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Rupert Isaacson: Thanks for joining us.

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I'm your host, Rupert Isaacson, New
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So now let's jump in.

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Okay.

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Today we're looking at alternative
medicine and we're looking

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at the sort of new generation
where technology meets medicine

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biotechnology, medical technology.

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So most, most of us are used
to thinking of alternative.

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medicine as medical practices
like Ayurveda and so on and so on.

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But in recent decades, and
increasingly in an accelerated way,

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there's been a great upsurge in the
understanding of vibration frequency.

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As medicine and many companies,
especially in Europe creating devices

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that are now being adopted by doctors and
other types of practitioner worldwide.

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And so it's, it's really
worth taking a dive.

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So I've got with me Ha Hari Khalsa,
who's a doctor, a chiropractic

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doctor from Los Angeles with us.

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Ha Hari, thanks for coming on.

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Who are you and what do you do?

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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Well, I'm really honored to be here.

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First of all, thank you so much for
spending the time to listen and hear me.

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I, well, I've been a
chiropractor since 1988.

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I've been in the holistic realm doing,
you know, with yoga, meditation,

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vegetarian lifestyle since 1980.

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So it's about 40, 40,
45 years now, actually.

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It started when I was
young, when I was 20.

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And so I, I've always been a, you know,
very open to holistic methods of healing

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since I was 20 basically I, my history
is I, I was kind of like a daredevil

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when I was a kid, and I ended up by the
time I was 20 I was in chronic pain from

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a lot of different skiing accidents.

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Clip diving, getting hit by trucks,
all different kind of things happening.

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But bottom line was by the time
I was 20, I was racked in pain.

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And the medical doctors told me that I
had the spine of a 70 year old at 20.

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And I was like, Oh my
God, that's not good.

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Rupert Isaacson: Seven
year old or a 70 year old.

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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I would, I would know I was 20 and
I had the spine of a 70 year old.

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Rupert Isaacson: Okay.

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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I was 20.

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So I was like, Okay, what do I do?

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So the medical doctors, you know,
I was, I didn't know anything about

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holistic medicine at that point.

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All I knew was, I went to a medical
doctor maybe once or twice my whole

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life and I didn't even know anything
about chiropractic And so I just did

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what the medical doctors told me to
do go to the physical therapist take

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drugs You know, so I did that for like
a year and really nothing changed.

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I was still in pain and what
happened was I was in a yoga

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class and I Told the yoga teacher.

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I said, listen, it's hard for me to
do the yoga because it's so much pain.

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What, you know, what, what do you have?

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What, what can you suggest?

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He said, well, you should
go to see a chiropractor.

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And I'm like, well,
what is a chiropractor?

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I didn't even know, you know, what
chiropractic is only used by about

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less than 10 percent of the population.

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In the United States,
probably worldwide, too.

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I mean, it's not well known.

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It's been actively suppressed for probably
over 100 years by the medical profession.

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Unfortunately, they because we're a
direct threat to their livelihood, right?

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Rightfully so, because a lot of
chiropractic actually does work.

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So in my case, it did work.

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It helped me Get out of the pain
I was in and then that, that's

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kind of what launched me into the
idea of even being a chiropractor.

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I was on the path of actually
going to medical school and

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I was in a very young age.

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I was working in biotech.

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I actually worked in a company
that made heart valves.

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when I was 16.

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So I was very science oriented.

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I really was passionate about
medicine and I really thought

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I wanted to be a medical doctor
because I didn't know any different.

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But once I met the chiropractor,
it was like light bulbs went off.

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I was like, Oh my God,
this is what I want to do.

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So it made a whole lot of sense to me.

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And at the time my chiropractor
was also a naturopath.

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So he was working with homeopathy
And cranial, you know doing cranial

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work pretty even for chiropractic.

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He was exotic back then and so I was
totally blown away by that experience

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and it it really propelled me into the
whole world of holistic healing And so

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I've, you know, been practicing, like I
said, since 1988 as a chiropractor and

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I've studied pretty much consistently.

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I've never stopped studying
ever since I got out of school.

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School is just to get you started.

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But if you're a true healer,
you're still You're studying and

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researching your entire life.

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So I literally have been studying
and researching this field of

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holistic medicine for 44 years.

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That's how I kind of
came to where I'm at now.

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Rupert Isaacson: So chiropractic how
is that different from osteopathy?

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Can you give us the
one, two, three on that?

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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Okay, so they're they're like
parallel professional, the original.

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Okay, so there's a big difference about
current, but the original osteopaths

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and chiropractors were doing manual
therapy, you know, adjusting the spine

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with their hands, you know, slightly
different flavor, different techniques,

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but Basically, the idea was to unblock the
vertebra said you had proper nerve flow.

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Your body works better, right?

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That's the nuts and bolts of it.

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But what happened over the
years was the osteopaths.

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went more into mainstream
medicine and started, you know,

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incorporating drugs and surgery.

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And now they're more like at the
status of say, a orthopedic doctor

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where the chiropractors stay in the
realm of drug free medicine, but

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still focusing on manual therapy.

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I would say those are like the
overarching big picture type thing.

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You know, within those professions you
do have holistic practitioners in both.

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Like for example, Dr.

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Mercola.

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I don't know if you know who that is.

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Dr.

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Joe.

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Rupert Isaacson: Dr.

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Who?

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Sorry.

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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Mercola.

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Dr.

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Joe Mercola.

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He tell me about Dr.

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Joe

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Rupert Isaacson: Cola.

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No, tell me about him.

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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Well, he's, he's probably the best
known holistic doctor in the world.

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He's got, he was, you know, during
the era, he was, he was the number

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one band doctor on the internet.

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They took him down.

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He was one of the first
guys they took down.

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But he has a huge following.

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You have to search for it though,
because they, you know, they

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banned him off the internet.

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So, but he's an osteopath, but
he's, he's deep, very deep.

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He's one of my mentors.

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I follow him daily.

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He, you know, has a newsletter that
he puts out every day about different

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topics, but he's an osteopath, right?

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So there's, there's a lot of
crossover, but I'd say, you know,

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in, in general, it's the same
concept, but with different flavors.

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Rupert Isaacson: Got it.

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I'm looking up Dr.

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Joe Mercola,

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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take

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Rupert Isaacson: control of your health.

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Physician, 70 years old just, this is just
for the listeners so that they know I'm

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quickly, I quickly jumped on my phone.

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Here we go.

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Dr.

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Joseph McCullough is a physician and
New York times bestselling author.

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He was voted the ultimate wellness game
changer by the Huffington post and has

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been featured in okay, blah, blah, blah.

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His mission is to transform the
traditional medicine medical paradigm

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in the United States into one in which
the root cause of disease is treated

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The root cause of disease is treated
rather than the symptoms in addition He

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aims to expose corporate and government
fraud and mass media hype that often

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sends people down an unhealthy path
Yeah, they'll get you crucified for sure

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But he seems to be doing all right up
there on the cross I'm just also while

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you were talking you because you were
you were mentioning, you know, the

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history of chiropractic being over a
hundred years old and I I looked that

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up and it's indeed, I see that it's
indeed true, which I didn't know.

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I just want to, for the listeners,
just give you a couple of

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paragraphs of this because I
think it helps to provide context.

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So, I'm on Wikipedia.

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The history of chiropractic began in 1895.

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When Daniel David Palmer of Iowa
performed the first chiropractic

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adjustment on a partially deaf janitor,
Harvey Lillard, while Lillard was

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working without his shirt on in Palmer's
office, Lillard bent over to empty

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the trash can and Palmer noticed that
Lillard had a vertebra out of position.

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He asked Lillard what happened, and
Lillard replied, I moved the wrong

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way and I heard a pop in my back,
and that's when I lost my hearing.

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Palmer, who was also involved in many
other natural healing philosophies,

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had Lillard lie face down on the floor
and proceeded with the adjustment.

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The next day, Lillard told Palmer, I
can hear the racket on the streets.

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This experience led Palmer to open a
school of chiropractic two years later.

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Reveal, Reverend Samuel H.

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Weed coined the term chiropractic
by combining the Greek words chiro,

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hand, and praktikos, doing or

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Okay.

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Interesting.

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So of course I've gone to
chiropractors in my life.

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And usually I've gone for an
adjustment, but I wouldn't say I've

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gone for any kind of health condition.

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And I wouldn't say that I've noticed a.

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uptick in my physical health or
mental health either way, other

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than the relief of tension.

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But do you think I should have?

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Or does that just mean that maybe
I was doing fine and there wasn't

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anything really that much to fix?

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Or what's your take on that?

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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Well, that's a really deep question
you're asking, because the thing is,

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is back then, you know, over, you
know, back in the 1800s, you know,

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when Didi was alive, there was a lot
less toxicity and electromagnetic

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stress in the, on the planet.

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You know, we didn't
have, how did you know I

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Rupert Isaacson: was that old?

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Well, I just,

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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then I look great, but the thing
is like back then, you know, we

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didn't, we, you know, think about it.

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Like right now we have over 80, 000
environmental toxins that are in our body.

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As we speak, every human on the
planet has 80, 000 environmental

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pollutants in our body, heavy
metals, organic bottle compounds,

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forever chemicals, nanoplastics.

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There's only eight.

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There's over 80, 000 of
them that are in our body.

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So those things are
disruptors of hormones.

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It interferes with mitochondrial function.

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It's causing so, so much
havoc within ourselves that a

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chiropractic adjustment 100 years
ago could cure something like it.

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Like deafness or cancer or whatever,
just because you're releasing the

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pressure on a nerve, the problem now
that we face and what you said is a

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perfect analogy is the chiropractic
adjustment now is only going to relieve

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maybe 10 percent of your interference
because now you've got electromagnetic

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stress and all these environmental
factors that are shutting down and

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inhibiting your proper cell function.

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Rupert Isaacson: There's a question
that I often wonder with that, you

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know, when one reads obviously I'm a
journalist, so, you know, I always go,

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hmm, you know, whenever I read anything,
including anything I write or anything

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I say but one frequently has a picture
presented of this is sort of the most,

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you know, toxic time we've ever lived.

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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Hmm.

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Rupert Isaacson: Is it?

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I remember, for example, as a boy
in London, the pea super fogs.

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That don't exist anymore before
the Clean Air Act came in.

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And I remember people had tuberculosis.

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I remember people had
various types of conditions.

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There was polio.

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There were other things as well, you know,

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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do, but, you know, do
you know the word polio?

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This is something I just

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Rupert Isaacson: figured out.

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Uhhuh

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,  Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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they changed the definition.

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So now when you get gi, gi,
Gillian Beret syndrome, you

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know that syndrome that you get?

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I,

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Rupert Isaacson: I do not, no.

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Gillian Beret.

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Well anyway.

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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Bottom line is they
changed the definition.

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Rupert Isaacson: Ah, well that's handy.

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People still get

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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polio.

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They just don't call it that anymore.

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We

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Rupert Isaacson: had that, we had that
with a , a nuclear reactor in England

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in the eighties, who, which had a
leak, so it was called wind scale.

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So the government solved the problem
by changing the name of the reactor

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to sell a field, and, and it worked.

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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I mean, the tricks they play on us.

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So that's,

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Rupert Isaacson: but nonetheless,
I remember people's health being

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severely compromised back then.

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And then, you know, I spent a lot of
time in the parts of the world, like,

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you know, India or say Turkey in the
winter, you know, where you get, you

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know, coal fired stuff, you know, in
the way you go to Delhi right now, you

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know, like massive, massive pollution.

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But that was.

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Europe.

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And that certainly was the United States
in any industrial industrialized city,

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even certainly a hundred years ago.

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So people were dropping like flies
from all sorts of toxicities.

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And of course things weren't controlled.

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Foods were not controlled.

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People were taking all kinds of
terrible things and dying from them

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and getting diseases from them.

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So are things actually more toxic
now or are we just more aware of it?

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Sorry to say that.

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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Yeah, the thing is, is that back then,
there was maybe 20 things, right?

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20.

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Now we've got 80, 000.

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That's a huge difference.

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That are, you know, forever chemicals.

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That means they're not going away.

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They're in the environment.

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They're circulating through.

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And yet we

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Rupert Isaacson: live longer.

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And our bodies last longer.

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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Right, and the reason is because we got
better hygiene, you know, everything

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in our lives are improved since a
hundred years ago, mainly because

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of hygiene, sewage waste treatment.

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Penicillin.

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There's a lot of things we've done
right, but over 50 percent of the

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population is suffering from some
sort of chronic or autoimmune disease.

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That's not That's not normal

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Rupert Isaacson: that I'll give you.

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Also, you know, for me, I'm lucky
because the lifestyle I live I have

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all parallel career where we, I train
horses and we are constantly, constantly,

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you know, hours and hours and hours
a day out there in nature doing that.

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So if I go for a chiropractic
adjustment, it's because,

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you know, something happened.

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But.

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In general, I'm moving, I'm limber,
I'm out in nature, I'm breathing

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in a lot of poo particles from
herbivores, which is good for me.

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I know they're

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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probably healthy for you.

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I'm

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Rupert Isaacson: told that's very
good for the, for the, my gut

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bacteria and so on and so on.

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There's been an interesting study on
dairy farmers in in the Netherlands

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who don't seem to get cancer even
though they're chain smokers.

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And it seems to come down from what I read
to the inhalation over decades of cow poo.

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So

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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they're getting all
the healthy microbiome.

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Rupert Isaacson: Indeed.

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So I'm, I'm, I'm a believer.

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I believe in poo, but those who know
me know how much I believe in poo.

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But I, you know, so it's, it's
interesting to me because we, we

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often get this picture presented to
us of, Oh my God, we're in crisis.

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And if you look back at every generation
for as long as written records, you'll

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see, Oh my God, we're in crisis.

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However, perhaps what's
true is that the crisis.

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I have a very good friend.

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Whose dad had a great if you've
got a problem, get a bigger one.

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So maybe, you know, but that doesn't
mean, and I I'm, I'm, I'm just

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being, I'm not being flippant, but
I'm being, I want to raise these

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questions because I do think that.

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One of the ills of our age is people
perceiving themselves as unwell.

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When they might or might not be.

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And that, I think, is sometimes
as big an issue as people actually

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being unwell because of lifestyle.

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It's, it's a funny, strange line
that people have to tread now.

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What do you think about that?

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Because we get so much negative
stuff through the media.

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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You know, you have your epigenetic
stressors, which are the things that

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are environmental like what we're
talking about, but also personal history

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trauma that we store in ourselves.

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It's cell memory, right?

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And that's not only personal,
it's also transpersonal.

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So You know what you're saying?

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Like people are unwell, they don't
know why, you know, and a lot of times

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it's not because of them, it could be
because of the group think, you know,

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when we were in the midst of COVID, the
group think was very, very demented and

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weird, you know, you gotta wear a mask,
you gotta, you know, it was all based

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on lies, you know, so we're being pre
programmed societally to believe a lie.

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I never believed it from day one, but
you know, I, I'm just one little guy,

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but you know, most of the population of
the world bought into the lie of COVID,

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which was, you know, you gotta wear a
mask and six feet of this and this, and

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this, you know, it was just made up.

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We know now it's all fraud, but back
then everybody took it real seriously

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because it was like a life threatening
thing, you know, and you're right.

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Like we're always being
presented with the next.

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You know, dangerous thing, you know,
and you know, the way I kind of, the

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way I perceive it for me anyway, it's
like, you have to live your life like

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you're Neo in the matrix, like, you
got to realize, first of all, you're

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in a matrix, and the matrix is there
to control you, and your job is to

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break the chains of that control.

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On the physical and the emotional
and the mental, all three.

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Rupert Isaacson: Has it not
always been so, here I go again?

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So, if you were in where I'm sitting now,
interviewing you from Germany, if we'd

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been sitting here 85 years ago, if I'd
been sitting here 85 years ago, there

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would have been a groupthink going on.

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That said, do some very, very, very
bad and reckless things as a nation.

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And believe in this wholeheartedly.

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Go off and commit a bunch of
atrocities and then destroy yourselves.

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And everyone went, I'll hit that.

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So it's not the first time we can eat

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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animals.

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You know, we're not a whole lot different
than elk or deer, you know, let's go

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Rupert Isaacson: take back the
Holy land, you know, 12th century

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France, you know, or let's go.

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Make Europe under Islam, you know,
the Ottoman Empire or the 8th century.

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So those group thinks for, for conquest
and sort of negative, you know, the

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Mongols, you know, let's kill everybody.

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We get everybody from the Pacific to
the Mediterranean every two generations.

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So those types of negative group
thinks have been around for a bit.

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Are we any different now?

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Really?

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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I think we're just more
sophisticated with it.

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We have way more.

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Input through our antenna.

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You know, our brain is an antenna,
and we're getting massively way

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more data coming in than we've ever
had in the history of the planet.

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Like, you know, they talk about AI.

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We are AI.

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Our brains are hooked in.

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We don't need a chip in our brain.

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We already have the internet
and we're hooked in planetarily.

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Just the fact that you and me
are sitting here talking, I'm in

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Los Angeles, you're in Germany.

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I mean, it's happening
all over the planet, but

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Rupert Isaacson: that's an
essentially good thing because

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here we are disseminating
information that for well being.

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Right.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I, I, these things are always
seem to be balanced out.

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I'm only, I'm only raising these questions
because I'm, I'm playing devil's advocate.

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I'm a great believer in all of the, um,
movements within alternative medicine

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because I myself have seen, experienced
and, and delved into many of them.

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And I also know, you know, that to
some degree, the history of the.

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American you know, Physicians Association
and how that monopoly was deliberately

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created in the sort of 1920s and so on.

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And what medicine looked like
before that and what it's looked

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like since and so on and so on.

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So it's, It's been an, it's an evolution
and I do want to get into this.

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One thing more though I
want to ask you about you.

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So you are called Har Hari Khalsa.

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And you're sitting opposite
me wearing a Sikh turban.

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But I don't think you were born a Sikh.

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Now and Sikhism is a very interesting
and very specific philosophy

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and way of life, as you know.

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So me growing up in, in London and You
know, the Commonwealth and the aftermath

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of the Empire and all of that and then
having spent quite a lot of time in

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India myself I'm somewhat familiar with
Sikhism and I know that Khalsa is a is

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a High, I think you can't really use
the word caste within within Sikhism

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because As far as I know, Carl, no

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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s is just a, you know,
it's like Smith or Jones.

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It's a common

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Rupert Isaacson: No, no, no.

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It's, it's the, the s were a very,
very influential and high born clan.

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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Yeah.

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Well, in the pun, Punjab.

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In Benal.

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It's not about birth.

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Were they, were sort top of about birth.

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It's not a birth oriented thing.

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It is a.

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Conscious commitment to
consciousness, like to pure calls.

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It means pure words, right?

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So it's basically living a pure lifestyle,
you know, when I started that meant being

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a vegetarian doing yoga Meditating every
day, you know, but purity basically,

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that's what calls the means and it and I
think it transcends religion In the sense

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of I think the thing that differentiates
the Sikhs from every other religion

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is technically Sikh is not a religion.

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Sikh means student of the truth.

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Right.

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And so that's why I embrace it
at a very young age because I, I

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recognized a lot of falsehood and
lack of integrity in modern religion.

00:24:02.011 --> 00:24:07.821
I was born Jewish and I respect the
religions, but for me it wasn't enough.

00:24:07.971 --> 00:24:14.831
I wanted to have a much deeper spiritual
experience of spirituality, which you

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get from doing yoga and meditating.

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Rupert Isaacson: So, and Could one
not find that within the mystic

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traditions of any religion, though?

00:24:21.261 --> 00:24:21.971
Yeah, exactly.

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But it takes a

00:24:23.311 --> 00:24:23.312
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

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conscious effort.

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Sufism,

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Rupert Isaacson: you know.

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Yeah,

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Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:24:25.771 --> 00:24:32.641
well, all these things, it doesn't Okay,
we differentiate it, like Sufism, Sikhism,

00:24:32.671 --> 00:24:39.246
but in reality It's being present in the
present moment with your breath, with your

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mind, with your body, with your intention.

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We put different labels on that, right?

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But it's meditation is in action.

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It's not a static thing where
you're sitting there on a pillow

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and just emptying your mind.

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It's something you, it's your life.

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It's how you live.

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Rupert Isaacson: Right, but I think
a lot of, say, Benedictines would say

00:25:00.256 --> 00:25:03.166
the same thing, or Sufis or whatever.

00:25:03.336 --> 00:25:07.306
So why pick, why, you say,
why then pick a particular?

00:25:07.466 --> 00:25:10.586
Well, okay, so that's a really
good, that's like a personal,

00:25:10.586 --> 00:25:10.587
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:25:10.586 --> 00:25:14.636
okay, so the question you have there,
I, and this is gonna sound very

00:25:14.636 --> 00:25:17.736
bizarre for some of your people, but
I'll just tell you my, what happened.

00:25:17.826 --> 00:25:25.026
I, when I was, 19 years old, I
saw Sikhs walking on the road and

00:25:25.026 --> 00:25:26.806
I'm like, what the hell is that?

00:25:26.826 --> 00:25:32.846
Like, it just kind of, my brain just went,
went into like some kind of spinning.

00:25:32.896 --> 00:25:33.696
I don't even understand.

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Like, I just was like, whoa.

00:25:35.366 --> 00:25:40.816
And then what happened with me is
I started taking yoga classes with

00:25:40.816 --> 00:25:45.036
a Sikh Turban Westerner, right.

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In a college at University
of Oregon and Eugene.

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And I started having
these prophetic dreams.

00:25:52.966 --> 00:25:55.666
While I was, you know, in the
midst of doing all this yoga.

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And basically what had happened is
I started having a past life recall

00:26:00.916 --> 00:26:05.106
of being with these Sikh gurus in
India, and I didn't know who they

00:26:05.106 --> 00:26:07.036
were or why I was having these dreams.

00:26:07.366 --> 00:26:09.371
And I'm like, What the heck?

00:26:09.541 --> 00:26:13.901
You know, because I was seeing clearly
these visions of these historical

00:26:13.901 --> 00:26:16.821
events with the Sikh gurus in my dream.

00:26:17.331 --> 00:26:19.881
And I didn't know what it meant
and I didn't know who they were.

