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Today I'm joined by the
host of the hunting dog

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podcast, recurring guest
on mediator, passionate

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Upland game, hunter, dog
handler, and all around

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cool guy, Ron Boehme
Ron I'm really excited

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to be chatting with you
on this hunting dog.

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Silvercore swap cast.

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Cool, cool.

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Yeah, you wrote, and uh,
you said one key word

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to speak my interest.

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You're thinking about
getting the bird dog.

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I am thinking about
getting a bird dog.

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Yes.

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Why would you do
something so stupid?

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Honestly.

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So I've, I've had dogs
before previously.

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I had a border Collie and
smart as a whip, easy to

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train how to train, doing
everything I wanted.

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But, uh, but not as
a hunting dog, right.

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The kids had kids
come on the way.

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And we realized we
weren't giving the

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dog the attention
that it needed.

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And we have two kids that
needed our attention.

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And I didn't feel
that we're being

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fair to the dog.

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So, I mean, the kids
would say, or dogs

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living on a farm now.

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Well, it actually was,
we found that some

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farmers who had some
property who could take

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care of the dog and
give it the attention

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I needed, and I was
always of the mindset.

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I'm not going to get
myself another dog

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until we got a large
property and I want to

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get a couple because
they're pack animals.

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They want the.

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And recently out hunting.

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I came to the very
sudden realization.

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I am tired of retrieving
my own birds and I would

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love to have a dog.

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And this happened
after about, I don't

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know, three hours of
trying to find a bird

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that went down and
just couldn't find it.

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And finally had some
other hunters come by and

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they had dogs and they
were able to help out.

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So I said, time to
get a dog texted the

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wife, she's immediately
looking at all these

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different breeds.

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And that's, we're kind
of, we're kind of looking

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at Munster Landers, but
you probably have some

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ideas on those, right?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I, what I was going to
ask you, who was, you

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would not be, you are so
not alone in this world

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of how to pick a breed
because back in the day,

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if it was kind of always,
the guy met the guy that

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he was hunting with and
he got a dog from his

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friend and now the wife
and the kids always

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come into the court.

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And online and they
start reading breed

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descriptions, and
you could read, I got

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several books, I got an
encyclopedia over there,

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all the dog breeds.

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I've got that great book
that, uh, Craig Kaushik,

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a follow a fellow
Canadian friend of,

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uh, or fellow Canadian
of yours wrote a book.

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And it breaks down
every continental

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breed that points in
this particular bank.

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And it gives you kind
of an explanation and

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he tells you the pros
and cons, but you'll

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fall in love with every
dog you read on that,

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like lower in there.

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That's the thing.

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Yeah.

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So what I was getting
at is there's so many

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families to get involved
with picking a dog.

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And a minute you
said your wife on the

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inside, I'm going,
you got, you know,

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it's not just a dog.

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It's going to be
another kid of

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some, some fashion,
you know, agreed.

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But the upside I
tell everybody and

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I probably filter.

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Three or four
calls a day.

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And they ended up
getting to be long

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calls with people,
looking for first dog.

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And when I know someone's
got a that they haven't

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done it before, I
literally asked them

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two different questions.

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One of them is always,
are you married?

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And they're like, yes.

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Okay.

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Do you have kids?

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And they said,
yeah, how old?

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Uh, five and seven.

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Okay.

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You're not going to
have a problem if

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you raise that dog.

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And you've got kids that
you're, you know, 85%

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happy with, you'll be
able to raise a dog, but

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it's just like, you've
probably met somebody

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with that first kid
and they, they think

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they're, they don't
know what to do and

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everything's an emergency
and everything's this

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and everything's that,
um, the worry part

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of being a parent,
if you're not a worry

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ward, parent, you've
got a pretty good kid.

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You're I don't care if
the kid's three or 13.

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If you did a pretty good
job, you're going to do

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a good job with your dog,
whatever breed you get.

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So there's a, there's a
silver lining for still

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silver lining
for silver Corp.

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Yeah.

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Well, our kids are what,
14 and 12 right now.

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And, uh, I don't know.

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I think we're doing
a good job with them.

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I've got a good family
unit partying about

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getting this dog though.

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I said, look at,
everyone's gotta be

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on the same page.

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So we're buying
some books on

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training the dog.

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And what is one of them?

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The gentleman's
hunting dog, I think

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was a Mike Stewart.

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And there's a, another
book, a smaller one,

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a lot of really good
information that we're

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going through right now.

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But I said, I don't want
to train at one thing.

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And have you guys do
something different?

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We gotta be unified
in our approach.

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Yeah, well, that's,
that's going to

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be important.

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Um, so what, what kind
of birds up in your neck

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of the woods would you
be chasing forest grouse?

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Mostly.

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Are you in what part of.

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So we're, I'm in the
lower mainland area

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and I'm fortunate
enough where I live.

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I mean, we've got
some great waterfowl

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hunting, so we've got
great ducks and geese

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I in the area where I'm
at actually, they've

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got a club that'll
release pheasants, and

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so we could do some
pheasant hunting, uh,

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and then you don't
have to travel too far.

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And we've got a lot of,
uh, gross hunting and

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all my gross hunting in
the past has been okay.

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Let's let's walk the
roads and look out

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for the guard gross
and just try and keep,

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keep my eyes open.

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So having a dog
will be a completely

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different dynamic.

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It will be.

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And, you know, especially
like the breed, you're

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talking about the,
the monster Lander

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I've judged a lot of
them over the years.

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And one of the parts of
the versatile hunting

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dog test is, uh, a puppy
needs to track a live.

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So we disable this
pheasant from being

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able to fly with both
wings and we released

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it on the ground outside
of the dog and we

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basically shoot it away.

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Like, go, go, go.

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Right.

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Right.

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And in an ideal
situation, you're in

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maybe six inches of
cover, like a hayfield

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or something like
that, or a Stubblefield

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or something.

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And ideally that
bird runs into some

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other cover, like
a fence row or a

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Woodlawn or something.

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We set this up and I've
said this probably 50

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times on my podcast,
but I haven't said it

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to you or your listener.

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Um, as judges, we, we,
we cringe some time

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when we're like, oh,
is this a good spot?

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Are we giving the dog the
best we could give it?

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Like the covers kind
of sparse, it's kind

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of just mostly mud or
the covers too tall,

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or, you know, we all.

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We could judge the
field search of a

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dog because you're
watching a dog run.

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No problem, no big deal.

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Right.

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But the track is really
important because

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it's up to us to
set up a good track.

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We can, and this has
happened dozens of times.

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Let's say we get a
couple of other dogs that

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aren't, I'm not going to
say what breed, they're

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just not monster Landers.

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Sure.

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And the first couple,
just that dog just didn't

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inherit a lot of tracking
or it use kind of a wild

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search to track and the
dog can still get some

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qualifying points, you
know, as long as he's

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making forward progress.

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But as judges were
always like, oh, I

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knew we should've found
a different field.

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And then third dog up is
a small monster Lander

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and the person puts the
dog out on a track and it

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looks like a bloodhound
chasing a prisoner

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right through the swamp.

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You know, it just really
just now there's the

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exception to the rule,
but I mean, the exception

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is rare in the rural.

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Strong months.

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These have a hell of a
tracking instinct, a hell

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of a tracking instinct.

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You know, that's good to

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hear.

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That's good to hear.

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So that last bird you
looked for forever.

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Never.

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I don't think that's
going to happen.

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Well, amen.

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That's awesome.

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So I guess the next
question would be, so

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you get, you get this
as a pop and I think

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we're, where is it?

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We're looking at
somewhere in the states.

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There's a breeder out
there, so we'll have

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to fly in, grab it.

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And when it's a, uh,
a few months old, like

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what age do you do?

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You start their
training at

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well, trading kind
of starts the day.

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You get it home.

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You'll hear people say
that it really does

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because dogs learn
that they only can

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learn by association.

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So it's either they're G
they got seven inherited

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appointing dog has
seven inherited traits.

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Okay.

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Obedience and
understanding, and

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this language is
not one of them.

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There's desire.

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There's search there's
nos, there's tracking

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there's water,
cooperation, those things

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come in the package, but
the training starts just

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like with crate training.

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Um, you know, I don't
know with your border

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Collie, if you create
trained it for travel

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and for the ho home, or
did you let it become a

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bed puppy and deal with
a couple accidents in the

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house back in the day?

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No, no bed pups.

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I've.

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I was raised with having
dogs as an outside only

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dog, uh, our new dog
that we'll be bringing

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in, we'll have a crate
inside the house.

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And, um, yeah, I'm, I'm
sort of torn between the

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utility of a dog, as well
as the fact that you're

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saying, you know, the
kids and the wife and

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every, and it's becomes
part of your family.

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Right, right.

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So that crate is
like your, your pups.

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Hmm.

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So like when we have
kids, they sleep in

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the bassinet nearby,
so mom can feed them.

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And everyone's worried
about the new kid.

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I tell you, when you
bring home a new puppy,

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let's say let's hope it's
not before eight weeks of

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age, it should be okay.

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I think 10 or 12
is well-proven to

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be a better age
to pick them up.

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If it's a good
kennel, that's really

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developing their pups.

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And honestly that
keeps you from

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having less house
accidents at 12 weeks.

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And it doesn't, they just
have a more developed

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bladder and food system.

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But so when you bring
that dog home, you

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set that CR I tell
people, set that crate

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up by a door, closest
door to your yard.

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And when you put that
puppy in, when you don't

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have time to play with
the puppy, which would

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be outside, taking walks
a little bit of house

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with the kids, of course,
they're going to hold

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them and watch TV with
them and all that stuff.

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Sure.

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But when you don't
have time with

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the, for the pop.

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Put them in a crate
and he's going to haul

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a little bit and he's
probably going to haul

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all the first time you
shut the door and you

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go to bed, but what kid
didn't cry the first time

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you put them in his own
crib, in his own room.

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Right.

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And what mother didn't
tell their daughter,

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don't you go in there?

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Cause if you go in there

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once

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baby, that baby can only
learn by association.

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So you can't tell
the baby it's okay.

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I'll be back
in the morning.

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And when you wake up
at three, I'm going

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to nurse you, you
can't resort baby.

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You can't reason
with a puppy.

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So you put them in that
crate and you never

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let them out when he's
barking or crying.

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I mean, there's
exceptions.

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Like we've got to make
sure that he's already

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emptied his bladder, you
know, and maybe maybe

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made to the poop in the
backyard or whatever,

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or maybe he already
pooped on your carpet.

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Who knows?

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You don't want to
put them in there.

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Yeah.

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There's a chance
that he really has to

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go to the bathroom.

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Other than that, even
adult dogs can sleep

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20 some hours a day
when you're not doing

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nothing, you know
how regular house.

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And, uh, so you get
him used to that crate.

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And that just starts
that, that crate

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training, like, no, it's
not about me right now.

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It's about,
it's about now.

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It's quiet time.

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Now.

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My mom used to, she'd
been gone for a long

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time, but she gets,
she can it around now.

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My mom was, you know,
I was born in the

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fifties, so my mom would
go next door and have

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cigarettes and coffee
with the neighbor and

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plop me in a, in a plate.

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You know, back in the day
I had four foot square

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wooden playpens, right.

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She says you were
raised in a playpen

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for like two years.

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She goes, I didn't
do anything with you.

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Kids are easy.

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Kids are easy, you
know, give me a toy.

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And I was fighting
like a dog with a chew

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toy, but I, I keep
that with the dogs.

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Like when you don't
have the time, put it in

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the kennel is not going
to resent that once he

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gets used to the kennel.

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That's good to know.

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So, so when you ask, when
does this training start?

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That's part of it.

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The next training on
that is in the beginning,

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you, your kids, your
wife are going to open

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that crate door and he's
going to come running

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out like, ah, I'm here,
you know, and of course

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you've got to let
them out to the door.

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You always they'll
always relieve themselves

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after a nap, pretty
much most of the time.

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And, but after that's
developed a little

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bit, you take that door
and you kind of, when

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they come charge, not
you snap it in their

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face a little bit.

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And he's going
to keep banging.

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This is a dog.

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It's not a kid, so you're
not going to get child

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services after you.

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Right.

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And I always say, picture
yourself, trying to get

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out of, uh, uh let's.

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Have you ever used a
portajohn on a job site?

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Those doors unimportant.

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Johns can be
weird, right?

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They can swing back
and like you get your

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hand caught in a once.

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You're like, ah, no,
I know part of John

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Doerr needs to go all
the way out because

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it's spring loaded.

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And if I'm not all
the way out the door,

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it's going to come
back and hit me.

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And for some reason,
the porta John door's

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grocer, then, you know,
so the dog's gonna

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think the same thing.

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You, you, you, you
give him a note.

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Nope.

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You close that door.

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And then the minute
he kind of is like,

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should I come out or
should I not come out?

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You open that door a
little bit and you get

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a couple inches out
and then you say, okay,

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now he starts learning.

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Okay.

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Means.

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Right.

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Developed that over a
few, a few weeks, right?

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To the point where
when you go to let

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them out of that door,
you're going to go.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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And then you're going
to open that door.

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That door is going to
be open 180 degrees,

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and he's going to
be sitting in there.

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She, and he's going
to be like, say the

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word, say the word.

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Okay.

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You know, you're going
to go, okay, he's

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going to come up.

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Just like he did.

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When you first got
home, he let him

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out happy puppy.

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But he already learned
that he's got to

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wait a little bit.

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Right?

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So what that does is
it establishes you as

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making the rules for the
dog and that's where so

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many people go wrong.

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Just those little
things like that.

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When you go to the door,
once he's learned the

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kennel door, you do the
same thing at the house

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store you, as you go out
the door, you never let

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the dog take the lead.

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You say.

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You know, don't
worry about teaching

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the dog to sit.

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Uh, I, I won't ever go
into that pointing dog.

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Some people would never
train them to sit, sits,

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sits a default for a dog.

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If they don't know
what to do, they're

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going to sit.

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If you want to give it
a name, give it a name.

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But if you don't, I
guarantee if you keep

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opening a door and
your dog is trying to

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get out at some point,
it's going to go like

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this, I'll just set it.

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So they're going
to sit, right?

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So then you start
doing the house door

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and he sees that
house door goes open.

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You get one step out
under the threshold

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and then say, okay.

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And then he comes
out with you, but

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you take the lead.

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So, so that training
starts early on it.

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That's just associate
of training.

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How to be a good puppy
at home, you know?

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Yeah.

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That's it sit,
stay thing.

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I had a, with my
last dog, I was,

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I told them shit.

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And then I said,
stay in someone's.

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Why are you telling them
to say, like, if you

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told them to sit doesn't
that just mean sit.

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If he gets up two
seconds later, it's

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not sitting anymore.

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So do you teach state?

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Yeah, I will.

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I will enforce
the duration of

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the sit later on.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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But all I'm looking
for early on is just

00:17:42.555 --> 00:17:45.735
some compliance, just
that he understands,

00:17:45.735 --> 00:17:48.885
like I, and it gets it.

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We, it would take forever
to go through the whole

00:17:51.645 --> 00:17:56.445
process, but that early
teaching him to stop is

00:17:56.445 --> 00:17:58.005
going to help you later
because there's going to

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be times when you need
to make your teenage dog

00:18:00.375 --> 00:18:02.535
six months, 10 months,
year old, whatever you

00:18:02.535 --> 00:18:05.295
want to call a teenager
as a dog, you're going

00:18:05.295 --> 00:18:07.275
to, you're going to
be asking him to stop.

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Whether it's walking on
a leash and you got to

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stop at a sidewalk or
you're out in the field.

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If you end up getting
into some real bird,

00:18:16.455 --> 00:18:18.795
dog training down the
road later on, you're

00:18:18.795 --> 00:18:20.955
going to want to steady
this dog up to at least.

00:18:22.080 --> 00:18:25.980
The word woe means stop
when you're moving, but

00:18:25.980 --> 00:18:29.400
if he understands stop
and it comes from you

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or the word wall, so
most people use wall

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in the Burt and the
pointing dog world.

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Right.

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If you use the word
wall early, when you

00:18:37.350 --> 00:18:39.390
start training him
later, let's say with

00:18:39.390 --> 00:18:42.090
a little check court on
or a leash and you say,

00:18:42.330 --> 00:18:45.660
whoa, his brain goes
right back to the kennel

00:18:45.690 --> 00:18:46.440
in the house stories.

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Like, I think that
means I should stop.

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Right.

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So, yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's not
hard to do.

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It's just consistent.

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Yup.

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So I brought my border
Collie many years ago,

00:18:59.520 --> 00:19:02.460
brought them out to the
local shotgun range and

00:19:02.460 --> 00:19:04.770
we just kind of stayed in
the parking lot, who far

00:19:04.770 --> 00:19:05.970
away from the gunshots.

