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I dare to speak to the tremendous
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what leadership is a choice.

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I am interviewing leaders with
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they got where they are today.

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We all have a lot to learn
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And over successes and struggles on the V.

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Is to give leaders an opportunity to
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to learn from their genders sharing

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Nina founded.

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Shosha.

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pink week for breast
cancer awareness in 2013.

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At only the age of 16.

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Our campaign has since raised
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Including $48,000 in the first hour.

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And as a result of that, she was
named a future hundred by a Barclay's.

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He's currently leading social impact
CSR and give back for lemonade.

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Which is an insurance company
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In the interview in our shares,
how losing her mother inspired

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her to start pink week.

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She opens up and talks about
how bad things hurt her heart.

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And how knowing that
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She also talks about the
importance of working in a company.

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Where you feel comfortable expressing your
voice which i think is one of the main

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tasks of any leader in any organization

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Welcome Nina  to the show.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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I'm  excited to be here.

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Wonderful.

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It's my pleasure to have you.

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Can you begin with sharing a little
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Yeah, of course.

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So my name is Nina I'm based out
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impact for lemonade,  which is a B
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But more than that, it's
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But because of how we've structured
all product, it means that we have

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purpose is really built into what we do.

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We have all main,  purpose driven and
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give back, which happens once a year.

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That's when we donate up to
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the end of the year to causes
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Aside from that, we also, throughout
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on making sure that lemonade is
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that it can be for our policy.

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Thank you.

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And I've got quite curious to know
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with social impact and insurance.

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And I think normally when people
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So I'm quite curious, but before
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hear your backstory and how you got.

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And if,  for our listeners, can
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your life, which has shaped you
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When I was 16, I founded a
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It was later incorporated into a
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called breast cancer now.

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cancer amongst younger generations.

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So my peers, which has an age group,
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we're not seen as traditional donors
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Charities target market, but I tried
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let's put the donation element aside.

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We can still benefit from micro donations,
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So it began when I was 16.

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And then it began, it spread, I
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Cambridge,  university of Cambridge in
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and it just really started to pick up
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engaged with the idea of giving back also
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who has decided to donate part of their
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more established career, but actually
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a dent,  really resonated with people.

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I'm intrigued and can you share.

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What inspired you to do this?

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specific type of machinery at the
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guardian, which is, a super well-known
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and bring it down to my generation because
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to think about it is that if I, as
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girls school, we would have already
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People really need to remember
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The higher rate of survival.

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that awareness level a few years earlier?

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Why do we have to wait until we
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vulnerable to breast cancer?

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Thank you for sharing
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I lost my mom to cancer as well, so I
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you to, to start something on your own.

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So I'm curious to know how that
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And how has this journey been
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So I think it shaped me as a person,
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hate seeing bad things happen.

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And I think that's very much why it
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that I'm in and the nonprofit sector,
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with giving back and facilitating other
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What is it that you're passionate
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It's not something I ever
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working at an insurance company that
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non-profit that I've worked for.

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I would, I wouldn't necessarily believe
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sure that our mission is a force for good.

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as good and as ethical as a nonprofit.

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The evidence of how genuine this
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It wasn't an afterthought and it wasn't
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It's really legally, we're committed
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To me, that is just something that
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How can we evolve this impactful mission?

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How can we make sure that we're
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other for-profits to perhaps emulate
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well, and ensure that their product
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And I just went through the laminate
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So I would advise everybody who is
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And it's quite unique.

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And also for you, as you share
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see the role of business?

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In creating a better future for all of us.

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And is that only the responsibility
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businesses learn and how can they adapt?

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Especially with global
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I think that question is in two parts.

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The first is that we definitely shouldn't
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responsible kind of for giving back.

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I really believe the opposite.

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I think, the for-profits are the
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the way for a new kind of giving,
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set,  and a target audience that
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and perhaps becoming dedicated more
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that's facilitated by the for-profit,
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If you compare lemonade, giving
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think it's so fascinating to see the
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Are actually neglected, but we're able
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restore that kind of unfairness that
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give back goes to environmental causes.

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So there's quite a disparity
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news is being really popular.

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Actually, where the money is
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money is actually ending up.

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So I would say, we really do have a
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sure that the money is getting in the
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Starting to resemble not necessarily
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driven by profit and business minded
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with driven also by social good and
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very much a new form of capitalism.

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That's very exciting to be  a part of..

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And this reminds me of an interview,
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And the interviewer said that,
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all corporations are B cops.

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I would absolutely love that.

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I think all corporations should be
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the best way to do business nowadays.

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So coming back to your day-to-day job,
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How do I manage pressure?

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That's a good question.

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I think it's becoming increasingly
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and COVID,  travel is more restricted.

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And so I think it's important to be
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is feeling more overwhelmed and
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I'm navigating, like a long distance
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which is not an easy thing to do.

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going through it and it's okay.

