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Today we're looking at alternative medicine and we're looking
at the sort of new generation where technology meets medicine
biotechnology, medical technology.
So most, most of us are used to thinking of alternative.
medicine as medical practices like Ayurveda and so on and so on.
But in recent decades, and increasingly in an accelerated way,
there's been a great upsurge in the understanding of vibration frequency.
As medicine and many companies, especially in Europe creating devices
that are now being adopted by doctors and other types of practitioner worldwide.
And so it's, it's really worth taking a dive.
So I've got with me Ha Hari Khalsa, who's a doctor, a chiropractic
doctor from Los Angeles with us.
Ha Hari, thanks for coming on.
Who are you and what do you do?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Well, I'm really honored to be here.
First of all, thank you so much for spending the time to listen and hear me.
I, well, I've been a chiropractor since 1988.
I've been in the holistic realm doing, you know, with yoga, meditation,
vegetarian lifestyle since 1980.
So it's about 40, 40, 45 years now, actually.
It started when I was young, when I was 20.
And so I, I've always been a, you know, very open to holistic methods of healing
since I was 20 basically I, my history is I, I was kind of like a daredevil
when I was a kid, and I ended up by the time I was 20 I was in chronic pain from
a lot of different skiing accidents.
Clip diving, getting hit by trucks, all different kind of things happening.
But bottom line was by the time I was 20, I was racked in pain.
And the medical doctors told me that I had the spine of a 70 year old at 20.
And I was like, Oh my God, that's not good.
Rupert Isaacson: Seven year old or a 70 year old.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
I would, I would know I was 20 and I had the spine of a 70 year old.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
I was 20.
So I was like, Okay, what do I do?
So the medical doctors, you know, I was, I didn't know anything about
holistic medicine at that point.
All I knew was, I went to a medical doctor maybe once or twice my whole
life and I didn't even know anything about chiropractic And so I just did
what the medical doctors told me to do go to the physical therapist take
drugs You know, so I did that for like a year and really nothing changed.
I was still in pain and what happened was I was in a yoga
class and I Told the yoga teacher.
I said, listen, it's hard for me to do the yoga because it's so much pain.
What, you know, what, what do you have?
What, what can you suggest?
He said, well, you should go to see a chiropractor.
And I'm like, well, what is a chiropractor?
I didn't even know, you know, what chiropractic is only used by about
less than 10 percent of the population.
In the United States, probably worldwide, too.
I mean, it's not well known.
It's been actively suppressed for probably over 100 years by the medical profession.
Unfortunately, they because we're a direct threat to their livelihood, right?
Rightfully so, because a lot of chiropractic actually does work.
So in my case, it did work.
It helped me Get out of the pain I was in and then that, that's
kind of what launched me into the idea of even being a chiropractor.
I was on the path of actually going to medical school and
I was in a very young age.
I was working in biotech.
I actually worked in a company that made heart valves.
when I was 16.
So I was very science oriented.
I really was passionate about medicine and I really thought
I wanted to be a medical doctor because I didn't know any different.
But once I met the chiropractor, it was like light bulbs went off.
I was like, Oh my God, this is what I want to do.
So it made a whole lot of sense to me.
And at the time my chiropractor was also a naturopath.
So he was working with homeopathy And cranial, you know doing cranial
work pretty even for chiropractic.
He was exotic back then and so I was totally blown away by that experience
and it it really propelled me into the whole world of holistic healing And so
I've, you know, been practicing, like I said, since 1988 as a chiropractor and
I've studied pretty much consistently.
I've never stopped studying ever since I got out of school.
School is just to get you started.
But if you're a true healer, you're still You're studying and
researching your entire life.
So I literally have been studying and researching this field of
holistic medicine for 44 years.
That's how I kind of came to where I'm at now.
Rupert Isaacson: So chiropractic how is that different from osteopathy?
Can you give us the one, two, three on that?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Okay, so they're they're like parallel professional, the original.
Okay, so there's a big difference about current, but the original osteopaths
and chiropractors were doing manual therapy, you know, adjusting the spine
with their hands, you know, slightly different flavor, different techniques,
but Basically, the idea was to unblock the vertebra said you had proper nerve flow.
Your body works better, right?
That's the nuts and bolts of it.
But what happened over the years was the osteopaths.
went more into mainstream medicine and started, you know,
incorporating drugs and surgery.
And now they're more like at the status of say, a orthopedic doctor
where the chiropractors stay in the realm of drug free medicine, but
still focusing on manual therapy.
I would say those are like the overarching big picture type thing.
You know, within those professions you do have holistic practitioners in both.
Like for example, Dr.
Mercola.
I don't know if you know who that is.
Dr.
Joe.
Rupert Isaacson: Dr.
Who?
Sorry.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Mercola.
Dr.
Joe Mercola.
He tell me about Dr.
Joe
Rupert Isaacson: Cola.
No, tell me about him.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Well, he's, he's probably the best known holistic doctor in the world.
He's got, he was, you know, during the era, he was, he was the number
one band doctor on the internet.
They took him down.
He was one of the first guys they took down.
But he has a huge following.
You have to search for it though, because they, you know, they
banned him off the internet.
So, but he's an osteopath, but he's, he's deep, very deep.
He's one of my mentors.
I follow him daily.
He, you know, has a newsletter that he puts out every day about different
topics, but he's an osteopath, right?
So there's, there's a lot of crossover, but I'd say, you know,
in, in general, it's the same concept, but with different flavors.
Rupert Isaacson: Got it.
I'm looking up Dr.
Joe Mercola,
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
take
Rupert Isaacson: control of your health.
Physician, 70 years old just, this is just for the listeners so that they know I'm
quickly, I quickly jumped on my phone.
Here we go.
Dr.
Joseph McCullough is a physician and New York times bestselling author.
He was voted the ultimate wellness game changer by the Huffington post and has
been featured in okay, blah, blah, blah.
His mission is to transform the traditional medicine medical paradigm
in the United States into one in which the root cause of disease is treated
The root cause of disease is treated rather than the symptoms in addition He
aims to expose corporate and government fraud and mass media hype that often
sends people down an unhealthy path Yeah, they'll get you crucified for sure
But he seems to be doing all right up there on the cross I'm just also while
you were talking you because you were you were mentioning, you know, the
history of chiropractic being over a hundred years old and I I looked that
up and it's indeed, I see that it's indeed true, which I didn't know.
I just want to, for the listeners, just give you a couple of
paragraphs of this because I think it helps to provide context.
So, I'm on Wikipedia.
The history of chiropractic began in 1895.
When Daniel David Palmer of Iowa performed the first chiropractic
adjustment on a partially deaf janitor, Harvey Lillard, while Lillard was
working without his shirt on in Palmer's office, Lillard bent over to empty
the trash can and Palmer noticed that Lillard had a vertebra out of position.
He asked Lillard what happened, and Lillard replied, I moved the wrong
way and I heard a pop in my back, and that's when I lost my hearing.
Palmer, who was also involved in many other natural healing philosophies,
had Lillard lie face down on the floor and proceeded with the adjustment.
The next day, Lillard told Palmer, I can hear the racket on the streets.
This experience led Palmer to open a school of chiropractic two years later.
Reveal, Reverend Samuel H.
Weed coined the term chiropractic by combining the Greek words chiro,
hand, and praktikos, doing or
Okay.
Interesting.
So of course I've gone to chiropractors in my life.
And usually I've gone for an adjustment, but I wouldn't say I've
gone for any kind of health condition.
And I wouldn't say that I've noticed a.
uptick in my physical health or mental health either way, other
than the relief of tension.
But do you think I should have?
Or does that just mean that maybe I was doing fine and there wasn't
anything really that much to fix?
Or what's your take on that?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Well, that's a really deep question you're asking, because the thing is,
is back then, you know, over, you know, back in the 1800s, you know,
when Didi was alive, there was a lot less toxicity and electromagnetic
stress in the, on the planet.
You know, we didn't have, how did you know I
Rupert Isaacson: was that old?
Well, I just,
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
then I look great, but the thing is like back then, you know, we
didn't, we, you know, think about it.
Like right now we have over 80, 000 environmental toxins that are in our body.
As we speak, every human on the planet has 80, 000 environmental
pollutants in our body, heavy metals, organic bottle compounds,
forever chemicals, nanoplastics.
There's only eight.
There's over 80, 000 of them that are in our body.
So those things are disruptors of hormones.
It interferes with mitochondrial function.
It's causing so, so much havoc within ourselves that a
chiropractic adjustment 100 years ago could cure something like it.
Like deafness or cancer or whatever, just because you're releasing the
pressure on a nerve, the problem now that we face and what you said is a
perfect analogy is the chiropractic adjustment now is only going to relieve
maybe 10 percent of your interference because now you've got electromagnetic
stress and all these environmental factors that are shutting down and
inhibiting your proper cell function.
Rupert Isaacson: There's a question that I often wonder with that, you
know, when one reads obviously I'm a journalist, so, you know, I always go,
hmm, you know, whenever I read anything, including anything I write or anything
I say but one frequently has a picture presented of this is sort of the most,
you know, toxic time we've ever lived.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Hmm.
Rupert Isaacson: Is it?
I remember, for example, as a boy in London, the pea super fogs.
That don't exist anymore before the Clean Air Act came in.
And I remember people had tuberculosis.
I remember people had various types of conditions.
There was polio.
There were other things as well, you know,
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
do, but, you know, do you know the word polio?
This is something I just
Rupert Isaacson: figured out.
Uhhuh
, Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
they changed the definition.
So now when you get gi, gi, Gillian Beret syndrome, you
know that syndrome that you get?
I,
Rupert Isaacson: I do not, no.
Gillian Beret.
Well anyway.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Bottom line is they changed the definition.
Rupert Isaacson: Ah, well that's handy.
People still get
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
polio.
They just don't call it that anymore.
We
Rupert Isaacson: had that, we had that with a , a nuclear reactor in England
in the eighties, who, which had a leak, so it was called wind scale.
So the government solved the problem by changing the name of the reactor
to sell a field, and, and it worked.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
I mean, the tricks they play on us.
So that's,
Rupert Isaacson: but nonetheless, I remember people's health being
severely compromised back then.
And then, you know, I spent a lot of time in the parts of the world, like,
you know, India or say Turkey in the winter, you know, where you get, you
know, coal fired stuff, you know, in the way you go to Delhi right now, you
know, like massive, massive pollution.
But that was.
Europe.
And that certainly was the United States in any industrial industrialized city,
even certainly a hundred years ago.
So people were dropping like flies from all sorts of toxicities.
And of course things weren't controlled.
Foods were not controlled.
People were taking all kinds of terrible things and dying from them
and getting diseases from them.
So are things actually more toxic now or are we just more aware of it?
Sorry to say that.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah, the thing is, is that back then, there was maybe 20 things, right?
20.
Now we've got 80, 000.
That's a huge difference.
That are, you know, forever chemicals.
That means they're not going away.
They're in the environment.
They're circulating through.
And yet we
Rupert Isaacson: live longer.
