WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:03.680 You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a 2 00:00:03.720 --> 00:00:06.440 couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in 3 00:00:06.559 --> 00:00:13.640 practical ways. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Bible Guys. It 4 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:14.919 is Friday today. 5 00:00:15.039 --> 00:00:16.480 Man, it's good to be here with you, Chris. 6 00:00:16.640 --> 00:00:17.679 Yes, it's good to be here. 7 00:00:17.879 --> 00:00:22.879 One in life is the fact that we have these 8 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:32.520 almost unlimited together and it just seems to never end. Yes, 9 00:00:32.799 --> 00:00:33.960 that's so funny. 10 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:37.119 In your face too. You looked at me and you're like, 11 00:00:37.159 --> 00:00:42.159 almost unlimited minutes together. It seems to never end. That's 12 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:46.439 really funny. We are in the middle of a series 13 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:49.920 called What If Jesus had a Podcast? We're covering famous 14 00:00:49.920 --> 00:00:54.960 stories and famous sayings that he would probably get asked 15 00:00:54.960 --> 00:00:58.960 about and cover on his own podcast. So we're going 16 00:00:59.039 --> 00:01:02.759 to talk about the phrase which is easier your sins 17 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:06.159 are forgiven question mark and so we'll get to that 18 00:01:06.200 --> 00:01:06.760 in a minute. 19 00:01:07.159 --> 00:01:11.719 But before we do that, it's everybody's favorite segment. Here's 20 00:01:11.760 --> 00:01:14.439 what happened is we almost had a riot last week 21 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:17.319 when we didn't do it, and then we threw people 22 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:19.959 off the last time we did do it because we 23 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:23.719 did it on Thursday, I know, right, right, And so 24 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:26.200 today's Friday, and so we're going to get back in 25 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:28.879 and give everybody what they This is like throwing red 26 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:33.439 meat to a lion right here. Love it. What made 27 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:34.920 Chris mad this week? 28 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:37.319 Well, Jeff, it happened last night. 29 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:40.040 Of course, and just a few minutes ago, just a 30 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:40.719 few minutes. 31 00:01:40.480 --> 00:01:43.959 Ago last night, and I thought about this, uh, and 32 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:48.760 it made me mad. But I sent you a video. 33 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:51.040 We actually go if you, if your local and you 34 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:56.640 live in Detroit. There is the Detroit Symphony Orchestra plays 35 00:01:56.840 --> 00:01:59.840 at Greenfield Village in Dearborn and they do. 36 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:02.200 It Grief of the Village for our listeners. Outside of Detroit. 37 00:02:02.239 --> 00:02:05.200 It's the largest outdoor museum in the world. Yes, Henry 38 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:09.159 Ford collected famous buildings. So he has the Right Brothers 39 00:02:09.159 --> 00:02:11.919 bicycle shop, the actual one he picked up, the building moved. 40 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:14.919 He has Daniel Webster's home where he wrote the American 41 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:18.319 English diction, Robert Frost, Robert Frost's home. He has Thomas 42 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:21.080 Edison's laboratories. Yes, all those kind of sects. This is 43 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:26.039 massive complex. Henry Firestone's farm where he invented the rubber tire, right, 44 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:26.800 all these things. 45 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:29.280 It's incredible. So anyway, we sit in the middle of 46 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:33.360 the field. The Detroit Orchestra plays the symphony and then 47 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:35.520 the fireworks go off at the end and then they 48 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:37.599 play behind it. And it's one of the most incredible 49 00:02:37.599 --> 00:02:37.919 things ever. 50 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:38.599 Yeah, that's great. 51 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:41.000 So anyway, we were there last night, So we get 52 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:43.840 there about six thirty. There's a couple of pre show 53 00:02:44.039 --> 00:02:46.599 kind of acts and then you know, orchestra starts at 54 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:49.400 eight thirty. So people are already you know, on the 55 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:52.879 field and it's bring your own folding chair, right, So 56 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:56.639 we are looking for a spot to set down four chairs, 57 00:02:57.479 --> 00:03:00.199 and we are looking and of course there's just you know, 58 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:03.039 like there's there's buffer spots, right, because you know it 59 00:03:03.080 --> 00:03:04.680 is right, you just sort of when you can get 60 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:06.960 there really super early, you