1 00:00:03,214 --> 00:00:05,581 [Ian Landsman]: Alright, we're back! Episode 3. 2 00:00:06,570 --> 00:00:10,053 [Aaron]: We are back and I think we're both in different locations. 3 00:00:09,790 --> 00:00:11,234 [Ian Landsman]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 4 00:00:10,153 --> 00:00:14,717 [Aaron]: I made it back home to Texas and so I'm back in my normal setup. Where are you? 5 00:00:15,802 --> 00:00:18,465 [Ian Landsman]: I'm in the Outer Banks of North Carolina. 6 00:00:19,246 --> 00:00:19,555 [Aaron]: Okay. 7 00:00:19,726 --> 00:00:23,010 [Ian Landsman]: So yeah, we've been in different spots every episode, I feel like. So I don't 8 00:00:22,930 --> 00:00:23,890 [Aaron]: Yeah, 9 00:00:23,030 --> 00:00:24,151 [Ian Landsman]: know. It might be 10 00:00:24,190 --> 00:00:24,251 [Aaron]: I 11 00:00:24,191 --> 00:00:24,351 [Ian Landsman]: hard 12 00:00:24,291 --> 00:00:24,451 [Aaron]: think 13 00:00:24,371 --> 00:00:24,631 [Ian Landsman]: to keep 14 00:00:24,491 --> 00:00:24,711 [Aaron]: that's 15 00:00:24,671 --> 00:00:24,832 [Ian Landsman]: this 16 00:00:24,791 --> 00:00:25,151 [Aaron]: actually 17 00:00:24,952 --> 00:00:25,232 [Ian Landsman]: up. We're 18 00:00:25,211 --> 00:00:25,471 [Aaron]: true, 19 00:00:25,252 --> 00:00:25,552 [Ian Landsman]: gonna have to 20 00:00:25,511 --> 00:00:25,792 [Aaron]: yeah. 21 00:00:25,652 --> 00:00:26,413 [Ian Landsman]: keep traveling. 22 00:00:27,373 --> 00:00:33,377 [Aaron]: Yeah, so what's in the Outer Banks? This is not a part of the country I'm familiar 23 00:00:33,397 --> 00:00:33,637 [Aaron]: with. 24 00:00:35,042 --> 00:00:38,104 [Ian Landsman]: So this is my first time here. I've never been here before. It's really great. 25 00:00:38,164 --> 00:00:42,447 [Ian Landsman]: It's, we normally go to Martha's Vineyard kind of almost every year. And this 26 00:00:42,487 --> 00:00:45,850 [Ian Landsman]: year my family was going down here. So my brother and my cousin, we decided 27 00:00:45,870 --> 00:00:50,273 [Ian Landsman]: to tag along with them. So we're all here. It's great. Like beach right on the 28 00:00:50,353 --> 00:00:56,277 [Ian Landsman]: ocean, or beach on the ocean, house on the ocean. You know, ice cream and 29 00:00:56,717 --> 00:01:02,001 [Ian Landsman]: bunch of kids running around and this huge house with the pool and the beach 30 00:01:02,081 --> 00:01:04,064 [Ian Landsman]: and. a million rooms and everything. 31 00:01:04,083 --> 00:01:07,410 [Aaron]: And is the beach on the ocean or is the beach in town? Hopefully the beach 32 00:01:07,306 --> 00:01:07,426 [Ian Landsman]: The 33 00:01:07,451 --> 00:01:07,531 [Aaron]: is 34 00:01:07,466 --> 00:01:07,906 [Ian Landsman]: beaches, 35 00:01:07,571 --> 00:01:08,473 [Aaron]: also on the ocean. 36 00:01:08,627 --> 00:01:08,747 [Ian Landsman]: it's 37 00:01:08,813 --> 00:01:09,715 [Aaron]: Yeah. 38 00:01:08,847 --> 00:01:09,748 [Ian Landsman]: on the ocean. 39 00:01:09,796 --> 00:01:10,297 [Aaron]: Okay, good. 40 00:01:11,269 --> 00:01:13,812 [Ian Landsman]: Although we have this hurricane, I guess, coming or something. I don't know. 41 00:01:13,832 --> 00:01:15,433 [Ian Landsman]: So we'll see. I don't think it's going to hit 42 00:01:15,332 --> 00:01:16,019 [Aaron]: Oh yeah! 43 00:01:15,533 --> 00:01:19,497 [Ian Landsman]: us, but I think it's going to be like 50 mile an hour winds and things like 44 00:01:19,537 --> 00:01:20,077 [Ian Landsman]: that. So. 45 00:01:20,158 --> 00:01:25,065 [Aaron]: Yeah, I think I just saw that this morning. So now is the is the weather there? 46 00:01:25,205 --> 00:01:27,649 [Aaron]: Is it 108 like it is in Dallas or is it OK? 47 00:01:28,038 --> 00:01:31,100 [Ian Landsman]: No, it's all right. It's been in the 80s, so it's been good beach weather. 48 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:31,360 [Ian Landsman]: It's been 49 00:01:31,375 --> 00:01:31,576 [Aaron]: That's 50 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:31,741 [Ian Landsman]: warm 51 00:01:31,757 --> 00:01:32,502 [Aaron]: amazing. 52 00:01:31,781 --> 00:01:35,184 [Ian Landsman]: and very humid, so kids have been wanting to get in the water and all that. 53 00:01:35,224 --> 00:01:38,486 [Ian Landsman]: That's been good. Then hit the pool. I never really had a setup quite like 54 00:01:38,506 --> 00:01:41,869 [Ian Landsman]: this before. It's nice, because we have the beach, obviously, out there. And 55 00:01:41,889 --> 00:01:46,333 [Ian Landsman]: then you come in from the beach, and there's the pool and the house. So you 56 00:01:46,353 --> 00:01:50,256 [Ian Landsman]: start at the beach, then you hit the pool, kind of like fully cleanse and 57 00:01:50,276 --> 00:01:54,313 [Ian Landsman]: refresh, and then... Boom, you're in the house hanging out. I mean, this is like 58 00:01:54,353 --> 00:01:57,457 [Ian Landsman]: the theater room. I watched messy in here the other night. I'll be watching 59 00:01:57,497 --> 00:01:58,959 [Ian Landsman]: messy in here tonight again. 60 00:01:59,534 --> 00:02:00,314 [Aaron]: Amazing. 61 00:01:59,540 --> 00:02:01,223 [Ian Landsman]: So that's really 62 00:02:01,155 --> 00:02:01,215 [Aaron]: OK, 63 00:02:01,263 --> 00:02:01,563 [Ian Landsman]: cool. 64 00:02:01,375 --> 00:02:03,875 [Aaron]: so I have I have opinions about the beach and 65 00:02:03,826 --> 00:02:04,107 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 66 00:02:03,975 --> 00:02:04,496 [Aaron]: the pool. 67 00:02:05,228 --> 00:02:06,029 [Ian Landsman]: Oh, interesting. 68 00:02:06,116 --> 00:02:10,917 [Aaron]: The beach, the beach is kind of frustrating to me because the way that I've always done 69 00:02:10,957 --> 00:02:16,619 [Aaron]: it is you pack up all your stuff, you schlep it out there onto the beach. It's, you 70 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,720 [Aaron]: know, it's 100 degrees. You're covered 71 00:02:18,491 --> 00:02:18,756 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 72 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,541 [Aaron]: in sand. You get out there and then you're expected to just sit there in the salt 73 00:02:23,581 --> 00:02:25,621 [Aaron]: and the sun for hours. 74 00:02:25,095 --> 00:02:25,360 [Ian Landsman]: Hehehehe 75 00:02:26,186 --> 00:02:29,470 [Aaron]: and then you gotta walk all the way back to the house for lunch. 76 00:02:29,191 --> 00:02:29,582 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm. 77 00:02:30,931 --> 00:02:35,397 [Aaron]: I love the pool. I love going to the beach and sitting in a pool. That is my absolute 78 00:02:35,417 --> 00:02:40,022 [Aaron]: favorite. You can wander outside, hop in the pool, wander back inside. I just don't 79 00:02:40,062 --> 00:02:42,726 [Aaron]: like- I don't like packing it up and walking down the boardwalk. 80 00:02:42,407 --> 00:02:43,087 [Ian Landsman]: Hehehehe 81 00:02:42,746 --> 00:02:45,749 [Aaron]: Does that make me an old man or just lazy or what does that say? 82 00:02:46,518 --> 00:02:50,459 [Ian Landsman]: No, but let me tell you, I used to be like you, but I discovered the secrets 83 00:02:50,499 --> 00:02:52,860 [Ian Landsman]: of the beach and I will share with the audience the 84 00:02:52,852 --> 00:02:53,158 [Aaron]: Okay. 85 00:02:52,900 --> 00:02:56,562 [Ian Landsman]: secrets of the beach, okay? So this is actually why we ended up going to 86 00:02:56,602 --> 00:03:02,004 [Ian Landsman]: Martha's Vineyard when the kids were little and for like 10 years or so. Because 87 00:03:02,104 --> 00:03:05,465 [Ian Landsman]: one of the big keys to the beach, so out, like the dragging yourself to the beach, 88 00:03:05,485 --> 00:03:07,886 [Ian Landsman]: forget it, it's the worst thing ever, especially once you have kids, 89 00:03:07,626 --> 00:03:07,849 [Aaron]: Forget 90 00:03:07,906 --> 00:03:07,966 [Ian Landsman]: the 91 00:03:07,909 --> 00:03:08,031 [Aaron]: it. 92 00:03:08,026 --> 00:03:08,387 [Ian Landsman]: kids, 93 00:03:08,415 --> 00:03:08,739 [Aaron]: Yeah, 94 00:03:08,427 --> 00:03:09,047 [Ian Landsman]: all the stuff, 95 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:08,982 [Aaron]: yeah, 96 00:03:09,087 --> 00:03:09,367 [Ian Landsman]: the kids 97 00:03:09,225 --> 00:03:09,488 [Aaron]: yeah. 98 00:03:09,387 --> 00:03:12,088 [Ian Landsman]: are running around, the whole thing's terrible. It's like you're just suicidal 99 00:03:12,148 --> 00:03:12,668 [Ian Landsman]: after you just 100 00:03:12,618 --> 00:03:12,862 [Aaron]: Yes. 101 00:03:12,728 --> 00:03:16,574 [Ian Landsman]: walk to the beach, you're like, that's it. So. You can't do that. Don't ever 102 00:03:16,594 --> 00:03:20,576 [Ian Landsman]: do that. You gotta buy a truck. Okay. You have 103 00:03:20,578 --> 00:03:20,639 [Aaron]: Oh 104 00:03:20,596 --> 00:03:22,317 [Ian Landsman]: a truck. All right. 105 00:03:23,630 --> 00:03:26,554 [Aaron]: This is a low barrier to entry. You gotta buy a truck. 106 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:26,400 [Ian Landsman]: Listen, 107 00:03:26,614 --> 00:03:27,015 [Aaron]: Okay, yeah, 108 00:03:26,940 --> 00:03:27,280 [Ian Landsman]: you need 109 00:03:27,295 --> 00:03:27,475 [Aaron]: no, 110 00:03:27,340 --> 00:03:27,860 [Ian Landsman]: a car. 111 00:03:27,515 --> 00:03:27,996 [Aaron]: keep going. 112 00:03:28,361 --> 00:03:28,541 [Ian Landsman]: This 113 00:03:28,577 --> 00:03:29,658 [Aaron]: Yeah. 114 00:03:28,581 --> 00:03:32,363 [Ian Landsman]: is America. Everybody uses their trucks as like mini vans. 115 00:03:32,101 --> 00:03:32,622 [Aaron]: Okay, 116 00:03:32,403 --> 00:03:32,863 [Ian Landsman]: It's fine. 117 00:03:32,782 --> 00:03:33,043 [Aaron]: okay, 118 00:03:33,063 --> 00:03:33,163 [Ian Landsman]: You 119 00:03:33,083 --> 00:03:33,383 [Aaron]: yeah, 120 00:03:33,203 --> 00:03:33,904 [Ian Landsman]: have a truck. 121 00:03:33,483 --> 00:03:35,446 [Aaron]: for sure, keep going. 122 00:03:35,165 --> 00:03:35,925 [Ian Landsman]: You could also do... 123 00:03:35,906 --> 00:03:35,967 [Aaron]: I 124 00:03:35,945 --> 00:03:35,985 [Ian Landsman]: No. 125 00:03:35,987 --> 00:03:40,052 [Aaron]: thought it was gonna be like, pack an extra sandwich or something, but yeah, buy 126 00:03:40,092 --> 00:03:40,913 [Aaron]: a truck. All right, keep 127 00:03:40,848 --> 00:03:41,048 [Ian Landsman]: Buy 128 00:03:40,953 --> 00:03:41,173 [Aaron]: going. 129 00:03:41,088 --> 00:03:45,142 [Ian Landsman]: a truck. All right. Truck is best. You could use SUV. or even a mini van 130 00:03:45,162 --> 00:03:48,203 [Ian Landsman]: with four wheel drive, but you know, a truck is best for a lot of reasons, 131 00:03:48,263 --> 00:03:52,884 [Ian Landsman]: which I can tell you about. You get a truck, you find a beach that lets 132 00:03:52,904 --> 00:03:54,424 [Ian Landsman]: you drive on the beach, okay? 133 00:03:54,422 --> 00:03:54,723 [Aaron]: Okay. 134 00:03:55,625 --> 00:03:57,445 [Ian Landsman]: This is the solution to all your problems, 135 00:03:57,528 --> 00:03:57,588 [Aaron]: I 136 00:03:57,605 --> 00:03:58,225 [Ian Landsman]: because, 137 00:03:57,609 --> 00:03:58,550 [Aaron]: see where this is going. 138 00:03:58,726 --> 00:04:01,186 [Ian Landsman]: yes, because, right, so everything's in the back of the truck, right? 139 00:04:01,617 --> 00:04:01,817 [Aaron]: Yeah. 140 00:04:01,706 --> 00:04:05,628 [Ian Landsman]: You drive to the beach, you don't have to stay near the water. So if you 141 00:04:05,648 --> 00:04:08,648 [Ian Landsman]: wanna save money, if it's like, beach vacation can be quite 142 00:04:08,632 --> 00:04:08,776 [Aaron]: Oh, 143 00:04:08,668 --> 00:04:09,129 [Ian Landsman]: expensive 144 00:04:08,858 --> 00:04:09,186 [Aaron]: I see. 145 00:04:09,169 --> 00:04:11,769 [Ian Landsman]: if you wanna be on the water, right? So forget that. You stay 146 00:04:11,670 --> 00:04:11,893 [Aaron]: Forget 147 00:04:11,809 --> 00:04:12,169 [Ian Landsman]: inland. 148 00:04:11,933 --> 00:04:13,188 [Aaron]: that, just buy a truck, yeah. 149 00:04:13,242 --> 00:04:19,603 [Ian Landsman]: You buy a truck with your savings. You drive onto the beach. Okay. You park your 150 00:04:19,643 --> 00:04:20,684 [Ian Landsman]: truck an inch 151 00:04:20,686 --> 00:04:20,828 [Aaron]: For 152 00:04:20,724 --> 00:04:20,984 [Ian Landsman]: from the 153 00:04:20,991 --> 00:04:21,379 [Aaron]: sure. 154 00:04:21,024 --> 00:04:24,985 [Ian Landsman]: water. You push all the stuff out the back. It's there. You didn't carry 155 00:04:25,005 --> 00:04:29,586 [Ian Landsman]: anything. You have a huge ass cooler with tons of food. If you have little 156 00:04:29,606 --> 00:04:33,147 [Ian Landsman]: kids, all right, it's going to get gross for a second, but you have a little 157 00:04:33,207 --> 00:04:34,707 [Ian Landsman]: portable potty that's 158 00:04:34,662 --> 00:04:34,983 [Aaron]: Yeah. 159 00:04:34,727 --> 00:04:37,008 [Ian Landsman]: got the little Ziploc baggy thing. They can go 160 00:04:36,968 --> 00:04:37,049 [Aaron]: Oh, 161 00:04:37,028 --> 00:04:37,068 [Ian Landsman]: to 162 00:04:37,069 --> 00:04:37,329 [Aaron]: that's 163 00:04:37,088 --> 00:04:37,528 [Ian Landsman]: the bathroom 164 00:04:37,370 --> 00:04:38,152 [Aaron]: horrifying. 165 00:04:37,568 --> 00:04:38,669 [Ian Landsman]: right there. You don't have to take 166 00:04:38,553 --> 00:04:38,834 [Aaron]: Yeah. 167 00:04:38,689 --> 00:04:43,119 [Ian Landsman]: them to the bathroom back anywhere. And when they're done. tile everything into 168 00:04:43,139 --> 00:04:46,565 [Ian Landsman]: the truck, it takes two seconds. You drive off the beach. Most of the drive 169 00:04:46,585 --> 00:04:49,710 [Ian Landsman]: on beaches, you usually end up with a huge area of beach all to yourself. 170 00:04:50,039 --> 00:04:50,291 [Aaron]: Yep. 171 00:04:50,772 --> 00:04:52,234 [Ian Landsman]: It's the best thing ever. It's fabulous. 172 00:04:52,966 --> 00:04:53,246 [Aaron]: Okay. 173 00:04:53,016 --> 00:04:53,977 [Ian Landsman]: So that's my recommendation. 174 00:04:54,669 --> 00:04:59,297 [Aaron]: Okay, one fatal flaw is you have to buy a new vehicle, but other than that, it's 175 00:04:59,317 --> 00:05:03,144 [Aaron]: flawless. I guess, you know, if you're flying, you could rent a truck 176 00:05:03,098 --> 00:05:03,558 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 177 00:05:03,164 --> 00:05:03,785 [Aaron]: when you get there. 178 00:05:03,658 --> 00:05:03,959 [Ian Landsman]: all these 179 00:05:03,825 --> 00:05:03,925 [Aaron]: So 180 00:05:03,999 --> 00:05:04,299 [Ian Landsman]: places 181 00:05:04,146 --> 00:05:04,386 [Aaron]: that's 182 00:05:04,339 --> 00:05:04,459 [Ian Landsman]: have 183 00:05:04,406 --> 00:05:05,328 [Aaron]: something. 184 00:05:04,519 --> 00:05:05,981 [Ian Landsman]: rental jeeps and trucks 185 00:05:05,809 --> 00:05:06,149 [Aaron]: Yeah. 186 00:05:06,021 --> 00:05:08,765 [Ian Landsman]: and things like that. So you could rent it. Um, and then, Hey, a lot of 187 00:05:08,785 --> 00:05:10,908 [Ian Landsman]: people now that just have, I mean, you're in Texas. You told me there's 188 00:05:10,928 --> 00:05:12,229 [Ian Landsman]: no trucks down there. Everybody's got a truck. 189 00:05:12,762 --> 00:05:14,602 [Aaron]: Oh, everybody's got a truck. Yeah, everybody's 190 00:05:14,502 --> 00:05:14,985 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 191 00:05:14,642 --> 00:05:15,242 [Aaron]: got a truck. I could 192 00:05:15,206 --> 00:05:15,789 [Ian Landsman]: exactly. 193 00:05:15,262 --> 00:05:20,925 [Aaron]: borrow a truck from anyone around here. So here's something I saw on Twitter that kind 194 00:05:20,945 --> 00:05:23,405 [Aaron]: of blew my mind. You're on this trip and you're like, hey, 195 00:05:23,441 --> 00:05:23,483 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 196 00:05:23,486 --> 00:05:28,187 [Aaron]: I'm gonna go to this amazing little roadside restaurant that nobody's ever heard 197 00:05:28,327 --> 00:05:28,988 [Aaron]: of. It's called 198 00:05:28,804 --> 00:05:29,026 [Ian Landsman]: Hahaha 199 00:05:29,008 --> 00:05:33,789 [Aaron]: a Waffle House. I've never been before. What, you've never been to a Waffle 200 00:05:33,726 --> 00:05:33,806 [Ian Landsman]: I've 201 00:05:33,809 --> 00:05:34,149 [Aaron]: House? 202 00:05:33,826 --> 00:05:37,689 [Ian Landsman]: never been to Waffle House. This has been on my list of things to do for 203 00:05:37,709 --> 00:05:40,572 [Ian Landsman]: a very long time. I don't know if I've ever even seen a Waffle House. It's 204 00:05:40,612 --> 00:05:40,933 [Ian Landsman]: crazy, 205 00:05:40,639 --> 00:05:40,943 [Aaron]: What? 206 00:05:40,993 --> 00:05:45,197 [Ian Landsman]: like I know. It's not even like I've been avoiding them. I don't even believe 207 00:05:45,217 --> 00:05:47,739 [Ian Landsman]: I've had the opportunity because usually I would take the opportunity out of 208 00:05:47,759 --> 00:05:50,442 [Ian Landsman]: a thing like that I've been waiting for forever because it's like Waffle 209 00:05:50,462 --> 00:05:51,263 [Ian Landsman]: House, it's such a thing. 210 00:05:51,704 --> 00:05:52,569 [Aaron]: Do they not have them 211 00:05:52,644 --> 00:05:52,924 [Ian Landsman]: No, 212 00:05:52,730 --> 00:05:53,413 [Aaron]: in the North? 213 00:05:54,085 --> 00:05:54,466 [Ian Landsman]: Northeast 214 00:05:54,237 --> 00:05:54,860 [Aaron]: Really? 215 00:05:54,526 --> 00:05:59,314 [Ian Landsman]: has no Waffle Houses that I've ever seen. So, yeah. Waffle house. 216 00:05:59,574 --> 00:05:59,836 [Aaron]: What did 217 00:05:59,854 --> 00:05:59,894 [Ian Landsman]: I 218 00:05:59,876 --> 00:05:59,977 [Aaron]: you 219 00:05:59,914 --> 00:06:00,054 [Ian Landsman]: was 220 00:06:00,017 --> 00:06:00,380 [Aaron]: think? 221 00:06:00,094 --> 00:06:03,016 [Ian Landsman]: very impressed. So it's, I mean, I'm the day I tweeted that you said you had 222 00:06:03,036 --> 00:06:04,317 [Ian Landsman]: gone there for breakfast. So there you 223 00:06:04,230 --> 00:06:04,490 [Aaron]: I had 224 00:06:04,337 --> 00:06:04,497 [Ian Landsman]: go. 225 00:06:04,530 --> 00:06:04,791 [Aaron]: gotten 226 00:06:04,557 --> 00:06:04,857 [Ian Landsman]: It's like, 227 00:06:04,811 --> 00:06:04,891 [Aaron]: it 228 00:06:04,897 --> 00:06:05,077 [Ian Landsman]: yeah, 229 00:06:04,951 --> 00:06:09,539 [Aaron]: for breakfast. Yeah. 230 00:06:07,539 --> 00:06:09,640 [Ian Landsman]: it's a regular staple, but it was great. It's 231 00:06:09,659 --> 00:06:09,740 [Aaron]: It 232 00:06:09,660 --> 00:06:09,780 [Ian Landsman]: like, 233 00:06:09,780 --> 00:06:10,120 [Aaron]: really 234 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:10,981 [Ian Landsman]: there's no vegetables. 235 00:06:10,301 --> 00:06:10,561 [Aaron]: is. 236 00:06:11,001 --> 00:06:13,783 [Ian Landsman]: There's like, there's waffles and that's it. And like, you know, sandwiches 237 00:06:13,254 --> 00:06:14,134 [Aaron]: No vegetables, 238 00:06:13,843 --> 00:06:14,363 [Ian Landsman]: and hash 239 00:06:14,214 --> 00:06:14,975 [Aaron]: waffles. 240 00:06:14,383 --> 00:06:16,925 [Ian Landsman]: browns. 241 00:06:15,435 --> 00:06:16,856 [Aaron]: Put it on my tombstone, which 242 00:06:17,005 --> 00:06:17,185 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 243 00:06:17,657 --> 00:06:21,620 [Aaron]: unfortunately may be coming soon if I keep going to Waffle House. But yeah, 244 00:06:21,278 --> 00:06:21,740 [Ian Landsman]: That was good. 245 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,422 [Aaron]: it's like an American classic. 246 00:06:23,854 --> 00:06:24,135 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 247 00:06:23,862 --> 00:06:25,563 [Aaron]: Okay, 248 00:06:24,276 --> 00:06:24,960 [Ian Landsman]: I was surprised. 249 00:06:25,864 --> 00:06:33,810 [Aaron]: so Waffle House is everywhere down here. They also like weirdly never close. And 250 00:06:33,734 --> 00:06:34,491 [Ian Landsman]: Right, I saw 251 00:06:34,510 --> 00:06:34,731 [Aaron]: they 252 00:06:34,511 --> 00:06:34,695 [Ian Landsman]: that. 253 00:06:34,831 --> 00:06:38,818 [Aaron]: have, I don't know if they have a super robust supply chain or what. But there's 254 00:06:38,851 --> 00:06:38,933 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 255 00:06:38,858 --> 00:06:43,719 [Aaron]: like a way that you can measure how bad a natural disaster is. And it's like called 256 00:06:43,739 --> 00:06:45,059 [Aaron]: the Waffle House Index. 257 00:06:45,119 --> 00:06:45,529 [Ian Landsman]: Ha 258 00:06:45,459 --> 00:06:45,659 [Aaron]: And it's 259 00:06:45,570 --> 00:06:45,632 [Ian Landsman]: ha 260 00:06:45,679 --> 00:06:50,081 [Aaron]: like, how quickly did Waffle House reopen slash did they ever close? It's very 261 00:06:50,121 --> 00:06:53,502 [Aaron]: interesting. I don't know the full details, but Waffle Houses are everywhere down 262 00:06:53,542 --> 00:07:00,143 [Aaron]: here. I went on, uh, I guess that was, would have been Friday, um, 263 00:06:59,881 --> 00:07:00,004 [Ian Landsman]: Mm, 264 00:07:00,183 --> 00:07:00,303 [Aaron]: for 265 00:07:00,289 --> 00:07:00,513 [Ian Landsman]: yeah. 266 00:07:00,343 --> 00:07:05,285 [Aaron]: breakfast. So every, every three weeks we have this group of guys that gets together 267 00:07:05,325 --> 00:07:10,219 [Aaron]: and goes, goes to breakfast. Um, it's like. The only time everyone is available is, 268 00:07:10,479 --> 00:07:14,863 [Aaron]: you know, 7 a.m. on Friday morning. So there are like, there are probably eight 269 00:07:14,903 --> 00:07:18,986 [Aaron]: of us in this group. And yeah, it's awesome. And 270 00:07:18,951 --> 00:07:19,466 [Ian Landsman]: real world. 271 00:07:19,287 --> 00:07:24,131 [Aaron]: we usually, we usually go to this place called John's Cafe, which is terrible. 272 00:07:24,092 --> 00:07:24,133 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 273 00:07:24,171 --> 00:07:27,513 [Aaron]: But when there are only, when there are five or fewer of us that 274 00:07:27,407 --> 00:07:27,692 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 275 00:07:27,613 --> 00:07:31,797 [Aaron]: RSVP, yes, we go to Waffle House because Waffle House has, you know, those tables that 276 00:07:31,817 --> 00:07:33,518 [Aaron]: you cannot move that only 277 00:07:33,306 --> 00:07:33,728 [Ian Landsman]: I noticed 278 00:07:33,578 --> 00:07:33,798 [Aaron]: seat 279 00:07:33,768 --> 00:07:34,230 [Ian Landsman]: that. 280 00:07:33,899 --> 00:07:34,979 [Aaron]: four people. Yeah. 281 00:07:35,054 --> 00:07:35,636 [Ian Landsman]: Yes. 282 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:40,173 [Aaron]: And so we'll go to Waffle House and the food. is incredible. It is like, it's the 283 00:07:40,233 --> 00:07:42,776 [Aaron]: dirtiest, dineriest place you've ever been, 284 00:07:42,810 --> 00:07:42,952 [Ian Landsman]: It 285 00:07:42,836 --> 00:07:43,077 [Aaron]: but the 286 00:07:43,114 --> 00:07:43,398 [Ian Landsman]: is. 287 00:07:43,197 --> 00:07:47,743 [Aaron]: food is amazing. And they like, you ask for eggs, soft scrambled, and they make 288 00:07:47,863 --> 00:07:52,068 [Aaron]: eggs, soft scrambled. Like they know how to make eggs. It's, it's great. I love 289 00:07:52,088 --> 00:07:52,729 [Aaron]: Waffle House. 