Intro: Boz celebrates an important milestone, hoping for the best and preparing for the worst, when your therapist doesn't talk, when your therapist falls asleep,
approach avoidance.
Main Course: We don't believe in resolutions, Danish serial killers,
The Chestnut Man, skiing,
Elizabeth Holmes,
The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Sante Fe New Mexico,
Heder, control issues,
Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory,
Cobra Kai, reliably good chuckles.
FULL TRANSCRIPT (unedited):
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And I'm Gina poli-sci.
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We went to theater school together. We survived it, but we didn't quite understand.
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20 years later, we're digging deep talking to our guests about their experiences and trying to make sense
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If at all we survived theater school and you will too. Are we famous yet?
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Happy new year. Let's just for a moment for 20, 22. Do we need to
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Please, please? Just like, I mean sort of just like, can we just, I really do sympathize with like, or relate to people or like, don't make any sudden moves. Like, let's just, let's just see how it goes, but, you know, and my mom used to say like, expect the worst hope for the best expect the worst, which is so indicative of why my childhood was probably so confusing. But, but you, you, because really you can't do both. Like I was thinking that we cannot, as humans live in that that's crazy making, so it's sort of like we have to choose and I'm going to choose the hope, but I'm not going to be totally shocked if shit goes wrong.
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Right, right. I mean, I think maybe like an adjustment to that would be, you know, your expectations can strangle you to death. So keep your expectations in check, like yeah. Maybe, you know, hope for the best and, and, and know that, you know, it's just a hope and, and it, and it's not a guarantee. And, you know, so when the shit hits the fan it's, or maybe the better thing is like, everything is as it should be in any given
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The real deal, it's
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The real deal. Which, you know, I I've said that to a few people in my life recently, who've been like, Hmm, no, that's, I'm not doing that. I'm not which I understand. And I relate to it and it's a new concept for me, but that's what I'm trying to do right now is I'm trying to say like, everything is as it should be. And
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I mean, what, what 'cause, if, if, if not, like, I think it's interesting because when I, I remember when I got my master's in counseling psych and I went to this, you know, woo hippy dippy school, and one of the things was, yeah, everything is happening the way it's supposed to be happening. And I remember having this conversation with my sister who was like a real and still sort of is like a social justice warrior type and like, you know, equity type. And she was like, that is not true. Like my students who don't have anything, that's not how it is as it should be. And here's the thing, here's the thing. I don't think. I think that I need help in any way and be of service in the ways I feel I need to be of service.
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And what is happening is fucking happening in the moment.
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You could
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Fucking pretend all you want, but if it's happening, then it's happening. Like that's how I feel. Yeah.
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Yeah. And it actually, in some ways you're better equipped to help things get better when you start from the place that it's happening. I mean, cause even just starting from the place of like, it shouldn't be happening. Yeah. I relate to the impulse, but at the same time, it's a little bit of wasted steps. They're like, you just go right to, okay. Well, it's not really for me to decide if it's good or bad or indifferent, you know, it's, if I can do something about it, I should.
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Yeah. And I feel like, yeah. And I also want to say, and thank you for talking after our interview as well to be, but I wanted to say like a year ago today I was in the hospital. So I feel really. Yeah. So that was just, oh my God, it's bringing up all this stuff about like I was talking in therapy yesterday. I like my therapist. It's interesting. She doesn't say a lot. And at first I'm like, you're not doing enough, but she's the first female older figure in my life who has allowed me the space to sort of just talk and then she does interject, but I am so used to wanting, it's not even so much approval, but someone to step in and, and tell me what to do or like more, just give me their feedback.
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But I think that she's doing at first, I thought, is she like, literally she dumb or like what's happening here. But I think that she's doing it on purpose. Like I think there is a method to her madness or to her, whatever she's doing, because it's allowing me to, she's not giving me any answers. And I really look to that for someone to take charge because my, you know, my parents did it, but like I'm an adult and that's not her job is not to take charge of me as a therapist.
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I will say that it's such a fine line because did I ever tell you about the analyst I had? Who fell asleep?
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Yeah. That's not good.
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I mean,
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That's not good.
