00;00;00;01 - 00;00;00;17 Mark Hey. 00;00;00;17 - 00;00;01;19 Mark Maniacs. 00;00;01;24 - 00;00;39;09 Mark This is Mark, and this is episode 182, which is a remix episode of episode 137 Father Brown Season one, Episode one. We already covered it, so we just wanted to judge up the episode code a bit. Our episode was originally broadcast on September 12th, 2002, before we began a couple of announcements at the top. We have our newsletter coming out on the 1st of November, which will have the November and December schedules in it, as well as some other announcements. 00;00;39;09 - 00;01;12;14 Mark And then we return to Father Brown season one episode to the Flying Starz on November 6th. So without further ado, please enjoy Father Brown. Season one Episode one Your Mother Makes Scones in Hell Remix. 00;01;12;16 - 00;01;13;08 Sarah Hey, maniac. 00;01;13;09 - 00;01;14;17 Mark Hey, Maniac. 00;01;14;18 - 00;01;16;13 Sarah It's Mystery Maniacs. 00;01;16;21 - 00;01;32;26 Mark Mystery Maniacs is a comedy recap podcast dedicated to British mystery TV. Each week we dig into an episode of the show, including murders, memes and loonies and everything else we love. This week we're covering Father Brown Season one episode one The Hammer of God. 00;01;32;26 - 00;01;35;21 Sarah And this is the more recent 20 1320. 00;01;35;21 - 00;01;36;09 Mark 13. 00;01;36;11 - 00;01;37;06 Sarah Series 18. 00;01;37;06 - 00;01;38;06 Mark 70. 00;01;38;09 - 00;01;49;04 Sarah Four Potatoes and that was made before I was born. Though those are kind of worth watching. If you don't know, maybe you take a shot every time you're creepy out. 00;01;49;06 - 00;01;50;14 Mark There and you'd be real. 00;01;50;14 - 00;01;52;04 Sarah Good and drunk. They love it, I bet. 00;01;52;04 - 00;02;05;14 Mark Incredibly strange for 1970s TV, it is more like and people are going to be weirded by this. I would say that show is more like Doctor Who than it is like EastEnders. 00;02;05;14 - 00;02;07;16 Mark Wow. Yeah, there are some. 00;02;07;16 - 00;02;08;17 Sarah Plot wise. 00;02;08;17 - 00;02;08;28 Mark There. 00;02;09;02 - 00;02;10;18 Sarah But production wise. 00;02;10;18 - 00;02;17;19 Mark The production and the episode that takes place in the Strange Castle thing with the Americans. 00;02;17;23 - 00;02;20;01 Mark Yeah, that is bonkers. 00;02;20;06 - 00;02;22;16 Mark From start to end that episode. 00;02;22;20 - 00;02;31;23 Sarah Again, go back and watch them if you want to. But I recommend drinks. Yeah, it'll make it more fun. Now we're talking about the Mark Williams Father Brown. 00;02;31;24 - 00;02;48;26 Mark Yes. And I think in a nod to that original Father Brown that that Father Brown was Kenneth Moore did that was Father Brown, I think in a nod to that. That's why they did Hammer of God first, because Hammer of Gods, not the first story now. 00;02;48;26 - 00;02;54;22 Sarah And it's a short story. Yeah. And so these are written by Chesterton, who was an odd duck, too, by the way. 00;02;54;25 - 00;03;08;11 Mark Yeah. And this is a response to the Protestant ism of Sherlock Holmes. And it's also, as I would say, it's also a response to the war that's coming because these are pre World War One. 00;03;08;11 - 00;03;12;14 Sarah Stories when they're written. Yeah. Now these are set in the 1950s. 00;03;12;20 - 00;03;14;18 Mark Yeah, I wondered why they did that. 00;03;14;25 - 00;03;33;04 Sarah I was sure I couldn't find anything definitive from the writers or the producers about that decision. But I can only assume that there are a lot of shows set in the thirties in England. The interwar years, the forties in England, and that maybe they just wanted to shake it up a little bit. 00;03;33;06 - 00;03;43;09 Mark I also think purely as a production situation that it is harder. Like you can set these in the teens because the cars that they would. 00;03;43;09 - 00;03;44;06 Mark Have, yeah. 00;03;44;09 - 00;03;45;25 Mark Don't work anymore right? 00;03;45;25 - 00;04;02;10 Sarah Like when you're doing a play, you know, anything before like 1949 would be so dark and bleak and sad. Yes. That if they wanted to make a show about a priest and church extravaganza and scones, they couldn't set it then. 00;04;02;14 - 00;04;14;07 Mark And and later on in these episodes, I don't I'm not sure if it's referenced in any of the episodes that we're going to cover. But he was in the war. He was in the Second World War, and he makes reference to that. 00;04;14;10 - 00;04;19;26 Sarah Father Brown Yeah. Yes. And so do we ever learn his first name? He doesn't have a first name, right? 00;04;19;26 - 00;04;25;15 Mark He doesn't have a first name in the books. Different people say it's John, but it's just Father Brown. 00;04;25;15 - 00;04;29;08 Sarah Wow. And in these years, you know, one in five men was named John. 00;04;29;08 - 00;04;30;03 Mark Yeah, exactly. 00;04;30;09 - 00;04;30;23 Mark So. 00;04;30;25 - 00;04;48;00 Mark But his war back story, I really like that he had gone through that and he's still like in the second episode that we're going to do the Apollo episode, it deals with the trauma of war, but it also deals with with Father Brown, not being affected by that trauma. 00;04;48;01 - 00;05;11;16 Sarah Well, and I think it's an important this is not fun stuff, but I think it's an important thing to remember that though this is set in 1953, this episode as every man, every person really, but specifically the men that you're seeing, they have all been at war. All of them. Yeah. The pre, the priest, the reverend, the Iron Smith, the biologist, you know, Norman, the jerk face who gets killed. 00;05;11;18 - 00;05;26;19 Sarah All of them have been to war. Yep. And all of the women have dealt with rationing and, you know, giving up their country estates to the military and worrying about, you know, spouses and brothers and sons going away. They've all been through that. 00;05;26;22 - 00;05;34;19 Mark I love the way that especially this episode really talks about the end of rationing without talking about the end of rationing. 00;05;34;21 - 00;05;35;19 Sarah They mess up. 00;05;35;19 - 00;05;36;07 Mark They do? 00;05;36;08 - 00;05;39;21 Sarah Yeah. Okay. Let's just talk about 1953 before there's a. 00;05;39;21 - 00;05;41;18 Mark Lot to go on with 1950. 00;05;41;18 - 00;05;49;16 Sarah Three. We know that it's 1953 because that's what's on Elizabeth's confession when she signs the date is there. Oh, goodness. 00;05;49;16 - 00;05;54;18 Mark June 15th is when the murder happens. In the 16th is when she confesses. 00;05;54;19 - 00;05;55;26 Sarah Okay, so we're mid-June. 00;05;55;26 - 00;05;55;29 Mark And. 00;05;55;29 - 00;06;00;11 Mark They screw up today. By the way, it's actually Monday, Tuesday instead of Thursday. 00;06;00;13 - 00;06;03;14 Sarah The 60 calendar. Yes or so and. 00;06;03;17 - 00;06;04;16 Mark 53 gal. 00;06;04;16 - 00;06;06;17 Sarah And let me tell you about 1953. 00;06;06;19 - 00;06;07;06 Mark It is. 00;06;07;09 - 00;06;10;02 Mark Perfectly set. They do a really good job. 00;06;10;02 - 00;06;11;29 Sarah Yes. They make one mistake. We'll talk about. 00;06;12;05 - 00;06;13;25 Mark The of the day. 00;06;13;28 - 00;06;26;21 Sarah It's it's interesting that we're talking about this now. Yes. Because 1953, June 2nd, so a week and a half before this happens in this timeline, Queen Elizabeth, the second was had her coronation day. 00;06;26;27 - 00;06;28;29 Mark They should have more bunting everywhere. 00;06;28;29 - 00;06;31;28 Sarah Well, they would have taken the bunting down a week and a half later. 00;06;32;00 - 00;06;33;20 Mark I don't know. It was a pretty big deal. 00;06;33;26 - 00;06;37;05 Sarah Yeah, but I would have expected maybe a little reference to it. 00;06;37;10 - 00;06;38;10 Mark A reference show. 00;06;38;12 - 00;06;44;11 Sarah Would have been on TV. Yeah. So and everybody knows who's listening, but just in the last day or so, she died. 00;06;44;17 - 00;06;45;04 Mark Yes. 00;06;45;10 - 00;06;51;11 Sarah So it's sad, remember? But this is the year that she had her coronation, which was a big deal. 00;06;51;13 - 00;06;56;17 Mark You know, an unabashed midsummer fan like. Absolutely Love Midsummer. 00;06;56;18 - 00;06;58;27 Sarah Oh, Liz. Yeah. Oh, yeah. She liked Midsummer. 00;06;58;27 - 00;07;07;20 Mark She loved Midsummer. You see lots of pictures of her and John Nettles online. She was a fan. I bet you she watched Father Brown. 00;07;07;23 - 00;07;08;20 Sarah I bet you she didn't. 00;07;08;21 - 00;07;09;20 Mark I bet you she did. 00;07;09;20 - 00;07;15;05 Sarah Apparently, she liked to take box sets with her when she went away to the world to watch stuff. 00;07;15;11 - 00;07;15;25 Mark Okay. 00;07;15;27 - 00;07;17;12 Sarah So I think she was a binge or too. 00;07;17;13 - 00;07;28;01 Mark Oh, I think so. It must be weird. Liz. I love Liz, but can you imagine her watching this episode going? I was coronated like three weeks. 00;07;28;03 - 00;07;29;10 Sarah They didn't even mention it. 00;07;29;10 - 00;07;32;16 Mark Didn't even mention. 00;07;32;18 - 00;07;38;08 Sarah I can't I can't separate Queen Elizabeth now from Russell Howard's impression of her. 00;07;38;10 - 00;07;39;02 Mark Well, yes. 00;07;39;09 - 00;07;42;18 Sarah Every time he jokes about her, he makes her sound so bad. 00;07;42;18 - 00;07;44;01 Mark Ass. 00;07;44;03 - 00;07;46;27 Mark And it's that impression is done of love. 00;07;46;27 - 00;08;08;16 Sarah Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. You have to see him. Russell Howard, talk about Queen Elizabeth meeting Trump. It's so funny. Yeah. Sense of fun. Absolutely. So the other things that happened in 1953, in February of that year, Watson and Crick discovered DNA. Yeah. So that was a big deal. Casino Royale, the first James Bond book, was released in April, just before this, just a few days after this, in June. 00;08;08;16 - 00;08;25;23 Sarah John Christy was sentenced to death. Christy was a big deal. He murdered his wife and eight other people. Wow. He was sentenced to death. And he hung he was hanged in June, July one, just a month later. Things are different now. Yeah. Yeah. So here's the mistake they made. Sugar rationing didn't end until October. 00;08;25;29 - 00;08;26;28 Mark Oh, okay. 00;08;26;28 - 00;08;40;18 Sarah So in June, Mr. would still be pretty tight with the sugar for her scones. Now, that doesn't mean that she didn't save up enough to do it, but there wouldn't be nearly as many sweets on the table as there would have been before. Rationing or much or after this. 00;08;40;22 - 00;08;48;18 Mark The other thing that happened at this exact time. So in 52, Alan Turing is arrested for being a homosexual. 