290 00:07:53,166 --> 00:07:56,228 [Ian Landsman]: Well, I love those places. See that it's like, I'm sure this goes into that 291 00:07:56,288 --> 00:07:59,751 [Ian Landsman]: index is like, there's basically like what, like 10 ingredients on the whole 292 00:07:59,791 --> 00:08:03,514 [Ian Landsman]: menu, you know, it's just like the same things just like ordered differently 293 00:08:03,654 --> 00:08:07,337 [Ian Landsman]: and, and so like, yeah, they probably have an easy time reopening and they 294 00:08:07,357 --> 00:08:09,859 [Ian Landsman]: only have to know how to do a few things. You can get a chef. It's not 295 00:08:09,879 --> 00:08:12,061 [Ian Landsman]: like they're making a bunch of like a regular diet. And in Northeast, we 296 00:08:12,081 --> 00:08:13,222 [Ian Landsman]: have tons of regular diners 297 00:08:13,678 --> 00:08:13,824 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 298 00:08:13,842 --> 00:08:18,126 [Ian Landsman]: and it's just like, they have 400 items. There's like pot roast and eggs 299 00:08:18,226 --> 00:08:21,108 [Ian Landsman]: and whatever sandwiches and pasta and whatever it does, 300 00:08:21,046 --> 00:08:21,291 [Aaron]: Yeah. 301 00:08:21,148 --> 00:08:25,137 [Ian Landsman]: all these different things. And usually it's all. Gross. And I want us 302 00:08:25,157 --> 00:08:28,121 [Ian Landsman]: to get Waffle Houses. I need Waffle Houses. The other thing, so I need Waffle 303 00:08:28,141 --> 00:08:31,706 [Ian Landsman]: Houses. These are my big things from the South. I need Waffle Houses and I 304 00:08:31,726 --> 00:08:34,070 [Ian Landsman]: need Brew Thrus. Do you have Brew Thrus there? 305 00:08:34,506 --> 00:08:36,190 [Aaron]: A brew through? I think 306 00:08:36,073 --> 00:08:36,413 [Ian Landsman]: Yes. 307 00:08:36,250 --> 00:08:40,462 [Aaron]: I know what that is, but I don't, I don't know if that's a brand name. That's not 308 00:08:40,430 --> 00:08:40,550 [Ian Landsman]: It's 309 00:08:40,502 --> 00:08:40,763 [Aaron]: something 310 00:08:40,570 --> 00:08:40,770 [Ian Landsman]: like, 311 00:08:40,783 --> 00:08:41,625 [Aaron]: we say down here. 312 00:08:42,051 --> 00:08:45,313 [Ian Landsman]: okay, it's like, uh, it's like a car wash. All 313 00:08:45,024 --> 00:08:45,251 [Aaron]: Okay. 314 00:08:45,593 --> 00:08:48,655 [Ian Landsman]: right. Like a drive through car wash. But when you drive through it, instead 315 00:08:48,675 --> 00:08:52,218 [Ian Landsman]: of your car getting washed, there's just refrigerators along the side 316 00:08:52,050 --> 00:08:52,471 [Aaron]: Yeah. 317 00:08:52,258 --> 00:08:57,101 [Ian Landsman]: where you get beer and you just drive through. It's unbelievable. I'm like, 318 00:08:57,161 --> 00:08:59,703 [Ian Landsman]: what genius thought of this? Like, I don't know why we don't have these 319 00:08:59,723 --> 00:09:02,285 [Ian Landsman]: in the Northeast. Like just drive through and get your beer. 320 00:09:02,866 --> 00:09:03,446 [Aaron]: Yeah, 321 00:09:02,985 --> 00:09:03,585 [Ian Landsman]: It's amazing. 322 00:09:03,566 --> 00:09:07,647 [Aaron]: that's I didn't realize that was something that wasn't everywhere. Yeah, we have 323 00:09:07,729 --> 00:09:07,978 [Ian Landsman]: No. 324 00:09:07,768 --> 00:09:11,749 [Aaron]: I think we call them in Texas, we have a few beer barns drive through beer 325 00:09:11,683 --> 00:09:12,026 [Ian Landsman]: Okay. 326 00:09:11,789 --> 00:09:12,269 [Aaron]: barns. 327 00:09:12,572 --> 00:09:12,855 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 328 00:09:12,810 --> 00:09:18,632 [Aaron]: And then I do remember in. So I went to I went to college at Texas A&M, which is 329 00:09:18,712 --> 00:09:21,313 [Aaron]: down in, you know, college station small, small town. 330 00:09:21,889 --> 00:09:22,033 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm. 331 00:09:22,393 --> 00:09:25,915 [Aaron]: We had a drive through margarita barn. And 332 00:09:25,867 --> 00:09:26,109 [Ian Landsman]: Ooh. 333 00:09:25,975 --> 00:09:30,137 [Aaron]: so they would Yeah, so you could drive through and get all kinds of different margaritas. 334 00:09:30,757 --> 00:09:35,274 [Aaron]: And for the dear listener, You would not drink them until you got home, obviously, 335 00:09:35,001 --> 00:09:35,513 [Ian Landsman]: Obviously. 336 00:09:35,674 --> 00:09:39,856 [Aaron]: because they would put tape over the lid and you couldn't open it. It was impossible. 337 00:09:39,896 --> 00:09:43,037 [Aaron]: There was a little piece of tape on it and it was like, oh, I guess I'll have to 338 00:09:43,074 --> 00:09:43,195 [Ian Landsman]: How 339 00:09:43,077 --> 00:09:43,337 [Aaron]: wait 340 00:09:43,215 --> 00:09:43,435 [Ian Landsman]: would you 341 00:09:43,437 --> 00:09:43,657 [Aaron]: until 342 00:09:43,475 --> 00:09:43,756 [Ian Landsman]: ever get 343 00:09:43,697 --> 00:09:43,877 [Aaron]: I get 344 00:09:43,776 --> 00:09:43,977 [Ian Landsman]: through 345 00:09:43,937 --> 00:09:44,197 [Aaron]: home 346 00:09:43,997 --> 00:09:44,940 [Ian Landsman]: that? Right. 347 00:09:44,857 --> 00:09:45,257 [Aaron]: to open 348 00:09:45,181 --> 00:09:45,442 [Ian Landsman]: You need 349 00:09:45,297 --> 00:09:45,477 [Aaron]: this 350 00:09:45,462 --> 00:09:45,943 [Ian Landsman]: scissors. 351 00:09:45,497 --> 00:09:50,999 [Aaron]: because you need scissors. Yeah, so, yeah, that's funny. Yeah, Waffle House and 352 00:09:51,039 --> 00:09:53,800 [Aaron]: Beer Barns and a truck on every corner. That's, 353 00:09:54,010 --> 00:09:55,691 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 354 00:09:54,340 --> 00:09:55,600 [Aaron]: you got it. That's the South. 355 00:09:55,711 --> 00:09:55,871 [Ian Landsman]: There 356 00:09:55,820 --> 00:09:55,981 [Aaron]: Good 357 00:09:55,891 --> 00:09:55,991 [Ian Landsman]: we 358 00:09:56,001 --> 00:09:56,061 [Aaron]: to 359 00:09:56,011 --> 00:09:56,492 [Ian Landsman]: go. 360 00:09:56,101 --> 00:09:57,261 [Aaron]: be back, baby. I love 361 00:09:57,272 --> 00:09:57,993 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 362 00:09:57,301 --> 00:09:57,961 [Aaron]: being home. 363 00:09:59,054 --> 00:10:03,778 [Ian Landsman]: I know. I don't get down to like this part like southy south that much. 364 00:10:03,798 --> 00:10:06,721 [Ian Landsman]: Like it's only every few years. Like I sometimes end up in Florida or a place 365 00:10:06,741 --> 00:10:08,963 [Ian Landsman]: like that, which is sort of its own weird thing. I don't know. 366 00:10:09,118 --> 00:10:10,422 [Aaron]: It is its own weird thing, yeah. 367 00:10:10,644 --> 00:10:11,184 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 368 00:10:11,606 --> 00:10:13,933 [Aaron]: Don't put that, don't ascribe that to us. I don't want Florida. 369 00:10:13,767 --> 00:10:17,049 [Ian Landsman]: Right. It doesn't feel like North Carolina Virginia type South to me. I 370 00:10:17,069 --> 00:10:17,290 [Ian Landsman]: don't know 371 00:10:17,325 --> 00:10:17,577 [Aaron]: Yeah. 372 00:10:17,430 --> 00:10:23,133 [Ian Landsman]: seems different. So yeah, it's been great. How was your drive back? Because 373 00:10:23,153 --> 00:10:24,442 [Ian Landsman]: you were making the long haul there. 374 00:10:24,874 --> 00:10:31,035 [Aaron]: I was, yeah. Made the long haul, made it, made it back. Listened to book two of the 375 00:10:31,075 --> 00:10:33,316 [Aaron]: Three Body Problem trilogy, the 376 00:10:33,295 --> 00:10:33,336 [Ian Landsman]: I 377 00:10:33,376 --> 00:10:33,736 [Aaron]: entire 378 00:10:33,377 --> 00:10:33,968 [Ian Landsman]: wanna do that. 379 00:10:33,756 --> 00:10:37,137 [Aaron]: way. Incredible. It's so, so good. 380 00:10:37,199 --> 00:10:37,726 [Ian Landsman]: I'm excited 381 00:10:37,817 --> 00:10:40,638 [Aaron]: It is unlike any sci-fi book I've ever read. 382 00:10:41,429 --> 00:10:41,572 [Ian Landsman]: Hmm 383 00:10:42,198 --> 00:10:50,721 [Aaron]: So it's very, very good. And the second book has this, has this like, maybe literary 384 00:10:50,781 --> 00:10:57,294 [Aaron]: device that is extremely, it just, It keeps your mind spinning the entire time 385 00:10:57,374 --> 00:10:57,734 [Aaron]: of like, 386 00:10:57,594 --> 00:10:57,858 [Ian Landsman]: Hmm. 387 00:10:58,755 --> 00:11:02,696 [Aaron]: how would I, what would I do in this situation? How would I, it's like almost like 388 00:11:02,716 --> 00:11:06,377 [Aaron]: a logic puzzle that the characters are playing through. And 389 00:11:06,094 --> 00:11:06,635 [Ian Landsman]: Interesting. 390 00:11:06,677 --> 00:11:08,237 [Aaron]: it's very good. So, 391 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:08,581 [Ian Landsman]: Hmm. 392 00:11:08,577 --> 00:11:16,020 [Aaron]: highly recommended. I made two stops. I stopped in Cleveland again. And then I stopped 393 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:22,161 [Aaron]: in Little Rock, Arkansas, about four and a half hours from home. I thought I could 394 00:11:22,201 --> 00:11:26,965 [Aaron]: power through. But man, when you're driving and the sleepies hit, you don't wanna 395 00:11:26,833 --> 00:11:27,085 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 396 00:11:27,005 --> 00:11:30,957 [Aaron]: battle the sleepies on the road because it takes two seconds and you're gone. 397 00:11:31,478 --> 00:11:34,560 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, four hours is still, it's a pretty good hall of the power through 398 00:11:34,942 --> 00:11:35,325 [Aaron]: Yeah. 399 00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:39,063 [Ian Landsman]: extremes, tiredness. Yeah, that's a, that's a good stop. And you didn't have 400 00:11:39,083 --> 00:11:40,704 [Ian Landsman]: the kids and stuff with you. So it's like, 401 00:11:40,670 --> 00:11:40,950 [Aaron]: Right. 402 00:11:40,824 --> 00:11:42,585 [Ian Landsman]: uh, whatever, it just pop in and it's 403 00:11:42,652 --> 00:11:42,952 [Aaron]: Yeah. 404 00:11:42,745 --> 00:11:43,025 [Ian Landsman]: easy. 405 00:11:43,893 --> 00:11:50,440 [Aaron]: Yeah, exactly. So I'm back feeling much better being home in my space with a little 406 00:11:50,460 --> 00:11:56,387 [Aaron]: bit of routine. Kids start school, I think maybe next week. And life is going 407 00:11:56,407 --> 00:11:57,468 [Aaron]: to be totally different. 408 00:11:58,238 --> 00:12:01,659 [Ian Landsman]: know this has been like the worst summer ever in terms of like I had all 409 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,681 [Ian Landsman]: these plans for things I was gonna do this summer and just like the kids 410 00:12:05,701 --> 00:12:11,304 [Ian Landsman]: had so many activities it was just constant running around between three 411 00:12:11,324 --> 00:12:14,145 [Ian Landsman]: kids and only two adults and we're both every day like dropping somebody 412 00:12:14,245 --> 00:12:19,067 [Ian Landsman]: off picking somebody up or it was brutal and just so it's just so distracting 413 00:12:19,107 --> 00:12:22,409 [Ian Landsman]: obviously then when you're just taking out of your zone like one of the kids 414 00:12:22,449 --> 00:12:28,993 [Ian Landsman]: for every other Every other day for like three weeks had a two hour camp 415 00:12:29,033 --> 00:12:31,115 [Ian Landsman]: that was like noon to two or something, 416 00:12:30,934 --> 00:12:31,254 [Aaron]: That is 417 00:12:31,135 --> 00:12:31,516 [Ian Landsman]: just like 418 00:12:31,394 --> 00:12:32,416 [Aaron]: not enough. 419 00:12:31,876 --> 00:12:32,837 [Ian Landsman]: crazy stuff. 420 00:12:32,557 --> 00:12:33,238 [Aaron]: Two hours 421 00:12:32,857 --> 00:12:33,277 [Ian Landsman]: You know? 422 00:12:33,278 --> 00:12:33,378 [Aaron]: is 423 00:12:33,378 --> 00:12:33,658 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 424 00:12:33,438 --> 00:12:34,120 [Aaron]: not enough. 425 00:12:34,178 --> 00:12:34,779 [Ian Landsman]: It was crazy. 426 00:12:34,541 --> 00:12:36,584 [Aaron]: Like you barely make it home before you have to go 427 00:12:36,540 --> 00:12:36,801 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 428 00:12:36,605 --> 00:12:36,985 [Aaron]: back. 429 00:12:37,381 --> 00:12:43,367 [Ian Landsman]: Exactly. So my whole summer just totally blew up on my, um, productivity 430 00:12:43,407 --> 00:12:46,390 [Ian Landsman]: that I was expecting, but that's all right. We'll get everybody back in school 431 00:12:47,251 --> 00:12:49,813 [Ian Landsman]: and get back to the normal grind, which will be nice. 432 00:12:50,494 --> 00:12:54,248 [Aaron]: Yeah, exactly. You wanna do some follow ups? We have a 433 00:12:54,286 --> 00:12:55,547 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 434 00:12:54,308 --> 00:12:54,569 [Aaron]: few. 435 00:12:55,567 --> 00:13:00,090 [Ian Landsman]: let's do some follow up. All right, well the first one is, immediately after 436 00:13:00,110 --> 00:13:06,416 [Ian Landsman]: the last episode, Nuno wrote back that in Volt, you can actually put the 437 00:13:06,436 --> 00:13:09,638 [Ian Landsman]: blade template on the top of the file. So if you haven't seen Volt, it's 438 00:13:09,698 --> 00:13:15,844 [Ian Landsman]: a single page livewire blade file combo package. And so you can put the 439 00:13:15,864 --> 00:13:21,348 [Ian Landsman]: blade file on top and then the PHP livewire logic on the bottom, which also 440 00:13:21,388 --> 00:13:29,637 [Ian Landsman]: then lets you... get rid of the PHP tag then. So, because you don't need 441 00:13:29,657 --> 00:13:30,958 [Ian Landsman]: the ending PHP tag, you start 442 00:13:30,955 --> 00:13:31,222 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 443 00:13:30,978 --> 00:13:34,963 [Ian Landsman]: the PHP tag after the bleed template. I don't know, what do you think about 444 00:13:34,983 --> 00:13:36,265 [Ian Landsman]: this? I tried it out, I wasn't 445 00:13:36,106 --> 00:13:37,527 [Aaron]: Love 446 00:13:36,325 --> 00:13:37,626 [Ian Landsman]: sure, I don't know. I think 447 00:13:37,547 --> 00:13:39,008 [Aaron]: it. 448 00:13:37,686 --> 00:13:39,308 [Ian Landsman]: I like it, but it's sort 449 00:13:39,348 --> 00:13:39,388 [Aaron]: I 450 00:13:39,348 --> 00:13:39,448 [Ian Landsman]: of, 451 00:13:39,428 --> 00:13:40,309 [Aaron]: love it because that's the 452 00:13:40,269 --> 00:13:40,349 [Ian Landsman]: it's 453 00:13:40,329 --> 00:13:40,469 [Aaron]: way 454 00:13:40,369 --> 00:13:40,510 [Ian Landsman]: kind of 455 00:13:40,489 --> 00:13:40,589 [Aaron]: that 456 00:13:40,530 --> 00:13:40,650 [Ian Landsman]: like 457 00:13:40,649 --> 00:13:40,689 [Aaron]: I 458 00:13:40,690 --> 00:13:40,990 [Ian Landsman]: Vue, 459 00:13:40,729 --> 00:13:41,029 [Aaron]: do my 460 00:13:41,030 --> 00:13:41,290 [Ian Landsman]: right? 461 00:13:41,109 --> 00:13:42,170 [Aaron]: view single file 462 00:13:41,991 --> 00:13:42,432 [Ian Landsman]: Right, 463 00:13:42,190 --> 00:13:42,710 [Aaron]: components 464 00:13:42,652 --> 00:13:42,892 [Ian Landsman]: yeah. 465 00:13:42,770 --> 00:13:46,753 [Aaron]: is I would always put the template tag at the top and the script tag at the bottom. 466 00:13:47,234 --> 00:13:52,517 [Aaron]: And now people are coming into my space and telling me I gotta do script setup and 467 00:13:52,537 --> 00:13:57,981 [Aaron]: I gotta put script setup and do the composition API and nah man. I put the template 468 00:13:58,001 --> 00:13:58,522 [Aaron]: at the top, 469 00:13:58,526 --> 00:13:59,682 [Ian Landsman]: Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe 470 00:13:58,582 --> 00:14:03,665 [Aaron]: the script at the bottom. So this for Volt, this feels good to me. 471 00:14:04,314 --> 00:14:06,939 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, people seem very excited about that tweet. So if you don't know about 472 00:14:06,979 --> 00:14:11,569 [Ian Landsman]: that and you've been trying to give that a shot and see how you like it, 473 00:14:11,589 --> 00:14:15,397 [Ian Landsman]: all right, we have another one, right? 474 00:14:15,658 --> 00:14:21,381 [Aaron]: Yep, we got another one. On the first episode, we talked about how Tobias' indexing 475 00:14:21,421 --> 00:14:26,165 [Aaron]: book, his landing page, was really, really beautiful. And turns out it's the same 476 00:14:26,225 --> 00:14:29,387 [Aaron]: designer that has done all the new filament stuff. And I think he's full time 477 00:14:29,427 --> 00:14:30,307 [Aaron]: on the filament team 478 00:14:30,075 --> 00:14:30,218 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm. 479 00:14:30,347 --> 00:14:36,912 [Aaron]: now. His name is Hassan Zaharina. Close. I definitely know it's Hassan. We'll put the 480 00:14:36,952 --> 00:14:43,029 [Aaron]: link to his website in the show notes. But he's done the sushi landing page, which 481 00:14:43,129 --> 00:14:48,735 [Aaron]: is Caleb Porzio's array driver for Eloquent. He's done Tobias' indexing book, 482 00:14:48,775 --> 00:14:53,239 [Aaron]: he's done filament, so he's done all kinds of great stuff. And I've seen him around 483 00:14:53,340 --> 00:14:56,383 [Aaron]: the community a lot, I just didn't know that he did Tobias' book, so I wanted 484 00:14:56,403 --> 00:14:58,985 [Aaron]: to follow up with that and give him a shout out for that. 485 00:15:00,254 --> 00:15:03,957 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, his work's really interesting. I like it's kind of fresh and different. And 486 00:15:03,977 --> 00:15:04,438 [Ian Landsman]: I always like 487 00:15:04,421 --> 00:15:04,502 [Aaron]: It 488 00:15:04,458 --> 00:15:04,698 [Ian Landsman]: having 489 00:15:04,523 --> 00:15:04,829 [Aaron]: is kind of 490 00:15:04,798 --> 00:15:05,439 [Ian Landsman]: designers 491 00:15:04,849 --> 00:15:05,440 [Aaron]: fresh, right? 492 00:15:05,899 --> 00:15:10,223 [Ian Landsman]: in the mix, new designers in the mix, designers in the Laravel sort of family 493 00:15:09,791 --> 00:15:10,138 [Aaron]: Yeah. 494 00:15:10,283 --> 00:15:14,707 [Ian Landsman]: and sphere is always good to have. And yeah, the Susie Page stands out a 495 00:15:14,727 --> 00:15:16,629 [Ian Landsman]: lot for sure and the new filament 496 00:15:16,258 --> 00:15:17,760 [Aaron]: I feel like 497 00:15:16,649 --> 00:15:17,129 [Ian Landsman]: site is great. 498 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:24,326 [Aaron]: his design is a little bit more fun and lively. It's a little bit bubbly. 499 00:15:24,060 --> 00:15:24,312 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 500 00:15:24,827 --> 00:15:29,232 [Aaron]: And it's really, really good. I just love that everyone has a different. This is 501 00:15:29,272 --> 00:15:34,737 [Aaron]: very different than the stuff that the Tailwind Labs team puts out. And I like 502 00:15:34,777 --> 00:15:38,521 [Aaron]: that. They're both good, but I like that this is a little bit more fun and bubbly. 503 00:15:39,746 --> 00:15:42,969 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, yeah, a little different. The colors, colors too are definitely kind 504 00:15:42,989 --> 00:15:43,950 [Ian Landsman]: of not your standard. 505 00:15:44,523 --> 00:15:44,686 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm 506 00:15:45,092 --> 00:15:49,296 [Ian Landsman]: You know, what's going, what's hot lately of it's black and white or it's, 507 00:15:49,310 --> 00:15:49,570 [Aaron]: Yeah, 508 00:15:49,516 --> 00:15:49,977 [Ian Landsman]: you know, 509 00:15:50,272 --> 00:15:51,956 [Aaron]: BG blue to BG purple 510 00:15:51,939 --> 00:15:52,459 [Ian Landsman]: right. 511 00:15:52,017 --> 00:15:52,979 [Aaron]: gradient. Yeah. 512 00:15:53,540 --> 00:15:58,005 [Ian Landsman]: That kind of thing. Like, so a little, little different there stands 513 00:15:57,718 --> 00:15:58,138 [Aaron]: So if, 514 00:15:58,105 --> 00:15:58,225 [Ian Landsman]: out. 515 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:04,365 [Aaron]: as a reminder, if you wanna get, shout it out to upwards of 15 to 20 people, send 516 00:16:04,926 --> 00:16:06,347 [Aaron]: us mail. We have mailbag, 517 00:16:05,950 --> 00:16:06,801 [Ian Landsman]: Hey! 518 00:16:07,709 --> 00:16:12,795 [Aaron]: we will read it out on the air. So I forget where to send it, so I'm gonna throw 519 00:16:12,815 --> 00:16:14,897 [Aaron]: it over to Ian. Where do people send their mail? 520 00:16:15,670 --> 00:16:18,353 [Ian Landsman]: Uh, mostly technical pod at gmail.com. 521 00:16:18,994 --> 00:16:19,874 [Aaron]: Oh good, 522 00:16:19,715 --> 00:16:20,256 [Ian Landsman]: I believe 523 00:16:19,894 --> 00:16:20,975 [Aaron]: that was, I put you on 524 00:16:20,977 --> 00:16:21,177 [Ian Landsman]: pretty 525 00:16:21,015 --> 00:16:21,436 [Aaron]: the spot, 526 00:16:21,217 --> 00:16:21,517 [Ian Landsman]: sure. 527 00:16:21,476 --> 00:16:23,537 [Aaron]: that was perfect, yeah. Pretty 528 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:23,580 [Ian Landsman]: Pretty 529 00:16:23,577 --> 00:16:24,098 [Aaron]: sure. 530 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:24,901 [Ian Landsman]: sure that's true. I'm pretty 531 00:16:24,858 --> 00:16:25,339 [Aaron]: Also, 532 00:16:24,941 --> 00:16:25,282 [Ian Landsman]: sure 533 00:16:25,739 --> 00:16:26,039 [Aaron]: also 534 00:16:25,763 --> 00:16:26,083 [Ian Landsman]: it'll be in 535 00:16:26,099 --> 00:16:26,580 [Aaron]: Twitter. 536 00:16:26,123 --> 00:16:26,904 [Ian Landsman]: the show notes for 537 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:27,160 [Aaron]: Yeah, 538 00:16:26,944 --> 00:16:27,345 [Ian Landsman]: sure. 539 00:16:27,180 --> 00:16:27,420 [Aaron]: it'll be 540 00:16:27,425 --> 00:16:27,605 [Ian Landsman]: So 541 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:27,781 [Aaron]: in the show 542 00:16:27,625 --> 00:16:27,825 [Ian Landsman]: just 543 00:16:27,821 --> 00:16:28,661 [Aaron]: notes for sure, for 544 00:16:28,606 --> 00:16:28,886 [Ian Landsman]: check 545 00:16:28,721 --> 00:16:28,961 [Aaron]: sure. 546 00:16:28,906 --> 00:16:31,229 [Ian Landsman]: there just in case, but I'm pretty sure that's correct. 547 00:16:31,686 --> 00:16:33,810 [Aaron]: Yeah, that sounds right. So thanks for 548 00:16:33,810 --> 00:16:33,951 [Ian Landsman]: We'll 549 00:16:33,830 --> 00:16:33,990 [Aaron]: those 550 00:16:33,971 --> 00:16:34,072 [Ian Landsman]: get 551 00:16:34,030 --> 00:16:34,611 [Aaron]: followups. 552 00:16:34,112 --> 00:16:34,596 [Ian Landsman]: this down. 553 00:16:35,172 --> 00:16:37,697 [Aaron]: Yeah. All right, where do you wanna go next? 554 00:16:39,138 --> 00:16:42,184 [Ian Landsman]: Well, we'll go into Laravel stuff a little bit earlier. How about that? 555 00:16:42,264 --> 00:16:43,507 [Ian Landsman]: Let's say we get some under our belt. 556 00:16:43,366 --> 00:16:43,731 [Aaron]: Wow. 557 00:16:43,948 --> 00:16:44,749 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah 558 00:16:44,116 --> 00:16:44,603 [Aaron]: Yeah. 559 00:16:44,930 --> 00:16:47,755 [Ian Landsman]: Something different We got this lift package 560 00:16:48,726 --> 00:16:54,636 [Aaron]: Yeah, so I saw this. Tell me, one, tell me what it is, and then tell me your opinions 561 00:16:54,717 --> 00:16:55,057 [Aaron]: on it. 562 00:16:56,250 --> 00:17:00,097 [Ian Landsman]: Um, hold on. Let me just get, see what we're doing. You get to watch us run 563 00:17:00,137 --> 00:17:06,968 [Ian Landsman]: the show here because I want to have Uh it up in front of me. Why is this 564 00:17:06,988 --> 00:17:07,449 [Ian Landsman]: not working? 565 00:17:11,186 --> 00:17:15,308 [Ian Landsman]: vacation podcasting is not ideal. 