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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Bible, guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Hey, everybody, welcome, Welcome, welcome, We're back. We

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<v Speaker 1>are back, and we didn't really go anywhere. No, but

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<v Speaker 1>we are back in what your phone? I guess most

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<v Speaker 1>people listen by.

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<v Speaker 2>Their phone, in your car, your on your favorite podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't say on my farm, your radio, No, that's right,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't say that. That's right in your headphone, could

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<v Speaker 2>be over your speaker, could be on TV. That's right

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<v Speaker 2>on your screen, on your.

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<v Speaker 1>Screen, that's probably the big Well, well we're coming out

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<v Speaker 2>So this last month, we've had sixty thousand and sixty

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<v Speaker 2>something thousand views over the last thirty days.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And most of them are YouTube, but there's like twelve

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<v Speaker 2>thousand views on the other listens on the podcast platforms

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, it's kind of neat. Yeah, it's very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>So some people are listening to us through their headphones,

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<v Speaker 2>others are watching us on a screen.

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<v Speaker 1>But well, hey, we're back either way to the Bible, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>We are in the middle of a series that is

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<v Speaker 1>really designed around the idea that what if Jesus had

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<v Speaker 1>his own podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>He had a lot of things to say, He.

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<v Speaker 1>Had famous quotes of Jesus. But before we get into that,

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<v Speaker 1>we have what I think is a isn't this a

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<v Speaker 1>brand news?

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<v Speaker 2>It is? It is it is. It's a hot take

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<v Speaker 2>showdown hot take show. So we're gonna take controversial statement.

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<v Speaker 2>This is gonna be a new segment. Okay, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Desire and A we're talking about this and I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is gonna be a new one. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>take a bold, confrontational statement statement, and we have to

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<v Speaker 2>take a side.

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<v Speaker 1>Either defended or debunk it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. Are you ready?

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<v Speaker 1>And we take number one. We can't go middle ground.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to go one of the other.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all in on one side or the other. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>are you ready?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Hot take number one. Breakfast is the most overrated meal

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<v Speaker 2>of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Go disagree. It is not overrated at all. Breakfast is everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody says that it is everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody. What does everybody say it is?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there's experts that say that it is the most

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<v Speaker 1>important meal of the day. Really, they will they will

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<v Speaker 1>say it over and over again. There's not a person

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<v Speaker 1>who does well nutritionists that doesn't say that, right, And so.

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<v Speaker 2>What about all these people that talk about fasting.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a different topic.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of people say the healthiest way to go

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<v Speaker 2>is the you know, the what is it when you

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<v Speaker 2>do then and fast? They say skip breakfast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but I'm saying of all the medals.

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<v Speaker 2>Literally breaking the fast, and they're saying it's healthy for you.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a terrible argument. No, it's terrible argument.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true. A lot of people say, don't eat.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you understand what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>You just made a c I'm saying, you made a

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<v Speaker 2>comment that said breakfa the run, and I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>And dinner, of those breakfast is the most important meal

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<v Speaker 1>of the day. Here's what you're saying. You're saying, what

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<v Speaker 1>about eating nothing?

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<v Speaker 2>That's not what I said. No, No, that's not what

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. Is you you made the claim that

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<v Speaker 2>all experts agree. No, I said most, you said all.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's okay. And I'm saying a lot of experts

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<v Speaker 2>say don't eat breakfast, skip it. Yeah, being lunch no no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>that this should be your lifestyle. No, no, no, no, that's.

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<v Speaker 1>What fasting doesn't just skip a meal. It skips like

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<v Speaker 1>it skips like a whole day.

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<v Speaker 2>No it doesn't. Yes, no, no, no, no no no. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah that They say that that's the healthiest of all

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<v Speaker 2>the intermittent fastings, and it's a it can become a lifestyle,

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<v Speaker 2>should be a lifestyle. So you should be eating three

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, here here's another thing. Here's a no thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You eat three meals a day. Americans like me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's right. Okay, how about this angle?

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<v Speaker 2>Then?

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<v Speaker 1>I think that breakfast food is probably is good. Is good,

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<v Speaker 1>The food is good. I've always wondered about that. God,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for this food? Right, God is great. God

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<v Speaker 1>is good, Thank you for this food. It's as if

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<v Speaker 1>there's rhyme, but they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Know anyway, It just looks right on the paper.

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<v Speaker 1>The point is is that how about this one from

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<v Speaker 1>the angle of why is it that breakfast foods are

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<v Speaker 1>like most people like breakfast food around the world, of.