set down your chair and 61 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:09.599 then as as people sit down their chairs, they sort 62 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:11.879 of like set it in the middle of the remaining 63 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:16.560 grassy area. But as it fills in, uh, you know, 64 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:21.000 tighter and tighter and tighter. You can't just have three 65 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:24.680 feet or five feet buffer spots, right, You have to 66 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:27.879 shift and you have to consider that there are more people, right, 67 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:30.639 because there's three thousand people on the lawn, right, you 68 00:03:30.680 --> 00:03:33.039 can't just have these five foot buffer spots, you know, 69 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:35.759 as people so people are I'm watching it happen. I'm 70 00:03:35.800 --> 00:03:38.240 watching people shift all the time. People are walking up 71 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:40.680 and they're going, hey, can you scoot down whatever? So anyway, 72 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:44.479 so Liz, my wife, says, hey, there's not enough room 73 00:03:44.479 --> 00:03:46.479 for us in this area, and I said, well, no 74 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:49.560 there is. But if that, if that, there's plenty of 75 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:51.800 room on the left side of this of these two chairs. 76 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:54.960 But the problem was that people weren't there. And I 77 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:57.080 said it was okay, just move their chair down afoot 78 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:01.240 and Liz goes, you can't move their chair down a foot. 79 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:05.280 You can't touch their stuff. And I say, first of all, 80 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:08.439 they'll never know. They're not going to come back and go, hey, 81 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:12.479 that wasn't the blade of grass. This was sitting on right. 82 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:14.680 They're never going to know that we moved it one 83 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:16.240 foot wow? Right? 84 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:16.879 Yeah. 85 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:18.800 Now, so before I tell the rest of the story, 86 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:21.560 would you know have moved it? 87 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:25.360 No? Why because it's not my stuff. So you're not 88 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:28.199 going to tell you get yourself shot, dude, it's a 89 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:30.439 lawn chair. Yeah, don't touch people's stuff. 90 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:31.480 Okay. 91 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:34.480 So I disagree with this, Okay, so obviously. 92 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:37.199 Because I mean, if I'm not touching your car. Yeah, sure, 93 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:39.639 I'm not touching your you know, your your child. 94 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:40.800 No, right, I get it. 95 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:41.519 It's a lawnchair. 96 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:43.800 So you get to decide what's important to somebody else, 97 00:04:44.879 --> 00:04:45.560 what's a value. 98 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:47.240 I already know what's a value. 99 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:51.959 That you are the arbiter of value for other people's possessions. 100 00:04:52.040 --> 00:04:55.399 Too nasty, two nasty twenty year old lawn chairs. Yeah, 101 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.680 I'm allowed to move them. And by the way, by 102 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:01.680 the way you move them, yes, But here's what I'm saying. 103 00:05:01.720 --> 00:05:03.720 Here's what I'm saying. The reason why I was mad 104 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:06.759 wasn't because you know, the right to move versus not 105 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:08.480 the right to move right, I'm not talking about that 106 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:10.720 because that's a whole nother debate whether or not you 107 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:14.800 would have moved it as another conversation. So here's what happens. 108 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:18.680 I say to Liz and to Steven and Toy. I say, well, 109 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:20.800 they're not gonna mind. I mean, we'll just tell them, Well, 110 00:05:20.839 --> 00:05:22.879 just tell them we moved it, right, because they will 111 00:05:22.920 --> 00:05:25.079 have been closer than to the chairs on the other 112 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:26.800 side of them. So I picked up and I moved 113 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:29.000 it probably a foot and a half, and I moved 114 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:30.959 both their chairs, and so it's obvious that they were 115 00:05:30.959 --> 00:05:33.639 a little closer to the chairs on the other side 116 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:35.319 of them, but it gave us enough room, just enough 117 00:05:35.399 --> 00:05:37.519 room four chairs in a row, because you can imagine, 118 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:39.920 like we only needed that much room out of four chairs. 