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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Good morning, good morning. We talked the whole

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<v Speaker 1>night through. Good morning. Good morning to you and.

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<v Speaker 2>You and you. Happy Tuesday, Happy Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy, Kyle, it is happy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a happy Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a happy good morning to everybody who tuned into

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible Guys. My name is Chris, this is Kyle,

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<v Speaker 1>and today we are your Bible guys. Because Jeff's out

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<v Speaker 1>of town.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's traveling. T I dot org actually should have

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<v Speaker 2>looked that up. We could have actually given people, say said.

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<v Speaker 1>Dot com you can try to Timothy initiative.

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<v Speaker 2>Just giggle it the dot TV tomorrow. That's right, dot TV.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, Hey, today we're actually in the second week and

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<v Speaker 1>second day of the second week of Dangerous Prayers. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and today we're talking about Moses and how he actually

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<v Speaker 1>had a conversation with God and prayed a very audacious

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of a out there kind of in prayer.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But before we get into that, we have a

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<v Speaker 1>really fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Segment Who's most likely?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, do you like these? Yeah? Yeah, sure, I like

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<v Speaker 1>these a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, all right, so we're gonna go through we got

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<v Speaker 2>five who's most likely yep and uh yes, So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna read these or we're gonna read them together. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>start with the first one, and then we're just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>discuss who's most likely to do something? Okay, first one,

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<v Speaker 2>who's most likely to show up late with Starbucks in hand?

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<v Speaker 1>Chris or Kyle, which, by the way, is funny because

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<v Speaker 1>that indicates that the reason why they're late is they

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<v Speaker 1>stop to get.

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<v Speaker 2>Starbucks right for somebody else. Yes, so I would say

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<v Speaker 2>you are. I would say probably historically more of a

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<v Speaker 2>late person, maybe just.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I'm no, no, no, there's no doubt I am.

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<v Speaker 2>And when it comes to cost. But I'm the Starbucks person.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know. That's a tough That's a tough one, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is, as I have a generic cuff yet

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<v Speaker 1>by hand. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I if I'm willing to be late to something and

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<v Speaker 2>I have Starbucks in hand, I think that's my way

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<v Speaker 2>of justifying being late.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, so let's go with you, which, by

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<v Speaker 1>the oh wait, that is pretty funny, right when somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually saw a commercial the other day where a

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<v Speaker 1>lady walked into the hospital and she's like, I got

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<v Speaker 1>here just as soon as I can. And she's like,

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<v Speaker 1>where have you been? She's like, goet her as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as I can. And she had a Starbucks the hand

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<v Speaker 1>and she goes, did you stop for coffee?

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<v Speaker 2>Hit in forty minutes of life for that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hilarious. So yeah, okay, we'll say we'll say you okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Number two. Who's most likely to fall for an obvious scam? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Man, are you? You don't seem gullible?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I think I'm the opposite of this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I when I first when I read this

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<v Speaker 2>before we started this, I was like, oh, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think either of us. But I did realize I did

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<v Speaker 2>fall first scam recently. I'm embarrassed to admit this.

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<v Speaker 1>Really.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So there's these golfers that I follow on social media,

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<v Speaker 2>good good golf. You ever heard of them?

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<v Speaker 1>Huh?

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<v Speaker 2>Christian guys, but that they just do golf videos on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>They're very popular among YouTube golfers. And there's Instagram. Mad

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<v Speaker 2>came up a few months ago, oh for like for

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<v Speaker 2>like seven dollars shirts. It was it literally showed video

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<v Speaker 2>with them. Since seven dollars shirt, it's good good golf.

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<v Speaker 2>Click on this link, and I did, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>holy smokes, they're actually seven dollars shirts and they had

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<v Speaker 2>this and they had that. So I ordered like forty

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<v Speaker 2>dollars worth of things, maybe fifty dollars worth of things,

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<v Speaker 2>and I ordered it and then it sent it like

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<v Speaker 2>when I when the order came through with some some

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<v Speaker 2>third party website, and I was like, oh my goodness,

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<v Speaker 2>I think I just got scammed. But before I had

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<v Speaker 2>even realized I got scammed, I'd sent it to several

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<v Speaker 2>friends and they're like after I'd ordered, They're like, bro,

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<v Speaker 2>you get like you really fell for that. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like I felt embarrassed later that. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>so somebody must have taken their videos, yeah, and then

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<v Speaker 2>threw the seven dollars shirt over top of their videos.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was a legitimate scam. But yeah, that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And then what happened to your money?

