1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,900 Unknown: One of the states that there are more hauntings than 2 00:00:03,900 --> 00:00:08,760 any is my home state of Kansas. They said, for some reason, 3 00:00:09,060 --> 00:00:15,060 there are a lot of instances and stories of hauntings, and the 4 00:00:15,060 --> 00:00:17,280 majority of them come from that state. 5 00:00:17,699 --> 00:00:22,939 Do you think they involve just a lot of pioneers that were, you 6 00:00:22,939 --> 00:00:28,699 know, heading west, that suffered, you know, weathers or 7 00:00:28,759 --> 00:00:31,759 what have you, yeah, getting stuck in the weather there in 8 00:00:31,759 --> 00:00:34,459 the weather in Kansas is horrible, you know, and Native 9 00:00:34,459 --> 00:00:40,039 American skirmishes, yeah, that perhaps may have occurred there. 10 00:00:40,039 --> 00:00:42,579 You know, I lived in South Carolina for a number of years, 11 00:00:43,059 --> 00:00:46,899 and that's a state that has experienced not only the Civil 12 00:00:46,899 --> 00:00:50,739 War, but the Revolutionary War. You know, as evidence that the 13 00:00:50,739 --> 00:00:55,359 motion picture, the Patriot with Mel Gibson, that's about great 14 00:00:55,359 --> 00:00:58,719 movie, yeah, it is. That's about the Revolutionary War, and it is 15 00:00:58,719 --> 00:01:05,819 set in South Carolina. Yeah, welcome to a podcast about music 16 00:01:05,879 --> 00:01:12,359 and entertainment before it all goes down the disposal, this is 17 00:01:12,359 --> 00:01:13,799 circling the drain. 18 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:20,160 Hey, welcome back into circling the drain. Of course, you know 19 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,260 me. I guess Johnny B. Johnny Bozeman, the other j, right over 20 00:01:24,260 --> 00:01:25,400 here. Jay Harper, 21 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,680 yes, I we have met. Have we? Yes, okay, hey, good to see you. 22 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:31,580 Johnny B, it's good 23 00:01:31,580 --> 00:01:36,320 to see you. Yeah, rated PG for pretty good, or x for extra 24 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:36,560 good. 25 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,920 Rated X, and of course, the man who's always rated X, that would 26 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,300 be the great Jim McCarthy. You know, you only see him from the 27 00:01:46,300 --> 00:01:50,020 waist up, which is a good thing, because sometimes pants are 28 00:01:50,020 --> 00:01:53,200 optional. Yes, they are not sometimes 29 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,700 all the time. Or I like those newscasters you always heard of. 30 00:01:57,700 --> 00:01:59,560 You know, they to be wearing their underwear. 31 00:01:59,620 --> 00:02:02,460 Well, you know, you mentioned that. I mean, I used to work at 32 00:02:02,460 --> 00:02:05,820 a TV station in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I was the booth 33 00:02:05,820 --> 00:02:08,460 announcer there, so I would always hang around, and I 34 00:02:08,460 --> 00:02:11,580 usually came in in the evenings and did the spots and, you know, 35 00:02:11,580 --> 00:02:14,640 tonight on midnight movie, you know, that kind of stuff. And 36 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:19,200 the the newscasters, they always were like, in shorts and tennis 37 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:23,060 shoes, but they had the suit and the tie and all that from here 38 00:02:23,060 --> 00:02:25,460 on up? Well, sure, no, so it is a true thing. 39 00:02:25,460 --> 00:02:29,420 Well, and Demetria caledimos, who was a big newscaster here in 40 00:02:29,420 --> 00:02:33,980 Nashville, I understand she she wore these, like, slippers when 41 00:02:33,980 --> 00:02:37,760 she was doing the Yeah, like house shoes, I'm kind of goofy 42 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:43,840 slippers. We were talking before we started on the on the show 43 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,120 here, we were talking about hauntings. 44 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,580 I know we were just kind of tossing around. You know, we've 45 00:02:48,580 --> 00:02:52,180 got a different ideas for topics and stuff. We just started 46 00:02:52,180 --> 00:02:55,600 extemporaneously. I don't know how we got on to that, but we 47 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,540 just started talking about things that we've kind of 48 00:02:58,540 --> 00:03:02,040 witnessed in places we've been or lived, or what have you. And 49 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:06,060 hauntings came up. And yeah, then we said, well, shoot, let's 50 00:03:06,060 --> 00:03:06,960 just, let's 51 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,360 do a, let's do a haunting episode. Yeah, a little 52 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,140 discussion about because there have been a lot of ever since 53 00:03:13,140 --> 00:03:16,920 I've lived here, I've heard all kinds of stories about 54 00:03:16,920 --> 00:03:21,020 hauntings, people seeing something out of the norm, or 55 00:03:21,020 --> 00:03:24,440 experiencing something out of the norm. When I worked with 56 00:03:24,500 --> 00:03:30,320 Phil Valentine, he had a cabin on his property that he and his 57 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:36,020 boys. Boys both swore, all swore that that cabin was haunted. 58 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,680 Do you know how old that structure was, or very old? 59 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,120 In fact, they had to piece it back together. He had bought it, 60 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:47,800 I think, in West Tennessee, and brought it back old log cabin. 61 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,120 They put it back together, and the boys would like be up in 62 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,200 their room, up in the up in the rooms at night and in the 63 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,980 morning. They said they would hear violin music, interesting, 64 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,140 as clear as a bell and go down stairs, nothing there, only in 65 00:04:04,140 --> 00:04:07,740 the cabin, only in the cabin. And Phil would talk about lights 66 00:04:07,740 --> 00:04:14,220 being on, and nobody had turned them on. And what's strange is 67 00:04:14,220 --> 00:04:19,920 they said, after Phil passed, that the hauntings went away, 68 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:27,080 but now they say in what was Phil's office, sometimes the 69 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:34,100 light on the desk will be on and nobody turned it on. Wow. So 70 00:04:34,100 --> 00:04:38,120 that's hard to explain so but you've heard these stories. I 71 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:42,100 mean, especially with us living near all these Confederate 72 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:46,300 battlefields and graveyards, right? 73 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:51,040 I mean, this area of Middle Tennessee has just been through 74 00:04:51,100 --> 00:04:59,200 all kinds of very emotional turmoil, types of historical 75 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:03,360 events. A lot of blood in the dirt. Yes, certainly. You know, 76 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,380 again, my home is in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, which 77 00:05:07,380 --> 00:05:11,400 is about 3035, miles southeast of Nashville. But you know, a 78 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,960 huge Civil War battle took place there. A number of them, 79 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:20,180 actually. And you know, the whole stinking city, as is 80 00:05:20,180 --> 00:05:26,120 Franklin, Tennessee plantation, yes. I mean this whole area, as 81 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,760 you say, man, a lot of blood in the dirt. And while one 82 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:34,400 particular area may be designated as the battlefield, I 83 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,580 mean, come on, let's get real, the whole area is a battlefield. 84 00:05:37,580 --> 00:05:42,400 Oh, sure, sure. In fact, my my parents, my dad, my stepmother, 85 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:48,700 lived in leapers fork, and there was an old farmhouse that was 86 00:05:48,700 --> 00:05:52,840 there, and it still had, you could see where they had tried 87 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:57,460 to fix it, but where a cannonball had gone through. And 88 00:05:57,460 --> 00:06:01,920 they also said they had hung soldiers in the trees on this 89 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,520 property. Yeah, good grief. So, yeah, it had a lot of violent 90 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:06,360 history there. 91 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,840 When they were doing that, that they were like, generations from 92 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:11,520 now, they're going to be totally effed with 93 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,740 no but you know, there have been a lot of you talk about the 94 00:06:19,740 --> 00:06:25,280 Opry. There have been stories of people seeing people like Hank 95 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:25,940 Williams, 96 00:06:25,940 --> 00:06:29,120 yeah, at the right, at the right, the Ryman itself, yeah, 97 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,480 Ryman itself, yeah, that they're still haunting, yeah. Well, 98 00:06:32,540 --> 00:06:35,240 certainly, if you believe in those sorts of things, it 99 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,120 certainly is reasonable to to expect that. 100 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,560 Well, it could happen. I guess just too many eyewitnesses to 101 00:06:42,280 --> 00:06:43,420 say otherwise. 102 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:49,420 Well, we had this similar my dad and my stepmother at one time on 103 00:06:49,420 --> 00:06:54,100 the Hank Williams house on Franklin Road, 4916 Franklin 104 00:06:54,100 --> 00:06:58,120 Road, I can still remember the address. Now, Hank didn't live 105 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,560 there much. I think, I think it was toward the end of their 106 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,480 marriage that they had bought 107 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,640 the house. So this would have been 5253 108 00:07:07,319 --> 00:07:13,199 probably early 50s. Yeah, and Audrey built on, built more to 109 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:16,679 the house. And it was really weird. It was like an orange or 110 00:07:16,739 --> 00:07:21,799 orange. It was gold brick. Looked really oriental, like 111 00:07:21,799 --> 00:07:28,699 even the outside cabana had kind of Oriental type roof to it. She 112 00:07:28,759 --> 00:07:30,019 must have really been into, you 113 00:07:30,020 --> 00:07:33,020 know, that was kind of a thing back in the 50s, that Chinese 114 00:07:33,020 --> 00:07:36,860 provincial, yes, type of decor. 115 00:07:37,339 --> 00:07:41,619 But that house had a lot of everybody that ever spent time 116 00:07:41,619 --> 00:07:47,079 in that house had some kind of strange occurrence. Mine 117 00:07:47,319 --> 00:07:51,639 personally, was there was a side of the house that Hank Jr used 118 00:07:51,639 --> 00:07:55,719 to live in. It was an apartment that they had for him when he 119 00:07:55,719 --> 00:08:00,599 was a teenager. And whiskey Benton hell bound had just come 120 00:08:00,599 --> 00:08:05,279 out, and I'd gotten through the radio station, and sometimes I'd 121 00:08:05,279 --> 00:08:08,939 stay in the apartment side when I wanted to escape my apartment, 122 00:08:08,939 --> 00:08:12,599 like to avoid girls, or, you know, girls I didn't want to 123 00:08:12,599 --> 00:08:12,719 see. 124 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:15,899 Yeah, I mean, you had such an influx of women chasing, oh, 125 00:08:15,899 --> 00:08:16,019 they 126 00:08:16,019 --> 00:08:20,299 were on the clock. I just couldn't get any 127 00:08:20,300 --> 00:08:24,740 private burden, what a burden to have to carry? Right? To have to 128 00:08:24,740 --> 00:08:31,460 actually get away from No to get away. What's that like? You, 129 00:08:31,460 --> 00:08:32,300 too. Jim, right? 