1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,625 Welcome everyone to the DC Beer Show live at 2 00:00:09,625 --> 00:00:12,365 Lost Generation. It's episode 100. 3 00:00:18,769 --> 00:00:22,449 Hey, Brandy. What's in your glass this evening? What's in 4 00:00:22,449 --> 00:00:26,210 my glass, Jake? Actually, I don't know. Oh, I was drinking some 5 00:00:26,210 --> 00:00:29,885 random barley wine, and a Roush beer from our 6 00:00:29,885 --> 00:00:33,565 friend, Mike Earl, who is here at the live recording. Thanks for 7 00:00:33,565 --> 00:00:34,865 coming, Mike Earl. 8 00:00:37,710 --> 00:00:41,090 I am drinking the Dunkel from Lost 9 00:00:41,150 --> 00:00:44,670 Generation. You guys know that I'm a dark beer drinking 10 00:00:44,670 --> 00:00:48,405 girl. I like my brown ales and my grave shift 11 00:00:48,465 --> 00:00:52,145 and my Dunkels. So thanks to Lost 12 00:00:52,145 --> 00:00:55,770 Generation for always crushing that dark 13 00:00:55,770 --> 00:00:59,470 beer for your girl, Brandy. Mike Stein, what you drinking? 14 00:00:59,930 --> 00:01:03,685 I'm having Vida, Mexican style lager, which 15 00:01:03,685 --> 00:01:07,285 I'm so grateful for. It's just a delightful pale lager, 16 00:01:07,285 --> 00:01:11,125 which I think was 81 degrees as I was walking into 17 00:01:11,125 --> 00:01:14,720 Lost generation tonight. So it's the perfect beer for this humid, 18 00:01:14,780 --> 00:01:18,400 muggy day, just ideal for our climate. Jordan, 19 00:01:18,845 --> 00:01:22,365 what are you having this fine evening? Well, for those, 20 00:01:22,765 --> 00:01:25,905 that have listened to the podcast before, you know I'm drinking a hazy. 21 00:01:27,050 --> 00:01:30,650 Because someone has to, right? I mean, I, I have all these beer aficionados and 22 00:01:30,650 --> 00:01:34,030 enthusiasts out here. Well, I gotta hold it down for those everyday folks, 23 00:01:34,685 --> 00:01:38,365 that like that stuff, but we just appreciate our, Nelson, 24 00:01:38,365 --> 00:01:42,090 Sovereign and Rawaka, especially when it's an age of islands, our 25 00:01:42,090 --> 00:01:45,930 lost generation. So, yeah. I'm, I'm holding it down for the hot pits out there, 26 00:01:45,930 --> 00:01:49,229 the the Hays Bros, even though I don't really like that, but the Hays Bros. 27 00:01:50,335 --> 00:01:54,015 Jake, what you sipping on down there, man? So Port 28 00:01:54,015 --> 00:01:57,410 City has, 2 seasons I joke. Aquila Whitt 29 00:01:57,410 --> 00:02:01,170 season and Port City Porter season. I've been declaring, the lost 30 00:02:01,170 --> 00:02:04,870 gen dunkle season just about over. Sorry. 31 00:02:05,555 --> 00:02:09,315 I have Gas. Their kolsh. It's May. It 32 00:02:09,315 --> 00:02:13,015 is time for the spring festivals. It is time for kolsh 33 00:02:13,629 --> 00:02:17,409 weather. But did you come to their Koschfest? Oh, 34 00:02:17,870 --> 00:02:21,555 there was a Koschfest. There was a Kolschfest and it 35 00:02:21,555 --> 00:02:24,375 was fantastic. It was Lost Generation's first Kolschfest. 36 00:02:24,995 --> 00:02:28,500 Kolschfest, say that three times in a row, and it 37 00:02:28,500 --> 00:02:31,780 was incredible. They crushed it. They were a little nervous about it. Anne was back 38 00:02:31,780 --> 00:02:35,160 there. She's like, I didn't know how that was gonna go. They ordered special glassware 39 00:02:35,700 --> 00:02:39,485 just for Kohl'sfest, and they were walking around with the little servers. 40 00:02:39,485 --> 00:02:43,165 It was adorable. So I'm assuming they're gonna do it next year. So for those 41 00:02:43,165 --> 00:02:46,629 of you listening to this, come to Lost Generation's Kolsch Fest 42 00:02:46,770 --> 00:02:50,370 next year. So Jake, back to the Kolsch. No. 43 00:02:50,370 --> 00:02:54,025 It's lovely, light, delicate. It does the kolsch things it's supposed to 44 00:02:54,025 --> 00:02:57,545 do. A little bit fruity, a little bit crisp. Is it a 45 00:02:57,545 --> 00:03:00,360 lager? Is it an ale? The answer is yes. 46 00:03:02,420 --> 00:03:06,180 It is a top fermented ale as Sebastian Sauer told me 2 47 00:03:06,180 --> 00:03:09,755 weeks ago when he was in town for the Kolsch service at, 48 00:03:10,235 --> 00:03:14,075 at shelter. Kolsch is drinking lovely. Mexican style lager 49 00:03:14,075 --> 00:03:17,215 is drinking lovely. We are so grateful for Anne and Jared, 50 00:03:17,515 --> 00:03:20,890 owners of Lost Generation, for having us here 51 00:03:20,890 --> 00:03:24,650 tonight. You know, I just 52 00:03:24,650 --> 00:03:25,435 have to give a massive 53 00:03:33,595 --> 00:03:36,570 Andy's pizza. Andy's Pizza. 54 00:03:37,510 --> 00:03:41,350 And, you know, this was a moment that that we manifested. We we 55 00:03:41,350 --> 00:03:44,805 knew we had a 100th episode coming up with this 56 00:03:44,944 --> 00:03:48,785 dynamite cast and crew of the DC beer show. And Brandy, you helped 57 00:03:48,785 --> 00:03:51,845 bring this into existence, didn't you? 58 00:03:52,530 --> 00:03:54,150 Oh, no. She definitely did. 59 00:03:58,850 --> 00:03:59,350 Thanks. 60 00:04:02,915 --> 00:04:06,295 I suffer from ADHD like many of us. 61 00:04:06,915 --> 00:04:10,615 Applause for ADHD. Yes. Shout out to us neurodivergent folks. 62 00:04:11,510 --> 00:04:15,110 But I always feel antsy when I'm 63 00:04:15,110 --> 00:04:18,950 not doing a 1,000 things. So to keep my 64 00:04:18,950 --> 00:04:22,675 brain stimulated, I'm like, oh, let's do this. I have so many ideas. I'm, 65 00:04:22,675 --> 00:04:26,435 like, sending text to Anne, actually. I'm like, hey. 66 00:04:26,435 --> 00:04:29,890 You should do a a this is a dog event with painting. And she's like, 67 00:04:29,890 --> 00:04:33,570 okay, Brandy. You're crazy. And so but I still do it 68 00:04:33,570 --> 00:04:36,944 because sometimes I have good ideas. But I 69 00:04:36,944 --> 00:04:40,784 will say that I am so excited to have all of us in 70 00:04:40,784 --> 00:04:44,245 the same place because for those of you who listen to the DC Beer Show, 71 00:04:44,670 --> 00:04:48,350 you know that we don't get to we get to see each other, but we 72 00:04:48,350 --> 00:04:52,030 don't we're not in the same space. So we record on, an app, 73 00:04:52,030 --> 00:04:55,574 Riverside, and we do get to see each other's faces and 74 00:04:55,574 --> 00:04:59,335 facial reactions, which sucks because other people don't because Mike 75 00:04:59,335 --> 00:05:03,130 and Jake say some funny shit y'all. And I'm over here 76 00:05:03,130 --> 00:05:06,810 and Richard's getting mad at me because I'm laughing and he's like, stop laughing because 77 00:05:06,810 --> 00:05:09,790 you're interrupting the audio. And I'm like, I can't help it. 78 00:05:10,925 --> 00:05:14,764 But you guys get to witness it live because Jake and Mike 79 00:05:14,764 --> 00:05:18,205 and Jordan, everybody's just so funny. And so, this is the group that I get 80 00:05:18,205 --> 00:05:21,710 to do stuff with. And I'm very excited to be in this 81 00:05:21,710 --> 00:05:25,310 space and to be able to make events and bring people 82 00:05:25,310 --> 00:05:28,985 together because that is what I love to do, because beer brings 83 00:05:28,985 --> 00:05:32,825 people together. And I just keep putting this into 84 00:05:32,825 --> 00:05:36,505 motion as much as I can, and, eventually, I'm gonna take over the 85 00:05:36,505 --> 00:05:37,405 world. Thanks. 86 00:05:40,570 --> 00:05:44,010 And, that that's not hyperbole. Seriously, she's going to take over the world. 87 00:05:44,010 --> 00:05:47,635 But, I would like to just say all the things 88 00:05:47,635 --> 00:05:51,335 that, Mike, Randy, Jake, Richard, 89 00:05:51,395 --> 00:05:54,410 Tom, all of us that, all of these that we do, we wouldn't be able 90 00:05:54,410 --> 00:05:58,210 to do without you all, especially you Patreon supporters. So we definitely wanna thank you 91 00:05:58,210 --> 00:06:01,730 guys for this because, again, we can't have events like this and show love to 92 00:06:01,730 --> 00:06:05,373 you guys and return the favor, excuse me, return the favor of all the love 93 00:06:05,373 --> 00:06:08,608 that you show to us by showing love to you guys without your support via 94 00:06:08,608 --> 00:06:12,370 Patreon. So just thank you guys so very much, for allowing us to 95 00:06:12,389 --> 00:06:16,150 bring you guys the the local news and also buy you guys a beer 96 00:06:16,150 --> 00:06:19,375 every so often. So again, thank you guys for coming out. We really appreciate your 97 00:06:19,375 --> 00:06:23,215 support. If you're not a Patreon member, please become a Patreon 98 00:06:23,215 --> 00:06:26,815 member. I mean, not only do we do a have we done a, a 100th 99 00:06:26,815 --> 00:06:30,440 episode, but we're also doing a, a monthly beer share amongst other things, 100 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,040 right? And it's just $5 to get you through the door, right? Our 101 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,255 lowest tier is $5 I have a 12 tier a $12 tier and also a 102 00:06:37,255 --> 00:06:40,695 $25 tier. And each of those have their own, added benefits. But 103 00:06:40,695 --> 00:06:44,110 again, thank you to all the partners that have done things with us. Alyssa, I'm 104 00:06:44,110 --> 00:06:47,150 thinking of you. You've done all these things with us. And it's not just her, 105 00:06:47,150 --> 00:06:49,630 but I saw her, so I just had to shout her out. And I haven't 106 00:06:49,630 --> 00:06:52,805 gotten my lucky attention. What's up, What's up, Alyssa? So does that. But it just 107 00:06:52,805 --> 00:06:56,085 shout out to all the people, all of our partners, and our Patreon members. We 108 00:06:56,085 --> 00:06:58,005 wouldn't be able to do what we do without you guys. So thank you guys 109 00:06:58,005 --> 00:07:01,740 for coming out tonight. Yeah. Absolutely. Jake, do you remember where 110 00:07:01,740 --> 00:07:05,580 our 50th episode was? Do you remember where we were? Was 111 00:07:05,580 --> 00:07:08,625 that also live? And if so, was that at Silver Branch? 