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<v Speaker 2>So I ended up having to go and fight it

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<v Speaker 2>with a credit card company and got my money back.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it was definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>And you didn't get anything in the man, no no no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>no no no, I'd still be waiting. Wow. Yes, So

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<v Speaker 1>that that's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I was. I was annoyed at myself because

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<v Speaker 2>I had. People were like, dude, how did you not?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, oh, I thought I found a good deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah I had. I had a lady called me

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<v Speaker 1>just like the other day, and I decided to answer it.

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<v Speaker 1>And she you know, you know, it's obvious she's in

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<v Speaker 1>another country somewhere. She's speaking in such broken English that

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even understand her. And she's saying, you've been

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<v Speaker 1>forgiven for you know, my kids have like student loan things.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, She's like, you've been forgiven for maximum forgiveness.

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<v Speaker 1>She's like maximum forgiveness meaning everything, And all I need

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<v Speaker 1>to do is get your information to sign into your account.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh And I was like really really, I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>can't even understand the English, and she's saying to me

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<v Speaker 1>that all she needs is all my personal information because

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<v Speaker 1>I've been approved for maximum for givens.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So unfortunately I think this one may be me.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate to admit that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right. Number three actually wait wait no you.

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<v Speaker 2>Read yeah, yeah, number three, who's most likely to run

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<v Speaker 2>for office? Just to prove a.

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<v Speaker 1>Point, Well, if Jeff, we're here, that be him, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no doubt.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we just say Jeff just because so why would

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<v Speaker 2>it be Jeff?

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<v Speaker 1>Well? Because number one, he would actually be smart enough

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<v Speaker 1>to run for offic Yes, yes, you and I know no,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's there's that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And number two, I guess he's just determined in some ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you ever hear the Did you ever hear the

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<v Speaker 1>story he told about like fighting the county for chickens?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for chickens, he told Yeah one time. He told

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<v Speaker 2>me there's a fifteen minute story. He told me one time,

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<v Speaker 2>like some gets together. I was like, wow, there's quite elaborate.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And the thing is he didn't even really care. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted to win?

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<v Speaker 2>Is to prove a point?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, because he was right? Yes, yes, yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that was funny. So so yeah, Jeff's Jeff's the

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<v Speaker 1>winner between But uh, me or you? I don't know, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. If we had to choose, i'd probably

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<v Speaker 1>say me just because people, Well that's not true either.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say older people have a better shot

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<v Speaker 1>at office. Is that true? I think it's true? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe yeah maybe? Or trust yeah maybe? Okay? Fine. Number four,

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<v Speaker 1>who's most likely to compete on Survivor and actually win.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy. So dude, actually, I do you ever watch the arrivor.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want to or something? Hilarious? This is remember

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<v Speaker 1>just as embarrassed as you were to say that you

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<v Speaker 1>fell for a scam. I have never once seen a

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<v Speaker 1>single episode of Survivor, okay, not one, So I have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea what Survivor is other than I think they

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<v Speaker 1>just have to have knowledge to survive things. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're stranded on an island. It's essentially stranded, and

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<v Speaker 2>you do different challenges. You sleep in the woods or

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<v Speaker 2>the jungle, and you every couple of days you vote

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<v Speaker 2>somebody off that you basically dislike.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew this voting off there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's that's where you get to the end

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<v Speaker 2>and then and then basically your peers vote who the

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, the fact that you even knew that puts you

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of me, I would Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've watched the show a bunch. For anybody who's

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<v Speaker 2>a Survivor fan out there, I would love the chat

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<v Speaker 2>Survivor with you, because I have watched. I've not watched