130 00:08:34,100 --> 00:08:38,120 These are more like radio groupies. Unfortunately, I told 131 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,640 them where I live, right? So they show UPS anyway. I was 132 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:49,780 staying at the apartment side, and I had whiskey Ben hellbound, 133 00:08:50,260 --> 00:08:53,260 and they had a record player up there. Well, as I put the record 134 00:08:53,260 --> 00:08:58,300 on, all of a sudden, there's some kind of it was like an 135 00:08:58,300 --> 00:09:04,260 electric like electricity being drained. And instead of that, 136 00:09:08,100 --> 00:09:12,360 yeah, but it didn't start. It all of a sudden it was, it was 137 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:17,100 just barely moving. And I went, Whoa. This is weird. And the 138 00:09:17,100 --> 00:09:23,180 room got cold, really cold. And I thought, This is too weird. I 139 00:09:23,180 --> 00:09:27,560 took the needle off. I ran, fact, I think I ran back to my 140 00:09:27,560 --> 00:09:29,300 apartment. Okay, girls, 141 00:09:30,980 --> 00:09:33,500 like in every modern horror movie now, it's like the close 142 00:09:33,500 --> 00:09:37,220 up on the face, and you see the eyes of realization there. And 143 00:09:37,220 --> 00:09:40,100 all of a sudden, the camera slides a little bit to the left, 144 00:09:40,100 --> 00:09:43,420 and there's a little bit of a blurry shadow down the hallway, 145 00:09:43,420 --> 00:09:47,800 and you see the person kind of looking a little there's really 146 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:48,760 aware of those things. 147 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:53,500 So what? What do you think that? Do you think Hank senior was he 148 00:09:53,500 --> 00:09:57,760 not approving of the direction that Hank Jr was going in time? 149 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,560 How do you think that was? I think it 150 00:09:59,560 --> 00:10:03,120 was more. Audrey, I think, really? Yeah, well, see, Audrey, 151 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,800 it was very strange death, because Audrey, it seemed to me 152 00:10:07,860 --> 00:10:10,860 like she was like she had committed suicide. She was about 153 00:10:10,860 --> 00:10:16,140 to lose the house when she was found in it dead. And the room 154 00:10:16,140 --> 00:10:21,380 she died in, which was her bedroom, was always cold, always 155 00:10:21,560 --> 00:10:25,100 it could be the dead of summer, you know, in July, August, when 156 00:10:25,100 --> 00:10:29,900 it's 100 degrees outside, with a 90% humidity, right? And the 157 00:10:29,900 --> 00:10:35,420 room would just stay cold. I mean, freezing cold, but yeah, 158 00:10:35,420 --> 00:10:39,680 she the IRS was going to seize the property the next day. Oh, 159 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:43,240 mercy, yeah, because she had not been paying her property taxes, 160 00:10:43,300 --> 00:10:47,080 yeah, and so I think she was sad. And it's strange because 161 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,980 they also said, you know, because Deb, every now and then, 162 00:10:50,980 --> 00:10:53,980 would have client parties. Where do you have sponsors of the 163 00:10:53,980 --> 00:10:57,340 radio station come party and then hang out in the ballroom? 164 00:10:57,580 --> 00:11:00,360 Several people that went to these parties swore they saw 165 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:05,400 Audrey amongst the party goers. Oh, wow, like she was hanging 166 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:05,700 out. 167 00:11:07,140 --> 00:11:10,980 Now, did other family members tell of stories in that home? 168 00:11:10,980 --> 00:11:14,820 Everybody did. Everybody experienced something. They'd 169 00:11:14,820 --> 00:11:20,040 hear footsteps like because they there was a, there was a part of 170 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,520 the ballroom where you could walk up the it was really, it 171 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,780 was like a submarine staircase, one of those spiral things, 172 00:11:26,780 --> 00:11:31,280 yeah, the spiral staircase that went up to an area where you 173 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,400 could play pool. There was a pool table up, and it was in 174 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:39,080 that area where they heard the footsteps. So, yeah, everybody, 175 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:42,460 everybody got crazy. The only people that didn't really 176 00:11:42,460 --> 00:11:45,580 experience any of course, my dad never believed in this stuff, so 177 00:11:45,580 --> 00:11:50,020 he When did he buy the house? Oh, man, good question. I think 178 00:11:50,020 --> 00:11:52,120 it was around 78 179 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,020 so not so not long after you moved to town. Yeah. 180 00:11:56,020 --> 00:12:00,100 Wasn't that? Yeah? She passed in 75 Yes, she did. 181 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,700 She was only 52 years old. 182 00:12:02,700 --> 00:12:06,900 Yes, drug overdose in general, yeah, yeah, 183 00:12:06,900 --> 00:12:10,800 sad, sad stuff. Do you know the history of the home before they 184 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,880 purchased it? No, so I'm just kind of curious how old the 185 00:12:15,420 --> 00:12:17,160 basic structure of that home is. 186 00:12:17,220 --> 00:12:19,620 And the weird thing was too right where I were the when you 187 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:24,380 went to the attic, which was right off where you played pool, 188 00:12:25,460 --> 00:12:29,900 I found all these canceled checks of Audrey's. Oh, wow. And 189 00:12:29,900 --> 00:12:34,400 I even kept some, some of them. They re they got taken from me. 190 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:39,320 I was moving, and a guy that was helping me move, I think got 191 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,840 those? Oh, yeah, you still have them. No, I don't. I wish I did, 192 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,280 because they, I mean, they, you know, it was to airline, you 193 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:48,820 know, right, 194 00:12:49,299 --> 00:12:54,159 yeah, we've been really cool if you had some Hank senior or Yes, 195 00:12:54,159 --> 00:12:58,419 Hank Jr, autograph, oh yeah, signatures or something, yeah, 196 00:12:58,419 --> 00:13:04,411 yeah, yeah, that I, you know, again, when I had learned that, 197 00:13:05,011 --> 00:13:08,191 you know, your dad had owned that home, at one time, I've 198 00:13:08,191 --> 00:13:11,851 been meaning to ask you, man, were there some interesting 199 00:13:11,851 --> 00:13:15,151 goings on in that house that seemed paranormal, and 200 00:13:15,211 --> 00:13:15,931 apparently there 201 00:13:15,932 --> 00:13:18,212 were, well, there's a lot of strange things that went on 202 00:13:18,212 --> 00:13:20,900 inside the house, so paranormal and normal 203 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,040 or abnormal. Some of them were mine 204 00:13:25,039 --> 00:13:28,939 when they because, whenever they be out of town, you know that's 205 00:13:29,299 --> 00:13:32,839 you talk about, a great way to pick up a girl. Oh, I could have 206 00:13:32,839 --> 00:13:35,899 maybe out in a nightclub and go, Hey, how'd you like see the Hank 207 00:13:35,899 --> 00:13:39,379 Williams house? Oh, I would. Yeah. Okay, let's go for a 208 00:13:39,380 --> 00:13:43,780 midnight swim. Yeah, that's, yeah, you know what? I mean, a 209 00:13:43,780 --> 00:13:45,520 rather unique pickup line. 210 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:50,680 Yes, it is. Let's go home get talk. Oh yeah, baby. Let's go 211 00:13:50,740 --> 00:13:50,920 room 212 00:13:52,900 --> 00:13:54,940 and take a little midnight 213 00:13:54,939 --> 00:13:57,219 swim. Somebody order a pizza. 214 00:13:57,699 --> 00:14:01,379 And that was the cool thing too. Was the this the house had this 215 00:14:01,379 --> 00:14:06,899 bar, and there was this heart, and you could light it up. It 216 00:14:06,899 --> 00:14:11,459 would it lit up and it said Williams in it. And I think she, 217 00:14:11,459 --> 00:14:15,959 I think Tammy Wynette bought the house later on, really, and she 218 00:14:15,959 --> 00:14:21,259 sold that to Randy Travis, who, who owns it now? 219 00:14:21,260 --> 00:14:24,980 I do, yeah, hopefully he still has it. I hope so. 220 00:14:24,980 --> 00:14:26,840 You know, lib man have got it in the divorce. 221 00:14:30,380 --> 00:14:34,760 But yeah, there are so many, as we say, so many historical 222 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,820 events and whatnot that have happened in this part of the 223 00:14:37,820 --> 00:14:42,040 country. And I guess, gosh, everywhere in the country has 224 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:46,180 got its share of of tragic events that have taken place, 225 00:14:46,180 --> 00:14:50,860 whether they be battles, wars or what have you I, my wife and I 226 00:14:50,860 --> 00:14:54,520 used to live in a home in Gallatin that was an older home. 227 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:59,260 I think the original structure is from like the 40s or 50s, and 228 00:14:59,260 --> 00:15:04,680 it had been re. Done over the years, and we used to experience 229 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:09,660 interesting things that would happen, there voices and such. 230 00:15:10,020 --> 00:15:17,040 And there was one very real incident that happened while my 231 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,480 wife and I are just kind of laying in bed one morning, you 232 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,960 know, we just kind of groggy and had just awakened. And, you 233 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,300 know, it may have been like a Sunday morning or Sunday we're 234 00:15:26,300 --> 00:15:31,760 just kind of laying there, and out of the blue, we hear on the 235 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:35,300 wall, there's a bedroom next to us on the wall, and a child's 236 00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:42,880 voice say, Mom, mom, and my wife and I look at each other, and 237 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:49,120 I'm like, did you hear that? She goes, I heard that. Well, our 238 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:53,620 kids were not home at the time. Wow. You know, we did have a 239 00:15:53,620 --> 00:15:56,320 daughter that was our daughter's room, that was on the other 240 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,100 side, but she wasn't she wasn't home. Our son was not there 241 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,080 either. They were off at my parents house. They were 242 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,620 spending the summer in the Houston area when, you know, 243 00:16:07,620 --> 00:16:12,180 their grandparents at the time. So, but we had experienced 244 00:16:12,180 --> 00:16:16,560 things like that quite a bit. There was a cat that that we 245 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:23,300 would see in the home. It would just be, you know, kind of the 246 00:16:23,300 --> 00:16:26,300 thing where you would see stuff out of the corner of your eye, 247 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:29,960 yes, and then when you are become aware of it, and you try 248 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:34,940 to focus in on