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https://app.podscribe.ai/episode/52167456Speaker 0 (0s): <inaudible> welcome back everybody. It's so nice to see you, at least as nice to close my eyes and imagine that you guys are having a good day. I love you are welcome back in the podcast. You know, we are doing today. Do you guys know what we're doing today? We're moving back to an old classic, a little spot law it on to law school with Joseph Campbell, we were working on what it means to be a hero.
Well, working on the heroes journey. Everybody are you on that? Journey if you're listening to this, you've probably on that journey. Lets face it. You have probably already hero. I mean, if were being honest with ourselves, you guys are probably thinking, you know what? George you're a hero podcast is a hero.
C'mon let me do it. This guy that sounds kind of creepy. Might have to turn this thing off. Don't do that. Don't turn it off and done being crazy at at least for a minute or two truth is we're going to get into some Heroes stuff. Right? What is a hero? Here's a quote from mr. Dr. Martin Luther King jr. For 1963. A hero is someone who has given his or her life to something bigger than oneself.
How about this idea of a hero Otto rank declares that everyone is a hero in birth or he undergoes a tremendous transformation from the condition of a little water creature, living in a realm of amniotic fluid, into an air breathing mammal, which ultimately will be standing. How about a woman who gives birth giving birth has definitely a heroic Dede in that it is the giving over of oneself to the life of another.
How about the old Prometheus's? The fire theft is a universal mythic theme. Promethium brings fire to mankind and consequently civilization. There is a one of my favorite books by a Miguel Servantez. Does anyone really think Miguel Servon wrote donkey Hodie in the 12 hundreds. I have
Speaker 1 (3m 0s): You guys read that book. It reads like it was written today. Something going on there, Don Quixote rode out to encounter giants, but instead of giants, his environment produced windmills. This mechanistic environment is no longer spiritually responsive to the hero, but Don Quixote was a hero. Nonetheless. How about Daedalus and Icarus people talk more about Icarus than about Daedalus as though the wings themselves had been responsible for the young astronauts fall, but that is no case against industry in science.
Poor Icarus fell under the water, but Daedalus who flew the middle way. Succeeded in getting to the other shore. Moses Moses is a sens, the mountain he meets with Yar away on the summit and he comes back with rules for formation, have a whole society. That That is a typical hero act departure, fulfillment returned.
How about the Buddha? The Buddha follows the path very much like That of Christ only of course the Buddha lived 500 years earlier. You know, you can match these two, save your figure's right down the line, even to the role and characters of their immediate disciples. Do you guys know that? Where do you think so far? You've got some Heroes that you're thinking of. You got somebody in your life. That's a hero. I think it was Plato who said the soul is a circle.
I drew a horizontal line across the circle to represent the line of separation of the conscious and the unconscious, the.in the center of the circle below the horizontal line represents the center from which all our energy comes above. The horizontal line is the ego represented as a square. That aspect of our consciousness that we identify as our center, but it's very off center.
We think this is what is running the show, but it isn't so good.
Speaker 2 (5m 19s): Is this new escape don't make me destroy yourself to the dark side.
Speaker 1 (5m 27s): What about Darth Vader? What do you guys think is Darth Vader or a hero or is Luke Skywalker? The hero? Are they both are heroes? What do you think? Okay my friends without any further ado, let's get into this idea of the hero's journey, the hero's adventure with Joseph Campbell. So mr. Joseph Campbell, why are there so many stories of the hero in mythology, Joseph Campbell, because that's, what's worth writing about even in popular novels, the main character is a hero or heroine who has found or done something beyond the normal range of achievement and experience.
A hero is someone who has given his or her life to something bigger than oneself. So in all of these cultures, whatever the local costumed, the hero might be waring, what is the deed with Joseph Campbell? Well there are two types of deed. One is the physical Dede in which the hero performs a courageous act in battle or saves a life. The other kind is the spiritual Dede in which the hero learns to experience the super normal range of human spiritual life.
And then comes back with a message. The usual hero adventure begins with someone from whom something has been taken or who feels there's something lacking in the normal experience is available or permitted to the members of his society. This person then takes off on a series of adventures beyond the ordinary, either to recover what has been lost or to discover some life giving elixir.
It's usually a cycle, a going and a returning, but the structure and something of the spiritual sense of this adventure can be seen already anticipated in the puberty or initiation rituals of early tribal societies through which a child is compelled to give up its childhood and become an adult to di you might say to its tile, personality and psychi, and come back as a responsible adult.