00;08;48;20 - 00;08;57;09 Sarah Alan Turing, who built the Enigma machine that allowed the Brits to decipher German coded messages and really change the tide. 00;08;57;11 - 00;09;00;21 Mark This is when all the Bletchley Park stuff starts to come out. 00;09;00;21 - 00;09;02;03 Sarah If you haven't seen that show go out. 00;09;02;09 - 00;09;11;17 Mark And then then 54 is when he's chemically castrated and is devastated and commits suicide. That also is in the background here. 00;09;11;17 - 00;09;21;04 Sarah Yeah. So when Philip Walker, the the entomologist in this episode is confronted about being gay and he's scared, he's got reason to be terrified. 00;09;21;04 - 00;09;31;10 Mark Because a major news story is happening every day. Yeah. About a war hero who we know who the press now has turned on because he's homosexual. 00;09;31;10 - 00;09;44;01 Sarah Yeah. So that was top of mind. Yeah. The other thing is that there were still a lot of police Polish resettlement camps in the UK. So Suzy was in the camp. Yeah. And they which is. 00;09;44;02 - 00;09;48;12 Mark In an old it's an airfield that would have been used during the. 00;09;48;12 - 00;09;50;15 Sarah War. Yeah. Those are called Nissen huts. 00;09;50;15 - 00;09;50;23 Mark Yeah. 00;09;51;01 - 00;10;05;18 Sarah And they were invented by a guy named Nissen. Okay. In America we call them Quonset huts. Yeah. Because that's where they were built in on a in a factory on a point in Rhode Island that's called concept point. 00;10;05;22 - 00;10;06;21 Mark Okay. 00;10;06;24 - 00;10;27;06 Sarah But they're corrugated sheet metal bent into temporary. Yeah, Yeah. But like starting in 1947, the Polish refugees in the UK were were given rights officially. So they can file for unemployment. They could get jobs without getting special paperwork. They were basically de facto UK citizens. All of a sudden this. 00;10;27;06 - 00;10;29;10 Mark Is a period of great migration. 00;10;29;14 - 00;10;30;10 Mark Yeah, all. 00;10;30;10 - 00;10;34;02 Mark Over the immigration and migration, all over Europe especially. 00;10;34;02 - 00;10;39;27 Sarah Yeah, well by 1949, a quarter of a million Polish troops were in the UK with their families. 00;10;39;29 - 00;10;40;15 Mark Mm. 00;10;40;18 - 00;10;48;10 Sarah That's a lot of people. Yeah. That is quarter of a million people back then. So that's the world in which this episode happens. 00;10;48;12 - 00;10;52;00 Mark And they're clearly making reference to all those things. 00;10;52;02 - 00;10;56;12 Sarah And sorry for all the seriousness here, but we just wanted to kind of set that up. 00;10;56;12 - 00;11;01;01 Mark We start with the most unsexy, sexy scene. 00;11;01;01 - 00;11;05;10 Sarah Oh my gosh, can we all just agree that Norman should die earlier than he does? 00;11;05;10 - 00;11;06;18 Mark Well, I'm like. 00;11;06;18 - 00;11;07;09 Mark Going, Do. 00;11;07;12 - 00;11;09;04 Sarah You want to kill him constantly? 00;11;09;04 - 00;11;13;19 Mark I'm going to postulate that his brother is a worse human being than he is. 00;11;13;19 - 00;11;15;17 Sarah Oh, I know. I don't disagree with that at all. 00;11;15;18 - 00;11;16;05 Mark Oh, my. 00;11;16;05 - 00;11;20;23 Sarah God. At least Norman's nasty on the outside. Yeah, the rev is nasty on the inside. 00;11;21;00 - 00;11;26;25 Mark When the Rev goes to Father Brown and says you should accuse this other guy, I'm like. 00;11;26;27 - 00;11;28;11 Mark Now. 00;11;28;13 - 00;11;30;27 Sarah When he's happy to have Simeon go to jail. 00;11;31;01 - 00;11;31;29 Mark Yeah, Yeah. 00;11;32;03 - 00;11;35;02 Sarah I think if Simeon had been arrested, none of this happens. 00;11;35;04 - 00;11;36;02 Mark Going to happen. 00;11;36;07 - 00;11;53;23 Sarah No, he would have just been hanged. And that would have been it. Yeah. And the Rev would have been like, done. Yeah. Norman, though, his hypocrisy makes me so angry. Which, of course is supposed to, Right? Yeah. So he's pointing the finger at Elizabeth, saying, you know, in the Bible, people who didn't pay their debts were stoned to death. 00;11;53;26 - 00;11;54;07 Mark Yeah. 00;11;54;13 - 00;12;02;17 Sarah Meanwhile, he's blackmailing a married woman to have sex with him and threatening the life of her husband. Yeah, but she's the bad one. 00;12;02;17 - 00;12;04;14 Mark Oh, yeah. I just want to slap him. 00;12;04;17 - 00;12;12;06 Mark He is horrendous. So then we get the. The Father Brown titles. Now, the Father Brown titles are in silhouette and is clearly. 00;12;12;06 - 00;12;13;13 Mark After a third. 00;12;13;15 - 00;12;15;08 Mark It is Adobe after all. 00;12;15;08 - 00;12;19;29 Sarah Yeah, that's the software they would have use. They're beautiful, though. I love them so much. 00;12;20;00 - 00;12;21;05 Mark They're beautiful. 00;12;21;07 - 00;12;21;28 Mark I fit. 00;12;21;28 - 00;12;22;17 Mark The show. 00;12;22;17 - 00;12;30;25 Sarah Perfectly. I'm on his little bike and it's just got the little flash of white from his collar and his glasses and that's all. That's all it takes, you know, it's him. 00;12;30;25 - 00;12;37;23 Mark So Father Brown is introduced on his bike and, oh, boy, let me tell you, I went down a rabbit hole. 00;12;37;26 - 00;12;39;24 Sarah Well, there are serious bike nerds out there. 00;12;39;24 - 00;12;47;16 Mark There are serious bike nerds out there. And I'm going to put two pages in the show notes of arguments over the bike. 00;12;47;19 - 00;12;49;02 Sarah Over whether it's right. 00;12;49;05 - 00;12;56;20 Mark Yes. Whether or not it should have reflectors on the pedals the way it does, whether or not it should have brakes like that. 00;12;56;21 - 00;12;58;05 Sarah That's serious minutia. 00;12;58;05 - 00;12;58;11 Mark It is. 00;12;58;12 - 00;13;00;06 Mark Serious minutia. 00;13;00;07 - 00;13;02;18 Sarah My favorite thing about his bike is that it's black. 00;13;02;23 - 00;13;04;12 Mark Yes. 00;13;04;14 - 00;13;05;08 Sarah It matches this. 00;13;05;08 - 00;13;05;26 Mark Classic. 00;13;05;26 - 00;13;13;19 Mark I had somebody I read somebody who went through catalogs and said they couldn't find an all black bike like that at that time. 00;13;13;19 - 00;13;16;08 Mark I'm like, wow, you are a maniac. 00;13;16;10 - 00;13;21;16 Sarah You think there wasn't somebody who made bikes for Preece? 00;13;21;18 - 00;13;22;07 Mark Yeah. 00;13;22;09 - 00;13;23;17 Mark I got to think like. 00;13;23;17 - 00;13;30;24 Sarah Somebody whose job it was was to give precise spikes and they painted them black before they gave them to them because they were that made them modest. 00;13;30;26 - 00;13;36;13 Mark Oh, like, like whole discussions of vendors and chrome and all of this. 00;13;36;15 - 00;13;37;06 Mark Wow. 00;13;37;10 - 00;13;42;09 Sarah Genes say it is a minimal bike. It is not super fancy. 00;13;42;09 - 00;13;42;23 Mark You know. 00;13;42;26 - 00;13;43;08 Mark And it's. 00;13;43;08 - 00;13;44;28 Sarah Functional. It's how he gets around. 00;13;44;28 - 00;13;56;28 Mark And then there's a point in the post where it kind of slows down and then somebody finds a picture of the bike with just a bike in full view. And then there are also again. 00;13;57;00 - 00;13;59;09 Sarah How does this classic not get caught up in his bike? 00;13;59;09 - 00;13;59;26 Mark I don't. 00;13;59;26 - 00;14;02;26 Mark Know. You should have the little ring thing on his pants. 00;14;02;26 - 00;14;05;22 Sarah No, not his pants leg. His coat. 00;14;05;24 - 00;14;07;03 Mark Is long. Yeah. 00;14;07;05 - 00;14;13;10 Sarah I almost want him to, like, bundle it up at his waist and, like, tuck it into his pockets before he gets on his bike. 00;14;13;12 - 00;14;13;22 Mark Now, I. 00;14;13;27 - 00;14;19;26 Sarah Just keep thinking, like he doesn't really. Does he have wheel covers? Is there a fender on his back? Well, I. 00;14;19;26 - 00;14;20;15 Mark Think so. 00;14;20;19 - 00;14;22;25 Sarah Because he would get so much blood on his casket. 00;14;22;25 - 00;14;24;13 Mark There's discussion of that. But yeah. 00;14;24;17 - 00;14;24;29 Mark Of course. 00;14;24;29 - 00;14;26;08 Sarah There is. 00;14;26;11 - 00;14;33;15 Mark And then the bike appears slightly different in the title. And so there's discussion of the bike in the purses. 00;14;33;17 - 00;14;41;19 Sarah Thank you for sparing us all that, telling us about how awesome the argument is and not telling us all about the argument. I don't think I can handle it. 00;14;41;25 - 00;14;48;02 Mark I was I was down that rabbit hole like quite a while and he so he rides through town, integrate introductions. 00;14;48;02 - 00;14;48;11 Sarah Yeah. 00;14;48;18 - 00;15;02;27 Mark And then they do again the the, the writing of this is so good because it's like, oh we're having a fight in which we, two Pete two groups are coming to an interfaith extravaganza. So everybody has to introduce themselves. Yes. What do you. 00;15;02;27 - 00;15;24;22 Sarah Know? Because people don't know each other. Hi, Mrs. M's award winning strawberry scones. Yeah, they irritate me. I now tell you why they irritate me. I'm fine with her being proud of her scones. Yes. I don't doubt that they would be award winning. That they were really, really tasty. Yes. They are not the right thing to bring to a pitch n No, because there's eight. 00;15;24;28 - 00;15;25;26 Mark There's eight of them. 00;15;26;03 - 00;15;27;10 Mark That's plus plus. 00;15;27;11 - 00;15;28;18 Sarah Not enough for everybody. 00;15;28;18 - 00;15;42;14 Mark I looked at probably 15 stone recipes, strawberry stone recipes, and nobody does them like she does. Where she makes the stone, cuts it in half. Put strawberries and the cream. Everybody puts the strawberries in the stone. 00;15;42;15 - 00;15;47;09 Sarah Oh, well, the way she makes them is the way you would kind of assemble it yourself. 00;15;47;10 - 00;15;47;24 Mark Okay. 00;15;47;25 - 00;15;49;01 Sarah When you were having tea. 00;15;49;04 - 00;15;49;17 Mark Okay. 00;15;49;19 - 00;15;52;16 Sarah The question is, does she put clotted cream on them. 00;15;52;16 - 00;15;53;13 Mark Or whipped cream. 00;15;53;15 - 00;15;54;21 Mark There? Yeah. 00;15;54;23 - 00;15;56;26 Sarah Yeah. Don't. Don't. 00;15;56;28 - 00;16;00;08 Mark There are people trying to recreate that recipe all over the. 00;16;00;08 - 00;16;03;14 Sarah Oh, wow. It's just a stone with strawberry and cream on it. 00;16;03;16 - 00;16;09;10 Mark I love how the words Catholic and Anglican are not said in this episode, but. 00;16;09;10 - 00;16;10;22 Mark It is everywhere where. 00;16;10;23 - 00;16;16;25 Sarah Oh, they are said Oh, because Norman calls them out on their rituals and everything. And yeah. 00;16;16;29 - 00;16;19;16 Mark He says Catholic, but nobody says Anglican. 00;16;19;17 - 00;16;28;19 Sarah Oh, I thought he did. Are you sure? Oh, I think he does. Maybe because I didn't know what Reverend Bohan was into. He may say Church of England. 