it, that's when it disappears. But we would see 249 00:16:34,940 --> 00:16:39,380 this cat in the home quite a bit, and my wife actually claims 250 00:16:39,380 --> 00:16:46,300 to have pet this ghost cat, if you will, that she saw the blur 251 00:16:46,300 --> 00:16:50,740 and put her hand down, and the cat rubbed its back on on her 252 00:16:50,740 --> 00:16:56,500 hand. Wow. So, yeah, there was certainly something going on in 253 00:16:56,500 --> 00:17:00,280 that home, but it was, it was not ominous, you know, it was 254 00:17:00,460 --> 00:17:03,480 everybody, not everybody, but most people. You know, you watch 255 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:08,100 these, all these goofy shows on TV, paranormal stuff, and 256 00:17:08,100 --> 00:17:13,740 everybody freaks out. And every ghost or spirit is a demon, 257 00:17:13,740 --> 00:17:16,860 yeah, they're malicious, yeah, they're all demons. Yes. You 258 00:17:16,860 --> 00:17:20,420 know, whatever was in our in that home was certainly didn't 259 00:17:20,420 --> 00:17:25,460 come across as demonic. However, my wife and me too, I mean, 260 00:17:25,460 --> 00:17:29,180 we're kind of intrigued by all this kind of stuff, you know, 261 00:17:29,180 --> 00:17:34,100 paranormal and whatnot. A number of years ago, my wife and I, we 262 00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:37,340 try to go on a trip for our anniversary every year. We 263 00:17:37,340 --> 00:17:40,420 haven't been able to do it every year, but here, a couple of 264 00:17:40,420 --> 00:17:47,860 years ago, I planned a an anniversary trip to Arizona. We 265 00:17:47,860 --> 00:17:51,280 had been to the Grand Canyon a couple of times, and there's a 266 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,120 story I'll tell one day about why the Grand Canyon is is kind 267 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:58,660 of an inside joke between she and I, but anyway, we went and 268 00:17:58,660 --> 00:18:04,200 visited Arizona, and I had kind of set it up as this haunted 269 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,460 hotel tour, yeah. So I booked us into, you know, I researched it 270 00:18:08,460 --> 00:18:12,060 and all, and booked us into these hotels that are deemed to 271 00:18:12,060 --> 00:18:17,520 be full of all this paranormal activity. So we had stayed at a 272 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:22,340 number of different places, uh, hotel in Prescott, Arizona, 273 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:30,320 another in some other cities, kind of small towns, also in 274 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:35,720 Phoenix proper, Phoenix Arizona, we stayed at an old hotel 275 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:40,600 downtown, but the hotel, and I forget the name of it, but the 276 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,800 hotel we stayed at in Prescott, Arizona. And I had been to 277 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,980 Prescott before, when I was producing concerts way back 278 00:18:47,980 --> 00:18:51,100 when, and just stayed at a regular place, but I was always 279 00:18:51,100 --> 00:18:54,880 intrigued Prescott downtown. I mean, it's just, it's a cool old 280 00:18:54,880 --> 00:19:01,260 town, a cool old western town, but we stayed at this hotel, and 281 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:06,060 while there, you know, I went into these places not expecting 282 00:19:06,060 --> 00:19:09,960 anything, right? So it wasn't like I was, you know, laying 283 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,900 there awake, just waiting for something to happen. You know, 284 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,920 it's like, yeah, you know, just kind of kind of forgot about it 285 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,900 in one respect. But I remember being awakened in the middle of 286 00:19:20,900 --> 00:19:25,940 the night on one of the nights we stayed there, and somebody is 287 00:19:25,940 --> 00:19:32,540 choking me. I am being choked weird, and there is a pressure 288 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:37,760 on my chest. Now, I had learned that the room we stayed in, 289 00:19:37,820 --> 00:19:43,000 reportedly, was a room where a of course, all these places were 290 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:48,940 brothels at one time or another. But reportedly this room, a 291 00:19:48,940 --> 00:19:55,780 prostitute was murdered in this room and thrown out the window 292 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:03,540 of this room, and there had been. Stories about how men have 293 00:20:03,540 --> 00:20:12,540 been attacked in this room, reportedly by this pissed off 294 00:20:12,540 --> 00:20:15,300 prostitute that hates men because Yeah, 295 00:20:15,540 --> 00:20:18,780 her yeah, she's into a weird kink. 296 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:28,100 Perhaps, you know, I know it wasn't my wife. Okay, that much. 297 00:20:28,100 --> 00:20:31,340 I know. Are you sure I 298 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,940 met your wife? I wouldn't put it faster. 299 00:20:37,940 --> 00:20:41,140 Yeah, she's been, she's been the world's greatest wife, but 300 00:20:43,300 --> 00:20:49,360 anyway. But yeah, the word kink and my wife not in the same 301 00:20:49,360 --> 00:20:52,180 sentence, unfortunately, but, 302 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,540 but anyway, and 303 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:05,160 there's like, I like, What in the hell is going on? So that, 304 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:11,880 that I did experience that in in one of the places we stayed, one 305 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,060 of the other places we stayed was, as I mentioned, this old 306 00:21:15,060 --> 00:21:20,600 hotel downtown Phoenix. I think it was called The San Carlo, or 307 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:25,640 something to that effect. That, again, reportedly haunted. Yeah. 308 00:21:26,300 --> 00:21:30,200 And the only thing that happened to me there I was, I was awake, 309 00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:33,620 but I remember I was like, I think I was looking at my phone 310 00:21:33,620 --> 00:21:36,380 or something, just kind of laying on my side on the bed, 311 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:43,300 and I felt somebody tapped me on the shoulder pretty hard. Wow, 312 00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:46,720 you know, my wife's on the other side. I see her, yeah, you know. 313 00:21:46,780 --> 00:21:50,680 And I, you know, it startles you. I mean, it didn't scare me, 314 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,880 yeah, but It startled me. It's like, what in the hell, you 315 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:59,320 know? I mean, somebody you know, didn't hear anything, but, but 316 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,000 was, was tapped on the shoulder. And we stayed in a couple of 317 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,780 other places where I don't really recall much of anything 318 00:22:06,780 --> 00:22:11,700 kind of scary happening, but those, again, were some 319 00:22:11,700 --> 00:22:16,620 experiences on that trip that that certainly, you know, the 320 00:22:16,620 --> 00:22:21,020 one about, you know, being joking, yeah, that's terrifying. 321 00:22:21,140 --> 00:22:25,700 Yeah, that was like, What in the hell is this? You know, you're 322 00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:28,520 actually gasping for breath and everything, really, yeah, well, 323 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:34,400 and I again, how did it, how did it stop? You know, at first I 324 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,640 thought, Well, again, I was away. You know, am I dreaming? 325 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:48,340 No, you know, when I when I became aware, I started, well, I 326 00:22:48,340 --> 00:22:52,060 wasn't screaming, but I was making a noise that woke my wife 327 00:22:52,060 --> 00:22:56,980 up, and it's like when she awoke, that's when it stopped. 328 00:22:58,180 --> 00:23:06,420 So I wake I'm out, yeah, yeah, it was, it was certainly a 329 00:23:06,420 --> 00:23:09,900 sterile and as I said, I went into the whole experience not 330 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,440 expecting anything, right? You know, so well. 331 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,680 It's kind of like, you know, when we had Gary Gentry on, the 332 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:22,160 songwriter that wrote the ride, you know, he's told us that in 333 00:23:22,460 --> 00:23:25,040 the story of him writing that song, that he was trying to 334 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,360 summon Hank Williams, right? He had done the candles that, yeah, 335 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:32,600 and he said he actually appeared. And what was he 336 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,700 saying? He said he was shirtless, right? 337 00:23:34,820 --> 00:23:39,020 Had a fedora on, no shirt, in a chair, smoking a cigarette. 338 00:23:39,020 --> 00:23:39,320 Yeah? 339 00:23:39,860 --> 00:23:43,420 And that sounds plausible, because I could see Hank 340 00:23:43,420 --> 00:23:46,480 Williams that way, you know, right? 341 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,560 Yeah, that was such a cool story that he told. 342 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,200 Well, the whole thing with that song, because there were always 343 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,720 so many weird things that happened with that song was when 344 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,840 Gary, you know, performed it at the opry land, at the Opryland 345 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,920 hotel and the opry Yeah, and it was on the opry land complex 346 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,220 that, when he got to the point in the song where Hank 347 00:24:08,220 --> 00:24:12,180 identifies himself, all the power went out all across the 348 00:24:12,180 --> 00:24:12,780 complex. 349 00:24:12,780 --> 00:24:15,900 Made the Tennessean. Yeah, it did that story, making the 350 00:24:15,900 --> 00:24:16,680 Tennessean. 351 00:24:16,740 --> 00:24:21,200 And from the story, I heard that David Allen co read that story 352 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,820 and said, I got to record this. 353 00:24:23,120 --> 00:24:26,840 Well, you know, again, circling back to the Hank Williams home, 354 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,080 Gary tells the story about how he actually, when he was like 355 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:34,880 1213, years old, went there and it got the tour of the house 356 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,040 from from Audrey Williams. 357 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,900 In fact, that's where he got the payoff line in the song, when he 358 00:24:40,900 --> 00:24:44,380 says you don't have to call me Hank. No, you don't have to call 359 00:24:44,380 --> 00:24:46,540 me Mr. Mr. The whole world call me Hank. 360 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,440 Yeah, that is that Audrey told him that. Yeah. Tuck that line 361 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,020 away in his brain for about 30 years. 