This is a fundamental psychological transformation that everyone must undergo. We are in childhood, in a condition of dependency under someone's protection and supervision for some 14 to 21 years. And if you're going on for your PhD, this may continue to perhaps 35. You are in no way a self-responsible free agent, but an obedient dependent expecting and receiving punishments and rewards to evolve out of this position of psychological immaturity, to the courage of self-responsibility and assurance requires a death and a resurrection.
That is the basic motif of the universal hero's journey, leaving one condition and finding the source of life to bring you forth into a richer or mature conditions. So even if we happened not to be Heroes in the grand sense of redeeming society, we still have to take that journey inside ourselves, spiritually and psychologically Joseph Campbell that's right.
Otto rank in his important little book, the myth of the birth of the hero declares that everyone is a hero in birth where he undergoes a tremendous psychological as well as physical transformation from the condition of a little water creature, living in the realm of amniotic fluid, into an air breathing mammal, which ultimately will be standing and controlling his own life. That's an enormous transformation.
And had it been consciously undertaken, it would have been indeed a heroic act. And there was a heroic act on the mothers part as well, who has brought this child in to the world. Then you are saying Heroes are not all men, Joseph Campbell. Oh no, not, not even close. The male usually has the more conspicuous role just because of the conditions of life. He is out there in the world.
And the woman is in the home. But among the Aztecs, for example, who had a number of heavens to which people souls would be assigned according to the conditions of their death, the heaven for warriors killed in battle was the same for mothers who died in childbirth. Giving birth has definitely a heroic Dede in that it is the giving over of oneself to the life of another don't you think we've lost that truth in this society of ours, where it's deemed more heroic to go out and into the world and make a lot of money than it is to raise children.
Joseph Campbell, making money gets more advertisement. You know the old saying, if a dog bites a man, that's not a story, but if a man by it's a dog, you've got a story there. So the thing that happens and happens and happens no matter how heroic it may be is not news. Motherhood has lost its novelty. You might say that's a wonderful image though.
The mother, as a hero, Joseph Campbell, it has always seemed to me. That's something I learned from reading these myths. It's a journey. Then you have to move out of the known conventional safety of your life to undertake this. Would you say that's accurate Joseph, Joseph Campbell. Yes. You have to be transformed from a maiden to a mother. That's a big change involving many dangers.
And when you come back from your journey with the child, you've brought something for the world. Joseph Campbell, not only have you brought something for the world, you've got a life job ahead of you. Auto rank makes the point that there's a world of people who think that their heroic act in being born, qualifies them for the respect and support of their whole community. But there's still a journey to be taken after that. Joseph Campbell, there's a large Journey to be taken.
I have many trials. What is the significance of the trials and tests and ordeals of the hero, Joseph Campbell, if you want to put it in terms of intentions, the trials are designed to, to it that the intending Heroes should be right. It really is a hero. Is he really a match for this task? Can he overcome the dangerous? Does he have the courage, the knowledge, the capacity to enable him to serve in today's culture of easy religion, cheaply achieved?
It seems to me, we have forgotten that all three of the great religions teach at the trials of The Heroes Journey are a significant part of life, that there is no reward without renunciation, without paying the price. The Qur'an says, do you think that you shall enter the garden of bliss without such trials as came to those who passed before you and Jesus said in the gospel of Matthew, great is the gate and narrow is the way which leadeth to life in a few words, is there a B to find it?
And the Heroes of the Jewish tradition undergo great tests before they arrive at their redemption, Joseph Campbell. If you realize what the real problem is, losing yourself, giving yourself to some higher end or to another, you realize that this itself is the ultimate trial. Will it be quick? The thinking primarily about ourselves and our own self preservation, we undergo a truly heroic transformation of consciousness and what all the myths have to deal with is transformations of consciousness of one kind or another.
You have been thinking one way, you now have to think a different way. How has consciousness transformed Joseph Campbell either by the trials themselves or by illuminating revelations, trials and revelations, or what life is all about? Isn't there a moment of redemption in all of these stories, the woman is saved from the dragon. The city is spared from obliteration. The hero is snatched from danger in the Nick of time, Joseph Campbell.
Well, yes, that would be nice. He road deed, unless there were an achievement, we can have the hero who fails, but he's usually represented as a kind of clown. Someone pretending to more than you can achieve. How has a hero different from a leader that is it. Problem Tolstoy dealt with in war and peace. Here, you have Napoleon ravaging, Europe, and now about to invade Russia and told story raises the question.