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That was fascinating. And it wasn't, no, it wasn't good, but, but okay. Now I'm going to argue against my own point. But even then it was like, okay, he fell asleep, like apropos of like, okay, this is what it is. When are you going to do about it? Because the, what I did about it as I left treatment, instead of saying, what the fuck, man, I'm paying you $250 and you're asleep. Right? Like what's the matter with you? Because, because that could have helped him too. Like we could have all benefited, but I just ran away, which is the thing I have done my whole life. And then I'm really consciously trying to work against. And it's hard. It's hard to approach where you have wanted to avoid.
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Yes. Yes. And I, so she, she's very, she's listening cause we're on zoom and she's like, but she doesn't, it's interesting. She doesn't see that much. And we talked about it and she's like, well, what would you want me to say? And I'm like, yeah, I don't know. I'm not even sure that it's, that it's a bad or a negative thing. I'm just noticing. And she said, yeah, you know, you don't have a lot of experience with, with older mother type figures, just letting you have your space. And
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I was like, just letting you be
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Also it's $8 a session. Like my insurance covers a lot of it. So I'm grateful for that. And she's so anyway, but we were, I was probably talking about that in therapy. About a year ago today I was in the hospital and how life-changing, that was for me and how lucky I feel, not so much that it happened, but that the team that I had was so non shaming.
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Yeah. Yeah. And your health has steadily improved and you're in such a better place now, thank God. Congrats to you. I'm grateful that you I'm grateful that you, you know, survived that and that you've persisted and, and really taken on. You've taken on the task of whatever it is you need to do to not be in.
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Yeah. Thank you. Also, is that the sweatshirt I gave you? Yes.
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Is it comfortable? It is so comfortable. And even though it is a plain gray sweatshirt, I get compliments on it all the time.
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It's like the best sweatshirt company apparently. And I like thick, thick, thick tassel. Oh. But what I was doing is that a baritone?
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It is a bear totem that my mom gave me for Christmas. Isn't it pretty nice. Yeah. Totally. It's
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Beautiful. Is it turquoise?
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Is turquoise. Yeah. Yes. She gave me this and she, she gave me great gifts this year. She gave me a, I wanted a flat wi like a waffle weave robe. Yes. And I got, she gave me one of those. So <em></em>
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Yeah. I'm just really like, I, I don't really believe in resolutions or anything, but I, because I just, I don't fucking, I guess it's something to say, but like, what I am is grateful what this P I come back to it, what this pandemic has really made me grateful for is fucking my health and a job. Like, like I I'm searching for a job that has meaning for me to bring in to income. I don't know what that's going to look like, but I know that I want a patch of grass to call my yes. And that pandemic has really sharpened that for me and created that and like, wait a minute.
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I, I I'm grateful for my health, which can be fleeting, as I know, and I'm grateful for a fucking roof over my head, it has really taken me to bare bones, gratitude, which I am. So which look wears off sometimes. And I'm like, oh fuck this shit. But I got to say like, this pandemic has really, and moving away from Chicago and starting a new life has shown me that like, oh, bare bones back to basics. As my cousin would say, back on my bullshit of like water gratitude. It's all the things that we talk about on this podcast. So yeah. Yeah. I'm in a much better place than I was physically a year ago.
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And that has to be worth something, you know, like that. Absolutely. I mean, and so anyway, that's what, that's what really what I was saying in my, in my, in my, my remarks to you earlier. So what about you? What's happening? Tell me a skiing. What do you want to say about this new year?
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Oh my God. Well, I'll say this. I ended 20, 21. Here's what I can say. I'm proud of. I'm proud that I tried something.
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Yeah. You tried to, you learned, you took a ski lesson. Right? I
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Took a skew. I took a couple of ski lessons.
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It's fucking hard.
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It's the hardest thing I, you know, here, here's the deal I want to ski. Not because I want to ski. I want to ski because that's what my family does. I don't want to be a part of it and I don't want to be on the outside. Right. And my husband was pointing out to me. Some stuff that I think is really true, which is skiing. Maybe like everything, maybe like every sport, maybe like everything just becomes this, you know, litmus test or roar shack or whatever for like what all of your issues are. Number one, skiing is for rich people. I grew up thinking skiing is for rich people. I don't do that when I was in sixth grade and they shut down school for a week. And they said it was ski week.
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And I told my mom, and she said, what are you, what are you
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Talking about? She thought it was a joke. And
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All of the kids came back from their weekend Tahoe or whatever, the Vail and Aspen. And, and I'm like, I don't what, so there's that, there's the culture of it that I just don't relate to because I've never been a part of it. It's very white. It's very rich. It's very snobby. It's very, you know, but at the same time, like my kids love skiing. They love it. And my husband loves it. So I don't want to be a separate,
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You don't want to be on the out the outsider.