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<v Speaker 2>the last few seasons, but it's a show that me

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<v Speaker 2>and my family we enjoy. It's a great show. I've

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it a lot because I watch it and

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder what would be like to be on there,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think I could do a good job on

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<v Speaker 2>the show. From a from a challenge slash social perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest negative is sleeping and rats. I hate rodents,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of rats? I think that there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of wildlife roading like that, and where they're at, and

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<v Speaker 2>they'll just be out in the bout and stuff will

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<v Speaker 1>That's so so I actually already know it doesn't really

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<v Speaker 1>matter how good you are or think you can be

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<v Speaker 1>on this show. The fact that it's just outdoors. All

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<v Speaker 2>Sleep and I'm out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm out. So you know, it's not like I

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<v Speaker 1>can't sleep outdoors. I've done it. I've camped, I've camped

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground with sleeping bags. I've done the tenth thing,

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<v Speaker 1>I've done, the RV thing I've done, I've done some

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<v Speaker 1>of those things. I've you know, cooked by the fire

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<v Speaker 1>and all that stuff. I've done that, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>loathe it. I loathe it. I loaded it with every

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<v Speaker 1>part of my being. Yeah, I just don't understand, right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand why that's so unbelievable. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>what I think it is. I think it's it's this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of two things. Either number one, people love

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<v Speaker 1>nature and they love it, love love love nature, right,

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<v Speaker 1>feel closer to God, nature, want to be around nature.

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<v Speaker 1>They feel something about what nature does for them, all

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<v Speaker 1>these kind of things. I have none of that. And

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<v Speaker 1>then number two, there's like a primal, live off the

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<v Speaker 1>land kind of a thing, right that, which is different.

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<v Speaker 1>It's more of like a look at me, I survive

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<v Speaker 1>with a stick and a you know, in a hunting whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a little bit of survivor. Some of the people

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<v Speaker 2>that go on the show are thinking that same way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, So I would say I have none

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<v Speaker 1>of that either, right now? Could I do it? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>I think I could. I just don't like it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So some people go on the show and they literally

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<v Speaker 2>will last twenty four hours and they're ready to go home.

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<v Speaker 2>There's other people that will last thirty something days and

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<v Speaker 2>say I love this, this was great. And that's the

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<v Speaker 2>part where I'm like, you are a certain type of person. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you go thirty something days and you loved it. That's odd?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So I think that woul want to be

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<v Speaker 2>me but by default yep. And then last one go ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, this last one, who's most likely he become

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<v Speaker 1>Extreme ironing?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, First of.

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<v Speaker 1>All, I've never even heard of that phrase in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh have you no extreme ironing?

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<v Speaker 1>No? Now, first of all, let's just talk about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you like to iron?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't do it. No, I use a steamer.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm the only one in my family that irons.

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<v Speaker 1>but she lets me do it because I grew up ironing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I kind of want to buy an ironing board

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<v Speaker 2>and iron because you don't. No, we use like a

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<v Speaker 2>little steamer thing, but it's not the same. I like

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<v Speaker 2>when I go to hotel and I see if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>like doing a wedding or something like that, I like

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<v Speaker 1>Huh. Yeah. So my mom taught me when I was

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<v Speaker 1>And so I grew up ironing so weirdly enough, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>way is weird by itself. But I'm not kidding when

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<v Speaker 1>I say, like my best friend since the eighth grade,

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff Miller, he always knows wherever we go. All he

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<v Speaker 1>has to do is say, hey, I have six things

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<v Speaker 1>a he'ed ironed. Here you go, and he just hands

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<v Speaker 1>them to me, like if we're on a trip or something,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll make it. I'll make them look great.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome because I love to iron.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually I don't love it. I just I sort of

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So extreme ironing so most likely become obsessed with

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<v Speaker 2>a random hobby that probably would be you between the

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<v Speaker 2>two of us, and then extreme ironing for sure would

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<v Speaker 2>be you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I'm the winner of that clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, yes, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, well hey that was really random. Yes, And you

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<v Speaker 1>know what else is random? This prayer that Moses comes

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<v Speaker 2>It is random.