00;16;28;22 - 00;16;29;00 Mark Yeah. 00;16;29;00 - 00;16;38;14 Mark He says, Steve. And then, then you're like, oh, scones. And everybody get introduced. And then Mrs. McCarthy is the meanest human being on the planet. 00;16;38;16 - 00;16;48;08 Sarah She's so nasty, Susie. Now, and this is something that happens every episode in these early seasons. Mrs. M is nasty. And then she's good at the end. 00;16;48;10 - 00;16;48;25 Mark That she's. 00;16;48;25 - 00;16;54;28 Sarah Nasty. She's good at end. And then eventually the writers go, Maybe she just shouldn't be nasty. 00;16;54;28 - 00;16;55;21 Mark Yes. 00;16;55;23 - 00;17;07;01 Sarah And she still is totally gossipy and full of information, but not nearly as nasty. Yeah, but in this first season, she's sexist, she's racist, she's nasty to immigrants. 00;17;07;01 - 00;17;08;18 Mark Oh, she's mean. 00;17;08;18 - 00;17;18;12 Sarah The kids like. And then. But. But every episode, she redeems herself at the end in some little way that clearly doesn't really count because she's nasty again at the beginning of the next one. 00;17;18;13 - 00;17;24;14 Mark Yes. Now, I know that the guy who wrote this is named Tarzan Gooner. 00;17;24;18 - 00;17;25;09 Mark Mm hmm. 00;17;25;12 - 00;17;34;00 Mark And he he's written a couple other shows, like all new tricks and stuff like that. But he is a student of all of this. 00;17;34;01 - 00;17;34;15 Sarah Oh, yeah. 00;17;34;16 - 00;17;46;12 Mark Because the clock tower is done. That is a difference. Like the clock tower has already been funded. They're not. They're not raising money to get the clock tower. Yeah, it's already done. 00;17;46;12 - 00;17;48;17 Sarah It's a clock stuck on the side of a tower. 00;17;48;18 - 00;17;49;23 Mark Oh, my. 00;17;49;23 - 00;17;50;23 Mark Yes. 00;17;50;25 - 00;18;02;04 Mark And in an episode where they did so good with other clocks, the clock tower clock is bad. Mm hmm. Father Brown has a pocket watch. It is an Ingersoll Triumph's. 00;18;02;07 - 00;18;02;20 Sarah Okay. 00;18;02;21 - 00;18;03;05 Mark Okay. 00;18;03;10 - 00;18;04;22 Sarah Is this another nerd pit? 00;18;04;22 - 00;18;05;19 Mark Oh, boy. 00;18;05;22 - 00;18;07;23 Sarah We knew Nerd Bill Art. 00;18;07;25 - 00;18;08;24 Mark So? 00;18;08;26 - 00;18;18;01 Mark So I have a question. So, first of all, that the hands are painted with the glow in the dark stuff that causes cancer. 00;18;18;01 - 00;18;18;17 Sarah Radium. 00;18;18;17 - 00;18;22;04 Mark The radium stuff. So that watch is radioactive. 00;18;22;05 - 00;18;28;05 Sarah Yeah, but the paint itself is not bad. It's the fact that the radium girls lick their brushes. 00;18;28;07 - 00;18;29;03 Mark They ingested. 00;18;29;03 - 00;18;30;10 Sarah It. That's how they got it. Yeah. 00;18;30;16 - 00;18;46;09 Mark It's so tiny. Yeah. That inside the the dial is another set of numbers. So you have a beautiful set of black numbers on white and on the outside. The bureau is a gorgeous watch, but there's an inner set of blue numbers. Do you know. 00;18;46;09 - 00;18;46;24 Mark Why? 00;18;46;26 - 00;18;56;20 Mark No, They're the military time numbers. And I wonder people in England use military time all the time. They don't say the show is on at 7:00. They say 19. 00;18;56;20 - 00;18;58;03 Mark Hundred. Yeah, I. 00;18;58;05 - 00;19;03;19 Sarah Says the majority of UK people use military time on a regular basis, but. 00;19;03;21 - 00;19;12;07 Mark Teams do, except for in this episode they don't. They see the train is at 2 p.m.. I think they probably remove the military stuff. 00;19;12;07 - 00;19;16;10 Sarah Because it's kind of a throwback to the war that everybody wants to stop thinking. 00;19;16;10 - 00;19;16;26 Mark About. 00;19;16;26 - 00;19;22;06 Mark I think it's just more accessible all over the world as a show if you say 2 p.m.. 00;19;22;06 - 00;19;26;00 Sarah But also in 1953, who wants to be thinking of military time? 00;19;26;01 - 00;19;38;04 Mark I could not find that watch. I found watches from that year. I found watches from the previous year, but that watch with the blue numbers inside and it must be incredibly rare. 00;19;38;05 - 00;19;42;18 Sarah Maybe it's a military issue. Maybe it could be because in the war, because. 00;19;42;18 - 00;19;44;28 Mark I found that watch without the blue numbers. 00;19;44;29 - 00;19;46;05 Sarah Is it a valuable watch? 00;19;46;05 - 00;19;51;01 Mark You know, watches are weird. Yeah. You know, I didn't look at prices, but. 00;19;51;01 - 00;19;56;04 Sarah So can we talk about the scene where Norman is drinking from? Straight from the wine bottle? Yes. 00;19;56;06 - 00;20;01;04 Mark So, Norman drives up in that car, which is gorgeous. I'm like, Oh, that's a gorgeous car. 00;20;01;06 - 00;20;02;01 Sarah Here comes the jerk. 00;20;02;01 - 00;20;04;17 Mark Where is he driving from? 00;20;04;20 - 00;20;09;20 Sarah I don't know. His estate. The last scene of his being a jerk. 00;20;09;23 - 00;20;11;18 Mark Which is in their house. 00;20;11;25 - 00;20;13;22 Mark Yeah. So, okay. 00;20;13;24 - 00;20;19;18 Mark Norman is awful to her. Leaves his wallet, goes out to the back of the house. 00;20;19;18 - 00;20;21;03 Sarah Then drives his car around the block. 00;20;21;03 - 00;20;22;09 Mark Driving past the. 00;20;22;15 - 00;20;41;04 Sarah Extravaganza. So he's. He's awful, right? He offends everybody standing there. Yes. And then Philip says, I don't know. I don't mind, Norman. I think it's refreshing. I think he's the one who says it. It may be Father Brown who says it's refreshing. And Mrs. M says, As refreshing as I use Twilight. And then she's like. 00;20;41;04 - 00;20;42;14 Mark Oh, sorry. 00;20;42;16 - 00;20;48;03 Sarah Pardon me. It's like she's possessed for a second. Yeah, It's like your mother makes something out or something. 00;20;48;03 - 00;20;49;27 Mark I don't. It just comes out of her. 00;20;49;27 - 00;20;51;15 Mark Yeah, it's really weird. 00;20;51;15 - 00;20;52;22 Sarah It's so crude. 00;20;52;22 - 00;20;57;21 Mark Yeah. You're just turned floating around like, Whoa, Mrs. M. 00;20;57;23 - 00;21;05;00 Sarah Real it back, lady. She's. She's always really offended by anybody who disrespects Father Brown. 00;21;05;05 - 00;21;06;00 Mark And she does it. 00;21;06;00 - 00;21;07;13 Mark All the time. 00;21;07;15 - 00;21;13;13 Sarah It does. It's not the same. Yes, Mrs. M has a heart in there somewhere. It doesn't always. 00;21;13;13 - 00;21;15;23 Mark Show. Not shown as well in these. 00;21;15;23 - 00;21;28;15 Sarah But she is never disrespectful to him. Now she raises him like a sister or a wife. Yes. Or a mother. But she's never disrespectful to him as a member of the church. 00;21;28;15 - 00;21;32;23 Mark She's very much not a husband and wife. It's very much siblings. 00;21;32;25 - 00;22;05;16 Sarah Yeah, He's like a nagging older sister, more than anything. Yes. I read a really interesting, very dry article that compared Sherlock Holmes, Hercule Poirot and Father Brown to DuPont, Poe's original detective. Yes. And it was really interesting because what they said was that the reason why Brown is different is that Holmes and Poro are very scientific. Yes. And they look a lot at evidence and they look a lot at the impact that a crime has had on the scene and on other people. 00;22;05;21 - 00;22;10;05 Sarah But Brown solves mysteries by empathizing with the criminal. 00;22;10;05 - 00;22;13;18 Mark And that's really clear in the original story. And the key. 00;22;13;21 - 00;22;15;28 Sarah Points insulting the criminals shoes. 00;22;15;28 - 00;22;16;27 Mark Version. Yeah. 00;22;17;02 - 00;22;22;14 Sarah And his goal is never justice. It's reform. And to save their soul. 00;22;22;14 - 00;22;32;26 Mark Yeah that that's clear right from the very beginning and we joked the last episode that he's the least Catholic Catholic priest ever but he is concerned for their morals. 00;22;33;00 - 00;22;49;20 Sarah The fact that he doesn't care that Norman and Phillip are gay. Yeah, that he likes that goal. In a Catholic, he would have had to say something about it like, Oh, and that's kind of bad too. But the more important thing right now is this. Yeah, you know, we can talk about that later, but this is more important. 00;22;49;20 - 00;22;53;10 Sarah But I don't think he ever would have said, like, I don't really care about that. 00;22;53;12 - 00;22;54;14 Mark So the husband. 00;22;54;16 - 00;23;05;17 Mark The husband finds the wallet and did you notice that prop that that wallet, the way it's put together? And he pulls out the Sonny Oaks Golf Club. 00;23;05;17 - 00;23;06;16 Sarah Membership card. 00;23;06;17 - 00;23;09;03 Mark Membership card with Norman's signature. 00;23;09;03 - 00;23;11;06 Sarah Course. Norman's a member of a golf club. 00;23;11;10 - 00;23;22;26 Mark But everything in that wallet is perfect. Yeah. I really want to point out to the people who did the production specifically on that wallet, there is a hero. Props shown for one shot. 00;23;22;27 - 00;23;23;11 Sarah It's good. 00;23;23;16 - 00;23;26;28 Mark It is perfect. It's worn in the right places. 00;23;26;28 - 00;23;37;21 Sarah And oh, this show's always great about costuming, it's great about props, it's great about sets. Yeah, because it's only in the fifties. It's not that far back. What did you make, though, of Elizabeth and Simeon's Kitchen? 00;23;37;25 - 00;23;39;12 Mark It was kind of weird. 00;23;39;19 - 00;23;44;23 Sarah Did people use tools as decoration back then? To me, that's more of a modern. 00;23;44;25 - 00;23;54;19 Mark I was weirded out because it's June and he's working in the in the forge, and then he comes home for lunch and he has this heavy wool coat on. 00;23;54;20 - 00;23;56;13 Sarah Yeah, I don't know why he put that on of. 00;23;56;14 - 00;23;57;14 Mark Your heavy wool. 00;23;57;16 - 00;23;59;00 Sarah Because the forge is in their yard. 00;23;59;04 - 00;24;05;15 Mark And then you feel bad because you feel so bad for her because her husband is also crappy to her. 00;24;05;22 - 00;24;10;16 Sarah I think he's nice. I think he really loves her. I think their relationship is good. 00;24;10;16 - 00;24;16;28 Mark I think so too. But worst showing that he's frustrated here and he takes it out on her a little. 00;24;16;28 - 00;24;29;27 Sarah Bit, but he immediately. Yeah. Pulls it back. Yeah, immediately. Yes, I think he's frustrated because they're in debt. Yeah. And maybe she's not being sensitive enough to that and he feels guilty now. The debt is. 00;24;29;27 - 00;24;34;29 Mark His debt is his problem. He is not a perfect man by no stretch of the imagination. 00;24;35;00 - 00;24;40;27 Sarah So Elizabeth is being blackmailed by Norman about Simeon's debt. 00;24;41;03 - 00;24;44;07 Mark Which is £50, she says later. 