WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:08.350 --> 00:00:12.540 Travis Bader: I'm Travis Bader, and this is the Silvercore podcast. 00:00:13.380 --> 00:00:17.930 Silvercore has been providing its members with the skills and knowledge 00:00:17.950 --> 00:00:22.620 necessary to be confident and proficient in the outdoors for over 20 years. 00:00:22.710 --> 00:00:26.790 And we make it easier for people to deepen their connection to the natural world. 00:00:27.730 --> 00:00:30.500 If you enjoy the positive and educational content. 00:00:30.710 --> 00:00:35.530 We provide, please let others know by sharing, commenting, and 00:00:35.530 --> 00:00:39.630 following so that you can join in on everything that Silvercore stands for. 00:00:40.710 --> 00:00:43.340 If you'd like to learn more about becoming a member of the 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:47.929 Silvercore club and community, visit our website at silvercore. 00:00:47.940 --> 00:00:48.370 ca. 00:00:52.030 --> 00:00:55.310 Today's guest is a good old Canadian boy who grew up hunting and fishing 00:00:55.310 --> 00:00:58.549 and exploring the outdoors and now offers training programs on 00:00:58.550 --> 00:00:59.770 marksmanship and self growth. 00:01:00.500 --> 00:01:03.850 He's a well educated and passionate proponent for post traumatic 00:01:03.860 --> 00:01:07.350 growth, the art of adversity and the expansion of consciousness. 00:01:07.800 --> 00:01:08.359 All right. 00:01:08.410 --> 00:01:10.969 And at some point in between, he was a sniper and assaulter with 00:01:10.969 --> 00:01:14.089 Canada's tier one elite special forces joint task force too. 00:01:14.899 --> 00:01:17.709 Welcome to the Silvercore podcast, Jeff Depatie. 00:01:17.950 --> 00:01:18.729 Jeff Depatie: Thanks Trev. 00:01:18.750 --> 00:01:23.149 Uh, it's always a pleasure to be on, uh, these shows, you know, a 00:01:23.149 --> 00:01:25.390 lot of guys, uh, gals don't really. 00:01:26.450 --> 00:01:30.030 Take it for granted how much effort goes into it, how much passion and drive. 00:01:30.030 --> 00:01:33.869 So it's a pleasure being on and I see you got the poppy on there. 00:01:34.310 --> 00:01:34.960 Travis Bader: Yes. 00:01:35.049 --> 00:01:35.339 Yeah. 00:01:35.339 --> 00:01:38.190 It'll, it'll date the show for sure, but it'll be coming out in a couple of days. 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:42.919 So, um, and yeah, a lot of passion and drive in order to just do whatever the 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:44.734 endeavor somebody is going to be into. 00:01:44.885 --> 00:01:49.415 But it's not just a matter of picking up a microphone and, uh, and, and 00:01:49.415 --> 00:01:51.265 chatting if you want it to be successful. 00:01:51.265 --> 00:01:52.475 So I appreciate that. 00:01:52.475 --> 00:01:56.205 And clearly you've been in this realm for a while and you understand that too. 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.670 Jeff Depatie: Yeah, yeah, it's a, it's a different space, you know, when 00:02:00.670 --> 00:02:05.020 you're, when you're hustling from a bit of passion, not all the normal 00:02:05.020 --> 00:02:07.869 constructs of society are there, right? 00:02:07.969 --> 00:02:12.910 You don't, uh, you don't have the same streams that feed our normal system. 00:02:12.910 --> 00:02:15.360 So, uh, I appreciate it. 00:02:16.339 --> 00:02:18.990 Travis Bader: Well, you're sort of the, you know, looking at. 00:02:19.670 --> 00:02:24.340 Other shows that you've done and work that's out there on the, on the old 00:02:24.380 --> 00:02:31.509 interwebs, kind of a poster boy for, um, for wayward youth and adults who. 00:02:32.835 --> 00:02:38.454 Didn't really have too much of a, um, uh, a goal perhaps in mind to begin 00:02:38.454 --> 00:02:41.395 with, but you figured things out and you made things work in a system that 00:02:41.395 --> 00:02:45.134 maybe wasn't entirely designed for you, which I think was pretty inspiring. 00:02:45.134 --> 00:02:48.264 And of course you've got the whole flavor of, uh, love in the outdoors and the, 00:02:48.275 --> 00:02:52.524 in the back hopper, which fits in great with, uh, what Silvercore Outdoors does. 00:02:52.605 --> 00:02:56.385 Um, Can I ask you a little bit about what your youth was like, because I 00:02:56.385 --> 00:02:59.645 know everyone's going to want to hear about selection and JTF2 and all of 00:02:59.645 --> 00:03:02.975 these other things, but I, I want to obviously talk about that, but I'd 00:03:02.975 --> 00:03:05.014 like to talk about what makes you. 00:03:06.365 --> 00:03:07.105 Yeah. 00:03:07.415 --> 00:03:14.264 Jeff Depatie: Um, well, I think just jumping right to selection might limit. 00:03:14.654 --> 00:03:18.184 Some of the viewers, you know, maybe there's a chance, you know, for the 00:03:18.184 --> 00:03:22.394 dads raising kids or the young men still developing themselves, you know, and 00:03:22.394 --> 00:03:27.434 they miss out when they don't hear about how, in this case, myself, how I was as 00:03:27.434 --> 00:03:32.054 a young man, because how I was as a young man certainly impacted the decisions 00:03:32.054 --> 00:03:33.674 and the choices I made downstream. 00:03:34.375 --> 00:03:39.394 Uh, I was, uh, originally from Northern Ontario in Canada. 00:03:39.945 --> 00:03:44.260 Um, I was an outdoors guy. 00:03:44.320 --> 00:03:46.600 I was always very drawn to the outdoors. 00:03:47.350 --> 00:03:47.520 I still am. 00:03:47.550 --> 00:03:48.570 I like being in nature. 00:03:48.570 --> 00:03:49.790 I like touching nature. 00:03:50.170 --> 00:03:51.789 Um, I interact very well with it. 00:03:51.820 --> 00:03:53.160 We communicate deeply. 00:03:53.690 --> 00:03:57.079 Uh, you know, I use the word communicate and exchange of wisdom, 00:03:57.080 --> 00:04:00.019 but really, you know, that could be like, I like being out in its spores. 00:04:00.260 --> 00:04:04.270 I like feeling its moisture, you know, like a very tactile sense of it. 00:04:04.690 --> 00:04:08.230 Um, I was always very connected as a, even as a young guy. 00:04:09.685 --> 00:04:11.435 Um, uh, drawn to its systems. 00:04:11.545 --> 00:04:12.845 I'm a systems thinker. 00:04:13.375 --> 00:04:16.445 And at the time, you know, like, I mean, there is no greater 00:04:16.445 --> 00:04:17.755 system than mother earth. 00:04:18.164 --> 00:04:19.904 Um, she's pretty perfect. 00:04:19.904 --> 00:04:22.245 And yeah, we like to mess her up quite a bit. 00:04:22.704 --> 00:04:25.354 Um, yeah, so. 00:04:25.935 --> 00:04:32.155 It was pretty idyllic by and large idyllic in terms of idyllic, like a storybook in 00:04:32.155 --> 00:04:37.554 a lot of ways where, uh, it wasn't, um, subject to abuses or anything like that. 00:04:37.554 --> 00:04:41.784 I had supportive parents as much as they could, um, as we're seeing. 00:04:43.164 --> 00:04:45.445 Things that my parents would have done in their generation are 00:04:45.445 --> 00:04:46.965 now like, oh, no, that's crazy. 00:04:46.965 --> 00:04:51.125 You can't do that kind of stuff, um, to this new, highly sensitive generation. 00:04:51.604 --> 00:04:55.245 Um, but at the time they were using all the tools they had, right. 00:04:55.325 --> 00:04:58.524 Um, different discipline methods, things like that. 00:04:59.084 --> 00:05:03.135 Um, cause I, I feel like I was kind of on the transition one, you know, before cell 00:05:03.135 --> 00:05:08.885 phones and during cell phones, internet, and now full on generation alpha. 00:05:09.570 --> 00:05:12.570 Um, with a different kind of connectivity. 00:05:12.870 --> 00:05:16.320 And that was one thing that nature really gave to me was, uh, the ability to 00:05:16.330 --> 00:05:20.689 connect, connect with something outside of myself, learning how to do this 00:05:20.689 --> 00:05:23.299 actually helped me connect with myself. 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:27.840 So we, you and I were kind of talking offline a little bit about, um, 00:05:28.130 --> 00:05:30.910 emotions and being in touch with yourself and growth and all that. 00:05:31.969 --> 00:05:37.010 The reason it's so important to mention developing that in your youth is because. 00:05:37.545 --> 00:05:39.575 As we go through life, everything is going to attempt 00:05:39.585 --> 00:05:41.164 to disconnect us from ourselves. 00:05:41.175 --> 00:05:41.705 That's how it is. 00:05:41.705 --> 00:05:44.724 Our systems are designed, they're built out of fear, um, and 00:05:44.724 --> 00:05:48.054 they're going to automatically draw us away from connection. 00:05:48.155 --> 00:05:48.985 Think of the news. 00:05:48.995 --> 00:05:50.815 The news is almost always negative. 00:05:51.104 --> 00:05:52.395 It's designed to isolate. 00:05:52.555 --> 00:05:54.694 It's not designed like that intentionally per se. 00:05:54.694 --> 00:05:57.104 I mean, there could be some minds out there doing it on purpose. 00:05:57.264 --> 00:06:02.505 Um, But it's just the, it, the place it's built out of, you know, it shows fear, 00:06:02.505 --> 00:06:04.114 it shows fear and fear disconnects us. 00:06:04.555 --> 00:06:08.195 Um, and that's where, you know, to circle back to being in nature. 00:06:09.085 --> 00:06:13.605 I didn't, I didn't fear that space, that system, that very natural space, 00:06:13.605 --> 00:06:15.284 you know, and a lot of people now. 00:06:15.695 --> 00:06:18.455 Are disconnected from nature because they're actually afraid of it. 00:06:18.765 --> 00:06:22.655 You know, they're, they're it just, cause it's so unfamiliar, it's 00:06:22.675 --> 00:06:25.555 not even necessarily like bears and wolves and cougars and stuff. 00:06:25.555 --> 00:06:27.645 It's just like, it's so unfamiliar to them. 00:06:28.205 --> 00:06:31.055 Um, to step into it as deeply outside their comfort zone. 00:06:31.055 --> 00:06:34.864 So we kind of have, you know, people like the weekend warriors 00:06:34.864 --> 00:06:35.974 that kind of dabble with that. 00:06:36.004 --> 00:06:38.835 Um, but a lot of people disconnected from it. 00:06:39.285 --> 00:06:42.575 Uh, I, I was, I, you know, I was always into hunting and fishing. 00:06:43.799 --> 00:06:47.849 Um, I've hunting, I've kind of moved away from, uh, if I'm being 00:06:47.849 --> 00:06:52.939 like completely honest, um, after, after you hunt people, the act of 00:06:52.939 --> 00:06:54.800 hunting animals loses something. 00:06:54.820 --> 00:06:58.440 I'm not sure what, uh, but it's draw for me wasn't there. 00:06:58.750 --> 00:07:03.820 So now I, I, I, um, I do help other people with their hunting. 00:07:04.239 --> 00:07:08.239 A small example, I have an online course called ultra long range shooting. 00:07:08.659 --> 00:07:10.679 Um, and we just did our first in person. 00:07:11.855 --> 00:07:15.455 But just through the online and through the community there, we had a trapper 00:07:15.935 --> 00:07:20.575 set up a shot on a bear cross at lake. 00:07:21.105 --> 00:07:24.815 So he baited this bear and, uh, he got, he tagged it, uh, it 00:07:24.815 --> 00:07:26.805 was about 930 meters or yards. 00:07:27.044 --> 00:07:29.125 I think it was. 00:07:29.125 --> 00:07:31.244 It's probably close to a world record on a bear. 00:07:32.024 --> 00:07:32.635 Holy crow. 00:07:33.225 --> 00:07:35.985 So like, I have no problem bringing, uh, that's something 00:07:35.985 --> 00:07:37.615 he does, you know, he, he. 00:07:37.795 --> 00:07:42.955 Um, which has been kind of rewarding for me because, uh, you know, I 00:07:42.955 --> 00:07:45.455 got out of shooting a little bit after the military and kind of 00:07:45.455 --> 00:07:49.015 shied away from using those skills. 00:07:49.024 --> 00:07:53.105 So it was really hard for me to find a place in that circle back to my youth. 00:07:54.325 --> 00:07:57.645 Um, because I want men to understand this. 00:07:59.354 --> 00:08:01.374 I said, by and large, it was mostly idyllic. 00:08:01.385 --> 00:08:05.245 There was some things, you know, I still had more traditional parents that started 00:08:05.245 --> 00:08:08.285 closing me off to my, my emotions. 00:08:08.305 --> 00:08:11.295 And the reason I mentioned this is, um. 00:08:12.280 --> 00:08:16.210 Because having access to these things actually makes us stronger, makes us more 00:08:16.210 --> 00:08:20.720 resilient and resilience actually keeps our mind open, our consciousness expanded. 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:23.669 So it doesn't matter if you're hunting, fishing, whatever you're doing, you 00:08:23.670 --> 00:08:30.609 know, if you want to draw it down to a skill, having access to more, um, 00:08:30.609 --> 00:08:35.020 awareness, um, more, so when I use the word consciousness, it's just 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:38.210 like super quickly think of it as feedback loops right now, you've got 00:08:38.210 --> 00:08:39.530 a bunch of feedback loops running. 00:08:40.585 --> 00:08:43.544 You know, you're drinking something, so you're tasting, but like every cell in 00:08:43.544 --> 00:08:47.444 your body is running millions of these small algorithms over and over and over. 00:08:47.444 --> 00:08:52.115 And then we capture them subconsciously, unconsciously, unconsciously in our 00:08:52.115 --> 00:08:53.824 mind, and then we filter through them. 00:08:54.095 --> 00:08:59.525 So, you know, an example, me as a sniper, there I am behind a shot. 00:08:59.525 --> 00:09:04.665 There's a lot going on, you know, um, Um, to say the least 00:09:04.795 --> 00:09:06.635 to make this one thing happen. 00:09:07.055 --> 00:09:09.775 Um, but the more I'm able to stay. 00:09:10.145 --> 00:09:15.585 Fully present with the situation, which is part of that is your emotions, right? 00:09:15.605 --> 00:09:19.325 Like as men, we're, we're shied away from our emotions, you know, men don't feel, 00:09:19.325 --> 00:09:20.875 men don't feel men don't cry, whatever. 00:09:21.375 --> 00:09:26.185 Um, you know, I'm, I'm, it's a bit antiquated now, you know, that's changing 00:09:26.245 --> 00:09:30.635 in, in this kind of modern world, but it actually adds to our resiliency. 00:09:30.645 --> 00:09:34.455 And then instead of like coming out the other end, like me and developing PTSD, 00:09:34.455 --> 00:09:38.284 because everything's so compartmentalized. 00:09:39.015 --> 00:09:43.415 Um, back in my youth, if that would have been nurtured more and more now, 00:09:43.444 --> 00:09:46.314 and it's, it's nobody's fault, really, you know, I could start pointing my 00:09:46.314 --> 00:09:49.285 finger at schooling and all these things that are in our systems that 00:09:50.135 --> 00:09:54.985 tend us towards not doing these things. 00:09:55.025 --> 00:10:00.699 Um, Anyhow, though, like I said, mostly idyllic, uh, it was a fun childhood, a lot 00:10:00.699 --> 00:10:02.890 of winter snowmobiling, sports like that. 00:10:02.890 --> 00:10:05.879 You know, I was a bit of an extremist. 00:10:06.079 --> 00:10:09.520 I didn't really realize that I had started running away from myself, 00:10:09.550 --> 00:10:11.300 running away from my insecurities. 00:10:11.860 --> 00:10:17.750 Um, so what happens with some people, more likely men than women, um, you 00:10:17.750 --> 00:10:21.630 start aggressively pushing against them or aggressively running away from them. 00:10:21.640 --> 00:10:28.265 Um, and, um, And that eventually led me to the military and, uh, so on and so forth. 00:10:29.045 --> 00:10:32.115 Travis Bader: When did you realize you're aggressively running away? 00:10:34.504 --> 00:10:37.804 Jeff Depatie: Well, I wish I would have realized 20, 30 years ago. 00:10:38.355 --> 00:10:44.495 Um, but it wasn't until, Oh, actually a couple of years ago that 00:10:44.625 --> 00:10:47.255 I really, I started feeling into it. 00:10:49.025 --> 00:10:52.235 So we have this thing, you know, that the Greeks called our psyche. 00:10:52.375 --> 00:10:54.784 Uh, another word could be soul in science. 00:10:54.784 --> 00:10:57.415 It might be called like the full expression of your DNA. 00:10:58.625 --> 00:11:00.955 And it sits inside most people. 00:11:01.045 --> 00:11:03.205 And especially, you know what? 00:11:03.205 --> 00:11:06.285 Pretty much all over the world, because either there there's people 00:11:06.285 --> 00:11:08.645 who are in a survival state where they're just trying to get groceries 00:11:08.645 --> 00:11:12.264 in their belly, you know, and that's like half of the world's population. 00:11:12.935 --> 00:11:18.324 Um, so they're, they're in this state of, of, uh, of running. 00:11:18.324 --> 00:11:22.465 And so they don't ever really get to move on to the other side where you, you 00:11:22.465 --> 00:11:24.165 sink into this and you start to feel it. 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:28.790 You want to express yourself, not like so much like right art or poetry 00:11:28.790 --> 00:11:31.930 or anything like that, but you want to become authentically yourself. 00:11:32.269 --> 00:11:35.179 Now, most people stifle this away their entire lives and get to their 00:11:35.179 --> 00:11:38.730 deathbed and are like, Oh, I wish I would've had the courage to be me. 00:11:38.939 --> 00:11:40.169 It's actually the number one. 00:11:43.155 --> 00:11:46.425 Um, people's regret on their deathbed is they didn't have 00:11:46.425 --> 00:11:47.765 the courage to be themselves. 00:11:48.364 --> 00:11:52.984 Um, and right now there's a lot of people being like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm, 00:11:53.085 --> 00:11:56.719 I'm myself, but they don't realize that they're running the egoic algorithm. 00:11:56.820 --> 00:12:01.110 You know, the one that's been programmed into them since childhood and then 00:12:01.110 --> 00:12:04.730 programmed into them through school and then programmed into them through, 00:12:05.180 --> 00:12:07.260 uh, the work atmosphere we have. 00:12:07.510 --> 00:12:10.469 And so they think, cause the ego is a trickster, right? 00:12:10.470 --> 00:12:11.550 It doesn't do this on purpose. 00:12:11.550 --> 00:12:13.029 It's a survival mechanism. 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:15.474 So it wants to run patterns over and over. 00:12:16.715 --> 00:12:21.685 Uh, and that was the thing until my pattern, which I thought was serving 00:12:21.685 --> 00:12:24.625 me, you know, I was serving, I was a tier one operator, you know, like for 00:12:24.635 --> 00:12:29.494 me, when I set out on that journey, there was nowhere I could have went. 00:12:29.495 --> 00:12:30.634 I didn't want to be president. 00:12:30.635 --> 00:12:31.814 I didn't want to be a doctor. 00:12:31.834 --> 00:12:32.585 I wanted that. 00:12:32.595 --> 00:12:33.885 That was my pinnacle. 00:12:34.695 --> 00:12:38.655 And then I got there and you know, so on and so forth, but eventually that gear 00:12:38.655 --> 00:12:44.525 ran out and um, once that started to happen, I had to go back in time and like, 00:12:45.175 --> 00:12:47.585 where did these cycles begin to develop? 00:12:47.915 --> 00:12:49.494 Because that's, that's, that can happen. 00:12:50.530 --> 00:12:54.369 We go through life and every now and then there's these moments of like the, the 00:12:54.369 --> 00:12:56.760 system starts to get tested big time. 00:12:57.210 --> 00:13:02.959 And then, um, somewhere, you know, around middle ages or so, if these things 00:13:02.959 --> 00:13:07.180 aren't tuned up sooner, they all come together and all these patterns that 00:13:07.379 --> 00:13:09.449 aren't really serving us come to a head. 00:13:10.079 --> 00:13:13.269 Um, some people call it like the dark night of their soul, 00:13:13.369 --> 00:13:18.779 because what happens is if they're trying to express themselves. 00:13:19.410 --> 00:13:22.830 But they get caught in this darkness and so one of them was looking back and 00:13:22.830 --> 00:13:28.965 being like Man, you know, when I was a teenager, exploring drugs and alcohol 00:13:28.975 --> 00:13:33.094 and abusive ways, I didn't even realize that one of the first things that 00:13:33.095 --> 00:13:37.255 started me down that road is my, when I was about 13, 14, my mom got very sick. 00:13:37.905 --> 00:13:42.444 She was hospitalized for about six months and I couldn't, I couldn't handle that. 00:13:42.515 --> 00:13:44.515 You know, my mom was like very near and dear to me. 00:13:44.615 --> 00:13:49.975 Um, I wasn't a mama's boy, but for some reason I was like super attached to her 00:13:49.975 --> 00:13:52.175 mortality, couldn't care less about mine. 00:13:52.495 --> 00:13:56.465 But super attached to hers, but then it started this pattern of running from 00:13:56.465 --> 00:13:58.385 my feelings, running from my emotions. 00:13:58.795 --> 00:14:02.255 And then over the years of running, they got collapsed down into this 00:14:02.265 --> 00:14:09.574 very limited set, you know, basically anger, um, was like anger and 00:14:09.574 --> 00:14:13.305 pride, you know, in the military pride comes up a lot, which means. 00:14:13.885 --> 00:14:17.875 Acting within the box you're given and being proud of it, you know, 00:14:17.905 --> 00:14:21.585 thinking that it is a good modality, but really what it is, is it's a system 00:14:21.585 --> 00:14:23.395 tricking your ego into feeling safe. 00:14:23.975 --> 00:14:28.894 Um, so yeah, I would say it wasn't until a couple of years ago that I really realized 00:14:28.905 --> 00:14:32.054 like sometimes we informationally know. 00:14:32.700 --> 00:14:35.770 And then sometimes we know, you know, it starts to set in and then other 00:14:35.770 --> 00:14:37.610 times we do what they call embodiment. 00:14:37.910 --> 00:14:38.870 The truth is embodied. 00:14:38.880 --> 00:14:43.970 Now that could be a skill, you know, like, uh, like Tom Brady, he embodied football. 00:14:44.690 --> 00:14:45.170 You know what I mean? 00:14:45.489 --> 00:14:48.250 And then there's some people that are, they're really, really great 00:14:48.250 --> 00:14:50.420 athletes or great shooters or great. 00:14:51.855 --> 00:14:53.895 Great at hunting, you know, like they're really great at it. 00:14:53.895 --> 00:14:55.625 And then there's other people kind of informationally known. 00:14:55.625 --> 00:14:57.815 Then there's people who aren't maybe interested in any of that. 00:14:58.485 --> 00:15:04.175 Um, but those who embody start to show, um, levels of genius, you know, within 00:15:04.185 --> 00:15:06.314 their collector or their, their own realm. 00:15:06.944 --> 00:15:09.434 Anyhow, I'm kind of like jumping back and forth there, but yeah, 00:15:09.545 --> 00:15:11.055 I would say it wasn't until I. 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:14.060 The, the system started to collapse that I realized it. 00:15:14.910 --> 00:15:18.250 Travis Bader: Well, just so you know, I kind of like it when it 00:15:18.250 --> 00:15:21.209 jumps around back and forth, cause that's how my thought process works. 00:15:21.210 --> 00:15:24.560 And I struggle to keep a linear thought process to work through 00:15:24.560 --> 00:15:25.830 here just for the audience. 00:15:26.269 --> 00:15:31.149 At a very young age is diagnosed with a severe ADHD and was put on a, 00:15:31.150 --> 00:15:36.390 a high, high dosage of, uh, Ritalin was told at the time, highest in the 00:15:36.390 --> 00:15:40.550 province, uh, experimental run, just to see how it, how it would work. 00:15:40.570 --> 00:15:43.680 And, uh, I took myself off that cold turkey by the time 00:15:43.680 --> 00:15:45.410 I was going into high school. 00:15:45.410 --> 00:15:49.390 Cause I, I didn't like what the meds were doing and, uh, didn't like all 00:15:49.390 --> 00:15:51.160 the kids calling them smart pills. 00:15:51.780 --> 00:15:54.149 And, uh, so I'm like, that's it off. 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:54.989 But, 00:15:54.989 --> 00:15:55.759 Jeff Depatie: um, yeah. 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:57.329 They numb a little bit of who we are. 00:15:57.329 --> 00:15:57.639 Right. 