1 00:00:12,870 --> 00:00:16,530 If you've been following the show for a while, you'll already know today's guest. 2 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,640 If you have even a passing interest in self-defense, self-protection, or 3 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,300 situational awareness, his work will likely already be familiar to you. 4 00:00:24,870 --> 00:00:28,020 He grew up in a tumultuous environment, went on to serve with 5 00:00:28,020 --> 00:00:31,620 the British Royal Marines, and from there, the UK Special Forces. 6 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:35,490 Later he worked in executive protection and corporate surveillance. 7 00:00:35,940 --> 00:00:41,100 His new book, man protect polls from all of these to help you 8 00:00:41,160 --> 00:00:44,910 better understand danger, read human behavior, and move through the world 9 00:00:44,940 --> 00:00:46,410 with more confidence and clarity. 10 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:50,680 Welcome back to the Silver Court Podcast, my friend Sonny Smith. 11 00:00:51,160 --> 00:00:52,240 Thanks for having me back. 12 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:52,720 Right on. 13 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,220 It's been a few years, hasn't it? 14 00:00:54,220 --> 00:00:54,490 It's 15 00:00:54,490 --> 00:00:55,720 been a minute, hasn't it? 16 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,990 So much has happened actually in that time, but I'm very 17 00:00:58,990 --> 00:00:59,680 happy to be here. 18 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:00,520 Thanks for having us back. 19 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,690 Why don't you catch me up on what's happened between the last podcast and help 20 00:01:04,690 --> 00:01:07,930 catch up the audience and now, uh, well, I 21 00:01:07,930 --> 00:01:13,150 started a new career little side hustle, which is professional bare knuckle boxing. 22 00:01:13,425 --> 00:01:13,625 Mm-hmm. 23 00:01:14,605 --> 00:01:16,570 Had four professional fights in that time. 24 00:01:16,570 --> 00:01:17,410 One that you attended. 25 00:01:17,410 --> 00:01:18,825 Actually, that was a fun one. 26 00:01:18,825 --> 00:01:19,865 Yeah, that was fun. 27 00:01:19,865 --> 00:01:22,360 In uh, Edmonton, I was headline that show. 28 00:01:22,420 --> 00:01:27,190 Unfortunately I lost, but that is the sport of bare knuckle boxing. 29 00:01:27,250 --> 00:01:28,780 It's a savage sport. 30 00:01:28,780 --> 00:01:32,860 Some say the most savage sport and everyone I look up to 31 00:01:32,860 --> 00:01:34,390 has lost bare knuckle fights. 32 00:01:34,420 --> 00:01:36,430 In my younger days I lost bare knuckle fights. 33 00:01:36,460 --> 00:01:39,580 Mm. When you are flying these fists at each other. 34 00:01:40,259 --> 00:01:42,899 Someone's going down and that's why it's so exciting. 35 00:01:43,110 --> 00:01:44,130 Well, that's what surprised me. 36 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,530 Like when I first started watching it, I'd never watched bare 37 00:01:46,530 --> 00:01:48,149 knuckle boxing before I met you. 38 00:01:48,149 --> 00:01:51,539 And there you are, you're out in the stage at the, what is it? 39 00:01:51,539 --> 00:01:52,949 The O2 arena? 40 00:01:53,250 --> 00:01:53,310 Yeah. 41 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:54,390 In London. 42 00:01:54,390 --> 00:01:56,699 And I'm watching you on the, uh, the pay-per-view. 43 00:01:56,699 --> 00:01:59,970 And, uh, man, some of these fights, they're one punch and 44 00:01:59,970 --> 00:02:00,869 they're done and it's over. 45 00:02:00,869 --> 00:02:06,030 And it only takes that one punch in the right way to really change the outcome. 46 00:02:06,030 --> 00:02:08,400 And like, I'd watch these guys, I'm like, oh, for sure this 47 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:09,509 guy's gonna win over here. 48 00:02:09,509 --> 00:02:11,700 And the other guy, Hey, he got in. 49 00:02:11,700 --> 00:02:12,750 Maybe he wasn't bigger. 50 00:02:12,750 --> 00:02:15,510 Maybe it wasn't tougher, or whatever it might be. 51 00:02:15,510 --> 00:02:17,220 So it's, you're going in. 52 00:02:17,925 --> 00:02:18,975 It's, it's like court. 53 00:02:18,975 --> 00:02:22,035 Maybe they say you have a hundred percent successful case, you go into 54 00:02:22,035 --> 00:02:26,025 court and the second you step foot in it's, you know, 70% you're gonna win. 55 00:02:26,204 --> 00:02:26,685 Yeah. 56 00:02:27,015 --> 00:02:27,945 Anything can happen. 57 00:02:28,035 --> 00:02:28,545 Yeah. 58 00:02:28,545 --> 00:02:29,400 You know, and it's real. 59 00:02:29,579 --> 00:02:32,625 You know, if you are ever standing in the doorway of your home and you 60 00:02:32,625 --> 00:02:36,525 are defending your family, then you are fighting with your bare fists. 61 00:02:36,795 --> 00:02:37,875 That's why I like it. 62 00:02:38,265 --> 00:02:42,075 And yeah, no matter how good you are, you can always get 63 00:02:42,075 --> 00:02:43,185 caught with that wrong shot. 64 00:02:43,454 --> 00:02:45,435 The eyes are exposed all the time. 65 00:02:45,435 --> 00:02:48,105 A lot of fights are stopped from getting hit in the eye. 66 00:02:48,195 --> 00:02:48,525 Mm-hmm. 67 00:02:48,555 --> 00:02:52,305 So I actually train with an eye patch sparring sometimes, because 68 00:02:52,815 --> 00:02:55,365 you're gonna lose an eye at some point it's gonna either swell up or 69 00:02:55,365 --> 00:02:57,644 you're gonna get hit in it and you're gonna have to fight through that. 70 00:02:58,275 --> 00:02:58,815 Um. 71 00:02:59,775 --> 00:03:02,475 But yeah, just get hit on the wrong place on the chin. 72 00:03:02,745 --> 00:03:03,675 Then you get dropped. 73 00:03:03,675 --> 00:03:05,445 My last fight I got dropped with a jab. 74 00:03:05,535 --> 00:03:08,145 Mm. Which in normal boxing, you get dropped with a jab. 75 00:03:08,235 --> 00:03:09,495 People kinda laugh at that. 76 00:03:09,585 --> 00:03:13,785 Mm. But yeah, you, you, you can't laugh at bare knuckle boxing. 77 00:03:13,905 --> 00:03:19,575 Well, I remember after the fight was over, everyone's kind of clearing out and myself 78 00:03:19,605 --> 00:03:25,365 and Jace and Chance, and we went in behind the security back behind everyone else. 79 00:03:25,365 --> 00:03:26,085 We just said, oh, no, no. 80 00:03:26,085 --> 00:03:26,415 We're here. 81 00:03:26,415 --> 00:03:27,105 We're supposed to be good. 82 00:03:27,105 --> 00:03:27,315 Right. 83 00:03:27,315 --> 00:03:29,235 And everyone just let us walk on through. 84 00:03:29,925 --> 00:03:31,965 We go into the back area, we're looking for you. 85 00:03:32,055 --> 00:03:33,855 And like, oh man, where's sunny? 86 00:03:34,590 --> 00:03:35,820 And we're searching up and down. 87 00:03:35,820 --> 00:03:38,580 And finally Jason and Chance are like, well, I guess he's not here. 88 00:03:38,580 --> 00:03:40,560 Well let's make plans of what we're gonna do next. 89 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,470 Maybe, maybe he took off and I'm like, just, just gimme a moment. 90 00:03:43,470 --> 00:03:45,180 I'm gonna just check this one last room. 91 00:03:45,180 --> 00:03:47,910 And I go in this back area down, down the stairs. 92 00:03:48,210 --> 00:03:51,345 And there you were with some very concerned doctors and 93 00:03:51,345 --> 00:03:53,070 nurses and people sitting around. 94 00:03:53,070 --> 00:03:54,060 You're like, yeah, I'm fine. 95 00:03:54,060 --> 00:03:55,200 And they're like, ah. 96 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:56,580 And they're sitting there stitching you up. 97 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,040 And uh, remember Jace who pointed it out? 98 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,280 He is like, uh, hey mate, is your nose supposed to look like that? 99 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:04,200 Yeah. 100 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:05,970 It was, uh, at a different angle. 101 00:04:05,970 --> 00:04:07,410 It was actually at a right angle. 102 00:04:07,410 --> 00:04:13,200 It was, it was been broken many times, but at that, that break was the worst. 103 00:04:13,230 --> 00:04:13,320 Mm-hmm. 104 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,780 And uh, I had to have that reset. 105 00:04:16,094 --> 00:04:17,354 About a week later. 106 00:04:17,594 --> 00:04:20,204 And that was one of the most painful experiences of my 107 00:04:20,204 --> 00:04:22,755 life actually at that time. 108 00:04:22,755 --> 00:04:25,965 The doctor tried to reset it right there, but it didn't do it. 109 00:04:25,965 --> 00:04:26,474 I remember 110 00:04:26,474 --> 00:04:28,784 I was watching him do it, he's like, here, let's see what we can do. 111 00:04:29,655 --> 00:04:31,065 And you're like, ah. 112 00:04:31,065 --> 00:04:34,094 I actually thought, 'cause most, a lot of the time they think that 113 00:04:34,094 --> 00:04:35,294 I've broken my nose when I haven't. 114 00:04:35,325 --> 00:04:36,284 'cause it was already bent. 115 00:04:36,375 --> 00:04:38,055 Mm. So I, I was like, nah, it's fine. 116 00:04:38,055 --> 00:04:38,565 It's already bent. 117 00:04:38,594 --> 00:04:42,974 Not until I actually looked in the mirror way later and I was like, whoa, actually. 118 00:04:43,305 --> 00:04:44,955 So it was like facing that way. 119 00:04:44,955 --> 00:04:47,145 It was like, it was horrendous. 120 00:04:47,205 --> 00:04:48,284 Well, you just kept saying that. 121 00:04:48,284 --> 00:04:49,905 You're like, oh, it's fine, it's normal. 122 00:04:49,935 --> 00:04:51,195 My nose is always like this. 123 00:04:51,195 --> 00:04:53,534 I'm like, I don't think so. 124 00:04:53,534 --> 00:04:55,784 And the doctor's like, can you pull up some pictures of Sonny 125 00:04:55,784 --> 00:04:57,195 before the fight and after? 126 00:04:57,195 --> 00:04:58,605 And so we're pulling this stuff up. 127 00:04:58,605 --> 00:05:02,835 He's like, yeah, no, this is, this is gonna need some attention. 128 00:05:03,105 --> 00:05:03,555 Yeah. 129 00:05:03,555 --> 00:05:06,645 Well, they actually said, I'll give it a few days and then go to the 130 00:05:06,735 --> 00:05:09,465 a and e. And uh, so I did that. 131 00:05:09,525 --> 00:05:11,925 And when I got to a and e, they was like, oh, you've left it too long. 132 00:05:12,195 --> 00:05:13,185 We can't reset it. 133 00:05:13,185 --> 00:05:14,265 And I was like, wow. 134 00:05:14,865 --> 00:05:16,065 Come on, someone's gotta do something. 135 00:05:16,065 --> 00:05:17,895 I can't walk around like this for the rest of my life. 136 00:05:18,255 --> 00:05:21,345 Mm. So then there was like, oh, there's one doctor down in Richmond 137 00:05:21,345 --> 00:05:22,245 that might be able to help you. 138 00:05:22,245 --> 00:05:24,855 And then there was like five days gap for that appointment. 139 00:05:25,005 --> 00:05:28,095 When I got down there, he was like, no, you've left it way too long. 140 00:05:28,095 --> 00:05:29,025 I'm not doing anything. 141 00:05:29,025 --> 00:05:30,525 And I was like, come on, please. 142 00:05:30,525 --> 00:05:30,535 Mm-hmm. 143 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,655 I'm gonna have to have a friend break it for me. 144 00:05:32,685 --> 00:05:32,895 Right. 145 00:05:33,225 --> 00:05:35,505 And then he was like, oh, there's one other guy that I 146 00:05:35,505 --> 00:05:38,445 can uh, give you to Dr. Nick. 147 00:05:38,925 --> 00:05:39,225 Yeah. 148 00:05:40,935 --> 00:05:41,325 Yeah. 149 00:05:41,325 --> 00:05:42,165 Up in West Van. 150 00:05:42,195 --> 00:05:42,585 Okay. 151 00:05:42,645 --> 00:05:48,375 And, uh, I went into that, it was a full on like a rhinoplasty surgery. 152 00:05:48,465 --> 00:05:48,555 Okay. 153 00:05:48,555 --> 00:05:50,415 It was like a plastic surgeon basically. 154 00:05:50,595 --> 00:05:56,535 And everyone else in this waiting room were like rich Iranian women from Sure. 155 00:05:56,535 --> 00:05:57,225 That area. 156 00:05:57,225 --> 00:05:57,405 Sure. 157 00:05:57,405 --> 00:06:00,285 That were getting full on thousands of dollar nose jobs. 158 00:06:00,315 --> 00:06:04,035 Mm. But I got it for free 'cause I was, uh, given, passed there 159 00:06:04,035 --> 00:06:05,205 through the a and e system. 160 00:06:05,205 --> 00:06:05,535 Right. 161 00:06:06,015 --> 00:06:06,325 And, uh. 162 00:06:06,990 --> 00:06:08,640 He was like, yeah, I can do something for you. 163 00:06:09,210 --> 00:06:10,620 Uh, but it won't be very pleasant. 164 00:06:10,740 --> 00:06:15,180 And uh, he had me in his chair and he had these two metal rods up my nose. 165 00:06:15,450 --> 00:06:19,469 He was, had one foot on the chair and he was just going boom, boom, boom. 166 00:06:19,469 --> 00:06:22,620 And I was sitting there like that, like, oh fuck did he freeze it? 167 00:06:23,190 --> 00:06:26,940 He gave me the little anesthetic injections, uh, around it to numb 168 00:06:26,940 --> 00:06:28,650 it, but it didn't fully numb it. 169 00:06:28,650 --> 00:06:30,240 And I could feel inside. 170 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,350 It was just fucking, but I'm very thankful that he did that because 171 00:06:34,590 --> 00:06:35,820 I had to walk around like that. 172 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:36,390 And it was. 173 00:06:37,275 --> 00:06:38,115 It was a joke. 174 00:06:38,174 --> 00:06:39,465 It was so sideways. 175 00:06:40,365 --> 00:06:42,224 Um, but that was a painful experience. 176 00:06:42,284 --> 00:06:42,525 Oh man. 177 00:06:42,525 --> 00:06:43,155 I have to admit, 178 00:06:44,085 --> 00:06:48,075 you know, in, in my early twenties, I, uh, had a few too many drinks before going 179 00:06:48,075 --> 00:06:49,815 out my first time whitewater rafting. 180 00:06:49,815 --> 00:06:55,125 And I was, um, running through this field out in the, um, uh, by we rafted 181 00:06:55,125 --> 00:06:58,455 down the Thompson River and they had a big cinder block and I, and I broke my 182 00:06:58,455 --> 00:07:00,765 little toe and thought off nothing of it. 183 00:07:00,885 --> 00:07:01,065 Yeah. 184 00:07:01,395 --> 00:07:02,325 Let the thing heal up. 185 00:07:02,325 --> 00:07:03,164 We'll go to the doctor. 186 00:07:03,164 --> 00:07:05,055 Doctor says there's nothing we can do about this. 187 00:07:05,055 --> 00:07:06,015 You left it too long. 188 00:07:06,015 --> 00:07:08,775 This was a way will ways longer. 189 00:07:08,775 --> 00:07:10,935 And, uh, so I know what I'll do. 190 00:07:11,025 --> 00:07:13,695 So I just put a wedge in between my toe and I figured I'd give 191 00:07:13,695 --> 00:07:15,255 it a whack and break it back. 192 00:07:15,825 --> 00:07:18,375 And I did, but I broke it in the wrong place. 193 00:07:18,854 --> 00:07:21,479 So now if you look at my little toe, my kids call it my shal, 194 00:07:23,325 --> 00:07:24,765 little zigzag on zigzag there. 195 00:07:24,854 --> 00:07:25,304 Geez. 196 00:07:25,544 --> 00:07:25,844 Oh. 197 00:07:25,875 --> 00:07:29,775 But yeah, I um, I was surprised too 'cause the doctor's like, no 198 00:07:29,775 --> 00:07:33,344 self-respecting doctor's gonna fix your nose if you're still fighting. 199 00:07:33,780 --> 00:07:34,890 But you're still fighting, aren't you? 200 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,990 Yeah, and he actually put me on the list for actual surgery, uh, for 201 00:07:39,990 --> 00:07:43,170 rhinoplasty, but I haven't gone with that 'cause I am still fighting. 202 00:07:43,290 --> 00:07:47,490 I plan to fight, um, in probably February, March this year. 203 00:07:47,490 --> 00:07:47,500 Mm-hmm. 204 00:07:47,665 --> 00:07:47,885 Um. 205 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,320 2026 and uh, I still don't have an opponent. 206 00:07:52,410 --> 00:07:55,680 I'm still waiting for the opponent, but I'm got that in my mind now. 207 00:07:55,950 --> 00:07:59,010 Well, you were headlining on that one too, and I remember on the headline 208 00:07:59,010 --> 00:08:01,800 we're looking at this and the stats between it, it's like, why, why are 209 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,040 they matching The two one's got a much longer reach and he is, you 210 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,170 know, look different weight look like. 211 00:08:07,170 --> 00:08:07,950 And um, 212 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,370 he is a middleweight actually, usually, and we fought well to weight. 213 00:08:11,370 --> 00:08:14,940 He, now he's had two fights in middleweight, so he was cutting, uh, 214 00:08:14,970 --> 00:08:16,500 quite a bit to get to that level. 215 00:08:16,980 --> 00:08:18,450 And, uh, I have no shame in. 216 00:08:18,830 --> 00:08:19,340 Losing to him. 217 00:08:19,369 --> 00:08:19,460 Sure. 218 00:08:19,460 --> 00:08:20,000 He's a good guy. 219 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:20,510 He is gone on. 220 00:08:20,599 --> 00:08:22,609 He's four and oh four knockouts now. 221 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:22,789 Good 222 00:08:22,789 --> 00:08:22,940 for 223 00:08:22,940 --> 00:08:23,210 him. 224 00:08:23,359 --> 00:08:25,640 And the only person that's knocked him down is me. 225 00:08:27,109 --> 00:08:27,559 Excellent. 226 00:08:27,559 --> 00:08:28,880 Which I'm pretty happy with that fight. 227 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:33,140 I've watched it back and it's for one round that is back and forth action. 228 00:08:33,140 --> 00:08:34,819 It's trademark, bare knuckle. 229 00:08:34,819 --> 00:08:36,799 That's why the BKFC is so big 230 00:08:36,799 --> 00:08:37,220 now. 231 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,240 Well, you know, if anyone ever wants to watch bare knuckle boxing, like 232 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,939 for me when I was watching it for the first time, I'm like, what? 233 00:08:43,939 --> 00:08:44,420 That's it. 234 00:08:44,449 --> 00:08:47,810 The fight's already over and of course the person's bleeding everywhere and they 235 00:08:47,810 --> 00:08:49,280 have to pull 'em and the other one wins. 236 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:50,449 It's like, these are so quick. 237 00:08:50,780 --> 00:08:53,930 But then you get on and you go the distance. 238 00:08:53,930 --> 00:08:58,520 There's one thing that you carry with you and that's massive heart and massive. 239 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,770 I am just not going down. 240 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:02,420 Yeah. 241 00:09:02,420 --> 00:09:04,130 That's carried with me for my whole life. 242 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,435 Even if I. I'm quite proud of that. 243 00:09:06,465 --> 00:09:10,455 Even when I, I got knocked out before that, I'm still trying to get up. 244 00:09:10,485 --> 00:09:14,025 It's in my sure consciousness to just get up. 245 00:09:14,145 --> 00:09:16,065 Mm. Like there's no, like quitting me. 246 00:09:16,215 --> 00:09:19,875 And actually, maybe I shouldn't say this, but there's some bare knuckle fighters 247 00:09:19,875 --> 00:09:24,495 out there that you see, they get hit, they haven't like lot got hit in the eye 248 00:09:24,495 --> 00:09:26,625 and they go down, they stay down for me. 249 00:09:26,625 --> 00:09:28,125 I'm like, what the hell are you even doing in there? 250 00:09:28,125 --> 00:09:29,715 Like what, what is this? 251 00:09:29,745 --> 00:09:29,925 That's it. 252 00:09:29,925 --> 00:09:30,975 It's not bloody chess match. 253 00:09:30,975 --> 00:09:31,485 Do you know what I 254 00:09:31,485 --> 00:09:31,575 mean? 255 00:09:32,205 --> 00:09:36,255 I think, um, I think for a lot of people, their mental preparation might not. 256 00:09:36,780 --> 00:09:41,400 Extend past the, the training, Hey, I'm gonna train. 257 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:42,930 I'm gonna go in and I'm gonna win. 258 00:09:42,930 --> 00:09:46,500 And if I don't, well then I, they don't have that mental framework for what 259 00:09:46,500 --> 00:09:48,209 happens when everything's going sideways. 260 00:09:48,689 --> 00:09:49,050 Yeah. 261 00:09:49,050 --> 00:09:52,110 And also getting hit with a bare knuckle punch is way different 262 00:09:52,110 --> 00:09:53,310 than getting hit with a glove on. 263 00:09:53,550 --> 00:09:53,640 Mm-hmm. 264 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,459 And people don't really experience that until they're in there. 265 00:09:56,464 --> 00:09:56,795 Mm-hmm. 266 00:09:56,875 --> 00:09:59,729 You get glove boxes that come over to bare knuckle and they're not 267 00:09:59,729 --> 00:10:01,199 doing very good, to be honest. 268 00:10:01,199 --> 00:10:01,290 Right. 269 00:10:01,319 --> 00:10:03,240 They're getting, there's different rule changes. 270 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:06,390 You can clinch and punch, you can grab hold of them and throw shots. 271 00:10:06,390 --> 00:10:07,979 And that's how I knocked Drew down. 272 00:10:08,069 --> 00:10:08,310 Mm-hmm. 273 00:10:08,339 --> 00:10:11,435 I was grabbing him by the head and fucking giving him some, you 274 00:10:11,435 --> 00:10:14,490 know, I mean, and in boxes you're not allowed to do that obviously. 275 00:10:14,490 --> 00:10:14,579 Right. 276 00:10:14,609 --> 00:10:19,650 But it's sort an GRE part of the sport, which changes it in niche fighting 277 00:10:19,650 --> 00:10:21,420 quite dramatically to be able to. 278 00:10:21,495 --> 00:10:22,635 Grapple a little bit. 279 00:10:22,635 --> 00:10:27,285 Standing up clinching, uh, one of the main fighters, Banton weight champion 280 00:10:27,285 --> 00:10:31,935 Kai Stewart, he's a wrestler in his background and he's undefeated champion 281 00:10:31,995 --> 00:10:35,175 over many like traditional class boxers. 282 00:10:35,475 --> 00:10:38,775 He's just demolished them because he's usually wrestling standing up. 283 00:10:39,405 --> 00:10:39,495 Mm-hmm. 284 00:10:39,495 --> 00:10:42,435 Off balancing them and then hitting them when they're like kind of 285 00:10:42,885 --> 00:10:46,065 inboxing if you're shoulder barging, like you're not allowed to do that. 286 00:10:46,125 --> 00:10:46,605 Right. 287 00:10:46,605 --> 00:10:49,065 It's just a kind of, it's a different element that makes it more exciting. 288 00:10:50,415 --> 00:10:50,625 Yeah. 289 00:10:50,625 --> 00:10:50,985 Well, it's 290 00:10:50,985 --> 00:10:54,525 exciting for sure, and it is, you can't have a weak stomach going into it because 291 00:10:54,525 --> 00:10:57,705 it's, uh, it's a, uh, it's a gnarly sport. 292 00:10:57,750 --> 00:11:00,090 Yeah, but you're gonna be good back in it, huh? 293 00:11:00,300 --> 00:11:00,750 Yeah. 294 00:11:00,810 --> 00:11:01,200 Yeah. 295 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,020 That's, can't, can't leave it like that. 296 00:11:04,020 --> 00:11:04,260 You know what 297 00:11:04,260 --> 00:11:04,590 I mean? 298 00:11:04,650 --> 00:11:05,760 Okay, fair enough. 