Is the leader really as a leader or is he simply the one out in front, on a wave in psychological terms, the leader might be analyzed as the one who perceives what could be achieved. And did it. It has been said that a leader is someone who discerned the inevitable got in front of it. Napoleon was a leader, but he wasn't a hero in the sense that what he accomplished, it was grand for humanity's sake and was for France, was for the glory of France, Joseph Campbell, that he is a French hero.
Is he not? This is the problem for today is the hero of a given state or people. What we need today when the whole planet should be our field of concern. Napoleon is the 19th century counterpart of Hitler in the 20th Napoleon's ravaging of Europe was horrific. So you could be a local God and fail the test on a larger cosmic level, Joseph Campbell. Yes. Or you could be a local God, but for the people whom that local God conquered, you would be the enemy.
Whether you call someone a hero or a monster is all relative to where the focus of your consciousness, maybe. So we have to be careful not to call a deed, heroic, Wynn in a larger mythological sense. It simply doesn't work that way. Joseph Campbell, well, I don't know. The deed could be absolutely a heroic deed if a person giving his life for his own people, for example, Oh, I see the German soldier who dies.
Joseph Campbell. Yes. The German soldier who dies is as much a hero as the American who was sent over there to kill him. So does heroism have a moral objective? Joseph Campbell? The moral objective is that of saving a people are saving a person or supporting an idea, the hero sacrifices himself for something that's the morality of it. Now from another position, of course you might say that the idea for which he sacrificed himself was something that should not have been respected.
That's a judgment from the other side, but it doesn't destroy the intrinsic heroism of the deed performed. That's a different angle on Heroes from what I got as a young man, when I read the story of promethium, we're going after fire and bringing it back, benefiting humanity and suffering for It Joseph Campbell. Yes. Promethian brings fire to mankind. Consequently civilisation, the fire of theft, by the way, has a universal mythic theme.
Often it's a trickster animal or a bird that steels the fire and then passes it along to a relay team of birds or animals who run with it. Sometimes the animals are burned by the flames. They pass the fire along. And this is said to account for the different colorings. The fire and theft is a very popular worldwide story. The people in each culture are trying to explain where a fire came from. Joseph Campbell, the story isn't really trying to explain it.
It has to do more with the value of fire, the fire theft sets, man, apart from the animals, when your, in the woods at night, you let a fire and that keeps the animals away. You can see their eyes shining, but they're outside the fire range. Oh, I see. So they're not telling this story just to inspire others or to make a moral point. Joseph Campbell know its to evaluate the fire. It's important to us.
And to say something about what has set man, apart from the beasts, does your study of mythology lead you to conclude that a single human quest, a standard pattern of human aspiration and thought constitutes for all mankind, something that we have in common, whether we lived a million years ago or will live a thousand years from now, Joseph Campbell, there's a certain type of myth which one might call the vision quest going and quest of a boon, a vision which has this same form in every mythology.
That is a thing that I tried to present in the first book. I wrote the hero with a thousand faces all these different mythologies, give us the same essential quest. You leave the world that you're in and go into a depth or into a distance or up to a height. They're you come to what was missing in your consciousness in the world. You formerly inhabited then comes to problems either of staying with That and letting the world drop off or returning what that boun and trying to hold on to it.
As you move back into your social world, again, it's not an easy thing to do. So the hero goes for something. He doesn't just go along for the ride. He's not simply an adventurer. Joseph Campbell. There are both kinds of Heroes some that choose to undertake the journey and some that don't and one kind of adventure. The hero sets out responsibly and intentionally to perform the deed. For instance, Odysseus his son Telemachus was told by Athena go find your father.
That father request is a major Heroes adventure for young people. That is the adventure of finding what your career is, what your nature is, what you are source his, you undertake that intentionally ore. There is the legend of the Sumerian sky goddess. I Nona who descended into the underworld in underwent death to bring her beloved back to life. Then there are the adventures into which you are throne. For example, being drafted into the army.
You didn't intend that, but you're in now you've undergone a death and resurrection you've put on a uniform and you are another creature. One kind of hero that often appears in Celtic myths is the princely Hunter who has followed the lure of a deer and do a range of forest that he has never been in before the animal there undergoes a transformation, becoming the queen of the ferry Hills or something of that kind. This is a type of adventure in which the hero has no idea what he is doing, but suddenly finds himself in a transformed realm is the adventurer who takes that kind of trip a hero in the mythological sense?