00;24;44;07 - 00;24;51;02 Sarah On, which, according to the inflation calculator I looked at, would be £979 now. 00;24;51;02 - 00;24;53;19 Mark Or about 1700 American dollars. 00;24;53;22 - 00;25;03;11 Sarah You had a higher number. Yeah. Yeah. So Norman has forgiven this debt. What does Simeon why, what excuse was given to Simeon that the debt was forgiven? 00;25;03;12 - 00;25;05;03 Mark I don't know. I don't know. 00;25;05;07 - 00;25;10;03 Sarah Does he think Norman just forgave it out of the goodness of his heart? Because I don't think he would believe that. 00;25;10;04 - 00;25;11;21 Mark No, I don't think so either. 00;25;11;21 - 00;25;17;22 Sarah And they can't say to Simeon, Oh, well, I've decided to forgive it in exchange for having sex with your wife. 00;25;17;26 - 00;25;18;16 Mark Yeah. 00;25;18;18 - 00;25;19;24 Sarah That's not going to fly. 00;25;19;24 - 00;25;25;13 Mark Obviously, though, he might say something like, I've made other arrangements and touches. 00;25;25;13 - 00;25;28;20 Sarah Knows which Simeon would still pop him in the face. 00;25;28;20 - 00;25;28;29 Mark For. 00;25;28;29 - 00;25;30;14 Mark Yes, I think so too. 00;25;30;17 - 00;25;39;13 Sarah But when I did the math. So Norman has taken advantage of Elizabeth twice and he says two more times will do it. Yeah. So four times. 00;25;39;16 - 00;25;39;29 Mark Yes. 00;25;40;02 - 00;25;47;22 Sarah So four divided into $979, he thinks she's worth about 225 a time. 00;25;47;25 - 00;25;48;13 Mark Wow. 00;25;48;17 - 00;25;59;23 Sarah I don't I don't know how to feel about that. On one hand, I'm like, that's incredibly cheap. She's a value, but on the other hand, that's not that much money. They're going to lose their house over owing £50. 00;25;59;28 - 00;26;03;02 Mark I think it's a lot more money to them than we realize. 00;26;03;08 - 00;26;16;19 Sarah Yeah, I guess. I mean, obviously she doesn't work outside of the house and he's a blacksmith, which can't be a hugely lucrative thing. But I don't know what it is he's making. He's making a blended stick and I don't know what he's forging that end to. 00;26;16;25 - 00;26;23;24 Mark This episode needs a discussion of evolution that lasts for two sentences. 00;26;23;26 - 00;26;34;15 Sarah We just have to see that Father Brown is respectful of science, that he doesn't reject science. That's all that scene is for. When Father Brown is talking to Philip about evolution. 00;26;34;15 - 00;26;41;25 Mark I have in my mind my notes. Oh, you poor, smart, liberal, well-dressed, gay guy. 00;26;41;28 - 00;26;45;04 Sarah I don't have time for the findings of a sycophant now. 00;26;45;04 - 00;26;51;13 Mark And Father Brown, every time somebody says you wouldn't be interested it, Father Brown says no. Tell me more about it. 00;26;51;14 - 00;26;52;14 Sarah Yeah, I would be. 00;26;52;20 - 00;26;55;29 Mark That is extremely part of his character. 00;26;55;29 - 00;26;57;12 Sarah Yeah. That he likes to learn. 00;26;57;12 - 00;27;01;20 Mark And then we need somebody to scream at dead bodies now and in the future. 00;27;01;20 - 00;27;05;18 Mark And we have incomes. Lady Felicia. Lady Felicia. 00;27;05;18 - 00;27;08;20 Sarah Nancy. Carol has a long history of screaming. 00;27;08;20 - 00;27;12;17 Mark Yes, she's absolutely made summer. And this. 00;27;12;21 - 00;27;21;07 Sarah Yes, in midsummer she was Connie Bishop in the Great and the Good and screamed out of her own window on several occasions. And then she was also in hidden death. 00;27;21;10 - 00;27;28;29 Mark Yeah, I think she maybe held the record for most bodies found because she found so many bodies in this episode and in this series. 00;27;28;29 - 00;27;36;06 Sarah Yeah. Oh, and Father Brown, she finds a lot of bodies. Yeah. Yeah. Recently she was in Murder in Provence. 00;27;36;06 - 00;27;38;12 Mark Yes. And she's fantastic. 00;27;38;12 - 00;27;44;20 Sarah With Roger Allen. Yeah, We enjoyed it. Yeah, but I'm not sure. 00;27;44;21 - 00;27;45;07 Mark I liked. 00;27;45;07 - 00;27;52;20 Sarah It. There's a lot of debate about it. Like, do you know they're actually supposed to be French people? Oh, they're not expats. They're actually French people. 00;27;52;20 - 00;27;53;11 Mark French people? 00;27;53;11 - 00;27;56;28 Sarah Oh, no, They're not supposed to be Brits living in France. They're supposed to be French. 00;27;56;28 - 00;27;57;18 Mark I don't know if. 00;27;57;25 - 00;27;59;17 Sarah You understand that. If you go watch it. 00;27;59;17 - 00;28;03;16 Mark I don't know if Roger Allen could pull off a French accent and not some crazy. 00;28;03;16 - 00;28;05;00 Mark Name with all. 00;28;05;02 - 00;28;12;03 Mark These all sounds like Pepe le plu. Which brings up my next point, which is she mentions Carmen have been there. 00;28;12;05 - 00;28;12;25 Sarah Yeah. 00;28;12;28 - 00;28;16;17 Mark Because she's going to sing it and that's from BJ's. Carmen. 00;28;16;21 - 00;28;20;03 Sarah They have a nice string quartet there for an extravaganza. 00;28;20;09 - 00;28;23;14 Mark That totally riffs off Bolero the whole time. 00;28;23;14 - 00;28;26;29 Mark Yeah, they're like a downer if they learn. 00;28;26;29 - 00;28;28;11 Sarah If you're doing a song for the day. 00;28;28;13 - 00;28;34;25 Mark If you're not familiar with that music, I'm going to put it, I'm going to put Maria Callas is version of it. 00;28;35;00 - 00;28;36;01 Sarah It is iconic. 00;28;36;08 - 00;28;46;29 Mark It is iconic, and you know that music immediately. But this is a rebellious word, it bird that no one can tame it. 00;28;47;02 - 00;28;49;09 Sarah Great voice. Yeah, she really can sing. 00;28;49;09 - 00;28;55;19 Mark Yeah, it's her introduction in the in the play in the opera and it fits perfectly here. 00;28;55;20 - 00;28;58;20 Sarah I forgot how skinny Nancy Carol is. 00;28;58;22 - 00;29;00;03 Mark So skinny. 00;29;00;03 - 00;29;15;05 Sarah She's super thin. And they put shrugs on her and hats on her and dresses on her that try to fill her out a little bit. But she. Yeah, yeah, I'm not I'm not saying she's too skinny, but I forget she is so thin. 00;29;15;06 - 00;29;39;07 Mark So then there's a whole bunch of machinations here of people to get create red herrings. All right, So people disperse throughout the dome luncheon in the church and everything. And we see Suzy arguing with Norman, and we see the scientist arguing with Philip. Yes, Philip, I have corduroy, so I must be gay or. 00;29;39;12 - 00;29;40;09 Sarah Or an academic. 00;29;40;09 - 00;29;43;19 Mark Yes. And so it gets it gets there, right? 00;29;43;20 - 00;29;46;28 Sarah It means that a lot of people had opportunity and motive. 00;29;47;00 - 00;30;03;26 Mark The only one I don't like is when the brother, the brothers are in the directory. And he says, according to Father's will, I can do this. I would have been like a that would have been read when fathers Norman would have been extremely interested in what he got it. 00;30;03;28 - 00;30;04;19 Mark Yes. 00;30;04;22 - 00;30;07;01 Mark So he would have known that clause. 00;30;07;01 - 00;30;07;15 Mark Yeah. 00;30;07;16 - 00;30;11;11 Mark And then he says, well you should read the Bible. I'm like, Well, you shouldn't kill people. 00;30;11;17 - 00;30;17;05 Sarah Yeah, maybe you should do so. The reverend is quick to blame, Simeon. 00;30;17;10 - 00;30;23;06 Mark So, lady Felicia finds the body. It's a did crash like an angel. 00;30;23;09 - 00;30;25;10 Sarah And there's even bone fragments in the ground. 00;30;25;10 - 00;30;26;22 Mark Yeah, like, really? 00;30;26;22 - 00;30;30;11 Sarah Did you have to say that in front of everybody? Valentine. 00;30;30;18 - 00;30;39;25 Mark Valentine is a character that will be defined much better in the future episodes. But here he's just. I'm straight out of Dashiell Hammett. 00;30;39;25 - 00;30;43;27 Mark He's got the hat, the trench coat to go. Why does he have a. 00;30;43;27 - 00;30;44;14 Mark Trench coat. 00;30;44;14 - 00;30;46;23 Mark On? It's who you need. 00;30;46;23 - 00;30;48;00 Mark You never knew. 00;30;48;00 - 00;30;48;28 Sarah Because it's part of his. 00;30;48;28 - 00;30;51;13 Mark Costume. He's got to have got to be serious. 00;30;51;15 - 00;30;57;11 Sarah Inspector Valentine, played by Hugo Speer, who was in a midsummer. Not in my backyard. 00;30;57;12 - 00;31;01;26 Mark Yes, he's he is. I think he's one of my favorite detectives. 00;31;01;26 - 00;31;06;23 Sarah I like the detectives on this show. Yeah. When they change them up, they just they're new, but they're good. 00;31;06;26 - 00;31;15;00 Mark Yes. And both brothers are horrible here. Horrible. And everyone's pointing the finger at Simeon, and she says, I did it. 00;31;15;02 - 00;31;19;16 Sarah The reverend sees the bus come and grabs Simeon and throws him under it. 00;31;19;16 - 00;31;22;21 Mark Yeah, He goes, Look, look, look, look, look. He's under the bus. I thought. 00;31;22;23 - 00;31;24;14 Mark He's so horrible. 00;31;24;14 - 00;31;25;21 Sarah When he knows he did. 00;31;25;21 - 00;31;26;15 Mark It. Yeah. 00;31;26;18 - 00;31;39;05 Sarah The only thing that stops him at all is Elizabeth saying I did it. Yeah. So he's perfectly fine with Simeon hanging for his crime, but not Elizabeth. Yeah, I think the reverend is in love with Elizabeth. 00;31;39;08 - 00;31;40;14 Mark Oh, he definitely. 00;31;40;14 - 00;31;46;02 Sarah I think he'd find it very convenient if Simeon was put to death. And he says to Elizabeth. 00;31;46;03 - 00;31;48;26 Mark Because he can get married. So. Yeah, I think so. 00;31;48;26 - 00;31;50;07 Sarah And he is definitely single. 00;31;50;09 - 00;31;53;22 Mark So then he goes, sits on a hill. 00;31;53;25 - 00;31;54;13 Mark And ponders. 00;31;54;13 - 00;31;54;22 Sarah Things. 00;31;54;22 - 00;32;01;24 Mark Father Brown walks the mile up to the hill to see him, and he gets there. He's like, Oh, how did you get here? He would have. 00;32;01;24 - 00;32;02;25 Mark Seen them coming up the. 00;32;02;25 - 00;32;05;21 Mark Hill. And I said, Where's your little bike now, Father? 00;32;05;23 - 00;32;09;06 Sarah It is one of Father Brown's talents that he is kind of everywhere. 00;32;09;08 - 00;32;10;23 Mark Yeah, you know he is. 00;32;10;27 - 00;32;14;11 Sarah And if he's not there, Mrs. M is. So she falls into planter. 00;32;14;11 - 00;32;19;25 Mark You always look for mysteries. Well, yes, because you're clearly the killer. 00;32;19;28 - 00;32;37;06 Sarah Yeah, but I do think it's interesting to know that he already has a reputation as somebody who likes to solve mysteries. He's. He already has a reputation as somebody who sticks their nose into things. Yeah, the police are aware of him already. They already respect him as somebody who can be useful. Yeah. So this is not his first rodeo. 