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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Bible guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun, in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Good morning, good morning, we talk thing that through.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, Good morning to you and you.

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<v Speaker 2>Good job, thank you, thank you. Man. I just had

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<v Speaker 2>to sing long a little bit, did you? I did?

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<v Speaker 1>You did?

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<v Speaker 2>It was so much.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we did say last week that you can sing.

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<v Speaker 3>And people want to hear you, Jeff, there is a

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<v Speaker 3>longing for people who want to hear you sing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, then we're just gonna leave that right here. We

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<v Speaker 2>go sometimes sometimes and sometimes that longing is better than

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<v Speaker 2>the actual you know, wanting a thing is better than

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<v Speaker 2>actually getting it. Sometimes, Come on, you you can sing? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what did Shakespeare say about longing?

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<v Speaker 1>Weren't you a worship leader at your church?

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<v Speaker 2>I was fifteen years fifteen years. I have a degree

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<v Speaker 2>in music, and so I'm the only person on her

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<v Speaker 2>staff that has a degree in music.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, our worship leader trade doesn't have a degree in music.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm not what does he have a degree in?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, not music.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, he's just a great singer. Yeah, he's a singer

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<v Speaker 3>and a really good Christian. He has a degree in life.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a better worship leader than me by far. So

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<v Speaker 3>here's a question. So when you were a worship leader,

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<v Speaker 3>you sang, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit, a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>He was also a trumpet player, but you weren't the

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<v Speaker 1>primary singer.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I was the primary singer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, So you're just trying to avoid it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's no things are gone and the new things

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<v Speaker 2>have come, trying to avoid saying that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So I so I at my first church, I

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<v Speaker 1>was the worst leader for three years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the reason why I was there seven and

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<v Speaker 1>a half years.

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<v Speaker 3>But but the they kept on, you know, toying around

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<v Speaker 3>with like paying a guy part time, and and then

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<v Speaker 3>we kept on losing guys. There was a really small

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<v Speaker 3>church and paid him a hundred bucks a week and

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<v Speaker 3>that kind of thing. So it was just it was

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<v Speaker 3>just hard to maintain worship leader, right, and it's a

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<v Speaker 3>small church, you know, limited people. So so the last

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<v Speaker 3>three years he asked me to step in and then

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<v Speaker 3>I guess, you know, he didn't have to pay anybody,

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<v Speaker 3>and I get I did a good job, I guess,

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<v Speaker 3>so he just let me carry the load and work.

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<v Speaker 1>Twice as hard.

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<v Speaker 2>People love it when you sing.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't play an instrument, and I don't read music,

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<v Speaker 3>and I have no degree in music.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I was leading worship in the old

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<v Speaker 2>Baptist churches. So it was you know, Victory and Jesus

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<v Speaker 2>and playing my trumpet, you know. So I would play

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<v Speaker 2>along a lot, so i'd get the song started. I'd

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<v Speaker 2>play along a lot, do all that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was yeah, yeah, but I've been I've been

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<v Speaker 2>lead pastored longer than I was a worship leader.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, how long you've been a lead pastor?

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<v Speaker 2>Eighteen years? It'll be nineteen in just a couple weeks, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's my old life in my new life.

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<v Speaker 1>I got you. I got you.

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<v Speaker 3>Somebody asked me, They're like, hey, why don't you ever

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<v Speaker 3>sing a solo at church or whatever? Because I did

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<v Speaker 3>sing one? Remember that one? That one that I sang.

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<v Speaker 3>It was it was a funny kind of a song.

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<v Speaker 3>But I said, I said why would I? Why would I?

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<v Speaker 3>I said, I could barely keep a tune. And I said,

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<v Speaker 3>we have all these great singers that are phenomenal, right,

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<v Speaker 3>like in my old church. I understand why because I

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<v Speaker 3>was the best one there.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a very strong feeling about just a statement,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it. Beware of worship leaders who sing, who preach,

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<v Speaker 2>and preachers who sing. There you go, yeah, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right?