566 00:17:17,534 --> 00:17:20,157 [Aaron]: We're talking Wendell Adriel's Laravel 567 00:17:19,986 --> 00:17:20,246 [Ian Landsman]: That's what 568 00:17:20,197 --> 00:17:22,320 [Aaron]: lift. 569 00:17:20,266 --> 00:17:22,427 [Ian Landsman]: I'm looking for. See, you got the 570 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:22,680 [Aaron]: Hey, 571 00:17:22,467 --> 00:17:22,747 [Ian Landsman]: name. 572 00:17:22,740 --> 00:17:22,820 [Aaron]: I 573 00:17:22,787 --> 00:17:23,047 [Ian Landsman]: I wanted 574 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:23,181 [Aaron]: got 575 00:17:23,087 --> 00:17:23,387 [Ian Landsman]: his last 576 00:17:23,261 --> 00:17:23,421 [Aaron]: it. 577 00:17:23,427 --> 00:17:23,608 [Ian Landsman]: name. 578 00:17:23,481 --> 00:17:23,701 [Aaron]: Come 579 00:17:23,648 --> 00:17:23,888 [Ian Landsman]: I knew it's 580 00:17:23,902 --> 00:17:24,122 [Aaron]: on. 581 00:17:23,908 --> 00:17:26,149 [Ian Landsman]: Wendell. I was thinking about his Wendell, but not, not... 582 00:17:25,884 --> 00:17:28,027 [Aaron]: You didn't know it was Wendell. I knew it was Wendell. 583 00:17:27,850 --> 00:17:28,851 [Ian Landsman]: I knew it was Wendell, 584 00:17:28,407 --> 00:17:28,848 [Aaron]: You're you're 585 00:17:28,871 --> 00:17:29,011 [Ian Landsman]: but 586 00:17:28,888 --> 00:17:30,850 [Aaron]: over there fumbling in the in the messy 587 00:17:30,692 --> 00:17:31,192 [Ian Landsman]: I know. 588 00:17:30,890 --> 00:17:31,351 [Aaron]: room. You 589 00:17:31,292 --> 00:17:31,512 [Ian Landsman]: All 590 00:17:31,371 --> 00:17:33,554 [Aaron]: don't know anything. OK, you have 591 00:17:33,473 --> 00:17:33,713 [Ian Landsman]: right, 592 00:17:33,594 --> 00:17:33,774 [Aaron]: it. 593 00:17:33,753 --> 00:17:34,054 [Ian Landsman]: so 594 00:17:33,814 --> 00:17:36,277 [Aaron]: You have the GitHub pulled up. 595 00:17:35,114 --> 00:17:36,815 [Ian Landsman]: I've got it. So yeah, so Wendell's 596 00:17:36,377 --> 00:17:36,557 [Aaron]: OK. 597 00:17:36,835 --> 00:17:40,477 [Ian Landsman]: package. Wendell, just a great name, by the way. I don't 598 00:17:40,610 --> 00:17:40,850 [Aaron]: Great 599 00:17:40,617 --> 00:17:40,957 [Ian Landsman]: think I've ever 600 00:17:40,870 --> 00:17:41,091 [Aaron]: name. 601 00:17:40,998 --> 00:17:42,258 [Ian Landsman]: met a Wendell in person, 602 00:17:42,033 --> 00:17:42,274 [Aaron]: No, 603 00:17:42,318 --> 00:17:42,498 [Ian Landsman]: but 604 00:17:42,494 --> 00:17:42,735 [Aaron]: great 605 00:17:42,538 --> 00:17:42,899 [Ian Landsman]: I love 606 00:17:42,755 --> 00:17:42,976 [Aaron]: name. 607 00:17:42,939 --> 00:17:43,399 [Ian Landsman]: that name. 608 00:17:43,758 --> 00:17:45,121 [Aaron]: Congrats, Wendell, great name. 609 00:17:45,100 --> 00:17:47,561 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, yeah, he hit the lottery of the... 610 00:17:47,786 --> 00:17:48,310 [Aaron]: Yeah, 611 00:17:48,174 --> 00:17:48,714 [Ian Landsman]: the naming, 612 00:17:48,512 --> 00:17:49,037 [Aaron]: seriously. 613 00:17:48,754 --> 00:17:53,197 [Ian Landsman]: parents did a good job there. Yeah, so Lyft is this kind of crazy package 614 00:17:53,637 --> 00:17:59,501 [Ian Landsman]: that lets you define a whole bunch of stuff about eloquent models with attributes. 615 00:17:59,821 --> 00:18:00,142 [Ian Landsman]: And 616 00:18:00,378 --> 00:18:00,600 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 617 00:18:00,822 --> 00:18:03,324 [Ian Landsman]: I just have a lot of thoughts here, but 618 00:18:03,214 --> 00:18:05,074 [Aaron]: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 619 00:18:04,084 --> 00:18:07,186 [Ian Landsman]: a lot of thoughts. But first of all, before we even get into the package, 620 00:18:08,067 --> 00:18:10,268 [Ian Landsman]: what's your just general take on attributes 621 00:18:10,686 --> 00:18:11,408 [Aaron]: Yeah, see, 622 00:18:11,209 --> 00:18:11,669 [Ian Landsman]: in PHP? 623 00:18:12,109 --> 00:18:14,155 [Aaron]: this is where we're gonna end up. 624 00:18:14,863 --> 00:18:14,905 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 625 00:18:16,361 --> 00:18:19,669 [Aaron]: You know, Ian, I don't love him. I really don't. 626 00:18:19,459 --> 00:18:21,640 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, that was my take initially as well. 627 00:18:22,322 --> 00:18:25,644 [Aaron]: Initially, wow, this is a setup for conflict that makes good 628 00:18:25,586 --> 00:18:26,255 [Ian Landsman]: Possibly, 629 00:18:25,684 --> 00:18:26,785 [Aaron]: radio. So 630 00:18:26,762 --> 00:18:27,248 [Ian Landsman]: possibly. 631 00:18:27,505 --> 00:18:34,390 [Aaron]: here's the thing, one, I'm not familiar with them. And so I'm super aware that what 632 00:18:34,631 --> 00:18:41,836 [Aaron]: looks good to me is 70% what I'm familiar with. And I think that that's everybody. And 633 00:18:41,896 --> 00:18:47,600 [Aaron]: so I'm looking at all of these attributes. Even back in the day for a hot minute, there 634 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:52,564 [Aaron]: was, let's do all of our routing. by putting little attributes over the controller 635 00:18:52,604 --> 00:18:54,465 [Aaron]: methods. And I was like, no way, 636 00:18:54,542 --> 00:18:54,763 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 637 00:18:54,605 --> 00:18:55,205 [Aaron]: I hate that, 638 00:18:54,965 --> 00:18:55,347 [Ian Landsman]: no, I don't 639 00:18:55,245 --> 00:18:55,646 [Aaron]: hideous. 640 00:18:55,448 --> 00:18:57,118 [Ian Landsman]: know that's a terrible idea. 641 00:18:57,327 --> 00:19:07,694 [Aaron]: Yeah, so hated that. Attributes in general still seem foreign to me. And I think 642 00:19:07,794 --> 00:19:14,678 [Aaron]: part of what I don't like about it is it feels like, man, it feels, maybe it feels 643 00:19:14,699 --> 00:19:18,381 [Aaron]: like you scatter one thing that used to be centralized into a bunch of different 644 00:19:18,401 --> 00:19:21,995 [Aaron]: places. like the routing is a good example. I like to have a routes file. I don't 645 00:19:22,015 --> 00:19:25,276 [Aaron]: want to have like my route definitions littered all over the place. 646 00:19:25,573 --> 00:19:25,802 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm. 647 00:19:25,936 --> 00:19:33,920 [Aaron]: Um, and I also, maybe this is a knowledge gap. I don't fully know how they work and what 648 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,462 [Aaron]: all can be influenced. And I don't think I would remember to check like, Oh, you 649 00:19:38,482 --> 00:19:43,604 [Aaron]: got to go check the annotation or the, or the attribute or whatever. And so I don't 650 00:19:43,624 --> 00:19:50,195 [Aaron]: know. And he's the, you can like pass arguments. And so then you're like, I don't 651 00:19:50,215 --> 00:19:50,717 [Aaron]: know. Okay, 652 00:19:51,024 --> 00:19:51,494 [Ian Landsman]: Hahaha 653 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,817 [Aaron]: that, yeah, I'll stop there. Tell me your journey with attributes. 654 00:19:56,334 --> 00:19:59,476 [Ian Landsman]: Well, I haven't had like the full journey yet, I guess, but I definitely 655 00:19:59,556 --> 00:20:02,398 [Ian Landsman]: didn't like when people were trying to do it with the annotations and like, 656 00:20:02,438 --> 00:20:04,560 [Ian Landsman]: it's like a comment that has all the stuff 657 00:20:04,525 --> 00:20:04,777 [Aaron]: Yes. 658 00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:07,723 [Ian Landsman]: in it. Like I hate the comments with the stuff in it. I don't want to comment 659 00:20:07,610 --> 00:20:07,891 [Aaron]: Oh, so 660 00:20:07,763 --> 00:20:08,103 [Ian Landsman]: at all. 661 00:20:07,911 --> 00:20:08,091 [Aaron]: like 662 00:20:08,243 --> 00:20:08,603 [Ian Landsman]: And I don't 663 00:20:08,573 --> 00:20:10,318 [Aaron]: the 664 00:20:08,623 --> 00:20:09,624 [Ian Landsman]: want comments with stuff in it. 665 00:20:10,338 --> 00:20:12,003 [Aaron]: PHP Doc Blocks, that version? 666 00:20:11,646 --> 00:20:12,506 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. Like I don't 667 00:20:12,465 --> 00:20:12,685 [Aaron]: Okay. 668 00:20:12,526 --> 00:20:15,529 [Ian Landsman]: like DocBlocks in general. And I don't like, I mean, at some point there was 669 00:20:15,569 --> 00:20:18,671 [Ian Landsman]: something you do in there, right? And like the IDE 670 00:20:18,658 --> 00:20:18,902 [Aaron]: Yep. 671 00:20:18,691 --> 00:20:20,953 [Ian Landsman]: would like do certain stuff with it or whatever. It was like, even like 672 00:20:20,993 --> 00:20:23,843 [Ian Landsman]: type. management stuff like that, which obviously is a common use case, 673 00:20:23,863 --> 00:20:27,965 [Ian Landsman]: but I just hate that. I don't like the syntax. It's so it's a big like eyesore 674 00:20:27,985 --> 00:20:32,748 [Ian Landsman]: in your way of reading the code. So I definitely prefer this over those, but 675 00:20:33,609 --> 00:20:36,530 [Ian Landsman]: I agree. Like when I first saw the attributes in general, I was like, I don't 676 00:20:36,550 --> 00:20:41,193 [Ian Landsman]: know. But here and there, there's been more use cases like LiveWire uses them 677 00:20:41,213 --> 00:20:42,254 [Ian Landsman]: pretty heavily in LiveWire 678 00:20:42,286 --> 00:20:42,387 [Aaron]: They 679 00:20:42,294 --> 00:20:42,894 [Ian Landsman]: 3. 680 00:20:42,427 --> 00:20:42,528 [Aaron]: do. 681 00:20:43,214 --> 00:20:48,257 [Ian Landsman]: A lot of the spaddy packages use them now in different ways and kind of 682 00:20:49,478 --> 00:20:52,518 [Ian Landsman]: I'm kind of seeing it. I mean, there's definitely the big limitation is that 683 00:20:52,538 --> 00:20:55,179 [Ian Landsman]: you can't like do anything dynamic in them. And that does 684 00:20:55,221 --> 00:20:55,363 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 685 00:20:55,279 --> 00:21:00,821 [Ian Landsman]: sometimes cause some oddities like with translation 686 00:21:00,610 --> 00:21:00,712 [Aaron]: Hmm. 687 00:21:00,861 --> 00:21:04,342 [Ian Landsman]: strings and things like that where like you need to be able to do something 688 00:21:04,462 --> 00:21:07,983 [Ian Landsman]: dynamically. So there are some, like even in this package, 689 00:21:08,935 --> 00:21:09,077 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 690 00:21:09,063 --> 00:21:14,605 [Ian Landsman]: like if you use it for a rule and you pass a string, like you can't translate 691 00:21:14,625 --> 00:21:17,266 [Ian Landsman]: that string. So if you want to override 692 00:21:16,939 --> 00:21:17,330 [Aaron]: Got 693 00:21:17,306 --> 00:21:17,406 [Ian Landsman]: like 694 00:21:17,391 --> 00:21:17,535 [Aaron]: it. 695 00:21:17,426 --> 00:21:21,769 [Ian Landsman]: the rules message, you have no way to translate it. Um, which 696 00:21:21,666 --> 00:21:21,956 [Aaron]: Got 697 00:21:21,789 --> 00:21:22,269 [Ian Landsman]: is semi 698 00:21:22,039 --> 00:21:22,143 [Aaron]: it. 699 00:21:22,329 --> 00:21:25,751 [Ian Landsman]: edge case, but there's a fair amount of apps that are translated. So there 700 00:21:25,771 --> 00:21:26,431 [Ian Landsman]: are, there is stuff like 701 00:21:26,370 --> 00:21:26,451 [Aaron]: Hmm. 702 00:21:26,451 --> 00:21:29,853 [Ian Landsman]: that, but I don't know for, for eloquent, I do kind of feel like this is 703 00:21:29,893 --> 00:21:33,815 [Ian Landsman]: pretty interesting because it's like, instead of looking three or four or five 704 00:21:33,855 --> 00:21:38,098 [Ian Landsman]: places in the file for different configurations, I can just 705 00:21:37,939 --> 00:21:38,305 [Aaron]: Yeah. 706 00:21:38,138 --> 00:21:42,180 [Ian Landsman]: see them all here and they're like, so it's sort of like a, in that way, 707 00:21:42,420 --> 00:21:46,235 [Ian Landsman]: like a routes file, it's like, I can just go to this one place. and see 708 00:21:46,010 --> 00:21:46,493 [Aaron]: Oh man, 709 00:21:46,475 --> 00:21:47,297 [Ian Landsman]: everything applied 710 00:21:47,056 --> 00:21:47,439 [Aaron]: you got 711 00:21:47,317 --> 00:21:47,517 [Ian Landsman]: to the 712 00:21:47,479 --> 00:21:47,579 [Aaron]: me. 713 00:21:47,577 --> 00:21:52,446 [Ian Landsman]: name instead of going to like the different methods that do the relationship 714 00:21:52,486 --> 00:21:55,151 [Ian Landsman]: and then do the type and like whatever, do the rule 715 00:21:54,742 --> 00:21:55,184 [Aaron]: Okay, so give 716 00:21:55,171 --> 00:21:55,231 [Ian Landsman]: and 717 00:21:55,225 --> 00:21:55,325 [Aaron]: us 718 00:21:55,251 --> 00:21:55,332 [Ian Landsman]: like 719 00:21:55,345 --> 00:21:55,365 [Aaron]: a 720 00:21:55,392 --> 00:21:55,452 [Ian Landsman]: all 721 00:21:55,426 --> 00:21:55,607 [Aaron]: two 722 00:21:55,472 --> 00:21:55,772 [Ian Landsman]: this stuff. 723 00:21:55,647 --> 00:21:58,585 [Aaron]: second overview of what's happening in this package so people know. 724 00:21:59,374 --> 00:22:04,378 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, so in the package, a lot of the stuff you can define in Eloquent already 725 00:22:04,778 --> 00:22:10,562 [Ian Landsman]: through like methods or different ways like that. You can or like in properties 726 00:22:10,583 --> 00:22:14,426 [Ian Landsman]: like fillable, the fillable property and things like that. You can just 727 00:22:14,466 --> 00:22:20,906 [Ian Landsman]: do as attributes right next to the public property. So. you can just have 728 00:22:20,946 --> 00:22:23,687 [Ian Landsman]: that it's fillable. It's like a fillable attribute. And then there's a cast 729 00:22:23,707 --> 00:22:26,347 [Ian Landsman]: attribute if you want to cast it. So these aren't, you don't have to put 730 00:22:26,407 --> 00:22:32,869 [Ian Landsman]: this name property in the fillable array. And then again, in the cast thing. And 731 00:22:32,909 --> 00:22:36,270 [Ian Landsman]: then if you have a relationship based 732 00:22:36,249 --> 00:22:36,373 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 733 00:22:36,350 --> 00:22:40,391 [Ian Landsman]: on it, it can, that could be defined here. So you can have all these things 734 00:22:40,431 --> 00:22:45,313 [Ian Landsman]: in one spot. You can have your validation rules there. So you don't have like 735 00:22:45,333 --> 00:22:50,447 [Ian Landsman]: the separate rules array and all that. So it's interesting. I don't, so 736 00:22:51,027 --> 00:22:53,689 [Ian Landsman]: I haven't even used it yet. I've just been sort of following along and 737 00:22:53,809 --> 00:22:55,851 [Ian Landsman]: every day he's kind of adding new 738 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:56,225 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 739 00:22:57,192 --> 00:23:03,296 [Ian Landsman]: attributes. But I feel like there's something here. I wouldn't mind, there's 740 00:23:03,316 --> 00:23:06,959 [Ian Landsman]: like a technique I like to call something being outwelled. I wouldn't 741 00:23:06,954 --> 00:23:08,799 [Aaron]: Huh? 742 00:23:06,999 --> 00:23:10,381 [Ian Landsman]: mind it maybe being outwelled by the man himself because, you 743 00:23:10,363 --> 00:23:10,524 [Aaron]: Ha 744 00:23:10,401 --> 00:23:10,661 [Ian Landsman]: know, he 745 00:23:10,544 --> 00:23:10,584 [Aaron]: ha 746 00:23:10,721 --> 00:23:13,283 [Ian Landsman]: always has a great vision on interfaces 747 00:23:12,770 --> 00:23:13,131 [Aaron]: Yeah He does 748 00:23:13,363 --> 00:23:14,064 [Ian Landsman]: and APIs 749 00:23:13,592 --> 00:23:13,933 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm 750 00:23:14,084 --> 00:23:18,747 [Ian Landsman]: and things. And so... There's probably some stuff he might be able to, uh, 751 00:23:19,968 --> 00:23:23,590 [Ian Landsman]: do here, but I don't know. I feel like there is something here because that 752 00:23:23,610 --> 00:23:27,373 [Ian Landsman]: is always one of the things that in a big eloquent file does get a little 753 00:23:27,413 --> 00:23:28,554 [Ian Landsman]: bit annoying. 754 00:23:28,308 --> 00:23:28,532 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm 755 00:23:28,594 --> 00:23:32,657 [Ian Landsman]: That it's like, okay, I have this, you know, property I need to like check 756 00:23:32,697 --> 00:23:38,501 [Ian Landsman]: in 10 places, like where all it's doing and whatnot. And so, I don't know, 757 00:23:38,521 --> 00:23:42,143 [Ian Landsman]: having this one place to have everything defined about it is, is kind of 758 00:23:42,163 --> 00:23:43,984 [Ian Landsman]: intriguing. But you're, 759 00:23:43,914 --> 00:23:44,174 [Aaron]: Yeah. 760 00:23:44,024 --> 00:23:46,571 [Ian Landsman]: you're not, you're not buying it yet. You're not 761 00:23:46,535 --> 00:23:46,635 [Aaron]: I'm 762 00:23:46,611 --> 00:23:46,731 [Ian Landsman]: in. 763 00:23:46,675 --> 00:23:52,138 [Aaron]: not sold. And the only reason I'm not sold is because of... is truly because of my 764 00:23:53,900 --> 00:24:01,564 [Aaron]: distaste on the strong side and not being familiar on the kind side of annotations 765 00:24:01,624 --> 00:24:02,225 [Aaron]: or whatever they're 766 00:24:02,237 --> 00:24:02,447 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 767 00:24:02,245 --> 00:24:08,028 [Aaron]: called. So one thing I do like is that we're still exploring. Like, I love 768 00:24:07,814 --> 00:24:08,056 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 769 00:24:08,048 --> 00:24:13,912 [Aaron]: that Wendell did this because... There can be, I think, sometimes like a sense that 770 00:24:14,652 --> 00:24:16,934 [Aaron]: Laravel is almost complete 771 00:24:17,487 --> 00:24:17,691 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 772 00:24:17,554 --> 00:24:23,238 [Aaron]: and we're lucky for that. But this is this is a good like, hey, I've got an opinion 773 00:24:23,358 --> 00:24:26,701 [Aaron]: and the opinion is, you know, I want to use annotations. And I think I'm going to 774 00:24:26,721 --> 00:24:33,246 [Aaron]: try to pull it off. Love that. Absolutely love that. I'm not yet sold on the language 775 00:24:33,326 --> 00:24:33,906 [Aaron]: feature 776 00:24:34,691 --> 00:24:34,955 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm 777 00:24:34,827 --> 00:24:38,709 [Aaron]: yet. And so that makes this package be something that I look at and I'm like, ah. 778 00:24:38,922 --> 00:24:43,905 [Aaron]: I don't want to do that. This is kind of the same way I feel about super strong types. 779 00:24:44,366 --> 00:24:45,066 [Aaron]: Like if somebody were to 780 00:24:45,007 --> 00:24:45,250 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 781 00:24:45,106 --> 00:24:50,030 [Aaron]: tell me, oh, you could add this package, you could use PHP stand level nine and get 782 00:24:50,190 --> 00:24:52,992 [Aaron]: super strict typing. It's like, I don't really want to do that. 783 00:24:54,005 --> 00:24:54,311 [Ian Landsman]: Hahaha 784 00:24:54,173 --> 00:25:00,037 [Aaron]: I'm not super interested in that. But I do like anything in the eloquent space and 785 00:25:00,077 --> 00:25:05,521 [Aaron]: I do like that we're still trying to push the ball forward. But yeah, I can see. 786 00:25:05,994 --> 00:25:09,978 [Aaron]: Like I can see people are really gonna like this, especially people that like annotations. 787 00:25:09,998 --> 00:25:12,681 [Aaron]: Are they annotations or attributes? What are they actually 788 00:25:12,478 --> 00:25:13,018 [Ian Landsman]: No, 789 00:25:12,721 --> 00:25:13,021 [Aaron]: called? 790 00:25:13,038 --> 00:25:15,078 [Ian Landsman]: am I calling them annotations? Maybe that, yeah, I think 791 00:25:15,083 --> 00:25:15,103 [Aaron]: I 792 00:25:15,098 --> 00:25:15,198 [Ian Landsman]: they 793 00:25:15,123 --> 00:25:15,283 [Aaron]: think 794 00:25:15,218 --> 00:25:15,879 [Ian Landsman]: are attributes. 795 00:25:15,384 --> 00:25:16,565 [Aaron]: I was calling them attributes, 796 00:25:16,059 --> 00:25:16,579 [Ian Landsman]: Yes, I mean, 797 00:25:16,585 --> 00:25:17,946 [Aaron]: but I think they're annotations. 798 00:25:18,679 --> 00:25:18,859 [Ian Landsman]: no, 799 00:25:18,887 --> 00:25:18,987 [Aaron]: No, 800 00:25:18,919 --> 00:25:19,060 [Ian Landsman]: it's 801 00:25:19,007 --> 00:25:19,148 [Aaron]: is it 802 00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:19,660 [Ian Landsman]: attributes. 803 00:25:19,168 --> 00:25:19,848 [Aaron]: the other way around? 804 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:20,360 [Ian Landsman]: Yes, 805 00:25:20,229 --> 00:25:20,909 [Aaron]: It's attributes. 806 00:25:20,420 --> 00:25:23,281 [Ian Landsman]: it's attributes. I think we got ourselves mixed up there in the beginning, 807 00:25:23,321 --> 00:25:24,081 [Ian Landsman]: but it's attributes, 808 00:25:23,654 --> 00:25:23,997 [Aaron]: Okay. 809 00:25:24,121 --> 00:25:25,602 [Ian Landsman]: yes. Yeah, 810 00:25:25,064 --> 00:25:26,453 [Aaron]: Yeah, well, that's confusing. 811 00:25:27,002 --> 00:25:28,803 [Ian Landsman]: well, it's so new. We don't even know what to call these 812 00:25:28,758 --> 00:25:28,838 [Aaron]: We 813 00:25:28,823 --> 00:25:29,083 [Ian Landsman]: things. 814 00:25:28,878 --> 00:25:30,520 [Aaron]: don't, yeah exactly. How am I supposed 815 00:25:30,383 --> 00:25:30,643 [Ian Landsman]: It's so 816 00:25:30,540 --> 00:25:30,760 [Aaron]: to like 817 00:25:30,703 --> 00:25:30,823 [Ian Landsman]: new, 818 00:25:30,780 --> 00:25:31,000 [Aaron]: something? 819 00:25:30,863 --> 00:25:31,123 [Ian Landsman]: it's like 820 00:25:31,020 --> 00:25:31,160 [Aaron]: I don't 821 00:25:31,163 --> 00:25:31,323 [Ian Landsman]: three 822 00:25:31,180 --> 00:25:31,361 [Aaron]: even know 823 00:25:31,343 --> 00:25:31,523 [Ian Landsman]: years 824 00:25:31,381 --> 00:25:31,801 [Aaron]: what it is. 825 00:25:31,623 --> 00:25:32,484 [Ian Landsman]: old, but you know, 826 00:25:32,462 --> 00:25:32,662 [Aaron]: Yeah, 827 00:25:32,764 --> 00:25:33,364 [Ian Landsman]: we don't know what to 828 00:25:33,283 --> 00:25:33,583 [Aaron]: yeah, 829 00:25:33,384 --> 00:25:36,925 [Ian Landsman]: call them. 830 00:25:34,605 --> 00:25:35,185 [Aaron]: exactly. 831 00:25:37,045 --> 00:25:40,466 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, the attributes, so. The other thing that with this kind of package, 832 00:25:40,566 --> 00:25:43,848 [Ian Landsman]: always I'm a little cautious is cause like it's really messing with something 833 00:25:43,868 --> 00:25:48,410 [Ian Landsman]: that's deep baked into the core and that a lot of things expect to work a certain 834 00:25:48,450 --> 00:25:53,113 [Ian Landsman]: way and who knows if in some edge case somewhere, it doesn't work that certain 835 00:25:53,133 --> 00:25:56,815 [Ian Landsman]: way and you don't discover that for quite a while until you hit the weirdo 836 00:25:56,895 --> 00:26:00,637 [Ian Landsman]: edge case where it actually doesn't load up properly or whatever. So 837 00:26:00,726 --> 00:26:01,549 [Aaron]: Yeah, that's one of 838 00:26:01,517 --> 00:26:01,777 [Ian Landsman]: there's. 839 00:26:01,589 --> 00:26:02,653 [Aaron]: the tough parts about this. 840 00:26:03,130 --> 00:26:06,331 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, I haven't looked into how it works like internally. So I have no 841 00:26:06,391 --> 00:26:10,592 [Ian Landsman]: idea if that's, if there's anything like that, but I do, that is just an area where 842 00:26:10,672 --> 00:26:13,353 [Ian Landsman]: I do get a little cautious. It's not one of these packages that's like 843 00:26:13,393 --> 00:26:15,394 [Ian Landsman]: its own thing and whatever it's, 844 00:26:15,627 --> 00:26:15,937 [Aaron]: Right, 845 00:26:15,794 --> 00:26:16,094 [Ian Landsman]: you know, 846 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:16,287 [Aaron]: yeah. 847 00:26:16,434 --> 00:26:20,095 [Ian Landsman]: it'll be clear if it's working or not, cause it just adds a feature. Uh, this 848 00:26:20,135 --> 00:26:23,676 [Ian Landsman]: is a little different where everything, everything's going through this 849 00:26:23,696 --> 00:26:24,417 [Ian Landsman]: thing and so, 850 00:26:24,265 --> 00:26:24,513 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 851 00:26:24,577 --> 00:26:27,177 [Ian Landsman]: uh, it's a little scarier, but yeah. 852 00:26:27,018 --> 00:26:31,660 [Aaron]: Yeah, also one of the tough spots for me is putting the rules in the model itself. 