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I don't want to be the outside looking in, but my God, it's hard. And you know, I don't have any, I'm not, I've never played a sport before. I've never done. I've never been like into a winter outdoorsy thing. Like, that's just never been my thing. So I'm committed to trying it again. But it was, I mean, it was like a fucking nightmare. I hated basically every second of it, it was just like bawling. And I was, and, and here's what happened to me at the first lesson. It was going great and getting like, literally the very basics, like how to put on your skis and how to, whatever.
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Awesome. We did that for 20 minutes. I was in heaven. And then it was like, okay, go down the slope. You know? And it wasn't like it was steep or anything like that, but it was a slope and they never really didn't teach us how to stop. And I w the second I'm going fast and I can't stop and everything that they have taught me, isn't helping me to stop. I'm scared out of my mind. Yeah, absolutely. And then when I get back up, it's like suggestions about how to improve my technique. And I'm like, but how do you stop
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To just lay down or,
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Well, it turns out it's very complicated. You know, how you stopped depends on the steep, you know, at the seat, steep of the slope, the slope of the, whatever. It depends on, you know, I mean, it's, there's this whole thing about using your skis to find the edge and you have to turn uphill. It's just, it's, it's a whole thing. It's a whole thing, which, you know, tennis is a whole thing too. But when you do it wrong, you don't Corinne down a mountain, 40 miles
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On two pieces of plastic or wood
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Or whatever. Right, right. Right. Exactly. So, like I said, I'm, we'll try again. Maybe not this winter,
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You weren't injured. Right. Or
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Thank God. No, but that, I was so afraid of that. I was really like, you know, because the thing is like, if you're young, you don't, you don't really have a concept that you could die. You could break your neck and die doing this fun outdoor activity. So I'm older. So I know that I could die and it increases the stakes for me. And it makes me be like, the very first thing you should have taught me is how to stop. You shouldn't have taught me one single thing more until I really know how to stop. And so the second time it was my husband, you know, trying to teach me. And he's a great teacher and he knows exactly how to talk to me and whatever, but I had already fallen so many times I was already felt so rattled and so scared.
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I just, I started crying. I said, I can't do this. I can't do this. And to his credit, he made me, you know, as I said before, the thing I'm tend to do is avoid what I need to approach. And he like helped me approach it more. But I ended by being like, it's going to be a while before I can do this again, because
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Yes. And I just want to say, you get major kudos for fucking trying. It it's fucking scary. There's a lot of body image issues that are wrapped in sports. Yes. Yes. Especially where you have to fall, especially where you might feel less than. And then like, if you had a different kind of body, you could ski better. People are always saying, bend your knees. What if you can't bend your knees? What if it's hard to get up? Like I have a whole, so with it, you did it at all. Just as a human being, let alone a lady in this world is fucking fantastic. And also falling is scary in nature.
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Like the, one of the things miles, cause he's a skateboarder told me is that you, the first thing you learn is how to fall when you're learning how to skateboard, we all need to learn how to fall. And we never learned that because I think people are so afraid to fall. They try to avoid falling when it's part of the deal, just like failing is part of the deal.
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That's exactly right. And, and I know very well that falling is my biggest fear basically because I've broken my tailbone once falling on ice. So, but th that fits with my psychology. So perfectly like I'm so afraid to fail. I'm so afraid to do something the wrong way that, yeah. So it makes sense that falling would be my thing. But anyway, Vermont is beautiful. It was, you know, fun for my family, which is always a good thing. And I watched the real Housewives.
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Yeah. Which one?
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Oh, I'm just whatever I just like, and actually the salt lake city went, I have to say for people who maybe like, they look
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Crazy,
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They're so crazy. And they are career funnels. Like this one lady is a straight up criminal. Speaking of criminals, Elizabeth Holmes, she she's guilty. Right. That she got, had feeling she was going to get off on everything. So I'm happy that she got,
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Yeah. And for four counts and, and they're already, I can't remember who was playing her, someone's playing her in the new, and then a movie that looks just fucking like her, but I can't remember who it is, but anyway. Yeah, she got, she had, but, but, okay, so you watch that. Okay. So
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Then I did whatever. Like I, I did, I did, honestly I did laundry and cooked dinner and did dishes, but whatever it was fine, it was totally fine. I was doing all of those things that I would do when I was at my house, but I was doing them in a different place.
