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Travis Bader: Show me your friends,
and I'll show you who you are.

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That's a saying that's stuck
with me for a long time.

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The importance of community
cannot be overstated.

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In fact, there's an 80 year study Done by
Harvard, where they looked at people from

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all different backgrounds and beliefs.

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And they found that the number one
predictor of happiness in their

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lives was strong social connections.

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The people that you surround yourself
with and the depths of those relationships

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have a lasting impact on your life.

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And it's not just our
connection with others.

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It directly influences how
we connect with ourselves.

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And with the natural world around us.

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Today, I'm sitting down with my
good friend, Chance Burrells.

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After suffering both physical and
psychological trauma from an IED explosion

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that occurred underneath his vehicle,
he's been on a long road to recovery.

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In our conversation, Chance shares how
becoming more mindful of his mental and

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emotional state has not only just helped
him heal, but it's helped him connect with

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nature and be a more successful hunter.

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He talks about how being truly present and
in tune with your surroundings Can have a

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direct impact on the animals around you.

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It's a fascinating insight on how
your energy and your emotions can have

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an influence on your natural world.

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If you enjoy what you hear today,
you've got to check out The Collective.

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It's a podcast at Chance co
founded with Sean Taylor.

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And I should probably
refine that a little bit.

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Cause it's not just a podcast.

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It's a place where hard charging men
and women will come together to tackle

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big issues and try to better themselves
And those around them, I put a link in

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the bio for you to check that one out.

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If you want to deepen your connection
with nature and build your skills

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in the outdoors, make sure to
check out the Silvercore club.

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Now, without further ado,
let's get on with the podcast.

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Today's guest is an ex combat
engineer who has dedicated his

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post military career to supporting
fellow veterans through the power of

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shared experience and storytelling.

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Alongside former JTF2 sniper, Sean Taylor,
he embarked on an ambitious mission

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to produce one high quality podcast
every single day for an entire year.

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Featuring dynamic and driven
professionals together, they aim

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to inspire, inform, and ignite the
spirit of perseverance and success

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in the veteran community and beyond.

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Welcome to the Silvercore
podcast, Chance Burrells.

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Chance Burles: And my pleasure being here.

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That's a beautiful intro.

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I really liked that.

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I might have to steal it from you.

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Travis Bader: Well, I'm not going to lie.

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AI did help a little bit on that one.

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I typed it up, got it looking how I
wanted and then pumped it into a AI.

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I said, can you make me sound better?

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Chance Burles: Better.

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That's the beautiful part about AI.

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I've used it a few times now for,
for the collective and it really

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helps just, you know, crystallize
some of the words you want to use.

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And it has a much larger vocabulary
range than most people do.

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So you get that.

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You know, it uses words like
bombastic and things like that, you

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know, like, it's like, all right,

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Travis Bader: cool.

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It makes me sound better.

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I'm down with it.

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Bombastic.

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Yeah.

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I think it was Scrooge McDuck
who, uh, there was the first

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time I heard about that one.

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I think it was Bombastium was the
element that he created and it was

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like ice cream with like any different
flavor that he could use it for.

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Bombastic.

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Yes.

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Chance Burles: Bringing it
back to the eighties cartoons.

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I

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Travis Bader: love

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Chance Burles: it.

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Travis Bader: Oh, this was a comic book.

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It's like, Oh,

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Chance Burles: even older.

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Travis Bader: I love it.

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You've made the road trip all the way
down to beautiful British Columbia.

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And I'm betting, can't wait to leave.

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A hundred percent.

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Get out of

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Chance Burles: the city.

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Super excited to get out of here.

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But, uh, we're, we've
got another few days.

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We've got some more people I got to
link up with and the family and I are

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going to go do some really cool things.

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Like we're going to go see the,
uh, the anthropology museum at UBC.

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It's supposed to be really cool.

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We're going to hit a Fort Stanley as well.

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It's supposed to be really cool as well.

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We're really just here as
a, Exploration or anything.

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And yeah.

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Travis Bader: And you're just exploring
why you don't live in the big city.

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A hundred percent.

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Chance Burles: Yep.

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This is exactly why, you
know, as soon as we hit BC.

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Everything kind of changed the,
uh, you know, the drivers changed

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the way the roads work changed, how
people interact with you changes.

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And then as soon as you hit the city,
everything changes from there too.

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We got past Chilliwack and then we spent
an hour and a half of traffic on the, uh,

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on the one, just coming into the city.

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And we're like, this is awesome.

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Travis Bader: I just got back
from Nova Scotia, spent a

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couple of weeks over there.

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It was in Toronto and then
back to BC and I tell ya.

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It's even in there, in the big smoke
of Nova Scotia, it's a lot more laid

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back than what it's like over here.

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And it's got me wondering why
I live in the lower mainland.

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Chance Burles: It's, it's, it's beautiful.

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It's low maintenance in general.

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Um, I think like weather wise and stuff,
which is why I think a lot of people

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are drawn here, but my wife and I were
chatting about it too, when we were down

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at the beach and I was looking around,
I'm like, man, nobody seems to care.

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About anybody else at all.

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Everyone's in their own little world
doing their own little thing without

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any regard for, you know, other people's
space or time or like, it just, I saw,

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I don't know how many near misses with
bicycles and people just like shrug it

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off like, yeah, and like off they go.

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Travis Bader: You know, I read, and
I'm just playing around with our audio

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a little bit as we're talking here.

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But I read a study about road rage, and it
said that it is directly correlated to the

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size of the city or town that you live in.

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And over a certain size, you don't.

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De what's the word you depersonalize.

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A hundred percent dehumanize.

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Dehumanize basically instead of,
Oh, that's Gladys driving down.

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She's probably sleeping, or maybe she's
had a couple of drinks or whatever it is.

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Right.

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It's why that, why did
that person do that to me?

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Completely different person.

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I'm going to get them back.

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I'm going to run them over.

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They must've done that to me on purpose.

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A hundred percent.

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Chance Burles: And it's very, it's.

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Self centric as well.

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I mean, when you think about the
larger, the larger city that you're

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in, the more the population increases,
the less community you have, the less.

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People you actually know, and so then
therefore your, your mind becomes that

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much more closed to yourself, right?

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Then it becomes, well, that
guy obviously did it to me.

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How dare that person, whoever they
are, you know, versus You know,

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when I'm driving around Sherwood
Park, it's a pretty small town.

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It's, you know, it's
pretty relaxed atmosphere.

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That's why we moved there.

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Everything is within walking distance.

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We wave at people.

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We, I know my neighbors, I have a
community and, you know, uh, even people

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I don't know when I was doing the Nijmegen
march a little while ago, I was walking

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around and people would be like, I saw
you this morning with your pack on.

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Have you, you're still walking that thing?

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And I'm like, yep, yeah.

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And they're like, what do you do?

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And like engage in a
conversation immediately.

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Travis Bader: It's funny you bring
up community because that's something

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that's, uh, that I think a lot of
people can really benefit from.

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And whether they live in a very remote
area and they don't really have much of a

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community around them, or quite often what
I find, they live in a very built up area

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and it's difficult to find your people.

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Yes.

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It's difficult to find that community
of people that are there to help you,

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to help support you, that want to
see nothing from you other than for

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you to be the best that you can be.

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Yeah.

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And that kind of brings
us to the collective.

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A hundred percent.

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Tell me about the

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Chance Burles: collective.

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Oh man.

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The collective has been a, it's
been a passion project, but it's

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also been a, some massive stress
factor in my life at the same time.

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So Sean came to me, um, November,
December, uh, not last, 2022.

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And he was like, you know, I've been
looking at the veteran community.

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We need to do something.

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Are you in?

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And I was like, well, yeah, I
like, I, I'm absolutely, I've

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been an advocate for years.

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I'm doing my own podcast.

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Yeah.

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How can I help?

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What are we, what are, what's the plan?

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And he goes, well, I'm going to push
a pace that you're not quite used to.

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And, uh, you know, are you,
are you good to keep up?

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I said, well, I do my best.

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Let's get after it.

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And so he was like, okay, well,
we're going to do a podcast

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today for the whole year.

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And I was, you know, having done
many podcasts, so it's like, whoa.

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How, like, what are we to talk about?

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We're like, what are we, he's
like, we'll figure it out.

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So we started January one and
you know, first, first guest we

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had on with you and, uh, it was.

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That's right.

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You were the man right off the bat.

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And, and it, so it, it became
what it is in my belief

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through you initially, because.

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Right after that conversation,
you engaged us and said, well,

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you know, what is the value?

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What is it that you're trying to
provide to the world with that?

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And I had to stop and think about it.

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And Sean and I thought
about it for a while.

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And eventually we came to the fact
that it is about the community.

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It's about bringing people together
to a central location where we can all

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discuss, we can talk, we can engage,
we can think, we can develop ideas,

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we can throw stuff off of each other.

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We can, all of these great things that,
that Most people don't have, they don't

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have an opportunity to do that, especially
with the caliber of people that we knew.

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And then it kind of blossomed from there
and the community has built itself.

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Like I would ask on a regular basis, I've
asked you a couple of times, you know, who

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do you think would be good for the show?

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And I think you've asked me and many
other people have asked me too, it'd

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be, well, what are you looking for?

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I'm like, are they cool?

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Can they hold a conversation?

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Travis Bader: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Those are two very
different things too, right?

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You can have the coolest people out
there that are just doing their thing,

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but they have a difficult time when
the microphone's in front of them.

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Chance Burles: Yes.

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Travis Bader: So finding that special
person who can relay that is, um,

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And that's a learned skill because I
would say, I am that former person.

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I am the person who has a difficult
time when the microphone's in front

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and I swear to God, every single time,
the best conversation happens before

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we press record and after we press
record, the conversation that you

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and I had before we pressed record.

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I think a lot of people could get
a ton of value out of, but I'm

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just, I'm not at that point yet.

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Chance Burles: Well, and we're,
we're going to get there.

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Don't worry.

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I took some notes.

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So we're going to get back to it,
but, and I think this, this comes

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from the fact that, you know, it's
hard to be natural when you have

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unnatural things in front of you, right?

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The microphone wasn't pointed at me when
we were talking, it wasn't pointed at you.

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It was still in the room.

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And we had like, we weren't all miked up.

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We didn't have the headset on and stuff,
but it was just a natural conversation.

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We started talking about this and
then I brought up that and then

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you brought up this and then it be
created its own, um, direction and

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we weren't trying to control it.

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But the moment you put something
unnatural in front of you, then

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there's a level of control.

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I think in our own minds that we
have to kind of, we try to let, well,

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I, you know, the audio and then you
start processing things all at once.

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And then it becomes very difficult to
find that natural flow, which is reps.

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Travis Bader: If it wasn't so
highly unethical, pressing record

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and then afterwards saying, okay,
everyone, let's sign off on here.

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Are you happy with what we said?

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Blah, blah, blah.

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If you don't, we can, we can mix it.

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That would make for a pretty interesting
show because the amount of like.

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Every single time I have a
conversation with somebody on the

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Silvercore podcast, and even on
the collective, when we wrap up.

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The green room is killer, man.

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It's killer.

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That's when, that's when stories
start flying, got X, SAS, SBS, special

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forces folks, just telling stories
that would just light up the internet.

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If, if they were able to go

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Chance Burles: out.

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I think that's part of
it too, is the awareness.

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Of the fact that you're,
you are being recorded.

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Right.

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And it is like, this is
going to go out to the world.

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So there's for many people, and I know
from the many podcasts I've done now, um,

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there, there's a level of reservation.

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Sure.

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Whenever there's a recording
happening and I made it my personal

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mission to completely remove that.

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I just, didn't matter what,
I'm open to talking about

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it, hit me, whatever you got.

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But do you want that removed?

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I do.

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Yeah, I think that is a, uh, I
think it's a key proponent in

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being able to build a community
of people that truly benefit you.

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Because if you are holding something
back, if you're, if you're not a hundred

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percent honest with the people that
you have in your circle, how are you a

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hundred percent honest with yourself?

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Travis Bader: I think there's a difference
between being a hundred percent honest

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with the people in your circle and airing
everything for the internet, airing

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everything for people to hear, because
a hundred percent honest with the people

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in your circle, give them everything you
have expect, give them 110, expect 40%.

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Cause guaranteed they've, they'll feel
like they're giving a hundred and 10.

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It's from your own personal perspective.

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It's always feels like you're given more.

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Yeah.

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But do you want, and
that's the difficult part.

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Like what I show my kids
through social media.

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No, I'm not going to share that part.

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There's parts of my life that I'm going
to make sure are kept away because you

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want to protect them and you want to
protect certain parts of yourself from

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those who would wish to do you harm.

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Chance Burles: Absolutely.

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For sure.

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And there's.

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And I'm going to caveat this in the fact
that yes, this is for the internet and I

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know we're recording it and I know, I know
we're going to be in, uh, putting this out

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into the world, but for this conversation,
I want to give you anything that you

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have, uh, that you are interested in.

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I'm not going to sit here and verbally
diarrhea all of my life out to you.

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Cause there's no value in that because
it's just mass information, but in no

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way, am I going to hold anything back.

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If you're asking me about, you
know, a time in Afghanistan,

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that was really rough.

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I will tell you those issues, those things
that are rough for me, because I've seen

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what happens when you don't, and I've told
the story in the collective many times,

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but my grandfather, World War II vet,
also a combat engineer, um, he thought

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himself a coward for 70 plus years based
off of one incident that he never talked

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about until I got home from Afghanistan.

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And it was very simple.

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He was working on a railroad in France,
trying to rebuild one that had been

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bombed out before the allies took it over.

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They called for volunteers
to go up to the front.

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He did not raise his hand.

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He's already in a war zone.

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He's already doing a job.

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Travis Bader: Didn't raise his

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Chance Burles: hand.

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Didn't raise his hand.

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Coward.

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70 years of self destruction.

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That he was a coward
for that one incident.

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Never talked about with anybody.

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Not once.

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And like, how did that manifest
itself throughout his life?

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Oh, if so, my, my mom would tell
me stories about her getting.

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Belted, like the big, thick, uh,
leather belts for doing stuff wrong.

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Um, he would have rage incidences.

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Um, he would never allow himself to
believe that he was worth what he was.

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And he would constantly be seeking more
knowledge and trying to learn more.

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Like he got his pilot's license.

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He was building himself
a plane in his garage.

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Like he was an electrician.

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He was a mechanic.

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He was like, he had all of these skills.

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Would never put himself out to the world
with the fact that he had those skills.

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Mm hmm.

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You know, he ran a small shop for
a little while that, uh, him and

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his, my grandmother would, they
owned a shop in Shonovan and,

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uh, Saskatchewan for many years.

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And then eventually they just
sold it and then they moved in.

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He worked for, for as an
electrician for a while.

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Like he would always take the
back seat because he totally

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believed that he did not have the
value or the courage to stand up.

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And do the thing, even though
he volunteered for the war, he

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volunteered for a hazardous duty in
terms of being a combat engineer,

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you're dealing with explosives and
hike, uh, you know, construction of

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big structures and stuff like that.

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Easy to get taken out pretty fast
that, that one decision and the

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fact that he did not talk about it.

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Affected everything else
he made in his life.

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Travis Bader: Worth is such
a funny thing, isn't it?

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A hundred percent.

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I mean, what is worth when you, when you
look at it, like, what is something worth?

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Well, I've got a pencil in my hand here is
worth, I don't know what a pencils go for.

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Right.

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But Oh, hold on a second.

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It's a Stadler.

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It's got some branding on it.

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So it's got a white eraser,
not a pink eraser on it.

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I mean, that's, that's probably
worth a little bit more cause it's

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got some fancy branding on it.

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It's still a pencil, still like
every, how is one thing going

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to be worth more than the other?

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And so many people will place
their worth on external factors.

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Yeah.

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On what they feel other people
think that they are worth.

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A hundred percent.

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And many of these people are
hanging around the wrong people,

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myself included, yourself included.

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I mean, in the past, looking
at these different things, that

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Chance Burles: was the first thing
we said, when you walked in, you're

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like, what do you want to talk about?

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I'm like, you know, one of the things I
struggle with is my own self worth and

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a lot of it, you know, we, we went into
it forehand of like family and all this

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other stuff, but it really comes back to
the fact of what value are you adding?

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So let's use this pencil for an example.

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This pencil on its own is worth, you know,
the wood and the tin and the rubber and

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the graphite that it is comprised of.

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But what is it capable of?

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Well, it depends on whose
hands you put it in.

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Exactly.

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And what are, what does that in
the further in the, like, if you

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expand that into the next realm,
like the fact that you and I are

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sitting here taking notes and what
we write down is what we speak about.

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And the information that we're
giving out to the world is then

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taken upon by those people.

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We can.

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Literally change the world with this
pencil, because this expands into the

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ideas that come out of my head that
expands into what we engage in terms

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of conversation that expands into what
people hear on a regular basis when

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they listen to the podcast that can
inspire the next person, which goes

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back to the collective, which is why we
got it started because we just needed

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a place that the ideas could flow.

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They could be challenged.

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They could be accepted.

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They could be.

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Engaged upon so that, that value could
just be multiplied and expanded and

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developed on, and then engaged again, and
then rebrought in that thought of from a

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different angle and so on and so forth.

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So like, yeah, this pencil by
itself is worth what, 15 cents, but

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what it can produce is priceless.

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Travis Bader: Okay.

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So my head's going in a bunch of
different, different areas on this one.

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Um, and,

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You know, and maybe it's something for
after the show as well, but, uh, a boots

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on the ground portion of the collective.

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Have you put much thought into that?

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Yeah, we have.

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We've talked about it a lot.

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Because there's an action piece in there.

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In your own example that you give here
about the pencil, the pencil without

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action, exertion without action, right?

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Or, um, ideas without exertion, without
effort are basically meaningless.

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Um, having an, an actionable piece on
there, I think would be an interesting

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piece of the puzzle to really get into.

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Grow the collective and
bring everybody into it.

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Chance Burles: Well, that's one of
the other things I wrote down here.

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That's really difficult
for me to self promotion.

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That's what it comes down to.

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It's like, again, my own personal
worth, what I value myself as

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integrates itself into the collective.

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So how I promote the collective, how
I engage in it, how I actually run

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the show is very I minimize myself in
order to highlight the conversation.

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I, I try to step aside personally
to moderate the conversation

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and pass it around to the other
people that we have on the show.

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But we do that specifically because the
highlight of the show is the conversation.

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It's not me.

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It's not Sean.

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It's not the, you know, our
stories, our backgrounds.

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It is the conversation.

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We want that to be the
key proponent of it.

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But the, to your point, the physical
aspect of it, the community is.

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What the collective, it's
the people that are engaging.

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So it, that's a very tough
subject of creating a boots

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on the ground kind of deal.

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And we've talked about it a lot.

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Sean and I have, uh, come up with lots
of ideas about, you know, possibly

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a speaking event or maybe, uh, you
know, a live action engagement where

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I could like run a show up on a stage
and have people in the audience that

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could actually ask questions physically
and be there and like, take it all in.

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And then.

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Engage people or even smaller things like
going out to a cabin in the woods with

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15 people and just sitting down to really
discussing some of the issues that we

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all struggle with, that kind of thing.

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So that's a tough one.

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We've, we've talked about a lot about
it, try to figure out what to do.

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And the other thing is, Sean is
very specific that the first one

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has to knock it out of the park.

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We cannot, at this point
where we are right now, same

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thing with the shirts, right?

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Like.

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We had to make a shirt that was
going to be outstanding, be taken

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on by every single person that
looked at it and was like, yes.

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Travis Bader: So I disagree.

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Chance Burles: Yeah, I know.

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You know, it's funny.

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We've had that conversation
too, but hit me.

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What do you, what part did you, so I

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Travis Bader: disagree.

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Um, okay.

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A few different things.

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I I've told you about the, uh, the value
of Story of the rifle in the past, the

00:22:36.659 --> 00:22:42.139
rifle work I did with, uh, had a guy come
in looking for some rifle work done, did

00:22:42.230 --> 00:22:47.720
so much work on this thing, gave him a
absolutely silly little cheap price tag.

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He walks out.

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Okay, great.

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Like, what?

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He didn't say he liked it.

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He didn't say,

00:22:52.360 --> 00:22:52.600
yeah,

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came back the next week, wanted
me to do the exact same thing in a

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different caliber on a different rifle.

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Parker has a cut crown thread, right?

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Headspace to specifications within
a few thousandths of an inch.

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And I'm like, forget this guy's
taking advantage of me now.

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I'm going to charge right.

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And so I charged him not even a
terrible amount, but just kind of what

00:23:12.380 --> 00:23:14.790
the blue book median line would say.

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And he left and he came back
with white gloves on and he

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said, this, this is quality work.

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I did the exact same thing.

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I just charged him more.