00:19:05.970 --> 00:19:08.160
And I figured I'd try
and slowly try and

00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:11.070
introduce my dog to
the sound of gunfire

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right now, a border.

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You're prime hunting
dog at all, but I found

00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:20.160
that every single time
I put a long gun up

00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:22.800
to my shoulder, my dog
would come right beside

00:19:22.800 --> 00:19:25.530
me, lean hard into
me and start shaking.

00:19:25.860 --> 00:19:28.950
So I probably did
something wrong in

00:19:28.950 --> 00:19:31.410
the introduction to
firearms with this

00:19:31.410 --> 00:19:32.280
dog at some point.

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And I definitely don't
want to repeat that with

00:19:35.340 --> 00:19:36.660
a dedicated hunting dog.

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How would you
introduce them?

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Well, there's, there's
several ways to do it.

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Um, probably the most one
you're going to hear the

00:19:45.570 --> 00:19:47.580
most you'll see on the
internet and on YouTube

00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:51.990
would be, um, get this
dog to chase like a

00:19:51.990 --> 00:19:55.230
pigeon or a, a pen raised
bird that you can kind

00:19:55.230 --> 00:19:56.040
of control the flight.

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Pigeons, you don't
control the flight of,

00:19:59.385 --> 00:20:01.365
but pigeons never land
back on the ground.

00:20:01.515 --> 00:20:04.695
So you take a, you get
a pigeon, you let it

00:20:04.695 --> 00:20:07.695
fly the dogs and mid
pursued he's he's.

00:20:07.785 --> 00:20:09.015
He thinks he's
going to catch it.

00:20:09.015 --> 00:20:11.145
He can't, but the
dog's running.

00:20:11.445 --> 00:20:13.605
And then in the
background back here,

00:20:14.085 --> 00:20:17.625
you do some light,
maybe blank gun, or if

00:20:17.625 --> 00:20:18.975
you don't have a blank
and you got to have

00:20:18.975 --> 00:20:22.515
a friend, another 50
yards behind with, let's

00:20:22.515 --> 00:20:27.225
say a four, 10 shotgun
or a 22 rifle, and he

00:20:27.225 --> 00:20:29.415
still keeps the barrel
pointed the opposite

00:20:29.415 --> 00:20:30.675
direction of the dog.

00:20:31.095 --> 00:20:33.135
But now this dog
is seeing a bird

00:20:33.345 --> 00:20:34.185
as it's running.

00:20:34.965 --> 00:20:40.365
And he's hearing a little
something in his head,

00:20:40.755 --> 00:20:43.545
but just in his eyes
because of his instincts

00:20:43.545 --> 00:20:46.005
where the border Collie
doesn't have that chase.

00:20:46.005 --> 00:20:47.565
The, I bet you, if
you'd have had a sh.

00:20:48.735 --> 00:20:51.435
And he was hurting
and you were shooting

00:20:51.435 --> 00:20:51.975
when he was young.

00:20:51.975 --> 00:20:53.445
He probably be
like, man, that's

00:20:53.445 --> 00:20:54.405
the sound of sheep.

00:20:55.935 --> 00:20:57.105
Yeah, you're
probably right.

00:20:57.585 --> 00:20:57.975
Right.

00:20:58.455 --> 00:21:01.065
Um, the, the thing
about gun clubs, I'm

00:21:01.065 --> 00:21:03.225
telling you, a lot of
people have done it.

00:21:04.545 --> 00:21:08.085
And I cannot tell those
people that didn't work

00:21:08.115 --> 00:21:09.195
because they did it.

00:21:09.705 --> 00:21:10.065
Right.

00:21:10.095 --> 00:21:13.035
But what they also have
is probably what I refer

00:21:13.035 --> 00:21:14.295
to as a Bulletproof dog.

00:21:15.735 --> 00:21:18.915
There's some dogs out
that are just so not

00:21:18.915 --> 00:21:22.725
going to be bothered
by noise, that it

00:21:22.725 --> 00:21:24.645
would be literally
you'd have to work at

00:21:24.645 --> 00:21:25.635
making them gun shy.

00:21:25.845 --> 00:21:26.145
Right.

00:21:26.565 --> 00:21:29.715
You almost have to
take a, take a starting

00:21:29.715 --> 00:21:31.515
pistol and wake them
up for breakfast

00:21:31.515 --> 00:21:32.235
with it in his ear.

00:21:32.235 --> 00:21:33.885
Like, Hey, boom,
Hey, wake up and eat.

00:21:35.385 --> 00:21:36.665
So there's some dogs.

00:21:36.715 --> 00:21:38.715
My first short
hair, I didn't do

00:21:38.745 --> 00:21:39.825
any gun training.

00:21:39.855 --> 00:21:43.215
I took her hunting, but
she was chasing a bird.

00:21:43.215 --> 00:21:43.995
I shot the bird.

00:21:43.995 --> 00:21:45.975
She associated the
noise with the bird.

00:21:46.125 --> 00:21:47.115
The noise was
always good for.

00:21:48.120 --> 00:21:51.419
Uh, when did you get
your, for short hair?

00:21:52.110 --> 00:21:52.500
Huh?

00:21:52.800 --> 00:21:53.909
How old were you
when he first got

00:21:53.909 --> 00:21:54.840
your, your first?

00:21:55.500 --> 00:21:58.830
Oh, I was thinking I
was, well, I was in

00:21:58.830 --> 00:22:00.870
my twenties when I got
one, but when I actually

00:22:01.050 --> 00:22:03.540
bought one, like with
the purpose that I

00:22:03.550 --> 00:22:07.409
was 30, 30, 2, 64.

00:22:07.409 --> 00:22:09.240
So it might, my first
purchase is what I

00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:12.870
call a bred dog was
probably 32 years ago.

00:22:12.870 --> 00:22:14.070
Something like that now.

00:22:14.250 --> 00:22:14.610
Okay.

00:22:15.030 --> 00:22:17.820
Have you noticed a change
in sort of training

00:22:17.820 --> 00:22:19.199
tactics over the years?

00:22:21.510 --> 00:22:22.949
Yeah, mostly because
in the beginning

00:22:22.949 --> 00:22:23.760
I didn't train it.

00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:28.050
You know, I literally
had one of the things

00:22:28.050 --> 00:22:31.290
I mentioned to you
about dogs are the

00:22:31.290 --> 00:22:32.490
natural cooperation.

00:22:32.490 --> 00:22:35.520
What that is
like, I'm guessing

00:22:35.520 --> 00:22:36.120
that your border.

00:22:37.230 --> 00:22:39.450
Was pretty good running
around all the time.

00:22:39.450 --> 00:22:39.659
Right?

00:22:39.659 --> 00:22:42.840
Didn't didn't run off and
leave you for 300 yards.

00:22:42.840 --> 00:22:43.590
He right.

00:22:44.040 --> 00:22:45.810
That's bred into
the border Collie.

00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:47.190
And that's one of the
reasons they're very

00:22:47.190 --> 00:22:49.560
intelligent is they're
very cooperative.

00:22:50.580 --> 00:22:53.970
So cooperation
is the teamwork.

00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:56.370
The you don't,
it's not trained.

00:22:56.970 --> 00:22:58.889
It's the teamwork that
the dog gives you.

00:22:59.730 --> 00:23:02.220
So that border Collie
probably had a good

00:23:02.220 --> 00:23:03.210
amount of cooperation.

00:23:03.210 --> 00:23:07.379
So my first dog had a
lot of cooperation and

00:23:07.530 --> 00:23:09.800
she literally, in her
genetics, her searched

00:23:09.800 --> 00:23:12.690
genetics were inherited
from generations of

00:23:12.690 --> 00:23:13.399
good hunting dogs.

00:23:13.399 --> 00:23:16.320
So she searched at a
pattern that something

00:23:16.320 --> 00:23:18.600
in her brain said,
that's about right.

00:23:18.629 --> 00:23:20.010
I'll turn,
I'll come back.

00:23:20.220 --> 00:23:22.169
Well, that's about,
you know, so I got

00:23:22.169 --> 00:23:25.350
very lucky and then I
bought a next dog which

00:23:25.350 --> 00:23:26.820
had zero cooperation.

00:23:27.389 --> 00:23:30.090
So, so somewhere in
my mid thirties, I

00:23:30.090 --> 00:23:32.190
said, I'm gonna have to
learn how to train the

00:23:32.190 --> 00:23:33.960
dog because this dog.

00:23:34.740 --> 00:23:35.190
I don't.

00:23:35.190 --> 00:23:36.660
I think I took a
trip to Canada.

00:23:36.660 --> 00:23:39.930
One time to go a sharp
tail hunting, and I never

00:23:39.930 --> 00:23:41.760
shot a dog bird over
the other people did,

00:23:41.760 --> 00:23:43.800
but I never shot a dog,
a bird over my own dog.

00:23:43.910 --> 00:23:47.670
He just doing his
thing all day long.

00:23:49.110 --> 00:23:50.760
Some somebody would
see him on point.

00:23:50.760 --> 00:23:53.190
He goes, Hey, Ron,
Hasko's over here.

00:23:53.190 --> 00:23:53.670
I'm pointing.

00:23:53.680 --> 00:23:55.260
I'm like, God,
shoot the bird farm.

00:23:55.800 --> 00:23:56.280
I don't care.

00:23:59.490 --> 00:24:00.420
Oh yeah.

00:24:01.410 --> 00:24:03.780
Well what about the
whole male female thing?

00:24:03.840 --> 00:24:06.570
Is there any, is an
old wives tale people

00:24:06.570 --> 00:24:08.640
saying you got to get a
female hunting dog or is

00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:09.570
there any truth to that?

00:24:10.350 --> 00:24:11.310
I don't think so.

00:24:11.340 --> 00:24:14.520
I think one of the
reasons if people are

00:24:14.520 --> 00:24:17.490
pro male, it's probably
because a lot of the

00:24:17.490 --> 00:24:19.800
champions out there back
in the day were male.

00:24:20.100 --> 00:24:23.130
And the reason that
is is because they

00:24:23.130 --> 00:24:23.880
never go into a heat.

00:24:24.795 --> 00:24:25.095
Right.

00:24:25.215 --> 00:24:28.485
So you've got that when
it comes to competition,

00:24:28.485 --> 00:24:30.735
you've got that when
it comes to everyday

00:24:30.764 --> 00:24:32.205
hunting, you could
get a heat cycle.

00:24:32.205 --> 00:24:34.305
I just had one come up in
North Dakota with a dog.

00:24:34.725 --> 00:24:36.465
So I couldn't get
her out with my mail.

00:24:36.764 --> 00:24:38.264
And if another dog
would have, you know,

00:24:38.264 --> 00:24:41.024
it would have been a
real, real catastrophe.

00:24:41.055 --> 00:24:45.735
So, um, so some people
will say one Hunt's

00:24:45.735 --> 00:24:46.635
better than the other.

00:24:47.235 --> 00:24:52.065
And some dogs I've been
told this, some females

00:24:52.665 --> 00:24:54.945
like guys better, some
females like the mom

00:24:54.945 --> 00:24:56.925
better, but that could
also be some early

00:24:56.925 --> 00:24:58.575
imprinting of this stuff.

00:24:58.575 --> 00:25:01.335
We talk about, you know,
they just they're like,

00:25:01.365 --> 00:25:02.415
oh, there's my boss.

00:25:03.254 --> 00:25:05.205
And they know
the difference.

00:25:05.205 --> 00:25:07.395
So there's, I bet you
there's just so many

00:25:07.395 --> 00:25:09.435
great stories about
female hunting dogs as

00:25:09.435 --> 00:25:10.995
there is male hunting
dogs and you could

00:25:10.995 --> 00:25:14.445
find it would be, uh,
it would be as divided

00:25:14.445 --> 00:25:16.965
as the United States
is politically, right?

00:25:18.045 --> 00:25:18.495
Yeah.

00:25:18.585 --> 00:25:19.215
I hear ya.

00:25:19.305 --> 00:25:19.935
I hear ya.

00:25:21.225 --> 00:25:22.965
Well, you just came back
from a hunting trip.

00:25:25.155 --> 00:25:26.655
While we're chatting
last year driving.

00:25:27.135 --> 00:25:27.675
Yeah.

00:25:27.794 --> 00:25:30.524
Um, I went to
Northwest North Dakota.

00:25:31.245 --> 00:25:34.185
In fact, we went up
so far Northwest that

00:25:34.215 --> 00:25:35.925
one of my friend's
phones, the text said

00:25:35.925 --> 00:25:36.794
welcome to Canada.

00:25:37.445 --> 00:25:40.274
I never, it didn't come
up on my phone, but he

00:25:40.274 --> 00:25:41.715
said, yeah, I'm getting
some texts alert.

00:25:41.715 --> 00:25:43.605
Like, you know, something
probably from the

00:25:43.605 --> 00:25:46.004
border, like some like
welcome to Canada,

00:25:46.034 --> 00:25:46.725
make sure you stay.

00:25:47.024 --> 00:25:48.885
He's like, we're getting
texts from Canada here.

00:25:48.885 --> 00:25:50.985
So I didn't get
that on my phone.

00:25:51.014 --> 00:25:53.175
But, um, so we were
up there, we did

00:25:53.175 --> 00:25:54.885
some pheasant hunting
fire up there.

00:25:55.094 --> 00:25:56.955
We were chasing
sharp tail grouse.

00:25:57.495 --> 00:25:59.564
Uh, looking
for Hungarian.

00:25:59.564 --> 00:26:01.365
Partridges only
found one Covey.

00:26:01.754 --> 00:26:04.185
And we did a fair amount
of duck hunting, which

00:26:04.185 --> 00:26:07.844
is probably our bigger
success in, but this trip

00:26:07.844 --> 00:26:10.844
was all just a trip with
my best friend since we

00:26:10.844 --> 00:26:13.574
were in diapers and my
neighbor and his boy.

00:26:13.784 --> 00:26:15.284
And it was like
no pressure.

00:26:15.284 --> 00:26:17.985
There was no expectations
on this trip and it

00:26:17.985 --> 00:26:19.875
went down in history
of my trips as well.

00:26:20.955 --> 00:26:23.055
Yeah, top five trips
I've ever taken.

00:26:23.055 --> 00:26:24.375
So yeah.

00:26:26.205 --> 00:26:26.505
Yeah.

00:26:26.535 --> 00:26:29.325
You know, once you
leave those expectations

00:26:29.355 --> 00:26:31.335
behind, if the
expectation I find

00:26:31.335 --> 00:26:33.795
for me personally, if
the expectation is the

00:26:33.795 --> 00:26:36.195
outcome, like what,
how many animals are

00:26:36.195 --> 00:26:37.755
we going to harvest
or are we going to

00:26:37.755 --> 00:26:38.715
be successful or not?

00:26:40.035 --> 00:26:43.545
None of those trips
ever rank high with me,

00:26:43.545 --> 00:26:45.135
if the expectation is,
man, we're just going

00:26:45.135 --> 00:26:46.005
to have a good time.

00:26:46.185 --> 00:26:47.835
Inevitably we do.

00:26:47.925 --> 00:26:50.325
And if we end up
harvesting something,

00:26:50.325 --> 00:26:52.845
that's just icing on
the cake and yeah.

00:26:53.175 --> 00:26:54.975
And, and that's, I don't
know, that's one of

00:26:54.975 --> 00:26:57.735
the things like in the
silver Corp podcast,

00:26:57.765 --> 00:27:01.035
I try and speak with,
uh, find the people who

00:27:01.035 --> 00:27:05.025
are inspirational and
sort of groundbreaking

00:27:05.055 --> 00:27:06.855
in their territory,
who are passionate

00:27:06.855 --> 00:27:07.605
about what they do.

00:27:07.605 --> 00:27:10.665
And I try my best, a
learn from them and B

00:27:10.665 --> 00:27:13.245
share that passion with
others and more and more

00:27:13.245 --> 00:27:16.185
I'm finding that the most
passionate and the people

00:27:16.185 --> 00:27:17.885
who are having the most
fun are the ones who.

00:27:18.600 --> 00:27:20.850
Just truly enjoying
the process.

00:27:21.210 --> 00:27:24.810
And like, when I look
at you, I watch you.

00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:27.330
So you've been on a few
episodes of mediator

00:27:27.330 --> 00:27:31.320
there and you're showing
Steve how you're making

00:27:31.760 --> 00:27:32.970
your own lead shot.

00:27:32.970 --> 00:27:35.730
And you got some
nice shot guns

00:27:35.730 --> 00:27:36.480
that you're using.

00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:38.340
They're not always the
latest greenest fanciest

00:27:38.340 --> 00:27:40.350
thing, but they got
some character to them.