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<v Speaker 1>And why is that.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually preachers who want to sing all the time. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a look at me. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing with the singers who want to then

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<v Speaker 2>just educate you and and preach at you whatever. So

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't like the Jeff show. Right, So man,

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<v Speaker 2>let's let's let those that are gifted and have been

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<v Speaker 2>preparing and working hard at it, let them do that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I'm going to come out with the thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I prepared for. But for me to prepare to

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<v Speaker 2>do both when there's highly skilled people around, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>I just try to leave it alone. I try to go.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it, but I try to leave alone as

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<v Speaker 2>much as I wouldn't mind it. If Trey found some

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<v Speaker 2>brass stuff and decided you wanted to add some brass

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<v Speaker 2>into a song or something like that, you know, that'd

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<v Speaker 2>be fun to do. It take me several weeks, have

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<v Speaker 2>probably a couple of months to get back in shape. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it takes me years to get back to where I

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<v Speaker 2>was right, But it'd be fun to play play a

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<v Speaker 2>little something. But yeah, that's it. That's the only reason

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<v Speaker 2>I just I want to stay in my lane. My

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<v Speaker 2>lane right now is teaching gotcha?

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<v Speaker 1>All right? Very cool?

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<v Speaker 3>Yell A little side message for those who are wondering.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, So so today we are doing a guess

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<v Speaker 2>the word. It's kind of like taboo, you know, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to give you some clues to see

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<v Speaker 2>if you can guess the word without me saying any

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<v Speaker 2>of the italicized words. So I have five words that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not allowed to say.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, and if you're watching on video as opposed to listening,

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<v Speaker 3>hopefully Desiree and the crew will put the words that

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<v Speaker 3>you are not allowed to say on the screen.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So in the first one, the first one, the first

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<v Speaker 2>word is this Amos is warning the people that God

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<v Speaker 2>is going to bring what judgment? There you go, judgment.

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<v Speaker 2>I was allowed to say decision, court, opinion, law, or verdict.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, okay, I'll get that pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's right. You pick it and eat it?

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<v Speaker 1>Apple?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh almost, yes, their fruit? There you go. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to say food, tree, sweet plant, or apple, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that's right, that's okay. Uh. In the old days, after

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<v Speaker 2>a convicting message, we would go down to.

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<v Speaker 1>The river to your baptized.

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<v Speaker 2>No no, no, no no, we go down there to pray. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>The pastor will be up at the front. Oh, the altar,

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<v Speaker 2>the alter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So I wasn't gonna say religious ceremony, church sacrifice or worship.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Oh man, I should have got that.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I said the river to your baptized.

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<v Speaker 1>You said olden days, and I was My mind went

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<v Speaker 1>with ye yeah yeah all the way back.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I stacked some wood and I light a match.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh fire, there you go, flames, hot, burned, smoke and heat.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't allowed to.

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<v Speaker 3>Say, is there is there like a oh? Is this

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<v Speaker 3>is this indicative of what we're about to read today?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so too.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I need glasses because this is getting worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Vision vision there you go, eyes, sight, see, future, and dream.

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<v Speaker 2>You nailed it?

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<v Speaker 1>And how many points?

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<v Speaker 2>Well you got five there? So uh you got five

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<v Speaker 2>extra points.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the make up for ROST week where you're like

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<v Speaker 3>you have one hundred thousand points each question.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I got five points.

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<v Speaker 2>You got five points. All right, so man, you add

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<v Speaker 2>up last week and this week you have like one

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<v Speaker 2>point one million, three hundred thousand and five points.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so funny. That's really funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fantastic. Well, speaking of judgment and visions and fire,

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<v Speaker 2>oh wow that transition, yea, as Amos is bringing it

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<v Speaker 2>in this Yeah wow, and fruit I guess. Yeah, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're gonna talk about a plumb line when.

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<v Speaker 3>The game, when the game is built around the passage,

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<v Speaker 3>it's easy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was an easy one. Thanks for that. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is a really interesting passage to me, uh, this

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<v Speaker 2>one and the next one. So he's going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about fire, he's gonna talk about plumb line, he's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>talk about locus, he's gonna talk about fruit, He's can

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<v Speaker 2>talk about an altar. Right. He thinks these are all visions. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>these are really interesting visions. I love how Amos decides

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with these things. So we're reading in Ams

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<v Speaker 2>chapter seven and it says Sovereign Lord, the Sovereign Lord

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<v Speaker 2>showed me a vision. I saw him preparing to send

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<v Speaker 2>a vast swarm of locusts over the land. And this

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<v Speaker 2>was after the king's share had been harvested from the fields,

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<v Speaker 2>and as the main crop was coming up, in my vision,

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<v Speaker 2>the locusts every green plant in sight. And then I said,

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<v Speaker 2>oh Lord, oh Sovereign Lord, please forgive us, or we

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<v Speaker 2>will not survive, for Israel is too small. So the