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And that's always stuck in my mind
when it comes down to, to worth.

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Um, it's when you say we've got
to knock it out of the park, it's

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got to be just stellar because
we're at this certain point, right?

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Uh, you know, the story of the,
uh, the pottery class, you That

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would be where my head goes.

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So a teacher says, okay, class, this
half of the class, you have to make the

00:23:51.765 --> 00:23:58.254
perfect pot, spend the entire semester,
read it, learn it, make it perfect.

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The other half of the class, make
as many as you want, go nuts, right?

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Make 10 a day if you want, right?

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Throw them out.

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Just keep going.

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At the end of the semester, the
class that was allowed to repeat.

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Repeatedly make, destroy, learn,
make, destroy, learn, go through

00:24:16.910 --> 00:24:20.820
it, had a far superior pot than
the ones that were tasked was

00:24:20.820 --> 00:24:23.119
just making that one perfect pot.

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I would say start small and just do it.

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Because if you, from my perspective,
if it's going to be perfect and

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it's going to go to the door.

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Uh, that's a bottleneck
done is better than perfect.

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And if I'm sitting there trying
to make this perfect thing and

00:24:42.155 --> 00:24:43.165
then hot, it's not perfect.

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Okay.

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Next week, next week, next week.

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Whereas if, and a person we
both know has reached out and he

00:24:49.904 --> 00:24:51.445
says, I can get this auditorium.

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I can get this thing set up.

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Let's do something.

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Right.

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So I said, okay, now I'm
waiting for him to do it.

00:24:57.074 --> 00:24:58.625
And if he's listening, he knows who he is.

00:24:59.325 --> 00:24:59.585
Yeah.

00:24:59.735 --> 00:25:03.385
Um, but done's better than perfect.

00:25:03.455 --> 00:25:05.515
And if, if the.

00:25:06.034 --> 00:25:11.054
If our own sense of self worth is
the same as my second rifle that I

00:25:11.074 --> 00:25:16.635
put out, if I just say, I'm worth it,
you guys will get value and you'll

00:25:16.635 --> 00:25:18.114
get value because I care about you.

00:25:18.114 --> 00:25:19.344
I care about what I'm doing.

00:25:19.375 --> 00:25:21.865
And I want to give you 110
percent of what I have.

00:25:22.794 --> 00:25:24.904
They will see that value
and they'll get it too.

00:25:25.024 --> 00:25:25.334
Yeah.

00:25:25.504 --> 00:25:27.804
Ah, that would be my approach to it.

00:25:28.074 --> 00:25:28.524
Chance Burles: I, I.

00:25:28.965 --> 00:25:29.795
I agree with you.

00:25:29.795 --> 00:25:34.135
And I think that the, uh, I think
the challenge at least is that for

00:25:34.145 --> 00:25:39.334
me, and I can't speak for Sean here
on this one, but for me, I really

00:25:39.335 --> 00:25:43.595
want it to be, well, I know it's
going to be successful regardless.

00:25:43.645 --> 00:25:44.835
Like that's not a question.

00:25:44.845 --> 00:25:45.235
Depends

00:25:45.235 --> 00:25:46.215
Travis Bader: on how you measure success,

00:25:46.435 --> 00:25:46.705
Chance Burles: right?

00:25:46.945 --> 00:25:49.835
And that's what I, so my measure
of success is that are people

00:25:49.835 --> 00:25:51.735
going to gain from being there?

00:25:52.030 --> 00:25:55.689
Obviously I don't want them to show
up and us just kind of sit around and

00:25:55.689 --> 00:26:00.040
hang out and shoot the shit and be
like, you know, it's a great time, but

00:26:00.040 --> 00:26:02.309
I want to, I want to put on a show.

00:26:02.309 --> 00:26:06.940
I want to make people think I want
to create an environment that we can

00:26:07.689 --> 00:26:14.530
have deep, thoughtful, meaningful
conversations without the trappings

00:26:14.530 --> 00:26:19.790
of, you know, everything else, all
of the, uh, all the other stuff.

00:26:19.790 --> 00:26:27.225
So I guess more than, more than anything,
I want it to be truly valuable for the

00:26:27.225 --> 00:26:29.745
people that show up, especially if people
are going to be spending money, because

00:26:30.455 --> 00:26:34.664
I, I do not want anybody walking away
from a collective event thinking that

00:26:34.665 --> 00:26:39.945
they wasted their money, or wasted their
time, or wasted any of that, because it

00:26:39.945 --> 00:26:41.679
really should be a value added project.

00:26:42.040 --> 00:26:44.570
Project cross the board,

00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:47.520
but you're right.

00:26:47.600 --> 00:26:48.190
We do need to get it.

00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:49.580
And we did it with the collective anyway.

00:26:49.590 --> 00:26:52.540
I mean, the first episodes we
had out there were not great.

00:26:54.890 --> 00:26:58.560
It took a lot of reps to
really hammer those out.

00:26:58.570 --> 00:27:04.720
And it wasn't, we hit our stride probably
mid June after 120, 140 episodes,

00:27:04.730 --> 00:27:06.500
something that we really hit our stride.

00:27:06.970 --> 00:27:09.440
And then we, you know, we had
the men's mental health month.

00:27:09.995 --> 00:27:12.284
30 days of talking about
men's mental health stuff.

00:27:12.425 --> 00:27:19.675
Yeah, and like from everything from you
know, sexual dysfunction and pornography

00:27:19.675 --> 00:27:25.765
to worth we talked about to You know
community to fatherhood to like we

00:27:25.805 --> 00:27:27.794
we talked about as much as we could.

00:27:27.864 --> 00:27:28.354
Travis Bader: Mm hmm.

00:27:29.354 --> 00:27:31.504
Chance Burles: It was a great month But
after that, we were like, okay, we need

00:27:31.504 --> 00:27:36.245
to dial this back a little bit because
it was getting It was becoming a struggle

00:27:36.245 --> 00:27:38.115
to have those conversations, right?

00:27:38.805 --> 00:27:40.965
then We hit our stride from there.

00:27:40.965 --> 00:27:42.365
We just went to town.

00:27:42.365 --> 00:27:45.255
We found the right people to
have the right conversations.

00:27:45.255 --> 00:27:46.635
We started engaging the public.

00:27:46.635 --> 00:27:50.365
We started engaging the, the,
the, the social media community

00:27:50.365 --> 00:27:53.054
to get ideas and get concepts.

00:27:53.055 --> 00:27:54.864
And what is it that you guys want to hear?

00:27:54.874 --> 00:27:58.570
Like, As much as I can put
out ideas I can come up with.

00:27:59.860 --> 00:28:02.740
I'm not the end all be all
say all about information.

00:28:02.740 --> 00:28:07.740
Travis Bader: So, uh, that brings, so
we're talking about worth my second

00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:12.670
thought on this whole worth thing, if we
take the rifle analogy and okay, we're

00:28:12.670 --> 00:28:16.310
going to, we're valued at this and people
will see that it's kind of like iPhone

00:28:16.320 --> 00:28:19.389
is an iPhone really worth that much more
than another phone that can probably

00:28:19.389 --> 00:28:23.860
have a faster processor and all the
rest, but they say, no, we're worth it.

00:28:23.870 --> 00:28:28.864
We integrate, we do all this
stuff and, you And that's part

00:28:28.864 --> 00:28:30.674
of their value proposition.

00:28:31.044 --> 00:28:34.935
But the other side as well, when you say,
I want people to leave and have something

00:28:34.945 --> 00:28:39.354
worthwhile, it's your audience too.

00:28:39.854 --> 00:28:43.495
So if you have the wrong audience,
if you've got the wrong people

00:28:43.495 --> 00:28:44.735
that you're attracting to you.

00:28:44.745 --> 00:28:44.965
You're.

00:28:45.269 --> 00:28:49.590
Always going to have this sense that,
uh, either my, my worth is inflated

00:28:49.590 --> 00:28:52.550
or my worth is deflated depending
on your, your type of audience.

00:28:52.550 --> 00:28:56.360
And I've given, I've talked about
in the past, before I started this

00:28:56.369 --> 00:29:00.570
podcast, I had been on one friend
asked me to be on their podcast.

00:29:00.570 --> 00:29:01.429
And that was kind of neat.

00:29:01.429 --> 00:29:04.850
We had a couple of beers and then just a
little recorder in the center and actually

00:29:04.850 --> 00:29:06.379
recorded in the next room over here.

00:29:06.379 --> 00:29:09.259
And I was like, man, that
was, that's kind of fun.

00:29:09.259 --> 00:29:09.960
I enjoyed that.

00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:10.259
Right.

00:29:10.259 --> 00:29:10.389
Good.

00:29:10.545 --> 00:29:10.764
Yeah.

00:29:10.855 --> 00:29:15.455
And I'd never listened to a podcast,
save one that I'd seen live.

00:29:15.525 --> 00:29:18.405
And that was a present
from my wife for Christmas.

00:29:18.405 --> 00:29:22.365
And she says, okay, Trav got
this wicked present for you.

00:29:22.394 --> 00:29:26.484
We're going to go see meat eater,
perform a live podcast in Seattle.

00:29:26.675 --> 00:29:27.275
That'd be cool.

00:29:27.395 --> 00:29:29.114
And I said, what's meat eater.

00:29:31.864 --> 00:29:34.005
And I said, I don't listen to podcasts.

00:29:34.015 --> 00:29:37.425
Why, why would I want to go see a
podcast and sit down and watch these

00:29:37.425 --> 00:29:39.115
people who have no clue who they are.

00:29:39.115 --> 00:29:39.245
And.

00:29:40.340 --> 00:29:42.110
I wasn't the right audience.

00:29:42.110 --> 00:29:45.780
So I sat down and I, you know, there's
a meet and greet ahead of time.

00:29:45.780 --> 00:29:47.010
There's a handful of us.

00:29:47.010 --> 00:29:51.430
I meet with Steve and Janice and
the whole crew there, or going

00:29:51.430 --> 00:29:53.969
back and forth, actually made some
friends off of that one, which is,

00:29:54.189 --> 00:29:57.999
which is, I think the biggest value
off of that is the connections

00:29:58.000 --> 00:29:59.170
and the friendships that you make.

00:29:59.875 --> 00:30:01.985
Um, but I watch a podcast.

00:30:01.985 --> 00:30:06.735
I'm like, okay, like, like I was
not the target market for that one.

00:30:06.835 --> 00:30:07.005
Yeah.

00:30:07.295 --> 00:30:11.585
Uh, so, but people beside me
left and right that were, they

00:30:11.585 --> 00:30:12.615
were just beside themselves.

00:30:12.615 --> 00:30:13.875
They said, this is fantastic.

00:30:13.905 --> 00:30:17.105
Oh, this is one of the best episodes
we've heard and they're going into it.

00:30:17.105 --> 00:30:18.205
And I'm like, okay.

00:30:18.235 --> 00:30:23.305
So I think that would be the second part
for like the collective ensuring that

00:30:23.635 --> 00:30:26.054
you prime and set up the right people.

00:30:26.705 --> 00:30:30.655
The right audience that will be there
and guaranteed they're going to be,

00:30:31.725 --> 00:30:32.855
they're going to be leaving with value.

00:30:32.855 --> 00:30:37.435
It's similar to that thing recently,
the, the event that, uh, suction put on.

00:30:37.455 --> 00:30:38.005
Chance Burles: Oh yeah.

00:30:38.125 --> 00:30:38.335
Yeah.

00:30:38.335 --> 00:30:38.675
That was a

00:30:38.675 --> 00:30:38.925
Travis Bader: fun

00:30:38.925 --> 00:30:39.065
Chance Burles: one.

00:30:39.065 --> 00:30:39.775
The night to inspire.

00:30:39.775 --> 00:30:39.945
Yeah.

00:30:39.945 --> 00:30:41.185
I wish I could have made
it out there for that one.

00:30:41.185 --> 00:30:43.055
That was, uh, that
looked like a great time.

00:30:43.085 --> 00:30:46.795
I, I really like the idea of.

00:30:47.425 --> 00:30:51.115
Passing on knowledge is one of the reasons
why I like teaching so much is that I love

00:30:51.135 --> 00:30:56.475
watching people get these I call them aha
moments where they you know, they garner

00:30:56.515 --> 00:31:02.505
the concept not just the information
and you can see it They just oh Right.

00:31:02.515 --> 00:31:05.045
That's why okay that and then
everything else makes sense and

00:31:05.045 --> 00:31:08.030
then they're they're Progression
just kind of skyrockets from there.

00:31:08.810 --> 00:31:11.270
Those moments for me are gold.

00:31:11.270 --> 00:31:12.920
I just love watching that happen.

00:31:15.030 --> 00:31:19.040
And you see it in speaking events when
people are kind of, you know, nodding,

00:31:19.040 --> 00:31:20.110
nodding, nodding, and then they go.

00:31:20.615 --> 00:31:23.145
Uh, and like you made a
connection right there.

00:31:23.145 --> 00:31:23.785
Okay, cool.

00:31:23.825 --> 00:31:25.355
I'd like, I see you in the third row.

00:31:25.475 --> 00:31:26.985
Okay, let's hit it up.

00:31:27.435 --> 00:31:30.575
Um, when I was doing the walk for
veterans, the same thing, I would

00:31:30.575 --> 00:31:33.955
see people come out and they'd
kind of be a little wary initially,

00:31:34.395 --> 00:31:38.065
and then start to kind of get a
little closer to certain groups.

00:31:38.065 --> 00:31:40.875
And then they'd hear a story and be like,
Oh, I know that guy I was on tour with.

00:31:40.885 --> 00:31:41.515
Like, Oh, okay.

00:31:41.515 --> 00:31:42.785
And then the connection would happen.

00:31:42.785 --> 00:31:47.345
And it'd be like, yes, yes, do
that more and stuff like that.

00:31:47.865 --> 00:31:53.285
Um, And that's what I really want
to have for people, especially

00:31:53.285 --> 00:31:56.375
so anything that we do with the
collective boots on the ground style,

00:31:57.405 --> 00:31:58.605
that's what I'm gonna be looking for.

00:31:58.615 --> 00:31:59.375
And you're right.

00:31:59.375 --> 00:32:00.385
It comes down to the community.

00:32:00.425 --> 00:32:05.175
We got to get the right people in the
seats that are there for that purpose

00:32:05.945 --> 00:32:07.445
to engage in that kind of conversation.

00:32:07.455 --> 00:32:11.715
Cause it's, but as you know, I
mean, you, you know, You, uh, plan

00:32:11.715 --> 00:32:12.765
events and all kinds of things.

00:32:12.765 --> 00:32:14.745
You plan hunts and you have
classes and all those things.

00:32:14.755 --> 00:32:20.075
That is not an easy task to
create that kind of thing.

00:32:20.085 --> 00:32:20.315
So.

00:32:20.315 --> 00:32:22.565
Travis Bader: No, but you have
a framework of people who've

00:32:22.575 --> 00:32:25.705
gone down that road before, who
can, uh, who you can lean into.

00:32:26.175 --> 00:32:30.655
So when did you first kind of come to
the realization that, um, you would like

00:32:30.655 --> 00:32:35.275
to have a better sense of self worth
and have you had your aha moment yet?

00:32:35.625 --> 00:32:37.245
Chance Burles: I've had
a number of aha moments.

00:32:40.055 --> 00:32:44.520
Uh, initially the first, the
very first one, Was I had just

00:32:44.520 --> 00:32:45.380
gotten out of the military.

00:32:45.420 --> 00:32:50.150
I had a five month old son
and he did not respond well

00:32:50.150 --> 00:32:52.900
to master corporals very well.

00:32:52.900 --> 00:32:54.310
And that's who I was at the time.

00:32:54.310 --> 00:32:56.210
I was a recruit instructor.

00:32:56.210 --> 00:33:02.170
I was a hundred percent knife, hand ready,
do this and expect people to just go.

00:33:03.020 --> 00:33:06.410
Um, and I walked into the room at one
point in time and my son was just like

00:33:06.430 --> 00:33:07.550
playing with toys or something like that.

00:33:07.560 --> 00:33:10.300
And the moment I walked into the
room, he flinched just like a,

00:33:10.435 --> 00:33:12.134
Travis Bader: And

00:33:12.595 --> 00:33:15.765
Chance Burles: in that moment, I
was like, okay, this is not working.

00:33:15.885 --> 00:33:17.715
I need to, I need to do better.

00:33:18.335 --> 00:33:19.105
Something's wrong here.

00:33:19.875 --> 00:33:22.465
So I started going to therapy.

00:33:22.465 --> 00:33:25.275
I started researching therapy.

00:33:25.275 --> 00:33:26.905
I started researching
post traumatic stress.

00:33:26.905 --> 00:33:29.315
I started researching all the
things that I was dealing with

00:33:29.965 --> 00:33:31.705
instead of just kind of accepting.

00:33:32.620 --> 00:33:34.800
What the military had
offered me at the end of it.

00:33:34.800 --> 00:33:36.930
And that's the big thing was when
I got out of the military, they

00:33:36.930 --> 00:33:40.130
were like, okay, we'll go see
the OSI clinic here in Edmonton.

00:33:41.050 --> 00:33:44.720
They'll get, they'll hook you
up with a doc, have a good life.

00:33:45.610 --> 00:33:46.909
Travis Bader: With a dog or a doc?

00:33:46.910 --> 00:33:47.440
Chance Burles: A doc.

00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:47.710
Sorry.

00:33:47.730 --> 00:33:47.930
Okay.

00:33:47.930 --> 00:33:48.170
Yeah.

00:33:48.170 --> 00:33:48.430
No, I

00:33:48.430 --> 00:33:49.670
Travis Bader: thought it was
like a support dog or something.

00:33:50.380 --> 00:33:54.130
Chance Burles: Um, and so I started
seeing him and I just expected

00:33:54.130 --> 00:33:56.220
that he would know what to do.

00:33:56.580 --> 00:33:57.310
So I.

00:34:00.330 --> 00:34:05.970
And so he spent a year there and I
just got worse every F every time I saw

00:34:05.970 --> 00:34:07.560
him, I'd get worse and I'd get worse.

00:34:07.560 --> 00:34:11.880
And there was at one point I realized
that I would see him on like a Thursday

00:34:12.720 --> 00:34:19.110
and then I'd be just emotionally wrecked
Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday would

00:34:19.110 --> 00:34:23.910
come around and I'd, I'd have like maybe
a couple hours of just, okay, relief.

00:34:25.120 --> 00:34:28.070
And then later that night I'd realize, Oh
God, I gotta go see him again on Thursday.

00:34:28.070 --> 00:34:30.210
And then Tuesday, Wednesday became this.

00:34:31.085 --> 00:34:33.935
Just anxiety of like, Oh, Fred,
now I've got to go back there.

00:34:33.935 --> 00:34:37.725
And like, so I was just jacked
up six days of the week.

00:34:37.775 --> 00:34:38.605
What kind of doctor?

00:34:38.795 --> 00:34:39.805
He was a psychologist.

00:34:39.835 --> 00:34:42.325
Do you know what kind of, uh, modality?

00:34:42.585 --> 00:34:47.095
He really went into what he wanted us to
work on was exposure therapy directly.

00:34:47.095 --> 00:34:51.215
So it was like, it's like talk,
talk, uh, therapy, but he just had me

00:34:51.215 --> 00:34:55.075
repeat the same story over and over
and over and over and over and again.

00:34:55.075 --> 00:34:55.485
And it just,

00:34:55.635 --> 00:34:56.675
Travis Bader: how'd you find that?

00:34:58.165 --> 00:34:59.915
Chance Burles: It was, it was horrific.

00:35:00.285 --> 00:35:02.775
It was horrific because at the
end of the session, it'd be like,

00:35:02.775 --> 00:35:03.965
Oh, okay, well, our time's up.

00:35:03.965 --> 00:35:04.895
And I would just be like,

00:35:08.155 --> 00:35:09.085
and he'd be like, are you okay?

00:35:09.085 --> 00:35:10.055
And I'm like, yep, I'm fine.

00:35:10.065 --> 00:35:12.175
Let me at like, just
get, get me out of here.

00:35:12.875 --> 00:35:15.775
And, uh, it was, it was horrific.

00:35:15.775 --> 00:35:19.435
And it took a friend of mine and
I, again, I had no knowledge.

00:35:19.905 --> 00:35:24.695
Or wherewithal to go, man, this, this
isn't, this can't be right, right?

00:35:25.435 --> 00:35:29.675
Uh, and if I was talking to a friend
of mine, uh, another vet and he was,

00:35:30.065 --> 00:35:31.615
he was like, man, how's the docs going?

00:35:31.615 --> 00:35:33.685
And I'm like, Oh God, I gotta
go see him in like three days.

00:35:33.695 --> 00:35:35.995
And I just, I hate his guts
and I don't want to be there.