00:27:40.379 --> 00:27:42.870
I mean, that's one thing
that I've really taken

00:27:42.870 --> 00:27:46.490
away from your podcast
from watching you is

00:27:46.500 --> 00:27:49.320
that you are the type of
person that truly knows

00:27:49.320 --> 00:27:51.360
how to enjoy the process.

00:27:51.810 --> 00:27:51.960
I

00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:54.030
know I'm just about to
open a beer right now.

00:27:54.330 --> 00:27:54.540
Good

00:27:54.540 --> 00:27:55.230
for you.

00:27:55.290 --> 00:27:55.800
Good for you.

00:27:55.800 --> 00:27:56.370
And that was this.

00:27:56.760 --> 00:27:57.060
Yeah.

00:27:57.750 --> 00:28:00.060
When, uh, when
you said meet her.

00:28:00.060 --> 00:28:03.149
Yeah, I was fortunate
enough to be, uh, Steve

00:28:03.149 --> 00:28:05.669
was one of my Stephen,
his brothers, but Steve

00:28:05.669 --> 00:28:08.280
specifically, and his
brother, Danny, where

00:28:08.280 --> 00:28:10.080
some of my earliest
employees, he just

00:28:10.080 --> 00:28:11.850
got out of high school
here where he lived

00:28:11.850 --> 00:28:14.490
and I ran into his mom
and she said, my sons

00:28:14.490 --> 00:28:15.290
are looking for work.

00:28:15.310 --> 00:28:16.139
I'm like, I'm
looking for.

00:28:17.145 --> 00:28:18.105
So that's how we met.

00:28:18.165 --> 00:28:21.975
And so I was fortunate
enough to get asked when

00:28:21.975 --> 00:28:24.735
his production budget
was much smaller way back

00:28:24.735 --> 00:28:27.615
in the day, he'd say,
Hey, can you come out

00:28:27.615 --> 00:28:29.504
to, you know, here and
here and do an episode.

00:28:29.504 --> 00:28:31.395
So, you know, he pay
for my gas or whatever,

00:28:31.395 --> 00:28:34.845
you know, but, so yeah,
I was lucky enough

00:28:34.845 --> 00:28:36.105
to do that with him.

00:28:36.645 --> 00:28:39.135
And, and that, that
was, uh, that's actually

00:28:39.135 --> 00:28:42.645
the start of my podcast
because Joe Rogan talked

00:28:42.645 --> 00:28:45.284
him into doing one in
our, one of our hunting

00:28:45.284 --> 00:28:47.955
trips in Texas, that
we filmed, he brought

00:28:47.955 --> 00:28:50.564
out podcast equipment
and I thought you

00:28:50.564 --> 00:28:52.575
needed a studio, right.

00:28:53.064 --> 00:28:55.004
I've listened to
podcasts for about four

00:28:55.004 --> 00:28:55.935
years at this point.

00:28:55.935 --> 00:28:59.835
And I thought, I'm not
going to find a studio.

00:28:59.835 --> 00:29:02.564
And you know, I'm not
good morning, five

00:29:02.564 --> 00:29:04.945
minutes after 7, 7
0 5 work, you know?

00:29:06.705 --> 00:29:07.995
And then when I saw
we could sit down at

00:29:07.995 --> 00:29:11.085
the kitchen table and
drink beer, Mike, I'm

00:29:11.085 --> 00:29:13.875
doing a podcast as soon
as I get home sold.

00:29:14.385 --> 00:29:17.385
So what was your podcast
background, Travis?

00:29:17.385 --> 00:29:19.905
I mean, because it's,
it's a lot similar,

00:29:19.905 --> 00:29:22.395
but, but like what
made you start it?

00:29:22.845 --> 00:29:23.475
What made you say?

00:29:24.525 --> 00:29:26.745
So I've I started, I've
got a training company,

00:29:26.745 --> 00:29:29.115
silver core training,
and we do among other

00:29:29.115 --> 00:29:31.695
things, firearms training
and hunter education and

00:29:31.695 --> 00:29:36.135
outdoor safety printing
and Canadian based.

00:29:37.035 --> 00:29:40.245
And it's something that
I love, but I've also

00:29:40.245 --> 00:29:42.735
got a desire to always
create and build things.

00:29:42.975 --> 00:29:45.885
And I don't know
if it's the ADHD in

00:29:45.885 --> 00:29:47.265
me or what it is.

00:29:47.970 --> 00:29:50.610
But I'm always looking at
other things that I can

00:29:50.610 --> 00:29:53.280
do to kind of occupy my
mind and occupy my time.

00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:56.220
And there was a
growing trend that I

00:29:56.220 --> 00:30:00.000
found myself sort of,
uh, being surrounded

00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:01.080
by in my industry.

00:30:01.080 --> 00:30:02.250
And I don't know if
it's the same in the

00:30:02.250 --> 00:30:03.900
states, but in Canada.

00:30:04.470 --> 00:30:06.960
I mean, like there,
there is a social stigma

00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:08.400
surrounding firearms.

00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:11.100
There's a social stigma
that surrounds hunting

00:30:11.730 --> 00:30:15.570
and there's a lot of
negativity as well.

00:30:15.630 --> 00:30:18.840
And if, and I, and I
found that I was seeing

00:30:18.840 --> 00:30:21.630
a lot of that negativity,
but in the same breath,

00:30:21.630 --> 00:30:23.220
there's a lot of
positivity and there's

00:30:23.220 --> 00:30:25.950
a lot of great stories
and it's, I dunno if it's

00:30:25.980 --> 00:30:28.710
equal on both sides, but
I thought, well, I want

00:30:28.710 --> 00:30:32.430
to be able to change my
vantage point to be able

00:30:32.430 --> 00:30:36.240
to see the positivity,
really that positivity.

00:30:36.270 --> 00:30:38.310
And so I started the
silver Corp podcast and

00:30:38.310 --> 00:30:40.590
we're like, we're in
the hunting or I don't

00:30:40.590 --> 00:30:41.940
think they have a hunting
category we're in the

00:30:41.940 --> 00:30:42.840
wilderness section.

00:30:43.290 --> 00:30:43.620
What's that.

00:30:47.070 --> 00:30:47.460
Yeah.

00:30:47.760 --> 00:30:50.190
So we're in that outdoor
section on the, um,

00:30:50.910 --> 00:30:53.790
on the, uh, the iTunes
chart, but we talk about

00:30:53.790 --> 00:30:54.840
everything under the sun.

00:30:54.870 --> 00:30:57.930
Usually it starts with
hunting or firearms, but

00:30:57.930 --> 00:31:00.480
like we've had, uh, uh,
last one, we just let

00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.600
it was with a British
special forces commando.

00:31:03.600 --> 00:31:05.780
And he's talking about
a selection process and,

00:31:05.780 --> 00:31:08.130
and the rest I had the
inventor of the invisible

00:31:08.130 --> 00:31:10.470
cloak on the podcast.

00:31:10.470 --> 00:31:11.580
I don't know if you've
heard of this guy.

00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:13.170
He is so smart.

00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:17.010
And I thought, well, this
is kind of camouflage

00:31:17.010 --> 00:31:17.670
related, right?

00:31:17.670 --> 00:31:20.160
This has got something to
do with, uh, are you talk

00:31:20.170 --> 00:31:21.240
about the Harry Potter?

00:31:22.334 --> 00:31:24.284
Kind of like that,
what this guy did.

00:31:24.465 --> 00:31:24.615
Okay.

00:31:24.615 --> 00:31:25.754
It's going to
sound really fancy.

00:31:26.235 --> 00:31:29.685
He took a, an array of
lenticular lenses with

00:31:29.715 --> 00:31:33.195
a, uh, special viscous
compound in between them

00:31:33.735 --> 00:31:37.304
to refract light in such
a way that the person

00:31:37.304 --> 00:31:40.365
behind it is not seen,
but what's in behind

00:31:40.365 --> 00:31:41.564
that person is seen.

00:31:42.104 --> 00:31:43.965
And I wouldn't believe
it if I didn't see it.

00:31:44.504 --> 00:31:47.205
So he brings us in,
he brings it into the,

00:31:47.205 --> 00:31:48.945
uh, into the studio
that we have here.

00:31:49.485 --> 00:31:50.804
His name is guy Kramer.

00:31:50.834 --> 00:31:54.044
His grandfather invented
the walkie talkie during,

00:31:54.044 --> 00:31:55.064
uh, during the war.

00:31:55.064 --> 00:31:57.854
And so lineage of
really smart dudes.

00:31:58.635 --> 00:32:01.064
And it's funny because
we're having this podcast

00:32:01.064 --> 00:32:02.834
and he keeps looking
at his watch, right.

00:32:02.834 --> 00:32:04.425
And this is one of
my earlier podcasts.

00:32:04.425 --> 00:32:05.955
I'm like, oh man, I
must be boring him.

00:32:05.955 --> 00:32:06.225
Right.

00:32:06.615 --> 00:32:07.965
And he keeps looking
at his watch and I'm

00:32:07.965 --> 00:32:09.794
like, finally I said,
look it, if he gotta

00:32:09.794 --> 00:32:12.074
be somewhere I'm don't
don't let me hold you up.

00:32:12.104 --> 00:32:13.425
He's like, no, no,
I'm really sorry.

00:32:13.425 --> 00:32:16.004
This is, um, uh,
I'm getting my

00:32:16.034 --> 00:32:17.304
email notifications
come through.

00:32:18.270 --> 00:32:19.860
Uh, that was Fox news.

00:32:20.010 --> 00:32:21.690
The other one was,
I don't know, CNN

00:32:21.690 --> 00:32:22.560
or something else.

00:32:22.590 --> 00:32:26.700
Cause he just, uh,
release the trademark

00:32:26.910 --> 00:32:29.670
and patent on is this
invisible cloak thing.

00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:31.260
And you know what it is.

00:32:31.860 --> 00:32:33.480
Have you ever taken
a, uh, you know, the

00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:35.250
stickers that you can
look at, but you can

00:32:35.250 --> 00:32:37.770
tilt it and it changes
the, uh, whatever you

00:32:37.770 --> 00:32:38.640
see on the sticker.

00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:40.260
And it's like, as
kids would play

00:32:40.260 --> 00:32:43.020
with them, those are
lenticular lenses.

00:32:43.230 --> 00:32:45.450
And he basically took a
couple of those things

00:32:45.450 --> 00:32:48.360
and he put an oil between
it and you can go online

00:32:48.360 --> 00:32:51.030
and you can see all the,
um, the videos of people.

00:32:51.030 --> 00:32:52.950
Who've tried to
copy it anyways.

00:32:53.280 --> 00:32:54.300
Positive fellow.

00:32:54.930 --> 00:32:56.850
Is that related to
hunting and firearms?

00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:59.130
No, but he's a pretty
cool story or, I mean

00:32:59.130 --> 00:33:01.440
like Colin Deller, he
was attacked by a grizzly

00:33:01.440 --> 00:33:03.300
bear and fought it off
of this pocket knife.

00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:05.520
I mean, that's not
really, that's not

00:33:05.520 --> 00:33:08.220
really hunting, but
Hey, but it's a story.

00:33:08.250 --> 00:33:08.810
Yeah.

00:33:09.990 --> 00:33:10.800
That's how I started.

00:33:12.990 --> 00:33:14.550
I just was in
North Dakota.

00:33:15.495 --> 00:33:17.685
We didn't really bring
layout blinds or anything

00:33:17.685 --> 00:33:18.405
for duck hunting.

00:33:18.405 --> 00:33:20.205
We just thought we'd
hide in cattails.

00:33:20.564 --> 00:33:22.784
And some of the ponds
did not have cat tails

00:33:22.784 --> 00:33:25.425
and we would just kind
of sit, it doesn't work

00:33:25.425 --> 00:33:28.965
real good for a duck,
you know, an invisible

00:33:28.965 --> 00:33:31.905
cloak that you could just
reflect, whatever else

00:33:31.905 --> 00:33:35.564
is around you on that.

00:33:35.804 --> 00:33:37.665
I bet you, we're going to
see that at Sportsman's

00:33:37.665 --> 00:33:38.564
warehouse someday.

00:33:39.044 --> 00:33:39.284
I

00:33:39.284 --> 00:33:39.975
think you will.

00:33:40.004 --> 00:33:40.604
I think you will.

00:33:40.635 --> 00:33:42.615
He tried to sell it
to the military and he

00:33:42.615 --> 00:33:44.504
says, this shouldn't
be in civilian hands.

00:33:44.504 --> 00:33:46.995
And he went around and,
uh, he did the circuit,

00:33:46.995 --> 00:33:48.675
but nobody really
picked them up on it.

00:33:49.064 --> 00:33:50.715
And if you look at
the videos that he has

00:33:50.715 --> 00:33:52.875
online, I mean, it's
amazing what it does,

00:33:53.145 --> 00:33:54.794
but it's also got a
different application.

00:33:54.794 --> 00:33:56.865
You can put it over top
of solar panels and it,

00:33:56.985 --> 00:33:58.725
I don't know, I don't
know the exact number,

00:33:58.725 --> 00:34:01.514
but like 10 times or
20 times the amount of

00:34:01.544 --> 00:34:03.725
light will come through
onto your solar panels.

00:34:03.725 --> 00:34:05.415
So anyways,

00:34:05.925 --> 00:34:07.185
I got to ask,
what was it like?

00:34:07.185 --> 00:34:09.585
So if he was in your
studio and he pulled

00:34:09.585 --> 00:34:11.955
this over him, would
you just be kind of

00:34:11.955 --> 00:34:13.844
seeing a broke up
version of your studio?

00:34:14.699 --> 00:34:15.029
Like

00:34:15.060 --> 00:34:17.250
kind kind of, I actually,
I took a picture and it

00:34:17.250 --> 00:34:19.949
wasn't the best picture
of him and I, and we're

00:34:19.949 --> 00:34:22.949
holding this thing in
front of us and you

00:34:22.949 --> 00:34:25.320
can see the, sort of
the, the frame of the

00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:26.580
picture and behind us.

00:34:26.580 --> 00:34:28.770
And, but we kind
of disappear.

00:34:29.070 --> 00:34:30.900
I mean, if you go on
his website, you can see

00:34:30.900 --> 00:34:31.889
all the videos in there.

00:34:31.900 --> 00:34:32.730
They're optimal.

00:34:32.730 --> 00:34:34.799
I mean, the things just
disappear behind it,

00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:37.739
but I guess that's a
bit of a tangent, but

00:34:37.739 --> 00:34:39.719
yeah, essentially the
silver Corp podcast,

00:34:40.020 --> 00:34:41.130
I don't monetize it.

00:34:41.250 --> 00:34:42.710
I mean, I'm sure
there's, there's

00:34:42.810 --> 00:34:44.790
ancillary benefits
to having the silver

00:34:44.790 --> 00:34:46.739
coordinator out there,
but I do it because

00:34:46.889 --> 00:34:49.170
I love talking with
people like yourself.

00:34:49.469 --> 00:34:52.770
I love learning things
and I want to surround

00:34:52.770 --> 00:34:55.230
myself and others with
the positive things

00:34:55.230 --> 00:34:56.580
that are in both of our

00:34:56.580 --> 00:34:57.029
realms.

00:34:57.150 --> 00:34:57.240
Yeah.

00:34:57.270 --> 00:34:57.480
Yeah.

00:34:58.009 --> 00:35:01.799
I'm sure you get those
emails that like, yep.

00:35:01.830 --> 00:35:03.180
That's why I'm
doing the podcast.

00:35:03.180 --> 00:35:03.360
Right.

00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:06.540
Somebody will write
you from a guest and

00:35:06.540 --> 00:35:07.740
you really feel like.

00:35:08.430 --> 00:35:10.560
You know, philanthropic
to one word that's

00:35:10.560 --> 00:35:12.990
like for money, you
really feel like, wow,

00:35:12.990 --> 00:35:15.180
this guy would not
have wrote me an email

00:35:15.569 --> 00:35:16.500
if he didn't mean it.

00:35:17.100 --> 00:35:19.920
And it's almost sometimes
a little gushy, you know,

00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:23.399
you're like, wow, I can't
believe I got you to get

00:35:23.399 --> 00:35:25.680
back into the hunting
world and got you to buy

00:35:25.680 --> 00:35:28.980
a dog or got you to like,
in your case, like yeah.

00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:30.420
You know, I used to
shoot and I'm going to

00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:32.279
shoot again or so yeah.

00:35:32.310 --> 00:35:33.720
Sometimes that's
all you need for

00:35:33.720 --> 00:35:34.680
payment, you know?

00:35:34.859 --> 00:35:36.839
And, uh, that's,
it's fun.

00:35:37.140 --> 00:35:37.290
It

00:35:37.290 --> 00:35:37.560
is.

00:35:38.220 --> 00:35:38.490
Yeah.

00:35:38.490 --> 00:35:38.940
It is fun.