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:02.260 And I think, you know, there's right and left brain thinking, 00:16:02.280 --> 00:16:04.800 like kind of the antiquated. 00:16:05.594 --> 00:16:09.025 Thoughts on it, I've started to diminish, but there is truth to it. 00:16:09.025 --> 00:16:11.464 You know, one side is very logical and linear and one side 00:16:11.464 --> 00:16:13.464 is very abstract and non linear. 00:16:14.125 --> 00:16:18.264 And what we're doing is we're using language, which is a very linear 00:16:18.264 --> 00:16:20.545 construct of trying to represent reality. 00:16:21.044 --> 00:16:23.314 So we're mostly doing it from one side of our brain. 00:16:23.815 --> 00:16:24.365 Now. 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:28.780 People who tend to work out of their right a little bit more, we'll do that. 00:16:28.780 --> 00:16:31.660 And I saw you taking notes, you know, that's something we do as well, where 00:16:31.930 --> 00:16:36.309 it's like, okay, let's try to build some conciliants to this pattern because the 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:38.160 overall of what's happening right now. 00:16:38.590 --> 00:16:38.890 Yeah. 00:16:38.890 --> 00:16:41.599 Maybe we could be really tidy and really linear and try 00:16:41.599 --> 00:16:43.100 to like button it up a to B. 00:16:43.419 --> 00:16:45.939 Uh, but that's not the nature of what's actually happening. 00:16:45.939 --> 00:16:47.470 It's just the representation of it. 00:16:47.470 --> 00:16:52.170 So I think people go, yeah, of course there's, there's, there's spectrums 00:16:52.170 --> 00:16:53.630 and whatnot, but I think people. 00:16:54.060 --> 00:16:58.020 Get put on these things and it's because you weren't fitting into a box. 00:16:58.300 --> 00:16:59.089 Totally wasn't. 00:16:59.089 --> 00:17:00.579 Psycho, you know, yeah. 00:17:00.579 --> 00:17:01.989 Like a psychometric, that's what it is. 00:17:01.989 --> 00:17:03.900 It's like this calculated box. 00:17:03.900 --> 00:17:07.169 And if you follow either side, you're non normative. 00:17:07.169 --> 00:17:11.179 And it's like, well, most of these are funded by school systems 00:17:11.220 --> 00:17:13.379 or more so by big business. 00:17:13.380 --> 00:17:15.780 So if you don't fall into those boxes. 00:17:16.125 --> 00:17:18.595 You're, you're, we, we, we need to medicate it. 00:17:18.595 --> 00:17:19.825 You know, it's a weird thing. 00:17:19.825 --> 00:17:20.915 So anyways, 00:17:21.845 --> 00:17:22.305 Travis Bader: I digress. 00:17:22.315 --> 00:17:26.405 I have some, yeah, I got thoughts on the school system and the antiquated 00:17:26.405 --> 00:17:29.614 approach of lumping children together, just based on age alone, 00:17:29.615 --> 00:17:31.405 as opposed to aptitude or ability. 00:17:31.905 --> 00:17:37.145 But, uh, maybe that's a completely different conversation, but you 00:17:37.145 --> 00:17:41.185 mentioned, uh, dark night of our soul, I think it was Eckhart Tolle, didn't 00:17:41.195 --> 00:17:44.825 he have something on that, that he, uh, talks about the dark night of our soul. 00:17:45.600 --> 00:17:46.270 Jeff Depatie: Yeah. 00:17:46.390 --> 00:17:51.650 So really where it starts is it's a, it's a, uh, a Catholic 00:17:51.650 --> 00:17:53.200 priest, not priest, Saint. 00:17:53.210 --> 00:17:55.390 I can't remember who it is off the top of my head. 00:17:55.540 --> 00:17:57.480 You think I would know I have a documentary called 00:17:57.480 --> 00:17:58.420 the dark night of our soul. 00:17:58.430 --> 00:17:58.929 You do. 00:17:59.180 --> 00:18:01.889 Um, so you'd think I would know by now. 00:18:02.220 --> 00:18:08.909 Uh, but yeah, the truth is, is anywhere we look, that's the Herculean 00:18:08.909 --> 00:18:12.230 labor going into the underworld. 00:18:12.230 --> 00:18:17.629 So we inherit before we're even born. 00:18:17.709 --> 00:18:23.590 Um, within our DNA, our wounds, their collective wounds, um, meaning they 00:18:23.590 --> 00:18:25.759 will keep us from our full expression. 00:18:25.949 --> 00:18:28.249 And like I said already, I've alluded, their tendrils have 00:18:28.249 --> 00:18:29.379 made it into our systems. 00:18:29.379 --> 00:18:31.959 And that's one of the things we're running into right now is a lot of 00:18:31.969 --> 00:18:34.619 people feel kind of insane in this world because they're like, oh, there's, 00:18:34.829 --> 00:18:36.569 there's something not right here. 00:18:36.639 --> 00:18:40.599 We all kind of, we're all talking about it, but we're trying to continually 00:18:40.609 --> 00:18:41.979 jam the square in the circle. 00:18:42.569 --> 00:18:45.539 Um, then there's other ones that were given. 00:18:45.939 --> 00:18:47.429 That we inherit along the road. 00:18:48.120 --> 00:18:52.320 Um, and this is one of the great illusions of the ego is that people 00:18:52.320 --> 00:18:53.459 believe they don't have them. 00:18:54.090 --> 00:18:58.059 Everybody that's, that's part of the gift of the human experience. 00:18:58.369 --> 00:19:04.579 And I believe it's actually part of our evolution is in order for 00:19:04.579 --> 00:19:08.150 the universe to complexify, we have to tend to these things. 00:19:08.750 --> 00:19:12.670 And when we tend to them, when we go into the dark night, cause it's 00:19:12.670 --> 00:19:16.379 relative, you know, what wounded you or could be a wound is different than me. 00:19:17.230 --> 00:19:20.800 Our thresholds are different, but it's not like a competition. 00:19:20.800 --> 00:19:22.670 It's not like, Oh, I felt more, you felt more. 00:19:22.930 --> 00:19:25.709 It could be, it's just energy you couldn't sit with. 00:19:25.709 --> 00:19:31.609 So it's literally the, like the demons, the boogeyman's, the 00:19:31.609 --> 00:19:33.809 dark that you couldn't be with. 00:19:34.039 --> 00:19:37.660 And so the body stores it because it's like, I don't know how to displace this 00:19:37.660 --> 00:19:39.080 energy throughout my nervous system. 00:19:39.080 --> 00:19:40.250 So it'll store it there. 00:19:40.760 --> 00:19:45.680 Um, but eventually, you know, the Piper comes and if we look at. 00:19:46.020 --> 00:19:50.380 Anyone, you know, you mentioned Eckhart Tolle, Dostoevsky, Shakespeare. 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:54.570 It doesn't matter anyone who's been classified as wise or intelligent. 00:19:54.910 --> 00:19:59.120 I don't mean intellectual intellectuals, more like left brain soul thinking. 00:19:59.300 --> 00:20:05.970 I mean like solely thinking, but fully intelligent people who understand 00:20:06.120 --> 00:20:08.649 the world differently, you know, philosophers and things like that. 00:20:08.959 --> 00:20:10.110 They all talk about it. 00:20:10.970 --> 00:20:12.630 We go through it many times. 00:20:13.330 --> 00:20:14.130 Our, our. 00:20:14.905 --> 00:20:19.665 our system will dip into stress multiple times during the day, multiple times. 00:20:19.885 --> 00:20:21.755 Those are little mini acute moments, right? 00:20:22.015 --> 00:20:25.635 But then, um, we're, we're not just playing out one pattern in life. 00:20:25.635 --> 00:20:30.174 We're playing on many patterns and every now and then someone will go 00:20:30.915 --> 00:20:35.964 courageously, plunge your hands into that muck and face something that has. 00:20:36.404 --> 00:20:37.415 skewed them. 00:20:38.514 --> 00:20:41.155 And when I say skew, I kind of like to think of us as tuning 00:20:41.155 --> 00:20:42.245 forks to our environment. 00:20:42.695 --> 00:20:46.765 Um, if you take a tuning fork and put it next to another tuning fork, it'll 00:20:46.765 --> 00:20:48.845 resonate at that same vibration, right? 00:20:48.845 --> 00:20:53.254 Um, that that's almost all things from a fundamental physical. 00:20:53.895 --> 00:20:57.805 You know, it was super string theory up kind of idea of the universe. 00:20:57.805 --> 00:20:58.075 Right. 00:20:58.284 --> 00:20:58.935 And it's important. 00:20:58.935 --> 00:21:01.534 A lot of people might, I don't know like what they're thinking here, but 00:21:01.754 --> 00:21:03.844 this all comes into everything we do. 00:21:03.925 --> 00:21:07.205 The more in tune we want to be, the more in tune we have to be. 00:21:07.585 --> 00:21:09.385 And if my tuning fork is bent. 00:21:09.874 --> 00:21:13.945 Which I would argue that everybody's is a little bent, 00:21:14.095 --> 00:21:15.575 um, because we're not perfect. 00:21:15.575 --> 00:21:17.835 If we were perfect, we wouldn't be destroying the earth. 00:21:18.045 --> 00:21:20.885 If we were perfect, we'd be much more fulfilled. 00:21:20.885 --> 00:21:25.165 And I'm using like a very general term, but suicide rates are on the rise. 00:21:25.475 --> 00:21:28.225 You know, people live in apartment buildings and don't know their neighbor. 00:21:28.264 --> 00:21:29.504 We're very disconnected. 00:21:29.574 --> 00:21:32.604 So there is an issue, you know, we're, we're destroying the very 00:21:32.604 --> 00:21:33.794 things that produce our food. 00:21:34.004 --> 00:21:35.614 That's because we're in this survival mode. 00:21:35.804 --> 00:21:37.074 So we're tuning forks are bent. 00:21:37.899 --> 00:21:39.969 And that's the thing we have to go back and we have to repair them. 00:21:40.399 --> 00:21:45.429 Um, and that's the dark night, the dark night, um, I think is best represented by 00:21:45.429 --> 00:21:47.409 Joseph Campbell with the hero's journey. 00:21:47.679 --> 00:21:47.929 Right. 00:21:47.929 --> 00:21:50.079 He calls it the underworld, the underworld. 00:21:50.489 --> 00:21:54.970 Um, but yeah, even like Carl Young, everybody, we talk about what's good about 00:21:54.970 --> 00:21:59.010 that though, is when we do face that, that's where we gather actual wisdom. 00:21:59.770 --> 00:22:03.620 Um, right now we're in the generation of Instagram and such. 00:22:03.950 --> 00:22:04.850 So we have. 00:22:05.525 --> 00:22:07.605 Unearned wisdom being talked about. 00:22:07.605 --> 00:22:10.725 So we have these people who are taking things that they know are wise or 00:22:10.725 --> 00:22:14.135 intelligent, and then they're parroting them for their own means and gain. 00:22:14.535 --> 00:22:17.575 And it's creating a really, it's a house of cards is what it is. 00:22:17.995 --> 00:22:23.114 Um, people like capitalizing on other people's emotional insecurity, um, which 00:22:23.114 --> 00:22:26.425 could be brought on from like lack of money, lack of looks, lack of whatever, 00:22:26.465 --> 00:22:30.875 whatever they perceive as an insecurity or an inadequacy, it's an inadequacy factory. 00:22:32.135 --> 00:22:35.525 So anyhow, it's also. 00:22:36.295 --> 00:22:39.595 Something that I believe we need to start approaching differently. 00:22:39.945 --> 00:22:43.115 I think it's one of the reasons actually, like if I was to bring it back to 00:22:43.115 --> 00:22:48.935 this is why men like hunting, they go, they know it's going to be difficult. 00:22:49.455 --> 00:22:52.554 Um, you know, any real hunter knows they're going to put on 00:22:52.554 --> 00:22:54.784 their backpack or they're going to go, they're going to be cold. 00:22:54.784 --> 00:22:55.574 They're going to be wet. 00:22:55.864 --> 00:22:56.925 They're going to be tired. 00:22:57.614 --> 00:22:59.764 The animal's going to challenge them, whatever they're looking 00:22:59.764 --> 00:23:02.334 for, the weather, the elements, everything's up against them. 00:23:02.334 --> 00:23:02.495 Right. 00:23:02.495 --> 00:23:04.844 And they go and they step into this hardship. 00:23:05.314 --> 00:23:06.685 I believe in doing that. 00:23:06.754 --> 00:23:10.205 I call it the art of adversity, um, in many different ways. 00:23:11.634 --> 00:23:14.664 Um, but what we're kind of talking about with the dark night of the soul. 00:23:15.290 --> 00:23:21.460 Or your soul, um, is doing it with your wounds, and that is the final front. 00:23:21.490 --> 00:23:23.110 That's where the greatest Warriors go. 00:23:23.590 --> 00:23:28.270 Um, it may not seem like it, but you know, if I, if I kind of like step on a bit 00:23:28.270 --> 00:23:30.280 of a soapbox, I was a tier one sniper. 00:23:30.939 --> 00:23:34.870 Um, I'm part of the group that gets to say they were the greatest warriors in all. 00:23:35.500 --> 00:23:40.840 And I mean that we manage, make, manipulate, and condition people 00:23:40.840 --> 00:23:46.650 to be the greatest detuned warriors on earth using the most amount 00:23:46.650 --> 00:23:47.980 of equipment and technology. 00:23:49.020 --> 00:23:53.330 But I can tell you, it wasn't until I started facing my own shadows that I 00:23:53.350 --> 00:23:55.390 really realized what I was preparing for. 00:23:55.830 --> 00:23:58.390 Um, and that's the realm that most people won't go. 00:23:58.580 --> 00:24:01.880 So there's like smaller little micro shadows and wounds. 00:24:02.540 --> 00:24:04.740 Then there's what I call like grand shadows. 00:24:04.750 --> 00:24:07.190 Now, these are just like kind of fun semantic terms. 00:24:07.190 --> 00:24:10.650 They don't really, they're deep, they're deep in our hippocampus and 00:24:10.650 --> 00:24:14.920 then every now and then there's people who do collective or quantum level, um, 00:24:14.980 --> 00:24:21.180 archetypal field shadows, and those are the, the, the great mystics, the great, 00:24:21.570 --> 00:24:22.440 Travis Bader: the greatest warriors 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:24.320 Jeff Depatie: of our time and warriors is. 00:24:26.350 --> 00:24:30.810 Travis Bader: Interesting that you use, uh, shadows, um, Who was it? 00:24:30.810 --> 00:24:33.649 Not Socrates, the cave, the cave of shadows. 00:24:33.679 --> 00:24:34.620 Do you know what I'm talking about? 00:24:35.429 --> 00:24:37.389 Jeff Depatie: And Socrates, or was it Plato? 00:24:37.729 --> 00:24:38.830 Travis Bader: Plato's, Plato's cave. 00:24:38.879 --> 00:24:39.229 That's right. 00:24:39.229 --> 00:24:39.629 Plato's cave. 00:24:39.629 --> 00:24:39.879 Yeah. 00:24:40.299 --> 00:24:45.229 So for the people who haven't heard of Plato's cave, it's a thought 00:24:45.229 --> 00:24:49.820 experiment of individuals who are chained to, they're chained up. 00:24:49.820 --> 00:24:51.440 They can only face in one direction. 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:54.000 They have a wall, they're in a cave and they're looking at the end of 00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:57.090 the cave and there's a fire on. 00:24:57.335 --> 00:25:00.975 One side, which is casting a light and there's a bridge, which people 00:25:00.975 --> 00:25:04.295 will traverse over with their animals and carts and carrying 00:25:04.295 --> 00:25:05.655 packs and whatever else it is. 00:25:05.655 --> 00:25:08.544 And the fire would cast shadows of these people. 00:25:08.544 --> 00:25:12.384 And then these, uh, poor chained up individuals would be staring at the 00:25:12.384 --> 00:25:17.495 wall and only see the shadows and their entire life of what they know 00:25:17.534 --> 00:25:20.245 is a representation of these shadows. 00:25:20.545 --> 00:25:23.995 And he talks about what if one of these guys got away and he took a look and says. 00:25:24.225 --> 00:25:25.054 Hold on a second. 00:25:25.195 --> 00:25:27.195 Everything that I've been looking at in life isn't 00:25:27.195 --> 00:25:28.934 exactly what I thought it to be. 00:25:28.934 --> 00:25:31.805 It's just, it's just a shadow of what I thought it was. 00:25:32.025 --> 00:25:36.524 And he comes back and tries to tell the others what we're looking at here, guys. 00:25:36.524 --> 00:25:38.054 This isn't, this isn't real life. 00:25:38.475 --> 00:25:39.284 They'd be angry. 00:25:39.284 --> 00:25:40.214 They'd cast them out. 00:25:40.214 --> 00:25:43.375 And it was a allegory of. 00:25:43.635 --> 00:25:48.205 Essentially in one way to look at it of education, of learning new 00:25:48.225 --> 00:25:52.895 things and how that can separate an individual from others and be looked 00:25:52.895 --> 00:25:56.335 upon perhaps with disdain by those who are ignorant to those facts. 00:25:56.335 --> 00:25:59.334 That's one way of, of looking at that, but. 00:25:59.885 --> 00:26:02.385 When these people, you talk about shadows, they're looking 00:26:02.385 --> 00:26:07.805 at these shadows, they might not even realize how big a shadow is. 00:26:07.885 --> 00:26:10.395 If it encompasses the entire wall, they don't even know 00:26:10.395 --> 00:26:11.555 they're looking at a shadow. 00:26:11.575 --> 00:26:16.265 So if you're talking about these massive shadows, there's going to be things out 00:26:16.265 --> 00:26:22.644 there that people might not even be aware are affecting them that are essentially 00:26:22.794 --> 00:26:24.384 taking up that whole wall on them. 00:26:24.644 --> 00:26:25.804 Is that something that you've found? 00:26:25.864 --> 00:26:26.774 Yeah. 00:26:26.834 --> 00:26:27.334 Yeah. 00:26:27.524 --> 00:26:28.034 Jeff Depatie: Um. 00:26:29.570 --> 00:26:33.290 This is actually like my favorite topics in the world, like, because 00:26:36.300 --> 00:26:38.559 one, it's really, it's not easy. 00:26:38.859 --> 00:26:43.260 And like I alluded to, we do these things that we subconsciously, some people 00:26:43.260 --> 00:26:45.950 think that we're actually, it's like preparing for the ultimate dark night, 00:26:45.950 --> 00:26:48.219 which is your death, like physical death. 00:26:48.220 --> 00:26:49.340 But I don't believe that. 00:26:50.740 --> 00:26:55.220 I've easily, and many times in my life, accepted my physical death, and it was 00:26:55.230 --> 00:26:58.659 much easier than accepting my egoic death. 00:26:58.669 --> 00:27:04.980 The construct of what I am, the part that makes me, me, so called, 00:27:06.190 --> 00:27:08.059 um, and props up my reality. 00:27:08.810 --> 00:27:12.450 And it, it involves looking at those shadows. 00:27:12.679 --> 00:27:17.060 Um, and it's, it's, it's an amazing thing because what it actually does is it. 00:27:17.820 --> 00:27:21.440 You never get rid of fear, but you learn to like dance with it better. 00:27:21.830 --> 00:27:24.370 You learn to remain calm in his presence. 00:27:24.380 --> 00:27:29.090 So that's part of what resilience is, is remaining conscious in adversity. 00:27:29.860 --> 00:27:35.210 So most people, like I could use an example of a buck fever, you know, 00:27:35.380 --> 00:27:38.590 boom, their focus narrows and it's like, literally they're usually looking 00:27:38.590 --> 00:27:41.470 through a tube and it's right there and that's their entire reality. 00:27:41.800 --> 00:27:45.200 The thing is though, is if you can, one of the things I do on my 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:46.649 shooting course is if you open it up. 00:27:47.579 --> 00:27:50.479 You know, so like on a, like a hundred meter shot, it's not such a big deal. 00:27:50.479 --> 00:27:54.100 If you've got a scoped 308 or bigger, it's, you're probably not going 00:27:54.100 --> 00:27:59.059 to miss if it's accurately put in there, but you need all the details. 00:27:59.059 --> 00:28:02.209 If you're going to start making a thousand meter, 2000 meter shot. 00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:07.679 Um, and that's, that's just like in a metaphor for life. 00:28:08.364 --> 00:28:08.935 You know what I mean? 00:28:08.945 --> 00:28:11.205 Most people don't really know they're looking through the tube. 00:28:11.205 --> 00:28:13.764 So most people, like you said, have been looking at the shadow and that's 00:28:13.774 --> 00:28:17.984 part of the process of waking up, um, said in a more modern way, but 00:28:17.984 --> 00:28:21.784 not like fully modern, uh, Einstein called it the optical delusion. 00:28:22.544 --> 00:28:26.685 Um, where we're brought in, we already have this thing called epigenetic 00:28:26.715 --> 00:28:30.414 programming happening on our DNA that starts to shape us, but it starts to 00:28:30.414 --> 00:28:34.394 shape up our constructs of reality and how we experience reality. 00:28:35.709 --> 00:28:37.449 And it takes a lot of courage. 00:28:37.659 --> 00:28:38.689 I don't use the word bravery. 00:28:38.689 --> 00:28:43.290 I use the word courage to step into looking at these things because 00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:47.439 usually we're boxed up and we're all looking at the shadows because 00:28:47.439 --> 00:28:48.519 that's what everybody's doing. 00:28:49.419 --> 00:28:50.469 He's doing it, she's doing it. 00:28:50.469 --> 00:28:51.519 Okay, we're all going to do this. 00:28:51.529 --> 00:28:52.439 Okay, let's keep doing this. 00:28:52.439 --> 00:28:52.679 Right. 00:28:53.009 --> 00:28:55.719 And then we get called insane or weird. 00:28:56.120 --> 00:28:58.580 If we turn and we look the other way and see that it's just people 00:28:58.580 --> 00:29:00.810 on a bridge and we've expanded. 00:29:00.810 --> 00:29:01.080 Right. 00:29:01.080 --> 00:29:05.540 So, um, like I said, that's kind of part of the, I use the term waking up, 00:29:05.549 --> 00:29:09.289 but what it is, is really beginning to realize you're living a half life that's 00:29:09.299 --> 00:29:12.859 gripped by fear and you start to shake that off your literal nervous system. 00:29:13.470 --> 00:29:14.980 Um, and it's stored in our bodies. 00:29:14.980 --> 00:29:15.540 Not everybody. 00:29:15.540 --> 00:29:18.400 Again, I use like the terms generally are, you know, 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:19.770 everybody, all that kind of stuff. 00:29:20.560 --> 00:29:24.739 Um, but really that my entire work. 00:29:25.485 --> 00:29:31.614 That I've been doing is because it's time people, you know, nobody 00:29:31.614 --> 00:29:33.114 else is coming to do this for us. 00:29:33.154 --> 00:29:35.034 There is, there's nobody coming over the hill. 00:29:35.034 --> 00:29:35.614 It's us. 00:29:35.874 --> 00:29:39.304 And until we individually begin to hoist aboard this 00:29:39.304 --> 00:29:42.304 responsibility, um, yeah, I get it. 00:29:42.364 --> 00:29:43.965 It can be, it's a little frightening, right? 00:29:44.014 --> 00:29:45.485 Um, what do I do? 00:29:45.485 --> 00:29:46.014 Where do I go? 00:29:46.014 --> 00:29:49.235 As we're like struggling just to figure out purpose or how do I make money or 00:29:49.235 --> 00:29:50.874 what do I do, or how do I build skills? 00:29:51.394 --> 00:29:53.699 Um, but that's the thing that's, that's, that's. 00:29:54.629 --> 00:29:58.629 We've been proving one, that you can expand this consciousness on purpose. 00:29:58.669 --> 00:30:05.855 Two, Um, we actually counterintuitively, we use fear to help people induce 00:30:05.955 --> 00:30:10.545 higher states of consciousness because kind of counterintuitively, 00:30:10.935 --> 00:30:13.935 a lot of people live in what's called apathy, you know, they, they probably 00:30:13.935 --> 00:30:18.395 drink a few drinks every day, they go through life exactly the same. 00:30:18.475 --> 00:30:21.345 They usually have that stirring in them and they're like, I want to break 00:30:21.345 --> 00:30:23.535 free from it, but I have no clue how. 00:30:23.935 --> 00:30:29.035 Um, but surprisingly, when you put them into a survival situation, it like. 00:30:29.570 --> 00:30:31.120 Re orient their attention, right? 00:30:31.900 --> 00:30:33.150 Cause that, that's what happens here. 00:30:33.150 --> 00:30:35.490 So we talked about the constructs of reality, but if we look at our 00:30:35.490 --> 00:30:39.310 nervous system, you know, they go by a lot of names, default mode network. 00:30:39.350 --> 00:30:44.450 Um, I just was kind of using ego, the algorithm of ego earlier, but it just, 00:30:44.550 --> 00:30:47.460 they want to play out the same and they want to crystallize and they want to 00:30:47.460 --> 00:30:49.060 read, they want to stay structured. 00:30:49.070 --> 00:30:50.580 That's that kind of the tendency. 00:30:51.690 --> 00:30:53.380 Openness, open node thinking. 00:30:53.810 --> 00:30:58.445 Um, Takes that courage because you have to say, okay, something 00:30:58.445 --> 00:31:00.355 I'm doing is not right. 