00:35:35.995 --> 00:35:42.335
And I, it took, one of the things that
clicked in my head was it took him, uh,

00:35:42.425 --> 00:35:44.345
he could not remember the name of my son.

00:35:44.345 --> 00:35:48.120
And And I saw him every week
and I talked about my son every

00:35:48.120 --> 00:35:49.120
week because he was one of my

00:35:49.700 --> 00:35:51.000
Travis Bader: trickers Yeah,
let's show us how much he cares

00:35:51.020 --> 00:35:53.120
Chance Burles: and he just like
every time he'd be like, so your

00:35:53.120 --> 00:35:58.210
son, um, and he would check his
notes Arden yeah Arden, I'd be like,

00:35:59.990 --> 00:36:00.270
Travis Bader: yeah

00:36:01.010 --> 00:36:02.690
Chance Burles: So that was bad.

00:36:02.690 --> 00:36:05.960
Anyways, so I talked to my friend
and he was like, oh man, you should

00:36:05.970 --> 00:36:08.460
just go see somebody else I'm like,
I can't that's who they sent me to

00:36:09.690 --> 00:36:13.445
He's like no, no, dude, dude, you're
like You don't have to see the guide.

00:36:13.445 --> 00:36:15.485
Like you can just go see anybody you want.

00:36:15.725 --> 00:36:18.885
If they're blue cross covered,
like you're good to go, go

00:36:18.885 --> 00:36:20.155
look, go find somebody else.

00:36:20.165 --> 00:36:25.895
And I was like, Oh, Oh, Oh, okay.

00:36:26.465 --> 00:36:28.185
Uh, so brilliant advice, by the way.

00:36:28.195 --> 00:36:28.955
A hundred percent.

00:36:28.955 --> 00:36:29.205
It is.

00:36:29.205 --> 00:36:32.035
And I've told hundreds of
veterans, the same thing.

00:36:32.095 --> 00:36:35.535
How many doctors did you see before
you found one that clicked with you?

00:36:35.675 --> 00:36:36.955
One, just one more.

00:36:36.985 --> 00:36:37.215
Yeah.

00:36:37.425 --> 00:36:40.945
The, the next one I saw
was, is still my doc.

00:36:41.025 --> 00:36:46.965
And well, the key is, is that I went, I
did a deep dive on what it is I wanted.

00:36:47.465 --> 00:36:48.255
What did you want?

00:36:48.345 --> 00:36:53.535
I wanted a trauma specialist that has
experience with veterans and PTSD.

00:36:54.135 --> 00:36:58.475
And, and I was going through the list
of modalities was a equine therapist.

00:36:58.955 --> 00:37:00.385
And I was like, Equines.

00:37:00.415 --> 00:37:01.165
I grew up on a ranch.

00:37:01.175 --> 00:37:02.655
It's like, yeah, I fricking love horses.

00:37:02.655 --> 00:37:03.105
Absolutely.

00:37:03.115 --> 00:37:03.645
Let's do this.

00:37:04.315 --> 00:37:06.585
And I didn't know what it was.

00:37:07.415 --> 00:37:13.235
And then I think my first, my F
after my first session with her,

00:37:13.965 --> 00:37:20.395
um, I just, I walked out of there
and I was like, calm and I was like,

00:37:20.395 --> 00:37:23.875
we've just talked about some pretty
rough stuff and I'm like relaxed and

00:37:25.895 --> 00:37:26.635
I'm pretty good.

00:37:26.765 --> 00:37:30.370
And then the next time I
saw her, Again, same thing.

00:37:30.370 --> 00:37:33.300
I walked out of there going,
this is very different.

00:37:34.100 --> 00:37:35.620
I feel pretty good right now.

00:37:36.180 --> 00:37:39.670
Um, and then we went out to the
horses and we started working with

00:37:39.680 --> 00:37:43.460
horses and man, I just huge leaps.

00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:44.010
Yeah.

00:37:44.010 --> 00:37:48.020
In my own recovery, just working
with horses, because they are

00:37:48.530 --> 00:37:50.400
mirrors to your emotional state.

00:37:51.470 --> 00:37:55.420
So at any point in time, if you
are agitated or if you start

00:37:55.420 --> 00:37:57.700
going down the rabbit hole and
you start feeling all the feelings

00:37:57.700 --> 00:38:02.400
again of that particular incident,
they make you aware very quickly.

00:38:02.790 --> 00:38:03.910
Travis Bader: Do you fake it with a horse?

00:38:03.950 --> 00:38:04.530
No.

00:38:04.730 --> 00:38:05.070
Okay.

00:38:05.070 --> 00:38:06.899
I haven't spent much time.

00:38:06.900 --> 00:38:08.040
Chance Burles: Zero, none at all.

00:38:08.060 --> 00:38:12.285
It, one of the interesting things
was, I walked into a session with

00:38:12.285 --> 00:38:15.435
them at one point and it's, you
know, it's a horse pasture, right?

00:38:15.455 --> 00:38:16.875
And there's horses out, they're wild.

00:38:16.875 --> 00:38:18.205
There's running around in the pasture.

00:38:18.765 --> 00:38:22.715
And, uh, when you walk in, they're
going to feel your energy immediately.

00:38:23.435 --> 00:38:24.215
Interesting.

00:38:24.585 --> 00:38:26.925
Long before you even get into
the paddock, they're going to

00:38:26.925 --> 00:38:28.034
know what you're, you're feeling.

00:38:28.285 --> 00:38:33.525
Because for a horse in the wild, they're
prey animals, they get predated upon,

00:38:33.525 --> 00:38:37.355
so they have to be aware constantly
of their surroundings and whether or

00:38:37.355 --> 00:38:42.265
not that particular, um, entity that's
walking up on them is dangerous or not.

00:38:42.365 --> 00:38:42.725
Right.

00:38:43.180 --> 00:38:47.100
And that's one of the things that
like, when you walk into an area and

00:38:47.100 --> 00:38:50.990
you're agitated and you're, you're
trying to either suppress something or

00:38:50.990 --> 00:38:54.280
you're trying to engage in something,
or like if you're hunting, I mean,

00:38:54.280 --> 00:38:55.630
you've had the jitters, right?

00:38:55.630 --> 00:38:57.420
And you know what it's like when you're
sitting there on the rifle and your

00:38:57.430 --> 00:38:59.610
hands start to shake and the adrenaline
started to pump and you're like, Never,

00:38:59.870 --> 00:39:00.850
Travis Bader: never, never happened to me.

00:39:00.850 --> 00:39:01.460
What are you talking about?

00:39:03.970 --> 00:39:07.770
Chance Burles: So that feeling,
prey animals can pick up on.

00:39:08.690 --> 00:39:09.050
Right.

00:39:09.250 --> 00:39:14.230
And if you can't be calm within
your own body in that moment.

00:39:15.775 --> 00:39:18.905
That's where you see deer or something
like that will be completely,

00:39:18.905 --> 00:39:20.055
you'll be absolutely quiet.

00:39:20.255 --> 00:39:24.235
You'll start, the adrenaline will start to
come up and they'll go like this, right.

00:39:24.315 --> 00:39:25.735
It's them picking up on that energy.

00:39:26.855 --> 00:39:27.925
Travis Bader: Nikki van Schendel.

00:39:28.005 --> 00:39:34.445
She was, uh, the show alone, I think
it was 61 days that she survived.

00:39:34.535 --> 00:39:42.385
I think it was 61 days before she
was medically RTU'd and she said, she

00:39:42.385 --> 00:39:43.975
was on the podcast here in the past.

00:39:44.700 --> 00:39:48.870
Whenever she goes into the woods, she
was told this little trick and she

00:39:48.870 --> 00:39:52.070
says, it's really silly and it sounds
goofy, but she does it all the time.

00:39:52.100 --> 00:39:53.240
And she goes out into the woods.

00:39:53.240 --> 00:39:55.240
She says, hello, forest.

00:39:55.240 --> 00:39:56.140
It's me, Nicky.

00:39:56.230 --> 00:39:56.790
I'm here.

00:39:56.970 --> 00:39:58.730
And she introduces herself to the forest.

00:40:00.355 --> 00:40:05.325
And she says, the energy that she has, if
she comes out of the city and goes into

00:40:05.325 --> 00:40:09.295
the forest, all the little brown birds are
chirping, all the squirrels are chirping.

00:40:09.305 --> 00:40:13.725
And about three days later, everything
you notice starts to calm down around you.

00:40:14.175 --> 00:40:18.615
By introducing herself to the
forest, she's able to very quickly.

00:40:19.020 --> 00:40:23.640
Assimilate, she says her energy and
the forest energy and, and it sounds

00:40:23.830 --> 00:40:28.340
true, frou, airy, fairy, but there's
something to it and I do it and I practice

00:40:28.340 --> 00:40:31.010
it and there is something to that.

00:40:31.020 --> 00:40:36.150
And I noticed that when I'm out in the
woods, not around horses, but if I want to

00:40:36.160 --> 00:40:38.550
see the animals, I got to check my head.

00:40:38.590 --> 00:40:44.000
I got a gut check and I
essentially send out the vibe.

00:40:44.050 --> 00:40:44.290
Yeah.

00:40:44.790 --> 00:40:45.160
Chance Burles: That's it.

00:40:45.210 --> 00:40:47.430
You, you become 100%.

00:40:47.430 --> 00:40:47.449
Yeah.

00:40:48.120 --> 00:40:53.260
Um, in the moment that, then that
is, you know, true mindfulness is you

00:40:53.260 --> 00:40:55.680
check your, like you said, you check
your brain, you check your mind, you

00:40:55.680 --> 00:40:58.450
check your soul, you check all your
things like, okay, how am I doing?

00:41:01.060 --> 00:41:01.420
Okay.

00:41:01.530 --> 00:41:02.070
I'm pretty good.

00:41:02.450 --> 00:41:02.710
All right.

00:41:02.710 --> 00:41:03.310
Let's go chill out.

00:41:03.340 --> 00:41:09.830
And you just become a pattern part of the
pattern versus when you were looking for

00:41:09.830 --> 00:41:14.790
animals, you are looking for something,
you're not going to see anything.

00:41:14.910 --> 00:41:19.050
And if you do see something, it's going to
be four or five kilometers down that way.

00:41:19.060 --> 00:41:20.330
And it's just going to
disappear over a ridge.

00:41:20.330 --> 00:41:20.670
And you're going to.

00:41:21.270 --> 00:41:21.640
Travis Bader: Yeah.

00:41:21.670 --> 00:41:21.860
Right.

00:41:22.070 --> 00:41:26.130
Had a, uh, older German fellow and
was a moose hunting with a group

00:41:26.130 --> 00:41:31.110
of friends and, uh, weren't having
much success in the early days

00:41:31.910 --> 00:41:33.120
trying to learn what we're doing.

00:41:33.120 --> 00:41:38.240
And this guy comes up, he was like,
What you're doing wrong is you're

00:41:38.290 --> 00:41:41.180
trying to find a moose to shoot it.

00:41:41.820 --> 00:41:42.640
I'm like, what do you mean?

00:41:42.770 --> 00:41:45.170
It's like, don't think
about shooting a moose.

00:41:45.390 --> 00:41:46.530
Think happy thoughts.

00:41:47.780 --> 00:41:49.860
And everyone thought this was funny.

00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:52.970
And then next day got a moose, right?

00:41:52.970 --> 00:41:58.270
But it was, and then I got asked this
a fluke and this guy swears by it.

00:41:58.310 --> 00:41:59.300
And he lives by it.

00:41:59.780 --> 00:42:02.740
You don't go out there trying to
find the animal, you go out there

00:42:02.750 --> 00:42:06.180
enjoying yourself and the animals
will present themselves to you.

00:42:06.260 --> 00:42:06.510
Chance Burles: Yep.

00:42:06.670 --> 00:42:08.555
I mean, I've been hunting for years too.

00:42:08.555 --> 00:42:09.675
And it's the exact same thing.

00:42:09.675 --> 00:42:14.535
Anytime I go out and I'm, if
I'm anxious or I'm looking hard

00:42:14.545 --> 00:42:17.365
for something, I rarely see it.

00:42:17.375 --> 00:42:21.265
Or if I do see it, it'll be so
far away that it's beyond reach.

00:42:21.265 --> 00:42:21.515
Right.

00:42:21.515 --> 00:42:22.995
They're like, Oh, that's
not going to happen today.

00:42:23.465 --> 00:42:26.125
Um, but it's the same thing when
we're, when I was dealing with the

00:42:26.125 --> 00:42:29.455
horses, when I was doing my therapy
is if I walked in, they're going like,

00:42:29.525 --> 00:42:31.225
okay, I'm going to fix this problem.

00:42:31.965 --> 00:42:33.615
They would be off on the
other side of the pasture.

00:42:33.615 --> 00:42:36.265
Like I would never even
get close to them because.

00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:39.570
They were just not going to
deal with me in that manner.

00:42:40.550 --> 00:42:44.610
It, because it becomes basically when
you're working with horses and you're

00:42:44.640 --> 00:42:45.960
calm, you become part of the herd.

00:42:46.900 --> 00:42:50.120
So they just kind of accept you
as part of the group and they walk

00:42:50.260 --> 00:42:54.460
in and amongst like in and around
you as they would other horses.

00:42:55.470 --> 00:43:00.070
And if you are, if you're really
agitated or, you know, I was working

00:43:00.070 --> 00:43:06.180
with a particular horses, Beautiful,
uh, he's a big saddle bread and he's

00:43:06.180 --> 00:43:08.930
got a giant white cross on his head
and his name is Dante and I thought

00:43:09.190 --> 00:43:11.350
it was fantastic and, uh, love it.

00:43:11.690 --> 00:43:17.430
Uh, absolutely beautiful horse, but he
was, he was the herd boss and if you

00:43:17.430 --> 00:43:22.740
came in there with a negative mindset,
he was going to engage you immediately.

00:43:23.450 --> 00:43:26.100
So there were lots of times I'd
walk in there kind of agitated

00:43:26.100 --> 00:43:27.280
or pissed off or, you know.

00:43:27.545 --> 00:43:30.655
I have something in my head and he
would walk up and he would like step

00:43:30.655 --> 00:43:35.505
on my toe, or he would bite my elbow
or he would like lean into me so that

00:43:35.505 --> 00:43:39.595
I would have to move or push him away
or something to engage me in my body.

00:43:40.855 --> 00:43:44.615
Bring me back to this moment rather
than being, you know, years ago in

00:43:44.615 --> 00:43:45.615
Afghanistan, that kind of stuff.

00:43:45.615 --> 00:43:51.625
So I cannot state how much equine
therapy got me to where I was.

00:43:51.695 --> 00:43:55.955
And that was one of the huge leaps was
just work with the horses until you're,

00:43:55.955 --> 00:43:59.400
you know, At peace inside the herd.

00:44:00.070 --> 00:44:04.220
Travis Bader: So I, I, there's something
I've toyed around with a bit in my head

00:44:04.290 --> 00:44:08.660
and I think that, you know, Number one,
for most people that have problems out

00:44:08.660 --> 00:44:10.430
there, they don't actually have problems.

00:44:10.990 --> 00:44:11.340
Right.

00:44:11.680 --> 00:44:17.340
Uh, the problems are more what manifests
or that they look at it cause they

00:44:17.340 --> 00:44:18.800
haven't looked at it in the right way.

00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:22.230
They haven't, uh, you know,
what does Shakespeare say?

00:44:22.230 --> 00:44:25.240
There's neither good nor bad,
but thinking makes it so right.

00:44:26.100 --> 00:44:30.920
And sometimes all a person needs is just
that little bit different perspective.

00:44:31.010 --> 00:44:31.450
Yes.

00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:34.220
They feel really bad because they're
running away from their problems.

00:44:34.220 --> 00:44:35.460
And someone says, hold on a second.

00:44:35.460 --> 00:44:36.850
Are you running away from your problems?

00:44:36.850 --> 00:44:38.720
Are you running towards
something more desirable?

00:44:39.130 --> 00:44:43.715
And then click that little frame and like,
Hell yeah, I'm going to go full force and

00:44:43.715 --> 00:44:45.215
run towards that more desirable thing.

00:44:45.215 --> 00:44:50.585
So I think for a lot of people, the
problems, if they look at it and say,

00:44:51.245 --> 00:44:56.785
what I'm feeling right now is a natural
by product of sort of my life experiences

00:44:56.785 --> 00:45:00.465
and the way that I, my body and mind
deals with it and how I go through it.

00:45:00.895 --> 00:45:05.285
And rather trying to fight it,
maybe explore it, and then.

00:45:05.750 --> 00:45:09.140
You see somebody else around yourself
in the community of different people

00:45:09.140 --> 00:45:12.760
who can accept and maybe help you
frame it in a more positive way.

00:45:13.445 --> 00:45:18.255
But then there's, so I'm, I'm a little
torn because I truly do believe that for a

00:45:18.255 --> 00:45:21.295
lot of things, it's just, there is a snap.

00:45:21.295 --> 00:45:24.815
Sometimes it takes, it's like people say,
Oh, Travis, you're really successful.

00:45:24.815 --> 00:45:26.285
It's like, just happened overnight.

00:45:26.305 --> 00:45:26.775
Oh yeah.

00:45:26.785 --> 00:45:31.455
I mean, 12 years ago, 12 years
of work for an overnight success.

00:45:31.455 --> 00:45:31.835
Right.

00:45:32.705 --> 00:45:35.615
Um, and, and maybe that's it.

00:45:35.635 --> 00:45:38.295
You've got to try all these different
paths and you've got to look in these

00:45:38.315 --> 00:45:44.610
things and you have to, You have to,
I guess, fully visualize, understand,

00:45:44.610 --> 00:45:46.210
and then commit to make it work.

00:45:46.260 --> 00:45:51.370
So I do believe there's that snap moment,
but there's also the whole concept of, uh,

00:45:51.380 --> 00:45:54.330
repetitive patterns to make it a habit.

00:45:54.820 --> 00:45:59.140
And like, when you say you're still
seeing the same person, you're

00:45:59.140 --> 00:46:00.830
still doing the equine therapy.

00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:03.410
You know, the right path,
you know, the area to go, but

00:46:03.410 --> 00:46:04.940
you're still doing these things.

00:46:04.940 --> 00:46:07.330
Cause you can see that there's work.

00:46:08.525 --> 00:46:12.515
Chance Burles: 100 percent and I
would say more so than just work,

00:46:12.755 --> 00:46:14.495
but there is consistent benefit.

00:46:15.385 --> 00:46:19.345
And that's, I think that's the key is
that a lot of people, a lot of people

00:46:19.345 --> 00:46:23.135
I know that struggle with therapy
or they struggle with, um, their own

00:46:23.135 --> 00:46:26.485
issues or they, you know, Oh, that's
too woo woo for me or whatever.

00:46:26.485 --> 00:46:29.945
I actually got a buddy of mine who
was like, man, you're looking great.

00:46:29.945 --> 00:46:31.715
I, you know, we hadn't
seen each other in years.

00:46:31.715 --> 00:46:33.195
He's like, you know,
what have you been doing?

00:46:33.195 --> 00:46:35.225
And I'm like, Oh, equine therapy, man.

00:46:35.235 --> 00:46:37.555
And you got to like, go see some horses.

00:46:37.555 --> 00:46:38.705
And he's like, I'm allergic to horses.

00:46:38.705 --> 00:46:39.955
I'm like, don't go see horses.

00:46:42.355 --> 00:46:45.715
It is a, you know, a particular
lane or a particular modality.

00:46:45.715 --> 00:46:49.955
If you find something that you
actually get benefit out of.

00:46:50.015 --> 00:46:50.375
Travis Bader: Yeah.

00:46:50.745 --> 00:46:51.075
Chance Burles: Yeah.

00:46:51.155 --> 00:46:51.655
Keep going.

00:46:51.655 --> 00:46:52.815
Like, absolutely.

00:46:53.355 --> 00:46:54.495
There are going to be hard times.

00:46:54.495 --> 00:46:58.465
There were times that I was working
the horses that nothing seemed to

00:46:58.465 --> 00:47:02.255
work, but I knew that if I kept working
with the horses, I would see benefit.

00:47:02.535 --> 00:47:02.915
Sure.

00:47:02.935 --> 00:47:04.055
Same thing with jujitsu, right?

00:47:04.055 --> 00:47:05.665
There are times that I
try a technique that.

00:47:06.890 --> 00:47:08.450
It doesn't make any sense.

00:47:08.450 --> 00:47:10.310
And my body doesn't seem to work.

00:47:10.310 --> 00:47:12.860
And I don't know why I
can't get to that position.

00:47:12.860 --> 00:47:15.350
And this, I just like, it
didn't, I don't like it.

00:47:16.150 --> 00:47:16.490
Okay.