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<v Speaker 1>It is random. It's it's it's sort of like it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's never been requested before. And uh, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it's ever been indulged since then. No, right, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can say that it's random. It's it's certainly cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It is it is?

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<v Speaker 1>It is random?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, all right? So Exodus thirty three is the chapter

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<v Speaker 2>we're in, yep, and then twelve the verses twelve through

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three. Let's see your all right. Starting in verse twelve,

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<v Speaker 2>one day, Moses said to the Lord, you've been telling

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<v Speaker 2>me take these people up to the promised Land, but

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<v Speaker 2>you haven't told me whom he will send with me.

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<v Speaker 2>You have told me I know you by name, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll look favorably on you. If it is true that

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<v Speaker 2>you look favorably on me, let me know your way

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<v Speaker 2>so I may understand you more fully and continue to

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy your favor. But remember that this nation is your

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<v Speaker 2>very own people. And the Lord replied, I will personally

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<v Speaker 2>go with you, Moses, and I will give you rest.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything will be fine for you. Then Moses said, if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't personally go with us, don't make us leave

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<v Speaker 2>this place. How will anyone know that you look favorably

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<v Speaker 2>on me, on me and on your people if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't go with us, For your presence among us sets

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<v Speaker 2>your people and me apart from all other people on

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<v Speaker 2>the earth, the Lord applied to Moses, I will indeed

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<v Speaker 2>do what you have asked for. I look favorably on you,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know you by name. Moses responded, Then show

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<v Speaker 2>me your glorious presence love that applied, I will make

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<v Speaker 2>you all, make all my goodness pass before you, and

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<v Speaker 2>I will call out my name yahweh before you. For

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<v Speaker 2>I will show mercy to anyone I choose, and I

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<v Speaker 2>will show compassion to anyone I choose. But you may

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<v Speaker 2>not look directly at my face, for no one may

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<v Speaker 2>see me and live, the Lord continued. Look stand near

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<v Speaker 2>me on this rock. As my glorious presence passes by.

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<v Speaker 2>I will hide you in the crevice of the rock

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<v Speaker 2>and cover you with my hand until I have passed by.

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<v Speaker 2>Then i'll remove my hand and let you see me

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<v Speaker 2>from behind, but my face will not be seen. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the end of it. Yes, so let me read

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<v Speaker 2>that again. Then I will remove my hand and let

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<v Speaker 2>you see me from behind, but my face will not

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<v Speaker 2>be seen. That's verse twenty three. All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you want to know how churchy my church was

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<v Speaker 1>so so a lot of times when you preach this

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<v Speaker 1>in the King James version, and in those type of churches,

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<v Speaker 1>we used to call that the afterglow. Okay, so that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like the afterglow of God's presence. And

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<v Speaker 1>so every time we would have like an event after

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<v Speaker 1>like a Sunday like Wednesday night service or sendate service,

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<v Speaker 1>we call it afterglow. That has to be literally, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not even kidding. That is one of the cheesiest and

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<v Speaker 1>worst memories. Think about that. This is the cheesiest thing. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not cheesy for church people, right, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cool for church people in terms of like

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<v Speaker 1>the concept. But like, can you imagine inviting a friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Come after who does it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Hey, hey, we're gonna do this thing. You'll be

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<v Speaker 1>going so cool. What's it called. It's called after glow?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is it called after glow? Well, we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to get it. That's kind of a long story, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're calling it afterglow. Oh it's just the worst. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>but yes, that is actually such a random request, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let me see your presence, because think about it, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think that anybody well I'm trying to think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Jesus' disciples said you know, take us where you're going, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anybody asked to see Jesus and the transfiguration,

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<v Speaker 1>although they did, they saw Jesus face as white as

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<v Speaker 1>you know, bright as the sun. But I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>anybody has ever said, God, I want to see your face.