00;32;37;08 - 00;32;47;23 Mark Yeah. And so then we get the reference here to crosswords and spy novels. And we both wondered what spy novel that would be. And it would be Casino Royale. 00;32;47;25 - 00;32;54;02 Sarah Certainly. I mean, that wasn't the first spy novel ever. It would have been. It would have been a really recent one, and it would have been a big deal. 00;32;54;02 - 00;32;55;11 Mark It was a huge book. 00;32;55;11 - 00;32;56;27 Sarah Yeah, So definitely. 00;32;56;28 - 00;33;16;12 Mark So then we see the sign confession and to which I'm like, it says on the bottom of the statement, this signed confession, I'm like, Do they have separate pages for confessions and statements? Yeah, I would think it's probably a statement and that that is just an error that you just have one pad that's for statements. 00;33;16;13 - 00;33;27;11 Sarah Oh, I don't know. This was the era of forms that you typed on. I would not be surprised if they had witness statements and confessions separate. 00;33;27;18 - 00;33;35;02 Mark I did look at the tape very closely because I loved typewriters of this period. Are my wheelhouse. 00;33;35;02 - 00;33;36;03 Sarah You are super nerdy. 00;33;36;03 - 00;33;51;09 Mark This I am super nerdy. They talk about the seal of the confession, which I think you know, I think when the seal of the confessional was written into into Catholic law, I think mystery writers everywhere went. 00;33;51;14 - 00;33;56;13 Mark Yes, we now have a thing that you could use all the. 00;33;56;13 - 00;34;08;00 Sarah Time that would be so handy now that we can't use mysterious identical twins, we can use the seal of the confession. You know, Father Brown is really good at never violating it. 00;34;08;00 - 00;34;09;11 Mark No, he never does. 00;34;09;11 - 00;34;11;11 Sarah He sticks to his guns, so. 00;34;11;11 - 00;34;13;08 Mark He says, quid pro quo here. 00;34;13;09 - 00;34;14;01 Sarah Valentine. 00;34;14;01 - 00;34;32;19 Mark Time says. And that got me wondering about Vatican two because I was like, When did Vatican two happen? So Vatican two is when the Roman Catholic church moved away from Latin. It's a whole bunch of things, but when they moved away from Latin, their services to English in their services didn't. 00;34;32;20 - 00;34;37;03 Sarah Didn't the priest turn around then to usurp actually facing the congregation. 00;34;37;03 - 00;34;48;13 Mark Which I also assume English Roman Catholic priests took to heart right away. I'm not sure, but I would think so. But that was in the sixties. So he would still be doing Latin well. 00;34;48;13 - 00;34;56;17 Sarah And anyone who had any exposure to Catholic school or church would have would know some Latin phrases. 00;34;56;21 - 00;35;06;04 Mark Father Brown, SEAL of the confessional reads The spy novels Great human being accepts the evolutionary gay guy. Awesome person breaks. 00;35;06;04 - 00;35;09;08 Mark The law right here to break the law. 00;35;09;10 - 00;35;11;16 Sarah Just goes in the Valentines office and reveals. 00;35;11;16 - 00;35;14;14 Mark The stats in the office and replies, Well. 00;35;14;16 - 00;35;17;26 Sarah You know, it's for the greater good. It's not hurting anybody. 00;35;17;26 - 00;35;28;15 Mark Oh six 2153 This is where we get the dates. It's really rare that they put dates on things and we get this such a close look. Did you notice his office? Kind of looks like a bedroom? 00;35;28;20 - 00;35;29;16 Mark Yeah, it's. 00;35;29;16 - 00;35;30;01 Mark Weird. 00;35;30;03 - 00;35;39;16 Sarah Yeah, I think we're supposed to understand that he spends a lot of time there. Yeah, it's not a big police force, you know? Yeah. Do we know the name of the village? 00;35;39;16 - 00;35;40;16 Mark It's Camelford. 00;35;40;16 - 00;35;41;03 Sarah That's right. 00;35;41;10 - 00;35;42;11 Mark There's a sign. 00;35;42;11 - 00;35;43;14 Sarah That always Father. 00;35;43;14 - 00;35;46;02 Mark Brown drives past when he rides his bike. 00;35;46;02 - 00;35;50;00 Sarah Yes, Camelford. Yes. There's men in a barn betting on horses. 00;35;50;01 - 00;35;51;29 Mark That speakeasy is just. 00;35;51;29 - 00;35;53;24 Sarah For Simeon's losing his money. 00;35;53;29 - 00;35;58;29 Mark So the Hurst Park card is what they talk about. And it Hearst. 00;35;58;29 - 00;36;00;02 Sarah Park is a race race. 00;36;00;06 - 00;36;03;22 Mark Course, and it goes from 1890 to 1962. 00;36;03;22 - 00;36;05;23 Sarah So they're listening to it on the radio. 00;36;05;23 - 00;36;15;17 Mark Yeah, and there's JS disinfectant also in this discussion of Suzy and that that disinfectant is still made and still has that logo. 00;36;15;18 - 00;36;17;14 Sarah Is it still in concentrate like that. 00;36;17;14 - 00;36;18;02 Mark Yep, it. 00;36;18;02 - 00;36;20;11 Sarah Is because it looks like medicine or alcohol. 00;36;20;11 - 00;36;24;08 Mark Yeah. It's Not in brown black. They were but yeah. 00;36;24;14 - 00;36;29;20 Sarah So the, the horses that are mentioned are Bride of Frankenstein. Yeah. Fluffy duck. 00;36;29;23 - 00;36;30;03 Mark Yep. 00;36;30;11 - 00;36;32;11 Sarah But Eternal passion wins. 00;36;32;12 - 00;36;42;26 Mark Yes. Father Brown gets it wrong. He doesn't. It's not. It's never. Both this series in the 74 series, Father Brown never has any mystical life. 00;36;42;26 - 00;36;44;11 Sarah Oh, God, no, no. 00;36;44;11 - 00;36;44;23 Mark No. 00;36;44;28 - 00;36;45;18 Sarah No, not at. 00;36;45;18 - 00;36;57;22 Mark All. The train to London is at 2 p.m.. Susie's trying to get away because she obviously knows that she's going to get blamed. Why does Norman not try to get on with her? 00;36;57;23 - 00;37;05;21 Sarah I think because he sees her below him and so humiliating her wouldn't be satisfying either. 00;37;05;21 - 00;37;09;15 Mark I don't know. He seems to be full of appetite. So the Smiths. 00;37;09;16 - 00;37;12;17 Sarah And she says he tried and she shut him down. 00;37;12;17 - 00;37;29;07 Mark Yeah. The clock on the wall at the train station is a Smith Electric wall clock, which would that is used in train station talked about and the Smiths English Clocks Ltd has they're not in working anymore but there's a website I'll put in the notes. 00;37;29;14 - 00;37;31;06 Sarah I'm laughing because you're such a. 00;37;31;06 - 00;37;35;20 Mark Nerd. The train wreck comes up. Oh no. Oh Oxford. 00;37;35;20 - 00;37;41;19 Mark GW are 6559. Class 7903. I'm for Mark Hall. 00;37;41;20 - 00;37;42;27 Sarah I'm sorry. 00;37;42;29 - 00;37;45;18 Mark It's absolutely that train perfect. 00;37;45;18 - 00;37;49;07 Sarah Meanwhile, I'm like those nuns at the coffee shop. Sure are nosey. 00;37;49;07 - 00;37;50;09 Mark Well, okay. 00;37;50;11 - 00;37;53;06 Mark Sarah, we have some controversy here. 00;37;53;07 - 00;37;53;29 Sarah It's not. 00;37;53;29 - 00;37;54;18 Mark Her. 00;37;54;18 - 00;37;56;10 Mark But it is meant to look. 00;37;56;10 - 00;38;03;23 Sarah Like. No, you just is wearing the glasses that women of that era in that lifestyle wore. 00;38;03;25 - 00;38;04;14 Mark I use. 00;38;04;16 - 00;38;05;18 Sarah Mark thinks. 00;38;05;18 - 00;38;07;00 Mark We are one of the nine. 00;38;07;02 - 00;38;14;17 Mark Who made this show on this show. So we can ask them is that where you got the idea? Is that a precursor? Is that you're. 00;38;14;20 - 00;38;22;18 Sarah Basing that on Mark thinks that the two nuns that are in the train station he thinks the one in the glasses is supposed to be a reference to Sister Boniface. 00;38;22;18 - 00;38;23;21 Mark Because it looks just like. 00;38;23;21 - 00;38;36;24 Sarah Her. Okay. Anybody in a habit looks just like anybody and a habit, and she just happens to have glasses, which Sister Boniface also has. So you're saying that two women who are the same outfit and both wear glasses are the same person? That's what you're saying? 00;38;36;24 - 00;38;38;19 Mark No, because I. 00;38;38;21 - 00;38;42;18 Mark I all the credits for this episode. 00;38;42;21 - 00;38;47;04 Mark To see of Lord of Watch was some production person or there. 00;38;47;05 - 00;38;48;13 Sarah No places on if. 00;38;48;15 - 00;38;49;12 Mark They're not credit. 00;38;49;12 - 00;38;52;13 Sarah What are the nuns names what does he call them Sister. 00;38;52;13 - 00;38;53;28 Mark Margaret and Sister Mary. 00;38;53;28 - 00;38;55;17 Sarah What is Sister Boniface his first name? 00;38;55;18 - 00;38;56;17 Mark Elizabeth. 00;38;56;17 - 00;38;58;09 Sarah I think neither of them. 00;38;58;11 - 00;38;59;04 Mark Okay. 00;38;59;06 - 00;39;02;01 Sarah Elizabeth, do you need any more proof person that. 00;39;02;03 - 00;39;05;26 Mark I just think they got the idea from it? I just think I. 00;39;05;26 - 00;39;07;29 Sarah Think they were familiar with nuns in glasses. 00;39;08;03 - 00;39;13;21 Mark Yes. So it just struck me. Okay. 00;39;13;23 - 00;39;16;24 Mark Susie tells Father Browne what's going on. 00;39;16;24 - 00;39;27;19 Sarah Yeah. That she caught Norman and Philip together and has been blackmailing him. Okay, But she's been blackmailing him on benefit of the community. Like when he gives her the big. 00;39;27;19 - 00;39;29;03 Mark £10. 00;39;29;05 - 00;39;32;04 Sarah And tells her to run off to London and never be seen again. 00;39;32;04 - 00;39;34;02 Mark Yeah, like I said, not. 00;39;34;02 - 00;39;36;23 Sarah Enough money for anybody. Even with inflation. 00;39;36;27 - 00;39;46;09 Mark And think the writers do such a good job here of making it period appropriate and yet not making it goofy or funny. 00;39;46;09 - 00;39;49;12 Sarah Yeah, yeah. It's not exaggerated. 00;39;49;13 - 00;40;06;25 Mark Also, I do have a problem with this episode that anyone with a brain would immediately know that she is not. I want a scene with Father Brown and Valentine where Valentine goes, my hands are tied, but we both know what's going on. 00;40;06;27 - 00;40;08;16 Sarah I think there is kind of that. 00;40;08;16 - 00;40;09;03 Mark Kind of. 00;40;09;04 - 00;40;15;13 Sarah When she takes her confession back. Yeah, he's like, I know, but I can't do anything. 00;40;15;13 - 00;40;19;27 Mark He makes a reference to the courts of a assizes. 00;40;19;27 - 00;40;20;26 Mark Yes. 00;40;20;28 - 00;40;27;14 Mark There are periodic courts that are held around England and Wales until 1972, basically they didn't have enough towards. 00;40;27;18 - 00;40;28;18 Sarah Their travel in court. 00;40;28;18 - 00;40;38;15 Mark Yeah, they travel around like they did this in the Old West, too. The judge would come to town once a month and do all the courts. It was much easier for the judge to move around. 00;40;38;21 - 00;40;44;03 Sarah Than to bring all the bad people to a central court in which they might get away during transportation. 