112 00:07:09,105 --> 00:07:12,945 No. No. No. Do you have another guess? Coming 113 00:07:12,945 --> 00:07:16,705 up blank. Doudrop Inn. Oh. Do y'all remember we 114 00:07:16,705 --> 00:07:19,300 were at the Doudrop Inn? Of course. Super close to here. So what I have 115 00:07:19,300 --> 00:07:22,900 to refer you. We're keeping it in the area. So, like, the 150 where we're 116 00:07:22,900 --> 00:07:26,675 gonna be, hopefully, here. Anna Jared. Ahem. 150 here. 117 00:07:26,675 --> 00:07:30,355 Thanks. So we have to keep 150 on the Met beer trail 118 00:07:30,355 --> 00:07:33,930 is, alright. That's it. Yeah. That's it. Or or Hellbender or 119 00:07:33,930 --> 00:07:37,770 Urban Garden Brewing because by the time Hey. Hey, oh. 120 00:07:37,770 --> 00:07:41,550 Yes. So hopefully by the time that, 121 00:07:41,975 --> 00:07:45,415 you know, next a 100 and 50th episode is a 122 00:07:45,415 --> 00:07:47,995 thing, hopefully, knock on wood it is, 123 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,920 then, Urban Garden will be open right in my neighborhood actually. 124 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,580 So, yeah. Shout out to Emani and Lindsey, 125 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,085 because they will be the first black owned, Hispanic 126 00:08:00,085 --> 00:08:03,764 owned, woman owned brewery in the district. Yeah. 127 00:08:03,764 --> 00:08:07,490 Yes. Brick and mortar, brick and mortar. But also, I I have a question. 128 00:08:07,490 --> 00:08:11,250 I know we get really excited about celebrating these different milestones. We're at we're 129 00:08:11,250 --> 00:08:15,095 at our 100th. We're we're planning for our 1 50th. But, Jake Stein, 130 00:08:15,095 --> 00:08:17,735 and I'm the padawan for those of you guys who don't know. So, I'm Jordan, 131 00:08:17,735 --> 00:08:20,795 Jordan Harvey, beers are on the way, hazy aficionado. 132 00:08:21,495 --> 00:08:25,290 But, Jake, Mike, could you tell me about the 133 00:08:25,290 --> 00:08:28,889 first episode of DC beer, or just you all's first episode of DC 134 00:08:28,889 --> 00:08:32,715 beer? Just give me some history as a beer historian. I would 135 00:08:32,934 --> 00:08:35,995 like nothing more than to give you the history, Jordan. 136 00:08:37,495 --> 00:08:40,934 So the history of DC beer goes back to 2,009. And if you can 137 00:08:40,934 --> 00:08:44,770 imagine a DC without one commercial brewery, that 138 00:08:44,770 --> 00:08:48,130 was us. That was DC in 2009. A couple of 139 00:08:48,130 --> 00:08:51,965 brewpubs here, no production facilities. So when DC Brewers started, it 140 00:08:51,965 --> 00:08:55,725 was started by a guy named Mike Dolan, who actually started the 141 00:08:55,725 --> 00:08:59,325 DC Homebrewers Club at the same time. Not long after Mike 142 00:08:59,325 --> 00:09:02,650 Dolan, Bill DeBaun, who is one of our editor, em 143 00:09:02,730 --> 00:09:06,490 Emeritus, as well as Andy Nations were there. We had 144 00:09:06,490 --> 00:09:10,125 some wonderful writers, Devery and Megan, some 145 00:09:10,125 --> 00:09:13,425 some wonderful, women who wrote for us in the early days. 146 00:09:13,964 --> 00:09:17,649 And things eventually got going to where I think Bill 147 00:09:17,649 --> 00:09:21,089 DeBaun and and Aaron Morrissey, who's another local writer, had a 148 00:09:21,089 --> 00:09:23,750 podcast for 1, 2, maybe 3 episodes. 149 00:09:25,215 --> 00:09:28,654 But eventually, a a show grew, a a a different 150 00:09:28,654 --> 00:09:32,015 show grew out of that. And Jake, do you wanna talk a little bit about 151 00:09:32,015 --> 00:09:35,649 that and get us up to date? Yeah. So Aaron and Bill would 152 00:09:35,649 --> 00:09:39,330 jump on a podcast over at the line, over 153 00:09:39,330 --> 00:09:42,995 in Adams Morgan with Birme Radio's Sarah 154 00:09:43,055 --> 00:09:46,755 Jane Curran. And they sort of spun off their own sort of a thing, 155 00:09:47,454 --> 00:09:51,150 and podcasted there. I think that actually the 156 00:09:51,150 --> 00:09:54,830 first time we podcasted was a pre snally 157 00:09:54,830 --> 00:09:58,435 event over on 15th, like, between, like, k and 158 00:09:58,435 --> 00:10:02,195 l or l and m over at the what was the 159 00:10:02,195 --> 00:10:05,315 Junto media offices, back when, 160 00:10:05,930 --> 00:10:08,509 there was a Junto Media as opposed to Voxtopica. 161 00:10:10,649 --> 00:10:13,709 We'll get to that in a minute. This is your intro. 162 00:10:14,455 --> 00:10:17,115 This is the intro. Wink wink. 163 00:10:18,295 --> 00:10:21,595 Yeah. And I believe that we had Sarah Jane Curran 164 00:10:21,655 --> 00:10:25,110 on that show. Really? Yeah. 165 00:10:25,110 --> 00:10:28,949 Wow. As hosted by Richard. That's 166 00:10:28,949 --> 00:10:32,785 me. Everybody make some noise for Richard Fowal, 167 00:10:32,785 --> 00:10:36,324 publisher of DC Beer. Woah. Alright. 168 00:10:36,545 --> 00:10:40,080 What do we what do we call Richard? What what's his name? Papa beer. 169 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,840 Oh. Papa beer. How sweet. But but there's 170 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:47,360 a reason and it's because of the brew daddy. So he's like the 171 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,855 Alright. So I gotta talk about it. Little bit little bit of in intermediate history. 172 00:10:51,235 --> 00:10:54,755 So in 2018 well, no. In 173 00:10:54,755 --> 00:10:57,334 2017, my good friend, Adam Frank, 174 00:10:58,560 --> 00:11:00,019 that's Adam. Hey, Adam. 175 00:11:02,399 --> 00:11:05,620 I had left a job where I built a podcast network 176 00:11:05,839 --> 00:11:09,525 for, a think tank in Washington DC and I'd left that 177 00:11:09,525 --> 00:11:13,285 and I was gonna start this podcast company, but I didn't have any clients. So 178 00:11:13,285 --> 00:11:17,020 I was like, well, let's just start making podcasts. So, Adam, who's 179 00:11:17,020 --> 00:11:20,320 been a home brewer, you know, for decades decades 180 00:11:20,460 --> 00:11:23,600 decades. I was like, let's make a beer podcast. He was like, okay. 181 00:11:24,635 --> 00:11:28,475 So, we started a podcast called the Brew Daddies, which was 182 00:11:28,475 --> 00:11:30,095 a terrible name for a podcast. 183 00:11:32,635 --> 00:11:36,000 It was s and m involved. No. It was it was a terrible name, but 184 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,680 that's what our friends called us because we were like we were friends because our 185 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:42,935 kids were friends, you know, and that people started calling us that. 186 00:11:43,175 --> 00:11:46,795 And I I emailed Bill DeBaun. I found dcbeer.com 187 00:11:47,815 --> 00:11:51,654 and I emailed Bill DeBaun and was like, hey, we have this podcast. Let's 188 00:11:51,654 --> 00:11:55,100 do something together. And And Bill Dibon was like, no. 189 00:11:58,519 --> 00:12:02,365 I was like, okay. He was like, yeah. DC beer is kind 190 00:12:02,365 --> 00:12:06,205 of winding down. Because he had he had he 191 00:12:06,205 --> 00:12:09,780 was a new father, young kids, and he was like, 192 00:12:09,780 --> 00:12:13,620 it's it we're kinda winding this down. I can't keep managing it. And I was 193 00:12:13,620 --> 00:12:15,480 like, I'm unemployed. 194 00:12:17,705 --> 00:12:21,305 Maybe I could take it over and, you know, he was protective of it, but 195 00:12:21,305 --> 00:12:24,425 we talked over a few months. And then finally he was like, okay, great. Yeah. 196 00:12:24,425 --> 00:12:27,600 Like, I'm gonna turn dcbeer.com over to you. 197 00:12:28,220 --> 00:12:32,060 And so we tied the podcast, the Brew Daddies. And then our good 198 00:12:32,060 --> 00:12:34,560 friend, Julie Verratti, everybody knows Julie. 199 00:12:35,775 --> 00:12:39,535 Yes. Owner of Denizen's. Julie called me one day while Adam and I 200 00:12:39,615 --> 00:12:43,375 we back then, we would drive to to breweries all over the region, and we 201 00:12:43,375 --> 00:12:45,300 would actually do Saturday interviews 202 00:12:53,995 --> 00:12:57,595 days. We were like, this beer is nice. That was that was as 203 00:12:57,595 --> 00:13:01,355 descriptive as we could get for most for most beers. I 204 00:13:01,355 --> 00:13:04,210 like it. It's good. It's nice. But Julie Verrill, we were on our way, I 205 00:13:04,210 --> 00:13:08,050 don't know, somewhere, in Virginia to do it and Julie called me and 206 00:13:08,050 --> 00:13:10,630 she was like, You know, Brew Daddy's 207 00:13:11,774 --> 00:13:15,535 isn't cool. What do you mean? She was like, the name 208 00:13:15,535 --> 00:13:19,375 is not, and I was like, when Julie tells me something, I listen 209 00:13:19,375 --> 00:13:22,250 by the way. Like, Julie Julie tells you something, you do what she says. And 210 00:13:22,250 --> 00:13:25,930 so we came up with the name of the DC Beer Show. That was probably 211 00:13:25,930 --> 00:13:29,495 2019 and then the pandemic happened. We shut the 212 00:13:29,495 --> 00:13:33,035 podcast down because we couldn't go to breweries anymore and then, 213 00:13:33,975 --> 00:13:37,810 I thought, you know what? These people can talk about beer 214 00:13:38,029 --> 00:13:41,870 way better than me and Adam. And that's how we got to the DC Beer 215 00:13:41,870 --> 00:13:45,564 Show that you see here today. So that is 216 00:13:45,564 --> 00:13:49,084 my history. Thank you for listening. Well said. And I'm 217 00:13:49,245 --> 00:13:53,000 I have to say, as a pop of beer, I'm so proud 218 00:13:53,779 --> 00:13:57,560 of these individuals and what they have done and what they've created 219 00:13:57,620 --> 00:14:01,195 because all of you are here because of what they've done. 220 00:14:01,195 --> 00:14:04,875 The hard work that they put into talking about craft beer, 221 00:14:04,875 --> 00:14:08,410 talking about, the breweries and the brewers and the 222 00:14:08,490 --> 00:14:11,949 folks who work in the industry and creating a community 223 00:14:12,329 --> 00:14:15,930 around craft beer. Every single brewery we know 224 00:14:15,930 --> 00:14:19,714 of tries to create a community around their brewery. I 225 00:14:19,714 --> 00:14:23,555 think it was Greg Angert, from NRG who once said, no 226 00:14:23,555 --> 00:14:27,270 other city in the country has a community 227 00:14:27,270 --> 00:14:30,950 of craft beer lovers like DC does because DC 228 00:14:30,950 --> 00:14:34,435 beer brings all of the craft beer lovers together 229 00:14:35,475 --> 00:14:39,075 he did say And that is thanks to the folks that you're looking at up 230 00:14:39,075 --> 00:14:40,935 here. So thank you guys. 231 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:48,720 Well said. Thank you, Richard. So, 232 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,464 yeah. A bit on the history because I can't just leave it there. 