299 00:11:05,790 --> 00:11:06,060 Yeah. 300 00:11:06,060 --> 00:11:08,250 That, that was one thing that I was concerned about. 301 00:11:08,250 --> 00:11:11,550 'cause I mean, you had win, win, win, you're doing really good. 302 00:11:11,550 --> 00:11:12,990 And then you had that fight. 303 00:11:12,990 --> 00:11:16,140 Your headlining, you're not on home turf. 304 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:17,910 He was on home turf. 305 00:11:18,330 --> 00:11:23,190 We were yelling as loud as we could, you know, go, go up, up Royal Marines. 306 00:11:23,195 --> 00:11:24,510 Just, just go sunny. 307 00:11:24,510 --> 00:11:24,810 Right? 308 00:11:24,810 --> 00:11:27,840 And um, and he said, well, I couldn't hear any of that. 309 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,430 I could just hear everyone else going. 310 00:11:29,430 --> 00:11:29,760 Right. 311 00:11:29,970 --> 00:11:32,820 And there's that psychological side to it. 312 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:34,260 And that was a concern. 313 00:11:34,350 --> 00:11:35,640 I was like, like where? 314 00:11:35,670 --> 00:11:37,710 Where's your head gonna be at after this fight? 315 00:11:37,710 --> 00:11:40,890 And then I'll reach out to everyone was reaching out to you after this fight. 316 00:11:40,890 --> 00:11:41,190 Yeah. 317 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:42,000 It's really nice 318 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:46,770 that people do that, but personally, I used to get beaten up like that 319 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,890 when I was younger and I'd wake up in an alleyway or in a hospital bed. 320 00:11:49,980 --> 00:11:50,280 Mm-hmm. 321 00:11:50,340 --> 00:11:52,560 There's no paycheck, there's no pat on the back. 322 00:11:52,650 --> 00:11:53,250 Do you know what I mean? 323 00:11:53,250 --> 00:11:53,700 Sure. 324 00:11:53,730 --> 00:11:57,464 It's just a. I know a lot of people, if they get punched in the face on the 325 00:11:57,464 --> 00:12:01,694 street in an altercation or robbed or something, like the whole world collapses. 326 00:12:02,295 --> 00:12:03,990 I should have sympathy for that. 327 00:12:04,219 --> 00:12:04,510 Sure. 328 00:12:04,515 --> 00:12:07,035 But I kind of, I'm like, well, you get punched in the face, what the fuck? 329 00:12:07,275 --> 00:12:07,454 Right. 330 00:12:07,454 --> 00:12:08,145 They don't deal with it. 331 00:12:08,145 --> 00:12:08,685 Do you know what I mean? 332 00:12:09,194 --> 00:12:09,670 That's life. 333 00:12:10,724 --> 00:12:11,055 Yeah. 334 00:12:11,295 --> 00:12:12,314 But to be honest, yeah. 335 00:12:12,314 --> 00:12:13,724 I've, I've had that, you know what I mean? 336 00:12:13,755 --> 00:12:15,525 Real pain isn't getting punched. 337 00:12:15,525 --> 00:12:17,564 Real pain is when you lose a family member. 338 00:12:17,594 --> 00:12:17,775 Sure. 339 00:12:17,775 --> 00:12:20,474 Or you go through something deeper inside your own mind. 340 00:12:20,535 --> 00:12:21,165 Do you know what I mean? 341 00:12:21,170 --> 00:12:21,430 Mm-hmm. 342 00:12:21,854 --> 00:12:23,625 Real pain isn't that for me, but, 343 00:12:23,834 --> 00:12:24,314 well, that's good. 344 00:12:24,314 --> 00:12:28,094 And, and I guess a big part of that is just your mental framework 345 00:12:28,155 --> 00:12:29,385 ahead of time going into it. 346 00:12:29,745 --> 00:12:30,045 Yeah. 347 00:12:30,135 --> 00:12:32,925 And I guess that'd be a tough one too, because you have to calculate 348 00:12:32,925 --> 00:12:36,165 what losing looks like without setting a pre-ex expectation of losing. 349 00:12:36,165 --> 00:12:38,714 You have to calculate what getting hit looks like without 350 00:12:39,105 --> 00:12:41,954 the pre-ex expectation that you're just gonna get hit all the time. 351 00:12:41,984 --> 00:12:46,005 'cause that's, you watch people fighting and sparring and it's like, 352 00:12:46,005 --> 00:12:48,584 okay, like you threw a punch like this and I'm gonna block like this. 353 00:12:48,584 --> 00:12:49,694 Well, that's not real training. 354 00:12:49,755 --> 00:12:50,084 Right. 355 00:12:50,145 --> 00:12:53,175 You're, you're training for a fake scenario. 356 00:12:53,820 --> 00:12:55,950 How much realism can you bring into it? 357 00:12:56,550 --> 00:12:56,700 Mm-hmm. 358 00:12:56,940 --> 00:13:03,480 Um, and I get the idea behind never inputting any negative info 359 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,480 into your brain, but then how do you prepare once that happens? 360 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,090 So like there, there's, there's gotta be a delicate balance 361 00:13:09,090 --> 00:13:13,110 between how much you actually store inside the hard drive there. 362 00:13:13,710 --> 00:13:14,160 Yeah. 363 00:13:14,370 --> 00:13:19,740 I obviously never planned to lose when I first got into bare knuckle in one of my 364 00:13:19,740 --> 00:13:23,100 first interviews for the other promotion, the British promotion I was with. 365 00:13:23,895 --> 00:13:27,195 The guy was talking to me and I remember saying, oh, just as long 366 00:13:27,195 --> 00:13:30,045 as it's like an exciting fight for the fans, I don't really care. 367 00:13:30,285 --> 00:13:32,085 He was like, but you're trying to win, right? 368 00:13:32,115 --> 00:13:34,395 And I was like, well, yeah, of course. 369 00:13:34,515 --> 00:13:35,865 But yeah, I don't know. 370 00:13:35,865 --> 00:13:38,265 I see it as entertainment at the end of the day. 371 00:13:38,595 --> 00:13:39,795 Obviously I'm trying to win. 372 00:13:40,275 --> 00:13:42,645 Um, I had very hard opponents. 373 00:13:42,645 --> 00:13:46,725 My first opponent with the BKFC, they changed him two weeks before. 374 00:13:46,815 --> 00:13:48,285 Mm. It was supposed to be another guy. 375 00:13:48,675 --> 00:13:52,155 And then they changed him to this guy, Jeremiah Riggs, who fought in the UFC. 376 00:13:52,155 --> 00:13:54,435 He was at that over 50 professional fights. 377 00:13:54,435 --> 00:13:56,145 He's also a middleweight naturally. 378 00:13:56,205 --> 00:13:56,385 Mm-hmm. 379 00:13:56,625 --> 00:14:00,495 And I obviously just accepted the fight as my big break in the UFC and I got 380 00:14:00,495 --> 00:14:02,205 stopped in that fight quite early on. 381 00:14:02,210 --> 00:14:02,450 Mm-hmm. 382 00:14:03,030 --> 00:14:04,485 But that was a step up. 383 00:14:04,725 --> 00:14:07,065 A lot of people out there, they wouldn't even take that fight. 384 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,800 They, they only wanna fight when they know they can win. 385 00:14:10,950 --> 00:14:11,790 Mm. You know what I mean? 386 00:14:11,910 --> 00:14:14,730 But you're never gonna get past, you always gotta push yourself. 387 00:14:15,450 --> 00:14:20,640 Um, and then my second fight was Drew, who's Golden Gloves champion in Canada. 388 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:21,480 He is a good boxer. 389 00:14:21,540 --> 00:14:21,690 Mm-hmm. 390 00:14:21,690 --> 00:14:26,400 He's gone on to win four by Knockout, so I don't take that too bad. 391 00:14:26,490 --> 00:14:28,200 Obviously it was a hard loss. 392 00:14:28,205 --> 00:14:28,325 Mm-hmm. 393 00:14:28,545 --> 00:14:32,250 Uh, and also the annoying thing was that I got injured. 394 00:14:32,250 --> 00:14:34,860 I la landed a punch with my thumb. 395 00:14:34,980 --> 00:14:36,480 They call it skiers thumb. 396 00:14:36,780 --> 00:14:36,990 Oh, okay. 397 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,180 Um, and it was ligament damage. 398 00:14:39,300 --> 00:14:42,090 So usually if you break a bone you can kind of deal with it. 399 00:14:42,095 --> 00:14:42,125 Yeah. 400 00:14:42,180 --> 00:14:45,570 But ligament stuff is way more complicated. 401 00:14:45,570 --> 00:14:48,210 So that took a long time to get the feeling back. 402 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,220 But also, I'm not a rich man. 403 00:14:50,220 --> 00:14:52,470 I had to go to work at a new job. 404 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:52,920 Yeah. 405 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:53,910 And just hide that. 406 00:14:53,910 --> 00:14:55,380 I couldn't fucking use my hand. 407 00:14:56,220 --> 00:14:57,840 Do you, do you have use of it back? 408 00:14:57,900 --> 00:14:58,365 You do? 409 00:14:58,365 --> 00:15:01,440 Yeah, I do, but occasionally I'll catch it a funny angle and then 410 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,390 it'll go back quite a few steps. 411 00:15:03,390 --> 00:15:04,890 But I, I use like, um. 412 00:15:05,594 --> 00:15:09,464 I do a lot of hand strengthening, knuckle strengthening, but I have like a, it's 413 00:15:09,464 --> 00:15:13,935 an elastic strands off of this ball that you just stretch out like that, right? 414 00:15:14,025 --> 00:15:14,954 And different angles. 415 00:15:14,954 --> 00:15:18,464 I had to go and see a specialist eventually to get it, uh, fixed. 416 00:15:18,464 --> 00:15:22,635 And she told me it's called skier's thumb, where okay, they usually flying past 417 00:15:22,635 --> 00:15:25,005 and they catch it on the pole or a tree 418 00:15:25,005 --> 00:15:26,204 or something, interest. 419 00:15:26,265 --> 00:15:30,494 So I had that on, on this hand and it was, uh, inner tubing at, uh, 420 00:15:30,944 --> 00:15:34,244 Seymour and, uh, years and years ago. 421 00:15:34,244 --> 00:15:37,185 And I brought my, I think it was my little brother out with me and he's 422 00:15:37,185 --> 00:15:39,314 yelling 'cause his two had fallen off. 423 00:15:39,314 --> 00:15:40,305 And he's like, can you grab the two? 424 00:15:40,305 --> 00:15:42,314 And it, sleet and snow was coming down. 425 00:15:42,314 --> 00:15:44,540 I just opened my eye and I, oh, I can see the tooth. 426 00:15:44,655 --> 00:15:48,974 And I ran out as I'm sliding down and I grab it and I, of course jammed 427 00:15:48,974 --> 00:15:50,895 the thumb up and, and tore it back. 428 00:15:50,895 --> 00:15:52,935 And I didn't see anyone about it. 429 00:15:52,935 --> 00:15:55,244 And I just let it kinda heal the way it's supposed to heal. 430 00:15:55,844 --> 00:15:58,064 Until finally, you know, I got my grip strength back. 431 00:15:58,094 --> 00:16:00,944 But one time a doctor looked at it and said, well, here, put your hands out. 432 00:16:01,064 --> 00:16:02,474 And he puts pressure on one thumb. 433 00:16:02,474 --> 00:16:03,255 He's like, press up. 434 00:16:03,255 --> 00:16:04,395 He's like, now do it on this thumb. 435 00:16:04,395 --> 00:16:06,224 And I had like no strength. 436 00:16:06,704 --> 00:16:06,824 Yeah. 437 00:16:06,824 --> 00:16:09,135 Because I, because I never trained going back out the other way. 438 00:16:09,344 --> 00:16:10,635 Mm. But uh, yeah, 439 00:16:10,635 --> 00:16:13,785 that's exactly what they did for me when they did the initial 440 00:16:13,785 --> 00:16:15,255 assessment of the specialist. 441 00:16:15,344 --> 00:16:15,525 Ah. 442 00:16:15,525 --> 00:16:19,214 And then you realize how weak it is and where, where you need to strengthen. 443 00:16:19,844 --> 00:16:20,175 Yeah. 444 00:16:20,175 --> 00:16:24,435 And it hurt every time I just like tap into something like my old vehicle, 445 00:16:24,435 --> 00:16:28,484 you'd have to pull or push the lights on and off and I just kind of tap 446 00:16:28,484 --> 00:16:30,584 it in there and it was just painful. 447 00:16:30,584 --> 00:16:31,035 Same thing. 448 00:16:31,064 --> 00:16:31,334 Yeah. 449 00:16:31,425 --> 00:16:32,415 Exactly the same thing. 450 00:16:32,415 --> 00:16:35,055 And I was just starting a job driving boat, so I had to 451 00:16:35,055 --> 00:16:36,734 use throttle with that hand. 452 00:16:37,425 --> 00:16:37,515 Right. 453 00:16:37,515 --> 00:16:37,905 Yeah. 454 00:16:37,905 --> 00:16:41,954 So it wasn't too Well you've got a 455 00:16:41,954 --> 00:16:43,185 new book out now. 456 00:16:43,425 --> 00:16:43,814 Yep. 457 00:16:43,995 --> 00:16:47,084 Man, protect, fulfill your primal duty, man. 458 00:16:47,084 --> 00:16:48,885 Protect, how'd you come up with that name? 459 00:16:49,204 --> 00:16:55,685 Uh, well, it's kind of, it's, it is our main role as men, isn't it? 460 00:16:55,685 --> 00:16:55,775 Sure. 461 00:16:55,834 --> 00:17:00,214 And we've kind of gone away from that with society, but it's bringing it back to 462 00:17:00,214 --> 00:17:03,214 these primal instincts using modern tools. 463 00:17:04,024 --> 00:17:07,714 Mm. And uh, it actually comes from the psychedelic experiences 464 00:17:07,714 --> 00:17:09,305 that I had Interesting. 465 00:17:09,305 --> 00:17:13,355 And showed me that I am a protector in my back in the old, which our 466 00:17:13,355 --> 00:17:14,944 minds haven't changed very much. 467 00:17:15,155 --> 00:17:17,915 I would be a tribal protector, I'd be a warrior, you know? 468 00:17:17,915 --> 00:17:18,155 Right. 469 00:17:18,214 --> 00:17:19,984 And that's why I'm wired the way I am. 470 00:17:19,984 --> 00:17:22,264 That's why I've gone into these lines of work. 471 00:17:22,685 --> 00:17:24,754 And you don't have to have the background that I've had. 472 00:17:24,845 --> 00:17:27,095 Like, everyone is wired that way. 473 00:17:27,274 --> 00:17:27,454 Right. 474 00:17:27,484 --> 00:17:31,865 And part of the book is that you don't have to be this dagger between your 475 00:17:31,865 --> 00:17:34,295 teeth, Harder's nails operate a fighter. 476 00:17:34,565 --> 00:17:36,575 It's all about detection. 477 00:17:37,050 --> 00:17:38,760 And all the other options. 478 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,620 Fighting is the last resort. 479 00:17:40,950 --> 00:17:45,000 So that's basically what the book is showing, right? 480 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,970 Like giving you all these techniques that real protectors, professional 481 00:17:47,970 --> 00:17:50,370 protectors use in their profession. 482 00:17:50,820 --> 00:17:55,500 And I. Let people know that engage is right at the end of that. 483 00:17:55,889 --> 00:18:00,090 And obviously engage is important and there's a big part of the book about that. 484 00:18:00,149 --> 00:18:00,330 Mm-hmm. 485 00:18:00,660 --> 00:18:04,710 But we are trying not to get to that point in every situation, really. 486 00:18:04,710 --> 00:18:08,940 Especially if we are protecting our family, which is the primary role as a 487 00:18:08,940 --> 00:18:09,300 man. 488 00:18:09,990 --> 00:18:14,040 I, I really like the book and so I was overly optimistic when 489 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:15,420 I texted you a couple days ago. 490 00:18:15,420 --> 00:18:17,190 My wife dropped me off at the hunting shack. 491 00:18:17,190 --> 00:18:19,590 I put a fire on, I'm resting up my knee, which I'm not 492 00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:21,660 really able to bend still yet. 493 00:18:21,750 --> 00:18:23,730 And I thought, sat down and I'm reading through it. 494 00:18:23,730 --> 00:18:27,060 I give you a text, I'm like, I'm gonna have the whole book done. 495 00:18:27,060 --> 00:18:28,620 I meant, this is such an easy read. 496 00:18:28,620 --> 00:18:29,340 It's so fun. 497 00:18:29,340 --> 00:18:30,210 I'm so engaging. 498 00:18:30,210 --> 00:18:34,320 Like you got all these personal stories in there and how you. 499 00:18:34,685 --> 00:18:39,395 How you teach in the book, you start introducing a concept. 500 00:18:39,395 --> 00:18:45,815 You start, it's gentle, it's very cool how, uh, the concepts are introduced. 501 00:18:46,325 --> 00:18:47,405 They're fleshed out. 502 00:18:47,705 --> 00:18:50,585 You call back onto it, then they're reinforced. 503 00:18:50,795 --> 00:18:55,504 Uh, I don't know if you just pull in from British military method of instruction, 504 00:18:55,535 --> 00:19:02,015 uh, uh, training here, but, uh, it really appealed to me the, um, uh, the way 505 00:19:02,015 --> 00:19:04,175 that it, you lay out the information. 506 00:19:04,504 --> 00:19:05,795 So anyways, I'll give you a text. 507 00:19:05,795 --> 00:19:08,225 I'm gonna be done this book in No, Todd, this is such a great read. 508 00:19:08,225 --> 00:19:11,795 And then of course life gets in the way and then a few days later here 509 00:19:11,795 --> 00:19:13,415 and now and still can't bend the leg. 510 00:19:13,415 --> 00:19:13,754 But, um. 511 00:19:14,790 --> 00:19:18,510 Sorry, Sonny, I had to speed read a few of those, the sections in here. 512 00:19:18,689 --> 00:19:19,260 That's fine. 513 00:19:19,260 --> 00:19:19,320 Yeah. 514 00:19:19,379 --> 00:19:23,760 But the, the information in here is, um, it's very good. 515 00:19:24,090 --> 00:19:29,220 So I, I grew up, uh, in an environment where situational awareness was 516 00:19:29,220 --> 00:19:34,470 always drilled into us, and where, from a policing background, my family 517 00:19:34,470 --> 00:19:40,020 and, uh, a lot of the things that you're looking at in your book are, 518 00:19:40,500 --> 00:19:45,990 have a modern adaptation on some of these older ideas that were put out. 519 00:19:45,990 --> 00:19:49,169 And they're, they're really relevant and they're really applicable that 520 00:19:49,169 --> 00:19:53,310 anybody can pick up the book, go through it, and apply in their everyday life. 521 00:19:53,850 --> 00:19:59,730 Uh, what was it that drove you to want to put this book out? 522 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:01,320 Uh, it is. 523 00:20:02,205 --> 00:20:05,325 It's basically the accumulation of everything I've learned 524 00:20:05,325 --> 00:20:06,855 in my life to this point. 525 00:20:06,910 --> 00:20:07,330 Mm-hmm. 526 00:20:07,335 --> 00:20:10,815 And I've been lucky enough to do many different disciplines. 527 00:20:10,815 --> 00:20:14,565 Basically everything that I thought was cool when I grew up, I've 528 00:20:14,565 --> 00:20:16,005 tried to pursue at some point. 529 00:20:16,005 --> 00:20:19,155 And now I've at the final one, which is professional fighting. 530 00:20:19,155 --> 00:20:20,475 That's always a dream of mine. 531 00:20:20,535 --> 00:20:20,745 Mm-hmm. 532 00:20:20,805 --> 00:20:21,315 As a kid. 533 00:20:21,765 --> 00:20:25,725 So I'm kind of ticking that off right now, which is an element of the book as well. 534 00:20:25,965 --> 00:20:28,935 But you got like the corporate espionage, you know, you could grow up 535 00:20:28,935 --> 00:20:32,595 watching Jason Bourne and James Bond and all the surveillance world stuff. 536 00:20:32,595 --> 00:20:35,145 I was mega keen and interested in all that. 537 00:20:35,235 --> 00:20:35,325 Mm-hmm. 538 00:20:35,335 --> 00:20:38,055 And then ended up doing it as a job, uh, not for the 539 00:20:38,085 --> 00:20:39,885 government in the private sector. 540 00:20:40,245 --> 00:20:46,095 Um, and obviously the military stuff, war fighting, it's, and then close 541 00:20:46,095 --> 00:20:50,655 protection, bodyguarding, all of these different disciplines have 542 00:20:50,655 --> 00:20:52,935 their own skill sets and trade that. 543 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:54,240 You can master. 544 00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:58,170 I actually say I'm a jack of all trades, master of none that I've worked with 545 00:20:58,170 --> 00:21:01,860 people in the intelligence side in MI five, that all they've done for 546 00:21:01,860 --> 00:21:03,750 their whole life is surveillance. 547 00:21:03,810 --> 00:21:05,340 Mm. And they are masters of it. 548 00:21:05,490 --> 00:21:09,480 Mm. And I've learnt from them and then I've moved onto somewhere else. 549 00:21:09,485 --> 00:21:09,555 Sure. 550 00:21:09,555 --> 00:21:13,380 You know, and then, yeah, I've picked up this and I've moved somewhere else 551 00:21:13,380 --> 00:21:17,280 and I've brought together all of these different elements into the book. 552 00:21:17,550 --> 00:21:22,710 So it is basically a guide for men in self-defense in all areas. 553 00:21:23,070 --> 00:21:25,890 There's nothing that I left out there actually. 554 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,610 The criticism of the book that I had is that I could have 555 00:21:29,610 --> 00:21:31,590 written two or three books. 556 00:21:31,620 --> 00:21:34,200 Mm. I didn't wanna, I'm not a marketing guy. 557 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,580 I'm not a businessman guy. 558 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:37,980 I want this to be my, my legacy. 559 00:21:37,980 --> 00:21:42,120 Like, if you wanna learn how to protect your family, then read this book. 560 00:21:42,150 --> 00:21:44,160 And it covers all these different subjects. 561 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,980 Gives you so many different options other than fighting. 562 00:21:46,980 --> 00:21:50,730 And then if it comes to fighting, it tells you what really works. 563 00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:53,310 So what is the full saying? 564 00:21:53,550 --> 00:21:55,560 Jack of all trades, master of none. 565 00:21:55,890 --> 00:21:58,530 But the full saying is, I don't actually know. 566 00:21:58,530 --> 00:22:00,900 It's still better off than just a master of one. 567 00:22:00,930 --> 00:22:01,500 Oh, it is? 568 00:22:01,500 --> 00:22:01,920 Yeah. 569 00:22:02,010 --> 00:22:05,250 So it's, uh, you know, everyone says the first part, but they don't, 570 00:22:05,340 --> 00:22:06,750 they don't talk with the last part. 571 00:22:06,750 --> 00:22:09,090 And it really is a good thing to be a jack of all. 572 00:22:09,090 --> 00:22:11,970 Like if you are just a master of just one thing and one thing only, 573 00:22:12,330 --> 00:22:15,090 man, you're at a disadvantage to the person who's a jack of All right. 574 00:22:15,095 --> 00:22:15,135 Yeah. 575 00:22:16,034 --> 00:22:17,175 Um, that's very true. 576 00:22:18,584 --> 00:22:22,155 So you talk about the primal role of a protector and you talk about it through 577 00:22:22,155 --> 00:22:26,774 history and kinda what it looks like and how modern life's dull the instincts 578 00:22:26,774 --> 00:22:30,824 of men, which they've relied on those instincts for thousands of years. 579 00:22:30,855 --> 00:22:34,544 What shifted in our culture that made this book necessary? 580 00:22:35,264 --> 00:22:36,074 I think it's been 581 00:22:36,074 --> 00:22:42,284 a push in recent years, um, against masculinity is evident. 582 00:22:42,284 --> 00:22:44,115 We, we know, we've all seen it, don't we? 583 00:22:44,115 --> 00:22:47,324 And that's why we see the rise of Andrew Tate. 584 00:22:47,355 --> 00:22:52,695 He has some good messages and some messages I don't really agree with, but 585 00:22:52,725 --> 00:22:57,195 the reason people are turning to him is 'cause he is, um, standing up for men. 586 00:22:57,195 --> 00:22:58,905 And what is natural to be a man? 587 00:22:58,905 --> 00:23:00,554 It's our primal instincts. 588 00:23:00,794 --> 00:23:02,504 Jordan Peterson's another advocate. 589 00:23:02,625 --> 00:23:02,715 Mm-hmm. 590 00:23:03,014 --> 00:23:06,225 Um, 'cause we're kind of getting squashed, um, over the years. 