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<v Speaker 2>Every culture comfort their comfort foods.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, think about it. There's really no other category of

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<v Speaker 1>food that the majority of all humans like except for

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<v Speaker 1>breakfast food. Nothing beats breakfast food, right. You know, Indians

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<v Speaker 1>don't like Indian food, right, A lot of people in

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<v Speaker 1>Africa that wouldn't like Sloppy Joe's.

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<v Speaker 2>So, but it is interesting. You know, you go to

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<v Speaker 2>restaurants for breakfast overseas and they don't do breakfast like

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<v Speaker 2>we eat breakfast. They literally call it the American breakfast

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<v Speaker 2>or a European breakfast, eggs, bacon, sausage, but.

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<v Speaker 1>They like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I was just in an Indian I was just

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<v Speaker 2>in India and I had the special order eggs. There

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<v Speaker 2>were no eggs, you know what they had. They had

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<v Speaker 2>beans and tomatoes and all these like like it was

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<v Speaker 2>like dinner, chicken meals, chicken dishes, beef Dishessould there be

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<v Speaker 2>another reason for it's it's how breakfast goes over there?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that maybe chickens are rare, eggs are rare.

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<v Speaker 2>They're everywhere. But anyways, yeah, yeah, so it's different. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>here's here's hot take number two. You and I are

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<v Speaker 2>in disagreement on the hot take number two. Cats make

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<v Speaker 2>better pets and dogs. Oh absolutely, I agree with that one.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's not even controversial.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's not controversial at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Why now, why why do cats make better pets and dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, listen, First of all, let me distinguish the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm not saying that people like cats.

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<v Speaker 2>More than dogs better pets.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just better pets than dogs. Right, So you may

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy dogs more. Dogs are hard to work, and it

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<v Speaker 1>may be a better payoff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my wife is going to be mad about my

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<v Speaker 2>take on this. One loves dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's but that doesn't change the fact that dogs

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<v Speaker 1>are more work work.

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<v Speaker 2>Dogs need you. Cats don't need you. That's why they're

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<v Speaker 2>great pets.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, So so better pets. Meaning like on dogs,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to bathe them. Dogs, you have to walk them. Dogs,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to clean up their poop with your hands

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<v Speaker 1>and bags. Dogs are You can't leave a dog for days.

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<v Speaker 1>You cannot ignore a dog.

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<v Speaker 2>They need you.

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<v Speaker 1>They go to Dogs don't ignore you. They dominate your space. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as a pet goes a pet owner. Cats

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<v Speaker 1>bathe themselves. Cats take care of it in litter boxes.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't smell anything. You don't need to walk a cat.

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<v Speaker 1>Cats don't need you. You could leave cats for days.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, come on, it's not even a controversial statement.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to agree with you. Now we don't have

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<v Speaker 2>cats at our house because my wife is allergic. But

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, so is my grandson. So anyways, all right, well, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>two hot takes, we solve both of those ones. You

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<v Speaker 2>and I are in a disagreement. We're in alignment on cats,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're disagreement about breakfast. So although although I took

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<v Speaker 2>the breakfast side only adversarially because I love breakfast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and I know you did because it was a

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<v Speaker 1>stretch what you were talking about fasting, that's not true.

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<v Speaker 2>I argued to your point that all experts agree with you,

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<v Speaker 2>and they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, then most do. Yeah, some breakfast is not overrated.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go. Are you ready?

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<v Speaker 1>I am ready? John, chapter talking.

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<v Speaker 2>About not being overrated? John? Chapter three is a very

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<v Speaker 2>popular and you know what chapter, and it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is everything that Jesus meant for it to be.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. So today we are in You know.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, you've done every single bad transition this week.

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<v Speaker 1>I keep on forgetting, which is why last week when

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<v Speaker 1>I was with Kyle and Wesley, or.

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<v Speaker 2>The two previous weeks, you're just not committed to me,

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<v Speaker 2>I forget.

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot most of it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not committed.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet you only did it one third of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>You're just mailing it in, be honest. So so so

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<v Speaker 2>today with the premise that, you know what, if Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>had had a podcast today's episode, Jesus would say you

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<v Speaker 2>must be born again. That'd be the whole theme behind

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<v Speaker 2>the episode. So is that a statement for late you

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<v Speaker 2>must be born again?

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<v Speaker 1>You must be born again? Ye?