00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:40.830
And, and really, I
don't know, at the end

00:35:40.830 --> 00:35:42.390
of the day, everyone's
got to make a living.

00:35:42.420 --> 00:35:45.990
Everyone's got to do
something to retire and

00:35:45.990 --> 00:35:48.390
have the nice things that
you want to have, but

00:35:48.420 --> 00:35:51.029
the real positive change
that you can affect in

00:35:51.029 --> 00:35:54.270
the community typically,
isn't, it, it, isn't

00:35:54.270 --> 00:35:56.819
something that comes
from directly from your

00:35:56.819 --> 00:35:58.240
job and it's something.

00:35:59.100 --> 00:36:01.710
As a by-product of your
passion, your endeavor

00:36:01.710 --> 00:36:03.840
will probably end up
generating revenue.

00:36:03.990 --> 00:36:06.330
But if you, if you look
at it from a revenue

00:36:06.330 --> 00:36:09.780
standpoint, I think
that's, it's a dead end.

00:36:10.590 --> 00:36:10.920
Yeah.

00:36:11.009 --> 00:36:13.950
I mean, I mean, you
you've what, 2012, I

00:36:13.950 --> 00:36:15.660
think it was when you
started your podcast.

00:36:16.110 --> 00:36:16.560
No,

00:36:16.560 --> 00:36:18.240
no, it was 2015.

00:36:18.240 --> 00:36:21.540
I'm going to be in
my, uh, I I've, I've

00:36:21.540 --> 00:36:23.070
done it for almost
seven years now.

00:36:23.070 --> 00:36:24.420
So next year will
be my eighth year

00:36:24.420 --> 00:36:25.110
starting my eighth

00:36:25.110 --> 00:36:25.380
year.

00:36:26.100 --> 00:36:27.690
Did you find it hard
to start or will

00:36:27.690 --> 00:36:29.370
you just imagine,
like you are now?

00:36:30.030 --> 00:36:35.370
Well, I found it like,
I want to do it and

00:36:35.370 --> 00:36:37.740
like, who's going to
be my first guest.

00:36:38.150 --> 00:36:38.670
Right.

00:36:39.910 --> 00:36:41.700
Got my oldest hunting
buddy to come over here

00:36:41.700 --> 00:36:42.750
and drink beer with me.

00:36:43.230 --> 00:36:44.850
And we just started
rehashing a trip

00:36:44.850 --> 00:36:45.720
to South Dakota.

00:36:46.170 --> 00:36:47.460
I'm like, I guess
that's what it is.

00:36:47.460 --> 00:36:49.770
But you mentioned
something about

00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:52.800
me and like making
my own shells and.

00:36:53.940 --> 00:36:55.170
I don't want to
say I'm not calling

00:36:55.170 --> 00:36:57.480
myself genuine,
but I never change.

00:36:57.570 --> 00:36:58.620
You can ask my wife.

00:36:58.620 --> 00:36:59.430
I never changed.

00:37:00.210 --> 00:37:00.480
I'm sure.

00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:01.050
She'll agree.

00:37:01.680 --> 00:37:04.890
Just like drinking a
beer or smoking a cigar.

00:37:05.940 --> 00:37:08.490
I'm like, no, I'm not
going to not do that

00:37:08.520 --> 00:37:09.810
because that's what I do.

00:37:10.140 --> 00:37:12.060
And that just
resonates with people.

00:37:12.330 --> 00:37:14.910
Like, I mean, I say
sarcastically, I'm trying

00:37:14.910 --> 00:37:16.020
to bring smoking back.

00:37:16.560 --> 00:37:19.170
I think he had a better,
but that's because

00:37:19.560 --> 00:37:21.510
when everybody smoked,
it was just a better

00:37:21.510 --> 00:37:22.380
country back then.

00:37:22.410 --> 00:37:24.000
So maybe it was
the country.

00:37:25.420 --> 00:37:27.540
Cigars did not have
anything to do with it,

00:37:28.110 --> 00:37:31.350
but maybe we've banned
this so bad that some

00:37:31.350 --> 00:37:34.260
people that might be cool
or like, God, if I could

00:37:34.260 --> 00:37:35.730
just have a cigarette,
that'd be great.

00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:39.030
You know, I
hate censorship.

00:37:39.090 --> 00:37:41.910
You know, I agree again.

00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:43.530
I know if you're
sitting in a restaurant,

00:37:43.560 --> 00:37:46.080
nobody wants to smell
a cigarette coming

00:37:46.080 --> 00:37:47.160
off the Ash tray.

00:37:48.090 --> 00:37:50.790
But when I grew up, you
S you smoked on planes.

00:37:51.600 --> 00:37:51.750
Yeah.

00:37:52.545 --> 00:37:54.375
Smoked in the
last five rows.

00:37:54.405 --> 00:37:57.615
Now at that age, I don't
think I was smoking.

00:37:58.545 --> 00:38:00.105
It didn't seem to bother
me, but that's cause my

00:38:00.105 --> 00:38:02.355
mom blew cigarette smoke
into my baby blanket.

00:38:02.355 --> 00:38:04.455
So I mean, it obviously
didn't bother me.

00:38:05.025 --> 00:38:05.535
Remind your

00:38:05.535 --> 00:38:08.385
mom might as a new
mom, but so yeah.

00:38:08.415 --> 00:38:11.355
Be it and being real,
like, like you said,

00:38:12.645 --> 00:38:14.835
you're, you're just so
passionate about what

00:38:14.835 --> 00:38:16.695
you do that you want.

00:38:17.265 --> 00:38:19.005
You're not trying
to convert people.

00:38:19.365 --> 00:38:20.865
You're just trying
to celebrate the

00:38:20.895 --> 00:38:22.635
passion kinda right.

00:38:23.025 --> 00:38:23.385
Yeah.

00:38:24.125 --> 00:38:26.175
By default you end up
surrounding yourself

00:38:26.175 --> 00:38:28.395
with more like-minded
people who have that same

00:38:28.395 --> 00:38:29.475
passion and same drive.

00:38:30.045 --> 00:38:30.375
Yeah.

00:38:30.675 --> 00:38:32.835
Like I think most
podcasters, if they, I

00:38:32.835 --> 00:38:34.455
don't know if they did a
murder mystery or what.

00:38:35.370 --> 00:38:37.710
It's kind of like, we
all served a little

00:38:37.710 --> 00:38:39.480
term together, figuring
out how to do it.

00:38:39.509 --> 00:38:41.400
You know, that
first, that first

00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:43.830
episode, when are we
going to next week?

00:38:44.160 --> 00:38:46.740
How did you pick a first
guest for, for, uh, for

00:38:46.740 --> 00:38:47.910
yours, for silver Corp?

00:38:48.120 --> 00:38:48.779
Just like you.

00:38:48.779 --> 00:38:51.930
I had a couple of
friends and so when both

00:38:51.930 --> 00:38:54.240
of them are retired,
Vancouver city police,

00:38:54.240 --> 00:38:57.029
and, and from the
training background, I

00:38:57.029 --> 00:38:59.759
look at it and I said,
well, I figure every

00:38:59.759 --> 00:39:01.589
single episode I put
out should have some

00:39:01.589 --> 00:39:02.940
educational components.

00:39:02.970 --> 00:39:05.549
Like if I'm asking for
somebody's time to listen

00:39:05.879 --> 00:39:08.730
to me for X amount of
time, what value am

00:39:08.730 --> 00:39:09.720
I imparting to them?

00:39:09.720 --> 00:39:12.960
And so I figured, well,
it's got to have some

00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:14.549
training components.

00:39:14.549 --> 00:39:16.109
And so I'd kind of draft
out all the different

00:39:16.109 --> 00:39:18.660
things that we'd try
and have, uh, covered,

00:39:18.750 --> 00:39:20.490
or it's got to have
some entertainment

00:39:20.490 --> 00:39:25.500
value and it wasn't
until, uh, sitting down

00:39:25.500 --> 00:39:28.200
with, well, there's
a couple, but, uh, I

00:39:28.200 --> 00:39:30.960
don't know, uh, Brad
Brooks from our galley.

00:39:32.985 --> 00:39:35.175
I remember before
doing the podcast with

00:39:35.175 --> 00:39:36.345
them, just like with
you, we have a little

00:39:36.345 --> 00:39:38.055
bit of preamble, we
talked back and forth.

00:39:38.085 --> 00:39:41.475
He was like, you know,
if you want to talk about

00:39:41.655 --> 00:39:44.415
whatever technical things
that I do with hunting.

00:39:44.475 --> 00:39:45.015
Sure.

00:39:45.045 --> 00:39:45.285
Yeah.

00:39:45.285 --> 00:39:45.975
We can do it.

00:39:46.005 --> 00:39:48.555
I mean, like they make
the game bags and yeah,

00:39:48.555 --> 00:39:50.025
we could talk about
that, but honestly,

00:39:50.445 --> 00:39:52.305
I'm more interested
just to tell stories.

00:39:52.425 --> 00:39:54.405
I want to see what
you're about and I'd

00:39:54.405 --> 00:39:56.115
love to be able to share
some of my stories.

00:39:56.115 --> 00:39:58.845
And I'm like, it's just
like you're saying this,

00:39:58.935 --> 00:40:02.745
this whole world of
social media, that's been

00:40:02.745 --> 00:40:05.175
so polished and everybody
knows it's fake.

00:40:05.175 --> 00:40:05.355
Right?

00:40:05.355 --> 00:40:06.615
For the most part,
you look at all this

00:40:06.615 --> 00:40:08.595
policy, they want to
see something real

00:40:08.685 --> 00:40:10.455
and they want to be
able to connect with,

00:40:10.495 --> 00:40:13.185
with the people that
they're listening to,

00:40:13.185 --> 00:40:14.175
where they're watching.

00:40:14.985 --> 00:40:16.575
And if they happen
to be entertained

00:40:16.575 --> 00:40:18.405
and educated in the
process, even better,

00:40:18.915 --> 00:40:19.605
it's a bonus.

00:40:19.725 --> 00:40:20.865
It's a bonus, right?

00:40:21.405 --> 00:40:21.585
Yeah.

00:40:21.645 --> 00:40:25.815
I mean, I'll bring
guests on that are not

00:40:25.815 --> 00:40:27.555
usually entertaining,
but very informal.

00:40:28.424 --> 00:40:30.315
Um, and that's a
podcast where I want

00:40:30.315 --> 00:40:32.444
them to do a lot of
the talking, right.

00:40:33.194 --> 00:40:36.015
A habitat biologist,
um, right.

00:40:36.015 --> 00:40:39.045
We've had several of
those on, and I'm kind

00:40:39.045 --> 00:40:41.505
of like when I got them
on and they're on a

00:40:41.505 --> 00:40:45.255
roll about habitat and
biology and pollinators,

00:40:45.255 --> 00:40:47.505
I'm like, oh, right.

00:40:49.165 --> 00:40:51.375
So then I feel like one
of my own listeners.

00:40:51.884 --> 00:40:52.305
Yeah.

00:40:52.785 --> 00:40:55.995
Like that's why they
liked this because I

00:40:55.995 --> 00:40:56.654
just learned something.

00:40:56.654 --> 00:40:58.095
They gotta like
it, you know?

00:40:58.515 --> 00:41:00.944
And then with, in my
particular case, cause

00:41:00.944 --> 00:41:03.404
I'm known for being
such a, a drinker.

00:41:05.145 --> 00:41:08.115
Well, I am, I mean, my
dad said I drove a beer

00:41:08.115 --> 00:41:10.305
truck in Chicago for
two years when I was

00:41:12.045 --> 00:41:13.515
20 and 21 years old.

00:41:14.475 --> 00:41:17.565
I drove a paps blue
ribbon, a tractor

00:41:17.565 --> 00:41:19.634
trailer and delivered
beer to stores.

00:41:20.085 --> 00:41:20.625
Awesome.

00:41:21.105 --> 00:41:24.435
You, you cannot
imagine how much beer,

00:41:24.765 --> 00:41:26.115
I think the other
day, a buddy of mine.

00:41:27.254 --> 00:41:29.835
Uh, best friends since
I was, you know, like

00:41:29.835 --> 00:41:31.365
I said, right around
diapers, we don't

00:41:31.365 --> 00:41:33.705
remember ourselves,
but we were next

00:41:33.705 --> 00:41:36.795
door neighbors and he
goes, how much beer do

00:41:36.795 --> 00:41:37.694
you think you drank?

00:41:37.785 --> 00:41:38.595
And I'm like,
I don't know.

00:41:39.015 --> 00:41:40.875
So I got my
calculator out and I

00:41:40.875 --> 00:41:41.565
didn't drink early.

00:41:41.575 --> 00:41:43.694
I wasn't like a 13 year
old delinquent, you know,

00:41:43.995 --> 00:41:46.154
like I didn't cigarette
until I was old enough

00:41:46.154 --> 00:41:47.145
to buy cigarettes.

00:41:47.444 --> 00:41:47.714
Yeah.

00:41:47.745 --> 00:41:51.615
But my mom smoked and she
said, oh, you're smoking.

00:41:51.674 --> 00:41:52.455
I'm like, well, yeah.

00:41:52.455 --> 00:41:54.345
She goes, well, I
certainly can't tell

00:41:54.345 --> 00:41:58.305
you not to, you know, it
came to beer drinking.

00:41:58.935 --> 00:42:01.335
I was, I was probably,
I was not like the

00:42:01.335 --> 00:42:02.714
high school party kid.

00:42:02.714 --> 00:42:04.964
You know, we were
out trying to chase

00:42:04.964 --> 00:42:07.245
bugs and flies and
try to hunt and trap.

00:42:07.245 --> 00:42:09.404
And even though we're
in the city of Chicago,

00:42:09.855 --> 00:42:13.245
but when it came to
like drinking, when I

00:42:13.245 --> 00:42:15.464
was able to say, get
into someplace or go

00:42:15.464 --> 00:42:19.335
to Wisconsin, where it
was only 18, I took to

00:42:19.335 --> 00:42:22.214
that, like a, like a, you
know, a flight of shit.

00:42:23.565 --> 00:42:24.795
And then I drove
this beer truck.

00:42:25.964 --> 00:42:30.225
And the sales, the job is
called driver salesman.

00:42:30.665 --> 00:42:31.424
It was a union.

00:42:31.424 --> 00:42:32.205
It's a union.

00:42:32.205 --> 00:42:34.214
I think it was, I
think it was local

00:42:34.214 --> 00:42:36.015
7 43 in Chicago.

00:42:36.375 --> 00:42:37.095
I think it was.

00:42:37.214 --> 00:42:40.484
And so my first day,
I'm with this other

00:42:40.484 --> 00:42:42.134
driver and I'm his
helper, which means I

00:42:42.134 --> 00:42:43.185
got to do all the work.

00:42:43.995 --> 00:42:46.515
Of course, 12 packs on
the Dolly, bring them

00:42:46.515 --> 00:42:48.615
down the stairs, stock
the sh you know, you

00:42:48.615 --> 00:42:50.835
don't stock the shelves,
but you, you make sure

00:42:50.835 --> 00:42:52.785
the beers in the shelf
where people can see it.

00:42:53.174 --> 00:42:55.305
An old bill was over
at the bar having a

00:42:55.755 --> 00:42:56.565
short glass of beer.

00:42:56.565 --> 00:42:59.174
And that's right after
breakfast, because our

00:42:59.185 --> 00:43:02.805
tender would pour him
a, a shorty glass and

00:43:02.805 --> 00:43:04.665
that he'd get, he'd
get the bill made out.

00:43:04.665 --> 00:43:05.475
And he'd say,
you want a glass?

00:43:05.475 --> 00:43:07.214
I'm like, I'm
dying from work.

00:43:07.245 --> 00:43:08.174
I mean, yeah, let
me have a Bible.

00:43:09.375 --> 00:43:09.825
Okay.

00:43:10.605 --> 00:43:13.065
That would go on all
day long, all day

00:43:13.065 --> 00:43:14.955
long, five days a week.

00:43:15.525 --> 00:43:20.505
And I'm not saying I have
good friends of mine have

00:43:20.505 --> 00:43:21.495
literally told me, Ryan.

00:43:22.920 --> 00:43:24.420
I don't think I've
ever seen you out of

00:43:24.420 --> 00:43:25.260
control in your life.

00:43:25.290 --> 00:43:27.390
I've seen you on stage.

00:43:28.470 --> 00:43:30.420
Might've seen the
lampshade once, you

00:43:30.420 --> 00:43:34.860
know, but I have some
and I drink very light.

00:43:34.860 --> 00:43:36.390
I drink light beer,
you know, I don't

00:43:36.390 --> 00:43:37.590
drink content.

00:43:37.710 --> 00:43:39.090
I don't drink alcohol.