362 00:24:53,020 --> 00:24:56,740 That's a good song, right there? Yes, it is. But, yeah, there 363 00:24:56,740 --> 00:25:00,720 have been a lot of ghost stories as far as coming. Country music 364 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:06,060 goes, and we've heard them all. In fact, there was an office 365 00:25:06,060 --> 00:25:14,640 building. It's 1111, was it 17th or 16th? But the Jim Halsey 366 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:19,320 company used to be there, and there was another office 367 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:25,640 building there, and they had all kinds of strange happenings, 368 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,720 like they would go in and papers would be just strewn all about 369 00:25:30,380 --> 00:25:35,300 the offices, or, you know, doors would be magically open that 370 00:25:35,300 --> 00:25:39,680 were locked. And it turned out that there was a family that 371 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,600 lived there. It was a father, and he had a couple of daughters 372 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,260 that apparently weren't that. Mean they were rich, but the 373 00:25:47,260 --> 00:25:50,680 daughters weren't beautiful. They were they were kind of 374 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,340 homely, and they didn't get invited to parties and such. So 375 00:25:54,340 --> 00:25:59,320 they were kind of home bodies, and they think it was the ghost 376 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:05,580 of these girls that was causing so many problems at 1111 So, 377 00:26:05,580 --> 00:26:07,500 yeah, that's strange stuff. 378 00:26:07,739 --> 00:26:11,879 Now, you know Music Row is, well, like all of Nashville has 379 00:26:11,879 --> 00:26:15,239 changed so much since you and I first arrived. You got here 380 00:26:15,239 --> 00:26:18,959 about 10 years before I did. But you know, all the Music Row, it 381 00:26:19,139 --> 00:26:22,219 was old homes, yes, and that's the reason that they started 382 00:26:22,219 --> 00:26:25,339 recording there. You know, the publishing industry started 383 00:26:25,339 --> 00:26:29,239 there first. Yes. But they started recording because it was 384 00:26:29,239 --> 00:26:32,479 a quiet neighborhood, yeah, you know. And now so many of those 385 00:26:32,479 --> 00:26:35,359 old home, you know, they're below stuff and putting up all 386 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,619 these old, ugly buildings 387 00:26:36,620 --> 00:26:39,560 now, well, they're putting up, you know, they're putting up 388 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,240 condos, apartments, and what? Yeah, I mean, and it's really 389 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,780 sad, because a lot of these buildings have so much history, 390 00:26:46,780 --> 00:26:51,460 too. In fact, it bothered me. I was on the air one day, I wasn't 391 00:26:51,460 --> 00:26:55,060 aware they were going to tear down the sound sound shop, and 392 00:26:55,840 --> 00:27:00,420 that's where Paul McCarthy recorded Sally G and Junior's 393 00:27:00,420 --> 00:27:05,220 farm and and plus Alabama had recorded, I mean, there's so 394 00:27:05,220 --> 00:27:07,980 many people that are recorded there. Yeah, that buddy killing. 395 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,900 Yeah, I was just watching it being just destroyed. And it 396 00:27:12,900 --> 00:27:15,600 just made me sick to my stomach. Hey, that's progress. John, 397 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:16,260 yeah, it is. 398 00:27:17,580 --> 00:27:19,500 It's the new Nashville. Now, 399 00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:22,760 Jim, you before we started this, and one of the things that got 400 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:27,560 us talking about doing this topic is the fact that you claim 401 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:32,420 your your wife has seems to be extra sensitive to rather 402 00:27:32,420 --> 00:27:34,940 interesting event. At least she was, yeah, not 403 00:27:34,940 --> 00:27:38,180 so much ever after we had kids, but yeah, the apartment we lived 404 00:27:38,180 --> 00:27:42,640 in when we first got here was there were some things that 405 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,600 happened in there that were kind of weird and unexplainable and 406 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,000 all that fun stuff, hearing voices outside the bedroom 407 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,900 window. And she literally woke up one night and she heard a 408 00:27:52,900 --> 00:27:55,900 voice saying, Edward. And immediately, the funny thing is, 409 00:27:55,900 --> 00:28:07,320 I think Edward Van Halen. Is he playing guitar? And she goes. It 410 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,260 was clear as a bell, like, is anybody standing out the window? 411 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,560 So I get out of bed, I opened up the shade, and nobody's there. I 412 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,440 said, you know, okay, are you having she's like, Yeah, I guess 413 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,860 I am. And there were a couple of other instances, like, she would 414 00:28:19,860 --> 00:28:23,000 be brushing her teeth and, you know, rinse out and everything, 415 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,820 and look up and there'd be something standing behind her in 416 00:28:25,820 --> 00:28:32,840 the mirror. There were like we had dogs, and a black light that 417 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,180 came along with the dogs that whenever we thought that they 418 00:28:35,180 --> 00:28:38,840 might have peed or pooped in the owl peed mainly poop you could 419 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:46,360 generally find but we would take a black and light out and find 420 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,300 out where the dogs peed, and, you know, act accordingly and 421 00:28:49,300 --> 00:28:52,480 punish them or whatever. But there was like, a large pool of 422 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,960 something underneath our kitchen table, in the kitchen area, and 423 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:01,500 drag marks going to the bathroom. It was like, you know, 424 00:29:01,500 --> 00:29:04,080 the first thing that crosses my mind, I'm like, Really, you 425 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,340 couldn't change the damn carpet. If this was a murder scene, was 426 00:29:08,340 --> 00:29:10,920 a crime scene, you know what? I mean, you clean the carpet 427 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,280 really, you know, unless you know something to seep through 428 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,980 the new carpet. But that was, yeah, I mean, it was 429 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:21,440 so many people think that structures have got to be old 430 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,660 and historic before some sort of perceived paranormal activity 431 00:29:26,660 --> 00:29:30,560 can occur. But, yeah, it's, you hear stories quite often of 432 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:35,060 newer places that that have something going on, and they 433 00:29:35,060 --> 00:29:38,000 build them on Indian burial ground. Yeah, that. Or, as we 434 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,280 were mentioning before, on the old battlefields and whatnot. I 435 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:47,860 mean, you know, but we, we see these stories of, you know, on 436 00:29:47,860 --> 00:29:52,000 TV about, oh gosh, the subdivision was built on, you 437 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,200 know, an old cemetery, or what have you over the I mean, what? 438 00:29:56,260 --> 00:30:02,100 What ground does not have problems. Probably buried 439 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,640 something. I mean, yeah, you know, especially back in the 440 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,460 days when people would bury family members on their 441 00:30:08,460 --> 00:30:09,000 property. 442 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,900 Oh, sure. And, you know, you can still do that in Tennessee. Did 443 00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:16,740 you know you can bury? I mean, you can bury. You can be, if you 444 00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:19,560 want to be buried on your property, you can, yeah, as long 445 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,320 as they it's a certain debt. 446 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:27,980 Oh, man, I would, boy. I with my HOA. I'd love to do, you know, I 447 00:30:27,980 --> 00:30:30,380 would love to just, yeah, okay, I'm gonna, 448 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,280 yeah, I've asked my wife to do that for me on our property. 449 00:30:34,339 --> 00:30:36,919 Yeah, so that's where me by the bamboo. You're gonna, that's 450 00:30:36,919 --> 00:30:37,459 where you gonna 451 00:30:37,460 --> 00:30:38,600 end up. Yeah, that's where I want. 452 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,880 You can always ask the HOA to prove it. Yeah, fresh dirt right 453 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:43,540 there. Okay, 454 00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:49,540 aware of that, because someone 455 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:56,020 that I knew said they're burying their uncle on their farm. And I 456 00:30:56,020 --> 00:30:59,560 went, you can do that? And they said, Yeah, Tennessee, it's 457 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,760 legal, yeah, as long as you follow certain guidelines. 458 00:31:03,479 --> 00:31:07,859 Oh, how neat. I'm sure. Yeah, there's a permit involved, I'm 459 00:31:07,919 --> 00:31:08,099 sure. 460 00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:10,740 Well, sure, of course. You know, the government has to find a way 461 00:31:10,740 --> 00:31:14,400 to tax everything. Oh, yeah, get money out of you somehow. It's 462 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,460 funny, because growing up in the northeast, in Connecticut, you'd 463 00:31:17,460 --> 00:31:21,500 think, because that was so connected to the Revolutionary 464 00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:23,480 War and the founding of the country? Yeah, you know, the 465 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,900 Connecticut is known as the Constitution state, but not many 466 00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:29,780 stories that I remember hearing growing up, a few here and 467 00:31:29,780 --> 00:31:33,800 there, but nothing like down here. Yeah, you know, because I 468 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,800 wonder if it's like still fresh in the memory of the country and 469 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,640 still, you know, relatively recent. You know, the 470 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:45,400 Revolutionary War being 250, years ago this year, yeah, or at 471 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,120 least the start of it. So it was really interesting. I thought 472 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,520 about that. I'm like, I didn't really hear too many haunting 473 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:55,060 stories in where we grew up. Yeah, you'd think that there 474 00:31:55,060 --> 00:31:58,120 would be, because it was a, you know, another bloody war, 475 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:03,420 apparently, because I've done a lot of you know reading on the 476 00:32:03,420 --> 00:32:08,100 paranormal, and they say that one of the states that there are 477 00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:13,260 more hauntings than any is my home state of Kansas. They said, 478 00:32:13,260 --> 00:32:18,900 for some reason, there are a lot of instances and stories of 479 00:32:19,380 --> 00:32:22,940 hauntings, and the majority of them come from that state. 