00:47:16.520 --> 00:47:19.510
Well, I'll come back to it in six
months, you know, after I get some

00:47:19.510 --> 00:47:23.470
more work and I can maybe look at
it from a different angle or get to

00:47:23.470 --> 00:47:27.950
hear from there, or maybe, maybe just
the route that I'm taking is wrong.

00:47:28.080 --> 00:47:28.560
Yeah.

00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:31.990
Maybe I need to back up, do
three more steps off the left and

00:47:31.990 --> 00:47:32.730
then come at it from the right.

00:47:32.730 --> 00:47:33.640
Like who knows?

00:47:33.640 --> 00:47:33.659
Okay.

00:47:34.130 --> 00:47:38.130
Travis Bader: I think for doing something
physical in nature, like jujitsu and

00:47:38.130 --> 00:47:43.280
trying to find that right move, uh,
trying to improve yourself mentally,

00:47:43.500 --> 00:47:48.700
physically, what, whatever the new
skill is, that mindset shift is massive.

00:47:48.750 --> 00:47:51.040
And you have, you actually
have to believe it.

00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:53.130
It's not okay.

00:47:53.130 --> 00:47:55.410
Just to lie to yourself
and say, oh, I can do this.

00:47:55.470 --> 00:48:00.020
And then you, you totally can't
because your body knows your

00:48:00.020 --> 00:48:02.470
mind knows, and you're just
sitting there lying to yourself.

00:48:02.900 --> 00:48:06.050
Something I've never, I don't think I've
ever told anyone this, definitely not

00:48:06.050 --> 00:48:11.235
on the podcast, but, uh, I didn't know
how to say my asses until I was in grade

00:48:11.735 --> 00:48:12.135
11.

00:48:12.225 --> 00:48:17.585
So I went, uh, for about, well,
whatever that time period is, I ended

00:48:17.585 --> 00:48:20.155
up going through a bunch of schools,
like I kicked out of a bunch of them.

00:48:20.155 --> 00:48:23.685
And I was going into a
new school for grade 11.

00:48:23.685 --> 00:48:25.485
And I said, there's no way.

00:48:25.790 --> 00:48:29.280
I want to go into this new
school and I can't say my asses.

00:48:29.420 --> 00:48:32.490
I could fake them pretty
good unless I smiled.

00:48:32.500 --> 00:48:34.150
So I learned never smile.

00:48:34.380 --> 00:48:34.460
Right?

00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:39.130
It's second, I smiled and come out
and I had people, I'd saw so many

00:48:39.130 --> 00:48:43.360
different people and they're like, oh,
it's cause you need braces or you got

00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:46.004
a gap in your teeth or whatever it is.

00:48:46.225 --> 00:48:49.625
And I was given the choice as a kid, you
can get braces, or you can get a bike.

00:48:49.625 --> 00:48:50.615
And I said, I want a bike.

00:48:50.775 --> 00:49:01.655
I got neither, but, um, anyways, um, I
learned my asses in one day and it took

00:49:01.975 --> 00:49:07.475
two weeks of just kind of consciously
thinking about it and practicing in order

00:49:07.475 --> 00:49:09.355
to kind of make it a bit of a habit.

00:49:09.355 --> 00:49:09.784
And it was.

00:49:11.435 --> 00:49:15.145
But I did that on my summer break
between grade 10 and grade 11.

00:49:15.615 --> 00:49:20.705
I saw a woman out at the Surrey Memorial
Hospital in their speech therapy clinic.

00:49:20.705 --> 00:49:23.065
And she came in and she says, try this.

00:49:23.485 --> 00:49:27.935
And I tried it and I came back the next
day and she says, well, we can do one more

00:49:27.935 --> 00:49:30.665
day if you want, but I don't think you
need to, you just need to practice now.

00:49:31.225 --> 00:49:35.785
And I tried so hard all the way
up into that point of always

00:49:35.795 --> 00:49:39.565
practicing, always trying, And I
think a lot of things are like that.

00:49:39.875 --> 00:49:45.105
I think if you're having a physical,
um, challenges, things that you're

00:49:45.105 --> 00:49:47.825
trying to do in jujitsu, all of a
sudden you have to find that right way.

00:49:47.825 --> 00:49:51.075
When people say practice makes
perfect, that's completely wrong.

00:49:51.505 --> 00:49:52.675
Practice makes what?

00:49:52.685 --> 00:49:53.235
Progress.

00:49:53.545 --> 00:49:54.835
Practice makes permanent.

00:49:54.895 --> 00:49:55.285
Permanent.

00:49:55.285 --> 00:49:55.575
Sure.

00:49:55.605 --> 00:49:55.905
Yeah.

00:49:56.415 --> 00:49:57.015
Perfect.

00:49:57.065 --> 00:49:58.685
Practice makes perfect.

00:49:58.695 --> 00:49:59.105
There you go.

00:49:59.115 --> 00:50:02.205
So you actually have to
practice the thing properly.

00:50:02.225 --> 00:50:02.695
And.

00:50:03.755 --> 00:50:07.445
When you said you saw one more
person, you may have that aha moment.

00:50:07.735 --> 00:50:09.455
Your friend says, go see somebody else.

00:50:10.025 --> 00:50:13.465
I think that's something that a lot
of people could use because they go in

00:50:13.465 --> 00:50:15.225
and they say, I talked to the doctor.

00:50:15.225 --> 00:50:16.395
They say, I got these problems.

00:50:16.395 --> 00:50:17.185
I've been working on it.

00:50:17.185 --> 00:50:18.115
It's not working.

00:50:18.735 --> 00:50:19.255
Yeah.

00:50:20.175 --> 00:50:24.295
Because everyone's different and
their approach or their, they can say

00:50:24.295 --> 00:50:28.185
the exact same thing that somebody
else can say, but that somebody else

00:50:28.515 --> 00:50:30.445
connects with you and it makes it work.

00:50:30.715 --> 00:50:31.635
Chance Burles: That connection is key.

00:50:31.645 --> 00:50:33.189
And I've told many, many people.

00:50:33.330 --> 00:50:35.960
Many people this that say they
struggle with therapy and I'm like,

00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:36.980
how many therapists have you seen?

00:50:36.980 --> 00:50:37.670
And they're like one.

00:50:37.950 --> 00:50:38.820
I'm like, okay, go see another one.

00:50:40.250 --> 00:50:42.370
But I've talked to people who
have been like, I've seen 16.

00:50:42.600 --> 00:50:46.650
Yeah, and you're like, okay, go see
somebody else and just keep having, like,

00:50:47.020 --> 00:50:52.499
if, if therapy is the realm that you
want to go down, keep hitting that realm.

00:50:52.740 --> 00:50:57.000
Until you find what you need to
find, if, you know, I, I hear this a

00:50:57.000 --> 00:50:59.420
lot too, and it drives me nuts when
people are all like, Oh, the gym is

00:50:59.420 --> 00:51:01.150
my therapy or the range is my therapy.

00:51:01.150 --> 00:51:04.440
And I'm like, no, that's
a bandaid for the issue.

00:51:04.450 --> 00:51:05.660
You're not actually
dealing with the issue.

00:51:05.660 --> 00:51:06.090
You're just.

00:51:07.055 --> 00:51:10.715
You're going to the gym, you're not
actually doing anything you're, you're,

00:51:10.715 --> 00:51:14.005
you know, it's a mindful moment and
yet there's lots that can be done in

00:51:14.005 --> 00:51:16.245
there and same thing with jujitsu and
same thing with all these other things.

00:51:16.425 --> 00:51:16.815
Great.

00:51:17.055 --> 00:51:17.915
Keep doing those things.

00:51:18.915 --> 00:51:22.655
But if you want to actually explore what
the issue is, I mean, we, you and I sat

00:51:22.655 --> 00:51:26.955
down, we had this great conversation
before we got recording family issues

00:51:26.985 --> 00:51:30.225
and you know, self worth and where do
you, where do you think that comes from?

00:51:30.225 --> 00:51:31.445
And perhaps what about this?

00:51:31.445 --> 00:51:35.005
And I wonder, and it's those
moments of curiosity of.

00:51:35.845 --> 00:51:39.685
You know, I, I took the time to think
about the issue that I was having with

00:51:39.685 --> 00:51:44.805
my sister and then by doing that, that
opened the door to the next realm of,

00:51:44.955 --> 00:51:46.045
oh, well, where did that come from?

00:51:46.735 --> 00:51:48.895
Oh, well, it came from these actions.

00:51:48.945 --> 00:51:51.765
Oh, well, those actions started with this.

00:51:51.805 --> 00:51:52.295
Oh, okay.

00:51:52.295 --> 00:51:55.335
And you just did it
back to the core of it.

00:51:55.345 --> 00:51:59.295
And you go, oh, that's so, you know,
the issues with my own self worth

00:51:59.295 --> 00:52:03.515
come from the fact that I always was
the fall guy growing up as a kid.

00:52:04.345 --> 00:52:08.490
And because of that, I put myself
into a position to be the fall guy

00:52:08.490 --> 00:52:13.340
on a regular basis, so I would always
be the dude that took the brunt of

00:52:13.370 --> 00:52:17.980
whatever was coming down the pipe
because that was going to happen anyway.

00:52:18.640 --> 00:52:20.480
So may as well just put
myself in the door anyway.

00:52:21.060 --> 00:52:21.310
Right?

00:52:21.370 --> 00:52:23.380
That's one of the reasons why I
wanted to be a machine gunner,

00:52:23.380 --> 00:52:24.200
as we were saying earlier.

00:52:24.980 --> 00:52:26.360
They're always in the
worst position anyway.

00:52:26.720 --> 00:52:28.970
That's where all the
rounds go to anyway, right?

00:52:29.590 --> 00:52:31.290
If, if people are going to shoot at me.

00:52:31.705 --> 00:52:34.055
I'm going to be the guy
everybody shoots at, because then

00:52:34.055 --> 00:52:35.215
everybody else can do their job.

00:52:35.625 --> 00:52:39.015
Travis Bader: And you were telling me
before that you'd mentally role play.

00:52:39.015 --> 00:52:41.315
So you're prepared when it goes wrong.

00:52:41.345 --> 00:52:42.275
Here's what I'm going to do.

00:52:42.575 --> 00:52:45.894
Not if it goes wrong, when it goes wrong.

00:52:45.975 --> 00:52:52.185
And so much of that mindset, I find
we will create our own destiny.

00:52:52.195 --> 00:52:54.995
We will create our own future
when this happens, guess what?

00:52:55.005 --> 00:52:55.705
It's going to happen.

00:52:56.055 --> 00:52:59.715
So if we have the power to be able
to do that, why don't we input a.

00:53:00.020 --> 00:53:03.950
When it goes right, here's some,
I'm going to steal from your old

00:53:04.310 --> 00:53:08.810
podcast, old tools from the toolbox
that I can put in just in case.

00:53:08.820 --> 00:53:12.730
So I can understand and get myself back
on that track for when it goes right.

00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:13.140
Yes.

00:53:13.390 --> 00:53:13.620
Chance Burles: Yeah.

00:53:13.660 --> 00:53:15.790
That's one thing that
I, that's a great line.

00:53:15.790 --> 00:53:16.550
I'm going to steal it too.

00:53:16.910 --> 00:53:20.450
Um, that's one thing I
didn't do for many years.

00:53:20.490 --> 00:53:22.280
I never looked at what
was going to go right.

00:53:22.690 --> 00:53:24.484
I always wondered why I wasn't doing it.

00:53:24.835 --> 00:53:27.195
You know, why am I not getting
promoted when these other

00:53:27.195 --> 00:53:28.065
guys are getting promoted?

00:53:28.075 --> 00:53:33.115
Why are these getting guys getting courses
and I'm not versus why am I not putting

00:53:33.115 --> 00:53:35.275
myself in a position to be promoted?

00:53:35.745 --> 00:53:36.605
Why am I not?

00:53:36.955 --> 00:53:39.995
Acting in a way that's going to get
me on this course, I just kind of

00:53:39.995 --> 00:53:42.545
expected things were either going
to come to me or they weren't.

00:53:43.275 --> 00:53:48.305
And at no point did I take the
mindset of, if I work towards

00:53:48.305 --> 00:53:50.635
that, then I'll get there.

00:53:50.725 --> 00:53:51.025
Yeah.

00:53:51.355 --> 00:53:53.905
I just was always like, well, if I
work towards that, I'm going to get

00:53:53.915 --> 00:53:56.295
thrown in a frigging in the bin anyway.

00:53:56.695 --> 00:53:58.255
So what's the point of working?

00:53:58.255 --> 00:53:59.735
It's going to, it's either
going to show up or it's not.

00:54:00.355 --> 00:54:04.145
And that was, that was a huge leap for
me later on in my life after I was out

00:54:04.145 --> 00:54:05.555
of the military and so on and so forth.

00:54:05.930 --> 00:54:12.640
Where I got to the point that I could,
I knew that I could succeed if I

00:54:12.820 --> 00:54:19.430
worked towards success, rather than
I'm going to put the work in and fail.

00:54:20.470 --> 00:54:25.000
And that's, that's where I'm going to sit
versus I put the work in and I just keep

00:54:25.010 --> 00:54:29.000
putting the work in because I know that
at the end of that success will show up.

00:54:29.120 --> 00:54:29.690
Yeah.

00:54:30.140 --> 00:54:32.940
So like, you know, I always wanted
to be, I wanted to be a jumper.

00:54:33.230 --> 00:54:34.140
I wanted to go airborne.

00:54:34.160 --> 00:54:35.690
I was like, yeah, throw me out of a plane.

00:54:35.690 --> 00:54:36.170
This could be great.

00:54:36.170 --> 00:54:36.190
Huh?

00:54:37.725 --> 00:54:38.835
But I never did any work.

00:54:39.185 --> 00:54:44.835
I never put myself in a position
to, um, to be that guy that when the

00:54:44.835 --> 00:54:48.215
unit goes, Hey, we got some, we got
some slots on the next jump course.

00:54:48.215 --> 00:54:49.215
Who would you recommend?

00:54:49.625 --> 00:54:52.565
My name was not on that list because
I didn't put the work in to do that.

00:54:52.565 --> 00:54:55.305
I like, I could have, I could
have started reading them pams.

00:54:55.305 --> 00:54:57.995
I could have started doing
pull ups in the hallway.

00:54:57.995 --> 00:55:02.365
Like I could have put myself in a
position to succeed in that moment.

00:55:02.625 --> 00:55:03.865
Travis Bader: But did
you actually want that?

00:55:04.165 --> 00:55:07.235
I mean, there's, there's a, the
mindset of, Hey, that'd be cool.

00:55:07.235 --> 00:55:07.985
That's what I want.

00:55:10.145 --> 00:55:13.835
And then there's a reality of, Oh my God,
I'm going to be jumping into airplanes.

00:55:13.835 --> 00:55:15.205
I'm going to be a hard charger.

00:55:15.205 --> 00:55:16.935
I just look at all this
work that goes in there.

00:55:16.945 --> 00:55:16.965
Yeah.

00:55:17.350 --> 00:55:20.350
I want the end result, but
maybe I don't want that.

00:55:20.680 --> 00:55:25.320
Uh, I like the idea of it,
but not the actuality of it.

00:55:25.830 --> 00:55:27.810
And maybe that's not a bad thing.

00:55:28.220 --> 00:55:32.230
If you can realize that if you
don't actually like the actuality

00:55:32.230 --> 00:55:36.810
of it, maybe we just find out the
actuality of something that we do like

00:55:37.160 --> 00:55:37.670
Chance Burles: and where

00:55:37.670 --> 00:55:38.010
Travis Bader: you are

00:55:38.010 --> 00:55:38.450
Chance Burles: suited.

00:55:39.090 --> 00:55:40.420
I wanted to be a hard charger.

00:55:40.560 --> 00:55:43.180
Like that's the, that's the thing I
really wanted to do the job when I,

00:55:43.190 --> 00:55:46.270
especially, it's one of the reasons why
I volunteered for the engineers was, I

00:55:46.270 --> 00:55:51.720
was Um, in Afghanistan, they're going
to be in the worst possible position.

00:55:51.730 --> 00:55:52.320
Right.

00:55:52.350 --> 00:55:52.860
Let's hit it.

00:55:53.350 --> 00:55:53.420
Right.

00:55:53.730 --> 00:56:00.500
Um, but to your point, I had no
idea what it took to get there.

00:56:00.900 --> 00:56:03.800
I just knew that I wanted to get to
this end result and I just kind of

00:56:03.800 --> 00:56:06.180
expected that I'm in, I'm in line.

00:56:06.820 --> 00:56:13.150
I'll eventually get there without any real
thought as to what it took to get there.

00:56:14.210 --> 00:56:18.680
So I was, it was very, I mean, I
got offered my dive course and,

00:56:19.430 --> 00:56:20.990
They were like, Hey man, you
want to go on the dive prelim?

00:56:20.990 --> 00:56:22.860
And I was like, no, I want
to be a jumper, not a diver.

00:56:24.170 --> 00:56:27.000
Had I had some forethought, I
would've, you know, understood that

00:56:27.470 --> 00:56:33.050
by completing the dive course, I would
be a shoo in for the jump course.

00:56:33.530 --> 00:56:34.060
So

00:56:36.120 --> 00:56:38.340
it's a, uh, it, yeah, it's personal.

00:56:38.350 --> 00:56:40.120
It's learned experience.

00:56:40.160 --> 00:56:42.084
Unfortunately for a lot of us, we have to.

00:56:42.885 --> 00:56:43.575
Yeah.

00:56:44.085 --> 00:56:45.525
To your point though, you know,

00:56:47.595 --> 00:56:51.845
I think, had I known, had, had I either
had a, you know, some leadership that

00:56:51.845 --> 00:56:55.725
actually sat me down and was like, man,
you have, you have the skill, you have

00:56:55.725 --> 00:57:00.775
the capability, you have the, uh, the
mindset for it, but the physicality

00:57:00.795 --> 00:57:02.095
portion, this is what you need to do.

00:57:02.165 --> 00:57:03.045
You need to be able to do that.

00:57:03.045 --> 00:57:03.555
You did it.

00:57:03.555 --> 00:57:06.635
Uh, you'd like, give me some,
a little bit of direction.

00:57:07.055 --> 00:57:09.385
Unfortunately, the, the
engineer regiment was not, uh,

00:57:13.090 --> 00:57:15.390
Travis Bader: So the few kinds of
people that I've met in my life that

00:57:15.390 --> 00:57:20.190
seem to be really successful in, in
life and be able to achieve these goals

00:57:20.190 --> 00:57:24.540
that they're looking for are either
a, the ones that have others around

00:57:24.540 --> 00:57:27.870
them that have succeeded, and they
can see that path forward and they

00:57:27.870 --> 00:57:30.805
can talk with it and they Understand.

00:57:30.825 --> 00:57:35.735
And that's, you know, not necessarily
nepotistic, but it provides a framework

00:57:35.735 --> 00:57:39.815
that, you know, if one man can do another
can do it's like a, the miracle mile.

00:57:39.855 --> 00:57:40.255
Yes.

00:57:40.285 --> 00:57:40.685
Okay.

00:57:40.685 --> 00:57:43.595
So for those who are listening
here, who, who ran it?

00:57:43.595 --> 00:57:47.885
It was Roger Bannister and there's Landry.

00:57:47.885 --> 00:57:48.415
Was it?

00:57:49.145 --> 00:57:50.065
Uh, I can't remember.

00:57:50.685 --> 00:57:52.145
Somebody will correct me on here.

00:57:52.465 --> 00:57:58.395
We got a statue down in Vancouver, the two
of them doing a, so Roger Bannister ran a

00:57:58.395 --> 00:58:01.755
mile in under four minutes prior to that.

00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:05.060
Everyone thought the four
minute mile was impossible.

00:58:05.540 --> 00:58:09.320
However, after the four minute mile, I
think there was seven other people who

00:58:09.350 --> 00:58:14.090
ran it the next year, and then it was
like 60 something the year after, and now

00:58:14.090 --> 00:58:16.630
everyone runs a mile under four minutes.

00:58:16.780 --> 00:58:17.980
What happened?

00:58:18.040 --> 00:58:19.160
What's changed?

00:58:19.830 --> 00:58:23.210
All that changed was people
knew it was now possible.

00:58:23.550 --> 00:58:27.550
And so the people I found do well are
the ones who know it's possible based

00:58:27.550 --> 00:58:31.930
on the structure, the people around them
that have done it and they've associated

00:58:31.930 --> 00:58:33.090
and they say, Hey, you can do it.

00:58:33.090 --> 00:58:33.780
I can do it too.

00:58:33.780 --> 00:58:34.160
Right.

00:58:34.710 --> 00:58:40.865
Or the people that just blindly know
that I'm going to do what happened.

00:58:40.865 --> 00:58:41.595
Chance Burles: Yeah, right.