00:31:00.545 --> 00:31:02.055 Something I'm doing is not aligned. 00:31:02.055 --> 00:31:04.585 Something is not serving me. 00:31:04.595 --> 00:31:09.295 And we have to be a little bit selfish here because if you don't take the time 00:31:09.295 --> 00:31:12.945 to look at yourself, you're actually not going to show up really great for 00:31:12.945 --> 00:31:17.825 the rest of the society, but you know, it behooves me for you to be your full 00:31:17.825 --> 00:31:23.795 authentic self, whatever that is, you know, um, nobody can dictate that because. 00:31:25.005 --> 00:31:26.285 You are unique. 00:31:26.335 --> 00:31:27.315 I am unique. 00:31:27.455 --> 00:31:28.865 I'm not the same as everyone else. 00:31:28.865 --> 00:31:32.745 Cellularly on a quantum level on a fundamental level on what 00:31:32.745 --> 00:31:34.255 I've experienced in my life. 00:31:34.675 --> 00:31:40.215 Um, so that's, that's why I like, I kind of like bring it back to when you do turn 00:31:40.215 --> 00:31:44.305 away from that wall, that cave, and you look at the other side of the shadows. 00:31:44.865 --> 00:31:50.565 Um, Yeah, you might realize that it's actually a lot bigger because, um, 00:31:51.015 --> 00:31:54.665 both Plato and Socrates realized that that's why they, they chose to live 00:31:54.665 --> 00:31:59.155 life like they were, because it's, it's this giant moving machine called life. 00:31:59.155 --> 00:31:59.445 Right. 00:31:59.785 --> 00:32:02.595 Um, but anyhow, um, 00:32:04.265 --> 00:32:07.245 Travis Bader: yeah, that's, that's funny that you talk about fear being 00:32:07.245 --> 00:32:14.075 a destabilizer and, um, being used in a useful way when I was younger. 00:32:15.505 --> 00:32:19.635 And even now, to some extent, I guess I, I still do because I want to make 00:32:19.635 --> 00:32:24.885 sure my children know adversity and they know, um, not to shy away from 00:32:24.895 --> 00:32:30.795 challenges or scary situations, but I would actively seek out situations, which 00:32:31.015 --> 00:32:35.505 probably weren't the wisest to somebody else on the outside, looking at it out. 00:32:36.285 --> 00:32:41.695 Um, a family friend was a head of the police academy here and justice Institute, 00:32:41.695 --> 00:32:43.365 police academy here in British Columbia. 00:32:43.365 --> 00:32:49.770 And, um, Ended up giving me a rope, which was decommissioned for that they used to 00:32:49.770 --> 00:32:53.460 use for abseiling, but I guess it was end of life for them, but it was still better 00:32:53.460 --> 00:32:57.830 than the rope that I was using when I was jumping off of bridges, uh, around here 00:32:57.830 --> 00:33:03.400 and doing bridge swings or practicing abseiling or rafting down, almost died a 00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:08.390 couple of times, actually, uh, with goofy little, uh, inflatable rafts of trying to 00:33:08.390 --> 00:33:10.410 follow the commercial guys down the, um. 00:33:11.080 --> 00:33:15.450 Uh, down the rivers there, but I found that I would seek those out because 00:33:15.450 --> 00:33:20.460 nothing made you feel quite as alive as when you were in that situation and you 00:33:20.460 --> 00:33:22.740 make it through number one and number two. 00:33:23.790 --> 00:33:28.030 Um, maybe this is a case other people have pointed out. 00:33:28.030 --> 00:33:33.330 They said, well, perhaps your outside environment was matching kind of 00:33:33.340 --> 00:33:34.950 where your head was at, right? 00:33:34.950 --> 00:33:36.180 What was going on in your head? 00:33:36.180 --> 00:33:36.400 And. 00:33:37.050 --> 00:33:40.960 I would feel an immense calm when I was in situations like that, as 00:33:40.970 --> 00:33:47.510 opposed to the adverse, the inverse, which would be panicked or, uh, 00:33:47.590 --> 00:33:52.410 or, or fearful, fearful, perhaps prior to going into that situation. 00:33:52.650 --> 00:33:56.400 But once in the situation, everything was normal, everything was great. 00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:57.080 Everything was calm. 00:33:57.080 --> 00:33:57.750 So it's interesting. 00:33:57.750 --> 00:34:03.480 You talk about seeking out fear as a tool to be able to, uh, to educate. 00:34:04.130 --> 00:34:04.840 Jeff Depatie: Yeah. 00:34:05.030 --> 00:34:08.875 Um, It's counterintuitive. 00:34:11.285 --> 00:34:14.625 It brings us into the present moment is what it does. 00:34:14.685 --> 00:34:18.275 So one of the things, when we developed our neocortex, we 00:34:18.275 --> 00:34:19.975 started thinking into the future. 00:34:20.325 --> 00:34:26.095 You know, we, we extrapolate, um, well, one of the things that happened is we, 00:34:26.445 --> 00:34:28.185 we started to let this run away, right? 00:34:28.185 --> 00:34:32.035 We add in coordinates, like on everything, everything has time and space and 00:34:32.035 --> 00:34:34.395 it's geometry, you know, everything. 00:34:34.950 --> 00:34:39.270 Everything in your room right now, you know the name of, and it's like, it's 00:34:39.280 --> 00:34:42.270 up here and you know, potential futures. 00:34:42.270 --> 00:34:43.940 And, and so it can be a lot, right? 00:34:44.040 --> 00:34:45.900 Like we talked about the consciousness feedback loops. 00:34:45.900 --> 00:34:49.230 That's an important part of it is being able to extrapolate into the future. 00:34:49.230 --> 00:34:49.450 That's what we do. 00:34:49.450 --> 00:34:53.270 We take the past and the present and we extrapolate into the future. 00:34:53.640 --> 00:34:57.750 What we forget to do often though, is live in the present now. 00:35:00.345 --> 00:35:03.985 You know, you use the word feel alive in that moment, you know, when you're 00:35:03.995 --> 00:35:06.855 doing that one, I got to point out, like, what is it with guys and rope? 00:35:06.935 --> 00:35:11.615 Um, I remember being a kid, like I used to wear rope around. 00:35:11.615 --> 00:35:14.255 I was like, well, you know, I'm hanging off things that it's just like, 00:35:14.785 --> 00:35:16.785 why, why is this so important to us? 00:35:16.785 --> 00:35:20.055 But anyways, um, but to feel alive is, is one of the illusions, right? 00:35:20.055 --> 00:35:24.105 So again, when I was talking about a few years ago, when my, uh, when I had to 00:35:24.105 --> 00:35:27.685 re begin really rewriting my reality, really actually for the first time in 00:35:27.685 --> 00:35:32.770 my life, talking to Like writing my story with like my own torch and my 00:35:32.770 --> 00:35:37.980 own pen, you know, because I was, I was free from other people's fear patterns. 00:35:37.980 --> 00:35:39.190 I was free from those things. 00:35:39.190 --> 00:35:41.300 And I was finally courageous enough to be like, Hey, I can 00:35:41.300 --> 00:35:42.320 do this and I can do this. 00:35:42.560 --> 00:35:43.420 I'll be like this. 00:35:43.870 --> 00:35:49.679 Um, we have to learn to feel more alive in all moments, you know, 00:35:49.680 --> 00:35:52.120 like we, we, we, we do this. 00:35:52.120 --> 00:35:59.325 And cause if we continue to just seek Novelty and stimulation for the future. 00:35:59.895 --> 00:36:01.845 Um, we're kind of like writing checks. 00:36:01.845 --> 00:36:03.335 Our bodies can't cash, you know? 00:36:03.925 --> 00:36:08.375 Um, but yes, it can destabilize. 00:36:08.385 --> 00:36:12.975 So what I say is it alters your state of consciousness, you know, it shakes you up. 00:36:13.315 --> 00:36:15.135 It, uh, sends your nervous system. 00:36:15.155 --> 00:36:17.565 What it does is it attempts to fire a new patterns. 00:36:17.565 --> 00:36:19.895 Now this can be very short term. 00:36:20.230 --> 00:36:22.140 Um, or it can be very long term. 00:36:22.660 --> 00:36:25.830 Um, if you start doing it over a longer period of time, you'll actually start to 00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:30.180 dream differently because what will happen is like, you're a finely in tune antenna 00:36:30.220 --> 00:36:32.170 trying to make its way through this world. 00:36:32.770 --> 00:36:37.970 And, um, when you start being gripped by certain conditioning, it's going 00:36:37.970 --> 00:36:39.190 to start looking at different things. 00:36:39.190 --> 00:36:43.060 So that's where like the responsibility of this comes in. 00:36:43.060 --> 00:36:43.310 Right. 00:36:43.460 --> 00:36:46.400 Um, think like a rite of passage or something, or whether your kids, 00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:47.380 you know, you wouldn't want to. 00:36:48.040 --> 00:36:51.210 Ever have it go too far where they're, you know, permanently 00:36:51.220 --> 00:36:52.830 maimed in a negative way. 00:36:52.830 --> 00:36:53.160 Right. 00:36:53.450 --> 00:36:56.170 You know, so there's always like a governor on it, especially 00:36:56.170 --> 00:36:58.980 once you start looking at the long term conditioning of it. 00:36:59.270 --> 00:37:01.190 Now we do this all the time. 00:37:01.190 --> 00:37:03.280 Anyways, you mentioned it, we do it as parents. 00:37:03.570 --> 00:37:04.260 We're, we're. 00:37:04.305 --> 00:37:07.625 We're, we're, we bring these lives into the world and we're conditioning 00:37:07.625 --> 00:37:11.705 them from day one and we can, we're, we're constantly conditioning. 00:37:11.705 --> 00:37:11.935 Right. 00:37:12.425 --> 00:37:16.075 I think what we need to do a little bit better is be, and I'm using we, 00:37:16.075 --> 00:37:19.005 again, I'm not seeing you necessarily or me necessarily or anyone, but 00:37:19.015 --> 00:37:23.295 we have to be much more intentional because we have this really cool 00:37:23.295 --> 00:37:27.435 effect of impacting our environment and our environment impacting us. 00:37:27.685 --> 00:37:31.375 And I mean, environment, everything, our cityscapes or our nature. 00:37:31.795 --> 00:37:32.385 Um, and we. 00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:34.420 That's what, you know, harmony is. 00:37:34.430 --> 00:37:38.680 That's what really being in tune with that is like the road to enlightenment, 00:37:38.930 --> 00:37:41.860 understanding all those impacts, but we have to start being intentional with it. 00:37:42.390 --> 00:37:44.420 Otherwise we're just going to outrun our headlights soon. 00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:50.610 And, um, the last thing I wanted to touch on, you mentioned kind of like the chaotic 00:37:50.610 --> 00:37:55.580 world and potentially being a projection of what's inside of you, you know, 00:37:55.580 --> 00:37:57.000 like that's how you're expressing it. 00:37:58.100 --> 00:38:01.100 Um, we just never really learn how to tune that in because 00:38:01.100 --> 00:38:02.380 that's exactly what's happening. 00:38:02.380 --> 00:38:04.940 If our internal world's chaotic, we're usually going to 00:38:04.950 --> 00:38:07.000 project chaotically outwards. 00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:11.640 Now that's, this is no bad or good, you know, that's a totally moral statement. 00:38:12.100 --> 00:38:15.930 It's just, we need to look at that. 00:38:16.335 --> 00:38:19.685 Because it probably was once you started really looking at that, you were like, 00:38:19.685 --> 00:38:21.835 okay, I don't need to do it all the time. 00:38:22.195 --> 00:38:23.525 You know, why am I chasing this? 00:38:23.535 --> 00:38:24.825 Why am I climbing this mountain? 00:38:24.825 --> 00:38:25.915 Why am I doing this? 00:38:26.275 --> 00:38:27.755 Um, sometimes it's good, right? 00:38:27.755 --> 00:38:32.455 You, you mentioned, um, it's good to step into a stressful situation. 00:38:33.175 --> 00:38:37.545 Um, We just have to manage it well, you know, um, because there's 00:38:37.545 --> 00:38:38.965 enough stress going on in life. 00:38:39.935 --> 00:38:40.105 Travis Bader: Yeah. 00:38:40.105 --> 00:38:43.035 I found that to be one of the difficult ones because I was always 00:38:43.035 --> 00:38:44.885 sort of an all or nothing attitude. 00:38:44.885 --> 00:38:47.305 If I'm into something, I'll go 110 percent into it. 00:38:47.385 --> 00:38:51.825 And if I'm deciding not to do it, well, where's that threshold where 00:38:51.905 --> 00:38:54.205 at, at what level do you not do that? 00:38:54.205 --> 00:38:57.525 So that was always a difficult thing for me to kind of manage. 00:38:57.525 --> 00:38:59.535 And it's probably something I'm still working on. 00:38:59.535 --> 00:39:03.735 What level of, uh, risk reward should I be striving. 00:39:03.950 --> 00:39:08.720 For a more harmonious lifestyle over the macro. 00:39:08.750 --> 00:39:12.640 Cause in the micro, you can be sitting on the couch or you could be right 00:39:12.640 --> 00:39:14.430 out there in a very risky situation. 00:39:14.970 --> 00:39:18.770 But I try and look at it over a larger scale of how each one of those things 00:39:18.770 --> 00:39:24.970 will, will, um, manage themselves and hopefully in a way that doesn't, uh, 00:39:25.560 --> 00:39:30.550 uh, self put myself in a premature, dark, permanent, permanent dark night. 00:39:31.295 --> 00:39:31.825 Yeah, 00:39:31.825 --> 00:39:37.615 Jeff Depatie: well, that's, you know, um, that's the scales, right? 00:39:37.615 --> 00:39:38.825 That we're constantly weighing. 00:39:38.835 --> 00:39:42.265 That's, that's that consciousness, um, where. 00:39:42.590 --> 00:39:47.050 Um, we tend to dualistically put the weight on one side or the other. 00:39:47.050 --> 00:39:47.340 Right. 00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:51.560 And really it's, it's more of a four or five potentially more, it's much 00:39:51.560 --> 00:39:53.450 more dimensionally faceted than that. 00:39:54.040 --> 00:39:58.300 Um, and, and it's funny you say like this, because right now a lot of our 00:39:58.300 --> 00:40:01.830 youth is being pressured with the a hundred percent, go get it attitude. 00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:04.040 Especially in the male realm. 00:40:04.340 --> 00:40:06.530 And it's like, go get it. 00:40:06.530 --> 00:40:08.750 And then they turn and they're like, okay, I'm going to go get this. 00:40:08.750 --> 00:40:10.860 And it's like, they don't even know where they're projecting that. 00:40:12.860 --> 00:40:14.920 No matter how old they are, they've already been shaped. 00:40:14.930 --> 00:40:19.480 And you might be like, that might be your mom's inadequacy, you know, 00:40:19.560 --> 00:40:22.050 your mom's, uh, fear of rejection. 00:40:22.060 --> 00:40:25.790 It could be your dad's, whatever, fill it in with one of their shadows. 00:40:25.790 --> 00:40:27.890 And you're actually just turning it now you're projecting it. 00:40:27.890 --> 00:40:31.890 And it's like, you get there, oh, should I just spend five years doing this thing? 00:40:31.890 --> 00:40:37.740 I don't even want, but that's, that's like the tune up we need, um, right now. 00:40:37.740 --> 00:40:37.870 Yeah. 00:40:38.715 --> 00:40:41.245 Most, like we talked about, our constructs are fear based. 00:40:41.275 --> 00:40:42.965 They're, they're from a survival mindset. 00:40:42.975 --> 00:40:44.455 That's, that's what they're created from. 00:40:44.795 --> 00:40:48.395 Uh, we really need to learn to step into the next stage, which is love. 00:40:48.755 --> 00:40:51.675 Um, that gives us a whole new set of tools. 00:40:51.935 --> 00:40:53.495 It's not squishy. 00:40:53.815 --> 00:40:54.485 That's for sure. 00:40:54.545 --> 00:40:55.945 Love is a very painful teacher. 00:40:56.475 --> 00:40:58.135 Um, probably worse than fear. 00:40:58.235 --> 00:40:59.605 Fear is like quick. 00:40:59.765 --> 00:41:04.065 Usually it's, it's, it's a lot more precise and where love is. 00:41:04.870 --> 00:41:07.760 It can, it can cripple in a different way, so it's not, 00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:08.930 it's not for the faint of heart. 00:41:09.340 --> 00:41:13.090 Um, because what will happen is the more we step into that, the more we're actually 00:41:13.090 --> 00:41:15.530 able to feel the other side as well. 00:41:16.020 --> 00:41:22.340 Um, and tune into that risk reward, you know, cause those, those kind 00:41:22.340 --> 00:41:23.960 of sit at opposite sides, right? 00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:26.920 We risk for the reward or we reward for risk. 00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:28.130 It depends on how you look at it. 00:41:28.510 --> 00:41:33.170 Um, but instead of why is it, why is it that you and I? 00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:39.930 Are still talking about things that Socrates or Plato said, we can go 00:41:39.930 --> 00:41:43.470 even older into like the Upanishads or something from like the Vedics and 00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:46.100 India, it's like very similar wisdom. 00:41:46.100 --> 00:41:47.520 And it's like, why aren't we learning this? 00:41:47.520 --> 00:41:51.090 And it's because we've kind of shackled ourselves to this modern world. 00:41:51.540 --> 00:41:56.870 Um, and most people just don't even really see that it can be a very 00:41:56.870 --> 00:42:01.970 different, you know, one, it doesn't have to be fucking zero sum game anymore. 00:42:02.240 --> 00:42:02.720 Like that. 00:42:04.150 --> 00:42:08.020 It competition's fine and it can be very healthy and it, and it's part of it. 00:42:08.020 --> 00:42:08.340 Right. 00:42:08.730 --> 00:42:13.800 But, uh, we need to like slow these things down or, and the reason 00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:16.250 I'm saying this is just so like full disclosure to the audience. 00:42:16.300 --> 00:42:21.240 I was on once upon a time, a very pointy end of a spear that did things that I 00:42:21.250 --> 00:42:24.950 thought were a full service and it wasn't until later I was like, Oh my God, I'm 00:42:24.950 --> 00:42:27.410 just manifesting fear in this universe. 00:42:27.700 --> 00:42:28.050 I'm. 00:42:28.935 --> 00:42:32.555 Doing something that doesn't actually serve Canadians as a whole. 00:42:32.625 --> 00:42:34.295 It doesn't serve the planet as a whole. 00:42:34.295 --> 00:42:37.145 There's little moments within it that, yeah, this is good. 00:42:37.155 --> 00:42:40.565 That, you know, when we say things like, oh, well, school kids going or 00:42:40.565 --> 00:42:43.065 kids going to school in these poor countries, that's not a good thing. 00:42:43.065 --> 00:42:47.755 Of course, you know, the passing of knowledge is a good thing. 00:42:48.195 --> 00:42:48.845 It's just. 00:42:49.135 --> 00:42:50.475 What's the end game here? 00:42:50.485 --> 00:42:51.665 What are we doing it for? 00:42:51.665 --> 00:42:54.555 What's really the underlying chess pieces that we're moving? 00:42:55.085 --> 00:42:59.095 Um, so I do have a little bit of like grudge in me, um, especially as I 00:42:59.105 --> 00:43:04.035 still watch, um, people kind of fall victim to those services and that's, 00:43:04.045 --> 00:43:05.545 that's what happens once we like. 00:43:06.375 --> 00:43:10.925 Really tear apart why, you know, cops, for example, are having such a hard go at it. 00:43:11.285 --> 00:43:13.655 It's because at a certain point, it's not just PTSD. 00:43:13.655 --> 00:43:15.095 It's not just the traumas they saw. 00:43:15.095 --> 00:43:18.285 It's like, Oh my God, I was upholding this system. 00:43:18.285 --> 00:43:20.225 That's kind of been corrupted. 00:43:20.225 --> 00:43:21.925 If you will, or it was always kind of corrupted. 00:43:21.925 --> 00:43:23.415 We're, we're making it a little better. 00:43:23.415 --> 00:43:25.625 It's just, um, that gets very hard. 00:43:25.625 --> 00:43:28.295 That reality is very difficult to hoist a board comparatively. 00:43:30.860 --> 00:43:35.170 Travis Bader: Yeah, I, I, you know, never underestimate the human frailty 00:43:35.190 --> 00:43:37.550 in all of these large organizations. 00:43:37.550 --> 00:43:41.000 I mean, they're all humans, institutions to begin with, and they're 00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:46.210 corruptible by, by greed and power and ignorance or whatever it might be. 00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:50.850 I think a lot of times see, and you bring up, man, there's so many different 00:43:50.850 --> 00:43:55.090 things that I want to talk about, but you bring up, uh, the PTSD, like in policing. 00:43:55.090 --> 00:43:59.790 And I think it's, um, it's Or even in the military, it's just, uh, the 00:43:59.790 --> 00:44:05.280 individual's interpretation of the events that happened, sort of like that 00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:08.660 old Victor Frankl one, you can, one thing you can't take away from me is 00:44:08.670 --> 00:44:11.470 the way I choose to respond to what you do to me, last of life's great freedoms 00:44:11.470 --> 00:44:14.920 is one's ability to choose their own attitude in any given circumstance. 00:44:14.930 --> 00:44:18.410 So being able to choose an attitude, whether they realize they can 00:44:18.410 --> 00:44:21.210 choose that or not, that they have that level of personal agency. 00:44:21.590 --> 00:44:28.470 Um, but then the societal, um, sort of Expectations that the 00:44:28.470 --> 00:44:30.110 individual thinks that are on them. 00:44:30.630 --> 00:44:36.020 Um, if you go off to war and you come back as society hails you as a war hero, 00:44:36.420 --> 00:44:42.660 uh, will you have less of a, uh, chance of getting PTSD than if you came back 00:44:42.660 --> 00:44:46.170 from war and everyone looks at you like you're a war criminal, because maybe the, 00:44:46.630 --> 00:44:49.490 uh, the war didn't go the way that, um. 00:44:50.090 --> 00:44:54.400 Everybody wanted it to, I had one guest on here in the past and I said, well, did 00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:55.990 you want to talk about your military time? 00:44:55.990 --> 00:44:58.730 He's like, yeah, no, I wasn't really on the right side of history on this one. 00:44:58.730 --> 00:45:00.850 I thought I was doing the right thing. 00:45:01.500 --> 00:45:04.980 Um, but he was from a different country. 00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:08.330 Um, but history unfolded in a different way. 00:45:08.330 --> 00:45:10.990 Maybe we just leave that one on, on the back burner. 00:45:11.120 --> 00:45:17.890 So I wonder if that, um, I guess to tie back to when you're talking about 00:45:17.890 --> 00:45:23.800 love, how a person can actually, uh, get into that realm and self love or 00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:28.500 at least understand where they're at and, um, whether that's got to come 00:45:28.500 --> 00:45:31.760 all internal or if there's external factors that can, that can lead to that. 00:45:32.490 --> 00:45:33.020 Yeah. 00:45:33.030 --> 00:45:33.650 Um, 00:45:33.660 --> 00:45:37.350 Jeff Depatie: well, one, him saying he's on the wrong side of history, uh, 00:45:37.370 --> 00:45:40.350 I don't know anything about the story, but I'm going to venture this guess. 00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:48.370 I like to think that he has an opportunity, you know, we all 00:45:48.370 --> 00:45:50.510 have a choice on in the moment. 00:45:50.510 --> 00:45:50.820 Yeah. 00:45:51.540 --> 00:45:53.990 I think it's one of our, you use the word agency. 00:45:54.040 --> 00:45:59.810 I don't think I don't even, I don't know anybody who has 100 percent agency, 00:46:00.200 --> 00:46:03.750 you know, cause we're a collective and some of that is really good. 00:46:03.750 --> 00:46:06.880 You know, we were really strong in some ways because we're a collective. 00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:10.170 Like I said, I think we're a disconnected collective, but nonetheless, I mean, 00:46:10.170 --> 00:46:14.130 we're populating the earth like crazy and, you know, we do kind of fascinating 00:46:14.140 --> 00:46:19.010 things, you know, rockets and we put mines miles into the ground and we have 00:46:19.010 --> 00:46:22.520 neutrino labs so we, we can do some pretty amazing things collectively. 