119 00:05:40.399 --> 00:05:43.959 So we set ours down and they came back. And 120 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:47.959 I thought, instead of them coming back and saying, hey, 121 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:50.639 did somebody touch our stuff because it looks like they 122 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:52.920 touched our stuff, I figured I would just be nice 123 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:57.759 and friendly. You know, picture nineteen fifties, you know, nineteen 124 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:01.439 fifties culture right where nobody cares and every polite, right, 125 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:05.439 and so, you know, so they come back and I go, hey, guys, 126 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:07.079 I said, how do you doing. I said, I hope 127 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:09.639 you don't mind. I moved the chairs down, just like 128 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:12.399 a foot, just because we had to give ourselves room. Now, 129 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:17.600 this is what made Chris mad. Okay, if somebody now 130 00:06:17.839 --> 00:06:20.560 picture this now, okay, if somebody would have said that 131 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:23.279 to you, yes, hey, I hope you don't mind. We 132 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:26.720 moved yours down like a foot to make room. How 133 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:27.639 would you have reacted? 134 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:32.519 So you weren't there when they left. I wasn't there there, Yeah, 135 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:35.120 and when when when they got back, you had moved 136 00:06:35.160 --> 00:06:37.120 in on their space and moved their stuff over. 137 00:06:37.879 --> 00:06:39.199 I'm asking you a direct question. 138 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:41.600 I probably would have raised my eyebrows and not said much. 139 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:42.600 It just would have said down. 140 00:06:43.879 --> 00:06:46.600 Even though you're on a field with three thousand people 141 00:06:46.600 --> 00:06:50.279 and people are screwing for spots and I and I said, hey, man. 142 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:52.240 Didn't you tell me that you got there hours early? 143 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:53.600 Two hours early? 144 00:06:53.639 --> 00:06:55.519 So there was still some other green spots there? 145 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:58.839 No, no, no, it was there was. There was twenty 146 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:02.519 five hundred people on the lawn. Okay, yeah, so I'm 147 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:03.600 and I'm telling you there was no. 148 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:06.360 Route like like, these are not upfront anyways. 149 00:07:06.639 --> 00:07:10.519 Uh well yeah, yeah. 150 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:12.480 That's a big space. Yeah, it's a big space. Yeah yeah. 151 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:14.720 When I used to So I played in those concerts, right, 152 00:07:14.800 --> 00:07:18.439 So I did twelve of them, and when we were 153 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:20.800 doing them, we would have between ten and twelve thousand 154 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:24.199 people every night. So they were much larger back in 155 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:26.800 two thousand and three, four or five, right, yeah, than 156 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:30.800 they are now. And there was room for everybody. So 157 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:33.519 if there's only twenty five hundred people on that lawn, 158 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:35.000 I would have said, because I've been there many times, 159 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:37.000 I just would have said, sit a little further back. 160 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:40.040 No, no, no, there's not further back. I would have 161 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:42.480 had to go all the way back. Sure, so yeah, 162 00:07:42.519 --> 00:07:46.360 all the way back. Okay, so a foot a foot? Yeah, 163 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:48.040 so I just I just would have sat down. I mean, 164 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:49.360 I wouldn't have confronted yet on it. 165 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:52.680 Probably. Okay, so you broke something or put me at 166 00:07:52.680 --> 00:07:54.759 a disadvantage. Sounds like what you're saying put my family 167 00:07:54.759 --> 00:07:57.560 at a disadvantage. Okay, No, it wasn't disadvantage. Yeah. 168 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:00.519 Anyway, bottom line is is they did say they did 169 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:01.519 not react very well. 170 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:02.240 What they say. 171 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:07.199 The guy said, you touched my chair, and and and 172 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:12.439 then and then, and then the girl says, uh, what's 173 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:15.279 the big deal, It's only a foot, and and of 174 00:08:15.319 --> 00:08:17.680 course of course you can do that. But the guy 175 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:21.800 is like, okay, whatever, and he sits down, and I 176 00:08:21.839 --> 00:08:23.839 just think to myself, like, okay. 177 00:08:23.600 --> 00:08:25.439 He's sending the message to you, don't touch any of 178 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:27.920 my other stuff. That's she's saying, because he's probably planning 179 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:29.439 and getting up and going and getting something else, and 180 00:08:29.439 --> 00:08:32.440 now he doesn't want you going through stuff. Stuff. 