00:58:41.805 --> 00:58:44.155
Travis Bader: And they're so
pigheaded and stubborn and they push

00:58:44.155 --> 00:58:47.635
it forward and they just consume
anything they want and around.

00:58:47.915 --> 00:58:51.815
Now that's a difficult path because
you're going to make a lot of mistakes.

00:58:52.025 --> 00:58:55.215
And when you finally get there,
I mean, it'll be hard earned.

00:58:56.710 --> 00:59:00.570
You'll look back, did the
ends justify the means?

00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:02.520
I mean, I look at that in business.

00:59:03.090 --> 00:59:04.150
I mean, I've done things.

00:59:04.150 --> 00:59:07.530
I remember our first bookkeeper,
Trav, you can't afford a bookkeeper.

00:59:08.600 --> 00:59:10.870
I'm like, yeah, but I need
someone to help me with this.

00:59:10.870 --> 00:59:12.310
I need to understand what's going on.

00:59:12.680 --> 00:59:15.150
I'm going to hire a receptionist,
Trav, you can't, you can't

00:59:15.240 --> 00:59:16.990
afford to have a receptionist.

00:59:16.990 --> 00:59:17.280
Right.

00:59:19.180 --> 00:59:20.230
But I did it anyways.

00:59:20.835 --> 00:59:25.165
And by the, I said, okay, first
receptionist, tell you what, come

00:59:25.165 --> 00:59:28.875
on for a few hours a day, a couple
of days a week, we'll do this.

00:59:28.875 --> 00:59:29.195
Right.

00:59:29.195 --> 00:59:32.315
And by the end of the first week was like,
okay, when can you come on full time?

00:59:32.545 --> 00:59:34.695
I didn't realize how much
business I was actually missing

00:59:34.695 --> 00:59:36.245
by not having these pieces.

00:59:37.425 --> 00:59:41.395
I always know I will achieve
what I'm putting my head towards.

00:59:41.705 --> 00:59:42.425
However.

00:59:43.115 --> 00:59:47.395
When I get to the end result and
look back, maybe there's a much

00:59:47.395 --> 00:59:48.855
smarter way I could have got here.

00:59:48.885 --> 00:59:50.555
Did the ends justify the means.

00:59:50.555 --> 00:59:53.965
And so sometimes there's gotta be
a gut check and a recalibration.

00:59:54.255 --> 00:59:55.845
Am I moving towards the right area?

00:59:55.855 --> 00:59:57.195
Am I doing this in the right way?

00:59:57.235 --> 00:59:57.445
Yeah.

00:59:58.685 --> 01:00:06.015
This is where I see the biggest value
of the collective, because you humanize

01:00:06.055 --> 01:00:12.355
people who would otherwise be, uh,
sort of, it would be illusory for

01:00:12.355 --> 01:00:14.665
a lot of people to think, I'm just
going to pick up the phone or I'm

01:00:14.665 --> 01:00:20.315
going to talk with, uh, Delta forest
operator or Greenberry, so and so.

01:00:20.315 --> 01:00:20.575
Right.

01:00:20.575 --> 01:00:20.785
Yeah.

01:00:21.305 --> 01:00:25.345
Um, or people who've been successful in
business or people who've done things

01:00:25.345 --> 01:00:27.485
that are extraordinary in their own life.

01:00:27.535 --> 01:00:30.555
And then you talk to them
and you realize, Holy crow.

01:00:30.855 --> 01:00:31.665
They're just like me.

01:00:32.055 --> 01:00:33.745
They've had the same sort of background.

01:00:33.745 --> 01:00:35.075
They've had the same sort of things.

01:00:35.075 --> 01:00:37.215
They just took a, a left one.

01:00:37.215 --> 01:00:38.225
Maybe I took a right.

01:00:39.015 --> 01:00:42.845
And that's where I think if people
haven't tuned into the collective or

01:00:42.845 --> 01:00:46.945
listened to it, have would, should, and
they pick up some really good value.

01:00:47.855 --> 01:00:52.665
And I got to wonder out of all the
episodes that you've done, you've

01:00:52.765 --> 01:00:59.750
probably had some Interesting stories
from listeners who's come up and say, you

01:00:59.750 --> 01:01:02.410
know what, because of this, this happened.

01:01:02.780 --> 01:01:07.330
And I was hoping maybe you could talk
about a few of those sort of powerful

01:01:07.340 --> 01:01:13.900
stories, either from guests who've been
on, who've really impacted the, uh, the

01:01:13.900 --> 01:01:18.080
direction of the collective or people
in the audience who said, you know

01:01:18.080 --> 01:01:19.730
what, this has really made a difference.

01:01:20.550 --> 01:01:23.020
Do you have any of those
just to put you on the spot?

01:01:23.020 --> 01:01:27.200
Chance Burles: So many, uh, it's actually
hard to, to narrow it down to one or

01:01:27.200 --> 01:01:32.860
two, but, um, for, for guests, uh, the
coolest thing that I've seen in terms

01:01:32.860 --> 01:01:37.280
of for guests been on is the amount of
collaboration that's happened afterwards.

01:01:37.580 --> 01:01:40.580
So like, we talked about the green
room, you know, after we shut down the

01:01:40.580 --> 01:01:43.670
recording and everyone's sitting around
talking and, and then it's like, Oh, you

01:01:43.670 --> 01:01:46.010
know, Oh, you're in, you're out here.

01:01:46.010 --> 01:01:46.730
Oh, I'm out here.

01:01:46.730 --> 01:01:47.140
Oh, okay.

01:01:47.140 --> 01:01:50.080
Well, you know, I have this, uh,
business opportunity in that area.

01:01:50.080 --> 01:01:51.190
You mind if I check it out?

01:01:51.190 --> 01:01:55.545
Can we talk like, and then it just,
the, The guests themselves start

01:01:55.575 --> 01:01:58.365
working towards the collective
in and of themselves, right?

01:01:58.405 --> 01:02:01.325
They start creating a community and
they start working together and there

01:02:01.325 --> 01:02:06.565
have been, uh, I'd say at least a dozen
collaborations between guests, businesses,

01:02:06.565 --> 01:02:09.775
and things like that, that have been on
the collective that would never have met

01:02:10.235 --> 01:02:12.115
had I not scheduled them on the same day.

01:02:12.715 --> 01:02:13.485
Interesting.

01:02:13.495 --> 01:02:14.415
So there's that.

01:02:14.435 --> 01:02:15.075
And then.

01:02:15.910 --> 01:02:18.520
The, for the, you know, the
listeners, the people that are

01:02:18.520 --> 01:02:21.640
watching, I've had so many messages.

01:02:21.640 --> 01:02:22.340
I couldn't even tell you.

01:02:22.340 --> 01:02:26.080
It was like, man, this particular
episode got me out of my rut.

01:02:26.130 --> 01:02:27.460
I'm now running.

01:02:27.460 --> 01:02:28.470
I'm now active.

01:02:28.470 --> 01:02:29.190
I'm eating right.

01:02:29.190 --> 01:02:29.720
I'm doing this.

01:02:29.720 --> 01:02:30.790
I started jujitsu.

01:02:30.790 --> 01:02:32.800
I joined the military,
joined the police force.

01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:36.800
Like, I could, I couldn't tell you
how many of those I've had where

01:02:36.820 --> 01:02:42.315
people have completely Changed their
life from listening to a episode.

01:02:42.815 --> 01:02:44.355
Travis Bader: They've kicked
off the Dorito bag slippers.

01:02:44.385 --> 01:02:45.195
Chance Burles: A hundred percent.

01:02:45.195 --> 01:02:47.955
They've kicked off the Dorito bag
slippers, which I still got to

01:02:47.955 --> 01:02:51.335
make a shirt or maybe some slippers
with Dorito bags that people

01:02:51.335 --> 01:02:52.325
can kick off or something, but.

01:02:52.365 --> 01:02:53.895
Travis Bader: They actually
do make Dorito bag slippers.

01:02:53.895 --> 01:02:55.055
Chance Burles: Oh, okay.

01:02:55.055 --> 01:02:55.575
I got to get some of those.

01:02:55.775 --> 01:02:57.285
Travis Bader: Or at least Dorito slippers.

01:02:57.285 --> 01:02:57.645
Yeah,

01:02:57.825 --> 01:02:59.625
Chance Burles: I'm going to have
to get some, cause those are, uh,

01:02:59.955 --> 01:03:01.025
Those would be perfect for the show.

01:03:01.035 --> 01:03:05.705
But, uh, the, in terms of powerful
stories, honestly, the biggest one is

01:03:05.705 --> 01:03:12.965
for me and my own personal growth from
the collective has been exponential.

01:03:13.455 --> 01:03:17.005
Just like I went from trying
to help out who I could to.

01:03:17.865 --> 01:03:22.395
Actively seeking out different
ways to change the world.

01:03:22.785 --> 01:03:27.235
Like there was, I got tools for
toolbox started because I saw a hole.

01:03:27.295 --> 01:03:27.565
Yeah.

01:03:27.575 --> 01:03:29.585
I saw, you know, a bunch of
people who were struggling.

01:03:29.835 --> 01:03:32.975
I saw people who had information
and they weren't connecting.

01:03:32.975 --> 01:03:34.355
So how do I do that?

01:03:34.355 --> 01:03:37.335
I get the podcast together, you
know, well, let me interview you.

01:03:37.335 --> 01:03:39.695
And what tools do you use
for, you know, keep your.

01:03:40.290 --> 01:03:42.020
Your mindset and your self
worth and all that stuff.

01:03:42.040 --> 01:03:42.380
Sure.

01:03:43.580 --> 01:03:44.090
That's great.

01:03:44.120 --> 01:03:47.930
But I was kinda, it was like a hobby
and you know, I would talk to this

01:03:47.930 --> 01:03:50.530
guy and maybe that guy, and you know,
I'd reach out to certain people, but

01:03:50.530 --> 01:03:51.970
I wouldn't reach out to other people.

01:03:52.110 --> 01:03:52.480
Why?

01:03:53.180 --> 01:03:55.910
A lot of it was worth, a lot of it
came down to like, who's going to,

01:03:55.940 --> 01:03:57.030
this guy, isn't going to talk to me.

01:03:57.410 --> 01:03:58.310
Like, there's no way.

01:03:58.610 --> 01:04:02.990
And then through the collective, I
was constantly in need of guests.

01:04:03.230 --> 01:04:04.040
, that was one of the big ones.

01:04:04.040 --> 01:04:08.140
Just like I had to have guests every
day for, you know, a whole year.

01:04:08.140 --> 01:04:11.780
So I was just spamming people.

01:04:11.780 --> 01:04:12.785
Like it was just like that.

01:04:12.830 --> 01:04:12.980
I,

01:04:13.790 --> 01:04:15.080
Travis Bader: Instagram
dm, TikTok, dm, bam,

01:04:15.165 --> 01:04:18.080
Chance Burles: dm, Instagram,
Instagram, Instagram Messenger, email.

01:04:18.200 --> 01:04:22.730
And I just out to whoever I, and it
would take me, you know, five, six

01:04:22.730 --> 01:04:24.920
minutes to kind of scroll through
someone's Instagram and be like,

01:04:24.920 --> 01:04:26.690
yeah, oh yeah, they're pretty cool.

01:04:27.230 --> 01:04:27.605
Send 'em a message.

01:04:28.355 --> 01:04:29.185
And what are you looking for?

01:04:29.585 --> 01:04:33.185
Again, looking for, you
know, cool and capability.

01:04:33.525 --> 01:04:35.845
So someone that has had a life.

01:04:36.230 --> 01:04:37.460
That is full.

01:04:37.670 --> 01:04:39.320
They've done a bunch of different things.

01:04:40.330 --> 01:04:46.870
And, um, and isn't self righteous
in there, in the way that they

01:04:46.870 --> 01:04:48.240
were presenting themselves online.

01:04:48.750 --> 01:04:52.880
So that was the big one was my, my instant
turnoff was the moment I saw somebody who

01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:55.950
was all like, I'm so frigging awesome.

01:04:56.120 --> 01:04:59.750
Come take my class, buy my book,
buy my book, blah, blah, blah.

01:04:59.960 --> 01:05:01.960
Versus the people that I really like are.

01:05:02.390 --> 01:05:02.620
Oh yeah.

01:05:02.620 --> 01:05:03.360
I got a book out.

01:05:03.570 --> 01:05:05.040
Just came out a couple of weeks ago.

01:05:05.050 --> 01:05:07.230
I really appreciate any
feedback you guys had sent me.

01:05:08.370 --> 01:05:08.700
Travis Bader: Cool.

01:05:09.660 --> 01:05:09.960
Chance Burles: Yeah.

01:05:10.030 --> 01:05:11.100
Those are the building of the elite.

01:05:11.250 --> 01:05:11.560
Travis Bader: Yes.

01:05:11.570 --> 01:05:12.400
Have you seen that book?

01:05:12.630 --> 01:05:13.090
Of course you have.

01:05:13.100 --> 01:05:13.500
Yes.

01:05:13.580 --> 01:05:14.940
I mean, it's a Bible, right?

01:05:14.940 --> 01:05:15.320
It is.

01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:15.490
Yeah.

01:05:15.500 --> 01:05:16.100
Craig Weller.

01:05:16.100 --> 01:05:20.720
And it's just humble
with massive information.

01:05:20.750 --> 01:05:20.820
A

01:05:20.820 --> 01:05:21.310
Chance Burles: hundred percent.

01:05:21.310 --> 01:05:22.950
And we've had Craig on a number of times.

01:05:22.970 --> 01:05:24.330
We've had Jonathan on a number of times.

01:05:24.560 --> 01:05:27.710
Freaking awesome dudes, super relaxed.

01:05:27.750 --> 01:05:29.690
And they, again, they're
similar type of people.

01:05:29.690 --> 01:05:31.220
They just want more information.

01:05:31.430 --> 01:05:31.650
Yeah.

01:05:31.650 --> 01:05:32.920
How do we gain more information?

01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:34.010
Well, we start talking to people.

01:05:34.420 --> 01:05:35.360
How do we talk to people?

01:05:35.700 --> 01:05:38.915
I put them in a room together
and then See what happens.

01:05:38.915 --> 01:05:45.595
And I think we've had over, so last I
did the mass, we were over 700 guests

01:05:45.595 --> 01:05:51.755
total, or we're over 400 episodes
total, um, in terms of unique guests,

01:05:51.775 --> 01:05:57.195
because obviously we've had, sorry, how
many 400, uh, 400 episodes we're over.

01:05:57.285 --> 01:05:57.605
Yeah.

01:05:57.815 --> 01:05:59.895
We're over 700 guests total.

01:06:00.545 --> 01:06:04.415
But again, those are like
repeated, but in terms of unique

01:06:04.415 --> 01:06:06.545
guests, we're over 200 as well.

01:06:07.185 --> 01:06:07.835
So like.

01:06:08.215 --> 01:06:11.955
I've been hammering the internet
with just trying to get new, and

01:06:11.955 --> 01:06:13.105
I'm still looking for new people.

01:06:13.125 --> 01:06:13.345
Right.

01:06:13.345 --> 01:06:15.725
So I'm constantly bringing
new people onto the gold mine.

01:06:16.205 --> 01:06:19.915
And then we use that as kind of
a, uh, kind of a tryout, you know,

01:06:19.915 --> 01:06:21.085
see if the person's all right.

01:06:21.085 --> 01:06:24.335
And then they come on the collective
for the longer form podcast.

01:06:24.355 --> 01:06:30.715
But it is a, um, the, the growth
in myself and like, Broadcasting,

01:06:30.915 --> 01:06:35.425
like being able to speak clearly
and concisely, um, being humble in a

01:06:35.425 --> 01:06:38.015
conversation, not having to be heard.

01:06:38.065 --> 01:06:40.075
That was a big one for me
that I had to get over with.

01:06:41.315 --> 01:06:44.635
I, I really struggled with like, I'd sit
in a conversation with a bunch of people

01:06:44.635 --> 01:06:46.135
and I'd have to make my opinion known.

01:06:46.155 --> 01:06:47.545
Like people have to
know what I have to say.

01:06:47.565 --> 01:06:49.165
And then I'm like, no, they don't.

01:06:49.695 --> 01:06:49.985
Cool.

01:06:50.045 --> 01:06:53.235
Like if the conversation is
flowing, let the conversation flow.

01:06:53.295 --> 01:06:54.625
Don't, I don't need to be in there.

01:06:54.625 --> 01:06:54.855
Just.

01:06:54.875 --> 01:07:02.355
Um, so those two, and then like, uh,
my own self worth of the fact of the

01:07:02.355 --> 01:07:05.185
collective is it's, this is a big deal.

01:07:05.185 --> 01:07:06.665
This is a professional production.

01:07:06.665 --> 01:07:08.595
This is, I'm a professional podcaster.

01:07:08.595 --> 01:07:12.685
Like this is a key to who I
am as a person at this point.

01:07:14.065 --> 01:07:16.515
And, People need to be involved.

01:07:16.535 --> 01:07:18.945
So get out there, get talking
to people, engage people.

01:07:18.945 --> 01:07:22.175
And like, when we first started,
somebody asked me, Oh, what do you do?

01:07:22.175 --> 01:07:25.225
And I'm like, I'm, you know, ex
military and kind of run a little

01:07:25.225 --> 01:07:26.525
podcast off the side, right?

01:07:27.135 --> 01:07:28.485
And now people ask me what I do.

01:07:28.485 --> 01:07:30.445
And I'm like, Oh, I got
this, I'm a podcaster.

01:07:30.445 --> 01:07:31.205
I got this wicked show.

01:07:31.205 --> 01:07:31.985
It's called the collective.

01:07:31.985 --> 01:07:33.149
We talk to these people
and like, we're like,

01:07:34.680 --> 01:07:35.350
Travis Bader: That's awesome.

01:07:35.390 --> 01:07:37.400
You know, people ask me what I do.

01:07:37.710 --> 01:07:39.140
I've never said podcaster.

01:07:39.370 --> 01:07:40.960
I've never once said that.

01:07:42.140 --> 01:07:45.200
I usually say, well, as little
as little as possible, right?

01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:51.320
Chance Burles: But this is a, is an
interesting point is that earlier we asked

01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:55.610
you, you kind of, I mean, uh, almost a,
I wouldn't say throwaway comment, but,

01:07:55.970 --> 01:07:59.310
you know, you'd say, oh, well, you don't
want to burn bridges or you don't want

01:07:59.310 --> 01:08:01.190
to blow up bridges or anything like that.

01:08:01.190 --> 01:08:05.140
But in my mind, especially coming
from an engineer background, sure.

01:08:05.260 --> 01:08:07.700
If you need to blow a bridge,
blow it up, get rid of it.

01:08:07.850 --> 01:08:08.580
You can build a new one.

01:08:08.980 --> 01:08:09.170
Travis Bader: Yeah.

01:08:09.170 --> 01:08:13.730
We were talking about relationships
and a mindset of like, do I

01:08:13.740 --> 01:08:15.080
have to blow up this bridge?

01:08:15.080 --> 01:08:19.345
Do I have to, like, you, you want,
Go through life, maybe, maybe I just

01:08:19.345 --> 01:08:23.435
don't go over that bridge or, or
yeah, but there are times you need

01:08:23.435 --> 01:08:25.195
to absolutely detonate that bridge.

01:08:26.425 --> 01:08:29.825
Chance Burles: And in your own mind
too, like in your own person, if you,

01:08:30.675 --> 01:08:34.755
if you don't remove that section of
your life, even for just a little bit.

01:08:36.210 --> 01:08:37.850
You'll never know what it's
like to live without it.

01:08:38.510 --> 01:08:39.990
So like, you know, I quit smoking.

01:08:39.990 --> 01:08:41.560
I've basically quit drinking.

01:08:41.560 --> 01:08:45.420
I've done a bunch of like, I'm working out
more often, I'm doing all these things,

01:08:45.420 --> 01:08:50.190
but had I kept the piece of me that was
like, ah, you know, just kind of relax on

01:08:50.190 --> 01:08:52.500
the couch and chill out for a little bit.

01:08:52.640 --> 01:08:55.570
Travis Bader: Tell me about
quitting drinking and the why.

01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:57.140
Chance Burles: So that
was an interesting one.

01:08:57.180 --> 01:09:02.965
Um, There was a point in time I, I
was in the fridge and I went to go

01:09:02.965 --> 01:09:06.045
for a beer that was in the fridge and
I wasn't a super heavy drinker, but

01:09:06.045 --> 01:09:07.625
I would have a drink or two a night.

01:09:08.445 --> 01:09:11.755
And my doc always says that
makes me a heavy drinker, but

01:09:14.265 --> 01:09:16.105
Travis Bader: how did you,
are we counting beers too?