233 00:14:53,565 --> 00:14:56,464 I also, was instructed not to 234 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,720 especially interact with the audience, but also I have to give a shout 235 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,455 out, to a DC beer sometimes writer, who 236 00:15:04,455 --> 00:15:08,055 has garnered us our 1st North American Guild of Beer Writers 237 00:15:08,055 --> 00:15:11,820 award. And that's Phil Runco right there. Hey, Phil. The handsome gent. 238 00:15:15,980 --> 00:15:19,535 We have an award winner amongst in our midst. And this 239 00:15:19,535 --> 00:15:23,295 award winner actually brought home gold for DC beer. What? So 240 00:15:23,295 --> 00:15:27,055 we're so grateful, for the writers and the good writing. And also for Richard 241 00:15:27,055 --> 00:15:30,560 for putting the writing first, putting the content first. You know, as 242 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,400 Greg Angert said, we have so many beer lovers in the city. Some of 243 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,175 us love imports, and we're constantly complaining about how little 244 00:15:38,175 --> 00:15:41,855 Czech beer there is in the city. Some of us just love good local 245 00:15:41,855 --> 00:15:44,915 beer, which is what brings us to places like Lost Generation. 246 00:15:45,930 --> 00:15:49,390 But maybe you can share a little bit more about what 247 00:15:49,690 --> 00:15:53,315 what you love, what what brings you joy, what you're passionate 248 00:15:53,555 --> 00:15:57,395 about. Mike, I was gonna ask since you just mentioned Czech beer, what's 249 00:15:57,395 --> 00:16:00,915 the oldest most out of date green bottled Czech 250 00:16:00,915 --> 00:16:04,580 beer you've had in DC? It's called 251 00:16:04,580 --> 00:16:08,420 cah cardboardova. I'm just messing with you. That's 252 00:16:08,420 --> 00:16:12,135 a bad very bad language joke. Yeah. There's 253 00:16:12,135 --> 00:16:15,815 some really bad stale beer out there, but there's also really fresh 254 00:16:15,815 --> 00:16:19,515 pale lager. And I think that's kinda what's beautiful about our scene right now. 255 00:16:19,660 --> 00:16:23,100 We're thriving in laugerville, and it's fresh, and it's 256 00:16:23,100 --> 00:16:26,460 local. And honestly, it's better now than it was in 257 00:16:26,460 --> 00:16:30,014 2009. I I think, you know, I 258 00:16:30,175 --> 00:16:33,954 not not to date anyone, but any any of those who remember 259 00:16:34,095 --> 00:16:37,750 what the lager was like in 2009, it's better now. 260 00:16:39,250 --> 00:16:42,930 I'll just I'll leave it at that. I like how you didn't answer the 261 00:16:42,930 --> 00:16:46,295 question, Mike. Mike I call Mike Sweden 262 00:16:46,514 --> 00:16:50,195 because he is always very neutral, but always 263 00:16:50,195 --> 00:16:53,740 very supportive. Like Switzerland did I say Sweden? 264 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,820 Yeah. Can I have another beer, please? Thank you. 265 00:16:59,824 --> 00:17:02,725 I will say that for me, personally, 266 00:17:03,665 --> 00:17:07,444 I got into the beer game late and 267 00:17:07,585 --> 00:17:11,299 I because I work used to work at a distillery and I was super into 268 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,559 into gin and I wasn't to beer, but more of like a beer share kind 269 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:18,115 of thing because we'd always drink beer at the distillery. And 270 00:17:18,414 --> 00:17:21,934 I've learned through my years of working in the 271 00:17:21,934 --> 00:17:25,589 industry that all the people that I really liked were beer 272 00:17:25,589 --> 00:17:27,690 people, not the 273 00:17:29,510 --> 00:17:33,210 not the distilling people necessarily. Although, my friend, Alex, 274 00:17:33,735 --> 00:17:35,434 I love him so much. But, 275 00:17:38,054 --> 00:17:41,820 having having surrounding surrounded myself with beer people constantly and, like, 276 00:17:41,820 --> 00:17:42,320 3 277 00:17:48,700 --> 00:17:52,185 stars, rest in peace. And we've at 3 stars, rest in peace. 278 00:17:53,285 --> 00:17:57,050 And we've been besties ever since. And I'm so thankful. And 279 00:17:57,450 --> 00:18:01,210 the way that my life brought me to be a 280 00:18:01,210 --> 00:18:04,845 part of DC beer, is so interesting because Richard 281 00:18:05,005 --> 00:18:08,465 met me at Battle of the Barrel Age Beers 282 00:18:08,684 --> 00:18:11,825 at Boundary Stone, which is an excellent event. Y'all gotta go to it. 283 00:18:12,044 --> 00:18:15,890 And ever since then, I have It's funny because I already knew 284 00:18:15,890 --> 00:18:19,650 everybody in the industry, and then I just came in, and even though 285 00:18:19,650 --> 00:18:23,385 I don't write necessarily, I'm the people person. I'm like, hey, what's up? 286 00:18:23,385 --> 00:18:26,905 Like, you know, and I bring everybody together. And so I'm 287 00:18:26,905 --> 00:18:30,690 thankful that you guys keep letting me fuck around with everybody all the 288 00:18:30,690 --> 00:18:34,370 time because if that if I wasn't doing that, I'd be boring 289 00:18:34,370 --> 00:18:38,095 probably. Yeah. Sorry. I don't think 290 00:18:38,095 --> 00:18:41,235 you'd be boring. Oh, a little bit. But if anything, you still like gin. Right? 291 00:18:41,295 --> 00:18:44,975 I do. Yeah. Brandy drinks, she knows. Plus, we do. My 292 00:18:44,975 --> 00:18:48,810 birthday's coming up. If wanna bring me a bottle of gin, I'm I'm I'm 293 00:18:48,810 --> 00:18:52,410 into it. Thanks. July 3rd. K. So I 294 00:18:52,410 --> 00:18:56,005 think, to attempt to answer the question 295 00:18:56,005 --> 00:18:59,445 before I field it back, my story is, 296 00:19:01,205 --> 00:19:04,700 it's a little interesting. I got into beer really heavily, 297 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,760 I'll say 2016 or so. So probably late to the, late to the 298 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:12,365 party for some of you guys. So please, again, don't judge me for that. But, 299 00:19:12,765 --> 00:19:16,445 how I actually got into the beer world was actually more Belgians and not IPAs. 300 00:19:16,445 --> 00:19:20,010 So it was more Belgian style beers, doubles, triples, trapelles, 301 00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:23,670 and quads. Those are really what appealed to me because, I have 302 00:19:23,670 --> 00:19:27,429 family in Europe, so I would travel to Europe, and that was really 303 00:19:27,510 --> 00:19:31,265 that was something was different from, those quads than 304 00:19:31,265 --> 00:19:35,105 the Bud Light lines I had been exposed to. I don't know what it 305 00:19:35,105 --> 00:19:38,840 was, but there is something different about it. But nevertheless, that kinda really, like, piqued 306 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,680 my interest, and I dove into the beer world. And, I 307 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,035 I lived in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania for a for a stretch, so I was exposed to 308 00:19:46,035 --> 00:19:49,815 kind of Central PA's Take on Craft Beer, your Troggs of the world, 309 00:19:50,195 --> 00:19:53,635 your Yingling of the world. I mean, Yingling, you know, you know, America's oldest 310 00:19:53,635 --> 00:19:56,940 brewery. So, like, all of that was, like, right there. And, 311 00:19:57,420 --> 00:20:01,020 I I used to get hazed at at corporate happy hours for ordering ordering a 312 00:20:01,020 --> 00:20:04,835 Heineken, because I at at the time, outside of, my affinity for 313 00:20:04,835 --> 00:20:08,195 Belgian beer, I didn't really know any better. So now I just kinda jumped off 314 00:20:08,195 --> 00:20:11,715 the deep end, went into the craft beer space. I hated 315 00:20:11,715 --> 00:20:15,270 IPAs. Strobes Perpetual IPA was the worst thing I'd ever had in my 316 00:20:15,270 --> 00:20:18,950 life. At that time, it's still 317 00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:22,105 not my favorite, but it was just not good at the time. 318 00:20:22,345 --> 00:20:25,865 And, I inherited a home brew kit, started 319 00:20:25,865 --> 00:20:29,465 brewing regular beer, nothing fancy. I was 320 00:20:29,465 --> 00:20:33,309 following the instructions on the kit. I was not doing any 321 00:20:33,309 --> 00:20:37,070 adjuncts unless it came in the package, and I just began to do that. 322 00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:40,445 And when I moved here, moved to the Silver Spring, the DC 323 00:20:40,445 --> 00:20:44,285 area, via Silver Spring, Astra Lab and and Silver 324 00:20:44,285 --> 00:20:48,070 Branch were popping up, and Astra Lab became my factory, 325 00:20:48,070 --> 00:20:51,750 my Hayes factory. And and now it makes sense that I 326 00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:55,510 love IPAs because if you've ever had Troggs, if you've ever had Fresh As, 327 00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:59,315 they're 2 completely different beards and that kinda let me know outside of all 328 00:20:59,315 --> 00:21:02,695 the the the lower and the West Coast IPAs and New England IPAs 329 00:21:03,075 --> 00:21:06,855 that it might be the same style, but every beer is not created equal. So 330 00:21:06,930 --> 00:21:10,530 that just took me down this long path of attempting to home brew. I say 331 00:21:10,530 --> 00:21:14,290 attempting because none of them were great, but, they 332 00:21:14,290 --> 00:21:17,355 were drinkable and no one died, so it was all good. 333 00:21:18,295 --> 00:21:21,975 And I started just posting stuff on social media during the 334 00:21:21,975 --> 00:21:25,720 pandemic and, started going to some of the local events as 335 00:21:25,860 --> 00:21:29,160 I would risk it during the the pandemic. And I met Brandy. 