00:26:20.061 --> 00:26:24.431
And then I found out later who these
people were and what the vision was.

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And I'm like, Oh my God,
I was, I was in shock.

00:26:27.941 --> 00:26:30.411
I was like, I was a Sikh in my past life.

00:26:32.651 --> 00:26:34.531
If you believe in Palestine, I don't know.

00:26:35.021 --> 00:26:40.941
It's a collective remembering individual,
whatever point is, is I had a clear

00:26:40.961 --> 00:26:43.741
vision of being with these gurus.

00:26:44.736 --> 00:26:50.446
You know, historic, and so I happened
to be at the same time, Yogi Bhajan,

00:26:50.886 --> 00:26:56.816
who lives, lived here in, in California,
he was teaching and there was a

00:26:56.816 --> 00:27:01.986
huge movement of Kundalini Yoga and
Sikhism, and I just was like, you

00:27:01.986 --> 00:27:03.856
know what, I'm supposed to be here.

00:27:03.976 --> 00:27:06.886
It was just something I knew I
needed to be and I ended up living

00:27:06.886 --> 00:27:09.646
in an ashram in Boulder, Colorado.

00:27:09.966 --> 00:27:11.796
That's, I actually went to
school at the University of

00:27:11.796 --> 00:27:13.876
Oregon, University of Colorado.

00:27:14.676 --> 00:27:17.446
And I lived in the ashram
for like four years.

00:27:17.921 --> 00:27:23.761
and took up the Sikh lifestyle,
which, you know, if you talk, there is

00:27:23.761 --> 00:27:27.581
many Sikhs on the planet, that's how
many lifestyles there are of Sikhs.

00:27:27.861 --> 00:27:29.361
There's no such thing.

00:27:29.651 --> 00:27:30.061
Yeah.

00:27:30.131 --> 00:27:33.061
So basically I have my own version of it.

00:27:33.081 --> 00:27:34.951
Let's say, you know, so

00:27:35.631 --> 00:27:37.741
Rupert Isaacson: what's interesting
is where, if you were having those

00:27:37.781 --> 00:27:40.451
prophetic dreams, it's very interesting
to hear you talk about that.

00:27:40.501 --> 00:27:43.521
And that kind of perhaps answers
my question of, you know, if you're

00:27:43.521 --> 00:27:46.251
looking towards the mystic, which is.

00:27:46.611 --> 00:27:51.391
Pan religious or even outside of
religion, but religions can certainly

00:27:51.401 --> 00:27:54.371
have their ways of expressing it So I
was thinking well, why choose that one?

00:27:54.601 --> 00:27:57.341
I think you've answered that very
well, but something something which

00:27:58.156 --> 00:28:01.826
I find interesting about Sikhism is
it's so specific, like the history

00:28:01.826 --> 00:28:04.016
of it, they, it's, it's 15th century.

00:28:04.566 --> 00:28:10.336
So right when, you know, the Medici's
are beginning to flower in Florence

00:28:10.366 --> 00:28:14.196
and, you know, the reconquest of
Spain is happening and the wars of the

00:28:14.196 --> 00:28:16.106
roses are going on in the, in England.

00:28:16.106 --> 00:28:19.356
And, you know, we think of that as
the kind of high medieval right at

00:28:19.366 --> 00:28:22.876
the beginning of the Renaissance
over there in the Punjab, you've got.

00:28:23.651 --> 00:28:29.691
These blokes who say, Hey let's not,
let's not be Muslim or Hindu, even

00:28:29.691 --> 00:28:32.371
though they're sort of coming out of
the Hindu thing, let's not do this

00:28:32.411 --> 00:28:36.051
caste thing, which seems to create
a lot of suffering and atrocity.

00:28:36.341 --> 00:28:37.781
And Buddhism did the same thing.

00:28:37.781 --> 00:28:41.061
I mean, Buddhism came out of Hinduism
as well, and more or less said

00:28:41.071 --> 00:28:42.981
the same thing much, much earlier.

00:28:43.341 --> 00:28:47.081
So this is all fucked up, you know,
let's get back to what we should

00:28:47.081 --> 00:28:48.971
actually have an equality and fraternity.

00:28:48.971 --> 00:28:53.251
And so I love that, but what I find
intriguing about the Sikhs, and I

00:28:53.251 --> 00:28:57.431
want to ask you about this, they're
very, very, very militaristic and

00:28:57.441 --> 00:29:04.101
that the Punjabi warrior culture is
you know, one of the most warlike

00:29:04.261 --> 00:29:06.291
in Asia, perhaps in the world.

00:29:06.741 --> 00:29:12.171
And you talked about the, you know,
the Khalsa meaning pure, sure, but

00:29:12.201 --> 00:29:16.461
we, there was also the Sikh Khalsa
army perhaps something a bit like

00:29:16.481 --> 00:29:18.481
the Unsullied in Game of Thrones.

00:29:18.851 --> 00:29:23.671
And this became such a powerful
militarized force that they went on.

00:29:23.876 --> 00:29:24.446
Conquest.

00:29:24.446 --> 00:29:27.336
So they were, they were
conquering from the Punjab up

00:29:27.776 --> 00:29:29.926
into Afghanistan and over it.

00:29:29.946 --> 00:29:33.076
You know, they, they were expanding
their empire, which means they

00:29:33.076 --> 00:29:36.716
were absolutely putting people
to the sword, you know, a lot.

00:29:37.056 --> 00:29:41.816
And then the Brits of course showed up at
the empire and went, Oh, they're useful.

00:29:41.966 --> 00:29:43.376
Let's, you know, let's employ them.

00:29:43.676 --> 00:29:47.006
And by the time you had the
height of the British Raj, you

00:29:47.006 --> 00:29:48.236
had all these British officers.

00:29:48.961 --> 00:29:54.671
You know, in the Sikh army, and then
somewhere around 1850, 1849 actually, the

00:29:54.671 --> 00:29:56.691
British army kind of went, You know what?

00:29:56.721 --> 00:29:58.061
These guys have gotten a bit too powerful.

00:29:58.071 --> 00:29:59.961
Let's just break that up a bit.

00:30:00.401 --> 00:30:04.241
And so then they went to war with the
Sikhs and, you know, obviously had

00:30:04.241 --> 00:30:05.581
more firepower and blah blah blah.

00:30:05.831 --> 00:30:11.421
But this, but the Sikh military
thing and, and wars of conquest

00:30:11.421 --> 00:30:17.111
that the Sikhs engaged in over
centuries seem to go rather against

00:30:17.531 --> 00:30:19.811
these love and peace and fraternity.

00:30:19.811 --> 00:30:22.341
The

00:30:22.341 --> 00:30:22.342
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:30:22.341 --> 00:30:27.281
thing is you've got to go a little deeper
into the Sikh history because the first,

00:30:27.341 --> 00:30:33.801
there were 10 Sikh groups and start with
the first nine of them were pacifists.

00:30:34.856 --> 00:30:37.856
peace loving yogi type people, right?

00:30:38.216 --> 00:30:41.706
And what happened is when Guru
Govind Singh came on the scene,

00:30:42.066 --> 00:30:43.546
he was the 10th Sikh Guru.

00:30:43.566 --> 00:30:46.666
He was known as the
warrior, this soldier saint.

00:30:46.906 --> 00:30:50.016
He was the one who started
the Sikh armies, okay?

00:30:50.426 --> 00:30:54.926
And the reason that happened was because
the Mughal emperors in India at that

00:30:55.006 --> 00:30:57.546
time were doing The Mughals being

00:30:57.556 --> 00:30:58.956
Rupert Isaacson: the Muslim overlords.

00:30:59.206 --> 00:30:59.207
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:30:59.206 --> 00:31:03.431
Yes, they were doing mass, you
know, mass Talk about genocide.

00:31:03.431 --> 00:31:06.861
They were killing hundreds of
thousands of Hindus at that time.

00:31:07.251 --> 00:31:10.311
And the Sikhs rose up
to defend the Hindus.

00:31:10.321 --> 00:31:15.451
That's the original army of the
Sikhs that they actually made a pact.

00:31:15.471 --> 00:31:19.901
With the Hindu clans at
that time to protect them.

00:31:20.541 --> 00:31:25.121
And then that's where the Sikhs
came in is the Kassat catastrophe.

00:31:25.121 --> 00:31:25.991
I'm not saying it right.

00:31:26.001 --> 00:31:30.131
The, the, the warrior class, you know,
they actually put themselves in the class

00:31:30.131 --> 00:31:31.261
Rupert Isaacson: of

00:31:31.261 --> 00:31:31.262
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:31:31.261 --> 00:31:34.611
the warrior cloud to protect the Hindus.

00:31:34.691 --> 00:31:35.101
Okay.

00:31:35.341 --> 00:31:39.421
And then it grew from there because now
you've got the expansion and then the.

00:31:39.751 --> 00:31:45.711
You know, the, you know, then the Sikhs
got more power because they did defeat,

00:31:45.791 --> 00:31:47.801
eventually did defeat the Mughals.

00:31:48.101 --> 00:31:48.391
Rupert Isaacson: Right.

00:31:48.421 --> 00:31:52.981
And a lot of, you know, prominent army
officers in the, in the Indian army

00:31:52.981 --> 00:31:56.601
today are Sikhs, you know, and they,
they seem to be the often the ones

00:31:56.601 --> 00:31:58.976
who, who rise to the highest sort of.

00:31:59.276 --> 00:32:03.386
Field marshal, admiral, you
know, career career soldiers.

00:32:03.936 --> 00:32:04.426
Okay.

00:32:04.546 --> 00:32:10.226
So, but I, you know, we, we can allow for
ambiguity within Catholicism, one can have

00:32:10.226 --> 00:32:15.736
Hildegard of Bingen and Francis of Assisi
alongside the Spanish Inquisition and

00:32:15.736 --> 00:32:15.737
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:32:15.736 --> 00:32:17.746
and the Crusades.

00:32:17.776 --> 00:32:20.706
I've spent a lot of time
in, in Assisi, actually.

00:32:21.451 --> 00:32:25.661
He studied there, did a lot of
healing, a lot of my training

00:32:25.661 --> 00:32:26.771
happened in Italy there.

00:32:27.391 --> 00:32:29.501
Rupert Isaacson: I guess, again,
the reason I bring it up is I think

00:32:29.511 --> 00:32:36.281
there can be a tendency in the West
to sort of eulogize the East for its

00:32:36.281 --> 00:32:40.601
spiritual traditions, you know, and
anyone who's ever spent, you know,

00:32:40.631 --> 00:32:44.391
a long time, a bit of time in India
kind of looks around and goes, Whoa,

00:32:44.401 --> 00:32:46.751
you guys are brutal to each other.

00:32:47.061 --> 00:32:51.861
But at the same time yes, there is
this intense spirituality as well.

00:32:52.111 --> 00:32:56.521
Both exist in parallel with each
other, but the, and this paradoxical

00:32:56.521 --> 00:33:00.141
ambiguity, ambiguous nature of this.

00:33:00.741 --> 00:33:06.861
spiritual sort of theater
there is definitely very real.

00:33:06.861 --> 00:33:10.811
But I do think that it can be quite
naive within the West to think, Oh, well,

00:33:10.811 --> 00:33:12.041
they're all very spiritual over there.

00:33:12.221 --> 00:33:13.551
And we're not very spiritual over here.

00:33:13.561 --> 00:33:17.671
And a little bit more complex, perhaps.

00:33:18.061 --> 00:33:18.371
Okay.

00:33:18.371 --> 00:33:23.181
But I was intrigued, you know, to see
that you had adopted the Sikh thing.

00:33:23.371 --> 00:33:25.191
Now tell me about where you were born.

00:33:25.641 --> 00:33:29.051
And so Jewish background, Jewish
from where, what type of Judaism?

00:33:30.156 --> 00:33:30.157
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:33:30.156 --> 00:33:32.826
Well, I mean, my parents were
from the East Coast, but my

00:33:32.826 --> 00:33:34.926
ancestors are from Eastern Europe.

00:33:34.926 --> 00:33:36.966
So they're Ashkenazi Jews.

00:33:37.036 --> 00:33:37.346
Right.

00:33:37.346 --> 00:33:38.706
Same, same as my ancestors.

00:33:38.706 --> 00:33:38.936
Yeah.

00:33:39.196 --> 00:33:39.466
Yeah.

00:33:39.476 --> 00:33:40.436
Belarus.

00:33:40.496 --> 00:33:41.596
I think Lithuania.

00:33:41.596 --> 00:33:41.906
Then we're

00:33:41.916 --> 00:33:42.776
Rupert Isaacson: probably cousins.

00:33:42.836 --> 00:33:43.046
Yeah.

00:33:43.136 --> 00:33:43.137
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:33:43.136 --> 00:33:43.476
Yeah.

00:33:44.046 --> 00:33:44.596
There we go.

00:33:45.226 --> 00:33:48.746
You know, so I mean, you know,
my, my dad and mom, they, they

00:33:48.756 --> 00:33:50.376
came from the East Coast when I.

00:33:51.071 --> 00:33:57.541
In 1960 when, and they were like the
renegades because most of my family

00:33:57.651 --> 00:34:00.741
was planted on the East Coast and
they were like, we're escaping this

00:34:00.741 --> 00:34:02.401
place and they went to the West Coast.

00:34:02.861 --> 00:34:04.711
So I was born here in Los Angeles.

00:34:04.751 --> 00:34:08.821
And my parents, I guess, in a
way were revolutionaries of their

00:34:08.821 --> 00:34:13.831
own because they were brought up
in, I would say, Orthodox Jewish.

00:34:14.251 --> 00:34:18.411
Life, you know, I think one of my
grandfathers was a cantor and the other

00:34:18.411 --> 00:34:24.031
was a kosher butcher And my dad moved
here and he actually was responsible

00:34:24.061 --> 00:34:30.581
for starting The reform temple, which
is the most liberal version of judaism.

00:34:30.931 --> 00:34:34.226
Rupert Isaacson: Okay, but why
what got them interested in that?

00:34:35.586 --> 00:34:35.587
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:34:35.586 --> 00:34:38.686
Well, I just think, you know,
my dad was a hardcore Jew.

00:34:38.696 --> 00:34:40.646
I mean, you know, in the wide

00:34:40.646 --> 00:34:42.396
Rupert Isaacson: reformed
temple, why not just go?

00:34:42.806 --> 00:34:43.686
Well, because I

00:34:43.686 --> 00:34:43.687
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:34:43.686 --> 00:34:45.426
think that's the thing.

00:34:45.426 --> 00:34:50.616
Like, I think my dad and my mom were
a little bit more liberal than the

00:34:50.636 --> 00:34:55.521
normal people, the normal Jews, let's
say the conservative Orthodox Jews.

00:34:55.521 --> 00:34:55.876
Right.

00:34:56.126 --> 00:35:01.626
So they, I think there must have been
a movement at that time for Reformed

00:35:01.636 --> 00:35:07.566
Judaism, and you know, that's kind
of, I didn't even know that until

00:35:07.566 --> 00:35:12.406
after, at my dad's funeral, where
they, they told the story about he

00:35:12.416 --> 00:35:16.646
and a group of his friends started the
temple that I was bar mitzvahed in.

00:35:17.926 --> 00:35:20.306
I had no idea because
they never told me this.

00:35:20.706 --> 00:35:21.066
So did

00:35:21.066 --> 00:35:22.606
Rupert Isaacson: you go
to synagogue growing up?

00:35:22.656 --> 00:35:25.726
And well, a lot of people have been
bar mitzvahed and maybe only set

00:35:26.226 --> 00:35:27.366
foot in a synagogue once or twice.

00:35:27.756 --> 00:35:31.036
Like a lot of Christians go
to Easter, but I mean, I,

00:35:31.036 --> 00:35:31.037
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:35:31.036 --> 00:35:33.476
I, I got, you know, I went
to what do you call it?

00:35:33.496 --> 00:35:34.166
Hebrew school.

00:35:34.226 --> 00:35:40.246
So I learned Hebrew and you know, and I
was a good experience I'd say overall.

00:35:40.246 --> 00:35:45.316
I mean, I think it was, I think the
whole tradition of Bar Mitzvah and like

00:35:45.326 --> 00:35:49.436
bringing the young through that, it's
kind of like a portal or a, you know.

00:35:49.746 --> 00:35:51.416
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, a rite of passage.

00:35:51.546 --> 00:35:51.547
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:35:51.546 --> 00:35:52.416
Rite of passage.

00:35:52.676 --> 00:35:54.186
I think that's very useful.

00:35:54.186 --> 00:35:56.156
I think it was really a good thing.

00:35:56.496 --> 00:36:00.436
But the thing was, is after that,
I didn't feel like I was getting

00:36:00.436 --> 00:36:03.036
what I needed from Judaism.

00:36:03.186 --> 00:36:08.656
Like, I felt like it was more of a
social gathering versus a true spiritual.

00:36:08.666 --> 00:36:11.456
Rupert Isaacson: Well, that was
going to be my question is, if you

00:36:11.456 --> 00:36:17.146
were at a reformed Jewish synagogue,
how do you think that, how did,

00:36:17.206 --> 00:36:21.696
how did those ceremonies that,
how did that ritual differ from

00:36:22.726 --> 00:36:24.166
quote unquote, normal Orthodox?

00:36:24.861 --> 00:36:24.862
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:36:24.861 --> 00:36:28.831
Well, I never had been exposed to
Orthodox, so I, I don't really know.

00:36:28.831 --> 00:36:31.991
I mean, I see, I actually,
the neighborhood I live in

00:36:31.991 --> 00:36:33.811
right now is in West LA.

00:36:34.211 --> 00:36:37.441
And this is like the
home of Orthodox Jews.

00:36:37.441 --> 00:36:40.981
Like there's probably more Orthodox
Jews in this neighborhood than there

00:36:40.991 --> 00:36:43.811
are in Israel, or at least the same.

00:36:43.901 --> 00:36:45.511
I mean, it's all Orthodox Jews.

00:36:45.521 --> 00:36:47.051
So I'm around the culture.

00:36:47.051 --> 00:36:52.361
I've been around it now for over 40
years, but I don't, I don't participate.

00:36:52.776 --> 00:36:55.986
Although I know rabbis, you
know, the rabbis are always

00:36:55.986 --> 00:36:57.266
trying to get me to come back.

00:36:57.316 --> 00:36:58.906
They're like, come back to our fold.

00:36:58.906 --> 00:36:59.486
I'm like, no, I'm

00:36:59.486 --> 00:36:59.566
Rupert Isaacson: kidding.

00:36:59.576 --> 00:37:00.436
Well, you've got the beard.

00:37:00.436 --> 00:37:01.616
I mean, you know, you're half foot there.

00:37:01.686 --> 00:37:01.916
Yeah.

00:37:04.636 --> 00:37:04.637
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:37:04.636 --> 00:37:08.516
I was in a building where I actually,
there was an, I was like over two, 20

00:37:08.876 --> 00:37:14.296
years ago, I was in an office where
the, the lower part of the building was

00:37:14.296 --> 00:37:17.396
an Orthodox, Persian Orthodox temple.

00:37:17.616 --> 00:37:17.966
Okay.

00:37:18.346 --> 00:37:19.846
That's a very niche.

00:37:20.846 --> 00:37:24.206
They, and, and it was really
interesting 'cause they, they

00:37:24.206 --> 00:37:27.296
still to this day sacrifice goats.

00:37:28.086 --> 00:37:29.586
They do ritual sacrifice.

00:37:29.586 --> 00:37:30.756
Rupert Isaacson: The Persian Orthodox.

00:37:30.906 --> 00:37:31.866
The Persian Orthodox.

00:37:31.866 --> 00:37:32.556
How Very interesting.

00:37:32.556 --> 00:37:33.006
Where was that?

00:37:33.006 --> 00:37:33.516
In la?

00:37:33.816 --> 00:37:33.817
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:37:33.816 --> 00:37:37.416
Yeah, in LA And I was shocked 'cause
I, I was, I was going down in the

00:37:37.416 --> 00:37:40.536
parking lot one day and I'm like,
why is there a goat down here?

00:37:40.866 --> 00:37:42.606
And they're like, oh,
we're doing a ritual.

00:37:42.606 --> 00:37:43.356
I'm like, what?

00:37:44.661 --> 00:37:45.351
Rupert Isaacson: Interesting.

00:37:45.771 --> 00:37:47.211
That's very, I need to look that up.

00:37:47.341 --> 00:37:49.241
Persian meaning Babylonian, meaning

00:37:49.241 --> 00:37:49.242
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:37:49.241 --> 00:37:51.941
Yeah, but

00:37:51.941 --> 00:37:57.831
Rupert Isaacson: meaning Persian
from when the Jews were displaced

00:37:58.271 --> 00:38:01.711
to Persia, well to Assyria.

00:38:03.966 --> 00:38:04.736
Yeah, I would assume.

00:38:04.736 --> 00:38:06.496
I don't know the history on that.

00:38:06.496 --> 00:38:09.226
But it's, you know, they're still

00:38:09.226 --> 00:38:09.227
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:38:09.226 --> 00:38:11.926
doing animal sacrifice,
which I'm fine with.

00:38:12.136 --> 00:38:16.686
I mean, cause I, I sense have
changed my eating habits where

00:38:16.686 --> 00:38:18.736
I do eat flesh and eat meat.

00:38:18.756 --> 00:38:21.816
Now I was a vegetarian for 25 years, but

00:38:22.016 --> 00:38:23.626
Rupert Isaacson: Why did you
change that out of interest?

00:38:24.556 --> 00:38:24.557
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:38:24.556 --> 00:38:26.606
Well, there's a it's a long history.

00:38:26.606 --> 00:38:33.766
My my first wife had cancer and The
doctors we were going to at that time

00:38:34.276 --> 00:38:36.346
They all told her she needed to eat meat.

00:38:36.376 --> 00:38:43.396
She'd been a vegetarian for 25 years and
so I was of course being her husband.

00:38:43.396 --> 00:38:46.006
I was like, okay, i'm not
gonna just let you eat meat.

00:38:46.006 --> 00:38:50.051
I'm gonna eat meat, too and so
that kind of Brought me into

00:38:50.051 --> 00:38:51.911
the realm of eating meat again,

00:38:51.951 --> 00:38:53.941
Rupert Isaacson: but why
why keep going with it?

