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In January, Wailin Wong interviewed Dean Carter, vice president of human resources and shared services at Patagonia, and David Simas, CEO of the Obama Foundation, at the Culturati Summit in Austin, Texas. They discussed the nature of citizenship, corporate activism, fostering inclusive workplaces, and more.

Show Notes

A video of this discussion is also available.

We're still taking your calls for an upcoming mailbag episode where Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson will answer your questions about workplace communication. We're also bringing in a special guest, Alison Green of Ask A Manager, to give advice! Call us at (708) 628-7850 or email us at

Further Reading:

Dean Carter on Patagonia's family-affirming policies.

The President Stole Your Land, Patagonia's campaign against the Trump administration's move to shrink Bears Ears National Monument and Grand Staircase-Escalante in Utah.

2016 article in Outside about Patagonia donating all of its Black Friday sales to environmental groups.

The Obama Foundation's 2018 Fellows.

Culturati Summit.

The Culture Book, Culturati's "practical guide to building incredible company cultures."

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