Trey: Hello, and welcome back to another episode of MCU Need to Know, a podcast
dedicated to the Marvel Cinematic Universe and everything you need to know.
I'm Trey.
Jude: I'm Jude.
How are you doing Trey?
Well, Jude I'm excited because our trek through the multi-verse continues
for another week, whether it's hosting MCU Need to Know with friend Daniel
in one universe or spinning a web of fan theories in this one, we're happy
to welcome back the universal delight.
Trey: Leech.
Welcome back, Leech!
Jude: Welcome Leech!
Leech: Thanks for having me.
Trey: Hey, how's it going?
Leech: It's going good.
How about you?
Trey: You know what?
Leech: You just answered that, but
Trey: you know what I was thinking about it today, uh, ever since you made
this comment, whenever we were prepping for the, what if friend, uh, Daniel
and Leech bonus episode, I knew this was something we needed to rectify.
You've never done a review episode with us.
It's always been the wrap.
Leech: Oh, yeah,
Jude: It has been
It has been.
Yeah.
Leech: And we picked this episode.
Pre-spoiler thoughts pre-spoiler thoughts.
Trey: You know what I was, I mentioned this before we started,
I legitimately think we're ready.
We're we're prime for an inverse of last week.
I thought this was going to go one way.
I'm so excited to see how this plays out.
But of course, like we said, you know, we got our pre spoiler thoughts, but you
know, before we get there, Leech you've made multiple appearances on this podcast.
So at this point, I'm fairly certain, the audience is familiar with you
and your relationship to the MCU.
I thought it would be fun, uh, here at the top to get your thoughts, if any,
on some of the new entries in the MCU.
So whether that be the Hawkeye trailer release, uh, Shang-Chi,
or confirmation of black widow.
And what if getting an assembled documentary, um, as any of those
been standing out to you lately?
Leech: I actually didn't know about black widow.
And what if getting it assembled documentaries?
So that's news, but it's to be expected, like they're really good, but the
format of, you know, it comes out, we have the assembled, like it's just,
why not make the content it's there.
It's just free content, put it together.
Um, so I'm, I am excited about that.
Not that I know about it.
Uh, Hawkeye was pretty much Hawkeye diehard, and I'm
really just, I, we needed that.
We needed another diehard without it just being a remake of diehard.
So I'm here for it.
I'm totally here for it.
Trey: Plus any holiday themed entries into the MCU is always a welcome.
Jude: I didn't think about that, but yeah, this diehard, isn't it.
It's
Leech: absolutely diehard.
It's free rewatch the trailer and just think diehards and it's totally.
It's perfect.
It's great.
We all know what they're doing.
The wink is there.
It's a wonderful Christmas movie,
Trey: dude.
This is definitely something I'll bring up once we get into this spoiler zone, but
I didn't think about this until just now.
There is more and more evidence for us as podcasters being psychic.
Cause we just talked about a happy Hogan being John McClain.
And then the week later that comes out and then, like I said, in the spoiler
zone, there's two more things that happen.
And so what more proof Kevin foggy superfan?
That's right.
Leech: I will say Sean.
She was, it was a welcome origin movie, I guess.
I think I've been missing that because we've just been dealing with people
who've known and we care about, but it was really nice to see a new
face for the first time in a while.
And I know we have some new characters and Loki and you know, we had new
characters in one division, but just like.
I needed that origin story format.
And I was just really excited.
I was so excited watching that
Jude: movie.
Yeah.
I think that's one of the things why I love.
More, I had to be careful, but it was the same more than black widow.
Um, and I only want to, I want to be careful just cause I, I
really, really loved black widow.
Um, but like you said, having that new character and that fresh.
It was just awesome to see,
Trey: you know, this is something that I wanted to tease.
Uh, and I can segue with this.
You talked about that feeling of wanting to be careful with black
widow, uh, because you love that as well, but Shung, chief felt different.
You know, that was something I brought up in our quick reactions episode and
wouldn't, you know, it, I got to guest on, there was an idea, uh, Tara's podcast.