00:38:54.641 --> 00:38:54.642
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:38:54.641 --> 00:39:00.831
Well, you know, I I think over the years
You know being kind of science oriented.

00:39:01.471 --> 00:39:06.191
I listen to a lot of different
doctors who you know you know

00:39:06.191 --> 00:39:07.651
the subject of nutrition and

00:39:09.751 --> 00:39:13.671
you know, it seems to me that
there's a lot of evidence that

00:39:14.191 --> 00:39:18.461
meat is very beneficial and If
it's the right type of meat.

00:39:18.691 --> 00:39:19.171
Rupert Isaacson: Right.

00:39:19.831 --> 00:39:22.281
Well, we are hunter gatherers after all.

00:39:22.811 --> 00:39:26.581
I just, before we move into the
various forms of alternative medicine

00:39:26.581 --> 00:39:31.161
that that you are practicing I just
want to talk, go down this reform

00:39:31.161 --> 00:39:34.401
Judaism and Persian Judaism rabbit
hole, because I'm fascinated.

00:39:34.921 --> 00:39:35.691
So here I go.

00:39:36.571 --> 00:39:37.441
Back on Wikipedia.

00:39:37.831 --> 00:39:43.771
The origins of Reformed Judaism lie
in the mid 19th century Germany where

00:39:43.801 --> 00:39:48.211
Rabbi Abraham Geiger and his associates
formulated its early principles

00:39:48.211 --> 00:39:52.551
attempting to harmonize Jewish tradition
with modern sensibilities in the age

00:39:52.551 --> 00:39:57.006
of emancipation, brought to America By
German trained rabbis, the denomination

00:39:57.156 --> 00:40:01.146
gained prominence in the United
States, flourishing in the 1860s to

00:40:01.146 --> 00:40:06.506
the 1930s, from the 1860s to the 1930s,
in an era known as classical reform.

00:40:06.846 --> 00:40:11.846
Since the 1970s, the movement has adopted
a policy of inclusiveness and acceptance,

00:40:11.866 --> 00:40:16.476
inviting as many people as possible to
partake in its communities, rather than

00:40:16.476 --> 00:40:19.241
adhering to strict theoretical clarity.

00:40:19.541 --> 00:40:22.371
It's strongly identified with
progressive and liberal agendas in

00:40:22.371 --> 00:40:26.051
political and social terms, and this
is where it gets interesting, mainly

00:40:26.101 --> 00:40:28.381
under the traditional Jewish rubric.

00:40:29.061 --> 00:40:32.791
Tikkun olam, the repairing of the world.

00:40:32.791 --> 00:40:38.631
Tikkun olam is a central motto of Reform
Judaism, and acting in its name is one of

00:40:38.631 --> 00:40:43.091
the main channels for adherents to express
their affiliation, the movement's most

00:40:43.091 --> 00:40:44.701
significant centrist in North America.

00:40:44.941 --> 00:40:54.236
So, I've been aware of Tikkun olam for
a long time, this idea of, to Repair

00:40:54.236 --> 00:40:58.496
the world through living peacefully
through acts of kindness through and this

00:40:58.496 --> 00:41:10.746
being central to particularly Ashkenazi
Judaism and very much also Kabbalic which

00:41:10.766 --> 00:41:17.391
incidentally kind of comes around Not
a dissimilar time to Sikhism and then

00:41:17.441 --> 00:41:22.341
let's, so it's interesting that you came
out of that tradition, the repairing

00:41:22.341 --> 00:41:28.686
of the world, however, however aware
of it, you were, you must have been

00:41:28.686 --> 00:41:30.946
hearing that term going on around you.

00:41:30.946 --> 00:41:31.596
Yes, that's

00:41:31.596 --> 00:41:31.597
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:41:31.596 --> 00:41:32.846
actually the first time I've heard it.

00:41:33.206 --> 00:41:34.246
Rupert Isaacson: I really, okay.

00:41:34.296 --> 00:41:34.456
But

00:41:34.456 --> 00:41:34.457
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:41:34.456 --> 00:41:39.806
I think I mean that, but the thing is,
it's not, the word is interesting, but

00:41:39.806 --> 00:41:42.406
I think the ethos was always there.

00:41:42.426 --> 00:41:42.746
Yeah.

00:41:43.101 --> 00:41:47.601
Anyway, because that's, you know, it's
like mitzvah, you know, it's like a very

00:41:47.761 --> 00:41:54.941
root thing, understanding of Judaism, that
you're, you know, doing good in the world.

00:41:54.951 --> 00:42:02.581
I mean, helping people, you know,
doing good, good karma, you know,

00:42:02.581 --> 00:42:06.211
it's real basic stuff, I would say,
it's like the most basic stuff.

00:42:07.271 --> 00:42:09.531
Rupert Isaacson: So it's
interesting, so the Persian, yeah,

00:42:09.851 --> 00:42:11.321
the Persian Jewish tradition.

00:42:12.966 --> 00:42:13.656
I've got it here.

00:42:13.656 --> 00:42:16.446
So that the destruction of the
second Jewish temple, but in

00:42:16.446 --> 00:42:22.056
Jerusalem by Rome in that's the
beginning of the diaspora, 70 AD.

00:42:22.576 --> 00:42:26.026
That's when all ritual sacrifice.

00:42:26.661 --> 00:42:33.501
Within Judaism pretty much ended
and but yes indeed there had been by

00:42:33.501 --> 00:42:36.611
the rivers of Babylon there, we sat
down and and wept how should we sing

00:42:36.611 --> 00:42:38.071
the Lord's song in a strange land?

00:42:38.081 --> 00:42:41.021
You know, we know, we know all
this and it carries over into

00:42:41.021 --> 00:42:42.941
Rastafarianism with reggae and stuff.

00:42:42.941 --> 00:42:44.641
But what that refers to is.

00:42:45.121 --> 00:42:49.801
Way earlier than that, in about, I think
the 7th century I need to check it B.

00:42:49.801 --> 00:42:50.191
C.

00:42:50.591 --> 00:42:57.071
The Assyria took over Judea and brought,
sacked the temple, brought a whole

00:42:57.071 --> 00:43:01.071
bunch of Jews into exile into Babylon
and all their national treasures.

00:43:01.101 --> 00:43:06.111
And then it was under, I think, was it
under, I can't remember whether it was

00:43:06.171 --> 00:43:09.873
Nebuchadnezzar I think was it Asur?

00:43:09.873 --> 00:43:10.950
Nebuchadnezzar?

00:43:10.950 --> 00:43:12.026
Nebuchadnezzar?

00:43:12.026 --> 00:43:14.586
Nebuchadnezzar maybe was
the one, I should check it.

00:43:14.806 --> 00:43:17.056
Who let them go, and let them go back.

00:43:17.346 --> 00:43:18.011
But a lot of them stayed.

00:43:18.011 --> 00:43:19.906
A lot of them stayed, actually
no one quite liked it over here.

00:43:20.086 --> 00:43:21.426
Because they've been treated quite well.

00:43:21.586 --> 00:43:24.636
And it does indeed seem that that
Persian form of Judaism, which

00:43:24.636 --> 00:43:28.946
includes animal sacrifice, does have
its roots with the ones who stayed.

00:43:29.146 --> 00:43:29.586
Yeah.

00:43:29.586 --> 00:43:32.026
It's fascinating that all

00:43:32.026 --> 00:43:32.027
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:43:32.026 --> 00:43:36.111
the different cultures in the world
have adopted, you know, I think.

00:43:36.461 --> 00:43:37.201
Ethiopia.

00:43:37.241 --> 00:43:37.991
There's Ethiopia.

00:43:38.151 --> 00:43:39.061
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, no, there is.

00:43:39.331 --> 00:43:42.221
And it's, you know, I think a lot of
these religions like with Christianity,

00:43:42.221 --> 00:43:47.681
you could really argue that there have
always been Christianities and there've

00:43:47.681 --> 00:43:51.811
been Judaisms, you know, you know,
so you get the very, very peaceful

00:43:51.971 --> 00:43:53.861
thing of the reparation of the world.

00:43:54.151 --> 00:43:56.771
But if you look at, you know,
first set temple Judaism, it's.

00:43:57.091 --> 00:44:01.051
We kill everybody, you know, so
that they're not as nice that

00:44:01.051 --> 00:44:04.471
they're just a kind of Kareem.

00:44:04.581 --> 00:44:04.582
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:44:04.581 --> 00:44:08.861
Well, you know, there's, there's some,
you know, I follow this one guy, his name

00:44:08.861 --> 00:44:15.951
is Cliff High and he, he goes back 6, 000
years and talks about, and I think it's

00:44:16.231 --> 00:44:18.551
mentioned in the Bible is the the Elohim.

00:44:18.961 --> 00:44:19.291
Yeah.

00:44:19.806 --> 00:44:21.986
You know, and that's the plural Elohim.

00:44:22.176 --> 00:44:23.916
It's not the one, it's the plural.

00:44:24.066 --> 00:44:24.416
Rupert Isaacson: Sure.

00:44:24.816 --> 00:44:24.817
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:44:24.816 --> 00:44:26.486
And, and he, you know,

00:44:26.906 --> 00:44:28.156
Rupert Isaacson: God's, yeah.

00:44:28.166 --> 00:44:28.396
Huh?

00:44:28.616 --> 00:44:28.926
God.

00:44:29.706 --> 00:44:29.707
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:44:29.706 --> 00:44:32.656
Yeah, so, you know, and, and he
claims and I don't know if it's him

00:44:32.656 --> 00:44:39.156
or where he's getting that, but that
these gods were the ones who created

00:44:39.306 --> 00:44:42.946
that ethos of terror among the Jews.

00:44:43.366 --> 00:44:46.026
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00:44:46.026 --> 00:44:53.206
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00:46:32.696 --> 00:46:35.226
Oh, yeah, no, I can tell you
kind of the theory of that.

00:46:35.236 --> 00:46:38.056
So, Judaism was actually
a polytheistic religion.

00:46:38.396 --> 00:46:40.766
It starts with gods, not God.

00:46:40.776 --> 00:46:43.866
It's a Canaanite, you know, so
it's from that whole area from

00:46:43.866 --> 00:46:45.666
southern Anatolia down to Egypt.

00:46:46.046 --> 00:46:50.616
They have a bunch of gods, and
they are essentially the same gods,

00:46:50.786 --> 00:46:55.146
similar gods to the Mesopotamian gods,
because it's the Fertile Crescent

00:46:55.606 --> 00:46:57.116
from, you know, 6, 000 years ago.

00:46:57.176 --> 00:46:59.666
That's where all agriculture
and the cities begin, and that

00:46:59.956 --> 00:47:02.051
crescent is from the Gulf of Mecca.

00:47:02.331 --> 00:47:07.501
the Arabian Gulf here, Kuwait, up the
Tigris and Euphrates in an arc, whoops,

00:47:08.571 --> 00:47:12.571
a little bit of southern Turkey, and
then down through Syria, Lebanon,

00:47:13.231 --> 00:47:17.591
Israel, and along the coast towards,
towards Egypt and the Nile Valley.

00:47:17.591 --> 00:47:21.881
But it's, it's, it looks like a big
crescent, so hence the fertile crescent.

00:47:22.371 --> 00:47:24.781
And that's where, you know,
we see agriculture and.

00:47:25.616 --> 00:47:30.306
The cities as we know them beginning
with Sumeria and so on about 6, 000 as

00:47:30.306 --> 00:47:33.656
you say years ago Although there are
many alternative timelines of history

00:47:33.656 --> 00:47:38.706
being rewritten which gets very exciting
now And but definitely at that time

00:47:39.516 --> 00:47:46.606
Judaism was polytheistic and then it
gradually gets whittled down to the

00:47:46.646 --> 00:47:53.681
two main Mesopotamian gods, which
is Enki And, um, gosh, his brother

00:47:53.711 --> 00:47:56.671
an, he's the nice one who likes us.

00:47:57.211 --> 00:47:58.441
And then there's oh gosh.

00:47:59.461 --> 00:47:59.941
Neil,

00:47:59.941 --> 00:47:59.942
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:47:59.941 --> 00:48:00.901
is it Bill and Anky?

00:48:00.901 --> 00:48:00.991
Right?

00:48:01.171 --> 00:48:01.591
How am I,

00:48:01.591 --> 00:48:04.321
Rupert Isaacson: how am I
forgetting the, an he's because

00:48:04.321 --> 00:48:05.671
it, he, because it's the bad one.

00:48:05.671 --> 00:48:06.931
Who becomes the nasty one?

00:48:06.931 --> 00:48:08.041
Who doesn't like us?

00:48:08.101 --> 00:48:10.171
Who ends up being the
one who gets worshiped?

00:48:10.281 --> 00:48:15.966
And becomes Yahweh, but before he's
Yahweh, he's so we've got Enki and Enlil.

00:48:15.966 --> 00:48:21.821
And Enlil, Enlil becomes Yahweh
and has a wife, by the way.

00:48:21.861 --> 00:48:25.171
And, you know, in the early
temples, all the Yahweh.

00:48:25.356 --> 00:48:26.576
Idols have a wife.

00:48:26.916 --> 00:48:29.676
She gradually sort of
disappears from the scene.

00:48:29.956 --> 00:48:32.766
As things get a bit more patriarchal.

00:48:33.066 --> 00:48:37.556
But yeah, it seems that this idea of
the angry God, the jealous God was

00:48:37.556 --> 00:48:42.646
this endless back and forth, which
the Mesopotamians hadn't between.

00:48:43.776 --> 00:48:50.236
The god who creates us and loves us which
is Enlil, and his brother who finds us

00:48:50.236 --> 00:48:52.866
a massive pain in the arse and wants to
wipe us out all the time when we cease

00:48:52.866 --> 00:48:57.556
to become useful for mining activities
and other slave activities, and has a

00:48:57.566 --> 00:49:01.156
go from time to time, and then Enlil
keeps coming along and saving us, and

00:49:01.156 --> 00:49:07.931
then somehow, the Israelites end up with
Yahweh not his nicer brother, and then

00:49:07.931 --> 00:49:09.251
they're always trying to appease him.

00:49:09.751 --> 00:49:13.351
And so that's where we get this idea
of appeasement and heaven and hell

00:49:13.351 --> 00:49:17.941
and punishment and, you know, angry
gods and pestilence and all of this.

00:49:17.941 --> 00:49:19.981
But it, it, this all comes
in kind of gradually.

00:49:20.101 --> 00:49:23.961
And then of course, the, then
that all gets very softened by the

00:49:23.961 --> 00:49:28.221
time you get to the second temple,
you know, around the Iron Age.

00:49:28.221 --> 00:49:30.741
And then, so by the
time the Romans show up.

00:49:31.426 --> 00:49:35.696
And take over Judea because it's
the border between the Roman

00:49:35.696 --> 00:49:36.806
Empire and the Persian Empire.

00:49:36.856 --> 00:49:39.566
So it's an area you've got to have
control of, otherwise you lose

00:49:39.566 --> 00:49:41.056
control of the Eastern Mediterranean.

00:49:41.566 --> 00:49:43.636
And so they, you know, say,
okay, this is Roman now.

00:49:43.826 --> 00:49:49.906
By then, it's to some degree Judaism as we
know it, but it's I've gone through many,

00:49:49.906 --> 00:49:54.586
many evolutions and so, and, but it's
interesting that your father was very much

00:49:54.596 --> 00:49:58.176
part of the sort of progression of that

00:49:58.756 --> 00:49:58.757
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:49:58.756 --> 00:49:59.396
and sort

00:49:59.396 --> 00:50:04.336
Rupert Isaacson: of through Kabbalah
to this reform movement with this

00:50:04.336 --> 00:50:07.906
idea of healing and repairing the
world, because I would say that that

00:50:07.906 --> 00:50:09.356
is kind of what you're trying to do.

00:50:09.961 --> 00:50:10.781
Would you agree?

00:50:11.041 --> 00:50:11.042
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:50:11.041 --> 00:50:11.281
Yeah.

00:50:11.451 --> 00:50:14.091
Well, yeah, it's interesting because
I had, I didn't realize this, but I

00:50:14.091 --> 00:50:20.971
had a one of my uncles who was, you
know, I think cousin of my father,

00:50:20.981 --> 00:50:24.681
he was the governor of Rhode Island.

00:50:25.401 --> 00:50:25.801
Okay.

00:50:26.081 --> 00:50:32.341
He was an amazing progressive governor
who put through a lot of, you know,

00:50:32.411 --> 00:50:37.201
societal changes in that state that,
we're talking in the 1960s, you know.

00:50:37.221 --> 00:50:37.461
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.

00:50:38.311 --> 00:50:39.071
Interesting.

00:50:39.291 --> 00:50:39.292
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:50:39.291 --> 00:50:39.611
Yeah.

00:50:40.761 --> 00:50:41.471
Rupert Isaacson: All right.

00:50:41.936 --> 00:50:43.766
Let's get to the actual healing.

00:50:44.006 --> 00:50:50.126
So, you've got a bunch of things that you
do, and I kind of want to give them all a

00:50:50.126 --> 00:50:53.816
little bit of time and attention, because
I'm not sure people will be aware of them.

00:50:53.816 --> 00:50:58.436
So chiropractic touched on it a bit, so
let's get through that one rather quickly.

00:50:58.646 --> 00:51:02.526
Let's say somebody had some sort
of chronic autoimmune thing going

00:51:02.526 --> 00:51:06.186
on, rather than just a sore back
because they fell off a horse.

00:51:06.556 --> 00:51:10.231
What Does chiropractic do

00:51:13.101 --> 00:51:13.102
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:51:13.101 --> 00:51:19.101
well, the very high level theory on
that and it's very simple, you know,

00:51:19.111 --> 00:51:23.621
five year old kid would get this is
that imagine that it's too much for

00:51:23.631 --> 00:51:24.011
Rupert Isaacson: me.

00:51:25.331 --> 00:51:25.332
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:51:25.331 --> 00:51:28.711
Imagine you've got a hose and the
water's coming through the hose.

00:51:29.071 --> 00:51:30.121
And you kink the hose.

00:51:30.331 --> 00:51:31.981
Now the water is not
coming through the hose.

00:51:32.481 --> 00:51:33.441
What's the solution?

00:51:33.511 --> 00:51:34.701
You unkink the hose.

00:51:35.341 --> 00:51:38.151
So that's really the whole
theory of chiropractic.

00:51:38.151 --> 00:51:43.431
If your nerves are getting pinched
because the vertebrae are misaligned

00:51:43.431 --> 00:51:50.821
or subluxated it's gonna inhibit the
life force nerve flow into your organs

00:51:50.821 --> 00:51:52.041
and your cells and your tissues.

00:51:52.051 --> 00:51:56.611
So, you remove that interference
through the adjustments.

00:51:57.141 --> 00:52:01.371
And now you've got more life force,
the body there's a really elegant

00:52:01.381 --> 00:52:02.851
saying the chiropractors have.

00:52:02.851 --> 00:52:06.541
This is one of the first things I learned
in chiropractic school is the power

00:52:06.541 --> 00:52:08.391
that made the body can heal the body.

00:52:08.901 --> 00:52:14.001
So you remove the interference by
releasing the nerve flow and there you go.

00:52:14.641 --> 00:52:17.801
Rupert Isaacson: Now when you say
life force and you know, you could,

00:52:17.811 --> 00:52:21.701
you could, you're, you were a yoga
student for as long as I still are,

00:52:21.701 --> 00:52:25.071
I think, cause you offer yoga And
that would be for you Kundalini

00:52:25.441 --> 00:52:31.171
but in Western allopathic medicinal
terms, how can we define life force

00:52:31.171 --> 00:52:31.172
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:52:31.171 --> 00:52:32.661
electric,

00:52:33.441 --> 00:52:35.051
Rupert Isaacson: electric
energy within the body?

00:52:35.171 --> 00:52:37.491
Well, if you look

00:52:37.491 --> 00:52:37.492
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:52:37.491 --> 00:52:41.571
at, look at, you know, cardiology,
what's the number one test they do?

00:52:41.571 --> 00:52:45.261
It's an EKG, you're measuring the
electrical conduction of your heart.

00:52:45.721 --> 00:52:48.531
If you've got a brain problem,
they're measuring the electrical

00:52:48.531 --> 00:52:53.461
conduction of your brain, you know,
so these are just really obvious.

00:52:53.956 --> 00:52:58.196
You know, signs that the body is
electrical and there's electricity

00:52:58.206 --> 00:52:59.496
flowing through your body.

00:52:59.736 --> 00:52:59.906
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.

00:52:59.906 --> 00:53:01.616
Which is a frequency and a vibration.

00:53:01.706 --> 00:53:02.016
Absolutely.

00:53:02.846 --> 00:53:02.847
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:53:02.846 --> 00:53:06.956
So that electricity is the
most obvious version of it.

00:53:06.956 --> 00:53:11.086
But in Chinese medicine, we talk
about chi or life force, where

00:53:11.711 --> 00:53:13.711
It's subtle, even more subtle.

00:53:13.711 --> 00:53:18.661
It's more like the electromagnetic
field versus the electrical is like

00:53:18.661 --> 00:53:22.721
the flow of the ions, which you
can physically measure, but then

00:53:22.721 --> 00:53:25.441
you've got this whole energy field.

00:53:25.441 --> 00:53:29.831
So whenever you have electricity,
you also have the electromagnetic

00:53:29.831 --> 00:53:32.341
field associated with it.

00:53:32.341 --> 00:53:35.121
Rupert Isaacson: Define ions
and what they mean biologically.

00:53:35.901 --> 00:53:35.902
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:53:35.901 --> 00:53:37.731
Well, an ion would be like.

00:53:38.206 --> 00:53:43.126
You know, it's exactly what you look
at in a wire, you know, a copper

00:53:43.126 --> 00:53:48.471
wire, negative ion flowing through
that's Channeling electricity, right,

00:53:48.861 --> 00:53:54.601
you know, in the most like physical
term, we call it an electron, right?

00:53:55.031 --> 00:53:56.701
Rupert Isaacson: That's what I was
going to say, is an ion the same,

00:53:56.741 --> 00:53:57.954
is an ion the same as an electron?