336 00:21:29,940 --> 00:21:33,575 And after meeting Brandy, I met Jake. And after meeting, I met Richard. And I 337 00:21:33,575 --> 00:21:36,154 began to meet the DC beer fam. And, 338 00:21:37,254 --> 00:21:40,774 if you know Brandy, you know she's everywhere, every day, all the 339 00:21:40,774 --> 00:21:43,960 time. I'm sure we all are trying to figure out how in the hell she 340 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,480 does it all. But she was actually looking for some help. So she's like, Jordan, 341 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,764 you like people. Would you be so kind as to, 342 00:21:51,245 --> 00:21:55,005 just come to a couple of DCB events? And that was, my invitation to join 343 00:21:55,005 --> 00:21:57,960 the gang. So I would not be here without Brandi, and I wanna give her 344 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,820 all of her flowers and thank her for that. 345 00:22:03,775 --> 00:22:06,815 But but with that, I've also had a crash course and everything, and and I 346 00:22:06,815 --> 00:22:09,615 still love my Belgians, but I can't have as many of those as I can 347 00:22:09,615 --> 00:22:13,320 IPAs. So that's why I love my IPAs. But, yeah. So tell me more 348 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,159 about, your New York story or your DC story, Jake. 349 00:22:17,159 --> 00:22:20,575 Why you like beer? So this is, the 15th 350 00:22:20,575 --> 00:22:23,635 anniversary of DC beer as Mike took us back to 2,009. 351 00:22:24,495 --> 00:22:26,915 It is also to the month, 352 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:33,120 May 2011. It is the 13th year of me 353 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:35,945 writing for DC Beer. Oh, wow. 354 00:22:37,045 --> 00:22:40,505 Yes. Jake 355 00:22:40,645 --> 00:22:44,417 Jake is is an amazing writer. He really is. Like, he and we call 356 00:22:44,417 --> 00:22:47,150 him Scoop. So if you ever if you guys ever hear us saying Scoop, it's 357 00:22:47,290 --> 00:22:50,660 not like kitty litter. It's legit Jake. Breaking 358 00:22:50,660 --> 00:22:54,205 news. Not kitty litter. Scoop 359 00:22:54,264 --> 00:22:58,105 mask story. But also breaking news. That's true. You do have bunnies 360 00:22:58,105 --> 00:23:01,520 and cats and stuff. Yeah. There there are some diamonds in the rough of that 361 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,280 proverbial, litter out there. Yeah. 362 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,140 But basically, I was in grad school and I was hanging out at the Brixkellar 363 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,965 in the Big Hunt And, I just kind of ran into, Build Upon, 364 00:23:13,264 --> 00:23:17,105 John Fleury, Aaron Morrissey and them, and we started hanging out. I just started 365 00:23:17,105 --> 00:23:20,470 pitching them stories and I stuck around. 366 00:23:20,610 --> 00:23:24,370 And as, Build A Bond kind of dropped out, I 367 00:23:24,370 --> 00:23:28,174 was still here. My kids are a little bit older. They 368 00:23:28,174 --> 00:23:31,634 can put themselves to bed which allows me to be out here 369 00:23:32,095 --> 00:23:35,394 on a Tuesday night, having my 4th or 5th beer, 370 00:23:35,855 --> 00:23:39,680 live podcasting which is lovely, lovely. 371 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,440 Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, it's like 372 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:47,125 certain things like when you buy a house they convey, and so when 373 00:23:47,445 --> 00:23:50,965 Richard, took over DC beer, Stein and I, 374 00:23:50,965 --> 00:23:54,590 we we kind of conveyed. We're like that that 375 00:23:54,750 --> 00:23:57,630 You were in the cellar just high now. Yeah. We were. Like that that weird 376 00:23:57,630 --> 00:24:01,309 end table that nobody knows what to do with and so, we just 377 00:24:01,309 --> 00:24:04,885 kinda stuck around. Well said. He did. Yeah. Well 378 00:24:04,885 --> 00:24:08,585 said. Agreed. I'm so glad. Yeah. Well, 379 00:24:08,645 --> 00:24:12,470 I'll I'll intro myself. I am Mike Stein. It's great to 380 00:24:12,470 --> 00:24:16,070 see all you here tonight. Like Jake, I 381 00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:19,669 was at the Big Hunt during a DC beer tweet 382 00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:23,405 up. So it's largely thanks to Twitter 383 00:24:23,405 --> 00:24:27,085 that I found Berg, and we both had New York in 384 00:24:27,085 --> 00:24:30,830 our in our backgrounds. We both were a bit skeptical 385 00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:34,510 of Bill de Baun at first, but then came around to him. But yeah. 386 00:24:34,510 --> 00:24:38,050 So I started writing for DC Beer, as a grad student, similarly, 387 00:24:38,590 --> 00:24:42,095 at George Mason, and then started writing. And 388 00:24:42,095 --> 00:24:45,615 then, you know, Richard was grateful to have us 389 00:24:45,615 --> 00:24:49,155 because, you know, Jake broke news, and I 390 00:24:49,659 --> 00:24:53,260 wrote too long about things that could have been a 391 00:24:53,260 --> 00:24:57,100 200 word article turned into 2,000 words. So, yeah. That's basically it. 392 00:24:57,100 --> 00:24:59,914 I I am all filler, no chiller. 393 00:25:01,654 --> 00:25:05,095 No. But I I think it's really important to recognize all the folks we have 394 00:25:05,095 --> 00:25:08,870 here tonight. And at the risk of turning it into the, recognize 395 00:25:09,010 --> 00:25:12,610 Brandi's Genius show, we're so grateful 396 00:25:12,610 --> 00:25:15,590 for, the Women's Brew Culture Club, 397 00:25:16,155 --> 00:25:19,995 particularly Whoo. Shout out shout out to the club. I see some club members 398 00:25:19,995 --> 00:25:23,755 here tonight. But but Brandy was able to carry forth 399 00:25:23,755 --> 00:25:27,370 some wonderful things that had had come before. And I 400 00:25:27,370 --> 00:25:30,570 think in terms of thinking about the future of DC beer, it's really important to 401 00:25:30,570 --> 00:25:34,265 remember the past. So, most most recently, The 402 00:25:34,265 --> 00:25:37,945 Forum at Other Half. And and we have Erica Erica Gaedrick here 403 00:25:37,945 --> 00:25:41,700 tonight. Shout out to Erica. So Love you, Erica. I 404 00:25:41,700 --> 00:25:44,470 I wanna set I wanna set Brandy up for success. We have some 405 00:25:47,375 --> 00:25:50,995 some successes we're repeating, with with Andy's Pizza 406 00:25:51,135 --> 00:25:54,970 and with Erica being here. But, Brandy, tell us a little bit about the 407 00:25:54,970 --> 00:25:58,730 just past recent success you've had. Thanks, 408 00:25:58,730 --> 00:26:02,429 Mike. Thanks, Erica. Love you so much. So much. 409 00:26:02,775 --> 00:26:06,455 So much. I had been friends with Erica for quite a while, 410 00:26:06,455 --> 00:26:09,975 and and if you guys don't know Erica, you know Erica. Never mind. That was 411 00:26:09,975 --> 00:26:13,720 a dumb question. Go see her. That was dumb. That was dumb. Those of you 412 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,559 listening to the podcast who have listeners. If you haven't met Erica, 413 00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:21,075 she's amazing. Google it. You'll figure it out. Get to h Street Sundays, 414 00:26:21,135 --> 00:26:24,975 Granville Morse. That's true. She's over at Granville Morse now. So, because 415 00:26:24,975 --> 00:26:28,460 I knew Erica from the days where I worked at that the distillery. And so 416 00:26:28,460 --> 00:26:31,340 when I worked there, I did tastings at craft beer cellar and I was like 417 00:26:31,340 --> 00:26:35,020 Erica is dope as shit. I love Erica so much. And so 418 00:26:35,020 --> 00:26:38,455 when I moved over to DC beer, I realized she everyone in the beer 419 00:26:38,455 --> 00:26:41,975 industry obviously loves and knows Erica. And so when 420 00:26:41,975 --> 00:26:45,595 she ended up doing, an a women's 421 00:26:46,110 --> 00:26:49,870 panel forum round table thing. It wasn't really a panel but, 422 00:26:50,030 --> 00:26:53,150 the way that she set it up which was brilliant and I hope to continue 423 00:26:53,150 --> 00:26:56,895 that forever and ever. But I I attended that one as a 424 00:26:56,895 --> 00:27:00,735 guest, and I was like, this was so amazing because it was women and 425 00:27:00,735 --> 00:27:03,875 beer. And and not just, you know, 426 00:27:04,175 --> 00:27:07,970 this, you know, like, oh, what do women like to drink kind of thing 427 00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:11,750 or like, you know, it it's it was highlighting 428 00:27:11,890 --> 00:27:15,725 different aspects of different roles that women have 429 00:27:15,725 --> 00:27:19,245 in the industry. And the way that she did it was it was 430 00:27:19,245 --> 00:27:23,080 so inspiring that it inspired me. And then she 431 00:27:23,140 --> 00:27:26,980 actually legit cried. I'm not lying. I cried when 432 00:27:26,980 --> 00:27:30,760 I found out that the following year after attending the previous 433 00:27:30,820 --> 00:27:34,475 year's event, she invited me to be a panelist, 434 00:27:34,615 --> 00:27:37,975 like to be one of the speakers. I'm like, really? Just me? I just take 435 00:27:37,975 --> 00:27:41,700 pictures for DC beer. And so that inspired 436 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,280 me so tremendously. I I I can't even I 437 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,905 cried. I got goosebumps. I still get goosebumps thinking about it. That 438 00:27:48,905 --> 00:27:52,665 was such a wonderful event. I left that 439 00:27:52,665 --> 00:27:56,419 evening and immediately created the women's brew culture club. And I brainstormed 440 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,039 names with the guys. I'm like, guys, what do you think? And I was like, 441 00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:02,480 I wanna do alliteration and stuff like that. And, 442 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:06,804 we came up with a name. And when 443 00:28:07,105 --> 00:28:10,945 Erica left the craft beer cellar, I was like, well, who's gonna do 444 00:28:10,945 --> 00:28:14,710 this? And so I took it upon myself 445 00:28:14,850 --> 00:28:18,230 to do it. Thanks to Matt Splein over other half who I also 446 00:28:18,370 --> 00:28:21,585 love in different ways. And 447 00:28:21,825 --> 00:28:25,125 Whoo. Ow. Ow. 448 00:28:27,424 --> 00:28:31,020 And so I I kinda took over the event. 449 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,980 And, when I was able to get, 450 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,345 so many folks to join the panelist, it was the most diverse panel to 451 00:28:38,345 --> 00:28:41,945 date. And it, you know, folks flew in the 452 00:28:41,945 --> 00:28:45,390 Berry Godmother flew in to from Georgia just to come to this 453 00:28:45,390 --> 00:28:48,450 panel. It made me feel so 454 00:28:48,910 --> 00:28:52,350 proud. And just having the group of women and non 455 00:28:52,350 --> 00:28:55,775 binary folk that come to the events, it just it seems 456 00:28:55,775 --> 00:28:59,535 like this community is growing. And not only have I helped build 457 00:28:59,535 --> 00:29:03,380 the DC beer community, and we are always 1000 percent. 