00:46:23.230 --> 00:46:29.200 Um, Transcribed But do we really have agency like fully, you know, cause from 00:46:29.210 --> 00:46:33.030 day one, your patterns are being shaped. 00:46:33.240 --> 00:46:36.200 And that's why, you know, the, you asked the question about childhood and whatnot. 00:46:36.620 --> 00:46:39.980 It is so important for people to understand that, you know, that they're 00:46:39.980 --> 00:46:44.530 going to probably project patterns onto their kids right from the get go. 00:46:44.730 --> 00:46:45.640 And then eventually like. 00:46:46.860 --> 00:46:51.770 We, we get to this point where you're this fella or myself, and you ask yourself, I'm 00:46:51.770 --> 00:46:54.810 on the wrong side of history, or am I on the right side of history, or, but anyhow, 00:46:54.810 --> 00:46:58.850 I'm over here on this side of something that I didn't really actually sign up 00:46:58.850 --> 00:47:03.200 for, but I didn't know I didn't sign up for it because I didn't have that agency. 00:47:03.200 --> 00:47:10.690 And that's, that's to go back to PTSD complex beast. 00:47:11.500 --> 00:47:15.530 It's a complex beast that started millions of years ago in every one of us. 00:47:15.750 --> 00:47:20.830 And most people have some level of PTSD sitting in them. 00:47:20.830 --> 00:47:25.070 Now, technically PTSD sets in after a month and your symptoms become an issue. 00:47:25.310 --> 00:47:27.240 That's like the kind of the DSM model of it. 00:47:27.650 --> 00:47:32.830 But most people, hint, everybody is sitting on an 00:47:32.830 --> 00:47:34.570 opportunity to resolve something. 00:47:35.770 --> 00:47:37.330 Probably many things in their lives. 00:47:37.330 --> 00:47:40.170 We call it karma potentially, you know, small karmic patterns. 00:47:40.580 --> 00:47:43.690 Um, but it's, it's the big ones that sit there and PTSD is 00:47:43.690 --> 00:47:46.650 the complete absence of love. 00:47:47.600 --> 00:47:50.470 Now, fear and love are not just words that I juxtapose. 00:47:52.995 --> 00:47:56.235 They're, they're innate, they're, they're on Maslow's hierarchy, 00:47:56.505 --> 00:47:59.995 love and belonging is on the, the hierarchy, you know what I mean? 00:48:00.265 --> 00:48:04.735 So wherever it's mostly fear, we find the absence of love and that's what happens. 00:48:04.985 --> 00:48:07.235 PTSD is this deep need for love. 00:48:07.235 --> 00:48:10.455 It's a deep need to connect because usually those people have pushed 00:48:10.475 --> 00:48:13.385 everyone away and they're disconnected from themselves and they don't even 00:48:13.385 --> 00:48:14.865 know how to move through life anymore. 00:48:15.295 --> 00:48:19.810 Um, so you, you kind of like, you Touched on, you know, like, how 00:48:19.810 --> 00:48:21.000 does one move into that realm? 00:48:21.010 --> 00:48:23.170 It would be so nice if you just wake up and it was like, okay, 00:48:23.170 --> 00:48:24.160 I'm just going to love today. 00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:26.440 That'd be great. 00:48:26.470 --> 00:48:26.850 Right. 00:48:26.940 --> 00:48:27.680 Uh, Oh, good. 00:48:27.680 --> 00:48:28.600 I'm going to feel joy today. 00:48:28.610 --> 00:48:29.310 No problem. 00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:36.120 Um, the, the thing is, is we, we can move more and more towards 00:48:36.120 --> 00:48:38.039 that state as our default state. 00:48:39.060 --> 00:48:43.360 Most kids, if they're kind of left to be their own devices and they have 00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:46.310 like their survival needs met, like at a very young age, they'll usually 00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:49.100 default to that stage, you know, they'll play a lot more and whatnot. 00:48:49.680 --> 00:48:55.260 Um, But, but some of the signs, this is for anybody, this is this, 00:48:56.040 --> 00:48:59.420 you know, we usually PTSD gets attached to like service men and 00:48:59.420 --> 00:49:02.060 women, uh, much more than everybody. 00:49:02.640 --> 00:49:05.890 Uh, but the corporate world is seeing a massive rise in its issues through 00:49:05.890 --> 00:49:09.060 corporate burnout and disconnection, interpersonal dynamic issues. 00:49:09.610 --> 00:49:12.680 And that, that's the, that's the first sign. 00:49:12.730 --> 00:49:14.370 How connected are you? 00:49:14.370 --> 00:49:16.810 How like really connected are you with yourself? 00:49:16.810 --> 00:49:17.530 Like really? 00:49:17.860 --> 00:49:23.780 Begin to ask yourself, do I feel my emotional toolbox that 00:49:23.780 --> 00:49:28.140 includes things like joy and peace, like really being peaceful. 00:49:28.350 --> 00:49:31.560 Most people haven't decompressed their nervous system if ever in 00:49:31.560 --> 00:49:35.180 their life, like fully, I don't mean seven day all inclusive. 00:49:35.460 --> 00:49:38.540 I mean really decompress their nervous system. 00:49:38.540 --> 00:49:45.910 It takes a long time, um, to slow down your body and open up your arcs. 00:49:45.910 --> 00:49:47.050 It really does. 00:49:48.335 --> 00:49:55.185 Um, talking, talking is a very simple one, you know, but really talking. 00:49:56.085 --> 00:49:58.185 So most people talk to. 00:49:58.630 --> 00:49:59.850 Defend their opinion. 00:50:00.120 --> 00:50:00.860 That's what they do. 00:50:00.870 --> 00:50:05.370 If you really start listening, they're not genuinely trying to get 00:50:05.380 --> 00:50:08.140 to the same place as you, they're trying to defend their opinion. 00:50:08.370 --> 00:50:11.160 The reason they want to defend their opinion is because that's the ego being 00:50:11.160 --> 00:50:12.550 like, okay, this is my reality, right? 00:50:12.580 --> 00:50:13.510 This is my reality, right? 00:50:13.550 --> 00:50:14.140 Okay, I'm good. 00:50:14.650 --> 00:50:18.490 Um, and you know, so you kind of get into sickle, so you have to really 00:50:18.490 --> 00:50:26.210 be open to hearing, to really hearing a new message, um, because I think. 00:50:26.765 --> 00:50:29.155 To make sense of reality, it takes all of us. 00:50:29.685 --> 00:50:33.485 You know, like nobody, there might be more intelligent people out there, but like, we 00:50:33.485 --> 00:50:35.895 don't really fucking know what reality is. 00:50:35.895 --> 00:50:39.985 You know, you talk to a physicist at some point, reality runs out. 00:50:39.985 --> 00:50:43.055 You talk to any kind of mystic or religious person or people like 00:50:43.375 --> 00:50:46.505 this, isn't me slandering any, and I think it's all a beautiful pursuit. 00:50:46.505 --> 00:50:49.545 It's just like, we don't really know, you know, we don't, we're. 00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:54.770 And we don't really know, so let's start with that. 00:50:55.080 --> 00:50:58.800 And, but together we can, we understand that we can build these constructs. 00:50:58.810 --> 00:51:01.430 So, you know, we really start to feel that on. 00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:04.560 If I understand you more and you understand me more, well, we can start 00:51:04.560 --> 00:51:09.060 to pull that taffy and we can start to move into that state a little bit more. 00:51:09.630 --> 00:51:12.700 Um, look for rigidity in your life. 00:51:12.780 --> 00:51:16.550 So, you know, we, we talked about, we'll use, we'll use the police force. 00:51:17.030 --> 00:51:18.340 It's a very rigid world. 00:51:19.200 --> 00:51:23.540 It's very rigid, you know, it's got, it's like code of ethics and it's got the book 00:51:23.540 --> 00:51:25.120 that's been written for a thousand years. 00:51:25.120 --> 00:51:28.980 And it's like, and then it follows this thing that we call the law. 00:51:29.860 --> 00:51:36.940 And unfortunately, human beings are not actually like, we don't exist in 00:51:36.940 --> 00:51:38.330 black and white and that's what law is. 00:51:38.330 --> 00:51:39.100 It's black and white. 00:51:39.100 --> 00:51:40.480 So I get it. 00:51:40.630 --> 00:51:42.030 People are like, well, but how, how, how? 00:51:42.030 --> 00:51:46.190 And it's like, well, we slowly move into these states of feeling more connected. 00:51:46.470 --> 00:51:48.500 Lots of crimes will automatically go away. 00:51:49.105 --> 00:51:53.675 When you are connected to someone, you are way less likely to hurt them 00:51:54.235 --> 00:51:55.485 when you're connected to yourself. 00:51:55.515 --> 00:51:57.245 You're way less likely to hurt other people. 00:51:57.245 --> 00:51:59.915 It just, what happens is you expand your consciousness. 00:51:59.915 --> 00:52:03.535 You understand the repercussions of your emotions and your projections 00:52:03.545 --> 00:52:04.705 and you start working with them. 00:52:05.345 --> 00:52:11.255 Um, big word, use it a few times because I really like it, but it's courage. 00:52:11.255 --> 00:52:12.485 It's courage to be open. 00:52:13.105 --> 00:52:14.935 It's courage to be vulnerable. 00:52:16.240 --> 00:52:19.100 You know, that's, that's when we go into the underworld, whether it's like 00:52:19.100 --> 00:52:23.840 a heroic undertaking, like a deployment or, um, kicking down a door or going 00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:29.150 on an eight day in the mountains, sheep hunting, um, we're doing that 00:52:29.150 --> 00:52:32.310 conversion, but we understand that we're becoming vulnerable to that environment. 00:52:32.340 --> 00:52:36.760 We train and we practice and we build skills and tools, but we understand that. 00:52:36.770 --> 00:52:37.880 That's why we like doing it. 00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:40.950 Um, we have to get a little better. 00:52:40.980 --> 00:52:42.810 We are getting good at it, but better at. 00:52:43.140 --> 00:52:49.450 That vulnerability, um, I didn't realize that I wasn't what I 00:52:49.450 --> 00:52:52.310 would call a man until I really learned how to be vulnerable. 00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:56.970 And that gave me tools to be a psychological safe space for those 00:52:56.970 --> 00:52:58.290 around me when they need that. 00:52:59.430 --> 00:53:02.970 Um, and unfortunately for me, it took losing everything. 00:53:03.610 --> 00:53:07.660 I mean, everything that was important to me, uh, losing my wife, losing 00:53:07.660 --> 00:53:09.530 myself, pushing everything away. 00:53:09.770 --> 00:53:11.620 It took all that loss, which. 00:53:12.255 --> 00:53:17.165 Now, I, I believe we, there's parts of this journey we call life that we 00:53:17.175 --> 00:53:21.165 have to walk alone, but I definitely don't think we have to keep learning 00:53:21.175 --> 00:53:23.285 certain lessons over and over. 00:53:23.675 --> 00:53:26.825 Um, but I think we have to be open. 00:53:27.375 --> 00:53:32.585 Um, and the other thing is, is, is it's natural. 00:53:32.805 --> 00:53:37.855 We're given this beautiful toolbox, um, the spectrum of 00:53:37.855 --> 00:53:40.165 emotions, spectrums of feelings. 00:53:40.755 --> 00:53:40.925 Um. 00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:43.830 We just, we, we forget a little bit about it. 00:53:43.830 --> 00:53:45.050 You know, we forget how to do it. 00:53:45.050 --> 00:53:49.610 And we're starting to see it pop up more and more across the globe, in fact. 00:53:50.190 --> 00:53:51.440 Um, but it's going to be stifled. 00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:52.510 Like what the hell, man? 00:53:52.510 --> 00:53:54.230 Why are we in more at war again? 00:53:54.240 --> 00:53:55.050 Like what's going on? 00:53:55.060 --> 00:54:02.230 Like we can't have a discussion, you know, like we, but we have 00:54:02.230 --> 00:54:05.220 a society that doesn't want to let go of their old paradigms. 00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:09.040 Um, and it comes up against another society that doesn't want 00:54:09.040 --> 00:54:10.360 to let go of their paradigms. 00:54:11.060 --> 00:54:16.620 And I can say this, if you're at war, you are not open and you are not, you're 00:54:16.620 --> 00:54:22.340 not going to like accidentally we evolve because of war, but we can intentionally 00:54:22.340 --> 00:54:24.010 evolve before we get to that point. 00:54:24.020 --> 00:54:27.380 Like it's so antiquated and disgusting. 00:54:27.380 --> 00:54:28.110 This, this. 00:54:29.900 --> 00:54:31.090 It just blows my mind. 00:54:31.100 --> 00:54:32.180 Like, I don't get me wrong. 00:54:32.180 --> 00:54:36.670 Like for those who are putting themselves into that position of service, I get it. 00:54:36.710 --> 00:54:40.490 I was there once upon a time and I know the call, you know, that's, 00:54:40.500 --> 00:54:43.870 that's, I didn't know how to be of service of any other way. 00:54:43.870 --> 00:54:46.980 It was actually called being of service, a serviceman, you know what I mean? 00:54:46.980 --> 00:54:48.520 So I was like, oh, that's where I go be of service. 00:54:48.520 --> 00:54:49.690 I feel like that's what I want to do. 00:54:49.690 --> 00:54:57.900 And it's like, if that layer of people that kind of like 00:54:58.130 --> 00:54:59.990 metaphorically puts down their guns. 00:55:00.935 --> 00:55:05.715 Those ones that make most of the strategic level decisions, very 00:55:05.715 --> 00:55:07.815 few people control a lot of things. 00:55:07.815 --> 00:55:09.225 And again, it's not like a demonized thing. 00:55:09.225 --> 00:55:12.095 It's like just, that's where most of the wounded people sit. 00:55:12.095 --> 00:55:13.485 Like how much do you need? 00:55:13.865 --> 00:55:14.375 You know? 00:55:14.755 --> 00:55:20.055 Um, You'll see, it'll start to, to, to level these things out, but 00:55:20.075 --> 00:55:22.705 that goes back to understanding that we all play our part. 00:55:23.235 --> 00:55:26.475 Um, and the first place we should venture is inwards. 00:55:26.925 --> 00:55:31.465 And although it's, it's pretty scary, but anyways, it's in our nature to want to 00:55:31.465 --> 00:55:33.615 love it and it makes us more powerful. 00:55:33.615 --> 00:55:34.205 That's the thing. 00:55:35.010 --> 00:55:40.390 Um, it literally can stand down militaries. 00:55:40.390 --> 00:55:40.860 You know what I mean? 00:55:40.860 --> 00:55:44.910 It changes society for a positive all the time, whenever it pops up through 00:55:44.910 --> 00:55:46.940 the kind of the annals of history. 00:55:47.100 --> 00:55:54.520 Um, anyway, so, uh, you know, we're, we're, we're, that's why 00:55:54.520 --> 00:55:57.580 I thanked you at the beginning, cause I know that indirectly 00:55:57.580 --> 00:55:59.850 and directly, like we can go on. 00:56:00.215 --> 00:56:03.845 Uh, hunting fishing show and people are doing it because 00:56:03.845 --> 00:56:04.575 that's what we're looking for. 00:56:04.575 --> 00:56:06.485 And it's guys like you tugging on the threads, you know? 00:56:08.035 --> 00:56:09.365 Travis Bader: I appreciate that. 00:56:09.485 --> 00:56:15.675 Um, you know, and I've, I have some questions here as well from, uh, 00:56:15.725 --> 00:56:20.465 Silvercore club members in the, uh, maybe I'll get into those in a little bit, 00:56:20.465 --> 00:56:25.295 but the, um, yeah, no, you, you raise a whole bunch of very interesting points. 00:56:25.295 --> 00:56:27.345 I'm just trying to formulate my thoughts on them. 00:56:27.625 --> 00:56:29.625 Maybe, maybe I'll just ask this one. 00:56:30.165 --> 00:56:34.660 Um, Talking about the number one fear that individuals have on their death bed. 00:56:34.660 --> 00:56:35.720 And I've read this as well. 00:56:35.720 --> 00:56:39.770 They've got a, uh, palliative care nurses will make a list 00:56:39.770 --> 00:56:41.970 of what people have to say. 00:56:41.970 --> 00:56:45.610 And the number one regret was I just didn't have the courage to 00:56:45.610 --> 00:56:47.130 live the life I wanted to live. 00:56:47.660 --> 00:56:53.610 Um, you're saying really about two years ago, you just started to 00:56:53.610 --> 00:56:58.660 come into a better realization as to the life that you want to live. 00:56:58.720 --> 00:57:00.270 Is that a fair assessment? 00:57:01.050 --> 00:57:01.300 Jeff Depatie: Okay. 00:57:01.300 --> 00:57:08.420 What I would say is about seven years ago when I met, um, when I met Jess, Jessica 00:57:08.420 --> 00:57:10.880 Webster, um, and fell deeply in love. 00:57:11.830 --> 00:57:14.610 Uh, I had started having the stirrings before that. 00:57:14.985 --> 00:57:19.545 But yeah, I would say that's when it really started, but it wasn't until, um, 00:57:19.645 --> 00:57:25.065 I swallowed rock bottom smashing into it that I really fully realized, Oh man, 00:57:25.285 --> 00:57:28.495 even though I'd already been doing work, I'd been like developing performance. 00:57:28.525 --> 00:57:33.235 I'd been thinking that I was living myself out and I was honing myself. 00:57:33.315 --> 00:57:33.875 Parts of it. 00:57:33.875 --> 00:57:34.265 Yes. 00:57:34.275 --> 00:57:34.625 True. 00:57:34.635 --> 00:57:34.955 Right. 00:57:34.955 --> 00:57:37.225 We, we, we, we have to do. 00:57:38.240 --> 00:57:42.130 Experience is a great teacher, um, but it's also going to like 00:57:42.130 --> 00:57:43.800 show us a lot of our, our follies. 00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:44.050 Right. 00:57:44.050 --> 00:57:44.820 But it takes both. 00:57:44.820 --> 00:57:46.680 It takes messing up through experience. 00:57:46.710 --> 00:57:48.330 Um, yeah. 00:57:48.330 --> 00:57:51.960 And then it was, it was a couple of years ago that it was like, bam, I'm 00:57:51.980 --> 00:57:55.660 like, I have, I actually can have agency. 00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:59.990 I just have to really discover what what's pulling the strings. 00:58:00.010 --> 00:58:01.140 You know, what 00:58:01.140 --> 00:58:03.520 Travis Bader: did swallowing rock bottom look like to you? 00:58:04.900 --> 00:58:09.200 Jeff Depatie: Um, Well, I suppose like, if we were to try to like 00:58:09.200 --> 00:58:13.330 move it to like a single moment, I almost jumped off a balcony in Vegas. 00:58:13.730 --> 00:58:20.930 Um, I'd never felt anything like that in my life where it was like, it wasn't a, or 00:58:20.930 --> 00:58:24.830 like a, I didn't stop and think about it. 00:58:25.050 --> 00:58:26.170 It was just like, I'm doing this. 00:58:26.200 --> 00:58:29.310 It was just like this weird part of my mind was like, Nope. 00:58:29.990 --> 00:58:35.010 This is how we're going to like exercise our last bit of your own 00:58:35.110 --> 00:58:37.630 ability was, it was, it was awful. 00:58:37.780 --> 00:58:39.950 Um, I started to have like a breakdown that day. 00:58:40.940 --> 00:58:46.840 Um, and, and this is kind of common for a lot of people, you know, like there's 00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:50.670 a lot of these symbols that show up and I, and I won't throw too many of them out 00:58:50.670 --> 00:58:53.400 there, but it, cause it doesn't really matter because people know, they know 00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:59.010 when the system's shutting down and, uh, Um, that was the beginning of it. 00:58:59.020 --> 00:59:00.980 That's why I said, if I was to pick a moment, it started there. 00:59:00.980 --> 00:59:07.070 But like, really it was when I lost my wife, when she left, um, what 00:59:07.070 --> 00:59:13.190 I loved the most in the world, you know, I only could blame myself. 00:59:13.640 --> 00:59:14.820 I can't blame everyone else. 00:59:14.820 --> 00:59:18.690 I can't be like, Oh, why didn't the caveman evolve quicker? 00:59:18.700 --> 00:59:22.710 And why didn't my parents, you know, why did, why couldn't they sort this out? 00:59:22.720 --> 00:59:24.930 You know, it wasn't, it was, I only had myself to blame. 00:59:25.895 --> 00:59:32.985 Um, but that gave me this opportunity to, um, take it, not develop 00:59:32.985 --> 00:59:34.365 more shame or guilt with it. 00:59:34.495 --> 00:59:39.535 Cause those will just compound it, but really be like, okay, what do 00:59:39.535 --> 00:59:41.645 I want to do moving forward here? 00:59:41.645 --> 00:59:42.045 You know? 00:59:42.065 --> 00:59:48.775 And that's the thing, you know, we can feel these lows, um, but it's 00:59:48.785 --> 00:59:52.755 when you lose what is most important to you that that should kick in. 00:59:52.765 --> 00:59:54.475 Now I don't believe we have to do that. 00:59:56.090 --> 00:59:59.840 Um, but that led to like a lot of sleepless nights for me. 00:59:59.840 --> 01:00:01.240 That led to a lot of soul searching. 01:00:01.240 --> 01:00:04.130 That led me to a giant walk about that. 01:00:04.290 --> 01:00:09.300 You know, I, I was like, everything's on the table now, you know, everybody 01:00:09.300 --> 01:00:12.030 here can be, you know, that everyone's a teacher, you know, everyone's there 01:00:12.030 --> 01:00:13.670 can be a mentor kind of mentality. 01:00:14.180 --> 01:00:18.070 Um, there was nothing I wasn't willing to try from plant medicine 01:00:18.070 --> 01:00:23.410 to like past life, regression, psychotherapy, analysis, somatic stuff. 01:00:23.530 --> 01:00:34.525 Um, That there was nothing that was off the table because I, for me, I 01:00:34.525 --> 01:00:38.875 think that is if you decide there's a reason most people wait till their 01:00:38.875 --> 01:00:40.165 deathbed to be like, you know what? 01:00:40.175 --> 01:00:41.005 I was a pussy. 01:00:41.325 --> 01:00:43.225 Um, I'm just kidding. 01:00:43.225 --> 01:00:44.175 I know it's not funny. 01:00:44.235 --> 01:00:45.055 I know it's not funny. 01:00:45.115 --> 01:00:49.795 Um, because it's that scary to turn and be like, okay, I'm going to go this way. 01:00:50.445 --> 01:00:53.745 When you decide to not be that version of you. 01:00:53.745 --> 01:00:57.975 And it's scary because people think it's like you're lighting the temple on fire. 01:00:57.975 --> 01:00:58.245 Right. 01:00:58.245 --> 01:00:59.665 And it's not really like that. 01:00:59.665 --> 01:01:03.955 It's like, I, I, I still know how to shoot guns really well. 01:01:03.955 --> 01:01:04.455 You know what I mean? 01:01:04.455 --> 01:01:07.875 I still have a lot of attributes from being a JTF assault, or I 01:01:07.875 --> 01:01:10.425 still have attributes before that, you know, I can still fly planes. 01:01:10.425 --> 01:01:12.565 There's like, there's a lot of the skill stuff. 01:01:12.575 --> 01:01:15.095 And then there's a lot of your experience that is actually good. 01:01:15.105 --> 01:01:17.625 It's like, um, it's not. 01:01:18.395 --> 01:01:23.655 A full on got a, you know, but it feels like a full rebuild from the bottom 01:01:23.655 --> 01:01:28.165 up, because that's where we got to find the, the, the chinks in the mortar. 01:01:28.165 --> 01:01:28.595 Right. 01:01:29.245 --> 01:01:30.435 That's from that bottom up. 01:01:31.075 --> 01:01:38.125 And, uh, usually I'm, I was kind of lucky because, you know, um, I had 01:01:38.125 --> 01:01:43.655 financial support and I didn't have kids and I can only imagine, cause I 01:01:43.655 --> 01:01:45.545 know this happens to guys and gals. 01:01:46.040 --> 01:01:49.750 They get into the same sticky situation, but then it's like, well, 01:01:49.750 --> 01:01:51.710 I have to keep going to this job. 01:01:51.710 --> 01:01:55.810 I hate, I have to keep doing these things because I got a little mouse to feed. 01:01:55.820 --> 01:01:56.460 You know what I mean? 01:01:56.680 --> 01:02:00.730 And it's such a sad thing because if we had better real support systems 01:02:00.730 --> 01:02:03.740 for it, because I think people should be rewarded for this journey. 01:02:04.160 --> 01:02:07.860 If the medic, like on the other side of this, I'm healthier, you 01:02:07.860 --> 01:02:09.580 know, I've, I've tended to wounds. 01:02:09.610 --> 01:02:11.780 I'm less of a burden on society. 01:02:11.780 --> 01:02:11.794 Yeah. 01:02:12.195 --> 01:02:16.215 Literally, you know, I'm less likely to need to go to the hospital. 