853 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:38,182 [Aaron]: Um, because I think that's good a lot of the times, but then rules can be context 854 00:26:38,303 --> 00:26:43,185 [Aaron]: dependent. And so I've always, this, this package aside, I've always had a hard 855 00:26:43,225 --> 00:26:46,146 [Aaron]: time centralizing the rules into 856 00:26:46,038 --> 00:26:46,458 [Ian Landsman]: I was just gonna 857 00:26:46,306 --> 00:26:46,926 [Aaron]: the model. 858 00:26:46,538 --> 00:26:48,600 [Ian Landsman]: ask you about that. Mm-hmm. 859 00:26:47,607 --> 00:26:48,427 [Aaron]: Yeah. It's like, 860 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:49,400 [Ian Landsman]: Just in general, 861 00:26:49,007 --> 00:26:50,408 [Aaron]: well, well in, 862 00:26:50,701 --> 00:26:52,082 [Ian Landsman]: what do you do? What do you like to do with your 863 00:26:52,029 --> 00:26:52,189 [Aaron]: oh 864 00:26:52,122 --> 00:26:52,522 [Ian Landsman]: rules? 865 00:26:52,289 --> 00:26:53,209 [Aaron]: man, I don't 866 00:26:53,223 --> 00:26:53,403 [Ian Landsman]: This 867 00:26:53,309 --> 00:26:53,709 [Aaron]: know. 868 00:26:53,443 --> 00:26:54,884 [Ian Landsman]: is like the eternal 869 00:26:54,578 --> 00:26:54,958 [Aaron]: It's the 870 00:26:55,044 --> 00:26:55,444 [Ian Landsman]: struggle 871 00:26:55,178 --> 00:26:55,938 [Aaron]: worst. 872 00:26:55,485 --> 00:26:55,865 [Ian Landsman]: I have, 873 00:26:56,038 --> 00:26:56,498 [Aaron]: Yeah, 874 00:26:56,345 --> 00:26:56,645 [Ian Landsman]: yes. 875 00:26:56,578 --> 00:27:03,880 [Aaron]: so the problem is, and I've tried centralizing it before and basically making my own kind 876 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,881 [Aaron]: of like rules factory, rules object thing. 877 00:27:08,059 --> 00:27:08,305 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 878 00:27:09,542 --> 00:27:10,842 [Aaron]: It just doesn't work. So 879 00:27:11,162 --> 00:27:11,444 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 880 00:27:11,182 --> 00:27:18,304 [Aaron]: here's the problem. Here's the problem as I see it. You've got HTTP coming in and 881 00:27:18,444 --> 00:27:23,962 [Aaron]: the rules could be different based on permissions or the... the 882 00:27:23,814 --> 00:27:26,263 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm. 883 00:27:24,042 --> 00:27:29,264 [Aaron]: state that the model is in, all kinds of things, right? And that's just HTTP. Then 884 00:27:29,284 --> 00:27:30,464 [Aaron]: you've got 885 00:27:30,037 --> 00:27:30,160 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 886 00:27:30,524 --> 00:27:36,147 [Aaron]: command line tools that you're working with where you can, as the super admin or whatever, 887 00:27:36,187 --> 00:27:39,148 [Aaron]: you go in and you're like, ah, I need to process these 50 customers. I'm just gonna 888 00:27:39,528 --> 00:27:43,930 [Aaron]: run this command line tool. And then you've got background jobs. You've got all 889 00:27:43,970 --> 00:27:49,072 [Aaron]: these places that can touch a model and every situation is so different that the 890 00:27:49,152 --> 00:27:54,839 [Aaron]: rules are necessarily different. And while it's good to say like, the name is always 891 00:27:54,899 --> 00:27:59,540 [Aaron]: required, like that may be the only one that is always true. 892 00:27:59,867 --> 00:28:00,132 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 893 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:03,222 [Aaron]: And I don't want to put that somewhere and then these other rules somewhere else. 894 00:28:03,242 --> 00:28:04,282 [Aaron]: And so I feel like I end up 895 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:04,445 [Ian Landsman]: Yep. 896 00:28:05,062 --> 00:28:09,924 [Aaron]: recreating the rules just to have safety that I'm validating the right thing at the 897 00:28:09,944 --> 00:28:10,524 [Aaron]: right time. 898 00:28:10,883 --> 00:28:11,025 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm. 899 00:28:11,065 --> 00:28:13,245 [Aaron]: There's like, I just, I don't know. I don't know the better way. 900 00:28:14,382 --> 00:28:18,485 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, I don't know. It's like, I almost, I have toy, uh, like I've been playing 901 00:28:18,505 --> 00:28:20,907 [Ian Landsman]: around with the DTOs and things like that, because 902 00:28:20,704 --> 00:28:20,993 [Aaron]: Uh huh. 903 00:28:20,927 --> 00:28:24,350 [Ian Landsman]: like they let you validate, but there is still these scenarios where like 904 00:28:24,651 --> 00:28:27,153 [Ian Landsman]: the data is different on create versus update. And then 905 00:28:27,470 --> 00:28:27,839 [Aaron]: quarterly. 906 00:28:27,613 --> 00:28:31,336 [Ian Landsman]: you have like something that's optional sometimes. And then sometimes that 907 00:28:31,356 --> 00:28:35,600 [Ian Landsman]: gets weird with the DTO and like, so then you have these like classes for 908 00:28:35,700 --> 00:28:38,603 [Ian Landsman]: optional, like in the spotty package and you have like, you know, you have 909 00:28:38,743 --> 00:28:43,679 [Ian Landsman]: all this like tight pinning that's going on and multiple type hints and 910 00:28:43,739 --> 00:28:47,822 [Ian Landsman]: like, it's just like, I don't know. It's, I want, I want it to be like that. 911 00:28:47,922 --> 00:28:48,522 [Ian Landsman]: I want it to 912 00:28:48,493 --> 00:28:48,703 [Aaron]: I know. 913 00:28:48,562 --> 00:28:53,085 [Ian Landsman]: be, here's the central location, all the magic's here. I don't have to worry 914 00:28:53,105 --> 00:28:58,569 [Ian Landsman]: about it. But then in practice, yeah, like in, I mean, this is a big thing 915 00:28:58,609 --> 00:29:03,833 [Ian Landsman]: too. I feel like that if you're not, haven't built a real app or, I just feel 916 00:29:03,853 --> 00:29:07,756 [Ian Landsman]: like when you have real apps that customers use, there's just all these 917 00:29:07,816 --> 00:29:12,779 [Ian Landsman]: things that you have to do that are not. perfect and you have to duplicate 918 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:16,541 [Ian Landsman]: code sometimes or things like that because ultimately like the app just has 919 00:29:16,561 --> 00:29:19,943 [Ian Landsman]: to work a certain way and the nice way that the framework or the package 920 00:29:19,963 --> 00:29:23,826 [Ian Landsman]: or whatever would want you to do it just it doesn't work it doesn't 921 00:29:23,852 --> 00:29:24,062 [Aaron]: Yeah. 922 00:29:23,866 --> 00:29:27,788 [Ian Landsman]: work and so it just ends up being more complicated or you do all a bunch 923 00:29:27,828 --> 00:29:32,132 [Ian Landsman]: of weird stuff to make it work but now it's all these edge cases are created 924 00:29:32,192 --> 00:29:36,497 [Ian Landsman]: or like just more complexity of figuring out what's even going on versus 925 00:29:36,517 --> 00:29:40,021 [Ian Landsman]: if you just had a rules array in two different spots, that was basically 926 00:29:40,041 --> 00:29:43,625 [Ian Landsman]: the same except for, you know, one or two differences or whatnot. So. 927 00:29:43,786 --> 00:29:47,689 [Aaron]: Yeah, I feel like this is that's why we don't have it as a first party primitive, 928 00:29:47,709 --> 00:29:47,869 [Aaron]: like 929 00:29:48,348 --> 00:29:48,658 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 930 00:29:49,170 --> 00:29:54,695 [Aaron]: Laravel has given us the powerful validator and the rules and the form requests. And Laravel 931 00:29:54,555 --> 00:29:54,865 [Ian Landsman]: Alright. 932 00:29:54,715 --> 00:29:59,959 [Aaron]: has given us all of that. And I feel like the reason we don't have validation built 933 00:30:00,020 --> 00:30:03,442 [Aaron]: into the eloquent model is for that exact reason. It's because 934 00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:03,771 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 935 00:30:03,723 --> 00:30:08,107 [Aaron]: it's too hard. Like there are too many different ways that you might want to update 936 00:30:08,147 --> 00:30:12,667 [Aaron]: a model in too many different scenarios that having a static rules array. just isn't 937 00:30:12,707 --> 00:30:14,673 [Aaron]: viable in a real application. 938 00:30:15,406 --> 00:30:19,287 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. This is another thing I've been thinking about lately is I don't 939 00:30:19,307 --> 00:30:22,167 [Ian Landsman]: know. I'll be interested to get your take on it. I feel like every time 940 00:30:22,247 --> 00:30:25,989 [Ian Landsman]: I stray away from that. So this is kind of even somewhat counter to what we're 941 00:30:26,009 --> 00:30:29,029 [Ian Landsman]: just saying, but every time I stray away from the eloquent model is sort 942 00:30:29,049 --> 00:30:33,531 [Ian Landsman]: of the, the core of logic, so to speak, um, I don't even 943 00:30:33,509 --> 00:30:33,652 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 944 00:30:33,551 --> 00:30:36,051 [Ian Landsman]: know how to describe this, but if like, like even with messing with the DTOs 945 00:30:36,071 --> 00:30:37,512 [Ian Landsman]: and things like that, 946 00:30:36,881 --> 00:30:37,104 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 947 00:30:37,632 --> 00:30:39,813 [Ian Landsman]: it just gets like so much more complicated 948 00:30:39,999 --> 00:30:40,527 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 949 00:30:40,393 --> 00:30:45,430 [Ian Landsman]: and the benefits. I feel like. I always see them in the app, like I'm reading 950 00:30:45,470 --> 00:30:48,432 [Ian Landsman]: about something. I'm like, oh, this would be amazing. And then you try to 951 00:30:48,452 --> 00:30:50,853 [Ian Landsman]: implement it and you're like, oh yeah, but this thing and the other thing, 952 00:30:50,873 --> 00:30:54,254 [Ian Landsman]: and it doesn't work in this scenario and all those things. And I'm like, 953 00:30:54,334 --> 00:30:57,876 [Ian Landsman]: oh, I should have just like stuck with like calling the eloquent model, 954 00:30:57,896 --> 00:31:00,497 [Ian Landsman]: like create in this controller and everything would have been 955 00:31:00,418 --> 00:31:00,659 [Aaron]: Yes. 956 00:31:00,517 --> 00:31:01,378 [Ian Landsman]: fine. But instead I 957 00:31:01,364 --> 00:31:01,726 [Aaron]: Correct. 958 00:31:01,418 --> 00:31:02,098 [Ian Landsman]: got fancy 959 00:31:01,988 --> 00:31:02,028 [Aaron]: Ha. 960 00:31:02,138 --> 00:31:04,839 [Ian Landsman]: and now it's like taking me three extra days and 961 00:31:05,010 --> 00:31:05,810 [Aaron]: Yep. 962 00:31:05,159 --> 00:31:06,800 [Ian Landsman]: I don't even know what's going on. So 963 00:31:06,631 --> 00:31:06,891 [Aaron]: Now I'm 964 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:07,000 [Ian Landsman]: I don't 965 00:31:06,931 --> 00:31:07,191 [Aaron]: wrapped 966 00:31:07,020 --> 00:31:07,260 [Ian Landsman]: know what 967 00:31:07,231 --> 00:31:07,411 [Aaron]: around 968 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:07,420 [Ian Landsman]: your 969 00:31:07,451 --> 00:31:07,531 [Aaron]: the 970 00:31:07,460 --> 00:31:07,680 [Ian Landsman]: thoughts 971 00:31:07,651 --> 00:31:08,132 [Aaron]: axle 972 00:31:07,780 --> 00:31:09,421 [Ian Landsman]: are. 973 00:31:08,212 --> 00:31:09,573 [Aaron]: of misdirection and 974 00:31:09,601 --> 00:31:10,141 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 975 00:31:09,713 --> 00:31:14,256 [Aaron]: yep, I am an eloquent slash active record maximalist. 976 00:31:14,590 --> 00:31:14,794 [Ian Landsman]: Okay, yeah. 977 00:31:15,257 --> 00:31:23,563 [Aaron]: As much as I can do, give me a super fat model with methods for everything and I'm 978 00:31:23,583 --> 00:31:25,605 [Aaron]: a happy man. So 979 00:31:25,403 --> 00:31:25,566 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 980 00:31:26,025 --> 00:31:32,934 [Aaron]: I feel the same way. I will say that I try to stick to... I try to stick to... the 981 00:31:32,974 --> 00:31:36,957 [Aaron]: conventions elsewhere, like form requests are a good example 982 00:31:36,924 --> 00:31:37,092 [Ian Landsman]: Yep. 983 00:31:36,977 --> 00:31:40,680 [Aaron]: because you can validate those, get all your correct data out, and then throw it 984 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,021 [Aaron]: into an eloquent model. 985 00:31:42,536 --> 00:31:42,746 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 986 00:31:42,662 --> 00:31:46,965 [Aaron]: But yeah, the whole, I feel like I don't want to open this can of worms, but event 987 00:31:47,005 --> 00:31:48,527 [Aaron]: sourcing is one of them where 988 00:31:48,526 --> 00:31:48,828 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 989 00:31:48,567 --> 00:31:48,947 [Aaron]: it's like, 990 00:31:48,868 --> 00:31:49,795 [Ian Landsman]: That's even like the next 991 00:31:49,848 --> 00:31:50,148 [Aaron]: oh 992 00:31:49,855 --> 00:31:50,359 [Ian Landsman]: level. Yeah. 993 00:31:50,448 --> 00:31:54,151 [Aaron]: man, what am I doing? And maybe 994 00:31:53,597 --> 00:31:53,779 [Ian Landsman]: Yup. 995 00:31:54,171 --> 00:31:56,574 [Aaron]: we can have Daniel on at some point to argue with us, Daniel 996 00:31:56,591 --> 00:31:56,816 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 997 00:31:56,594 --> 00:32:01,097 [Aaron]: Coborn, and he'll tell me why it's good. But that's one of those things where 998 00:32:01,117 --> 00:32:05,616 [Aaron]: I'm like... You know, man, I'm just gonna do my model thing. So yeah, I feel the 999 00:32:05,636 --> 00:32:05,957 [Aaron]: same way. 1000 00:32:06,570 --> 00:32:12,240 [Ian Landsman]: One thing I have sort of taken in and use a lot now is actions, like the action 1001 00:32:12,420 --> 00:32:12,881 [Ian Landsman]: pattern. I 1002 00:32:12,918 --> 00:32:13,018 [Aaron]: Oh, 1003 00:32:12,941 --> 00:32:13,101 [Ian Landsman]: do 1004 00:32:13,098 --> 00:32:13,479 [Aaron]: tell 1005 00:32:13,142 --> 00:32:13,683 [Ian Landsman]: like that 1006 00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:13,900 [Aaron]: me. 1007 00:32:13,723 --> 00:32:14,664 [Ian Landsman]: a lot. Yeah. Like 1008 00:32:14,641 --> 00:32:14,981 [Aaron]: Somebody 1009 00:32:14,704 --> 00:32:15,265 [Ian Landsman]: there's a layerable 1010 00:32:15,001 --> 00:32:15,762 [Aaron]: was just 1011 00:32:15,366 --> 00:32:16,247 [Ian Landsman]: action package 1012 00:32:15,982 --> 00:32:16,403 [Aaron]: asking 1013 00:32:16,267 --> 00:32:16,528 [Ian Landsman]: that works 1014 00:32:16,443 --> 00:32:16,763 [Aaron]: me 1015 00:32:16,548 --> 00:32:17,008 [Ian Landsman]: really good. 1016 00:32:17,545 --> 00:32:22,611 [Aaron]: if I used actions and I said that I haven't, but I wish I had in certain cases. 1017 00:32:22,652 --> 00:32:23,893 [Aaron]: So tell me what you're using them for. 1018 00:32:24,346 --> 00:32:28,327 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, so I love the actions because it's pretty much just like calling 1019 00:32:29,048 --> 00:32:31,589 [Ian Landsman]: the active record, you know, create or whatever you're trying to do. It's 1020 00:32:31,609 --> 00:32:35,231 [Ian Landsman]: just like one little step of abstraction from that. And then in a real world 1021 00:32:35,331 --> 00:32:38,893 [Ian Landsman]: app, I find that it's quite useful because it's. So the action is just 1022 00:32:38,913 --> 00:32:43,135 [Ian Landsman]: like a PHP class for people who don't know. If you use the Laravel actions 1023 00:32:43,175 --> 00:32:46,676 [Ian Landsman]: package, it does some nice like helpers and stuff for you, so I would recommend 1024 00:32:46,696 --> 00:32:50,894 [Ian Landsman]: that I've used that quite a bit. Um, I don't use that, that thing goes 1025 00:32:50,914 --> 00:32:53,736 [Ian Landsman]: a little crazy and starts to get a little too much for me. Like you can 1026 00:32:53,756 --> 00:32:56,257 [Ian Landsman]: just take this action and have it be your whole controller. You 1027 00:32:56,237 --> 00:32:56,479 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1028 00:32:56,277 --> 00:32:59,539 [Ian Landsman]: could take this action and have it be your whole job and things like that. 1029 00:32:59,517 --> 00:32:59,742 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1030 00:32:59,579 --> 00:33:01,900 [Ian Landsman]: So that, I actually don't use those parts because it starts to get like in 1031 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,941 [Ian Landsman]: the super magical territory. I just 1032 00:33:03,786 --> 00:33:03,970 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1033 00:33:04,162 --> 00:33:08,664 [Ian Landsman]: use it as an action. And so ways you just call this class, like where you 1034 00:33:08,684 --> 00:33:12,766 [Ian Landsman]: would call like post create or whatever, you might just have like a create 1035 00:33:12,826 --> 00:33:17,629 [Ian Landsman]: post action. And so you call that and you can just pass in your validated 1036 00:33:17,669 --> 00:33:18,309 [Ian Landsman]: data or whatever. 1037 00:33:18,838 --> 00:33:18,961 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm 1038 00:33:19,142 --> 00:33:23,085 [Ian Landsman]: And so what I like about that though, is it gives you this nice central spot 1039 00:33:23,125 --> 00:33:25,948 [Ian Landsman]: for if you have other business logic, which in like a real world app, you 1040 00:33:25,988 --> 00:33:29,992 [Ian Landsman]: tend to. And so it's like, well, when I do this, I also have to like, just do 1041 00:33:30,012 --> 00:33:33,215 [Ian Landsman]: this other thing. Right. And so instead of having to duplicate that in the 1042 00:33:33,235 --> 00:33:36,318 [Ian Landsman]: multiple places of yes, I have it in this controller and I have another controller 1043 00:33:36,818 --> 00:33:39,981 [Ian Landsman]: and I have a command line thing that does it and as a web hook, then it's a 1044 00:33:40,001 --> 00:33:43,905 [Ian Landsman]: different controller and whatever, so you can just have this, the action that 1045 00:33:43,925 --> 00:33:48,495 [Ian Landsman]: you call everywhere. You pass the data. So that's centralized. If you have 1046 00:33:48,655 --> 00:33:52,397 [Ian Landsman]: other stuff to do, maybe you have to like fire an event or whatever, you 1047 00:33:52,417 --> 00:33:55,239 [Ian Landsman]: don't have to duplicate all that code everywhere. So it just gives you 1048 00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:59,201 [Ian Landsman]: that one step back, but it's not complicated. Like you can just go 1049 00:33:59,204 --> 00:33:59,329 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1050 00:33:59,261 --> 00:34:03,704 [Ian Landsman]: into that. It's very clear. Usually they're very short and it's super testable. 1051 00:34:03,744 --> 00:34:05,345 [Ian Landsman]: Like it's like, this is this one 1052 00:34:05,228 --> 00:34:05,755 [Aaron]: Yeah, that's true. 1053 00:34:05,645 --> 00:34:09,607 [Ian Landsman]: function. I can just easily write tests for it. Um, and the package also 1054 00:34:09,627 --> 00:34:12,429 [Ian Landsman]: has nice helpers for that. You don't need to use a package. Like you can just 1055 00:34:12,469 --> 00:34:16,178 [Ian Landsman]: build a PHP class and do this, but The package does have some niceties like 1056 00:34:16,299 --> 00:34:20,621 [Ian Landsman]: test helpers and things, which are really great. And yeah, so I really like 1057 00:34:20,641 --> 00:34:23,222 [Ian Landsman]: the actions. That is one that stuck with me because it's pretty much like 1058 00:34:23,422 --> 00:34:24,923 [Ian Landsman]: active recordy really, but 1059 00:34:24,918 --> 00:34:27,239 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1060 00:34:24,963 --> 00:34:27,044 [Ian Landsman]: just with a little more abstraction so you can 1061 00:34:27,279 --> 00:34:27,439 [Aaron]: Yeah, 1062 00:34:27,305 --> 00:34:27,605 [Ian Landsman]: shove 1063 00:34:27,479 --> 00:34:27,739 [Aaron]: it's like 1064 00:34:27,645 --> 00:34:27,785 [Ian Landsman]: some 1065 00:34:27,759 --> 00:34:27,799 [Aaron]: a 1066 00:34:27,825 --> 00:34:28,065 [Ian Landsman]: other 1067 00:34:27,899 --> 00:34:28,219 [Aaron]: new, 1068 00:34:28,105 --> 00:34:28,645 [Ian Landsman]: stuff in there. 1069 00:34:29,100 --> 00:34:33,783 [Aaron]: it's like a new first class citizen that you can then centralize some stuff in. 1070 00:34:33,863 --> 00:34:34,403 [Aaron]: And the thing that 1071 00:34:34,492 --> 00:34:34,744 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1072 00:34:34,543 --> 00:34:41,087 [Aaron]: I've always like, I think this Laravel actions package, which is very thorough and 1073 00:34:41,127 --> 00:34:47,331 [Aaron]: very good. I don't think that was around back when I was doing this app that needs it. 1074 00:34:47,835 --> 00:34:48,082 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm. 1075 00:34:47,871 --> 00:34:54,471 [Aaron]: And the place that I think I need it is like. when I do the same thing in multiple 1076 00:34:54,511 --> 00:34:57,294 [Aaron]: places, like just like we were talking about with the rules array, 1077 00:34:57,007 --> 00:34:57,232 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1078 00:34:57,774 --> 00:35:02,839 [Aaron]: I'm doing the same thing, whether it's like an internal customer service person is 1079 00:35:02,879 --> 00:35:08,784 [Aaron]: creating a property, you know, a home, an address is creating a property. I'm bulk 1080 00:35:08,884 --> 00:35:13,989 [Aaron]: importing, you know, 500 properties. We're creating a property via webhook. We're 1081 00:35:14,009 --> 00:35:17,192 [Aaron]: creating a property via background job. All of those things are like 1082 00:35:17,054 --> 00:35:17,357 [Ian Landsman]: All right. 1083 00:35:17,532 --> 00:35:22,203 [Aaron]: creating a property record. and I ended up having to be like, ah, I gotta make sure 1084 00:35:22,223 --> 00:35:24,485 [Aaron]: that I do the right thing four different 1085 00:35:24,220 --> 00:35:24,472 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1086 00:35:24,525 --> 00:35:28,668 [Aaron]: places, and it's like, ah, this would be good to centralize. So yeah, I do like the 1087 00:35:28,709 --> 00:35:29,769 [Aaron]: concept of actions. 