And our bodies last longer.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Right, and the reason is because we got better hygiene, you know, everything
in our lives are improved since a hundred years ago, mainly because
of hygiene, sewage waste treatment.
Penicillin.
There's a lot of things we've done right, but over 50 percent of the
population is suffering from some sort of chronic or autoimmune disease.
That's not That's not normal
Rupert Isaacson: that I'll give you.
Also, you know, for me, I'm lucky because the lifestyle I live I have
all parallel career where we, I train horses and we are constantly, constantly,
you know, hours and hours and hours a day out there in nature doing that.
So if I go for a chiropractic adjustment, it's because,
you know, something happened.
But.
In general, I'm moving, I'm limber, I'm out in nature, I'm breathing
in a lot of poo particles from herbivores, which is good for me.
I know they're
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
probably healthy for you.
I'm
Rupert Isaacson: told that's very good for the, for the, my gut
bacteria and so on and so on.
There's been an interesting study on dairy farmers in in the Netherlands
who don't seem to get cancer even though they're chain smokers.
And it seems to come down from what I read to the inhalation over decades of cow poo.
So
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
they're getting all the healthy microbiome.
Rupert Isaacson: Indeed.
So I'm, I'm, I'm a believer.
I believe in poo, but those who know me know how much I believe in poo.
But I, you know, so it's, it's interesting to me because we, we
often get this picture presented to us of, Oh my God, we're in crisis.
And if you look back at every generation for as long as written records, you'll
see, Oh my God, we're in crisis.
However, perhaps what's true is that the crisis.
I have a very good friend.
Whose dad had a great if you've got a problem, get a bigger one.
So maybe, you know, but that doesn't mean, and I I'm, I'm, I'm just
being, I'm not being flippant, but I'm being, I want to raise these
questions because I do think that.
One of the ills of our age is people perceiving themselves as unwell.
When they might or might not be.
And that, I think, is sometimes as big an issue as people actually
being unwell because of lifestyle.
It's, it's a funny, strange line that people have to tread now.
What do you think about that?
Because we get so much negative stuff through the media.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
You know, you have your epigenetic stressors, which are the things that
are environmental like what we're talking about, but also personal history
trauma that we store in ourselves.
It's cell memory, right?
And that's not only personal, it's also transpersonal.
So You know what you're saying?
Like people are unwell, they don't know why, you know, and a lot of times
it's not because of them, it could be because of the group think, you know,
when we were in the midst of COVID, the group think was very, very demented and
weird, you know, you gotta wear a mask, you gotta, you know, it was all based
on lies, you know, so we're being pre programmed societally to believe a lie.
I never believed it from day one, but you know, I, I'm just one little guy,
but you know, most of the population of the world bought into the lie of COVID,
which was, you know, you gotta wear a mask and six feet of this and this, and
this, you know, it was just made up.
We know now it's all fraud, but back then everybody took it real seriously
because it was like a life threatening thing, you know, and you're right.
Like we're always being presented with the next.
You know, dangerous thing, you know, and you know, the way I kind of, the
way I perceive it for me anyway, it's like, you have to live your life like
you're Neo in the matrix, like, you got to realize, first of all, you're
in a matrix, and the matrix is there to control you, and your job is to
break the chains of that control.
On the physical and the emotional and the mental, all three.
Rupert Isaacson: Has it not always been so, here I go again?
So, if you were in where I'm sitting now, interviewing you from Germany, if we'd
been sitting here 85 years ago, if I'd been sitting here 85 years ago, there
would have been a groupthink going on.
That said, do some very, very, very bad and reckless things as a nation.
And believe in this wholeheartedly.
Go off and commit a bunch of atrocities and then destroy yourselves.
And everyone went, I'll hit that.
So it's not the first time we can eat
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
animals.
You know, we're not a whole lot different than elk or deer, you know, let's go
Rupert Isaacson: take back the Holy land, you know, 12th century
France, you know, or let's go.
Make Europe under Islam, you know, the Ottoman Empire or the 8th century.
So those group thinks for, for conquest and sort of negative, you know, the
Mongols, you know, let's kill everybody.
We get everybody from the Pacific to the Mediterranean every two generations.
So those types of negative group thinks have been around for a bit.
Are we any different now?
Really?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
I think we're just more sophisticated with it.
We have way more.
Input through our antenna.
You know, our brain is an antenna, and we're getting massively way
more data coming in than we've ever had in the history of the planet.
Like, you know, they talk about AI.
We are AI.
Our brains are hooked in.
We don't need a chip in our brain.
We already have the internet and we're hooked in planetarily.
Just the fact that you and me are sitting here talking, I'm in
Los Angeles, you're in Germany.
I mean, it's happening all over the planet, but
Rupert Isaacson: that's an essentially good thing because
here we are disseminating information that for well being.
Right.
Yeah, exactly.
I, I, these things are always seem to be balanced out.
I'm only, I'm only raising these questions because I'm, I'm playing devil's advocate.
I'm a great believer in all of the, um, movements within alternative medicine
because I myself have seen, experienced and, and delved into many of them.
And I also know, you know, that to some degree, the history of the.
American you know, Physicians Association and how that monopoly was deliberately
created in the sort of 1920s and so on.
And what medicine looked like before that and what it's looked
like since and so on and so on.
So it's, It's been an, it's an evolution and I do want to get into this.
One thing more though I want to ask you about you.
So you are called Har Hari Khalsa.
And you're sitting opposite me wearing a Sikh turban.
But I don't think you were born a Sikh.
Now and Sikhism is a very interesting and very specific philosophy
and way of life, as you know.
So me growing up in, in London and You know, the Commonwealth and the aftermath
of the Empire and all of that and then having spent quite a lot of time in
India myself I'm somewhat familiar with Sikhism and I know that Khalsa is a is
a High, I think you can't really use the word caste within within Sikhism
because As far as I know, Carl, no
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
s is just a, you know, it's like Smith or Jones.
It's a common
Rupert Isaacson: No, no, no.
It's, it's the, the s were a very, very influential and high born clan.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah.
Well, in the pun, Punjab.
In Benal.
It's not about birth.
Were they, were sort top of about birth.
It's not a birth oriented thing.
It is a.
Conscious commitment to consciousness, like to pure calls.
It means pure words, right?
So it's basically living a pure lifestyle, you know, when I started that meant being
a vegetarian doing yoga Meditating every day, you know, but purity basically,
that's what calls the means and it and I think it transcends religion In the sense
of I think the thing that differentiates the Sikhs from every other religion
is technically Sikh is not a religion.
Sikh means student of the truth.
Right.
And so that's why I embrace it at a very young age because I, I
recognized a lot of falsehood and lack of integrity in modern religion.
I was born Jewish and I respect the religions, but for me it wasn't enough.
I wanted to have a much deeper spiritual experience of spirituality, which you
get from doing yoga and meditating.
Rupert Isaacson: So, and Could one not find that within the mystic
traditions of any religion, though?
Yeah, exactly.
But it takes a
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
conscious effort.
Sufism,
Rupert Isaacson: you know.
Yeah,
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
well, all these things, it doesn't Okay, we differentiate it, like Sufism, Sikhism,
but in reality It's being present in the present moment with your breath, with your
mind, with your body, with your intention.
We put different labels on that, right?
But it's meditation is in action.
It's not a static thing where you're sitting there on a pillow
and just emptying your mind.
It's something you, it's your life.
It's how you live.
Rupert Isaacson: Right, but I think a lot of, say, Benedictines would say
the same thing, or Sufis or whatever.
So why pick, why, you say, why then pick a particular?
Well, okay, so that's a really good, that's like a personal,
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
okay, so the question you have there, I, and this is gonna sound very
bizarre for some of your people, but I'll just tell you my, what happened.
I, when I was, 19 years old, I saw Sikhs walking on the road and
I'm like, what the hell is that?
Like, it just kind of, my brain just went, went into like some kind of spinning.
I don't even understand.
Like, I just was like, whoa.
And then what happened with me is I started taking yoga classes with
a Sikh Turban Westerner, right.
In a college at University of Oregon and Eugene.
And I started having these prophetic dreams.
While I was, you know, in the midst of doing all this yoga.
And basically what had happened is I started having a past life recall
of being with these Sikh gurus in India, and I didn't know who they
were or why I was having these dreams.
And I'm like, What the heck?
You know, because I was seeing clearly these visions of these historical
events with the Sikh gurus in my dream.
And I didn't know what it meant and I didn't know who they were.
And then I found out later who these people were and what the vision was.
And I'm like, Oh my God, I was, I was in shock.
I was like, I was a Sikh in my past life.
If you believe in Palestine, I don't know.
It's a collective remembering individual, whatever point is, is I had a clear
vision of being with these gurus.
You know, historic, and so I happened to be at the same time, Yogi Bhajan,
who lives, lived here in, in California, he was teaching and there was a
huge movement of Kundalini Yoga and Sikhism, and I just was like, you
know what, I'm supposed to be here.
It was just something I knew I needed to be and I ended up living
in an ashram in Boulder, Colorado.
That's, I actually went to school at the University of
Oregon, University of Colorado.
And I lived in the ashram for like four years.
and took up the Sikh lifestyle, which, you know, if you talk, there is
many Sikhs on the planet, that's how many lifestyles there are of Sikhs.
There's no such thing.
Yeah.
So basically I have my own version of it.
Let's say, you know, so
Rupert Isaacson: what's interesting is where, if you were having those
prophetic dreams, it's very interesting to hear you talk about that.
And that kind of perhaps answers my question of, you know, if you're
looking towards the mystic, which is.
Pan religious or even outside of religion, but religions can certainly
have their ways of expressing it So I was thinking well, why choose that one?
I think you've answered that very well, but something something which
I find interesting about Sikhism is it's so specific, like the history
of it, they, it's, it's 15th century.
So right when, you know, the Medici's are beginning to flower in Florence
and, you know, the reconquest of Spain is happening and the wars of the
roses are going on in the, in England.
And, you know, we think of that as the kind of high medieval right at
the beginning of the Renaissance over there in the Punjab, you've got.
These blokes who say, Hey let's not, let's not be Muslim or Hindu, even
though they're sort of coming out of the Hindu thing, let's not do this
caste thing, which seems to create a lot of suffering and atrocity.
And Buddhism did the same thing.
I mean, Buddhism came out of Hinduism as well, and more or less said
the same thing much, much earlier.
So this is all fucked up, you know, let's get back to what we should
actually have an equality and fraternity.
And so I love that, but what I find intriguing about the Sikhs, and I
want to ask you about this, they're very, very, very militaristic and
that the Punjabi warrior culture is you know, one of the most warlike
in Asia, perhaps in the world.
And you talked about the, you know, the Khalsa meaning pure, sure, but
we, there was also the Sikh Khalsa army perhaps something a bit like
the Unsullied in Game of Thrones.
And this became such a powerful militarized force that they went on.
Conquest.
So they were, they were conquering from the Punjab up
into Afghanistan and over it.
You know, they, they were expanding their empire, which means they
were absolutely putting people to the sword, you know, a lot.
And then the Brits of course showed up at the empire and went, Oh, they're useful.
Let's, you know, let's employ them.