00:53:57.954 --> 00:53:58.451
It's like a

00:53:58.481 --> 00:53:58.482
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:53:58.481 --> 00:54:00.811
free electron, it's floating, right?

00:54:01.311 --> 00:54:03.571
Rupert Isaacson: Why not call it
an electron then, why is it an ion?

00:54:04.151 --> 00:54:04.152
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:54:04.151 --> 00:54:08.996
Well, ion is You know, they're
interchangeable terms, you know,

00:54:09.166 --> 00:54:14.136
it's, it's like, you know, you've got
one form of an apple, another form.

00:54:14.136 --> 00:54:18.356
It's just, it's a term that we use
to describe that form of energy.

00:54:18.356 --> 00:54:23.196
Rupert Isaacson: But to put
simply chiropractic allows

00:54:23.206 --> 00:54:24.436
the flow of electrical energy.

00:54:25.266 --> 00:54:25.267
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:54:25.266 --> 00:54:25.686
Yeah.

00:54:25.756 --> 00:54:25.876
To

00:54:25.876 --> 00:54:26.476
Rupert Isaacson: go more freely.

00:54:26.486 --> 00:54:27.286
Like, like, you know,

00:54:27.516 --> 00:54:27.517
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:54:27.516 --> 00:54:33.816
I would say electrical slash life
force chi, but it allows the, you

00:54:33.816 --> 00:54:38.366
know, the basic concept is the power
that made the body can heal the body.

00:54:38.366 --> 00:54:42.506
Just like if you have a cut,
the cut heals on its own.

00:54:42.516 --> 00:54:45.676
We, we don't have to go
to a doctor to heal a cut.

00:54:45.716 --> 00:54:46.956
It heals on its own.

00:54:47.026 --> 00:54:49.306
You might need to put a
bandaid on it, but it heals.

00:54:50.091 --> 00:54:52.331
Rupert Isaacson: By the way, I'm,
again, I had to check, because

00:54:52.331 --> 00:54:55.091
I always have to check electrons
and ions, so here's what I got.

00:54:56.031 --> 00:55:03.721
An ion is an electrically charged
particle produced by either removing

00:55:03.731 --> 00:55:11.176
electrons from a neutral atom to give
a positive ion, or Adding electrons to

00:55:11.176 --> 00:55:14.066
a neutral atom to give a negative ion.

00:55:14.206 --> 00:55:18.836
So it seems that the addition
of electrons makes ions.

00:55:18.846 --> 00:55:21.456
So maybe it's many, depending
on how they're charged.

00:55:21.486 --> 00:55:24.666
Okay, so, it's always good to check in
with these things because, you know,

00:55:24.686 --> 00:55:28.086
people I think have these questions
and are often a bit scared to ask.

00:55:28.586 --> 00:55:28.587
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:55:28.586 --> 00:55:32.546
One of the things I would say on
that, you know, this is a very

00:55:32.966 --> 00:55:39.771
deep topic when we talk about ions
because You know, in Western terms,

00:55:39.771 --> 00:55:41.921
we think of them as particles, right?

00:55:42.161 --> 00:55:46.001
It's like a piece of an atom
that displaces or attaches,

00:55:46.011 --> 00:55:46.931
like a puzzle, right?

00:55:46.931 --> 00:55:48.321
It comes off or it goes in.

00:55:48.861 --> 00:55:52.141
And that's true on one level, right?

00:55:52.441 --> 00:55:59.921
But on a deeper level, that ion is a
hologram that exists in another realm.

00:56:00.401 --> 00:56:01.911
And we hallucinate it.

00:56:02.406 --> 00:56:03.146
In our minds,

00:56:03.516 --> 00:56:03.816
Rupert Isaacson: all right.

00:56:03.816 --> 00:56:06.076
Well, you're talking about
quantum, you know, where I'm

00:56:06.256 --> 00:56:06.257
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:56:06.256 --> 00:56:08.976
talking about the quantum
level of that of that.

00:56:08.976 --> 00:56:09.386
I am

00:56:09.576 --> 00:56:09.966
Rupert Isaacson: right.

00:56:10.166 --> 00:56:17.986
So I think I think that is largely
accepted these days that light and

00:56:18.166 --> 00:56:22.256
electricity and all of these things are
in superposition, meaning that they could

00:56:22.266 --> 00:56:28.146
be in many places at once in potential
until they're measured or observed.

00:56:28.336 --> 00:56:30.616
And then they become a
particle for that moment.

00:56:31.221 --> 00:56:31.222
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:56:31.221 --> 00:56:31.531
Right,

00:56:31.531 --> 00:56:34.016
Rupert Isaacson: but then they
go back to being in superposition

00:56:34.016 --> 00:56:35.641
again Yeah, yeah, that's

00:56:35.891 --> 00:56:35.892
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:56:35.891 --> 00:56:36.931
very important to understand

00:56:38.361 --> 00:56:40.601
Rupert Isaacson: Which is I I
rather love that because it's it's

00:56:40.601 --> 00:56:42.421
just means everything is possible.

00:56:42.781 --> 00:56:43.151
Okay.

00:56:43.151 --> 00:56:46.921
So do you think do Do you
do you regard chiropractic?

00:56:47.071 --> 00:56:48.301
As a preventative thing.

00:56:48.451 --> 00:56:50.821
So for example, if I say, well,
look, I'm, I'm, I sort of feel,

00:56:50.911 --> 00:56:52.971
okay, why would I need to go?

00:56:53.031 --> 00:56:56.091
Well, an adjustment you say, no,
actually ru an adjustment every

00:56:56.091 --> 00:56:57.201
three months is a good thing.

00:56:57.201 --> 00:56:59.211
Just, yeah, I mean, to make
sure that things are flowing.

00:56:59.211 --> 00:56:59.391
You know, it

00:56:59.391 --> 00:56:59.392
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:56:59.391 --> 00:57:01.191
depends on your lifestyle and what you do.

00:57:01.191 --> 00:57:06.861
Like I'm a yogi, I'm, I'm moving my
spine, I'm doing all kinds of yoga things.

00:57:06.921 --> 00:57:09.201
I might need to get adjusted once a year.

00:57:09.621 --> 00:57:09.651
Mm.

00:57:09.651 --> 00:57:13.701
You know, but if somebody does not
have a yogic lifestyle and they're not

00:57:13.701 --> 00:57:16.601
moving properly or doing anything that.

00:57:17.141 --> 00:57:18.791
It fosters proper alignment.

00:57:19.131 --> 00:57:20.241
They're going to need a car, correct?

00:57:20.991 --> 00:57:21.201
Yeah.

00:57:21.201 --> 00:57:25.271
And that's like about 90 percent of
the population, maybe, maybe even more.

00:57:25.271 --> 00:57:33.511
I heard a statistic today that said that
only 1 percent of the population works.

00:57:34.026 --> 00:57:37.466
In on farms, you know, whereas
100 years ago, it could have

00:57:37.466 --> 00:57:39.806
been 50 percent maybe 200 years.

00:57:39.806 --> 00:57:40.796
It was 90%.

00:57:41.046 --> 00:57:46.076
So bottom line is about 99 percent of
the population is either stuck in a car

00:57:46.076 --> 00:57:51.846
and office or a sedentary lifestyle where
they're not moving their spine like what

00:57:51.846 --> 00:57:56.636
you're doing, like going out and working
with horses and most people don't do that.

00:57:56.926 --> 00:57:57.506
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, sure.

00:57:57.966 --> 00:58:01.466
No, and I, you know, I can definitely
feel when I feel a bit stiff, but I

00:58:01.466 --> 00:58:02.836
can usually relate it to something.

00:58:03.006 --> 00:58:03.746
I got a bash.

00:58:03.776 --> 00:58:04.466
I fell off.

00:58:04.796 --> 00:58:09.186
I was pushing the wheelbarrow up
Pooh Mountain and it twisted slightly

00:58:09.186 --> 00:58:12.096
or something, you know, if someone
is leading a standard sedentary

00:58:12.096 --> 00:58:15.871
lifestyle, do you think, how often
do you think they should probably

00:58:15.871 --> 00:58:17.066
go and get themselves an adjustment?

00:58:18.791 --> 00:58:18.792
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:58:18.791 --> 00:58:23.081
My main recommendation I'd say is
like once a month, I would say.

00:58:23.081 --> 00:58:24.421
Okay.

00:58:24.421 --> 00:58:25.041
Monthly.

00:58:25.081 --> 00:58:25.301
Monthly.

00:58:25.721 --> 00:58:27.721
And again, that's based on your lifestyle.

00:58:27.721 --> 00:58:31.431
If you're like an extreme athlete,
you might be going twice a month

00:58:31.431 --> 00:58:33.511
or three times a month, you know.

00:58:33.511 --> 00:58:35.041
It's like, you know, it just depends.

00:58:35.041 --> 00:58:38.081
I mean, I have patients
who get adjusted weekly.

00:58:38.731 --> 00:58:40.821
You know, they have the
chiropractor come to them.

00:58:41.161 --> 00:58:42.111
They're billionaires.

00:58:42.111 --> 00:58:43.141
Rupert Isaacson: Can that be too much?

00:58:44.471 --> 00:58:44.472
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:58:44.471 --> 00:58:49.401
Not necessarily, no, if it's, you know,
cause a lot of times like chiropractors,

00:58:49.821 --> 00:58:55.301
I would say most modern chiropractors,
they're going to be doing a lot of

00:58:55.301 --> 00:59:00.091
different therapies that are not just
adjusting, they might be doing, you

00:59:00.091 --> 00:59:05.211
know, massage or, you know, some kind
of physical therapy where it's really

00:59:05.211 --> 00:59:10.441
a form of active release or muscle
training or, you know, stuff like that.

00:59:10.451 --> 00:59:10.471
Yeah.

00:59:10.881 --> 00:59:11.201
.  Rupert Isaacson: Okay.

00:59:11.751 --> 00:59:12.201
Alright.

00:59:12.501 --> 00:59:16.681
You are also doing a lot with
hyperbaric oxygen therapy.

00:59:17.151 --> 00:59:17.152
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:59:17.151 --> 00:59:17.451
Yeah.

00:59:17.451 --> 00:59:17.571
This

00:59:17.571 --> 00:59:19.701
Rupert Isaacson: is something I think
a lot of us has heard, have heard of.

00:59:20.241 --> 00:59:24.071
Why is to be oxygenated like this?

00:59:26.056 --> 00:59:26.866
So good.

00:59:27.506 --> 00:59:28.816
And how do you do it?

00:59:29.776 --> 00:59:29.777
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

00:59:29.776 --> 00:59:35.786
Okay, so hyper barracks have been
around that we know of since the 1600s.

00:59:35.826 --> 00:59:43.706
That's when the first hyperbaric chambers
were used medically and basically what

00:59:43.706 --> 00:59:49.516
they found is over the last several
hundred years is that exposing your body

00:59:49.556 --> 00:59:55.746
to a in a hyperbaric environment where
you're increased pressure, air pressure.

00:59:56.296 --> 01:00:00.396
What it does is there's a physics
principle called Henry's law.

01:00:00.626 --> 01:00:01.016
Okay.

01:00:01.616 --> 01:00:05.876
And basically what that says is,
you know, when a gas is put under

01:00:05.876 --> 01:00:13.186
pressure, that gas, if it's also You
know, in contact with a liquid, more

01:00:13.186 --> 01:00:15.736
of that gas will go into the liquid.

01:00:15.826 --> 01:00:20.586
So it's like forcing more air into
water in the in, you know, in the

01:00:20.586 --> 01:00:23.136
most basic way of understanding.

01:00:23.166 --> 01:00:28.496
So when a person goes into a hyperbaric
chamber, now you've got that increased

01:00:28.496 --> 01:00:33.106
pressure, and because of Henry's
law, air, more air is being pumped

01:00:33.106 --> 01:00:38.246
into your plasma, beyond the red
blood carrying capacity of oxygen.

01:00:38.801 --> 01:00:42.471
So now you're flooding your
tissues with far more oxygen that

01:00:42.471 --> 01:00:44.421
you would normally be exposed to.

01:00:44.831 --> 01:00:50.421
And what they found in the research
is that that will cause epigenetic

01:00:51.401 --> 01:00:55.381
switches in your DNA to be turned on.

01:00:55.871 --> 01:01:00.291
And what's happening is massive
anti inflammatory response.

01:01:00.311 --> 01:01:03.191
So it's really, really good for
any kind of autoimmune condition.

01:01:03.241 --> 01:01:03.671
Okay.

01:01:03.966 --> 01:01:05.046
Brings down inflammation.

01:01:05.056 --> 01:01:05.496
Yeah.

01:01:05.746 --> 01:01:08.286
Rupert Isaacson: It's interesting
too, I'm reading here that in, in

01:01:08.306 --> 01:01:14.136
1918, during the massive Spanish
flu thing that killed everybody, Dr.

01:01:14.136 --> 01:01:18.476
Orville Cunningham discovered a difference
in mortality rate between the flu patients

01:01:18.496 --> 01:01:23.086
living in higher elevations compared
to patients living at lower elevations.

01:01:23.086 --> 01:01:25.766
In higher elevations, you
breathe in less oxygen.

01:01:26.036 --> 01:01:29.906
This discovery led to many flu
patients seeking hyperbaric oxygen

01:01:30.746 --> 01:01:32.776
therapy treatments with great success.

01:01:34.011 --> 01:01:34.012
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:01:34.011 --> 01:01:35.141
That's an interesting thing.

01:01:35.141 --> 01:01:37.251
So we're talking about two things here.

01:01:37.251 --> 01:01:40.211
One is hyperbaric and one is hypobaric.

01:01:40.331 --> 01:01:41.311
Rupert Isaacson: Yes, exactly.

01:01:41.701 --> 01:01:41.702
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:01:41.701 --> 01:01:44.761
When you go to a high
elevation, now you're hypobaric.

01:01:45.071 --> 01:01:46.251
Right now.

01:01:46.261 --> 01:01:52.501
But so the latest research shows that
when you do intermittent hypobaric

01:01:52.521 --> 01:01:57.356
therapy going, in other words, lowering
the oxygen content in your blood, You

01:01:57.356 --> 01:02:02.016
get almost the exact same benefits
of being in a hyperbaric chamber.

01:02:02.356 --> 01:02:02.706
Interesting.

01:02:02.706 --> 01:02:08.686
Because the body has to respond by
creating more blood, increasing Releasing

01:02:08.696 --> 01:02:09.416
Rupert Isaacson: more oxygen.

01:02:09.626 --> 01:02:09.627
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:02:09.626 --> 01:02:14.226
Yeah, more, so it, it, it, everything
turns on so you can absorb more oxygen.

01:02:14.776 --> 01:02:15.166
And you

01:02:15.196 --> 01:02:17.456
Rupert Isaacson: said, you, you,
you talked about the 17th century

01:02:17.456 --> 01:02:18.976
and I'm, I'm reading this now.

01:02:19.306 --> 01:02:24.656
There's oxygen therapy began in 1662
when British physician Nathaniel Henshaw

01:02:24.876 --> 01:02:29.496
built the first pressurized room to
treat pulmonary and digestive conditions.

01:02:29.986 --> 01:02:34.646
At this point, the use of oxygen
therapy stalled until 1788.

01:02:34.656 --> 01:02:37.926
So a century later, when they use
compressed hyperbaric air and a diving

01:02:37.926 --> 01:02:40.846
bell for underwater repair, this spawned.

01:02:41.326 --> 01:02:45.586
August Ziba to create the first
deep sea diving suit in 1819.

01:02:45.906 --> 01:02:50.366
The first true hyperbaric tank arrived
in 1834 under the direction of Dr.

01:02:50.996 --> 01:02:52.636
Juno, the bulletin for the academic.

01:02:53.051 --> 01:02:54.561
The Academy of Medicine reported Dr.

01:02:55.011 --> 01:02:59.291
Juno's success with a complete recovery
from a variety of medical conditions and

01:02:59.291 --> 01:03:01.961
then, okay, then the 1900s come along.

01:03:02.481 --> 01:03:10.151
But what, hold on, back in 1662, they
didn't know what oxygen was, so how,

01:03:10.151 --> 01:03:13.161
how could they, how, why would they
be knowing to build a pressurized

01:03:13.721 --> 01:03:13.722
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:03:13.721 --> 01:03:16.031
What they were doing was compressing air.

01:03:16.221 --> 01:03:16.651
Why?

01:03:17.531 --> 01:03:23.681
Because, okay, the thing is, it's not
the oxygen per se, it's the pressure of

01:03:23.681 --> 01:03:28.501
the air or the atmospheres that so think
of about like when, when you go into

01:03:28.501 --> 01:03:34.361
water and dive down, when you get down
to say 10 feet or 12 feet, you're at 1.

01:03:34.361 --> 01:03:35.821
3 atmospheres.

01:03:36.221 --> 01:03:39.941
That's the, that's a form
of hyperbaric right there.

01:03:39.951 --> 01:03:42.701
So what they're doing is
reproducing the effects of that.

01:03:42.701 --> 01:03:42.711
Okay.

01:03:43.151 --> 01:03:49.711
Of being underwater, but with air,
not not even oxygen, just air itself,

01:03:50.621 --> 01:03:56.731
because once you pressurize that
air, the volume of oxygen itself will

01:03:56.921 --> 01:03:59.061
concentrate more into the plasma.

01:03:59.531 --> 01:04:05.121
So hyperbarics does not need
to be done with extra oxygen.

01:04:05.131 --> 01:04:09.081
Although if you add the extra
oxygen, you get even more benefit

01:04:09.081 --> 01:04:12.961
because now you're increasing the
availability of oxygen even more.

01:04:14.721 --> 01:04:15.281
Rupert Isaacson: Right.

01:04:15.931 --> 01:04:16.241
Okay.

01:04:16.241 --> 01:04:18.371
I'm going further down
the Henshaw rabbit hole.

01:04:18.381 --> 01:04:22.401
Cause I'm thinking how could a guy called
Nathaniel Henshaw in England in 1662.

01:04:22.666 --> 01:04:25.826
Which is English Civil War.

01:04:25.976 --> 01:04:30.096
No, it's, it's just, it's under
Cromwell, I think, at that point.

01:04:30.196 --> 01:04:35.666
You know, people don't know
much about things at that point.

01:04:35.696 --> 01:04:41.216
And now it says, actually, he
proposed to create a chamber.

01:04:41.921 --> 01:04:43.851
thinking that it, but he
didn't actually build it.

01:04:43.861 --> 01:04:44.911
It was never built.

01:04:45.331 --> 01:04:49.871
And then other people came along, I
think in the 18th century and did, but

01:04:50.141 --> 01:04:57.911
what, so Henshaw recommended pressures
up to three times atmospheric pressure

01:04:58.471 --> 01:05:03.541
and durations for acute conditions
until their resolution, what I'm,

01:05:03.821 --> 01:05:06.681
and there was another 170 years
before a functional air chamber would

01:05:06.681 --> 01:05:08.621
finally become a reality, but what.

01:05:09.571 --> 01:05:16.171
What I'm intrigued by is how
would somebody in 17th century

01:05:16.171 --> 01:05:21.081
civil war England, where they're
still burning witches be coming

01:05:21.081 --> 01:05:24.251
up with I'm intrigued, how, why?

01:05:24.351 --> 01:05:24.352
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:05:24.351 --> 01:05:29.176
You know, I think that, you know, if you
look back in the history of medicine You

01:05:29.176 --> 01:05:32.236
know, to Paracelsus and even Isaac Newton.

01:05:32.236 --> 01:05:36.956
I don't know what year they were in, but
these people had very advanced thinking.

01:05:36.956 --> 01:05:40.986
So you got to, you got to think,
okay, they're thinking of everything.

01:05:41.016 --> 01:05:44.626
Pressure of air, the
effects of magnetic energy.

01:05:44.636 --> 01:05:47.866
I mean, they were using
magnets back then, you know?

01:05:47.866 --> 01:05:48.636
So they're right.

01:05:48.636 --> 01:05:50.346
And he was, I said,

01:05:50.346 --> 01:05:51.926
Rupert Isaacson: was a
member of the Royal society.

01:05:51.926 --> 01:05:52.776
So they were all.

01:05:53.121 --> 01:05:54.611
Getting together and experimenting.

01:05:54.611 --> 01:05:57.521
And of course, as you say, Isaac
Newton was in there with him.

01:05:57.791 --> 01:05:57.792
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:05:57.791 --> 01:05:58.241
Yeah.

01:05:58.331 --> 01:05:58.661
Yeah.

01:05:59.561 --> 01:06:02.991
They were looking at gravity,
magnetics, you know, all different

01:06:03.011 --> 01:06:06.891
forms of physics experiments, you know?

01:06:07.061 --> 01:06:10.341
So it just makes sense that they
would, you know, experiment with

01:06:10.391 --> 01:06:14.781
air pressure as, as one of the,
you know, things that, you know,

01:06:15.091 --> 01:06:17.881
Rupert Isaacson: I think, yeah, I think
he's, I think he was coming from the.

01:06:18.546 --> 01:06:23.216
Rome, the, the, the Greek physician,
the ideas of Galen, you know, Claudius

01:06:23.216 --> 01:06:29.366
Galenus the Greek physician but living
under the Romans, you know, 126 to 216 AD.

01:06:29.366 --> 01:06:31.316
A lot of things go back to him.

01:06:31.546 --> 01:06:36.386
This idea of the humors and fluids,
and putting pressure to correct

01:06:36.406 --> 01:06:38.916
the balance in humors and fluids.

01:06:39.466 --> 01:06:42.566
And I guess they must have
been observing that changes in

01:06:42.566 --> 01:06:45.876
atmosphere and air pressure make
people feel differently, right?

01:06:45.876 --> 01:06:47.158
We spoke about that,

01:06:47.158 --> 01:06:47.159
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:06:47.158 --> 01:06:47.552
right?

01:06:47.552 --> 01:06:49.776
The people who live at altitude?

01:06:49.866 --> 01:06:50.256
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.

01:06:51.316 --> 01:06:51.317
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:06:51.316 --> 01:06:51.816
They have longer lives?