1088 00:35:30,306 --> 00:35:33,289 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, it's really nice for that. It's like, that's the perfect use case. Just 1089 00:35:33,309 --> 00:35:35,711 [Ian Landsman]: like, yep, I'm going to create it, but then I'm going to fire this event and 1090 00:35:35,732 --> 00:35:38,935 [Ian Landsman]: I'm going to send an email and I want those three things to happen every single 1091 00:35:38,975 --> 00:35:43,120 [Ian Landsman]: time I create this record. And you just always know that those things are 1092 00:35:43,140 --> 00:35:48,445 [Ian Landsman]: happening and you can test it and all that. So, uh, that those I really like, 1093 00:35:48,465 --> 00:35:53,142 [Ian Landsman]: it's just so nice and clean and organized and all that. But, uh, Yeah, 1094 00:35:53,462 --> 00:35:57,445 [Ian Landsman]: but I agree besides that, these other higher level things. And this is probably, 1095 00:35:57,465 --> 00:35:59,707 [Ian Landsman]: I mean, I don't know, maybe this is like, both of us have this kind of 1096 00:35:59,747 --> 00:36:02,109 [Ian Landsman]: background of coming from the less formal 1097 00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:02,833 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1098 00:36:02,729 --> 00:36:06,172 [Ian Landsman]: side of computer science. So I do think there's something to that too. Although 1099 00:36:06,192 --> 00:36:09,855 [Ian Landsman]: I definitely know a lot of people who learned on their own and are definitely 1100 00:36:09,955 --> 00:36:14,218 [Ian Landsman]: more into these type of more advanced patterns and things, but. I don't 1101 00:36:14,238 --> 00:36:17,680 [Ian Landsman]: know, I tend to be very practical in nature in these things and just be like, 1102 00:36:17,720 --> 00:36:17,920 [Ian Landsman]: okay, 1103 00:36:17,855 --> 00:36:18,019 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1104 00:36:17,940 --> 00:36:21,543 [Ian Landsman]: this is clean and easy to understand and somebody else could understand it. If I 1105 00:36:21,563 --> 00:36:24,605 [Ian Landsman]: have to throw some random person in there, right? It's not gonna take 1106 00:36:24,484 --> 00:36:24,609 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1107 00:36:24,625 --> 00:36:28,788 [Ian Landsman]: them too long to learn a whole new pattern and all this stuff that has all 1108 00:36:28,808 --> 00:36:32,851 [Ian Landsman]: these different rules and things. It's like, nope, here's a PHP class and it 1109 00:36:32,911 --> 00:36:33,991 [Ian Landsman]: does a couple things. And 1110 00:36:33,988 --> 00:36:34,273 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1111 00:36:34,892 --> 00:36:36,813 [Ian Landsman]: I get that part already and we're good. 1112 00:36:36,746 --> 00:36:37,086 [Aaron]: Yeah, it's 1113 00:36:37,034 --> 00:36:37,114 [Ian Landsman]: We 1114 00:36:37,126 --> 00:36:37,327 [Aaron]: called 1115 00:36:37,134 --> 00:36:37,274 [Ian Landsman]: can 1116 00:36:37,367 --> 00:36:37,707 [Aaron]: Create 1117 00:36:37,434 --> 00:36:38,094 [Ian Landsman]: get productive, 1118 00:36:37,747 --> 00:36:39,330 [Aaron]: Post. You can figure 1119 00:36:39,115 --> 00:36:39,335 [Ian Landsman]: right? 1120 00:36:39,370 --> 00:36:39,970 [Aaron]: out what it does. 1121 00:36:40,016 --> 00:36:42,537 [Ian Landsman]: Exactly, it's straightforward. 1122 00:36:43,596 --> 00:36:47,461 [Aaron]: All right, well, good package, Wendell. I look forward to seeing how that will develop. 1123 00:36:49,722 --> 00:36:51,862 [Ian Landsman]: All right, next on the list here. 1124 00:36:52,770 --> 00:36:53,674 [Aaron]: You wanna talk YouTube? 1125 00:36:54,511 --> 00:36:55,021 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, sure. 1126 00:36:55,703 --> 00:36:57,009 [Aaron]: PHP doesn't suck anymore. 1127 00:36:59,686 --> 00:37:04,914 [Ian Landsman]: doesn't we know that for sure we're here look at that's the short version 1128 00:37:04,934 --> 00:37:04,994 [Ian Landsman]: of 1129 00:37:05,008 --> 00:37:05,088 [Aaron]: It 1130 00:37:05,014 --> 00:37:05,394 [Ian Landsman]: the video 1131 00:37:05,128 --> 00:37:12,632 [Aaron]: does. Hahaha. Yeah. Thanks for tuning in. So I made a video. I made a video and it 1132 00:37:12,672 --> 00:37:13,272 [Aaron]: covered like, 1133 00:37:13,326 --> 00:37:15,789 [Ian Landsman]: Wow. Yeah. 1134 00:37:14,553 --> 00:37:15,674 [Aaron]: yeah, right? 1135 00:37:15,809 --> 00:37:16,129 [Ian Landsman]: I just, I 1136 00:37:16,134 --> 00:37:16,174 [Aaron]: I 1137 00:37:16,149 --> 00:37:16,289 [Ian Landsman]: just 1138 00:37:16,194 --> 00:37:16,334 [Aaron]: think 1139 00:37:16,309 --> 00:37:16,430 [Ian Landsman]: saw 1140 00:37:16,374 --> 00:37:17,014 [Aaron]: you 1141 00:37:16,450 --> 00:37:17,231 [Ian Landsman]: your views on it. 1142 00:37:17,214 --> 00:37:17,715 [Aaron]: just opened 1143 00:37:17,611 --> 00:37:17,972 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1144 00:37:17,755 --> 00:37:25,319 [Aaron]: it. Yeah. It covered some of the changes from 2012 to now. And I picked 2012 because 1145 00:37:25,339 --> 00:37:32,419 [Aaron]: it's like a long time ago and you know 5.4-ish era. And I just ran through like, hey, 1146 00:37:32,459 --> 00:37:36,923 [Aaron]: did you guys know that we have traits and we have types and we have enums and we 1147 00:37:36,963 --> 00:37:42,687 [Aaron]: have, you know, generators, that kind of stuff. It's funny because I thought it was 1148 00:37:42,727 --> 00:37:48,192 [Aaron]: good. Like I thought it was a good video and I thought, ah, some people, some 1149 00:37:48,212 --> 00:37:53,276 [Aaron]: people will be interested. I think the title did a lot of work for me there 1150 00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:54,037 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1151 00:37:54,037 --> 00:37:59,641 [Aaron]: because I think I got people that were mad that I said that PHP doesn't suck anymore. 1152 00:38:00,330 --> 00:38:04,693 [Aaron]: And I think I got people that were mad that suggested that I suggested that PHP 1153 00:38:04,753 --> 00:38:05,534 [Aaron]: ever sucked. 1154 00:38:05,766 --> 00:38:06,067 [Ian Landsman]: Alright. 1155 00:38:06,074 --> 00:38:08,056 [Aaron]: And so like I got I got the people who were 1156 00:38:08,017 --> 00:38:08,239 [Ian Landsman]: Both 1157 00:38:08,156 --> 00:38:08,316 [Aaron]: on 1158 00:38:08,279 --> 00:38:08,621 [Ian Landsman]: sides. 1159 00:38:08,537 --> 00:38:12,980 [Aaron]: my team and the people that were haters. I got them all to come and comment and everything. 1160 00:38:13,060 --> 00:38:13,241 [Aaron]: So 1161 00:38:13,489 --> 00:38:13,678 [Ian Landsman]: Yup. 1162 00:38:13,921 --> 00:38:18,645 [Aaron]: I think I got lucky with that with that title there. But yeah, 1163 00:38:18,590 --> 00:38:18,691 [Ian Landsman]: It's 1164 00:38:18,685 --> 00:38:18,745 [Aaron]: a 1165 00:38:18,711 --> 00:38:18,914 [Ian Landsman]: always 1166 00:38:18,845 --> 00:38:19,446 [Aaron]: hundred 1167 00:38:18,955 --> 00:38:19,441 [Ian Landsman]: a big key. 1168 00:38:19,886 --> 00:38:21,608 [Aaron]: thousand views. 1169 00:38:21,834 --> 00:38:23,435 [Ian Landsman]: So congratulations. Amazing. 1170 00:38:23,329 --> 00:38:23,509 [Aaron]: Isn't 1171 00:38:23,475 --> 00:38:23,535 [Ian Landsman]: I 1172 00:38:23,529 --> 00:38:23,649 [Aaron]: that 1173 00:38:23,555 --> 00:38:23,695 [Ian Landsman]: mean, 1174 00:38:23,689 --> 00:38:23,770 [Aaron]: the 1175 00:38:23,795 --> 00:38:24,075 [Ian Landsman]: 5.7 1176 00:38:23,810 --> 00:38:25,211 [Aaron]: craziest thing you've ever 1177 00:38:24,916 --> 00:38:25,396 [Ian Landsman]: thousand 1178 00:38:25,271 --> 00:38:25,671 [Aaron]: heard? 1179 00:38:25,916 --> 00:38:27,037 [Ian Landsman]: upvotes. Like that's 1180 00:38:27,052 --> 00:38:27,313 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1181 00:38:27,057 --> 00:38:28,738 [Ian Landsman]: an incredible amount of upvotes. Like 1182 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,134 [Aaron]: It's crazy! 1183 00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:35,022 [Ian Landsman]: I feel like that percentage is unusual for like five, six percent of the 1184 00:38:35,042 --> 00:38:37,864 [Ian Landsman]: viewers to vote at all. Um, 1185 00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:37,930 [Aaron]: Yeah, 1186 00:38:37,904 --> 00:38:38,184 [Ian Landsman]: seems 1187 00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:38,210 [Aaron]: let me 1188 00:38:38,264 --> 00:38:38,765 [Ian Landsman]: unusually 1189 00:38:38,290 --> 00:38:39,031 [Aaron]: see. I think 1190 00:38:38,825 --> 00:38:39,645 [Ian Landsman]: high to me even. 1191 00:38:40,012 --> 00:38:40,853 [Aaron]: I can see 1192 00:38:42,290 --> 00:38:42,553 [Ian Landsman]: which is 1193 00:38:42,494 --> 00:38:42,614 [Aaron]: the 1194 00:38:42,594 --> 00:38:42,898 [Ian Landsman]: great. 1195 00:38:42,654 --> 00:38:47,719 [Aaron]: percent. It's 98% thumbs up. So 5,700 likes and 98% 1196 00:38:47,495 --> 00:38:47,784 [Ian Landsman]: Wow. 1197 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:49,921 [Aaron]: up votes versus down. 1198 00:38:50,078 --> 00:38:50,998 [Ian Landsman]: That's amazing. 1199 00:38:51,443 --> 00:38:52,244 [Aaron]: Crazy! 1200 00:38:51,858 --> 00:38:55,040 [Ian Landsman]: That's incredible. Yeah, and I thought the video was so good because it 1201 00:38:55,060 --> 00:38:58,601 [Ian Landsman]: was just like, yeah, just jumped into every 1202 00:38:58,539 --> 00:38:58,743 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm 1203 00:38:58,641 --> 00:39:02,583 [Ian Landsman]: single thing that's changed, all the big stuff. And it's like, boom, here's 1204 00:39:02,643 --> 00:39:04,644 [Ian Landsman]: 15 seconds on this, here's 15 seconds on this, 1205 00:39:04,686 --> 00:39:06,366 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1206 00:39:04,964 --> 00:39:07,545 [Ian Landsman]: and just kept the pace going really nice. 1207 00:39:07,286 --> 00:39:13,168 [Aaron]: Yeah, I'm really trying to find, I'm trying to find like the ideal YouTube format 1208 00:39:13,188 --> 00:39:13,648 [Aaron]: because it is 1209 00:39:13,650 --> 00:39:13,881 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 1210 00:39:13,708 --> 00:39:19,069 [Aaron]: very different than like a lot of the work I've done historically has been long form 1211 00:39:19,129 --> 00:39:21,270 [Aaron]: educational, right? So I'll do 1212 00:39:21,176 --> 00:39:21,360 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1213 00:39:21,290 --> 00:39:26,171 [Aaron]: a Laracast course or teach accounting or teach databases and it's like, I know that 1214 00:39:26,231 --> 00:39:29,452 [Aaron]: I have you for a couple hours and I'm going to tell you everything you need to know. 1215 00:39:29,852 --> 00:39:30,333 [Aaron]: YouTube, 1216 00:39:30,035 --> 00:39:30,287 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1217 00:39:30,353 --> 00:39:33,273 [Aaron]: you're fighting people clicking away or closing. 1218 00:39:33,218 --> 00:39:33,420 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1219 00:39:33,313 --> 00:39:37,221 [Aaron]: And so... I'm trying to find that format, but this one worked. 1220 00:39:37,734 --> 00:39:40,336 [Ian Landsman]: This also seems like one of these great ones that you could like break 1221 00:39:40,356 --> 00:39:43,238 [Ian Landsman]: this up and throw it on Instagram and all the other like, 1222 00:39:43,370 --> 00:39:43,632 [Aaron]: Oh, that's 1223 00:39:43,458 --> 00:39:43,718 [Ian Landsman]: or on 1224 00:39:43,673 --> 00:39:43,955 [Aaron]: a great 1225 00:39:43,758 --> 00:39:44,118 [Ian Landsman]: YouTube 1226 00:39:44,036 --> 00:39:44,460 [Aaron]: idea. 1227 00:39:44,138 --> 00:39:45,279 [Ian Landsman]: shorts and whatever, right? 1228 00:39:45,307 --> 00:39:45,892 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1229 00:39:45,319 --> 00:39:48,842 [Ian Landsman]: Like here's like 15 seconds, like just create some new little intro. That's 1230 00:39:48,862 --> 00:39:52,205 [Ian Landsman]: like a two second intro. And it's like, boom, here's, uh, another 1231 00:39:52,003 --> 00:39:52,528 [Aaron]: Oh shoot, 1232 00:39:52,245 --> 00:39:52,605 [Ian Landsman]: thing about 1233 00:39:52,568 --> 00:39:52,770 [Aaron]: that's 1234 00:39:52,645 --> 00:39:52,785 [Ian Landsman]: why 1235 00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:52,830 [Aaron]: a 1236 00:39:52,845 --> 00:39:53,185 [Ian Landsman]: PHP 1237 00:39:52,851 --> 00:39:53,396 [Aaron]: great idea. 1238 00:39:53,205 --> 00:39:58,830 [Ian Landsman]: doesn't suck. We use all this. Um, Holy cow. It has 1100 comments. 1239 00:39:59,166 --> 00:40:00,286 [Aaron]: Oh dude, 1240 00:39:59,430 --> 00:40:00,351 [Ian Landsman]: That's insane. 1241 00:40:00,826 --> 00:40:01,826 [Aaron]: so many comments. 1242 00:40:02,893 --> 00:40:02,953 [Ian Landsman]: I 1243 00:40:02,947 --> 00:40:03,047 [Aaron]: And 1244 00:40:02,973 --> 00:40:03,413 [Ian Landsman]: know. What do you 1245 00:40:04,147 --> 00:40:06,868 [Aaron]: fully half of them are like, oh, PHP still sucks. 1246 00:40:08,107 --> 00:40:08,550 [Ian Landsman]: Well, that's you 1247 00:40:08,509 --> 00:40:08,589 [Aaron]: I'm 1248 00:40:08,590 --> 00:40:08,791 [Ian Landsman]: too, 1249 00:40:08,629 --> 00:40:08,969 [Aaron]: like, come 1250 00:40:08,832 --> 00:40:09,093 [Ian Landsman]: man. 1251 00:40:08,989 --> 00:40:09,069 [Aaron]: on. 1252 00:40:09,133 --> 00:40:09,375 [Ian Landsman]: Like. 1253 00:40:09,309 --> 00:40:15,011 [Aaron]: I don't care if you think that, but be more, like I'm not offended as a PHP developer, 1254 00:40:15,071 --> 00:40:20,113 [Aaron]: I'm offended as a terminally online commenter. Like make a better comment. This 1255 00:40:20,153 --> 00:40:20,453 [Aaron]: comment 1256 00:40:20,293 --> 00:40:20,854 [Ian Landsman]: Your comment 1257 00:40:20,493 --> 00:40:21,133 [Aaron]: is stupid. 1258 00:40:20,894 --> 00:40:21,315 [Ian Landsman]: sucks. 1259 00:40:21,553 --> 00:40:22,673 [Aaron]: Yeah, exactly. 1260 00:40:23,217 --> 00:40:26,483 [Ian Landsman]: I think that is kind of a known issue with the YouTube comments, unfortunately. 1261 00:40:26,503 --> 00:40:30,930 [Ian Landsman]: I think the ratio of quality comments to 1262 00:40:30,834 --> 00:40:33,135 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1263 00:40:31,010 --> 00:40:32,472 [Ian Landsman]: crap is not ideal. 1264 00:40:33,235 --> 00:40:37,379 [Aaron]: I do let my spice come through a little bit more in YouTube comments, like 1265 00:40:37,262 --> 00:40:37,525 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 1266 00:40:38,139 --> 00:40:38,660 [Aaron]: on, 1267 00:40:38,293 --> 00:40:38,919 [Ian Landsman]: I think it's fair. 1268 00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:44,684 [Aaron]: you know, on Twitter, especially on Twitter main and mostly in Twitter replies 1269 00:40:44,724 --> 00:40:50,169 [Aaron]: I'm like trying to be very gracious and kind to people on YouTube when they bring 1270 00:40:50,229 --> 00:40:52,891 [Aaron]: in the barbs. I just, I barb them right back 1271 00:40:52,690 --> 00:40:52,913 [Ian Landsman]: Hahaha 1272 00:40:52,931 --> 00:40:56,073 [Aaron]: and it's kind of fun. It's kind of fun to be spicy over there. 1273 00:40:56,002 --> 00:40:59,044 [Ian Landsman]: Sort of like a private area down there, you know, it's like a it's 1274 00:40:58,986 --> 00:40:59,147 [Aaron]: Oh 1275 00:40:59,064 --> 00:40:59,544 [Ian Landsman]: like 1276 00:40:59,207 --> 00:40:59,568 [Aaron]: yeah, 1277 00:40:59,564 --> 00:41:00,284 [Ian Landsman]: oh, it's you're down 1278 00:41:00,150 --> 00:41:00,592 [Aaron]: nobody's 1279 00:41:00,324 --> 00:41:01,025 [Ian Landsman]: in the trenches 1280 00:41:00,632 --> 00:41:01,314 [Aaron]: going down 1281 00:41:01,065 --> 00:41:01,545 [Ian Landsman]: in there 1282 00:41:01,334 --> 00:41:01,575 [Aaron]: there. 1283 00:41:01,565 --> 00:41:08,009 [Ian Landsman]: right I also love that in this video about PHP and technology and code like 1284 00:41:08,029 --> 00:41:10,511 [Ian Landsman]: the number one I guess you pinned it but it's 1285 00:41:10,515 --> 00:41:10,576 [Aaron]: I 1286 00:41:10,531 --> 00:41:10,711 [Ian Landsman]: like 1287 00:41:10,617 --> 00:41:10,881 [Aaron]: pinned 1288 00:41:10,771 --> 00:41:11,011 [Ian Landsman]: funny 1289 00:41:10,942 --> 00:41:11,023 [Aaron]: it, 1290 00:41:11,051 --> 00:41:11,271 [Ian Landsman]: that's 1291 00:41:11,084 --> 00:41:11,288 [Aaron]: yeah. 1292 00:41:11,351 --> 00:41:14,053 [Ian Landsman]: pinned that the loop of comment about the movie loopers kind 1293 00:41:14,082 --> 00:41:14,502 [Aaron]: Yeah, 1294 00:41:14,113 --> 00:41:15,313 [Ian Landsman]: of the top here It's so funny 1295 00:41:15,724 --> 00:41:20,832 [Aaron]: I did a little review of what was happening in 2012 and the movie Looper was in theaters 1296 00:41:20,852 --> 00:41:24,298 [Aaron]: and I was like, this is a good movie. And a lot of people, 1297 00:41:24,020 --> 00:41:24,569 [Ian Landsman]: Hehehehehehe 1298 00:41:24,698 --> 00:41:27,563 [Aaron]: a lot of people commented and said they can't trust me because I thought Looper 1299 00:41:27,583 --> 00:41:29,065 [Aaron]: was good. So. 1300 00:41:29,222 --> 00:41:33,066 [Ian Landsman]: I am definitely on the side of like PHP was never bad. Like it's kind of 1301 00:41:33,086 --> 00:41:33,386 [Ian Landsman]: funny because 1302 00:41:33,398 --> 00:41:33,643 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1303 00:41:33,486 --> 00:41:37,631 [Ian Landsman]: as you were going through there, I'm like all this stuff is really cool. And 1304 00:41:37,671 --> 00:41:40,293 [Ian Landsman]: for people who are, you know, need these things, whatever's great. But I 1305 00:41:40,313 --> 00:41:43,937 [Ian Landsman]: was like the old way, like I'm like 95%. I was like the old way, that was 1306 00:41:43,977 --> 00:41:46,480 [Ian Landsman]: fine. Like I kind of liked the way it was before too. Like that worked for 1307 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:47,421 [Ian Landsman]: me. Right, right. 1308 00:41:48,126 --> 00:41:52,789 [Aaron]: That's my secret is I never thought it sucked either and I still don't use a lot 1309 00:41:52,829 --> 00:41:54,430 [Aaron]: of the features that I talked about, like 1310 00:41:54,490 --> 00:41:54,773 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1311 00:41:54,490 --> 00:41:59,354 [Aaron]: annotations or attributes and all this strict typing and stuff. It's like, I don't 1312 00:41:59,414 --> 00:42:06,098 [Aaron]: really care about that and I love the PHP of yesteryear. And this is another thing, 1313 00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:13,983 [Aaron]: this video is not for my traditional audience on Twitter. My audience 1314 00:42:13,894 --> 00:42:14,238 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1315 00:42:14,004 --> 00:42:19,183 [Aaron]: on Twitter is Laravel developers. This is basically... an outreach video and 1316 00:42:19,174 --> 00:42:19,342 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1317 00:42:19,223 --> 00:42:23,307 [Aaron]: I feel like the audience on YouTube is so much bigger and the 1318 00:42:23,281 --> 00:42:23,428 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1319 00:42:23,367 --> 00:42:27,971 [Aaron]: algorithm does so much work on your behalf that it doesn't really matter who is 1320 00:42:28,311 --> 00:42:36,238 [Aaron]: directly following you. You're making a video for kind of the masses and so it is 1321 00:42:36,258 --> 00:42:39,661 [Aaron]: a little different for me because I'm thinking like, you know, I'm talking to all 1322 00:42:39,701 --> 00:42:43,424 [Aaron]: of our friends. and like, why would I make a video like this for all of our friends? 1323 00:42:43,545 --> 00:42:43,965 [Aaron]: But 1324 00:42:43,850 --> 00:42:44,050 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1325 00:42:44,205 --> 00:42:47,448 [Aaron]: it's YouTube, it's not for our friends. So yeah, 1326 00:42:47,212 --> 00:42:49,954 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1327 00:42:47,588 --> 00:42:48,569 [Aaron]: it's been interesting. 1328 00:42:49,975 --> 00:42:53,157 [Ian Landsman]: I had a discussion with somebody kind of recently about this idea, too. And 1329 00:42:53,217 --> 00:42:56,700 [Ian Landsman]: I think that is like one of the keys of YouTube. Like the point of being 1330 00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,423 [Ian Landsman]: on there in some ways is to reach this new group of people who are not 1331 00:43:00,458 --> 00:43:00,702 [Aaron]: Yes. 1332 00:43:00,663 --> 00:43:06,207 [Ian Landsman]: on traditional Laravel tech, your PHP channels of Twitter. You know, it's 1333 00:43:06,227 --> 00:43:11,154 [Ian Landsman]: like, yeah, just everything. that silo is only a certain size and obviously 1334 00:43:11,174 --> 00:43:11,414 [Ian Landsman]: Twitter 1335 00:43:11,308 --> 00:43:11,497 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1336 00:43:11,434 --> 00:43:14,955 [Ian Landsman]: just has its own issues on top of all that. So it's like the YouTube is so 1337 00:43:14,995 --> 00:43:16,236 [Ian Landsman]: much bigger than Twitter, way, 1338 00:43:16,290 --> 00:43:16,794 [Aaron]: So 1339 00:43:16,876 --> 00:43:17,176 [Ian Landsman]: way 1340 00:43:16,976 --> 00:43:17,218 [Aaron]: much 1341 00:43:17,216 --> 00:43:17,596 [Ian Landsman]: bigger. 1342 00:43:17,278 --> 00:43:17,641 [Aaron]: bigger. 1343 00:43:18,176 --> 00:43:18,556 [Ian Landsman]: And 1344 00:43:18,307 --> 00:43:18,509 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1345 00:43:18,876 --> 00:43:23,278 [Ian Landsman]: the algorithm is I think pretty good at surfacing stuff. I mean, sometimes 1346 00:43:23,298 --> 00:43:26,018 [Ian Landsman]: we're bad, but like overall, like I think it actually does a pretty good 1347 00:43:26,058 --> 00:43:26,679 [Ian Landsman]: job of like 1348 00:43:26,687 --> 00:43:26,891 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1349 00:43:26,739 --> 00:43:30,460 [Ian Landsman]: surfacing things people are interested in. And so yeah, this gives you 1350 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,721 [Ian Landsman]: that opportunity to reach out to other types of developers or unbelievably 1351 00:43:34,741 --> 00:43:39,991 [Ian Landsman]: the PHP developers who are not, you know, on Twitter following Taylor and Laravel. 1352 00:43:39,690 --> 00:43:40,070 [Aaron]: I know, 1353 00:43:40,011 --> 00:43:40,231 [Ian Landsman]: Like 1354 00:43:40,110 --> 00:43:40,270 [Aaron]: can 1355 00:43:40,251 --> 00:43:40,331 [Ian Landsman]: if 1356 00:43:40,290 --> 00:43:40,410 [Aaron]: you 1357 00:43:40,351 --> 00:43:40,532 [Ian Landsman]: you could 1358 00:43:40,450 --> 00:43:40,971 [Aaron]: imagine? 1359 00:43:40,552 --> 00:43:42,215 [Ian Landsman]: believe there are people out there like that. 1360 00:43:42,192 --> 00:43:42,873 [Aaron]: I know. 1361 00:43:42,576 --> 00:43:42,816 [Ian Landsman]: Um, 1362 00:43:44,334 --> 00:43:44,694 [Aaron]: I know, 1363 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:45,141 [Ian Landsman]: it is remarkable, 1364 00:43:44,774 --> 00:43:44,995 [Aaron]: yeah, 1365 00:43:45,181 --> 00:43:45,281 [Ian Landsman]: but. 1366 00:43:45,235 --> 00:43:51,201 [Aaron]: that is crazy to me, that there's a whole set of the community, the PHP community 1367 00:43:51,281 --> 00:43:54,824 [Aaron]: that like is not on Twitter at all talking 1368 00:43:54,579 --> 00:43:54,831 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1369 00:43:54,864 --> 00:43:57,727 [Aaron]: about Folio and Volt all day long. They're like, I have 1370 00:43:57,666 --> 00:43:59,547 [Ian Landsman]: I know. 1371 00:43:57,767 --> 00:43:59,629 [Aaron]: no idea what you're talking about, man. Yeah, 1372 00:43:59,607 --> 00:43:59,687 [Ian Landsman]: And 1373 00:43:59,689 --> 00:43:59,829 [Aaron]: it's 1374 00:43:59,707 --> 00:43:59,967 [Ian Landsman]: we see, 1375 00:43:59,869 --> 00:44:00,209 [Aaron]: crazy. 