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<v Speaker 2>Lord relented from his plan. I will not do it,

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<v Speaker 2>he said. Then the Sovereign Lord showed me another vision.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw him preparing to punish his people with a

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<v Speaker 2>great fire. The fire had burned up the depths of

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<v Speaker 2>the sea and was devouring the entire land. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I said, oh, Sovereign Lord, please stop, or we will

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<v Speaker 2>relented from this plan too. I'll not do that either,

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<v Speaker 2>said the Sovereign Lord. Then he showed me another vision.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw the Lord standing beside a wall that had

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<v Speaker 2>been built using a plumb line, and he was using

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<v Speaker 2>The Lord said to me, Amos, what do you see,

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<v Speaker 2>I answered, A plumb line. The Lord replied, I will

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<v Speaker 2>test my people with this plumb line. I will no

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<v Speaker 2>longer ignore all their sins, the pagan shrines of your

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<v Speaker 2>ancestors will be ruined and the temples of Israel be destroyed.

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<v Speaker 2>I will bring the dynasty of King Jereboam to a

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<v Speaker 2>sudden end. Then Amaziah, the priest of Bethel, sent a

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<v Speaker 2>message to Jereboam, King of is Is. Amos is hatching

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<v Speaker 2>a plot against you right here on your own very doorstep.

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<v Speaker 2>What he is doing is intolerable, or what he is

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<v Speaker 2>saying is intolerable. He is saying jerobol and will soon

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<v Speaker 2>be killed and the people of Israel be sent away

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<v Speaker 2>into exile. Then Amaziah sent orders to Amos, get out

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<v Speaker 2>of here, you prophet. Go on back to the land

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<v Speaker 2>of Judah and earn your living by prophesying there. Don't

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<v Speaker 2>bother us with your prophecies here in Bethel. This is

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<v Speaker 2>the king sanctuary and the national place of worship. But

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<v Speaker 2>Amos replied, I am not a professional prophet, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was never trained to be one. I'm just a shepherd

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<v Speaker 2>take care of sycamore fig trees. But the Lord called

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<v Speaker 2>prophesy to my people Israel. Now, then listen to this

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<v Speaker 2>message from the Lord. You say, don't prophesy against Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop preaching against my people. But this is what the

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and well there, and we're talking about he's giving

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<v Speaker 3>and I can't even comprehend it. We don't know the

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<v Speaker 3>culture of kings, right, we don't know that. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>what did you say before you kept on referencing months ago?

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<v Speaker 1>You said that like King David used to kill messengers.

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<v Speaker 3>And so it's like, if you go before a king,

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<v Speaker 3>You know, every time we preach Esther, we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>She was she was the queen, but she could be

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<v Speaker 3>Right because because she walked in unannounced, without an appointment. So,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the kings, you know, were pretty absolute authority,

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<v Speaker 3>here we have this, you know, and then Elijah. I mean, goodness,

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<v Speaker 2>against the king and his advisers, questioning their authority and

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<v Speaker 2>exposing their sin. The kings often saw the prophets as

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<v Speaker 2>enemies rather than as God's spokesmen who were really trying

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<v Speaker 2>to help them in the nation. Yeah, you know, sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>I've had this happen. I've had people get mad at me.

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<v Speaker 2>They come in and ask for advice, right right, come

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<v Speaker 2>in and ask for some advice, some guidance, whatever. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I'll say, can I can I speak bluntly, just

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<v Speaker 2>tell you what the Bible says. Yes, that's why I'm here, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you tell them stop doing this. What you're

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<v Speaker 1>You, right as if you wrote the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And then they tell their friends pastor Jeff's so judgmental,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, I didn't write it right, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not being judgmental. I asked you, can I tell you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted me to tell you the truth from the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Then when I tell you the truth from the Bible,

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<v Speaker 2>then I'm being judgmental, right. And God, All's God is

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<v Speaker 2>doing with his prophets is saying, wake up, dangers coming

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<v Speaker 2>because of your bad behavior. If the king had heard him, right,

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<v Speaker 2>if Amazia had heard Amos and listened, he would have

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<v Speaker 2>avoided all of these horrible things, right, and so it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a blessing from God that he sent amous.

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<v Speaker 2>But sometimes when we're living in our sin, we don't

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a note from a life application study Bible,

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<v Speaker 3>which we love, by the way, and it said that

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<v Speaker 3>people had no appetite for God's word when profits like

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<v Speaker 3>Amos brought it. Because of their apathy, God said that

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<v Speaker 3>he would take away even the opportunity.