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<v Speaker 1>I could be wrong, but I don't think so. And

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<v Speaker 1>yet God indulged Moses. And you know what's so interesting

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<v Speaker 1>here is that God indulged Moses in his patience more

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<v Speaker 1>than once, because Moses said, go with me, and then

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<v Speaker 1>God immediately said I indeed will go with you and

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<v Speaker 1>with all of the people. And then Moses says again

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<v Speaker 1>right after that, Lord, if you don't go with us,

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<v Speaker 1>how will anybody know? Right? And God, it's almost as

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<v Speaker 1>if God, if I were God, I would say, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>you hear me? I literally just said that, I stutter,

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<v Speaker 1>I literally just gave you the promise. And and and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that sometimes we as humans, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>are plagued by past experience, like for instance, here's the

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<v Speaker 1>three and actually has chapter twenty that was the ten Commandments,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know after you know, of course, the

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<v Speaker 1>Ten Commandments were given after the plgus of Egypt, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, God had demonstrated himself in the plagues of Egypt.

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<v Speaker 1>He'd you know, part of the Red Sea. He had

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrated himself as the God who loved and cared for

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<v Speaker 1>his people to the entire nation of Israel, which is

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<v Speaker 1>estimately be millions of people by the way. And so

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<v Speaker 1>these people then are in the wilderness. And then what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Moses goes on top of Mount Sinai, comes back with

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<v Speaker 1>decide to build a golden calf. In Exus thirty two,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the chapter before, right, the chapter before, so

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<v Speaker 1>one chapter earlier than this, Moses comes down with the

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<v Speaker 1>Ten Commandments and sees Arin not just anybody Aaron for

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<v Speaker 1>crying out loud, right, his right hand man, who actually

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<v Speaker 1>fashioned the golden calf himself, and all the people contributed

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<v Speaker 1>from the community. It says, they took off their gold earrings,

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<v Speaker 1>their gold rings, they're go necklaces, they go bracelets, and

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<v Speaker 1>they and they heeded them up and they formed this

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<v Speaker 1>huge golden calf. To worship because they had no god

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<v Speaker 1>to worship, because that's what they were used to in Egypt, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they were used to worshiping Raw the god of the Sun,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, or or whoever it is, Haites, the

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<v Speaker 1>god of the underworld, or you know, all these different

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Egyptian gods. And so what do they do.

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<v Speaker 1>They form this gold calf, Moses comes down. God gets angry,

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<v Speaker 1>the tank, commandment tablets are shattered, right, and then and

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<v Speaker 1>then there's death. There's this big punishment where he actually

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<v Speaker 1>like grinds up the into it's it's just a long story, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but he says, drink it and all these different things.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's it's it's terrible, and half the

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<v Speaker 1>nation dies. And so then of course why would why

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<v Speaker 1>would Moses not be discouraged?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And so so he says, God, go with us

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<v Speaker 1>in our journey to the Promised Land. You've told us

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<v Speaker 1>that we're going to be given at land. Go with us,

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<v Speaker 1>And God says, I will indeed go with you. He says, God,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to go with us, right, And I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's because we're shattered from our from our past experiences,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, No, I agree. I think it's actually uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>when you put that context into it, Yeah, you see

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<v Speaker 2>why Moses is that way. And also I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>an even better picture of who God is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like Moses literally was a friend of God and the

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<v Speaker 2>way God was patient with him, and the way God

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<v Speaker 2>reminded him multiple times, Like I like, I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a few different times he says, I show favor, like

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<v Speaker 2>I see you favorably. I want to give you favor.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me see I will, Yeah, I look favorably upon

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<v Speaker 2>you said it. I think two three times he shows

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<v Speaker 2>favorite to him and he says that I know your name.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, And I didn't even say I.