1376 00:44:00,368 --> 00:44:04,311 [Ian Landsman]: I see this a lot in, I mean, this isn't even a great example, but on Lara 1377 00:44:04,351 --> 00:44:05,692 [Ian Landsman]: jobs, we see it a lot. It's like, oh, there's 1378 00:44:05,451 --> 00:44:05,492 [Aaron]: Mm. 1379 00:44:05,732 --> 00:44:10,415 [Ian Landsman]: companies posting that are not like in the Laravel circle. And that's very 1380 00:44:10,475 --> 00:44:14,618 [Ian Landsman]: Laravel, obviously specific. It's Lara jobs. But that's like one of the 1381 00:44:14,638 --> 00:44:17,720 [Ian Landsman]: areas I'm trying to do more of even with Lara jobs, like reach out to other 1382 00:44:18,501 --> 00:44:20,042 [Ian Landsman]: segments of the PHP 1383 00:44:19,595 --> 00:44:19,862 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1384 00:44:20,082 --> 00:44:25,378 [Ian Landsman]: world since it's really like a PHP job board essentially. And because it's 1385 00:44:25,398 --> 00:44:28,138 [Ian Landsman]: just this huge world of PHP. It's like when I look at other job boards, 1386 00:44:28,198 --> 00:44:30,899 [Ian Landsman]: even the more general ones, like a dice.com or whatever, and there's like 1387 00:44:31,059 --> 00:44:34,260 [Ian Landsman]: all these companies posting, you know, Laravel jobs even who 1388 00:44:34,219 --> 00:44:34,443 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1389 00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,041 [Ian Landsman]: are like, do nothing in the Laravel world, like Disney or whatever, like 1390 00:44:37,081 --> 00:44:41,602 [Ian Landsman]: Disney hasn't sponsored LaraCon or, um, they've never posted a job on Lara 1391 00:44:41,622 --> 00:44:42,643 [Ian Landsman]: jobs, but they have like 1392 00:44:42,636 --> 00:44:42,846 [Aaron]: Right. 1393 00:44:42,703 --> 00:44:44,923 [Ian Landsman]: 10 jobs on dice.com for Laravel developers. 1394 00:44:45,086 --> 00:44:46,095 [Aaron]: Yep. Hmm, 1395 00:44:45,624 --> 00:44:46,404 [Ian Landsman]: It was this like whole 1396 00:44:46,176 --> 00:44:46,660 [Aaron]: interesting. 1397 00:44:46,464 --> 00:44:52,878 [Ian Landsman]: world of PHP and Laravel that's people just going to work every day and. doing 1398 00:44:52,898 --> 00:44:57,321 [Ian Landsman]: their job and leaving and they're not, you know, that closely following what's 1399 00:44:57,361 --> 00:45:02,206 [Ian Landsman]: going on necessarily, um, in the kind of more close knit community that 1400 00:45:02,754 --> 00:45:02,974 [Aaron]: just 1401 00:45:02,846 --> 00:45:03,206 [Ian Landsman]: we tend 1402 00:45:03,134 --> 00:45:03,394 [Aaron]: doing 1403 00:45:03,226 --> 00:45:03,727 [Ian Landsman]: to operate 1404 00:45:03,434 --> 00:45:04,014 [Aaron]: their job 1405 00:45:03,827 --> 00:45:03,967 [Ian Landsman]: in. 1406 00:45:04,054 --> 00:45:04,514 [Aaron]: and going 1407 00:45:04,528 --> 00:45:05,068 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1408 00:45:04,575 --> 00:45:05,295 [Aaron]: home. They're not 1409 00:45:05,328 --> 00:45:05,488 [Ian Landsman]: Can 1410 00:45:05,355 --> 00:45:05,715 [Aaron]: wired 1411 00:45:05,508 --> 00:45:05,909 [Ian Landsman]: you believe 1412 00:45:05,835 --> 00:45:06,055 [Aaron]: in. 1413 00:45:05,989 --> 00:45:06,169 [Ian Landsman]: it? 1414 00:45:06,075 --> 00:45:06,095 [Aaron]: I, 1415 00:45:06,469 --> 00:45:06,689 [Ian Landsman]: That's 1416 00:45:06,636 --> 00:45:09,157 [Aaron]: it sounds, 1417 00:45:06,729 --> 00:45:11,413 [Ian Landsman]: crazy. They're not checking Twitter 24 hours a day for the latest 1418 00:45:10,998 --> 00:45:11,478 [Aaron]: they must be 1419 00:45:11,473 --> 00:45:12,454 [Ian Landsman]: updates. 1420 00:45:11,538 --> 00:45:12,659 [Aaron]: happy. It couldn't 1421 00:45:12,594 --> 00:45:14,176 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1422 00:45:12,699 --> 00:45:13,740 [Aaron]: be me, no way. 1423 00:45:14,236 --> 00:45:16,337 [Ian Landsman]: No way. I don't want any part of that. 1424 00:45:17,302 --> 00:45:24,005 [Aaron]: No way. The video also got, it got reacted to. Did you see 1425 00:45:23,974 --> 00:45:24,902 [Ian Landsman]: Hmm. 1426 00:45:24,025 --> 00:45:24,386 [Aaron]: this? 1427 00:45:24,962 --> 00:45:26,052 [Ian Landsman]: No, I don't think I saw this. 1428 00:45:26,126 --> 00:45:29,288 [Aaron]: There's a popular YouTuber slash Twitch streamer called 1429 00:45:29,137 --> 00:45:29,319 [Ian Landsman]: Oh, 1430 00:45:29,328 --> 00:45:29,408 [Aaron]: The 1431 00:45:29,583 --> 00:45:29,968 [Ian Landsman]: wow. 1432 00:45:29,949 --> 00:45:36,715 [Aaron]: PrimaGen. And he did a react video where he watches my video on stream and reacts 1433 00:45:36,775 --> 00:45:36,955 [Aaron]: to 1434 00:45:36,998 --> 00:45:37,119 [Ian Landsman]: Ha 1435 00:45:37,035 --> 00:45:37,195 [Aaron]: it. 1436 00:45:37,139 --> 00:45:37,583 [Ian Landsman]: ha ha. 1437 00:45:37,716 --> 00:45:41,717 [Aaron]: And I'm like, I'm, I'm so many levels deep into YouTube culture 1438 00:45:41,214 --> 00:45:41,635 [Ian Landsman]: That is 1439 00:45:41,777 --> 00:45:42,117 [Aaron]: now 1440 00:45:41,875 --> 00:45:42,276 [Ian Landsman]: awesome, 1441 00:45:42,177 --> 00:45:42,298 [Aaron]: that 1442 00:45:42,296 --> 00:45:42,397 [Ian Landsman]: that 1443 00:45:42,338 --> 00:45:42,538 [Aaron]: he's 1444 00:45:42,577 --> 00:45:42,838 [Ian Landsman]: is 1445 00:45:42,578 --> 00:45:43,058 [Aaron]: doing that. 1446 00:45:42,918 --> 00:45:43,460 [Ian Landsman]: great, 1447 00:45:43,478 --> 00:45:44,518 [Aaron]: Um, 1448 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:43,961 [Ian Landsman]: yeah. 1449 00:45:44,698 --> 00:45:50,241 [Aaron]: and it, so my video got a hundred thousand views. His video got a hundred thousand views. 1450 00:45:49,678 --> 00:45:50,580 [Ian Landsman]: Wow. So your 1451 00:45:50,481 --> 00:45:50,981 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1452 00:45:50,620 --> 00:45:52,884 [Ian Landsman]: video has kind of been seen 200,000 times 1453 00:45:52,742 --> 00:45:53,122 [Aaron]: Yeah, 1454 00:45:52,924 --> 00:45:53,345 [Ian Landsman]: right there. 1455 00:45:53,142 --> 00:45:59,825 [Aaron]: that's what I'm saying. So it was really, really good. So Primogen has a very strong 1456 00:46:00,005 --> 00:46:01,445 [Aaron]: personality and a very strong 1457 00:46:01,256 --> 00:46:01,298 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 1458 00:46:01,505 --> 00:46:07,301 [Aaron]: brand. um, and that turns a lot of people off, but he is an absolute, like he's 1459 00:46:07,361 --> 00:46:09,222 [Aaron]: a wonderful, wonderful person. 1460 00:46:09,691 --> 00:46:09,774 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 1461 00:46:09,823 --> 00:46:15,507 [Aaron]: And he, uh, we actually DMs before he did the react video. Cause I feel like some 1462 00:46:15,547 --> 00:46:18,969 [Aaron]: people seeing that would be like, I can't believe this guy just watched your video 1463 00:46:19,009 --> 00:46:21,791 [Aaron]: and put himself in the corner and, you know, claim that 1464 00:46:21,713 --> 00:46:21,923 [Ian Landsman]: Alright. 1465 00:46:21,831 --> 00:46:27,015 [Aaron]: as his own content. Like one, that's not what he did. Like he's one of the smartest 1466 00:46:27,235 --> 00:46:29,396 [Aaron]: people that I've seen on YouTube. And two, 1467 00:46:29,231 --> 00:46:29,334 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 1468 00:46:29,476 --> 00:46:35,153 [Aaron]: he asked me beforehand. And honestly, like he was doing me a favor because 1469 00:46:35,150 --> 00:46:35,432 [Ian Landsman]: Right, 1470 00:46:35,173 --> 00:46:35,533 [Aaron]: he's got like 1471 00:46:35,512 --> 00:46:35,855 [Ian Landsman]: yeah. 1472 00:46:35,553 --> 00:46:38,175 [Aaron]: a hundred and fifty thousand subscribers on YouTube 1473 00:46:37,686 --> 00:46:37,948 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1474 00:46:38,696 --> 00:46:42,159 [Aaron]: And then he's got a hundred thousand followers on Twitter And he's tweeting about 1475 00:46:42,279 --> 00:46:47,363 [Aaron]: my video and it just it was like a whole day of just feeling like what is happening? 1476 00:46:47,463 --> 00:46:51,166 [Aaron]: Cuz you know I record these videos and then it takes me forever to edit and then 1477 00:46:51,206 --> 00:46:55,310 [Aaron]: I finally upload it and I've already Lost all the like oh, this is a great video 1478 00:46:55,330 --> 00:46:57,712 [Aaron]: It's like I gotta get this freaking thing off my plate 1479 00:46:57,810 --> 00:46:58,371 [Ian Landsman]: All right. I'm sick 1480 00:46:58,292 --> 00:46:58,492 [Aaron]: and then 1481 00:46:58,391 --> 00:46:58,591 [Ian Landsman]: of this 1482 00:46:58,532 --> 00:46:58,592 [Aaron]: it 1483 00:46:58,631 --> 00:46:58,851 [Ian Landsman]: thing. 1484 00:46:58,632 --> 00:47:00,395 [Aaron]: does well and it's like This 1485 00:47:00,391 --> 00:47:00,471 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 1486 00:47:00,455 --> 00:47:00,556 [Aaron]: is 1487 00:47:00,492 --> 00:47:00,772 [Ian Landsman]: that's 1488 00:47:00,596 --> 00:47:01,542 [Aaron]: so cool! 1489 00:47:00,912 --> 00:47:02,092 [Ian Landsman]: awesome. It's so 1490 00:47:02,086 --> 00:47:02,287 [Aaron]: So 1491 00:47:02,112 --> 00:47:02,312 [Ian Landsman]: great 1492 00:47:02,328 --> 00:47:02,448 [Aaron]: that 1493 00:47:02,332 --> 00:47:02,592 [Ian Landsman]: when that 1494 00:47:02,468 --> 00:47:02,609 [Aaron]: was 1495 00:47:02,612 --> 00:47:03,093 [Ian Landsman]: happens. 1496 00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:03,777 [Aaron]: a fun week, yeah. 1497 00:47:04,613 --> 00:47:07,755 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, that's a, and yeah, like what he's doing there, he's like adding a lot 1498 00:47:07,795 --> 00:47:11,496 [Ian Landsman]: of value, so he's not just like reposting your video he's, 1499 00:47:11,192 --> 00:47:11,486 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1500 00:47:11,697 --> 00:47:16,439 [Ian Landsman]: you know, you know, adding to it for his audience and what they want to see 1501 00:47:16,519 --> 00:47:19,600 [Ian Landsman]: and, um, adding kind of value there, so, and 1502 00:47:19,542 --> 00:47:19,782 [Aaron]: Yeah, 1503 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:20,180 [Ian Landsman]: yeah, obviously 1504 00:47:19,842 --> 00:47:20,302 [Aaron]: he's really 1505 00:47:20,220 --> 00:47:20,681 [Ian Landsman]: exposing 1506 00:47:20,342 --> 00:47:20,663 [Aaron]: good. Like 1507 00:47:20,721 --> 00:47:20,801 [Ian Landsman]: you. 1508 00:47:20,763 --> 00:47:26,348 [Aaron]: one of the things he's really good at is like, he knows so many languages. He's 1509 00:47:26,368 --> 00:47:28,009 [Aaron]: an engineer at Netflix, and so he's worked 1510 00:47:28,118 --> 00:47:28,479 [Ian Landsman]: Okay. 1511 00:47:28,310 --> 00:47:29,691 [Aaron]: in a bunch of different places. 1512 00:47:30,325 --> 00:47:30,365 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 1513 00:47:30,452 --> 00:47:33,594 [Aaron]: He knows so many languages that he can look at all these things that I'm running 1514 00:47:33,634 --> 00:47:37,538 [Aaron]: through. And he's like, oh, this is kind of how C Sharp does it. Oh, well in JavaScript, 1515 00:47:38,159 --> 00:47:41,902 [Aaron]: it's done this way, and I hate that, and I really like that PHP does this. And he 1516 00:47:41,922 --> 00:47:43,303 [Aaron]: can compare it across 1517 00:47:43,216 --> 00:47:43,299 [Ian Landsman]: Mmm. 1518 00:47:43,704 --> 00:47:47,064 [Aaron]: a whole bunch of languages where I... I just can't do that. 1519 00:47:47,026 --> 00:47:47,291 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1520 00:47:47,104 --> 00:47:49,561 [Aaron]: Like I've never worked in C sharp. I don't know what C sharp is. 1521 00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:54,237 [Ian Landsman]: So is he not, he hasn't used PHP much then it sounds like? So he's 1522 00:47:53,874 --> 00:47:55,955 [Aaron]: No, not since the era that 1523 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:56,161 [Ian Landsman]: the old 1524 00:47:56,035 --> 00:47:56,336 [Aaron]: I talked 1525 00:47:56,201 --> 00:47:56,622 [Ian Landsman]: days, 1526 00:47:56,376 --> 00:47:56,616 [Aaron]: about. 1527 00:47:56,642 --> 00:47:57,643 [Ian Landsman]: okay. 1528 00:47:56,696 --> 00:47:57,516 [Aaron]: Yeah, and so 1529 00:47:57,663 --> 00:47:57,824 [Ian Landsman]: Oh, so 1530 00:47:57,797 --> 00:47:57,857 [Aaron]: it 1531 00:47:57,844 --> 00:47:57,944 [Ian Landsman]: he's 1532 00:47:57,877 --> 00:47:57,977 [Aaron]: was 1533 00:47:57,964 --> 00:47:58,365 [Ian Landsman]: perfect 1534 00:47:58,017 --> 00:47:58,477 [Aaron]: really cool 1535 00:47:58,385 --> 00:47:58,505 [Ian Landsman]: for 1536 00:47:58,497 --> 00:47:59,458 [Aaron]: because 1537 00:47:58,565 --> 00:47:58,865 [Ian Landsman]: it, yeah. 1538 00:47:59,498 --> 00:48:02,921 [Aaron]: he started the video and he was like, I feel like he's talking exactly about me. 1539 00:48:02,961 --> 00:48:03,361 [Aaron]: I came up 1540 00:48:03,387 --> 00:48:03,632 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 1541 00:48:03,421 --> 00:48:03,942 [Aaron]: on PHP 1542 00:48:03,652 --> 00:48:04,266 [Ian Landsman]: Ahem. 1543 00:48:03,962 --> 00:48:10,207 [Aaron]: and then I've never used it. And so there were some things that he genuinely liked. 1544 00:48:10,770 --> 00:48:10,896 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 1545 00:48:11,348 --> 00:48:13,749 [Aaron]: So I'm really happy about how that went. 1546 00:48:14,342 --> 00:48:15,975 [Ian Landsman]: So what's the next video in this series? 1547 00:48:16,810 --> 00:48:20,072 [Aaron]: Yeah, so I've got a few that I'm thinking of. 1548 00:48:19,956 --> 00:48:19,997 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 1549 00:48:20,372 --> 00:48:26,696 [Aaron]: Um, and I think there are, you know, I get a lot of the ideas for like, what's next 1550 00:48:26,897 --> 00:48:29,839 [Aaron]: from the comments on, on these videos. 1551 00:48:30,084 --> 00:48:30,369 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm. 1552 00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:35,563 [Aaron]: And, you know, I have a bunch of my own ideas, but it is nice to see what are people 1553 00:48:35,623 --> 00:48:41,647 [Aaron]: continually, continually surfacing. Um, and so I think a few that I have in mind 1554 00:48:41,987 --> 00:48:48,002 [Aaron]: is, um, I want to do for, for the super type heavy people, I want to do generics in 1555 00:48:48,042 --> 00:48:49,343 [Aaron]: PHP. One, 1556 00:48:49,252 --> 00:48:49,314 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 1557 00:48:49,383 --> 00:48:51,623 [Aaron]: I got to learn how to even do that. But I 1558 00:48:51,655 --> 00:48:51,922 [Ian Landsman]: Alright. 1559 00:48:51,663 --> 00:48:57,305 [Aaron]: do want to show that like, we have further typing than is available in the language 1560 00:48:57,385 --> 00:48:57,965 [Aaron]: itself. 1561 00:48:58,430 --> 00:48:58,472 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 1562 00:48:59,006 --> 00:49:03,407 [Aaron]: Basically, and you know, you always have to think of like, what's the angle? And 1563 00:49:03,467 --> 00:49:08,088 [Aaron]: I think the angle here is like, TypeScript for PHP almost, because it's like, 1564 00:49:07,958 --> 00:49:08,081 [Ian Landsman]: Mmm. 1565 00:49:08,308 --> 00:49:11,869 [Aaron]: we're using PHP, but we're putting this layer on top and... 1566 00:49:12,273 --> 00:49:12,584 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 1567 00:49:12,294 --> 00:49:15,536 [Aaron]: in the same way that you're using JavaScript and you're putting a layer on top. So I got 1568 00:49:15,556 --> 00:49:16,997 [Aaron]: to figure out like the catchy angle there. 1569 00:49:17,627 --> 00:49:19,080 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 1570 00:49:18,158 --> 00:49:19,238 [Aaron]: And then I want to do 1571 00:49:19,181 --> 00:49:19,322 [Ian Landsman]: Ahem. 1572 00:49:20,459 --> 00:49:26,243 [Aaron]: I want to do a Laravel is faster than next JS video. 1573 00:49:26,606 --> 00:49:27,611 [Ian Landsman]: Ooh, that'll be a good one. 1574 00:49:27,524 --> 00:49:28,465 [Aaron]: I know spicy 1575 00:49:28,235 --> 00:49:28,476 [Ian Landsman]: That's 1576 00:49:28,505 --> 00:49:28,745 [Aaron]: right. 1577 00:49:28,516 --> 00:49:29,441 [Ian Landsman]: a good one. Yeah, that's 1578 00:49:29,386 --> 00:49:29,486 [Aaron]: So 1579 00:49:29,481 --> 00:49:29,501 [Ian Landsman]: a 1580 00:49:29,526 --> 00:49:29,566 [Aaron]: I 1581 00:49:29,541 --> 00:49:29,863 [Ian Landsman]: spicy 1582 00:49:29,586 --> 00:49:30,106 [Aaron]: got to figure 1583 00:49:29,944 --> 00:49:30,004 [Ian Landsman]: one. 1584 00:49:30,246 --> 00:49:34,409 [Aaron]: out I'm having Steve just Steve King on Twitter. 1585 00:49:34,745 --> 00:49:34,930 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm 1586 00:49:35,070 --> 00:49:39,152 [Aaron]: Steve McDougall I think is his name but his handles just Steve King. He's going 1587 00:49:39,173 --> 00:49:42,934 [Aaron]: to help me set up a Docker. container. I don't know anything about Docker. He's going 1588 00:49:42,954 --> 00:49:46,915 [Aaron]: to help me set up a Docker container that has the Next.js app and a Laravel app 1589 00:49:46,935 --> 00:49:48,416 [Aaron]: with Octane. And I'm going 1590 00:49:48,378 --> 00:49:48,419 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 1591 00:49:48,436 --> 00:49:53,657 [Aaron]: to load test and see if the Laravel one is faster. I super hope that it is because 1592 00:49:53,677 --> 00:49:55,238 [Aaron]: that would be 1593 00:49:54,310 --> 00:49:54,864 [Ian Landsman]: Ha ha ha. 1594 00:49:55,438 --> 00:50:00,019 [Aaron]: an amazing video that would make a lot of Next fans really mad and a lot of Laravel 1595 00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:07,781 [Aaron]: people really happy. And then the last one I have on actually two more. I've got Livewire 1596 00:50:07,832 --> 00:50:07,872 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 1597 00:50:07,921 --> 00:50:12,505 [Aaron]: SPA mode. So like I want to show that you can create a single page app with just 1598 00:50:12,545 --> 00:50:19,752 [Aaron]: PHP, obviously it's Livewire JavaScript, but you know, the angle is SBA with PHP and 1599 00:50:19,792 --> 00:50:26,599 [Aaron]: then I'm having Boris Lepkin help me set up a repo where I can do end to end strict 1600 00:50:26,659 --> 00:50:30,423 [Aaron]: typing with Laravel inertia and view. 1601 00:50:31,192 --> 00:50:31,296 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 1602 00:50:31,644 --> 00:50:35,728 [Aaron]: And I can have all of that. like TypeScript all the way through. Cause people are 1603 00:50:35,666 --> 00:50:35,897 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1604 00:50:35,768 --> 00:50:40,274 [Aaron]: always like, well, I'd never switched to PHP because I love type end to end type 1605 00:50:40,314 --> 00:50:41,375 [Aaron]: safety. And 1606 00:50:41,330 --> 00:50:41,582 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 1607 00:50:41,395 --> 00:50:45,520 [Aaron]: like one, that's a red herring. That's dumb. That's a bad reason to stay with JavaScript 1608 00:50:45,540 --> 00:50:50,125 [Aaron]: on the back end. And two, you can have that. You can have that in Laravel. So those 1609 00:50:50,166 --> 00:50:53,409 [Aaron]: are my videos. I got to think of catchy angles and spicy titles and stuff. 1610 00:50:53,402 --> 00:50:56,804 [Ian Landsman]: I like it. I really liked the Livewire one too. I feel like Livewire is part 1611 00:50:56,844 --> 00:51:01,326 [Ian Landsman]: of it is it's like a pretty complicated thing to explain, you know, cause 1612 00:51:01,366 --> 00:51:04,668 [Ian Landsman]: it's like this, it's just not like anything else. You know, it's like, it's 1613 00:51:04,708 --> 00:51:04,868 [Ian Landsman]: not 1614 00:51:04,832 --> 00:51:05,013 [Aaron]: Yep. 1615 00:51:04,908 --> 00:51:09,551 [Ian Landsman]: like React. It's not like Vue, like it does what they do in the end, but it's 1616 00:51:09,811 --> 00:51:14,453 [Ian Landsman]: nothing like them and how you use it. So like, I do feel like it's just any 1617 00:51:14,473 --> 00:51:17,175 [Ian Landsman]: kind of exposure or ways to like, get people 1618 00:51:16,954 --> 00:51:17,078 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1619 00:51:17,235 --> 00:51:22,886 [Ian Landsman]: to understand how valuable it is and how faster it can make you. once you 1620 00:51:22,926 --> 00:51:26,808 [Ian Landsman]: really kind of understand what it's trying to do is, uh, is would be really 1621 00:51:26,848 --> 00:51:30,371 [Ian Landsman]: great. So again, reach that other, that other audience that's not in the 1622 00:51:30,451 --> 00:51:33,133 [Ian Landsman]: super core. That's like, oh yeah, we know already about livewire.larribelle.com 1623 00:51:32,874 --> 00:51:33,377 [Aaron]: Exactly. 1624 00:51:34,013 --> 00:51:34,974 [Ian Landsman]: and it's up there in version 1625 00:51:34,868 --> 00:51:35,009 [Aaron]: Yep. 1626 00:51:34,994 --> 00:51:40,238 [Ian Landsman]: three and blah, blah. Like, and I think too, it's kind of become, I feel 1627 00:51:40,258 --> 00:51:44,040 [Ian Landsman]: like version three is like, it's ready for prime time now. So I'd be great 1628 00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:47,482 [Ian Landsman]: to see more people making videos and all that stuff about it too, just because 1629 00:51:48,103 --> 00:51:52,958 [Ian Landsman]: it's kind of matured to this level where it's really ready to take on. You 1630 00:51:52,950 --> 00:51:53,330 [Aaron]: Yep, 1631 00:51:52,979 --> 00:51:53,683 [Ian Landsman]: know, serious, 1632 00:51:53,450 --> 00:51:53,750 [Aaron]: I agree. 1633 00:51:53,743 --> 00:51:55,372 [Ian Landsman]: serious work, quote unquote. 1634 00:51:55,872 --> 00:52:00,415 [Aaron]: Yeah, and I think with the version three release, they did a lot of stuff that 1635 00:52:01,596 --> 00:52:05,658 [Aaron]: makes it more usable. Like this whole SPA mode thing is really cool. And Jason 1636 00:52:05,522 --> 00:52:05,732 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1637 00:52:05,698 --> 00:52:11,182 [Aaron]: Beggs did a tutorial slash demo for Laravel News showing like a podcast player. 