Optophobia

In our Season 2 opener, we meet co-hosts and deep state experts Muriel Woland and Clifford Hanger. Muriel discusses how she came to write the Deep State anthem in exchange for a couple of the Shovelmen's first-born. And Ford remembers an event from his childhood in which Gisele Bündchen saved his parents' marriage. And his foreskin.

Show Notes

In our Season 2 opener, we meet co-hosts and deep state experts Muriel Woland and Clifford Hanger. Muriel discusses how she came to write the Deep State anthem in exchange for a couple of the Shovelmen's first-born. And Ford remembers an event from his childhood in which Gisele Bündchen saved his parents' marriage. And his foreskin.

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Credits:

Liz Sanders played Muriel Wolland. Liz performs with Madeline, a Washington Improv Theater house ensemble.

Jamal Newman played Clifford Hanger. Jamal performs with Lena Dunham and NIXON. You can follow him on Instagram and Twitter at @hell0newman, and find him at jamalnewman.com.

Produced by Tim Townsend.

Theme music by Bart Warshaw.

Cover art by Claire Smalley. 

Website by Chance Griffin. 

What is Optophobia?

Optophobia is the fear of opening one’s eyes. Our show is dedicated to encouraging you — our listeners — to move beyond that fear. To solve riddles they don’t want us to unriddle. To investigate supposedly ironclad truths. To unearth evidence, buried for so long they believed it would stay buried. Each season we tackle a new investigation into what is often dismissively called a “conspiracy theory,” and each week a new guest weighs in. Are you bored by the lies? Open your eyes.