480 00:32:23,300 --> 00:32:28,580 Do you think they involve just a lot of pioneers that were, you 481 00:32:28,580 --> 00:32:34,340 know, heading west, that suffered, you know, weathers or 482 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,400 what have you, yeah, getting stuck in the weather there, in 483 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,100 the weather in Kansas is horrible, you know, in Native 484 00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:45,820 American skirmishes that perhaps may have occurred there. You 485 00:32:45,820 --> 00:32:48,940 know, I lived in South Carolina for a number of years, and 486 00:32:48,940 --> 00:32:52,540 that's a state that has experienced not only the Civil 487 00:32:52,540 --> 00:32:56,380 War, but the Revolutionary War. You know, as evidence that the 488 00:32:56,380 --> 00:33:00,780 motion picture of the Patriot with Mel Gibson, that's about 489 00:33:00,780 --> 00:33:04,380 great, yeah, it is. That's about the Revolutionary War, and it is 490 00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:09,000 set in South Carolina, yeah, you know, so certainly a lot of 491 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,980 things happening there Charleston. You know, I grew up 492 00:33:10,980 --> 00:33:15,060 in New Orleans. I mean, those two cities are certainly known 493 00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:18,720 for their their hauntings, New Orleans, especially New Orleans, 494 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:23,780 yeah. But you know, Charleston also has a dark past when it 495 00:33:23,780 --> 00:33:28,220 comes to the slave trade. Certainly the same with New 496 00:33:28,220 --> 00:33:35,000 Orleans. You know, good grief you had there on the the banks 497 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:40,480 of the Mississippi, you know, the the slave market there in 498 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,720 New Orleans. Well, yeah, that then you also have voodoo, all 499 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,160 that stuff, which is still being practiced in Louisiana, you 500 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:53,920 know, I mean, we had visited the grave site of Marie Laveau. It 501 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,760 is now closed off that cemetery because they just had so many 502 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:03,060 people going in there. I bet they have now closed it off that 503 00:34:03,060 --> 00:34:07,140 cemetery, you can still visit, but I think now it's part of a 504 00:34:07,140 --> 00:34:10,080 tour that you have to pay money and all that before you could 505 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,880 just go in the cemetery and and look at all that stuff. There's 506 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:19,140 some ex mayors, I think maybe even Louis Armstrong's buried 507 00:34:19,140 --> 00:34:24,500 there. But anyway, that Marie Laveau grave, people would leave 508 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:31,340 pennies money, you know, cross, I mean, it had just a bunch of 509 00:34:31,580 --> 00:34:35,480 stuff. I bet people pile on this. And of course, New 510 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,600 Orleans, you know, people are buried above ground because of 511 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,340 the water table, right? You know, you bury them underground, 512 00:34:42,340 --> 00:34:46,420 and the graves, the graves, the caskets, pop up out of the 513 00:34:46,420 --> 00:34:50,440 ground. Oh, sure that, yeah, so the above ground crypt. So yeah, 514 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,940 people would, well, frankly, I know they were trying to honor 515 00:34:54,940 --> 00:34:57,580 or do whatever they think they're doing to the to the 516 00:34:57,580 --> 00:35:02,160 grave site, but it's vandalized. Is what it ultimately is, you 517 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,980 know, with all the stuff that was happening to it, see, that's 518 00:35:04,980 --> 00:35:07,440 why I don't understand that about people, because I've seen 519 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,300 it with a lot of celebrities, that people will just leave all 520 00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:17,880 kinds of crap all over there. I mean, why just visit the grave? 521 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:18,540 That's all you have 522 00:35:18,540 --> 00:35:21,500 to do, yeah, show some kind of respect. Well, it 523 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,500 was like with Leonard Skinner, they said they're always leaving 524 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:30,320 beer cans, you know, right, right, like they didn't get 525 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,340 enough of that in life, 526 00:35:32,660 --> 00:35:35,300 trying to move on from that, guys. Thanks. 527 00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:41,080 You'd mentioned Kansas being one of the most haunted states, 528 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,020 yeah, and it got me thinking about the concept of ley lines. 529 00:35:44,020 --> 00:35:46,840 You ever hear of ley lines? No, no. They talk about it in 530 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,700 Ghostbusters and all sorts of different 531 00:35:48,700 --> 00:35:52,300 you know what? I've never seen Ghostbusters. You have not. I 532 00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:55,360 know I get that like, that's the expression I get from everybody 533 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,960 I tell that to, yeah, I've never seen that anyway. I'm sorry, an 534 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,620 American, I'm sorry, Jim, I didn't sorry to interrupt you. 535 00:36:02,220 --> 00:36:05,520 You've never seen the guy. No, never seen that. No, no, i The 536 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,760 Godfather. Oh, my favorite film. But anyway, you were mentioning, 537 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:08,880 I'm 538 00:36:08,879 --> 00:36:13,199 sorry, yes. So the theory goes that on these ley lines that go 539 00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:16,199 criss cross the Earth, it tends to be a lot of supernatural. 540 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,900 Okay, I didn't real. I know what you're speaking of, but I didn't 541 00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:19,920 realize that was the term 542 00:36:19,919 --> 00:36:22,759 for it. And it seems like a lot of them run through the Topeka 543 00:36:22,759 --> 00:36:27,919 area. Yeah, you know, as well as for a little while, there's a 544 00:36:27,919 --> 00:36:32,599 major crossing in Nashville, there's a major northwest 545 00:36:32,659 --> 00:36:36,919 Arkansas is a huge culmination of intersecting lines. And of 546 00:36:36,919 --> 00:36:39,619 course, New York City and their their claim is that they all run 547 00:36:39,619 --> 00:36:43,599 through the capital cities of every state. So, New Orleans, 548 00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:46,059 surprisingly, not nothing runs through. What's Baton Rouge? 549 00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:48,220 You know, Baton Rouge is the capital there. You know, 550 00:36:48,220 --> 00:36:52,120 Columbia, South Carolina is the capital there. I mean, are these 551 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:56,620 the lines that run through, like where stone hinges and something 552 00:36:56,620 --> 00:37:03,240 like that? Yeah, and the same thing down the pyramids, yeah, 553 00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:07,860 the Mayan, Mayan ruins and whatnot. Yeah, that's an 554 00:37:07,860 --> 00:37:09,960 interesting theory. Yeah, it is. It is 555 00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:14,100 interesting. But who knows? Well, I tend 556 00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:17,640 to believe in the paranormal. I do believe there are spirits 557 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:17,880 that 558 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,800 it makes me wonder. Like, you know, my father, he passed away 559 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:27,620 in no six, as we talked about. And my brother, he went and saw 560 00:37:27,620 --> 00:37:31,520 a psychic afterwards, and she goes, Oh, this is probably, I 561 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,700 guess this is what this man here has been waiting for, for you to 562 00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:38,900 come in. My brother was, course, like, okay, you know, she went 563 00:37:38,900 --> 00:37:41,020 into the whole thing. I don't remember the specifics of it, 564 00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:46,660 but he ended up having a dream about our father sitting at the 565 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:52,000 patio at the last house he lived in in Florida. And he says 566 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,820 everything in the house like everything they thought was like 567 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,780 paradise had kind of grown overgrown and moldy, and the 568 00:37:58,780 --> 00:38:01,980 swimming pool was not usable, and everything is just dad was, 569 00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:05,700 like, his 33 year old self, like, what we remember, remember 570 00:38:05,700 --> 00:38:08,340 from pictures, yeah, and he says, off in the distance, like 571 00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:13,080 across the river was a bright light. He says, In the dream, I 572 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:18,300 was like, Well, Dad, why don't you just go, go to the light? 573 00:38:19,140 --> 00:38:23,060 And he says, and exactly how you'd imagine him saying this in 574 00:38:23,060 --> 00:38:29,480 dad fashion. He says, I don't wanna, you know, he wasn't ready 575 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,880 yet. Yeah, you know. And it's like, you gotta wonder. It's 576 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,360 like all these things that these witness testimonies and accounts 577 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,140 that we hear, and all these different phenomena that seems 578 00:38:39,140 --> 00:38:43,240 to happen. What's the deal? Man? Like, all of a sudden it's like, 579 00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:46,780 if you it happens, you die, you cross over. Oh, you know. And I 580 00:38:46,780 --> 00:38:51,040 was like, Hey, before you go to the next thing, do you want to 581 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:57,280 screw with anybody before you go? You got three tickets. You 582 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,440 want to you want to say a final goodbye? Because, I mean, my 583 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:06,720 Courtney's aunt, Courtney's uncle had a long bout with, I 584 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,660 want to say, I think it was lung cancer, and towards the end of 585 00:39:09,660 --> 00:39:12,060 his life, he was, like, very short of breath. But, you know, 586 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,720 and he always told her, he says, you know, when I go, I'm gonna 587 00:39:15,720 --> 00:39:17,940 make sure that you know it, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna blow on 588 00:39:17,940 --> 00:39:21,200 your neck, like on the back of her neck, yeah. And so wouldn't 589 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,080 you believe she's like, you know, as soon as the hospice 590 00:39:24,140 --> 00:39:26,600 people said that he had passed, I was sitting on the couch, and 591 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,740 I felt someone come up behind me and go, Wow. And she says it was 592 00:39:30,740 --> 00:39:34,220 like he said he would do and he just knew he'd be able to do 593 00:39:34,220 --> 00:39:37,220 that. Yeah? So, I mean, Courtney could tell you some story. She 594 00:39:37,220 --> 00:39:40,720 was a hospice nurse, a home health aide for hospice, yeah, I 595 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:45,820 can imagine. So she's, I mean, when we were dating, this is her 596 00:39:45,820 --> 00:39:50,380 intuition. We're hanging out watching TV, and she just kind 597 00:39:50,380 --> 00:39:52,060 of sits up and she goes, I gotta go. 598 00:39:53,019 --> 00:39:56,139 I'm going, Yeah, what'd I say? What did I do? 599 00:39:56,140 --> 00:39:59,680 Yeah, pretty sure. I put on deodorant, yeah, I took a 600 00:39:59,680 --> 00:39:59,920 shower. 