01:06:51.816 --> 01:06:52.036
Yeah,

01:06:52.306 --> 01:06:54.816
Rupert Isaacson: the mountain
people seem to be healthier and

01:06:55.301 --> 01:06:55.302
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:06:55.301 --> 01:06:55.661
Yeah,

01:06:55.911 --> 01:06:56.921
Rupert Isaacson: more jumpy aroundy.

01:06:56.991 --> 01:06:57.431
Yes.

01:06:57.551 --> 01:06:57.552
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:06:57.551 --> 01:06:57.871
No,

01:06:58.821 --> 01:06:59.881
Rupert Isaacson: not dying of malaria

01:07:01.991 --> 01:07:02.601
On the planes.

01:07:02.631 --> 01:07:07.981
Yes, the good cleaner interesting though
because in in that time you know There

01:07:07.981 --> 01:07:10.321
were still people obviously believing
that you shouldn't open the window at

01:07:10.321 --> 01:07:15.131
night because of bad humors from the air,
you know I think mistaking swamp fever

01:07:15.211 --> 01:07:18.951
and being bitten by malaria carrying
mosquitoes and that sort of thing.

01:07:19.301 --> 01:07:23.381
So It's interesting, and there's nothing
specific here in what I've just been

01:07:23.421 --> 01:07:27.711
able to see in the last two minutes
saying, Oh, Henshaw noticed that people

01:07:27.711 --> 01:07:31.901
living up in the Scottish Highlands or
the French Alps seem to live longer.

01:07:32.421 --> 01:07:35.251
But there must have been
these observations going on.

01:07:35.251 --> 01:07:37.971
I presume that people like
Galen must have because the

01:07:37.981 --> 01:07:39.726
Roman Empire spanned all these.

01:07:40.796 --> 01:07:44.636
But it's fascinating to me that, okay,
so hyperbarics, we're going to get

01:07:44.646 --> 01:07:48.246
more oxygen in our systems, and that's
going to help us with inflammation.

01:07:48.526 --> 01:07:49.056
Yeah, that,

01:07:49.186 --> 01:07:49.187
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:07:49.186 --> 01:07:51.776
well, inflammation is
the low hanging fruit.

01:07:51.816 --> 01:07:57.516
The other thing that hyperbarics does
that every, every week that you spend

01:07:57.516 --> 01:08:01.496
in a hyperbaric chamber, meaning
one, one hour a day for five days,

01:08:02.271 --> 01:08:04.351
or seven days either one, I think.

01:08:04.771 --> 01:08:09.761
What they've seen now, and this is
very recent research, is that your,

01:08:10.261 --> 01:08:16.591
your circulating stem cells will triple
in your blood for every week that

01:08:16.591 --> 01:08:18.151
you spend in a hyperbaric chamber.

01:08:19.211 --> 01:08:20.851
Rupert Isaacson: And if you
do a once a week treatment.

01:08:21.796 --> 01:08:21.797
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:08:21.796 --> 01:08:24.606
Yeah, well, no, not once a
week, every day for a week.

01:08:25.906 --> 01:08:26.716
Published studies.

01:08:26.716 --> 01:08:30.146
I have access to some real recent stuff.

01:08:30.146 --> 01:08:31.106
It's unpublished.

01:08:31.576 --> 01:08:33.916
Rupert Isaacson: So again,
as a preventative, what do

01:08:33.916 --> 01:08:35.666
you recommend for people?

01:08:35.676 --> 01:08:36.886
If they want to explore hyperbaric?

01:08:36.886 --> 01:08:36.887
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:08:36.886 --> 01:08:40.996
Well, you know, the reason I did
it personally was because of the

01:08:41.026 --> 01:08:43.466
Israeli research, so that Israelis.

01:08:44.636 --> 01:08:48.746
You know, published a research paper
is about four years ago now where

01:08:48.746 --> 01:08:54.356
they showed that spending 60 days in
a hyperbaric every day, two hours a

01:08:54.356 --> 01:08:57.226
day, increased telomere length by 25%.

01:08:58.271 --> 01:08:58.811
Rupert Isaacson: What length?

01:08:59.511 --> 01:08:59.512
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:08:59.511 --> 01:08:59.991
Telomere.

01:09:00.421 --> 01:09:01.761
Rupert Isaacson: Tell
us what telomeres are.

01:09:01.841 --> 01:09:01.842
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:09:01.841 --> 01:09:04.911
Telomeres are the end
caps of your chromosomes.

01:09:05.341 --> 01:09:09.561
And what happens is every time your cells
divide, those telomeres shrink, shrink,

01:09:09.561 --> 01:09:14.121
shrink until they, when it gets to the
end, you're, you don't divide anymore.

01:09:14.371 --> 01:09:16.291
And that cell then becomes senescent.

01:09:16.661 --> 01:09:20.431
Once you have enough of those
senescent cells, that's it.

01:09:20.881 --> 01:09:22.581
That's your lifespan, right?

01:09:22.721 --> 01:09:25.581
So if you can increase that length.

01:09:25.906 --> 01:09:29.236
You're essentially reversing
the effects of aging.

01:09:30.456 --> 01:09:32.956
Rupert Isaacson: And the hyperbaric
chambers look like scary places.

01:09:32.956 --> 01:09:37.766
They look like, you know, the
old cast iron forms of like MRI

01:09:37.776 --> 01:09:40.496
things that they put you in where
you're gonna die of claustrophobia.

01:09:40.716 --> 01:09:44.686
So, how do you deal with not going mad
when you go into a hyperbaric chamber?

01:09:44.686 --> 01:09:45.596
Well, okay, that's a

01:09:45.596 --> 01:09:45.597
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:09:45.596 --> 01:09:46.676
great question, you know.

01:09:47.036 --> 01:09:51.976
Because of that, we, we got the
largest possible chamber we could get.

01:09:51.986 --> 01:09:54.806
The chamber we have is over 60 inches.

01:09:55.581 --> 01:09:56.431
diameter.

01:09:56.431 --> 01:09:58.781
So it's very large on the inside.

01:09:58.821 --> 01:10:02.351
It can accommodate like
four to five people.

01:10:02.861 --> 01:10:04.571
Usually just one or two goes in there.

01:10:04.571 --> 01:10:04.881
But

01:10:04.981 --> 01:10:05.791
Rupert Isaacson: because is it sealed?

01:10:05.831 --> 01:10:09.321
Once you go in that clock,
the, the, the door closes.

01:10:09.741 --> 01:10:09.742
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:10:09.741 --> 01:10:10.091
Yeah.

01:10:10.361 --> 01:10:10.671
Yeah.

01:10:10.771 --> 01:10:13.291
Do people ever panic in their windows?

01:10:13.301 --> 01:10:17.421
So, you know, 99 percent of the
patients don't have a problem at all.

01:10:17.471 --> 01:10:20.601
Cause once you're in there
you can get the, the reason

01:10:20.601 --> 01:10:22.481
people get claustrophobic is.

01:10:22.956 --> 01:10:29.486
The fear of not being able to escape And
so there is internal mechanisms within

01:10:29.486 --> 01:10:33.716
the chamber where you can get out from
the inside You're not trapped in there.

01:10:34.186 --> 01:10:36.786
So what people will
realize that they will.

01:10:36.786 --> 01:10:41.546
Oh, yeah, I could i'm Okay, like I can
get out of here if I need to That usually

01:10:41.676 --> 01:10:44.866
lowers the, the fear factor quite a bit.

01:10:44.936 --> 01:10:47.686
Rupert Isaacson: And what do people do
while they're in the hyperbaric chamber?

01:10:47.746 --> 01:10:49.306
Are they having a pint?

01:10:49.386 --> 01:10:50.346
Are they reading a book?

01:10:50.636 --> 01:10:51.236
Are they

01:10:51.736 --> 01:10:51.737
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:10:51.736 --> 01:10:53.586
declaiming epic poetry to each other?

01:10:53.586 --> 01:10:54.206
Or are you

01:10:54.206 --> 01:10:55.466
Rupert Isaacson: lying there very still?

01:10:56.046 --> 01:10:56.047
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:10:56.046 --> 01:10:57.066
Yeah, you can do whatever.

01:10:57.066 --> 01:11:01.066
I mean, I'll listen to podcasts
or read a book or whatever.

01:11:01.306 --> 01:11:02.336
You can do whatever you want.

01:11:02.346 --> 01:11:06.436
But typically after about a half
an hour in a session, You'll fall

01:11:06.436 --> 01:11:08.506
asleep because it's very sedative.

01:11:08.506 --> 01:11:11.456
It has a very relaxing effect
on your nervous system.

01:11:11.916 --> 01:11:14.916
Rupert Isaacson: And do you still go
into a hyperbaric chamber yourself?

01:11:15.426 --> 01:11:15.427
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:11:15.426 --> 01:11:18.576
Yeah, I do a, yeah, I usually do
it two or three times a month.

01:11:18.976 --> 01:11:19.536
I go in.

01:11:19.706 --> 01:11:20.916
Rupert Isaacson: And how
long do you go in for?

01:11:21.656 --> 01:11:21.657
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:11:21.656 --> 01:11:21.986
Yeah.

01:11:22.536 --> 01:11:23.576
Rupert Isaacson: How
long do you go in for?

01:11:23.826 --> 01:11:23.827
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:11:23.826 --> 01:11:25.846
For like an hour, sometimes
an hour and a half.

01:11:27.146 --> 01:11:27.526
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.

01:11:28.026 --> 01:11:28.576
Okay.

01:11:28.856 --> 01:11:32.786
Talk to me about red light, not
the red light district of, of

01:11:33.306 --> 01:11:35.766
Los Angeles, of course there
are many but red light therapy.

01:11:35.766 --> 01:11:36.616
But,

01:11:36.616 --> 01:11:36.617
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:11:36.616 --> 01:11:40.136
The red light is you know,
it's the up and coming biohack.

01:11:40.706 --> 01:11:44.466
There's a lot of research coming
out about red light, you know, red

01:11:44.466 --> 01:11:49.356
light, basically what it's doing at
the most fundamental level is it's.

01:11:50.041 --> 01:11:52.261
activating the mitochondria.

01:11:52.261 --> 01:11:57.211
It's it's the mitochondria are the
energy factories within our cells.

01:11:57.761 --> 01:12:01.811
And mitochondria just so happen to
have what are called chromophores,

01:12:01.841 --> 01:12:05.991
which are light receptive,
you know, antennas basically.

01:12:05.991 --> 01:12:06.241
Right.

01:12:06.241 --> 01:12:07.861
Rupert Isaacson: So that we
basically, we photosynthesize

01:12:08.271 --> 01:12:09.401
without knowing it sort of thing.

01:12:09.421 --> 01:12:10.361
Exactly.

01:12:10.781 --> 01:12:10.951
So

01:12:11.221 --> 01:12:11.222
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:12:11.221 --> 01:12:12.911
when you get exposed to the right.

01:12:13.221 --> 01:12:17.881
wavelengths of light, which happen to be
in the red and the near infrared range,

01:12:18.181 --> 01:12:24.711
you're activating the maximal amount of
ATP production, as well as mitochondrial

01:12:24.741 --> 01:12:28.951
biogenesis, so it actually helps
strengthen and grow healthy mitochondria.

01:12:30.991 --> 01:12:35.951
Rupert Isaacson: Why, why of the
different lights that are on the spectrum?

01:12:36.526 --> 01:12:38.586
Why is red light such a powerful one?

01:12:39.336 --> 01:12:39.337
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:12:39.336 --> 01:12:44.106
I think it's probably due to the fact
that, you know, terrestrial life, we

01:12:44.106 --> 01:12:50.516
evolved, I think over 40 or 50% of the
light that comes from the sun is in

01:12:50.516 --> 01:12:52.436
the red and the near infrared range.

01:12:52.526 --> 01:12:56.986
Mm-hmm . And so it's a
factor in life really.

01:12:56.986 --> 01:13:01.236
It just comes from the
biology of life on the planet.

01:13:01.436 --> 01:13:04.346
In UV light, all is
also important as well.

01:13:04.896 --> 01:13:08.006
And that's where we're
getting our vitamin D from.

01:13:08.066 --> 01:13:13.146
And then, and also in the recent research,
it's not just vitamin D, it's all of

01:13:13.146 --> 01:13:15.256
your hormones get increased in UV light.

01:13:17.226 --> 01:13:20.796
Rupert Isaacson: Could you not just,
you know, go buy a red incandescent

01:13:20.796 --> 01:13:23.056
bulb from the light store?

01:13:23.366 --> 01:13:26.116
Why do you need, what's
special about a machine?

01:13:26.126 --> 01:13:27.556
Well, the

01:13:27.556 --> 01:13:27.557
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:13:27.556 --> 01:13:31.206
thing is that they, you know, from all
the decades of research, there's been

01:13:31.216 --> 01:13:33.176
decades of research done on red light.

01:13:33.631 --> 01:13:38.751
There are a few like say bands of
the frequency and the light in the

01:13:38.751 --> 01:13:42.371
wavelengths where you're getting
the biggest bang for your buck.

01:13:42.661 --> 01:13:46.101
Okay, so if you're just buying
a, you know, like a standard

01:13:46.121 --> 01:13:50.531
thing of incandescent light,
you're going to get some benefit.

01:13:50.896 --> 01:13:56.676
But when you, you go within those very
tight bands, you're getting the maximum.

01:13:56.686 --> 01:13:58.646
So, it's really about efficiency.

01:13:58.676 --> 01:14:02.966
Like, in our clinic, the red
light that we use, the treatment

01:14:02.966 --> 01:14:04.186
time is only 12 minutes.

01:14:04.186 --> 01:14:08.486
It doesn't take a long time to get
the biologic effect of red light.

01:14:08.916 --> 01:14:13.836
You know, with like an incandescent light,
you might not even get all the benefits

01:14:13.846 --> 01:14:15.646
if you sat in front of it for hours.

01:14:15.996 --> 01:14:18.616
You know, so it's like,
it's about efficiency.

01:14:19.741 --> 01:14:20.191
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.

01:14:20.691 --> 01:14:21.891
People talk about it.

01:14:22.001 --> 01:14:24.231
I've heard people talk about
it as an anti aging thing.

01:14:24.231 --> 01:14:24.232
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:14:24.231 --> 01:14:25.291
Yeah.

01:14:25.291 --> 01:14:29.691
Rupert Isaacson: It's the reality that
it's actually boosting your mitochondria.

01:14:29.911 --> 01:14:29.912
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:14:29.911 --> 01:14:36.301
Yeah, mitochondria and the corollary
to that is your cells, you get

01:14:36.301 --> 01:14:38.311
collagen production in your skin.

01:14:38.581 --> 01:14:41.801
You get increased function of your organs.

01:14:41.931 --> 01:14:45.011
Clinically we've seen people
with heart conditions.

01:14:45.576 --> 01:14:51.926
Improved or a neuro neurologic
conditions like MS Parkinson's dementia

01:14:52.136 --> 01:14:56.896
all get benefited because our brain
has a massive amount of mitochondria.

01:14:57.366 --> 01:15:03.496
And so when you expose the brain and the
body to a massive amount of the right

01:15:03.676 --> 01:15:08.706
wavelength, the red near red, you're,
you're rejuvenating the mitochondria.

01:15:09.071 --> 01:15:09.621
Rupert Isaacson: Mhm.

01:15:10.481 --> 01:15:10.951
Okay.

01:15:11.171 --> 01:15:13.481
I'm also, of course, because I
need to know the story behind

01:15:13.491 --> 01:15:17.191
everything, say light therapy has
been around for more than 50 years.

01:15:17.191 --> 01:15:18.011
I'm reading here.

01:15:18.151 --> 01:15:23.181
It was discovered by the Hungarian
physician, Andre Mester in the 1960s when

01:15:23.181 --> 01:15:28.161
scientific experiments with red lasers on
rats led to hair growth and wound healing.

01:15:29.071 --> 01:15:32.791
According to a research article
published in the journal of biophotonics.

01:15:33.551 --> 01:15:37.871
Over the years, light therapy was
largely considered bogus, but with new

01:15:37.871 --> 01:15:42.511
research, some conflicting, the scientific
community has started to take notice.

01:15:43.051 --> 01:15:44.201
Right now in the U.

01:15:44.201 --> 01:15:44.391
S.

01:15:44.401 --> 01:15:48.081
it's still considered non mainstream,
but there's growing academic and

01:15:48.081 --> 01:15:51.401
clinical centers adopting the
technology and making it available.

01:15:51.401 --> 01:15:59.061
Yeah, so, it's very interesting The, we
know that people also use other types

01:15:59.061 --> 01:16:02.061
of color, like blue green as well.

01:16:02.541 --> 01:16:02.631
Yeah.

01:16:02.711 --> 01:16:07.081
So why is red so much better
and what do blue and green also

01:16:07.411 --> 01:16:08.731
we're Often the blue is bad.

01:16:08.791 --> 01:16:09.001
Right?

01:16:09.001 --> 01:16:10.651
That our, our screens are blue and

01:16:10.921 --> 01:16:10.922
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:16:10.921 --> 01:16:15.361
we, yeah, so the blue, the blue
I believe is more antimicrobial.

01:16:15.541 --> 01:16:17.551
Mm-hmm . So if you have an
infection, you can use light.

01:16:18.051 --> 01:16:18.861
Green light.

01:16:18.951 --> 01:16:22.331
It has another effect, I think on pain.

01:16:22.611 --> 01:16:29.121
So each, each wavelength of
light will have a variation

01:16:29.641 --> 01:16:31.521
of its benefits on the body.

01:16:31.831 --> 01:16:35.791
But the thing that differentiates red
from all of those different colors

01:16:36.161 --> 01:16:39.721
is that's the one that's focusing
on your mitochondria, primarily.

01:16:40.131 --> 01:16:42.081
Rupert Isaacson: And then, is
red light the same as infrared?

01:16:43.006 --> 01:16:43.007
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:16:43.006 --> 01:16:47.956
It's in the, okay, so when I say red,
it's kind of that band of red and

01:16:47.966 --> 01:16:50.656
near infrared that we're looking at.

01:16:50.656 --> 01:16:56.416
It's between like 600 and
1100 nanometers, okay?

01:16:56.466 --> 01:16:58.966
That's the red and near infrared range.

01:16:58.976 --> 01:16:59.716
Why not use

01:16:59.716 --> 01:17:00.266
Rupert Isaacson: infrared?

01:17:00.281 --> 01:17:00.282
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:17:00.281 --> 01:17:07.321
Okay, there's near infrared is more
targeting into your mitochondria.

01:17:07.321 --> 01:17:14.491
The far infrared, which is typically more
found with saunas are thermal heating,

01:17:15.051 --> 01:17:17.491
so it doesn't have the photonic effect.

01:17:17.931 --> 01:17:22.411
on the mitochondria as the near infrared,
but there's still a benefit from using it.

01:17:22.421 --> 01:17:24.581
It's just a different type of benefit.

01:17:24.771 --> 01:17:27.031
Rupert Isaacson: Okay, got it.

01:17:27.531 --> 01:17:30.281
It's fascinating because there's a
bunch of things I've actually wanted

01:17:30.281 --> 01:17:32.411
to ask forever about these things.

01:17:32.521 --> 01:17:33.861
Because, you know, people
tell you about them.

01:17:33.861 --> 01:17:35.171
You're like, oh yeah,
that sounds interesting.

01:17:35.171 --> 01:17:36.801
And then they, oh, what
did they say again?

01:17:36.801 --> 01:17:39.481
I can't really remember, you know,
except that it's apparently good

01:17:39.481 --> 01:17:42.361
for me and over there and then
you forget about it, you know?

01:17:42.621 --> 01:17:45.301
So it's, it's really good to have a.

01:17:45.701 --> 01:17:47.551
chance to dive deeper.

01:17:47.551 --> 01:17:49.251
There's, there's one more
I want to ask you about.

01:17:49.801 --> 01:17:54.291
So, and this is to do with stem cells.

01:17:54.671 --> 01:17:55.361
So

01:18:00.331 --> 01:18:02.481
I think people now, you know,

01:18:05.941 --> 01:18:10.951
I used to eat the word stem cell and, but
I remember, what was it, you know, 10 or

01:18:11.231 --> 01:18:15.511
15 years ago, stem cells were suddenly
things that were being talked about.

01:18:15.601 --> 01:18:16.501
Oh, what the fuck is a stem cell?

01:18:16.501 --> 01:18:18.821
You know, now, now suddenly
it's like, Oh yeah, stem cells.

01:18:19.271 --> 01:18:24.231
And, and as I understand them,
they are the stem, the, the embryo.

01:18:24.696 --> 01:18:29.876
of a cell that gets put into place, and
then it can be become this cell or that

01:18:29.876 --> 01:18:33.606
cell depending on how it gets activated.

01:18:33.876 --> 01:18:40.366
But as cells die, they need to be
replaced with new stem cells and, or new

01:18:40.846 --> 01:18:45.876
cells, which have to be stem, stem cells
before they're specialized, no cells

01:18:45.876 --> 01:18:49.826
or neurons or I'm trying to think of
something funny, but it's escaping me.

01:18:49.976 --> 01:18:50.436
So it looks like

01:18:51.476 --> 01:18:51.477
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:18:51.476 --> 01:18:56.896
when we're born, our body has
a certain supply of stem cells.

01:18:56.906 --> 01:18:57.376
That is.

01:18:57.761 --> 01:19:01.661
sits dormant your whole
life, pretty much life.

01:19:01.981 --> 01:19:06.091
And what happens is when you're,
when you incur, when you, when you're

01:19:06.121 --> 01:19:11.331
injured or have something happen,
where your body gets injured, let's

01:19:11.331 --> 01:19:14.041
say like, say you just cut your
finger, this is the most simple thing.

01:19:14.816 --> 01:19:18.436
The stem cells in your
body will get the message.

01:19:18.436 --> 01:19:22.346
Hey guys, you need to wake up and go
to that finger and repair that finger.

01:19:22.436 --> 01:19:22.776
Rupert Isaacson: Right.

01:19:23.236 --> 01:19:25.326
And that's like, it's
like the poly filler.

01:19:25.326 --> 01:19:26.166
It's like the concrete.

01:19:26.466 --> 01:19:29.336
It's like, whoop, the concrete's
got chipped over there in.