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Ah, God, it's so weird. But like all the cliche things people have said is true. Like it's important to be together like miles Doris and I were together. And like, there's a lot of, I mean, it was fine, but it was hard in that, in that it driving. I always forget, like, as I get older driving a lot is harder. Right. So, so, and I have a control issue, so I don't let miles drive a lot. So this time I tried to let him drive more, which worked in some ways and didn't work in others. Like I just, he doesn't go fast enough. He's not doing it. Right. He's I just, I have, I'm such a jerk when it comes to letting go and letting him, letting him live his life, like I just am and I'm working on it.
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It's very hard. It comes out in the driving. So he do, he will drive. But he also to be fair, like the dude gets tired of driving after an hour. So it's sort of like, oh
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Yeah, it's a lot on you.
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It's a lot. So, and the dog, let me tell you something. If you don't have children, because I think children really help with this, a dog will show you also about what it means to let go and take responsibility for something that's in your care, but also not make shit worse for that being. So Doris, we went to this motel that she fucking hated the first night because it was loud. And so she would bark and friend she's, don't really bark, but she barks. And, but, but she, she would startle. And my response when she would startle would be to get angry, I get startled and then get angry, like Doris stopped.
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And I really was like, am I going to have to sleep? And then I started feeling badly and embarrassed and like taking on shame that she was keeping people up, right. Just like I would with a kid. Right. And then I thought I'm going to sleep in the car. First of all, it's 30 degrees. I'm going to sleep in the car with the dog, this and then miles really talk to me. Thank God. It was like, listen, I think we're making this worse. Like I think if we just accept that the dog may keep people up. It is a dog friendly hotel. We are not breaking any rules. And I, I did what I needed to do, which was go to the front. Jessica said, listen, our dog is, this is a packed out motel hotel in Williams, Arizona, which is like super touristy.
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So it was overpriced. And we're the shithole days in. And I'm like, listen, if you can put us in a different room, great. If not just know that like people may complain. She goes, the front desk lady was at first annoyed cause she had, so she was so busy. But then she was like, you know what? I'll just tell him to deal with it. And then the next day, when I showed her Doris, she was like, that's what you're worried about. We have a fucking Twitter pound German shepherd that won't shut up two doors down from you. We've got so I was making it worse. I was making
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Yes. Oh my God, this, I relate so completely to this. And I had basic. And actually it's funny because that's exactly the thing I wanted to run by. You was just about travel. So the thing happened yesterday on <em></em> in Virginia, that people were stuck on the freeway for 15 hours because something was shut down and people were literally in their cars, on the freeway for 15 hours. And I thought that is worse than any travel nightmare I have ever experienced ever imagine. But traveling with kids and dogs is its own kind hell
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And travel with Wallace.
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No, thank God. We're smarter than that
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Now. But that was really smart.
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And we're out of the cause of what it used to be about. My travel anxiety was always about being on the plane and a baby is crying and I'm just like saying to people I'm so sorry. And you know, and then there's people, usually other parents who are like, it's totally fine. And then there's people who usually are not, parents are irritated with you, but it's the same thing you take on the shame. You feel responsible. You get, you get flush with shame and then you feel angry at the person who's making the noise. It's a whole crazy thing.
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Yeah. Go ahead. And well, I was going to say, this is really like, this struck me, someone I, I told this once to either a therapist or a friend and they said, oh, this is so interesting. And I was like, oh God, they're going to say something really deep. And they did, which was, I wonder if when you were a baby, you were allowed to make any noise at all. And I was like, oh my God. And that you felt shame when you were needy or doing what a kid and a baby does is cry. Like that's their jam and scream. That's their jam. That's the, and they're taking on for us. This person said what we wish we could all do, but they get to do it because it's quote acceptable except people don't like it.
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So then they make it unacceptable. And that's where the shame comes in. So I was like, oh my God, Doris is literally doing the thing that I wish I could do, which is express myself when I'm afraid. And then of course I started crying and then miles and I talked about it and it was, it, it totally helped me to be like, wait a second, wait a second. What is going on? Because my reaction to Doris's like it, she doesn't even bark. She was like, it's not even, It's not about that. It ma it's something about me. So I said, oh my God, I'm making this into a whole thing because I'm having an experience that, that is really triggering.