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<v Speaker 2>So in John chapter three, we're just going to read

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<v Speaker 2>I think the whole chapter here, but it says this.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a man named Nicodemus, a Jewish religious leader

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<v Speaker 2>who was a pharisee. After dark one evening, he came

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<v Speaker 2>to speak with Jesus Rabbi. He said, we all know

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<v Speaker 2>that God has sent you to teach us. Your miraculous

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<v Speaker 2>signs their evidence that God is with you. Jesus replyed

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you the truth. Unless you are born again,

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<v Speaker 2>you cannot see the Kingdom of God. What do you mean,

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<v Speaker 2>exclaimed Nicodemus. How can an old man go back into

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<v Speaker 2>his mother's woman and be born again? Jesus replied, I

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<v Speaker 2>assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God

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<v Speaker 2>without being born of water and the spirit. Humans can

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<v Speaker 2>reproduce only human life, but the Holy spirit gives birth

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<v Speaker 2>to spiritual life, so don't be surprised when I say

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<v Speaker 2>you must be born again. The wind blows wherever it wants,

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<v Speaker 2>and just as you can hear the wind, but can't

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<v Speaker 2>tell where it comes from or where it's going, So

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<v Speaker 2>you can't explain how people are born and of the spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>How are these things possible? The Kademus asked. Jesus replied,

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<v Speaker 2>you were respected Jewish teacher, and yet you don't understand

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<v Speaker 2>these things. I assure you. We tell you what we

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<v Speaker 2>know and have seen, and yet you won't believe our testimony.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you don't believe me when I tell you

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<v Speaker 2>about eternal things, how can you possibly birth earthly things?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry? What did I say?

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<v Speaker 1>You said eternal things?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Yeah, I just didn't want that. This thing it

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<v Speaker 2>says earthly things, Yes it does. Yes, I tell you

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<v Speaker 2>about earthly things. How can you possibly believe if I

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<v Speaker 2>tell you about heavenly things? No one has ever gone

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<v Speaker 2>to heaven and returned, But the Son of Man has

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<v Speaker 2>come down from heaven. And as Moses lifted up the

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<v Speaker 2>bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so the

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<v Speaker 2>son of Man must be lifted up so that everyone

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<v Speaker 2>who believes in him will have eternal life. For this

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the whole story Nicodemus. So, first of all, Nicodemus

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<v Speaker 1>Don't you think of it that way. It's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>faires pharisaical pharisee. Yeah, I was gonna say pharisecal leader.

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<v Speaker 1>Pharisee leader. Really I thought there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's fair phariseaical behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, phariseical. That's the word I was looking for. Yes, correct, so,

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<v Speaker 1>but but yeah, you're right, his title is pharisee. So uh. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Admirer.

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<v Speaker 1>Admirer, I guess is probably the better word. He's very curious.

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<v Speaker 1>in an influencer like the apostle Paul, right from one

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, as far as yeah, Christ follower.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but not a devoted follower enough to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he doesn't leave being a pharisee.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but he voted against it. Yeah, he voted against it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well you know what I'm saying, right, Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying is like, he didn't become.

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<v Speaker 2>the Yeah, yeah, so is interesting. He comes to Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>at night. The daytime interactions between Jesus and the Pharisees

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<v Speaker 2>were always very antagonistic, Right, either Jesus is going after

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<v Speaker 2>the Pharisees or the Pharisees are going after Jesus. Almost

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<v Speaker 2>every day, it looks like, right, but then you've got Nicodemus.

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<v Speaker 2>He comes at night. One, I think he doesn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to be seen by the other Pharisees. Two, the day's

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<v Speaker 2>work is done. This is much more casual. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>the marching around the city preaching and healing, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>not the you know, all the rituals and rules and

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<v Speaker 2>regulations for the Pharisees. This is kind of a more casual,

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<v Speaker 2>calm space. And it's one on one. It's not groups.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not it's not Jesus group against the Pharisees group.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just he's one on one guys. So there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of respect. I think in this there's also little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of caution in that, but he's definitely impressed with Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>He calls him a rabbi, which gives him some respect,

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<v Speaker 2>which is very impressive because being a member of saying

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<v Speaker 2>he'd meant that he was a member of the Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus means I'm acknowledging you as nearly an equal here, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And that speaks volumes, And he certainly says, your miracles

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<v Speaker 2>have proven to me that you are who you're claiming

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<v Speaker 2>to be, right, And then he says, so, I just

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<v Speaker 2>think you're a good guy. And Jesus doesn't small talk

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<v Speaker 2>at all on this one. He just goes straight as