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<v Speaker 1>To hear his word.

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<v Speaker 3>We have God's word the Bible, but still we still

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<v Speaker 3>look everywhere except in scripture to answer life's problems.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what you just said.

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<v Speaker 3>You can help them by directing them to the Bible,

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<v Speaker 3>showing them the parts that speak into the special needs

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<v Speaker 3>and questions.

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<v Speaker 1>God's word is available to us.

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<v Speaker 3>Let us show people, let us help people.

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<v Speaker 1>Nope, oh yeah, let us help people know it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know why I couldn't comprehend that before a

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<v Speaker 3>time comes when they cannot find it.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yes, before they can't find it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right there you go. So, yeah, that's exactly what

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<v Speaker 3>you just said. And yeah, I've definitely had that too.

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<v Speaker 3>I've had my share of people who get mad. And

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<v Speaker 3>uh recently I made a comment from the stage and

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't mean to say it flippantly, but I said

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<v Speaker 3>it flippantly. But but all I was really trying to

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<v Speaker 3>do in my heart was just make reference to what

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<v Speaker 3>the Bible says, right, you know, it's like, this is

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<v Speaker 3>what God says, and so I made it. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's spoken to it, you know, a controversial issue and

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<v Speaker 3>and people said, oh, you just didn't take time to

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<v Speaker 3>explain it, you know, because it's such a sensitive issue

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<v Speaker 3>in society today. Uh. Well, I wasn't trying to treat

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<v Speaker 3>it with flippancy. I really wasn't. I felt really bad

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<v Speaker 3>about it, I told you, right, Ye, I felt bad

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<v Speaker 3>about it because, uh, I don't want to I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to ever disrespect people's sensitive.

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<v Speaker 1>Issues in their lives.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. So, like, you know, if somebody, uh you know,

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<v Speaker 3>votes a certain way, or somebody has a preference of

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<v Speaker 3>what they believe the Bible says and doesn't say, or

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<v Speaker 3>whatever it is, all these all these hot topics in

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<v Speaker 3>society today, right Like like I like, I know what

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<v Speaker 3>the Bible says in a lot of these areas and uh,

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<v Speaker 3>and I unapologetically will stand up and say this is

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<v Speaker 3>what the Bible says, right, I didn't write it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's a little peek into the reality of being

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<v Speaker 2>a pastor, you know, speak a public speaker from stage.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>So you and I on a weekend, we'll say fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>thousand words every message, and then you preached four messages

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<v Speaker 2>that Sunday, right, right, right, So you probably said fifty

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<v Speaker 2>ten thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>No when I when I write a message, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was twenty two hundred one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you don't. You say way more than what

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<v Speaker 2>you write. You think it's that much works? I bet

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<v Speaker 2>it's at least ten thousands.

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<v Speaker 1>You're trying to say. Are you trying to say I ramble?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, no, no, no no, that's what it's like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you know what if the Hostpery is convicting you, Chris.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's say you say ten thousand words, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>either is ten thousand words on Sunday. Right, You're saying

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<v Speaker 2>way more words than everybody else in the room. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>And so things come out in ways we don't always

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily mean for them, right, And so on occasion we'll

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<v Speaker 2>make a little mistake here there. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you and I were always working on we have meetings

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<v Speaker 2>in between services to make it better, meeting, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're always trying to figure out how to refine a

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<v Speaker 2>On occasion, though, we say a thing that is true,

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<v Speaker 2>but we say it in a way that people can't

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<v Speaker 2>swallow it, right, They just can't take it in. And

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<v Speaker 2>so that's one of the challenges for us is to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that we bring God's word in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that is prophetic and respectful, but direct and clear. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But on occasion we'll say it in a way that

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<v Speaker 2>comes off a little bit more flippant or whatever. And

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes that can just be our own slight discomfort with

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<v Speaker 2>the topic. Sure, right, it's slightly discomfort uncomfortable, and so

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<v Speaker 2>so you and me both will use humor to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of cover up when we're not comfortable with the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And so sometimes we'll say a thing a little less

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<v Speaker 2>and this dude walks right up and goes, let me

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<v Speaker 2>tell you king, you're telling me to quit telling you

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<v Speaker 2>what God has to say. Your wife's going to be prostitute,

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<v Speaker 2>your kids are going to all get killed. How about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm guessing he didn't make a joke there, right, right, right?