And by the time you had the height of the British Raj, you
had all these British officers.
You know, in the Sikh army, and then somewhere around 1850, 1849 actually, the
British army kind of went, You know what?
These guys have gotten a bit too powerful.
Let's just break that up a bit.
And so then they went to war with the Sikhs and, you know, obviously had
more firepower and blah blah blah.
But this, but the Sikh military thing and, and wars of conquest
that the Sikhs engaged in over centuries seem to go rather against
these love and peace and fraternity.
The
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
thing is you've got to go a little deeper into the Sikh history because the first,
there were 10 Sikh groups and start with the first nine of them were pacifists.
peace loving yogi type people, right?
And what happened is when Guru Govind Singh came on the scene,
he was the 10th Sikh Guru.
He was known as the warrior, this soldier saint.
He was the one who started the Sikh armies, okay?
And the reason that happened was because the Mughal emperors in India at that
time were doing The Mughals being
Rupert Isaacson: the Muslim overlords.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yes, they were doing mass, you know, mass Talk about genocide.
They were killing hundreds of thousands of Hindus at that time.
And the Sikhs rose up to defend the Hindus.
That's the original army of the Sikhs that they actually made a pact.
With the Hindu clans at that time to protect them.
And then that's where the Sikhs came in is the Kassat catastrophe.
I'm not saying it right.
The, the, the warrior class, you know, they actually put themselves in the class
Rupert Isaacson: of
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
the warrior cloud to protect the Hindus.
Okay.
And then it grew from there because now you've got the expansion and then the.
You know, the, you know, then the Sikhs got more power because they did defeat,
eventually did defeat the Mughals.
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
And a lot of, you know, prominent army officers in the, in the Indian army
today are Sikhs, you know, and they, they seem to be the often the ones
who, who rise to the highest sort of.
Field marshal, admiral, you know, career career soldiers.
Okay.
So, but I, you know, we, we can allow for ambiguity within Catholicism, one can have
Hildegard of Bingen and Francis of Assisi alongside the Spanish Inquisition and
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
and the Crusades.
I've spent a lot of time in, in Assisi, actually.
He studied there, did a lot of healing, a lot of my training
happened in Italy there.
Rupert Isaacson: I guess, again, the reason I bring it up is I think
there can be a tendency in the West to sort of eulogize the East for its
spiritual traditions, you know, and anyone who's ever spent, you know,
a long time, a bit of time in India kind of looks around and goes, Whoa,
you guys are brutal to each other.
But at the same time yes, there is this intense spirituality as well.
Both exist in parallel with each other, but the, and this paradoxical
ambiguity, ambiguous nature of this.
spiritual sort of theater there is definitely very real.
But I do think that it can be quite naive within the West to think, Oh, well,
they're all very spiritual over there.
And we're not very spiritual over here.
And a little bit more complex, perhaps.
Okay.
But I was intrigued, you know, to see that you had adopted the Sikh thing.
Now tell me about where you were born.
And so Jewish background, Jewish from where, what type of Judaism?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Well, I mean, my parents were from the East Coast, but my
ancestors are from Eastern Europe.
So they're Ashkenazi Jews.
Right.
Same, same as my ancestors.
Yeah.
Belarus.
I think Lithuania.
Then we're
Rupert Isaacson: probably cousins.
Yeah.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah.
There we go.
You know, so I mean, you know, my, my dad and mom, they, they
came from the East Coast when I.
In 1960 when, and they were like the renegades because most of my family
was planted on the East Coast and they were like, we're escaping this
place and they went to the West Coast.
So I was born here in Los Angeles.
And my parents, I guess, in a way were revolutionaries of their
own because they were brought up in, I would say, Orthodox Jewish.
Life, you know, I think one of my grandfathers was a cantor and the other
was a kosher butcher And my dad moved here and he actually was responsible
for starting The reform temple, which is the most liberal version of judaism.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay, but why what got them interested in that?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Well, I just think, you know, my dad was a hardcore Jew.
I mean, you know, in the wide
Rupert Isaacson: reformed temple, why not just go?
Well, because I
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
think that's the thing.
Like, I think my dad and my mom were a little bit more liberal than the
normal people, the normal Jews, let's say the conservative Orthodox Jews.
Right.
So they, I think there must have been a movement at that time for Reformed
Judaism, and you know, that's kind of, I didn't even know that until
after, at my dad's funeral, where they, they told the story about he
and a group of his friends started the temple that I was bar mitzvahed in.
I had no idea because they never told me this.
So did
Rupert Isaacson: you go to synagogue growing up?
And well, a lot of people have been bar mitzvahed and maybe only set
foot in a synagogue once or twice.
Like a lot of Christians go to Easter, but I mean, I,
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
I, I got, you know, I went to what do you call it?
Hebrew school.
So I learned Hebrew and you know, and I was a good experience I'd say overall.
I mean, I think it was, I think the whole tradition of Bar Mitzvah and like
bringing the young through that, it's kind of like a portal or a, you know.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, a rite of passage.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Rite of passage.
I think that's very useful.
I think it was really a good thing.
But the thing was, is after that, I didn't feel like I was getting
what I needed from Judaism.
Like, I felt like it was more of a social gathering versus a true spiritual.
Rupert Isaacson: Well, that was going to be my question is, if you
were at a reformed Jewish synagogue, how do you think that, how did,
how did those ceremonies that, how did that ritual differ from
quote unquote, normal Orthodox?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Well, I never had been exposed to Orthodox, so I, I don't really know.
I mean, I see, I actually, the neighborhood I live in
right now is in West LA.
And this is like the home of Orthodox Jews.
Like there's probably more Orthodox Jews in this neighborhood than there
are in Israel, or at least the same.
I mean, it's all Orthodox Jews.
So I'm around the culture.
I've been around it now for over 40 years, but I don't, I don't participate.
Although I know rabbis, you know, the rabbis are always
trying to get me to come back.
They're like, come back to our fold.
I'm like, no, I'm
Rupert Isaacson: kidding.
Well, you've got the beard.
I mean, you know, you're half foot there.
Yeah.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
I was in a building where I actually, there was an, I was like over two, 20
years ago, I was in an office where the, the lower part of the building was
an Orthodox, Persian Orthodox temple.
Okay.
That's a very niche.
They, and, and it was really interesting 'cause they, they
still to this day sacrifice goats.
They do ritual sacrifice.
Rupert Isaacson: The Persian Orthodox.
The Persian Orthodox.
How Very interesting.
Where was that?
In la?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah, in LA And I was shocked 'cause I, I was, I was going down in the
parking lot one day and I'm like, why is there a goat down here?
And they're like, oh, we're doing a ritual.
I'm like, what?
Rupert Isaacson: Interesting.
That's very, I need to look that up.
Persian meaning Babylonian, meaning
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah, but
Rupert Isaacson: meaning Persian from when the Jews were displaced
to Persia, well to Assyria.
Yeah, I would assume.
I don't know the history on that.
But it's, you know, they're still
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
doing animal sacrifice, which I'm fine with.
I mean, cause I, I sense have changed my eating habits where
I do eat flesh and eat meat.
Now I was a vegetarian for 25 years, but
Rupert Isaacson: Why did you change that out of interest?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Well, there's a it's a long history.
My my first wife had cancer and The doctors we were going to at that time
They all told her she needed to eat meat.
She'd been a vegetarian for 25 years and so I was of course being her husband.
I was like, okay, i'm not gonna just let you eat meat.
I'm gonna eat meat, too and so that kind of Brought me into
the realm of eating meat again,
Rupert Isaacson: but why why keep going with it?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Well, you know, I I think over the years You know being kind of science oriented.
I listen to a lot of different doctors who you know you know
the subject of nutrition and
you know, it seems to me that there's a lot of evidence that
meat is very beneficial and If it's the right type of meat.
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
Well, we are hunter gatherers after all.
I just, before we move into the various forms of alternative medicine
that that you are practicing I just want to talk, go down this reform
Judaism and Persian Judaism rabbit hole, because I'm fascinated.
So here I go.
Back on Wikipedia.
The origins of Reformed Judaism lie in the mid 19th century Germany where
Rabbi Abraham Geiger and his associates formulated its early principles
attempting to harmonize Jewish tradition with modern sensibilities in the age
of emancipation, brought to America By German trained rabbis, the denomination
gained prominence in the United States, flourishing in the 1860s to
the 1930s, from the 1860s to the 1930s, in an era known as classical reform.
Since the 1970s, the movement has adopted a policy of inclusiveness and acceptance,
inviting as many people as possible to partake in its communities, rather than
adhering to strict theoretical clarity.
It's strongly identified with progressive and liberal agendas in
political and social terms, and this is where it gets interesting, mainly
under the traditional Jewish rubric.
Tikkun olam, the repairing of the world.
Tikkun olam is a central motto of Reform Judaism, and acting in its name is one of
the main channels for adherents to express their affiliation, the movement's most
significant centrist in North America.
So, I've been aware of Tikkun olam for a long time, this idea of, to Repair
the world through living peacefully through acts of kindness through and this
being central to particularly Ashkenazi Judaism and very much also Kabbalic which
incidentally kind of comes around Not a dissimilar time to Sikhism and then
let's, so it's interesting that you came out of that tradition, the repairing
of the world, however, however aware of it, you were, you must have been
hearing that term going on around you.
Yes, that's
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
actually the first time I've heard it.
Rupert Isaacson: I really, okay.
But
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
I think I mean that, but the thing is, it's not, the word is interesting, but
I think the ethos was always there.
Yeah.
Anyway, because that's, you know, it's like mitzvah, you know, it's like a very
root thing, understanding of Judaism, that you're, you know, doing good in the world.
I mean, helping people, you know, doing good, good karma, you know,
it's real basic stuff, I would say, it's like the most basic stuff.
Rupert Isaacson: So it's interesting, so the Persian, yeah,
the Persian Jewish tradition.
I've got it here.
So that the destruction of the second Jewish temple, but in
Jerusalem by Rome in that's the beginning of the diaspora, 70 AD.
That's when all ritual sacrifice.
Within Judaism pretty much ended and but yes indeed there had been by
the rivers of Babylon there, we sat down and and wept how should we sing
the Lord's song in a strange land?
You know, we know, we know all this and it carries over into
Rastafarianism with reggae and stuff.
But what that refers to is.
Way earlier than that, in about, I think the 7th century I need to check it B.
C.
The Assyria took over Judea and brought, sacked the temple, brought a whole
bunch of Jews into exile into Babylon and all their national treasures.
And then it was under, I think, was it under, I can't remember whether it was
Nebuchadnezzar I think was it Asur?
Nebuchadnezzar?
Nebuchadnezzar maybe was the one, I should check it.
Who let them go, and let them go back.
But a lot of them stayed.
A lot of them stayed, actually no one quite liked it over here.
Because they've been treated quite well.
And it does indeed seem that that Persian form of Judaism, which
includes animal sacrifice, does have its roots with the ones who stayed.
Yeah.
It's fascinating that all
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
the different cultures in the world have adopted, you know, I think.
Ethiopia.
There's Ethiopia.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, no, there is.