601 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,720 Yeah, I haven't passed when lately, not yet. Yeah, right. 602 00:40:04,980 --> 00:40:07,320 She's like, one of my patients is gonna die tonight, and 603 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,080 they're gonna die alone. I don't want them to be alone. Wow. 604 00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:17,280 Okay, look, dude, if this isn't working out, just just be 605 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,560 upfront. She's like, No, no, I'm serious. I'm serious. Okay, next 606 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:27,560 morning call her up and said, So, how was your night? Yeah, he 607 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,020 passed at 230 really? 608 00:40:30,859 --> 00:40:39,919 Wow. Well, I had a experience and with my mother. Don't want 609 00:40:39,919 --> 00:40:43,959 to get too emotional about it. But this, my mom passed on 610 00:40:44,799 --> 00:40:47,739 September 11 of 20, 2015 611 00:40:48,340 --> 00:40:49,780 my dad was September 11. 612 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,880 Wow, yeah, I think we, I think we share that with they really 613 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,960 want us to remember them, yeah, I suppose. But on the night of 614 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:04,380 September 10, I'm kind of awakened at night with somebody 615 00:41:04,380 --> 00:41:13,980 holding my hand, and it's not my wife and I had the sense that it 616 00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:19,320 was my mom who was suffering from she suffered from leukemia 617 00:41:19,380 --> 00:41:23,960 For a number of years. But after my dad passed, she stuck around 618 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,560 for another four years, but finally quit taking the chemo 619 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:33,680 and all she just had it. She was ready to go. But anyway, the 620 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:39,500 night of the 10th, I feel my mom's presence, holding my hand, 621 00:41:39,860 --> 00:41:50,260 asking my permission to die. Wow. And, you know, and I, and I 622 00:41:50,260 --> 00:41:55,720 was like, yes, go, you know, she was, she was suffering. I'm 623 00:41:55,720 --> 00:42:00,648 like, go, go be with your husband. You know, yeah, I tell 624 00:42:00,648 --> 00:42:03,948 people this, and I get the eye roll, but I'm telling you, it 625 00:42:03,948 --> 00:42:10,008 happened the next morning. I'm on air in Charleston, South 626 00:42:10,008 --> 00:42:15,408 Carolina. My cousin was staying with my mom. My mom did the host 627 00:42:15,408 --> 00:42:19,548 the home hospice thing. She wasn't going to go to any any 628 00:42:19,548 --> 00:42:24,560 facility, so they had her in a hospital bed in the living room, 629 00:42:24,740 --> 00:42:29,840 you know. But my cousin, again, was staying with my mother, and 630 00:42:30,620 --> 00:42:34,520 I got a text while I'm on air from my cousin saying that my 631 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:41,740 mom had passed that morning, you know. And it, it was, it was a 632 00:42:41,740 --> 00:42:47,320 relief in one respect, right? You know, you know, no matter. 633 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:52,300 But having said that, I mean, no matter how much you prepare for 634 00:42:52,420 --> 00:42:56,020 a parent's passing, if they're if they're ill, if they're sick, 635 00:42:56,020 --> 00:43:02,100 if they're dying, you know, it's still, still not easy. No, but, 636 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,980 but, yeah, I, I, I believe that with all my heart and soul that 637 00:43:07,980 --> 00:43:10,260 I experienced that the night before. 638 00:43:10,500 --> 00:43:14,580 I don't doubt it. You know, I remember when my father passed, 639 00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,520 you know, he was at my sister's home. What would usually happen? 640 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,360 Because I never used to go into my sister's home because I'm 641 00:43:23,900 --> 00:43:28,100 I've got a real bad allergy to pet dander, and my sister had 642 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,740 dogs cats. She had menizer. 643 00:43:32,180 --> 00:43:34,940 And dad was supposed to come to our house later, 644 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,340 and I remember that 645 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,040 my wife at the time and I were going to go to a friend's house 646 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,080 before dad came over later that night, and we were getting ready 647 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,200 to go. And something in me, I don't know what caused me to do 648 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,740 this, but I looked at her and I went, you know, my dad's 80 649 00:43:53,740 --> 00:43:57,400 years old. I said, I don't know how much time he's got left. I 650 00:43:57,460 --> 00:44:01,260 said, Would you mind if I didn't go today? I'm thinking about 651 00:44:01,260 --> 00:44:06,360 going to my sister's house. And she said, not a problem. Said, 652 00:44:07,020 --> 00:44:10,140 Are you sure you want to go to your sisters with I said, I'll 653 00:44:10,140 --> 00:44:13,860 put up with it. I'll go outside, whatever. Take a few breaks 654 00:44:13,860 --> 00:44:18,540 outside. But I said, I never know. I said, he's 80 man. He 655 00:44:18,540 --> 00:44:23,960 should go at any time. And that day he did pass away when I went 656 00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:24,440 over to 657 00:44:24,740 --> 00:44:28,700 the right. And you know, in our father's episode, you shared 658 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,800 somewhat of that story, sure how you had kind of a real heart to 659 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,080 heart shortly before he passed, yeah, 10 660 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,740 minutes before he passed, we we had a real heart. And he said 661 00:44:39,740 --> 00:44:43,360 something has stuck with me ever since he goes, son, you've got 662 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,200 to you've got to really appreciate the time you have, 663 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,260 because you never and those around you, because you never 664 00:44:50,260 --> 00:44:54,760 know when your time's up. And that's 10 minutes later he's 665 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:55,060 gone, 666 00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,660 yeah, you know. And no matter what age you are, you know. 667 00:44:58,720 --> 00:44:59,740 Yeah, it. 668 00:45:01,116 --> 00:45:03,936 It could be, could be your time. You know 669 00:45:04,176 --> 00:45:06,696 exactly, we passed the anniversary of our death every 670 00:45:06,696 --> 00:45:06,996 year. 671 00:45:08,076 --> 00:45:10,836 This is true. I thought of that as well. Doesn't that bake your 672 00:45:10,836 --> 00:45:15,936 brain? I know, man, I have looked at calendars many times 673 00:45:15,936 --> 00:45:18,516 and thought something along those, one of 674 00:45:18,515 --> 00:45:20,779 these 365, days is right? 675 00:45:20,780 --> 00:45:24,920 Yeah, exactly. Well, I mean, it was like I lost my very best 676 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:29,000 friend recently, Dave White, who I've talked about a lot on this 677 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:35,660 show. Maybe we'll dedicate this show to him. But then that one 678 00:45:35,660 --> 00:45:39,800 took me by surprise, because it was just before Christmas of 679 00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,140 last year, and I was at the house, I was listening to some 680 00:45:44,140 --> 00:45:48,640 music, and I noticed my phone ringing, and it was Dave's 681 00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,880 number. I'm thinking it's Dave, and I'm thinking, well, he's 682 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,180 calling kind of early. Hey, buddy, what's up? And all of a 683 00:45:55,180 --> 00:45:58,540 sudden his wife comes on, and I knew something was wrong. I 684 00:45:58,540 --> 00:46:01,740 said, What's what's happened? What's wrong? And that's when 685 00:46:01,740 --> 00:46:03,840 she told me, said he passed away last night. 686 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,860 Gosh, you talk about just ripping your heart out? 687 00:46:07,859 --> 00:46:12,779 Man, yeah, yeah, I had a similar experience with a guy that I, 688 00:46:12,899 --> 00:46:15,959 even though I'm radio for quite some time, I still looked upon 689 00:46:15,959 --> 00:46:22,339 him as a mentor there in Charleston, South Carolina radio 690 00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:26,959 guy, play by play legendaries in the South Carolina the well, the 691 00:46:27,499 --> 00:46:30,979 Charleston Radio Hall of Fame in the South Carolina one as well, 692 00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:35,899 the Sports Hall of Fame was a play by play guy, and just radio 693 00:46:35,899 --> 00:46:42,159 man in Charleston and South Carolina for years. And he had 694 00:46:43,059 --> 00:46:46,059 been battling cancer and whatnot, but man was in 695 00:46:46,059 --> 00:46:50,859 remission, had fought through it, and was driving home from a 696 00:46:50,859 --> 00:46:58,359 party, had a heart attack, hit a tree and and died driving and 697 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:05,279 and you know that that hit me so hard. And there are times when 698 00:47:05,879 --> 00:47:11,579 later on at that radio station, I would see him there, wow, 699 00:47:11,579 --> 00:47:16,439 after he had passed, which made total sense, because the guy 700 00:47:16,439 --> 00:47:21,679 worked at that station for, you know, 20 some odd years, it was 701 00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:25,999 the flagship for the Citadel, the college there, you know, the 702 00:47:25,999 --> 00:47:32,119 Citadel Sports Network, which I was a part of as well. So yeah, 703 00:47:32,179 --> 00:47:36,919 again, I would see things in that radio station and which I 704 00:47:36,919 --> 00:47:39,379 wanted to ask you, have you ever, did you ever experience 705 00:47:39,619 --> 00:47:43,599 anything like that at a station that you worked at where, maybe, 706 00:47:44,019 --> 00:47:48,339 you know, we had Vivi Ray Shipley on on a prior episode, 707 00:47:48,759 --> 00:47:53,559 you know, was part of all the legendary WSM DJs and whatnot 708 00:47:53,919 --> 00:47:57,579 that you know he tells stories about. I can certainly imagine 709 00:47:57,579 --> 00:48:01,679 that, you know, a lot of those guys maybe, maybe popping up at 710 00:48:01,679 --> 00:48:05,699 rate at WSM somewhere, but definitely. But did you ever 711 00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:07,800 experience anything like that? I, you know, I've never 712 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,740 experienced anything like that at rate at radio station. No, 713 00:48:10,740 --> 00:48:15,240 the only thing that weird thing about, you know, Phil Valentine 714 00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:23,000 passing was the night before he passed, I went to the hospital 715 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,780 he was at. I couldn't go up because it was during covid, but 716 00:48:26,780 --> 00:48:32,480 they had a bench outside, and I prayed, you know, I prayed for 717 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,960 him to get better, and I got this feeling of, man, 718 00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,620 everything's gonna be okay. And I even