591 00:23:06,225 --> 00:23:11,955 It's like our instincts that we want to protect, provide, we're kind of 592 00:23:11,955 --> 00:23:13,754 getting told that we're not really. 593 00:23:14,340 --> 00:23:17,820 Needed to do that, or it's kind of overstepping the boundary in our 594 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:21,960 relationships when, you know, every man knows if someone's coming through your 595 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,449 front door at night, you are stepping up. 596 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:24,929 Mm-hmm. 597 00:23:25,199 --> 00:23:27,360 And you are expected to step up. 598 00:23:27,659 --> 00:23:28,139 Mm-hmm. 599 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:29,355 Do you know what I mean? 600 00:23:30,030 --> 00:23:35,370 So how does somebody step back into that role without being paranoid or having 601 00:23:35,370 --> 00:23:39,870 all this false bravado, like some of these, uh, DERO Tates of, of the world? 602 00:23:40,620 --> 00:23:42,030 Well, there's a lot of different techniques. 603 00:23:42,030 --> 00:23:42,810 They're all in the book. 604 00:23:44,100 --> 00:23:44,230 By the book. 605 00:23:45,270 --> 00:23:45,659 Yeah. 606 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,510 But it's a very vast subject. 607 00:23:48,510 --> 00:23:50,250 'cause there's different character types. 608 00:23:50,250 --> 00:23:52,395 I've got into a lot of trouble when I was younger. 609 00:23:52,395 --> 00:23:52,754 Mm-hmm. 610 00:23:52,754 --> 00:23:58,379 I think a lot of it now that I'm a bit older is because I'm quite softly spoken. 611 00:23:58,379 --> 00:24:01,260 I don't have that alpha male presence about me. 612 00:24:01,260 --> 00:24:04,590 I don't really speak up, stand at the front, try and lead. 613 00:24:04,770 --> 00:24:04,860 Mm-hmm. 614 00:24:04,919 --> 00:24:10,500 So kind of people see my kindness and see it as weakness or my calm. 615 00:24:11,310 --> 00:24:14,220 I've been stepped over a lot of times and disrespected, and then 616 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,730 all of a sudden they realize, oh shit, he isn't a walkover. 617 00:24:17,730 --> 00:24:18,300 Do you know what I mean? 618 00:24:18,420 --> 00:24:19,770 Mm. But different people are. 619 00:24:21,149 --> 00:24:24,810 More accustomed to do different things, different personality types. 620 00:24:25,050 --> 00:24:28,409 Like some people have the gift of the gab, they can talk their way out of 621 00:24:28,409 --> 00:24:34,830 situations, and you should really lean on your strengths in the book and in life. 622 00:24:34,860 --> 00:24:38,550 We have different strengths, but we can learn about the other trades, 623 00:24:38,970 --> 00:24:43,080 uh, the other different techniques, but also from like, pick out what you 624 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,939 are good at and then master those. 625 00:24:44,939 --> 00:24:46,470 And these are your go-to moves. 626 00:24:46,530 --> 00:24:46,770 Mm-hmm. 627 00:24:46,889 --> 00:24:48,365 Especially when it comes to fighting like. 628 00:24:48,990 --> 00:24:50,160 That's something else I talk about. 629 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:54,780 Just having your go-to moves, you don't need 30 different techniques you probably 630 00:24:54,780 --> 00:24:57,780 ever maybe get into an altercation once. 631 00:24:57,930 --> 00:24:58,680 Hopefully not. 632 00:24:58,980 --> 00:25:01,380 But if you do, you just need one thing that works to get 633 00:25:01,380 --> 00:25:03,000 yourself outta that situation. 634 00:25:03,390 --> 00:25:06,330 Um, a straight jab, straight right hand. 635 00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:06,690 Yeah. 636 00:25:06,690 --> 00:25:08,070 That was my go-to move. 637 00:25:08,220 --> 00:25:09,870 Used it many, many times. 638 00:25:10,020 --> 00:25:11,310 It got me out on a lot of shit, 639 00:25:11,910 --> 00:25:12,270 you know? 640 00:25:12,330 --> 00:25:13,470 Yeah, yeah. 641 00:25:13,470 --> 00:25:16,410 Mine, uh, growing up was always just to choke the person unconscious. 642 00:25:17,010 --> 00:25:17,340 There you go. 643 00:25:17,340 --> 00:25:19,740 I mean, yeah, I'm, I'm a big guy. 644 00:25:19,740 --> 00:25:19,800 Yeah. 645 00:25:19,860 --> 00:25:25,590 And you know, as long as you can get within my reach and I can use what 646 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:29,250 I have, my reach and my strength to my advantage, I don't wanna be 647 00:25:29,250 --> 00:25:30,660 slugging it out back and forth. 648 00:25:30,870 --> 00:25:32,610 They always woke up again afterwards. 649 00:25:32,610 --> 00:25:35,280 But it allows you the opportunity to, to leave. 650 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:39,090 And if they're lying on the ground, waking up unconscious or sometimes they crap 651 00:25:39,090 --> 00:25:44,550 themselves and it's, you know, you held on a little bit too long and, uh, but I, you 652 00:25:44,550 --> 00:25:46,260 know, you touch on a few things in there. 653 00:25:46,770 --> 00:25:50,790 Uh, in the book that spoke to me because I, I never had the gift of the gab. 654 00:25:50,909 --> 00:25:52,889 I've got a podcast now, right? 655 00:25:52,889 --> 00:25:57,629 But I still don't feel like I have the gift of the gab, and it's not my 656 00:25:57,629 --> 00:26:00,360 first thing that I, I tend to rely on. 657 00:26:00,990 --> 00:26:03,840 I will process things really quickly. 658 00:26:03,929 --> 00:26:06,720 I tend to be able to see things faster. 659 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,870 Maybe it's the A DHD thing, and I can use that to my advantage. 660 00:26:10,290 --> 00:26:13,620 But I'm also 6 6 2 40 now. 661 00:26:13,620 --> 00:26:15,960 I was two 50, uh, 240 pounds. 662 00:26:16,620 --> 00:26:20,490 And uh, growing up I was always a target. 663 00:26:20,700 --> 00:26:22,620 Everyone looked at, oh, there's, everyone says, oh, you 664 00:26:22,620 --> 00:26:23,550 probably never get in fights. 665 00:26:23,550 --> 00:26:24,270 I'm like, I wish. 666 00:26:24,270 --> 00:26:27,330 Why is it these like little guys come in and all they wanted, do 667 00:26:27,330 --> 00:26:28,920 they get their friends behind 'em? 668 00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:31,950 'cause now they've got some courage, maybe some liquid courage. 669 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,600 They look for the one soft spoken person who's not out there trying 670 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,340 to antagonize or do anything. 671 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,260 Ah, I know, I'll take him down. 672 00:26:40,350 --> 00:26:40,740 Right? 673 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:41,700 Yeah. 674 00:26:41,700 --> 00:26:42,540 And it's, track it. 675 00:26:42,810 --> 00:26:43,350 Yeah. 676 00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:48,300 And I, I would be like, you know, it'd be like flies to crap, shit magnet, shit 677 00:26:48,300 --> 00:26:50,430 magnet over and over and over again. 678 00:26:50,670 --> 00:26:57,360 So I had to learn how to, uh, spot it ahead of time, how to swallow my ego. 679 00:26:57,360 --> 00:26:59,850 And maybe it's time to leave 'cause things are gonna get outta hand. 680 00:27:00,570 --> 00:27:06,330 And if things were gonna get outta hand, how to act very fast and very violently, 681 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:11,460 because I've been in it with multiple people and it doesn't fare so well. 682 00:27:11,970 --> 00:27:14,610 But if you can get your hands on one of 'em and you can make 683 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:18,360 a big enough spectacle out of that, the other ones will be. 684 00:27:19,169 --> 00:27:20,669 But they tend not to step in. 685 00:27:21,899 --> 00:27:21,990 Yeah, 686 00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:22,439 that's 687 00:27:22,530 --> 00:27:23,429 that's very true. 688 00:27:23,639 --> 00:27:25,679 I have experience of that in my life as well. 689 00:27:25,679 --> 00:27:25,949 Sure. 690 00:27:25,949 --> 00:27:26,459 I know you do. 691 00:27:27,750 --> 00:27:29,580 I've had to fight multiple people. 692 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,050 Uh, at times I had a reputation when I was younger, so people would come to 693 00:27:34,050 --> 00:27:38,490 my town and we'd either have arranged fights or you'd be in your normal places 694 00:27:38,490 --> 00:27:42,060 on the night out and then a new lads, lad lads would come in and like be 695 00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:48,030 barging people and starting things and uh, if I ever want to send a message, 696 00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:50,580 I would have a go-to move to do that. 697 00:27:50,580 --> 00:27:53,220 And that would be the old Glasgow kiss? 698 00:27:53,730 --> 00:27:53,939 Mm, yes. 699 00:27:53,939 --> 00:27:54,389 You know that. 700 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:54,929 Yeah. 701 00:27:54,929 --> 00:27:54,939 Yeah. 702 00:27:55,169 --> 00:27:59,790 Headbutt, which is kind of a real savage and shocking thing to do, 703 00:27:59,790 --> 00:28:01,679 but that is the purpose of it. 704 00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:02,129 Mm-hmm. 705 00:28:02,370 --> 00:28:06,600 If you're going up against a few people, then you need to really shock 'em. 706 00:28:06,629 --> 00:28:07,110 You need to. 707 00:28:07,815 --> 00:28:10,395 Make them know that you are an absolute lunatic. 708 00:28:10,425 --> 00:28:13,155 'cause not everyone has that fight in mentality. 709 00:28:13,335 --> 00:28:16,845 Mm. There'll be people on the sidelines that will be looking in and they will be 710 00:28:16,845 --> 00:28:20,925 deterred if you go absolutely animalistic. 711 00:28:21,044 --> 00:28:21,465 Yeah. 712 00:28:21,495 --> 00:28:22,995 There is a time and a place for that. 713 00:28:23,085 --> 00:28:26,085 If you need to fight your way out somewhere, then there is 714 00:28:26,085 --> 00:28:27,135 a time and a place for that. 715 00:28:27,615 --> 00:28:28,095 Um, 716 00:28:29,985 --> 00:28:34,754 yeah, I don't do that anymore, but what I really like about the book is how it 717 00:28:34,754 --> 00:28:39,044 helps fill in the blanks for somebody like myself growing up who didn't have 718 00:28:39,044 --> 00:28:43,425 the gift or the gab, and you can show people how to rely on other things. 719 00:28:44,145 --> 00:28:51,375 Like enhance situational awareness, like maybe a little bit of, uh, establishing 720 00:28:51,375 --> 00:28:54,345 a baseline, seeing if you should be there, how, how to swallow your ego. 721 00:28:54,525 --> 00:28:58,365 All of these like little things that uh, maybe some people know intuitively. 722 00:28:58,395 --> 00:29:01,695 I think a lot of people, especially men when they're younger, right, 723 00:29:02,355 --> 00:29:06,765 they're young, they're dumb, lots of testosterone going, and, uh, 724 00:29:06,795 --> 00:29:10,965 sometimes that, that overrides the gut instinct, which you also talk 725 00:29:10,965 --> 00:29:12,825 about, which is a very powerful thing. 726 00:29:13,065 --> 00:29:13,395 Yeah. 727 00:29:13,575 --> 00:29:16,695 Intuition and instinct, I think of closely tired. 728 00:29:16,935 --> 00:29:17,025 Mm-hmm. 729 00:29:17,265 --> 00:29:22,425 And especially for women, actually, they, intuition should really be listened to 730 00:29:22,695 --> 00:29:26,900 and men, but women need it more than men because they don't typically have 731 00:29:26,985 --> 00:29:28,755 that fighting capability to back it up. 732 00:29:28,755 --> 00:29:32,025 And a lot of predators target women. 733 00:29:32,355 --> 00:29:37,725 So with intuition, uh, I talk about the science behind it and how I 734 00:29:37,725 --> 00:29:41,715 believe it's instinct that are subconscious mind is picking up on. 735 00:29:42,255 --> 00:29:46,995 Visual signs, behaviors that are conscious mind is probably not 736 00:29:46,995 --> 00:29:49,185 recognizing, but there's something there that's getting triggered. 737 00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:49,340 Mm-hmm. 738 00:29:49,340 --> 00:29:49,350 Mm-hmm. 739 00:29:49,575 --> 00:29:53,265 And it could come at you in many different ways and just to listen 740 00:29:53,265 --> 00:29:57,015 to it, you know, especially if your wife would say, I don't really have 741 00:29:57,015 --> 00:29:59,445 a good feeling about that guy that. 742 00:29:59,925 --> 00:30:02,205 Business partner maybe that you just met. 743 00:30:02,475 --> 00:30:05,805 Mm. Or that guy at the door, you know, just listen to it is 744 00:30:05,805 --> 00:30:07,935 something to be thoughtful of. 745 00:30:08,535 --> 00:30:12,255 Um, 'cause these are things we kind of neglect these days, but 746 00:30:12,255 --> 00:30:15,225 there is actually science behind it, which I go through in the book. 747 00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:15,240 Mm-hmm. 748 00:30:15,525 --> 00:30:18,465 It's been studied and it's seen to be a real thing. 749 00:30:19,035 --> 00:30:21,465 Have you ever read Gavin de Becker's book, the Gift of Fear? 750 00:30:22,155 --> 00:30:22,665 Yeah, I have. 751 00:30:22,665 --> 00:30:22,725 Yeah. 752 00:30:22,725 --> 00:30:23,670 It's a great book. 753 00:30:23,895 --> 00:30:24,645 It's a great book. 754 00:30:24,645 --> 00:30:27,285 I mean, it's a really good marketing tool for Gavin de Becker too. 755 00:30:27,285 --> 00:30:30,375 Like, I had a hard time getting through all of the, and the 756 00:30:30,375 --> 00:30:31,635 Gavin De Becker Institute. 757 00:30:31,710 --> 00:30:32,470 And the Gavin de Becker. 758 00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:32,670 Right. 759 00:30:32,730 --> 00:30:34,305 And on and on and on it went. 760 00:30:34,605 --> 00:30:38,865 But, uh, the, the fundamental underwriting thing was how you listen 761 00:30:38,865 --> 00:30:43,365 to that women's intuition, that gut feeling and helps kind of flash it out. 762 00:30:43,844 --> 00:30:46,725 You've taken what his thick book is. 763 00:30:46,725 --> 00:30:51,014 You've pulled out all the advertisement, you've put your own experiences behind it, 764 00:30:51,014 --> 00:30:55,604 and I think you've pulled really a lot of the core ideas behind there, which is, uh, 765 00:30:56,145 --> 00:30:59,625 will save people if they're, if they're interested in this sort of thing from, 766 00:30:59,625 --> 00:31:03,675 um, weeding through the muck and, and just pulling out those key insights quickly. 767 00:31:04,064 --> 00:31:06,044 Yeah, that was the point of the book, really. 768 00:31:06,044 --> 00:31:06,104 Yeah. 769 00:31:06,195 --> 00:31:10,334 Like he's written this whole, I don't know, 200 pages on basically 770 00:31:10,334 --> 00:31:14,145 intuition where that is a little part of it, but it's not the whole picture. 771 00:31:14,264 --> 00:31:14,354 Mm-hmm. 772 00:31:14,594 --> 00:31:18,495 So I'm collating all these different things and actually give a little nod 773 00:31:18,554 --> 00:31:22,455 to him in my book because he's, it is good to go and do that research. 774 00:31:22,814 --> 00:31:25,455 Um, on the intuition side, 775 00:31:25,725 --> 00:31:25,965 well, what do 776 00:31:25,965 --> 00:31:27,284 you think the biggest misunderstanding 777 00:31:27,284 --> 00:31:27,915 civilians 778 00:31:27,915 --> 00:31:29,534 have about modern threats? 779 00:31:30,854 --> 00:31:31,814 Uh, a lot of people. 780 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,870 Just think that it's never gonna happen. 781 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,490 That violence has never happened. 782 00:31:35,820 --> 00:31:37,890 It's normalcy violence. 783 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,180 Oh that's never happened round here. 784 00:31:39,180 --> 00:31:40,530 So it is never gonna happen. 785 00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:44,640 And we see this with terrorist attacks in particular. 786 00:31:45,180 --> 00:31:51,390 Um, which is actually the reason why I started Six Sight and writing this book. 787 00:31:51,390 --> 00:31:53,520 It was, I actually look back, it's like seven years ago that 788 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:54,510 I started writing the book. 789 00:31:54,810 --> 00:32:00,210 When I first put pen to paper, it was when I was just left live living in London. 790 00:32:00,420 --> 00:32:04,770 And anyone that know lives in London knows of the terror threat and the different 791 00:32:04,770 --> 00:32:08,760 types of attacks and what you should watch out for and stuff to some degree. 792 00:32:09,060 --> 00:32:12,270 Obviously I was on the other side of it and defender role in the 793 00:32:12,270 --> 00:32:15,330 military and I went to briefings, so I knew a little bit more. 794 00:32:15,330 --> 00:32:22,350 So like, but when I recently, I put up a picture on my Instagram about the barriers 795 00:32:22,350 --> 00:32:26,850 on Oxford Street, these big yellow metal barriers and these big concrete bollards. 796 00:32:27,090 --> 00:32:30,840 I had multiple people messaging me saying, I'm confused. 797 00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:34,439 I don't understand that's gonna stop a terrorist 'cause they're 798 00:32:34,439 --> 00:32:36,780 thinking of active shooters. 799 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:37,200 Sure. 800 00:32:37,230 --> 00:32:38,580 These were Americans mainly. 801 00:32:38,700 --> 00:32:38,909 Yeah. 802 00:32:39,030 --> 00:32:42,060 Um, 'cause they don't really understand the vehicle ram in 803 00:32:42,060 --> 00:32:43,860 threat, which is the biggest threat. 804 00:32:43,980 --> 00:32:44,760 It's the most common. 805 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:50,250 We've already had one this year in, in, um, a Christmas market in Paris. 806 00:32:50,250 --> 00:32:50,790 I think it was. 807 00:32:50,790 --> 00:32:51,870 It was somewhere in France. 808 00:32:52,350 --> 00:32:55,710 And the reason it is the biggest threat is 'cause it's so easy, you know, 809 00:32:55,710 --> 00:32:59,909 everyone's got a vehicle, anyone could rent a car and right up until the point 810 00:32:59,909 --> 00:33:03,720 where you're mounting a curb and then you are a deadly weapon at that point. 811 00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:03,840 Mm-hmm. 812 00:33:04,110 --> 00:33:05,189 How can you detect that? 813 00:33:05,550 --> 00:33:10,200 Well, the only counter as an individual is having good situational awareness 814 00:33:10,379 --> 00:33:14,790 and having a plan of what to do and having some knowledge about 815 00:33:14,939 --> 00:33:18,300 the environment you're in, which is again, situational awareness. 816 00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:18,419 Mm-hmm. 817 00:33:18,659 --> 00:33:23,100 So if you are at a Christmas parade or Christmas market, if you are the. 818 00:33:23,580 --> 00:33:28,050 Man of the family, then it is your job to protect everyone else. 819 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,910 No one else is gonna be thinking about it. 820 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,810 It's just this book has given you the tools to like, oh look, there's 821 00:33:33,810 --> 00:33:35,880 a concrete bollard over there. 822 00:33:36,060 --> 00:33:38,940 If something happens, if I hear the screeching, which I'm listening out 823 00:33:38,940 --> 00:33:42,660 for anything above the baseline, if I hear a roaring of an engine, 824 00:33:42,660 --> 00:33:46,080 something abnormal in that environment, then I'm gonna grab my kids. 825 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,380 I'm go into behind that bollard or into this alleyway. 826 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,150 My exit is that way when I walk into the parade ground or the area. 827 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,230 Are there concrete barriers that are gonna stop a vehicle ram and 828 00:33:58,230 --> 00:33:59,610 attacks, they can't even get down it? 829 00:33:59,670 --> 00:34:03,570 Or is it just a, I dunno, some traffic cones, which aren't gonna stop a thing? 830 00:34:03,575 --> 00:34:03,725 Mm-hmm. 831 00:34:03,805 --> 00:34:04,290 You know what I mean? 832 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,300 Um, all these concepts are. 833 00:34:06,825 --> 00:34:07,575 I explain. 834 00:34:07,635 --> 00:34:11,415 'cause I, I've had to think about, and being from London and living in that 835 00:34:11,415 --> 00:34:14,475 environment, it's kind of quite common. 836 00:34:14,654 --> 00:34:16,935 Well, we had one here recently in Vancouver, didn't we? 837 00:34:16,935 --> 00:34:19,904 Yeah, it was a Filipino street festival. 838 00:34:20,085 --> 00:34:22,034 Um, quite a few died, I can't remember. 839 00:34:22,034 --> 00:34:24,675 But it was, it was very high number of deaths. 840 00:34:24,795 --> 00:34:26,654 And, uh, some children as well. 841 00:34:27,225 --> 00:34:30,284 So that's just the reality of the threats today. 842 00:34:30,435 --> 00:34:34,185 Indiscriminate, plowing through a family event. 843 00:34:34,275 --> 00:34:35,565 It's horrendous. 844 00:34:36,465 --> 00:34:41,804 Um, well you, you talk about situational awareness both from, and, and what I 845 00:34:41,804 --> 00:34:47,565 really liked was, uh, and leaning on your, uh, executive protection and surveillance 846 00:34:47,565 --> 00:34:52,455 side and sharing some of the skills that you would use when following somebody. 847 00:34:52,514 --> 00:34:57,255 And not, because everyone's gonna go out and start following people, but if 848 00:34:57,255 --> 00:35:01,005 you have an understanding of some of the principles and tactics that are used, 849 00:35:01,005 --> 00:35:04,605 it gives you a better understanding of, are other people following me? 850 00:35:05,205 --> 00:35:05,475 Um. 851 00:35:06,030 --> 00:35:09,480 Why do you think predators are so good at spotting who they can attack? 852 00:35:10,410 --> 00:35:11,070 They, 853 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,470 uh, yeah, that's predators. 854 00:35:13,470 --> 00:35:17,220 In the animal world and the human world, they're exactly the same. 855 00:35:17,220 --> 00:35:20,160 They use following what I call the predator attack cycle. 856 00:35:20,460 --> 00:35:23,970 So they're even in the recon phase, they're out there on the hunt for 857 00:35:23,970 --> 00:35:28,860 victims, maybe that be a pickpocket, maybe that would be a, a mugger or a rapist. 858 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,080 So they're looking for a certain victim type. 859 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,590 It's all a risk versus reward kind of thing. 