And it's, you know, I think a lot of these religions like with Christianity,
you could really argue that there have always been Christianities and there've
been Judaisms, you know, you know, so you get the very, very peaceful
thing of the reparation of the world.
But if you look at, you know, first set temple Judaism, it's.
We kill everybody, you know, so that they're not as nice that
they're just a kind of Kareem.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Well, you know, there's, there's some, you know, I follow this one guy, his name
is Cliff High and he, he goes back 6, 000 years and talks about, and I think it's
mentioned in the Bible is the the Elohim.
Yeah.
You know, and that's the plural Elohim.
It's not the one, it's the plural.
Rupert Isaacson: Sure.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
And, and he, you know,
Rupert Isaacson: God's, yeah.
Huh?
God.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah, so, you know, and, and he claims and I don't know if it's him
or where he's getting that, but that these gods were the ones who created
that ethos of terror among the Jews.
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Oh, yeah, no, I can tell you kind of the theory of that.
So, Judaism was actually a polytheistic religion.
It starts with gods, not God.
It's a Canaanite, you know, so it's from that whole area from
southern Anatolia down to Egypt.
They have a bunch of gods, and they are essentially the same gods,
similar gods to the Mesopotamian gods, because it's the Fertile Crescent
from, you know, 6, 000 years ago.
That's where all agriculture and the cities begin, and that
crescent is from the Gulf of Mecca.
the Arabian Gulf here, Kuwait, up the Tigris and Euphrates in an arc, whoops,
a little bit of southern Turkey, and then down through Syria, Lebanon,
Israel, and along the coast towards, towards Egypt and the Nile Valley.
But it's, it's, it looks like a big crescent, so hence the fertile crescent.
And that's where, you know, we see agriculture and.
The cities as we know them beginning with Sumeria and so on about 6, 000 as
you say years ago Although there are many alternative timelines of history
being rewritten which gets very exciting now And but definitely at that time
Judaism was polytheistic and then it gradually gets whittled down to the
two main Mesopotamian gods, which is Enki And, um, gosh, his brother
an, he's the nice one who likes us.
And then there's oh gosh.
Neil,
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
is it Bill and Anky?
Right?
How am I,
Rupert Isaacson: how am I forgetting the, an he's because
it, he, because it's the bad one.
Who becomes the nasty one?
Who doesn't like us?
Who ends up being the one who gets worshiped?
And becomes Yahweh, but before he's Yahweh, he's so we've got Enki and Enlil.
And Enlil, Enlil becomes Yahweh and has a wife, by the way.
And, you know, in the early temples, all the Yahweh.
Idols have a wife.
She gradually sort of disappears from the scene.
As things get a bit more patriarchal.
But yeah, it seems that this idea of the angry God, the jealous God was
this endless back and forth, which the Mesopotamians hadn't between.
The god who creates us and loves us which is Enlil, and his brother who finds us
a massive pain in the arse and wants to wipe us out all the time when we cease
to become useful for mining activities and other slave activities, and has a
go from time to time, and then Enlil keeps coming along and saving us, and
then somehow, the Israelites end up with Yahweh not his nicer brother, and then
they're always trying to appease him.
And so that's where we get this idea of appeasement and heaven and hell
and punishment and, you know, angry gods and pestilence and all of this.
But it, it, this all comes in kind of gradually.
And then of course, the, then that all gets very softened by the
time you get to the second temple, you know, around the Iron Age.
And then, so by the time the Romans show up.
And take over Judea because it's the border between the Roman
Empire and the Persian Empire.
So it's an area you've got to have control of, otherwise you lose
control of the Eastern Mediterranean.
And so they, you know, say, okay, this is Roman now.
By then, it's to some degree Judaism as we know it, but it's I've gone through many,
many evolutions and so, and, but it's interesting that your father was very much
part of the sort of progression of that
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
and sort
Rupert Isaacson: of through Kabbalah to this reform movement with this
idea of healing and repairing the world, because I would say that that
is kind of what you're trying to do.
Would you agree?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah.
Well, yeah, it's interesting because I had, I didn't realize this, but I
had a one of my uncles who was, you know, I think cousin of my father,
he was the governor of Rhode Island.
Okay.
He was an amazing progressive governor who put through a lot of, you know,
societal changes in that state that, we're talking in the 1960s, you know.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
Interesting.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah.
Rupert Isaacson: All right.
Let's get to the actual healing.
So, you've got a bunch of things that you do, and I kind of want to give them all a
little bit of time and attention, because I'm not sure people will be aware of them.
So chiropractic touched on it a bit, so let's get through that one rather quickly.
Let's say somebody had some sort of chronic autoimmune thing going
on, rather than just a sore back because they fell off a horse.
What Does chiropractic do
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
well, the very high level theory on that and it's very simple, you know,
five year old kid would get this is that imagine that it's too much for
Rupert Isaacson: me.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Imagine you've got a hose and the water's coming through the hose.
And you kink the hose.
Now the water is not coming through the hose.
What's the solution?
You unkink the hose.
So that's really the whole theory of chiropractic.
If your nerves are getting pinched because the vertebrae are misaligned
or subluxated it's gonna inhibit the life force nerve flow into your organs
and your cells and your tissues.
So, you remove that interference through the adjustments.
And now you've got more life force, the body there's a really elegant
saying the chiropractors have.
This is one of the first things I learned in chiropractic school is the power
that made the body can heal the body.
So you remove the interference by releasing the nerve flow and there you go.
Rupert Isaacson: Now when you say life force and you know, you could,
you could, you're, you were a yoga student for as long as I still are,
I think, cause you offer yoga And that would be for you Kundalini
but in Western allopathic medicinal terms, how can we define life force
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
electric,
Rupert Isaacson: electric energy within the body?
Well, if you look
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
at, look at, you know, cardiology, what's the number one test they do?
It's an EKG, you're measuring the electrical conduction of your heart.
If you've got a brain problem, they're measuring the electrical
conduction of your brain, you know, so these are just really obvious.
You know, signs that the body is electrical and there's electricity
flowing through your body.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
Which is a frequency and a vibration.
Absolutely.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
So that electricity is the most obvious version of it.
But in Chinese medicine, we talk about chi or life force, where
It's subtle, even more subtle.
It's more like the electromagnetic field versus the electrical is like
the flow of the ions, which you can physically measure, but then
you've got this whole energy field.
So whenever you have electricity, you also have the electromagnetic
field associated with it.
Rupert Isaacson: Define ions and what they mean biologically.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Well, an ion would be like.
You know, it's exactly what you look at in a wire, you know, a copper
wire, negative ion flowing through that's Channeling electricity, right,
you know, in the most like physical term, we call it an electron, right?
Rupert Isaacson: That's what I was going to say, is an ion the same,
is an ion the same as an electron?
It's like a
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
free electron, it's floating, right?
Rupert Isaacson: Why not call it an electron then, why is it an ion?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Well, ion is You know, they're interchangeable terms, you know,
it's, it's like, you know, you've got one form of an apple, another form.
It's just, it's a term that we use to describe that form of energy.
Rupert Isaacson: But to put simply chiropractic allows
the flow of electrical energy.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah.
To
Rupert Isaacson: go more freely.
Like, like, you know,
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
I would say electrical slash life force chi, but it allows the, you
know, the basic concept is the power that made the body can heal the body.
Just like if you have a cut, the cut heals on its own.
We, we don't have to go to a doctor to heal a cut.
It heals on its own.
You might need to put a bandaid on it, but it heals.
Rupert Isaacson: By the way, I'm, again, I had to check, because
I always have to check electrons and ions, so here's what I got.
An ion is an electrically charged particle produced by either removing
electrons from a neutral atom to give a positive ion, or Adding electrons to
a neutral atom to give a negative ion.
So it seems that the addition of electrons makes ions.
So maybe it's many, depending on how they're charged.
Okay, so, it's always good to check in with these things because, you know,
people I think have these questions and are often a bit scared to ask.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
One of the things I would say on that, you know, this is a very
deep topic when we talk about ions because You know, in Western terms,
we think of them as particles, right?
It's like a piece of an atom that displaces or attaches,
like a puzzle, right?
It comes off or it goes in.
And that's true on one level, right?
But on a deeper level, that ion is a hologram that exists in another realm.
And we hallucinate it.
In our minds,
Rupert Isaacson: all right.
Well, you're talking about quantum, you know, where I'm
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
talking about the quantum level of that of that.
I am
Rupert Isaacson: right.
So I think I think that is largely accepted these days that light and
electricity and all of these things are in superposition, meaning that they could
be in many places at once in potential until they're measured or observed.
And then they become a particle for that moment.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Right,
Rupert Isaacson: but then they go back to being in superposition
again Yeah, yeah, that's
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
very important to understand
Rupert Isaacson: Which is I I rather love that because it's it's
just means everything is possible.
Okay.
So do you think do Do you do you regard chiropractic?
As a preventative thing.
So for example, if I say, well, look, I'm, I'm, I sort of feel,
okay, why would I need to go?
Well, an adjustment you say, no, actually ru an adjustment every
three months is a good thing.
Just, yeah, I mean, to make sure that things are flowing.
You know, it
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
depends on your lifestyle and what you do.
Like I'm a yogi, I'm, I'm moving my spine, I'm doing all kinds of yoga things.
I might need to get adjusted once a year.
Mm.
You know, but if somebody does not have a yogic lifestyle and they're not
moving properly or doing anything that.
It fosters proper alignment.
They're going to need a car, correct?
Yeah.
And that's like about 90 percent of the population, maybe, maybe even more.
I heard a statistic today that said that only 1 percent of the population works.
In on farms, you know, whereas 100 years ago, it could have
been 50 percent maybe 200 years.
It was 90%.
So bottom line is about 99 percent of the population is either stuck in a car
and office or a sedentary lifestyle where they're not moving their spine like what
you're doing, like going out and working with horses and most people don't do that.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, sure.
No, and I, you know, I can definitely feel when I feel a bit stiff, but I
can usually relate it to something.
I got a bash.
I fell off.
I was pushing the wheelbarrow up Pooh Mountain and it twisted slightly
or something, you know, if someone is leading a standard sedentary
lifestyle, do you think, how often do you think they should probably
go and get themselves an adjustment?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
My main recommendation I'd say is like once a month, I would say.
Okay.
Monthly.
And again, that's based on your lifestyle.
If you're like an extreme athlete, you might be going twice a month
or three times a month, you know.
It's like, you know, it just depends.
I mean, I have patients who get adjusted weekly.
You know, they have the chiropractor come to them.
They're billionaires.
Rupert Isaacson: Can that be too much?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Not necessarily, no, if it's, you know, cause a lot of times like chiropractors,
I would say most modern chiropractors, they're going to be doing a lot of
different therapies that are not just adjusting, they might be doing, you
know, massage or, you know, some kind of physical therapy where it's really
a form of active release or muscle training or, you know, stuff like that.
Yeah.
. Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Alright.
You are also doing a lot with hyperbaric oxygen therapy.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah.
This
Rupert Isaacson: is something I think a lot of us has heard, have heard of.
Why is to be oxygenated like this?