458 00:29:03,380 --> 00:29:06,600 We will never stop supporting our local businesses, 459 00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:10,440 1,000 percent, especially our black owned breweries, 460 00:29:10,865 --> 00:29:13,765 our women owned breweries, our our yes. 461 00:29:14,385 --> 00:29:17,375 And I having 462 00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:22,470 having communities, building groups of communities, and then bringing them 463 00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:26,225 all together is the best possible 464 00:29:26,284 --> 00:29:29,885 solution that we could ever have. Mhmm. And 465 00:29:29,885 --> 00:29:33,725 we support each other. We give each other good words. We say, oh, well, 466 00:29:33,725 --> 00:29:37,389 maybe you can work on that. You know, fix a flavor of that. Like, because 467 00:29:37,389 --> 00:29:40,929 we're your friends. Right? And having somebody 468 00:29:41,149 --> 00:29:44,049 on your on your team and behind your back 469 00:29:45,315 --> 00:29:48,835 is the best asset that any of us can give all of you. And we 470 00:29:48,835 --> 00:29:52,595 all do. We all love all of you guys. Like Jasmine and Andrew here 471 00:29:52,595 --> 00:29:56,420 from Lakewood Intrusion. Yes. And Lauren is 472 00:29:56,420 --> 00:29:58,920 gonna open her own brewery. I'm so excited. 473 00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:05,075 So it's it's such a wonderful community, and 474 00:30:05,075 --> 00:30:08,755 I couldn't be more excited to continue building the 475 00:30:08,755 --> 00:30:12,550 women's brew culture club and having other events and bringing 476 00:30:12,550 --> 00:30:16,230 that all together. Well said. Yeah. Yeah. I'm so glad you called 477 00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:19,945 out Liquid Intrusion Brewing Company because, I 478 00:30:20,025 --> 00:30:23,865 I'm Gang gang. I'm a massive massive fan of their south of DC 479 00:30:23,865 --> 00:30:27,625 cream ale, wonderful beer. Go to dcbrew.com, check out a 480 00:30:27,625 --> 00:30:30,112 stein compares and contrast. I did that. I did that. Other half had a cream 481 00:30:30,112 --> 00:30:30,870 ale, so you have a very large brewer. DC's biggest, that other half. And then 482 00:30:30,870 --> 00:30:31,850 an a a wonderful, 483 00:30:36,945 --> 00:30:40,705 brewery. But but I have to say that DC as a city, we are 484 00:30:40,705 --> 00:30:44,325 always small but mighty, reflecting our our brewing community. 485 00:30:44,409 --> 00:30:47,610 Right? So we have a dozen breweries in the city, but we have some wonderful 486 00:30:47,610 --> 00:30:51,370 ones here. And we're so excited, for Urban Garden. We just broke the news 487 00:30:51,370 --> 00:30:54,885 that Urban Garden. Yeah. Shout out to Urban Garden. We just broke the news that 488 00:30:54,885 --> 00:30:58,485 they signed their lease. Normally, Jake breaks the 489 00:30:58,485 --> 00:31:02,320 news. I was scoot. On this Scoop, Brandy broke the news. So 490 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,080 so Brandy put her reporter hat on, and and Jake and I followed 491 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,545 up. So we love bringing you fresh news. So thank you for report 492 00:31:09,985 --> 00:31:12,925 for supporting us so that we can do the reporting. 493 00:31:13,865 --> 00:31:17,465 But I'm I'm so excited for Urban Garden Brewing to open 494 00:31:17,465 --> 00:31:21,240 up. And, you know, in DC, that's so important, but it's also happening around 495 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,080 the world. There's a a brewery in South Africa. The first, black 496 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,835 owned, woman owned brewery in South Africa opened not that long ago. So 497 00:31:28,894 --> 00:31:32,654 DC is lucky as a city to have connections around 498 00:31:32,654 --> 00:31:36,149 the globe, to these historic firsts. So we're super 499 00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:39,529 grateful for that, super grateful for you for supporting. 500 00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:43,804 Jake, I I wanna hear what what your take is. Are are we 501 00:31:43,804 --> 00:31:47,485 unique DC, or do I just think we are because we're here 502 00:31:47,485 --> 00:31:51,049 now with Well, before you says that, I I would just be remiss because we 503 00:31:51,049 --> 00:31:54,490 just talked about liquid intrusion to not acknowledge that they are also the 504 00:31:54,490 --> 00:31:57,630 first black woman owned to own. Come on. 505 00:31:57,995 --> 00:32:01,755 Yes. CG County and it unless we forget Maryland. 506 00:32:01,755 --> 00:32:05,115 So I I just wanna put that out there. Thank you for that question. You 507 00:32:05,115 --> 00:32:08,950 know, words matter. But alright. 100%. 100%. Part of 508 00:32:08,950 --> 00:32:11,910 a global movement. I gave you time to think. Now it's up to you. No. 509 00:32:11,910 --> 00:32:14,905 No. Thank you. I think that, like, this this whole last, like, 5, 10 minutes 510 00:32:14,905 --> 00:32:18,705 or so has been, like, a very good transition to where we're coming 511 00:32:18,705 --> 00:32:21,525 from and where we're going, 512 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,960 And I think I can say this as a white dude up 513 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,800 here. I mean, Stein and I like, we're fish 514 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,335 in water. It's been a very long time since 515 00:32:33,555 --> 00:32:37,075 I have never not known craft beer. Like, I've been 516 00:32:37,075 --> 00:32:40,820 drinking, like, I grew up in New York City, my dad came home with a 517 00:32:40,820 --> 00:32:44,580 6 pack of Brooklyn Lager, by the way, Garrett Oliver, black owned. 518 00:32:44,580 --> 00:32:48,315 Yeah. Shut up. Michael James Jackson Foundation. Oh, hey. 519 00:32:48,375 --> 00:32:52,154 That's pretty good. You know, and this was in like the mid nineties 520 00:32:53,270 --> 00:32:57,110 and you know, we've come a long way. You put like craft beer 521 00:32:57,110 --> 00:33:00,549 enthusiast into mid journey or some AI thing right 522 00:33:00,549 --> 00:33:04,375 now and it spits out a white guy with a beard and 523 00:33:04,375 --> 00:33:07,895 a plaid shirt and dead ass. I own that 524 00:33:07,895 --> 00:33:11,049 same plaid shirt that it's spitting out. 525 00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:15,990 And so, like, yeah, I guess on one hand I feel a 526 00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:19,725 little attacked, but on the other like that 527 00:33:19,725 --> 00:33:23,404 the the action isn't here for me. 528 00:33:23,404 --> 00:33:26,970 It's not from Mike. Every white person who's 529 00:33:26,970 --> 00:33:30,750 listening to this show already knows about craft beer. 530 00:33:31,929 --> 00:33:35,455 We want to give shout outs to Anne at Lost Generation, Asian American 531 00:33:35,455 --> 00:33:37,995 Pacific Islanders. Woo. 532 00:33:38,895 --> 00:33:41,875 Yeah. My favorite part of them. Right? 533 00:33:42,335 --> 00:33:45,910 Drew Drew and Jasmine over at liquid 534 00:33:45,970 --> 00:33:49,730 intrusion. I mean, you go you go to an event at 535 00:33:49,730 --> 00:33:53,495 Metro Bar for black owned breweries, 2 February is now, and it's 536 00:33:53,495 --> 00:33:57,174 been the line has been 1 in 1 out. Around the block. Yes. 537 00:33:57,174 --> 00:34:00,770 Yeah. Yes. I mean, the the future of beer is not 538 00:34:00,770 --> 00:34:04,550 me, and that's a it's a super super 539 00:34:04,690 --> 00:34:08,530 cool thing to see. And we get Yeah. The future the future is here and 540 00:34:08,530 --> 00:34:11,195 now. I think that's the point. And so we're living it out in real time. 541 00:34:11,195 --> 00:34:14,875 You know, outside of of my DC beer work, I 542 00:34:14,875 --> 00:34:18,609 have lost lagers. We are the premier beverage research firm in 543 00:34:18,609 --> 00:34:22,449 DC. Lost Lagers. What's up? I was about 544 00:34:22,449 --> 00:34:26,185 to touch the vet. Peter Jones is in the audience. So thank thank Pete 545 00:34:26,185 --> 00:34:29,784 for, discover discovering the recipe for senate. We 546 00:34:29,784 --> 00:34:33,380 have lovely tasty cold senates all around town. But the 547 00:34:33,380 --> 00:34:37,140 reality of public history is that we we people don't know 548 00:34:37,140 --> 00:34:40,660 we're living history just day to day. You know, Monday through 549 00:34:40,660 --> 00:34:44,095 Friday, you're you're going to work, getting your kids, seeing your partner, 550 00:34:44,475 --> 00:34:48,315 whatever it is. You know, day in, day out, we don't realize 551 00:34:48,315 --> 00:34:52,159 we're living history, but this is a great time to be alive. It's the best 552 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:55,219 time to be a beer lover, I would argue. 