01:02:16.215 --> 01:02:17.805 I'm less likely to burn out. 01:02:17.805 --> 01:02:20.465 I'm much better at interacting with people. 01:02:20.475 --> 01:02:22.815 So people should be rewarded on the other side of this 01:02:22.815 --> 01:02:24.445 journey, because it's perilous. 01:02:24.495 --> 01:02:25.505 It's, it's perilous. 01:02:25.885 --> 01:02:29.005 Um, that's why, again, people wait till their deathbed to be like, you know, 01:02:29.265 --> 01:02:32.245 maybe I should have did it differently, but we can, we can do it differently. 01:02:33.185 --> 01:02:37.465 Um, and we're so lucky now because we have podcasts, we have 01:02:37.555 --> 01:02:39.435 the internet to start looking. 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:43.860 Now, like I said earlier, there's still a lot of people who like to, 01:02:44.670 --> 01:02:47.760 you know, dress up the peg if you will, or whatever, you know, and make 01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:52.750 it shiny and like reuse the, the, the quote from the Roman emperor. 01:02:52.750 --> 01:02:53.490 And you know what I mean? 01:02:53.490 --> 01:02:54.450 Like all that kind of stuff. 01:02:54.450 --> 01:02:59.050 And it's like, that's good, which is really start to tune into it. 01:02:59.050 --> 01:03:02.870 Because what happens is you be, it's like. 01:03:04.520 --> 01:03:08.380 Like I said, most people can really talk about how they sense reality through their 01:03:08.380 --> 01:03:13.000 senses, but we have other senses that we're able to start tapping into where our 01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:19.160 body knows things like it literally knows, Oh, I should go that way or not that way. 01:03:19.160 --> 01:03:22.620 Now I'm using kind of like a direction just as like an easy metaphor, but it's 01:03:22.630 --> 01:03:25.250 like, it really knows like, don't do this. 01:03:25.250 --> 01:03:25.820 Don't do this. 01:03:25.820 --> 01:03:29.090 Like a lot of people, like, uh, an example. 01:03:29.620 --> 01:03:31.990 Um, everybody's heard this a long time. 01:03:31.990 --> 01:03:34.050 People were like, yeah, I should have quit drinking five years ago. 01:03:34.050 --> 01:03:35.780 I wanted to quit drinking five years ago. 01:03:36.200 --> 01:03:37.390 It's like, well, why are you still drinking? 01:03:37.390 --> 01:03:39.870 You know, it's like your body knows, you know, even your mind 01:03:39.870 --> 01:03:43.200 knows, but it's a wall, you know, pressures and this and patterns and 01:03:43.200 --> 01:03:44.870 whatnot, that happens all the time. 01:03:44.870 --> 01:03:49.960 And, um, a lot of people want to build, but most of what 01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:51.210 we have to do is tear down. 01:03:52.595 --> 01:03:55.945 Um, once you tear down, burn off the droves, um, then you're 01:03:55.965 --> 01:03:59.175 actually really free because then you can look at your values. 01:03:59.175 --> 01:04:02.535 You can say for the first time in your life, I have a better 01:04:02.535 --> 01:04:03.745 idea of what my values are. 01:04:03.745 --> 01:04:07.025 They're not perfect because we're humans. 01:04:07.025 --> 01:04:08.245 We're not meant to be perfect. 01:04:08.255 --> 01:04:12.935 That's our existence to help complexify the universe is through imperfection. 01:04:13.545 --> 01:04:17.165 Um, but that value, yeah, that's not mine. 01:04:17.195 --> 01:04:17.985 That was my mom's. 01:04:18.015 --> 01:04:18.745 Oh, that value. 01:04:18.785 --> 01:04:19.535 No, that was. 01:04:19.605 --> 01:04:21.475 Uh, and You know, that was school's value. 01:04:21.485 --> 01:04:21.835 Okay. 01:04:21.835 --> 01:04:23.665 These aren't actually my values. 01:04:24.055 --> 01:04:27.555 Now, generally when someone has well thought out values, they overlap 01:04:27.555 --> 01:04:28.795 very well with the rest of the world. 01:04:28.795 --> 01:04:33.035 They look different, but my value set is probably not going to detract 01:04:33.045 --> 01:04:35.105 from your authentic value set. 01:04:35.315 --> 01:04:37.025 They're usually nurturing like that. 01:04:37.025 --> 01:04:38.765 They can be divergent, but they're nurturing. 01:04:39.425 --> 01:04:43.710 Um, and once you have that, You can start to look at the input outputs 01:04:43.710 --> 01:04:45.240 that you do to nurture those. 01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:50.150 And when I say input outputs, I literally mean, okay, to live a healthy existence. 01:04:50.150 --> 01:04:54.250 I have to put good food and water and air in my body, you know, input 01:04:54.250 --> 01:04:58.000 outputs, the relationships that are around me, what you action. 01:04:58.130 --> 01:05:03.080 And then, you know, because we are, um, cerebral, our inputs 01:05:03.090 --> 01:05:04.390 can be from inside too, right? 01:05:04.390 --> 01:05:06.170 A lot of people have negative self talk. 01:05:06.170 --> 01:05:08.320 It's like, well, where the fuck did that come from? 01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:09.934 You know, like, um, but. 01:05:10.325 --> 01:05:12.705 I, I, why do I say that about myself? 01:05:12.705 --> 01:05:14.205 You know, but okay, that's an input. 01:05:14.205 --> 01:05:16.915 You're actually inputting into the feedback loops, right? 01:05:17.285 --> 01:05:17.575 Okay. 01:05:17.575 --> 01:05:19.085 I can say that better about myself. 01:05:19.085 --> 01:05:22.925 We call it language tech where you readjust your language. 01:05:23.085 --> 01:05:28.365 It's not just, you know, sports psychology or it's, it's access to your own joy 01:05:28.675 --> 01:05:31.125 as well, um, through these means. 01:05:31.550 --> 01:05:33.679 Eckhart 01:05:33.680 --> 01:05:37.050 Travis Bader: Tolle talked about wanting to take his own life. 01:05:37.130 --> 01:05:43.890 And instead of following through, he experienced essentially a, uh, 01:05:43.910 --> 01:05:45.950 metaphysical death of his ego. 01:05:46.350 --> 01:05:53.140 Um, And then he started his journey from there in a, in a similar way, it 01:05:53.140 --> 01:05:57.720 sounds like where your journey started, was there a bit of a death, ego death? 01:05:57.900 --> 01:05:59.570 Did you feel that happening there? 01:05:59.630 --> 01:06:04.390 Um, and of all the modalities that you, uh, endeavored down 01:06:04.580 --> 01:06:10.470 afterwards, which ones did you find the most beneficial to yourself? 01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:13.580 Jeff Depatie: I think. 01:06:14.980 --> 01:06:21.620 This is just totally anecdotal, but I think this is accurate in evolution. 01:06:21.860 --> 01:06:26.990 If we look, if we accept that, whether, you know, God created the world and the 01:06:26.990 --> 01:06:33.290 universe or evolution or the matrix, it looks like it likes to build on itself. 01:06:33.700 --> 01:06:37.310 You know, it looks like it liked hydrogen. 01:06:37.310 --> 01:06:41.890 So then it like formed helium and then it looked like those became long 01:06:42.190 --> 01:06:43.210 peptides and you know what I mean? 01:06:43.210 --> 01:06:43.970 And it looks like. 01:06:44.645 --> 01:06:46.685 That's what I, when I say complexification, that's 01:06:46.685 --> 01:06:47.435 what I'm talking about. 01:06:47.705 --> 01:06:51.655 The universe liked creating like that again, doesn't matter where it comes from. 01:06:51.985 --> 01:06:55.975 If we just accept that it adds to that complexity, it likes to build on itself. 01:06:56.045 --> 01:07:01.315 And I think one of the things it did is it took the sensation of physical death being 01:07:01.315 --> 01:07:05.750 scared of like Like not scared because the body's actually not scared of death. 01:07:05.750 --> 01:07:10.030 Like the body itself is not scared of death, but it wants to avoid death. 01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:13.720 You know, the emotion of scared that's a, that's, that's where we'll get to. 01:07:14.070 --> 01:07:20.410 Um, but that emotion of avoiding death and then our psychology got built on top of 01:07:20.410 --> 01:07:25.290 that, you know, our upper, probably higher limbic system and then past the basal. 01:07:25.710 --> 01:07:29.160 Um, um, not the basal ganglia. 01:07:29.190 --> 01:07:31.160 Um, uh, I can't remember. 01:07:31.260 --> 01:07:33.870 Anyways, into our newer systems are like kind of neocortex. 01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:36.660 So we get confused. 01:07:38.010 --> 01:07:43.720 Um, the ego wants to die, but it feels like physical death. 01:07:43.750 --> 01:07:46.010 And so we equate that to feeling like suicide. 01:07:46.490 --> 01:07:50.540 Cause as I tore it apart more, I realized like, I didn't 01:07:50.540 --> 01:07:51.670 really actually want to die. 01:07:51.700 --> 01:07:54.840 I just wanted that version of me to die. 01:07:55.140 --> 01:07:57.690 And that's like the, I had to go to battle with that. 01:07:58.120 --> 01:08:01.150 And that showed up in many ways, you know, it showed up in my journal, it showed 01:08:01.150 --> 01:08:02.630 up in my dreams and things like that. 01:08:03.050 --> 01:08:07.650 Um, and you know, for those who are listening, they might not like feel this. 01:08:07.660 --> 01:08:10.500 It actually led to me being much more stable in my life. 01:08:10.530 --> 01:08:15.800 These destabilizations, a lot of people want to like remain rigid because they 01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:17.490 don't want to be seen as unstable. 01:08:17.550 --> 01:08:18.090 And it's like, well. 01:08:18.900 --> 01:08:19.700 Sometimes we're stable. 01:08:19.700 --> 01:08:20.910 Sometimes we're unstable, man. 01:08:20.910 --> 01:08:23.830 That's, that's the idea of community, you know, that's how life is. 01:08:23.830 --> 01:08:24.860 And yeah, okay. 01:08:24.860 --> 01:08:29.360 You know, dad or mom can't do it as much, but you still got to dig into it. 01:08:30.120 --> 01:08:34.920 So I think when the ego is like, Oh, it's time to die, or I'm not going 01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:36.470 to live out my full expression. 01:08:37.050 --> 01:08:41.390 Um, it can feel like physical death and it very much is like that. 01:08:41.480 --> 01:08:45.109 And I would say that the strongest modality that led to that, um, 01:08:46.240 --> 01:08:48.670 Um, was my experimentation. 01:08:48.670 --> 01:08:53.050 I say experimentation, but I worked with professional shaman, um, medicine 01:08:53.050 --> 01:08:58.110 people was with ayahuasca or what I call Dime, which is just a variant of it. 01:08:58.550 --> 01:08:59.880 And Bufalovirus. 01:09:00.830 --> 01:09:02.490 And it was not like just one time. 01:09:03.050 --> 01:09:05.470 You have to learn how to like work with these. 01:09:05.470 --> 01:09:07.810 Your body has to learn how to process. 01:09:07.810 --> 01:09:10.610 Just like I said, we have to relearn how to have emotions. 01:09:10.800 --> 01:09:14.120 We have to learn how to have visual experiences and we have to learn how 01:09:14.120 --> 01:09:18.260 to, um, grab the marrow from that. 01:09:20.660 --> 01:09:21.250 I. 01:09:23.970 --> 01:09:28.170 You can't really explain it in a way, because it's one, it's very personal, 01:09:28.170 --> 01:09:31.930 especially like a, an ayahuasca is very, it's you, you know, it's like 01:09:32.860 --> 01:09:37.680 your, everything you couldn't face and everything you feel living out, like in a 01:09:37.680 --> 01:09:44.225 dream state, you know, um, But then when it came, so like I'd sat with that and 01:09:44.225 --> 01:09:48.555 then I used something called combo, which is like, it's an amazing, it's a miracle. 01:09:48.555 --> 01:09:50.545 It's one of the last miracles on earth for sure. 01:09:50.575 --> 01:09:53.865 But it's a, it's, it's not a hallucinogen, uh, hallucinogenic. 01:09:53.865 --> 01:09:57.675 It's, uh, it's much more like a traditional medicine, but like 01:09:59.535 --> 01:10:03.515 awful, awful, it's awful, but it purges your lymphatic system. 01:10:03.515 --> 01:10:04.575 It purges your body. 01:10:05.070 --> 01:10:09.570 Physiologically and psychologically, and using these things along with other 01:10:09.570 --> 01:10:13.650 techniques, simple techniques of self expression and, uh, reading, you know, 01:10:13.670 --> 01:10:18.820 the more traditional ways of finding yourself adversity, not putting myself 01:10:18.820 --> 01:10:21.990 into adversity, learning how to do that, you know, being like, am I just 01:10:21.990 --> 01:10:23.540 doing this to numb myself, these things. 01:10:23.930 --> 01:10:32.240 Um, Bufo, that was like, The term ego death gets used a lot with plant 01:10:32.250 --> 01:10:36.390 medicines, but for me, it was with Bufo that I had the truest ego death and it 01:10:36.390 --> 01:10:40.670 just basically felt like all my system shut off, but I still had like a backseat 01:10:40.670 --> 01:10:42.510 of consciousness, the last little bit. 01:10:43.160 --> 01:10:47.120 Um, and that's where, when people try to describe it, they're really 01:10:47.130 --> 01:10:50.920 trying to describe what's called, I call undifferentiated consciousness. 01:10:52.125 --> 01:10:55.905 So right now there's an illusion that you and I are separate, you know, through 01:10:55.905 --> 01:11:00.315 time and space, those are, those are left brain constructs, but we're not separate 01:11:01.255 --> 01:11:03.555 literally energetically atomically. 01:11:03.565 --> 01:11:05.765 Cause we're on earth and there's a bunch of atoms around us. 01:11:05.835 --> 01:11:06.695 We're not separated. 01:11:06.705 --> 01:11:08.355 We're we're it's all connected. 01:11:08.895 --> 01:11:09.959 Quantum link tangled. 01:11:11.200 --> 01:11:15.260 And so we're connected on like fundamental levels and then subfundamental on a 01:11:15.260 --> 01:11:18.770 quantum level exactly, and potentially even smaller levels than that, but 01:11:18.780 --> 01:11:21.220 also on bigger levels, you know, we like to use the reductionist 01:11:21.220 --> 01:11:23.640 approach on a cosmological level. 01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:27.010 We're all spinning around this thing together. 01:11:27.570 --> 01:11:33.460 Um, Um, but it's like, it's like almost like your senses kind of shut down, 01:11:33.460 --> 01:11:36.130 but you're still existent in a way. 01:11:36.280 --> 01:11:40.490 And I think that's like where people have near death experiences because I've 01:11:40.490 --> 01:11:44.320 had them and it's very similar, uh, the way it feels, the way it looks, it just 01:11:44.330 --> 01:11:47.730 looks like pure energy, but it looks like you're kind of in that pure energy. 01:11:48.280 --> 01:11:51.310 Um, and people have tried to describe that as, you know, kneeling before God. 01:11:51.310 --> 01:11:51.890 That's how like. 01:11:52.105 --> 01:11:53.835 It depends on who I'm having the conversation with. 01:11:54.145 --> 01:11:55.665 You know, if I was having it with a Christian, I would 01:11:55.665 --> 01:11:56.875 say kneeling before God. 01:11:57.255 --> 01:12:01.145 Um, if I was talking to a physicist, I would say something like exactly, I was 01:12:01.145 --> 01:12:06.555 perceiving the snapshot of like quantum energy without any differentiation, 01:12:06.555 --> 01:12:07.925 without my senses put on it. 01:12:08.515 --> 01:12:13.165 Um, and I would say that was by far, people have been using this stuff 01:12:13.215 --> 01:12:16.765 to have ego deaths for a long time in, in certain tribal societies. 01:12:17.105 --> 01:12:18.705 They'll use it through a child's life. 01:12:19.440 --> 01:12:23.550 They'll start to, they'll start to like, Oh, you know, 01:12:24.380 --> 01:12:25.560 whatever they call their kids. 01:12:25.850 --> 01:12:33.190 A little is starting to show ego issues and they'll use that to 01:12:33.450 --> 01:12:35.680 help break that cycle early on. 01:12:35.940 --> 01:12:36.640 Interesting. 01:12:37.310 --> 01:12:40.700 Cause what happens is no matter what, we're going to get in patterns where 01:12:40.700 --> 01:12:42.690 we get locked up in fear a little bit. 01:12:42.750 --> 01:12:45.890 It's called survival and we got to go into survival sometimes, but the 01:12:45.890 --> 01:12:47.480 key is to move back out of that. 01:12:48.020 --> 01:12:51.930 Take the lesson because that like we talked about risk and reward. 01:12:51.940 --> 01:12:52.640 That's what it's about. 01:12:52.640 --> 01:12:56.140 It's about how do we bring back the reward, right? 01:12:56.220 --> 01:12:58.760 I mean, we're really good at the risk and keeping our nervous 01:12:58.760 --> 01:13:01.530 system to the floor in the West. 01:13:02.010 --> 01:13:07.020 Um, but they'll start using it very early on where us, uh, most people 01:13:07.020 --> 01:13:10.300 don't have access to therapies and things like that throughout their life. 01:13:10.300 --> 01:13:13.610 So we get to a point where it's like the system is jank and broken. 01:13:14.500 --> 01:13:17.230 All the way over here, you know, 35, 40 years later. 01:13:17.230 --> 01:13:21.920 So there's a lot more undoing, a lot more revisiting, you know, the onion is like 01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:24.420 got a lot of layers, um, at this point. 01:13:24.430 --> 01:13:26.560 So I would say that I would say, um, 01:13:29.580 --> 01:13:36.930 for me, real wild nature, just getting to be in that presence. 01:13:36.930 --> 01:13:37.364 Like. 01:13:38.115 --> 01:13:44.295 It almost like it re shows me how to just be in that place, you know, um, 01:13:44.295 --> 01:13:49.915 where you're kind of absorbing the small and also the macro and you know, 01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:55.800 When we're in real, like it's, it's kind of hard to find totally untapped 01:13:55.960 --> 01:14:01.520 nature now, because you got jets dropping, um, exhaust fumes everywhere. 01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:05.620 We got a 5g and all kinds of radioactive or not radioactive 01:14:05.970 --> 01:14:07.140 radio signals everywhere. 01:14:07.140 --> 01:14:10.630 So it's very hard to be fully untouched, but the more you can. 01:14:11.955 --> 01:14:15.255 Um, there's a theory called, you know, it's the Schumann resonance, which is 01:14:15.265 --> 01:14:18.915 mathematically provable, but it's kind of like the pulse of the earth and the closer 01:14:18.915 --> 01:14:24.625 you can move yourself to vibrating at that resonance, you'll feel more in peace. 01:14:25.125 --> 01:14:26.455 Um, you'll make better decisions. 01:14:26.455 --> 01:14:28.875 So what happens is like the, what I like to do is I like to try to 01:14:28.875 --> 01:14:32.315 move to that state and then I'll. 01:14:32.700 --> 01:14:34.550 Reassess things in my own life. 01:14:35.370 --> 01:14:37.550 And then I also look at like, what do I want to do? 01:14:37.550 --> 01:14:40.590 So like I call it life's work when I'm learning these lessons, how 01:14:40.590 --> 01:14:42.470 I implement them into the world. 01:14:42.470 --> 01:14:43.580 I call that life's work. 01:14:44.300 --> 01:14:46.030 Um, not purpose. 01:14:46.420 --> 01:14:48.650 I think everyone's purpose is the same. 01:14:49.750 --> 01:14:50.690 They should interest. 01:14:50.690 --> 01:14:54.260 Your purpose is to build yourself up authentically and vibrate at 01:14:54.260 --> 01:14:55.840 your best possible potential. 01:14:57.285 --> 01:15:00.805 Um, but how do I want to bring this back into the world because 01:15:00.935 --> 01:15:01.865 got to be careful, right? 01:15:01.865 --> 01:15:05.555 I'm a human being and I filter my reality through all my filtration systems. 01:15:06.025 --> 01:15:08.845 Um, so that's where you consciously bring it back. 01:15:09.345 --> 01:15:15.685 Um, yeah, so I would, I would say natural plant medicine is like probably the 01:15:15.685 --> 01:15:22.795 single greatest, but the thing is, is these are, these are tools that are, um, 01:15:24.990 --> 01:15:27.090 Best use in tandem with other things. 01:15:27.790 --> 01:15:29.280 Um, like 01:15:29.310 --> 01:15:30.380 Travis Bader: talk therapy or 01:15:30.380 --> 01:15:32.120 Jeff Depatie: like, yeah. 01:15:32.160 --> 01:15:34.870 And, and, you know, this is not to like put a slight against talk 01:15:34.870 --> 01:15:38.090 therapy, but just talking is enough. 01:15:38.570 --> 01:15:44.710 So when we did the documentary dark night of our soul, every single intervention 01:15:45.890 --> 01:15:48.140 basically started with one of two things. 01:15:48.710 --> 01:15:52.680 It started prefrontal cortex saying like, I'm going to do this. 01:15:53.060 --> 01:15:53.510 Um, but. 01:15:53.955 --> 01:15:56.845 Almost everything involved another human being. 01:15:57.735 --> 01:16:00.615 The first step to talk therapy is actually talking to someone. 01:16:00.615 --> 01:16:03.225 The first step to ketamine therapy is talking to someone. 01:16:03.425 --> 01:16:07.285 The first step to plant medicine is talking to some, the first step to going 01:16:07.285 --> 01:16:11.725 and doing surf therapy, like you're interacting with another human because now 01:16:11.725 --> 01:16:15.635 you're reconnecting where we have so much of our brain is designed to connect with 01:16:15.635 --> 01:16:17.535 other humans, and if we're not doing that. 01:16:18.360 --> 01:16:23.200 Like fully, um, well, it's just, it's atrofying and it probably feels like 01:16:23.200 --> 01:16:25.270 an insanity, like a true insanity. 01:16:27.500 --> 01:16:27.990 Travis Bader: It's interesting. 01:16:27.990 --> 01:16:31.340 You talk about the matrix there, a friend of mine, Sean Taylor, we 01:16:31.340 --> 01:16:33.310 spoke with him, spoke about him. 01:16:33.845 --> 01:16:40.705 Uh, offline here, but he, prior to, uh, joint task force, we called JTF2, I think 01:16:40.705 --> 01:16:44.885 he calls himself a plank holder, who is one of the original people on there. 01:16:45.655 --> 01:16:51.715 Um, we're supposed to be recording an episode either on the Silvercore 01:16:51.715 --> 01:16:55.775 podcast or on another friend's podcast, uh, talking about his 01:16:55.785 --> 01:16:59.095 thoughts and our thoughts about do we live in the matrix or not? 01:16:59.095 --> 01:17:02.125 Cause it's something he brings up and toys around with a fair bit. 01:17:02.135 --> 01:17:02.145 Arr! 01:17:03.985 --> 01:17:08.545 You experiencing the universe through yourself, Jeff, or is the universe 01:17:08.545 --> 01:17:10.305 experiencing itself through you? 01:17:10.785 --> 01:17:11.495 What are your thoughts? 01:17:14.215 --> 01:17:19.515 Jeff Depatie: I think when we look at human truth, it's always a paradox, 01:17:19.705 --> 01:17:21.055 which means it's always both. 01:17:22.125 --> 01:17:26.815 So yes, the universe is. 01:17:30.790 --> 01:17:34.210 I'm literally here to evolve the universe. 01:17:34.490 --> 01:17:36.490 I know that sounds like God level work, but it is. 01:17:36.500 --> 01:17:37.310 We're all part of God. 01:17:37.310 --> 01:17:38.400 We're all part of the universe. 01:17:38.400 --> 01:17:39.640 We're all part of the matrix. 01:17:40.010 --> 01:17:42.240 There's a real responsibility to being human. 01:17:42.240 --> 01:17:43.100 It's not just. 01:17:43.690 --> 01:17:45.160 They come and kick it, you know what I mean? 01:17:45.160 --> 01:17:47.700 Hang out, get drunk and whatever and do nothing. 01:17:48.200 --> 01:17:52.150 Um, it's, it's to, it's to take these wounds, these shadows, these hard 01:17:52.150 --> 01:17:56.360 earned lessons through risk and reward and develop it more and more and more. 01:17:56.370 --> 01:17:57.140 That's the thing right now. 01:17:57.140 --> 01:18:02.020 A lot of people don't really see that if we do this, we're going to evolve. 01:18:03.440 --> 01:18:07.510 Um, but I am also experiencing it. 01:18:08.110 --> 01:18:10.410 Now I mentioned undifferentiated consciousness. 01:18:10.410 --> 01:18:14.490 I don't really putting an equal sign or a zero is a human thing to do. 01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:18.240 There is nowhere in the universe where there is nothing. 