00;40;44;04 - 00;41;09;18 Mark Yeah. And then we have this great scene, which I think is really important to the writers in this episode, because they change what happens in this episode, in the story and in the 19 four show, Norman is killed for a different reason than here. And I think this moment at the pond is the central moment of this episode where he says, I'm terrified. 00;41;09;19 - 00;41;19;10 Mark Yeah. And Father Brown basically says, Your secret's safe with me. And I really kind of don't care. I'm trying to find out why this man got killed. 00;41;19;12 - 00;41;30;02 Sarah Because in the original, Norman is bad and, well, the reverend is mad at him enough to kill him because he takes advantage of somebody who is intellectually disabled. 00;41;30;02 - 00;41;31;08 Mark Yeah, right. That's it. 00;41;31;11 - 00;41;43;10 Sarah That's his big mean thing. Yeah, but in this version, the Reverend is angry enough to kill him because he knows that he's having some kind of sex with up in the gardens shack in the cemetery. 00;41;43;10 - 00;41;56;18 Mark And. And I was going to get this in the end, but we can talk about this now. In this version, he throws that hammer with the intention of killing his brother. Yeah. While in the story and first version. 00;41;56;20 - 00;41;56;27 Sarah In the. 00;41;56;27 - 00;42;03;00 Mark Set kind of says, I dropped this hammer and God made it go to kill him. 00;42;03;00 - 00;42;08;05 Sarah I dropped it. It could have fallen on the ground, but it didn't. And that was because God drove it to his head. 00;42;08;07 - 00;42;14;29 Mark And why I think this scene is important and why he's a bad guy is because that original. 00;42;15;03 - 00;42;16;23 Sarah Myself is an entomologist. 00;42;16;24 - 00;42;24;26 Mark Yeah, Norman is has this helmet on. And his brother says it was just like the hammer had this green bug, this green beetle. 00;42;24;28 - 00;42;28;22 Sarah It killed him even though he had a helmet on. So why was he wearing a helmet? 00;42;28;26 - 00;42;29;27 Mark Because in. 00;42;29;27 - 00;42;30;13 Sarah The original. 00;42;30;15 - 00;42;33;22 Mark I forget. Okay, But I think that's why he's a bug guy here. 00;42;33;22 - 00;42;36;18 Sarah I think it's kind of a reach, but I'll go with that, so I'll let you have it. 00;42;36;22 - 00;42;38;10 Mark Okay, then. 00;42;38;13 - 00;42;56;00 Sarah The other thing is, if you've never watched Father Brown before, that there's this little twist that happens at the end of every episode when when Father Brown confronts the criminal and he says, I know you did it. Yeah. Consistently. He says, I know you did it, but you can repent. Yeah. You're still going to go to prison. Don't get me wrong. 00;42;56;00 - 00;43;11;15 Sarah I'm not saying you can get away with this, but more importantly, you have to confess to God. You have to save your soul because you are going to go to prison. But your soul is not irredeemable. And some people like that. He does that and some people dislike that. He does. 00;43;11;15 - 00;43;13;23 Mark And he does that consistently. 00;43;13;23 - 00;43;22;27 Sarah No matter how bad the criminal is, no matter how nasty they are, he always offers to hear their confession. Yeah, and to help them save their soul. 00;43;23;01 - 00;43;37;12 Mark He says The truth is what's important, not who did it or jail or anything. It's the truth. Father Brown confronts him up the tower. He. He makes a motion to jump off. And Father Brown convinces him not to do that. 00;43;37;18 - 00;43;39;12 Sarah But the Rav is not sorry. 00;43;39;12 - 00;43;43;28 Mark No, the Rev is not sorry. He says it was guided by God. 00;43;43;29 - 00;43;46;07 Sarah I didn't do it. God did it. 00;43;46;07 - 00;43;46;26 Mark God. 00;43;46;26 - 00;43;48;17 Sarah All I did was throw the hammer. 00;43;48;17 - 00;43;48;25 Mark At. 00;43;48;25 - 00;43;57;17 Mark Father Brown. Does the perfect mad Father Brown here? Yeah. Where he goes. Don't let God be your scapegoat. 00;43;57;19 - 00;44;00;16 Sarah And it's very much a how dare you it. 00;44;00;18 - 00;44;01;09 Mark Wow. 00;44;01;11 - 00;44;12;09 Sarah Which, whether you believe in God or not, is really satisfying. Yeah. He's like, You are not going to get away with that. With that excuse, It doesn't fly with me or with anybody else. 00;44;12;09 - 00;44;14;27 Mark But the Rev has a career that he's missing here. 00;44;15;04 - 00;44;15;25 Sarah Yeah. 00;44;15;28 - 00;44;37;00 Mark He is the luckiest shot in the entire world. Okay, folks, I went outside of our house. We have a deck. I have a hammer that I use to help split wood and stuff in the backyard. And I threw the hammer from the deck, and I'm like, No way. You hitting anything. Certainly not something 50 feet away. 00;44;37;01 - 00;44;46;09 Sarah How many experiments do you do off our back deck? You drop knives off of there, now you're throwing hammers off the back deck. Never mind. Norman is not like underneath him. 00;44;46;09 - 00;44;47;23 Mark No, He's. 00;44;47;25 - 00;44;51;15 Sarah 20, 30 feet away from the church wall. He's got to throw it. 00;44;51;15 - 00;44;56;01 Mark Out in the 74 show. And the story. He's right beside the church. 00;44;56;01 - 00;44;59;28 Sarah Yeah, he basically just drop it off the edge. Yeah, but this one. 00;44;59;28 - 00;45;01;19 Mark It's like. 00;45;01;21 - 00;45;02;16 Sarah He. Yeah, he. 00;45;02;16 - 00;45;04;09 Mark Needs a little, like, laser. 00;45;04;09 - 00;45;08;15 Mark Pointer. Did do do do locked on brown. 00;45;08;21 - 00;45;09;28 Sarah Did you feel it. 00;45;10;00 - 00;45;12;10 Mark Oh yeah. Like, man it would hurt. 00;45;12;13 - 00;45;18;21 Mark And they do this great shot where he falls down just as Lady Felicia goes outside. 00;45;18;23 - 00;45;19;12 Mark Yeah. 00;45;19;14 - 00;45;23;12 Mark And like, I really like that shot. I think they did that That was a nice. 00;45;23;12 - 00;45;35;03 Sarah She was just at the door and the reverend couldn't know that she was just at the door. And then she went in and throws the hammer and she comes back. Yeah. She could have easily seen the hammer fly. 00;45;35;03 - 00;45;36;28 Mark Yeah, she could easily. 00;45;36;28 - 00;45;42;22 Sarah And if she did, they would have known exactly who did it right then and there. Yeah. Let's talk about title for a second. 00;45;42;23 - 00;45;44;03 Mark Okay. Hammer of God. 00;45;44;03 - 00;45;49;19 Sarah Because the rabbi says God did it. Yes, Right. I was just his instrument. God did it. 00;45;49;19 - 00;45;51;23 Mark God made me go to the blacksmith's shop. 00;45;51;23 - 00;45;52;16 Mark To get to. 00;45;52;22 - 00;45;54;15 Sarah Borrow a hammer to fix the clock. 00;45;54;18 - 00;45;54;28 Mark Yeah. 00;45;54;28 - 00;45;57;11 Mark My brother, he was going to fix that clock. 00;45;57;17 - 00;46;04;17 Sarah So is God's hammer. The hammer does the Reverend see himself as God's hammer? 00;46;04;19 - 00;46;05;29 Mark So this is a loan larger. 00;46;06;02 - 00;46;09;13 Sarah Is Father Brown the real hammer of God? 00;46;09;15 - 00;46;15;24 Mark Because. So there's a long tradition of people being objects of God, the sword of God. 00;46;15;24 - 00;46;16;16 Sarah The right hand. 00;46;16;16 - 00;46;23;02 Mark The right hand of God. You know, that that is a well-known tradition that is not Christian based, Right? 00;46;23;04 - 00;46;25;12 Sarah So it's not exclusive to Christianity. 00;46;25;12 - 00;46;27;14 Mark But Hammer is a modern thing. 00;46;27;15 - 00;46;28;01 Mark No, no. 00;46;28;04 - 00;46;28;20 Sarah In the Bible. 00;46;28;20 - 00;46;31;04 Mark It's in them. I look for the word hammer the Bible. 00;46;31;04 - 00;46;32;17 Sarah Oh, it's all over the place. 00;46;32;19 - 00;46;34;26 Mark It's all about gold in the Bible. 00;46;34;26 - 00;46;35;24 Mark No, God. 00;46;35;27 - 00;46;47;06 Sarah God says, I wish I'd written it down. I'm not a biblical scholar. Okay, But he says, Am I not a hammer that I like? Break up the hearts of men who are like stones? 00;46;47;07 - 00;46;48;00 Mark To me. 00;46;48;02 - 00;46;52;12 Mark That's a new that's a New Testament reference, I think. Well, you're talking. 00;46;52;12 - 00;46;54;05 Sarah Okay, but that was written well before this. 00;46;54;09 - 00;46;59;00 Mark Yeah, yeah, yeah. You saw like, a modern thing. 00;46;59;02 - 00;47;05;01 Mark That I think is what you're referencing. If you say Father Brown's the hammer of God. 00;47;05;01 - 00;47;09;06 Sarah Yeah. Like, he's like he is the symbol of righteousness. 00;47;09;08 - 00;47;09;21 Mark Yes. 00;47;09;25 - 00;47;15;16 Sarah And of smiting. I mean, he doesn't like, throw the reverend off the roof or anything. 00;47;15;16 - 00;47;16;05 Mark No, but. 00;47;16;11 - 00;47;27;17 Sarah He's definitely not going to let him get away with this. No. You know, he's going to definitely turn him in if he doesn't turn himself in for sure. Yeah. Suzy has made a dish. She made a dish for the extravaganza. 00;47;27;17 - 00;47;34;05 Mark Yes. And it's not really talked about the name of it doesn't appear in the subtitles Very well. 00;47;34;07 - 00;47;35;16 Sarah It doesn't appear at all. 00;47;35;17 - 00;47;38;13 Mark No, they kind of just go. Oh, never mind. 00;47;38;15 - 00;47;54;00 Sarah She and and, and I'll tell you that the actress who plays Suzy Cassia Collette, is Polish. Yes, she's actually Polish. When Father Brown tastes it at the extravaganza, it's clear that it's like a spaghetti. 00;47;54;06 - 00;47;55;15 Mark That like a noodle eating. 00;47;55;16 - 00;47;58;19 Sarah Like a noodle is like a cold noodle salad kind of thing. 00;47;58;26 - 00;48;01;07 Mark Doesn't go with strawberry score. 00;48;01;10 - 00;48;06;17 Sarah Well, there's there's a selection of things in the pigeon. People bring what they want. But what Suzy. 00;48;06;19 - 00;48;08;16 Mark Said, we got to eat more before I do this. 00;48;08;16 - 00;48;10;28 Mark Podcast. My stomach's like a rumbling. 00;48;11;00 - 00;48;23;17 Sarah What Suzy calls it then, and it's very quick sound, something like GROSS is making. Yeah, something like that. Yeah. I'm like, I got to know what this is. I looked all over the place, right? 00;48;23;17 - 00;48;24;22 Mark This is your rabbit hole. 00;48;24;22 - 00;48;37;05 Sarah And then I found a board of people who are Polish, Polish, American, discussing all kinds of things. And one of the things that somebody asked about is this dish. 00;48;37;11 - 00;48;38;08 Mark In this scene. 00;48;38;08 - 00;49;02;15 Sarah In this scene philosophically is what they're talking about. And these are people who clearly know what they're talking about. Yeah, skimmed around the other threads. They know what they're talking about. And what they say is they think what she's actually made is something called Clu Ski Club Johnny or Club Jump. I can't sit or clue Ski and clue Ski is like noodle or dumpling. 