181 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:33.399 There's just two lawn chairs. 182 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:35.639 Yeah, yeah, okay, that's all I'm saying. 183 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:36.840 Okay, I I'm. 184 00:08:36.759 --> 00:08:38.720 I'm I'm not not disagreeing with him. 185 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:42.200 Okay, I'm disagreeing with him. Okay, And here's what I'm saying, 186 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:46.879 regardless of whether you like this stuff, no, she said, 187 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:47.440 don't touch it. 188 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:51.039 Oh okay, so you're disagree with both of them. 189 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:53.200 Yes, correct. 190 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:59.240 My wife was in my wife amazing. Thank you for that, Chris, 191 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:01.039 and enjoy your drive home. 192 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:04.120 My wife. My wife was in your boat, which is 193 00:09:04.159 --> 00:09:05.759 you can't move somebody's stuff just wait? 194 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:08.360 Yeah yeah, yeah, well you're not able to wait. How 195 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:10.200 many people did you have to how many people did 196 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:10.840 you have in your group? 197 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:12.639 Four? 198 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:16.440 Okay? Yeah, okay, yeah. 199 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:18.559 So anyway, all that to say, I would not have 200 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:19.480 reacted like the guy. 201 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:21.480 So there wasn't room in the spot you wanted to 202 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:23.639 sit unless you move somebody over a foot a foot? 203 00:09:23.679 --> 00:09:25.799 Yeah yeah. 204 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:28.080 So anyway, all that to say, I just think that 205 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:30.919 that guy shouldn't have reacted that way. It's two nasty, 206 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:33.559 twenty year old lawn chairs, and I moved you a foot. 207 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:34.200 It didn't matter. 208 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:36.919 Okay. Well, on his podcast this week, he's saying, some 209 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:39.960 old guy come in and move my stuff. He was 210 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:44.320 my and his host he was not younger today, and 211 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:47.519 his host is like well, you know, sometimes you just 212 00:09:47.519 --> 00:09:48.440 got to move stuff over. 213 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:49.159 All right. 214 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:50.559 Well I'm in agreement with him, Chris. 215 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:53.039 All right, that's fine, and you know what, we can't 216 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:53.519 win them all. 217 00:09:53.799 --> 00:09:54.559 Nope, nope. 218 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:57.000 But I'm gonna go on record and wrap this up 219 00:09:57.039 --> 00:10:01.360 by saying, lighten up people. Yeah, it's not a big deal. 220 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:02.399 All right. 221 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:05.399 So were you was it a little scary for a minute? 222 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:05.559 Like? 223 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:09.720 Was he hostile? Was he was a little scary? Sometimes 224 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:11.159 people get paralyzed by fear. 225 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:14.720 First of all, he Oh, you're trying to do a segue. 226 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:20.519 That's what you're trying to do. No, he was not, 227 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:22.159 Nor was I paralyzed. 228 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:24.600 He wasn't scary. He was okay, because I was going 229 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:27.159 to say, sometimes when when you get confronted by scary people, 230 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:29.720 you're paralyzing fear. You know who else was paralyzed? The 231 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:36.320 guy Jesus passage. Wow, that was a long segment, Chris, Yes, okay. Well, 232 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:38.039 the good news is it's only a few verses long. 233 00:10:38.039 --> 00:10:41.360 And Matthew chapter nine, verses one through eight, it says 234 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:43.720 Jesus climbed into a boat man. This is like the 235 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:45.759 beginning of almost every story we've read this week. 236 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:46.799 He's in a lot of boats. 