553 00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:59,839 And so we're super grateful for you all joining us here as we celebrate 554 00:34:59,839 --> 00:35:02,885 this historic 100th episode. Hey. 555 00:35:04,785 --> 00:35:07,685 Just as as as as grateful, 556 00:35:08,625 --> 00:35:12,039 you know, just hosts, writers, content 557 00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:15,799 creators, and otherwise, dynasty and shout out to 558 00:35:15,799 --> 00:35:19,395 Bitter Fruit as well. We were able to create our 1st collaboration, 559 00:35:20,415 --> 00:35:23,055 beer collab. So hopefully, some of you guys got your hands on the People's Pale. 560 00:35:23,055 --> 00:35:26,380 We dropped back in January. And we we hope to be able to collab in 561 00:35:26,380 --> 00:35:30,140 the future as well. Right? So again, that's that's credit to the community that 562 00:35:30,140 --> 00:35:33,945 you guys have supported us and helped us create, in doing that. So 563 00:35:33,945 --> 00:35:36,505 I just want to give a special shout out to Favio and Dynasty, the whole 564 00:35:36,505 --> 00:35:40,185 Dynasty family, Lauren, all of you all, thank you guys so, so, 565 00:35:40,185 --> 00:35:44,030 so, so very much, for that. And if you have any 566 00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:47,870 questions and or recommendations, especially from our Patreon members, of some of the things you 567 00:35:47,870 --> 00:35:50,385 might like to see more, because again, we wanna continue to grow. Like, we don't, 568 00:35:50,385 --> 00:35:52,945 don't, we don't want to sunset this thing, right? We want this thing to continue 569 00:35:52,945 --> 00:35:56,565 to grow. So, all, I think that feedback could be beneficial to us, 570 00:35:57,105 --> 00:36:00,270 because again, I mean, this is a community. We, you guys don't work for us 571 00:36:00,270 --> 00:36:03,150 and we don't necessarily work for you, but we want to work to provide you 572 00:36:03,150 --> 00:36:06,885 what you guys are looking for. So we got Scoops and we got Stein and 573 00:36:06,885 --> 00:36:10,405 we got, we got Brandy who is like Wonder Woman doing all the things. You 574 00:36:10,405 --> 00:36:13,065 got me, I might just pop up on you and drink all your hazy IPAs. 575 00:36:13,125 --> 00:36:16,060 So you just never know. But, again, we wanna get good feedback and get questions 576 00:36:16,060 --> 00:36:19,660 for you guys. Do trivia. I do trivia. Mhmm. And game 577 00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:23,214 night. Mhmm. I do some games. Y'all, he does games and trivia. So go to 578 00:36:23,214 --> 00:36:26,674 those man, Scott. That's all. Yeah. Scott. Hey. We do some hikes too. 579 00:36:27,375 --> 00:36:30,595 Yeah. If you ever if you ever wanna get outside and know Harvey Wilder Foundation. 580 00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:34,310 That's right. Yeah. You know, I know. Hello. This is not about Jordan. This is 581 00:36:34,310 --> 00:36:37,589 about this is about all of us. But, yeah, shout out to all of the 582 00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:40,735 the DC beer folks that have supported us in the hiking, the trivia, 583 00:36:41,535 --> 00:36:45,215 the trivia aspect, and also just the women brew culture aspect. Because I 584 00:36:45,215 --> 00:36:48,980 mean, we've created these, like, sub pockets because these are things that we like to 585 00:36:48,980 --> 00:36:52,280 do in general and it's nice to find other people that agree with us. Right? 586 00:36:52,340 --> 00:36:54,980 So we do those things because we love to do those things and also we 587 00:36:54,980 --> 00:36:58,724 appreciate you all supporting. But anyway, if anyone has a question, my 588 00:36:58,724 --> 00:37:02,405 microphone will be the question microphone. So please, Greg, 589 00:37:02,405 --> 00:37:04,984 come on up, good sir. Ask your question. 590 00:37:06,430 --> 00:37:09,950 Don't ask what my favorite hop is because it changes by the week. Alright. Here 591 00:37:09,950 --> 00:37:13,390 we go. So and you guys may not know this, but because you're tapped into 592 00:37:13,390 --> 00:37:17,125 the beer scene, maybe you have an insight on it. But, with the rising cost 593 00:37:17,125 --> 00:37:20,885 of rents, the rising cost of materials to make beer, how do you see small 594 00:37:20,885 --> 00:37:24,565 breweries actually surviving, thriving, and staying around 595 00:37:24,565 --> 00:37:28,160 in D. C. How do you see the beer scene here 596 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,840 evolving in that? So here's a fun 597 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,565 thing. I get emails from a landlord 598 00:37:35,565 --> 00:37:39,405 in Silver Spring every so often who tells me that a brew pub 599 00:37:39,405 --> 00:37:42,569 is available just off maybe on let's say 600 00:37:43,376 --> 00:37:46,970 East Shmishtresht shy way. Oh, yeah. 601 00:37:47,029 --> 00:37:50,815 Okay. Okay. Yeah. Right. And 602 00:37:50,815 --> 00:37:54,575 so, it was probably email 603 00:37:54,575 --> 00:37:57,395 3 or 4 where I finally wrote back and was like, 604 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,740 you had a renter. Right? 605 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,220 And so, yes, rents are rising. 606 00:38:06,855 --> 00:38:10,535 Why are they rising so so much in 607 00:38:10,535 --> 00:38:13,515 conjunction with a bunch of other 608 00:38:14,270 --> 00:38:18,110 brewery inputs. Think of the cost of cans. Think of the 609 00:38:18,110 --> 00:38:21,470 cost of hops. Think of the cost of grains and of 610 00:38:21,470 --> 00:38:25,165 shipping that all over. You can 611 00:38:25,165 --> 00:38:28,845 certainly be a landlord and you can make 612 00:38:28,845 --> 00:38:32,450 money. The question to me really is 613 00:38:33,310 --> 00:38:37,069 can you make as much money as you used 614 00:38:37,069 --> 00:38:40,734 to off of that rent in terms 615 00:38:40,875 --> 00:38:44,494 of breweries and brew pubs or 616 00:38:44,795 --> 00:38:48,640 is are our tax codes such that it's 617 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,000 easier for it to be depreciated asset. You could write it 618 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,260 down. You could take a loss, 619 00:38:55,984 --> 00:38:59,605 And so, to some extent, I feel like it's it's almost not 620 00:38:59,744 --> 00:39:03,285 up to the folks who want to either start brewing 621 00:39:03,345 --> 00:39:06,550 or continue brewing, so much as it is 622 00:39:06,770 --> 00:39:08,390 higher up the chain. 623 00:39:10,290 --> 00:39:13,925 Beer is an agricultural product. It's 624 00:39:13,925 --> 00:39:17,765 going to cost more as everything else costs 625 00:39:17,765 --> 00:39:21,125 more. I've got 2 kids. I buy peanut butter at the grocery 626 00:39:21,125 --> 00:39:24,510 store. I don't like how much it costs either, but 627 00:39:25,050 --> 00:39:28,730 we gotta eat. Right. And I like beer and I 628 00:39:28,730 --> 00:39:32,435 need to make sure that on the other side of whatever 629 00:39:32,575 --> 00:39:35,795 this is, my locals make it out. 630 00:39:36,655 --> 00:39:40,220 And so that we, you know, we all survive. And and so to that point, 631 00:39:40,619 --> 00:39:43,900 I I think there's a I think that's an answer to the question. And I 632 00:39:43,900 --> 00:39:47,505 guess my answer to the question would be, we all 633 00:39:47,505 --> 00:39:51,265 have a finite amount of money, right? Everyone in this room. And 634 00:39:51,265 --> 00:39:53,985 I'm not saying it's up to everyone in this room, but I think it's up 635 00:39:53,985 --> 00:39:57,790 to us to spread the word to people outside of this 636 00:39:57,790 --> 00:40:01,630 room because I'm trying to try not to be long winded because I I 637 00:40:01,630 --> 00:40:05,185 think Papa Bear has something to say. But as as folks who break the 638 00:40:05,185 --> 00:40:08,625 news, our greatest hits are when breweries are 639 00:40:08,625 --> 00:40:12,145 closing. It shouldn't be we we shouldn't wait till the last 640 00:40:12,145 --> 00:40:15,920 or after the last minute to try to support a brewery. I I 641 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,440 I've always loved Hellbender, and I myself, I'm guilty of not going to Hellbender every 642 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,893 week. I mean, a, I can't afford it, and b, it's not in my it's 643 00:40:22,893 --> 00:40:26,180 just not in my neck of the woods. But the breweries that are in your 644 00:40:26,180 --> 00:40:29,810 neck of the woods, the breweries that are in your your bikable, walkable, 645 00:40:30,110 --> 00:40:33,950 Uberable metro area, whatever, we have to be the people to 646 00:40:33,950 --> 00:40:37,414 support them because they don't last if we don't drink their 647 00:40:37,414 --> 00:40:41,255 products or purchase their products. So I think, how do I 648 00:40:41,255 --> 00:40:44,934 see them surviving? We continue to do the work we 649 00:40:44,934 --> 00:40:48,670 do in encouraging other folks to drink local and to drink craft. But also, 650 00:40:48,670 --> 00:40:52,190 we need other folks to at least be interested in it. And I 651 00:40:52,190 --> 00:40:55,905 understand people's habits change. Right? I think people are 652 00:40:55,905 --> 00:40:59,665 releasing nonalcoholic beer to kinda to battle that. Right? Because everyone doesn't wanna 653 00:40:59,665 --> 00:41:02,310 drink every night, which is fine. That's safe. It might not be the healthiest thing 654 00:41:02,310 --> 00:41:05,830 to drink every night. I'll still do it. Forgive me. My point is, I think 655 00:41:05,830 --> 00:41:08,230 we have a lot of work to do to get the word out and to 656 00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:12,025 encourage folks to support those local businesses because a 657 00:41:12,025 --> 00:41:15,865 sign of a healthy neighborhood is having a brewery there. So when our breweries 658 00:41:15,865 --> 00:41:19,670 are closing, we are essentially kind of failing or allowing the neighborhood to fail 659 00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:23,510 or and or take a dip before a new brewery comes 660 00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:25,755 in if that happens. So I think that's just some of the things that we 661 00:41:25,755 --> 00:41:28,995 have to do as as consumers to do, and we'll continue to do the work 662 00:41:28,995 --> 00:41:32,750 we do as, promoters to do. I'm gonna step in real quick 663 00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:35,710 because it that this is that's a good top it's a good question. It's a 664 00:41:35,710 --> 00:41:39,470 good topic. In a in a very recent episode of the DC Beer 665 00:41:39,470 --> 00:41:42,875 Show, Brandy and Jake and Mike were talking 666 00:41:42,875 --> 00:41:46,655 about food and beer. And and they they all 667 00:41:46,795 --> 00:41:49,775 generally agreed that they will drink 668 00:41:50,460 --> 00:41:54,140 okay beer if the food is really really really good. And 669 00:41:54,140 --> 00:41:57,200 if the if the beer is great but the food is 670 00:41:57,515 --> 00:42:00,555 okay, they'll pick up the beer and take it home. Both of those are great 671 00:42:00,555 --> 00:42:04,015 solutions. They both support, the local brewery. 