00;49;02;16 - 00;49;29;04 Sarah Okay. McCluskey Ski is potato dumplings that are sort of like noodles, vodka. But Clue ski club Johnny is probably closer because they're noodles that you sort of drop into boiling water. So they're like almost like a batter that you drop into and it forms into noodles and that would be more spaghetti like, yeah, but then I went a little bit further because I'm like, No, it looks like pasta. 00;49;29;04 - 00;49;30;22 Sarah It makes like spaghetti and. 00;49;30;22 - 00;49;33;00 Mark Make in the face. I'm a little worried here. 00;49;33;00 - 00;49;36;29 Sarah And I found this very well known Polish pasta dish. 00;49;36;29 - 00;49;38;04 Mark Okay. 00;49;38;06 - 00;49;57;25 Sarah Now, I'm not saying that people around the world can't eat their own stuff and that I have to like it, you know, whatever you like. Fine. Great. And I also know that a lot of recipes, traditional recipes, originate out of not having a whole lot to put together. You know, you don't have everything to choose from. You make do with what you have. 00;49;57;28 - 00;50;08;01 Sarah It's a lot of traditional recipes are born out of necessity, but I don't think there's any explanation for this one. Are you ready? Okay. This is a well known Polish pasta dish. Okay? It is pasta with strawberries. 00;50;08;04 - 00;50;11;18 Mark We're not now making fun of Polish people for their food. 00;50;11;18 - 00;50;13;13 Sarah It is pasta with strawberry sauce. 00;50;13;20 - 00;50;15;27 Mark This dish is not good. 00;50;16;00 - 00;50;19;12 Sarah It is like ziti with a sauce made from strawberries. 00;50;19;12 - 00;50;20;23 Mark Is it served cold or warm? 00;50;20;28 - 00;50;21;27 Sarah Pasta's warm. 00;50;21;29 - 00;50;24;11 Mark The sauce is cold. And it's. 00;50;24;13 - 00;50;25;00 Mark Got all the. 00;50;25;02 - 00;50;31;01 Sarah Stuff. You got to listen. Okay? It's made with strawberries. Okay. Sour cream, honey and vanilla. 00;50;31;03 - 00;50;32;00 Mark That's okay. 00;50;32;03 - 00;50;32;27 Sarah And that's over. 00;50;32;27 - 00;50;33;11 Mark Pasta? 00;50;33;16 - 00;50;36;02 Mark Yeah, it should be over ice cream. 00;50;36;02 - 00;50;37;05 Sarah It's dessert. 00;50;37;07 - 00;50;38;26 Mark Yeah, it's dessert pasta. 00;50;38;28 - 00;50;39;28 Mark I just can't. 00;50;40;02 - 00;50;53;09 Sarah Oh, I'm glad they like it. Hey, if you like it, great. Convince me. Yeah, Somebody convinced me if you had it. Yes. It sounds like ruining two good dishes. Like you could just have the pasta and you could have that strawberry sauce on just about anything. 00;50;53;09 - 00;50;53;25 Mark Yes, a. 00;50;53;25 - 00;50;57;01 Sarah Scone. Yeah. Toast? Yeah. He would be better. 00;50;57;06 - 00;51;02;23 Mark Yes. Why would you want. You could ask Why would you do that? 00;51;02;23 - 00;51;05;14 Sarah I can't think of a single dessert made with pasta. 00;51;05;15 - 00;51;07;06 Mark No, I don't like cold food. 00;51;07;06 - 00;51;09;09 Sarah So that's your problem? Yeah. 00;51;09;13 - 00;51;12;10 Mark Anyhow, that is hammer of God. 00;51;12;11 - 00;51;23;21 Sarah Let me tell you one more thing before we go. Okay? That is funny. So I'm looking into Catholics, right? Because what I want to know and it's such a stupid question, probably Browns cassock has a whole bunch of buttons on the front. 00;51;23;21 - 00;51;24;04 Mark Yes. 00;51;24;06 - 00;51;25;19 Mark Do you think to wear his pants under that? 00;51;25;19 - 00;51;26;12 Sarah He definitely does. 00;51;26;16 - 00;51;30;24 Mark Covers up the screwdriver of God. 00;51;30;27 - 00;51;42;17 Sarah Mark Williams is but which we saw on the other day. I want to know whether they're real buttons because what a hassle. Yeah, right. That's a lot of buttons so a lot of their wedding dresses that have little satin buttons down the back and underneath a zipper. 00;51;42;17 - 00;51;43;21 Mark Yeah, there's a fake. 00;51;43;21 - 00;52;02;24 Sarah But yeah, I mean so I wanted to know. So I go looking around to see if in the fifties Catholics would have had real buttons. Yeah. And I find out that they have this thing called they call it like a Chesterfield front. Yes. Where they're fake buttons. And underneath there are buttons, but they're bigger and there's fewer of them like under a fly. 00;52;02;25 - 00;52;12;14 Sarah Yeah, right. I find this great description on Wikipedia explaining that for ease of use, they did this with the buttons, right? And then the next link I go to is on Amazon. 00;52;12;19 - 00;52;12;24 Mark Yeah. 00;52;12;28 - 00;52;15;05 Sarah For a cassock that you can buy. 00;52;15;08 - 00;52;15;18 Mark Yes. 00;52;15;23 - 00;52;33;02 Sarah That isn't a costume. It's not a cheap cassock. It's being sold by an ecumenical costume. Ecumenical equipment company. Yes. They sell serious stuff. They do. Yeah. A black wool cassock. Yes, I read the description. It sounds familiar. I go back to Wikipedia. It's the same. 00;52;33;02 - 00;52;36;01 Mark Text on both pages. 00;52;36;03 - 00;52;44;15 Sarah So either Wikipedia has stolen a description from an Amazon page or the cassock company copied and pasted Wikipedia for their Amazon page. 00;52;44;15 - 00;52;47;20 Mark Now that is it. I want to know the answer. 00;52;47;20 - 00;52;53;15 Sarah But there's no reference see on either one might go and we saw this from Wikipedia or this is copied from a Catholic description. 00;52;53;15 - 00;52;55;25 Mark And this I and it's not fair. That's weird. 00;52;55;26 - 00;53;03;06 Sarah It's not very well written either. So they both made bad choices. Anyhow, he didn't have to button all those buttons. There's probably just a few buttons underneath it. 00;53;03;06 - 00;53;04;20 Mark Oh, you old woman. 00;53;04;22 - 00;53;39;28 Sarah Yeah. Mrs. M learns to make the recipe that we don't know. Yeah, Susie tries it. A lot of people say, and I don't know this for sure if you're a Catholic or you were raised Catholic or have experience with this, you can let us know that you're not supposed to eat before you take communion. Yeah. And so Susie, tasting it on the way into church is kind of a big deal because either she's making a pretty big mistake that she's eating something or she knows she shouldn't, and she's eating it anyway to be to show goodwill towards Mrs. M all I kept thinking this is what life was like before Tupperware. 00;53;40;05 - 00;53;41;15 Mark Yes. 00;53;41;17 - 00;53;51;09 Sarah That you had to have a bowl with a cloth on it to take food to a party. She sticks her fingers right. The ball that, my friends, is hammer of God. 00;53;51;10 - 00;53;52;09 Mark Yeah. We don't have our. 00;53;52;09 - 00;53;53;21 Sarah Introduction to Father Brown. 00;53;53;21 - 00;53;55;13 Mark We don't have a best corpse because we just. 00;53;55;14 - 00;53;56;19 Sarah There's only the one. 00;53;56;19 - 00;53;57;29 Mark What about after the credits? 00;53;58;06 - 00;53;59;18 Mark Oh. 00;53;59;20 - 00;54;11;29 Sarah I think Elizabeth and Simeon are going to be just fine. I don't know who's going to take over the Bohan estate when one brother is dead and the other one's going to prison. Maybe they have a sister who's decent to take over. 00;54;11;29 - 00;54;14;05 Mark She should be taking all the money. 00;54;14;07 - 00;54;19;09 Sarah I think Philip are our entomologist, is going to be just fine. I hope he. 00;54;19;09 - 00;54;20;23 Mark Finds a nice man in London. 00;54;20;24 - 00;54;22;06 Mark Yeah, Yeah, that's it. 00;54;22;08 - 00;54;23;08 Mark Okay. 00;54;23;11 - 00;54;27;17 Sarah I don't have a horrible movie for you this time. All these people, all these actors have made good choices. 00;54;27;23 - 00;54;28;05 Mark Yes. 00;54;28;05 - 00;54;29;10 Sarah I'm not what they're going to be here. 00;54;29;10 - 00;54;31;25 Mark And you can find. 00;54;31;27 - 00;54;33;04 Sarah You can find us everywhere. 00;54;33;07 - 00;54;33;21 Mark Yes. 00;54;33;25 - 00;54;39;15 Mark On Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, email, all that good stuff. Again, we're still taking off on Instagram. 00;54;39;15 - 00;54;41;00 Sarah What's our next Father Brown? 00;54;41;00 - 00;54;48;18 Mark Our next Father Brown is season one, Episode six, which is the eye of Apollo. 00;54;48;21 - 00;54;50;00 Mark Oh, it's a good. 00;54;50;03 - 00;54;51;24 Mark It's a very, very good. 00;54;51;27 - 00;54;56;26 Sarah We always have to do the first one. Not that the first episode is bad. He God is it is a good episode. 00;54;56;26 - 00;55;02;23 Mark They do so many things right in this episode. I remember when we saw it, we first were like Father Brown. 00;55;02;29 - 00;55;06;01 Mark Yeah. And it started Potato Vision. Yeah, yeah, Yes. 00;55;06;01 - 00;55;12;25 Mark And then we saw it was Mark Williams and we're like, Yes, he's awesome. And then we watched that first episode and we're like, Oh, we got to watch another one. 00;55;12;25 - 00;55;13;26 Sarah This is going to be good. 00;55;13;26 - 00;55;14;23 Mark Yeah, this is going. 00;55;14;23 - 00;55;31;23 Sarah To be good. So the next one we're going to do is episode six of this season. Feel free to watch all the ones in between if you haven't seen them for sure. But if you can't and you skip right to episode six, you will be fine. Yeah, they're very good at not relying on each episode in order. 00;55;31;28 - 00;55;39;20 Mark If you worry about continuity with these episodes, you got to watch the first and the last episode of each season because that's where I need real change. 00;55;39;20 - 00;55;43;05 Sarah The big story arcs happen like characters come and go and things like that. 00;55;43;05 - 00;55;46;21 Mark But you have the first and last episode, so. 00;55;46;23 - 00;55;49;07 Sarah All right, so until next time. 00;55;49;10 - 00;55;50;20 Mark Buy Maniacs. 00;55;50;20 - 00;55;55;20 Sarah Buy me X, your mother, Mexicans and how. 00;55;55;22 - 00;56;29;28 Mark Hey, welcome back, maniacs. It's Marc. And I just want to intersect quickly because I've added on to this episode a little part from episode 140, where we discuss getting an email from Jude Tindle, who solves the sister bond first conspire C for us. And after that I've added some audio outtakes for you to enjoy. After the theme music, I hope you like them by Maniacs. 00;56;30;00 - 00;56;31;26 Sarah And last but not least. 00;56;31;26 - 00;56;32;23 Mark But not least. 00;56;32;23 - 00;56;39;07 Sarah This is my favorite announcement of the week. Before we dive in. We're not quoting. 00;56;39;07 - 00;56;40;03 Mark An end. 00;56;40;03 - 00;56;41;00 Sarah Except a lot. 00;56;41;00 - 00;56;44;00 Mark To this sister. The first conspiracy is the. 00;56;44;00 - 00;56;47;03 Sarah Train station sister by an office conspiracy. 