went home to tell my 719 00:48:39,620 --> 00:48:43,240 wife. I said, Man, I think he's gonna be all right. I said, I 720 00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:47,500 got this really weird feeling that just came over me during 721 00:48:47,500 --> 00:48:51,580 that, during praying for him. And then it was the following 722 00:48:51,580 --> 00:48:55,900 day that we got the call that he passed away, and I was so let 723 00:48:55,900 --> 00:48:58,060 down. I thought, Man, why did I get 724 00:48:58,060 --> 00:49:00,660 that feeling? Well, maybe you need to look at it in a 725 00:49:00,660 --> 00:49:03,360 different perspective. Well, it's interesting. You say that 726 00:49:03,420 --> 00:49:05,460 he, he what he is, okay? 727 00:49:05,460 --> 00:49:09,300 Well, that's what a listener as we were, we were basically 728 00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:13,440 telling the audience the next day, that the day passed, we all 729 00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,620 got on the air and paid tribute to him. And I brought that story 730 00:49:16,620 --> 00:49:22,820 up, and a listener called in. It was a woman, and she said, 731 00:49:22,820 --> 00:49:26,480 Johnny, I believe that he was trying to tell you, so I think 732 00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:29,960 it was him and God trying to tell you that everything was 733 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,020 going to be okay. I've been released, and everything is 734 00:49:33,020 --> 00:49:36,020 good. Everything's fine. And I tell you what as good as that 735 00:49:36,020 --> 00:49:40,540 guy lived life. I've met a lot of people on this planet that 736 00:49:41,260 --> 00:49:43,780 you know, you can feel God through them, or, you know, 737 00:49:43,780 --> 00:49:46,780 there's a goodness, but I guarantee you that guy's bags 738 00:49:46,780 --> 00:49:50,980 were packed. I know where he's at, you know, but I what's 739 00:49:50,980 --> 00:49:55,180 really weird about Phil is I, I dream about him a lot, that he's 740 00:49:55,180 --> 00:49:59,200 still alive, that we're doing a show, or, really, yeah, and it's 741 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:05,160 almost. Every night, really, yeah, like Dave, I haven't and 742 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,400 Dave was one of my dearest friends, and I never dream about 743 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,620 him, but for some reason, Phil is in my dreams. 744 00:50:10,620 --> 00:50:15,060 A lot. Do you dream about your dad or mom, for that matter, 745 00:50:15,060 --> 00:50:21,800 but Dad, Dad more than mother. Mothers are strange, because the 746 00:50:21,980 --> 00:50:27,440 one dream of her I can remember is I'm in an airport and I'm 747 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,860 seeing all these faces I'm trying to get to my flight, and 748 00:50:30,860 --> 00:50:34,400 all of a sudden, the last face I see is hers, and she's just 749 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,180 smiling, but she doesn't say anything. I said, Mom, I've been 750 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,620 looking for you for so long. Are you okay? And all she does is 751 00:50:41,620 --> 00:50:43,180 smile, yes. 752 00:50:43,180 --> 00:50:47,260 Since my mom and dad have passed, I Well, right after my 753 00:50:47,260 --> 00:50:50,740 dad passed, and he did pass quite suddenly, pulmonary 754 00:50:50,740 --> 00:50:56,020 embolism, just collapsed and died. And I recall, I think it 755 00:50:56,020 --> 00:50:59,380 was the next night, or that night, or what have you I 756 00:50:59,380 --> 00:51:03,180 dreamed of him, probably the most vivid dream I've ever had, 757 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:09,480 full color man. And I read he was the kind of guy. He would 758 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,840 just, you know, he was retired. He's 77 years old, you know, he 759 00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,380 would have shorts on, no shoes, and just a, you know, a shirt, 760 00:51:16,380 --> 00:51:20,720 you know, lounging around the house. And that's how I saw him 761 00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:25,280 in the dream with a very puzzled, confused look on his 762 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:31,220 face, like, what the hell has happened? Wow. And I'm and I'm 763 00:51:31,220 --> 00:51:35,420 thinking that, you know, he appeared to me with that. You 764 00:51:35,420 --> 00:51:39,680 know, you hear stories of people that have had these near death 765 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:44,020 experiences, if they're confused and not really comprehending, is 766 00:51:44,020 --> 00:51:47,860 this really happening? That's kind of what I took that 767 00:51:47,860 --> 00:51:54,400 expression to mean, right? That I saw in him. And I've seen him 768 00:51:54,820 --> 00:51:59,500 vividly in just a couple of dreams over the years, and 769 00:51:59,620 --> 00:52:04,380 there, when I do dream of him, they are so real, yes, and so 770 00:52:04,380 --> 00:52:09,720 vivid, that I see them as appearances, as opposed to just 771 00:52:09,720 --> 00:52:15,060 dreams that, you know, and my mom the same way, and there's 772 00:52:15,060 --> 00:52:21,680 really no verbal exchange. Don't really speak. It'll just be, 773 00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:27,620 especially with my mom, it'll be a hug that boy is so real. 774 00:52:27,740 --> 00:52:30,980 Yes, you know there, yeah. Well, it's like one of the dreams I 775 00:52:30,980 --> 00:52:35,720 had of Phil. It was odd because I'll tell you the story of 776 00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:39,560 talking to his wife, Susan afterward, but I had a dream of 777 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,220 him one night where I was walking on this street, and 778 00:52:42,220 --> 00:52:47,080 there was like a walkway above me, and Phil was walking on it. 779 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:52,180 I said, Man, where you been? Was talking to him, and he was busy 780 00:52:52,180 --> 00:52:55,360 on his phone. He said, Hey, I don't have time to talk. I got 781 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:59,680 to check up on car, his oldest son. I said, okay, bud. Well, he 782 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,580 said, I'm trying to call Susan. I said, Okay, I'll see you 783 00:53:02,580 --> 00:53:06,420 later, and then I'd wake up later on. When I was telling 784 00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:11,700 Susan about that dream, she said, that's weird. She goes, 785 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:17,700 because around that time, said I was having some issues with car 786 00:53:17,700 --> 00:53:21,800 where I was worried about him. Oh, wow. I went, Wow, is that 787 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:27,800 ever weird? Yeah, that kind of, you know, kind of gave you the 788 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:29,300 goose, goose 789 00:53:29,300 --> 00:53:32,120 bumps, yeah? I was like, you know, you heard me go, oh, wow, 790 00:53:32,180 --> 00:53:34,940 yeah, I see where this is going, yeah, oh, man, 791 00:53:35,060 --> 00:53:35,960 it was weird, 792 00:53:36,500 --> 00:53:41,560 yeah, I, I do think there's a level of consciousness there, 793 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:47,800 that that knows more than we do in the in the physical sense 794 00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:52,240 that we are currently in, yes, and whatever it is, whether it's 795 00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:59,680 heaven or or what there's just there's an infinite knowledge 796 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,360 out there that I think at times when we let our minds go, 797 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:07,140 whether that's during sleep or what have you, that we're able 798 00:54:07,140 --> 00:54:08,040 to tap into. 799 00:54:08,340 --> 00:54:12,840 Yes, I do well. And one thing that was always strange to me, 800 00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:19,380 too is the day I got let go from the radio station. As I went 801 00:54:19,380 --> 00:54:23,600 home, my wife had found this Christmas she goes, Look what I 802 00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,960 found today. And it was a Christmas card that Phil had 803 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:30,500 sent to me when we lost syndication we were both bummed 804 00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:34,820 out about and it was this car, the station wagon. It said, 805 00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,660 sometimes it feels like life's passing you by and you open it 806 00:54:38,660 --> 00:54:42,460 up, said, or trying to run you over. He said, Remember, I'm in 807 00:54:42,460 --> 00:54:47,560 your lane. Oh, wow. And it was 10 minutes after that that I got 808 00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:52,360 the Zoom call that I was let go, and I thought he's still in your 809 00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,140 lane. Man, that's kind of a weird coincidence. 810 00:54:56,500 --> 00:54:58,540 So what you guys are really telling me is that when you 811 00:54:58,540 --> 00:55:00,900 close your eyes, you. Don't dream about me 812 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,440 on wctd, 813 00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:12,540 sorry, I had to break the heaviness of the complaint. 814 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:19,740 No, I was kind of waiting to hear, you know the who? Okay, 815 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:25,100 fine. See the ghost, 816 00:55:27,380 --> 00:55:30,080 you'd figure I think there are a lot of haunting stories out of 817 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,960 Vegas when we worked out there, but nothing in the radio 818 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,420 station, which makes me think that all radio people go to 819 00:55:35,420 --> 00:55:39,200 heaven. So because, you know, there's got to be some reward 820 00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:39,620 somewhere. 821 00:55:39,620 --> 00:55:42,280 Yeah, yeah, we've been in hell during our careers. 822 00:55:42,820 --> 00:55:44,380 We sacrificed enough. 823 00:55:44,919 --> 00:55:48,099 But, I mean, the funny thing out there was because of the mob 824 00:55:48,099 --> 00:55:51,699 history and the rapid expansion that happened while we were 825 00:55:51,699 --> 00:55:53,439 there. I mean, they were building and building and 826 00:55:53,439 --> 00:55:56,319 constantly just expanding and expanding and expanding. 827 00:55:56,379 --> 00:55:58,959 And, you know, there's dead bodies under a lot of things. 828 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,600 It was a regular occurrence, excuse me, out there where, you 829 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:08,640 know, well, construction had to be halted. Another body in a 830 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:14,220 barrel. Remember when Lake Mead? Yeah, drain, yes. All these 831 00:56:14,220 --> 00:56:17,280 bodies started showing up. There are a lot of a lot of people in 832 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:17,820 New York and 833 00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:20,940 Chicago getting nervous. 834 00:56:21,780 --> 00:56:25,940 Yeah. Dude, it was, like, every two weeks in the lvrj, the 835 00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,840 review journal was like, up, you know, so and sold on our homes 836 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:35,540 at the halt construction. Found a body, bones and teeth, dental 837 00:56:35,540 --> 00:56:37,040 records the whole nine yards, man, 838 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:39,740 I tell you, I don't know what it is about the mob, but they've 839 00:56:39,740 --> 00:56:43,660 always fascinated me, scared the hell out of me, but always 840 00:56:43,660 --> 00:56:48,640 fascinated me that lifestyle, because we had, I remember on 841 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,660 Phil's show, we had Michael Francis. He was a son of a 842 00:56:52,660 --> 00:56:56,320 mobster, and we always Phil and I had always after the 843 00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,500 interviews, because we had him on several times. Do you think 844 00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:00,660 he's still involved? 