01:18:19.120 --> 01:18:21.420 Nothing doesn't exist everywhere in the universe. 01:18:21.440 --> 01:18:23.170 There is neutrinos and there's light. 01:18:23.170 --> 01:18:25.380 We just don't see it because it's not reflecting off everything. 01:18:25.680 --> 01:18:28.040 There's quantum entangled energies. 01:18:28.040 --> 01:18:30.800 There's there's zero is a construct of mankind. 01:18:30.800 --> 01:18:34.370 So even saying universe through me or me through universe is like kind 01:18:34.370 --> 01:18:35.760 of putting an equal sign or a zero. 01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:39.320 It's just one paradoxical event happening. 01:18:40.650 --> 01:18:42.750 But I do believe that we are. 01:18:44.660 --> 01:18:51.460 An evolution of that, like, um, of it trying to push through and potentially. 01:18:52.200 --> 01:18:55.300 It wants to see itself, you know, like how, like some people say, like, it's 01:18:55.300 --> 01:19:02.520 like kind of like a really, uh, not Hindu, what kind of like, uh, a true 01:19:02.540 --> 01:19:06.180 Tantra, like if we not, not Tantric, like, like the West likes to think of 01:19:06.180 --> 01:19:10.600 it, but like a two true Tantra system or something, or like a real, like, um, 01:19:11.750 --> 01:19:13.680 certain aspects of Buddhism or whatnot. 01:19:15.090 --> 01:19:18.810 Um, trying to say that it's like trying to see itself. 01:19:20.510 --> 01:19:23.020 I just think that we're actually, that's why I like when people are 01:19:23.020 --> 01:19:24.270 like, ah, I'm born in the wrong time. 01:19:24.270 --> 01:19:27.940 I'm like, no man, this is the best time because consciousness is wanting to 01:19:27.940 --> 01:19:29.620 evolve here and you're a part of it. 01:19:29.660 --> 01:19:33.770 Like any time, once you like kind of look at reality like that, because I 01:19:33.770 --> 01:19:37.390 mentioned about input outputs and then I mentioned about values, there's one more 01:19:37.390 --> 01:19:39.070 I put up there and that's your belief. 01:19:39.080 --> 01:19:44.220 So like, just kind of like generally my belief. 01:19:44.370 --> 01:19:47.600 So what I've learned is that the universe has a tendency towards complexity 01:19:47.790 --> 01:19:49.390 and that we play our role in that. 01:19:49.880 --> 01:19:54.620 I won't pretend to really know what our role is fully, but I do take it on as 01:19:54.620 --> 01:19:58.390 a responsibility to aid the universe. 01:19:58.410 --> 01:20:01.420 Cause, cause humans can create the universe. 01:20:01.500 --> 01:20:05.430 You know, they might say it made this water bottle, but humans form that. 01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:06.240 We formed it. 01:20:06.250 --> 01:20:07.750 We can form like that. 01:20:08.100 --> 01:20:08.630 Now we just. 01:20:08.705 --> 01:20:12.615 Um, when we project from a place of love, we will form differently. 01:20:12.635 --> 01:20:15.355 And when we do that, our minds will expand even more. 01:20:15.695 --> 01:20:16.765 Um, and think about it. 01:20:16.765 --> 01:20:19.055 If we can think on another level, like even 0. 01:20:19.055 --> 01:20:22.435 5 percent more, that's like the difference between humans and chimps. 01:20:22.455 --> 01:20:26.095 We will think on levels that we can't even imagine right now and create 01:20:26.095 --> 01:20:27.605 in ways that we can't even imagine. 01:20:29.095 --> 01:20:34.495 Um, I think when I think of the matrix, like the literal matrix more, I think 01:20:34.535 --> 01:20:40.385 of our systems, I think of the illusion, you know, The Maya, it goes by a lot of 01:20:40.385 --> 01:20:45.515 names, um, that is cast over us and that we're pressed into, and it makes sense. 01:20:45.515 --> 01:20:50.015 Like these are actually old systems, you know, like we've been developing 01:20:50.195 --> 01:20:53.925 monetary systems for a long time and the systems that it works around. 01:20:53.925 --> 01:20:55.795 And it's like, it's high time. 01:20:55.795 --> 01:20:56.885 Like we realized that. 01:20:57.940 --> 01:20:59.860 We're not trying to vilify these things. 01:20:59.860 --> 01:21:02.480 It's just like, it's time for them to grow, you know? 01:21:02.810 --> 01:21:07.470 And in that, yeah, I believe many, many, most of the people on earth are either 01:21:07.630 --> 01:21:12.470 trapped in the matrix, uh, at some level where they're either repressing people 01:21:12.470 --> 01:21:17.220 from growing or repressing themselves or propping up other people, um, in a, in 01:21:17.220 --> 01:21:23.640 a negative light, um, because, um, Well, it's, it's getting more and more obvious. 01:21:23.640 --> 01:21:25.700 That's one of the cool things about technology. 01:21:26.190 --> 01:21:28.020 Uh, but that's also the scary thing. 01:21:28.030 --> 01:21:32.860 Now we've like unleashed AI, the builders of AI have put their human 01:21:32.910 --> 01:21:35.980 essence into it and we've unleashed it in social medias and whatnot. 01:21:35.980 --> 01:21:39.750 And it's like, it doesn't really know it's only going to project 01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:41.250 from that level of consciousness. 01:21:41.360 --> 01:21:45.200 It'll do it in ways that we can't even imagine, but it only ever 01:21:45.200 --> 01:21:46.560 project from that level of conscience. 01:21:46.570 --> 01:21:48.810 That's why we have to be more deliberate with what we're putting in there. 01:21:49.100 --> 01:21:49.800 Otherwise. 01:21:50.510 --> 01:21:56.570 We are literally casting the net more and more physiologically, like physically, 01:21:56.790 --> 01:21:59.870 you know, with satellites and whatnot, we could like trap ourselves here on 01:21:59.870 --> 01:22:02.000 earth literally, which would be crazy. 01:22:02.420 --> 01:22:08.530 Um, but also psychologically we're tightening the net instead of actually 01:22:08.560 --> 01:22:10.140 like letting expansion happen. 01:22:10.760 --> 01:22:16.275 Um, So, yeah, I, I don't really differentiate myself separate from the 01:22:16.275 --> 01:22:20.155 universe, uh, but that's not to say I'm like, I walk around like, Oh, I'm God. 01:22:20.195 --> 01:22:20.855 You know what I mean? 01:22:20.915 --> 01:22:28.165 I'm, I'm, I'm still consciousness in human form, um, but no different really 01:22:28.165 --> 01:22:30.355 than a rock, you know, just, I have. 01:22:30.885 --> 01:22:33.255 Access to higher levels of consciousness. 01:22:33.605 --> 01:22:36.695 I have more feedback loops that I can interact with. 01:22:37.005 --> 01:22:40.335 Therefore, my responsibility is a little higher than the rocks. 01:22:40.555 --> 01:22:43.645 You know, the rock is responsible to hang out with gravity and the wind and 01:22:43.645 --> 01:22:46.975 whatnot, you know, changes and erodes and we have tectonic plates and it does 01:22:46.975 --> 01:22:48.775 shift and it is part of the evolution. 01:22:49.155 --> 01:22:51.205 Um, I just have a little bit bigger part. 01:22:51.535 --> 01:22:53.685 Um, so yeah. 01:22:54.760 --> 01:22:58.420 Travis Bader: So one thing I'm not really doing too well is talking about 01:22:58.440 --> 01:23:03.210 JTF2 and all the clickbait stuff that's going to get everybody to want to, uh, 01:23:03.830 --> 01:23:07.710 to, uh, to click and get it out through YouTube and everything else, because, 01:23:07.710 --> 01:23:10.650 uh, they quickly transitioned the second you said, this is one of my most 01:23:10.650 --> 01:23:12.250 favorite things to talk about the world. 01:23:12.250 --> 01:23:14.100 I'm like, I like to talk about this. 01:23:14.170 --> 01:23:14.990 Let's talk about it. 01:23:15.610 --> 01:23:18.170 Uh, did you want JTF2 a little bit? 01:23:18.940 --> 01:23:19.430 Jeff Depatie: Sure. 01:23:19.440 --> 01:23:19.780 Yeah. 01:23:19.860 --> 01:23:22.290 My, uh, um. 01:23:24.270 --> 01:23:28.600 There was a part of my life where I, I, I was like, ah, I don't really want to 01:23:28.600 --> 01:23:33.330 be around that world, but I can't, I, I, it was an exceptional, exceptional 01:23:33.330 --> 01:23:34.760 learning experience in my life. 01:23:34.790 --> 01:23:37.720 And I got to be around people of a certain caliber. 01:23:37.910 --> 01:23:42.970 Um, I've changed what my values are, so it doesn't align up the same way. 01:23:43.490 --> 01:23:47.340 But, you know, as far as like a profession goes, it's amazing. 01:23:47.350 --> 01:23:50.110 Like you get to see and do things that you just can't believe. 01:23:50.530 --> 01:23:55.225 Um, Like going through selection and those courses taught me so much about 01:23:55.235 --> 01:23:59.435 human conditioning, my own conditioning, taught me so much about myself, even 01:23:59.435 --> 01:24:03.575 though some of the lessons didn't come till years later, um, on the other side. 01:24:04.765 --> 01:24:13.080 Uh, and, you know, as far as what it is as a An op, um, a special forces 01:24:13.080 --> 01:24:14.830 unit, a tier one special forces unit. 01:24:15.100 --> 01:24:17.290 Canadian should feel really quite proud of that. 01:24:17.750 --> 01:24:20.270 You know, I'm not, I don't really love using the word pride because it kind 01:24:20.270 --> 01:24:22.390 of isolates and everything outside. 01:24:22.630 --> 01:24:25.820 But I do feel like if that's what you're looking at, apples 01:24:25.820 --> 01:24:27.160 to apples, it's a great unit. 01:24:27.680 --> 01:24:29.810 It's, you know, it has amazing men and women there. 01:24:30.350 --> 01:24:33.840 Um, and again, like I was saying, the projection of it, I might not agree 01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:39.440 with, but we still do incredible things, you know, pull off incredible missions. 01:24:39.470 --> 01:24:45.660 And, um, yeah, it was, uh, it was something, it was, it was something I'm 01:24:45.660 --> 01:24:49.150 still like, I haven't fully processed what it is, you know, better part of a 01:24:49.150 --> 01:24:55.750 decade and, you know, you see, and you do things and it's, I I'm, I don't know. 01:24:56.665 --> 01:24:58.055 I'm kind of analytical. 01:24:58.055 --> 01:25:00.605 I'm trying to be less analytical when I say analytical. 01:25:00.605 --> 01:25:01.735 I just like to look at things. 01:25:01.735 --> 01:25:03.885 I like to let them move around. 01:25:03.885 --> 01:25:05.745 You know, I use the word contemplation for it. 01:25:05.745 --> 01:25:09.565 I don't like try to categorize or label so much. 01:25:09.565 --> 01:25:11.025 It's just like, what was it to me? 01:25:11.025 --> 01:25:11.845 What did it mean to me? 01:25:11.845 --> 01:25:13.035 How did it lead me here? 01:25:13.495 --> 01:25:17.840 Um, And it gave me some great, great skills. 01:25:17.860 --> 01:25:19.600 You know, we talked about ultra long range. 01:25:19.940 --> 01:25:23.940 Um, I just ran my first in person shooting course, which the guys loved. 01:25:24.340 --> 01:25:27.990 Um, but I, I wouldn't have been able to do any of that, um, without 01:25:28.000 --> 01:25:33.490 that, that education and I'm able to put together two amazing things. 01:25:33.500 --> 01:25:40.000 One, I believe that, uh, I think shooting is being way over vilified right now. 01:25:40.000 --> 01:25:40.880 And I think it's. 01:25:41.565 --> 01:25:42.595 Um, it's like, it's like a sport. 01:25:42.615 --> 01:25:43.855 Let's just look at it like a sport. 01:25:43.865 --> 01:25:47.895 You know, um, I've never seen a gun just get up and kill someone. 01:25:48.365 --> 01:25:51.655 Um, and if we take away guns, people will still kill people and they'll, they'll, 01:25:51.675 --> 01:25:53.345 they'll try to like throw stats around. 01:25:53.365 --> 01:25:54.495 Oh, no, it's not going to happen. 01:25:54.495 --> 01:25:56.755 It's like, it's the underlying consciousness. 01:25:56.755 --> 01:25:57.365 That's the problem. 01:25:57.375 --> 01:25:58.265 It's not the gun. 01:25:59.585 --> 01:26:01.355 Um, I also think that. 01:26:02.220 --> 01:26:04.970 In this world today, there is a lot of cowards. 01:26:05.130 --> 01:26:07.720 There is a lot of scared, scared people. 01:26:07.740 --> 01:26:08.720 I mean, scared. 01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:10.640 They don't really even know how scared they are. 01:26:10.770 --> 01:26:12.320 They can't even, they're so scared. 01:26:12.320 --> 01:26:13.540 They don't even know they're scared. 01:26:13.960 --> 01:26:17.380 You know, they're, they're, they're, they're caught in augmented survival. 01:26:17.380 --> 01:26:22.280 And I think, um, men or women, um, but I'll just use men as an example, knowing 01:26:22.280 --> 01:26:27.770 how to defend themselves if they ever need to, which is probably never, but 01:26:27.830 --> 01:26:30.780 just knowing that you can be strong. 01:26:30.780 --> 01:26:30.830 Yeah. 01:26:31.220 --> 01:26:36.580 And have strength in a moment when needed or called upon, um, is something, 01:26:36.970 --> 01:26:40.650 you know, there's something to be said about that, even if it's, it's a kind 01:26:40.650 --> 01:26:45.590 of like that old kind of like Kung Fu mentality, you know, I learned it, so 01:26:45.590 --> 01:26:47.030 I never need to use it kind of thing. 01:26:47.040 --> 01:26:47.410 Right. 01:26:47.550 --> 01:26:49.600 Um, it's like that, right. 01:26:50.020 --> 01:26:51.630 Um, I also think that. 01:26:52.370 --> 01:26:54.730 Although I don't do it, I, I probably should. 01:26:54.960 --> 01:26:57.860 I think there's something really cool as long as it's managed properly, 01:26:57.860 --> 01:27:00.940 which is getting tougher, um, to go harvest your own meat, you 01:27:00.940 --> 01:27:02.480 know, to have real natural meat. 01:27:02.640 --> 01:27:04.310 Um, I'm a big fan of that. 01:27:04.830 --> 01:27:08.990 And, uh, so none of that would have been possible without like that education 01:27:08.990 --> 01:27:11.060 and what I like to fold into it. 01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:13.230 Is the human dynamics part of it. 01:27:13.470 --> 01:27:18.790 The using it as a vessel to help expand consciousness, to make people more 01:27:18.790 --> 01:27:23.100 aware of themselves, uh, more aware of what's going on inside of them. 01:27:23.240 --> 01:27:26.780 What I call it in the shooting, what I've labeled it an ultra is 01:27:26.860 --> 01:27:28.500 what I call cognitive ballistics. 01:27:29.080 --> 01:27:30.930 So you have terminal ballistics. 01:27:30.940 --> 01:27:32.240 That's what happens at the target. 01:27:32.430 --> 01:27:32.630 You have. 01:27:33.570 --> 01:27:37.700 External, you have transitional rate at the muzzle internal, and then 01:27:37.700 --> 01:27:40.950 you have cognitive ballistics and cognitive ballistics is actually 01:27:40.950 --> 01:27:42.160 the most important part of it. 01:27:43.095 --> 01:27:46.405 Um, because it's the part that assesses everything around it, you know, all the 01:27:46.405 --> 01:27:50.175 environmental, all the atmospherics, what you want to do, what's behind it. 01:27:50.185 --> 01:27:51.225 What's this over here? 01:27:51.225 --> 01:27:52.055 How am I going to be distracted? 01:27:52.055 --> 01:27:52.615 Am I tired? 01:27:52.635 --> 01:27:53.205 How do I check in? 01:27:53.205 --> 01:27:53.805 Am I comfortable? 01:27:53.805 --> 01:27:56.025 Is the shock good that build up like, you know, I mean, there's 01:27:56.025 --> 01:27:59.225 so many different things when you're weighing the math of a shot. 01:27:59.765 --> 01:28:03.225 Um, but also below that shot sits a lot of things. 01:28:03.695 --> 01:28:07.805 Um, and you can see it in like PRS style shooting where, you 01:28:07.805 --> 01:28:09.215 know, you let stress creep in. 01:28:09.860 --> 01:28:12.250 You know, we see this in sports, that's where they manage stress. 01:28:12.250 --> 01:28:16.560 So it's such an important thing because it's, it's a filter, it's 01:28:16.560 --> 01:28:20.130 an unconscious filter to the sensory input that you're getting and the 01:28:20.490 --> 01:28:24.770 less clogged that filter is, uh, the better it can absorb its environment. 01:28:25.300 --> 01:28:29.280 Um, if you wanted to ask me anything in particular, because I don't really know 01:28:29.280 --> 01:28:30.360 where to go when it comes to the unit. 01:28:31.065 --> 01:28:33.465 Travis Bader: It's interesting to talk about cognitive ballistics, 01:28:33.575 --> 01:28:37.815 um, did a couple parts series with, was it six time or seven time 01:28:37.825 --> 01:28:39.535 national service rifle champion. 01:28:39.565 --> 01:28:46.425 Sorry, Ryan, if I got that one wrong, um, Ryan Stacey, and he attributes his 01:28:46.425 --> 01:28:49.495 success to mental marksmanship and. 01:28:51.130 --> 01:28:54.580 The, the process essentially, it sounds similar to the cognitive 01:28:54.580 --> 01:28:57.910 ballistics, but the, the mental process behind every single shot and 01:28:57.910 --> 01:29:00.200 each shot should be subconscious. 01:29:00.380 --> 01:29:04.840 And, uh, it's proven quite effective for him prior to service rifle or 01:29:04.860 --> 01:29:09.450 politics, making that, uh, unattainable for anyone outside of the military now. 01:29:10.240 --> 01:29:12.810 Um, interesting. 01:29:12.810 --> 01:29:15.380 I think there's a whole thing that can be talked on that, 01:29:15.720 --> 01:29:18.530 but specifically to, uh, JTF2. 01:29:19.060 --> 01:29:19.640 Um. 01:29:20.480 --> 01:29:27.790 Right now, the longest distance, uh, record kill is what, three, 01:29:28.150 --> 01:29:29.269 three and a half kilometers, 3. 01:29:29.270 --> 01:29:30.640 44 kilometers. 01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:34.020 I think it was around there, uh, attributed to an unnamed soldier. 01:29:34.590 --> 01:29:36.200 I don't know if that soldier was ever named. 01:29:37.420 --> 01:29:38.330 Was that soldier ever named? 01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:41.980 No, no, but I think you were present around at that time 01:29:42.150 --> 01:29:45.060 when, um, when it happened. 01:29:45.060 --> 01:29:45.250 Yeah, 01:29:45.290 --> 01:29:46.640 Jeff Depatie: I, I, I was in the unit. 01:29:46.640 --> 01:29:47.010 Yes. 01:29:47.030 --> 01:29:47.370 Yep. 01:29:47.740 --> 01:29:48.010 Yeah. 01:29:48.530 --> 01:29:52.045 Um, Yeah, anything in particular you want to ask, or? 01:29:52.325 --> 01:29:53.795 Travis Bader: Yeah, um... 01:29:54.390 --> 01:29:58.700 What, um, I think I saw a video footage of that one, because 01:29:59.280 --> 01:30:00.360 that one was caught on video. 01:30:00.360 --> 01:30:00.820 Wasn't it? 01:30:01.780 --> 01:30:03.895 I think it was, unless it 01:30:03.895 --> 01:30:04.790 Jeff Depatie: was a fake YouTube thing. 01:30:05.420 --> 01:30:05.930 No, no. 01:30:05.950 --> 01:30:09.070 What I would like to do is I'd just like to back up to just one thing, 01:30:09.070 --> 01:30:12.360 just to like put a cap or cross the Ts on the last conversation. 01:30:12.710 --> 01:30:16.300 You mentioned, uh, subconscious like drills. 01:30:16.370 --> 01:30:19.020 You were saying that everything should be subconscious in the shot. 01:30:19.470 --> 01:30:21.010 There's parts that, yes. 01:30:21.140 --> 01:30:21.700 So. 01:30:23.045 --> 01:30:24.125 You build the shot, right? 01:30:24.315 --> 01:30:27.915 And ideally, you know, you put the shot in a vice and everything's 01:30:27.915 --> 01:30:29.355 the same over and over and over. 01:30:29.355 --> 01:30:31.745 So the, the gun, the action never moves. 01:30:31.745 --> 01:30:34.905 It's the same bullet all the way down to the atomic level, always 01:30:34.905 --> 01:30:40.305 the same exact atomic powder loads, and then no atmospherics, right? 01:30:40.345 --> 01:30:44.295 But then we add in atmospherics, we add in a different target, 01:30:44.315 --> 01:30:45.635 we add in different distances. 01:30:45.635 --> 01:30:48.485 We add in the gun is not in the same position, right? 01:30:48.485 --> 01:30:51.015 So you're constantly calibrating those. 01:30:51.165 --> 01:30:51.645 So it's. 01:30:52.130 --> 01:30:56.110 Uh, in the unit, we worked with something called principles versus drills. 01:30:56.140 --> 01:30:59.120 So you try to drill and skill everything, but then if you keep it a 01:30:59.120 --> 01:31:01.750 principle, you remains more flexible. 01:31:02.190 --> 01:31:05.130 Um, it filters through your mind a little bit differently. 01:31:05.910 --> 01:31:08.510 Um, so I, I agree with the statement, but just like we talked 01:31:08.510 --> 01:31:10.440 about, usually, uh, it's a yes. 01:31:10.440 --> 01:31:15.550 And now to go to this shot, the reason I wanted to put a cap on that is in order to 01:31:15.550 --> 01:31:17.720 start making these kinds of distant shots. 01:31:18.200 --> 01:31:20.830 Um, they're not going to be the same every time you can imagine 01:31:20.850 --> 01:31:22.900 over 10 seconds of flight time. 01:31:23.460 --> 01:31:26.660 That bullet is going through multiple wins. 01:31:28.830 --> 01:31:32.540 Depending on like, which way you're facing the target, like if it's east, west, 01:31:32.560 --> 01:31:36.170 like the target's actually moving, the speed of the earth is rotating so fast 01:31:36.330 --> 01:31:37.620 that you're like curving it that way. 01:31:37.870 --> 01:31:41.030 So not only is there one arc you got to deal with, there's a second 01:31:41.040 --> 01:31:44.300 arc and then there's spin on the bullet, which puts in another arc 01:31:44.300 --> 01:31:45.270 that you got to compensate for. 01:31:45.270 --> 01:31:49.230 So there's all these arcs that you got to compensate for that are changing, right. 01:31:49.230 --> 01:31:51.240 And different, different throughout the whole flight. 01:31:52.110 --> 01:31:54.010 Um, I was in the unit at the time. 01:31:54.040 --> 01:31:55.350 Uh, I didn't do that shot. 01:31:55.850 --> 01:31:58.670 Um, I w I was in the sniper troop. 01:31:58.730 --> 01:31:59.620 Uh, I did see it. 01:31:59.620 --> 01:32:04.520 There is videos of course, which is crazy because normally there isn't videos. 01:32:04.890 --> 01:32:08.360 So it was just like amazing happenstance that the recce team that 01:32:08.360 --> 01:32:10.360 was there captured the shot as well. 01:32:10.740 --> 01:32:15.010 Um, there is another fantastic shot that's made mate that was made that day too. 01:32:15.290 --> 01:32:17.830 Um, but it hasn't been released and I won't go into that. 01:32:18.390 --> 01:32:20.000 Um, I'm sure. 01:32:21.240 --> 01:32:23.630 Uh, someday the person will be named. 01:32:24.040 --> 01:32:28.660 Um, I do know that there's a couple of technicalities around that, if you will. 01:32:28.970 --> 01:32:35.460 Um, but either way, I think, um, it's a testament to how amazing JTF2 sniper 01:32:35.460 --> 01:32:37.380 program is second to none in the world. 01:32:38.130 --> 01:32:40.620 Um, and that's like, that's just fact. 01:32:40.945 --> 01:32:45.795 It is the gold standard when it comes to putting a bullet long range, it's 01:32:45.795 --> 01:32:47.315 no better anywhere else in the world. 01:32:47.765 --> 01:32:53.805 And I think that that shot might be the longest shot ever in history for 01:32:53.805 --> 01:32:56.115 a projectile fired from a shoulder. 01:32:56.545 --> 01:32:56.975 Really? 01:32:56.995 --> 01:32:57.445 Um, 01:32:58.145 --> 01:33:00.325 Travis Bader: just everything lined up just so well, right 01:33:00.405 --> 01:33:00.625 Jeff Depatie: then. 01:33:01.265 --> 01:33:05.885 So it's with a 50 cal, okay. 01:33:05.885 --> 01:33:06.635 Is the first thing. 01:33:07.665 --> 01:33:10.395 You know, we're starting again, some rounds that are like a 0. 01:33:10.475 --> 01:33:12.645 375 enabler round and stuff like that. 01:33:12.645 --> 01:33:15.705 It's not quite as like big or punchy as a 50 Cal, but our 01:33:15.705 --> 01:33:17.145 shoulder can only take so much. 01:33:17.595 --> 01:33:17.955 Right. 01:33:18.415 --> 01:33:24.035 So now we might be able to build guns that are kind of mounted that can shoot 01:33:24.035 --> 01:33:28.585 farther, but from the shoulder, we're starting to run out of how far we can 01:33:28.585 --> 01:33:30.175 flick a bullet through time and space. 