860 00:35:34,620 --> 00:35:39,630 If you can outweigh them with risks, looking like you can handle yourself, 861 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:43,500 being aware of your surroundings as well as not being in the wrong places 862 00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:44,640 at the wrong times and all that. 863 00:35:45,090 --> 00:35:49,020 But at a glance, if they look at you and they think, oh, maybe that guy. 864 00:35:49,575 --> 00:35:50,865 He's got a bit of muscle on him. 865 00:35:51,134 --> 00:35:54,314 Maybe he looks like he's ex-military, which is another thing I talk about. 866 00:35:54,345 --> 00:35:54,464 Mm-hmm. 867 00:35:54,855 --> 00:35:56,115 Like the gray man tactic. 868 00:35:56,115 --> 00:35:59,714 You can try and blend into environments if you're in a foreign country, to not look 869 00:35:59,714 --> 00:36:04,305 like an outsider, not look like a tourist, but you can use, flip that over and try 870 00:36:04,305 --> 00:36:06,615 and look like a formidable deterrent. 871 00:36:06,734 --> 00:36:10,430 You can look like someone that they don't wanna mess with wearing like 872 00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:13,245 the black watch the right, yeah. 873 00:36:13,245 --> 00:36:13,785 SBS 874 00:36:13,785 --> 00:36:14,415 T-shirt. 875 00:36:14,475 --> 00:36:15,075 You gotta do it. 876 00:36:15,404 --> 00:36:17,024 Hey, sta is on the podcast. 877 00:36:17,024 --> 00:36:19,875 I saw that sent some over, and so I figured, well, you 878 00:36:19,875 --> 00:36:21,915 know, I gotta represent. 879 00:36:21,944 --> 00:36:22,334 Yeah, 880 00:36:22,395 --> 00:36:23,895 no, it's such high quality gear, 881 00:36:23,895 --> 00:36:24,165 isn't it? 882 00:36:24,165 --> 00:36:25,845 I just wish I could afford more of it. 883 00:36:25,875 --> 00:36:28,964 I know, but that's the thing, it's, it's such high quality. 884 00:36:28,964 --> 00:36:29,955 You pay for the quality. 885 00:36:29,955 --> 00:36:30,645 That's it, you know? 886 00:36:30,649 --> 00:36:30,830 Mm-hmm. 887 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:31,940 But yeah. 888 00:36:32,089 --> 00:36:32,600 Um, 889 00:36:33,230 --> 00:36:36,440 I lost my trail of thought then, but yeah, how you can not only look 890 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,440 out for other people, how you can be the gray man, but how you can also 891 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,680 use that information to project an image that you're a hard target. 892 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:43,370 Yeah. 893 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,710 And these are all deterrent techniques that you can use, 894 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,620 um, and pass down to your 895 00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:49,430 children. 896 00:36:49,700 --> 00:36:53,089 The one that I thought was kind of interesting, and so you talked about 897 00:36:53,089 --> 00:36:54,500 it, and this is going back a bit. 898 00:36:54,589 --> 00:36:57,500 You've got a YouTube channel, anyone who's listed, definitely 899 00:36:57,500 --> 00:36:58,609 check out the YouTube channel. 900 00:36:58,609 --> 00:37:03,049 There's short snippets and Sonny puts himself into some pretty interesting 901 00:37:03,049 --> 00:37:07,460 situations so you can follow along and kind of see what it looks like, you know, 902 00:37:07,460 --> 00:37:11,089 going down through the downtown east side or going through crime neighborhoods 903 00:37:11,089 --> 00:37:16,790 in California or around the world, and sort of what a, uh, person in his 904 00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:21,440 role would be looking out for micd up and hidden camera and all the rest. 905 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,259 They're, they're fun to watch, but, um. 906 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,490 You know, I remember an older TikTok before TikTok thought that this sort 907 00:37:29,490 --> 00:37:33,060 of information was too dangerous for the average viewer to have. 908 00:37:33,060 --> 00:37:35,040 And I think your account ended up getting pulled. 909 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:35,790 But, uh, it is, yeah. 910 00:37:36,300 --> 00:37:42,570 Um, the, um, uh, carrying yourself in such a way, there's that fine line. 911 00:37:42,570 --> 00:37:46,800 So if you're gonna be the gray man and you're kind of blending in, but you don't 912 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,980 wanna look like the victim, so you're gonna have, like, you, you can carry 913 00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:52,830 yourself, hold yourself, but you also don't want to be the guy who's hardey. 914 00:37:53,130 --> 00:37:55,560 Everybody who's coming down the street like, oh, you mess with me. 915 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,250 I'm gonna be tough. 916 00:37:56,595 --> 00:37:58,035 Because now you flip that script. 917 00:37:58,064 --> 00:38:04,335 Now maybe somebody who wasn't necessarily interested in, uh, approaching you, maybe 918 00:38:04,335 --> 00:38:07,515 their ego starts kicking in and maybe, oh, who's this person think they are? 919 00:38:07,515 --> 00:38:08,384 They're on my turf. 920 00:38:08,384 --> 00:38:08,984 They think they're tough. 921 00:38:09,495 --> 00:38:10,935 And you're inviting that to you. 922 00:38:11,234 --> 00:38:14,955 And, uh, you would talk a little bit about, I remember in the old tiktoks 923 00:38:14,984 --> 00:38:17,625 about, uh, how you make eye contact. 924 00:38:17,625 --> 00:38:21,464 How much, how long you make eye contact for, how you glance away, not down, 925 00:38:21,464 --> 00:38:25,845 look over just little, little tricks that a lot of people don't think about. 926 00:38:26,294 --> 00:38:26,685 Yeah. 927 00:38:26,685 --> 00:38:28,754 I There's been studies on it. 928 00:38:28,845 --> 00:38:33,975 Mm. Uh, they used, they took a, a videotape of just an intersection in 929 00:38:33,975 --> 00:38:38,595 New York of people walking past, and then they took that to convicted. 930 00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:44,100 Criminals, predators, muggers, rapists, robbers, violent criminals that 931 00:38:44,100 --> 00:38:45,750 would do that stuff with violence. 932 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,230 And they showed them the video tape and asked which ones they would wanna 933 00:38:49,230 --> 00:38:51,450 target, who would be their victim types. 934 00:38:51,450 --> 00:38:54,090 And they studied the ones they picked, and there was patterns. 935 00:38:54,090 --> 00:38:56,310 And it weren't always women, it was actually women. 936 00:38:56,340 --> 00:38:58,320 Gender wasn't even really considered. 937 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,510 It was how that person carried themself. 938 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,750 And actually where they were looking was a big thing. 939 00:39:04,020 --> 00:39:08,970 Like looking down at the floor, one of the most prolific serial killers, 940 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,240 I think it was Ted Bundy, said on an interview that he would choose 941 00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:14,050 his victims, by the way that she. 942 00:39:14,385 --> 00:39:18,195 Her head tilted as she walked, like as she was looking at 943 00:39:18,195 --> 00:39:19,695 the ground, she wasn't aware. 944 00:39:19,755 --> 00:39:21,645 It's kind of a submissive trait as well. 945 00:39:21,675 --> 00:39:22,035 Sure. 946 00:39:22,065 --> 00:39:24,525 So I do go into the con eye contact thing. 947 00:39:24,525 --> 00:39:26,595 It's quite a delicate subject. 948 00:39:26,955 --> 00:39:31,245 If someone is targeting you, say you're about, I used to live in Brixton, London. 949 00:39:31,305 --> 00:39:32,745 It's quite a rough area. 950 00:39:33,285 --> 00:39:36,555 If you're coming up to a group of lads and they're like chatting and then they 951 00:39:36,555 --> 00:39:40,155 stop talking and one of them's like looking at you, if you get your head 952 00:39:40,215 --> 00:39:43,875 down and you're like, oh fuck, I don't want to go through this situation shit. 953 00:39:44,055 --> 00:39:46,215 They can sense that nervousness. 954 00:39:46,215 --> 00:39:49,875 They know, right, this, this guy can be prayed on. 955 00:39:49,935 --> 00:39:51,555 It's that instinctual thing. 956 00:39:52,185 --> 00:39:53,935 If you are calm, you are. 957 00:39:54,375 --> 00:39:57,060 Fine in that environment, you are used to it, you're an insider. 958 00:39:57,390 --> 00:40:02,160 You just walk relaxed with your shoulders back, head up, you glance 959 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,080 eye contact, keep looking ahead. 960 00:40:04,410 --> 00:40:09,030 Even in those situations, I would actually say hello in a local greeting. 961 00:40:09,330 --> 00:40:10,860 Mm. Because that kind of throw them off. 962 00:40:11,070 --> 00:40:15,900 And if you're throwing them off of their thought process, then they're thinking, 963 00:40:15,900 --> 00:40:18,540 well, maybe this guy isn't such a victim. 964 00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:22,890 And even if they are gonna attack you, if they are gonna hurt you, right, then 965 00:40:23,310 --> 00:40:25,230 you're getting that read off 'em earlier. 966 00:40:25,380 --> 00:40:26,610 Mm. Because they're further away. 967 00:40:26,820 --> 00:40:30,780 If you say hello and a smile something, A smile is very good tactics. 968 00:40:30,780 --> 00:40:32,130 We use that in close protection. 969 00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:35,370 'cause people were like, it throws 'em off for a second and then after 970 00:40:35,370 --> 00:40:38,460 that second you're gone anyway with your client and they're like, oh, oh. 971 00:40:38,460 --> 00:40:39,030 And then you're gone. 972 00:40:39,180 --> 00:40:40,140 You're not waiting around. 973 00:40:40,140 --> 00:40:40,710 Do you know what I mean? 974 00:40:40,740 --> 00:40:40,890 Sure. 975 00:40:40,890 --> 00:40:42,780 And in this situation, you're just walking past. 976 00:40:43,290 --> 00:40:46,020 So a nice greeting, a friendly greeting can throw them off. 977 00:40:46,020 --> 00:40:49,860 But if they are in, they're, they're gonna attack you, then they're 978 00:40:49,860 --> 00:40:51,270 not gonna react in a right way. 979 00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:53,130 They're gonna not, uh. 980 00:40:53,550 --> 00:40:56,520 React to that greeting or they're gonna move forward. 981 00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,690 And then you've got the read on them before they're within your personal space. 982 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:00,810 Mm-hmm. 983 00:41:01,050 --> 00:41:01,980 And then you can use a different 984 00:41:01,980 --> 00:41:02,700 tactic. 985 00:41:03,180 --> 00:41:06,390 So you outline the phases that predators use, and in your book you 986 00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:08,250 talk about recon targeting stock strike. 987 00:41:09,615 --> 00:41:12,675 Can you kind of touch on those, walk the listeners through a little bit 988 00:41:12,675 --> 00:41:14,085 about what those stages look like? 989 00:41:14,205 --> 00:41:14,505 Yeah. 990 00:41:14,565 --> 00:41:19,215 So the recon phase is when they're out there looking for targets, say 991 00:41:19,215 --> 00:41:22,575 like a pickpocket, it's walking around busy areas, markets, and 992 00:41:22,575 --> 00:41:24,465 they're like scanning basically. 993 00:41:24,795 --> 00:41:29,415 And that could be someone standing up on the side, on the back wall practicing 994 00:41:29,415 --> 00:41:31,215 situational awareness themselves. 995 00:41:31,515 --> 00:41:34,515 'cause they are either looking for victims, but they're 996 00:41:34,515 --> 00:41:36,645 also looking for the police. 997 00:41:36,645 --> 00:41:37,575 They don't wanna be caught. 998 00:41:37,635 --> 00:41:39,615 These are the people that are trying to get valuables 999 00:41:39,615 --> 00:41:41,715 from you, robbery situations. 1000 00:41:42,105 --> 00:41:46,185 And then say you're walking past, uh, a group of pickpockets in a market, 1001 00:41:46,875 --> 00:41:50,025 they'll spot something that they like so they start targeting you. 1002 00:41:50,415 --> 00:41:55,275 Um, maybe you've got valuables on display, maybe you've got your headphones in or 1003 00:41:55,275 --> 00:42:00,300 you're distracted looking at paintings in a. Window then they're targeting you. 1004 00:42:00,510 --> 00:42:01,980 Can they get what they want from you? 1005 00:42:02,190 --> 00:42:06,180 Do they, do you look like you could be a danger to them? 1006 00:42:06,450 --> 00:42:08,880 Does the risk outweigh the reward? 1007 00:42:09,450 --> 00:42:09,900 Mm-hmm. 1008 00:42:10,350 --> 00:42:11,910 And then they go into the stalk. 1009 00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:13,140 So they gotta move closer. 1010 00:42:13,500 --> 00:42:16,020 And they could be gaining information at that time. 1011 00:42:16,410 --> 00:42:19,770 They will be, or they could be, if it's a violent attack, then the 1012 00:42:19,770 --> 00:42:22,920 stalk would be very apparent 'cause they'll be moving with the purpose 1013 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,200 of violence as the intention. 1014 00:42:25,590 --> 00:42:30,210 And their body language will show that if you are aware enough to see it. 1015 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:30,720 Mm-hmm. 1016 00:42:30,780 --> 00:42:33,870 And then the strike phase is the attack itself. 1017 00:42:34,170 --> 00:42:38,310 And if you're detecting it at that point, then you've failed. 1018 00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:41,820 Like this is where close protection we aim not to be. 1019 00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,360 Um, you're on the back foot, you don't really know what's going on. 1020 00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:49,530 But the point of the predator attack phases is to show that you have. 1021 00:42:49,860 --> 00:42:55,170 All these options and time to see, uh, to spot a predecessor if you're 1022 00:42:55,170 --> 00:42:56,430 looking in the right direction. 1023 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:56,730 Mm-hmm. 1024 00:42:56,970 --> 00:43:00,480 So I'm, I'm aiming to give you the tools to spot them before they 1025 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:01,590 target you. 1026 00:43:01,950 --> 00:43:05,250 Now, you do something in your YouTube videos, you talk about these things in 1027 00:43:05,250 --> 00:43:09,240 your book, and you're, you're doing what? 1028 00:43:09,300 --> 00:43:11,790 So as a kid, my dad would take me downtown, we'd play 1029 00:43:11,790 --> 00:43:13,050 a game of hawks and pigeons. 1030 00:43:13,380 --> 00:43:15,030 I think we talked about that one before. 1031 00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:19,260 But the goal was, as a kid, he had to spot who the hawks were and who the 1032 00:43:19,260 --> 00:43:24,180 pigeons were, who the targets were, who the victims would most likely be, 1033 00:43:24,180 --> 00:43:27,060 and who, or the, the, uh, predators. 1034 00:43:27,810 --> 00:43:32,160 And uh, that's something like going through the book. 1035 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,220 People can look at this and they can apply this as they're taking the bus. 1036 00:43:35,220 --> 00:43:39,510 They can apply it as they're going on the sky train, walking downtown, wherever. 1037 00:43:40,050 --> 00:43:44,400 Who's the other people who are doing the similar thing to me and those other. 1038 00:43:44,820 --> 00:43:47,880 Hawks who are situationally aware, they tend to be able 1039 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,500 to spot you pretty quick too. 1040 00:43:49,530 --> 00:43:50,820 Doing the exact same thing. 1041 00:43:51,180 --> 00:43:52,020 Yeah, you do. 1042 00:43:52,110 --> 00:43:54,510 And you, you'll find yourself spotting criminals. 1043 00:43:54,570 --> 00:43:54,660 Mm-hmm. 1044 00:43:54,660 --> 00:43:58,110 Especially pit pockets and dodgy people you wanna stay away from. 1045 00:43:58,170 --> 00:43:58,440 Mm-hmm. 1046 00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,670 And you'll find yourself spotting ex-military blokes, police officers, 1047 00:44:02,670 --> 00:44:04,260 even undercover police officers. 1048 00:44:04,305 --> 00:44:04,705 Mm-hmm. 1049 00:44:05,070 --> 00:44:06,690 'cause they can't turn it off. 1050 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:07,050 Nope. 1051 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:09,390 And yeah. 1052 00:44:09,390 --> 00:44:11,940 Other protectors, you know, uh, yeah. 1053 00:44:11,940 --> 00:44:12,840 It's easy to spot. 1054 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,180 And once you start practicing these skills, these daily 1055 00:44:15,180 --> 00:44:17,670 habits, then yeah, it's good. 1056 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,450 It's, it's a fun game to play, especially if you're on vacation, you wanna spot the 1057 00:44:21,450 --> 00:44:27,360 pickpockets, but also a, it's a deterrent that's always a force field around you. 1058 00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,440 Mm. Because, uh, it just shows that you are not. 1059 00:44:32,085 --> 00:44:34,035 An easy victim, no one 1060 00:44:34,035 --> 00:44:35,024 can get the drop on you. 1061 00:44:35,865 --> 00:44:38,805 You put something in the book that I hadn't, uh, I probably should 1062 00:44:38,805 --> 00:44:39,855 have, but I hadn't seen before. 1063 00:44:39,975 --> 00:44:41,805 But you write about the rule of stupids. 1064 00:44:42,194 --> 00:44:42,254 Yeah. 1065 00:44:44,565 --> 00:44:47,774 How much danger do you think people create in their own lives 1066 00:44:47,805 --> 00:44:49,305 without actually knowing it? 1067 00:44:49,424 --> 00:44:51,105 And did you wanna talk about the rule of stupids? 1068 00:44:51,464 --> 00:44:51,884 Yeah. 1069 00:44:51,884 --> 00:44:56,535 It was, don't do stupid things in stupid places with stupid people at stupid times. 1070 00:44:56,540 --> 00:44:56,730 That's right. 1071 00:44:57,270 --> 00:45:01,515 And I wouldn't be right in this book if I hadn't have thrown all those 1072 00:45:01,515 --> 00:45:03,345 rules out Right at the same time. 1073 00:45:03,884 --> 00:45:07,694 'cause uh, yeah, you can live, I say that that's right at the beginning 1074 00:45:07,694 --> 00:45:09,134 because we are not gonna live like that. 1075 00:45:09,134 --> 00:45:13,035 And I, the purpose is this book is to, so you can reach further than 1076 00:45:13,035 --> 00:45:18,045 you would before, go traveling and take your family to random places and 1077 00:45:18,045 --> 00:45:20,355 have a security blanket and a plan. 1078 00:45:22,365 --> 00:45:27,464 But we, uh, the, the, the bottom line is that this. 1079 00:45:28,350 --> 00:45:30,270 We have to live our lives, you know? 1080 00:45:30,270 --> 00:45:30,360 Right. 1081 00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:35,880 We can't all just stay at home and never be at risk of anything. 1082 00:45:36,450 --> 00:45:39,480 You know, if you really want to be a hundred percent safe, 1083 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,160 then that's what you have to do. 1084 00:45:42,330 --> 00:45:42,840 Yeah. 1085 00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:43,860 And that's, that's not a 1086 00:45:43,860 --> 00:45:44,550 life. 1087 00:45:44,610 --> 00:45:45,300 No, no. 1088 00:45:45,300 --> 00:45:48,240 You have to accept that there's going to be some risk, but there are a lot 1089 00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:50,070 of ways we can mitigate that risk. 1090 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:50,820 Yeah. 1091 00:45:50,820 --> 00:45:50,940 And 1092 00:45:50,940 --> 00:45:54,150 the biggest stupid there is alcohol, but it's also. 1093 00:45:54,825 --> 00:45:55,545 The most fun. 1094 00:45:57,795 --> 00:45:59,565 Well, that goes to my next question. 1095 00:45:59,565 --> 00:46:02,895 I was gonna say, what's one stupid mistake people make every day 1096 00:46:03,015 --> 00:46:04,515 that you think is easy to fix? 1097 00:46:05,235 --> 00:46:06,165 Uh, 1098 00:46:07,095 --> 00:46:10,395 is when you are walking along, don't stare at the front floor. 1099 00:46:10,425 --> 00:46:13,095 Just clear the route ahead is a tactic that I talk about. 1100 00:46:13,095 --> 00:46:14,175 Just look up ahead of you. 1101 00:46:14,445 --> 00:46:18,525 You'll just see things happening and before you are right in front of them 1102 00:46:18,525 --> 00:46:19,695 and it's right on your doorsteps. 1103 00:46:19,755 --> 00:46:23,175 This is something I developed when I worked, I lived in Brixton and stuff. 1104 00:46:23,175 --> 00:46:28,125 'cause there, there's groups of youths on the street and they are scary. 1105 00:46:28,125 --> 00:46:31,815 Like they are gang members and they're defending their turf, 1106 00:46:31,815 --> 00:46:34,905 they're selling drugs and you just have to move around them. 1107 00:46:34,905 --> 00:46:35,385 Mm-hmm. 1108 00:46:35,445 --> 00:46:35,865 Um. 1109 00:46:36,225 --> 00:46:39,870 But you very early on know that you've got a spot 'em, if you spot 'em way ahead 1110 00:46:39,870 --> 00:46:41,340 of you, then you can evade them easily. 1111 00:46:41,340 --> 00:46:43,440 You just cross over and walk on the other side of the street. 1112 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:49,440 And that is a primary defense tool is prevention and complete avoidance. 1113 00:46:49,530 --> 00:46:49,740 Mm-hmm. 1114 00:46:50,850 --> 00:46:54,840 So, you know, situational awareness, that's a big part of it, is at 1115 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,290 the core of your Es a system, your enhanced situational awareness. 1116 00:46:59,250 --> 00:47:02,670 How did you develop your method and why does it work when most 1117 00:47:02,670 --> 00:47:04,020 situational training doesn't? 1118 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,460 I developed it like, again, from all the different disciplines that I've done. 1119 00:47:08,850 --> 00:47:13,710 Um, and it is a lot of it comes from close protection because 1120 00:47:13,710 --> 00:47:16,680 you are, your, your job is to. 1121 00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:21,840 Look after someone else in their family, you, you are their eyes and ears. 1122 00:47:21,930 --> 00:47:26,160 Mm. And there's also elements of it that you can't be a hundred percent 1123 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,020 aware a hundred percent of the time. 1124 00:47:28,050 --> 00:47:29,010 That's not the job. 1125 00:47:29,010 --> 00:47:30,330 No one's expected to do that. 1126 00:47:30,330 --> 00:47:34,110 So it's predicting environments and knowing when you need to turn it up and 1127 00:47:34,110 --> 00:47:39,090 switch on, switch on times, I call it, where you can use different techniques 1128 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:40,860 when you're in a bigger risk area. 1129 00:47:41,130 --> 00:47:45,450 But then there's also daily habits, which are kind of close protection 1130 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:50,100 basics, like sitting tactically in a restaurant, if you have your family, so 1131 00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:54,180 you can see the entranceway you're facing the door, your back is to the wall. 1132 00:47:54,450 --> 00:47:57,960 Uh, you've already registered where the exit is and you 1133 00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,220 know how you would get there. 