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Welcome to Digication
Scholars Conversations.

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I'm your host, Kelly Driscoll.

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In this episode, you'll hear Part Two
of my conversation with Bill Torgerson,

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a lecturer in Rhetoric and Composition
at Appalachian State University.

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My conversation with Bill took
place before Hurricane Helene, which

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has had devastating effects on the
campus and surrounding communities.

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We have included donation information
in the show notes for the App

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State Disaster Relief Fund and the
restoration of the treasured Valle

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Crucis Park in Bill's neighborhood.

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I was just curious if you'd stumbled
upon some Uh, students in creating these

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recommendations, if you encountered
work that may have been done beyond

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your course, that you could view in
the context of what they had done

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during their time with you too.

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There's so much growth that happens.

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Yeah, I don't, um, You know, if I put your
name in, you know, like a student turns in

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the wrong link or the links not working.

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And so I search and that's another
thing that's really nice about us all

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being on the same platform is, you know,
I'll do a little extra work to try to

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find your portfolio because whatever
you've turned in, isn't the right link.

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And then I'll see that you've maybe
created other portfolios, but usually I

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have so much to read and respond to that.

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I'm not.

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Poking around others, perusing.

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Well, so Bill, I, I also wanted
to bring up, so you ha I learned a

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little bit about you from your own,
um, kind of, uh, website when I

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was preparing to talk to you today.

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And there are some Lovely aspects.

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Uh, first of all, you
have your own podcast.

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Uh, I wanted to learn a little bit
about that if you'd like to share that

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with our listeners and kind of your
perspective on being a Writer that teaches

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writing, writing is still something
that you're doing creatively today

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and how that ties into what you might
be doing in your classroom currently.

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Yeah, so I have a podcast that I
call 'Torg Stories', um, and really

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the, the inception of it was, it
was just an excuse to talk to people

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I wanted to talk to, which you've
probably heard like that before.

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So I don't know if you know this,
um, for a period of maybe five years

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or so, um, I was what was called
the director of Creative Writing for

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the, uh, Rhode Island film festival.

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Oh, you were?

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No, I did not know that.

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Okay.

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So, I've, you know, been on your
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actually, had one film show there.

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Very cool.

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Um, so that started because, um, I wrote a
first novel called Love on the Big Screen.

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And, um, and I had studios, et cetera,
interested in the novel to option it.

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No one ever optioned it.

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Um, and I thought, well, I'm
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I'm going to adapt my own novel.

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Um, and so I did that and then, um,
that won the grand prize of the Rhode

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Island film festival competition.

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Um, and so now I got like this, this
all access pass at a film festival.

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And I really fell in love
with the short films.

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Um, it just had so much in common with,
uh, the short stories that I loved, for

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example, and documentary films, which
I've done a couple of those independently.

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Um, and that really paired with, uh,
you know, like the idea of an electronic

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portfolio and creating in digital spaces.

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So I would watch these short
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character sketches, really.

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Um, and I thought I can make one of these.

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Uh, and so then I started, I mean, so
being there led to me, um, going back

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to that idea of it's fun to make stuff.

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I made my first one was about my
father who hunted these things called

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Morale Mushrooms, which is a really
cool family artifact that we have,

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um, but, I mean, for example, there
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He was at the film festival, and
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called Buried, and Ryan Reynolds was
the star of this, this great, this,

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he wrote this screenplay so that he
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and almost the whole film takes place
in a coffin buried in the ground.

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I don't know if you've ever
seen Buried, but anyway.

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Ryan Reynolds ended up wanting to do it.

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And he was like, well, I can't
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wanted to interview this guy.

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So, um, and other people like him.

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And so I started this podcast
called it Torg Stories.

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So if I was like, Hey, Chris, do you want
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Talk to me.

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You know, no, not really.

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Um, I'm not too busy , but if I, if I get
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would you be a guest on my podcast?

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People tended to say yes to
that more than dinner with me.

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So that, that's kind of where it started.

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So it's been 20 years.

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They're not all available 'cause I've
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Sure.

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But it's just kind of turned into one.

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I get to talk to my sister.

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She's my most, we kind of
co-host most of the time.

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Okay, great.

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And then it continues to be an excuse.

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Um, to just invite anybody I want to
talk to for an hour onto my podcast.

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Well, I certainly understand that.

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I mean, that's part of
why you're here, Bill

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Yeah.