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<v Speaker 2>a yeah, let me tell you you need to be

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<v Speaker 2>born again. But and this is the first time anybody's

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<v Speaker 2>ever heard this phrase before, right, be born again? And

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<v Speaker 2>you talking about? How do you go back and be

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, Yeah, And it's interesting how he describes, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>being born of the spirit. And he says, hey, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>he says, you'll never be able to fully understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet this is what is required. And so Jesus's

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<v Speaker 1>statement that you cannot enter the Kingdom of God unless

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<v Speaker 1>a spiritual birth or excuse me, a physical birth, but

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<v Speaker 1>you need a spiritual rebirth or to be born born

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<v Speaker 1>in a spirit. Actually, really it's just born into the

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<v Speaker 1>you need to you know, and we use different terms

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<v Speaker 1>as well, not just being born again, but Roman says

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<v Speaker 1>to be said, which means to be rescued from your sins,

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<v Speaker 1>and so to be saved or to be born again.

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<v Speaker 1>Another word would say to trust Christ fully, to be

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<v Speaker 1>become a fully devoted follower of Christ. But basically it

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<v Speaker 2>Is right here well, Verse fifteen, even before that fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>and fifteen. Yes, he says, even as Moses lifted up

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<v Speaker 1>Which, by the way, we're going to teach at heritage

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, so I was. I've got a photo

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<v Speaker 2>So you told me that in Jordan is where Mount

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen hundred and seventeen hundred years, there's been various little

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<v Speaker 2>see Jerusalem. Right. So it's just it's everything, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>where Moses died. So an artist created this cross of

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<v Speaker 2>it sits right on the edge of this cliff, looking

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<v Speaker 2>of as Moses left of the serpent. So here's the

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so not but you can see it from a

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<v Speaker 2>But so the story that Jesus is referencing here, the

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<v Speaker 2>Israelites had rebelled against God. God is done with them.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just sick to death of these rebellious Israelites, and

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<v Speaker 2>And Moses goes to God, say, God, don't just wipe

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what Moses does he lifts up this snake

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<v Speaker 2>same effect on a spiritual level that that faith had

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<v Speaker 2>that by faith when they looked at the snake, they

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<v Speaker 1>Which goes along with him saying born again, born physically,

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<v Speaker 1>born spiritually, right right, right, yeah, which is great.

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<v Speaker 2>So then that leads into verse sixteen, which is where

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<v Speaker 1>that everyone who believes in him will not perish but

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<v Speaker 1>have eternal life. And then something that we don't read

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<v Speaker 1>hear somebody say born again, oftentimes that that particular term

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<v Speaker 1>was dominantly used by a particular denomination and and could

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<v Speaker 1>be a little by people who are just a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit pushy and a little bit quite frankly, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>a little creepy and uh and so so a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times when you hear that term, you're like oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're one of those people, right, and uh and so

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<v Speaker 1>so I always say this and and again people can disagree,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm completely fine with that. But when I'm on stage,

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<v Speaker 1>on on a you know, behind the pulpit, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of times I try to avoid words that I call

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<v Speaker 1>Christian eese because they carry with it just a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of baggage. And so when people hear those terms,

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<v Speaker 1>you might say, well, it's from the Bible. Yeah, you're right,

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible didn't give it baggage. People did. And so,

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<v Speaker 1>like secretary is a perfectly good word, but we had

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<v Speaker 1>to change it to administrative assistant because people gave it baggage. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>It's sort of the same thing. And so anyway, the

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<v Speaker 1>point is is that that's why I always like to say, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>if our goal is to reach those who are far

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<v Speaker 1>from God, who don't go to church, don't know church culture,

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<v Speaker 1>they have no knowledge of much of anything, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to try my best to speak in layman's terms, non

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<v Speaker 1>churchy terms, to make sure that they understand. So I

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<v Speaker 1>prefer to say, you know, you must become a follower

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<v Speaker 1>of Christ, or believe in Christ, or trust Christ with

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<v Speaker 1>your whole heart. Because people can get behind that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, those phrases don't have the same impact of being

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<v Speaker 2>a brand new life. You're right, those phrases don't.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right.

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<v Speaker 2>The other part of it too, I think that it's

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<v Speaker 2>that's a leftover feeling from the eighties and nineties. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think if you went and talked to a twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five year old today and asked them what does it

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<v Speaker 2>mean to be born again? They would go, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>when have you heard the phrase? Most of them will go,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I think I think it's a fifty

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<v Speaker 2>year old guy generation. It's a fifty year old guy opinion,

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<v Speaker 2>not a thirty year old guy opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's fifty year olds that listen to the gospel.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, Sure. All I'm saying is it's not all of culture.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's more relevant today to say be

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<v Speaker 2>born again than it was in.