01:19:29.401 --> 01:19:35.111
You know, the intelligence
of our body, you

01:19:35.191 --> 01:19:35.192
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:19:35.191 --> 01:19:40.681
know, the intelligence of our body
will work with those dormant stem

01:19:40.681 --> 01:19:45.301
cells and put them where they need
to go based on our requirements.

01:19:46.271 --> 01:19:50.361
Rupert Isaacson: So with this
in mind, talk to me about pulse

01:19:50.421 --> 01:19:56.171
electromagnetic field therapy,
pulse electromagnetic field therapy.

01:19:57.151 --> 01:19:57.152
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:19:57.151 --> 01:20:01.211
So PMF, you know, that's a type
of therapy that originated,

01:20:01.211 --> 01:20:02.281
I think it was in Germany.

01:20:02.951 --> 01:20:09.861
It is part of the it was Germany and
also Russia in their space program, what

01:20:09.861 --> 01:20:14.951
they found was that the early cosmonauts
when they come back from space, you

01:20:14.951 --> 01:20:18.681
know, they were doing the long duration
spaceflight they would come back and their

01:20:18.741 --> 01:20:21.081
bodies would literally be like jello.

01:20:21.391 --> 01:20:25.701
They'd come out of the spacecraft and
they would collapse with no muscle tone.

01:20:25.981 --> 01:20:30.231
You know, their bones were all
osteoporotic, their body was literally

01:20:30.251 --> 01:20:35.271
melting because they didn't have access
to the magnetic field of the earth, right?

01:20:35.271 --> 01:20:41.191
So they found out from doing experiments
that living organisms on the planet

01:20:41.221 --> 01:20:44.141
require magnetic field to even exist.

01:20:45.711 --> 01:20:50.001
It's a requirement, just like
water and air is a requirement.

01:20:51.231 --> 01:20:54.531
They call it vitamin M, you
know, the magnetic energy.

01:20:54.531 --> 01:20:55.621
It's called vitamin M.

01:20:57.411 --> 01:21:01.651
Rupert Isaacson: So given that we're here
on the planet and we're getting that, why

01:21:01.661 --> 01:21:04.781
do we need this magnetic type of therapy?

01:21:04.781 --> 01:21:05.051
Well,

01:21:05.081 --> 01:21:05.082
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:21:05.081 --> 01:21:06.671
it's just like, you know, okay.

01:21:06.671 --> 01:21:12.671
So think of it like this modern
society we've, for the most

01:21:12.671 --> 01:21:17.186
part, cut our connection to the
earth, the electromagnetics.

01:21:17.746 --> 01:21:18.626
Of the earth.

01:21:19.216 --> 01:21:23.066
We walk around in rubber shoes or leather
shoes, whatever kind of shoes we're

01:21:23.066 --> 01:21:30.246
wearing on, you know, surfaces that are
not electrically connected to the planet.

01:21:30.826 --> 01:21:33.496
So we've lost that connection right there.

01:21:33.676 --> 01:21:34.896
Just that alone, right?

01:21:35.326 --> 01:21:37.956
And then you add in all the interference.

01:21:38.441 --> 01:21:44.391
Of the modern, you know, electromagnetic
pollution that we live in, we're getting

01:21:44.431 --> 01:21:48.951
degraded massively from that connection.

01:21:49.301 --> 01:21:54.041
And so we need an extra dose, just
like, you know, a lot of people now in

01:21:54.071 --> 01:22:00.141
LA will go to get an IV of vitamin C
or vitamin B or whatever, because the

01:22:00.291 --> 01:22:02.551
food is totally lacking in nutrition.

01:22:03.751 --> 01:22:06.131
Vitamin M is just as
important as any vitamin.

01:22:06.791 --> 01:22:10.851
It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's
a requirement that we have it.

01:22:11.271 --> 01:22:15.421
And so what we've seen, and the research
really clearly shows this, is that

01:22:15.421 --> 01:22:22.156
when you expose yourself to a pulse
magnetic field, It's going to increase

01:22:22.356 --> 01:22:27.946
and accelerate the healing process, no
matter what that thing is, it could be

01:22:28.186 --> 01:22:33.536
a bone related injury, a sprain strain,
it could be an infection, it could

01:22:33.546 --> 01:22:36.196
be you know, a tumor in your brain.

01:22:36.396 --> 01:22:40.246
It doesn't really matter when you
increase the magnetic energy into

01:22:40.246 --> 01:22:45.876
the body, the body will start to
repair itself in an accelerated way.

01:22:47.211 --> 01:22:49.931
Rupert Isaacson: Okay, but then why
not just go lie down under a tree?

01:22:51.091 --> 01:22:51.092
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:22:51.091 --> 01:22:56.241
That can work in most cases, I would say,
like if you're just looking for wellness.

01:22:56.961 --> 01:23:01.901
And like just to maintain your,
your, your, your basic energy.

01:23:01.941 --> 01:23:03.771
I've totally, I do that myself.

01:23:03.941 --> 01:23:05.101
I do that every weekend.

01:23:05.391 --> 01:23:07.711
I go to the beach and lay
under a tree on the ground.

01:23:08.151 --> 01:23:10.941
That's a very, very
basic thing you can do.

01:23:11.511 --> 01:23:15.651
But what we've seen is when
you have either a chronic

01:23:15.651 --> 01:23:18.421
illness or an acute injury.

01:23:18.861 --> 01:23:21.201
And we're talking about broken bones.

01:23:21.541 --> 01:23:24.841
We're talking about people
with chronic digester or auto

01:23:24.851 --> 01:23:28.071
immune issues and even cancers.

01:23:28.711 --> 01:23:33.021
When, when, when the body gets
that deranged and out of balance.

01:23:33.386 --> 01:23:38.616
and you expose it to a high powered
magnetic field, pulsing magnetic field,

01:23:39.186 --> 01:23:41.506
it greatly increases the healing.

01:23:42.306 --> 01:23:47.886
So when laying underneath the tree is
not going to fix a broken bone, okay,

01:23:48.156 --> 01:23:52.536
but getting on a high powered EMF will
cut your healing time by one fifth.

01:23:53.111 --> 01:23:53.871
That's what they've seen.

01:23:54.801 --> 01:23:57.841
So it's, it's, you know, there
are a lot of times people get a

01:23:57.841 --> 01:24:01.831
fracture and it doesn't heal properly
or it doesn't heal all the way.

01:24:02.161 --> 01:24:04.711
And that's when a pulse
magnetic field comes in.

01:24:05.041 --> 01:24:09.421
It can finish, it can help the
body, assist the body in finishing

01:24:09.421 --> 01:24:11.681
that job that it's trying to do.

01:24:12.301 --> 01:24:12.851
Rupert Isaacson: Right.

01:24:12.921 --> 01:24:13.331
Okay.

01:24:13.561 --> 01:24:14.961
And you use a machine for that.

01:24:14.971 --> 01:24:19.161
So does the machine it's, and it's
got this sort of big head on it.

01:24:19.281 --> 01:24:19.671
Is it.

01:24:20.446 --> 01:24:22.986
You have this big head because
it's just going to throw out this

01:24:23.486 --> 01:24:25.886
massive electromagnetic field at you.

01:24:26.706 --> 01:24:26.707
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:24:26.706 --> 01:24:29.576
Well, we have several different
units we use in the office.

01:24:29.886 --> 01:24:32.376
The primary one is a pulse table.

01:24:32.966 --> 01:24:35.446
And it's literally the patient lays on it.

01:24:35.446 --> 01:24:37.216
It's, it's the entire body.

01:24:37.316 --> 01:24:37.626
Okay.

01:24:37.976 --> 01:24:41.356
Your whole body from head to
toe is being saturated in a

01:24:41.566 --> 01:24:43.296
very powerful magnetic field.

01:24:43.706 --> 01:24:47.186
That's the primary therapy, but we use
that one that you're talking about the

01:24:47.186 --> 01:24:52.416
head When we want to focus on a specific
area like a joint say a knee or a shoulder

01:24:52.676 --> 01:24:58.966
or a low back That head will generate
a huge magnetic field pulse magnetic

01:24:58.966 --> 01:25:02.656
field that will stimulate tissue repair.

01:25:03.816 --> 01:25:05.586
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah,
it's, it's interesting.

01:25:05.606 --> 01:25:08.086
I'm reading a little bit
here from the Mayo clinic.

01:25:08.636 --> 01:25:10.266
And also from

01:25:10.266 --> 01:25:12.066
the, the FDA has approved it.

01:25:12.076 --> 01:25:15.046
It's interesting because you
know, they, they're so they won't

01:25:15.236 --> 01:25:17.086
approve much that isn't the drug.

01:25:17.496 --> 01:25:20.926
I'm actually surprised that they've
that they've, that they've, approved

01:25:20.926 --> 01:25:25.346
electromagnetic therapy and what is
also true is, you know, spoiler alert,

01:25:25.416 --> 01:25:28.886
actually I do work with quite a few
physicians who wholeheartedly recommend

01:25:28.896 --> 01:25:30.506
it for the reasons you just described.

01:25:30.506 --> 01:25:33.386
But what I think is interesting
is that when I say, well, why

01:25:33.386 --> 01:25:35.366
not just go lie under a tree?

01:25:36.346 --> 01:25:36.347
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:25:36.346 --> 01:25:36.466
I

01:25:36.466 --> 01:25:37.886
Rupert Isaacson: can actually
answer that question.

01:25:39.036 --> 01:25:44.366
I think that if you do when you say
things like, well, it won't heal a

01:25:44.366 --> 01:25:49.016
broken bone, I think it will still
heal it faster if you can do that.

01:25:49.266 --> 01:25:55.156
But I think, but I think the, I think the,
the, the truth of the matter is that most

01:25:55.156 --> 01:26:02.176
people have no opportunity to lie under
a tree, even though they live on planet.

01:26:03.046 --> 01:26:06.226
It's so crazy because I think
most of us are zoo animals.

01:26:06.956 --> 01:26:08.176
We live in cages.

01:26:08.676 --> 01:26:10.216
It's not just that we're wearing shoes.

01:26:10.276 --> 01:26:11.996
It's that we're walking on concrete.

01:26:12.176 --> 01:26:19.226
And we go from, you know, our house to
the car, and then we get into a car.

01:26:19.226 --> 01:26:20.286
And also the big thing

01:26:20.286 --> 01:26:20.287
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:26:20.286 --> 01:26:25.586
that most people don't even
tap into is non native EMFs.

01:26:25.876 --> 01:26:30.626
Rupert Isaacson: Indeed I, I, uh I,
I I, I know that you don't know much

01:26:30.636 --> 01:26:36.246
about the work we do, but the work
we do with the brain specifically

01:26:36.546 --> 01:26:41.316
with people with autism, trauma
psychosis, and so on, one of the first

01:26:41.326 --> 01:26:50.136
things we do is take off shoes and go
outside because it immediately has.

01:26:50.866 --> 01:26:51.676
A calming effect.

01:26:51.686 --> 01:26:54.536
And that's why everybody knows
when you go to the beach, you know,

01:26:54.556 --> 01:26:57.526
drinking hand toes in the sand,
that's why does that feel good?

01:26:57.536 --> 01:26:59.226
It's the toes in the
sand bit that feels good.

01:26:59.226 --> 01:27:01.866
Cause you can have a drink in a
bar with your toes in leather.

01:27:02.186 --> 01:27:03.926
It's actually not the drink
that's making you feel good.

01:27:03.926 --> 01:27:06.436
It's the toes in the sand and the.

01:27:07.761 --> 01:27:09.481
Tapping into the electromagnetic field.

01:27:09.481 --> 01:27:13.101
So like a camping trip whenever
you lie on the ground, everyone

01:27:13.101 --> 01:27:16.401
always comes back from a camping
trip feeling rejuvenated feeling.

01:27:17.121 --> 01:27:17.251
Yeah.

01:27:17.251 --> 01:27:18.731
It's always, it's always
the best thing you can do.

01:27:19.291 --> 01:27:22.961
And, you know, it's interesting that
billionaires don't really spend a lot of

01:27:22.961 --> 01:27:27.751
time going to ultra fancy luxury hotels.

01:27:28.161 --> 01:27:32.371
They're much more likely to invest
in safaris in Zambia, you know,

01:27:32.681 --> 01:27:34.481
where they're sleeping in tents.

01:27:34.721 --> 01:27:41.626
It's Very much a product, of
course, of the industrial age.

01:27:41.786 --> 01:27:45.676
But even before that, I think,
actually, even of the agricultural age.

01:27:45.956 --> 01:27:51.856
First, as we left our hunter gatherer
roots, where we're feeling great because

01:27:51.856 --> 01:27:58.496
we're living on the planet as we're
supposed to, agriculture comes in,

01:27:58.516 --> 01:28:02.116
and now we've got hard, repetitive,
back breaking, body breaking toil.

01:28:02.641 --> 01:28:05.491
Instead of the adventure
of hunting and gathering.

01:28:06.151 --> 01:28:09.421
And then of course, you know, you throw
a bit of slavery in there with it, and

01:28:09.421 --> 01:28:13.011
a bit of serfdom, and you're off to
the races for some good old suffering.

01:28:13.621 --> 01:28:17.851
But then of course what people had a great
desire to do, because then being tied to

01:28:17.851 --> 01:28:21.831
the land was a form of slavery, was to
get off the land, get away from the land.

01:28:21.831 --> 01:28:25.531
So when the Industrial Revolution
hit, there was a great desire.

01:28:26.121 --> 01:28:28.861
For people to leave their
sort of feudal settings and

01:28:28.861 --> 01:28:31.211
escape the tyranny of the laws.

01:28:31.261 --> 01:28:33.501
Of course, they replaced it with
the tyranny of factory owners.

01:28:33.911 --> 01:28:39.441
But as soon as that happened, and we're
now 200 years in 250 years in from this

01:28:39.441 --> 01:28:46.581
experiment So however many generations
that is of Not it not being possible

01:28:46.581 --> 01:28:50.771
to go and say lie under a tree Because
you've got to now go to work in a factory

01:28:51.191 --> 01:28:53.181
and you live in this house and you're
going to work in the factory You're

01:28:53.181 --> 01:28:54.281
going to go home sleep in the house.

01:28:54.441 --> 01:28:55.451
So since about 1840

01:28:57.936 --> 01:29:01.746
The chances for most people in the
West to actually go and sit under a

01:29:01.746 --> 01:29:06.796
tree every day went from reasonably

01:29:08.836 --> 01:29:10.316
often to zero.

01:29:11.046 --> 01:29:14.656
And then you've got generation
after generation and this rejection

01:29:14.656 --> 01:29:17.266
of nature's dangerous, it's scary,
we can't go outside, you can't go

01:29:17.266 --> 01:29:19.416
outside if it's raining, you can't go
outside if it's too hot, you can't go

01:29:19.416 --> 01:29:22.296
outside if it's too cold, you can't
go out if it's this, if it's that.

01:29:22.486 --> 01:29:24.696
So it's only if it's now beach holiday.

01:29:26.116 --> 01:29:29.176
Which you probably end up, unless you
live in Los Angeles, you know, people will

01:29:29.226 --> 01:29:35.836
save up once a year to get on a plane to
go for a week and have toes in the sand.

01:29:35.866 --> 01:29:39.496
And, and then when they, they,
the picture of retirement is,

01:29:39.846 --> 01:29:42.366
I'm going to retire to the beach.

01:29:42.386 --> 01:29:43.716
Why am I going to retire to the beach?

01:29:44.006 --> 01:29:47.006
Well, partly that's the,
that's the environment where

01:29:47.006 --> 01:29:48.886
homo sapiens sapiens evolved.

01:29:49.116 --> 01:29:51.896
Margin of land and water
in a warm climate, Africa.

01:29:52.166 --> 01:29:54.036
But, so we naturally feel at home there.

01:29:55.181 --> 01:29:58.811
Also, it's because that's where we
tap into the electromagnetic field,

01:29:59.181 --> 01:30:01.881
maybe once a year on vacation.

01:30:02.411 --> 01:30:02.412
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:30:02.411 --> 01:30:02.661
Yeah.

01:30:02.791 --> 01:30:03.111
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.

01:30:03.161 --> 01:30:03.361
Yeah.

01:30:03.511 --> 01:30:06.131
So it doesn't surprise me that one
might need to hook up to a machine.

01:30:06.131 --> 01:30:06.132
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:30:06.131 --> 01:30:08.091
Despite the

01:30:08.091 --> 01:30:10.061
Rupert Isaacson: fact that a lot of people
have backyards, but they don't like, they

01:30:10.061 --> 01:30:11.501
don't lie on the grass in their backyards.

01:30:11.531 --> 01:30:16.231
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01:31:09.660 --> 01:31:09.661
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:31:09.660 --> 01:31:14.270
The other, you know, the other huge
thing that's afflicting society men and

01:31:14.270 --> 01:31:18.610
women, but more so women after menopause.

01:31:19.720 --> 01:31:23.500
I don't know what the actual
percentage is, but it's pretty high.

01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:27.710
Most women at some point in their
life are going to be osteoporotic.

01:31:28.110 --> 01:31:29.920
They're going to lose their bone matrix.

01:31:29.920 --> 01:31:30.290
Okay.

01:31:30.820 --> 01:31:35.130
And they're going to be susceptible
to, you know, falls and broken hips

01:31:35.130 --> 01:31:37.480
and that will quickly lead to death.

01:31:37.950 --> 01:31:38.380
Okay.

01:31:38.490 --> 01:31:46.090
So what we've seen clinically with
the PMF is that women who are already

01:31:46.090 --> 01:31:51.170
osteoporotic and the only option they
are given is to take You know, western

01:31:51.170 --> 01:31:56.340
meds would actually which will make
their bones more dense, but more brittle

01:31:56.370 --> 01:32:03.140
and more likely to break So that is
not a great, you know remedy for that

01:32:03.140 --> 01:32:08.655
situation, but what we've seen is that
When women even just lay on the PMF once

01:32:08.655 --> 01:32:13.165
a week, their osteoporosis will reverse.

01:32:13.995 --> 01:32:18.295
We've seen patients that have
gone from osteoporosis to no

01:32:18.295 --> 01:32:20.805
osteoporosis in like a year.

01:32:20.805 --> 01:32:25.685
It's not something that happens overnight,
but you know, we had one lady who, who

01:32:25.685 --> 01:32:31.795
in one year went from osteoporosis to no
osteoporosis doing the PMF one day a week.

01:32:32.880 --> 01:32:40.090
So that's a huge, huge like, factor
in, like, sustaining the health

01:32:40.130 --> 01:32:43.040
of the population, I would say.

01:32:43.370 --> 01:32:43.950
It's huge.

01:32:44.410 --> 01:32:47.390
Rupert Isaacson: So, with all of these,
these treatments, there are now you know,

01:32:47.450 --> 01:32:50.910
many devices out there for doing this.

01:32:50.980 --> 01:32:52.320
I've got some in my house.

01:32:52.620 --> 01:32:55.240
People talk about different
ones and of course everyone

01:32:55.240 --> 01:32:56.550
swears by the one they've got.

01:32:56.710 --> 01:32:59.700
So, I use something called the Beemer.

01:33:00.120 --> 01:33:01.820
B E E M E E R blanket.

01:33:02.560 --> 01:33:04.620
Are you familiar with
that one from Switzerland?

01:33:05.090 --> 01:33:07.280
And we actually got that
initially for our horses.

01:33:07.600 --> 01:33:12.900
To Improved circulation, microcapillary
circulation, which basically chilled

01:33:12.900 --> 01:33:17.690
them out and made them more rideable
as well as well being and healing.

01:33:17.900 --> 01:33:22.320
But then, when we discovered there was
a human one, we started sleeping on

01:33:22.320 --> 01:33:25.440
that and, oh wow things like jet lag.

01:33:26.570 --> 01:33:28.240
started going away and that sort of thing.

01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:32.080
And you know, obviously that's a,
you know, a form of biofeedback.

01:33:32.590 --> 01:33:36.040
And then I also have something, an
old Russian device called a scanner.

01:33:36.570 --> 01:33:37.120
I

01:33:37.620 --> 01:33:37.621
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:33:37.620 --> 01:33:39.040
love the scanner.

01:33:39.350 --> 01:33:40.880
That's one of my go to thing.

01:33:40.920 --> 01:33:43.390
I travel, whenever I
travel, I have a scanner.

01:33:44.100 --> 01:33:45.560
Rupert Isaacson: So for those of
you who don't know what it is,

01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:46.570
it's a little handheld device.

01:33:46.740 --> 01:33:49.400
You put a batteries in it
or double A batteries in it.

01:33:49.825 --> 01:33:54.335
and it, you put it around your body on
anywhere that you've got that you think

01:33:54.335 --> 01:34:00.065
might be a bit hurty and it kind of locks
on in this weird way and then it goes and

01:34:00.065 --> 01:34:03.665
then it goes beep when it's done and then
you have to move it on to another spot.

01:34:04.075 --> 01:34:09.445
When I smashed up my left leg In
six places, I use many things, but

01:34:09.445 --> 01:34:14.535
one of the things, you know, I, I,
I a scan on the shit out of it and

01:34:14.535 --> 01:34:17.455
went through like so many batteries
cause it would use up all the juice.

01:34:17.465 --> 01:34:20.495
Cause it would, it's supposed to
do it for like 30, 40 seconds.

01:34:20.495 --> 01:34:23.905
And on this big break, it was
like giving me 20 minute doses.

01:34:24.395 --> 01:34:24.396
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:34:24.395 --> 01:34:25.031
I was

01:34:25.031 --> 01:34:26.757
Rupert Isaacson: afraid I was
going to break the machine.

01:34:26.757 --> 01:34:31.665
So I, I've been using things for a while,
but I know that you are a fan of a couple.

01:34:32.725 --> 01:34:35.565
This taught me about the Sigma instrument.

01:34:36.385 --> 01:34:36.386
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:34:36.385 --> 01:34:36.865
Well, that's it.

01:34:37.005 --> 01:34:37.295
Okay.

01:34:37.295 --> 01:34:41.125
So what I use to analyze the spine.

01:34:41.595 --> 01:34:43.775
Rupert Isaacson: So that's a
chiropractic sort of machine

01:34:44.825 --> 01:34:44.826
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:34:44.825 --> 01:34:45.415
tool.