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I wondered what, like what you
would say is your motivation.

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I mean, I'm sure it's multi-pronged
to have these conversations.

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Yeah, well, it is multi-pronged.

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Um, I absolutely love the
community that we get to work

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with and that we serve with our.

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platform.

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Um, and I, you know, I often, I think, as
I mentioned before we started recording,

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you know, I feel like I've known you for a
long time, even though we haven't actually

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sat down to have a conversation like this.

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Um, and there's a lot of people out there
like that, you know, I've discovered them.

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Um, through ways that they have been
using the platform or things that they

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have shared in other social media areas
where they may have tagged Digication

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or, um, been speaking specifically about.

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using ePortfolios or, um, other
kinds of high impact practices

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where they're using Digication.

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And it's just been such a joyful
experience to see how, you know,

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people are using something that I've
created and the value that they have

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found in their teaching, the value
that students have found in, you

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know, learning about themselves.

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Connecting to other people within their
school communities or beyond, um, you

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know, we talked a little bit about these
kind of shifting kind of life trajectories

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and kind of pinnacle moments and very
often those Stories come out within the

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pages that they create within Digication.

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So you do get these kind of windows
into the, the people that you're, you

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know, helping to support and serve.

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And, um, but I don't often have the
opportunity to interact with everyone.

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And, right that's something that really
shifted when I, um, You know, began

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focusing on Digication full time and
was no longer directly in the classroom

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working with students one on one.

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Um, so this is something that
we've wanted to do for a long time.

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I think we're in our third year now
and, um, it's just so much fun to

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have the, the chance to, to talk
to people and to be able to share.

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Their experience with, with other
people that are kind of following

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our, our channel and interested
in the, the bigger community that

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they've kind of become a part of
through the use of this platform too.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Um, so I know another element of
your life that's very important

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is your love of basketball.

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And I hope that you might
share some stories about that

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aspect of yourself as well.

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Yeah, you know the first thing, I've
always kind of balanced between Um,

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liking to make stuff, which started as
writing and then just being a basket,

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a college, a small college basketball
player and a basketball coach.

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And I used to like try to, I
used to hide those parts of

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myself from each other's camp.

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Like, um, you know, when I was applying
for University jobs, I wasn't necessarily

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saying anything about basketball.

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And so I don't know if you'll know any of
these names, but somebody like Pat Conroy,

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um, who wrote "The Prince of Tides."

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Um, so he, he was a Writer.

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Um, you know, a respected Writer
at universities who also played

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basketball at the Citadel.

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Um, and who kind of balanced, um, Sports
and Academics and a guy named Richard

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Ford, uh, who won the Pulitzer and he
wrote a book called "The Sportswriter."

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Um, and a guy like John Irving who wrote
"The Cider House Rules" and was also

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the local high school wrestling coach.

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Um, So like those are three people I think
of who helped me sort of say I can proudly

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be a Creative Writer and I can proudly
be, uh, heavily involved in sports and

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really, um, I kind of transitioned from
coaching to, writing around  2002, and

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then I had, and I thought I was done with
coaching, and I was done with sports.

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Then I had two kids, and I used to,
so I lived in New Canaan, Connecticut

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for a while, and I had a second grade
daughter who's now a senior, and I

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used to play in this old guy pickup
basketball game at lunch, at the Y,

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and I had signed my daughter up for
second grade basketball, and they

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were like, and everyone calls me Torg.

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And they were like, Torg,
you're not a bad player.

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We don't have anybody to
work with these girls.

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Will you do it?

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And so literally, I just went
from being, okay, I'll, I'll

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work with these second graders.

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So that was like 15 little girls.

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And then I immediately started to see
like, Yes, I'm connecting with my students

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in the classroom, um, but nothing like I'm
connecting with these 15 second graders

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who I'm spending all this time with.

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So I just, it's sort of weird, I just kind
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school from second grade up through being
a senior and then like one thing leads to

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another, you know, she's a seventh grader.

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And they're like, would you
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And then I was an assistant and our
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Her name is Laura Barry.

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And she took an assistant job surprisingly
to us at Davidson College last August.

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And so it's like, she's like,
I think you should do it.

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And you know, some of the parents
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Um, and there's trickiness in being that.

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So I have two daughters on the team.

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It's hard on them.

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You know, I make.

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Every day you make decisions
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There's no way you can avoid it.