1638 00:52:11,602 --> 00:52:15,765 [Aaron]: And I think the whole shtick is like, it keeps playing even when you switch pages, 1639 00:52:16,166 --> 00:52:16,306 [Aaron]: which 1640 00:52:16,189 --> 00:52:16,420 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1641 00:52:16,346 --> 00:52:22,514 [Aaron]: is like the hallmark of SPA thing, SPA demo. And so I may just use that. Um, as 1642 00:52:22,574 --> 00:52:22,894 [Aaron]: my, 1643 00:52:22,854 --> 00:52:23,038 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1644 00:52:23,234 --> 00:52:29,956 [Aaron]: as my example, because yeah, I feel like even, even in LiveWire land, like you've 1645 00:52:29,996 --> 00:52:36,037 [Aaron]: got Hotwire, you've got Stimulus, you've got Phoenix live view, you've got HTMX, all 1646 00:52:36,077 --> 00:52:40,939 [Aaron]: of those are kind of like HTML over the wire domdiffing. Um, 1647 00:52:40,772 --> 00:52:40,996 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1648 00:52:40,959 --> 00:52:45,000 [Aaron]: but I think LiveWire is even, I would say better, but definitely different than all 1649 00:52:45,060 --> 00:52:50,521 [Aaron]: of those in that one, PHP dies. Like you have to build the whole universe on every 1650 00:52:50,581 --> 00:52:51,081 [Aaron]: request. 1651 00:52:51,538 --> 00:52:51,864 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 1652 00:52:51,690 --> 00:52:55,633 [Aaron]: And so like with Ruby, you've got this server that's continually running, and are 1653 00:52:55,653 --> 00:53:00,097 [Aaron]: you keeping state around back there? I don't super know, but with LiveWire, it's 1654 00:53:00,137 --> 00:53:05,842 [Aaron]: like, no, we gotta send everything back and forth all the time. And one of the 1655 00:53:05,982 --> 00:53:10,706 [Aaron]: complaints about LiveWire on the video that I did was like, oh, so how many connections 1656 00:53:10,726 --> 00:53:14,889 [Aaron]: do you have to keep open all the time to send the data back and forth? And you're 1657 00:53:15,410 --> 00:53:15,690 [Aaron]: like, none. 1658 00:53:15,578 --> 00:53:15,782 [Ian Landsman]: Right? 1659 00:53:15,710 --> 00:53:19,353 [Aaron]: You don't leave stuff open with PHP. Everything dies, and you recreate the universe 1660 00:53:19,393 --> 00:53:19,853 [Aaron]: every time. 1661 00:53:20,451 --> 00:53:20,654 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1662 00:53:20,534 --> 00:53:25,146 [Aaron]: So I do think there's a fundamental disparity between what people think is happening 1663 00:53:25,186 --> 00:53:26,289 [Aaron]: and what is actually happening. 1664 00:53:26,938 --> 00:53:32,338 [Ian Landsman]: Right. And just like that, that's even like, um, it's PHP's way of doing it has 1665 00:53:32,378 --> 00:53:35,940 [Ian Landsman]: become more and more viable over time, right? It's like, oh, that was kind 1666 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,902 [Ian Landsman]: of a stupid way to do it. Maybe you can make the case way back in the day because 1667 00:53:38,922 --> 00:53:41,784 [Ian Landsman]: like the computers weren't that fast and the network wasn't that fast. And 1668 00:53:41,804 --> 00:53:44,585 [Ian Landsman]: like you're sending stuff back and forth and you're setting up the whole world 1669 00:53:44,605 --> 00:53:47,567 [Ian Landsman]: every time and everything. But now it's like everything's so fast. It's like, 1670 00:53:47,867 --> 00:53:51,789 [Ian Landsman]: yeah, and it's great. I could just reset it up every time. And that does 1671 00:53:51,829 --> 00:53:56,572 [Ian Landsman]: solve a lot of, you know, it creates other problems, but it does solve a 1672 00:53:56,832 --> 00:54:01,502 [Ian Landsman]: nice set of problems too. And. Yeah, yeah, how LiveWire does all that. I mean, 1673 00:54:01,522 --> 00:54:07,065 [Ian Landsman]: the stuff LiveWire does to make this all work is sort of nuts. But, uh, it's 1674 00:54:07,085 --> 00:54:11,848 [Ian Landsman]: so nice to rebuild everything. So now it's like really, you know, cause when 1675 00:54:11,868 --> 00:54:14,549 [Ian Landsman]: you first build something the first time, you don't really understand what 1676 00:54:14,589 --> 00:54:19,071 [Ian Landsman]: it's even going to be. And to rebuild it with that understanding, I think 1677 00:54:19,111 --> 00:54:22,593 [Ian Landsman]: has made a ton of really huge improvements and how it all works. 1678 00:54:23,358 --> 00:54:31,863 [Aaron]: Yeah, and on that PHP lifecycle model, we got really lucky that PHP is basically tailor-made 1679 00:54:31,883 --> 00:54:34,825 [Aaron]: for serverless environments. Because it's like, 1680 00:54:34,929 --> 00:54:35,011 [Ian Landsman]: Mmm. 1681 00:54:35,025 --> 00:54:38,607 [Aaron]: it runs one thing stateless, and then it dies. 1682 00:54:38,282 --> 00:54:38,502 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1683 00:54:38,767 --> 00:54:38,927 [Aaron]: And it's 1684 00:54:38,883 --> 00:54:39,023 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1685 00:54:38,947 --> 00:54:39,087 [Aaron]: like, 1686 00:54:39,044 --> 00:54:39,665 [Ian Landsman]: It's perfect for 1687 00:54:39,607 --> 00:54:40,028 [Aaron]: oh, 1688 00:54:39,705 --> 00:54:40,126 [Ian Landsman]: serverless. Yup. 1689 00:54:40,068 --> 00:54:42,929 [Aaron]: you're describing PHP. Yeah. 1690 00:54:45,298 --> 00:54:50,767 [Ian Landsman]: It was a big change. I started in, um, cold fusion. And ColdFusion had a server 1691 00:54:50,887 --> 00:54:53,990 [Ian Landsman]: which you could store state in there and other stuff. 1692 00:54:53,786 --> 00:54:53,931 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1693 00:54:54,030 --> 00:54:57,552 [Ian Landsman]: You could do all kinds of things. And then I started doing some PHP and I was 1694 00:54:57,572 --> 00:55:00,375 [Ian Landsman]: like, Oh, like this doesn't do anything at all for me. 1695 00:55:00,799 --> 00:55:01,003 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1696 00:55:00,895 --> 00:55:03,858 [Ian Landsman]: And then also it was like pre frameworks. Essentially there was a couple 1697 00:55:03,878 --> 00:55:07,941 [Ian Landsman]: of like very rudimentary frameworks. And so it was like, there's nothing at all 1698 00:55:08,001 --> 00:55:12,965 [Ian Landsman]: here, but okay, we'll do this. And, uh, yeah, but now it's obviously with 1699 00:55:12,985 --> 00:55:16,688 [Ian Landsman]: Laravel and just the whole state of everything that's going on with servers. 1700 00:55:16,708 --> 00:55:22,904 [Ian Landsman]: It's, uh, it's so much nicer. And. Um, and yes, the hosting situation and 1701 00:55:22,944 --> 00:55:23,665 [Ian Landsman]: server lists 1702 00:55:23,386 --> 00:55:23,551 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1703 00:55:23,765 --> 00:55:28,868 [Ian Landsman]: and all the options we have now changes all that a lot. Um, but yeah, and 1704 00:55:28,908 --> 00:55:31,850 [Ian Landsman]: even live wire, like what he's done in version three, where it's like bundling 1705 00:55:31,890 --> 00:55:33,911 [Ian Landsman]: requests and things like that. So like even 1706 00:55:33,632 --> 00:55:33,985 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1707 00:55:34,272 --> 00:55:38,975 [Ian Landsman]: wire concerns that, you know, you weren't holding them open, but it was having 1708 00:55:38,995 --> 00:55:42,277 [Ian Landsman]: to call back and forth a lot. If you had a bunch of components and things 1709 00:55:42,297 --> 00:55:45,479 [Ian Landsman]: like now it's just all bundled together, so that's all way more efficient 1710 00:55:45,499 --> 00:55:48,381 [Ian Landsman]: and yeah, it's, it's really pretty advanced now. 1711 00:55:49,086 --> 00:55:50,948 [Aaron]: Yeah. Good job, Caleb. Way to go. 1712 00:55:51,928 --> 00:55:53,132 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, love Caleb. He's the man. 1713 00:55:53,846 --> 00:55:57,669 [Aaron]: Well, we've been mostly technical. Do you wanna go back to non-technical for a 1714 00:55:57,709 --> 00:55:58,010 [Aaron]: second? 1715 00:55:57,866 --> 00:55:58,908 [Ian Landsman]: Sure, sure. 1716 00:55:59,271 --> 00:55:59,651 [Aaron]: We give 1717 00:56:00,112 --> 00:56:00,212 [Ian Landsman]: What 1718 00:56:00,112 --> 00:56:00,212 [Aaron]: the 1719 00:56:00,232 --> 00:56:00,272 [Ian Landsman]: do 1720 00:56:00,252 --> 00:56:00,652 [Aaron]: technical 1721 00:56:00,292 --> 00:56:00,733 [Ian Landsman]: you got for me? 1722 00:56:00,732 --> 00:56:05,737 [Aaron]: people a break. Are you hiring someone to create family photo books? 1723 00:56:07,022 --> 00:56:08,848 [Ian Landsman]: Family photo books. Yes. So this is 1724 00:56:08,830 --> 00:56:09,111 [Aaron]: Okay 1725 00:56:08,908 --> 00:56:09,129 [Ian Landsman]: my 1726 00:56:09,131 --> 00:56:10,535 [Aaron]: so I saw this on Twitter and I thought 1727 00:56:10,634 --> 00:56:10,935 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1728 00:56:10,676 --> 00:56:12,462 [Aaron]: Ian is a galaxy brain. Like 1729 00:56:12,801 --> 00:56:13,082 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1730 00:56:13,024 --> 00:56:15,793 [Aaron]: I knew you were like a planet brain but this is galaxy brain. 1731 00:56:16,462 --> 00:56:21,025 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. So this is the thing I, I used to be super into photography and I've 1732 00:56:21,085 --> 00:56:24,767 [Ian Landsman]: gotten, I've dialed it back a little bit here, especially as the kids have 1733 00:56:24,787 --> 00:56:27,549 [Ian Landsman]: gotten older and they're just like, get that camera out of my face, you know, 1734 00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:31,432 [Ian Landsman]: but whatever. When they're little, like, it's awesome. Like, so I'd be, I'd always 1735 00:56:31,452 --> 00:56:36,415 [Ian Landsman]: have the fancy camera. I'm taking pictures of the kids. And then I'm taking pictures 1736 00:56:36,435 --> 00:56:42,030 [Ian Landsman]: of just other sorts of things, nature and whatnot. And then, um, So I'd always 1737 00:56:42,050 --> 00:56:44,931 [Ian Landsman]: make these photo books. I'd have all these photos, I'd spend the time, 1738 00:56:44,971 --> 00:56:48,773 [Ian Landsman]: I'd get them all edited, all nice, and make books, and blah, blah. But then 1739 00:56:48,793 --> 00:56:51,634 [Ian Landsman]: just recently, kids are bigger, like we talked about at the beginning, it's 1740 00:56:51,654 --> 00:56:54,035 [Ian Landsman]: just like they have so much stuff going on, they're running around all 1741 00:56:54,055 --> 00:56:57,317 [Ian Landsman]: the time, work's busy, doing podcasts, like all this 1742 00:56:57,314 --> 00:56:57,517 [Aaron]: Hehehehe 1743 00:56:57,337 --> 00:57:00,978 [Ian Landsman]: stuff. There's just not time to make the photo books. And it's kind of funny, 1744 00:57:01,018 --> 00:57:03,819 [Ian Landsman]: so we did this, the vacation I'm on right now with the people I'm on right 1745 00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:07,621 [Ian Landsman]: now, we did this a year ago to a different place. And I was like, all right, 1746 00:57:07,661 --> 00:57:08,281 [Ian Landsman]: I'll make the photo book. 1747 00:57:09,015 --> 00:57:09,225 [Aaron]: Hehehe 1748 00:57:09,210 --> 00:57:11,631 [Ian Landsman]: And I did not, I still have not done the photo book. The photo book is 1749 00:57:11,691 --> 00:57:12,672 [Ian Landsman]: not done from a year ago. 1750 00:57:12,586 --> 00:57:12,707 [Aaron]: You 1751 00:57:12,692 --> 00:57:12,792 [Ian Landsman]: We 1752 00:57:12,767 --> 00:57:13,049 [Aaron]: never, 1753 00:57:12,812 --> 00:57:13,072 [Ian Landsman]: are now 1754 00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:13,230 [Aaron]: you 1755 00:57:13,112 --> 00:57:13,312 [Ian Landsman]: on the 1756 00:57:13,330 --> 00:57:13,592 [Aaron]: never 1757 00:57:13,472 --> 00:57:13,733 [Ian Landsman]: second 1758 00:57:13,652 --> 00:57:14,437 [Aaron]: volunteer. 1759 00:57:13,753 --> 00:57:14,333 [Ian Landsman]: vacation. 1760 00:57:14,557 --> 00:57:16,569 [Aaron]: You never volunteer for that kind of stuff. 1761 00:57:17,355 --> 00:57:20,657 [Ian Landsman]: So now we're on the second vacation. I still haven't done the photo book from the 1762 00:57:20,677 --> 00:57:25,981 [Ian Landsman]: first vacation. And so I have, you know, I have other trips and things that 1763 00:57:26,041 --> 00:57:30,864 [Ian Landsman]: I would want to do little books for. Um, I just have this huge backlog of photo 1764 00:57:30,884 --> 00:57:34,667 [Ian Landsman]: books. So yeah, it just struck me one day, like a week or two back there. 1765 00:57:34,787 --> 00:57:37,809 [Ian Landsman]: And I was like, I can outsource the creation of these photo books. Like I'm 1766 00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:37,969 [Ian Landsman]: not 1767 00:57:37,899 --> 00:57:38,268 [Aaron]: Yes! 1768 00:57:38,009 --> 00:57:41,443 [Ian Landsman]: doing anything. Especially because these are not like at this point more like 1769 00:57:41,523 --> 00:57:45,104 [Ian Landsman]: artistic photos where I felt like Back in the day. I was more like creating 1770 00:57:45,124 --> 00:57:45,724 [Ian Landsman]: the art like I 1771 00:57:45,742 --> 00:57:46,050 [Aaron]: Sure. 1772 00:57:45,764 --> 00:57:49,986 [Ian Landsman]: might have a black and white photo of a certain scene And like I want it 1773 00:57:50,006 --> 00:57:54,428 [Ian Landsman]: to be a certain way. This is like me on my iphone snapping pictures 1774 00:57:54,447 --> 00:57:54,771 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm 1775 00:57:54,688 --> 00:57:59,970 [Ian Landsman]: like just pick the smileiest one and Edit it up to fit in the right box 1776 00:57:59,990 --> 00:58:04,352 [Ian Landsman]: in the page and throw that stuff together and make me a photo book so it seems 1777 00:58:04,372 --> 00:58:10,130 [Ian Landsman]: like pretty much anybody could handle this like um without and it'll be fine, 1778 00:58:10,250 --> 00:58:13,552 [Ian Landsman]: right? It'll be fine. It'll be a nice little photo book to have on the 1779 00:58:13,572 --> 00:58:16,574 [Ian Landsman]: shelf. And the kids always love the photo books. Like we have this big pile 1780 00:58:16,594 --> 00:58:19,256 [Ian Landsman]: of photo books from all of our trips and they go through them and whatever. 1781 00:58:19,316 --> 00:58:23,739 [Ian Landsman]: So that's my plan. I don't know. I did 1782 00:58:23,670 --> 00:58:23,830 [Aaron]: Has 1783 00:58:23,779 --> 00:58:24,060 [Ian Landsman]: a little 1784 00:58:23,870 --> 00:58:24,372 [Aaron]: it worked? 1785 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:24,820 [Ian Landsman]: bit of research, 1786 00:58:24,452 --> 00:58:25,053 [Aaron]: So you said it 1787 00:58:25,060 --> 00:58:25,260 [Ian Landsman]: though 1788 00:58:25,093 --> 00:58:25,374 [Aaron]: sounds 1789 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:25,380 [Ian Landsman]: I 1790 00:58:25,414 --> 00:58:25,595 [Aaron]: like 1791 00:58:25,421 --> 00:58:25,901 [Ian Landsman]: haven't done 1792 00:58:25,735 --> 00:58:26,196 [Aaron]: anybody 1793 00:58:25,961 --> 00:58:26,061 [Ian Landsman]: it. 1794 00:58:26,236 --> 00:58:28,883 [Aaron]: can do it. Has anybody been able to do it? 1795 00:58:28,986 --> 00:58:30,746 [Ian Landsman]: Nobody's done it yet. So I've 1796 00:58:30,807 --> 00:58:30,968 [Aaron]: Where 1797 00:58:30,866 --> 00:58:31,106 [Ian Landsman]: looked 1798 00:58:31,008 --> 00:58:31,108 [Aaron]: are 1799 00:58:31,126 --> 00:58:31,627 [Ian Landsman]: through, 1800 00:58:31,128 --> 00:58:31,609 [Aaron]: you looking? 1801 00:58:31,647 --> 00:58:37,269 [Ian Landsman]: I don't know. So since that tweet where I said that, I have not really 1802 00:58:37,289 --> 00:58:41,631 [Ian Landsman]: had time to then delve too much farther. I went into Upwork. There are people 1803 00:58:41,651 --> 00:58:45,332 [Ian Landsman]: who sort of claim to do it, but then it's a little bit not clear what they 1804 00:58:45,833 --> 00:58:48,894 [Ian Landsman]: actually are providing. There's some who are doing it like only for weddings, 1805 00:58:49,514 --> 00:58:49,854 [Ian Landsman]: which is not 1806 00:58:49,859 --> 00:58:50,041 [Aaron]: Mmm, 1807 00:58:49,874 --> 00:58:51,195 [Ian Landsman]: really the right thing because they're gonna wanna 1808 00:58:51,051 --> 00:58:51,758 [Aaron]: too expensive, 1809 00:58:51,215 --> 00:58:51,855 [Ian Landsman]: charge a ton 1810 00:58:51,819 --> 00:58:51,960 [Aaron]: yeah. 1811 00:58:51,895 --> 00:58:58,142 [Ian Landsman]: of money and do like a fancy book, which is not what this is. So I'm. If 1812 00:58:58,182 --> 00:59:01,367 [Ian Landsman]: anybody out there knows of, um, either a service that does this or even 1813 00:59:01,387 --> 00:59:06,016 [Ian Landsman]: just like photo editing services or things like that, cause I obviously there's 1814 00:59:06,036 --> 00:59:08,460 [Ian Landsman]: like upwork, but I didn't love the 1815 00:59:08,518 --> 00:59:08,878 [Aaron]: Or like 1816 00:59:08,660 --> 00:59:09,021 [Ian Landsman]: options 1817 00:59:09,019 --> 00:59:09,119 [Aaron]: a 1818 00:59:09,041 --> 00:59:09,281 [Ian Landsman]: there. 1819 00:59:09,399 --> 00:59:11,721 [Aaron]: stay at home parent who knows how to use 1820 00:59:11,706 --> 00:59:11,746 [Ian Landsman]: I 1821 00:59:11,761 --> 00:59:11,781 [Aaron]: a 1822 00:59:11,766 --> 00:59:11,906 [Ian Landsman]: mean, 1823 00:59:11,821 --> 00:59:12,301 [Aaron]: computer. 1824 00:59:12,006 --> 00:59:12,467 [Ian Landsman]: that would be 1825 00:59:12,382 --> 00:59:12,602 [Aaron]: That's 1826 00:59:12,507 --> 00:59:12,808 [Ian Landsman]: fine 1827 00:59:12,682 --> 00:59:13,202 [Aaron]: basically 1828 00:59:12,848 --> 00:59:13,189 [Ian Landsman]: too. 1829 00:59:13,222 --> 00:59:13,362 [Aaron]: what 1830 00:59:13,249 --> 00:59:13,409 [Ian Landsman]: Like 1831 00:59:13,382 --> 00:59:13,923 [Aaron]: you need. 1832 00:59:14,291 --> 00:59:17,778 [Ian Landsman]: if you're out there and just wanna do this for me, like I'm also totally 1833 00:59:17,819 --> 00:59:19,001 [Ian Landsman]: fine with that. Like we can. 1834 00:59:18,887 --> 00:59:23,471 [Aaron]: Yeah, is your husband or wife a functioning adult and can use a computer? 1835 00:59:23,374 --> 00:59:23,854 [Ian Landsman]: and wants to 1836 00:59:23,811 --> 00:59:24,292 [Aaron]: Contact 1837 00:59:23,874 --> 00:59:25,234 [Ian Landsman]: do this. Yeah. 1838 00:59:24,392 --> 00:59:24,652 [Aaron]: Ian. 1839 00:59:25,314 --> 00:59:29,436 [Ian Landsman]: I mean, that's totally, I'm totally on board with that. Maybe this is the 1840 00:59:29,476 --> 00:59:32,097 [Ian Landsman]: SaaS we should be building. Maybe that's what'll come out of this podcast. 1841 00:59:32,117 --> 00:59:32,597 [Ian Landsman]: We'll build the 1842 00:59:32,638 --> 00:59:35,343 [Aaron]: Yeah, 1843 00:59:32,958 --> 00:59:36,099 [Ian Landsman]: photo book creation service SaaS app. But, right. 1844 00:59:36,005 --> 00:59:38,089 [Aaron]: yeah. Yeah, we could make tens of dollars that way, 1845 00:59:38,140 --> 00:59:39,040 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 1846 00:59:38,149 --> 00:59:40,274 [Aaron]: I think. Ha ha ha. 1847 00:59:41,721 --> 00:59:44,822 [Ian Landsman]: But it's like, if there was just like a site and I don't want to build 1848 00:59:44,862 --> 00:59:48,464 [Ian Landsman]: this, but if it was just like a service that does this, that's like a hundred 1849 00:59:48,484 --> 00:59:49,785 [Ian Landsman]: bucks a book, like they 1850 00:59:49,706 --> 00:59:49,866 [Aaron]: Yep. 1851 00:59:49,805 --> 00:59:53,010 [Ian Landsman]: would just already have like three books for me, like just done. even 150 1852 00:59:53,470 --> 00:59:53,610 [Ian Landsman]: bucks 1853 00:59:53,471 --> 00:59:53,791 [Aaron]: I agree. 1854 00:59:53,650 --> 00:59:54,691 [Ian Landsman]: a book, like whatever. Like 1855 00:59:54,613 --> 00:59:55,173 [Aaron]: I fully agree. 1856 00:59:55,071 --> 00:59:58,975 [Ian Landsman]: I would just pay the money. I don't wanna think about it. I wanna upload 1857 00:59:59,095 --> 01:00:02,858 [Ian Landsman]: my thousand pictures from my trip to Europe and my 200 pictures from the 1858 01:00:02,898 --> 01:00:08,824 [Ian Landsman]: last vacation we all had. And I just wanna pay somebody 100, 200 bucks even, 1859 01:00:08,924 --> 01:00:11,806 [Ian Landsman]: and just be like, oh, and a book shows up on my doorstep and it's done, 1860 01:00:11,846 --> 01:00:16,030 [Ian Landsman]: it's great. So yeah, if anybody knows about that service already existing or 1861 01:00:16,070 --> 01:00:20,486 [Ian Landsman]: wants to do it, let me know. And then we'll see how that goes. But. Otherwise 1862 01:00:20,567 --> 01:00:25,655 [Ian Landsman]: I do plan after vacation on getting, uh, on making that happen. And now 1863 01:00:26,056 --> 01:00:29,622 [Ian Landsman]: since it's in the podcast, it's going to have to happen. So at least we will 1864 01:00:30,062 --> 01:00:32,466 [Ian Landsman]: try it. We will have results. We could 1865 01:00:32,374 --> 01:00:33,274 [Aaron]: Yeah, if 1866 01:00:33,308 --> 01:00:33,488 [Ian Landsman]: talk 1867 01:00:33,314 --> 01:00:33,494 [Aaron]: you're 1868 01:00:33,508 --> 01:00:33,648 [Ian Landsman]: about 1869 01:00:33,514 --> 01:00:33,874 [Aaron]: listening 1870 01:00:33,668 --> 01:00:34,189 [Ian Landsman]: the results. 1871 01:00:33,894 --> 01:00:39,178 [Aaron]: to this, if you're listening to this and it's August of 2024, make sure you send 1872 01:00:39,218 --> 01:00:43,740 [Aaron]: us an email to see if Ian ever got his vacation book made. So check in with us 1873 01:00:43,780 --> 01:00:44,961 [Aaron]: in one year to make sure Ian 1874 01:00:44,851 --> 01:00:44,991 [Ian Landsman]: Oh, 1875 01:00:44,981 --> 01:00:45,101 [Aaron]: got 1876 01:00:45,031 --> 01:00:45,212 [Ian Landsman]: yeah, 1877 01:00:45,121 --> 01:00:45,721 [Aaron]: his book made. 1878 01:00:45,933 --> 01:00:49,760 [Ian Landsman]: August 2025, we'll be doing this podcast. I'll be like, up. I'm on vacation 1879 01:00:49,780 --> 01:00:52,665 [Ian Landsman]: with everybody again. Now I'm two vacation books behind. 1880 01:00:57,412 --> 01:01:04,195 [Aaron]: Yeah. So I hired somebody a while back to do 3D rendering of, I was going to add a 1881 01:01:04,235 --> 01:01:11,158 [Aaron]: back deck to connect the shed quarters, my old studio to my house. And there's 1882 01:01:11,070 --> 01:01:11,194 [Ian Landsman]: Mm-hmm. 1883 01:01:11,178 --> 01:01:16,220 [Aaron]: this giant gap in the middle. And I hired somebody on, I think it was Upwork? No, 1884 01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:17,941 [Aaron]: I think it was Fiverr actually. 1885 01:01:18,507 --> 01:01:18,589 [Ian Landsman]: Mmm. 1886 01:01:19,402 --> 01:01:26,466 [Aaron]: I took a bunch of pictures, did a few dimensions, and hired an outdoor deck designer 1887 01:01:26,686 --> 01:01:31,649 [Aaron]: in Turkey to do 3D renderings of what a deck could 1888 01:01:31,399 --> 01:01:31,607 [Ian Landsman]: Holy cow. 1889 01:01:31,769 --> 01:01:36,973 [Aaron]: look like. Yeah, and it was like $65. And 1890 01:01:35,942 --> 01:01:36,467 [Ian Landsman]: Wow. 1891 01:01:37,033 --> 01:01:43,697 [Aaron]: so then, was it perfect? No, but I could then go to a local contractor and instead 1892 01:01:43,737 --> 01:01:48,762 [Aaron]: of like... trying to explain something to someone who's barely listening to me, 1893 01:01:49,074 --> 01:01:49,315 [Ian Landsman]: Right. 1894 01:01:49,103 --> 01:01:51,643 [Aaron]: I could show him a picture and be like, I basically want 1895 01:01:51,629 --> 01:01:51,850 [Ian Landsman]: Build 1896 01:01:51,763 --> 01:01:52,283 [Aaron]: this. 1897 01:01:51,871 --> 01:01:52,052 [Ian Landsman]: this. 1898 01:01:52,624 --> 01:01:58,325 [Aaron]: Yeah. And he's like, okay, I could build that. And I thought that is a total like, 1899 01:01:58,585 --> 01:02:04,087 [Aaron]: that's a totally good use of money to spend $65 to be able to communicate clearly 1900 01:02:04,507 --> 01:02:05,827 [Aaron]: what I want. And I went back and forth 1901 01:02:05,810 --> 01:02:05,932 [Ian Landsman]: That 1902 01:02:05,847 --> 01:02:05,947 [Aaron]: with 1903 01:02:05,953 --> 01:02:06,034 [Ian Landsman]: was 1904 01:02:05,967 --> 01:02:06,207 [Aaron]: the guy 1905 01:02:06,075 --> 01:02:06,320 [Ian Landsman]: great. 