672 00:42:04,395 --> 00:42:08,000 But, some of you may know, last year, I moved to 673 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,780 Tennessee. I don't live in the DC metro area anymore 674 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,455 and I'm talking to a lot of brewers and a lot of craft, 675 00:42:15,455 --> 00:42:18,915 you know, brewing companies in East Tennessee, 676 00:42:20,095 --> 00:42:23,910 all the way to Asheville. Basically from Nashville to Asheville 677 00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:27,750 is the way I describe my new range, right? And 678 00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:30,810 what I'm hearing more and more and more and more is 679 00:42:31,155 --> 00:42:34,915 that brewery owners are recognizing that they have 680 00:42:34,915 --> 00:42:38,595 to provide that there has to be good food options. That it has to be 681 00:42:38,595 --> 00:42:42,279 a brew pub model because they just serving beer 682 00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:46,020 for a lot of folks is just not enough to keep people coming 683 00:42:46,020 --> 00:42:49,380 back for a lot of the reasons that Jordan talked about. Like, you just can't 684 00:42:49,380 --> 00:42:52,915 drink every night. I mean, you can. Probably shouldn't. You 685 00:42:52,915 --> 00:42:56,595 know? And it's hard to maintain, especially because there's 686 00:42:56,595 --> 00:43:00,250 so many craft breweries. There's a lot of competition. 687 00:43:00,550 --> 00:43:04,390 So I'm I'm you know, my thinking is that that tying 688 00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:07,915 beer and and craft breweries closer to food 689 00:43:08,295 --> 00:43:11,974 is is gonna be what more and more breweries start to do to 690 00:43:11,974 --> 00:43:15,800 really give people reasons to come in. Is there another question? That was a good 691 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,400 question, Greg. Thank you. Anybody else? 692 00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,940 Kim. Okay. Women's brew culture clue. 693 00:43:26,215 --> 00:43:29,515 And the beer heads Facebook group. Lost and found everybody. 694 00:43:29,735 --> 00:43:33,430 Yes. So my question is, we're getting into the summer 695 00:43:33,970 --> 00:43:35,910 and, you know, we've gone through, 696 00:43:37,970 --> 00:43:41,510 sours. We went through the IPA phase. So what's the next 697 00:43:42,555 --> 00:43:44,095 big thing? Kolsch. 698 00:43:46,395 --> 00:43:49,890 It is. Cream ales. I I'm I'm I'm 699 00:43:49,890 --> 00:43:53,410 with Andrew. I'm with Drew over here. Yeah. 700 00:43:53,410 --> 00:43:56,995 Cream ale. You know, it's a great question. What's the next big 701 00:43:56,995 --> 00:44:00,835 thing? We've seen cycles with super popular styles. It's not 702 00:44:00,835 --> 00:44:04,355 hazy IPAs? That's not the next big thing. Moment. So I 703 00:44:04,355 --> 00:44:07,900 think the the the truth of the matter is 704 00:44:07,900 --> 00:44:11,579 markets within markets. And if cream ale does 705 00:44:11,579 --> 00:44:15,375 really well, a brewery would be wise to keep making it. 706 00:44:15,775 --> 00:44:19,535 IPA, everybody says IPA is king, which I'm not crazy 707 00:44:19,535 --> 00:44:23,290 about, but the retail dollars don't lie. It 708 00:44:23,290 --> 00:44:26,590 is what it is. You know? That being said, lagers, 709 00:44:26,890 --> 00:44:30,650 definitely on the rise. You know, the the best 710 00:44:30,650 --> 00:44:34,315 selling lagers in America, are not at 711 00:44:34,315 --> 00:44:37,835 threat from the smaller craft breweries. We've 712 00:44:37,835 --> 00:44:41,214 seen Modelo outsell Bud Light. 713 00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:45,120 You know, the that that was the story of of last year. The biggest threat 714 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,420 to Bud Light was Modelo, which was under the imports 715 00:44:49,825 --> 00:44:53,445 blanket canopy tent. But imports, really, 716 00:44:53,505 --> 00:44:57,345 nobody's touching, Mexico right now. Germany's nowhere near 717 00:44:57,345 --> 00:45:01,090 it. The Czechs are nowhere near it. Italy's nowhere near it. So imports 718 00:45:01,090 --> 00:45:04,770 has been folded in under the Mexican brand. I'm totally nerding out right now. I 719 00:45:04,770 --> 00:45:08,345 realize I'm in, like, Nielsen data IRI mode. Let me just turn this 720 00:45:08,345 --> 00:45:12,125 over. What's the next big style to answer Kim's question? 721 00:45:12,265 --> 00:45:15,280 So I just kinda like rudely yelled out Kosch because 722 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,680 I'm biased towards Kosch, but actually I think the answer might be 723 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,095 closer to what, to where Jordan is. Maybe not 724 00:45:23,095 --> 00:45:26,934 necessarily hazy IPA, but I think of a beer kind of like 3 Floyd's 725 00:45:26,934 --> 00:45:30,775 gumball head where it's like it's an American wheat ale, but it's 726 00:45:30,775 --> 00:45:34,600 aggressively hops and, you know, comes in under 5a 727 00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,360 half, 6%, and to me that would kind of 728 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,055 capture, I think, where people are. Are you sure it's not 729 00:45:42,055 --> 00:45:45,355 the pickle beer that you brought to me? No. No. 730 00:45:46,215 --> 00:45:49,915 I'm not mad. That was good. But I like pickles. 731 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,280 Yeah. Pickles. Brandy and I will go to restaurants and, like, we have, like, if 732 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,975 we see the pickle plate, like, we're on it. We want Yes. We want 733 00:45:57,975 --> 00:46:01,435 pickles, we'll drink we'll drink pickle juice, we do the pickle backs. 734 00:46:02,055 --> 00:46:04,775 What about the pickle beer for those that don't have it? Yeah. Dude, the pickle 735 00:46:04,775 --> 00:46:08,560 beer was delicious. Wait, who brought that? So I brought a pickled beer at 736 00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:12,480 That was Cliff. Hey Cliff. What's up? Thank you. Yeah. So Cliff brought a pickle 737 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,299 beer To Texas. To the last beer share, 738 00:46:16,205 --> 00:46:19,665 best made which is a popular pickle brand out of Texas. 739 00:46:20,205 --> 00:46:23,645 There's another Texas brewery, Donna's Pickle 740 00:46:23,645 --> 00:46:27,310 Beer, and really what they're doing is they're making a Radler, 741 00:46:27,450 --> 00:46:30,890 but instead of adding lemonade, they're 742 00:46:30,890 --> 00:46:34,205 adding pickle juice. It's super 743 00:46:34,425 --> 00:46:38,125 refreshing if you're into it, if that makes you gag. 744 00:46:38,745 --> 00:46:42,520 I like I kinda understand where you're coming from, but like my favorite 745 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,980 Gatorade flavor is that like cucumber melonie one. 746 00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,395 I really like Yeah. I did Yeah. You could I feel like I should cut 747 00:46:50,395 --> 00:46:53,914 him off down. Hannibal Buress dot I feel like I need to to cut 748 00:46:53,914 --> 00:46:57,595 Jake off now. I'm gonna jump in, pop a 749 00:46:57,595 --> 00:47:01,020 beer back one last time, because That's what he said. 750 00:47:02,020 --> 00:47:05,820 I've been He's back. I've been talking again to a lot of different brewers and 751 00:47:05,820 --> 00:47:09,635 and I I think I I have a different opinion than most of these 752 00:47:09,635 --> 00:47:13,415 folks. I think what we're really gonna start seeing a proliferation of is, 753 00:47:14,115 --> 00:47:17,609 NA beers and session beers. Beers under 4%. 754 00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:21,510 Mhmm. NA beers 2%, you know, or 755 00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:25,245 less. I will interject right 756 00:47:25,245 --> 00:47:28,865 now and say, good point, Richard. The only positive 757 00:47:29,005 --> 00:47:32,445 growth trend in the whole pie right now for all of 758 00:47:32,445 --> 00:47:36,150 beer is NA beer. Yes. Yeah. So that's factually 759 00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:39,990 accurate. And more and more brewers, I mean, we know DC brow, there's a 760 00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:43,835 lot of local other half, who are making high quality 761 00:47:44,055 --> 00:47:47,815 tasty NA beers. Like, I'm lumping 762 00:47:47,815 --> 00:47:51,655 it all together. Like like, beers so I was I was 763 00:47:51,655 --> 00:47:55,400 recently in a brewery who, in East Tennessee who had 764 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,240 just brought in a new head of brewing operations and they had sort of 765 00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:03,015 a meet and greet and I went and and the the new head 766 00:48:03,015 --> 00:48:06,775 of brewery operation said, hey, everybody who's here to meet me, what 767 00:48:06,775 --> 00:48:10,535 do you want? And I was shocked at the number of people in the room 768 00:48:10,535 --> 00:48:14,370 who were like, I want a session beer. Please make session beer. Stop 769 00:48:14,370 --> 00:48:18,050 making beers that are 7% and nothing else because it's great to come 770 00:48:18,050 --> 00:48:21,855 here for a beer, but, you know, like, that's all I 771 00:48:21,855 --> 00:48:24,895 get to do. If you make a 2 a half percent or a 3% beer, 772 00:48:24,895 --> 00:48:28,550 I can come here and have 4 beers. Yeah. Yeah. And so, I 773 00:48:28,550 --> 00:48:32,310 think that that just from an economic perspective, more and more breweries are gonna start 774 00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:36,075 doing it. Out in the middle of nowhere. So so Greg, Parnas in the audience 775 00:48:36,075 --> 00:48:39,615 asked if that was because the the craft beer demographic is aging. 776 00:48:39,755 --> 00:48:42,815 No. I don't think so at all. I think it's because 777 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:47,400 if you're gonna go to a brewery and drink beer, you're gonna go 778 00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,155 somewhere and have a beer as opposed to bringing it home. Right? You can drink 779 00:48:51,155 --> 00:48:54,535 4 7 percent alcohol beers at home 780 00:48:54,835 --> 00:48:58,220 and that makes you a bad parent. Yeah. 781 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,840 But that's Mhmm. Tastes like the kids are putting themselves to bed. Exactly. But 782 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,800 if you go out to a brewery and do that, that makes you a danger 783 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,335 to the community. So it's we we 784 00:49:09,335 --> 00:49:12,775 talked about community all night long, and that's the 785 00:49:12,775 --> 00:49:16,540 difference. It's it's literally people saying, I I I can come here and have 786 00:49:16,540 --> 00:49:20,000 1 beer and then I have to go home and take a nap. 787 00:49:20,540 --> 00:49:23,920 But if if you have lower if there's lower ABV 788 00:49:24,245 --> 00:49:27,285 beers, then I can come and hang out and play Yahtzee all night long. Right? 