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So then I processed, I mean, it was a whole, it was lovely, but we got, we, you know, and I thought, well, we're not going to sleep. We have to go home. I was catastrophizing. The dog went to sleep. Once I, once I was like, okay, well she's going to bark. She's going to bark. I hope people get sleep. If not, I'll never see them tomorrow. I'll just sneak out. Fuck it. Right. The fuck. And once I was able to, like, we always talk about now, acceptance is the fucking answer to the fucking problem. I had to accept that I may not sleep. She may not sleep. Our neighbors might be pissed and that's just what was happening. And then of course, we all went to sleep. Now it wasn't great sleep. And then we realized, okay, we're not staying in a motel.
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We needed a bigger quieter. And once we got this place, and once we got to Santa Fe and the fancier hotel dog-friendly hotel, but fancier bigger rooms, more space in between rooms, less people, she was fine.
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It was fine. The whole thing was fine. Yeah.
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And New Mexico is gorgeous. And we always think, I always think about living there and moving there when I'm there, but it was, it was cold. And, and the truth is, I don't know where I'm going to live or what I'm going to do
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Well that you were in Salem for or
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Toast. I love Santa Fe. I've never been to Telus people loved house. I've never been there. But Santa Fe, I love Santa Fe. In fact, I was gonna see Kristen. Oh yeah. But miles started sneezing. And I was like, no, because this was, I was like, I'm not bringing anything into these people's house and they have a child no way. And they have horses. And, but, but, but we communicated and there's for you. And I there's like an open invitation to visit her horse farm. I'm like,
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Yeah, that's so sweet. So is it, is it expensive to live in Santa Fe?
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Not more expensive than LA. I was looking at houses. We started looking at houses just to see it's cheaper than LA cheaper than California. So, but it also does get cold and it was 30 degrees and snowing. So, you know,
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Take the good with the bad, the
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Good with the bad. And I think a lot is going to depend for me on where, where, what I, what I want my career legacy to look like. Like if it's you and I make it, like, maybe we'll make this documentary. And then we get into documentaries. Maybe it's, I'm so open. I also really am welcoming change if that's what needs to happen, but I'm also at, and I just feel okay somewhat in that. Nobody seems to really know what they're going to be doing in five years, you know, like,
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And he knows, and I feel like another thing that speak about things that got clarified during the pandemic. I think that that very thing of like, we're all just lying to ourselves. When we say this is what we're going to be doing next year. And this is what are we doing in five years? Which is not to say that you shouldn't have a plan, like work towards something, but it's also unknown. And so unknowable that it's kind of like, all right. So just make sure that what you're doing today, something that you want to be doing, you know, because like this may be the last day you're doing it.
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Point blank. Right. And nothing. And the other thing that miles and I always talk about is like this, this period has really shown me that like, nothing is a panacea. Like I thought co-working is going to be the panacea at well. And then everyone got sick at the coworking or not everyone, but people got nothing is a panacea. There is no such thing like that doesn't exist in this life. And I think this period has really shown that, that, that the thing you think like you say is going to last is could change back on line or what's happening with school. Are you guys back in school?
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We're in school right now? Fingers crossed. It does seem like people are getting all. And then it's kind of more, just like a cold if they're vaccinated. So it may be, you know, since all my kids are vaccinated, maybe that the school stays open and you know, in a way, in a way it's possible that we all had it. We didn't get tested, but you know, we had, people are saying all over the internet, like, you think it's a bad cold, but it's probably COVID. But the reason we didn't get tested is because the first person to get sick was our daughter. And she got a negative test, which I guess doesn't mean anything, but for what it could have been for us.
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Yeah. And, and th the safest thing they are saying to do is just assume you have it. If you feel sick and just stay home as if you have it. And
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We did, we had, we had the F six day period of being home before we went on our trip. And so,
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You know, my sister, her, his whole family got it tested. My sister
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Knew me. I got it. But they all
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Got, they all got sick. They all got sick. And also Amber and her husband got sick. And there, you know, so everyone, I know there's a lot of people that are getting sick and it's not a moral failing and
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No Susan Bennett, she just posted on this, but she got sick and she's been very, very careful. So everybody's going to guess what Aaron said, there's an, everybody will get this. Like if they haven't already, and it's changing from a pandemic to an endemic, and that's something that we'll get boosters for every year.