00:43:39.120 --> 00:43:40.440
Like what I call alcohol?

00:43:40.650 --> 00:43:41.430
I don't drink wine.

00:43:41.430 --> 00:43:42.420
I don't drink bourbon.

00:43:42.720 --> 00:43:44.400
I'll sip on something
once in a blue moon,

00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.940
but I have some innate,
maybe it's just because

00:43:47.940 --> 00:43:49.290
of conditioning.

00:43:50.910 --> 00:43:52.830
I've been pulled
over three times for

00:43:52.830 --> 00:43:54.150
suspicion of DUI.

00:43:55.500 --> 00:43:57.210
It never, it never
blew illegal.

00:43:57.420 --> 00:43:57.630
Now.

00:43:57.630 --> 00:43:58.920
I don't know how
to explain that.

00:44:01.530 --> 00:44:02.580
Some horse shoes, maybe.

00:44:02.580 --> 00:44:03.930
I don't know, once you up

00:44:03.930 --> 00:44:06.650
my ass, the one I got
under the seat, I,

00:44:06.650 --> 00:44:10.410
again, I was, I know that
those times that I had

00:44:10.740 --> 00:44:11.970
alcohol on my breath.

00:44:12.180 --> 00:44:12.510
Yeah.

00:44:13.410 --> 00:44:15.390
But I wasn't in a bar,
you know, drinking,

00:44:15.390 --> 00:44:16.800
but I've been on, I
was on a hunting trip

00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:17.520
once and I got pulled.

00:44:18.435 --> 00:44:20.355
And of course you could
smell it on my breath.

00:44:20.535 --> 00:44:20.835
Right.

00:44:21.375 --> 00:44:24.765
This cop made me do
three times into this

00:44:24.765 --> 00:44:28.605
straw and he's like, he's
like, he was literally

00:44:28.605 --> 00:44:32.985
like, I don't understand
this thing and go like

00:44:33.915 --> 00:44:34.785
this thing's broken

00:44:37.424 --> 00:44:38.174
good genetics.

00:44:39.465 --> 00:44:41.625
That goes, just goes
back to, I, I always

00:44:41.625 --> 00:44:42.944
am who I am, you know?

00:44:44.035 --> 00:44:46.154
And I, I mean, I could
tell from talking

00:44:46.154 --> 00:44:48.615
to you the other day
and you're like, kind

00:44:48.615 --> 00:44:49.455
of guy we'd bump in.

00:44:49.465 --> 00:44:52.545
If we sat down on a
plane together, it's

00:44:52.545 --> 00:44:53.955
not the guy you're
not going to talk to.

00:44:53.955 --> 00:44:54.855
It's the guy that's
going to make the

00:44:54.855 --> 00:44:58.395
whole flight go by and
totally blink of an eye.

00:44:58.455 --> 00:44:58.755
Yeah,

00:44:59.235 --> 00:44:59.654
totally.

00:44:59.654 --> 00:44:59.745
Yeah.

00:45:00.735 --> 00:45:01.725
So yeah.

00:45:01.785 --> 00:45:02.955
Sounds like a dream job.

00:45:03.075 --> 00:45:04.215
I don't know why
you left that one.

00:45:05.025 --> 00:45:05.265
Yeah,

00:45:06.255 --> 00:45:07.035
it was a good job.

00:45:07.065 --> 00:45:07.725
It was a good job.

00:45:07.755 --> 00:45:11.085
I, unfortunately,
I don't know.

00:45:11.395 --> 00:45:11.674
I don't know.

00:45:11.745 --> 00:45:13.275
I forget what I think
it was a Monday morning.

00:45:14.460 --> 00:45:15.870
I took what was
called a barrel.

00:45:15.990 --> 00:45:17.520
I had to do a barrel
run, so it's a

00:45:17.520 --> 00:45:18.210
different truck.

00:45:18.240 --> 00:45:19.470
It's a straight
bed truck.

00:45:20.070 --> 00:45:21.180
And I was starving.

00:45:21.180 --> 00:45:22.590
I was probably
out all day at a

00:45:22.590 --> 00:45:24.030
barbecue or whatever.

00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:25.890
Got up, more
starving, hungry.

00:45:25.890 --> 00:45:30.060
And I, I pulled into a
McDonald's through and

00:45:30.300 --> 00:45:33.360
thank God, there was a
car under the canopy at

00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:34.440
the drive-through window.

00:45:35.730 --> 00:45:38.820
But so I stopped with
my, the front end of this

00:45:38.820 --> 00:45:42.900
old international PO you
know, ma literally manual

00:45:42.900 --> 00:45:45.120
steering box truck.

00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:47.070
And I'm bright
behind this car.

00:45:47.580 --> 00:45:50.220
But what I didn't
realize was that the sign

00:45:50.520 --> 00:45:55.170
that said clearance up
clear it's nine, six.

00:45:55.590 --> 00:45:55.740
Yeah.

00:45:55.770 --> 00:45:57.330
I was just thinking
McDonald's.

00:45:57.750 --> 00:46:00.480
So when I pulled up
and stopped the box and

00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.320
my truck was literally
up against that sign,

00:46:05.460 --> 00:46:06.150
I didn't know it.

00:46:06.210 --> 00:46:09.000
And when that car pulled
up, I let off the clutch.

00:46:09.765 --> 00:46:11.805
And all the glass started
breaking and coming

00:46:11.805 --> 00:46:12.525
down under the hood.

00:46:13.005 --> 00:46:16.275
No, I didn't take the
canopy down or anything.

00:46:16.665 --> 00:46:17.175
Yeah.

00:46:17.895 --> 00:46:20.625
But, uh, it gave my
boss some pause for

00:46:20.625 --> 00:46:21.435
keeping me going.

00:46:23.865 --> 00:46:25.155
I went back into
construction,

00:46:26.055 --> 00:46:26.625
but yeah.

00:46:26.655 --> 00:46:29.235
So that must have been
what you hired, uh,

00:46:29.415 --> 00:46:31.545
Steve and his bros for
was being construction.

00:46:31.545 --> 00:46:31.725
Was

00:46:31.725 --> 00:46:31.875
it?

00:46:32.475 --> 00:46:32.785
Yeah.

00:46:32.785 --> 00:46:33.045
Yeah.

00:46:33.675 --> 00:46:33.945
Yes.

00:46:34.065 --> 00:46:35.295
Even Danny and Matt.

00:46:35.385 --> 00:46:38.025
Um, so yeah, I, I
just jumped back into

00:46:38.025 --> 00:46:41.025
construction and started
my own crew, but I

00:46:41.025 --> 00:46:43.275
mean, what is your
background, military

00:46:43.275 --> 00:46:44.715
or law enforcement
or what's yours?

00:46:44.715 --> 00:46:47.595
Cause I couldn't, I
know on that podcast

00:46:47.595 --> 00:46:49.125
you did with April
Vokey and I'm a huge

00:46:49.125 --> 00:46:50.205
fan of April Vokey.

00:46:51.795 --> 00:46:53.715
You said she asked
you a question.

00:46:53.715 --> 00:46:55.365
It was like, well,
you're kind of known as

00:46:55.365 --> 00:46:57.435
the gun guy and you're
like, no, I don't want

00:46:57.435 --> 00:46:58.275
to be known as the gun.

00:47:01.185 --> 00:47:01.755
What's your back.

00:47:01.755 --> 00:47:04.815
So, yeah, my background
aside from being in the

00:47:04.815 --> 00:47:07.665
army cadet program as
a, uh, as a teenager

00:47:07.665 --> 00:47:09.375
and going through that,
that's the closest to

00:47:09.375 --> 00:47:10.605
military I've ever been.

00:47:10.905 --> 00:47:13.815
Um, I've got family
background in

00:47:13.815 --> 00:47:14.595
law enforcement.

00:47:14.595 --> 00:47:16.515
My father and grandfather
were law enforcement.

00:47:17.295 --> 00:47:20.175
I just was, uh, a bit
of a delinquent in

00:47:20.175 --> 00:47:22.425
school, in elementary
school and high school.

00:47:22.515 --> 00:47:26.145
And wasn't really
fitting in and I did

00:47:26.145 --> 00:47:27.315
like to blow things up.

00:47:27.375 --> 00:47:31.365
And nowadays after nine
11, that's not something

00:47:31.365 --> 00:47:33.495
that would wear well,
but back in the day, it

00:47:33.495 --> 00:47:35.475
was just, Hey, this is
chemistry, or this is

00:47:35.475 --> 00:47:36.705
engineering, or this is.

00:47:39.795 --> 00:47:42.195
Actually one of the
fellows, he was the

00:47:42.825 --> 00:47:44.385
head of the police
academy here at the

00:47:44.385 --> 00:47:46.035
justice Institute
in British Columbia.

00:47:46.035 --> 00:47:47.685
And he says, travel,
you know, why don't

00:47:47.685 --> 00:47:49.065
you come on and
take a few courses.

00:47:49.065 --> 00:47:51.945
It might be right up
your alley and, uh, their

00:47:52.005 --> 00:47:53.415
firearms related courses.

00:47:53.415 --> 00:47:56.115
So at 18 years old, I
started packing a gun on

00:47:56.115 --> 00:47:58.245
my hip and was working
as an armor car guard.

00:47:58.245 --> 00:47:59.475
And I thought, Hey,
this'll, this'll

00:47:59.475 --> 00:48:01.005
be a good step in
the right direction

00:48:01.005 --> 00:48:03.825
for, uh, for law
enforcement or military.

00:48:04.065 --> 00:48:06.045
I flew over actually
to the UK because

00:48:06.045 --> 00:48:07.605
I was going to join
the British military.

00:48:08.355 --> 00:48:12.225
Um, but I went through
the process with

00:48:12.225 --> 00:48:14.025
our local police
department, Vancouver

00:48:14.025 --> 00:48:16.815
police scored top of my
intake on the written.

00:48:17.145 --> 00:48:18.825
I came third on the
physical because you

00:48:18.825 --> 00:48:21.435
can actually see, uh,
based on where you

00:48:21.435 --> 00:48:22.665
place on everybody else.

00:48:23.235 --> 00:48:24.855
And they said,
well, Travis,

00:48:25.035 --> 00:48:25.785
you're kinda young.

00:48:25.845 --> 00:48:28.995
Come on back when he got
a bit more experience and

00:48:28.995 --> 00:48:31.365
I've always kind of been
entrepreneurial minded.

00:48:31.485 --> 00:48:32.715
I mean, I might.

00:48:33.810 --> 00:48:34.320
Job.

00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:37.110
I had, I was performing
magic at kids' birthday

00:48:37.110 --> 00:48:39.300
parties when I was in
grade four grade five.

00:48:39.300 --> 00:48:39.690
Right.

00:48:39.690 --> 00:48:41.850
I mean like what,
what can I do?

00:48:41.850 --> 00:48:42.750
I can make some money.

00:48:42.750 --> 00:48:45.810
And, and even before
that, when I was

00:48:45.810 --> 00:48:47.610
working for the armored
car company, I was

00:48:47.610 --> 00:48:49.290
welding up all their
hand trucks for them

00:48:49.290 --> 00:48:51.120
because I thought, well,
geez, how can I make

00:48:51.120 --> 00:48:52.110
a couple extra bucks?

00:48:52.110 --> 00:48:53.250
And then I started
doing their gun

00:48:53.260 --> 00:48:54.870
smithing for them, went
down to Springfield,

00:48:54.870 --> 00:48:56.940
Massachusetts to the
Smith and Western

00:48:56.940 --> 00:48:58.800
factory and got myself
trained up on their,

00:48:58.820 --> 00:48:59.730
their wheel guns.

00:48:59.730 --> 00:49:01.680
And of course, I
guess Springfield's

00:49:01.680 --> 00:49:02.400
move in now.

00:49:02.520 --> 00:49:04.230
I think they're going to
Tennessee or something.

00:49:05.460 --> 00:49:07.500
So always had that
sort of background,

00:49:07.500 --> 00:49:08.580
that knowledge base.

00:49:09.630 --> 00:49:13.410
And I decided, well,
geez, maybe my life

00:49:13.410 --> 00:49:15.630
experience will be,
I'll start a business

00:49:15.810 --> 00:49:18.060
and you know, most
businesses fail.

00:49:18.060 --> 00:49:19.980
And so if I go through
that and I suck at it,

00:49:19.980 --> 00:49:21.960
then I can show that life
experience and go back

00:49:22.380 --> 00:49:23.160
and try the policing.

00:49:24.570 --> 00:49:25.410
I didn't suck.

00:49:25.680 --> 00:49:28.530
It took off and I've,
I've never looked back.

00:49:28.530 --> 00:49:30.540
And then we do work
with law enforcement,

00:49:30.540 --> 00:49:32.280
for firearms, repair
and maintenance.

00:49:32.370 --> 00:49:34.560
Uh, we do work with
like the armored car

00:49:34.560 --> 00:49:36.300
industry do and use
of force training.

00:49:36.300 --> 00:49:39.540
And I do, I'm a subject
matter expert with

00:49:39.540 --> 00:49:42.030
the courts for both
defense and crown

00:49:42.030 --> 00:49:45.090
counsel for firearms
and use of force and

00:49:45.090 --> 00:49:46.110
weapons related things.

00:49:47.160 --> 00:49:48.810
But that's not,
I don't know.

00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:51.330
That's just one aspect
of, of what I do.

00:49:52.200 --> 00:49:54.540
I wouldn't call you the,
the construction guy.

00:49:54.720 --> 00:49:56.040
I know that
you can do it.

00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:00.000
That is what I'm probably
the best at you're.

00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:00.390
Right,

00:50:00.750 --> 00:50:01.110
right.

00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:04.230
Yeah.

00:50:04.290 --> 00:50:04.950
Well now you're.

00:50:05.790 --> 00:50:06.000
Yeah.

00:50:06.030 --> 00:50:09.900
Cause I assumed when I,
when I talked to you and

00:50:09.900 --> 00:50:12.540
I was watching you in
April on your podcast,

00:50:13.020 --> 00:50:15.720
I'm like, oh, he's a Navy
seal or something, you

00:50:15.720 --> 00:50:19.440
know, or, uh, or, uh, uh,
uh, Royal Marines or so

00:50:19.470 --> 00:50:21.660
I, I just assumed, right.

00:50:22.350 --> 00:50:24.540
And I'm like, nah, he
looks like he's about six

00:50:24.540 --> 00:50:27.060
foot three and ripped,
you know, my eyes, this

00:50:27.060 --> 00:50:29.490
guy's going to tear,
tear, someone's head off.

00:50:29.520 --> 00:50:30.970
You know, you
have a fight.

00:50:31.020 --> 00:50:32.340
You're the fighting
background.

00:50:34.080 --> 00:50:34.410
Yeah.

00:50:34.500 --> 00:50:37.020
I, so both
non-professionally

00:50:37.050 --> 00:50:39.420
and when I say
non-professionally, I

00:50:39.430 --> 00:50:41.070
got into a lot of fights
when I was younger.

00:50:41.460 --> 00:50:44.430
And then in a more
organized perspective,

00:50:44.490 --> 00:50:45.420
I got into.

00:50:47.025 --> 00:50:53.115
Muy Thai kickboxing and
jujitsu and Akido you.

00:50:53.115 --> 00:50:53.415
Yeah.

00:50:53.775 --> 00:50:55.275
And then our niece or
niece was a kind of

00:50:55.275 --> 00:50:57.255
a neat one, but you
do jujitsu don't you?

00:50:59.265 --> 00:50:59.565
Yeah.

00:50:59.565 --> 00:51:00.165
There you go.

00:51:01.925 --> 00:51:05.055
I, uh, see, I, I
did not hear it.

00:51:05.055 --> 00:51:07.785
I did not do any
research on that, but

00:51:07.935 --> 00:51:08.985
you know, like you
said, when you meet

00:51:08.985 --> 00:51:10.875
somebody, like there's
something about him.

00:51:10.875 --> 00:51:12.075
It's, if it's
not military it's

00:51:12.075 --> 00:51:12.915
martial arts.

00:51:14.295 --> 00:51:18.945
And so I, uh, I got
into, I took, uh, some

00:51:19.035 --> 00:51:21.045
show to con class in
high school at somebody

00:51:21.045 --> 00:51:25.545
other school, but when I
there's a little rabbit

00:51:25.545 --> 00:51:28.245
hole, but when I got
divorced, I was married

00:51:28.245 --> 00:51:31.395
for a very short time to
the very wrong person,

00:51:31.545 --> 00:51:33.645
no kids, no fault.

00:51:33.675 --> 00:51:37.485
But when I got
divorced, I wanted

00:51:37.485 --> 00:51:40.125
to go kick this other
guy's ass, you know?