01:33:31.065 --> 01:33:39.305 So there's that, uh, two, when it comes to like, you know, Like in this case, 01:33:39.305 --> 01:33:44.135 shooting a human being, there are so many factors that have to line up. 01:33:44.165 --> 01:33:46.845 That person has to be in that situation. 01:33:47.355 --> 01:33:47.835 You know what I mean? 01:33:47.835 --> 01:33:51.615 And like, just think about how much people move around, you know, like, 01:33:52.770 --> 01:33:56.240 Like just, just movement of people in general to be in that one space. 01:33:56.680 --> 01:34:00.610 Um, so not only does the sniper have to be in that position, but the person has 01:34:00.610 --> 01:34:05.360 to be in that position, you know, like if you think about hunting, very not, 01:34:05.410 --> 01:34:08.730 you know, you can put out a salt lick for a deer, you can bait a beer, a bear 01:34:08.730 --> 01:34:13.450 and that's bait a beer and that's, uh, maybe have a beer with, um, you know, you 01:34:13.450 --> 01:34:16.070 kind of, you're controlling that and then you might be in a blind or something. 01:34:16.070 --> 01:34:17.600 So you're controlling those two things. 01:34:18.810 --> 01:34:20.160 Um, but with people. 01:34:20.585 --> 01:34:23.255 It's a little trickier, you know, especially when you're nice is you 01:34:23.255 --> 01:34:25.265 can't just put out a, a salt lick. 01:34:25.335 --> 01:34:31.465 Um, so to have that just set up just literally that time and space, that 01:34:31.465 --> 01:34:35.855 person and that target in that space, let alone that kind of distance. 01:34:36.665 --> 01:34:46.645 And then the, the amount of skill it takes to make that shot, you know, now 01:34:46.645 --> 01:34:48.925 we're starting to get, when you look at. 01:34:50.425 --> 01:34:54.715 The adjustment in mills, or, well, we will use mills instead of MOA. 01:34:54.715 --> 01:34:54.925 Sure. 01:34:55.165 --> 01:34:56.215 Like it's massive. 01:34:56.635 --> 01:34:56.815 Mm-Hmm. 01:34:57.085 --> 01:35:00.625 feet become almost full mills of adjustment at that distance. 01:35:00.630 --> 01:35:00.715 Mm-Hmm. 01:35:01.045 --> 01:35:07.675 like the arc is so high, you know, um, that optics start to 01:35:07.675 --> 01:35:10.375 run out even though we have like periscopes and stuff like that. 01:35:10.375 --> 01:35:12.145 And we've got some pretty big powerful things. 01:35:12.595 --> 01:35:14.570 Um, optics are starting to get. 01:35:16.120 --> 01:35:20.750 They won't be the limiting factor compared to other things, but they're starting 01:35:20.750 --> 01:35:22.560 to get pushed to their limits as well. 01:35:22.560 --> 01:35:23.160 You know what I mean? 01:35:23.160 --> 01:35:28.760 Like again, now we might build this big machine mounted gun with like a telescope 01:35:28.760 --> 01:35:33.840 on top and whatnot, but it's like, is this a completely different beast now? 01:35:33.870 --> 01:35:36.540 You know, where you fire it by a button instead of a trigger. 01:35:37.020 --> 01:35:43.655 Um, So as far as like a man or woman, uh, making like a record kill, I just don't 01:35:43.655 --> 01:35:48.365 see it being broken and then let alone, it'll never be on video like that again. 01:35:48.375 --> 01:35:52.175 Like the, just like the stars to align like that, um, it's 01:35:52.185 --> 01:35:54.005 pretty, pretty, pretty insane. 01:35:55.265 --> 01:35:56.085 Travis Bader: 10 seconds. 01:35:56.145 --> 01:36:01.955 Like, if I think about that, let me look at my watch one, 1000, two, 1000, three, 01:36:01.955 --> 01:36:07.225 1000, four, 1000, five, six, seven. 01:36:07.980 --> 01:36:11.100 Eight, nine, and there it is. 01:36:11.650 --> 01:36:14.940 And if people listening here are like, Oh my God, why does he count in 10 seconds? 01:36:14.940 --> 01:36:15.910 Get on with the next point. 01:36:16.100 --> 01:36:17.560 That's a long time. 01:36:17.820 --> 01:36:19.530 People think, Oh, it's just a couple of seconds. 01:36:19.860 --> 01:36:21.640 10 seconds is a long time. 01:36:22.130 --> 01:36:22.640 Jeff Depatie: Yeah. 01:36:22.640 --> 01:36:26.340 Like, so like your target can't move in that, you know, like there's 01:36:26.340 --> 01:36:27.960 just like all kinds of factors. 01:36:27.960 --> 01:36:31.700 It's, it's pretty like, I don't want to like make shooting 01:36:31.700 --> 01:36:32.840 another human a miracle. 01:36:32.850 --> 01:36:35.300 It was an ISIS dude and they're about as bad as it gets. 01:36:35.320 --> 01:36:38.180 Um, but it's like, kind of like a miracle, you know? 01:36:38.700 --> 01:36:40.370 Travis Bader: Mm hmm. 01:36:40.370 --> 01:36:46.200 I've got a, uh, a couple of questions here from, uh, Silvercore club members. 01:36:46.900 --> 01:36:50.920 What was the most challenging moral dilemma you faced during your time? 01:36:51.505 --> 01:36:54.205 With the joint task force and how did you navigate it? 01:36:57.075 --> 01:36:57.645 Jeff Depatie: Hmm. 01:36:59.385 --> 01:37:05.235 In JTF two, I don't feel, to be honest with you, I don't feel like I 01:37:05.235 --> 01:37:09.645 was put in a position of deep moral dilemma, uh, in the regular Army I was. 01:37:09.650 --> 01:37:14.205 But in JTF two, I didn't ever feel in deep moral dilemma, except when it came 01:37:14.205 --> 01:37:19.305 to the part where I started to, my values started to change compared to the units. 01:37:19.305 --> 01:37:19.395 Hmm. 01:37:20.055 --> 01:37:20.565 Um. 01:37:21.580 --> 01:37:24.690 Where I had to realize, okay, my don't align with that. 01:37:24.720 --> 01:37:28.930 If I am put into certain situations, my morals might not line up, but I, 01:37:29.150 --> 01:37:30.640 that's when I was exiting the unit. 01:37:30.640 --> 01:37:32.160 So that wasn't an issue. 01:37:32.460 --> 01:37:36.780 Um, by and large, I say this with a hand on my heart, uh, most 01:37:37.060 --> 01:37:39.310 Canadian men and women in uniform. 01:37:40.040 --> 01:37:43.570 Um, you know, we've had people mess up for, for certain. 01:37:46.975 --> 01:37:48.345 When I think about ethics, and I'll use the word ethics 01:37:48.345 --> 01:37:50.955 is kind of like morals land. 01:37:52.905 --> 01:37:56.455 And we call these laws and rules and rules of engagement and all kinds of things. 01:37:56.815 --> 01:37:57.915 And that's, that's what I'll call that. 01:37:59.175 --> 01:38:03.805 Um, In the unit, I didn't feel like my morals had to diverge from that. 01:38:05.435 --> 01:38:07.835 Um, I don't think ever really. 01:38:07.835 --> 01:38:08.605 I think there was. 01:38:09.515 --> 01:38:12.885 There was like some smaller moments, but nothing where I felt like, 01:38:12.885 --> 01:38:14.265 Oh, I'm sacrificing something. 01:38:14.265 --> 01:38:17.995 I'm about to do something, um, that I don't want to do. 01:38:19.195 --> 01:38:20.515 Canada is pretty good about that. 01:38:20.755 --> 01:38:25.845 We're, we're, we're a modern military, you know, with volunteers. 01:38:25.845 --> 01:38:28.635 And I, I just don't think they need to do that. 01:38:28.805 --> 01:38:32.435 There was stuff and it's not my place to speak about it because 01:38:32.435 --> 01:38:33.755 it's a little bit of dirty laundry. 01:38:34.205 --> 01:38:35.935 Um, and I do appreciate the question. 01:38:36.475 --> 01:38:38.085 Um, cause I think. 01:38:38.545 --> 01:38:42.185 A lot of people now more than ever are kind of looking at the military 01:38:42.185 --> 01:38:45.175 and being like, I don't know if I line up with that because we're starting 01:38:45.175 --> 01:38:46.555 to see the bigger picture, right? 01:38:47.315 --> 01:38:51.115 We're starting to see that these might destabilize things. 01:38:51.115 --> 01:38:54.075 I get that a lot from the young guys where, you know, they're worried 01:38:54.075 --> 01:38:56.885 about giving up time with family and all these smaller things. 01:38:57.085 --> 01:38:59.505 Those are actually moral dilemmas because they're like, oh, I love 01:38:59.505 --> 01:39:00.595 this, but I have to give this up. 01:39:00.595 --> 01:39:01.805 I love this and I have to get this up. 01:39:02.255 --> 01:39:05.855 Um, so they start weighing out the compromises, but not in the unit. 01:39:05.855 --> 01:39:06.565 I never. 01:39:09.770 --> 01:39:15.750 It's a, it's a testament to, um, it's ethos and what it believes in. 01:39:17.830 --> 01:39:20.910 Travis Bader: Another one in a might align with the other one, last question. 01:39:20.920 --> 01:39:23.880 Can you describe a specific mission or operation that fundamentally 01:39:23.890 --> 01:39:26.760 changed your understanding of warfare and its consequences? 01:39:28.510 --> 01:39:35.800 Jeff Depatie: Um, uh, every deployment changes your perspective of warfare. 01:39:38.075 --> 01:39:38.675 Um, 01:39:41.985 --> 01:39:48.465 I think being deployed in Iraq really was a bit of a, here's the thing, 01:39:51.715 --> 01:39:54.505 I've mentioned being on the pointy end of the spear that I didn't want to be on. 01:39:54.915 --> 01:39:59.605 And that it became very obvious, very quickly, the cloak and 01:39:59.605 --> 01:40:01.035 dagger of why we are there. 01:40:01.495 --> 01:40:04.865 And this isn't like so much at the unit level, cause the unit is the unit 01:40:05.105 --> 01:40:06.695 and it's employed by the government. 01:40:07.265 --> 01:40:15.455 You know, but it became very obvious that we were, what the bigger purpose 01:40:15.455 --> 01:40:19.515 we served was the very first things that were secured were oil fields, you 01:40:19.515 --> 01:40:21.115 know, it was less about human lives. 01:40:21.405 --> 01:40:23.635 Now we try to do our best with both. 01:40:24.165 --> 01:40:29.620 Um, But those, those, instead of like us actually in the world, trying to 01:40:29.620 --> 01:40:33.370 resolve the underlying nature of why we're doing these things, how we go 01:40:33.370 --> 01:40:37.410 and we do these things, um, so that, that was, that was tricky, but I could 01:40:37.410 --> 01:40:42.800 say that about any deployment anywhere where, you know, you sometimes get, you 01:40:42.800 --> 01:40:44.700 have to make the best of what you got. 01:40:45.230 --> 01:40:48.420 And then hope that there's some kind of benefit. 01:40:48.420 --> 01:40:50.900 But that's, that's why I said, that's why I left the military, because I 01:40:50.910 --> 01:40:55.310 felt like overall I was being more, I was bringing more fear into the world, 01:40:55.310 --> 01:41:00.930 more destabilization, um, as opposed to actually adjusting the issues below this. 01:41:01.400 --> 01:41:06.040 Um, and then there's a part of me, to be honest with you, Trav, I'm, I'm just 01:41:06.040 --> 01:41:07.900 not going to air out any dirty laundry. 01:41:08.260 --> 01:41:12.260 Um, there's certain stories that aren't mine to tell, and they're so, they're, 01:41:12.290 --> 01:41:14.110 they're what we call context heavy. 01:41:15.720 --> 01:41:20.450 If you don't actually know the context, like it could seem like, you know, there 01:41:20.450 --> 01:41:24.750 was a guy, he, uh, when I was in the regular army, very early on, uh, first 01:41:24.750 --> 01:41:33.820 appointment, um, he shot a kid, you know, and by the rules, he could light that 01:41:33.820 --> 01:41:40.520 kid up all day by the rules, but then he shot a kid, you know what I mean? 01:41:40.520 --> 01:41:44.240 Like a lot of people don't know that, uh, One, the context of the, that's 01:41:44.250 --> 01:41:46.650 kind of situation to put someone in a position where they're going to have 01:41:46.650 --> 01:41:52.690 to shoot a kid, let alone the weight of now knowing I just shot a kid, you know, 01:41:52.700 --> 01:41:55.290 cause, and again, he was fully justified. 01:41:55.290 --> 01:42:02.100 All the signs pointed to yes, but it was like, the situation is so context 01:42:02.100 --> 01:42:05.180 heavy that, you know, we would have to have like a whole episode around 01:42:05.180 --> 01:42:08.580 something to really get to the root of, of some of these questions. 01:42:08.580 --> 01:42:09.470 I think they're great questions. 01:42:09.470 --> 01:42:14.285 I just, um, And it's his story, that one. 01:42:14.565 --> 01:42:15.365 And it's his story. 01:42:15.365 --> 01:42:16.305 Yeah, exactly. 01:42:16.315 --> 01:42:16.605 Yeah. 01:42:16.885 --> 01:42:17.755 Travis Bader: Here's an easier one. 01:42:17.795 --> 01:42:19.265 What are those tattoos on your right arm? 01:42:20.255 --> 01:42:22.675 Jeff Depatie: My right arm, like this one here. 01:42:23.255 --> 01:42:23.815 There you go. 01:42:24.745 --> 01:42:25.035 Yeah. 01:42:25.035 --> 01:42:30.675 So I have, those are ruins, a combination of German and Norma. 01:42:30.715 --> 01:42:35.145 They're more like hieroglyphs, uh, as opposed to what we'd call letters, uh, 01:42:35.145 --> 01:42:36.745 and they're all different forms of love. 01:42:37.530 --> 01:42:41.180 Um, I said this very early on the greatest warriors in the world will 01:42:41.180 --> 01:42:44.430 bring more love into the world because it's the hardest thing to do right now. 01:42:45.010 --> 01:42:49.260 Um, and it kind of goes from like simple, like a man, how a man would love 01:42:49.260 --> 01:42:53.510 a man, but like, think like a, like a brother, a father and a son, not like 01:42:53.520 --> 01:42:58.920 so much, not sexual orientation all the way up through like companionship or 01:42:58.950 --> 01:43:04.720 warriorship or love of the home, love of what we call eternal love, which is like. 01:43:06.070 --> 01:43:07.200 Love of the universe, right? 01:43:07.200 --> 01:43:11.920 The, the blanket that is kind of God or, you know, the nature has 01:43:11.920 --> 01:43:16.550 for us, um, on this arm, I have what are called gene keys and that's 01:43:16.550 --> 01:43:22.260 my, um, the image for my business, which is the SFE, uh, which stands 01:43:22.260 --> 01:43:23.870 for self transcendence for everyone. 01:43:24.290 --> 01:43:26.890 Um, and these are a representation of myself. 01:43:27.545 --> 01:43:31.165 Um, I won't take off my shirt and show you the last one, but I have to 01:43:31.165 --> 01:43:32.875 mention it because I, I just got it. 01:43:33.115 --> 01:43:38.255 Uh, it's up on my bicep, but it, uh, it's, it's, uh, it's a kind of in a 01:43:38.255 --> 01:43:40.345 tribal form, but it says respect love. 01:43:41.375 --> 01:43:46.285 Um, and I think most people don't know how to really respect love right now. 01:43:46.785 --> 01:43:51.265 Uh, and it's a, it's a, it's almost an urgency to me because I want to 01:43:51.265 --> 01:43:52.925 be around people who understand. 01:43:53.260 --> 01:43:54.280 What it means more. 01:43:54.320 --> 01:43:57.890 And I think more people than ever really want to, they want to feel love. 01:43:58.360 --> 01:44:00.010 Um, and we disrespect it all the time. 01:44:00.030 --> 01:44:02.620 We shove it aside because I'm too busy or whatnot. 01:44:03.050 --> 01:44:09.700 Um, and like I said, I lost my love and I lost it because I didn't 01:44:09.710 --> 01:44:10.730 really know how to respect it. 01:44:10.730 --> 01:44:12.310 Now there's all kinds of factors in that. 01:44:12.655 --> 01:44:14.785 But at the end of the day, you know, I'm the one running this 01:44:14.785 --> 01:44:16.795 meat suit and I didn't respect it. 01:44:16.795 --> 01:44:23.015 And, um, yeah, uh, this one here, the one that was asked about on my right arm, um, 01:44:23.055 --> 01:44:27.595 that was after a plant medicine ceremony in Costa Rica, where it was like, it just 01:44:28.895 --> 01:44:31.545 the obviousness of how connected we are. 01:44:31.815 --> 01:44:35.805 Um, and how important is the, this word is four letter word that kind 01:44:35.805 --> 01:44:37.575 of encompasses so much is to me. 01:44:38.025 --> 01:44:39.615 Um, yeah. 01:44:39.615 --> 01:44:40.495 So thanks for asking. 01:44:42.505 --> 01:44:48.025 Travis Bader: Now you talked about Jess previously as being a force multiplier. 01:44:48.135 --> 01:44:49.195 And I love that term. 01:44:49.815 --> 01:44:57.665 Um, one of the questions that came up was what do you feel are important 01:44:57.665 --> 01:44:59.965 attributes to a successful marriage? 01:45:01.035 --> 01:45:02.325 Jeff Depatie: Successful marriage. 01:45:04.895 --> 01:45:05.285 Okay. 01:45:05.295 --> 01:45:07.855 A lot of people will use this word, honesty. 01:45:07.855 --> 01:45:07.879 Yeah. 01:45:08.310 --> 01:45:08.700 Right? 01:45:08.710 --> 01:45:09.730 It's almost like a no brainer. 01:45:09.730 --> 01:45:13.090 Be honest in your relationship, but there's a secret. 01:45:14.090 --> 01:45:17.980 Most people are dishonest and it's not because they're trying to be dishonest. 01:45:17.980 --> 01:45:20.320 It's because they don't fully know themselves. 01:45:20.730 --> 01:45:24.060 And so we get locked in a pattern in our relationship where we feel very 01:45:24.090 --> 01:45:26.690 comfortable and we cease developing. 01:45:26.760 --> 01:45:29.790 A lot of people, they'll get like kind of together with their 01:45:29.790 --> 01:45:31.110 partner and they don't really grow. 01:45:31.110 --> 01:45:31.480 They might. 01:45:31.815 --> 01:45:36.605 Accumulate some material things, material, you know, a new house, new cars and stuff. 01:45:36.605 --> 01:45:40.635 And yeah, they'll put their kids in sports and whatnot, but their own individual 01:45:40.635 --> 01:45:42.805 growth doesn't really continue to happen. 01:45:42.975 --> 01:45:45.575 And part of that is going back in time and understanding 01:45:45.575 --> 01:45:46.705 where you're projecting from. 01:45:48.465 --> 01:45:52.545 The more you can understand that, the more honest you can show up in a relationship. 01:45:52.545 --> 01:45:57.665 And I don't mean, like I said, hiding truths or half secrets, it's just really. 01:45:58.000 --> 01:45:59.370 Being your authentic self. 01:45:59.450 --> 01:46:01.550 And, um, I think that's huge. 01:46:01.590 --> 01:46:06.200 So I think really being honest with yourself, um, as a start point 01:46:07.230 --> 01:46:11.390 and then accepting that, you know, that that'll go both ways, right? 01:46:11.410 --> 01:46:12.170 That'll come up. 01:46:12.180 --> 01:46:13.750 We'll be challenged in our relationship. 01:46:14.330 --> 01:46:21.880 Um, I think if you are in a relationship, um, every now and then you should 01:46:21.910 --> 01:46:25.285 take Almost like a break, if you will. 01:46:25.595 --> 01:46:29.955 So we get so locked in that pattern that we don't step aside from it. 01:46:30.015 --> 01:46:35.165 And, um, Um, we might not be showing up as the man or the woman that we want 01:46:35.175 --> 01:46:37.445 to, or that our partner wants us to. 01:46:37.445 --> 01:46:39.875 And I don't mean like nitpicky, like that kind of show up. 01:46:40.155 --> 01:46:44.095 I just mean like showing up as that best version of yourself. 01:46:44.095 --> 01:46:46.745 And you can do that when you separate a little bit for, it 01:46:46.745 --> 01:46:49.525 doesn't have to be long, but like an authentic separation for a bit. 01:46:49.965 --> 01:46:53.465 Um, like a sabbatical almost, you can start to see these 01:46:53.475 --> 01:46:55.325 things play out and you're like, you get a little bit of space. 01:46:55.335 --> 01:46:56.505 So I think that's important. 01:46:57.935 --> 01:47:05.630 Um, I think if you do have love, Like I said, respect it, honor that love. 01:47:06.510 --> 01:47:07.910 Don't put it in a jar. 01:47:09.245 --> 01:47:10.995 Nothing, you can't contain it. 01:47:11.005 --> 01:47:12.735 Don't try to contain your partner. 01:47:12.785 --> 01:47:16.605 That's one of the things we, you know, provide, provide, preside, protect all 01:47:16.605 --> 01:47:21.905 that kind of perimeter, you know, that man stuff, the way we try to do it is box. 01:47:21.935 --> 01:47:23.655 We try to put security like that. 01:47:23.675 --> 01:47:26.475 What really is wanted is psychological security. 01:47:26.985 --> 01:47:30.895 Um, I'm going to assume this is a man asking so that our feminine partner 01:47:30.895 --> 01:47:33.365 can express her full divine feminine. 01:47:33.600 --> 01:47:36.910 So she can fully be a woman and then you can fully be a man. 01:47:36.910 --> 01:47:38.190 And those energies play well together. 01:47:38.190 --> 01:47:40.620 Now it doesn't mean we don't transfer them back and forth a little bit. 01:47:41.130 --> 01:47:46.770 Um, but when she can do that, that's where real magic can come from. 01:47:47.140 --> 01:47:53.110 Cause like, even if we think about like women's smiling, I mean, really smiling 01:47:53.110 --> 01:47:54.880 and being happy that our authentic self. 01:47:54.880 --> 01:47:58.850 Cause I think women are the most magical, like not just as a dude, I 01:47:58.850 --> 01:48:02.370 think like as the epitome of creation in the universe, like here is. 01:48:03.045 --> 01:48:04.985 Something that can create life. 01:48:05.185 --> 01:48:06.705 They're so in tune with their world. 01:48:07.015 --> 01:48:12.175 Um, but if we think of women smiling, um, and then we think when they don't, 01:48:12.205 --> 01:48:16.565 so like you can be in a war torn country and kids can play, kids will play, but 01:48:16.565 --> 01:48:18.875 if our women are actually really happy. 01:48:19.190 --> 01:48:23.270 And I, I mean, joy filled, they have peace, they're stable, you 01:48:23.270 --> 01:48:26.690 know, they're psychologically and physiologically provided for. 01:48:26.690 --> 01:48:28.950 And again, that's not like a full man's responsibility. 01:48:29.370 --> 01:48:34.850 Um, but if you can create that kind of container, like a, it's 01:48:34.850 --> 01:48:37.140 almost like a non existent, it doesn't actually have perimeters. 01:48:37.140 --> 01:48:39.630 It's designed to keep growing with the relationship. 01:48:39.880 --> 01:48:43.340 If you can do that, provide psychological safety for a woman. 01:48:43.860 --> 01:48:47.330 Um, This is from the man's perspective and the same thing, 01:48:47.350 --> 01:48:50.010 you know, like the woman has to do the same for the man in other ways. 01:48:50.420 --> 01:48:55.680 Um, I think that's, that's a great recipe for a successful relationship. 01:48:56.750 --> 01:48:57.250 It's really well 01:48:57.250 --> 01:48:57.650 Travis Bader: put. 01:49:01.260 --> 01:49:04.650 How have your experiences in the joint task force affected your personal growth 01:49:04.650 --> 01:49:08.860 and resilience and what coping mechanisms have you found effective in dealing with 01:49:08.860 --> 01:49:13.190 emotional aftermath of military service? 01:49:14.290 --> 01:49:14.620 Jeff Depatie: Okay. 01:49:15.520 --> 01:49:21.940 Um, well, you know, I kind of alluded to it before, right? 01:49:21.940 --> 01:49:22.420 I said, Mm-Hmm. 01:49:22.660 --> 01:49:27.700 . If we look at resilience as your ability to stay conscious in adversity and not 01:49:27.705 --> 01:49:32.050 collapse down, and not allow fear to take over, um, the unit's very good at that. 01:49:32.110 --> 01:49:32.710 That's one thing. 01:49:32.710 --> 01:49:33.670 They're very good at teaching. 01:49:34.060 --> 01:49:39.460 Now, what they do though, is they do that through exposure and these 01:49:39.460 --> 01:49:41.710 exposures start to snuff out. 01:49:42.380 --> 01:49:46.980 Other feelings and emotions, um, mainly fear, but like, if we think 01:49:46.980 --> 01:49:49.600 of it as a bank of it, um, it starts to snuff that out, right? 01:49:49.610 --> 01:49:56.590 Like, um, you learn to do X, you snuff out these emotions that 01:49:56.590 --> 01:49:58.230 sit below it in order to do that. 01:49:58.950 --> 01:50:04.410 Now that starts to give the illusion of resiliency in that set of parameters. 01:50:04.880 --> 01:50:07.220 What it does though, is it starts to shut off. 01:50:08.105 --> 01:50:11.525 resiliency in other places and other environments, because you've started to 01:50:11.525 --> 01:50:14.015 collapse down what you have access to. 01:50:14.365 --> 01:50:16.365 This is called coping mechanisms. 