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<v Speaker 2>And so there is a lot of difficulty in being

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<v Speaker 2>And this is why even you and me we look

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<v Speaker 2>at this. We're public speakers all the time, We're bringing

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<v Speaker 2>God's word all the time. But the boldness of these

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<v Speaker 2>prophets going in front of a king who could execute

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if.

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<v Speaker 3>People really take the time to think about this, but

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<v Speaker 3>like think about the idea that God created the church

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<v Speaker 3>and that God wants people to give to the church, right,

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<v Speaker 3>so like you know, to give their money, yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And the standard that God set in the Old Testament

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<v Speaker 3>was a tithe and so we use that standard, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what we say. Hey, there's a standard that we use,

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<v Speaker 3>and so we talk about that. Well, think about this.

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<v Speaker 3>If a person makes you know, three hundred thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 3>like a really rich person, right, the word of God

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<v Speaker 3>suggests that they should you know, you could argue and

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<v Speaker 3>say commands thirty thousand dollars. And so then then it's

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<v Speaker 3>like you sign up to be a preacher and all

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<v Speaker 3>of a sudden, it's like, Okay, go ahead and stand

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<v Speaker 3>person that they have to write a check over the

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<v Speaker 3>course of a year.

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<v Speaker 2>That they don't have to, but God expects them to write.

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<v Speaker 1>And so think about that difficult assignment.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And by the way, not to mention that the

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<v Speaker 3>full time ministry workers, we get paid by people's generosity.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And so that is so uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're talking about like a pastor who is uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 3>to preach what we believe truly is what God says.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet it's a little uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 3>That's one of the most difficult assignments for any pastor,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe, which is why most preachers that are you know,

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<v Speaker 3>that are on the up and up, they actually avoid

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<v Speaker 3>the money, the topic of money a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>They are uncomfortable with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Or or popular sins, or there's all kinds of things

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<v Speaker 2>pastors don't want to talk about, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, right, yeah, yeah, And it's not it's not as

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<v Speaker 3>if we're afraid to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just that we need to be if.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gonna if we're gonna open a can of worms,

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<v Speaker 3>we need to dedicate the minutes that is that are

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<v Speaker 3>that are required depending on the sensitive topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Or we can say a thing directly without being

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<v Speaker 2>flippant about it, that's right, right, just confident. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>always have to there's not time to unpack every single

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<v Speaker 2>idea we bring up, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Which would translates into respect.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, there's another thing I want to mention one.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the plumb line solution. Illustration here. If you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what a plumb line is. A lot in

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<v Speaker 2>the old days, in order to make sure a wall

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<v Speaker 2>was level or straight, uh, they would have a heavy

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<v Speaker 2>weight at the bottom of a string and then you'd

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<v Speaker 2>let this let let the string go down, and then

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<v Speaker 2>that will always go straight, and then you can build

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<v Speaker 2>your wall straight next to it. Right. And so God's saying,

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<v Speaker 2>I hate it when my people are crooked, and the

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<v Speaker 2>only way they can know their crooked is if there's

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<v Speaker 2>a plumb line to point it out, right, So the

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<v Speaker 2>plumb line proves that it's crooked. Have you ever made

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<v Speaker 2>a thing and you thought it was straight? Until you

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<v Speaker 2>put a level on it, right, right, that's what he's

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<v Speaker 2>doing so every other day. So this is an ancient

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<v Speaker 2>version of a level. This is what he's doing here.

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<v Speaker 2>So I love that. But the most powerful thing in here.

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<v Speaker 1>Which by the way, they still use plumb lits.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, the most powerful thing in here that

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<v Speaker 2>I love is God goes, all right, stand back, Amos.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to send a bunch of locusts, and Amos goes, God,

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<v Speaker 2>if you do that, you're going to wipe us out

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<v Speaker 2>because we're just a little Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Bible says God relented from his plan, and

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<v Speaker 2>then God says, all right, I'm going to show you

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<v Speaker 2>another vision. I'm going to send fire and it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to evaporate all the water and burn the entire land.