01:34:45.805 --> 01:34:49.775
And the interesting history on that
is it was originally developed.

01:34:50.480 --> 01:34:57.010
as a piezoelectric sensor to test the
the the hull of the space shuttle the the

01:34:57.020 --> 01:35:02.590
tiles that they put on the space shuttle
they use that sensor to check for the hull

01:35:02.590 --> 01:35:07.750
integrity okay and then what happened was
I guess I don't know who whose idea it

01:35:07.750 --> 01:35:12.925
was but They figured out, oh, we can use
this to test the integrity of the spine

01:35:13.855 --> 01:35:14.815
Oh, that does make sense.

01:35:14.815 --> 01:35:18.955
So it got repurposed into
a spinal analyzing machine.

01:35:19.015 --> 01:35:20.845
Rupert Isaacson: Well, that, that
does make sense to me because

01:35:20.845 --> 01:35:22.645
the concept of tensity Right.

01:35:22.645 --> 01:35:26.145
You know, the, the tension
and integrity of a building.

01:35:26.565 --> 01:35:26.685
Yeah.

01:35:26.735 --> 01:35:31.695
And then bio tensity, all of our tendons
and ligaments that support Exactly.

01:35:31.695 --> 01:35:32.055
So this

01:35:34.065 --> 01:35:34.066
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:35:34.065 --> 01:35:36.735
teeg of each segment of the spine.

01:35:37.185 --> 01:35:42.045
And it also adjusts the
segment with a vibration.

01:35:42.475 --> 01:35:43.945
So it does the adjustment.

01:35:44.375 --> 01:35:49.062
Yeah, so instead of cracking a bone, what
it does is it vibrates the joint, instead

01:35:49.062 --> 01:35:51.835
of using force, it's using frequency.

01:35:52.675 --> 01:35:56.045
So, you know, just through the
principle of physics, if you're

01:35:56.045 --> 01:36:01.035
using a frequency, you can get
actually even a better adjustment.

01:36:01.430 --> 01:36:06.250
That is a deeper adjustment than actually
cracking a bone because when you love

01:36:06.270 --> 01:36:09.960
Rupert Isaacson: the cracking of the bone,
if I came in on it, Oh, I want my crack.

01:36:09.990 --> 01:36:10.650
I want my crack.

01:36:12.640 --> 01:36:12.641
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:36:12.640 --> 01:36:13.280
Crack a bone.

01:36:13.280 --> 01:36:13.720
What happens?

01:36:13.750 --> 01:36:17.290
The body will resist it because
it's happening too slow.

01:36:17.620 --> 01:36:21.190
When you increase the
speed of the adjustment.

01:36:21.940 --> 01:36:27.240
It goes below the body's reaction,
and you can get a better adjustment.

01:36:27.540 --> 01:36:28.590
So I use both.

01:36:28.590 --> 01:36:31.780
I start my adjustments out
with a sigma instrument.

01:36:32.150 --> 01:36:35.370
If I don't see that vertebra
move, which I can tell right away

01:36:35.370 --> 01:36:39.080
because of the feedback it gives
me, I will do a manual adjustment.

01:36:40.960 --> 01:36:42.590
Rupert Isaacson: So I still
might get my crack, that's good.

01:36:42.870 --> 01:36:43.090
Yeah.

01:36:43.260 --> 01:36:43.920
Because I like them.

01:36:44.620 --> 01:36:47.040
And then so, stem wave.

01:36:47.435 --> 01:36:50.835
Tissue joint regeneration
regenerative therapy.

01:36:51.515 --> 01:36:54.165
This is another one I've
heard of and that's huge.

01:36:54.605 --> 01:36:55.565
That's a German company.

01:36:55.565 --> 01:36:55.935
Is it not?

01:36:55.945 --> 01:36:56.635
It's a German,

01:36:56.645 --> 01:36:56.646
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:36:56.645 --> 01:37:00.015
well it's a German design technology.

01:37:00.865 --> 01:37:06.355
The original technology came from
Germany in the 1980s, and it was

01:37:06.545 --> 01:37:09.685
originally called lithotripsy.

01:37:09.685 --> 01:37:13.495
It's what they use in hospitals
to crush kidney stones.

01:37:13.755 --> 01:37:14.785
Ah, okay.

01:37:15.215 --> 01:37:16.535
So that, that's the original.

01:37:16.565 --> 01:37:21.195
What they found out was, is that those
same shock waves, they do sound waves,

01:37:21.245 --> 01:37:24.155
very powerful sound waves through water.

01:37:24.735 --> 01:37:27.515
to target the kidneys when
they had kidney stones.

01:37:27.555 --> 01:37:29.525
They still use them today in a hospital.

01:37:30.085 --> 01:37:34.095
And, but they found out that those
same kind of shock waves would

01:37:34.095 --> 01:37:36.375
stimulate the repair of a joint.

01:37:37.405 --> 01:37:43.115
And so then the machines then got
created at that point that had these

01:37:43.175 --> 01:37:48.865
treatment heads so that you could focus
the sound waves directly into the joint.

01:37:49.585 --> 01:37:53.725
And so the stem wave is one
of the top tier machines.

01:37:53.725 --> 01:37:57.065
There's a lot of different
shockwave devices on the market.

01:37:57.605 --> 01:38:00.735
But the, the, they're called
electro hydraulic shockwave.

01:38:00.785 --> 01:38:04.595
Those are the original
lithotripsy type machines.

01:38:05.250 --> 01:38:08.260
And there's really only a couple of
companies in the world that make them.

01:38:08.440 --> 01:38:12.920
So, and they're both German
design, basically Germany is the,

01:38:12.980 --> 01:38:15.500
Rupert Isaacson: but it's, it's
coming down once again to vibration.

01:38:16.040 --> 01:38:19.150
It's using the sound is vibration, but

01:38:19.470 --> 01:38:19.471
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:38:19.470 --> 01:38:21.750
the key here is the focus.

01:38:22.260 --> 01:38:24.230
And the intensity and the wave form.

01:38:24.230 --> 01:38:29.060
So a true shock wave will have a
huge wave form that goes straight up

01:38:29.120 --> 01:38:33.910
and then down, and then it creates a
negative vacuum effect into the tissue.

01:38:33.910 --> 01:38:35.890
So it's like a shock wave.

01:38:35.950 --> 01:38:40.930
So it's bam into the tissue and negative
it's a positive and then a negative.

01:38:41.260 --> 01:38:46.880
And that negative is where the bottom
of the shock wave is where the cell

01:38:46.880 --> 01:38:49.360
gets the active, gets the signal.

01:38:49.730 --> 01:38:50.560
to repair.

01:38:50.960 --> 01:38:51.380
Interesting.

01:38:51.380 --> 01:38:56.610
It gets the signal to activate
the body's self repair mechanism,

01:38:56.610 --> 01:38:59.460
activating the, the stem cells.

01:38:59.880 --> 01:39:02.920
So that, that's the, and that's
the reason the machine is called

01:39:02.920 --> 01:39:09.250
StemWave because it's actually
initiating the, the signaling to do

01:39:09.250 --> 01:39:14.170
enhanced and greatly accelerate the
healing process within the joint.

01:39:14.310 --> 01:39:14.710
Rupert Isaacson: Then

01:39:16.790 --> 01:39:20.590
there's another device which
again, I've heard of, CyberScan.

01:39:21.115 --> 01:39:24.765
Cyber scan, biofeedback analysis,
which obviously like a scanner

01:39:24.765 --> 01:39:27.835
that we talked about or the Beamer,
those are biofeedback as well.

01:39:28.185 --> 01:39:31.425
How would something like this, what, how
does the cyber scan differ from those?

01:39:31.425 --> 01:39:32.565
And what's.

01:39:33.535 --> 01:39:33.536
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:39:33.535 --> 01:39:36.125
Well, okay, the CyberScan is
really the thing that you're going

01:39:36.125 --> 01:39:37.465
to love while we talk about it.

01:39:37.465 --> 01:39:39.745
But anyway, CyberScan comes from Germany.

01:39:40.235 --> 01:39:44.745
And actually, I went to Germany
to be trained over a decade ago.

01:39:45.065 --> 01:39:46.825
Right near Frankfurt, by the way.

01:39:47.905 --> 01:39:54.235
And basically, the way the CyberScan
operates is through scalar waves.

01:39:54.695 --> 01:39:55.820
Rupert Isaacson: What's a scalar wave?

01:39:56.190 --> 01:39:56.191
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:39:56.190 --> 01:39:57.320
That's a great question.

01:39:57.320 --> 01:40:01.160
A scalar wave is a non EMF wave.

01:40:01.850 --> 01:40:06.430
So all these other things we've been
talking about have electromagnetic

01:40:07.260 --> 01:40:11.770
frequency, vibration, energy that you
can measure with a, you know, a meter.

01:40:12.010 --> 01:40:12.400
Okay?

01:40:13.250 --> 01:40:17.250
The difference with a scalar
wave is you can't measure it.

01:40:17.430 --> 01:40:19.030
You cannot, there is no, well.

01:40:19.370 --> 01:40:20.270
Rupert Isaacson: How
do you know it's there?

01:40:21.020 --> 01:40:21.021
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:40:21.020 --> 01:40:22.220
Well, that's, okay.

01:40:22.930 --> 01:40:24.930
That's, that's a great question.

01:40:25.905 --> 01:40:28.325
This is very advanced physics.

01:40:28.425 --> 01:40:33.325
Okay, there's very few people in the
world even know about this type of

01:40:33.325 --> 01:40:43.275
stuff, but essentially it is there,
but it's very subtle and it has, it

01:40:43.285 --> 01:40:48.465
has like this, the cyber scan has
built into it the ability to use

01:40:48.485 --> 01:40:51.715
the scalar wave as a measuring tool.

01:40:51.735 --> 01:40:52.525
And that now.

01:40:53.800 --> 01:40:58.620
What I'm talking about right now
is a proprietary invention, okay?

01:40:59.010 --> 01:41:01.840
I cannot tell you because I
actually don't know myself.

01:41:01.880 --> 01:41:06.690
I use it as a practitioner, but
I can tell you this, is that the

01:41:06.690 --> 01:41:13.430
readings that the CyberScan gives
are extraordinarily revealing.

01:41:13.920 --> 01:41:19.715
And in the sense that I can scan someone,
know zero medical history on that person

01:41:20.135 --> 01:41:24.655
and I could probably in 90 plus percent
of the people tell them what their main

01:41:24.655 --> 01:41:29.225
issue is that they've had their entire
life or something that's happened to

01:41:29.225 --> 01:41:35.685
them that was very traumatic or caused a
lot of disruption in their energy field.

01:41:36.895 --> 01:41:40.850
You know, it's hard to explain this
because it's not something that we I

01:41:41.220 --> 01:41:46.480
even relate to it in holistic medicine,
let alone like traditional medicine.

01:41:46.480 --> 01:41:56.380
It's it's using very advanced technology
that I think it needs further research.

01:41:56.840 --> 01:41:58.020
I've seen it work.

01:41:58.280 --> 01:42:02.250
The reason I even got into the cyber scan
is because it worked with me and with my

01:42:02.250 --> 01:42:08.200
wife, you know, because the cyber scan
also makes remedies that are imprinted.

01:42:08.370 --> 01:42:12.630
I'll show you one of the cards,
but you can imprint the remedies.

01:42:13.380 --> 01:42:18.400
On to a magnetic strip that
are gained from the biofeedback

01:42:18.430 --> 01:42:21.160
and, you know, basically

01:42:21.870 --> 01:42:22.840
Rupert Isaacson: like homeopathy.

01:42:23.450 --> 01:42:23.451
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:42:23.450 --> 01:42:24.060
Exactly.

01:42:24.330 --> 01:42:24.640
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.

01:42:24.640 --> 01:42:26.270
So it's basically a homeopathy machine.

01:42:27.080 --> 01:42:27.081
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:42:27.080 --> 01:42:29.660
It is, but not in the traditional sense.

01:42:29.790 --> 01:42:30.300
Okay.

01:42:30.390 --> 01:42:30.940
Rupert Isaacson: Okay.

01:42:31.180 --> 01:42:31.181
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:42:31.180 --> 01:42:35.260
Instead of using substances,
because homeopathy uses substances

01:42:35.290 --> 01:42:38.750
that are deluded to the point that
they don't exist in the fluid.

01:42:39.005 --> 01:42:45.895
The CyberScan is directly testing
the energetics of the person's body

01:42:46.275 --> 01:42:49.105
through the scan from the scalar wave.

01:42:49.765 --> 01:42:54.335
Now the reason they actually developed
the CyberScan is because of Germany,

01:42:54.905 --> 01:42:58.705
they were using these Bhole devices.

01:42:58.705 --> 01:43:01.865
I don't know if you're familiar
with Bhole, where they would do

01:43:01.865 --> 01:43:06.095
testing, electromagnetic testing of
the meridian points on the finger.

01:43:06.595 --> 01:43:10.605
That's a testing device that
was developed in the, I think,

01:43:10.605 --> 01:43:13.525
in the 50s and 60s in Germany.

01:43:14.125 --> 01:43:18.245
And they used those for decades, but
what, what, and they would use those to

01:43:18.275 --> 01:43:23.275
test different substances, homeopathy,
as well as herbal remedies, and they'd

01:43:23.285 --> 01:43:25.065
use that as a testing device, right?

01:43:25.185 --> 01:43:25.645
Rupert Isaacson: Right.

01:43:26.115 --> 01:43:29.195
And I've seen those at work and I've,
I've seen them get good, good results.

01:43:29.295 --> 01:43:29.296
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:43:29.295 --> 01:43:29.495
Yeah.

01:43:29.495 --> 01:43:31.825
So those are fantastic tools.

01:43:32.480 --> 01:43:36.460
There were a couple of things that
were downsides with that technology.

01:43:36.470 --> 01:43:41.020
One being practitioner Dependent error.

01:43:41.030 --> 01:43:45.770
So depending on how the petitioner
would use it, it could vary the results.

01:43:46.400 --> 01:43:47.550
That was one factor.

01:43:47.560 --> 01:43:52.500
The other factor is that you're
using electromagnetic energy,

01:43:52.930 --> 01:43:55.200
which will affect the meridian.

01:43:55.320 --> 01:43:59.320
Okay, because you're introducing
an outside energy source.

01:43:59.320 --> 01:44:02.650
So now the body is not being
tested in the most neutral

01:44:03.020 --> 01:44:04.830
format that you could test it in.

01:44:05.300 --> 01:44:10.400
So what they theorize is if you
could test the body With a non EMF

01:44:10.430 --> 01:44:15.030
wave, meaning a scalar wave, you
can get a much more accurate and

01:44:15.040 --> 01:44:18.130
detailed reading of that person.

01:44:19.140 --> 01:44:21.780
And so that's how they
developed this system.

01:44:22.300 --> 01:44:22.690
Yeah.

01:44:22.880 --> 01:44:23.210
So.

01:44:23.590 --> 01:44:24.280
Rupert Isaacson: Interesting.

01:44:24.280 --> 01:44:27.700
So I'm, I'm, I'm now looking
at scale, scalar waves.

01:44:28.090 --> 01:44:28.091
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:44:28.090 --> 01:44:29.350
Yeah, yeah.

01:44:29.970 --> 01:44:31.550
Rupert Isaacson: And I've got some
really interesting things here.

01:44:31.580 --> 01:44:37.450
Unlike conventional electromagnetic
waves, scalar waves are believed to be

01:44:37.450 --> 01:44:42.140
non Hertzian, meaning they do not travel
through space and time in the same way

01:44:42.560 --> 01:44:44.700
as traditional electromagnetic waves.

01:44:45.460 --> 01:44:48.460
Scalar waves are often described
as standing waves, meaning they

01:44:48.460 --> 01:44:53.080
do not move through space, but
exist as stationary patterns.

01:44:53.940 --> 01:44:54.710
in space.

01:44:55.060 --> 01:44:56.720
And then, I go a bit deeper.

01:44:56.720 --> 01:45:02.180
Scalar waves, in other words, describe
the flow and movement of energy in space.

01:45:02.660 --> 01:45:07.070
Scalar waves, also known as longitudinal
waves, were theorized by James

01:45:07.110 --> 01:45:12.090
Maxwell and proven by Nikola Tesla,
earning them the name Tesla waves.

01:45:12.730 --> 01:45:14.810
So it seems that they're
the same as the Tesla waves.

01:45:15.350 --> 01:45:16.470
And then this is interesting.

01:45:17.050 --> 01:45:21.760
Scalar waves are superluminal, which means
that they move faster than the speed of

01:45:21.760 --> 01:45:26.000
light because they're unbounded by the
limitations of three dimensional space.

01:45:26.470 --> 01:45:29.230
Also, since they don't exist in
the third dimension in the way that

01:45:29.230 --> 01:45:33.170
matter does, they move through the
empty spaces between all matter.

01:45:33.170 --> 01:45:34.718
Ha

01:45:34.718 --> 01:45:34.719
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:45:34.718 --> 01:45:36.265
ha!

01:45:37.045 --> 01:45:43.795
You know, I'm still just
blown away by right.

01:45:43.795 --> 01:45:43.845
And

01:45:43.845 --> 01:45:47.465
Rupert Isaacson: I guess it's because
of this that Nikola Tesla discovered

01:45:47.465 --> 01:45:52.095
that with these waves that you can do
the you can generate any electricity

01:45:52.225 --> 01:45:57.725
or energy without losing energy without
entropy, because it's not traveling

01:45:57.745 --> 01:46:03.285
through three dimensional time and
space, therefore encountering resistance.

01:46:03.705 --> 01:46:05.315
So it doesn't lose its power.

01:46:05.845 --> 01:46:05.925
You

01:46:05.925 --> 01:46:05.926
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:46:05.925 --> 01:46:11.755
know, so they somehow figured out
how to use these waves to measure the

01:46:11.755 --> 01:46:15.565
body that that that part, the part
that's still to me to this day, I

01:46:15.565 --> 01:46:17.825
don't understand how it does it right.

01:46:17.825 --> 01:46:18.305
Because Nikola

01:46:18.305 --> 01:46:21.785
Rupert Isaacson: Tesla wanted to use
it to give wireless energy transmission

01:46:22.005 --> 01:46:24.985
and he was, he was poised to do that.

01:46:25.455 --> 01:46:30.185
And, you know, his backer was JP
Morgan Chase Bank, who then pulled out.

01:46:30.890 --> 01:46:31.470
And wouldn't

01:46:31.560 --> 01:46:31.561
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:46:31.560 --> 01:46:34.250
well when he found out he wanted
to give it away for free because it

01:46:34.250 --> 01:46:36.030
Rupert Isaacson: couldn't he
couldn't make any money off it so

01:46:36.110 --> 01:46:38.280
he went with oil and gas instead.

01:46:40.250 --> 01:46:40.251
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:46:40.250 --> 01:46:46.030
So, anyway, they somehow figured out how
to make a medical use out of this thing.

01:46:46.030 --> 01:46:50.160
I really think it should be in
every hospital in the world just

01:46:50.160 --> 01:46:56.350
because what I've seen with it,
it'll pick up things that it's almost

01:46:56.350 --> 01:47:01.380
impossible for any other way of
testing the body can even including.

01:47:01.755 --> 01:47:05.475
You know, every kind of
functional test you can imagine.

01:47:06.525 --> 01:47:08.325
The CyberScan will pick things up.

01:47:08.935 --> 01:47:09.675
It just does.

01:47:09.745 --> 01:47:15.445
I don't I, to this day, am
flabbergasted at how it can do that.

01:47:15.895 --> 01:47:21.065
But I've tested people that are
very up there in the genetic realm.

01:47:21.075 --> 01:47:23.175
They do genetic testing and everything.

01:47:23.545 --> 01:47:25.015
And I've tested those people.

01:47:25.495 --> 01:47:29.595
And I tell them the results and they're
literally like, dude, you just told me

01:47:29.645 --> 01:47:34.835
everything that I know that's going on
with me that it took me a month to get

01:47:34.835 --> 01:47:37.705
the results from my genetic testing.

01:47:39.505 --> 01:47:41.915
We're talking about the top
people in the world that do this.

01:47:42.925 --> 01:47:43.385
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, it's,

01:47:43.385 --> 01:47:43.386
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:47:43.385 --> 01:47:46.305
it's,

01:47:47.465 --> 01:47:50.455
Rupert Isaacson: so, there's there've
been studies, it seems, showing that

01:47:50.455 --> 01:47:57.265
scalar waves may play a role in promoting
cellular repair, enhancing DNA function

01:47:57.935 --> 01:47:59.605
and supporting the body's natural healing.

01:48:00.755 --> 01:48:01.715
Very interesting.

01:48:01.765 --> 01:48:01.766
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:48:01.765 --> 01:48:04.025
Yeah, it's extremely fascinating stuff.

01:48:04.145 --> 01:48:06.885
I, I'm, I, I'm blown away by it.

01:48:07.375 --> 01:48:10.665
Rupert Isaacson: You know, it makes
the fact that it's a Tesla wave,

01:48:10.695 --> 01:48:11.755
it's so interesting, isn't it?

01:48:11.755 --> 01:48:13.055
Because what was it Tesla said?

01:48:13.055 --> 01:48:16.395
If you want to understand the secrets of
the universe, think in terms of energy,

01:48:16.395 --> 01:48:21.695
frequency, and vibration, frequency, and
vibration, and all these methodologies

01:48:21.725 --> 01:48:26.785
you're talking about come down to
various forms of frequency and vibration.

01:48:26.975 --> 01:48:26.976
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:48:26.975 --> 01:48:28.165
It's all about frequency.

01:48:28.255 --> 01:48:28.505
Even

01:48:28.505 --> 01:48:30.445
Rupert Isaacson: if it's not
necessarily electromagnetic, some

01:48:30.445 --> 01:48:31.485
of them are, some of them aren't.

01:48:33.435 --> 01:48:35.895
And yes, we need the electromagnetic
ones, but it seems there are

01:48:35.895 --> 01:48:37.125
other ones we need as well.

01:48:37.705 --> 01:48:39.105
Isn't it fascinating to be?

01:48:39.845 --> 01:48:46.485
alive on the planet at a time
when this stuff is suddenly

01:48:47.585 --> 01:48:49.025
emerging into the mainstream.