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Um, I'm sure you run into
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Um, and they, sometimes people take
it out on my kids a little bit.

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Um, but they were all for it.

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So we just had a really incredible
season, uh, where we went to the final

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four and we played at Wake Forest.

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Um, so we lost in the final four
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exhausting, but also thrilling.

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So, um, I've always kind of just like
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my writing, teaching, writing self with
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you know, working with kids in the gym.

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So it's much more, it started out much
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and be around their peers and it did
basketball, um, although I might be

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tricking myself a little bit on that.

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Oh, I mean, I just think that that is so
wonderful and what an opportunity for your

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daughters to, to be able to watch you in
this kind of leadership and mentoring and

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coaching role throughout their childhood.

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And, you know, you mentioned that.

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Um, you know, you're making these
decisions every day and that not,

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you know, not everyone's going to be
happy with those decisions and even

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for them to be able to see that kind
of decision making and response to,

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you know, certain times where there
may be friction and, uh, enjoying the,

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the competition, even when, you know,
the, the wind might not come through.

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Um, you know, what a wonderful experience.

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Right.

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If you take it back to like Art and
Sports, I mean, something I could

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start to see when my kids were very
young was some of the things that

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I had learned from sports that had
served me well, um, as being creative

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in that, for example, just the idea
of perseverance or taking criticism.

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So, you know, I grew up a
basketball player, constantly

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being evaluated, sometimes not very
cheerfully, um, my performance.

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And so when I was in graduate school and.

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Getting feedback on things I had
written, you know, some people

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really struggled with that.

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And for me, it was something that
I was used to, or, um, maybe, maybe

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set my first novel out, you know, 75
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know, an independent press took it.

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And just that it never occurred to me
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Whereas, I could see that other
people without that sports background

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maybe were more apt to give up.

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Or, you know, I applied for
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and only had four interviews.

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something in Sports or getting
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to lots of other areas of life.

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And so that's like something I wanted
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re engaged with Sports, which of course
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but that was just a path that we took.

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I feel really fortunate that, um,
you know, I had a lot of support

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from my father and he always
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So, uh, I also played
basketball growing up.

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Um, and, and soccer.

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I was better on the soccer field than
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enjoyed the game and being part of
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lot about, you know, just go try out.

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You may not get to play most games.

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You may end up sitting on the bench unless
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get out there for the last five minutes
or something, or you might find that this

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is something that, you know, becomes a new
passion for you, but you know, you don't

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know until you, until you give it a go.

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And I loved being part of the basketball
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was just helping during practice.

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You know, I didn't mind that
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cheering on the the sideline.

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Yeah, that's a hard sell probably
always but today just that all the

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rewards there are for being on a team
which have nothing to do with the

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number of minutes that you're on the
court or the shots that you're getting.

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That's something that I'm always
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kids would see if they were sort
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they hear so much from you know.

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'How many points did you score?'

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You're not getting to play.

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You should be playing.

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So it just always, you know, it is
fun to do those things, but also just

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pointing out all the rewards there
are that have nothing to do with play.

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And I'm sure so, and you may have some
obvious parallels that you can draw

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from, but I can't imagine that this
experience coaching doesn't somehow find

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its way into the way that you teach too.

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Are there certain things
that you draw from?

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I sort of try to not like behave
totally like a coach in the

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classroom, but I think I fail in that.

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I guess I worry about that.

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I know that the classroom is not
the practice court gym, um, but even

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some of my students, I think there's
just something about me that says

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coach because some of my students
sort of fall into calling me coach.

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In the classroom, I think just because
of the way I am, which is probably louder

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than most professors, more excitable, more
like moving around the room, sitting down

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next to you like, what's going on here?

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Maybe, you know, not not like
confrontational, but just More like, I

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am a presence here that you're going to
interact with when you're in this room.

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Um, and I think it, most of the time, in
observations, you know, from superiors or

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colleagues, it's usually very positive,
even though I feel self conscious about

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trying to tone that down a little bit.

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Um, but I do think that this, this would
be what I would point to as a coach and

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as a professor, you know, the ability
to learn content, the ability to present

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the content in an engaging way that makes
it easily digestible to the audience,

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whether it's a player or a student.

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Um, those are really important
in both of those spaces and

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probably strengths of mine.