Joseph Campbell. Yes, because he is always ready for it. In these stories. The adventure that the hero was ready for is the one who gets the adventure is symbolically a manifestation of his character, even the landscape and the conditions of the environment matches readiness in the movie star Wars solo begins as a mercenary and ends up as a hero coming in at the last second to save Luke Skywalker, Joseph Campbell, yes, there Han solo has done the hero act of sacrificing himself for another.
Do you think that a hero is created out of guilt was Han solo guilty because he had abandoned Luke Skywalker, Joseph Campbell. It depends on what system of ideas you want to apply. Solo was a very practical guy, at least as he thought of himself, a materialist, but he was a compassionate human being at the same time. And he didn't know it. The adventure evoked a quality of his character that he hadn't known. He possessed.
So perhaps the hero lurks in each one of us, when we don't know it, Joseph Campbell, our life evokes our character. You find out more about yourself as you go on. That's why it's good to be able to put yourself in situations that will evoke your higher nature rather than your lower lead us, not into temptation or Tayga egos. It talks about the environment and the hero in his meditation is on donkey lot.
Don Quixote was the last hero of the middle ages. He wrote out to encounter giants, but instead of giants is environment produced windmills or Take a points out that this story takes place about the time that a mechanistic interpretation of the world came in so that the environment was no longer spiritually responsive to the hero. The hero is today running up against a hard world that is a nowhere responsive to his spiritual needs.
Let me pause there for a second. Don't you kind of think that's what's happening now much like Don Quixote was the last hero and he wrote out to encounter giants only to find windmills. When you look at some of the kids on their journeys on there, heroic journeys are maybe you in your life as you go out into the world. There's not a whole lot of giants, not a whole lot of giants of nature. I mean, I guess you have multinational corporations and corruption.
However, those are not the same types of beasts that a hero could fight at least in the mythological sentence. And I think that leaves a whole for a lot of our, our young men and women. There's no real hero for them to look up to. It's unfortunate that the heroes of today I have become like basketball players or football players, or, you know, these particular types of athletic performers who Excel only at feats of strength, but not usually have mental strength are not usually of moral character.
Instead. It's more of, I have worked my whole life to be able to jump high. I can throw this ball really fast. You know, it's the degradation of our society, the degradation of our character. I think it's up to people like you and I to lead by example and try to become the mythical Heroes of the past. Let's jump back into the interview.
Speaker 3 (26m 29s): Good.
Speaker 1 (26m 30s): A windmill Joseph Campbell. Yes, but Don Quixote saved the adventure for himself by inventing a magician who had just transformed the giants. He had gone for two encounter in to windmills. You can do that two,
Speaker 4 (26m 45s): If you have a poetic imagination earlier. So it was not a mechanistic world in which the hero moved, but a world alive and responsive to is spiritual readiness. Now it has become to such an extent, a sheerly mechanistic world as interpreted through our physical sciences, Marxists, sociology, and behavioral listic Psychology that we are nothing but a predictable pattern of wires responding to stimuli. This 19th century interpretation has squeezed the freedom of the human will out of modern life.
And the political sense, is there a danger that these myths of Heroes teach us to look at the deeds of others as if we were in an amphitheater or Colosseum or a movie watching others perform great deeds while consoling ourselves to impotence Joseph Campbell. I think this is something that has overtaken us only recently in this culture, the one who watches athletic games instead of participating in athletics is involved in a surrogate achievement.
But when you think about what people are actually undergoing and our civilization, you realize its a very grim thing to be a modern human being, the drudgery of the lives of a, the most of the people who have, have to support families while it's a life extinguishing affair. But I think I would take that to the plagues of the 12th century in the 14th century, Joseph Campbell there mode of life was much more active than hours.
We sit in offices. It's significant that in our civilization, the problem of the middle aged is conspicuous your beginning to get personal Joseph Campbell I'm beyond middle-age. So I know a little bit about this something that's characteristic of our sedentary lives is that their is so there is, there is or may be intellectual excitement, but the body is not in it very much.
So you have to engage intentionally in mechanical exercises, the daily doesn't and so forth. I find it very difficult to enjoy such things, but they're it is otherwise your whole body says to you, look, you forgot me entirely. I'm becoming just a clogged stream. Still it's feasible to me that these stories of Heroes could become sort of a tranquilizer invoking in us, the benign passivity of watching instead of acting. And the other side of it is that our world seems drained of spiritual values.