01:48:49.035 --> 01:48:53.295
Because I mean, I've been using say
a scanner for over 20 years, you

01:48:53.295 --> 01:48:57.135
know, and the beamer for at least 10.

01:48:57.765 --> 01:49:02.555
But I would say that when someone first
showed me a scanner I totally poo pooed

01:49:02.555 --> 01:49:10.085
it and despite the fact that I spent
lots of time observing shamanic healings

01:49:10.105 --> 01:49:11.505
in the Kalahari and that sort of thing.

01:49:11.865 --> 01:49:13.815
But of course that's different
because that's ancient culture.

01:49:13.815 --> 01:49:16.465
And so, you know, and anyway, it's
happening in front of your eyes.

01:49:16.475 --> 01:49:20.625
So you, you see it happen, you know, you
can't deny that person gets up and walks

01:49:20.625 --> 01:49:22.405
away who couldn't before or whatever.

01:49:22.865 --> 01:49:24.965
But I went to Honduras.

01:49:25.205 --> 01:49:29.045
On an assignment, a journalistic
assignment, and I got bitten by a spider.

01:49:30.065 --> 01:49:33.665
And, it was probably a brown recluse.

01:49:34.065 --> 01:49:35.515
But my face swelled up.

01:49:36.025 --> 01:49:39.945
And, the lump just kind
of wouldn't go away.

01:49:40.335 --> 01:49:45.290
Just kind of was this Lump on the
side of my face from the spider

01:49:45.290 --> 01:49:48.140
and it, you know, I kind of
thought, I've been in Africa a lot.

01:49:48.140 --> 01:49:49.520
I've been in, yeah, it'll go away.

01:49:49.520 --> 01:49:52.060
It'll go away, you know,
and it was not going away.

01:49:52.480 --> 01:49:54.240
And finally my friend had the S scan.

01:49:54.240 --> 01:49:56.220
I said, why don't you let
me try the S scanner on it?

01:49:56.250 --> 01:49:57.480
I'm like, well, okay, fine.

01:49:59.040 --> 01:49:59.970
Two days it was gone.

01:50:00.980 --> 01:50:00.981
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:50:00.980 --> 01:50:02.810
It was this your first time being spoken?

01:50:02.810 --> 01:50:03.170
Yeah.

01:50:03.175 --> 01:50:03.215
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.

01:50:03.215 --> 01:50:03.855
And I was like, all.

01:50:04.275 --> 01:50:05.515
Maybe there's something in this,

01:50:06.865 --> 01:50:06.866
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:50:06.865 --> 01:50:13.275
I met the, you know, the Russian doctor
who brought the scanner to this country,

01:50:13.325 --> 01:50:14.855
but it was like about 20 years ago.

01:50:14.925 --> 01:50:15.565
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah, it was,

01:50:15.565 --> 01:50:15.566
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:50:15.565 --> 01:50:17.185
they were

01:50:17.195 --> 01:50:20.865
Rupert Isaacson: using it, you know,
behind the iron curtain to enhance

01:50:20.865 --> 01:50:24.065
athletic performance and that heal
their athletes and that sort of thing.

01:50:24.265 --> 01:50:24.585
But she

01:50:24.585 --> 01:50:24.586
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:50:24.585 --> 01:50:28.735
came here, like I was, I was among
the group of the first physicians

01:50:29.215 --> 01:50:31.595
that got training in the scanner.

01:50:31.645 --> 01:50:33.535
Like it was probably 25 years ago.

01:50:33.895 --> 01:50:35.445
Rupert Isaacson: Yes, I think I think so.

01:50:35.915 --> 01:50:41.545
Yeah, and I think I was I must have been
yeah, you know, that's it was about that

01:50:41.545 --> 01:50:46.980
I think I was I think I was first exposed
to it in about 2000 and One or two.

01:50:47.160 --> 01:50:50.840
Yeah, I always forget that
that was 25 years ago.

01:50:50.840 --> 01:50:53.040
I think it was well, you
know that now there's

01:50:54.010 --> 01:50:54.011
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:50:54.010 --> 01:50:57.380
I don't know if you're aware of it,
but they have scanner units now.

01:50:57.380 --> 01:51:03.160
They're called Dinos It's it it's a
different company, but it's by the

01:51:03.270 --> 01:51:07.680
the original inventor of scanner
He created another company called

01:51:07.720 --> 01:51:14.470
Dinos And those units are consumer
friendly, and they're only, you know,

01:51:14.470 --> 01:51:18.340
you can buy them in this country for
like 350, they're very cheap now.

01:51:18.520 --> 01:51:20.650
Rupert Isaacson: Oh right, because
the scanner is expensive, right, yeah.

01:51:20.650 --> 01:51:21.140
Yeah, the

01:51:21.140 --> 01:51:21.141
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:51:21.140 --> 01:51:23.600
original scanners are
thousands of dollars.

01:51:23.930 --> 01:51:27.350
Rupert Isaacson: And even the
handheld device is like 850, yeah.

01:51:27.580 --> 01:51:27.581
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:51:27.580 --> 01:51:32.130
Yeah, but now the D NOS units
are as little as 300, 350.

01:51:34.130 --> 01:51:35.520
They're very easy to get.

01:51:40.690 --> 01:51:42.840
Rupert Isaacson: I'm
just Looking them up now.

01:51:45.800 --> 01:51:46.340
Okay.

01:51:47.830 --> 01:51:53.170
So, if people were wanting to learn more
about this, I mean, obviously you're

01:51:53.170 --> 01:51:58.090
sitting in Los Angeles, and if people
want to go to your clinic, they can.

01:51:58.490 --> 01:52:02.500
And we'll certainly, you know, have
you, people, how they can do that.

01:52:02.500 --> 01:52:05.730
But, the vast majority of our
listeners are not in Los Angeles.

01:52:05.730 --> 01:52:06.600
They're all over the place.

01:52:06.920 --> 01:52:10.980
So, if they were wanting to get
some advice on some of these things.

01:52:11.710 --> 01:52:13.330
And orient themselves.

01:52:13.390 --> 01:52:16.330
I'm sure some people have been taking
notes through this podcast and other

01:52:16.330 --> 01:52:18.580
people will do what I do when there's
interesting stuff on podcasts, go

01:52:18.580 --> 01:52:21.520
back and re-listen to it and write
that bit down that you forgot.

01:52:22.070 --> 01:52:24.650
But can they contact you and
can you help orient them?

01:52:25.375 --> 01:52:25.675
Oh yeah.

01:52:25.675 --> 01:52:28.075
We website, they can find something
in their hood where they're,

01:52:28.225 --> 01:52:28.226
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:52:28.225 --> 01:52:28.515
yeah.

01:52:28.895 --> 01:52:33.485
Our websites THU heal, T-H-U-H-E l.com.

01:52:34.125 --> 01:52:36.005
Rupert Isaacson: PHU.

01:52:36.875 --> 01:52:39.305
Heal, HEA l.com.

01:52:39.305 --> 01:52:39.306
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:52:39.305 --> 01:52:41.645
Transformational Healing universe.com.

01:52:41.735 --> 01:52:42.155
Rupert Isaacson: T.

01:52:42.395 --> 01:52:43.200
T, not P, yeah.

01:52:43.360 --> 01:52:43.361
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:52:43.360 --> 01:52:43.440
T.

01:52:43.640 --> 01:52:44.195
T, yeah.

01:52:44.485 --> 01:52:47.125
T-H-U-H-E-A-L-T-A

01:52:47.125 --> 01:52:47.665
Rupert Isaacson: drink.

01:52:50.485 --> 01:52:50.905
T.

01:52:51.825 --> 01:52:52.125
What's it?

01:52:52.125 --> 01:52:52.965
Dore Me.

01:52:54.005 --> 01:52:55.255
A drink with jam and bread.

01:52:55.465 --> 01:52:55.665
So

01:52:57.675 --> 01:52:58.295
THU

01:52:58.295 --> 01:52:58.296
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:52:58.295 --> 01:53:02.785
and then U and then the
word HEAL and then dot com.

01:53:02.875 --> 01:53:05.225
Yeah, and we have a
Instagram that's the same.

01:53:05.235 --> 01:53:09.075
It's just THU HEAL on Instagram.

01:53:09.475 --> 01:53:09.755
And

01:53:09.755 --> 01:53:11.315
Rupert Isaacson: do you Could
you consult with people?

01:53:11.315 --> 01:53:16.605
Do you give people advice who are, you
know, in Rotherham, Northern England or

01:53:17.535 --> 01:53:17.536
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:53:17.535 --> 01:53:17.875
Queen's?

01:53:17.875 --> 01:53:19.983
I have patients that come
from all over the world.

01:53:19.983 --> 01:53:23.485
I have a guy here right now
that we've been treating for a

01:53:23.555 --> 01:53:25.955
whole, he's here for 40 days.

01:53:25.955 --> 01:53:32.045
He, he ended up with a glioblastoma
in his brain from Canada, actually.

01:53:32.445 --> 01:53:34.615
And he's been here for an entire month.

01:53:35.190 --> 01:53:39.490
Treating eight hours a day, you know,
with cases like that, we'll treat the

01:53:39.490 --> 01:53:41.590
patient literally eight hours a day,

01:53:41.990 --> 01:53:44.930
Rupert Isaacson: but for people who
can't get to you but need advice about

01:53:44.930 --> 01:53:49.860
where they could look for certain types
of device and technology in there.

01:53:50.025 --> 01:53:50.045
Yeah.

01:53:50.405 --> 01:53:51.235
In their area.

01:53:51.405 --> 01:53:53.455
Can you help orient them a bit?

01:53:53.875 --> 01:53:53.876
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:53:53.875 --> 01:53:54.205
Sure.

01:53:54.315 --> 01:53:54.505
Yeah.

01:53:54.505 --> 01:53:57.895
They can contact us through either
the website or the Instagram.

01:53:58.165 --> 01:53:58.685
Super.

01:53:59.275 --> 01:53:59.595
Yeah.

01:54:00.275 --> 01:54:00.975
Rupert Isaacson: That's great.

01:54:01.205 --> 01:54:07.585
And then you're also, of course,
using yoga in your practice.

01:54:08.405 --> 01:54:11.705
Would you say everybody should
have kind of a yoga practice?

01:54:13.165 --> 01:54:13.166
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:54:13.165 --> 01:54:14.885
Yeah, definitely.

01:54:15.705 --> 01:54:20.965
Rupert Isaacson: Can I, can I, can I do
my little devil's advocate qualifier that

01:54:20.995 --> 01:54:25.455
I, it's always been in the back of my
mind about yoga, which is that I used to

01:54:25.455 --> 01:54:27.925
have a very good yoga practice years ago.

01:54:28.475 --> 01:54:33.275
And then I could totally let it
slide because I became a parent and

01:54:33.325 --> 01:54:37.025
also I'm so active with horses and
there's no question I felt great.

01:54:38.280 --> 01:54:44.540
However, you know, and I know that
yoga was something in ancient India

01:54:44.570 --> 01:54:47.910
and modern India for the wealthy
classes who can, who have the

01:54:47.910 --> 01:54:51.120
leisure to sit around and needing.

01:54:51.635 --> 01:54:55.065
To move their bodies with yoga and that
the blokes that you see out there breaking

01:54:55.065 --> 01:54:58.655
stones on the road and carrying stuff
around on their heads through the traffic

01:54:58.655 --> 01:55:01.865
and Bob, they're not doing yoga because
they got no time to do yoga, you know?

01:55:02.165 --> 01:55:02.166
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:55:02.165 --> 01:55:08.275
Let me just say that the reason I do
kundalini yoga, I don't know, most

01:55:08.275 --> 01:55:13.435
people don't know this, but kundalini
yoga was designed for the household or

01:55:13.435 --> 01:55:15.685
person just exactly what you're saying.

01:55:15.855 --> 01:55:16.275
Rupert Isaacson: Right.

01:55:16.315 --> 01:55:16.316
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:55:16.315 --> 01:55:19.205
People who have busy lives,
who have kids, who are working.

01:55:19.745 --> 01:55:20.375
I'm the same way.

01:55:20.375 --> 01:55:22.205
I work 10, 12 hours a day.

01:55:22.205 --> 01:55:24.055
I don't have a whole lot of time.

01:55:24.115 --> 01:55:24.235
Rupert Isaacson: Right.

01:55:24.235 --> 01:55:27.235
'cause yeah, my yoga practice was
like the yoga practice of like a

01:55:27.235 --> 01:55:30.235
young man who's not a parent yet,
and it's like out the window.

01:55:31.075 --> 01:55:31.225
Well,

01:55:31.225 --> 01:55:31.226
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:55:31.225 --> 01:55:35.035
the thing is, but the Kundalini,
my Kundalini practice consists

01:55:35.035 --> 01:55:37.695
of three to 11 minutes of yoga.

01:55:37.700 --> 01:55:37.770
Okay.

01:55:38.415 --> 01:55:38.925
A day.

01:55:39.405 --> 01:55:43.065
And that's actually enough if you know,
if you're doing the right movements

01:55:43.065 --> 01:55:44.865
and breathing patterns and stuff.

01:55:45.125 --> 01:55:49.135
Where you can regulate your
entire physiology in 3 11 minutes.

01:55:49.435 --> 01:55:51.385
Rupert Isaacson: Because I am a
great believer, you know, I'm playing

01:55:51.385 --> 01:55:52.635
Devil's Advocate, I do believe in it.

01:55:52.695 --> 01:55:59.495
And I do know that also if you are
leading a normal life, which is a very

01:55:59.515 --> 01:56:03.235
sedentary life, and you have to do,
you have to go from house to car, or

01:56:03.245 --> 01:56:06.975
house to train, to work, to back end,
or even now these days with home office,

01:56:07.265 --> 01:56:11.760
because People are still expecting you
to be sitting there available on zoom

01:56:12.080 --> 01:56:15.940
for the same number of hours if not more
than you ever So you're still sitting?

01:56:17.670 --> 01:56:18.720
Just without the travel.

01:56:20.390 --> 01:56:24.900
Can you advise people we haven't time to
go into it now in this particular podcast?

01:56:24.900 --> 01:56:28.720
But can you help advise people when they
contact you on how to get together a

01:56:28.720 --> 01:56:30.835
small yoga practice that would enhance?

01:56:31.145 --> 01:56:34.725
So yeah, so they're not just dependent
on these devices and machines that also

01:56:34.965 --> 01:56:34.966
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:56:34.965 --> 01:56:35.295
100%.

01:56:35.295 --> 01:56:39.995
I mean, we, we, my wife's Kundalini
yoga teacher is I am too, but she

01:56:40.485 --> 01:56:46.805
specializes in that and can teach
people either in groups or in on

01:56:46.815 --> 01:56:48.655
zoom or, you know, one on one.

01:56:49.035 --> 01:56:52.355
But Kundalini yoga is very easy to learn.

01:56:52.355 --> 01:56:54.245
It's very simple to do.

01:56:54.955 --> 01:56:56.475
And it's, and it's fun.

01:56:56.585 --> 01:56:57.785
That's the thing about like.

01:56:58.290 --> 01:57:03.240
Whatever activity you're doing
for health or wellness, if it's

01:57:03.240 --> 01:57:05.390
not fun, then you shouldn't do it.

01:57:05.700 --> 01:57:05.960
Yeah,

01:57:06.850 --> 01:57:08.200
Rupert Isaacson: I so agree.

01:57:08.760 --> 01:57:09.080
I mean,

01:57:09.660 --> 01:57:09.661
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:57:09.660 --> 01:57:12.870
if you're going to, if you're going
to sustain any practice at all, you'd

01:57:12.870 --> 01:57:14.740
better have some element of fun.

01:57:14.990 --> 01:57:15.390
Rupert Isaacson: Yeah.

01:57:15.470 --> 01:57:20.580
I can't, I can't exercise unless it
feels like I'm just having a laugh.

01:57:21.110 --> 01:57:21.850
Then I can do it all day.

01:57:21.900 --> 01:57:25.290
Like I can dance all night and
I'll happily climb that mountain.

01:57:25.790 --> 01:57:31.000
And I'll ride, you know, train horses
all day, but ask me to go to the gym and

01:57:31.020 --> 01:57:32.920
I'm like, I'm so bored within three now.

01:57:33.180 --> 01:57:34.880
I know some people
absolutely adore the gym.

01:57:35.200 --> 01:57:38.410
It's a different, it's a different
temperament, different personality type.

01:57:38.530 --> 01:57:44.480
But for me, as you say, if it doesn't
involve play, I'm not, I'm not there.

01:57:44.490 --> 01:57:44.640
Yeah.

01:57:44.730 --> 01:57:45.170
Yeah.

01:57:46.600 --> 01:57:50.250
And I think that's a nice note
to end on, which is that play,

01:57:50.250 --> 01:57:53.280
I think really is so important.

01:57:53.310 --> 01:57:58.150
What's the, what's the age old
cliche, but it's a true one.

01:57:58.160 --> 01:57:58.810
We don't.

01:57:59.915 --> 01:58:01.405
Stop playing because we get old.

01:58:01.655 --> 01:58:03.105
We get old because we stop playing.

01:58:04.455 --> 01:58:04.456
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:58:04.455 --> 01:58:07.255
100 percent That's the essence.

01:58:07.825 --> 01:58:08.995
This whole conversation.

01:58:10.045 --> 01:58:11.095
Be like a kid.

01:58:11.235 --> 01:58:12.515
Connect with nature.

01:58:12.665 --> 01:58:16.005
And, you know, Heal yourself with fun.

01:58:16.005 --> 01:58:19.015
Heal yourself with fun.

01:58:19.675 --> 01:58:20.525
Rupert Isaacson: Words to live by.

01:58:20.525 --> 01:58:20.526
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:58:20.525 --> 01:58:22.425
You know Norman Cousins?

01:58:22.425 --> 01:58:23.165
You know who that is?

01:58:23.175 --> 01:58:23.495
No,

01:58:23.495 --> 01:58:23.825
Rupert Isaacson: I don't.

01:58:23.875 --> 01:58:24.255
Tell me.

01:58:25.590 --> 01:58:25.591
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:58:25.590 --> 01:58:29.530
Do it after we go offline, but
Norman Cousins was a very famous.

01:58:30.070 --> 01:58:33.250
I think it was a writer
or both famous guy.

01:58:33.620 --> 01:58:37.240
Bottom line is he got
a terminal diagnosis.

01:58:37.280 --> 01:58:38.850
They said, Okay, you're not going to live.

01:58:39.530 --> 01:58:40.860
And so what he did.

01:58:41.195 --> 01:58:47.215
to heal himself is he said okay i'm
gonna watch a comedy every day like a

01:58:47.245 --> 01:58:54.205
comedy movie tv show whatever every day
for like a month right from his hospital

01:58:54.215 --> 01:59:00.135
bed in one month he was completely
cured just from laughing Every day

01:59:01.725 --> 01:59:02.835
Rupert Isaacson: and he lived to be 85.

01:59:02.845 --> 01:59:04.215
I'm looking at I'm looking about now I

01:59:04.215 --> 01:59:04.216
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:59:04.215 --> 01:59:05.075
mean, that's it.

01:59:05.085 --> 01:59:08.275
That's that's the ultimate
and that was with no yoga.

01:59:08.295 --> 01:59:09.425
No technology.

01:59:09.445 --> 01:59:10.995
That was just by laughing

01:59:11.295 --> 01:59:14.555
Rupert Isaacson: You know, I think
that's a podcast we got to do is like I'm

01:59:14.555 --> 01:59:16.445
brick coming laugh therapy is coming up

01:59:16.935 --> 01:59:16.936
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:59:16.935 --> 01:59:17.275
Yeah,

01:59:17.465 --> 01:59:18.685
Rupert Isaacson: Oh God, that will be fun.

01:59:18.695 --> 01:59:19.285
Let's do that.

01:59:19.325 --> 01:59:20.225
I'll do gonna do that one

01:59:20.555 --> 01:59:20.556
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:59:20.555 --> 01:59:20.875
Yeah.

01:59:20.975 --> 01:59:21.265
Yeah.

01:59:22.335 --> 01:59:22.875
Rupert Isaacson: All right.

01:59:23.235 --> 01:59:23.715
Brilliant.

01:59:24.305 --> 01:59:24.785
Awesome.

01:59:25.435 --> 01:59:28.285
Well, so much for coming on.

01:59:28.875 --> 01:59:28.876
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:59:28.875 --> 01:59:29.125
Yeah.

01:59:29.125 --> 01:59:29.925
My pleasure, man.

01:59:30.325 --> 01:59:31.025
I appreciate it.

01:59:31.345 --> 01:59:31.775
Thank you.

01:59:32.025 --> 01:59:32.845
Rupert Isaacson: Maybe we'll do it again.

01:59:33.515 --> 01:59:33.516
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:59:33.515 --> 01:59:34.035
Okay.

01:59:34.985 --> 01:59:35.245
Rupert Isaacson: All right.

01:59:36.045 --> 01:59:38.285
When I'm in Los Angeles, I
get there from time to time.

01:59:38.565 --> 01:59:38.566
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:59:38.565 --> 01:59:38.815
Yeah.

01:59:38.815 --> 01:59:40.545
Well, it'd be fun to hang out with you.

01:59:40.545 --> 01:59:40.855
I'll

01:59:40.855 --> 01:59:41.285
Rupert Isaacson: do it.

01:59:41.825 --> 01:59:42.125
Okay.

01:59:42.125 --> 01:59:45.535
Only if it, well, maybe
we're a little bit of fun.

01:59:45.545 --> 01:59:45.975
Maybe.

01:59:45.985 --> 01:59:46.185
Yeah.

01:59:46.285 --> 01:59:46.286
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:59:46.285 --> 01:59:46.595
Yeah.

01:59:48.615 --> 01:59:49.135
Rupert Isaacson: All right.

01:59:49.305 --> 01:59:50.745
Be well until the next time.

01:59:51.175 --> 01:59:51.176
Dr. Har Hari Khalsa:

01:59:51.175 --> 01:59:51.755
Okay.

01:59:51.935 --> 01:59:52.355
Thank you.

01:59:53.205 --> 01:59:56.585
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