00:51:41.220 --> 00:51:44.250
And then I was told that,
well, he's a state police

00:51:44.250 --> 00:51:46.500
officer and he protects
the governor of Illinois.

00:51:46.950 --> 00:51:48.090
Well, that's not
going to be a good

00:51:48.090 --> 00:51:49.020
guy to go against.

00:51:49.260 --> 00:51:51.420
So now I got, I said, I'm
going to get into March.

00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.750
So I took Ken Paul
and I was in that

00:51:54.750 --> 00:51:55.650
for a long time.

00:51:55.650 --> 00:51:59.070
I have a, you
mentioned add and ADHD.

00:51:59.580 --> 00:52:00.780
I've got some
version of that.

00:52:00.780 --> 00:52:02.730
Cause I can't, I
got to reread and

00:52:02.730 --> 00:52:03.960
reread, reread.

00:52:04.500 --> 00:52:06.540
So learning all the
cottages and techniques

00:52:06.540 --> 00:52:07.170
took me a long time.

00:52:07.170 --> 00:52:10.860
I earned a brown belt
in that, um, fought

00:52:10.860 --> 00:52:13.920
competitively, but not
for money in amateur, you

00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:15.150
know, like tournaments.

00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:15.770
Right.

00:52:15.770 --> 00:52:16.980
And I would do the forms.

00:52:16.980 --> 00:52:18.180
I would do the weapons.

00:52:18.240 --> 00:52:19.680
So when you said
our niece, you know,

00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:23.070
um, I would do, and
then I would also

00:52:23.070 --> 00:52:24.150
do the sparring or

00:52:25.230 --> 00:52:25.500
Yeah.

00:52:25.560 --> 00:52:28.680
So I did that and did
that in Chicago for

00:52:28.680 --> 00:52:30.090
a long time when I
was still in Chicago.

00:52:30.930 --> 00:52:33.150
Found schools up in
Michigan and then with

00:52:33.150 --> 00:52:35.790
having three daughters,
it was always, there

00:52:35.790 --> 00:52:37.230
was always a heavy
bag in my life.

00:52:37.259 --> 00:52:38.490
There was always
a heavy bag.

00:52:38.700 --> 00:52:39.300
Yes.

00:52:39.630 --> 00:52:42.300
There was always a on
the road go to, uh, I'd

00:52:42.300 --> 00:52:45.150
go to a dojo and say,
what's your, what's

00:52:45.150 --> 00:52:46.740
your walking policy?

00:52:46.740 --> 00:52:47.910
Can I walk in for a week?

00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:50.520
And I would go
take TaeKwonDo.

00:52:51.060 --> 00:52:53.910
It was never a big
fan of the, I wasn't

00:52:53.910 --> 00:52:54.900
built for TaeKwonDo.

00:52:54.900 --> 00:52:57.000
It's just, I'm not a
Lakey, well stretched

00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:59.730
guy, but I mean,
and I would even

00:52:59.730 --> 00:53:01.440
enter tournaments
in other cities.

00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:03.810
So like, I it's like
so weird then when you

00:53:03.810 --> 00:53:07.500
said jujitsu, listen
to the damn Joe Rogan.

00:53:08.700 --> 00:53:10.920
I started jujitsu
at age 58.

00:53:11.759 --> 00:53:12.779
Holy Crow.

00:53:13.170 --> 00:53:15.450
Yeah, because of
Joe Rogan because

00:53:15.450 --> 00:53:16.140
of Joe Rogan.

00:53:16.350 --> 00:53:16.860
Yup.

00:53:17.279 --> 00:53:17.640
Yup.

00:53:17.670 --> 00:53:19.259
That's the power of
the podcast, right?

00:53:19.890 --> 00:53:20.279
Yep.

00:53:20.310 --> 00:53:22.050
And that's why I
started my podcast.

00:53:22.050 --> 00:53:23.759
Cause he got Steve
to start a podcast.

00:53:23.759 --> 00:53:26.490
So that man has no
idea how influential

00:53:26.490 --> 00:53:27.270
he's been on me.

00:53:28.080 --> 00:53:28.740
That's an.

00:53:29.745 --> 00:53:35.265
Uh, jujitsu is by far
it's the most, I've never

00:53:35.265 --> 00:53:37.424
enjoyed a martial art as
much as jujitsu because

00:53:37.424 --> 00:53:40.214
it's so you can put a
hundred percent into it.

00:53:40.245 --> 00:53:42.705
And if you're careful
not get hurt, you

00:53:42.705 --> 00:53:46.694
know, like Muay Thai,
that's some deadly

00:53:46.694 --> 00:53:49.875
shit there poets a task
for your conditioning.

00:53:50.085 --> 00:53:51.015
Oh yeah.

00:53:51.194 --> 00:53:52.964
But you can't show
a guy a technique at

00:53:52.964 --> 00:53:54.765
full strength just to
show him the technique

00:53:56.625 --> 00:53:59.055
involves breaking his
face on your knee.

00:53:59.415 --> 00:54:00.045
Yes.

00:54:02.205 --> 00:54:04.515
You can get yourself,
locked up, tied up,

00:54:04.545 --> 00:54:05.865
choked out arm barred.

00:54:06.134 --> 00:54:09.645
And you can tap that
you had, that is close

00:54:09.645 --> 00:54:16.432
to feeling is so I at
age 60, no, 58, 9 68

00:54:16.432 --> 00:54:18.555
61 took me a long time.

00:54:18.645 --> 00:54:20.055
I only went a couple
of days a week.

00:54:20.444 --> 00:54:24.645
I earned my blue belt,
which was like, yeah.

00:54:24.734 --> 00:54:25.365
Good for you.

00:54:25.365 --> 00:54:26.475
That's fantastic.

00:54:26.895 --> 00:54:27.165
Yeah.

00:54:27.345 --> 00:54:27.975
I don't even remember.

00:54:29.790 --> 00:54:30.629
Are you still training

00:54:31.799 --> 00:54:34.230
when COVID hit the
school closed and

00:54:34.230 --> 00:54:35.250
the school near me?

00:54:35.279 --> 00:54:37.109
I did find a
school last summer.

00:54:37.109 --> 00:54:37.980
That's near me.

00:54:38.759 --> 00:54:41.009
I walked into a
couple of classes.

00:54:41.009 --> 00:54:45.270
I liked the class and
it's probably as soon as

00:54:45.299 --> 00:54:48.060
hunting, season's over,
I'm going to, I talked

00:54:48.120 --> 00:54:51.120
to the professor there
and I'm going to join

00:54:51.120 --> 00:54:52.710
up and get back there a
couple of days a week.

00:54:52.710 --> 00:54:55.529
Cause it doesn't get
your legs in shape for

00:54:55.529 --> 00:54:57.600
hunting, but boy gets
your, get your heart

00:54:57.600 --> 00:54:57.870
going.

00:54:58.230 --> 00:54:58.950
It's your heart going?

00:54:58.950 --> 00:54:59.580
Like crazy.

00:54:59.640 --> 00:55:00.120
Yeah.

00:55:00.180 --> 00:55:00.810
Crazy.

00:55:02.609 --> 00:55:06.000
Well, you know, I
little bit of a segue

00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:08.040
here, but a training.

00:55:08.040 --> 00:55:10.710
So I've got the
training background

00:55:11.339 --> 00:55:12.149
training company.

00:55:12.149 --> 00:55:13.140
That's what I do.

00:55:13.560 --> 00:55:16.529
And I've always had a
keen interest in online

00:55:16.529 --> 00:55:19.890
training and I happened
to know that, uh, you've

00:55:19.890 --> 00:55:21.810
got some background in
online training as well.

00:55:21.810 --> 00:55:22.230
Don't you?

00:55:23.399 --> 00:55:26.069
Well, now I do, uh, two
years ago, I didn't.

00:55:27.045 --> 00:55:29.145
Um, yeah, a friend
of mine, who's a dog

00:55:29.174 --> 00:55:31.095
trainer in this area
in west Michigan.

00:55:32.265 --> 00:55:33.795
He would come on
my podcast and we

00:55:33.795 --> 00:55:36.645
would do question and
answer, uh, segments.

00:55:36.884 --> 00:55:39.134
And they were always
well received.

00:55:39.705 --> 00:55:40.095
I'm sure.

00:55:40.095 --> 00:55:42.944
You know, you get certain
guests on and in the

00:55:42.944 --> 00:55:44.774
beginning you always look
at your download numbers.

00:55:44.805 --> 00:55:46.964
Like, oh, people
are listening.

00:55:47.444 --> 00:55:48.674
I don't look
at it anymore.

00:55:49.214 --> 00:55:51.645
And, uh, I got to
turn that ringer off.

00:55:51.855 --> 00:55:53.984
I don't look at downloads
anymore until I load up

00:55:53.984 --> 00:55:57.105
an episode and it pops up
there on my feed and it's

00:55:57.105 --> 00:55:58.665
always pretty consistent.

00:55:58.785 --> 00:56:00.464
Um, hang on, I
gotta get that off.

00:56:01.004 --> 00:56:06.254
And so, um, the guy
that I used to bring on

00:56:06.254 --> 00:56:08.415
Justin McGrail, he was a
really good dog trainer.

00:56:09.674 --> 00:56:11.415
And I tried to talk
him into doing like

00:56:11.415 --> 00:56:13.395
some YouTube clips
and stuff like that.

00:56:13.395 --> 00:56:15.615
Just let's show
some people, some

00:56:15.615 --> 00:56:16.785
of the stuff you do.

00:56:17.444 --> 00:56:20.415
He's like he, and he
is not a computer guy.

00:56:20.415 --> 00:56:22.424
He's not a phone guys,
much younger than

00:56:22.424 --> 00:56:23.955
me, but you'd swear.

00:56:23.955 --> 00:56:25.375
He was born in
the 18 hundreds.

00:56:25.395 --> 00:56:25.455
Yeah.

00:56:26.205 --> 00:56:30.075
I think, yeah, they, the
phone to him is just,

00:56:30.285 --> 00:56:32.175
someone's got to call
me, so I have to have

00:56:32.175 --> 00:56:34.245
a phone, but that's
all he wants it for.

00:56:34.245 --> 00:56:34.545
Right.

00:56:34.845 --> 00:56:36.705
If a tin can and a
string of work, he'd

00:56:36.705 --> 00:56:37.455
be happy with it.

00:56:40.275 --> 00:56:43.335
So he looked at
some YouTube videos.

00:56:43.335 --> 00:56:44.325
He's like, no, no.

00:56:44.325 --> 00:56:47.295
He said, I'm not, I am
not putting myself out on

00:56:47.295 --> 00:56:49.485
YouTube and sorry, Ron.

00:56:49.695 --> 00:56:51.795
I enjoy doing the
podcast with, you

00:56:51.795 --> 00:56:53.865
know, I I've got a
little rhythm going.

00:56:53.865 --> 00:56:56.385
I, I enjoyed the
questions he said,

00:56:56.805 --> 00:56:58.845
and then one day were
kicking something around

00:56:58.845 --> 00:57:01.695
and it just turned into
like, well, what if

00:57:01.695 --> 00:57:03.135
we filmed what you do?

00:57:03.645 --> 00:57:05.805
So it's not like the
only way to train a dog.

00:57:05.835 --> 00:57:07.395
It's just the
way he trains his

00:57:07.395 --> 00:57:10.725
dogs in the past.

00:57:10.725 --> 00:57:13.815
He guides for like six
weeks in Montana, six

00:57:13.815 --> 00:57:15.795
weeks in, uh, Arizona.

00:57:16.005 --> 00:57:18.015
Now on those trips,
there's some non

00:57:18.015 --> 00:57:18.975
hunting season time.

00:57:18.975 --> 00:57:20.715
But anyway, Scott
used to be on the

00:57:20.715 --> 00:57:21.695
road 12 weeks a year.

00:57:22.725 --> 00:57:25.455
Guiding wild bird hunts
and Arizona and Montana.

00:57:26.025 --> 00:57:28.335
So, I mean, he is as real
as you can get when it

00:57:28.335 --> 00:57:31.815
comes to wild bird, dog,
and, and the training it

00:57:31.815 --> 00:57:33.375
takes to make that dog.

00:57:33.795 --> 00:57:37.545
So we started coming
up with this, you know,

00:57:37.575 --> 00:57:40.424
cockamamie idea that
we're going to have an

00:57:40.424 --> 00:57:41.535
online training school.

00:57:41.535 --> 00:57:43.665
We didn't know what
that meant, you know,

00:57:44.174 --> 00:57:50.445
but in now a year and a
half of filming and, uh,

00:57:50.505 --> 00:57:53.295
eight months of editing,
it's, it's out there.

00:57:53.295 --> 00:57:54.855
It's called the
Upland Institute.

00:57:55.305 --> 00:57:59.475
It's based on all
the dogs we use

00:57:59.475 --> 00:58:00.435
are pointing dogs.

00:58:00.435 --> 00:58:02.445
So, I mean, for the few
listeners that you or

00:58:02.445 --> 00:58:04.245
I would have that be
like, okay, I know what

00:58:04.245 --> 00:58:06.585
a German Shorthaired
pointer and a Labrador

00:58:06.585 --> 00:58:10.245
is a flushing dog, but
there's a lot of same

00:58:10.245 --> 00:58:11.384
stuff in those dogs.

00:58:11.384 --> 00:58:13.695
Just one happens
to flush a bird.

00:58:13.695 --> 00:58:14.445
One happens to point.

00:58:14.445 --> 00:58:17.865
So this course is tailor
made for appointing.

00:58:18.810 --> 00:58:22.950
But it also tailor made
for, if you got a new

00:58:22.950 --> 00:58:25.980
dog it's tailor made for
like, what do I do with

00:58:25.980 --> 00:58:29.430
this dog when it's young,
when you asked early on,

00:58:29.700 --> 00:58:33.180
how do I, you know, when
does training start?

00:58:33.180 --> 00:58:35.490
Well, it starts early
and there's a lot of

00:58:35.490 --> 00:58:38.670
little things that, you
know, I've known this

00:58:38.670 --> 00:58:39.930
guy for a long time.

00:58:40.470 --> 00:58:41.940
I'm like, I didn't
know you did that

00:58:41.940 --> 00:58:43.500
with your puppy when
he was that age.

00:58:44.100 --> 00:58:45.900
Like just these
little things.

00:58:46.530 --> 00:58:48.420
And so we filmed it
and then we filmed

00:58:48.420 --> 00:58:49.830
it when they got
older and we filmed.

00:58:50.190 --> 00:58:52.440
And then we just went
into, we went into

00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:54.810
the weeds with it and
we felt that we had

00:58:54.810 --> 00:58:57.510
enough content to,
you know, create, you

00:58:57.510 --> 00:58:59.070
know, we had somebody
create a website.

00:58:59.100 --> 00:59:02.430
And so I had no
background in online

00:59:02.790 --> 00:59:07.260
training, but, you know,
I kind of do now, but

00:59:07.260 --> 00:59:10.230
like how, how did, how
did you, I mean, did you

00:59:10.230 --> 00:59:12.810
go at it like with your
eyes closed, like we do

00:59:12.810 --> 00:59:15.690
with podcasts or were
you doing live training

00:59:15.690 --> 00:59:16.470
and then turned it to.

00:59:17.700 --> 00:59:19.410
So, yes and no.

00:59:19.770 --> 00:59:22.170
So when we talk with
the whole ADHD thing

00:59:22.170 --> 00:59:24.180
and I've joked in other
podcasts about it, so

00:59:24.180 --> 00:59:26.370
I was diagnosed with
ADHD at a young age.

00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:29.040
I don't even know if I
have ADHD, but it was

00:59:29.040 --> 00:59:30.570
just seems like to be the
common thing that people

00:59:30.570 --> 00:59:31.470
would diagnosed with.

00:59:31.860 --> 00:59:34.110
But I do know that
I'm always looking

00:59:34.110 --> 00:59:35.790
at new things and
I'm always trying

00:59:35.790 --> 00:59:37.170
to invent or create.

00:59:37.170 --> 00:59:41.910
And, and on the training
side, I did not do

00:59:41.910 --> 00:59:44.610
well in school, which
is really funny for

00:59:44.610 --> 00:59:46.320
a guy who now owns
a training company.

00:59:46.680 --> 00:59:48.570
But I was able to take
like from the cadet

00:59:48.570 --> 00:59:51.660
side, the man management
method of instruction and

00:59:51.660 --> 00:59:55.350
all the, the military,
uh, techniques for

00:59:55.530 --> 00:59:58.110
providing training,
whether it be theoretical

00:59:58.110 --> 00:59:59.400
or practical training.

00:59:59.940 --> 01:00:02.850
And I thought, man, they
kind of got it dialed in.