People feel impotent to me, that's the curse of modern society. The impotence, the end UI that people feel the alienation of people from world around them. Maybe we need some hero who will give voice to our deeper longing Joseph Campbell. This is exactly Ts. Elliot's the wasteland that you are describing a sociological stagnation of in authentic lives and living that has settled upon us in that he votes nothing of our spiritual life, our potentiality, or even our physical courage until of course it gets us into one of its inhuman Wars.
You are not against technology. Are you Joseph Campbell? Not at all. When Daedalus, who can be thought of as the master technician of most ancient Greece put the wings he had made on his son Icarus so that he might fly out of the escape from the cretin labyrinth, which he himself had invented. He said to him, fly the middle way. Don't fly too high. Or the sun will melt the wax on your wings and you will fall.
Don't fly too low. Or the tides of the C will catch you Daedalus himself flue the middle way. But he watched his son become ecstatic in fly too high, or the wax smelted and the boy fell into the sea. For some reason, people talk more about Icarus than Daedalus as though the wings themselves had been responsible for the young astronauts fall. But that is no case against industry in science, poor Icarus fell under the water, but Daedalus who flew the middle way.
Succeeded in getting to the other shore. I'm going to pause again. There was a beautiful metaphor for your life. Quite often. So many of us see people or we envision people that have so much more. And a lot of times we ourselves aspire to have more, which may or may not be a symptom of the virus known as consumerism.
But when you spend all your energy flying close to the sun, you get ecstatic. The wax melts you fall into the C you fly too low. If you don't have any aspirations, you succumb to the waves of the sea. I think it's a, it's just yet another beautiful image in a way that these myths can continue to teach us and our children and the future That the middle road is the best you must have balance.
Yeah, I get it. You want to have all of these beautiful things that are advertised to you, especially in today's and you don't want to be a homeless guy in the streets, but the middle road is where you can find the balance and everyone has to find their own balance. But I hope you can take a little bit from this particular excerpt in your life. And I hope it allows you to maybe not be so hard on yourself.
Speaker 0 (33m 2s): Back to the interview.
Speaker 4 (33m 4s): A Hindu text, a dangerous path is this like the edge of a razor. This is a motif that occurs in medieval literature. Also when Lance a lot goes to rescue Genevieve from captivity, he has to cross a stream on a sword edge with his bare hands and feet, a torrent flowing underneath. When you are doing something that is a brand new adventure breaking new ground, whether it is something like a technological breakthrough, or simply a way of living, that is not what the community can help you with.
There's always the danger of too much enthusiasm of neglecting certain mechanical details. Then, then you fall off a dangerous path. Is this when you follow the path of your desire and enthusiasm and emotion, keep your mind in control and don't let it pull you compulsively. And to disaster. One of the intriguing points of your scholarship is that you do not believe science and mythology conflict, Joseph Campbell No they do not conflict.
Science is breaking through now into the mystery dimensions. It's pushed itself into the sphere. The myth is talking about its come to the edge to the edge or the interface between what can be known and what is never to be discovered because it, because it is a mystery that transcends all human research, the source of life, what is it? Nobody knows. We don't even know what an Adam is, whether it is a wave or a particle, or is it both?
It is both. We don't have any idea of what these things are. That's the reason we speak of the divine. There is a transcendent energy source. When the physicist observes subatomic particles, he's seeing a trace on a screen. These traces come and go, come and go. And we come and go and all of life comes and goes. That energy is the informing energy of all things.
Mythic worship is addressed to that. Do you have a favorite mythic hero? Joseph Campbell. When I was a boy, I had two Heroes. One was Douglas Fairbanks. The other was Leonardo DaVinci. I wanted to be a synthesis of the to today. I don't have a single hero at all. Is that as I pause here, let me ask you listening to this.
Do you have a hero? Do you remember who your hero was when you were young? Did your child have a hero? Have you asked them? Who do you, who would you want to be their hero? Could you be a hero? I hope you answer yes. To all or some of those questions, at least back to the interview. Does our society have Heroes Joseph Campbell? It did.
It did have it had the Christ and The and then America had min like Washington and Jefferson and later men like Daniel Boone. But life today is so complex and is changing so fast that there is no time for anything to constellate itself before it's thrown over again. We seem to worship celebrities today. Not Heroes Joseph Campbell. Yeah.