1906 01:02:06,227 --> 01:02:11,369 [Aaron]: on a few revisions, because on the first one, he did some weird stuff with pergolas. 1907 01:02:11,389 --> 01:02:13,389 [Aaron]: And I was like, I don't want that, like remove 1908 01:02:13,421 --> 01:02:13,462 [Ian Landsman]: Mm. 1909 01:02:13,429 --> 01:02:19,846 [Aaron]: that change this. And then I had the thing to show the guy. And so finding these 1910 01:02:19,886 --> 01:02:22,251 [Aaron]: things that you can outsource that you don't really think you can 1911 01:02:22,174 --> 01:02:22,414 [Ian Landsman]: I just love 1912 01:02:22,331 --> 01:02:22,952 [Aaron]: outsource, 1913 01:02:22,514 --> 01:02:23,234 [Ian Landsman]: outsourcing. 1914 01:02:23,293 --> 01:02:23,693 [Aaron]: yeah. 1915 01:02:23,394 --> 01:02:26,535 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, I gotta get better about that. I'm really pretty bad about outsourcing 1916 01:02:26,555 --> 01:02:29,075 [Ian Landsman]: and stuff like that. And it's like, I should just outsource this. Why am 1917 01:02:29,095 --> 01:02:32,496 [Ian Landsman]: I not outsourcing more stuff? It's like, we actually found this service here 1918 01:02:32,636 --> 01:02:37,898 [Ian Landsman]: kind of along those lines where it's like, they will come and set up. So you 1919 01:02:37,918 --> 01:02:40,478 [Ian Landsman]: can't leave like a tent or anything on the beach overnight. 1920 01:02:40,231 --> 01:02:41,184 [Aaron]: Oh, yeah. 1921 01:02:41,859 --> 01:02:45,980 [Ian Landsman]: And there's like 13 of us and whatever, and the kids and whatever, son and 1922 01:02:46,020 --> 01:02:50,921 [Ian Landsman]: all that stuff. So we kinda want a tent. So they just come every day and 1923 01:02:50,941 --> 01:02:51,201 [Ian Landsman]: they set 1924 01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:51,285 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1925 01:02:51,241 --> 01:02:53,764 [Ian Landsman]: up the tent. and they bring chairs and they put it out there. And then 1926 01:02:53,824 --> 01:02:56,508 [Ian Landsman]: every night they come and they take down a tent and they take away the chairs 1927 01:02:56,849 --> 01:03:01,876 [Ian Landsman]: and they just do it every night. And it's fabulous. And that also led me to 1928 01:03:01,917 --> 01:03:04,961 [Ian Landsman]: the discovery of another app which I'm just gonna tell everybody about as 1929 01:03:05,001 --> 01:03:07,745 [Ian Landsman]: public service called Splitwise. Have you ever used Splitwise? 1930 01:03:08,222 --> 01:03:11,867 [Aaron]: live, live and die by Splitwise. 1931 01:03:11,590 --> 01:03:13,014 [Ian Landsman]: You love the Splitwise, I didn't even 1932 01:03:12,928 --> 01:03:13,589 [Aaron]: Love, 1933 01:03:13,034 --> 01:03:14,218 [Ian Landsman]: know about Splitwise. 1934 01:03:14,370 --> 01:03:14,951 [Aaron]: love 1935 01:03:14,459 --> 01:03:15,843 [Ian Landsman]: It's unbelievable. 1936 01:03:15,091 --> 01:03:15,812 [Aaron]: Splitwise. 1937 01:03:16,425 --> 01:03:16,786 [Ian Landsman]: Everything 1938 01:03:16,574 --> 01:03:16,814 [Aaron]: I've 1939 01:03:16,827 --> 01:03:17,308 [Ian Landsman]: you buy 1940 01:03:17,295 --> 01:03:17,415 [Aaron]: been 1941 01:03:17,469 --> 01:03:17,549 [Ian Landsman]: is. 1942 01:03:17,475 --> 01:03:21,661 [Aaron]: using Splitwise since 2009. It's amazing, 1943 01:03:21,118 --> 01:03:21,818 [Ian Landsman]: Wow, is 1944 01:03:21,741 --> 01:03:22,442 [Aaron]: yes. 1945 01:03:21,858 --> 01:03:23,359 [Ian Landsman]: it around that long? I didn't 1946 01:03:23,283 --> 01:03:23,363 [Aaron]: It 1947 01:03:23,379 --> 01:03:23,539 [Ian Landsman]: even 1948 01:03:23,543 --> 01:03:23,984 [Aaron]: is, 1949 01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:24,320 [Ian Landsman]: know that. 1950 01:03:24,385 --> 01:03:24,785 [Aaron]: yes. 1951 01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:28,342 [Ian Landsman]: Wow. So maybe everybody knows about this already, but Splitwise lets you 1952 01:03:28,362 --> 01:03:32,545 [Ian Landsman]: just split bills with other people. And like, so you can just, every time 1953 01:03:32,565 --> 01:03:36,088 [Ian Landsman]: you buy something, you throw it in Splitwise and it'll handle like, like 1954 01:03:36,108 --> 01:03:39,110 [Ian Landsman]: in our case, we're pretty much dividing everything by thirds, just divides 1955 01:03:39,150 --> 01:03:42,892 [Ian Landsman]: it by thirds. And then at the end it tracks who owes who what and you can 1956 01:03:43,192 --> 01:03:46,864 [Ian Landsman]: settle up and that's it. And... It's unbelievable. This is like one of the 1957 01:03:46,924 --> 01:03:47,185 [Ian Landsman]: first 1958 01:03:47,282 --> 01:03:48,922 [Aaron]: Okay, 1959 01:03:47,345 --> 01:03:49,409 [Ian Landsman]: mobile apps that's blown my mind in a while. 1960 01:03:49,342 --> 01:03:50,763 [Aaron]: yeah, 1961 01:03:49,429 --> 01:03:51,613 [Ian Landsman]: Like, it's like, oh, this is fabulous. 1962 01:03:51,203 --> 01:04:00,105 [Aaron]: we gotta talk splitwise. So, splitwise is truly one of the OG apps that does the thing 1963 01:04:00,205 --> 01:04:05,807 [Aaron]: it's supposed to do and doesn't muck it up. And so what I love about splitwise, 1964 01:04:05,847 --> 01:04:11,969 [Aaron]: so we do these yearly trips, all of our guy friends from college, and what I love 1965 01:04:12,009 --> 01:04:19,149 [Aaron]: about splitwise is, As long as you accurately represent the truth in Splitwise, 1966 01:04:19,509 --> 01:04:24,132 [Aaron]: everything comes out just fine. So what I mean is, you can say like, okay, I, 1967 01:04:24,252 --> 01:04:29,236 [Aaron]: Aaron, I'm going to the grocery store for, you know, these 10 guys for the weekend 1968 01:04:29,256 --> 01:04:33,779 [Aaron]: and I'm going to spend, you know, $1,000 to buy all the groceries for this weekend, 1969 01:04:33,819 --> 01:04:39,964 [Aaron]: right? I put $1,000 into Splitwise and I say split evenly. And it just like, it 1970 01:04:40,024 --> 01:04:46,278 [Aaron]: splits it evenly. Okay. Whatever, that seems normal, right? But then let's say I get 1971 01:04:46,298 --> 01:04:50,940 [Aaron]: there early and I go to dinner with four other guys and we go out for pizza, right? 1972 01:04:51,080 --> 01:04:56,581 [Aaron]: And one guy pays for all the pizza. And he says, okay, I, let's say Andrew, paid 1973 01:04:56,621 --> 01:05:01,262 [Aaron]: for all the pizza, but only these five people were there. So I'm gonna split it between 1974 01:05:01,302 --> 01:05:05,204 [Aaron]: these five people. And then let's say there are three people on the trip that don't 1975 01:05:05,244 --> 01:05:09,745 [Aaron]: drink, so we split the alcohol between seven people. And then let's say I buy Ian 1976 01:05:09,845 --> 01:05:14,735 [Aaron]: lunch, so it's just like a one-on-one transaction. As long as you put all of that 1977 01:05:14,795 --> 01:05:20,760 [Aaron]: into Splitwise and you say there's a tab to say simplify debt. So like if I owe 1978 01:05:20,921 --> 01:05:25,705 [Aaron]: Ian $5 and Ian owes Andrew $5, I'm just gonna pay Andrew and Splitwise will handle 1979 01:05:25,725 --> 01:05:30,389 [Aaron]: that for you. At the end, it just comes out to be like, you put everything in there 1980 01:05:30,749 --> 01:05:35,653 [Aaron]: and it just says, Aaron, you owe Andrew $42. And you're like, all right, sounds like. 1981 01:05:36,426 --> 01:05:39,610 [Aaron]: Sounds fine to me, and it takes into account everything you paid for, everything 1982 01:05:39,630 --> 01:05:43,375 [Aaron]: you participated in, and like it doesn't add you to things that you weren't a part of, 1983 01:05:43,735 --> 01:05:47,901 [Aaron]: and at the end you pay one single person and then you move on about your day. It's the 1984 01:05:47,981 --> 01:05:48,562 [Aaron]: best thing in 1985 01:05:48,570 --> 01:05:48,810 [Ian Landsman]: It's 1986 01:05:48,602 --> 01:05:50,865 [Aaron]: the world. 1987 01:05:49,110 --> 01:05:51,151 [Ian Landsman]: totally mind blowing, mind 1988 01:05:50,965 --> 01:05:51,245 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1989 01:05:51,171 --> 01:05:54,772 [Ian Landsman]: blowing. It's so good. Yes, you said it perfectly. Like it doesn't muck 1990 01:05:54,812 --> 01:05:58,254 [Ian Landsman]: it up. It's like, it does this. It's not trying to sell me a bunch of other 1991 01:05:58,294 --> 01:06:03,516 [Ian Landsman]: stuff while I'm in there adding, you know, these entries. It's just like, nope, 1992 01:06:03,596 --> 01:06:06,257 [Ian Landsman]: add your entries at the top. It's got like this running total. It's like, 1993 01:06:06,390 --> 01:06:08,684 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 1994 01:06:06,557 --> 01:06:08,998 [Ian Landsman]: you've loaned out a thousand dollars so far. 1995 01:06:08,704 --> 01:06:08,885 [Aaron]: Yep. 1996 01:06:09,018 --> 01:06:11,619 [Ian Landsman]: And it's like, yes, I'm making money on this vacation. 1997 01:06:11,512 --> 01:06:11,659 [Aaron]: Yeah. 1998 01:06:11,679 --> 01:06:14,660 [Ian Landsman]: People are gonna pay me a thousand dollars at the end of this vacation. It's so 1999 01:06:14,700 --> 01:06:14,981 [Ian Landsman]: great. 2000 01:06:14,854 --> 01:06:15,074 [Aaron]: Yep, 2001 01:06:15,701 --> 01:06:16,021 [Ian Landsman]: Everything 2002 01:06:15,794 --> 01:06:16,114 [Aaron]: yeah, and 2003 01:06:16,061 --> 01:06:16,321 [Ian Landsman]: costs 2004 01:06:16,154 --> 01:06:16,374 [Aaron]: that's 2005 01:06:16,361 --> 01:06:17,061 [Ian Landsman]: a third less. 2006 01:06:17,795 --> 01:06:21,177 [Aaron]: That's great because then you're at the next dinner and you can be like well it 2007 01:06:21,197 --> 01:06:24,999 [Aaron]: looks like It looks like I'm a thousand dollars behind so somebody else should pay 2008 01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:29,221 [Aaron]: for dinner So then at the end of the trip, you know, you're as close to even as 2009 01:06:29,261 --> 01:06:31,062 [Aaron]: possible And so your person-to-person 2010 01:06:30,514 --> 01:06:30,787 [Ian Landsman]: Alright. 2011 01:06:31,082 --> 01:06:34,764 [Aaron]: transactions are a lot smaller. Yeah, it's oh man 2012 01:06:34,818 --> 01:06:34,898 [Ian Landsman]: It 2013 01:06:34,824 --> 01:06:34,984 [Aaron]: What 2014 01:06:34,938 --> 01:06:35,158 [Ian Landsman]: hooks 2015 01:06:35,024 --> 01:06:35,284 [Aaron]: a what 2016 01:06:35,198 --> 01:06:35,378 [Ian Landsman]: into 2017 01:06:35,304 --> 01:06:35,344 [Aaron]: an 2018 01:06:35,438 --> 01:06:36,478 [Ian Landsman]: Venmo. 2019 01:06:35,504 --> 01:06:37,145 [Aaron]: unexpected surprise to 2020 01:06:37,138 --> 01:06:37,578 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah, 2021 01:06:37,265 --> 01:06:37,665 [Aaron]: talk about 2022 01:06:37,598 --> 01:06:38,639 [Ian Landsman]: like, 2023 01:06:37,705 --> 01:06:38,365 [Aaron]: split wise 2024 01:06:38,659 --> 01:06:43,360 [Ian Landsman]: oh, it's so good. It just, just to have a uni-tasker app like that, that just 2025 01:06:43,460 --> 01:06:47,241 [Ian Landsman]: is executed so perfectly. That's something I never built either. I always have 2026 01:06:47,261 --> 01:06:48,661 [Ian Landsman]: these like big complicated things. 2027 01:06:48,709 --> 01:06:48,974 [Aaron]: I know. 2028 01:06:48,762 --> 01:06:53,503 [Ian Landsman]: Just a nice uni-tasker app. It just does, it just down in the little nitty 2029 01:06:53,543 --> 01:06:59,245 [Ian Landsman]: gritty details of that single task so deeply. Oh, just excellent. Love 2030 01:06:59,166 --> 01:06:59,466 [Aaron]: I'm pulling 2031 01:06:59,305 --> 01:07:00,985 [Ian Landsman]: it. 2032 01:06:59,486 --> 01:07:01,166 [Aaron]: up my Splitwise right now so I can see 2033 01:07:01,145 --> 01:07:01,225 [Ian Landsman]: Oh, 2034 01:07:01,206 --> 01:07:01,306 [Aaron]: all 2035 01:07:01,285 --> 01:07:01,445 [Ian Landsman]: there 2036 01:07:01,326 --> 01:07:02,547 [Aaron]: the groups 2037 01:07:01,465 --> 01:07:02,525 [Ian Landsman]: you go. Yup. 2038 01:07:02,567 --> 01:07:03,067 [Aaron]: that I have. 2039 01:07:03,094 --> 01:07:03,594 [Ian Landsman]: Oh wow, you have 2040 01:07:03,567 --> 01:07:03,707 [Aaron]: I've 2041 01:07:03,614 --> 01:07:03,814 [Ian Landsman]: a bunch 2042 01:07:03,747 --> 01:07:04,047 [Aaron]: got, 2043 01:07:03,854 --> 01:07:05,076 [Ian Landsman]: of different groups. That's interesting. 2044 01:07:05,008 --> 01:07:07,348 [Aaron]: oh yeah, I've got, I don't know if the camera 2045 01:07:07,118 --> 01:07:07,619 [Ian Landsman]: Oh wow, 2046 01:07:07,368 --> 01:07:07,988 [Aaron]: will pick it up. 2047 01:07:08,239 --> 01:07:09,060 [Ian Landsman]: yeah, OG 2048 01:07:08,969 --> 01:07:09,149 [Aaron]: So 2049 01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:09,581 [Ian Landsman]: status 2050 01:07:09,169 --> 01:07:09,629 [Aaron]: we've got 2051 01:07:09,621 --> 01:07:09,801 [Ian Landsman]: here. 2052 01:07:09,889 --> 01:07:16,551 [Aaron]: SF15, 16, 17, those are all the guide trips. And then we've got a Florida trip, we've 2053 01:07:16,591 --> 01:07:22,773 [Aaron]: got a 30th birthday trip, we've got a wedding weekend. Yeah, it's, I love 2054 01:07:22,810 --> 01:07:23,030 [Ian Landsman]: It's 2055 01:07:22,833 --> 01:07:22,953 [Aaron]: it. 2056 01:07:23,170 --> 01:07:23,790 [Ian Landsman]: a revolution. 2057 01:07:23,313 --> 01:07:23,953 [Aaron]: It's so great. 2058 01:07:23,990 --> 01:07:27,251 [Ian Landsman]: My mind has been totally blown. Like, yeah, none of us in our group really 2059 01:07:27,271 --> 01:07:30,252 [Ian Landsman]: knew about it. So my cousin went to a bachelor party. 2060 01:07:29,907 --> 01:07:30,090 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm 2061 01:07:30,352 --> 01:07:33,533 [Ian Landsman]: Like six months ago or something. And like, they just did it where the one guy 2062 01:07:33,553 --> 01:07:34,854 [Ian Landsman]: paid for everything. Nobody paid 2063 01:07:34,827 --> 01:07:35,031 [Aaron]: Yeah. 2064 01:07:34,874 --> 01:07:38,935 [Ian Landsman]: for anything though. The leader paid for every single transaction. You know, 2065 01:07:38,955 --> 01:07:40,716 [Ian Landsman]: he got all the points, which I think was probably part of his 2066 01:07:40,734 --> 01:07:41,398 [Aaron]: Yep. 2067 01:07:40,756 --> 01:07:41,376 [Ian Landsman]: goal, which is great. 2068 01:07:41,438 --> 01:07:41,921 [Aaron]: That guy. 2069 01:07:41,756 --> 01:07:42,076 [Ian Landsman]: And then, 2070 01:07:42,082 --> 01:07:42,264 [Aaron]: That 2071 01:07:42,196 --> 01:07:42,437 [Ian Landsman]: um, 2072 01:07:42,284 --> 01:07:42,646 [Aaron]: freaking 2073 01:07:42,577 --> 01:07:42,757 [Ian Landsman]: that 2074 01:07:42,666 --> 01:07:42,908 [Aaron]: guy. 2075 01:07:42,777 --> 01:07:47,394 [Ian Landsman]: guy, and then, uh, And then they just split it up and they just all paid 2076 01:07:47,434 --> 01:07:48,195 [Ian Landsman]: him the amounts they 2077 01:07:48,148 --> 01:07:48,274 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 2078 01:07:48,355 --> 01:07:51,897 [Ian Landsman]: owed. And that was it. It was like so easy. So then we use it for this and 2079 01:07:51,937 --> 01:07:53,478 [Ian Landsman]: we're all blown away. It's, it's 2080 01:07:53,438 --> 01:07:53,498 [Aaron]: And 2081 01:07:53,518 --> 01:07:53,718 [Ian Landsman]: so 2082 01:07:53,538 --> 01:07:53,738 [Aaron]: you can 2083 01:07:53,778 --> 01:07:54,218 [Ian Landsman]: incredibly 2084 01:07:53,778 --> 01:07:54,558 [Aaron]: attach pictures 2085 01:07:54,258 --> 01:07:54,558 [Ian Landsman]: nice. 2086 01:07:54,599 --> 01:07:55,459 [Aaron]: of a receipt 2087 01:07:55,739 --> 01:07:56,219 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. 2088 01:07:56,180 --> 01:07:56,260 [Aaron]: and 2089 01:07:56,239 --> 01:07:56,399 [Ian Landsman]: I mean, 2090 01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:56,660 [Aaron]: you can, 2091 01:07:56,419 --> 01:07:56,679 [Ian Landsman]: we're not 2092 01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:56,780 [Aaron]: you 2093 01:07:56,719 --> 01:07:56,879 [Ian Landsman]: doing 2094 01:07:56,800 --> 01:07:56,920 [Aaron]: can 2095 01:07:56,919 --> 01:07:57,079 [Ian Landsman]: that 2096 01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:57,081 [Aaron]: do, 2097 01:07:57,099 --> 01:07:58,160 [Ian Landsman]: because we don't care, but like, 2098 01:07:58,081 --> 01:07:58,242 [Aaron]: yeah, 2099 01:07:58,200 --> 01:07:58,460 [Ian Landsman]: yeah, 2100 01:07:58,262 --> 01:07:58,622 [Aaron]: we don't care. 2101 01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:00,381 [Ian Landsman]: you could do that for the bigger group or whatever. 2102 01:08:00,583 --> 01:08:04,927 [Aaron]: Yeah. And you can do crazy splitting things like you can split it evenly. You can 2103 01:08:04,967 --> 01:08:06,949 [Aaron]: split it by percent. You can split it by 2104 01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:07,044 [Ian Landsman]: Alright. 2105 01:08:07,169 --> 01:08:10,091 [Aaron]: portion. So you can be like, we bought, 2106 01:08:09,954 --> 01:08:10,095 [Ian Landsman]: Oh. 2107 01:08:10,292 --> 01:08:10,472 [Aaron]: we 2108 01:08:10,296 --> 01:08:10,739 [Ian Landsman]: Ha ha ha. 2109 01:08:10,712 --> 01:08:15,015 [Aaron]: bought 15 things and actually five of the things were for this one guy and the 2110 01:08:15,055 --> 01:08:17,417 [Aaron]: other 10 were for the other 10 people. And you can 2111 01:08:17,395 --> 01:08:17,605 [Ian Landsman]: Bye. 2112 01:08:17,437 --> 01:08:20,100 [Aaron]: say this guy gets five units of proportion 2113 01:08:20,078 --> 01:08:20,178 [Ian Landsman]: of 2114 01:08:20,140 --> 01:08:20,340 [Aaron]: and this 2115 01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:20,460 [Ian Landsman]: the... 2116 01:08:20,700 --> 01:08:22,081 [Aaron]: everyone else gets one unit. It's 2117 01:08:22,007 --> 01:08:22,449 [Ian Landsman]: Wow. 2118 01:08:22,101 --> 01:08:25,601 [Aaron]: like, Why would you ever need that? I have no idea, but it's so cool. 2119 01:08:26,326 --> 01:08:29,068 [Ian Landsman]: I have used one so far. We've been doing pretty much everything evenly, but 2120 01:08:29,108 --> 01:08:31,470 [Ian Landsman]: there has been one where it's like, yeah, me and my brother just did something. 2121 01:08:31,530 --> 01:08:34,713 [Ian Landsman]: My cousin's family wasn't involved. So it's like, oh, that is just me and him. 2122 01:08:34,793 --> 01:08:37,655 [Ian Landsman]: And it's like now it's split in half between the two of us and not, um, 2123 01:08:37,815 --> 01:08:39,977 [Ian Landsman]: with him in it. And it's like the tally all changes and 2124 01:08:40,504 --> 01:08:40,819 [Aaron]: Mm-hmm. 2125 01:08:40,658 --> 01:08:44,101 [Ian Landsman]: just blown away. Yeah. I dunno. I feel like most of the hype around mobile 2126 01:08:44,141 --> 01:08:48,164 [Ian Landsman]: apps in general, like my mobile app usage is almost entirely like native Apple 2127 01:08:48,324 --> 01:08:52,268 [Ian Landsman]: apps and like Twitter and maybe like one or two other things and that's it. 2128 01:08:52,928 --> 01:08:56,965 [Ian Landsman]: And. But. This is one of those ones that's like, yes, this is, this is making 2129 01:08:57,025 --> 01:09:00,791 [Ian Landsman]: it in. This is staying on the phone, uh, because it's just so damn useful 2130 01:09:00,851 --> 01:09:05,578 [Ian Landsman]: in those couple times a year where you need to do this kind of thing. 2131 01:09:05,102 --> 01:09:05,664 [Aaron]: What a gem. 2132 01:09:05,618 --> 01:09:06,118 [Ian Landsman]: So good. 2133 01:09:05,905 --> 01:09:06,267 [Aaron]: A 2134 01:09:06,179 --> 01:09:06,759 [Ian Landsman]: Yeah. Look at 2135 01:09:06,749 --> 01:09:07,050 [Aaron]: hidden 2136 01:09:06,779 --> 01:09:07,901 [Ian Landsman]: that. 2137 01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:08,034 [Aaron]: gem there at the end 2138 01:09:07,941 --> 01:09:08,081 [Ian Landsman]: Kit. 2139 01:09:08,055 --> 01:09:10,365 [Aaron]: of the pod. That's why you always stick around, folks. 2140 01:09:11,385 --> 01:09:15,896 [Ian Landsman]: Think about this, on this one trip, Waffle House and Splitwise, I've discovered 2141 01:09:15,550 --> 01:09:16,030 [Aaron]: You... 2142 01:09:15,916 --> 01:09:16,618 [Ian Landsman]: these two things. 2143 01:09:17,251 --> 01:09:17,471 [Aaron]: Your 2144 01:09:17,380 --> 01:09:17,521 [Ian Landsman]: What 2145 01:09:17,531 --> 01:09:17,851 [Aaron]: life, 2146 01:09:17,561 --> 01:09:17,861 [Ian Landsman]: a trip. 2147 01:09:17,891 --> 01:09:21,894 [Aaron]: your life is... And I discovered trucks! You can just put a truck on a beach! 2148 01:09:21,637 --> 01:09:22,498 [Ian Landsman]: Hey, Chuck 2149 01:09:22,494 --> 01:09:22,594 [Aaron]: It's 2150 01:09:22,519 --> 01:09:22,599 [Ian Landsman]: on 2151 01:09:22,635 --> 01:09:23,255 [Aaron]: amazing! 2152 01:09:22,639 --> 01:09:24,242 [Ian Landsman]: a beach. We're learning. 2153 01:09:24,496 --> 01:09:25,036 [Aaron]: Yes, 2154 01:09:24,804 --> 01:09:25,004 [Ian Landsman]: This is 2155 01:09:25,477 --> 01:09:25,637 [Aaron]: this 2156 01:09:25,485 --> 01:09:26,147 [Ian Landsman]: unbelievable. 2157 01:09:25,677 --> 01:09:26,657 [Aaron]: is why we do this. 2158 01:09:28,331 --> 01:09:29,173 [Ian Landsman]: Sharing our knowledge. 2159 01:09:29,526 --> 01:09:32,300 [Aaron]: That's right. Alright, anything else? Where do people find us? 2160 01:09:33,626 --> 01:09:38,969 [Ian Landsman]: man, they find us at mostlytechnical.com and on YouTube. Check out the YouTube, the 2161 01:09:39,009 --> 01:09:41,571 [Ian Landsman]: YouTube gets, it's like it's building up. I'm 2162 01:09:41,592 --> 01:09:41,844 [Aaron]: Yeah. 2163 01:09:41,611 --> 01:09:44,913 [Ian Landsman]: sort of interested about the YouTube growth eventually. It's nice to be 2164 01:09:44,933 --> 01:09:47,095 [Ian Landsman]: able to see how many subscribers you have because podcasts, you know, 2165 01:09:47,531 --> 01:09:47,735 [Aaron]: Yeah. 2166 01:09:48,816 --> 01:09:54,440 [Ian Landsman]: you can't really tell for sure, but, and then we're at MostlyTechnicalPod on 2167 01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:57,482 [Ian Landsman]: Twitter, I believe. So check that out. We should probably get 2168 01:09:57,406 --> 01:09:57,486 [Aaron]: If 2169 01:09:57,502 --> 01:09:58,042 [Ian Landsman]: these things down. 2170 01:09:57,947 --> 01:09:58,047 [Aaron]: you 2171 01:09:58,062 --> 01:09:58,943 [Ian Landsman]: You're 2172 01:09:58,087 --> 01:09:58,869 [Aaron]: can find us, 2173 01:09:58,963 --> 01:10:00,624 [Ian Landsman]: right. 2174 01:09:59,269 --> 01:10:00,772 [Aaron]: find us. If not, we'll see you 2175 01:10:00,684 --> 01:10:00,824 [Ian Landsman]: It's 2176 01:10:00,812 --> 01:10:00,992 [Aaron]: next 2177 01:10:00,864 --> 01:10:01,424 [Ian Landsman]: all linked. 2178 01:10:01,052 --> 01:10:01,513 [Aaron]: time. 2179 01:10:01,865 --> 01:10:04,318 [Ian Landsman]: Go to the show notes. Thanks. 2180 01:10:05,519 --> 01:10:06,681 [Aaron]: All right, talk to you later, Ian. 2181 01:10:07,475 --> 01:10:07,727 [Ian Landsman]: Bye.