01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:05.400
They can take people
from the all different

01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:07.620
spectrums, from the
lowest common denominator

01:00:07.620 --> 01:00:09.150
to bright people, get
them all on the same

01:00:09.150 --> 01:00:11.070
page, get them trained
up, get them proficient

01:00:11.550 --> 01:00:12.150
and get them going.

01:00:12.150 --> 01:00:12.480
So.

01:00:13.270 --> 01:00:14.490
I looked at that.

01:00:14.550 --> 01:00:18.870
And by around 2004, 2005,
I was already certified

01:00:18.870 --> 01:00:22.320
as a, uh, a master
instructor within the

01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:23.430
firearms training here.

01:00:23.460 --> 01:00:27.660
That's a designation from
our RCMP for, um, just

01:00:27.660 --> 01:00:30.210
some really basic sort
of safety training that

01:00:30.210 --> 01:00:31.980
we do, but I'm able to
train other trainers.

01:00:32.009 --> 01:00:33.930
And I started having
talks with the

01:00:34.890 --> 01:00:37.350
different government
officials about saying,

01:00:37.560 --> 01:00:39.360
you guys got to put
your stuff online.

01:00:39.420 --> 01:00:41.280
You have to have some
sort of consistency in

01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:44.790
the, in the delivery and
the approach and looking

01:00:44.790 --> 01:00:45.720
at these benefits.

01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:48.180
And, you know, it
kind of fell on deaf

01:00:48.180 --> 01:00:50.940
ears, despite all the
different, uh, people

01:00:50.940 --> 01:00:52.259
I was talking with
and they're flying

01:00:52.259 --> 01:00:54.930
people, uh, from
back east over here.

01:00:54.930 --> 01:00:56.759
And I thought, man,
they're just pumping

01:00:56.759 --> 01:00:58.020
me for information
and they're gonna

01:00:58.040 --> 01:00:59.070
go do it themselves.

01:00:59.620 --> 01:01:02.940
So I started delving
deeper and deeper into

01:01:02.940 --> 01:01:05.759
the, into sort of the
online training world and

01:01:05.759 --> 01:01:07.440
there's pros and cons.

01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:09.540
I mean, you can learn
a lot in an in-person

01:01:09.540 --> 01:01:11.430
course that you
wouldn't get online

01:01:11.640 --> 01:01:12.090
and vice versa.

01:01:14.384 --> 01:01:14.865
Totally.

01:01:15.194 --> 01:01:17.565
So how do we, how
do we speak to those

01:01:17.565 --> 01:01:18.765
pros in the online?

01:01:18.855 --> 01:01:24.134
Because being a, uh, a
small business owner,

01:01:24.285 --> 01:01:27.975
uh, and having employees,
w w our reach is only

01:01:27.975 --> 01:01:30.645
so far, we've got the
lower mainland, we've

01:01:30.645 --> 01:01:31.575
got our locations.

01:01:31.575 --> 01:01:33.495
You can only get so many
people in a classroom,

01:01:33.495 --> 01:01:36.285
and you can only have so
many instructors, right.

01:01:36.285 --> 01:01:39.705
And instructors will have
a, um, a turnover rate.

01:01:40.335 --> 01:01:42.674
How can we sort
of systemize that?

01:01:42.674 --> 01:01:45.044
So people can get the
quality of information

01:01:46.065 --> 01:01:48.915
and sort of without
the downside of that

01:01:48.915 --> 01:01:49.964
administrative side.

01:01:50.714 --> 01:01:52.725
And that's where that's
sort of where the online

01:01:52.725 --> 01:01:53.774
training kind of came in.

01:01:53.774 --> 01:01:55.245
And I actually, I took
it from an approach.

01:01:55.245 --> 01:01:57.015
I wanted to build
a SAS or a software

01:01:57.015 --> 01:01:57.674
as a service.

01:01:58.185 --> 01:02:00.194
And I had, uh, at,
at the end, I think

01:02:00.194 --> 01:02:02.205
it was five different
programmers, building

01:02:02.205 --> 01:02:03.044
something for me.

01:02:03.044 --> 01:02:05.895
And I had zero business
building a SAS, and I

01:02:05.955 --> 01:02:08.774
sunk a lot of money and
time and energy into this

01:02:08.774 --> 01:02:11.924
only to realize there's
other ways we can.

01:02:12.765 --> 01:02:14.145
We can skin this cat.

01:02:14.415 --> 01:02:18.075
And so the online
training has

01:02:18.075 --> 01:02:18.765
been a passion.

01:02:18.765 --> 01:02:21.285
And right now we hold the
contract for provincial

01:02:21.285 --> 01:02:24.165
hunter education training
in British Columbia.

01:02:24.884 --> 01:02:27.314
And every dollar that
I have coming back in

01:02:27.314 --> 01:02:30.825
from that goes back into
new hunter recruitment,

01:02:30.944 --> 01:02:34.754
hunter retention, getting
people into the activity

01:02:34.754 --> 01:02:37.185
that I, that I enjoy
and hopefully try and

01:02:37.185 --> 01:02:39.314
introduce them to some
of the reasons for that

01:02:39.314 --> 01:02:41.055
enjoyment we've tripled.

01:02:41.174 --> 01:02:43.754
We've tripled our
provinces, uh, take on,

01:02:43.754 --> 01:02:45.825
uh, what they've been
bringing in, which is

01:02:46.515 --> 01:02:49.935
fantastic and massive
new hunter retention

01:02:50.055 --> 01:02:52.185
or recruitment and
hunter retention.

01:02:52.935 --> 01:02:56.834
So that's sort of a
passion project and I'm

01:02:56.834 --> 01:02:59.234
sure if I keep following
that passion, at some

01:02:59.234 --> 01:03:01.935
point, there will be
a monetary reward at

01:03:01.935 --> 01:03:04.395
the end, but that's
not why I do it sort of

01:03:04.395 --> 01:03:06.555
long-winded but I think
that kind of touches

01:03:06.555 --> 01:03:08.595
on why I got into it.

01:03:09.915 --> 01:03:11.564
Did you, did you
run into the.

01:03:12.705 --> 01:03:14.985
The like, oh my God,
we have to film this

01:03:15.015 --> 01:03:21.945
in on-camera and is it
like, oh, shit moment.

01:03:21.975 --> 01:03:24.285
Like, you know, no
wonder why I can

01:03:24.285 --> 01:03:25.275
watch television.

01:03:25.485 --> 01:03:28.455
There's a lot of stuff
that goes on to make

01:03:28.455 --> 01:03:29.595
that television show.

01:03:29.685 --> 01:03:30.165
Right.

01:03:30.795 --> 01:03:32.955
And a lot of footage
just never get

01:03:32.965 --> 01:03:34.785
seen by anybody.

01:03:34.845 --> 01:03:35.355
You know,

01:03:36.215 --> 01:03:38.745
our very first course
that we put together

01:03:38.745 --> 01:03:41.205
and put online and I
put a press release

01:03:41.205 --> 01:03:42.765
out on Newswire for it.

01:03:42.765 --> 01:03:48.285
And we hired a fellow to
do sort of the filming

01:03:48.285 --> 01:03:49.365
and production of it.

01:03:49.365 --> 01:03:51.975
And so I learned a
lot about the process

01:03:51.975 --> 01:03:54.585
of like scripting a
storyboarding and kind

01:03:54.585 --> 01:03:55.335
of what's involved.

01:03:55.845 --> 01:03:58.725
I also learned holy Crow,
some of these people

01:03:58.725 --> 01:04:00.465
that get into this, I
don't know, I'm using

01:04:00.495 --> 01:04:02.235
air brackets for people
that are listening, but

01:04:02.235 --> 01:04:04.395
this Hollywood mentality
or this Hollywood.

01:04:05.160 --> 01:04:05.560
I am.

01:04:05.560 --> 01:04:08.069
I never had somebody be
able to push my buttons.

01:04:08.069 --> 01:04:12.029
So either this guy
could and holy Crow,

01:04:12.180 --> 01:04:14.580
it was like, we would
get somebody trained

01:04:14.580 --> 01:04:18.090
up and I would find a
appropriate male model

01:04:18.090 --> 01:04:20.520
and female model or
actor or actress for,

01:04:20.700 --> 01:04:21.540
for different things.

01:04:21.540 --> 01:04:24.900
And, and on the night
before he would fire

01:04:24.900 --> 01:04:26.610
them and he says, oh,
I met somebody out

01:04:26.610 --> 01:04:28.500
at the Siri sky train
station and we're going

01:04:28.500 --> 01:04:29.490
to give them the job.

01:04:29.490 --> 01:04:31.500
And I mean, it was, it
was all over the board.

01:04:31.740 --> 01:04:34.770
And I, I was so
frustrated by the end,

01:04:34.770 --> 01:04:35.910
we have a final product.

01:04:36.180 --> 01:04:38.190
It costs a lot more
than I wanted that.

01:04:38.190 --> 01:04:39.750
I went out and I
purchased my own

01:04:39.750 --> 01:04:41.880
audio equipment, my
own video equipment.

01:04:41.910 --> 01:04:44.279
And I figured if
one man can do it,

01:04:44.310 --> 01:04:45.060
another can do it.

01:04:45.090 --> 01:04:46.140
I'm going to
figure this out.

01:04:46.560 --> 01:04:48.180
And we started
proceeding with our,

01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:50.910
our future courses
from that perspective,

01:04:52.410 --> 01:04:53.520
you know, and that's.

01:04:55.210 --> 01:04:57.360
I'm sure that this
was not a COVID thing.

01:04:57.360 --> 01:04:59.190
It could be a COVID
thing, you know, because

01:04:59.190 --> 01:05:01.890
of everybody being able
to go out and certainly

01:05:01.890 --> 01:05:03.420
it's way more popular.

01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:06.090
I mean, kids are going to
school online, which that

01:05:06.090 --> 01:05:07.290
was unheard of, you know?

01:05:07.290 --> 01:05:09.600
I mean, I'm sure there
was some college courses

01:05:09.600 --> 01:05:11.460
that you could take
online back in the day.

01:05:11.460 --> 01:05:12.720
I always heard
the commercials.

01:05:13.140 --> 01:05:13.319
Yeah.

01:05:13.350 --> 01:05:19.230
Um, but, but getting
into that is it's,

01:05:19.799 --> 01:05:21.450
it's almost like
sometimes you're like,

01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:22.740
you're so proud of it.

01:05:22.740 --> 01:05:24.779
And the other part is
like, well, why wouldn't

01:05:24.779 --> 01:05:29.520
people just come to me
and learn this well, but

01:05:29.520 --> 01:05:31.080
then you could reach,
like you said, you can

01:05:31.080 --> 01:05:32.970
reach so many more people
what you've done with

01:05:32.970 --> 01:05:35.279
the numbers for, you
know, the hunter state.

01:05:35.279 --> 01:05:37.830
Like I know there's an
online hunter safety

01:05:37.830 --> 01:05:40.529
now I'm old enough that
most places I don't

01:05:40.529 --> 01:05:42.750
go, I go, I don't need
a hunter safety card.

01:05:43.350 --> 01:05:43.560
Right.

01:05:43.560 --> 01:05:47.400
In fact, in fact, I
remember I took my twin

01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:49.950
daughters and my youngest
daughter to Kansas.

01:05:50.775 --> 01:05:53.085
So that would have
been a long time ago.

01:05:53.085 --> 01:05:55.065
They were just getting
their driver's permit.

01:05:55.065 --> 01:05:58.185
There were 15 and they're
in their mid thirties.

01:05:58.185 --> 01:06:03.435
So 15 plus years ago,
and I had not hunted

01:06:03.435 --> 01:06:05.520
Kansas previously went
to South Dakota, North

01:06:05.520 --> 01:06:07.905
Dakota, Texas, Oklahoma
mountain, all over,

01:06:08.025 --> 01:06:09.075
never hunted Kansas.

01:06:09.525 --> 01:06:11.625
So I go and you
know, there was,

01:06:11.835 --> 01:06:12.675
there was computers.

01:06:12.675 --> 01:06:17.145
Then you could look
in that long ago, but

01:06:17.565 --> 01:06:19.605
I went on there and
it said, enter your

01:06:19.605 --> 01:06:20.685
hunter safety number.

01:06:21.705 --> 01:06:23.685
And it said, or check
here if you're old

01:06:23.685 --> 01:06:25.995
enough, like, well, of
course I'm old enough.

01:06:26.475 --> 01:06:29.085
Well, I already
put my information

01:06:29.085 --> 01:06:30.945
down up in the top.

01:06:31.725 --> 01:06:32.145
I hit.

01:06:33.359 --> 01:06:35.040
The button didn't
say, of course I'm old

01:06:35.040 --> 01:06:38.790
enough, but it was,
and then it said little

01:06:38.790 --> 01:06:39.600
red line come up.

01:06:39.629 --> 01:06:40.500
You are not old enough.

01:06:40.529 --> 01:06:41.940
I'm like, what

01:06:42.839 --> 01:06:43.290
really?

01:06:43.890 --> 01:06:44.190
I'm not

01:06:44.190 --> 01:06:44.940
old enough.

01:06:45.569 --> 01:06:47.460
You know, they
didn't even have good

01:06:47.460 --> 01:06:48.600
automatic shotguns.

01:06:48.600 --> 01:06:49.589
When I started hunting.

01:06:51.210 --> 01:06:53.879
Anyway, turns out I
was like eight months

01:06:53.879 --> 01:06:56.940
too young to just
go to the state of

01:06:56.940 --> 01:06:59.850
Kansas and then trust
me to have firearms.

01:06:59.850 --> 01:07:02.310
So I had to take a
hunter safety course.

01:07:03.330 --> 01:07:05.370
So, yeah.

01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:07.440
And so my kids did it
in high school, which

01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:09.870
was great, you know,
at Boulder state,

01:07:10.170 --> 01:07:11.790
you know, we're in a
rural area of Michigan

01:07:11.790 --> 01:07:14.040
had boater safety
was a hunter safety,

01:07:14.060 --> 01:07:15.390
all kinds of things,
you know, they talk.

01:07:15.600 --> 01:07:17.580
And so I had to, I
had to do a hunter

01:07:17.580 --> 01:07:20.430
safety class when I
was like in my forties.

01:07:20.460 --> 01:07:23.310
Like I'm, I know
more about guns than

01:07:23.310 --> 01:07:28.049
you do, but, but it
would have been not

01:07:28.049 --> 01:07:29.850
really, not really.

01:07:29.850 --> 01:07:31.140
It was pretty
rudimentary.

01:07:31.200 --> 01:07:31.290
Yeah.

01:07:32.325 --> 01:07:36.555
Um, and the instructor
that actually that I

01:07:36.555 --> 01:07:39.855
know he's like probably
shouldn't say it, but

01:07:39.855 --> 01:07:41.445
I think statute of
limitations ran out and

01:07:41.445 --> 01:07:43.455
he goes, we're not need,
we don't need to go in

01:07:43.455 --> 01:07:45.075
the field for the field.

01:07:45.675 --> 01:07:46.125
Right.

01:07:46.935 --> 01:07:49.155
You've answered all
the questions on the,

01:07:49.275 --> 01:07:51.525
you know yeah, I did.

01:07:51.555 --> 01:07:53.475
But I think that a hunter
safety, I think that

01:07:54.165 --> 01:07:56.835
that is so cool that
that's out there for

01:07:56.835 --> 01:07:59.745
the kids, because it's
not going to teach you

01:07:59.745 --> 01:08:02.265
how to shoot a bird, but
it's going to drill that

01:08:02.265 --> 01:08:05.085
one or two things into
your head, you know?

01:08:05.415 --> 01:08:06.735
And I drilled
it into my kids.

01:08:07.275 --> 01:08:07.905
It's that?

01:08:08.055 --> 01:08:09.275
Where's that
barrel point.

01:08:09.495 --> 01:08:10.905
Where is that
barrel pool?

01:08:11.865 --> 01:08:12.135
And if.

01:08:13.740 --> 01:08:14.190
That's it.

01:08:14.640 --> 01:08:14.950
Yeah.

01:08:15.190 --> 01:08:15.339
Yeah.

01:08:15.540 --> 01:08:17.519
We told people, I said,
you know, if you violate

01:08:17.550 --> 01:08:19.830
all of the other safety
principles, if your

01:08:19.830 --> 01:08:21.990
fingers on the trigger,
you didn't check to

01:08:21.990 --> 01:08:23.250
see if it was loaded.

01:08:23.250 --> 01:08:25.319
You trip, you fall
equals bang, but at the

01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:28.380
very least you control
that muscle direction.

01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:29.939
You've got no
loss of life.

01:08:29.939 --> 01:08:31.559
You have minimal
property damage.

01:08:31.950 --> 01:08:32.889
Your ears are ringing.

01:08:32.920 --> 01:08:36.960
People are screaming
at you, but that's the

01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:39.269
fundamental of all of,
all of that safety.