That's a problem. That's too bad. A questionnaire was once sent around one of the highest schools' in Brooklyn, which asks, what would you like to be two thirds of the students responded a celebrity. They had no notion of having to give of themselves in order to achieve something, just to be known to have fame name and fame. It's too bad.
But does our society need Heroes Joseph Campbell? Yes. I think so. Why Joseph Campbell? Because it has to have constellating images to pull together all the tendencies of separation to pull them together into some intention, to follow some path. The nation has to have an intention somehow to operate as a single power. What did you think of the outpouring over John Lennon's death?
Which is he a hero? Joseph Campbell. Oh yes. He definitely was a hero. Can you explain that in the mythological sense, Joseph Campbell, in the mythological sense, he was an innovator. The Beatles brought forth an art form for which there was a readiness. Somehow they were in perfect tune with their time. Had they turned up 30 years before their music would have fizzled out. The public hero is sensitive to the needs of is time.
The Beatles brought a new spiritual depth into popular music, which started as a fad. Let's call it for meditation. And Oriental music were into music had been over here for years is a curiosity. But now after the beatles' are young, people seem to know what its about. We are hearing more and more of it. And it's being used in terms of its original intention as a support for meditation's. That's what the Beatles started
Speaker 0 (39m 7s): Sometimes is
Speaker 4 (39m 7s): It seems to me that we ought to feel pity for the hero instead of admiration. So many of them have sacrificed their own needs for others, Joseph Campbell, they all have,
Speaker 0 (39m 19s): Have a very often
Speaker 4 (39m 22s): And what they accomplish is shattered by the inability of the followers to see Joseph Campbell. Yes, you come out of the Forrest with gold and it turns to ashes That is a well known fairytale. And motif Is that haunting incident in the story of Odysseus when the ship tears apart and the members of his crew are thrown overboard and the waves toss Odysseus over, he clings to a mass and finally lands on shore.
And the text says alone at last alone at last Joseph Campbell. Well, the adventure of Odysseus is a little complicated to try to talk about very briefly, but that particular adventure were the ship is wrecked or is that the Island of the sun? That's the Island of highest illumination. If the ship had not been wrecked, Odysseus might have remained on the Island and become, you might say the sort of Yogi who on achieving full enlightenment remains that are in bliss and never returns.
But the Greek idea of making the values known and enacted in life, it brings him back. Now there was a taboo on the Island at the sun, namely that one should not kill and eat. Any of the oxen of the son. Odysseus has men, however were hungry. So they slaughtered the cattle of the sun, which is what brought about their shipwreck. The lower consciousness was still functioning while they were up there in the sphere of the highest spiritual Lite.
When you are in the presence of such an illumination, you are not to think, gee, I'm hungry. Give me a roast beef sandwich. Odysseus has been, were not ready or eligible for the experience which had been given to them. That's a model story for the earthly. Heroes attaining to the highest illumination, but then not coming back.
Speaker 0 (41m 33s): What we to
Speaker 4 (41m 34s): Make of what you wrote of the bittersweet story of Odysseus. When you said the tragic sense of that work lies precisely in its deep joy in life's beauty and excellence, the noble loveliness of fair women, the real worth of manly men at the end of the tale is ashes. Joseph Campbell. You cannot say light is useless because it ends in the grave.
There's an inspiring line in one of Pindari poems, where he is celebrating a young man who has just won a wrestling championship at the Pythian games, Pindar writes creatures of a day. What is anyone? What does he, not a man is, but a dream of a shadow you get when there comes is a gift of heaven, a gleam of sunshine, the rest upon men are a radiant light and ay, a gentle life that dismal saying vanity vanity all is vanity.
It is not all vanity. This moment is self is no vanity. It is triumph a delight. The accent on the culmination of perfection in our moments of triumph is very Greek. It is not all vanity. This moment itself has no vanity is a triumph, a delight this accent on culmination of perfection in our moments of trying well, my friends think I'm going to leave.
You write there for a little while. That's a pretty deep stuff. And then you may have to go back and relisten to a little bit. I'm hopeful that this particular interview inspires you to go back and reread some of your favorite myths, a plan to your life, or maybe begin picking up some mythological literature to read to your kid's and get them inspired on what a hero is. Hope that you continue to be a hero to your day.
And I hope that you continue to see your day as the last page and a beautiful novel, but most importantly, hope, you know, I love you. And I hope to see you back here soon. Aloha.