1134 00:47:59,460 --> 00:48:02,400 Even if you're sitting in a booth, make sure you're on the end. 1135 00:48:02,460 --> 00:48:06,900 So if anything was to kick off, and I'm not talking about like an active shooter 1136 00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:09,300 every time, it could be two people would. 1137 00:48:09,575 --> 00:48:13,354 In a disagreement and fighting each other, and they're fucking gonna fall 1138 00:48:13,354 --> 00:48:14,705 onto where you're baby's sitting. 1139 00:48:14,705 --> 00:48:15,004 You know? 1140 00:48:15,004 --> 00:48:17,285 And you have to step, you need to be able to away, be able to 1141 00:48:17,285 --> 00:48:21,904 step away from that table and just block 'em in that situation. 1142 00:48:22,265 --> 00:48:26,375 But also, there could be a vehicle running into the front of the shop that happens 1143 00:48:26,375 --> 00:48:28,745 every day in cities, all around the world. 1144 00:48:29,225 --> 00:48:33,634 Uh, so you are sitting in a tactical position, standing in tactical 1145 00:48:33,634 --> 00:48:38,794 positions, so you are getting one step ahead of anything that could happen. 1146 00:48:39,185 --> 00:48:42,214 And it's, it's good even if you're not a family man, you're just working 1147 00:48:42,214 --> 00:48:44,464 in a cafe if you're on your laptop. 1148 00:48:45,125 --> 00:48:48,904 The tactical position thing's so important because you can be doing other things. 1149 00:48:48,904 --> 00:48:51,365 You can live your life, but if you're in that position, then you're 1150 00:48:51,365 --> 00:48:54,544 automatically got a headstart on everyone else in that environment. 1151 00:48:54,694 --> 00:48:56,404 Mm. If something kicks off, then you're just gonna. 1152 00:48:56,775 --> 00:48:59,145 See it in your peripheral vision immediately. 1153 00:48:59,444 --> 00:49:03,045 Whereas a lot of people sit with their back to the action all the time. 1154 00:49:03,105 --> 00:49:03,615 Mm-hmm. 1155 00:49:04,095 --> 00:49:04,485 Yeah. 1156 00:49:04,485 --> 00:49:07,095 I, it's a simple thing, really, but a lot of people 1157 00:49:07,095 --> 00:49:08,115 may not think of it. 1158 00:49:08,924 --> 00:49:12,525 It, it's funny 'cause I, I know a lot of it's the old gunfighter thing, right? 1159 00:49:12,525 --> 00:49:14,085 The old gunfighter tactic. 1160 00:49:14,085 --> 00:49:15,525 You always know where the exit is. 1161 00:49:15,555 --> 00:49:18,525 Sit at your back, watch where you can see, uh, people coming and going. 1162 00:49:18,525 --> 00:49:20,835 And I was always raised that way as well. 1163 00:49:20,835 --> 00:49:22,545 We were out having Greek food the other day. 1164 00:49:22,545 --> 00:49:23,444 You arrived early. 1165 00:49:23,444 --> 00:49:24,015 I'm like, of course. 1166 00:49:24,015 --> 00:49:25,095 He's sitting there with his back. 1167 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,595 So, so he, I spent the entire time looking in the reflection of the, uh, the window. 1168 00:49:29,835 --> 00:49:29,985 Oh. 1169 00:49:29,985 --> 00:49:31,634 Back to see what's happening behind me. 1170 00:49:31,845 --> 00:49:32,115 Of course. 1171 00:49:32,115 --> 00:49:33,464 Like I had your back, babe. 1172 00:49:33,525 --> 00:49:34,575 Oh, I, I know you did. 1173 00:49:35,955 --> 00:49:36,225 Of course. 1174 00:49:36,225 --> 00:49:38,654 I see the owner Franco coming up behind me. 1175 00:49:39,255 --> 00:49:39,795 Here comes. 1176 00:49:41,475 --> 00:49:48,285 But, um, there was a thin line between paranoia and being that switched on. 1177 00:49:48,285 --> 00:49:48,915 Protector. 1178 00:49:49,395 --> 00:49:51,855 I, yeah. 1179 00:49:52,545 --> 00:49:54,315 And that's where these daily habits are good. 1180 00:49:54,315 --> 00:49:57,735 'cause you don't have to be like on high alert looking around all the time. 1181 00:49:57,735 --> 00:49:57,915 Mm-hmm. 1182 00:49:58,215 --> 00:50:02,535 But you're already set up for success and visualization comes into it as well. 1183 00:50:02,535 --> 00:50:06,345 Like if one time you visualize at a parade, how am I gonna 1184 00:50:06,345 --> 00:50:10,675 move my two children out of the danger zone, offer the X. Mm-hmm. 1185 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:11,360 Just think about it. 1186 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:11,370 Mm-hmm. 1187 00:50:11,715 --> 00:50:16,935 Play with them on the bed in your front room, pick 'em up, throw 'em around a bit. 1188 00:50:17,205 --> 00:50:20,685 Just think, uh, I can carry 'em one underarm like this. 1189 00:50:21,015 --> 00:50:22,155 That's how I'll move them. 1190 00:50:22,545 --> 00:50:22,725 Yeah. 1191 00:50:22,725 --> 00:50:23,265 You know what I mean? 1192 00:50:23,385 --> 00:50:23,775 Yeah. 1193 00:50:24,975 --> 00:50:29,595 So mental role, role playing ahead of time, what if, and then you 1194 00:50:29,595 --> 00:50:31,905 don't have to worry about thinking about that if it does happen. 1195 00:50:31,935 --> 00:50:32,325 Yeah, exactly. 1196 00:50:32,325 --> 00:50:33,255 Got that one downloaded. 1197 00:50:33,375 --> 00:50:36,855 It's an actions on, as I say, how does someone know when the 1198 00:50:36,855 --> 00:50:39,435 environment just doesn't feel right? 1199 00:50:39,495 --> 00:50:41,475 And they should trust their instinct. 1200 00:50:42,195 --> 00:50:46,755 Absence of the normal presence of the abnormal it's region environment. 1201 00:50:46,755 --> 00:50:48,615 It's the chapter in the book, but it's. 1202 00:50:49,170 --> 00:50:52,140 Knowing what's going on in, well, it doesn't fit in, in the environment, and 1203 00:50:52,140 --> 00:50:55,049 that, that encompasses a very big subject. 1204 00:50:55,110 --> 00:50:55,350 Mm-hmm. 1205 00:50:55,590 --> 00:50:59,460 Um, in the surveillance world, when we'd go and do an operation in a foreign land 1206 00:50:59,460 --> 00:51:00,900 or anywhere, it's really a foreign land. 1207 00:51:00,900 --> 00:51:03,570 You're never doing it on your hometown, in your doorstep. 1208 00:51:03,900 --> 00:51:07,680 So you'd go and you'd absorb the environment, you'd establish the 1209 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:12,900 baseline, you'd sit outside in a cafe or, or in a park, and you just 1210 00:51:12,900 --> 00:51:17,820 watch people watch what are they wearing, what behaviors do they have? 1211 00:51:17,850 --> 00:51:19,860 That's normal to the native people there. 1212 00:51:20,370 --> 00:51:21,060 Um. 1213 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:26,850 What types of vehicles, you can read all these things and get a, a feel for what 1214 00:51:26,850 --> 00:51:32,580 is the norm in the environment, and then you adapt yourself to conform to that. 1215 00:51:32,970 --> 00:51:38,970 If things do stand out as abnormal, the norm is actually unaware, so mm-hmm. 1216 00:51:39,210 --> 00:51:42,330 The first indicator is someone that's aware of their surroundings, 1217 00:51:42,779 --> 00:51:46,319 check them out because they're either a good guy or a bad guy. 1218 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:46,589 Mm-hmm. 1219 00:51:46,859 --> 00:51:51,900 You know, um, but then there's different behavioral traits as 1220 00:51:51,900 --> 00:51:56,670 well that are clear indicators of someone, especially for violent acts, 1221 00:51:57,029 --> 00:51:58,890 but also pickpockets and things. 1222 00:51:59,549 --> 00:52:03,299 Um, a lot of places in the world, like I talk about a story when I was 1223 00:52:03,299 --> 00:52:07,920 in Italy, um, I had done my research before I went there and I found 1224 00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:09,779 that it's Roman and gypsies were a. 1225 00:52:10,395 --> 00:52:13,515 Large ethnicity of street robbers and pickpockets. 1226 00:52:13,545 --> 00:52:13,785 Yep. 1227 00:52:13,875 --> 00:52:15,315 And they actually set up on me. 1228 00:52:15,645 --> 00:52:19,245 And the first read I got on him, there was a guy standing up against the shopping 1229 00:52:19,245 --> 00:52:21,015 center and he was like looking around. 1230 00:52:21,075 --> 00:52:21,165 Mm-hmm. 1231 00:52:21,435 --> 00:52:23,174 And he was of that ethnicity. 1232 00:52:23,234 --> 00:52:26,595 So that, that was the first indicators. 1233 00:52:26,654 --> 00:52:31,815 And then watching his behavior more, then I, I, I learned that he was. 1234 00:52:32,220 --> 00:52:34,200 Signaling for someone else to come up behind me. 1235 00:52:34,529 --> 00:52:38,040 And then I ended up turning around and making him jump. 1236 00:52:38,310 --> 00:52:38,759 Yeah, 1237 00:52:38,759 --> 00:52:39,690 I was quite proud of that. 1238 00:52:41,129 --> 00:52:45,000 It's funny, a uh, another past podcast guest and he does, uh, 1239 00:52:45,060 --> 00:52:47,129 security work, uh, ex British Army. 1240 00:52:47,129 --> 00:52:51,359 And, uh, he, uh, I was like, oh, what kind of security work you doing? 1241 00:52:51,359 --> 00:52:51,540 Right? 1242 00:52:51,540 --> 00:52:52,830 And he is working at the airports. 1243 00:52:52,830 --> 00:52:54,240 He says, well, the racist kind, 1244 00:52:56,775 --> 00:53:00,450 but it's, but it's, it's not racism. 1245 00:53:00,450 --> 00:53:02,009 People talk about profiling. 1246 00:53:02,009 --> 00:53:04,080 There's a difference between profiling and racism. 1247 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:08,069 And I think people have got it in their heads lately, in past years that, 1248 00:53:08,069 --> 00:53:09,754 well, we can't profile that's racist. 1249 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,620 And he said it tongue in cheek because what they do is profile, right? 1250 00:53:13,625 --> 00:53:13,674 Mm-hmm. 1251 00:53:13,754 --> 00:53:18,000 People from certain, certain genders at certain age groups and certain 1252 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,740 ethnicities from certain areas. 1253 00:53:20,055 --> 00:53:25,154 I have shown that there's gonna be a higher likelihood of trouble than others. 1254 00:53:25,305 --> 00:53:29,355 Why wouldn't you use that information when you're downloading your, your 1255 00:53:29,355 --> 00:53:33,615 baseline and where you're taking a look at your, uh, uh, your, your profiling of 1256 00:53:33,615 --> 00:53:35,115 where, where a threat could come from? 1257 00:53:35,595 --> 00:53:41,115 Well, there's a, um, 80-year-old woman from Italy and she's, are we gonna treat 1258 00:53:41,115 --> 00:53:45,975 her the same as we would from somebody who comes from the profile background? 1259 00:53:46,575 --> 00:53:47,265 Exactly. 1260 00:53:47,385 --> 00:53:47,715 Yeah. 1261 00:53:47,715 --> 00:53:51,255 And that's just another small element of the whole big picture, but it's 1262 00:53:51,255 --> 00:53:52,755 how you get a quick read on someone. 1263 00:53:52,845 --> 00:53:52,965 Mm-hmm. 1264 00:53:53,205 --> 00:53:55,185 You know, we're not so for violence. 1265 00:53:55,185 --> 00:53:59,445 We're not gonna be as concerned with women as we are men, because statistically 1266 00:53:59,445 --> 00:54:01,065 they're not gonna be as violent. 1267 00:54:01,095 --> 00:54:01,335 Yeah. 1268 00:54:01,335 --> 00:54:05,745 There's anomalies out there, but when we are looking for threats, especially 1269 00:54:05,745 --> 00:54:09,585 in the close protection world, we're not gonna be giving them as much attention. 1270 00:54:09,615 --> 00:54:12,285 Especially when you're moving through a dynamic environment where 1271 00:54:12,285 --> 00:54:14,115 there's lots of people moving around. 1272 00:54:14,145 --> 00:54:14,235 Mm-hmm. 1273 00:54:14,625 --> 00:54:18,975 The first things you're looking for is someone who's aware, and if they're of 1274 00:54:18,975 --> 00:54:24,285 that gender, male age, fighting age, male is a term that's coined for a reason. 1275 00:54:24,285 --> 00:54:24,405 Mm-hmm. 1276 00:54:24,705 --> 00:54:25,815 You know, um. 1277 00:54:26,250 --> 00:54:28,800 And the behavioral traits and also the dress. 1278 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,600 You can go into subcultures that criminals use in certain areas. 1279 00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:37,590 Obviously we have famous ones, like we know what, how's angels wear? 1280 00:54:37,595 --> 00:54:37,785 Sure. 1281 00:54:37,890 --> 00:54:40,650 The biker jackets and that, uh, we know what the bloods and 1282 00:54:40,650 --> 00:54:42,090 cribs wear, the color schemes. 1283 00:54:42,090 --> 00:54:42,390 Sure. 1284 00:54:42,510 --> 00:54:46,470 Um, we can all have a idea of like a Latino gangster as well. 1285 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:52,110 So in the UK there is very niche subcultures between the 1286 00:54:52,110 --> 00:54:53,550 gangs that you can pick out. 1287 00:54:53,670 --> 00:54:57,630 And yeah, there is some overlap with general other young people who live 1288 00:54:57,630 --> 00:54:59,100 in the area who aren't gangsters. 1289 00:54:59,370 --> 00:55:03,240 But when we're considering the safety of our family and whether we should continue 1290 00:55:03,240 --> 00:55:05,640 down the street towards a group of men. 1291 00:55:06,690 --> 00:55:07,530 Look dodgy. 1292 00:55:07,890 --> 00:55:09,960 Like it doesn't matter what you think in your own head, 1293 00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:11,340 you make your own decisions. 1294 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,440 You're not a police officer, most probably. 1295 00:55:13,770 --> 00:55:19,320 Um, so you, you decide this is a, just a part of the decision making process. 1296 00:55:19,770 --> 00:55:22,950 It seems to me when you wrote this book, you had a very conscious 1297 00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:28,470 mind towards, uh, giving the information without sugarcoating it. 1298 00:55:28,530 --> 00:55:31,650 I mean, you'll, there's lots of humor inside the book. 1299 00:55:31,650 --> 00:55:33,420 There's lots of little things that you can pick out. 1300 00:55:33,660 --> 00:55:35,220 I'm make peacock, you gotta let me fly. 1301 00:55:35,220 --> 00:55:35,970 Like little things you can. 1302 00:55:37,140 --> 00:55:42,690 But, um, and, and all of the stories, but, um, that you made a conscious 1303 00:55:42,690 --> 00:55:46,980 effort just to give the information without it being varnished under a 1304 00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:49,890 layer of, uh, political correctness. 1305 00:55:49,980 --> 00:55:50,520 Um. 1306 00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:54,000 Am I correct in, uh, in that? 1307 00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:54,300 Yeah. 1308 00:55:54,420 --> 00:55:54,930 Yeah. 1309 00:55:54,930 --> 00:55:56,640 And I actually went back and forth with that. 1310 00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:00,240 I started the book with a, a general audience in mind. 1311 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,550 I wasn't gonna go down this male protector route. 1312 00:56:02,580 --> 00:56:05,850 Mm. This tactics were still the same, but it was kind of different. 1313 00:56:05,850 --> 00:56:06,720 And then I changed it. 1314 00:56:06,720 --> 00:56:08,070 It's like, I don't want to do that. 1315 00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:08,490 You know what I mean? 1316 00:56:08,490 --> 00:56:13,110 I'm not gonna just do what I think, like this crowd that might get 1317 00:56:13,110 --> 00:56:17,340 angry is gonna be angry about, I don't actually care what they think. 1318 00:56:17,345 --> 00:56:18,090 Do you know what I mean? 1319 00:56:18,095 --> 00:56:18,285 True. 1320 00:56:18,305 --> 00:56:19,500 And they're not my audience. 1321 00:56:19,530 --> 00:56:20,460 I'm not talking to them. 1322 00:56:20,460 --> 00:56:20,550 Right. 1323 00:56:20,580 --> 00:56:23,790 If they wanna get angry about it, then go read another book. 1324 00:56:23,790 --> 00:56:24,300 Do you know what I mean? 1325 00:56:24,810 --> 00:56:26,880 You, I, I've, yeah. 1326 00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:31,560 I've stayed true to what I believe and my own experience. 1327 00:56:32,580 --> 00:56:33,030 Yeah. 1328 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:37,890 Well, I also think despite it being called Man Protect and you give the reasons 1329 00:56:37,890 --> 00:56:42,210 why and how you name it, uh, there's a lot of information here that would 1330 00:56:42,210 --> 00:56:45,180 be very, very useful to women as well. 1331 00:56:45,570 --> 00:56:50,040 Uh, men are typically looked at as the projector when push comes to shove. 1332 00:56:51,450 --> 00:56:55,950 We revert to our animalistic very, very human instincts. 1333 00:56:56,279 --> 00:57:00,060 But I think there's a lot of information in here that, uh, that women can look 1334 00:57:00,060 --> 00:57:03,990 at this and say, well, okay, I've seen this and this is what a predator's 1335 00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:08,430 looking like, and here's actually what a, someone who's gonna be acting in a 1336 00:57:08,430 --> 00:57:10,200 protector role might be looking at things. 1337 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:16,065 And I, uh, despite its name, I think it's a valuable resource for men and women. 1338 00:57:16,845 --> 00:57:17,115 Yeah, 1339 00:57:17,235 --> 00:57:17,745 definitely. 1340 00:57:18,015 --> 00:57:20,595 Uh, a lot of the tactics are the same, and I do look at it 1341 00:57:20,595 --> 00:57:23,265 as a, the marketing is from man. 1342 00:57:23,415 --> 00:57:23,715 Sure. 1343 00:57:23,805 --> 00:57:28,785 Uh, obviously for a man's lens and to teach those skills onto the women in 1344 00:57:28,785 --> 00:57:30,825 their life, their daughters mainly. 1345 00:57:30,915 --> 00:57:31,605 Do you know what I mean? 1346 00:57:31,634 --> 00:57:31,785 Right. 1347 00:57:31,845 --> 00:57:35,025 Um, because they're not my experience. 1348 00:57:35,025 --> 00:57:38,325 Why I didn't keep it a broad book marketing, you need to find your 1349 00:57:38,325 --> 00:57:40,335 audience and sell it to that audience. 1350 00:57:40,755 --> 00:57:45,315 But I don't think like many women are gonna read my content anyway. 1351 00:57:45,315 --> 00:57:46,515 It's mainly a male audience. 1352 00:57:46,515 --> 00:57:49,035 You can see that in all your Instagram stuff anyway. 1353 00:57:49,125 --> 00:57:49,335 Yeah. 1354 00:57:49,755 --> 00:57:54,765 But, um, there is something in the pipeline way down the line that 1355 00:57:54,765 --> 00:57:58,815 after this one, that I'd like to do a CoLab with a female, which 1356 00:57:58,815 --> 00:58:00,585 I have some people in mind to do. 1357 00:58:00,585 --> 00:58:01,575 A woman protect. 1358 00:58:01,725 --> 00:58:02,325 Yeah. 1359 00:58:02,325 --> 00:58:02,895 Nice. 1360 00:58:03,015 --> 00:58:03,735 And yeah. 1361 00:58:03,795 --> 00:58:05,145 Take from, I think I know what you're talking about too. 1362 00:58:05,150 --> 00:58:05,400 Yeah. 1363 00:58:05,715 --> 00:58:06,015 Yeah. 1364 00:58:06,015 --> 00:58:07,335 I've re reached out to her. 1365 00:58:07,335 --> 00:58:07,545 Yeah. 1366 00:58:07,550 --> 00:58:07,600 Yeah. 1367 00:58:07,605 --> 00:58:08,595 But I will in the future. 1368 00:58:08,685 --> 00:58:09,045 Yeah. 1369 00:58:09,134 --> 00:58:12,555 Um, because I think it's like the way men speak to each 1370 00:58:12,555 --> 00:58:14,055 other is different, you know? 1371 00:58:14,055 --> 00:58:14,235 Sure. 1372 00:58:14,415 --> 00:58:15,285 And I didn't want to. 1373 00:58:16,035 --> 00:58:17,475 Put it for everyone. 1374 00:58:17,595 --> 00:58:17,805 Oh. 1375 00:58:17,805 --> 00:58:18,705 Be friendly for everyone. 1376 00:58:18,735 --> 00:58:20,685 'cause I wanna speak to geezers like me. 1377 00:58:20,715 --> 00:58:21,015 Sure. 1378 00:58:21,015 --> 00:58:22,365 And you, you know what I mean? 1379 00:58:22,455 --> 00:58:22,695 Yeah. 1380 00:58:22,755 --> 00:58:27,645 Um, and when I write to women, I'll have like female voice 1381 00:58:27,825 --> 00:58:29,595 as like a main author as well. 1382 00:58:29,685 --> 00:58:29,955 Mm-hmm. 1383 00:58:29,985 --> 00:58:31,215 Like the tactic tactics. 1384 00:58:31,215 --> 00:58:34,305 And also I'll, they have a different experience when they walk down the street. 1385 00:58:34,665 --> 00:58:38,205 Like, have you ever worried about being raped walking down the street? 1386 00:58:38,415 --> 00:58:39,045 Thankfully, no. 1387 00:58:39,285 --> 00:58:39,555 No. 1388 00:58:39,825 --> 00:58:44,385 Nor have I, it's never even considered in my realm of possibility. 1389 00:58:44,415 --> 00:58:44,565 Right. 1390 00:58:44,565 --> 00:58:45,135 You know what I mean? 1391 00:58:45,405 --> 00:58:48,135 But for women, that is a daily worry. 1392 00:58:48,345 --> 00:58:48,915 Do you know what I mean? 1393 00:58:48,975 --> 00:58:49,185 Yeah. 1394 00:58:49,245 --> 00:58:51,915 And there's different types of predators that predate on them. 1395 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:51,950 Mm-hmm. 1396 00:58:52,485 --> 00:58:54,255 Um, so they have a different experience. 1397 00:58:54,585 --> 00:58:58,665 Um, and there's been this whole big political thing recently about complete 1398 00:58:58,665 --> 00:59:01,575 equality, which look we are different. 1399 00:59:01,725 --> 00:59:01,905 Mm-hmm. 1400 00:59:02,145 --> 00:59:03,105 You know, there's differences. 1401 00:59:03,435 --> 00:59:06,945 Um, so yeah, this is for the male organ audience, and I'd like to 1402 00:59:06,945 --> 00:59:10,635 do the, the female, but I'd like also not to be the man in that 1403 00:59:10,635 --> 00:59:12,405 role saying, you need to do this. 1404 00:59:12,405 --> 00:59:12,855 Mm-hmm. 1405 00:59:13,395 --> 00:59:14,685 It's a, I don't walk that. 1406 00:59:15,105 --> 00:59:15,734 Life. 1407 00:59:15,734 --> 00:59:16,154 Do you know what I mean? 1408 00:59:16,154 --> 00:59:21,555 I'm not that person, so I'll co-author with someone else to get that perspective. 1409 00:59:21,615 --> 00:59:22,154 Smart. 1410 00:59:22,365 --> 00:59:23,145 I think that's smart. 1411 00:59:23,565 --> 00:59:26,025 Now, you don't glorify violence, obviously. 1412 00:59:26,025 --> 00:59:28,755 You, you, violence is a part of your life. 1413 00:59:28,875 --> 00:59:34,455 You do that professionally as a bare knuckle boxer, and there's certain reasons 1414 00:59:34,455 --> 00:59:35,895 why you do it and what you get out of it. 1415 00:59:35,895 --> 00:59:40,935 But you make it very, very clear in the book that, uh, avoiding, uh, not even 1416 00:59:40,935 --> 00:59:43,995 being in the situation to begin with, all the different ways that you can. 1417 00:59:44,715 --> 00:59:49,215 Get out of it are far better than just looking at, oh, here's, here's 1418 00:59:49,215 --> 00:59:52,455 your special move you can do, or here's, here's your special tactic. 