237 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:48.840 It's in a lot of boats. Jesus climbed into a 238 00:10:48.840 --> 00:10:50.919 boat and went back across the lake to his own town. 239 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:54.200 Some people brought to him a paralyzed man on a mat. 240 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:58.120 Seeing their faith, Jesus said to the paralyzed man, be encouraged, 241 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:01.039 my child, Your sins are forget But some of the 242 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:03.519 teachers of religious lost said to themselves, that's blasphemy. Does 243 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:06.600 he think he's God. Jesus knew what they were thinking, 244 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:10.240 which I love, so he asked them, why do you 245 00:11:10.279 --> 00:11:12.519 have such evil thoughts in your hearts? Is it easier 246 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:14.759 to say your sins are forgiven or stand up and walk? 247 00:11:15.559 --> 00:11:17.440 So I will prove to you that the son of 248 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:20.120 Man has the authority on earth to forgive sins. Then 249 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:22.559 Jesus turned to the paralyzed man and said, stand up, 250 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:24.799 pick up your mat, and go home. And the man 251 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:27.919 jumped up and went home. Fear swept through the crowd 252 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:30.200 as they saw this happen, and they praised God for 253 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:34.159 giving humans such authority. Wow, Oh, there you go. 254 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:38.120 I took the Life of Christ with doctor Ray Pratt 255 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:42.759 at Baptist Bible College, and he had an opinion about 256 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:47.679 Jesus that was actually very controversial and we had a 257 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:51.879 massive discussion that lasted multiple days about it, and we 258 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:57.000 and it actually came about when he was teaching this 259 00:11:57.159 --> 00:12:03.120 story and he said, Jesus knew their thoughts. And then 260 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:05.639 one of the students had said, well, Jesus had, you know, 261 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:09.000 the ability to know their thoughts because of his you know, 262 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:14.240 god like powers, and Ray Pratt says, well, no, he 263 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:16.200 just he just knew what they were thinking because he 264 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:20.480 knew their nature. And then and then the debate started like, well, whoa, whoa, 265 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:23.840 what are you saying like Jesus didn't have supernatural ability 266 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:26.399 to know people's thoughts and and then all of a 267 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:28.840 sudden it turned into a massive debate on whether or 268 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:33.840 not Jesus knew things. And and then doctor Pratt said, 269 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:37.480 so somebody raised their hand and said, well, wait a minute, 270 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:41.759 he has he needed to go through Samaria, right, So 271 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:43.879 so we believe that like he he knew he was 272 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:46.559 going to meet the woman at the well and Jesus 273 00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:49.320 said and doctor Pratt said, no, I believe he just 274 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:51.960 he needed to go through Samaria because he needed to 275 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:55.600 make a point to his disciples that he should go 276 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:56.200 through Samaria. 277 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:57.159 Yeah, I think too. 278 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:05.320 Okay, So doctor Pratt's thoughts were that Jesus suppressed his 279 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:12.399 god powers, and so whenever it whenever it's his omniscience, 280 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:14.360 so whenever it's. 281 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:17.360 So all knowing, all knowing. 282 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:20.879 Yes, so uh So whenever it says things like this 283 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:24.799 where Jesus knew their thoughts, I interpret it like, of 284 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.360 course God knows their thoughts because he's God, which means 285 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:28.679 that he. 286 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:30.360 But in your mind the logic of that, when did 287 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:32.080 it begin? When? 288 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:32.759 What began? 289 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:34.720 That he knew everything. 290 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:36.240 When he was twelve? 