01:09:16.115 --> 01:09:17.565
Yeah, well, I guess like, geez,

01:09:17.565 --> 01:09:22.245
Chance Burles: but I, you
know, I would enjoy, Yeah.

01:09:22.765 --> 01:09:23.925
A drink with dinner.

01:09:23.985 --> 01:09:24.295
Sure.

01:09:24.335 --> 01:09:25.185
Or with lunch.

01:09:25.195 --> 01:09:25.215
Yeah.

01:09:25.225 --> 01:09:28.475
You know, but I, I never considered
myself like, oh man, I need a drink.

01:09:28.475 --> 01:09:29.124
Yeah.

01:09:29.305 --> 01:09:32.525
And yeah, I went to the fridge one
day and there, I was out of beer and

01:09:32.525 --> 01:09:35.085
I was like, oh man, I need to go to
the store and get some more beer.

01:09:35.165 --> 01:09:35.475
Hmm.

01:09:35.675 --> 01:09:40.575
And in that moment I was
like, do I, do I need to?

01:09:40.635 --> 01:09:40.965
Travis Bader: Hmm.

01:09:40.965 --> 01:09:40.975
I

01:09:42.155 --> 01:09:43.195
Chance Burles: don't think I need to.

01:09:44.285 --> 01:09:44.735
You know what?

01:09:44.785 --> 01:09:45.325
I'm going to try.

01:09:46.195 --> 01:09:49.775
And so I just stopped drinking for, I
think it was like two, three months.

01:09:49.785 --> 01:09:49.805
Yeah.

01:09:49.815 --> 01:09:51.715
And then just right off the
bat, I was just like, oh, okay.

01:09:51.715 --> 01:09:54.565
So I don't actually need to drink.

01:09:54.735 --> 01:09:54.885
Travis Bader: Hmm.

01:09:54.945 --> 01:09:54.965
Yeah.

01:09:54.965 --> 01:09:55.000
Hmm.

01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:55.034
Hmm.

01:09:55.845 --> 01:09:56.115
Chance Burles: Okay.

01:09:56.115 --> 01:09:56.745
Well, that makes sense.

01:09:56.745 --> 01:10:00.155
And so I, but at that point I was like,
I'm still going to go buy some beer.

01:10:00.155 --> 01:10:02.505
Cause I do enjoy the flavor
and I enjoy having it.

01:10:03.105 --> 01:10:06.515
And then, uh, Sean and I were talking
at one point in time and he was

01:10:06.515 --> 01:10:08.275
like, you know, I, he has a rule.

01:10:08.275 --> 01:10:11.305
He gives himself six drinks,
six ounces, six drinks a year.

01:10:11.415 --> 01:10:11.805
Travis Bader: Yeah.

01:10:11.885 --> 01:10:12.285
Period.

01:10:12.945 --> 01:10:14.295
I want him to remember his day.

01:10:14.305 --> 01:10:14.605
Chance Burles: Yeah.

01:10:14.665 --> 01:10:17.415
And that's, you know, there's,
you, you start locking those in

01:10:17.465 --> 01:10:20.985
and it made me think of like,
why was I drinking to begin with?

01:10:21.490 --> 01:10:26.290
Uh, and it was more of a, just cause
everybody else was drinking and you

01:10:26.370 --> 01:10:29.920
came eventually became a habit that
I just was drinking and my boys used

01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:33.290
to laugh about it and they'd be like,
uh, they'd fight over who could run

01:10:33.290 --> 01:10:34.860
to the fridge to get me a beer first.

01:10:34.860 --> 01:10:35.170
Kind of thing.

01:10:35.170 --> 01:10:35.570
Like,

01:10:35.570 --> 01:10:36.740
Travis Bader: it's like, why am

01:10:36.740 --> 01:10:37.510
Chance Burles: I doing this?

01:10:37.510 --> 01:10:43.230
Like, and I'm wasting money on
alcohol that I, and at the, at that

01:10:43.230 --> 01:10:46.050
time I wasn't even recognizing.

01:10:46.760 --> 01:10:50.820
What I was doing, it was just so rote
that I would have a beer with dinner.

01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:55.360
Um, and now I've taken the
attitude of make it worth it.

01:10:55.650 --> 01:10:59.050
So, you know, if I'm going to go out
with some friends that I haven't seen in

01:10:59.050 --> 01:11:03.230
15 years and we're going to sit around
and, you know, swap old war stories or

01:11:03.230 --> 01:11:08.340
whatever, or we're going to get into a
deep philosophical discussion, you know,

01:11:08.370 --> 01:11:09.780
make that drink worth it, pick one.

01:11:09.780 --> 01:11:13.600
That's like, that's gonna,
you're really going to enjoy.

01:11:13.620 --> 01:11:15.710
And you're really going to like,
it's going to mark the occasion.

01:11:16.070 --> 01:11:18.810
Travis Bader: I've heard doctors talk
about how there is absolutely no.

01:11:19.270 --> 01:11:21.720
Benefit to alcohol, there's only downside.

01:11:22.360 --> 01:11:24.740
And I've heard others say,
well, hold on a second.

01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:28.640
There is that social side and there is,
there is a benefit and you're a social

01:11:28.640 --> 01:11:33.370
group and the gatherings and it's, uh,
that whole moderation, of course, is key.

01:11:34.120 --> 01:11:37.320
I, you know, I thought, well,
maybe I'll stop drinking.

01:11:38.475 --> 01:11:40.265
Give it a year, see, see what happens.

01:11:40.265 --> 01:11:40.475
Right.

01:11:40.475 --> 01:11:44.225
And I said today, I wanted to see
what I do for my cognitive function.

01:11:44.815 --> 01:11:47.775
And I also noticed that like I wasn't
a heavy drinker, but you know, have

01:11:47.775 --> 01:11:51.545
a couple drinks and my head wasn't
in the happiest place the next day.

01:11:51.605 --> 01:11:53.065
I was maybe a little bit more short.

01:11:53.065 --> 01:11:56.685
And that was the biggest thing that I
found that alcohol can do is it robs

01:11:56.745 --> 01:12:01.065
you, it robs you of your time, it robs
you of your patience, at least for me.

01:12:01.855 --> 01:12:06.725
And, uh, so I gave it a year, actually,
I think it was closer to two years and

01:12:06.725 --> 01:12:11.465
I was like, well, I kind of like maybe
a glass of wine with a, uh, with a steak

01:12:11.465 --> 01:12:16.835
or, so introduced a little bit here
and there, but it's an interesting one.

01:12:16.835 --> 01:12:21.125
I think if people are having, uh,
difficulties and a lot of people

01:12:21.125 --> 01:12:24.775
who've listened to the collective or
people who are looking for something,

01:12:24.775 --> 01:12:26.445
looking for help, looking for answers.

01:12:26.915 --> 01:12:31.035
And I got to say, if you can start
cutting that piece of the puzzle out, the

01:12:31.035 --> 01:12:33.225
alcohol, substances, whatever it might be.

01:12:33.225 --> 01:12:37.045
And if that substance is even
like your phone scrolling, doom

01:12:37.055 --> 01:12:41.905
scrolling, social media, limit those
substances, get out and move, right.

01:12:41.905 --> 01:12:46.675
Get a bit of exercise, even if it's just
going for a walk, sleep, get some proper

01:12:46.675 --> 01:12:51.065
sleep and have some form of purpose,
something you're doing things for.

01:12:51.665 --> 01:12:52.405
Holy crow.

01:12:52.405 --> 01:12:55.205
The number of people that I've
seen just turn their lives around.

01:12:55.585 --> 01:12:58.275
By keeping those vital
four things in their mind.

01:12:59.115 --> 01:12:59.645
It's,

01:13:00.185 --> 01:13:01.105
Chance Burles: it's, it's beautiful.

01:13:01.105 --> 01:13:03.605
And it goes to the point, you know,
sometimes you gotta blow that bridge up.

01:13:04.540 --> 01:13:06.710
And sometimes you got to like,
sometimes you just got to say, I'm

01:13:06.710 --> 01:13:08.830
not going to drink for a year, I'm
not going to drink for two years.

01:13:08.860 --> 01:13:10.650
Just completely remove it from your life.

01:13:10.660 --> 01:13:11.020
Boom.

01:13:11.060 --> 01:13:11.740
Bridge is gone.

01:13:12.540 --> 01:13:13.270
Okay, cool.

01:13:13.320 --> 01:13:17.200
After a while you can build a footbridge
or you can put a little carabiner line

01:13:17.200 --> 01:13:18.670
across like whatever you need to do.

01:13:19.120 --> 01:13:19.610
Travis Bader: And I like it.

01:13:19.610 --> 01:13:22.100
Cause you'd never know what it
would be like without that bridge.

01:13:22.110 --> 01:13:22.400
Exactly.

01:13:22.470 --> 01:13:23.240
That's a good point.

01:13:23.280 --> 01:13:23.460
Yeah.

01:13:23.620 --> 01:13:24.610
And you brought something up.

01:13:24.650 --> 01:13:27.860
One of the biggest values from the
collective is the relationships.

01:13:28.905 --> 01:13:33.855
So, you know, everyone's looking
for the secret to success, and I've

01:13:33.855 --> 01:13:36.975
said this before, and people have
told me, Travis, it's not personal.

01:13:37.095 --> 01:13:38.295
It's just business.

01:13:38.705 --> 01:13:40.205
And I said, bullshit.

01:13:40.305 --> 01:13:40.565
Yeah.

01:13:41.305 --> 01:13:43.085
Everything about business is personal.

01:13:43.795 --> 01:13:47.265
It's created based off of relationships.

01:13:47.265 --> 01:13:49.785
These relationships
take time to establish.

01:13:49.925 --> 01:13:51.325
They're based on trust.

01:13:51.925 --> 01:13:54.865
You hurt that trust.

01:13:54.885 --> 01:13:56.135
You hurt that relationship.

01:13:56.145 --> 01:13:57.245
You hurt that business.

01:13:57.245 --> 01:13:57.385
Yep.

01:13:58.680 --> 01:14:03.300
And I would say that so much of what
I've done in, in life and, and in

01:14:03.310 --> 01:14:08.010
business is just based off of those
personal relationships, making sure if

01:14:08.010 --> 01:14:12.360
you said you're going to do something,
you do it, even if it hurts you, maybe

01:14:12.360 --> 01:14:16.350
next time, I won't say I'm going to
do that, but that relationship key, I

01:14:16.350 --> 01:14:19.139
think is one of the, um, uh, the other.

01:14:19.530 --> 01:14:24.810
Huge aspects to the collective that
people who actually go out and engage,

01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:28.470
because there's a lot of people who
listen and who watch, and I'm sure

01:14:28.470 --> 01:14:31.940
they get something out of it, but
there's those people who engage.

01:14:32.385 --> 01:14:34.585
And I've watched it from the sidelines.

01:14:34.585 --> 01:14:36.005
I've been on a few episodes.

01:14:36.005 --> 01:14:36.835
I see it happening.

01:14:36.925 --> 01:14:40.765
I've watched these people's arcs and,
you know, I like to pay attention.

01:14:41.045 --> 01:14:44.335
I like to watch human behavior
and I've watched their social

01:14:44.345 --> 01:14:48.095
media and the arcs that people are
actively out there engaging and

01:14:48.565 --> 01:14:50.265
how much better their lives are.

01:14:50.355 --> 01:14:54.915
Not the next day, not even a month
later, but that progressively little

01:14:54.925 --> 01:15:00.580
bit that they go in, that success is an
accumulation of Of small habits over time.

01:15:00.660 --> 01:15:00.900
Yeah.

01:15:01.340 --> 01:15:03.430
Chance Burles: And it, I mean, all
these things are learned behaviors.

01:15:03.440 --> 01:15:06.600
Everything that we do is
a learned behavior, right?

01:15:07.790 --> 01:15:12.040
Every negative aspect of our life,
every negative coping mechanism,

01:15:12.040 --> 01:15:16.320
everything, it's a learned behavior
from some sort of stimulus from prior.

01:15:16.820 --> 01:15:20.660
So if you can learn how to do
something negatively, you can learn

01:15:20.660 --> 01:15:21.910
how to do something positively.

01:15:22.500 --> 01:15:26.885
And that's part of the community is
that I, I was talking to my wife about

01:15:26.885 --> 01:15:29.855
this actually on the way here, it just
kind of sparked was the fact that for

01:15:29.855 --> 01:15:35.705
the, for the average veteran or first
responder or something like that, by

01:15:35.715 --> 01:15:38.715
being a service modality, a lot of times
what we do is we put ourselves in the

01:15:38.725 --> 01:15:42.515
back seat, we make sure that, you know,
other people get taken care of constantly.

01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:51.350
Yep, and by doing that, it creates this
almost this habit when it basically

01:15:51.350 --> 01:15:56.230
does become a habit to learn behavior
of that when, when other people are

01:15:56.230 --> 01:15:58.000
struggling, I need to take a step back.

01:15:58.830 --> 01:16:02.010
So you start to learn
that if I'm struggling.

01:16:02.915 --> 01:16:06.525
I don't want other people to have
to take a step back to put me on

01:16:06.525 --> 01:16:08.375
that pedestal, put me forward.

01:16:08.655 --> 01:16:13.035
So I'm going to start restricting
myself and you start to slowly

01:16:13.325 --> 01:16:14.795
work away from that community.

01:16:14.795 --> 01:16:18.485
You start to slowly siphon yourself away
from the isolate and you just isolate

01:16:18.485 --> 01:16:21.215
a little bit more and you start to get
in your little box and then you, you

01:16:21.215 --> 01:16:22.555
know, it becomes smaller and smaller.

01:16:22.745 --> 01:16:27.325
And by doing that again, you're inside
your own head in a negative filled box.

01:16:29.070 --> 01:16:30.680
Travis Bader: Is that isolation
something you've struggled with?

01:16:30.710 --> 01:16:30.870
Oh

01:16:30.870 --> 01:16:32.620
Chance Burles: yeah, for
many years, many years.

01:16:32.660 --> 01:16:33.740
Are you still struggling with that?

01:16:33.820 --> 01:16:34.740
Less so now.

01:16:34.910 --> 01:16:38.460
Um, my wife actually told me when we
were dating that, uh, she was like,

01:16:38.460 --> 01:16:39.800
you know, you're a social butterfly.

01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:40.460
And I was like,

01:16:40.860 --> 01:16:41.150
Travis Bader: what?

01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:44.320
Chance Burles: No, no, I, I hate people.

01:16:44.320 --> 01:16:45.040
But at the time.

01:16:45.070 --> 01:16:45.940
You're just a butterfly.

01:16:46.110 --> 01:16:47.230
I hated myself.

01:16:47.240 --> 01:16:51.220
That was the big issue was that I didn't,
I didn't want myself to get out there.

01:16:51.280 --> 01:16:51.660
Why?

01:16:51.660 --> 01:16:51.700
Okay.

01:16:52.005 --> 01:16:56.065
Um, mostly just through the fact
that I knew how messed up I was.

01:16:56.125 --> 01:16:57.265
I knew how angry I was.

01:16:57.265 --> 01:17:01.605
I knew how all of the issues that I
was dealing with was going to put extra

01:17:02.005 --> 01:17:04.295
weight on anybody else that I engaged in.

01:17:04.505 --> 01:17:04.935
Travis Bader: So what would

01:17:04.935 --> 01:17:05.285
Chance Burles: you do?

01:17:05.875 --> 01:17:07.755
Well, what I did was
start working on myself.

01:17:07.755 --> 01:17:08.295
I don't know.

01:17:08.295 --> 01:17:10.055
Travis Bader: What would you do in
the time as opposed to going out?

01:17:10.065 --> 01:17:11.425
Chance Burles: Oh, instead
of doing that, I would.

01:17:12.115 --> 01:17:13.675
I would come back into the house.

01:17:13.715 --> 01:17:14.625
I wouldn't go out.

01:17:14.945 --> 01:17:18.425
I would, uh, as soon as then it went from
the house, it went to the basement and

01:17:18.425 --> 01:17:22.655
then from the basement, it went into,
usually went into my gun locker because

01:17:22.655 --> 01:17:24.075
that becomes a security thing, right?

01:17:24.295 --> 01:17:28.455
I try to like become, uh, uh, like a
little fortress with it and myself,

01:17:28.465 --> 01:17:29.835
like, you know, I can't let anybody in.

01:17:29.845 --> 01:17:30.855
Everybody's got to stay out.

01:17:31.425 --> 01:17:31.965
And.

01:17:33.145 --> 01:17:36.085
It again, working with horses
and dealing with my doctor and

01:17:36.375 --> 01:17:38.115
engaging in the veteran community.

01:17:39.185 --> 01:17:40.855
That's what started to draw me out.

01:17:40.935 --> 01:17:43.235
That's what started to bring me
out to the world of like, Oh,

01:17:43.235 --> 01:17:45.655
well, first off, I'm not alone.

01:17:46.075 --> 01:17:47.725
I'm not the only person that
are dealing with the struggles.

01:17:47.725 --> 01:17:52.245
I'm not the only person that is,
uh, going through this stuff.

01:17:52.885 --> 01:17:56.945
Um, one of the things I like to say
is we are unique, but not special.

01:17:57.935 --> 01:18:03.025
And that is like our experiences don't
make us special or the difficulties that

01:18:03.025 --> 01:18:05.085
we go through doesn't make us special.

01:18:06.200 --> 01:18:09.290
To everybody else around us,
we are still unique people.

01:18:09.330 --> 01:18:10.710
We have unique experiences.

01:18:11.020 --> 01:18:11.450
Sure.

01:18:11.580 --> 01:18:12.340
But we're not special.

01:18:12.970 --> 01:18:16.380
At no point does any one person's
issues make them more special than

01:18:16.380 --> 01:18:18.870
anybody else, but we are different.

01:18:19.130 --> 01:18:21.680
So that's something I had to get
in my own head was the fact that

01:18:21.680 --> 01:18:23.050
we are unique, but not special.

01:18:23.120 --> 01:18:26.000
Travis Bader: So this isolating behavior
and why I wanted you to kind of paint

01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:29.050
a little bit of a picture of what it
looked like is so other people, some

01:18:29.050 --> 01:18:30.720
people might not even recognize it.

01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:30.739
Yeah.

01:18:31.170 --> 01:18:34.310
They're like, Oh, I just, you know, going
to go down and clean my guns or I'm going

01:18:34.310 --> 01:18:38.370
to the shop for a while and be away from
everybody or plug in front of a screen or

01:18:38.620 --> 01:18:39.160
Chance Burles: yes.

01:18:39.210 --> 01:18:44.810
Travis Bader: Um, what do you, do you
ever, do you notice that coming on?

01:18:44.840 --> 01:18:46.080
Is that something that you seek?

01:18:47.010 --> 01:18:47.150
Okay.

01:18:47.150 --> 01:18:48.020
What does that look like?

01:18:48.140 --> 01:18:53.040
Chance Burles: So usually that, uh,
I, my biggest issues are crowds.

01:18:53.100 --> 01:18:57.600
That was one of the biggest things
I don't like crowds and it's, and

01:18:57.600 --> 01:19:02.164
it's not even so much the crowd,
because if I'm on stage or if I am.

01:19:02.305 --> 01:19:04.045
Like when I was doing the walk
for veterans, we'd have hundreds

01:19:04.045 --> 01:19:04.955
of people in front of me.

01:19:05.535 --> 01:19:07.945
I have no problem with that
if they're in front of me.

01:19:08.695 --> 01:19:12.745
But if I'm in the crowd, that
just drives me absolutely nuts.

01:19:12.745 --> 01:19:16.855
I can't, there's too many things
for me to, I'm just like, uh,

01:19:17.325 --> 01:19:20.365
hyper aware of all the movement and
all the sound and all the things.

01:19:20.365 --> 01:19:24.365
And the fact that I can't hear very well
means that I'm down one of my senses.

01:19:24.365 --> 01:19:27.975
So everything else has to, like,
I start moving around really hard.

01:19:27.975 --> 01:19:28.265
It's.

01:19:28.670 --> 01:19:34.180
Challenging, but what'll happen
is I start to get really agitated

01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:37.140
and then I become very direct.

01:19:37.180 --> 01:19:38.410
This is what I need to have happen.

01:19:38.410 --> 01:19:39.160
We're going to go here.

01:19:39.210 --> 01:19:42.530
I'm going to add, I'm like,
I'm leaving and I'm out.

01:19:43.080 --> 01:19:47.780
Um, and in those instances now
I can actually see it happening.

01:19:48.190 --> 01:19:48.739
And now I'm like, okay.

01:19:49.080 --> 01:19:50.030
I can start feeling it.

01:19:50.030 --> 01:19:51.750
I'm like, okay, I'm starting
to get agitated and I'll look

01:19:51.750 --> 01:19:52.930
at my wife or whoever I'm with.