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And I imagine that your students really
Enjoy the level of energy that you bring

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to the classroom, and I think for many
people, you know, that maybe don't know

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you and your classroom just listening to
this and thinking back that your title is

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Lecturer and Rhetoric and Composition, and
I can imagine that, you know, the first

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vision may have been someone standing at a
podium at the front of the classroom and I

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can imagine that, you know, the experience
in your classroom is very different that,

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you know, you're moving around and talking
to students and have a, um, high level

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of enthusiasm about, um, Storytelling
and learning and student success.

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And I think that, um, one of the most
transformative experiences I had as a

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teacher was I participated in what's
called the National Writing Project.

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And that's when I say I went from
a person who set, who stood at the

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podium and prepared lessons to a
person who sat next to my students

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as a fellow Writer and creator.

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So that changed everything.

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So it's even, even.

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Sometimes that's caused me, you know,
cause I've also, I've taught every

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grade, um, six through graduate school.

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So I've taught sixth graders and I've
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grade and seniors, uh, in high school.

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And then all the way up to working
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So, um, and one thing that ran
into trouble sometimes Would be a

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supervisor like a principal would come
in and observe me and they would be

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like, well, where's your teaching?

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You didn't do anything It's like everyone
in the room has a book that they're

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really interested in and everyone
is working on a writing project.

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You know with enthusiasm and all I'm
doing is walking around and saying

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keep going you're doing great as you
ask questions So it's a style that

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sometimes I had to sell and frame to
my superiors, but, uh, it's certainly a

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much more fun day working with students
when that's the way that you're working.

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Absolutely.

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And that, you know, I wish that more
classrooms could, could be that way.

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And, uh, I hope you get a lot
of support from your superiors

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currently in, in that style.

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I mean, great teaching is having
that student engagement, right?

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Yeah.

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The last two stops for me, you know, St.

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John's, uh, and here at App
State, um, incredible support.

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Just like, um, I feel like,
um, yeah, everybody's concerned

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about how I'm feeling.

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It is my energy good.

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And, um, as opposed to like
giving me orders about things.

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So, um, I, I, at App State, I
feel like I'm with my people, uh,

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as far as pedagogy is concerned.

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Yeah.

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Now, Bill, I have to.

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Mention this because it's behind you.

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In your video, you have a big, uh,
the big word 'Believe' up there.

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Right.

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Would you mind talking
about that a little bit?

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So does that mean that you've
seen 'Ted Lasso' or you have not?

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I have seen a, I have not seen every
episode, but I am a fan, but yeah.

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Um, it sounds like that might
be coming from Ted Lasso

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That's right.

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So, um, I mean, I already had,
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poster, but way before Ted Lasso.

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I had a picture, um, of
a unicorn in therapy.

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On the wall of my office, um,
and the unicorn is being told

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you have to believe in yourself.

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Um, so just a super corny, earnest,
perhaps midwestern - I'm from Indiana

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- um, you know, of just being a good person
and being helpful and we can do it.

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Um, and so Ted Lasso was a really
unusual show about, you know, kindness,

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uh, and it was weird to have, um, Such
a positive lead character in a show.

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Um, and so I, I also have some
Ted Lasso figurines back there.

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Some of those, those are
presents also from my family.

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Um, but, um, I just sort
of load up behind me.

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With artifacts of family life,
mostly a little bit of basketball.

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I got a little Larry Bird back there.

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Um, and then, and then Ted, you know,
I like Jason Sudeikis, who I think co

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created Ted Lasso, um, college basketball
player, which people don't know.

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Um, I'm also a big standup comedy guy.

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Um, so that's SNL and he was on SNL.

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So there's a lot of intersections
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sports and laughing and making stuff.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Well, and it sounds like
kindness also, and yeah.

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Thanks.

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Good.

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I, yeah.

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Great.

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Care for people.

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Yeah.

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Well, thank you so much
for joining me today, Bill.

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It was wonderful to have a chance to
connect with you and get to know you

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a bit more, even though I've felt like
we've known each other a long time.

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I really appreciate it.

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Um, I'm excited to share your
story with our listeners too.

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Yeah, I enjoyed, I enjoyed
talking with a host for a change.

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Usually I'm the one who's trying
to listen and also see what

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question I'm going to next.

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So it was, it was great to have you,
uh, carry the workload today, Kelly.

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Yeah.

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Well, my, my absolute pleasure.

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Take good care.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Bye.