1419 00:59:53,025 --> 00:59:56,895 But when fighting is unavoidable, when fighting is unavoidable, 1420 00:59:57,375 --> 01:00:00,795 what do people need to understand about the reality of it? 1421 01:00:01,845 --> 01:00:03,645 Hard, fast, aggressive. 1422 01:00:04,095 --> 01:00:09,015 That is the mantra that a raw commando corporal used to drill into us. 1423 01:00:09,195 --> 01:00:12,585 If it's already on, then it's already on. 1424 01:00:12,795 --> 01:00:14,865 I learned that very early on in my life. 1425 01:00:15,465 --> 01:00:19,575 If someone's telling you that they are gonna hurt you and they are coming towards 1426 01:00:19,575 --> 01:00:22,065 you, there's no more talking there. 1427 01:00:22,365 --> 01:00:24,255 And yeah, you could turn and run. 1428 01:00:24,255 --> 01:00:26,415 There's a lot of situations where you can't turn and run. 1429 01:00:26,895 --> 01:00:30,705 They, there's a switch that needs to be flipped and that is the animalistic 1430 01:00:30,705 --> 01:00:32,835 side that needs to come out. 1431 01:00:33,165 --> 01:00:35,565 Um, and to get those skills. 1432 01:00:35,970 --> 01:00:37,109 You can't read a book. 1433 01:00:37,140 --> 01:00:40,500 And I say this at the first paragraph, basically of the fight and bat 1434 01:00:40,500 --> 01:00:44,879 section, but I do outline what you can go and learn and the most effective 1435 01:00:45,089 --> 01:00:48,990 fight in arts to learn to get to a capable 'cause like I said earlier, 1436 01:00:48,990 --> 01:00:50,670 you only need your go-to moves. 1437 01:00:50,759 --> 01:00:50,940 Mm-hmm. 1438 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,150 You only need to learn something that works for you to get you 1439 01:00:54,180 --> 01:00:58,049 out of a situation and then pull up your socks and get moving. 1440 01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,259 'cause that's also something about violence that I talk about. 1441 01:01:01,470 --> 01:01:01,560 Mm-hmm. 1442 01:01:01,799 --> 01:01:03,540 Which most other people won't talk about. 1443 01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,810 This is real from, from my experience. 1444 01:01:06,810 --> 01:01:09,779 There's nothing good that happens from if you have to defend yourself from 1445 01:01:09,779 --> 01:01:11,430 sticking around in that environment. 1446 01:01:11,580 --> 01:01:11,700 No. 1447 01:01:11,700 --> 01:01:14,009 You need to get out of there and you need to go home. 1448 01:01:14,220 --> 01:01:17,970 'cause I've had times when I've had a scrap with people and I've gone to the 1449 01:01:17,970 --> 01:01:23,520 next bar and they've come into the bar and no, I'm on my own at that point. 1450 01:01:23,525 --> 01:01:23,654 Yeah. 1451 01:01:23,674 --> 01:01:25,770 So, yeah, that's not a good situation. 1452 01:01:26,250 --> 01:01:26,580 Um. 1453 01:01:27,150 --> 01:01:29,010 That's when you gotta use the crazy headbutts 1454 01:01:29,010 --> 01:01:34,170 technique and then reassess What, what did I do wrong? 1455 01:01:34,170 --> 01:01:36,870 Okay, now I'm gonna leave, I'm gonna get out. 1456 01:01:37,950 --> 01:01:40,110 What do you think the biggest misconception people have about 1457 01:01:40,140 --> 01:01:42,990 knives and guns in real violence? 1458 01:01:43,590 --> 01:01:44,100 Uh, 1459 01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,660 this is another thing of why I've gone down this road of teaching 1460 01:01:49,170 --> 01:01:53,730 because of the YouTube videos you see of knife attacks online. 1461 01:01:53,940 --> 01:01:55,770 It just, it's ridiculous. 1462 01:01:55,830 --> 01:01:59,280 Like the knife is coming at you at a certain angle and 1463 01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:00,490 you're like using a Yeah, yeah. 1464 01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:01,800 Karate chop shit. 1465 01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,150 Like Stevens Toal. 1466 01:02:03,450 --> 01:02:04,260 Like come on. 1467 01:02:04,265 --> 01:02:04,740 You can't tell me. 1468 01:02:04,740 --> 01:02:06,330 You didn't watch Steven Al when you were younger. 1469 01:02:06,330 --> 01:02:08,940 I did, and I believed it for a while. 1470 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:09,450 Oh yeah. 1471 01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:11,400 Till I was stabbed up in London. 1472 01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:13,230 This didn't work. 1473 01:02:13,530 --> 01:02:14,010 Yeah. 1474 01:02:14,820 --> 01:02:18,270 Uh, yeah, there's a lot of misconceptions and it comes back to 1475 01:02:18,270 --> 01:02:20,250 the detection and situation awareness. 1476 01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:21,750 Like when I was in that knife. 1477 01:02:22,185 --> 01:02:22,754 Fight. 1478 01:02:23,115 --> 01:02:25,575 It wasn't really a knife fight 'cause I didn't have a knife. 1479 01:02:25,665 --> 01:02:27,314 It was just one person getting stabbed. 1480 01:02:29,205 --> 01:02:29,325 Yeah. 1481 01:02:29,325 --> 01:02:30,645 What would you call that then? 1482 01:02:30,884 --> 01:02:31,665 Just a stabbing? 1483 01:02:31,754 --> 01:02:32,205 Yeah. 1484 01:02:32,265 --> 01:02:33,075 Basically. 1485 01:02:33,134 --> 01:02:36,705 I didn't know that the blade was being used until someone in the queue next 1486 01:02:36,705 --> 01:02:40,004 to me screamed that he had a knife and I was underneath him and he was 1487 01:02:40,004 --> 01:02:44,085 like coming down to me and luckily the doorman grabbed him and pulled him off. 1488 01:02:44,115 --> 01:02:46,995 Otherwise, I didn't know how to fight jujitsu at that time. 1489 01:02:46,995 --> 01:02:49,725 I was just literally holding on for dear life, basically. 1490 01:02:50,234 --> 01:02:54,765 Um, most people don't know that they're carrying a knife, so it's monitoring 1491 01:02:54,765 --> 01:02:59,024 the hands in the, in the lead up and all these behavioral traits that 1492 01:02:59,504 --> 01:03:02,714 could save your life in those times. 1493 01:03:03,225 --> 01:03:06,285 Um, and with the firearms as well. 1494 01:03:06,314 --> 01:03:10,845 I do talk about active shooters and terrorism because this is something that 1495 01:03:11,024 --> 01:03:14,475 most people probably haven't thought about, what they're gonna do, so. 1496 01:03:15,495 --> 01:03:19,935 If there's an active shooter in a shopping mall and you are like the 1497 01:03:19,935 --> 01:03:21,675 run hide fight model, I like that. 1498 01:03:21,765 --> 01:03:21,855 Mm-hmm. 1499 01:03:22,095 --> 01:03:25,425 Say run and hide are exhausted and you, you know, they're on the other 1500 01:03:25,425 --> 01:03:28,965 side of that door and they're coming, then if you don't have any fighting 1501 01:03:28,965 --> 01:03:30,885 experience, what are you gonna do? 1502 01:03:31,215 --> 01:03:36,075 But this is, I'm, I'm teaching what to do and it's all about getting hands 1503 01:03:36,075 --> 01:03:38,775 on the weapon as early as possible. 1504 01:03:38,925 --> 01:03:39,105 Mm-hmm. 1505 01:03:39,195 --> 01:03:43,035 I've watched many, many videos where people try to tackle, they run mm-hmm. 1506 01:03:43,035 --> 01:03:46,485 They've got full aggression, but then they're thrown off and then that little 1507 01:03:46,485 --> 01:03:51,225 bit of distance is all the shooter need needs to get rounds on target. 1508 01:03:51,435 --> 01:03:51,675 Mm-hmm. 1509 01:03:51,915 --> 01:03:54,945 Um, so it's kind of controlling the weapon arm. 1510 01:03:55,125 --> 01:03:57,255 I don't go into jujitsu moves. 1511 01:03:57,260 --> 01:03:57,300 Mm-hmm. 1512 01:03:57,540 --> 01:04:01,065 I guide you to where you can learn those moves, which is 1513 01:04:01,185 --> 01:04:02,655 Brazilian jujitsu's a great one. 1514 01:04:02,775 --> 01:04:02,865 Mm-hmm. 1515 01:04:03,165 --> 01:04:08,265 Uh, for controlling one person's arm with your two arms, which in a real situation, 1516 01:04:08,265 --> 01:04:09,915 you have to control their body as well. 1517 01:04:09,915 --> 01:04:09,925 Mm-hmm. 1518 01:04:09,980 --> 01:04:12,765 So you have to be in mount most likely is preferably. 1519 01:04:13,155 --> 01:04:14,055 So it's, it's a very. 1520 01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:16,230 Intricate thing. 1521 01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,290 I give like the basic rules. 1522 01:04:19,470 --> 01:04:22,650 And when it comes to, like if you are walking through Borough Market 1523 01:04:22,650 --> 01:04:26,640 in London or downtown Vancouver in a Christmas market, you turn around a 1524 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:31,680 corner and there's a guy with a knife coming towards you, slashing people. 1525 01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:31,980 Mm-hmm. 1526 01:04:31,986 --> 01:04:32,940 What are you gonna do? 1527 01:04:33,330 --> 01:04:35,190 Well get behind a barrier. 1528 01:04:35,550 --> 01:04:40,620 First of all, use a chair as a barrier and as a weapon in between you. 1529 01:04:41,010 --> 01:04:43,890 You know, these sorts of things that could save your life. 1530 01:04:43,890 --> 01:04:45,750 Even a parked car can save your life. 1531 01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:49,650 Like that old sketch where you as a clown is chased around it. 1532 01:04:49,950 --> 01:04:50,460 Yes. 1533 01:04:50,460 --> 01:04:50,640 Yeah. 1534 01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,150 That's worked for many people and they've survived knife attacks 1535 01:04:54,150 --> 01:04:55,650 because of that, you know? 1536 01:04:56,190 --> 01:04:56,700 Um. 1537 01:04:57,495 --> 01:04:58,935 People get tired and they're like, oh. 1538 01:04:59,325 --> 01:05:02,145 Then the consequences are, they have enough time to think 1539 01:05:02,145 --> 01:05:03,584 about, are there police coming? 1540 01:05:03,584 --> 01:05:04,484 Are there others coming? 1541 01:05:04,484 --> 01:05:05,504 Maybe I should skip battle. 1542 01:05:05,595 --> 01:05:05,955 Yeah, 1543 01:05:06,015 --> 01:05:06,944 buy yourself time. 1544 01:05:06,944 --> 01:05:07,875 Put some distance. 1545 01:05:08,444 --> 01:05:09,075 Exactly. 1546 01:05:09,225 --> 01:05:09,495 Yeah. 1547 01:05:09,495 --> 01:05:14,325 And these go-to things are, a lot of people would think of them, but a lot of 1548 01:05:14,325 --> 01:05:15,734 people are, oh, I haven't thought of that. 1549 01:05:15,794 --> 01:05:20,415 There's loads of little ni tidbits in that book that gives you these little options. 1550 01:05:20,415 --> 01:05:21,915 Like, oh, I didn't think of that thing. 1551 01:05:21,944 --> 01:05:23,205 Mm, I didn't think of that. 1552 01:05:23,504 --> 01:05:28,484 But a hard lock-in location is a close protection tactic that we use 1553 01:05:28,484 --> 01:05:30,375 if we can't make it out of an exit. 1554 01:05:30,645 --> 01:05:34,964 So you would barricade yourself in a room, a disabled washroom, 1555 01:05:35,174 --> 01:05:38,625 for instance, with your family if there's an active situation going on. 1556 01:05:38,955 --> 01:05:40,575 Mm. And you just wait out in there. 1557 01:05:40,845 --> 01:05:44,115 Or if you've used a barricade, a room, you would put the table there and 1558 01:05:44,115 --> 01:05:48,285 then the other table there, and you'd build a barricade from the wall on the 1559 01:05:48,285 --> 01:05:49,845 other side all the way to the door. 1560 01:05:49,935 --> 01:05:51,584 Mm. So it cannot be opened. 1561 01:05:51,645 --> 01:05:52,544 So it's pushed. 1562 01:05:52,904 --> 01:05:55,064 Actually against the opposing wall, if you can. 1563 01:05:55,125 --> 01:05:55,214 Mm-hmm. 1564 01:05:55,515 --> 01:05:58,814 Other than just putting a table at the desk, the desk up against the door, which 1565 01:05:58,814 --> 01:06:00,524 could be kicked and pushed out the way. 1566 01:06:00,674 --> 01:06:01,004 Could be. 1567 01:06:01,004 --> 01:06:01,335 Yeah. 1568 01:06:01,785 --> 01:06:02,174 Yeah. 1569 01:06:02,355 --> 01:06:04,694 Little things like that clown thing running around the car. 1570 01:06:04,694 --> 01:06:09,794 I remember one, um, it was, uh, in, I think it was Smith and Western Academy. 1571 01:06:09,794 --> 01:06:13,605 I was in, uh, Massachusetts doing some training there, and they're telling a 1572 01:06:13,605 --> 01:06:18,254 story of a guy and, uh, he was shot a couple times, police officer and he's 1573 01:06:18,254 --> 01:06:20,924 down on the ground, bad guy comes up with a gun and he's gonna shoot him 1574 01:06:20,924 --> 01:06:23,745 in the head and police officer puts his hand up in front of the muzzle. 1575 01:06:23,955 --> 01:06:26,835 So bad guy turns around to get a better shot and he puts his hand over 1576 01:06:26,835 --> 01:06:29,234 here and he keeps, like the bullet will go right through the hand. 1577 01:06:29,504 --> 01:06:32,924 But the thought process like that was what he had in the moment. 1578 01:06:32,924 --> 01:06:36,225 To be able to try and put something between him and maybe the person you're 1579 01:06:36,225 --> 01:06:38,355 dealing with isn't, uh, it saved his life. 1580 01:06:38,685 --> 01:06:44,415 The, um, uh, enough time had passed, um, blocking it with his Superman hand here. 1581 01:06:44,419 --> 01:06:44,520 Yeah. 1582 01:06:44,524 --> 01:06:46,274 And, um, but. 1583 01:06:46,845 --> 01:06:47,924 Having, um, 1584 01:06:48,404 --> 01:06:51,884 that's also not giving up as well, which is I talk about flight. 1585 01:06:51,944 --> 01:06:53,295 You're in the flight to the end. 1586 01:06:53,685 --> 01:06:55,245 What a great tactic that guy used. 1587 01:06:55,245 --> 01:06:58,154 If all you can do is that and you do it and it's you survive, 1588 01:06:58,154 --> 01:07:00,045 then that's real survival. 1589 01:07:00,134 --> 01:07:02,325 Well, you know, a thing or two about not giving up too, don't you? 1590 01:07:03,134 --> 01:07:03,375 Yeah. 1591 01:07:04,424 --> 01:07:06,105 Um, and then the knife thing. 1592 01:07:06,105 --> 01:07:10,725 So I've carried a knife since I think kindergarten, maybe grade one. 1593 01:07:10,875 --> 01:07:15,045 Uh, I remember when I lost my knife in grade one and I go to the office and 1594 01:07:15,435 --> 01:07:18,705 look for my knife and they go to the loss and found, they come back with this 1595 01:07:18,705 --> 01:07:20,355 big blue plastic thing and no, no, no. 1596 01:07:20,355 --> 01:07:21,674 Mine's, mine's a folding knife. 1597 01:07:21,674 --> 01:07:23,205 It's black and it looks like this. 1598 01:07:23,205 --> 01:07:24,194 I carry it in my pocket. 1599 01:07:24,225 --> 01:07:25,964 Like, okay, that's kinda weird. 1600 01:07:25,964 --> 01:07:27,105 What are you carrying a knife for? 1601 01:07:27,734 --> 01:07:30,915 Over the years, the, uh, idea of carrying a knife in a public 1602 01:07:30,915 --> 01:07:37,125 place is, um, has a different, uh, connotation behind it and stigma. 1603 01:07:37,860 --> 01:07:40,950 Mind you, here in British Columbia, you can carry a knife. 1604 01:07:40,975 --> 01:07:46,380 You, you see the telltale clip on people's pockets or their waistband, but, 1605 01:07:46,380 --> 01:07:48,600 uh, I think some people will carry it. 1606 01:07:48,674 --> 01:07:50,100 I, I carry it 'cause it's a tool. 1607 01:07:50,100 --> 01:07:51,029 I use it all the time. 1608 01:07:51,660 --> 01:07:51,720 Yeah. 1609 01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:55,440 People don't realize how devastating a knife can be. 1610 01:07:56,100 --> 01:07:57,180 You're at close range. 1611 01:07:57,180 --> 01:07:58,020 At far range. 1612 01:07:58,049 --> 01:08:00,779 I'd rather that they have an a knife on them at close range. 1613 01:08:00,779 --> 01:08:02,549 I think I'd rather they have a gun, honestly. 1614 01:08:02,790 --> 01:08:07,290 Because Yeah, the knife is so damn versatile and it's so devastating. 1615 01:08:07,290 --> 01:08:09,779 And if people are carrying these things for self-protection. 1616 01:08:10,379 --> 01:08:14,940 They gotta be prepared for the aftermath, which is you're probably 1617 01:08:14,940 --> 01:08:17,340 gonna kill a person if you have to use a knife on somebody. 1618 01:08:17,609 --> 01:08:17,939 Yeah. 1619 01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:19,620 This is a big thing. 1620 01:08:19,950 --> 01:08:24,870 Risk request rewards that I've flipped Flacked on since coming over to Canada. 1621 01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:29,880 Mm. I grew up in the UK, obviously, and the knife culture is like, you 1622 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,370 can't carry a knife, you go to prison. 1623 01:08:32,370 --> 01:08:34,590 There was a Manisty prison sentence for a time. 1624 01:08:34,595 --> 01:08:34,974 Mm-hmm. 1625 01:08:35,010 --> 01:08:38,490 I actually, when I was 15 years old, I got stop and searched by the police. 1626 01:08:38,490 --> 01:08:42,809 I had a knife on me and I had an knuckle duster that my friend sold 1627 01:08:42,809 --> 01:08:44,279 me from when he went to Spain. 1628 01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:47,580 Like when I was that age, like enough duster was cool when I was 1629 01:08:47,580 --> 01:08:48,599 like, yeah, I'll buy it off you. 1630 01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:49,019 Yeah. 1631 01:08:49,109 --> 01:08:50,220 I would've never used it. 1632 01:08:50,250 --> 01:08:50,910 I just carried it. 1633 01:08:50,910 --> 01:08:51,689 'cause I thought it was cool. 1634 01:08:51,750 --> 01:08:51,840 Sure. 1635 01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:53,410 Anyway, I spent the night in. 1636 01:08:53,890 --> 01:08:55,120 Jail self 'cause of that. 1637 01:08:55,180 --> 01:08:59,770 And luckily because I was only one year away from being 16, 1638 01:08:59,770 --> 01:09:01,120 it wasn't on my record forever. 1639 01:09:01,210 --> 01:09:04,810 Mm. So I've just got a reprimand and from then on I didn't carry a knife 1640 01:09:04,810 --> 01:09:06,580 until after when I was in the military. 1641 01:09:06,730 --> 01:09:08,140 And it's kind of drilled into you. 1642 01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,830 But when I came and did close protection over here, the operators 1643 01:09:11,830 --> 01:09:13,000 were all carrying a knife. 1644 01:09:13,029 --> 01:09:17,170 And for good reason, like if, if you are in your last stand, then 1645 01:09:17,649 --> 01:09:19,540 a knife is a good tool to have. 1646 01:09:19,870 --> 01:09:22,060 Especially if they're carrying a knife as well. 1647 01:09:22,060 --> 01:09:26,529 Then having a knife of your own will give you that distance and hold them off. 1648 01:09:26,529 --> 01:09:30,130 'cause it's no longer, like we said before, one man getting stabbed. 1649 01:09:30,460 --> 01:09:31,600 Now it's a knife fight. 1650 01:09:31,689 --> 01:09:32,020 Right. 1651 01:09:32,020 --> 01:09:35,470 And I've got, it's the history of knife fighting and like 1652 01:09:35,830 --> 01:09:37,990 a great example is fencing. 1653 01:09:38,020 --> 01:09:41,859 I know it's an Olympic sport, but any sort of sword fight in a 1654 01:09:41,859 --> 01:09:43,120 knife fighting, it's all about. 1655 01:09:43,375 --> 01:09:45,535 Distance and actual footwork. 1656 01:09:45,594 --> 01:09:46,795 Mm. Keeping them away. 1657 01:09:46,825 --> 01:09:51,295 And if you have your own knife, then they can no longer just come full steam ahead. 1658 01:09:51,325 --> 01:09:52,615 Now you can hold them at bay. 1659 01:09:53,184 --> 01:09:56,545 And, uh, I do talk about that as a man and it's, it goes against 1660 01:09:56,545 --> 01:09:58,134 the grain of British culture. 1661 01:09:58,554 --> 01:10:04,075 Um, but also I'm talking about family men, middle-aged men. 1662 01:10:04,075 --> 01:10:06,325 Like I'm not gonna get stopped and searched these 1663 01:10:06,325 --> 01:10:08,755 days anyway, like back home. 1664 01:10:08,844 --> 01:10:14,514 I will break the law and walk around London with a knife if I'm with my family. 1665 01:10:14,514 --> 01:10:14,844 Sure. 1666 01:10:14,934 --> 01:10:20,215 Like the risk is way too high and like, I'm not a terrorist. 1667 01:10:20,215 --> 01:10:20,844 Do you know what I mean? 1668 01:10:20,905 --> 01:10:21,924 I'm with you on that one. 1669 01:10:21,985 --> 01:10:22,945 I, I bought a 1670 01:10:22,945 --> 01:10:26,424 knife specifically 'cause I did my research when last time I was in the uk. 1671 01:10:26,724 --> 01:10:27,115 Okay. 1672 01:10:27,115 --> 01:10:29,245 This one can open up but it doesn't lock. 1673 01:10:29,245 --> 01:10:33,894 Spider Coat makes one that's UK compliant and, and all these other countries. 1674 01:10:33,894 --> 01:10:36,835 And I don't know what the ins and outs, I just. 1675 01:10:37,230 --> 01:10:41,460 I got onto Google and researched my, my knife laws, but I'm sure 1676 01:10:41,460 --> 01:10:45,270 there'd probably be some, some areas of grayness in there as well too. 1677 01:10:45,570 --> 01:10:45,870 Yeah. 1678 01:10:45,870 --> 01:10:48,060 But, uh, what can I have when I was in Greece, what can I 1679 01:10:48,060 --> 01:10:49,320 have in these different places? 1680 01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:52,890 But, um, I had to switch up what it was I was carrying. 1681 01:10:53,370 --> 01:10:57,360 But one of the things that I think that, uh, is highly effective would 1682 01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,180 just be oc sm capsicum pepper spray. 1683 01:11:00,210 --> 01:11:05,130 It's, uh, um, you're not gonna kill the person with it, and it's 1684 01:11:05,130 --> 01:11:10,980 pretty easy to deploy if your, your children, your significant other, 1685 01:11:10,980 --> 01:11:14,580 and you can buy the stuff on Amazon and have a delivered to your house. 1686 01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,860 You just can't use it on people. 1687 01:11:16,980 --> 01:11:18,690 If you carry it for people, that's illegal. 1688 01:11:18,690 --> 01:11:20,100 If you carry it for dogs. 1689 01:11:20,460 --> 01:11:21,480 Perfectly legal. 1690 01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:22,110 Yeah. 1691 01:11:22,170 --> 01:11:24,330 And I, I do carry it around where I am. 1692 01:11:24,330 --> 01:11:24,630 Sure. 1693 01:11:25,410 --> 01:11:28,890 I actually was nearly attacked by a dog when I was with my daughter. 1694 01:11:29,370 --> 01:11:30,900 Um, a camp ground off the. 1695 01:11:31,500 --> 01:11:33,780 Man, Quam Forest Road there. 1696 01:11:33,900 --> 01:11:37,200 And we were walking on a trail just a little away from our tent and 1697 01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,139 someone else had a tent, but they had a dog and it wasn't on a leash. 1698 01:11:40,290 --> 01:11:43,679 And this is like, no one comes to this campground, it's just a site 1699 01:11:43,710 --> 01:11:48,150 where you just go, there's no like Ranger or whatever, park officer. 