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It's okay to feel, pressure
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you're focused on, it really helps to
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intense pressure because that you're
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role or this sector that you've landed
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So yeah, it might be
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This reminds me, I think I
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That pressure is a privilege.

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I think,  even if the journey is,
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I would really agree with that.

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I think, there's a correlation
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idea of really caring about something.

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So I think getting that balance
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Thank you.

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And as you talked about caring
about something, is there something

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with which you care about and you
have dreamed of doing for a long

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time, but you haven't done it.

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I think there's a few things that I
definitely really care about and that I

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would love to be able to focus more on.

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I haven't really stayed connected to
the breast cancer awareness movement

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and as I become older and grow closer
to the age where it's increasingly

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relevant, I would love to be able to.

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Touch back in with that movement.

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But the beautiful thing about lemonade
is that we're able to support such a

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diverse range of courses from very small
non-profits,  to very large organizations

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like charity water Eselu direct relief.

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So I do feel like I get quite a range of
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to day job,  which I'm very grateful for.

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Since you talked about being grateful
for what else do you have in your life

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that you feel the most grateful for?

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In a professional sense?

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Yeah, I think in the context
of leadership or in the context

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of,  of the work that you do.

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I think the thing that I'm most grateful
for is definitely the team that I'm

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surrounded by because social impact
can be quite an isolating space.

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Often there's only one person in the team.

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And I lead that, part of our
product and part of our company.

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But because the gift bag is so inbuilt
in the organization and what we do,

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everyone is passionate about it.

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So I feel super grateful that I
work somewhere, that everybody

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really cares about impact.

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And it's not just something that
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people might engage with once a
year and see us, tokenistic, CSL.

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Rather it's something that everybody
in the company feels super excited

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about this such a buzz around it.

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It's a key reason why people come to work.

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Yeah, I would say that I feel
super grateful to be surrounded

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by that kind of community.

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Thank you.

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As you have worked in different
sectors, can you share,  a person or

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somebody who has had a big influence
on your leadership and is there any

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particular event which you can remember
and can share with our audience?

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I think the person who's probably
had the greatest impact on me

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would be my,  the VP of Combs.

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Who's, the current leader
of a team at lemonade.

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Her name is  and the first time that
we connected, we spoke about how we

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could integrate the impact role, more,
more defined more clearly at lemonade.

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And I was just super inspired
to meet someone who had taken.

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Such a leap in their career.

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Especially as a woman in tech, I
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to me to find that space.

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And she continues to be such a source
of inspiration for me, the way that she

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talks about transparency and ethics, and
is constantly thinking and making sure

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that lemonade is on the right side of
history, for lack of a better cliche.

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I would say that too, she really
is a source of inspiration

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for me in office meeting.

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Really what pivoted me away from
the nonprofit world and to the

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for-profit world, which is, the
move I'm most fortunate for.

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Is that a particular belief
about leadership that you have

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come to change your view over?

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Yeah, I think one thing that's interesting
about the company that I work at now

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is that leadership is very much not
removed from day to day decisions.

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You seem to have a lot of interaction
with leadership, not that it's a

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flat organization, but there is a
lot more kind of back and forth.

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And, regardless of your age or your
experience, you're still able to

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really make an impact in the company.

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So I think that's something that I
would really take on is to not look at

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the stereotypical factors that might
define someone's success, but perhaps

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look at, that day to day and what really
is pushing them forward as a process

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and how to draw on that and make them
the best employee that they can be.

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Thank you.

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I think what I take away from
that is not just the value of

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transparency, but also giving people
autonomy over the work that they do.

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And.

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An openness to express their
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what the leadership thinks it is.

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Definitely.

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I think that's so important,
especially in the last few years.

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And we've seen, racial justice
movements emerging and unrest,  perhaps

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across different companies about
how leaderships are responding.

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I think it's really important to make
sure that you work at an organization

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where you feel comfortable expressing your
voice,  and that you actually feel hard.

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So I completely agree with that.

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Yes.

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I think expressing your voice
is like a very good synonym for

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leadership,  which I sometimes use.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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So if I zoom out and take
you into the future, right?

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What does a successful and
purposeful future look like?

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Right now I envisioned my future very
much at lemonade, just continuing to build

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on impact program,  on what should grow.

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The give back pretty grows with lemonade.

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All 2021 give back was
104% higher than 2020.

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4000% higher than 2017.

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We growing, especially in the
causes that we align ourselves for.

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So it's very clear now
to see what we stand for.

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Think we've donated nearly $500,000
to climate organizations since

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2017, and we've remained committed
to platforming racial justice.

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I've donated, multiple hundred thousand
donations to the ACL, you funding

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that criminal justice projects.

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And that funding continues.

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So I think I would really love
to just keep building the impact

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program,  pushing it forward, making
it even clearer, 12 policy holders,

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what we stand for as an organization.

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And just continuing to see that incredible
growth that we've seen without give back.

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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It looks like you are, what
you're doing right now is itself

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a very purposeful for you.