01:19:52.930 --> 01:19:53.780
I'll be like, okay, you know what?

01:19:54.500 --> 01:19:55.510
I'm not feeling great right now.

01:19:55.710 --> 01:20:00.910
Can we step off the edges and, you
know, towards a wall or whatever.

01:20:00.910 --> 01:20:05.600
And, and then I'll run through some
very basic things, stuff that I used

01:20:05.600 --> 01:20:07.490
to have to do with the horses, breathe.

01:20:08.750 --> 01:20:09.450
That's a big one.

01:20:09.580 --> 01:20:10.180
Box breathe.

01:20:10.220 --> 01:20:10.520
Breathe.

01:20:10.550 --> 01:20:11.600
Box breathing is great.

01:20:12.010 --> 01:20:15.980
Um, the, I think it was
Hubern was talking about, uh.

01:20:16.885 --> 01:20:17.225
What is it?

01:20:17.225 --> 01:20:19.465
The neurological sigh
or something like that.

01:20:19.465 --> 01:20:24.165
The big deep breath in and then the
second one, uh, doing those is a good one.

01:20:24.265 --> 01:20:27.755
But again, it was just get
in touch with your body.

01:20:28.875 --> 01:20:30.545
Recognize that you're not breathing.

01:20:30.555 --> 01:20:35.865
Recognize that my back is like
jacked straight up and not, um,

01:20:37.885 --> 01:20:38.905
I'm not relaxed.

01:20:39.295 --> 01:20:39.685
Okay.

01:20:39.715 --> 01:20:40.685
Where's my shoulders at?

01:20:40.725 --> 01:20:41.125
Okay.

01:20:42.335 --> 01:20:43.505
You know, relax everything.

01:20:43.505 --> 01:20:45.995
Just let myself, let it all go.

01:20:46.615 --> 01:20:47.495
Be in this moment.

01:20:47.505 --> 01:20:48.645
Are you in danger right now?

01:20:48.675 --> 01:20:49.775
No, I'm not in danger right now.

01:20:49.785 --> 01:20:50.215
Okay.

01:20:51.225 --> 01:20:54.075
Is what is the like, this is
one thing my doctor did for me.

01:20:54.405 --> 01:20:58.015
What is the likelihood of
danger happening right now?

01:20:59.145 --> 01:21:01.475
And then you have to kind of
like process that information.

01:21:01.485 --> 01:21:04.505
It was like, well, I
mean, it's pretty low.

01:21:05.165 --> 01:21:06.535
Travis Bader: That's
a real male thing too.

01:21:06.735 --> 01:21:07.615
Analytical, right?

01:21:07.795 --> 01:21:14.145
Just rather than going with the
feelings and how do you feel, it's an

01:21:14.145 --> 01:21:17.065
interesting approach for the doctor
to make, okay, think it through.

01:21:17.725 --> 01:21:20.575
Chance Burles: And well, cause my,
my biggest issues were like, well,

01:21:20.575 --> 01:21:23.275
there's, you know, could be an ID
there could be a dude with a knife.

01:21:23.275 --> 01:21:25.355
There could be a dude, like,
there's so many things that a

01:21:25.355 --> 01:21:29.025
crowd that you can't control and
like control was a big one for me.

01:21:29.025 --> 01:21:32.975
So the fact that I couldn't
control the crowd from the inside.

01:21:33.850 --> 01:21:38.380
Made me agitated, so I tried to remove
myself from the crowd and then I would

01:21:38.380 --> 01:21:42.870
remove myself from Basically my own life
and then I would ruin myself for my family

01:21:42.870 --> 01:21:47.560
and then I wrote and so you can see where
that starts to go downhill So if I can

01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:53.700
gauge it ahead of time now, that's where
I got caught in my doc used to inject

01:21:53.710 --> 01:21:56.940
that where she'd be Okay, so you're in
a crowd you're starting to get agitated.

01:21:57.010 --> 01:21:57.780
What's your first thought?

01:21:57.800 --> 01:21:59.350
I'm like, well somebody's got a weapon.

01:21:59.720 --> 01:22:01.740
Okay Well, what's the
likelihood of that happening?

01:22:03.315 --> 01:22:05.225
And you start running the math in your
head and you're like, well, I mean,

01:22:05.225 --> 01:22:10.535
pretty damn low, pretty low we're in
Canada, you know, you're in, you know,

01:22:10.585 --> 01:22:14.555
uh, say like, let's say Calgary and
the stampede or something like that.

01:22:14.555 --> 01:22:14.805
Okay.

01:22:14.805 --> 01:22:19.445
What's the likelihood of somebody
having a weapon pretty low when you talk

01:22:19.455 --> 01:22:21.865
about crime stats and all these other
things, you get into all that stuff.

01:22:21.865 --> 01:22:24.895
But, um, the likelihood of
it happening is pretty low.

01:22:24.905 --> 01:22:26.065
Okay, good.

01:22:26.175 --> 01:22:29.665
So you you've, what's the percentage,
let's give yourself a percentage.

01:22:29.665 --> 01:22:35.145
Well, it's like a 2 percent level of
an attack happening in this moment.

01:22:35.155 --> 01:22:35.765
Is it possible?

01:22:35.765 --> 01:22:36.075
Sure.

01:22:36.705 --> 01:22:40.075
Yeah, it's possible, but
it's not very likely.

01:22:41.035 --> 01:22:44.225
So, you know, you bring that right back
down you go, okay Well, so if that's

01:22:44.225 --> 01:22:48.615
the if that's taken care of then what
what's bothering you at that point?

01:22:49.095 --> 01:22:53.615
Oh, well, it could be this could be
that it could and then you just start

01:22:53.725 --> 01:22:58.565
to run through those Analytically, okay
The likelihood of this happening is

01:22:58.565 --> 01:23:02.005
low Likelihood of this happening is low
likelihood of this happening is low and

01:23:02.005 --> 01:23:05.155
by doing that again, you're just getting
inside your body You're getting inside

01:23:05.155 --> 01:23:09.045
your head, you're allowing yourself to
process the information that's happening.

01:23:09.765 --> 01:23:10.675
Being a bit more present.

01:23:10.695 --> 01:23:13.975
Be a bit more present and let it
all, and then you can kind of re

01:23:13.975 --> 01:23:17.365
engage in, or just hang it where
you are, you know, hang it on the

01:23:17.415 --> 01:23:19.775
peripheral for a bit and just watch.

01:23:20.205 --> 01:23:21.025
I see what happens.

01:23:21.455 --> 01:23:23.949
Travis Bader: You, you've read that
Harvard study, that 80 year study.

01:23:25.590 --> 01:23:30.790
80 year study on Harvard, on
happiness, and they looked at different

01:23:30.840 --> 01:23:35.300
ethnicities, genders, people from
different socioeconomic backgrounds

01:23:35.300 --> 01:23:38.360
and track them over 80 years.

01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:45.000
What's the number one predictor of
happiness across the board, across

01:23:45.080 --> 01:23:49.950
all different groups, community,
strong, social connections.

01:23:50.930 --> 01:23:53.210
Chance Burles: We are
gregarious by nature as humans.

01:23:53.885 --> 01:23:55.425
That's why horses work
so well with humans.

01:23:55.425 --> 01:23:58.995
Actually is the fact that
horses are gregarious by nature.

01:23:58.995 --> 01:24:03.735
They require a social structure in order
to, like, if you put a horse alone in

01:24:03.735 --> 01:24:05.385
a paddock by itself, it'll go crazy.

01:24:06.335 --> 01:24:09.505
It'll just like, it will literally
start, it starts chewing at the fences

01:24:09.505 --> 01:24:12.135
and it starts running for gates and
it start, like it does things that

01:24:12.135 --> 01:24:14.515
are not natural horse behavior.

01:24:16.125 --> 01:24:18.375
What happens when you put
a human alone in a box?

01:24:18.765 --> 01:24:19.145
Yeah.

01:24:19.915 --> 01:24:20.235
Yeah.

01:24:20.495 --> 01:24:21.525
That's the same thing, right?

01:24:21.535 --> 01:24:22.905
They don't tend to do well.

01:24:22.915 --> 01:24:23.455
Exactly.

01:24:23.465 --> 01:24:23.995
And so.

01:24:24.455 --> 01:24:24.865
Absolutely.

01:24:24.865 --> 01:24:25.735
It's all about community.

01:24:25.755 --> 01:24:33.995
It's all about understanding that you
are biologically driven to be in a group.

01:24:34.885 --> 01:24:35.845
And I mean, there's outliers.

01:24:35.855 --> 01:24:39.180
There are people that are You know,
they prefer solidly look, Sean, right.

01:24:39.310 --> 01:24:41.860
He's a pretty solo dude.

01:24:41.900 --> 01:24:42.430
You think so?

01:24:43.260 --> 01:24:46.450
He likes the community, but he
likes to do it on his, on his terms.

01:24:46.490 --> 01:24:46.850
Travis Bader: Sure.

01:24:46.900 --> 01:24:47.750
You know, but that's okay.

01:24:47.750 --> 01:24:52.420
That's still, there's still, I mean,
there's going to be different people

01:24:52.420 --> 01:24:55.970
in different roles and it's like
you're saying, if you're up on stage,

01:24:56.210 --> 01:24:57.670
you're around the group, it's okay.

01:24:57.670 --> 01:24:58.040
Right.

01:24:58.120 --> 01:25:00.050
You're, you're sitting in the, uh, group.

01:25:00.225 --> 01:25:04.145
Auditorium with everyone jostling
around, around you, maybe not as great.

01:25:04.625 --> 01:25:05.855
Chance Burles: And, but
some people love it.

01:25:06.185 --> 01:25:08.755
My, again, my wife and I were
talking about in van, right?

01:25:08.785 --> 01:25:14.655
People move to van to Toronto, to New
York, to LA, because they want that vibe.

01:25:14.665 --> 01:25:16.775
They want that, like that noise that.

01:25:17.125 --> 01:25:18.085
They feel a comfort.

01:25:18.125 --> 01:25:19.265
They feel a comfort in there, right?

01:25:19.265 --> 01:25:21.105
Because they're surrounded by people.

01:25:21.255 --> 01:25:21.505
Travis Bader: Yeah.

01:25:21.505 --> 01:25:24.025
Well, you kind of, it's.

01:25:24.535 --> 01:25:27.355
I wonder, so when you're talking
before about like going to the

01:25:27.355 --> 01:25:32.595
ranges, my therapy going, there's a
forced presence, let's say surfing.

01:25:32.775 --> 01:25:34.085
Hey, that's great therapy.

01:25:34.085 --> 01:25:36.895
Hey, rock climbing, but you
have to be in the moment.

01:25:36.895 --> 01:25:39.505
I have to think about where my next
hand hold's going to be, where I'm

01:25:39.505 --> 01:25:43.115
going to set my protection or how
I'm going to tie into the next anchor

01:25:43.115 --> 01:25:45.515
and otherwise there's consequences.

01:25:46.435 --> 01:25:47.365
You're done with that.

01:25:47.475 --> 01:25:48.095
You're out.

01:25:48.095 --> 01:25:48.329
You're out.

01:25:48.600 --> 01:25:50.210
You still got that underlying thing.

01:25:50.210 --> 01:25:52.380
You just had a little
bit of an escape from it.

01:25:52.490 --> 01:25:52.790
Chance Burles: Yeah.

01:25:52.950 --> 01:25:57.750
Travis Bader: Um, people who love to be
in built up areas, you've just turned

01:25:57.750 --> 01:26:03.710
that noise up and everything else that
was going on is sort of masked by this

01:26:03.860 --> 01:26:05.490
radio being turned up to full blast.

01:26:05.490 --> 01:26:07.860
And, you know, I'd find it,
I'd go out in the woods.

01:26:08.225 --> 01:26:11.685
And I'd have so much work going on,
stress, different things happening.

01:26:13.045 --> 01:26:16.435
And my head's running and I'm
having arguments in my head.

01:26:16.795 --> 01:26:19.815
And the next thing I know I'm talking
out loud, there's nobody around me.

01:26:20.405 --> 01:26:21.735
I'm having a full on argument.

01:26:21.735 --> 01:26:21.855
And it's like.

01:26:23.070 --> 01:26:25.060
That doesn't happen in the city.

01:26:25.060 --> 01:26:30.680
I just feel the energy, but you've now
got this opportunity to decompress.

01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:35.160
And I think it's another sort of, uh,
protectionistic sort of masking thing

01:26:35.160 --> 01:26:40.480
that people, a lot of people can't be
outside of that, lest they're alone

01:26:40.490 --> 01:26:42.050
with themselves and their own thoughts.

01:26:42.070 --> 01:26:42.860
Chance Burles: That's the tough part.

01:26:42.870 --> 01:26:46.730
And, uh, I stated earlier when my wife
and I were walking around, it was like,

01:26:47.120 --> 01:26:50.340
everybody here is, they're surrounded
by people, but they're all alone.

01:26:50.560 --> 01:26:51.230
Yes.

01:26:51.340 --> 01:26:51.570
Right.

01:26:51.620 --> 01:26:52.290
And it's just.

01:26:52.830 --> 01:26:58.010
No one has the community, you know, we're
staying in my brother in law's apartment.

01:26:58.020 --> 01:27:00.720
And yeah, it's a massive apartment.

01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:04.860
There's 15 floors on it and there's,
you know, people all over those seven or

01:27:04.860 --> 01:27:06.220
eight rooms, a floor, that kind of thing.

01:27:06.220 --> 01:27:06.930
Like it's, do

01:27:06.930 --> 01:27:08.000
Travis Bader: they know everyone's name?

01:27:08.140 --> 01:27:09.070
Chance Burles: No, right.

01:27:10.380 --> 01:27:12.880
And the fact that, you know, there's
walls in between the balconies,

01:27:12.890 --> 01:27:13.800
so you can't see each other.

01:27:13.970 --> 01:27:20.105
And like, it, it creates this anonymity
That, you know, when I first sat down,

01:27:20.105 --> 01:27:22.305
I started talking about, or when we
first got here and I was like, man, it's

01:27:22.305 --> 01:27:27.775
just this, this pressure of constant
noise and things are always happening.

01:27:29.085 --> 01:27:30.585
It dehumanizes people.

01:27:30.645 --> 01:27:31.455
Yes, it does.

01:27:31.635 --> 01:27:33.955
Because who knows what that person is.

01:27:33.985 --> 01:27:37.995
But again, back in my community,
Sherwood Park, like I know my neighbors,

01:27:38.355 --> 01:27:39.365
I know both sides of my neighbors.

01:27:39.365 --> 01:27:40.335
I know the neighbors across the street.

01:27:40.375 --> 01:27:43.645
I know the people by sight that live
four or five houses down that way.

01:27:43.645 --> 01:27:43.935
I know it.

01:27:43.935 --> 01:27:48.045
Like, it's not so much that
I think you need to be.

01:27:48.995 --> 01:27:52.345
You know, like, intimately knowing
of all the people around you.

01:27:52.345 --> 01:27:52.735
You don't need that.

01:27:53.325 --> 01:27:56.675
But, you know, if you walk out your
house and you see your neighbor across

01:27:56.675 --> 01:27:58.525
the street and you, Hey, how's it going?

01:27:58.625 --> 01:27:59.085
Nice to see you.

01:28:00.185 --> 01:28:00.615
Have a good day.

01:28:00.615 --> 01:28:02.935
Like little things like that.

01:28:03.135 --> 01:28:04.195
Travis Bader: Have you heard of rat park?

01:28:04.235 --> 01:28:04.635
Yes.

01:28:05.085 --> 01:28:05.405
Okay.

01:28:05.735 --> 01:28:06.525
So interesting.

01:28:06.705 --> 01:28:10.635
I think it's from North Van actually, I
believe I reached out a year or so ago.

01:28:10.685 --> 01:28:12.265
Maybe I should reach out
again and talk to the guy.

01:28:12.945 --> 01:28:16.255
Um, I think he's, I
think he's still there.

01:28:17.265 --> 01:28:25.175
He put forward this hypothesis about, um,
Uh, addiction, and he came up with this

01:28:25.185 --> 01:28:30.665
harm control strategy and it was based
on, they said, you know, if you give a rat

01:28:31.025 --> 01:28:35.845
a water bottle and one laced with, let's
say a stimulant, cocaine or whatever.

01:28:37.010 --> 01:28:43.320
Inevitably that rat will just get
addicted to the drugs and they'll die.

01:28:43.350 --> 01:28:45.610
And it's all they want more,
more, more, more, more.

01:28:46.300 --> 01:28:50.000
And he says, well, what if we
don't just lock this rat away by

01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:53.310
itself in a small case with cage
with these two different options?

01:28:53.310 --> 01:28:56.500
What if we take these rat and
they put them in Big place.

01:28:57.420 --> 01:29:01.620
And we put other rats in there that
it can play with and we have tunnels

01:29:01.620 --> 01:29:04.720
that can go through and it's got a
whole bunch of things that can do and

01:29:04.720 --> 01:29:10.910
by and large from a study, they found
that his words, some rats like to

01:29:10.910 --> 01:29:13.520
party, but not to the point of death.

01:29:13.750 --> 01:29:18.470
The majority wouldn't touch
the laced water bottle.

01:29:19.420 --> 01:29:25.355
And I know it's come under, uh, some Peer
review and people looking back and forth

01:29:25.365 --> 01:29:27.145
and, and having different thoughts on it.

01:29:27.145 --> 01:29:30.245
But that concept was used for
a harm reduction strategy.

01:29:31.725 --> 01:29:36.405
I think there's a lot to be said for
ensuring that people have enough space and

01:29:36.405 --> 01:29:39.115
are properly integrated and socialized.

01:29:39.865 --> 01:29:44.808
And when you start getting into
the big cities, I, you know, I, I.

01:29:45.105 --> 01:29:49.405
Not that I've spent a ton of time out
in the country, but I'm sure even in the

01:29:49.405 --> 01:29:52.275
country, there's going to be different
social norms and ways that people

01:29:52.275 --> 01:29:56.745
socialize, which might not, uh, might
not jive, which can cause isolation.

01:29:56.965 --> 01:29:58.885
Chance Burles: Well, I mean,
it used to be, you know,

01:30:00.055 --> 01:30:01.365
where would people congregate?

01:30:02.450 --> 01:30:05.420
Their church, church,
um, the Legion, right.

01:30:05.420 --> 01:30:09.230
The dance hall, those places that,
you know, yeah, you'd go off and

01:30:09.230 --> 01:30:10.530
work and you'd be in your family.

01:30:10.530 --> 01:30:15.410
And like, when I go down to the ranch,
the nearest neighbor is like 20 minutes

01:30:15.410 --> 01:30:17.420
down the road, like it's not close, right.

01:30:17.420 --> 01:30:19.604
You got to, and it's a gravel road
and they're in the middle of the road.

01:30:19.605 --> 01:30:22.655
Um, we'll have to take you out
there at some point, we'll go

01:30:22.655 --> 01:30:23.435
get you an elk or something.

01:30:23.445 --> 01:30:23.885
Cause it is.

01:30:23.895 --> 01:30:24.535
That'd be amazing.

01:30:24.535 --> 01:30:25.495
Um, beautiful out there.

01:30:25.585 --> 01:30:28.195
Travis Bader: Figure if you can
pee in your front yard and not have

01:30:28.195 --> 01:30:29.495
to worry about annoying anybody.

01:30:29.505 --> 01:30:30.015
Exactly.

01:30:30.075 --> 01:30:30.525
You're good to go.

01:30:30.525 --> 01:30:31.295
You're doing

01:30:31.335 --> 01:30:31.815
Chance Burles: pretty good.

01:30:32.035 --> 01:30:37.385
But those, the people there, they,
how they congregate is through sports,

01:30:37.395 --> 01:30:40.795
through religion, through community,
through all these things, right?

01:30:40.795 --> 01:30:44.915
Because you have to have that
congregation point at some point, uh,

01:30:44.985 --> 01:30:46.355
Southern Alberta, where the ranch is.

01:30:46.355 --> 01:30:46.414
Yeah.

01:30:46.555 --> 01:30:49.035
You know, the wind is wind is driven.

01:30:49.035 --> 01:30:51.445
People Matt literally
mad just from the wind.

01:30:51.495 --> 01:30:51.865
Really?

01:30:51.995 --> 01:30:55.215
It's there's wind, you know,
signs on the side of the road.

01:30:55.215 --> 01:30:58.135
They're all like, uh, that'll give
you accurate readings of the wind

01:30:58.175 --> 01:31:02.025
for truckers because it'll knock
trucks over vehicles off the road.

01:31:02.025 --> 01:31:04.124
And there's a lot of times I've
been driving where you're like,

01:31:04.995 --> 01:31:08.485
Pinned into the wind and like,
you can feel it as you're driving.

01:31:08.485 --> 01:31:09.825
Just try to hold against it.