So good.
And how do you do it?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Okay, so hyper barracks have been around that we know of since the 1600s.
That's when the first hyperbaric chambers were used medically and basically what
they found is over the last several hundred years is that exposing your body
to a in a hyperbaric environment where you're increased pressure, air pressure.
What it does is there's a physics principle called Henry's law.
Okay.
And basically what that says is, you know, when a gas is put under
pressure, that gas, if it's also You know, in contact with a liquid, more
of that gas will go into the liquid.
So it's like forcing more air into water in the in, you know, in the
most basic way of understanding.
So when a person goes into a hyperbaric chamber, now you've got that increased
pressure, and because of Henry's law, air, more air is being pumped
into your plasma, beyond the red blood carrying capacity of oxygen.
So now you're flooding your tissues with far more oxygen that
you would normally be exposed to.
And what they found in the research is that that will cause epigenetic
switches in your DNA to be turned on.
And what's happening is massive anti inflammatory response.
So it's really, really good for any kind of autoimmune condition.
Okay.
Brings down inflammation.
Yeah.
Rupert Isaacson: It's interesting too, I'm reading here that in, in
1918, during the massive Spanish flu thing that killed everybody, Dr.
Orville Cunningham discovered a difference in mortality rate between the flu patients
living in higher elevations compared to patients living at lower elevations.
In higher elevations, you breathe in less oxygen.
This discovery led to many flu patients seeking hyperbaric oxygen
therapy treatments with great success.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
That's an interesting thing.
So we're talking about two things here.
One is hyperbaric and one is hypobaric.
Rupert Isaacson: Yes, exactly.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
When you go to a high elevation, now you're hypobaric.
Right now.
But so the latest research shows that when you do intermittent hypobaric
therapy going, in other words, lowering the oxygen content in your blood, You
get almost the exact same benefits of being in a hyperbaric chamber.
Interesting.
Because the body has to respond by creating more blood, increasing Releasing
Rupert Isaacson: more oxygen.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah, more, so it, it, it, everything turns on so you can absorb more oxygen.
And you
Rupert Isaacson: said, you, you, you talked about the 17th century
and I'm, I'm reading this now.
There's oxygen therapy began in 1662 when British physician Nathaniel Henshaw
built the first pressurized room to treat pulmonary and digestive conditions.
At this point, the use of oxygen therapy stalled until 1788.
So a century later, when they use compressed hyperbaric air and a diving
bell for underwater repair, this spawned.
August Ziba to create the first deep sea diving suit in 1819.
The first true hyperbaric tank arrived in 1834 under the direction of Dr.
Juno, the bulletin for the academic.
The Academy of Medicine reported Dr.
Juno's success with a complete recovery from a variety of medical conditions and
then, okay, then the 1900s come along.
But what, hold on, back in 1662, they didn't know what oxygen was, so how,
how could they, how, why would they be knowing to build a pressurized
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
What they were doing was compressing air.
Why?
Because, okay, the thing is, it's not the oxygen per se, it's the pressure of
the air or the atmospheres that so think of about like when, when you go into
water and dive down, when you get down to say 10 feet or 12 feet, you're at 1.
3 atmospheres.
That's the, that's a form of hyperbaric right there.
So what they're doing is reproducing the effects of that.
Okay.
Of being underwater, but with air, not not even oxygen, just air itself,
because once you pressurize that air, the volume of oxygen itself will
concentrate more into the plasma.
So hyperbarics does not need to be done with extra oxygen.
Although if you add the extra oxygen, you get even more benefit
because now you're increasing the availability of oxygen even more.
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
Okay.
I'm going further down the Henshaw rabbit hole.
Cause I'm thinking how could a guy called Nathaniel Henshaw in England in 1662.
Which is English Civil War.
No, it's, it's just, it's under Cromwell, I think, at that point.
You know, people don't know much about things at that point.
And now it says, actually, he proposed to create a chamber.
thinking that it, but he didn't actually build it.
It was never built.
And then other people came along, I think in the 18th century and did, but
what, so Henshaw recommended pressures up to three times atmospheric pressure
and durations for acute conditions until their resolution, what I'm,
and there was another 170 years before a functional air chamber would
finally become a reality, but what.
What I'm intrigued by is how would somebody in 17th century
civil war England, where they're still burning witches be coming
up with I'm intrigued, how, why?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
You know, I think that, you know, if you look back in the history of medicine You
know, to Paracelsus and even Isaac Newton.
I don't know what year they were in, but these people had very advanced thinking.
So you got to, you got to think, okay, they're thinking of everything.
Pressure of air, the effects of magnetic energy.
I mean, they were using magnets back then, you know?
So they're right.
And he was, I said,
Rupert Isaacson: was a member of the Royal society.
So they were all.
Getting together and experimenting.
And of course, as you say, Isaac Newton was in there with him.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah.
They were looking at gravity, magnetics, you know, all different
forms of physics experiments, you know?
So it just makes sense that they would, you know, experiment with
air pressure as, as one of the, you know, things that, you know,
Rupert Isaacson: I think, yeah, I think he's, I think he was coming from the.
Rome, the, the, the Greek physician, the ideas of Galen, you know, Claudius
Galenus the Greek physician but living under the Romans, you know, 126 to 216 AD.
A lot of things go back to him.
This idea of the humors and fluids, and putting pressure to correct
the balance in humors and fluids.
And I guess they must have been observing that changes in
atmosphere and air pressure make people feel differently, right?
We spoke about that,
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
right?
The people who live at altitude?
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
They have longer lives?
Yeah,
Rupert Isaacson: the mountain people seem to be healthier and
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah,
Rupert Isaacson: more jumpy aroundy.
Yes.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
No,
Rupert Isaacson: not dying of malaria
On the planes.
Yes, the good cleaner interesting though because in in that time you know There
were still people obviously believing that you shouldn't open the window at
night because of bad humors from the air, you know I think mistaking swamp fever
and being bitten by malaria carrying mosquitoes and that sort of thing.
So It's interesting, and there's nothing specific here in what I've just been
able to see in the last two minutes saying, Oh, Henshaw noticed that people
living up in the Scottish Highlands or the French Alps seem to live longer.
But there must have been these observations going on.
I presume that people like Galen must have because the
Roman Empire spanned all these.
But it's fascinating to me that, okay, so hyperbarics, we're going to get
more oxygen in our systems, and that's going to help us with inflammation.
Yeah, that,
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
well, inflammation is the low hanging fruit.
The other thing that hyperbarics does that every, every week that you spend
in a hyperbaric chamber, meaning one, one hour a day for five days,
or seven days either one, I think.
What they've seen now, and this is very recent research, is that your,
your circulating stem cells will triple in your blood for every week that
you spend in a hyperbaric chamber.
Rupert Isaacson: And if you do a once a week treatment.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah, well, no, not once a week, every day for a week.
Published studies.
I have access to some real recent stuff.
It's unpublished.
Rupert Isaacson: So again, as a preventative, what do
you recommend for people?
If they want to explore hyperbaric?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Well, you know, the reason I did it personally was because of the
Israeli research, so that Israelis.
You know, published a research paper is about four years ago now where
they showed that spending 60 days in a hyperbaric every day, two hours a
day, increased telomere length by 25%.
Rupert Isaacson: What length?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Telomere.
Rupert Isaacson: Tell us what telomeres are.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Telomeres are the end caps of your chromosomes.
And what happens is every time your cells divide, those telomeres shrink, shrink,
shrink until they, when it gets to the end, you're, you don't divide anymore.
And that cell then becomes senescent.
Once you have enough of those senescent cells, that's it.
That's your lifespan, right?
So if you can increase that length.
You're essentially reversing the effects of aging.
Rupert Isaacson: And the hyperbaric chambers look like scary places.
They look like, you know, the old cast iron forms of like MRI
things that they put you in where you're gonna die of claustrophobia.
So, how do you deal with not going mad when you go into a hyperbaric chamber?
Well, okay, that's a
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
great question, you know.
Because of that, we, we got the largest possible chamber we could get.
The chamber we have is over 60 inches.
diameter.
So it's very large on the inside.
It can accommodate like four to five people.
Usually just one or two goes in there.
But
Rupert Isaacson: because is it sealed?
Once you go in that clock, the, the, the door closes.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah.
Do people ever panic in their windows?
So, you know, 99 percent of the patients don't have a problem at all.
Cause once you're in there you can get the, the reason
people get claustrophobic is.
The fear of not being able to escape And so there is internal mechanisms within
the chamber where you can get out from the inside You're not trapped in there.
So what people will realize that they will.
Oh, yeah, I could i'm Okay, like I can get out of here if I need to That usually
lowers the, the fear factor quite a bit.
Rupert Isaacson: And what do people do while they're in the hyperbaric chamber?
Are they having a pint?
Are they reading a book?
Are they
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
declaiming epic poetry to each other?
Or are you
Rupert Isaacson: lying there very still?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah, you can do whatever.
I mean, I'll listen to podcasts or read a book or whatever.
You can do whatever you want.
But typically after about a half an hour in a session, You'll fall
asleep because it's very sedative.
It has a very relaxing effect on your nervous system.
Rupert Isaacson: And do you still go into a hyperbaric chamber yourself?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah, I do a, yeah, I usually do it two or three times a month.
I go in.
Rupert Isaacson: And how long do you go in for?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah.
Rupert Isaacson: How long do you go in for?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
For like an hour, sometimes an hour and a half.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Okay.
Talk to me about red light, not the red light district of, of
Los Angeles, of course there are many but red light therapy.
But,
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
The red light is you know, it's the up and coming biohack.
There's a lot of research coming out about red light, you know, red
light, basically what it's doing at the most fundamental level is it's.
activating the mitochondria.
It's it's the mitochondria are the energy factories within our cells.
And mitochondria just so happen to have what are called chromophores,
which are light receptive, you know, antennas basically.
Right.
Rupert Isaacson: So that we basically, we photosynthesize
without knowing it sort of thing.
Exactly.
So
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
when you get exposed to the right.
wavelengths of light, which happen to be in the red and the near infrared range,
you're activating the maximal amount of ATP production, as well as mitochondrial
biogenesis, so it actually helps strengthen and grow healthy mitochondria.
Rupert Isaacson: Why, why of the different lights that are on the spectrum?
Why is red light such a powerful one?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
I think it's probably due to the fact that, you know, terrestrial life, we
evolved, I think over 40 or 50% of the light that comes from the sun is in
the red and the near infrared range.
Mm-hmm . And so it's a factor in life really.
It just comes from the biology of life on the planet.
In UV light, all is also important as well.
And that's where we're getting our vitamin D from.
And then, and also in the recent research, it's not just vitamin D, it's all of
your hormones get increased in UV light.
Rupert Isaacson: Could you not just, you know, go buy a red incandescent
bulb from the light store?
Why do you need, what's special about a machine?
Well, the
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
thing is that they, you know, from all the decades of research, there's been
decades of research done on red light.
There are a few like say bands of the frequency and the light in the
wavelengths where you're getting the biggest bang for your buck.