789 00:49:27,285 --> 00:49:30,825 Or do trivia or whatever it is. Erica, what do you have for us? 790 00:49:31,365 --> 00:49:33,700 So I will suck at smoked beers, which I yelled 791 00:49:35,700 --> 00:49:38,820 from the back, but maybe you didn't hear me. But, the question that I have 792 00:49:38,820 --> 00:49:40,920 for everyone on the panel is, 793 00:49:42,325 --> 00:49:46,085 admittedly, after I close the store, I've sort of zoned out, not 794 00:49:46,085 --> 00:49:49,785 paying a whole lot of attention to things, which, you know, you need. 795 00:49:49,924 --> 00:49:53,600 But recently, some other store 796 00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,900 owners in other parts of the country mentioned 797 00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,585 that THC and CBD 798 00:50:00,525 --> 00:50:04,365 beverages were accounting for 20% of 799 00:50:04,365 --> 00:50:08,130 their sales. And so I'm wondering if you can talk 800 00:50:08,130 --> 00:50:11,570 to that a little bit, if you see that happening here in 801 00:50:11,570 --> 00:50:13,350 DC. 1. And, 802 00:50:15,855 --> 00:50:19,635 yeah, what the effects on beer will be for that. 803 00:50:21,935 --> 00:50:25,370 Is this a safe space? Next 804 00:50:25,370 --> 00:50:28,830 place. We Yes. And are still recording, Jordan. 805 00:50:28,890 --> 00:50:32,725 Yes. And I know. I know. I know. But I'm I'm only asking 806 00:50:32,725 --> 00:50:35,465 because we might have a representative 807 00:50:36,085 --> 00:50:39,380 that knows of that. Matt's not allowed to speak on that. So, 808 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,839 nevertheless, there are breweries, I think, 809 00:50:43,839 --> 00:50:47,655 that are shifting to that space. Right? I think there's been a concerted effort to 810 00:50:47,655 --> 00:50:51,255 to to do more seltzers, to do more NAs, and also to incorporate some CBD, 811 00:50:51,255 --> 00:50:54,900 THC beers. He's gonna talk, y'all. No. No. 812 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,940 I have them in this. Someone take a picture. 813 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,420 Alright. I don't know if y'all know this person. 814 00:51:02,905 --> 00:51:06,605 But he keeps me, hydrated on Wednesdays. 815 00:51:07,385 --> 00:51:11,029 When we do other half, trivia, I wouldn't be able to do what I do 816 00:51:11,029 --> 00:51:13,210 without this gentleman here. So I'm giving him all the flowers. 817 00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:19,885 Oh my God. I'm a bumper thing so hard. Hey, guys. 818 00:51:20,025 --> 00:51:23,465 So as other half, we 819 00:51:23,465 --> 00:51:26,205 have started working with hemp 820 00:51:26,980 --> 00:51:30,520 THC. We, as a company, recognize, 821 00:51:31,140 --> 00:51:34,820 you know, the industry is diversifying and 822 00:51:34,820 --> 00:51:38,444 not everyone wants 8 to 20 823 00:51:38,585 --> 00:51:41,644 double IPAs a week, which We do. 824 00:51:43,785 --> 00:51:47,420 So we realized, like, we gotta, we gotta refocus. And and part of it is 825 00:51:47,420 --> 00:51:51,260 a, if you look at, like, Other Half's draft list, we're 826 00:51:51,260 --> 00:51:54,885 adding new brand or styles to our our draft list 827 00:51:54,885 --> 00:51:58,105 that other half's not known for. Hefeweizens, seltzers, 828 00:51:58,725 --> 00:52:02,520 coffee milk stout, whatever it is. Mix firm. Mix firm. Well, we've been 829 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,640 working on that. But, you know, that takes years till you can start putting it 830 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,380 out. And we're now Cider. You know, putting that out. 831 00:52:09,625 --> 00:52:13,005 But with that in mind, like, we realized, you 832 00:52:13,305 --> 00:52:17,065 know, you know, Richard said a minute ago that, like, as people 833 00:52:17,065 --> 00:52:20,850 get, you know, age, they don't want lower alcohol. 834 00:52:21,550 --> 00:52:25,150 But as the industry ages, the younger 835 00:52:25,150 --> 00:52:28,865 generation's more calorie conscious and they want, you know, they wanna 836 00:52:28,865 --> 00:52:31,744 watch what they're drinking. They wanna watch what they're eating. They wanna watch what they're 837 00:52:31,744 --> 00:52:35,570 putting in their body. Not everyone wants alcohol in their body. And that's fine. 838 00:52:36,050 --> 00:52:39,810 And with the marijuana movement across this country, more people 839 00:52:39,810 --> 00:52:43,090 wanna smoke. Whoop whoop. And not to say that they wanna smoke more than they 840 00:52:43,090 --> 00:52:46,714 wanna drink, but, you know, there is now something for everyone. 841 00:52:46,855 --> 00:52:50,155 And if a brewery can make something for everyone, 842 00:52:50,694 --> 00:52:54,430 it helps their bottom line. But it also 843 00:52:54,430 --> 00:52:57,970 is, creates a safe space for the whole community in that area 844 00:52:58,030 --> 00:53:01,869 to, you know, come and consume or come and buy. You know, so as a 845 00:53:01,869 --> 00:53:05,425 company, available in the DC tap room, but it's available to order and have delivered 846 00:53:05,425 --> 00:53:05,985 in DC. 847 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,900 It's available to order and have delivered in DC. 848 00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,260 And in the future, once, you know, leg- legislation changes, 849 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:22,035 like if marijuana becomes legal across the country, 850 00:53:22,495 --> 00:53:26,250 well, we won't be using hemp anymore. We'll actually be using bud. Stuff. The 851 00:53:26,250 --> 00:53:27,470 real, the good stuff. 852 00:53:30,650 --> 00:53:34,350 But outside that, like, you know, like as a company, we're focusing 853 00:53:34,410 --> 00:53:38,195 on, you know, every consumer. So, you know, I forget who 854 00:53:38,195 --> 00:53:42,035 mentioned it. Like, we have a great NA, and it took us over 855 00:53:42,035 --> 00:53:44,455 a year to perfect that recipe. And we're still 856 00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:48,490 now, you know, invested in pasteurization tables. So, you know, now, 857 00:53:51,485 --> 00:53:55,325 now, you know, invested in pasteurization tables. So, you know, 858 00:53:55,325 --> 00:53:59,165 now we can start canning our, you know, NA beer. And in, you know, 859 00:53:59,165 --> 00:54:02,750 couple months down the line, we will have that available in cans. We've 860 00:54:02,750 --> 00:54:06,210 got other non alcoholic options coming down the line. 861 00:54:06,350 --> 00:54:09,714 We've got seltzers that don't have THC in them coming down the 862 00:54:09,714 --> 00:54:13,474 line. So, you know, other half, I think, as an 863 00:54:13,474 --> 00:54:17,250 example in this case, they recognize the double 864 00:54:17,250 --> 00:54:20,950 IPA, the triple IPA market, which used to be 865 00:54:21,010 --> 00:54:24,645 so big, has shrunk. And you know, we 866 00:54:24,645 --> 00:54:28,425 want to stay, you know, where we are. So, we want to focus on 867 00:54:28,485 --> 00:54:32,070 every step in that market. And so, it's not only you know, 868 00:54:32,070 --> 00:54:35,830 session IPAs, it's pale ales, it's single IPAs. It's 869 00:54:35,830 --> 00:54:39,665 the seltzers, the alcoholic seltzers, the hemp seltzers, the 870 00:54:39,745 --> 00:54:43,425 THC seltzers, you know, hot teas, hot 871 00:54:43,425 --> 00:54:47,185 water. Like, you know, I just talked with the guys from hot 872 00:54:47,185 --> 00:54:50,680 water and I see Los Jones carry them now. And when I told them that, 873 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,040 oh, we're already working on our own because of what we did 874 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,500 with, Poplar. Thank you. They were like, 875 00:55:00,555 --> 00:55:04,315 oh, shucks. So, but yeah. So, like, you 876 00:55:04,315 --> 00:55:08,060 know, we're as a company, we are focusing on, you know, each level of 877 00:55:08,060 --> 00:55:11,160 that. My friends, the time has come. 878 00:55:12,099 --> 00:55:15,835 Thank you so much for joining us. We need to wrap the show 879 00:55:15,835 --> 00:55:19,515 up because I wanna go have another drink with you guys. So we're 880 00:55:19,515 --> 00:55:22,735 gonna we're gonna say a couple of last words, 881 00:55:23,070 --> 00:55:26,450 closing things, thoughts and such. And you know who does that? 882 00:55:26,750 --> 00:55:30,590 Mike and Jake. Mike and Jake, please take us out. Oh, no. I got nothing. 883 00:55:30,830 --> 00:55:34,365 I end up with, we are dcbeeracrosssocialmedia. Dcbeer.com/patreon. 884 00:55:36,905 --> 00:55:40,205 I wanna thank all of the Patreon members, the industry 885 00:55:40,410 --> 00:55:44,190 guests who are here, Lost Jen, Emily and Andy's Pizza. 886 00:55:45,690 --> 00:55:49,530 We could not do this without you. There would be no DC beer without 887 00:55:49,530 --> 00:55:53,365 breweries and beer drinkers. Yeah. Well, thank you. Thank 888 00:55:53,365 --> 00:55:55,545 you. I wanna say thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 889 00:55:59,579 --> 00:56:03,180 Go support all the small business owners who are literally in 890 00:56:03,180 --> 00:56:06,619 this room. So many small businesses owners here. We have Lion 891 00:56:06,619 --> 00:56:10,275 Hall, Liquid Intrusion, Dynasty, lost lager. 892 00:56:10,275 --> 00:56:13,954 Mesa Blendery. Vieza. Hey, Alex back there. Like, we have 893 00:56:13,954 --> 00:56:17,700 Sapwood here. I mean, really at Ravenhook, we 894 00:56:17,700 --> 00:56:20,599 have my my beer my bread buddy over there. 895 00:56:21,300 --> 00:56:24,119 Please go support local businesses. 896 00:56:25,525 --> 00:56:29,365 Cheers. Thank you. Oh. Hey, 897 00:56:29,365 --> 00:56:31,785 Josh Chapman. We see you too. Love you.