291 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:39.600 So so prior to twelve he didn't know everything. Then 292 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:40.600 suddenly he knew everything. 293 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:43.480 I mean, it doesn't it doesn't say it doesn't say. 294 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:46.200 So after twelve, it says that he continued to grow 295 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:49.919 in knowledge and in favor with God and man. 296 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:53.000 Sure, because but that can mean anything, can you mean anything? 297 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:55.799 So he would know everything, but not everything because he 298 00:13:55.799 --> 00:13:56.440 continued to grow. 299 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:58.480 In his notes, Well, okay, so if you're referring to 300 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:01.840 the fleshly side of Jesus, he had to be taught 301 00:14:02.519 --> 00:14:05.120 the skills of carpentry, right. 302 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:08.120 But he knew everything spiritual at twelve. Yeah, he knew 303 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:10.240 all the spiritual things. He just had to figure out 304 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:15.519 how to write in cursive. Yes, really, yes? Wow? Okay, 305 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:17.639 So I don't have a problem with him limiting his 306 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:21.399 knowledge because he also limited his station, his ability to 307 00:14:21.399 --> 00:14:24.799 be in one place instead of everywhere. Yeah right, so 308 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:30.000 if he's not you know, he's he's from heaven down 309 00:14:30.039 --> 00:14:34.000 to earth, the the expansive spirit, realm to a physical 310 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:37.039 body in a physical place, in a physical time. A 311 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:40.159 god who was outside of time now has limited himself 312 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:42.159 to time. I don't have a problem with him limiting 313 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:44.080 his knowledge because that's why he needed to come back. 314 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:47.799 I vague even then. I don't think it has to 315 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:50.440 be some mystical thing that he needed to go to 316 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:52.799 Samaria and order to lead that lady to Jesus. I 317 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:54.080 think he was leading people. 318 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:56.879 To agree where he went one hundred percent agree that. 319 00:14:56.879 --> 00:14:58.200 I have no problem with that thought. 320 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:00.320 And I and I'm going to say it's how I 321 00:15:00.360 --> 00:15:01.080 believe it happened. 322 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:08.679 Yes, well, I don't peasant, I'm a genius. 323 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:15.679 There's a callback from one of our segments earlier in 324 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:17.440 the week. Yeah, yeah, would you rather? 325 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:20.799 Would you rather? Okay? But the point is, the point 326 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:24.120 is the point is is that Okay, here's the thing. 327 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:27.960 So in this debate, I was very much considering everything 328 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:31.320 you're saying, and here's what I concluded. I very much 329 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:34.399 agree everything that you said. I have no problem with. 330 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:36.600 You know, when I get to heaven and we die 331 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:39.200 and we get to heaven and we learned the answers ultimately, 332 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:43.759 and Jesus says, nope, I had limited knowledge, I'd be like, oh, okay, 333 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:46.279 that's very probable, right, it could have very much been 334 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:51.679 that way, right, however I had I went home and 335 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:53.639 I did a study, and I wish I had it. 336 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:57.120 But like I literally looked up every time that Jesus 337 00:15:57.159 --> 00:16:01.279 seemed to demonstrate supernatural knowledge that goes beyond a human 338 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:04.159 and there was too many, Jeff, there's too many. There's 339 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:07.159 too many times where Jesus knew what they were thinking. 340 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:11.120 He anticipated, he had knowledge that he shouldn't have had 341 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:14.720 as a human, which means like, no, no, no, Jesus had knowledge. 342 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:15.600 He just had knowledge. 