Okay, so if you're just buying a, you know, like a standard
thing of incandescent light, you're going to get some benefit.
But when you, you go within those very tight bands, you're getting the maximum.
So, it's really about efficiency.
Like, in our clinic, the red light that we use, the treatment
time is only 12 minutes.
It doesn't take a long time to get the biologic effect of red light.
You know, with like an incandescent light, you might not even get all the benefits
if you sat in front of it for hours.
You know, so it's like, it's about efficiency.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
People talk about it.
I've heard people talk about it as an anti aging thing.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah.
Rupert Isaacson: It's the reality that it's actually boosting your mitochondria.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah, mitochondria and the corollary to that is your cells, you get
collagen production in your skin.
You get increased function of your organs.
Clinically we've seen people with heart conditions.
Improved or a neuro neurologic conditions like MS Parkinson's dementia
all get benefited because our brain has a massive amount of mitochondria.
And so when you expose the brain and the body to a massive amount of the right
wavelength, the red near red, you're, you're rejuvenating the mitochondria.
Rupert Isaacson: Mhm.
Okay.
I'm also, of course, because I need to know the story behind
everything, say light therapy has been around for more than 50 years.
I'm reading here.
It was discovered by the Hungarian physician, Andre Mester in the 1960s when
scientific experiments with red lasers on rats led to hair growth and wound healing.
According to a research article published in the journal of biophotonics.
Over the years, light therapy was largely considered bogus, but with new
research, some conflicting, the scientific community has started to take notice.
Right now in the U.
S.
it's still considered non mainstream, but there's growing academic and
clinical centers adopting the technology and making it available.
Yeah, so, it's very interesting The, we know that people also use other types
of color, like blue green as well.
Yeah.
So why is red so much better and what do blue and green also
we're Often the blue is bad.
Right?
That our, our screens are blue and
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
we, yeah, so the blue, the blue I believe is more antimicrobial.
Mm-hmm . So if you have an infection, you can use light.
Green light.
It has another effect, I think on pain.
So each, each wavelength of light will have a variation
of its benefits on the body.
But the thing that differentiates red from all of those different colors
is that's the one that's focusing on your mitochondria, primarily.
Rupert Isaacson: And then, is red light the same as infrared?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
It's in the, okay, so when I say red, it's kind of that band of red and
near infrared that we're looking at.
It's between like 600 and 1100 nanometers, okay?
That's the red and near infrared range.
Why not use
Rupert Isaacson: infrared?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Okay, there's near infrared is more targeting into your mitochondria.
The far infrared, which is typically more found with saunas are thermal heating,
so it doesn't have the photonic effect.
on the mitochondria as the near infrared, but there's still a benefit from using it.
It's just a different type of benefit.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay, got it.
It's fascinating because there's a bunch of things I've actually wanted
to ask forever about these things.
Because, you know, people tell you about them.
You're like, oh yeah, that sounds interesting.
And then they, oh, what did they say again?
I can't really remember, you know, except that it's apparently good
for me and over there and then you forget about it, you know?
So it's, it's really good to have a.
chance to dive deeper.
There's, there's one more I want to ask you about.
So, and this is to do with stem cells.
So
I think people now, you know,
I used to eat the word stem cell and, but I remember, what was it, you know, 10 or
15 years ago, stem cells were suddenly things that were being talked about.
Oh, what the fuck is a stem cell?
You know, now, now suddenly it's like, Oh yeah, stem cells.
And, and as I understand them, they are the stem, the, the embryo.
of a cell that gets put into place, and then it can be become this cell or that
cell depending on how it gets activated.
But as cells die, they need to be replaced with new stem cells and, or new
cells, which have to be stem, stem cells before they're specialized, no cells
or neurons or I'm trying to think of something funny, but it's escaping me.
So it looks like
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
when we're born, our body has a certain supply of stem cells.
That is.
sits dormant your whole life, pretty much life.
And what happens is when you're, when you incur, when you, when you're
injured or have something happen, where your body gets injured, let's
say like, say you just cut your finger, this is the most simple thing.
The stem cells in your body will get the message.
Hey guys, you need to wake up and go to that finger and repair that finger.
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
And that's like, it's like the poly filler.
It's like the concrete.
It's like, whoop, the concrete's got chipped over there in.
You know, the intelligence of our body, you
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
know, the intelligence of our body will work with those dormant stem
cells and put them where they need to go based on our requirements.
Rupert Isaacson: So with this in mind, talk to me about pulse
electromagnetic field therapy, pulse electromagnetic field therapy.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
So PMF, you know, that's a type of therapy that originated,
I think it was in Germany.
It is part of the it was Germany and also Russia in their space program, what
they found was that the early cosmonauts when they come back from space, you
know, they were doing the long duration spaceflight they would come back and their
bodies would literally be like jello.
They'd come out of the spacecraft and they would collapse with no muscle tone.
You know, their bones were all osteoporotic, their body was literally
melting because they didn't have access to the magnetic field of the earth, right?
So they found out from doing experiments that living organisms on the planet
require magnetic field to even exist.
It's a requirement, just like water and air is a requirement.
They call it vitamin M, you know, the magnetic energy.
It's called vitamin M.
Rupert Isaacson: So given that we're here on the planet and we're getting that, why
do we need this magnetic type of therapy?
Well,
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
it's just like, you know, okay.
So think of it like this modern society we've, for the most
part, cut our connection to the earth, the electromagnetics.
Of the earth.
We walk around in rubber shoes or leather shoes, whatever kind of shoes we're
wearing on, you know, surfaces that are not electrically connected to the planet.
So we've lost that connection right there.
Just that alone, right?
And then you add in all the interference.
Of the modern, you know, electromagnetic pollution that we live in, we're getting
degraded massively from that connection.
And so we need an extra dose, just like, you know, a lot of people now in
LA will go to get an IV of vitamin C or vitamin B or whatever, because the
food is totally lacking in nutrition.
Vitamin M is just as important as any vitamin.
It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a requirement that we have it.
And so what we've seen, and the research really clearly shows this, is that
when you expose yourself to a pulse magnetic field, It's going to increase
and accelerate the healing process, no matter what that thing is, it could be
a bone related injury, a sprain strain, it could be an infection, it could
be you know, a tumor in your brain.
It doesn't really matter when you increase the magnetic energy into
the body, the body will start to repair itself in an accelerated way.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay, but then why not just go lie down under a tree?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
That can work in most cases, I would say, like if you're just looking for wellness.
And like just to maintain your, your, your, your basic energy.
I've totally, I do that myself.
I do that every weekend.
I go to the beach and lay under a tree on the ground.
That's a very, very basic thing you can do.
But what we've seen is when you have either a chronic
illness or an acute injury.
And we're talking about broken bones.
We're talking about people with chronic digester or auto
immune issues and even cancers.
When, when, when the body gets that deranged and out of balance.
and you expose it to a high powered magnetic field, pulsing magnetic field,
it greatly increases the healing.
So when laying underneath the tree is not going to fix a broken bone, okay,
but getting on a high powered EMF will cut your healing time by one fifth.
That's what they've seen.
So it's, it's, you know, there are a lot of times people get a
fracture and it doesn't heal properly or it doesn't heal all the way.
And that's when a pulse magnetic field comes in.
It can finish, it can help the body, assist the body in finishing
that job that it's trying to do.
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
Okay.
And you use a machine for that.
So does the machine it's, and it's got this sort of big head on it.
Is it.
You have this big head because it's just going to throw out this
massive electromagnetic field at you.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Well, we have several different units we use in the office.
The primary one is a pulse table.
And it's literally the patient lays on it.
It's, it's the entire body.
Okay.
Your whole body from head to toe is being saturated in a
very powerful magnetic field.
That's the primary therapy, but we use that one that you're talking about the
head When we want to focus on a specific area like a joint say a knee or a shoulder
or a low back That head will generate a huge magnetic field pulse magnetic
field that will stimulate tissue repair.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, it's, it's interesting.
I'm reading a little bit here from the Mayo clinic.
And also from
the, the FDA has approved it.
It's interesting because you know, they, they're so they won't
approve much that isn't the drug.
I'm actually surprised that they've that they've, that they've, approved
electromagnetic therapy and what is also true is, you know, spoiler alert,
actually I do work with quite a few physicians who wholeheartedly recommend
it for the reasons you just described.
But what I think is interesting is that when I say, well, why
not just go lie under a tree?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
I
Rupert Isaacson: can actually answer that question.
I think that if you do when you say things like, well, it won't heal a
broken bone, I think it will still heal it faster if you can do that.
But I think, but I think the, I think the, the, the truth of the matter is that most
people have no opportunity to lie under a tree, even though they live on planet.
It's so crazy because I think most of us are zoo animals.
We live in cages.
It's not just that we're wearing shoes.
It's that we're walking on concrete.
And we go from, you know, our house to the car, and then we get into a car.
And also the big thing
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
that most people don't even tap into is non native EMFs.
Rupert Isaacson: Indeed I, I, uh I, I I, I know that you don't know much
about the work we do, but the work we do with the brain specifically
with people with autism, trauma psychosis, and so on, one of the first
things we do is take off shoes and go outside because it immediately has.
A calming effect.
And that's why everybody knows when you go to the beach, you know,
drinking hand toes in the sand, that's why does that feel good?
It's the toes in the sand bit that feels good.
Cause you can have a drink in a bar with your toes in leather.
It's actually not the drink that's making you feel good.
It's the toes in the sand and the.
Tapping into the electromagnetic field.
So like a camping trip whenever you lie on the ground, everyone
always comes back from a camping trip feeling rejuvenated feeling.
Yeah.
It's always, it's always the best thing you can do.
And, you know, it's interesting that billionaires don't really spend a lot of
time going to ultra fancy luxury hotels.
They're much more likely to invest in safaris in Zambia, you know,
where they're sleeping in tents.
It's Very much a product, of course, of the industrial age.
But even before that, I think, actually, even of the agricultural age.
First, as we left our hunter gatherer roots, where we're feeling great because
we're living on the planet as we're supposed to, agriculture comes in,
and now we've got hard, repetitive, back breaking, body breaking toil.
Instead of the adventure of hunting and gathering.
And then of course, you know, you throw a bit of slavery in there with it, and
a bit of serfdom, and you're off to the races for some good old suffering.
But then of course what people had a great desire to do, because then being tied to
the land was a form of slavery, was to get off the land, get away from the land.
So when the Industrial Revolution hit, there was a great desire.
For people to leave their sort of feudal settings and
escape the tyranny of the laws.
Of course, they replaced it with the tyranny of factory owners.
But as soon as that happened, and we're now 200 years in 250 years in from this
experiment So however many generations that is of Not it not being possible
to go and say lie under a tree Because you've got to now go to work in a factory
and you live in this house and you're going to work in the factory You're
going to go home sleep in the house.
So since about 1840
The chances for most people in the West to actually go and sit under a
tree every day went from reasonably
often to zero.
And then you've got generation after generation and this rejection
of nature's dangerous, it's scary, we can't go outside, you can't go
outside if it's raining, you can't go outside if it's too hot, you can't go
outside if it's too cold, you can't go out if it's this, if it's that.