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<v Speaker 2>Will show mercy to anyone I choose. I will show

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<v Speaker 2>compassion to anyone I choose. So I like, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's interesting he chose mercy, compassion, and anyone

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<v Speaker 2>I choose that it was not honestly when I first

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<v Speaker 2>wart out, I was expecting mercy and then judgment. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like mercy or judgment. Yeah, but he's he's say

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<v Speaker 1>mercy and compassion that I choose which are which our

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<v Speaker 1>close cut.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, but then the whole idea of yeah, looking

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<v Speaker 2>looking at me at my fate, my presence, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>even look me in the face. I mean, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 2>is that's really I mean, honestly, all I can say,

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<v Speaker 2>that's awesome, like that is such a cool like picture

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<v Speaker 2>of God. Just say, you can't even see me, you can't,

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<v Speaker 2>like you're gonna have to turn my back, and even

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<v Speaker 2>then you're probably still gonna have a hard time comprehending

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<v Speaker 2>the majesty of my presence. I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I memorized all of this when I was

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<v Speaker 1>glorious presence, Moses said, then show me your glory. That's

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<v Speaker 1>all it says, right, show me your glory. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>and uh and so God God grants him this request

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<v Speaker 1>and he says, I will show you my presence, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna I'm not gonna show you my face

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<v Speaker 1>because nobody can look upon my face. So so somehow

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<v Speaker 1>Moses hides in the cleft. It's another fancy where we

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<v Speaker 1>used cleft in the cleft of the rock, right and

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<v Speaker 1>and somehow God covers his face with his hand. And

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<v Speaker 1>yet we know that God is spirit, right, so so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, this can either be symbolic, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know it's not going to say covered Moses with

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<v Speaker 1>part of his spirit, right, so his hand, But somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>with God's presence he covered Moses's face and then and

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<v Speaker 1>then somehow he let him see the back of him.

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<v Speaker 1>So so I do wonder at times did God take

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<v Speaker 1>a form that Moses can identify with with hands and

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<v Speaker 1>with a back? You know? Was it more like a

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<v Speaker 1>like a like a foreshadowing of a Jesus form, right?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? That could have been it like the what's

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<v Speaker 1>it called when Jesus shows up in the Old Testament?

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<v Speaker 2>Christophane?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Christophanie. So it's like, so it could be one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things. But either way, Moses gets to be

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<v Speaker 1>a part of something that I don't think anybody else

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<v Speaker 1>besides the Transfiguration could even witness. And so Moses then

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<v Speaker 1>is seeing God's glorian So think about it. Man, of

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<v Speaker 1>all the people who have ever walked the face of

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<v Speaker 1>the earth, you know, Moses had that privilege because he

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<v Speaker 1>dared to ask.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that, right, Yeah, And I think I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad you brought up the context earlier of what led

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<v Speaker 2>to this, because I think that matters a ton, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was cool the way God was patient

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<v Speaker 2>with him, but also is just saying, like, ask for

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<v Speaker 2>my presence. And I think that we, as Christ's followers,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, isn't it so easy to get caught up

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<v Speaker 2>with the busyness of our lives and schedule and all

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff that we completely miss God's presence in like

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<v Speaker 2>everyday life. Even if for anybody who missed yesterday's episode,

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<v Speaker 2>Chris talked about going out and just being aware of

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that God is all around us. I do

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<v Speaker 2>think that there's like this thing we have in our

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<v Speaker 2>world where we're so busy, we're so distracted, there's so

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<v Speaker 2>much going on around us that we completely miss on

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<v Speaker 2>miss God's goodness. Christen, my wife, just started like a

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<v Speaker 2>year ago. She started doing this like thankfulness journal where

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<v Speaker 2>every morning she writes five things that she's thankful for

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<v Speaker 2>that she's I think it's gratitude journal. That's it, five

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<v Speaker 2>things that she's grateful for. And she says that she

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<v Speaker 2>looks forward to writing in her gratitude journal, and then

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes she even find herself like a knight or witnessing

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<v Speaker 2>something throughout the day saying oh, tomor I'm gonna write

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<v Speaker 2>that in my gratitude journal. So I'm like, man, what

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<v Speaker 2>a cool perspective that, Like, you're always looking for things

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<v Speaker 2>God's presence, things that'd be grateful for. And I love that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you mentioned that, Moses wasn't afraid to ask God

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<v Speaker 2>like show me your glory, show me your presence. I

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<v Speaker 2>want to see it, and it is in. God granted

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<v Speaker 2>it because that God knew he needed to see that.