01:08:39.389 --> 01:08:43.710
But I think for my, my
personal standpoint, and

01:08:43.710 --> 01:08:47.910
I'm, you know, I'm still
learning, but for sort

01:08:47.910 --> 01:08:50.399
of, let's say, talk about
online hunter education.

01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:53.189
I think I could do so
much more than what

01:08:53.189 --> 01:08:54.300
it currently does.

01:08:54.809 --> 01:08:58.170
I mean, we live in such
a litigious society that

01:08:58.170 --> 01:09:00.330
everybody's now says,
well, geez, like you

01:09:00.330 --> 01:09:01.559
look at the ERT members.

01:09:01.740 --> 01:09:03.720
Well, are you door
kicker certified.

01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:05.040
If you're not door
kicker certified, you

01:09:05.040 --> 01:09:05.939
can't get a good door.

01:09:05.939 --> 01:09:06.330
And right.

01:09:06.569 --> 01:09:08.729
Everyone figures, if
you have a certificate

01:09:08.729 --> 01:09:09.779
or some sort of.

01:09:10.830 --> 01:09:13.139
Piece of paper over
your head, then, then

01:09:13.349 --> 01:09:15.000
you're going to be
competent, proficient

01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:15.750
in what you do.

01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:17.519
Or maybe it's from
the other side.

01:09:17.759 --> 01:09:19.859
Now in an organization
can say, Hey, we've

01:09:19.859 --> 01:09:20.910
done our part, right?

01:09:20.910 --> 01:09:21.840
We've done our
due diligence.

01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:22.920
Don't can come after us.

01:09:23.729 --> 01:09:25.319
But what if they use
hunter education in

01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:28.559
a way to, um, to vote
and inspire people

01:09:28.559 --> 01:09:29.370
to get outside?

01:09:29.819 --> 01:09:31.859
And what if it was put
out in such a way that

01:09:31.859 --> 01:09:34.349
maybe wasn't necessarily
strictly hunter

01:09:34.349 --> 01:09:36.569
education, but that could
be a component of it.

01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:40.050
Cause any course that you
do about hunting hunter

01:09:40.050 --> 01:09:41.819
education, it's not going
to teach you how to hunt.

01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:42.809
It'll teach you
how to be safe.

01:09:42.809 --> 01:09:43.920
I'll teach you
how to be legal.

01:09:43.979 --> 01:09:46.469
But what about the vast
majority of people that

01:09:46.469 --> 01:09:48.240
go to school that maybe
just want to learn how to

01:09:48.240 --> 01:09:50.790
hike could be, have some
knowledge of the flora

01:09:50.790 --> 01:09:53.670
and fauna around them or
be safe in bear country.

01:09:53.670 --> 01:09:59.040
And I think if it was
maybe modularized and

01:09:59.040 --> 01:10:01.370
put out in, in such
a way that, uh, could

01:10:01.980 --> 01:10:04.410
attract a much wider
audience than the whole

01:10:04.410 --> 01:10:08.160
conversation around
hunting could be talking.

01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:11.040
Maybe maybe talked about
it in a different light.

01:10:11.070 --> 01:10:11.550
I don't know.

01:10:12.480 --> 01:10:17.610
Well, yeah, I, I, I,
uh, I kinda, I envy the

01:10:17.610 --> 01:10:20.160
kids that can do it and
not envy them, but I'm

01:10:20.160 --> 01:10:22.650
glad they do it, but it
would be cool if that

01:10:22.650 --> 01:10:26.340
class was just more than
just what it was just

01:10:26.460 --> 01:10:29.370
a little bit more like
almost like a teaser

01:10:29.370 --> 01:10:30.600
commercial for a movie.

01:10:30.930 --> 01:10:31.320
Right.

01:10:31.830 --> 01:10:33.420
So you're showing
the passion.

01:10:33.420 --> 01:10:34.550
Right, right.

01:10:34.620 --> 01:10:36.630
You're you're cause you
could, you know, you

01:10:36.630 --> 01:10:39.060
remember going to school
and the guy would put a

01:10:39.060 --> 01:10:42.600
movie on it was health
education, like totally.

01:10:42.600 --> 01:10:45.630
You know, but, and I'm
being obviously way

01:10:45.630 --> 01:10:46.590
off the rails here.

01:10:46.830 --> 01:10:50.430
If health education had
two or three minutes of.

01:10:51.405 --> 01:10:51.644
All right.

01:10:51.644 --> 01:10:53.025
Let's say soft porn.

01:10:53.055 --> 01:10:57.105
Not, not for two or
three minutes of like,

01:10:57.315 --> 01:10:58.635
oh, the kids would
be paying attention.

01:10:59.655 --> 01:11:02.835
Those students would
be like, Ooh, I'm

01:11:02.835 --> 01:11:03.345
going to be here.

01:11:03.405 --> 01:11:04.995
And I'm going to
be careful too.

01:11:05.175 --> 01:11:05.745
You know?

01:11:06.105 --> 01:11:08.775
So, you know, you're
a hunter safety course

01:11:08.775 --> 01:11:11.835
has to expand into like
some hunting segments,

01:11:11.835 --> 01:11:14.865
you know, some raid
ducks dropping out of

01:11:14.865 --> 01:11:17.055
the sky, the tailgate.

01:11:17.295 --> 01:11:17.775
Yeah.

01:11:17.855 --> 01:11:18.245
Yeah.

01:11:18.585 --> 01:11:20.535
So everyone says, oh
man, why can't you

01:11:20.535 --> 01:11:21.975
teach whatever, right.

01:11:22.005 --> 01:11:23.925
Oh, I wish we went
to the range on this.

01:11:24.105 --> 01:11:25.725
Like in the, in Canada,
in order to get a

01:11:25.725 --> 01:11:27.525
firearms license, you
have to have some basic

01:11:27.525 --> 01:11:29.115
safety training, you
know, but the laws

01:11:29.115 --> 01:11:32.865
and history and, and
actions and safety

01:11:32.865 --> 01:11:33.644
and, and all the rest.

01:11:33.644 --> 01:11:35.775
And they say, oh man,
we should have a, a

01:11:35.835 --> 01:11:36.945
live fire portion.

01:11:37.005 --> 01:11:38.085
And some
countries do that.

01:11:38.085 --> 01:11:39.345
Like Germany
will have that.

01:11:39.975 --> 01:11:42.225
And I say, well,
you know, each one

01:11:42.225 --> 01:11:44.625
of those would be
a barrier to lawful

01:11:44.625 --> 01:11:45.675
firearms ownership.

01:11:45.855 --> 01:11:48.465
Um, there are important
points that people

01:11:48.465 --> 01:11:49.275
can know about.

01:11:50.595 --> 01:11:53.505
But what if you instill
a passion, some just

01:11:53.505 --> 01:11:56.625
rudimentary fundamentals
and instilled sort

01:11:56.625 --> 01:11:58.425
of the drive to
want to learn more.

01:11:58.785 --> 01:12:01.155
And that's what
we try and do with

01:12:01.155 --> 01:12:02.235
our, our courses.

01:12:02.235 --> 01:12:03.555
Cause I mean,
we've got YouTube.

01:12:03.585 --> 01:12:05.625
You can learn anything
you want on YouTube

01:12:05.715 --> 01:12:06.645
or through Google.

01:12:06.885 --> 01:12:08.235
The issue is, is you've
got to sort through

01:12:08.235 --> 01:12:10.295
a lot of garbage to
get there, right?

01:12:10.605 --> 01:12:11.955
Where your course
is really good.

01:12:12.255 --> 01:12:15.315
This is a particularly
curated course for

01:12:15.315 --> 01:12:17.985
someone like it's curates
all of this information.

01:12:18.105 --> 01:12:19.965
It's not the only way
to train your hunting

01:12:19.965 --> 01:12:22.745
dog, but it's a proven
method that works for

01:12:22.755 --> 01:12:25.995
you and your friends and
the people that, and I

01:12:25.995 --> 01:12:28.595
think there's, that's
where the value is in.

01:12:29.325 --> 01:12:32.625
In online training,
condensed, curated,

01:12:33.045 --> 01:12:34.214
uh, content.

01:12:34.455 --> 01:12:36.825
That'll get somebody
where they need to

01:12:36.825 --> 01:12:38.445
go in a quick way.

01:12:38.804 --> 01:12:40.455
When you look at it
from a certification

01:12:40.455 --> 01:12:42.705
standpoint and checking
boxes, or I got to sit

01:12:42.705 --> 01:12:44.535
in front of my computer
for X amount of time.

01:12:45.014 --> 01:12:46.335
I mean, you're
probably like me.

01:12:46.605 --> 01:12:48.134
If I have to do an
online course, I'm going

01:12:48.134 --> 01:12:49.844
to go to the very end
and do the test and see

01:12:49.844 --> 01:12:51.585
what do I know and what
don't I know, right?

01:12:51.705 --> 01:12:51.795
Yeah.

01:12:52.214 --> 01:12:52.514
Yup.

01:12:52.615 --> 01:12:52.855
Yup.

01:12:53.054 --> 01:12:53.264
Yeah.

01:12:53.894 --> 01:12:54.075
Yeah.

01:12:54.075 --> 01:12:55.485
Just like we
were in school,

01:12:56.415 --> 01:12:56.594
right?

01:12:57.705 --> 01:12:59.535
If you want to be
somewhere else, I didn't

01:12:59.535 --> 01:13:00.375
want to be in school.

01:13:01.045 --> 01:13:01.335
Right?

01:13:01.964 --> 01:13:04.125
Well, I'll leave it up
to you to work on the,

01:13:04.125 --> 01:13:07.304
uh, the better hunter
trainer safety online

01:13:07.304 --> 01:13:09.974
school, and you leave
it up to me to work on

01:13:09.974 --> 01:13:13.545
the, uh, our, our tagline
is be a better trainer.

01:13:14.264 --> 01:13:14.384
Oh,

01:13:14.384 --> 01:13:14.745
I love it.

01:13:14.924 --> 01:13:16.184
I'm going to, I'm going
to sign up for your

01:13:16.184 --> 01:13:17.565
course and I'm going
to put links in the

01:13:17.565 --> 01:13:20.264
podcast or both on the
podcast and in YouTube.

01:13:20.264 --> 01:13:22.575
So anyone else who wants
to check it out can

01:13:23.684 --> 01:13:24.344
appreciate it.

01:13:27.480 --> 01:13:27.960
All right.

01:13:28.170 --> 01:13:29.520
Well, is there anything
else that we should

01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:30.300
be chatting about?

01:13:32.190 --> 01:13:33.750
No, I mean, nothing,
unless we got into

01:13:33.750 --> 01:13:35.790
like rabbit holes, but
you know, no, I mean,

01:13:35.790 --> 01:13:36.510
it was, it was good.

01:13:36.510 --> 01:13:37.260
It was great to meet you.

01:13:37.260 --> 01:13:41.400
I, I feel like we could
go onto mat together.

01:13:41.940 --> 01:13:42.780
I got, I got to go.

01:13:42.810 --> 01:13:44.850
I still got, I still
got a role in a G I

01:13:44.910 --> 01:13:46.860
don't like no geek
because I'm old.

01:13:46.860 --> 01:13:48.660
I still need something
to hang on to a car,

01:13:49.860 --> 01:13:51.900
but I feel like if we
ever bumped into each

01:13:51.900 --> 01:13:54.030
other, you say, Hey,
let's get on the mat and

01:13:54.030 --> 01:13:55.410
let's roll, you know?

01:13:55.950 --> 01:13:59.640
And there to me, like,
you know, the jujitsu

01:13:59.640 --> 01:14:02.160
world, that's kinda
like the hunting world.

01:14:02.190 --> 01:14:04.770
Like, there's like
a weird brotherhood

01:14:05.610 --> 01:14:07.530
totally is in general.

01:14:07.770 --> 01:14:11.580
But jujitsu is like,
oh my God, it is the,

01:14:12.030 --> 01:14:13.950
it's the best thing I
ever did in my life.

01:14:13.980 --> 01:14:15.540
I just wish I'd have
started earlier.

01:14:15.570 --> 01:14:16.020
You know?

01:14:16.500 --> 01:14:21.600
Um, well, I cannot tell
people like, couldn't.

01:14:22.335 --> 01:14:24.434
Th the last class I went
to when you said that I

01:14:24.465 --> 01:14:26.684
have, I, am I still in
it while I was out of

01:14:26.684 --> 01:14:29.565
it, completely for the
co the big COVID part.

01:14:29.894 --> 01:14:33.105
And I really missed
going, and I'm in

01:14:33.105 --> 01:14:35.445
worse shape now than,
you know, because I

01:14:35.445 --> 01:14:38.415
haven't done it, but
I can get that back.

01:14:38.415 --> 01:14:40.394
But when I went to this
class at this school,

01:14:40.394 --> 01:14:43.095
that's in my town now,
cause I used to travel

01:14:43.095 --> 01:14:43.755
to go to do this.

01:14:43.755 --> 01:14:44.835
It was an hour away.

01:14:44.894 --> 01:14:46.934
And, uh, which, you
know, in Canada may not

01:14:46.934 --> 01:14:48.764
be a long ways, but it
was an office on the

01:14:48.764 --> 01:14:49.035
road.

01:14:49.095 --> 01:14:49.455
Come on.

01:14:49.995 --> 01:14:51.555
That's just like
going to, it's like

01:14:51.555 --> 01:14:53.745
going to Montana, I'm
going to go to Philly.

01:14:55.095 --> 01:14:58.934
But on the second class
I was there and I was,

01:14:59.805 --> 01:15:01.755
I was really sucking
some air pretty good.

01:15:01.785 --> 01:15:03.345
You know, I was like,
Hmm, I can still

01:15:03.345 --> 01:15:05.415
remember how to defend
myself, but I wasn't

01:15:05.415 --> 01:15:06.855
getting very far.

01:15:07.605 --> 01:15:10.665
And the, the professor,
you know, he's very,

01:15:10.695 --> 01:15:12.105
very nice guy and.

01:15:13.230 --> 01:15:14.219
I can tell you
says, Ryan, you're

01:15:14.219 --> 01:15:14.759
gonna roll again.

01:15:14.759 --> 01:15:15.719
Come on, get
another partner.

01:15:15.719 --> 01:15:17.040
I said, hang on a minute.

01:15:17.040 --> 01:15:20.070
I literally being
my chatty Cathy

01:15:20.070 --> 01:15:21.030
onstage self.

01:15:21.030 --> 01:15:23.429
I said, oh, hold on,
everybody, hold on.

01:15:25.320 --> 01:15:27.000
I said, could some
of you kids bring

01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:28.380
your dads tomorrow?

01:15:30.630 --> 01:15:32.280
You bring your
dads in here.

01:15:32.340 --> 01:15:38.639
So I got someone near my
decade to, but I that's,

01:15:39.090 --> 01:15:42.299
it I'd say other than
dogs, bird hunting and

01:15:42.299 --> 01:15:45.330
people like jujitsu's
number four, you know?

01:15:45.389 --> 01:15:45.929
Awesome.

01:15:49.080 --> 01:15:50.820
Well, I think, uh, I
think we're going to

01:15:50.820 --> 01:15:52.410
have to get into some
rabbit holes maybe at

01:15:52.410 --> 01:15:55.440
another time if you'll
have me, but, uh, yeah.

01:15:55.530 --> 01:15:55.780
We'll,

01:15:55.780 --> 01:15:58.080
we'll go down the,
we'll go down to my gun

01:15:58.080 --> 01:16:00.900
stuff, your gun stuff,
martial arts stuff.

01:16:01.620 --> 01:16:04.320
Uh, we could touch
on ADHD cause they

01:16:04.320 --> 01:16:05.280
didn't diagnose me.

01:16:05.280 --> 01:16:06.720
Cause I didn't sit
still long enough

01:16:06.750 --> 01:16:07.980
to be diagnosed.

01:16:08.340 --> 01:16:09.870
And your other door,
we can talk about the

01:16:09.870 --> 01:16:10.860
Beretta that I sold.

01:16:10.890 --> 01:16:14.370
Nice over, under
like E L that a

01:16:14.430 --> 01:16:15.480
sold for 800 bucks.

01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:17.160
Oh yeah.

01:16:17.420 --> 01:16:17.690
Yeah.

01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:19.860
I think that'll be fun.

01:16:20.600 --> 01:16:22.650
Let's make sure we do
it once or twice a year.

01:16:22.980 --> 01:16:23.370
It sounds

01:16:23.370 --> 01:16:23.910
great, Ron.

01:16:23.970 --> 01:16:25.140
Well, thanks very much.

01:16:25.140 --> 01:16:25.980
This has been
a lot of fun.

01:16:27.150 --> 01:16:27.990
It's been a pleasure.

01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:30.120
I made another
new friend.