So it's only if it's now beach holiday.
Which you probably end up, unless you live in Los Angeles, you know, people will
save up once a year to get on a plane to go for a week and have toes in the sand.
And, and then when they, they, the picture of retirement is,
I'm going to retire to the beach.
Why am I going to retire to the beach?
Well, partly that's the, that's the environment where
homo sapiens sapiens evolved.
Margin of land and water in a warm climate, Africa.
But, so we naturally feel at home there.
Also, it's because that's where we tap into the electromagnetic field,
maybe once a year on vacation.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
Yeah.
So it doesn't surprise me that one might need to hook up to a machine.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Despite the
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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
The other, you know, the other huge thing that's afflicting society men and
women, but more so women after menopause.
I don't know what the actual percentage is, but it's pretty high.
Most women at some point in their life are going to be osteoporotic.
They're going to lose their bone matrix.
Okay.
And they're going to be susceptible to, you know, falls and broken hips
and that will quickly lead to death.
Okay.
So what we've seen clinically with the PMF is that women who are already
osteoporotic and the only option they are given is to take You know, western
meds would actually which will make their bones more dense, but more brittle
and more likely to break So that is not a great, you know remedy for that
situation, but what we've seen is that When women even just lay on the PMF once
a week, their osteoporosis will reverse.
We've seen patients that have gone from osteoporosis to no
osteoporosis in like a year.
It's not something that happens overnight, but you know, we had one lady who, who
in one year went from osteoporosis to no osteoporosis doing the PMF one day a week.
So that's a huge, huge like, factor in, like, sustaining the health
of the population, I would say.
It's huge.
Rupert Isaacson: So, with all of these, these treatments, there are now you know,
many devices out there for doing this.
I've got some in my house.
People talk about different ones and of course everyone
swears by the one they've got.
So, I use something called the Beemer.
B E E M E E R blanket.
Are you familiar with that one from Switzerland?
And we actually got that initially for our horses.
To Improved circulation, microcapillary circulation, which basically chilled
them out and made them more rideable as well as well being and healing.
But then, when we discovered there was a human one, we started sleeping on
that and, oh wow things like jet lag.
started going away and that sort of thing.
And you know, obviously that's a, you know, a form of biofeedback.
And then I also have something, an old Russian device called a scanner.
I
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
love the scanner.
That's one of my go to thing.
I travel, whenever I travel, I have a scanner.
Rupert Isaacson: So for those of you who don't know what it is,
it's a little handheld device.
You put a batteries in it or double A batteries in it.
and it, you put it around your body on anywhere that you've got that you think
might be a bit hurty and it kind of locks on in this weird way and then it goes and
then it goes beep when it's done and then you have to move it on to another spot.
When I smashed up my left leg In six places, I use many things, but
one of the things, you know, I, I, I a scan on the shit out of it and
went through like so many batteries cause it would use up all the juice.
Cause it would, it's supposed to do it for like 30, 40 seconds.
And on this big break, it was like giving me 20 minute doses.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
I was
Rupert Isaacson: afraid I was going to break the machine.
So I, I've been using things for a while, but I know that you are a fan of a couple.
This taught me about the Sigma instrument.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Well, that's it.
Okay.
So what I use to analyze the spine.
Rupert Isaacson: So that's a chiropractic sort of machine
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
tool.
And the interesting history on that is it was originally developed.
as a piezoelectric sensor to test the the the hull of the space shuttle the the
tiles that they put on the space shuttle they use that sensor to check for the hull
integrity okay and then what happened was I guess I don't know who whose idea it
was but They figured out, oh, we can use this to test the integrity of the spine
Oh, that does make sense.
So it got repurposed into a spinal analyzing machine.
Rupert Isaacson: Well, that, that does make sense to me because
the concept of tensity Right.
You know, the, the tension and integrity of a building.
Yeah.
And then bio tensity, all of our tendons and ligaments that support Exactly.
So this
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
teeg of each segment of the spine.
And it also adjusts the segment with a vibration.
So it does the adjustment.
Yeah, so instead of cracking a bone, what it does is it vibrates the joint, instead
of using force, it's using frequency.
So, you know, just through the principle of physics, if you're
using a frequency, you can get actually even a better adjustment.
That is a deeper adjustment than actually cracking a bone because when you love
Rupert Isaacson: the cracking of the bone, if I came in on it, Oh, I want my crack.
I want my crack.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Crack a bone.
What happens?
The body will resist it because it's happening too slow.
When you increase the speed of the adjustment.
It goes below the body's reaction, and you can get a better adjustment.
So I use both.
I start my adjustments out with a sigma instrument.
If I don't see that vertebra move, which I can tell right away
because of the feedback it gives me, I will do a manual adjustment.
Rupert Isaacson: So I still might get my crack, that's good.
Yeah.
Because I like them.
And then so, stem wave.
Tissue joint regeneration regenerative therapy.
This is another one I've heard of and that's huge.
That's a German company.
Is it not?
It's a German,
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
well it's a German design technology.
The original technology came from Germany in the 1980s, and it was
originally called lithotripsy.
It's what they use in hospitals to crush kidney stones.
Ah, okay.
So that, that's the original.
What they found out was, is that those same shock waves, they do sound waves,
very powerful sound waves through water.
to target the kidneys when they had kidney stones.
They still use them today in a hospital.
And, but they found out that those same kind of shock waves would
stimulate the repair of a joint.
And so then the machines then got created at that point that had these
treatment heads so that you could focus the sound waves directly into the joint.
And so the stem wave is one of the top tier machines.
There's a lot of different shockwave devices on the market.
But the, the, they're called electro hydraulic shockwave.
Those are the original lithotripsy type machines.
And there's really only a couple of companies in the world that make them.
So, and they're both German design, basically Germany is the,
Rupert Isaacson: but it's, it's coming down once again to vibration.
It's using the sound is vibration, but
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
the key here is the focus.
And the intensity and the wave form.
So a true shock wave will have a huge wave form that goes straight up
and then down, and then it creates a negative vacuum effect into the tissue.
So it's like a shock wave.
So it's bam into the tissue and negative it's a positive and then a negative.
And that negative is where the bottom of the shock wave is where the cell
gets the active, gets the signal.
to repair.
Interesting.
It gets the signal to activate the body's self repair mechanism,
activating the, the stem cells.
So that, that's the, and that's the reason the machine is called
StemWave because it's actually initiating the, the signaling to do
enhanced and greatly accelerate the healing process within the joint.
Rupert Isaacson: Then
there's another device which again, I've heard of, CyberScan.
Cyber scan, biofeedback analysis, which obviously like a scanner
that we talked about or the Beamer, those are biofeedback as well.
How would something like this, what, how does the cyber scan differ from those?
And what's.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Well, okay, the CyberScan is really the thing that you're going
to love while we talk about it.
But anyway, CyberScan comes from Germany.
And actually, I went to Germany to be trained over a decade ago.
Right near Frankfurt, by the way.
And basically, the way the CyberScan operates is through scalar waves.
Rupert Isaacson: What's a scalar wave?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
That's a great question.
A scalar wave is a non EMF wave.
So all these other things we've been talking about have electromagnetic
frequency, vibration, energy that you can measure with a, you know, a meter.
Okay?
The difference with a scalar wave is you can't measure it.
You cannot, there is no, well.
Rupert Isaacson: How do you know it's there?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Well, that's, okay.
That's, that's a great question.
This is very advanced physics.
Okay, there's very few people in the world even know about this type of
stuff, but essentially it is there, but it's very subtle and it has, it
has like this, the cyber scan has built into it the ability to use
the scalar wave as a measuring tool.
And that now.
What I'm talking about right now is a proprietary invention, okay?
I cannot tell you because I actually don't know myself.
I use it as a practitioner, but I can tell you this, is that the
readings that the CyberScan gives are extraordinarily revealing.
And in the sense that I can scan someone, know zero medical history on that person
and I could probably in 90 plus percent of the people tell them what their main
issue is that they've had their entire life or something that's happened to
them that was very traumatic or caused a lot of disruption in their energy field.
You know, it's hard to explain this because it's not something that we I
even relate to it in holistic medicine, let alone like traditional medicine.
It's it's using very advanced technology that I think it needs further research.
I've seen it work.
The reason I even got into the cyber scan is because it worked with me and with my
wife, you know, because the cyber scan also makes remedies that are imprinted.
I'll show you one of the cards, but you can imprint the remedies.
On to a magnetic strip that are gained from the biofeedback
and, you know, basically
Rupert Isaacson: like homeopathy.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Exactly.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
So it's basically a homeopathy machine.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
It is, but not in the traditional sense.
Okay.
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Instead of using substances, because homeopathy uses substances
that are deluded to the point that they don't exist in the fluid.
The CyberScan is directly testing the energetics of the person's body
through the scan from the scalar wave.
Now the reason they actually developed the CyberScan is because of Germany,
they were using these Bhole devices.
I don't know if you're familiar with Bhole, where they would do
testing, electromagnetic testing of the meridian points on the finger.
That's a testing device that was developed in the, I think,
in the 50s and 60s in Germany.
And they used those for decades, but what, what, and they would use those to
test different substances, homeopathy, as well as herbal remedies, and they'd
use that as a testing device, right?
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
And I've seen those at work and I've, I've seen them get good, good results.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah.
So those are fantastic tools.
There were a couple of things that were downsides with that technology.
One being practitioner Dependent error.
So depending on how the petitioner would use it, it could vary the results.
That was one factor.
The other factor is that you're using electromagnetic energy,
which will affect the meridian.
Okay, because you're introducing an outside energy source.
So now the body is not being tested in the most neutral
format that you could test it in.
So what they theorize is if you could test the body With a non EMF
wave, meaning a scalar wave, you can get a much more accurate and
detailed reading of that person.
And so that's how they developed this system.
Yeah.
So.
Rupert Isaacson: Interesting.
So I'm, I'm, I'm now looking at scale, scalar waves.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah, yeah.
Rupert Isaacson: And I've got some really interesting things here.
Unlike conventional electromagnetic waves, scalar waves are believed to be
non Hertzian, meaning they do not travel through space and time in the same way
as traditional electromagnetic waves.
Scalar waves are often described as standing waves, meaning they
do not move through space, but exist as stationary patterns.
in space.
And then, I go a bit deeper.
Scalar waves, in other words, describe the flow and movement of energy in space.
Scalar waves, also known as longitudinal waves, were theorized by James
Maxwell and proven by Nikola Tesla, earning them the name Tesla waves.
So it seems that they're the same as the Tesla waves.
And then this is interesting.
Scalar waves are superluminal, which means that they move faster than the speed of
light because they're unbounded by the limitations of three dimensional space.
Also, since they don't exist in the third dimension in the way that
matter does, they move through the empty spaces between all matter.
Ha
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
ha!
You know, I'm still just blown away by right.
And
Rupert Isaacson: I guess it's because of this that Nikola Tesla discovered
that with these waves that you can do the you can generate any electricity
or energy without losing energy without entropy, because it's not traveling
through three dimensional time and space, therefore encountering resistance.