01:31:09.985 --> 01:31:10.705
Travis Bader: You just need mountains

01:31:11.025 --> 01:31:13.055
Chance Burles: Yeah, it's like a
hundred and twenty hundred and fifty

01:31:13.055 --> 01:31:17.225
kilometer an hour winds like just
ripping through that Valley Wow and

01:31:19.375 --> 01:31:21.575
But that the community is
what brings people back.

01:31:21.925 --> 01:31:26.115
It's when people are off on their own
out in the bush with nobody else I

01:31:26.115 --> 01:31:28.705
mean, that's one of the reasons why
the show alone got created, right?

01:31:28.705 --> 01:31:32.615
It's like look at people what happens
when they're in the bush by themselves

01:31:33.275 --> 01:31:36.330
See what happens and then you got
those boys There were people that

01:31:36.330 --> 01:31:38.430
were, you made it like a day, two days.

01:31:38.470 --> 01:31:38.680
Yeah.

01:31:38.680 --> 01:31:38.850
You

01:31:38.850 --> 01:31:43.240
Travis Bader: know what the number
one, uh, the number one enemy to

01:31:43.240 --> 01:31:44.740
these people in the show alone is.

01:31:45.185 --> 01:31:47.645
I see it time and again,
it's all in their head.

01:31:48.295 --> 01:31:51.615
And they'll remember watching
a guy, he made a beautiful

01:31:51.615 --> 01:31:53.045
shelter, he had everything set up.

01:31:53.075 --> 01:31:54.745
He's got some food, he got it all right.

01:31:54.745 --> 01:31:56.755
And he did all this in
like a couple of days.

01:31:56.765 --> 01:31:57.175
He's okay.

01:31:57.215 --> 01:31:57.975
I did my part.

01:31:57.975 --> 01:31:58.525
I'm going to go home.

01:31:58.605 --> 01:31:59.115
Yeah, I'm done.

01:31:59.245 --> 01:31:59.435
Yeah.

01:31:59.435 --> 01:32:00.375
I want to be with my family.

01:32:01.125 --> 01:32:04.035
And that's, that's good.

01:32:04.065 --> 01:32:04.725
Good for him.

01:32:04.825 --> 01:32:06.895
I mean, I, I support that.

01:32:06.895 --> 01:32:09.335
It'd be nice if he figured that
out before going on the show that,

01:32:09.745 --> 01:32:12.705
that he values his family to the
point where he doesn't want to be.

01:32:12.900 --> 01:32:16.210
Missing out on their lives for a
short period of time, whatever it is.

01:32:17.130 --> 01:32:19.630
But, um, I can't fault a person for that.

01:32:19.940 --> 01:32:21.600
Chance Burles: That's one of the
things that, uh, you know, I,

01:32:21.650 --> 01:32:24.720
as I said, rats, uh, for the rat
park are gregarious by nature.

01:32:24.720 --> 01:32:29.330
They have a social structure, humans,
gregarious horses, like look at a lot

01:32:29.330 --> 01:32:33.860
of the mammals actually across the board
and throughout the planet are naturally.

01:32:34.675 --> 01:32:35.545
Community driven.

01:32:35.655 --> 01:32:36.055
Yeah.

01:32:36.055 --> 01:32:36.334
Yeah.

01:32:36.335 --> 01:32:38.655
Everything comes, come
together for survival, right?

01:32:39.345 --> 01:32:42.085
The trick is, and I think this is
what I've learned the most from The

01:32:42.085 --> 01:32:46.905
Collective, is the fact that the
quality of your community matters.

01:32:46.985 --> 01:32:47.285
Mm.

01:32:47.735 --> 01:32:50.355
Like to such a high degree.

01:32:50.445 --> 01:32:54.785
So when I was in high school before I
joined the military as a bit of a stoner

01:32:54.795 --> 01:32:59.975
I was hanging around with the wrong crowd
And I made a very distinct decision.

01:32:59.975 --> 01:33:02.295
I was actually I was dealing pot.

01:33:02.315 --> 01:33:05.715
I was doing all kinds of things
I went to my dealer at one point.

01:33:05.735 --> 01:33:08.725
I put in a large order
and she looked at me.

01:33:08.725 --> 01:33:12.100
It was like, you know You
basically order what I order.

01:33:12.570 --> 01:33:14.730
So maybe you should
just talk to my dealer.

01:33:15.350 --> 01:33:17.820
And, uh, you can just
skip me as a middleman.

01:33:18.230 --> 01:33:19.860
And I was like, well,
okay, who's your dealer?

01:33:19.870 --> 01:33:21.700
And he was like, she was like,
oh, he's one of the health angels.

01:33:21.700 --> 01:33:22.670
And I was like, sure.

01:33:22.760 --> 01:33:23.240
Nope.

01:33:24.640 --> 01:33:25.720
Just flat out.

01:33:25.910 --> 01:33:26.710
No, I'm done.

01:33:26.950 --> 01:33:27.260
Travis Bader: Yeah.

01:33:28.270 --> 01:33:32.730
Chance Burles: I'm not getting engaged
in that, but my life would be very

01:33:32.730 --> 01:33:35.270
different had I engaged in that, like,
if I had just been like, oh yeah, sure.

01:33:35.270 --> 01:33:35.710
No problem.

01:33:35.710 --> 01:33:35.940
I'd like.

01:33:36.675 --> 01:33:37.560
Like that, that would be.

01:33:37.560 --> 01:33:38.705
Think of the bag wheels you could get.

01:33:38.765 --> 01:33:39.025
Right.

01:33:39.025 --> 01:33:41.494
Make a lot of money.

01:33:41.495 --> 01:33:44.685
I definitely would probably have a
bike at a patch and like, uh, at that

01:33:44.685 --> 01:33:48.245
point in time in my life, that wasn't,
that could have been a very easy

01:33:48.245 --> 01:33:50.015
decision to go down a very bad road.

01:33:50.095 --> 01:33:50.315
Yeah.

01:33:50.705 --> 01:33:53.835
And the quality of the people
that I was hanging around

01:33:53.835 --> 01:33:55.605
with were not quality people.

01:33:55.675 --> 01:33:56.215
Travis Bader: Mm.

01:33:57.150 --> 01:33:59.650
Chance Burles: Then I was like,
okay, I can't do that anymore.

01:33:59.680 --> 01:34:02.760
And I got a phone call from my brother
who was in South Korea at the time.

01:34:03.180 --> 01:34:05.370
And he was teaching English and doing
Taekwondo and all kinds of stuff.

01:34:06.100 --> 01:34:09.510
And he asked me, he was like, well,
are you going to go join the army?

01:34:10.240 --> 01:34:12.340
I was like, well, you know,
maybe I'd always kind of kept

01:34:12.340 --> 01:34:13.000
it in like my back pocket.

01:34:13.350 --> 01:34:16.390
It was like, I'd wanted to, since
I was little, but, and I was

01:34:16.390 --> 01:34:17.880
like, yeah, maybe, I don't know.

01:34:17.880 --> 01:34:18.990
And he's like, well,
what's holding you back?

01:34:18.990 --> 01:34:21.535
And I'm like, Good question.

01:34:21.915 --> 01:34:22.575
Nothing.

01:34:22.585 --> 01:34:24.195
And he's like, well then go fucking do it.

01:34:24.345 --> 01:34:24.595
Yeah.

01:34:26.665 --> 01:34:27.085
Okay.

01:34:27.295 --> 01:34:30.085
And the next day I went down to the
recruiting office and I started the

01:34:30.085 --> 01:34:35.365
process and went like, and that again,
same kind of decision of like, he made

01:34:35.365 --> 01:34:39.425
me, he asked the right question at the
right time, which made me realize that

01:34:39.545 --> 01:34:41.495
where I was was not where I wanted to be.

01:34:42.285 --> 01:34:45.735
And that's the power of having the right
group and the right people around you.

01:34:45.805 --> 01:34:46.435
Exactly.

01:34:46.595 --> 01:34:48.715
Like he could have just sloughed
it off and like, yeah, sure.

01:34:48.715 --> 01:34:51.185
You know, go get a job or whatever.

01:34:51.185 --> 01:34:53.445
It's that the quality of the community.

01:34:53.445 --> 01:34:58.785
And so now the collective is I am
surrounded by quality people, quality

01:34:58.785 --> 01:35:02.675
people that want nothing but the best
for me and my family and are going

01:35:02.675 --> 01:35:08.185
to push me to degrees that I'm not
comfortable with, but they're doing it.

01:35:08.215 --> 01:35:12.245
And I know they're doing it
for what they see as my best.

01:35:12.615 --> 01:35:13.325
It's all out of love.

01:35:13.365 --> 01:35:13.675
Yeah.

01:35:13.725 --> 01:35:14.145
And.

01:35:14.380 --> 01:35:17.240
At, if I get to a point where I'm like,
no, screw off, I'm not doing that.

01:35:17.600 --> 01:35:19.700
They'll be like, okay, cool.

01:35:20.020 --> 01:35:20.570
And move on.

01:35:20.630 --> 01:35:20.830
Right.

01:35:20.860 --> 01:35:25.890
It's, it's that quality of
community and it comes back to

01:35:25.890 --> 01:35:26.140
Travis Bader: here.

01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:26.970
Yeah.

01:35:28.340 --> 01:35:30.650
I'm going to put links in
the bio to the collective.

01:35:31.405 --> 01:35:34.175
Um, social media, website, all the rest.

01:35:34.175 --> 01:35:38.525
You guys are on YouTube, you got
your YouTube channel, podcast comes

01:35:38.525 --> 01:35:39.935
through now too, which is nice.

01:35:39.945 --> 01:35:40.525
That's a good one.

01:35:41.295 --> 01:35:45.455
Is there anything that we haven't talked
about that we should talk about, or

01:35:45.485 --> 01:35:47.095
should we keep it for a future one?

01:35:47.855 --> 01:35:48.445
Chance Burles: That's a tough one.

01:35:48.445 --> 01:35:51.045
I mean, we were going to get into
self promotion, but we never really

01:35:51.045 --> 01:35:53.935
got into that one, but I think that's
a whole podcast in and of itself.

01:35:54.165 --> 01:35:54.875
We did a little bit.

01:35:54.915 --> 01:35:55.545
I mean, I've touched on

01:35:55.545 --> 01:35:55.605
Travis Bader: it.

01:35:55.605 --> 01:35:55.815
Yeah.

01:35:55.855 --> 01:35:57.925
About self promotion
comes under self worth.

01:35:57.925 --> 01:35:58.045
Right.

01:35:58.045 --> 01:35:58.225
Yeah.

01:35:58.470 --> 01:36:01.720
So, I mean, we didn't talk about
tactics or ways to self promote.

01:36:02.190 --> 01:36:05.870
And I think for those who have a
difficult time self promoting, and

01:36:05.870 --> 01:36:09.850
I'm one of them, I mean, I don't
want to stand up on the mountaintop

01:36:09.850 --> 01:36:11.620
and say, Hey, I'm awesome at this.

01:36:11.620 --> 01:36:11.810
Right.

01:36:11.810 --> 01:36:12.500
Come over here.

01:36:13.020 --> 01:36:14.860
It's like that Sports Illustrated curse.

01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:15.490
You've heard of that?

01:36:15.540 --> 01:36:15.880
Yep.

01:36:15.970 --> 01:36:16.220
Okay.

01:36:16.220 --> 01:36:16.700
You're on the cover.

01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:17.560
You've heard of everything.

01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:17.890
Damn it.

01:36:18.730 --> 01:36:19.350
I've been around.

01:36:20.070 --> 01:36:20.980
I've talked to a lot of people.

01:36:21.200 --> 01:36:24.805
You're, um, You're on the cover of
the sports illustrated magazine and

01:36:24.805 --> 01:36:26.425
people say, well, that's a curse.

01:36:26.435 --> 01:36:26.725
Right.

01:36:27.065 --> 01:36:28.835
Well, I mean, you're at
the top of your game.

01:36:28.835 --> 01:36:31.515
That's why you're on the cover of
the sports illustrated magazine.

01:36:31.765 --> 01:36:34.175
You kind of only have
one place to go is down.

01:36:34.455 --> 01:36:36.745
You brag yourself up to such a huge point.

01:36:37.095 --> 01:36:38.315
Where do you got to go?

01:36:38.615 --> 01:36:43.215
So for those that have a difficult
time self promoting, I think

01:36:43.295 --> 01:36:46.135
surrounding themselves with other
people who can promote them.

01:36:46.635 --> 01:36:48.185
Is a very important thing.

01:36:48.185 --> 01:36:48.585
Yes.

01:36:48.795 --> 01:36:51.395
Chance Burles: And interestingly
enough, there's also the same thing

01:36:51.395 --> 01:36:53.275
happens with the, uh, EA curse.

01:36:53.945 --> 01:36:57.705
Back in the day, uh, with video games,
when EA was putting out their, you know,

01:36:57.705 --> 01:37:02.665
the NHL and the NBA, uh, every single
time that person was on the cover,

01:37:02.715 --> 01:37:04.265
they had a crap year the next year.

01:37:04.765 --> 01:37:05.105
Travis Bader: Yeah.

01:37:05.195 --> 01:37:06.485
Cause where, where else can they go?

01:37:06.835 --> 01:37:08.225
They can maintain or they can go down.

01:37:09.085 --> 01:37:14.405
So if you're going to promote yourself as
if you're the sports illustrated cover,

01:37:15.555 --> 01:37:18.035
it's kind of a recipe for, for failure.

01:37:18.085 --> 01:37:18.315
Yeah.

01:37:18.870 --> 01:37:23.200
Um, from my perspective, and I
mean, there is an art form for

01:37:23.200 --> 01:37:24.640
people to be able to self promote.

01:37:24.680 --> 01:37:29.680
And I think a big part of that
comes into self worth where

01:37:29.680 --> 01:37:31.580
you're not actually bragging.

01:37:31.940 --> 01:37:33.620
You're just making honest statements.

01:37:33.630 --> 01:37:35.830
And I think the Dutch are really
good about that too, right?

01:37:36.110 --> 01:37:39.370
They can say some very
blunt, honest things.

01:37:40.535 --> 01:37:42.935
Um, how does this dress make me look?

01:37:42.935 --> 01:37:43.985
Well, it makes you look fat.

01:37:44.935 --> 01:37:45.745
Okay, thanks.

01:37:45.745 --> 01:37:46.615
I'll put something else on.

01:37:46.615 --> 01:37:46.885
Yeah, right.

01:37:46.885 --> 01:37:48.315
And it's okay.

01:37:48.315 --> 01:37:51.285
Well, that's, they're not dancing
around it, they're very blunt,

01:37:51.285 --> 01:37:52.725
very pragmatic to the point.

01:37:53.835 --> 01:37:55.215
Well, you know, I'm kind of the best.

01:37:55.565 --> 01:37:55.745
Yeah.

01:37:55.835 --> 01:37:58.835
I mean, like if you, if you look at
me in the industry and there's so

01:37:58.835 --> 01:38:01.445
and so here and so, and so there,
but what I do, I'm, I'm the best.

01:38:01.505 --> 01:38:01.805
Right.

01:38:01.805 --> 01:38:03.725
And they can put it out in a certain way.

01:38:04.355 --> 01:38:07.805
North America, our culture, it
doesn't, uh, it doesn't jive with

01:38:07.805 --> 01:38:10.755
that sort of, um, just brutal honesty.

01:38:10.815 --> 01:38:13.335
Chance Burles: Now that would be
a podcast and a half in terms of

01:38:13.425 --> 01:38:17.185
why the Western world has gotten
to a point that we cannot, we

01:38:17.185 --> 01:38:18.725
can't be honest with each other.

01:38:19.555 --> 01:38:24.235
Travis Bader: You dance around issues
and have little platitudes and niceties.

01:38:24.245 --> 01:38:24.725
And yeah,

01:38:24.815 --> 01:38:27.405
Chance Burles: and it's all, again,
it's all about behavior, right?

01:38:27.725 --> 01:38:28.035
Yeah.

01:38:28.065 --> 01:38:31.484
Passive aggressiveness drives me
absolutely nuts, but, um, yeah.

01:38:32.465 --> 01:38:35.095
To your point in terms of the
collective and the community and

01:38:35.095 --> 01:38:39.025
the, uh, the capacity for growth.

01:38:39.065 --> 01:38:41.365
I think that I think that's
the key is that that's what

01:38:41.365 --> 01:38:42.215
makes the community great.

01:38:43.145 --> 01:38:45.045
Everybody in it wants to be better.

01:38:45.615 --> 01:38:48.015
It doesn't matter where you are, doesn't
matter where you come from, doesn't matter

01:38:48.025 --> 01:38:50.055
who or what you've done in your life.

01:38:50.365 --> 01:38:52.245
Every single person that's a
part of it wants to be better.

01:38:52.665 --> 01:38:56.775
Travis Bader: So what I'm going to do here
is lean into my first statement, which

01:38:56.835 --> 01:39:02.075
is surround yourself with other people
who can help promote for you by showing

01:39:02.605 --> 01:39:05.375
through their actions what they've done
well, like it's all great if they want to

01:39:05.375 --> 01:39:09.225
post it up on social media and post the
next thing and have other people around.

01:39:09.225 --> 01:39:13.895
I think the real value comes from them
actually implementing the advice and the

01:39:14.125 --> 01:39:17.555
tips and tricks and different things that
they see implementing that in their own

01:39:17.555 --> 01:39:19.995
life and other people will be like, Hey.

01:39:20.540 --> 01:39:21.540
You used to be down here.

01:39:21.570 --> 01:39:22.310
Now you're over here.

01:39:22.310 --> 01:39:23.060
What are you doing?

01:39:23.090 --> 01:39:23.350
Right.

01:39:23.870 --> 01:39:25.080
That's where I see the value.

01:39:25.080 --> 01:39:28.380
Not so much in posting and
reposting, which is fantastic,

01:39:28.970 --> 01:39:32.560
but in actually taking those next
steps and implementing the things.

01:39:32.560 --> 01:39:34.030
So I'm going to put the challenge out.

01:39:34.820 --> 01:39:38.320
People who listen to this
podcast, you find value, please.

01:39:39.040 --> 01:39:40.220
Share that with others.

01:39:40.600 --> 01:39:43.870
A lot of people that listen to this
podcast have listened to the collective

01:39:43.900 --> 01:39:48.480
because I've mentioned in the past,
share what you see, engage with

01:39:48.480 --> 01:39:55.660
others on the collective through here,
throughout each other and, and share

01:39:55.660 --> 01:40:00.280
that essentially, uh, share it through
your actions by all means, show us

01:40:00.290 --> 01:40:02.760
what, what, uh, what it means to you.

01:40:02.780 --> 01:40:05.950
I, I put that ask out, if they've
made it this far into this podcast,

01:40:06.020 --> 01:40:06.870
we made it to the end, yet.

01:40:07.030 --> 01:40:09.260
We will know because you'll
see people doing that.

01:40:09.330 --> 01:40:11.790
Chance Burles: Well, you know, I think
what you're asking for is for people

01:40:11.790 --> 01:40:13.430
to be the community that they want.

01:40:13.440 --> 01:40:18.980
Just be the community and you can,
it's very simple, but not easy.

01:40:19.270 --> 01:40:21.740
And it comes down to daily actions.

01:40:21.740 --> 01:40:23.370
How are you going to present yourself?

01:40:23.780 --> 01:40:25.919
How are you going to engage your,
how are you going to engage?

01:40:26.160 --> 01:40:29.350
Your best self that says on a mug, do your

01:40:29.360 --> 01:40:29.660
Travis Bader: best.

01:40:29.690 --> 01:40:30.420
Do your best.

01:40:30.460 --> 01:40:33.620
Nothing in my life I've ever
gotten has ever come easy.

01:40:34.180 --> 01:40:34.950
Do your best.

01:40:34.960 --> 01:40:35.330
That's it.

01:40:35.360 --> 01:40:36.810
That was the, uh, the mug you gave me.

01:40:36.840 --> 01:40:37.050
Yeah.

01:40:38.220 --> 01:40:38.700
Chance.

01:40:38.830 --> 01:40:41.500
Thank you so much for being
on the Silver Pearl podcast.

01:40:41.730 --> 01:40:44.270
Really appreciate getting to meet
you in person and I'm looking

01:40:44.270 --> 01:40:45.570
forward to the next time we record.

01:40:46.280 --> 01:40:48.430
Chance Burles: Maybe we'll see if
I ever make it back to Vancouver.

01:40:49.960 --> 01:40:51.010
Travis Bader: I'll come up to your place

01:40:51.400 --> 01:40:51.970
Chance Burles: you get on the road.

01:40:52.090 --> 01:40:52.630
That'll be awesome.

01:40:52.810 --> 01:40:53.020
Ready?