David Shaner and Taylor Cotner spend this episode of Redacted screen-sharing everything they've built since the last one, and it centers on a framework David calls the AI-ification engine, an eight-stage method for turning any proven business process into something an AI agent can reliably run. He walks through the full pipeline, from process mapping through ongoing evaluation, and demos a new ClickUp documentation format the team built to keep every automation legible to both people and models.
Taylor takes the second half to show how he rebuilt Offline's business development system from the ground up, using a single extended Claude conversation to reconstruct years of relationship history from his email and texts, then turning it into a repeatable five-phase playbook that can research a brand-new target company from a cold start.
The conversation covers the practical side of running AI in production, too, why they dropped a synced database in favor of calling the HubSpot API directly with whitelisted fields, and an honest, unresolved discussion of how to evaluate dozens of different AI-run processes once they're all live.
Timestamps
00:00 Cold open
00:41 Welcome back to Redacted
01:53 Taylor's back from two weeks in Europe
02:15 The new "AI-ification engine" board in ClickUp
03:05 Offline's marketplace of auto-updating Claude skills
06:50 Origin story of the AI-ification engine
08:25 The 8 stages, back to back
11:30 The hiring analogy: "This is like HR for AI"
14:40 Inside the "house format" ClickUp table
16:00 Ditching the proxy database for direct HubSpot calls
18:05 Old-school SOPs vs. the new house format
20:10 Walking the company-as-lead process step by step
24:10 Why the old nested-SOP approach never got followed
29:30 Handoff: Taylor's turn
29:55 Offline's accountability chart and the visionary/integrator split
32:05 Digging up the original Claude chat that started it all
34:05 The first draft was terrible
36:50 Timeline artifact and Claude for Chrome doing the research
37:50 The five-phase business development playbook
40:00 Slotting the BD system into the AI-ification board
45:35 The hardest open question: evaluating 50 agent processes
47:00 Show notes, GitHub repo, and where to find David and Taylor
47:50 What Redacted looks for in a guest
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