So it doesn't lose its power.
You
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
know, so they somehow figured out how to use these waves to measure the
body that that that part, the part that's still to me to this day, I
don't understand how it does it right.
Because Nikola
Rupert Isaacson: Tesla wanted to use it to give wireless energy transmission
and he was, he was poised to do that.
And, you know, his backer was JP Morgan Chase Bank, who then pulled out.
And wouldn't
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
well when he found out he wanted to give it away for free because it
Rupert Isaacson: couldn't he couldn't make any money off it so
he went with oil and gas instead.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
So, anyway, they somehow figured out how to make a medical use out of this thing.
I really think it should be in every hospital in the world just
because what I've seen with it, it'll pick up things that it's almost
impossible for any other way of testing the body can even including.
You know, every kind of functional test you can imagine.
The CyberScan will pick things up.
It just does.
I don't I, to this day, am flabbergasted at how it can do that.
But I've tested people that are very up there in the genetic realm.
They do genetic testing and everything.
And I've tested those people.
And I tell them the results and they're literally like, dude, you just told me
everything that I know that's going on with me that it took me a month to get
the results from my genetic testing.
We're talking about the top people in the world that do this.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, it's,
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
it's,
Rupert Isaacson: so, there's there've been studies, it seems, showing that
scalar waves may play a role in promoting cellular repair, enhancing DNA function
and supporting the body's natural healing.
Very interesting.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah, it's extremely fascinating stuff.
I, I'm, I, I'm blown away by it.
Rupert Isaacson: You know, it makes the fact that it's a Tesla wave,
it's so interesting, isn't it?
Because what was it Tesla said?
If you want to understand the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy,
frequency, and vibration, frequency, and vibration, and all these methodologies
you're talking about come down to various forms of frequency and vibration.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
It's all about frequency.
Even
Rupert Isaacson: if it's not necessarily electromagnetic, some
of them are, some of them aren't.
And yes, we need the electromagnetic ones, but it seems there are
other ones we need as well.
Isn't it fascinating to be?
alive on the planet at a time when this stuff is suddenly
emerging into the mainstream.
Because I mean, I've been using say a scanner for over 20 years, you
know, and the beamer for at least 10.
But I would say that when someone first showed me a scanner I totally poo pooed
it and despite the fact that I spent lots of time observing shamanic healings
in the Kalahari and that sort of thing.
But of course that's different because that's ancient culture.
And so, you know, and anyway, it's happening in front of your eyes.
So you, you see it happen, you know, you can't deny that person gets up and walks
away who couldn't before or whatever.
But I went to Honduras.
On an assignment, a journalistic assignment, and I got bitten by a spider.
And, it was probably a brown recluse.
But my face swelled up.
And, the lump just kind of wouldn't go away.
Just kind of was this Lump on the side of my face from the spider
and it, you know, I kind of thought, I've been in Africa a lot.
I've been in, yeah, it'll go away.
It'll go away, you know, and it was not going away.
And finally my friend had the S scan.
I said, why don't you let me try the S scanner on it?
I'm like, well, okay, fine.
Two days it was gone.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
It was this your first time being spoken?
Yeah.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
And I was like, all.
Maybe there's something in this,
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
I met the, you know, the Russian doctor who brought the scanner to this country,
but it was like about 20 years ago.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, it was,
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
they were
Rupert Isaacson: using it, you know, behind the iron curtain to enhance
athletic performance and that heal their athletes and that sort of thing.
But she
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
came here, like I was, I was among the group of the first physicians
that got training in the scanner.
Like it was probably 25 years ago.
Rupert Isaacson: Yes, I think I think so.
Yeah, and I think I was I must have been yeah, you know, that's it was about that
I think I was I think I was first exposed to it in about 2000 and One or two.
Yeah, I always forget that that was 25 years ago.
I think it was well, you know that now there's
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
I don't know if you're aware of it, but they have scanner units now.
They're called Dinos It's it it's a different company, but it's by the
the original inventor of scanner He created another company called
Dinos And those units are consumer friendly, and they're only, you know,
you can buy them in this country for like 350, they're very cheap now.
Rupert Isaacson: Oh right, because the scanner is expensive, right, yeah.
Yeah, the
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
original scanners are thousands of dollars.
Rupert Isaacson: And even the handheld device is like 850, yeah.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah, but now the D NOS units are as little as 300, 350.
They're very easy to get.
Rupert Isaacson: I'm just Looking them up now.
Okay.
So, if people were wanting to learn more about this, I mean, obviously you're
sitting in Los Angeles, and if people want to go to your clinic, they can.
And we'll certainly, you know, have you, people, how they can do that.
But, the vast majority of our listeners are not in Los Angeles.
They're all over the place.
So, if they were wanting to get some advice on some of these things.
And orient themselves.
I'm sure some people have been taking notes through this podcast and other
people will do what I do when there's interesting stuff on podcasts, go
back and re-listen to it and write that bit down that you forgot.
But can they contact you and can you help orient them?
Oh yeah.
We website, they can find something in their hood where they're,
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
yeah.
Our websites THU heal, T-H-U-H-E l.com.
Rupert Isaacson: PHU.
Heal, HEA l.com.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Transformational Healing universe.com.
Rupert Isaacson: T.
T, not P, yeah.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
T.
T, yeah.
T-H-U-H-E-A-L-T-A
Rupert Isaacson: drink.
T.
What's it?
Dore Me.
A drink with jam and bread.
So
THU
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
and then U and then the word HEAL and then dot com.
Yeah, and we have a Instagram that's the same.
It's just THU HEAL on Instagram.
And
Rupert Isaacson: do you Could you consult with people?
Do you give people advice who are, you know, in Rotherham, Northern England or
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Queen's?
I have patients that come from all over the world.
I have a guy here right now that we've been treating for a
whole, he's here for 40 days.
He, he ended up with a glioblastoma in his brain from Canada, actually.
And he's been here for an entire month.
Treating eight hours a day, you know, with cases like that, we'll treat the
patient literally eight hours a day,
Rupert Isaacson: but for people who can't get to you but need advice about
where they could look for certain types of device and technology in there.
Yeah.
In their area.
Can you help orient them a bit?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Sure.
Yeah.
They can contact us through either the website or the Instagram.
Super.
Yeah.
Rupert Isaacson: That's great.
And then you're also, of course, using yoga in your practice.
Would you say everybody should have kind of a yoga practice?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah, definitely.
Rupert Isaacson: Can I, can I, can I do my little devil's advocate qualifier that
I, it's always been in the back of my mind about yoga, which is that I used to
have a very good yoga practice years ago.
And then I could totally let it slide because I became a parent and
also I'm so active with horses and there's no question I felt great.
However, you know, and I know that yoga was something in ancient India
and modern India for the wealthy classes who can, who have the
leisure to sit around and needing.
To move their bodies with yoga and that the blokes that you see out there breaking
stones on the road and carrying stuff around on their heads through the traffic
and Bob, they're not doing yoga because they got no time to do yoga, you know?
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Let me just say that the reason I do kundalini yoga, I don't know, most
people don't know this, but kundalini yoga was designed for the household or
person just exactly what you're saying.
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
People who have busy lives, who have kids, who are working.
I'm the same way.
I work 10, 12 hours a day.
I don't have a whole lot of time.
Rupert Isaacson: Right.
'cause yeah, my yoga practice was like the yoga practice of like a
young man who's not a parent yet, and it's like out the window.
Well,
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
the thing is, but the Kundalini, my Kundalini practice consists
of three to 11 minutes of yoga.
Okay.
A day.
And that's actually enough if you know, if you're doing the right movements
and breathing patterns and stuff.
Where you can regulate your entire physiology in 3 11 minutes.
Rupert Isaacson: Because I am a great believer, you know, I'm playing
Devil's Advocate, I do believe in it.
And I do know that also if you are leading a normal life, which is a very
sedentary life, and you have to do, you have to go from house to car, or
house to train, to work, to back end, or even now these days with home office,
because People are still expecting you to be sitting there available on zoom
for the same number of hours if not more than you ever So you're still sitting?
Just without the travel.
Can you advise people we haven't time to go into it now in this particular podcast?
But can you help advise people when they contact you on how to get together a
small yoga practice that would enhance?
So yeah, so they're not just dependent on these devices and machines that also
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
100%.
I mean, we, we, my wife's Kundalini yoga teacher is I am too, but she
specializes in that and can teach people either in groups or in on
zoom or, you know, one on one.
But Kundalini yoga is very easy to learn.
It's very simple to do.
And it's, and it's fun.
That's the thing about like.
Whatever activity you're doing for health or wellness, if it's
not fun, then you shouldn't do it.
Yeah,
Rupert Isaacson: I so agree.
I mean,
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
if you're going to, if you're going to sustain any practice at all, you'd
better have some element of fun.
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.
I can't, I can't exercise unless it feels like I'm just having a laugh.
Then I can do it all day.
Like I can dance all night and I'll happily climb that mountain.
And I'll ride, you know, train horses all day, but ask me to go to the gym and
I'm like, I'm so bored within three now.
I know some people absolutely adore the gym.
It's a different, it's a different temperament, different personality type.
But for me, as you say, if it doesn't involve play, I'm not, I'm not there.
Yeah.
And I think that's a nice note to end on, which is that play,
I think really is so important.
What's the, what's the age old cliche, but it's a true one.
We don't.
Stop playing because we get old.
We get old because we stop playing.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
100 percent That's the essence.
This whole conversation.
Be like a kid.
Connect with nature.
And, you know, Heal yourself with fun.
Heal yourself with fun.
Rupert Isaacson: Words to live by.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
You know Norman Cousins?
You know who that is?
No,
Rupert Isaacson: I don't.
Tell me.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Do it after we go offline, but Norman Cousins was a very famous.
I think it was a writer or both famous guy.
Bottom line is he got a terminal diagnosis.
They said, Okay, you're not going to live.
And so what he did.
to heal himself is he said okay i'm gonna watch a comedy every day like a
comedy movie tv show whatever every day for like a month right from his hospital
bed in one month he was completely cured just from laughing Every day
Rupert Isaacson: and he lived to be 85.
I'm looking at I'm looking about now I
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
mean, that's it.
That's that's the ultimate and that was with no yoga.
No technology.
That was just by laughing
Rupert Isaacson: You know, I think that's a podcast we got to do is like I'm
brick coming laugh therapy is coming up
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah,
Rupert Isaacson: Oh God, that will be fun.
Let's do that.
I'll do gonna do that one
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah.
Rupert Isaacson: All right.
Brilliant.
Awesome.
Well, so much for coming on.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah.
My pleasure, man.
I appreciate it.
Thank you.
Rupert Isaacson: Maybe we'll do it again.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Okay.
Rupert Isaacson: All right.
When I'm in Los Angeles, I get there from time to time.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah.
Well, it'd be fun to hang out with you.
I'll
Rupert Isaacson: do it.
Okay.
Only if it, well, maybe we're a little bit of fun.
Maybe.
Yeah.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Yeah.
Rupert Isaacson: All right.
Be well until the next time.
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:
Okay.
Thank you.
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