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<v Speaker 2>And Amos says, oh, Sovereign Lord, please stop, or will

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<v Speaker 2>not survive because this was too small. We're just a

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<v Speaker 2>little Israel. Yeah, And he repents again on behalf of

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<v Speaker 2>the nation. And there's something about this idea. I think

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<v Speaker 2>moms and dads repenting for the family, leaders repenting for

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<v Speaker 2>the nation. Right. The Bible says that the prayers of

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<v Speaker 2>a godly person accomplishes much right, and we don't realize

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<v Speaker 2>how much it accomplishes. But here this is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the times it happens with Abraham, it happens with Moses,

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<v Speaker 2>where God says, okay, because my man is praying, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to hold back my hand a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>on this and extend mercy. And I think that it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter what you think. The state of the nation

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<v Speaker 2>is right now, be begging God for protection in our nation,

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<v Speaker 2>be begging God to hold back his hand on our families.

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<v Speaker 2>And all those who was the.

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<v Speaker 3>King just recently where he said this judgment is going

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<v Speaker 3>to happen, and then that king repented and he said, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>because you repented, it's not going to happen in your lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh he was wicked, really wicked, but he said, God,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry for this one. And guessys, okay, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen in your lifetime. The judgment is coming,

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<v Speaker 2>but not in your lifetime.

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<v Speaker 3>So in other words, there's evidence that God can be persuaded,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. And it's not just the super elite like

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<v Speaker 3>Amos or the super elite by Abraham or Moses, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know when it.

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<v Speaker 3>Says the effective fervent prayer of a righteous man avails

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<v Speaker 3>much or it accomplishes much. Certainly, that is true. It's

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<v Speaker 3>it's for those who love and seek God. Just don't

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<v Speaker 3>ever forget that your prayer matters, that prayers change things.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is what's so great about Amos is Amos

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<v Speaker 2>isn't one of the super elite prophets, right, right. Amos

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<v Speaker 2>literally says, that's exactly right, dude. I'm just a shepherd

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<v Speaker 2>take care of sycamore fig trees, That's what I do.

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<v Speaker 2>God just sent the message to you.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's a righteous man, but he's not the elite.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, he's just a godly man. He's a man

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<v Speaker 2>following God. But Israel's not following God, but he is.

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<v Speaker 2>So God goes, well, okay, then you go tell the king. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And so he's just a shepherd who watches, who takes

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<v Speaker 2>care of fig trees.

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<v Speaker 3>So God is persuaded by all three of these classes, right,

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<v Speaker 3>the elites, the godly who are not the elite. And

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<v Speaker 3>then even even the wicked God will hear. And so

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<v Speaker 3>so when we repent and when we pray and we

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<v Speaker 3>go to God, just know that it is possible. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>after all, doesn't Jesus even say. He says, the Kingdom

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<v Speaker 3>of Heaven is like and he gives an illustration about

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<v Speaker 3>the guy knocking, and he says, hey, hey, get up

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<v Speaker 3>and give me some bread. I have some neighbors that

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<v Speaker 3>are coming into town. And he says, go away, for

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<v Speaker 3>we're all sleeping right, And then he says, Then he

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<v Speaker 3>knocks again and says please, And he says, but because

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<v Speaker 3>of your persistence, And he doesn't say, because you're righteous.

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<v Speaker 3>He doesn't say, because you know of the things that

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<v Speaker 3>you've done in the past. He says, because of your

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<v Speaker 3>persistence of coming to me. He says that he will

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<v Speaker 3>get up and he'll give the man some bread. And

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<v Speaker 3>he says, and that is what it's like to pray

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<v Speaker 3>to your heavenly Father. So Jesus himself even gave us

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<v Speaker 3>a formula. And what it's really saying is prayer matters.

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<v Speaker 3>It's saying that go to God. And so yesterday morning,

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<v Speaker 3>our good friend had surgery on our staff and I

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<v Speaker 3>woke up and I said, Okay, God, I'm gonna pray.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna pray on his behalf. I told him I would,

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<v Speaker 1>so I had to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>So as soon as I woke up and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>ah and off, and I said, I gotta pray, gotta

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<v Speaker 3>pray for Chris. He's having surgery to day. So I prayed.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't believe that it's something just to say, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I prayed for you. It's it's something that actually is

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<v Speaker 3>Like God, I pray that you will do these things right,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, guide the doctor's hands, restore him to full health.

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<v Speaker 3>I pray everything goes well. And and I'm and I'm hoping,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm believing that that prayer is going to matter

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<v Speaker 3>in his surgery, because that's what God tells us, right,

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<v Speaker 3>That's why we pray for others.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea, the prayers of a righteous person accomplishes much.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. Hey, there's a couple of sermons in there,

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<v Speaker 1>good one. I like it.

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<v Speaker 3>There's there's a bunch of favorite favorite verses in the prose. Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll see you next time I'm on the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, H