343 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:19.320 So my angle on that would be that Jesus walked 344 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:21.279 as a man in the power of the Holy Spirit, 345 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:23.919 and one of the spiritual gifts his knowledge. Well, then, 346 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:27.200 so why couldn't this so Well, you're saying his God powers, 347 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:29.480 and I'm saying the Holy Spirit told him. It's a 348 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:33.279 difference because I believe. And this is why Jesus says 349 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:34.960 to his followers, You'll be able to do everything I 350 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:37.840 can do, and even greater things. Jesus doesn't give them 351 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:40.759 any limitations with regard to what they saw him do, 352 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:43.679 not one, not a single one, except those ones that 353 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:45.960 I did in my God powers. What he's saying is, 354 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:47.679 under the power of the Holy Spirit, you will be 355 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:50.639 able to do greater things than me. So this is 356 00:16:50.679 --> 00:16:53.639 why he needed the the this is why he needed 357 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:57.519 his baptism. This is why he went out into the 358 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:00.360 wilderness to be tempted. And then he defeats him through 359 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:01.960 the word of God, and he had the power the 360 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.559 Holy Spirit on him. The Holy Spirit defend descends on 361 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:07.640 him as a dove. And then so then he enters 362 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:11.079 into ministry, and everything he did in ministry I believe 363 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:12.839 he did as a man under the power of the 364 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:15.160 Holy Spirit. So this is he was the God man. 365 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:17.640 This is interesting. So here's what you're here's what you're saying. 366 00:17:18.079 --> 00:17:22.200 You're saying this particular story, his knowledge of their thoughts 367 00:17:22.640 --> 00:17:26.279 could have been supernatural. But the only difference is instead 368 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:29.000 of him relying on his omniscience. It is God giving 369 00:17:29.039 --> 00:17:31.480 him what you and I would get as discernment. 370 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:34.440 The Holy Spirit right through the Holy Spirit. So that's 371 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:36.400 what I'm saying, is the spirit. 372 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:40.920 Gift comes through the Holy Spirit. Yes, So you're saying 373 00:17:40.960 --> 00:17:44.599 through the Holy Spirit, you and if if we're gifted 374 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:49.880 with the spiritual gift of discernment. Discernment is insight from 375 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:54.160 God that is spiritual or supernatural that isn't necessarily given 376 00:17:54.160 --> 00:17:57.799 to everybody else. So God gives somebody like a supernatural insight. 377 00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:02.200 And so the Bible literally says knowledge. That's the word. 378 00:18:02.400 --> 00:18:06.799 Okay, knowledge, Okay, okay. So so you're saying almost the 379 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:09.039 same thing. Yeah, it was, it could have been supernatural. 380 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:11.799 The only difference is it's attainable for you and me today. 381 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:14.160 What I'm saying is he did not have that. I 382 00:18:14.200 --> 00:18:17.039 don't believe he had that knowledge because he was God. 383 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:20.519 I believe he had that knowledge because the Holy Spirit 384 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:22.200 gave it to him as a man. 385 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:24.640 But you're also saying that that's possible for you and me. 386 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:27.559 Yes, yes, because I'm also not God. I'm a man, 387 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:29.319 but I have the Holy Spirit in me. Correct, That's 388 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:31.920 what I'm saying. So you're saying he did it because 389 00:18:31.920 --> 00:18:34.319 he was God, he would have those abilities, and I'm saying, 390 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:36.200 I don't believe. So I believe that he was a man. 391 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:37.960 As a matter of fact. That highlights it in this 392 00:18:38.039 --> 00:18:40.839 phrase that praise God for giving humans such authority. 393 00:18:40.920 --> 00:18:44.599 Well, so what's so interesting is nobody had that view 394 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:45.960 in Bible college. 395 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:51.000 Yeah, it's because they're dumb. So that's a students, it's 396 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:51.799 a it's. 397 00:18:51.680 --> 00:18:55.519 A new thought. So so side A was he had 398 00:18:56.079 --> 00:19:00.480 he had his god omniscience and God attributes. And side 399 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:04.559 B was, no, he had human intuition. And that's it. No, 400 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:08.200 you're saying, no, it was supernatural. But it's only because 401 00:19:08.240 --> 00:19:10.480