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In this episode, Tamsin Ballard, Chief Investor Initiatives Officer at the PRI, reflects on a pivotal COP30 in Belém and what it means for investors navigating the next phase of the net zero transition. She is joined by Jan Kæraa Rasmussen, Head of ESG and Sustainability at PensionDanmark and member of the UN-convened Net-Zero Asset Owner Alliance Steering Group, and Daniel Gallagher, Senior Lead on Climate at the PRI. Both guests were closely involved in investor engagement around COP30, offering on-the-ground insights from São Paulo and Belém.
Together, they unpack the shift from pledges to implementation, the growing involvement of finance ministries, and the rapidly evolving expectations for investors across mitigation, resilience and nature. They explore what COP30 delivered, and what still needs to happen to unlock the capital required for a global, just and investable transition.
Overview
COP30 marked a step change in how investors were integrated into climate discussions, with strong participation from finance ministries, MDBs, asset owners and global policymakers.
From São Paulo to Belém, conversations were more grounded in real-economy transition needs, with a stronger focus on:
Jan and Daniel reflect on why investors must remain at the table, how policy signals are evolving, and what COP30 revealed about both the opportunities and risks in a multi-speed global transition.
Detailed Coverage
COP30 reinforced that international negotiations alone cannot deliver the speed or scale required. Brazil’s presidency emphasised an action agenda bridging policy and the real economy, pushing for greater alignment between investor needs and national transition pathways.
Daniel highlights PRI's latest analysis presented in Sao Paolo on investment flows to the clean energy transition, yet stresses ongoing misalignment between where capital is flowing and where it is most needed, particularly in EMDEs.
📄 Related PRI report:
Investment flows to the net zero transition: Progress and policy needs (Oct 2025)
Jan details the growing engagement of finance ministries and MDBs in climate finance discussions. He notes progress on DFI/MDB reform, including more effective concessional capital, better use of equity, and improved currency-hedging mechanisms.
He also calls for clearer investor dialogue on perceived versus real risk in EMDEs, and the need for more peer learning on successful renewable-energy investment models.
📄 Related PRI report:
Who invests and how? Unlocking institutional capital for EMDE transitions (Nov 2025)
Daniel highlights improvements in the quality and granularity of NDCs, offering better signals for investors on sector pathways, enabling policies and investment opportunities. Yet, the gap between national ambition and global goals remains wide.
📄 Additional reference:
Investor Agenda – Global State of Investor Climate Action (Nov 2025)
The episode also explores the implications for institutional investors of breaching 1.5°C. Daniel emphasises the need for investors to strengthen physical-risk assessment, integrate non-linear climate impacts, and prepare for higher volatility.
He also notes the COP30 signal to triple adaptation finance, recognising the increasing urgency around physical climate risks and the opportunities in adaptation.
📄 Related PRI briefing:
1.5°C Overshoot Briefing (June 2025)
Chapters
(00:01) - Evolving Sustainable Investment Landscape
(09:55) - Unlocking Climate Investment in Global South
(20:21) - Global Transition and Investor Perspectives
(26:40) - Global Transition and Climate Investment Risks
(34:05) - Investor Responsibility in Climate Transition
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