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Oh my nachos. Okay. On a different note, I was going to talk about the things that I've been, what time is it? Do you have time to talk more? I have time. Yeah. The things that I've been watching. So I, I love that you watched real Housewives. We watched, what did we watch? Okay. So we watched an office marathon of all the Christmas episodes, brilliant writing, brilliant writing. That's a sort of an old hat, but what we did watch was I found it very profound to watch the original Charlie and the chocolate factory, Willy Wonka, Charlie, and the chocolate factory, gene Wilder, and the messages there of like, literally don't be greedy.
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And also that, that movie is so weird. And he's so weird in it that like good people can sometimes be really weird and say things that are not appropriate, you know, like it's not a, there's not a one way to do, to do this life. And so I really enjoyed that movie this time. And usually I'm like this, whoever did, this is on drugs. I don't know what's happening here. And it's a fucking what is happening, but I really heard some messages in there, but also a Cobra Kai is back out. So I don't know. Do you watch?
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No,
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I never have. Okay. You've never seen it.
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Yeah. Jacob watches it. He watches it like he's faced.
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Yes. I could see that. I could see that, that it is, it is so nuanced and that word is thrown around a lot these days. But the writer, the writers are the showrunners whoever's doing understand the art of nuance and genre in terms of, it looks like the original Beverly Hills 9 0 2 and oh, the color schemes, everyone, like what our guests was saying, which, you know, every, everyone was on board for the same vision of the show. You can tell that the universe or world that they have created, everyone buys into.
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So it's not brilliant by any means in terms of like, there's nothing profound going on in the show, but the actual actuators and the EV the team you can tell is like, no, no, we are fully committing to this weird nineties meets 2020 situation going on. And we're taking it fucking seriously. It's beloved. I switched them. Good. And it started as like a YouTube thing. Like they weren't really going to make a new karate kid, like nobody gets caught out. And I think it is true that people say that, like, if you believe then other people will find it interesting. If you're committed a hundred percent, you will have a core audience and it might grow, you know?
1 (30m 55s):
So, so I've been watching that. And then the Chestnut man on Netflix. Okay. It's a Danish serial killer show. Television show. Fucking brilliant. Wait, are you saying it's a show about a Danish serial killer, or it's a Dana show about serial killers. Dana show it's in Danish, I guess. No, no, it's Danish. It's a Danish. I dunno. It's a whole, it is so creepy. And also God bless everyone. That's not the us. The people look like regular people and the lead woman looks like a regular woman.
1 (31m 36s):
She's, she's a bit thin for my liking, but, you know, whatever, I'm trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, but she, anyway, the chess it's, it's about, it's about a serial killer in, in Denmark, in Denmark and brilliant. And it's the first. And so I think I'm going to stick for a while to non us shows about, because really I've exhausted a lot of the U S serial killer market. Like if I'm honest, like, so a friend of mine is like a playwright turned television writer, friend is just got a, a deal to remake, a Swedish show that I watched called header, H E R.
1 (32m 17s):
I don't know if that's how you pronounce it about a female band of detectives that focus on sex crimes in Sweden, but they've all got secrets. So I'm switching, I go done with American crime shows. So I'm lucky that 1000% I got really into India into the police squad in India. So I'm, I feel like there's, my eyes are being open to there's more than just American true crime.
2 (32m 45s):
We need to have a on our social media or something. Jen's weird rabbit hole picks. Cause you get, you get into some good ones. Take talks for bad haircuts, YouTube videos of, of people who have
1 (33m 3s):
Yeah. And people falling down like my whole thing too, of like, I'm not getting hurt, but I think it's what we were talking about. How like falling is the scariest thing. So if, if someone can do it not be hurt seriously and not be killed, but can survive that. And it's funny. I think we should totally celebrate that. Celebrate it. Oh my God. There's a really funny one where there's this guy who's like, I'm a amateur meteorologist just out unofficial meteorologists out here. I'm enjoying the snow. Look at the snow in the street. And then he falls down and he goes, oh, and it's the funniest. So that kind of thing is right up my alley. So like, I would love it
2 (33m 44s):
If there's and it's so like life, I mean, just anything that you can reliably get a good chuckle out of that's gold. That that should be in the new age of that should be our currency. How can you make me laugh? If so, I'll give you all my money. I need.
4 (34m 13s):
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