1700 01:11:48,420 --> 01:11:51,840 And the dog came at us and it was like growling, barking, rah. 1701 01:11:52,260 --> 01:11:54,690 And I like picked her up, my daughter and had it ready. 1702 01:11:54,780 --> 01:11:57,960 And then the guy come out, some Mexican guy, he was like, oh no, it's fine. 1703 01:11:57,960 --> 01:11:59,160 I was like, no, it's not fucking fine. 1704 01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:00,059 Get hold of your dog. 1705 01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:00,269 Yeah. 1706 01:12:00,300 --> 01:12:00,750 You know what I mean? 1707 01:12:00,750 --> 01:12:02,550 I've got a dog and it's on a lead over there. 1708 01:12:02,639 --> 01:12:02,849 Right? 1709 01:12:02,849 --> 01:12:04,110 Like my daughter was scared. 1710 01:12:04,110 --> 01:12:04,889 She was crying. 1711 01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:08,130 That's a good application of it. 1712 01:12:08,340 --> 01:12:12,900 But also if you are followed at night, I, yeah, I highly recommend it. 1713 01:12:12,900 --> 01:12:15,809 I actually have the bear spray at my front door. 1714 01:12:15,809 --> 01:12:15,900 Mm-hmm. 1715 01:12:16,019 --> 01:12:17,250 Like when I'm not there. 1716 01:12:17,850 --> 01:12:19,860 Then spray that through the side of the door. 1717 01:12:19,860 --> 01:12:20,700 Close the door again. 1718 01:12:20,700 --> 01:12:24,030 Or if someone's breaching the door, then spraying it, covering that whole 1719 01:12:24,030 --> 01:12:25,740 room, and then going in the back room. 1720 01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:26,970 Barricading yourself. 1721 01:12:26,970 --> 01:12:27,930 That's a good deterrent. 1722 01:12:27,934 --> 01:12:28,305 Mm-hmm. 1723 01:12:28,465 --> 01:12:28,985 I think it's a great one. 1724 01:12:29,679 --> 01:12:32,500 Uh, the thing for the UK is it's like classed as a firearm, 1725 01:12:32,500 --> 01:12:34,120 though we don't have fear. 1726 01:12:34,420 --> 01:12:34,780 Yeah. 1727 01:12:34,780 --> 01:12:35,410 It's pretty fucking, 1728 01:12:36,190 --> 01:12:36,580 yeah. 1729 01:12:36,580 --> 01:12:39,099 And of course, like none of this is legal advice. 1730 01:12:39,130 --> 01:12:42,340 I've, I have talked to lawyers and I have gotten opinions and 1731 01:12:42,340 --> 01:12:46,900 everything's gonna be situationally dependent and what the intent was and 1732 01:12:46,900 --> 01:12:48,490 why you had it and whatever it is. 1733 01:12:48,940 --> 01:12:55,240 But, uh, carrying OC for people, illegal carrying OC for dogs, legal, using OC 1734 01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:58,120 on dogs, you know, I've talked to, um. 1735 01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:04,850 Uh, SBCA and dog handlers, and they say, you know, if you got a 1736 01:13:04,850 --> 01:13:07,580 really aggressive dog, the, the spray doesn't work that great. 1737 01:13:07,820 --> 01:13:13,820 Oh, what does the, uh, a SP baton, the asp, the um, uh, expandable baton when 1738 01:13:13,820 --> 01:13:17,720 dog dock or whatever you're gonna go with says that, that tends to work pretty good. 1739 01:13:18,500 --> 01:13:19,010 Oh, okay. 1740 01:13:19,730 --> 01:13:26,240 Um, but on people, oc bear spray tends to help take some of the fight out of them. 1741 01:13:26,420 --> 01:13:27,200 Definitely. 1742 01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:30,770 And especially for, for women, you know, if you're getting followed 1743 01:13:30,770 --> 01:13:33,920 someone's approach, you know, even producing and saying, go back, 1744 01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:35,390 they're gonna, oh, fuck, then. 1745 01:13:35,390 --> 01:13:35,720 Right? 1746 01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:35,915 They're gone. 1747 01:13:35,975 --> 01:13:36,620 You know what I mean? 1748 01:13:36,830 --> 01:13:40,280 How, who's gonna run through bear spray unless they really, 1749 01:13:40,280 --> 01:13:41,660 really want what they want? 1750 01:13:42,230 --> 01:13:47,150 Well, I think, uh, the book, and I'm like I say I got a little ambitious 1751 01:13:47,150 --> 01:13:49,160 when I said that I've already, I'm gonna have it done by the. 1752 01:13:49,679 --> 01:13:52,589 Today I did a speed read through a number of the chapters. 1753 01:13:52,589 --> 01:13:54,719 I'm gonna go back and read through 'em 'cause I'm finding I'm 1754 01:13:54,719 --> 01:13:56,099 getting a lot of value out of it. 1755 01:13:56,250 --> 01:14:00,389 Um, it helps, uh, look at things from a little bit different perspective and some 1756 01:14:00,389 --> 01:14:02,009 of the experiences that you bring in. 1757 01:14:02,549 --> 01:14:06,030 Um, is there anything else on the book that we should be talking about or 1758 01:14:06,030 --> 01:14:07,469 should we move on to something else? 1759 01:14:08,129 --> 01:14:08,790 Uh, yeah. 1760 01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:09,915 No, that's, that's about 1761 01:14:09,959 --> 01:14:10,349 it really. 1762 01:14:10,349 --> 01:14:10,709 Yeah. 1763 01:14:10,799 --> 01:14:11,219 That's good. 1764 01:14:11,519 --> 01:14:15,719 It, um, it's just a good guide for any man in the future. 1765 01:14:15,719 --> 01:14:20,099 And there'll be times in your life when you might go on vacation or traveling. 1766 01:14:20,309 --> 01:14:23,250 You might move to a new town, you might get a new job where you are 1767 01:14:23,610 --> 01:14:27,959 in charge of sensitive information or equipment, and then there's parts 1768 01:14:27,959 --> 01:14:31,559 that you can just revisit, you know, and look at it through that lens. 1769 01:14:31,559 --> 01:14:34,049 Oh, this is the new threat that I'm encountering. 1770 01:14:34,500 --> 01:14:39,000 The danger is that I'm holding large amounts of cash or in the corporate 1771 01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:43,709 world, sensitive information now that I might be a target for. 1772 01:14:44,700 --> 01:14:50,040 Armed robbery or espionage, which is one lot people don't think about. 1773 01:14:50,100 --> 01:14:50,550 Sure. 1774 01:14:50,940 --> 01:14:53,430 Or if you have children later down the line, then yeah, 1775 01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:54,600 it's a good guide to revisit. 1776 01:14:55,980 --> 01:14:57,420 And how can people get this book? 1777 01:14:57,600 --> 01:14:58,320 Uh, Amazon. 1778 01:14:58,590 --> 01:14:58,950 Okay. 1779 01:14:59,250 --> 01:14:59,490 Yeah. 1780 01:14:59,850 --> 01:15:00,480 When's it available? 1781 01:15:00,480 --> 01:15:01,320 Is it already available now? 1782 01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:01,650 Yeah. 1783 01:15:01,710 --> 01:15:03,780 Well, when this is dropped, it'll be available. 1784 01:15:04,170 --> 01:15:04,500 Awesome. 1785 01:15:04,710 --> 01:15:05,400 Excellent. 1786 01:15:05,850 --> 01:15:06,420 Okay. 1787 01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:09,660 Um, so Amazon Man Protect. 1788 01:15:11,070 --> 01:15:16,050 Now your YouTube channel has got some pretty diverse information on there. 1789 01:15:16,050 --> 01:15:18,450 There's a lot of it that's gonna apply to Man Protect, but you 1790 01:15:18,450 --> 01:15:24,180 also talked about a, um, uh, a trip down on a Ayahuasca retreat. 1791 01:15:25,170 --> 01:15:26,490 That was earlier this year. 1792 01:15:26,519 --> 01:15:26,790 Yeah. 1793 01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:29,040 As a life changing experience, I'd say. 1794 01:15:29,070 --> 01:15:32,160 I think that's interesting as hell are, are you still 1795 01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:33,809 involved with Hero Heroic Arts? 1796 01:15:33,870 --> 01:15:34,139 Yep. 1797 01:15:34,139 --> 01:15:35,610 I'm still an ambassador for them. 1798 01:15:35,700 --> 01:15:36,000 Okay. 1799 01:15:36,059 --> 01:15:38,790 And, uh, they're doing a lot of different projects. 1800 01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:41,040 They have a Canadian branch now. 1801 01:15:41,460 --> 01:15:45,480 Um, and so they have the, the American started first and the 1802 01:15:45,480 --> 01:15:49,049 British, and then the Canadian, and now there's an Australian branch. 1803 01:15:49,110 --> 01:15:49,200 Hmm. 1804 01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:53,519 Um, so veterans from all these different countries are going to retreats in 1805 01:15:53,519 --> 01:15:56,309 Peru, Costa Rica doing ayahuasca. 1806 01:15:56,309 --> 01:16:00,269 They also do psilocybin, um, sessions in places as well. 1807 01:16:00,299 --> 01:16:02,130 Holland is one of the locations. 1808 01:16:02,549 --> 01:16:03,030 Um. 1809 01:16:03,135 --> 01:16:05,475 So they're, they're active, very active. 1810 01:16:05,655 --> 01:16:08,805 I like to promote them when I do my fight and always wear 'em on my shorts. 1811 01:16:08,805 --> 01:16:11,355 And any media that I do, I promote them. 1812 01:16:11,655 --> 01:16:17,955 I'm also gonna be doing guiding myself like, 'cause I went to a retreat in 1813 01:16:17,985 --> 01:16:22,035 deep in the Amazon jungle of Peru and I really researched where I was going. 1814 01:16:22,995 --> 01:16:26,415 There's a book, um, fellowship of the River that I read. 1815 01:16:26,415 --> 01:16:29,355 And this shaman is, I've gone to the same guy. 1816 01:16:29,745 --> 01:16:31,275 They're the Shabo tribe. 1817 01:16:31,275 --> 01:16:35,445 So they've been in this region healing warriors and different 1818 01:16:35,445 --> 01:16:39,915 types of people for hundreds and hundreds, some say thousands of years. 1819 01:16:40,275 --> 01:16:46,905 Uh, they used to heal the Inca Warriors 500 years ago, and it's a real kind of. 1820 01:16:48,059 --> 01:16:49,799 Raw bones experience. 1821 01:16:49,860 --> 01:16:53,309 You can go to Costa Rica and stay in a five star hotel and have this 1822 01:16:53,309 --> 01:16:56,070 experience and that suits some people. 1823 01:16:56,340 --> 01:17:00,269 But I wanted to go to the heart of it where it's been a tradition 1824 01:17:00,269 --> 01:17:02,490 that's carried on in a tribe setting. 1825 01:17:02,610 --> 01:17:04,080 So this is their tribal grounds. 1826 01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:09,630 So you go and stay in like a wooden hut on stilts in the middle of the Amazon jungle. 1827 01:17:09,630 --> 01:17:14,309 Mm. Um, and part of it was the experience of doing that and venturing 1828 01:17:14,309 --> 01:17:15,900 down there on the Amazon River. 1829 01:17:16,259 --> 01:17:18,030 It was awesome to go down there. 1830 01:17:18,030 --> 01:17:21,570 Even if I didn't do the ayahuasca, I would've had a great time just 1831 01:17:21,690 --> 01:17:25,559 unplugging from reality technology and all that just for a week. 1832 01:17:25,559 --> 01:17:27,719 I was there for just over a week. 1833 01:17:28,590 --> 01:17:33,450 So you gave me a book a while back and I think it was called 1834 01:17:33,450 --> 01:17:34,469 How to Change Your Mind. 1835 01:17:34,500 --> 01:17:35,160 Is that what it's called? 1836 01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:35,549 Yeah. 1837 01:17:35,785 --> 01:17:36,235 Yeah. 1838 01:17:36,235 --> 01:17:38,095 And then he, he's like, did you read the book? 1839 01:17:38,095 --> 01:17:39,055 I'm like, I gotta be honest. 1840 01:17:39,055 --> 01:17:40,555 I just haven't got around to reading this book. 1841 01:17:40,555 --> 01:17:41,455 He's like, don't worry about it. 1842 01:17:41,455 --> 01:17:43,015 There's a Netflix show you can watch. 1843 01:17:43,345 --> 01:17:44,575 It has all the information on it. 1844 01:17:44,575 --> 01:17:45,685 Just watch a Netflix show. 1845 01:17:45,685 --> 01:17:45,865 Right. 1846 01:17:45,865 --> 01:17:45,955 Yeah. 1847 01:17:45,955 --> 01:17:46,795 That's much easier. 1848 01:17:46,825 --> 01:17:47,065 Yeah. 1849 01:17:47,755 --> 01:17:52,675 So I watched that one and, uh, I gotta tell you, it's, it's, 1850 01:17:52,885 --> 01:17:56,095 uh, it's interesting, like I sat down on the podcast with a, uh. 1851 01:17:57,225 --> 01:18:00,855 Uh, JTF two fellow, and, uh, he's like, you know, I don't like drugs. 1852 01:18:00,885 --> 01:18:03,675 I don't do drugs, but you know, there's this time we did ayahuasca. 1853 01:18:03,675 --> 01:18:05,415 And then I, and he goes through all these different things. 1854 01:18:05,415 --> 01:18:06,345 I'm like, hold on a second. 1855 01:18:06,765 --> 01:18:07,965 What are you calling drugs? 1856 01:18:08,055 --> 01:18:08,144 Right. 1857 01:18:08,625 --> 01:18:12,135 There's, yeah, and there's this stigma around psychedelics and 1858 01:18:12,135 --> 01:18:14,894 drugs that I was always raised with. 1859 01:18:15,375 --> 01:18:19,875 Talking to yourself, talking with, uh, other people who've gone this 1860 01:18:19,875 --> 01:18:22,245 route or watching the Netflix show. 1861 01:18:22,245 --> 01:18:23,835 I don't, maybe it was cold. 1862 01:18:23,835 --> 01:18:24,585 How to change your mindset. 1863 01:18:24,585 --> 01:18:24,855 It was, 1864 01:18:24,855 --> 01:18:25,155 yeah. 1865 01:18:25,215 --> 01:18:25,635 Okay. 1866 01:18:26,415 --> 01:18:27,225 Who was the author? 1867 01:18:27,644 --> 01:18:28,305 Michael Poland. 1868 01:18:28,365 --> 01:18:29,445 Michael Poland, that's right. 1869 01:18:29,445 --> 01:18:29,745 Yeah. 1870 01:18:30,375 --> 01:18:37,275 And, um, it, it's shines a very, very different light on what I 1871 01:18:37,275 --> 01:18:39,975 think most people were raised to look at these things as. 1872 01:18:40,785 --> 01:18:41,115 Yeah. 1873 01:18:41,295 --> 01:18:44,085 And I actually call them medicines. 1874 01:18:44,325 --> 01:18:45,795 Um, plant medicines. 1875 01:18:46,184 --> 01:18:49,695 There's a. There's two kind of fields of thought here. 1876 01:18:49,695 --> 01:18:54,375 There's obviously the medical side, psychologists, psychiatrists there. 1877 01:18:54,465 --> 01:18:58,965 They use MDMA, they use ketamine therapy, they use psilocybin. 1878 01:18:59,144 --> 01:18:59,325 Mm-hmm. 1879 01:18:59,384 --> 01:19:02,355 Uh, now they're using ibogaine, which is the big one in America. 1880 01:19:02,804 --> 01:19:08,745 Um, so Ketamine, MDMA, these are kind of chemicals that are made by man. 1881 01:19:09,014 --> 01:19:09,255 Sure. 1882 01:19:09,255 --> 01:19:13,275 You know, and then I'm in the other kind of branch, although there's benefits of 1883 01:19:13,275 --> 01:19:15,644 these, they're not really in my interest. 1884 01:19:15,644 --> 01:19:20,745 I think there's a, there's a deeper thing going on with these medicines 1885 01:19:20,745 --> 01:19:22,215 that are grown from the earth. 1886 01:19:22,695 --> 01:19:27,525 Um, for the mushrooms, for instance, ayahuasca, ibogaine, which is 1887 01:19:27,525 --> 01:19:29,865 from the iboga plant in Africa. 1888 01:19:29,924 --> 01:19:30,045 Mm-hmm. 1889 01:19:30,045 --> 01:19:32,415 It's used in a tribal setting for many years. 1890 01:19:32,865 --> 01:19:38,144 Um, I think there's a, there's a deeper thing going on there that I'm, 1891 01:19:38,865 --> 01:19:43,875 is ingrained in, like consciousness and how the universe works. 1892 01:19:44,110 --> 01:19:44,400 Okay. 1893 01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:44,410 Uh. 1894 01:19:45,870 --> 01:19:48,630 Which has a lot of healing benefit. 1895 01:19:49,019 --> 01:19:52,890 Um, I think it's the missing link of humanity to be honest. 1896 01:19:53,250 --> 01:19:57,269 There's a lot of recurring messages when you go and do these psychedelic journeys 1897 01:19:57,570 --> 01:20:00,269 and they are good messages for humanity. 1898 01:20:00,540 --> 01:20:05,519 Like being at one with nature, taking from only what you need, not being 1899 01:20:05,519 --> 01:20:12,269 greedy, um, is forgiveness is a message that is recurring that I've had. 1900 01:20:12,300 --> 01:20:16,890 And also other friends have rekindled friendships where after their 1901 01:20:16,890 --> 01:20:21,150 psychedelic experiences, like I had a falling out with a good friend of mine. 1902 01:20:21,150 --> 01:20:22,410 I was best man at his wedding. 1903 01:20:22,410 --> 01:20:23,730 It was over a business thing. 1904 01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,640 Uh, and we didn't talk for four years. 1905 01:20:26,790 --> 01:20:30,780 And then I had an experience in one of my psilocybin journeys where I thought 1906 01:20:30,780 --> 01:20:34,650 about him and the whole relationship and how he's like a brother to me. 1907 01:20:34,769 --> 01:20:39,240 Mm. And then I made contact again and they were good friends again. 1908 01:20:39,510 --> 01:20:43,559 You know that that breaking down of my kind of. 1909 01:20:44,129 --> 01:20:46,740 My mindset of, oh fuck that, da da dah. 1910 01:20:46,889 --> 01:20:47,250 Right? 1911 01:20:47,309 --> 01:20:47,490 It 1912 01:20:47,490 --> 01:20:47,969 was 1913 01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,759 because of the psychedelic experience I had. 1914 01:20:51,450 --> 01:20:52,950 Forgiveness is an interesting one. 1915 01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:56,460 You know, the Bible preaches that forgiveness is, forgiveness is divine. 1916 01:20:56,549 --> 01:21:01,559 Um, I, I don't know if I found a workaround for forgiveness. 1917 01:21:02,610 --> 01:21:06,660 Uh, I've always had a very difficult time when someone's done something 1918 01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:09,059 to forgive them for what they did. 1919 01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:12,599 And like some people, I don't think deserve forgiveness, but maybe, 1920 01:21:13,559 --> 01:21:15,030 and I was told by some I agree with 1921 01:21:15,030 --> 01:21:15,330 that. 1922 01:21:15,389 --> 01:21:15,750 Yeah. 1923 01:21:16,110 --> 01:21:16,410 Yeah. 1924 01:21:16,410 --> 01:21:16,964 It depends what they've done. 1925 01:21:17,144 --> 01:21:19,990 You know, I was told by one person that, um, I said. 1926 01:21:20,985 --> 01:21:26,175 Here's my theory, may maybe forgiveness doesn't mean you have to forgive the other 1927 01:21:26,175 --> 01:21:32,175 person, but it means you forgive yourself for trusting that person or being put in 1928 01:21:32,175 --> 01:21:34,545 a situation and so then you can move on. 1929 01:21:34,545 --> 01:21:36,105 And they said, no, that's just a workaround. 1930 01:21:36,105 --> 01:21:37,665 But I'm not, I'm not entirely sure. 1931 01:21:38,145 --> 01:21:38,925 I'm not entirely sure. 1932 01:21:38,925 --> 01:21:39,735 That's correct. 1933 01:21:39,735 --> 01:21:43,305 I, uh, the forgiveness thing I think is a very interesting one. 1934 01:21:43,305 --> 01:21:46,455 Clearly it's been preached about over the ages. 1935 01:21:46,845 --> 01:21:51,045 How did, uh, I guess two part question so I don't forget it all. 1936 01:21:51,375 --> 01:21:55,695 Uh, what would the difference between calling these a drug or a medicine? 1937 01:21:55,695 --> 01:22:00,225 Would it just be intent and how it's used and how does the using 1938 01:22:00,225 --> 01:22:02,445 of that help with forgiveness? 1939 01:22:03,195 --> 01:22:03,855 Uh, I would 1940 01:22:03,855 --> 01:22:05,625 say it would be the intent. 1941 01:22:05,835 --> 01:22:06,225 Yeah. 1942 01:22:06,555 --> 01:22:08,625 Um, as a medicine. 1943 01:22:09,509 --> 01:22:13,320 People take psychedelics, like for partying and stuff. 1944 01:22:13,679 --> 01:22:18,089 I'm actually not massively against that because taking mushrooms at a music 1945 01:22:18,089 --> 01:22:22,980 festival is way safer than taking MGMA or ecstasy or these other chemicals 1946 01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:29,639 'cause there's no real recorded, um, negative effects of it on your body. 1947 01:22:29,849 --> 01:22:31,019 Mm. Or your mind. 1948 01:22:31,139 --> 01:22:35,129 It's actually good for your body and mind in lots of studies to show this. 1949 01:22:35,549 --> 01:22:40,049 Um, although using it recreationally isn't like really, but when you're 1950 01:22:40,110 --> 01:22:43,379 putting it up against, like a lot of my friends back home, they go 1951 01:22:43,379 --> 01:22:48,360 to I BFA and they smash cocaine and ecstasy for a binge for a week. 1952 01:22:48,900 --> 01:22:53,429 Um, and that's just the culture of when you go to IB for and dance and 1953 01:22:53,429 --> 01:22:55,650 party, it's not good for your body. 1954 01:22:55,650 --> 01:22:57,089 No, it's not good for your health. 1955 01:22:57,660 --> 01:23:03,179 Um, but if you were to go to a music festival and do mushrooms as opposed 1956 01:23:03,179 --> 01:23:07,589 to alcohol or these other hard drugs, uh, I don't see a problem with that. 1957 01:23:07,799 --> 01:23:08,009 Hmm. 1958 01:23:08,759 --> 01:23:14,129 That, that would be a problem in terms of the law and sure things, but I see it 1959 01:23:14,129 --> 01:23:21,719 as a, a mental health tool that can, as a medicine that can help, um, heal the 1960 01:23:21,719 --> 01:23:28,650 root of the pain, to be honest, other than what the other mental health tools we have 1961 01:23:28,650 --> 01:23:30,660 today are kind of masking the symptoms. 1962 01:23:31,559 --> 01:23:32,040 Yeah. 1963 01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:38,790 So I mean, I, I guess the idea behind it is that you use it and in the future 1964 01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:42,780 you don't have to, you work through something and then you're, you get better. 1965 01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:46,830 Or is it something that people have to do over and over and over again 1966 01:23:46,830 --> 01:23:52,769 or, like, I, I know the idea of, let's say SSRIs antidepressants. 1967 01:23:53,610 --> 01:23:55,200 It's, it's a weird cocktail. 1968 01:23:55,230 --> 01:23:56,580 Everyone's brain's a little different. 1969 01:23:56,639 --> 01:24:00,599 And doctors are, a lot of times just throwing darts at a dart board 1970 01:24:00,599 --> 01:24:02,130 and seeing, oh, did I get close? 1971 01:24:02,130 --> 01:24:02,790 Did that get it? 1972 01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:03,330 Yeah. 1973 01:24:03,389 --> 01:24:08,250 And I, and I know people who are on antidepressants and how they say 1974 01:24:08,250 --> 01:24:11,340 it's fantastic, and then a little while later, it's a worst thing ever. 1975 01:24:11,429 --> 01:24:14,340 And then they have to change it, but they're always on it. 1976 01:24:14,575 --> 01:24:15,000 It doesn't 1977 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:16,170 seem to be a plan. 1978 01:24:16,349 --> 01:24:20,580 Like the doctor, oh, things are getting worse and they just up your dose and like. 1979 01:24:20,910 --> 01:24:22,320 Where's the end goal here? 1980 01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,930 We just live the rest of our lives on this drug. 1981 01:24:25,710 --> 01:24:30,990 Mm. What we see with Ayahuasca, ibogaine, psilocybin is that people 1982 01:24:30,990 --> 01:24:34,950 are getting, they're facing the root of the problem, particularly with PTSD 1983 01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:37,830 and to go on like an ayahuasca journey. 