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<v Speaker 1>The more relevant yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So it ebbs and flows with the with the cultural baggage,

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<v Speaker 2>but the baggage doesn't last forever. And I think it's yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I agree, I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But if I'm given the Gospel and there's only twenty

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<v Speaker 1>percent that might carry that baggage. I would still prefer

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<v Speaker 1>to describe another way, so that one hundred percent would

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<v Speaker 1>be okay with the terms I'm using.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, if you're if you're teaching it like we

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<v Speaker 2>just taught.

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<v Speaker 1>It, then you can and you can still say.

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<v Speaker 2>Explain what the what being born again means. It's different

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<v Speaker 2>than just the very phrase if you need to be

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<v Speaker 2>born again.

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<v Speaker 1>We just made We just did a series called made

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<v Speaker 1>New now made news a great phrase. Right to be,

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<v Speaker 1>to be to have a brand new life. Like those terms,

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<v Speaker 1>you can give the same connotation. You just have to

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<v Speaker 1>use more words, right, Yeah, yeah, I agree. And so

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<v Speaker 1>so you must be born again? That that's the phrase

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<v Speaker 1>for today. If Jesus we're doing his own podcast, he

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<v Speaker 1>certainly wouldn't back away from that phrase. No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>he would say you must be born.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm just a lot like Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>That's you.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't want to be like I want to be

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<v Speaker 2>like Jesus. You're more like Nicodemus. You're gonna come at

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<v Speaker 2>night and talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right, that's me. Wow, I can't believe

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<v Speaker 1>it ended up there. I'm not you know what I

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<v Speaker 1>am more I am a lot like Nicodemus, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a lot like Jesus.

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<v Speaker 2>Too, I haven't, Jeff, I'm joking with you. So hey,

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<v Speaker 2>there is a note. You know how we always like

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<v Speaker 2>to celebrate the life application study about it.

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<v Speaker 1>We do.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a whole segment in here on Nicodemus and

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<v Speaker 2>on his life, and it's really interesting how there's this progression.

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<v Speaker 2>He's afraid of being discovered at the beginning, so he

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<v Speaker 2>makes an appointment, comes and meets with Jesus at nighttime, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and then he comes away with a different understanding of

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<v Speaker 2>God and himself. He's acknowledging that Jesus does miracles. He

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<v Speaker 2>comes away going, wow, what is this? Be born again?

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<v Speaker 2>He's very intrigued. He doesn't dismiss Jesus. He wants to learn,

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<v Speaker 2>and Jesus really unpacks this idea. Well, then you wonder

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have any impact until you find out later on

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<v Speaker 2>when he's the one who He appears at the High

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<v Speaker 2>Council in John chapter seven, where Jesus is being prosecuted

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<v Speaker 2>and he speaks up. It's the first time we see

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<v Speaker 2>him speak up, and he speaks up publicly in front

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<v Speaker 2>of his peers, spending Jesus.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's from God, it'll succeed. If it's from man,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll fail.

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<v Speaker 2>Or is that Gamaliel, that's Gamaliel. Yeah, you're right. But

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<v Speaker 2>he raises this question of justice rights, so he challenges

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of justice and so it was overruled, but

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<v Speaker 2>he spoke up. That's a big step from sneaking out

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<v Speaker 2>at night to now publicly speaking in front of his peers.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when Jesus is crucified, he and Joseph a

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<v Speaker 2>Verimythea actually approach the governor pilot and ask for Jesus'

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<v Speaker 2>body and they bury Jesus' body, and then church history

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<v Speaker 2>tradition shows that he went on and became a leader

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<v Speaker 2>in the church. And so there's this progression from coming

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<v Speaker 2>at nighttime and checking things out to really hearing the gospel.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems to have transformed him. He has more and

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<v Speaker 2>more courage, and he keeps growing and growing and growing.

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<v Speaker 2>And so don't be frustrated with your path. Keep making

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<v Speaker 2>sure that there's forward movement. Just like Nicodemus and God,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll use you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's great. That's a great place to end. So hey,

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<v Speaker 1>hope you enjoyed that, and we will wrap up this

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<v Speaker 1>week tomorrow on Friday, and we'll see you that on

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible, guys,