845 00:57:01,020 --> 00:57:04,740 Who knows? I don't think there's any. There's no life after that. 846 00:57:04,980 --> 00:57:07,860 No, they don't think there is. They ever tell you my 847 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,120 Henry Hill story that I bring that talk? I don't think so. 848 00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,720 Really. I don't believe so. We had Howard Stern, who was a 849 00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:19,620 syndicated show out in Vegas for one of our stations, and I got 850 00:57:19,620 --> 00:57:22,160 into in so good with the engineers that they allowed me 851 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,860 to help out a couple of years because it was like, this was so 852 00:57:24,860 --> 00:57:28,400 cool. He was one of my radio heroes growing up, right? And, 853 00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:31,160 you know, to see how the everything worked. And it's 854 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:36,200 funny, this was so simple, but it seems so complex. But one of 855 00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:40,180 the last shows, Courtney came out and hung out with all my 856 00:57:40,180 --> 00:57:43,240 buddies while I was working, and they all had the free drinks 857 00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,300 that the Hard Rock would provide. And I had to head back 858 00:57:46,300 --> 00:57:48,280 to the radio station, and Courtney's like, she's like, 859 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,680 well, I'm going with your friends to the Spearmint Rhino. 860 00:57:51,220 --> 00:57:54,280 And I'm going, Really, okay, that's a first. This will be 861 00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:57,760 fun. But before that, one of the guests they had on was Henry 862 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:03,420 Hill, the actual guy, Ray leotas character, good fellows. And, 863 00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:06,600 you know, I knew who he was, like an old guy at this point 864 00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,080 and everything. And I go to the radio station, you know, text my 865 00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,680 wife, Hey, where were this part of the spearmint rhinos? I show 866 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:18,900 up, walk in, and I see from afar that she's carrying a 867 00:58:18,900 --> 00:58:22,400 conversation. And I'm like, Oh, look who it is, who she's 868 00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,820 talking to. So I guess he came up to her, you know, good 869 00:58:25,820 --> 00:58:28,760 looking, Red Headed woman, yeah, started struck up a 870 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,300 conversation, and she she eyeballs me and shuts the 871 00:58:32,300 --> 00:58:36,020 conversation down. She's like, Thank God, thank you. That guy 872 00:58:36,020 --> 00:58:41,680 was just talking. He had, like, no teeth. Do you have any idea 873 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:46,300 who you were just talking to? She goes, No. I said, you 874 00:58:46,300 --> 00:58:50,500 remember Ray liottas character from Goodfellas? Yeah, Henry 875 00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:54,760 Hill. I said, that's the real guy. Stay clear, because he's 876 00:58:54,940 --> 00:58:57,520 made it known where he is, and I'm pretty sure he's still 877 00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,840 marked. So, yeah, that was a interesting story. 878 00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,360 Well, it's kind of like when Phil Valentine worked in 879 00:59:03,780 --> 00:59:07,740 Philadelphia, when he first started his show, he had this 880 00:59:07,740 --> 00:59:13,440 Godfather update, and he'd been talking like that. Oh gosh. So 881 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,800 he gets called into the program director's office. Said, Hey, 882 00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:22,160 Phil, I want to talk to you about your godfather update. And 883 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:26,000 he said, Oh, you like it? He said, Oh yeah, it's funny. 884 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,180 Very well done. It's resonating with people, 885 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:35,120 Phil, you need to drop that today. I thought you liked it. 886 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,540 He said, Phil, I like it, but there's nothing to do with he 887 00:59:38,540 --> 00:59:41,380 said, Phil, you're in Philadelphia. He said The 888 00:59:41,380 --> 00:59:45,820 Godfather lives here, yeah, and he does not find your bit funny, 889 00:59:45,820 --> 00:59:48,100 right? And, oh, okay. Can I 890 00:59:48,820 --> 00:59:51,400 ask one question? Did he at least sound like that when he 891 00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:51,880 called you? 892 00:59:54,220 --> 00:59:57,160 Did you see the mini series? Have you guys seen the mini 893 00:59:57,160 --> 01:00:01,140 series on the making of The Godfather? Oh. With the offer, 894 01:00:01,140 --> 01:00:07,320 yes, yeah, with teller, what's the milestone? Miles? Teller, 895 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,800 yeah, yeah, fascinating, fascinating series, oh yeah, 896 01:00:10,980 --> 01:00:15,480 amazing. Yes, maybe you've seen that, but you know, kind of 897 01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,600 along the lines of what you've just described, where, you know, 898 01:00:18,660 --> 01:00:22,280 the mob was, they're not pissed off about it. Yeah, they were 899 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:26,060 not happy about how Italian Americans were being depicted, 900 01:00:26,060 --> 01:00:29,660 no, as the course, you know, throughout the course of the 901 01:00:29,660 --> 01:00:34,460 film. But ultimately, used did use their muscle after they were 902 01:00:34,460 --> 01:00:38,660 assured that that they kind of, in one way, got script approval, 903 01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,760 actually, yeah, but use their muscle to help with 904 01:00:44,260 --> 01:00:48,820 transportation strike and workers and the you know, the 905 01:00:48,820 --> 01:00:52,600 union guys on the set and all. I mean, just a fascinating, 906 01:00:53,140 --> 01:00:57,280 fascinating series. If you get a chance to see it, I think you 907 01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:58,900 would enjoy it. Yeah, I 908 01:00:59,020 --> 01:01:02,640 have one last story about, well, maybe last, my last story about 909 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:05,580 haunting. So we decided one weekend, I think it might have 910 01:01:05,580 --> 01:01:08,400 been Father's Day. There's a really good place that we like 911 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,400 to get pizza out in Chattanooga. It's called Lookout Mountain 912 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,700 winery. Who think it's called that, and it basically, it's up 913 01:01:14,700 --> 01:01:15,300 on a hill. 914 01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:18,419 Yeah? I mean, I pass it when, when I go do my games, 915 01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:22,040 do yourself a favor. Yeah? Okay, go visit. All right, got the 916 01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:25,700 guys from Philly have to do that, and he makes killer pizza. 917 01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:31,880 The wine is wine, yeah, yeah, it's, it's wine made on a 918 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:37,100 mountain. And the view is beautiful. The pizza is 919 01:01:37,100 --> 01:01:40,600 exquisite. It is as northeast pizza as northeast gets. It's 920 01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:43,660 wonderful. So we always, we had a hankering for it, and he 921 01:01:43,660 --> 01:01:46,300 thought, well, we spend a night out, you know, in Chattanooga. 922 01:01:46,300 --> 01:01:49,360 And looking around, we couldn't find anything readily available 923 01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,320 that was like under 500 bucks, except these little like 924 01:01:53,380 --> 01:01:57,940 bungalows that were near the the old dam. I can't remember the 925 01:01:57,940 --> 01:02:01,920 name of it, but it's, it's like an old, you know, they put a dam 926 01:02:01,980 --> 01:02:05,460 on top of an Indian burial site. Now it's forever haunted, yeah, 927 01:02:05,820 --> 01:02:08,400 and, you know, wouldn't you know, we walk in there, my wife 928 01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,800 being the way she is, and now my kids, kind of carrying that 929 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,340 trait, walk right through the door, and instantly they're 930 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:19,140 like, our dogs, you know, our dogs were, like, hesitant to go 931 01:02:19,140 --> 01:02:21,680 in and everything. I'm like, Well, we already paid for it, so 932 01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:26,540 here we are. But I swear by one of my dogs. Like, as we settling 933 01:02:26,540 --> 01:02:28,760 down, we put our luggage away and everything, we're sitting 934 01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,700 there just kind of, what's next? Let's go. When do we want to go 935 01:02:31,700 --> 01:02:34,820 get pizza? And we're sitting on the couch discussing it, and our 936 01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:39,380 the dog, who's the alpha at the time, is in, like, looking into 937 01:02:39,380 --> 01:02:42,760 the main bedroom where Courtney and I are going to sleep, just 938 01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,960 staring, not even moving. And as he's he could see the ears are 939 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,900 perking up, and he's, like, tracking something I'm going 940 01:02:49,900 --> 01:02:54,280 court because what? Like, look at link. And she goes, Oh, for 941 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:58,960 crying out loud, yeah. Well, we'll spend White Night here, 942 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:04,740 but we get up and we leave immediately, yeah, but I think 943 01:03:04,740 --> 01:03:07,800 it was one of those scenarios where I didn't feel it, but I 944 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:12,120 think everybody was unsettled. There was something that it was 945 01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:13,260 malevolent. 946 01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:18,600 It does seem that women and children are more perceptive of 947 01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:18,780 these. 948 01:03:18,780 --> 01:03:21,440 Yeah. Children's brains aren't hardwired correct. 949 01:03:21,620 --> 01:03:26,660 In fact, my grandfather died. It was more the dog. I didn't hear 950 01:03:26,660 --> 01:03:34,220 anything, but it was the day he died, and the dog was in my 951 01:03:34,220 --> 01:03:40,340 bedroom and was barking at the window like he wouldn't leave. 952 01:03:40,340 --> 01:03:44,080 He just stayed right at the window, barking, and we noticed 953 01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:51,460 the next day that a piece of the pain had fallen out and crashed 954 01:03:51,460 --> 01:03:58,120 on the ground. Very odd. So who knows, who knows? 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