1984 01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:42,090 Some people may have a negative kind of perception of it, but 1985 01:24:42,150 --> 01:24:43,740 it's not an easy thing to do. 1986 01:24:43,860 --> 01:24:45,210 Like I went there for a week. 1987 01:24:45,210 --> 01:24:47,190 I did four ceremonies in that week. 1988 01:24:47,700 --> 01:24:49,830 Two ceremonies were enlightening. 1989 01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:51,090 I got a lot from it. 1990 01:24:51,090 --> 01:24:54,180 I asked a lot of questions and I got the answers that I really 1991 01:24:54,180 --> 01:24:59,130 wanted to hear and healing I, but then I got one ceremony where it 1992 01:24:59,130 --> 01:25:02,760 was really kind of a dark ceremony. 1993 01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:06,945 I was facing some things that happened to me when I was a young. 1994 01:25:07,575 --> 01:25:11,295 Younger person and that that is really healing. 1995 01:25:11,295 --> 01:25:12,405 You have to go into that. 1996 01:25:12,915 --> 01:25:17,025 And this, that's the scary part and that's why a lot of people won't really do it. 1997 01:25:17,085 --> 01:25:19,934 The first thing is they say they have to be in control all the time. 1998 01:25:19,934 --> 01:25:22,575 That's, that's the one thing you have to let go. 1999 01:25:22,724 --> 01:25:24,825 You have to like, kind of let it happen. 2000 01:25:24,825 --> 01:25:25,875 You can't be fighting it. 2001 01:25:26,115 --> 01:25:28,785 If there's a vision or something coming to you, you have to go with it. 2002 01:25:28,964 --> 01:25:32,025 Mm. And I'm the kind of person that I'm interested. 2003 01:25:32,025 --> 01:25:36,105 I wanna investigate if this, if there, if I do see a dark thing coming, mm, I'm 2004 01:25:36,105 --> 01:25:38,570 like, okay, what are you, what is this? 2005 01:25:39,075 --> 01:25:41,625 And then usually you'll be shown through a process. 2006 01:25:42,045 --> 01:25:46,245 Um, so after that one ceremony, that was kind of a dark one where I, it was kind of 2007 01:25:46,724 --> 01:25:51,945 not say traumatic, but afterwards I felt in a down state, I was, I wouldn't say 2008 01:25:51,945 --> 01:25:53,985 depressed, but I was not happy for a day. 2009 01:25:53,985 --> 01:25:57,075 I had a day off the next day and I, if I'd left it at that, I would've 2010 01:25:57,075 --> 01:25:59,355 been like, maybe this isn't for me. 2011 01:25:59,355 --> 01:26:00,525 I dunno what I'm doing here. 2012 01:26:00,795 --> 01:26:02,174 It kind of showed me my. 2013 01:26:03,615 --> 01:26:07,005 The worst parts of my life that I've decisions that I made. 2014 01:26:07,335 --> 01:26:07,635 Okay. 2015 01:26:07,845 --> 01:26:12,495 But then at the end, it was shown that you gotta forgive yourself. 2016 01:26:12,525 --> 01:26:12,990 Do you know what I mean? 2017 01:26:12,990 --> 01:26:13,230 Mm-hmm. 2018 01:26:13,394 --> 01:26:14,805 You can't just dwell on this. 2019 01:26:14,805 --> 01:26:17,235 Like it was showing my imperfections. 2020 01:26:17,235 --> 01:26:22,485 And then at the end of it, for the other ceremonies, I was left on a high. 2021 01:26:22,785 --> 01:26:22,965 Mm-hmm. 2022 01:26:22,965 --> 01:26:23,625 I was. 2023 01:26:23,775 --> 01:26:27,644 But you kind of have to face these things to process it internally. 2024 01:26:27,644 --> 01:26:31,934 And I, there's a lot of studies going on, but the thing with me is 2025 01:26:32,205 --> 01:26:34,425 I don't need to know how it works. 2026 01:26:34,635 --> 01:26:36,105 I just know that it works. 2027 01:26:36,585 --> 01:26:36,915 Okay. 2028 01:26:37,095 --> 01:26:40,965 And a lot of other people, it's a human instinct to be like, we 2029 01:26:40,965 --> 01:26:43,035 need to know everything about it. 2030 01:26:43,035 --> 01:26:44,684 We need to say, this is the process. 2031 01:26:45,255 --> 01:26:46,125 I don't care. 2032 01:26:46,305 --> 01:26:48,855 I know it works, so fuck it, let's go for it. 2033 01:26:48,855 --> 01:26:51,075 And the downsides, I don't see 2034 01:26:51,075 --> 01:26:51,225 ' em. 2035 01:26:52,005 --> 01:26:55,394 Well, how do you titrate something that's plant-based like that? 2036 01:26:55,394 --> 01:26:58,305 Because you don't know if you're getting something that's, uh. 2037 01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:04,320 Super potent or not potent or, I mean, with the manmade stuff 2038 01:27:04,379 --> 01:27:06,900 you can titrate because you know exactly what they've put into it. 2039 01:27:06,959 --> 01:27:10,019 But with this, is it a bit of a craft shoot? 2040 01:27:10,379 --> 01:27:12,990 It is, but these people in the tribe that I went to do 2041 01:27:13,110 --> 01:27:15,179 ayahuasca, that's their trade. 2042 01:27:15,179 --> 01:27:18,660 They've done it for hundreds of years in a lineage passed down. 2043 01:27:19,049 --> 01:27:23,400 Um, so some brews, they cook it on site there every few days. 2044 01:27:23,639 --> 01:27:25,349 Some brews are stronger than others. 2045 01:27:25,379 --> 01:27:26,280 Mm. It's just known. 2046 01:27:26,459 --> 01:27:31,139 So, and also when you go through the journey, sometimes you'll have a strong 2047 01:27:31,139 --> 01:27:32,910 effect off the same amount of liquid. 2048 01:27:32,910 --> 01:27:35,280 And the, there's benefits to having a strong effect. 2049 01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,860 There's benefits to having a weaker effect. 2050 01:27:38,009 --> 01:27:38,190 Hmm. 2051 01:27:38,190 --> 01:27:39,780 Like I had some very strong ones. 2052 01:27:39,780 --> 01:27:43,049 The, the troublesome one for me was quite a strong dose. 2053 01:27:43,049 --> 01:27:46,259 They call it a bomber, and they say when you're there, you should try 2054 01:27:46,379 --> 01:27:49,825 and have a bomber at some point, because that's where you're gonna get. 2055 01:27:50,790 --> 01:27:53,670 You know, you've gone too far at that point, and then you're 2056 01:27:53,730 --> 01:27:56,610 trying to find your working dose where you can work through things. 2057 01:27:57,030 --> 01:28:01,349 It's running quite a medical kind of setting. 2058 01:28:01,620 --> 01:28:04,769 There's facilitators who are like medical professionals who go 2059 01:28:04,769 --> 01:28:07,860 through your intentions and they translate to the charman who is on 2060 01:28:07,860 --> 01:28:10,285 this kind of sacred spiritual role. 2061 01:28:10,345 --> 01:28:14,400 Mm. So it's kind of a merging of the two things. 2062 01:28:14,430 --> 01:28:14,820 Now. 2063 01:28:14,910 --> 01:28:16,769 I believe that's the way it has to be done. 2064 01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:21,870 Obviously pharmaceutical companies and that are gonna try and get in on it. 2065 01:28:22,110 --> 01:28:22,740 Sure. 2066 01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:23,010 Yeah. 2067 01:28:23,010 --> 01:28:28,165 But the reason I went to Peru is because there's a respect there with the shamans 2068 01:28:28,380 --> 01:28:33,660 and the tribal people that have been doing it for thousands of years, that there's 2069 01:28:33,660 --> 01:28:36,014 a. I, I want to go and get it from them. 2070 01:28:36,014 --> 01:28:36,105 Sure. 2071 01:28:36,525 --> 01:28:41,205 You know, they've been carrying on these traditions, um, for a long time. 2072 01:28:41,264 --> 01:28:42,434 They've been healing people. 2073 01:28:42,855 --> 01:28:46,514 Um, and there's something about that, there's something about being in the, 2074 01:28:46,634 --> 01:28:50,955 the rainforest and being in nature and the way of life that they have. 2075 01:28:51,134 --> 01:28:51,434 Mm-hmm. 2076 01:28:51,495 --> 01:28:54,705 Um, and that's also something that I found from psilocybin that 2077 01:28:54,705 --> 01:28:58,844 I did in this country on my own, not with a, a retreat or anything. 2078 01:28:59,505 --> 01:29:03,014 Um, like the First Nations native way of life of taking what you 2079 01:29:03,014 --> 01:29:05,655 need and being at one with nature. 2080 01:29:05,775 --> 01:29:09,825 That's a recurring message that is kind of universal to the 2081 01:29:09,974 --> 01:29:11,480 experience, which is one that, hmm. 2082 01:29:12,145 --> 01:29:14,725 Would be good for humanity to adopt. 2083 01:29:14,845 --> 01:29:18,055 'cause the greed of man is the root of all evil. 2084 01:29:18,445 --> 01:29:21,415 Is there a big difference between psilocybin and ayahuasca? 2085 01:29:21,685 --> 01:29:22,135 Yeah. 2086 01:29:22,375 --> 01:29:22,765 Yeah. 2087 01:29:23,275 --> 01:29:25,015 Um, there is, 2088 01:29:25,045 --> 01:29:27,265 but ayahuasca's stronger. 2089 01:29:27,355 --> 01:29:30,295 It's more intense experience. 2090 01:29:30,295 --> 01:29:30,505 The. 2091 01:29:30,780 --> 01:29:37,230 Visuals, um, uh, and it's longer psilocybin is, is, it's a different 2092 01:29:37,230 --> 01:29:40,770 kind of thing, but you can still achieve great healing from it. 2093 01:29:40,830 --> 01:29:41,160 Mm-hmm. 2094 01:29:41,220 --> 01:29:46,080 Um, but I think there's benefit to being in this setting where the shamans look 2095 01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:50,730 after you, the facilitators are there to help if you need help, and then 2096 01:29:50,730 --> 01:29:54,780 the next day you integrate the whole experience as a group with the shaman. 2097 01:29:55,050 --> 01:29:57,060 You ask questions, they say, what happened? 2098 01:29:57,060 --> 01:29:57,900 What did you see? 2099 01:29:57,900 --> 01:29:59,340 How, how did this feel? 2100 01:29:59,610 --> 01:30:02,700 Also part of that ceremony is they take you up during the 2101 01:30:02,700 --> 01:30:04,860 night, during the full on effects. 2102 01:30:04,860 --> 01:30:08,880 You, the facilitator takes you up to the shaman and he sings a healing song. 2103 01:30:09,330 --> 01:30:13,020 Mm. To whatever intention that you've given, like a, an ailment on 2104 01:30:13,020 --> 01:30:14,520 your body, a mental health thing. 2105 01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:14,820 Sure. 2106 01:30:15,030 --> 01:30:18,300 Um, and that actually is the way that it used to be. 2107 01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:22,110 'cause these shamans, they drink the medicine at the same time as you. 2108 01:30:22,620 --> 01:30:26,100 So they're drinking it ing like five times a week for like 2109 01:30:26,430 --> 01:30:27,240 holy, their whole life. 2110 01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:29,220 Well, it's gotta build up a tolerance in, I'm sure. 2111 01:30:29,220 --> 01:30:29,730 Yeah. 2112 01:30:30,420 --> 01:30:33,210 Well, so is that what you're looking at or would you be a 2113 01:30:33,210 --> 01:30:35,100 shaman or a facilitator or what? 2114 01:30:35,610 --> 01:30:37,500 Uh, no, no, I wouldn't be a shaman. 2115 01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:39,450 They have to study for years and years and years. 2116 01:30:39,450 --> 01:30:39,750 Got it. 2117 01:30:39,755 --> 01:30:40,615 It's a very respectful thing. 2118 01:30:40,710 --> 01:30:43,800 It's like becoming a black belt in Juujitsu, that sort of, and you'd have to 2119 01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:44,400 sing in. 2120 01:30:44,910 --> 01:30:45,240 Yeah. 2121 01:30:45,245 --> 01:30:45,535 Is that all? 2122 01:30:46,165 --> 01:30:47,280 Yeah, yeah. 2123 01:30:47,670 --> 01:30:52,050 No, my role would be a facilitator, um, where I would 2124 01:30:52,050 --> 01:30:54,270 be sober in the ceremony space. 2125 01:30:54,270 --> 01:30:58,020 It's pitch black, it's big moloka, like big circle, heart, massive. 2126 01:30:58,110 --> 01:31:00,210 Mm. And the shaman's on one side. 2127 01:31:00,480 --> 01:31:03,780 So you need to be brought up to the shaman and then back. 2128 01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,840 And sometimes you need to go to the washroom and they bring you to 2129 01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:08,430 the washroom and back in the dark. 2130 01:31:08,490 --> 01:31:08,700 Hmm. 2131 01:31:08,730 --> 01:31:09,210 And also. 2132 01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:15,390 Just be like, uh, just a guy there that is for veterans is the thing, right? 2133 01:31:15,480 --> 01:31:18,390 And having someone that's been through the experience and is on 2134 01:31:18,390 --> 01:31:22,620 their side and if they want to get out of there, I often get out of there. 2135 01:31:22,710 --> 01:31:23,370 Do you know what I mean? 2136 01:31:23,670 --> 01:31:28,560 And this also letting yourself go in an environment, especially for Veterinary's, 2137 01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,860 been through war is a hard thing, right? 2138 01:31:31,980 --> 01:31:33,870 Just to know that someone else is there. 2139 01:31:34,110 --> 01:31:35,610 Like, don't worry, no one's turning up. 2140 01:31:35,670 --> 01:31:37,290 There's no police gonna come in. 2141 01:31:37,290 --> 01:31:39,215 There's no animals for the real animals. 2142 01:31:39,215 --> 01:31:39,975 Right, right, right. 2143 01:31:40,475 --> 01:31:41,190 You know what I mean? 2144 01:31:41,250 --> 01:31:41,520 Yeah. 2145 01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:42,810 Just that security blanket. 2146 01:31:42,900 --> 01:31:43,710 So yeah. 2147 01:31:43,740 --> 01:31:46,170 And also all the information leading up to it. 2148 01:31:46,170 --> 01:31:49,170 And afterwards, there's certain protocols you have to follow, like 2149 01:31:49,170 --> 01:31:51,480 a strict diet, uh, two weeks before. 2150 01:31:51,810 --> 01:31:54,240 And, um, you kind of weeding out. 2151 01:31:55,140 --> 01:31:59,490 Technology and stuff in the weeks before and preparing yourself for the ceremonies. 2152 01:31:59,730 --> 01:32:02,550 So if people wanted to learn more about that, where would you direct them? 2153 01:32:02,940 --> 01:32:06,809 Uh, do the Reiki is my Instagram page. 2154 01:32:06,840 --> 01:32:06,930 Mm-hmm. 2155 01:32:07,260 --> 01:32:10,530 Um, I've actually got quite a bit of interest for my thing. 2156 01:32:10,530 --> 01:32:14,910 I'm doing like a six guy trip down there and I've pretty much filled that. 2157 01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:17,460 But in the years to come, so I'm gonna be doing. 2158 01:32:18,030 --> 01:32:18,750 One a year. 2159 01:32:18,870 --> 01:32:22,590 So I'm gonna be going in May, June, um, with veterans and guiding them. 2160 01:32:22,830 --> 01:32:27,510 Uh, I won't, I did do a video about it on YouTube to promote that and just 2161 01:32:27,510 --> 01:32:29,040 talk about my personal experience. 2162 01:32:29,250 --> 01:32:29,370 Gotcha. 2163 01:32:29,370 --> 01:32:32,610 It's like the first video on my channel, so if anyone wants to learn 2164 01:32:32,610 --> 01:32:35,970 more, the reason I made that video is to show the facilities of where I go. 2165 01:32:36,030 --> 01:32:36,390 Mm-hmm. 2166 01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:40,620 Um, the process, I talk about the things that I went through in the ceremony 2167 01:32:40,650 --> 01:32:44,400 is kind of a behind the scenes look so people can get a bit of more information. 2168 01:32:44,910 --> 01:32:48,420 Um, but yeah, my thing isn't open to, to everyone anyway. 2169 01:32:48,630 --> 01:32:52,680 It'll be a small, small knit team going down and, uh, doing it. 2170 01:32:53,130 --> 01:32:55,230 Um, and I won't be videoing it or nothing like that. 2171 01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:56,550 Come on guys. 2172 01:32:56,550 --> 01:32:57,030 Come on down. 2173 01:32:57,510 --> 01:32:58,560 Be on the YouTube channel. 2174 01:32:59,340 --> 01:33:00,060 Totally safe. 2175 01:33:00,060 --> 01:33:00,540 Don't worry. 2176 01:33:00,540 --> 01:33:04,410 Only us here and then the millions of people who watching my channel. 2177 01:33:05,310 --> 01:33:06,000 Oh man. 2178 01:33:06,300 --> 01:33:08,730 Is there anything we should be talking about that we haven't talked about? 2179 01:33:09,030 --> 01:33:09,630 Uh. 2180 01:33:10,425 --> 01:33:10,545 I 2181 01:33:10,545 --> 01:33:11,595 can't think of anything. 2182 01:33:11,684 --> 01:33:14,010 We should pressed record at the beginning before we, uh, conversation. 2183 01:33:14,010 --> 01:33:14,090 Yeah. 2184 01:33:14,090 --> 01:33:16,155 We had some interesting conversations 2185 01:33:16,155 --> 01:33:17,085 back then, didn't we? 2186 01:33:17,090 --> 01:33:17,330 Mm-hmm. 2187 01:33:18,464 --> 01:33:22,275 Yeah, this year I plan to fight in the next couple of months. 2188 01:33:22,455 --> 01:33:24,795 Um, I've just released the book. 2189 01:33:24,825 --> 01:33:26,295 I've got the YouTube channel. 2190 01:33:26,295 --> 01:33:29,144 The YouTube is basically teaching the techniques in the book. 2191 01:33:29,325 --> 01:33:31,995 So one of those videos, like a paragraph in the book? 2192 01:33:32,415 --> 01:33:32,504 Yes. 2193 01:33:32,535 --> 01:33:33,705 Or a few pages. 2194 01:33:33,705 --> 01:33:36,165 And I've got content for years from that. 2195 01:33:36,254 --> 01:33:38,894 'cause there's so many, so much information in the book. 2196 01:33:38,900 --> 01:33:38,910 Yeah. 2197 01:33:38,985 --> 01:33:41,295 So it's just a visual reputation representation of. 2198 01:33:42,175 --> 01:33:44,545 Showing how the technique will work. 2199 01:33:44,875 --> 01:33:45,655 That's the goal. 2200 01:33:45,865 --> 01:33:50,514 And I plan to travel around the world and test my skills in dodgy situations. 2201 01:33:51,115 --> 01:33:53,995 I feel like I can't just fucking live a normal life. 2202 01:33:53,995 --> 01:33:55,195 I want a bit of excitement. 2203 01:33:55,554 --> 01:33:55,795 Yeah. 2204 01:33:55,795 --> 01:34:01,165 I, I drive boats for a living now and it's gets boring and then the weather 2205 01:34:01,165 --> 01:34:05,184 comes in and it's like fucking logs in there and there's waves and there's 2206 01:34:05,184 --> 01:34:07,315 wind and I'm like, yeah, this is it. 2207 01:34:07,315 --> 01:34:08,005 Let's go out. 2208 01:34:08,005 --> 01:34:08,830 And then they're like, you need that? 2209 01:34:08,934 --> 01:34:09,325 Yeah. 2210 01:34:09,325 --> 01:34:10,554 And then they're like, oh no, it's too rough. 2211 01:34:10,554 --> 01:34:11,245 We're gonna call it. 2212 01:34:11,245 --> 01:34:12,595 I'm like, fuck, come on. 2213 01:34:13,285 --> 01:34:14,245 Want some excitement. 2214 01:34:15,565 --> 01:34:20,755 You know, I, when on the boat situation, I, uh, actually sold our, 2215 01:34:20,755 --> 01:34:24,925 our boat recently, but had a, uh, aluminum Hughes craft about 20 feet 2216 01:34:24,925 --> 01:34:26,755 long, 18 foot boat, two foot trance. 2217 01:34:26,755 --> 01:34:26,845 Nice. 2218 01:34:27,684 --> 01:34:31,735 And, um, the people I bought it from, I was like, well, like, 2219 01:34:31,735 --> 01:34:32,905 what do I gotta watch out for? 2220 01:34:32,905 --> 01:34:35,845 And they gimme some ideas and weather conditions and all the 2221 01:34:35,845 --> 01:34:36,955 rest, but they said, you know. 2222 01:34:37,695 --> 01:34:40,725 You ever see a boat washed up on a, on a beach somewhere? 2223 01:34:40,725 --> 01:34:43,395 I'm like, yeah, the boats will make it if you can hold on. 2224 01:34:43,845 --> 01:34:44,175 Right. 2225 01:34:45,075 --> 01:34:48,075 They can withstand rough conditions, much rougher than you're gonna 2226 01:34:48,075 --> 01:34:49,305 ever be able to withstand. 2227 01:34:49,365 --> 01:34:49,545 Yeah. 2228 01:34:49,570 --> 01:34:52,005 'cause I was concerned about what the boat could handle or not says. 2229 01:34:52,065 --> 01:34:56,265 Um, if you just keep that in the back of your mind, the the boat will do it. 2230 01:34:56,475 --> 01:34:56,955 Yeah. 2231 01:34:57,225 --> 01:34:59,175 Hold onto the boat and just go on through. 2232 01:34:59,655 --> 01:35:03,285 That'll probably alleviate some of the, uh, the trepidation that you might have in 2233 01:35:03,285 --> 01:35:04,725 some of these gnarly weather conditions. 2234 01:35:04,815 --> 01:35:05,925 Yeah, and it did. 2235 01:35:05,925 --> 01:35:09,675 I just said, alright, we'll just go slow if it's going up and down and stuff. 2236 01:35:09,675 --> 01:35:10,425 Banging into it. 2237 01:35:10,875 --> 01:35:11,535 We'll get there. 2238 01:35:11,535 --> 01:35:14,295 The boat will wash up somewhere if we can hold on, we're good. 2239 01:35:14,595 --> 01:35:14,985 Yeah. 2240 01:35:15,375 --> 01:35:16,215 Pretty resilient. 2241 01:35:16,485 --> 01:35:20,355 You need, uh, you need that excitement in your life, otherwise you're not living. 2242 01:35:20,475 --> 01:35:21,165 Exactly. 2243 01:35:21,165 --> 01:35:21,615 Yeah. 2244 01:35:21,855 --> 01:35:23,055 I think everyone's like that. 2245 01:35:23,415 --> 01:35:23,775 Yeah. 2246 01:35:24,225 --> 01:35:29,055 I had a, uh, recent podcast with a fellow and uh, become an out soon, but he's 2247 01:35:29,055 --> 01:35:34,395 building a refuge for the Man on fire and uh, he says he thinks that's sea. 2248 01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:39,360 That's the endangered species that we should be looking out for. 2249 01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:40,320 That people's Oh, 2250 01:35:40,350 --> 01:35:41,970 the, uh, jellyfish, is it? 2251 01:35:42,270 --> 01:35:42,570 No. 2252 01:35:42,575 --> 01:35:43,115 The man on fire? 2253 01:35:43,290 --> 01:35:48,060 No, no, the man on fire for the people who maybe don't fit into the 2254 01:35:48,060 --> 01:35:49,800 rule system, who want to go out. 2255 01:35:50,130 --> 01:35:50,700 Oh, okay. 2256 01:35:50,700 --> 01:35:54,540 He's got a, uh, thousand or two acres of property and he wants to have 2257 01:35:54,540 --> 01:35:59,130 about 30,000 acres and be able to do, you know, if you wanna get crazy, 2258 01:35:59,130 --> 01:36:02,160 get crazy, like, sounds a lot fun. 2259 01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:02,910 Interesting. 2260 01:36:02,940 --> 01:36:03,510 Okay. 2261 01:36:03,510 --> 01:36:06,300 But he's, he's talking about the spirit of people and how you need 2262 01:36:06,300 --> 01:36:09,835 to have that sense of danger, otherwise you're not living and Yeah. 2263 01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:14,220 And uh, I see that thing coming up more and more again. 2264 01:36:14,730 --> 01:36:15,480 Exactly. 2265 01:36:15,540 --> 01:36:15,960 Yeah. 2266 01:36:16,394 --> 01:36:19,575 That's probably my midlife crisis, getting into bare knuckle books. 2267 01:36:20,115 --> 01:36:20,775 Oh, there you go. 2268 01:36:20,985 --> 01:36:21,915 Hey, we'll do it while you're 2269 01:36:21,915 --> 01:36:23,295 still young enough to do it. 2270 01:36:23,295 --> 01:36:23,805 Exactly. 2271 01:36:23,805 --> 01:36:24,105 Yeah. 2272 01:36:24,555 --> 01:36:25,934 I think that's, yeah, that's all good. 2273 01:36:26,175 --> 01:36:26,925 Okay, man. 2274 01:36:26,925 --> 01:36:28,425 Well, sunny, thank you so much. 2275 01:36:28,425 --> 01:36:30,915 It was, uh, amazing having you on the podcast as usual. 2276 01:36:31,065 --> 01:36:32,025 Thanks for having me again. 2277 01:36:32,474 --> 01:36:33,315 See you next time. 2278 01:36:33,315 --> 01:36:33,974 Yes.