00;56;47;05 - 00;56;58;22 Mark So just to reiterate, I noticed in episode one of the new father Browns that in the background of the scene in the train station, there was a woman who looked quite a bit like. 00;56;58;24 - 00;57;06;14 Sarah There are two nuns sitting there, one wearing glasses. And you said, I think that's Lorna Watson. I think that's Sister Boniface in the background. 00;57;06;18 - 00;57;08;27 Mark Yes. This divided the Internet. 00;57;08;28 - 00;57;11;10 Sarah I disagreed vehemently. 00;57;11;11 - 00;57;13;16 Mark Some were in. 00;57;13;18 - 00;57;22;08 Mark Camp Sarah that said no, There was one person on Facebook that just said because I posted is a question and they said, no. 00;57;22;10 - 00;57;24;08 Mark That was their entire comment. 00;57;24;10 - 00;57;25;19 Sarah You don't need to argue it. 00;57;25;19 - 00;57;26;22 Mark It's obvious. 00;57;26;25 - 00;57;36;15 Mark But there were others who sent me pictures of the two of them together, which I was like, yes, yes, absolutely. And said, sorry, Sarah, this is true. 00;57;36;15 - 00;57;40;15 Sarah And I was like, are nuns? And glasses are not all identical. 00;57;40;16 - 00;57;45;18 Mark We argued about this on an episode and we now have. 00;57;45;18 - 00;57;48;15 Mark Different means to to pursue. 00;57;48;18 - 00;57;50;26 Sarah Debate in this. But now we have a definitive answer. 00;57;50;26 - 00;57;53;15 Mark We have a definitive answer because. 00;57;53;15 - 00;57;57;14 Sarah You sent messages to everyone you could related to that. 00;57;57;14 - 00;57;59;15 Mark Episode and ask them. 00;57;59;15 - 00;58;04;20 Mark We reached out to a couple of people we know in England and see if we could get in touch with. 00;58;04;20 - 00;58;04;29 Mark People. 00;58;04;29 - 00;58;10;06 Sarah Who even looked at Lorna Watson's filmography to see if she was filming says. 00;58;10;08 - 00;58;13;11 Mark I wish I could do that. 00;58;13;13 - 00;58;17;02 Sarah And you had a corkboard with Red String on it? 00;58;17;02 - 00;58;19;20 Mark Practically, yeah. 00;58;19;23 - 00;58;44;29 Mark And two days ago from when we're recording this, we got an email from one dude Tindle Mm hmm. Who is Jude Tindle in the name may be familiar because he basically wrote Every Father Brown that we cover. Mm hmm. She wrote Christmas episodes. I think she wrote the Halloween episode. She wrote a whole bunch of them. She's also the co-creator of Sister Bond Fan. 00;58;45;02 - 00;58;45;24 Mark And. 00;58;46;01 - 00;58;47;12 Mark Shakespeare. Anne Hathaway. 00;58;47;13 - 00;58;48;23 Mark Mm hmm. 00;58;48;25 - 00;58;52;11 Sarah A.K.A. somebody who will definitely know. 00;58;52;11 - 00;59;02;01 Mark So she says the following. I was sent your podcast on The Bride of Christ. I really enjoyed your forensic critiques. 00;59;02;03 - 00;59;03;18 Mark That's a nice way of putting it. 00;59;03;18 - 00;59;14;07 Mark It's a very nice, fabulous stuff, and I hope I can answer one question as I wrote the episode. And then she goes on to answer the question and she's a very nice lady. 00;59;14;07 - 00;59;17;27 Sarah Read it, read it. 00;59;17;29 - 00;59;20;03 Mark She says, and hope. 00;59;20;03 - 00;59;40;04 Mark I can answer a question. As I wrote the episode, it wasn't Laura in the background of the other episode. You're quite right. They're transmitted out of order. And in fact, episode six was the last one written in which time the one with the bespectacled supporting card artist had already been shot. 00;59;40;09 - 00;59;41;07 Mark And. 00;59;41;09 - 00;59;41;28 Mark So on. 00;59;41;29 - 00;59;43;00 Mark And so. 00;59;43;00 - 00;59;45;27 Sarah On. What does it say? 00;59;46;00 - 00;59;54;12 Mark As our Bee's blog for the episode said EARNEST eyes behind owl glasses because she's a buffoon. 00;59;54;16 - 00;59;55;12 Mark Yes. 00;59;55;15 - 01;00;00;24 Mark So what does that translate that for our American viewers? 01;00;00;27 - 01;00;14;03 Sarah The description of the character is that she should wear glasses. Yeah, because she's a sciency person. Yes, but the nun in the train station is not Sister Boniface. 01;00;14;03 - 01;00;15;04 Mark No, it is not. 01;00;15;04 - 01;00;17;11 Sarah This is definitive. This is. 01;00;17;11 - 01;00;18;04 Mark Definitely. 01;00;18;08 - 01;00;22;29 Sarah Lorna Watson has been on the set. She was not there. No, it is not her. 01;00;22;29 - 01;00;25;20 Mark I was wrong completely and utterly. 01;00;25;23 - 01;00;28;19 Sarah And me and my camp were right. 01;00;28;26 - 01;00;29;26 Mark Yes, you were. 01;00;29;29 - 01;00;31;03 Mark Yes. 01;00;31;06 - 01;00;47;29 Sarah Listeners, the man before me sucks the fun out of being right. I can tell you he does this whole. Oh, you were right. I was wrong. Okay? You can't even. He just. You can't go. It's no fun. You can't be like Nina, nene or Nene Nina, because he's like, Oh, okay, I was wrong. 01;00;48;02 - 01;00;48;27 Mark You ruined it. 01;00;48;27 - 01;00;50;25 Mark If this wasn't as definitive. 01;00;50;25 - 01;00;51;19 Mark As it is. 01;00;51;19 - 01;00;52;29 Mark I would still be trying to. 01;00;52;29 - 01;00;56;14 Mark Find. This is pretty definitive. 01;00;56;14 - 01;00;57;23 Sarah Yeah. Yeah. 01;00;57;29 - 01;01;02;04 Mark How amazing is it that we got an email from Judith? 01;01;02;07 - 01;01;06;27 Sarah I know. That's incredible. And it's so nice of her to settle the argument. 01;01;06;27 - 01;01;19;25 Mark I was mean to Sarah. I sent her a text that said I have a definitive answer on the sister Bond. First conspiracy. And that is all I said. 01;01;19;28 - 01;01;23;25 Sarah I didn't speed home that day to get back to find out. 01;01;23;25 - 01;01;49;24 Mark The other part of this is we now have dude Jindal's email address in every other family except for mine that. 01;01;49;27 - 01;01;50;09 Mark You know. 01;01;50;13 - 01;01;51;29 Sarah And every other family but yours. 01;01;51;29 - 01;01;53;10 Mark I don't know what I would say in there. 01;01;53;11 - 01;01;53;28 Sarah I don't either. 01;01;53;28 - 01;01;55;01 Mark We're going to have to skip that. 01;01;55;01 - 01;02;02;21 Sarah Yeah, because people are going to wonder, well, there's your clip for the end of the show after the. 01;02;02;21 - 01;02;07;20 Mark Music and see. 01;02;07;22 - 01;02;10;26 Sarah Is there something I don't know. 01;02;10;28 - 01;02;17;23 Mark I meant to say that my I am in no way interested in my brother's wife, but it came out bad. 01;02;17;26 - 01;02;19;00 Mark You made it sound like it. 01;02;19;00 - 01;02;19;27 Sarah Was okay in your. 01;02;19;27 - 01;02;27;07 Mark Family. Just bad. Okay. Are we ready? Yes. 01;02;27;09 - 01;02;31;27 Mark So five, four, three, two, one. 01;02;32;04 - 01;02;33;05 Sarah Hey, maniac. 01;02;33;07 - 01;02;38;10 Mark Hey, maniacs. I'm sorry. 01;02;38;11 - 01;02;46;03 Mark Well, okay, we'll start this again. 01;02;46;06 - 01;02;48;17 Mark Okay? Won't be any better. 01;02;48;17 - 01;02;51;25 Mark You got to stop apologizing. 01;02;51;27 - 01;02;56;09 Sarah I want people to know my voice sounds like this, and it's not your fault with the editing. 01;02;56;11 - 01;02;59;18 Mark Hey, come over here. 01;02;59;20 - 01;03;02;16 Sarah I know you can't use that in the outtakes because it won't make any sense at all. 01;03;02;17 - 01;03;14;01 Mark No sense at all. Midsummer Maniacs, a comedy Recap podcast dedicated to the ITV dedicated to the ITV series. 01;03;14;01 - 01;03;17;28 Sarah We're not dedicated. We're committed in more ways, in. 01;03;18;01 - 01;03;19;05 Mark More ways than one. 01;03;19;06 - 01;03;19;14 Sarah To. 01;03;19;14 - 01;03;26;23 Mark That committed to the midsummer. Midsummer Maniacs. Midsummer Maniacs. 01;03;26;27 - 01;03;31;02 Sarah Is a comedy recap podcast dedicated to the ITV series Midsomer. 01;03;31;02 - 01;03;33;26 Mark Murders. Okay, we need to start that. One of us. 01;03;33;26 - 01;03;36;19 Mark Does the whole thing. 01;03;36;22 - 01;03;38;25 Sarah You're looking at it and you can't do it. 01;03;39;00 - 01;03;45;22 Mark Midsummer Maniacs is a comedy recap podcast committed to the ITV series Late Summer. 01;03;45;26 - 01;03;50;10 Sarah You don't have my joke in there because you always say dedicated. And I was making a joke. 01;03;50;13 - 01;03;52;13 Mark Okay? 01;03;52;15 - 01;03;55;23 Sarah And if you deliver it that way, it sounds so boring. 01;03;55;25 - 01;03;57;11 Mark Midsomer Murders. 01;03;57;14 - 01;04;06;28 Sarah Now we're Midsomer Maniacs, The Slaughter. There's blood all over your beard. How weird. 01;04;07;01 - 01;04;17;23 Mark There's an outtake. It's kind of like that tight, tight little outfit that. 01;04;17;25 - 01;04;20;08 Mark There's not a website that gives you celebrity. 01;04;20;08 - 01;04;27;07 Sarah Tattoos. Not that I could find. But, you know, in my long history of nefarious Googling, since we started. 01;04;27;07 - 01;04;28;27 Mark Making this show. 01;04;28;29 - 01;04;37;25 Sarah I was Googling, you know, does Orlando Bloom have tattoos? Of course he does now use different ones, right? Yeah. But then I you know, pictures of Orlando Bloom's stomach. 01;04;37;28 - 01;04;38;10 Mark Yeah. 01;04;38;10 - 01;04;53;02 Sarah And that's more like his six pack, right? Yeah. And then, like, No, no below Orlando Bloom, Billy biting because it's really low. I'm like, Mark's going to see this and wonder what I'm doing anyway. 01;04;53;05 - 01;04;54;23 Mark La, la la. 01;04;54;26 - 01;04;56;10 Mark Stop bouncing. I'll stop. 01;04;56;10 - 01;04;57;19 Sarah There. You're going to make me seasick. 01;04;57;25 - 01;04;58;07 Mark Okay? 01;04;58;12 - 01;04;59;02 Mark Okay. 01;04;59;04 - 01;05;02;07 Mark But it's not George's office. It's kind of a lab on the side. 01;05;02;08 - 01;05;06;18 Mark It's a weird lab. It's like a closet lab. Yeah, It's like. 01;05;06;20 - 01;05;11;12 Sarah Who has a what do they call it? The thing that spins the blood out. The. 01;05;11;15 - 01;05;12;16 Mark I don't know. 01;05;12;18 - 01;05;13;12 Mark I know what you mean. 01;05;13;12 - 01;05;14;19 Sarah Uses centripetal force. 01;05;14;19 - 01;05;16;24 Mark Yes, separator. 01;05;16;24 - 01;05;17;22 Mark So, no. 01;05;17;25 - 01;05;19;09 Sarah That's after. 01;05;19;11 - 01;05;25;22 Mark Peggy. It's built. Really? Yeah. Yeah. I'm mean, it's cage. Okay. Never mind that out. Yep. 01;05;25;25 - 01;05;30;03 Mark You have a head cold? 01;05;30;05 - 01;05;33;28 Mark No, I don't. 01;05;34;00 - 01;05;35;13 Sarah Do not have any. 01;05;35;15 - 01;05;36;18 Mark Things appearing. 01;05;36;18 - 01;05;38;11 Mark At the end of the episode. 01;05;38;13 - 01;05;39;17 Sarah Are you already recording? 01;05;39;21 - 01;05;42;16 Mark Yeah, of course you are. 01;05;42;18 - 01;05;50;15 Mark Anyways, welcome to house Sarah Marker uptight Canada. 01;05;50;17 - 01;05;53;10 Sarah Well, first spinster. She was nice. 01;05;53;13 - 01;05;55;11 Mark No one said the S word.