01:50:16.765 --> 01:50:19.465 Um, and some of them are good and some of them aren't. 01:50:20.105 --> 01:50:24.775 Uh, most coping mechanisms we have are very avoidant, um, in the 01:50:24.785 --> 01:50:27.175 military we have one called drinking. 01:50:27.235 --> 01:50:30.805 I don't know if you've heard of it, um, but these are very short 01:50:30.805 --> 01:50:34.685 term coping mechanisms that will not address longterm problems. 01:50:35.145 --> 01:50:40.345 Uh, You know, a few years before I left, they did start bringing 01:50:40.345 --> 01:50:44.175 in psychologists, um, for kind of just what we'll call talk therapy. 01:50:45.045 --> 01:50:51.815 The problem is, is the nature of the beast closes down people and on a time scale. 01:50:52.435 --> 01:50:53.435 It's, it's not accurate. 01:50:53.435 --> 01:50:57.705 So what happens is you spend years becoming an operator and closing down 01:50:58.565 --> 01:51:03.235 and it's actually frowned upon to be vulnerable, you know, to, to think 01:51:03.695 --> 01:51:06.255 something like feel scared example. 01:51:07.135 --> 01:51:10.355 Um, it came up for me a little while ago. 01:51:10.355 --> 01:51:11.975 I didn't, I didn't think about it. 01:51:12.365 --> 01:51:17.375 And then I kind of came to me and, uh, and then I felt this like rush of. 01:51:18.510 --> 01:51:23.120 Pure fear, but I didn't really, I couldn't understand it at the moment, but, uh, 01:51:23.130 --> 01:51:27.470 I was overseas, I was in a gunfight, head was over a wall and then I ducked 01:51:27.470 --> 01:51:30.710 down and then a green tracer round came right above my head, like right here. 01:51:31.740 --> 01:51:35.160 But I looked over at the guy beside me and he had this look of terror, 01:51:36.030 --> 01:51:39.480 the look of terror that you'd give if you just about saw your buddy get his. 01:51:40.490 --> 01:51:44.700 Face opened up by a bullet at the time we kind of laughed it off or 01:51:44.700 --> 01:51:46.280 reloaded and we got back into gunfight. 01:51:46.330 --> 01:51:50.500 Cause that's just what you do years later though, that moment, like, 01:51:50.500 --> 01:51:53.060 cause what happens with humans is when we see other emotions in 01:51:53.060 --> 01:51:54.710 people, we absorb them very quickly. 01:51:54.710 --> 01:51:55.620 We're supposed to, right? 01:51:55.620 --> 01:51:59.420 Like if someone's scared, you want to know, okay, I'm, I should be scared too, 01:51:59.430 --> 01:52:02.090 because my survival could depend on it. 01:52:03.150 --> 01:52:06.650 But there was all kinds of these moments that got stuffed away. 01:52:07.465 --> 01:52:11.395 So what looked like resilience was just stuffing it away in a Pandora's 01:52:11.395 --> 01:52:14.125 box that was going to get opened up and was going to be hopeless. 01:52:14.705 --> 01:52:19.505 Um, So my coping mechanisms at the time weren't super great. 01:52:19.505 --> 01:52:25.005 Like, like I said, avoidance, alcohol, um, try not really 01:52:25.005 --> 01:52:26.185 even going to the therapist. 01:52:26.185 --> 01:52:26.805 Cause that's the thing. 01:52:26.815 --> 01:52:27.485 That's what I was saying. 01:52:27.485 --> 01:52:28.635 They work against each other. 01:52:28.635 --> 01:52:32.575 The therapist is trying to open you up and what might look soft and vulnerable. 01:52:33.035 --> 01:52:36.005 And at that point it is now because it's kind of too late. 01:52:36.235 --> 01:52:38.905 These things have to be done in tandem much earlier on, right from 01:52:38.905 --> 01:52:43.375 selection onwards, um, in order to get the maximum resilience. 01:52:43.645 --> 01:52:44.845 And then it's like downtime. 01:52:46.150 --> 01:52:49.190 Um, if my, I remember like burnout's a big thing because your 01:52:49.190 --> 01:52:52.090 nervous system is on all the time. 01:52:52.660 --> 01:52:54.520 Every day you show up, not good enough. 01:52:54.530 --> 01:52:57.360 You have to keep developing, you have to stay ahead of the tech, you 01:52:57.360 --> 01:52:58.450 have to stay ahead of the enemy. 01:52:58.650 --> 01:53:00.180 You have to be, you know, you're there. 01:53:00.180 --> 01:53:03.970 It's like a competitive world, which it has to be. 01:53:03.970 --> 01:53:05.410 But detune, decompress. 01:53:08.805 --> 01:53:09.915 Um, and that takes a lot of time. 01:53:09.915 --> 01:53:10.675 It's not a weekend. 01:53:10.675 --> 01:53:11.825 It's not even a month off. 01:53:12.155 --> 01:53:16.525 It's like almost tit for tat in time, but we don't do that. 01:53:17.135 --> 01:53:18.775 Um, and that would be excellent. 01:53:18.855 --> 01:53:22.345 Like real decompression, um, would be amazing. 01:53:22.835 --> 01:53:24.145 Now on the other side. 01:53:25.575 --> 01:53:28.595 Um, yeah, talking, talking with people, it could be therapy. 01:53:29.055 --> 01:53:30.415 People shouldn't be ashamed of therapy. 01:53:30.415 --> 01:53:31.345 There's nothing wrong with it. 01:53:31.625 --> 01:53:34.805 Uh, it's tricky to find a good therapist or a good counselor that you jive with. 01:53:35.225 --> 01:53:39.205 Um, finding containers where you can express yourself, uh, 01:53:39.205 --> 01:53:41.835 is very important on this side. 01:53:41.835 --> 01:53:44.315 One of the things that I found that I never thought I've been at it 01:53:44.325 --> 01:53:46.775 for about 50 weeks now is piano. 01:53:47.325 --> 01:53:49.545 Um, I wasn't really a musical person. 01:53:49.555 --> 01:53:50.635 Like I like music, but I. 01:53:51.630 --> 01:53:54.760 Um, but playing the piano has been amazing for me. 01:53:54.970 --> 01:54:00.200 Um, yeah, so like I was, you know, I couldn't find like any kind of 01:54:00.440 --> 01:54:06.290 artistic, if you will, um, expression like output, um, until that. 01:54:06.350 --> 01:54:09.080 And we're really, one of the things I noticed is I, I missed. 01:54:09.450 --> 01:54:10.410 Using my hands a lot. 01:54:10.410 --> 01:54:11.290 I like using my hands. 01:54:11.290 --> 01:54:13.590 I liked shooting a lot, but I just can't shoot like that much. 01:54:13.590 --> 01:54:17.680 I used to shoot thousands of rounds all the time, you know, like, um, I can't 01:54:17.680 --> 01:54:22.730 afford it and, um, I just, there's nowhere to do it, but using my hand, 01:54:22.730 --> 01:54:27.020 eye coordination with the piano is amazing, but it just something about. 01:54:28.380 --> 01:54:32.190 Uh, the sound, the feedback has been one of the most therapeutic things I have. 01:54:32.580 --> 01:54:35.430 Um, like we talked about earlier, getting out in nature. 01:54:36.060 --> 01:54:39.360 Uh, these are, you know, just, just kind of being, learning 01:54:39.360 --> 01:54:40.560 to be more honest with myself. 01:54:41.730 --> 01:54:41.910 Now 01:54:41.910 --> 01:54:46.620 Travis Bader: you're putting together programs for first responders to provide 01:54:46.620 --> 01:54:52.500 tools during the training phases, the pro providing them resiliency tools, 01:54:52.740 --> 01:54:55.360 uh, before the fact rather than. 01:54:55.850 --> 01:55:00.240 During or after, uh, something I looked at before. 01:55:00.240 --> 01:55:01.550 Did you want to talk a bit about that? 01:55:01.860 --> 01:55:02.790 Jeff Depatie: Yeah, I would love to. 01:55:02.790 --> 01:55:03.330 I'd love to. 01:55:03.330 --> 01:55:08.595 So, um, Through the art of adversity, we have a, it goes by a few things. 01:55:08.625 --> 01:55:10.225 Uh, you can look it up as citizen green. 01:55:10.225 --> 01:55:14.365 If you're a soldier, former soldier, or, you know, someone who's a veteran, uh, 01:55:14.365 --> 01:55:20.595 it's, it's, uh, um, it's free access for those who sign up, who are already on the 01:55:20.605 --> 01:55:23.305 cannabis program through veterans affairs. 01:55:23.745 --> 01:55:26.565 Um, so if they sign up through the company that we have an agreement 01:55:26.565 --> 01:55:28.005 with, they get the courses for free. 01:55:28.625 --> 01:55:30.775 Um, eventually we would love to just give it. 01:55:36.080 --> 01:55:41.860 So yes, what you're saying is true, but if we look at one single event, like, uh, 01:55:41.930 --> 01:55:47.740 kind of a stereotypical bomb goes off, you see your buddy get blown up, right? 01:55:47.740 --> 01:55:51.200 It's, it's like, it's literally seconds worth of time. 01:55:51.400 --> 01:55:53.810 If we call that the event, okay. 01:55:54.940 --> 01:55:58.925 There's, The baseline leading up to the event, there's the event, 01:55:58.935 --> 01:56:00.125 and then there's post event. 01:56:00.215 --> 01:56:00.405 Okay. 01:56:00.405 --> 01:56:02.805 If we kind of like, like we talked about, if we put some equal 01:56:02.805 --> 01:56:06.375 signs and zeros on a timeline, there's before, during, and after. 01:56:06.375 --> 01:56:09.905 And the idea of this program is that people can use it at any time because 01:56:10.185 --> 01:56:12.415 stress is happening all the time. 01:56:12.415 --> 01:56:16.295 We always are constantly in an event in our lives, unless we're sleeping. 01:56:16.295 --> 01:56:19.120 And even then some people are still going through it because we, we, 01:56:19.120 --> 01:56:23.105 we, we surround ourselves with progress and busyness so much. 01:56:23.105 --> 01:56:23.165 Okay. 01:56:24.175 --> 01:56:25.315 Now the idea is. 01:56:25.925 --> 01:56:29.755 Learning beforehand, how to deal with events and then how to walk through 01:56:29.755 --> 01:56:32.705 the event with the least amount of catastrophic damage, and then come 01:56:32.705 --> 01:56:34.165 out the other side and grow from it. 01:56:34.425 --> 01:56:39.855 So in fact, the tools work at all parts of it, uh, but hopefully, uh, 01:56:39.875 --> 01:56:44.765 folks start using it before, cause that is really the best time, um, to 01:56:44.765 --> 01:56:48.235 understand this while you're navigating through these conditioning factories. 01:56:48.455 --> 01:56:51.755 And then before you get out on the job, whether you're, you know, police, 01:56:51.765 --> 01:56:55.015 fire, it doesn't matter wherever high tension, high stress jobs. 01:56:56.370 --> 01:56:59.660 Um, learning tools to navigate that. 01:56:59.660 --> 01:57:04.640 Some of those are, um, very archetypal, you know, just how to visualize, 01:57:04.650 --> 01:57:10.570 how to, how to grow your ability to see and feel the world around you. 01:57:11.220 --> 01:57:16.020 You know, if like all you ever saw was one image and you tried to express the world 01:57:16.020 --> 01:57:17.980 as that one image, it just won't work. 01:57:17.980 --> 01:57:18.270 Right. 01:57:18.820 --> 01:57:21.410 So we have multiple images, we have all kinds of visuals. 01:57:21.730 --> 01:57:25.830 Um, Um, once we start getting into the emotional range, it gets trickier 01:57:25.830 --> 01:57:29.550 because we, we kind of pushed away from visualizing these things and feeling 01:57:29.550 --> 01:57:33.150 them and, um, but, uh, and then some of them are really practical tools, 01:57:33.170 --> 01:57:36.820 you know, how to really stream of consciousness journal, like really let 01:57:36.820 --> 01:57:40.400 it flow and then how to pull information out of that, you know, so it goes 01:57:40.400 --> 01:57:45.900 like really, um, through meditative, contemplative, and very, what we call 01:57:45.900 --> 01:57:51.095 concentrative So those are engaging different brain wavelengths, you know, 01:57:51.095 --> 01:57:53.065 concentrated ones are kind of alpha betas. 01:57:53.105 --> 01:57:54.275 They're very focused. 01:57:54.715 --> 01:58:00.135 Um, contemplation's a little bit more, you know, kind of theta dipping into 01:58:00.135 --> 01:58:01.975 Delta, which is like your sleep pattern. 01:58:02.395 --> 01:58:05.365 Um, meditation is even a little bit deeper there. 01:58:05.365 --> 01:58:05.605 Right. 01:58:05.605 --> 01:58:09.135 And so contemplation brings you in and out of these states of mind. 01:58:09.735 --> 01:58:12.515 Meditation kind of hones you in one and tries to clear it. 01:58:12.925 --> 01:58:16.760 Um, just a, just a, Thought, I think you're better off taking a nap. 01:58:16.980 --> 01:58:21.580 Um, you know, people really right now are pushing meditation, but 01:58:21.580 --> 01:58:24.550 if we look, there's these things called blue zones in the world where 01:58:24.550 --> 01:58:27.070 people live to be a hundred more. 01:58:27.830 --> 01:58:29.590 Um, they're more likely to live to be a hundred. 01:58:29.770 --> 01:58:30.790 They don't do meditation. 01:58:31.100 --> 01:58:32.710 They nap, all of them nap. 01:58:33.600 --> 01:58:34.600 And that's a good point. 01:58:34.600 --> 01:58:37.350 Makes sense, you know, cause it takes your brain through those 01:58:37.350 --> 01:58:38.400 waves and then it readjusts. 01:58:40.730 --> 01:58:47.290 Um, so if you can take a nap, um, well, it seems, it seems simple, but it's like, how 01:58:47.350 --> 01:58:52.380 many days of your life have you not taken a nap when you're like, I could use a nap. 01:58:52.690 --> 01:58:53.500 You know what I mean? 01:58:54.190 --> 01:58:57.610 Travis Bader: The only time I ever nap is when I'm out hunting, I'm up early 01:58:57.610 --> 01:59:01.620 and then midday, I'll just lie down out in the field and fall asleep and 01:59:01.630 --> 01:59:04.850 hope that, uh, I hear something that wakes me up and I can take a shot. 01:59:04.860 --> 01:59:05.410 Jeff Depatie: But, uh. 01:59:05.480 --> 01:59:08.215 Yeah, but you know what, like, and it, it's You know, you go 01:59:08.215 --> 01:59:09.405 into these really nice rhythms. 01:59:09.425 --> 01:59:11.035 Um, but anyways, yeah. 01:59:11.035 --> 01:59:16.375 So citizen green, um, is that program that's available to servicemen and women. 01:59:16.805 --> 01:59:17.395 Um. 01:59:18.370 --> 01:59:22.830 I can't even like, it's, it's 52 videos long, um, plus all the courseware. 01:59:22.830 --> 01:59:25.950 So I can't even, and then we brought in people, all kinds of, 01:59:25.950 --> 01:59:30.360 uh, scientists, uh, mythological people, just all different realms to 01:59:30.360 --> 01:59:32.180 kind of compact this into a space. 01:59:32.630 --> 01:59:34.730 Uh, not to be like the one stop shop. 01:59:35.060 --> 01:59:38.960 And it's all there, but really help people start to get the conversation within 01:59:38.960 --> 01:59:41.570 themselves going, build up the language. 01:59:41.570 --> 01:59:44.090 You know, I mentioned language tech, we use that, but it like, 01:59:44.090 --> 01:59:47.680 it really, it's designed for all kinds of personality types. 01:59:47.680 --> 01:59:50.710 So we all have propensities towards certain personality types, you 01:59:50.710 --> 01:59:52.000 know, introverted, extroverted. 01:59:52.210 --> 01:59:53.550 Some people like to sense their world. 01:59:53.550 --> 01:59:54.810 Some people intuit their world. 01:59:55.100 --> 01:59:58.420 Uh, some people feel more, some people think more, you know, that's very MBTI. 01:59:59.540 --> 02:00:00.870 That that's a broad range. 02:00:01.400 --> 02:00:07.530 So we all approach life differently and we wanted to capture tools so that it starts 02:00:07.530 --> 02:00:12.430 to interest people from all those, because certain people, there's certain things. 02:00:13.075 --> 02:00:18.635 That, um, people have tendencies like an introverted sensing person is 02:00:18.665 --> 02:00:24.125 statistically most likely to develop PTSD because they try to make sense of 02:00:24.135 --> 02:00:29.105 the world through their senses only, and they're less likely to talk to people. 02:00:29.665 --> 02:00:32.605 You know, those are like two of the things that we already talked about 02:00:32.605 --> 02:00:35.725 that are going to probably stack the odds against you, but they're also 02:00:35.955 --> 02:00:40.035 some of the toughest nuts to crack, which is good in certain situations. 02:00:40.445 --> 02:00:44.875 Um, so, you know, you know, building it up for those, those different kinds of minds. 02:00:45.865 --> 02:00:46.005 Yeah. 02:00:46.005 --> 02:00:46.905 We're quite excited about it. 02:00:48.175 --> 02:00:50.855 Travis Bader: So if they want to find more art of adversity. 02:00:51.025 --> 02:00:52.925 com or citizen green. 02:00:52.925 --> 02:00:56.315 io, if they're military, military 02:00:56.495 --> 02:00:57.965 Jeff Depatie: first responder for citizen green. 02:00:58.025 --> 02:00:58.485 Yeah. 02:00:58.495 --> 02:00:59.825 Military first responder. 02:00:59.825 --> 02:01:02.495 So right now, um, everyone is welcome. 02:01:02.965 --> 02:01:04.105 Everybody is welcome. 02:01:04.185 --> 02:01:08.360 The way it's set up though, is, uh, cause veterans affairs just like to pledge like 02:01:08.360 --> 02:01:11.235 200 and some million dollars for cannabis. 02:01:11.465 --> 02:01:14.305 So we partnered with a cannabis company and what happens is if people 02:01:14.305 --> 02:01:16.835 go through that cannabis company, they get the course for free. 02:01:17.355 --> 02:01:21.475 Um, Now that could be like a medical cannabis, like as for 02:01:21.805 --> 02:01:24.745 if they're now a civilian, or it can be through veterans affairs. 02:01:25.165 --> 02:01:27.975 And, um, that way there we can help take care of each other. 02:01:27.985 --> 02:01:32.165 Cause I, for a long time, you know, veterans were asking, asking, um, 02:01:33.245 --> 02:01:38.535 for some programs, you know, you mentioned for before something happens. 02:01:38.545 --> 02:01:44.235 So before the worst sets in, um, but it's also for during, 02:01:44.235 --> 02:01:45.305 and then it's also for after. 02:01:45.305 --> 02:01:48.135 So part of that is like, there's also transition tools in it. 02:01:48.135 --> 02:01:53.525 So, Part of the difficulty that gets lumped in with the term PTSD is you 02:01:53.525 --> 02:01:58.995 have service man or woman who has dedicated their lives to being this mold. 02:01:59.325 --> 02:02:02.295 And then they're out of that mold and it's like, well, who am I? 02:02:02.295 --> 02:02:03.615 What am I, what am I supposed to do? 02:02:03.625 --> 02:02:07.465 You know, like, um, so helping shift that identity because the brain, 02:02:08.105 --> 02:02:12.275 um, likes to keep it structured to help make sense of reality, but 02:02:12.685 --> 02:02:14.935 when your whole reality is gone now. 02:02:15.515 --> 02:02:16.365 Um, it can be tricky. 02:02:16.365 --> 02:02:22.345 So as different, you know, hormonal changes, you know, concussive damages, 02:02:22.725 --> 02:02:27.055 um, patterns, you know, the traumas, all these things start to stir, you 02:02:27.055 --> 02:02:30.505 know, part of that is the transition, the identity changes, all that. 02:02:30.505 --> 02:02:33.045 So there's a whole bunch of factors that get kind of lumped in with 02:02:33.045 --> 02:02:35.485 the term PTSD or a stress disorder. 02:02:35.855 --> 02:02:39.285 And like I said, by the DSM, yeah, you know, like it shows up certain 02:02:39.285 --> 02:02:42.385 ways, but there's all kinds of factors that we got to look at. 02:02:42.425 --> 02:02:44.745 How, what were your childhood wounds, you know, what? 02:02:45.125 --> 02:02:47.475 What are some of the coping mechanisms that you started way 02:02:47.475 --> 02:02:49.585 back there that weren't serving you? 02:02:50.485 --> 02:02:50.555 Yeah. 02:02:50.565 --> 02:02:54.785 Travis Bader: I think that DSM, I'm sorry, I was going to say, I think 02:02:54.785 --> 02:02:58.415 that DSM just scratches the tip of the iceberg there and they're 02:02:58.415 --> 02:03:01.115 still, what are we at DSM five now? 02:03:01.115 --> 02:03:02.175 Is it four or five? 02:03:02.205 --> 02:03:02.625 Yeah. 02:03:02.655 --> 02:03:03.155 Five. 02:03:03.305 --> 02:03:08.205 And they've just changed criteria for like complex PTSD and. 02:03:08.925 --> 02:03:11.965 Uh, a few other things, I don't even think we're close to 02:03:11.965 --> 02:03:16.685 understanding any of this stuff to, to have to confine it with a DSM, 02:03:17.175 --> 02:03:18.675 Jeff Depatie: uh, framework, right? 02:03:18.825 --> 02:03:21.325 Because like, if you really zoom out, that's where I like to use the 02:03:21.325 --> 02:03:22.655 term more post traumatic growth. 02:03:22.655 --> 02:03:25.195 But if we look at them, they're just, it's like part of the human 02:03:25.195 --> 02:03:28.315 experience, so we cannot reduce it down. 02:03:29.870 --> 02:03:34.250 Um, now there's certain aspects of it, like, you know, like complex, like for 02:03:34.260 --> 02:03:40.100 me, I had, uh, um, concussive damages, I had, uh, chemical toxins, you know, I 02:03:40.110 --> 02:03:43.410 had experiential, I had the stuff from like, so there's so much, you know, 02:03:43.410 --> 02:03:46.840 so, you know, we really would citizen green with, uh, the art of adverse, we, 02:03:46.870 --> 02:03:51.380 we started to put that together, um, and, um, To, to bring those solutions 02:03:51.380 --> 02:03:55.140 to, to certain bets, not certain bets to anybody who's interested. 02:03:55.420 --> 02:03:59.770 The thing is, is like you can lead a horse to water, but you know, 02:03:59.770 --> 02:04:01.310 it has to take its own drink. 02:04:01.650 --> 02:04:06.010 Um, and for people it's, it's actually, to me, it's about realizing it's not a. 02:04:06.615 --> 02:04:07.375 You're not broken. 02:04:07.375 --> 02:04:10.925 It's actually this opportunity you've been given to break a pattern. 02:04:11.335 --> 02:04:16.215 You know, go to war and we get traumatized because it's fucking traumatizing. 02:04:16.375 --> 02:04:17.415 It's fucking war. 02:04:17.775 --> 02:04:19.405 So come back, learn the lesson. 02:04:19.415 --> 02:04:22.565 Even if it's like, you know what guys, I don't think we should go to war anymore. 02:04:22.565 --> 02:04:23.685 And how does that manifest? 02:04:23.685 --> 02:04:29.485 So you heal yourself and then, you know, Somehow you turn that into a 02:04:29.485 --> 02:04:33.305 service, whether it's like through your children or through being better partner 02:04:33.305 --> 02:04:35.605 with your wife, you know, et cetera. 02:04:35.725 --> 02:04:37.165 It can be on a grander scale. 02:04:37.165 --> 02:04:42.175 It can be giving talks or whatnot, you know, but the idea is people get really, 02:04:42.175 --> 02:04:44.375 you know, you asked about moral wounds. 02:04:44.375 --> 02:04:45.625 Cause that's part of it too. 02:04:47.635 --> 02:04:51.335 Um, that, that gets them locked up in the cycle as well, you know, and 02:04:51.335 --> 02:04:52.465 it's like, well, where do I do this? 02:04:52.465 --> 02:04:53.875 How do I transmute it? 02:04:53.885 --> 02:04:54.785 That's the idea of it. 02:04:55.805 --> 02:04:56.055 We. 02:04:56.570 --> 02:04:59.040 We want to learn how to walk to the apple tree without getting 02:04:59.170 --> 02:05:00.710 hurt on the way to the apple tree. 02:05:00.710 --> 02:05:00.970 Right. 02:05:00.970 --> 02:05:01.880 Getting that reward. 02:05:02.510 --> 02:05:06.220 But if we don't convey our message, then we're just going to keep getting hurt. 02:05:09.310 --> 02:05:11.000 Travis Bader: I don't know if there's a better place to wrap 02:05:11.000 --> 02:05:11.940 things up than right there. 02:05:11.940 --> 02:05:14.830 Is there anything else that we haven't talked about that we should talk 02:05:14.840 --> 02:05:15.190 Jeff Depatie: about? 02:05:16.160 --> 02:05:17.130 No, you know what? 02:05:17.190 --> 02:05:19.420 Um, I think that was a great chat, Trev. 02:05:19.420 --> 02:05:20.370 I really appreciate it. 02:05:20.500 --> 02:05:22.300 There's a million topics we could go down. 02:05:22.820 --> 02:05:25.240 Um, but I really appreciate your time. 02:05:26.365 --> 02:05:29.085 Travis Bader: Likewise to you, my brain's buzzing with all these other 02:05:29.085 --> 02:05:33.015 ideas and thoughts, but, um, obviously conscious of your time as well. 02:05:33.025 --> 02:05:36.755 I appreciate you taking this time and I'm sure, I'm sure there'll 02:05:36.755 --> 02:05:39.405 be more in the future when you're over here on the West coast. 02:05:39.970 --> 02:05:42.420 You'll, uh, you'll have a seat at the, uh, the table here 02:05:42.420 --> 02:05:42.760 Jeff Depatie: for sure. 02:05:42.760 --> 02:05:43.100 Anytime. 02:05:43.590 --> 02:05:44.520 I appreciate that.