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<v Speaker 2>He needed, like you said, like a pick me up

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<v Speaker 2>to remember, like, hey, I'm with you. You need this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think that. I think that it's also

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<v Speaker 1>a demonstration, like you said you said earlier, that's also

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<v Speaker 1>a picture of who God is. Because God was so

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<v Speaker 1>patient in his response to Moses. You know, instead of

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<v Speaker 1>saying did I stutter? God says, yes, let me reassure

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<v Speaker 1>you the same exact thing, and then he goes even

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<v Speaker 1>this step further. He says the same thing to Moses, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll go with you, and then he goes further and says,

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<v Speaker 1>I look favorably upon you, and I know you by name.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that there's something very personal about that,

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<v Speaker 1>where God is trying to let Moses know like, you

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<v Speaker 1>are seen, you are appreciated. I've asked you to do everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have done it. You've been my faithful servant.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, of course Moses has gone through a heck

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<v Speaker 1>of a journey, right, and he's about to go through

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<v Speaker 1>a heck of a lot worst journey, right. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, forty years of everything else, right, So it's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not always easy. But yet what God

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<v Speaker 1>is saying is is you are seen, you are loved,

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<v Speaker 1>you are faithful, you are favored, and I know you

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<v Speaker 1>by name. And I think that that is so unbelievably

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<v Speaker 1>important for us to remember that God knows us by name.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Bible promises to every single one of us

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<v Speaker 1>today that it says, actually that God knows the number

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<v Speaker 1>of hairs that are on your head, and for me

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<v Speaker 1>that gets less and less everything. Yeah, and so that

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<v Speaker 1>number constantly changes. But He knows the number of hairs

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<v Speaker 1>that are in your head. He knows the Boble says

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<v Speaker 1>in the New Testament. He knows our hearts better than

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<v Speaker 1>we know ourselves. He knows the depths of who we are.

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<v Speaker 1>He knows our every single part of human nature. The

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<v Speaker 1>Bible reveals that that that God has this insight more

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<v Speaker 1>than we even do ourselves. And God knows us by name,

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<v Speaker 1>and he loves us, and he still accepts us and

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<v Speaker 1>values us in spite of our sin, in spite of

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<v Speaker 1>our discouragement, in spite of our you know, rebellion. I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to say cynicism, right, I mean, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things have happened in our nation even that are

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<v Speaker 1>pretty discouraging, right, And I mean that's an understatement, right.

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<v Speaker 1>When I say pretty discouraging, I mean very discouraging. And

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<v Speaker 1>if and if not careful, you could let yourself just

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<v Speaker 1>go down that rabbit hole and say the whole world

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<v Speaker 1>is this way. And in some ways it kind of is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what the Bible says, right, the world's gonna get worse.

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<v Speaker 1>But in a lot of ways we have to realize that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sometimes you know, one action doesn't speak for

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<v Speaker 1>the majority of the human race, right, So I think

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<v Speaker 1>that sometimes we think it does. I don't think it does.

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<v Speaker 1>We know that the world's getting worse in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of ways. But all I'm really trying to say is

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<v Speaker 1>the perspective is Moses is letting the tragedies of the

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<v Speaker 1>nation and the discouragement of of of these, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>atrocities in the past keep him from believing, keep him

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<v Speaker 1>from having faith, keep him from trusting in God fully

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<v Speaker 1>and so and so that's why he says, God, if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't go with us, and God's like I just said,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going with you. So it's like, you know, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter how to discourage you are, and you have reason

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<v Speaker 1>to be Believe me, I'm not making light of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it's incredibly discouraging. I do think that what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to say is God's presence is still with us.

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<v Speaker 1>God's promises are still the same. God's you know, reliability

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<v Speaker 1>and dependability are just as strong, right, and so no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what you're going through, no matter how discourage you are,

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<v Speaker 1>just know that God's promises are still just as true

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<v Speaker 1>today as they've ever been.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Good, great's great, dude, great truth right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right there? All right, Well, hey, that is our

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<v Speaker 1>time for sure, So we will see you hopefully next

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<v Speaker 1>time on the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, see it