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And it, to me, it seems like a lot of
impacts and a lot of success already.

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I hope

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I hope so.

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Thank you.

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Is there something which
people misunderstand about you?

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Yes.

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Understand about me.

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That's a really good question.

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I think that.

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I think it's something I would
probably need to think about.

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I'm not sure.

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I pride myself on being
quite clear and open.

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But if I'm not, then that's
something I should definitely change.

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So I hope that there's
limited misunderstandings.

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But yeah, that's a really good question.

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I will think of that.

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A good answer for that in the future.

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Yeah.

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And since you mentioned about change,
is there any quality or skill or

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ability that you would like to.

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Yeah, I think confidence,
being more confident and

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self-assured, and where I am.

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I think when you come to a leadership role
at a young age, then everybody struggles

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with this kind of imposter syndrome.

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And that's something
that I definitely feel.

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The, so definitely, more confident in
my abilities and asking for whatever.

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I want and deserve and
growing I'm growing.

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My role accordingly, I think
is, something that everyone

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should aspire to and achieve.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for sharing that.

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And it's,  it's quite,  ironical because I
can share my point of view, but I'll when

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I look at your LinkedIn profile and when
invited you for this interview, I, it, the

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profile was like somebody who is already.

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There's just success.

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Somebody who has started multiple
initiatives in the past, somebody

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who looks very confident.

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And,  thank you for opening up, that
how that imposter syndrome plays up.

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Yeah, definitely.

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I think, so many people peer confident,
there's really always something

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going on behind closed doors.

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So I think everyone should be more
open about how they're really feeling.

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And then.

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I live in a much more
transparent environment.

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Yeah.

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And I've worked with a lot of senior
leaders and,  there's one thing

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which I'm discovering is that take
them the more successful you get.

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The imposter syndrome never goes away.

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In fact, it continues to get,  stronger.

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And,  and what I am learning is that,
I think it's a good sign that you

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are growing as long as you does not.

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Let it stop you from moving forward.

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It's a good sign that you're doing
something which is beyond your

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grasp and you're dreaming big.

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So for me, it's always a good sign.

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The imposter syndrome is there, it's
not the truth that it's basically just

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a lie, but just having it there tells
you that you're dreaming big, you're

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living a life that you can be proud

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of.

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Definitely.

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I completely agree with that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And just another side note on confidences
in humans mentioned that I think one thing

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which I am I'm realizing, so I started
a project to understand confidence and

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courage because I have a set to myself
that I did not have confidence, and I

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did not have courage for a long time.

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And that.

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In this year, I must have interviewed
around  a few hundred  hundred

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leaders around confidence.

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And what I'm discovering is that
confidence is not a requirement.

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It's an outcome of what you do.

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And then if you do anything for,
for a repeated period of time,

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confidence is what you get out of it.

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And it's not something which is
a prerequisite for doing that.

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That's so interesting.

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Yeah.

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I completely agree with that.

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It's does it, chicken in the egg?

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Do you need confidence in
order to achieve something?

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Or can you get confidence from
what you've just achieved?

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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So before, before we wrap up, is there a
particular advice you would give someone

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who has a big dream,  and something
which they are very passionate about,

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but it has been on hold for that.

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Just go for it.

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I really embarrassed myself, cold
emailing, LinkedIn messaging,

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looking at my dream job and maybe
it was a bit cringey at the time,

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but I don't regret it at all.

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So I think that definitely, go for it.

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I really think it's a good thing to do.

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Wonderful.

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Such a simple answer yet.

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It, I think it packed so much pearls
of wisdom, I think, just going for

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it and the way you say you, you
didn't wait for readiness and you

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didn't wait for something to happen.

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And, and I think one,  one thing which
I always remember is that if you don't

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ask the answer will always be no.

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And what's,  what's the
worst that you can then.

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So anybody who listens to this podcast
either now or later, where can they find

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out  more about you and connect with you?

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I'm on LinkedIn.

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I'm very open to people reaching out,
and definitely check out lemonade

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and the lemonade to give back because
that's the best reflection I hope of

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me and what we stand for as a company.

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So yeah, definitely do check us out.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Nina for this,  for the short,
but I think very insightful interview.

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And I think the lessons that you have
shared from your journey would be

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meaningful for other listeners as well.

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Thank you for the same course.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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That's it for this episode of
choosing leadership with summit.

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I choose leadership every time
I record this podcast and I

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invite you to do the same.

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I invite you to design a life of
joy, meaning pride and satisfaction.

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Not just for yourself, but
also for those around you.

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This is what I do most naturally
to lovingly and gently provoke you.

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To help you see your own light to help
you see what you are already capable of.

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I say what might be uncomfortable
for me to say, or for you to hear.

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To show you that all of our dreams  which
have been on hold are within our grasp.

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not forget to leave a rating.

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At reality.

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And thank you for listening.

475
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Always remember that you are enough, you
are loved and you matter, this is summit.

476
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Until next time, keep choosing leadership.