And we brought that up in our discussion of and she found a way to frame that
beautifully, where she separated what black widow is and the excitement
and Shung cheat, while giving both of them the respect they deserve.
And so all that to tease, if you haven't listened to that episode, yet,
you should definitely do it because it was so much fun getting to do a deep
dive with her on junkie and the legend of the tin rinks, which of course we
will a link in the show notes as well.
But, uh, but yeah, I, I think I'm right there with y'all with
just kind of non spoiler thought for as much as origin movie.
Get a bad rep within the superhero universe.
The thing I think may not get sung enough for MCU.
They've gotten really good at it.
Like they've done so many origin stories at this point that they've,
they've got it down pat, and it's really fun to see how they continue
to serve what they're good at while keeping it innovated moving forward.
Yeah.
Well, cool.
That's always, uh, always good to get a good sample of what's going on the
MCU, but of course, since you downloaded this episode, you know, we are going
to be talking about season one, episode seven of what if which is entirely.
What if Thor were an only child.
So the way we're going to do this is we have some pre spoiler thoughts
where we'll talk about the episode without getting into any spoilers,
but you'll hear an audio cue, which will take us into the spoiler zone.
So before we get there, leech, if we can start with you, what are your pre
spoiler thoughts for this episode?
So
Leech: can I just discuss the title here in this area?
Sure.
He's he has a sister I'm really
Jude: confused.
Trey: I'm so happy you're here.
Yeah.
I just kind of
Leech: stuck on that.
That kind of ruined the whole intro for weeks.
Well, I try not to see anything until I sit down and watch and I try to just
click through and I don't even see the title title, but of course you see the
title as the streams loading, and I'm just like, okay, I read it and that,
wait, what are we talking about here?
Where's this sister.
Jude: Well, there's not an acknowledged teller yet.
Trey: I guess.
That's that within the timeline that they're playing with?
Yeah, man, you've just turned this episode upside down for me.
I did not think about that whatsoever.
A
Leech: little further in, I will explain additional information on that, but I
can, I have some more thoughts on that for
Trey: sure.
What about YouTube?
What, uh, what are your pre spoiler thoughts for this episode?
Jude: I'm going to, I'm going to add to what Lisa just said.
I mean, part of the title, I was just like, what's wrong with only Childs.
What's wrong with them?
And grudge, I guess, uh, I I'm not going to sugar coat it.
I didn't like this episode.
Yeah.
Like I, it just didn't work for me and I can't elaborate in praise,
unfortunately.
So, yeah, Trey, I know you've been dying all day to gush on this episode,
Trey: free spoiler thought.
So, uh, we've been sharing our pre spoiler thoughts on.
Uh, day of, if not the day after the episode releases.
So starting with what I shared there, I think this is the funniest episode of
the season so far, and 100% the silliness that I'm looking for after the season
that we have gotten so far, um, you know, one of the things that was standing out
to me when I did my rewatch today is jus you've kept mentioning throughout
every episode, how there are moments that it's like, this is a cartoon.
I, I, I see now that it it's a cartoon, whether that be non pejorative or
pejorative in some senses where it gets a little too silly, you know, this
episode, I think, is it wearing that cartoon nature fully on its sleeve?
Um, and so because of that, I think I appreciated that it lived up to its
premise by just leaning so hard into it.
And I thought more about it.
You know, and actually, I think this was a discussion with friend Daniel, if
the choices that I've been given based off the sample of episodes we've gotten
so far is this level of silliness or the too serious that we've gotten some
of the Dr strange stuff or the episode before with last week, I much prefer
this, but I still prefer something else.
And so it's like, I enjoy this, but it's, it's, it's, it's interesting.
And, you know, I don't think I can say much more until we get
into the spoiler zone, but yeah.
That's where, that's where I'm landing at this one.
I'm, I'm trying to meet the episode halfway.
And if that halfway point is this stuff I'm in.
Jude: Interesting.
Okay.
Uh, because I think, and this is still, I think, pre spoiler stuff
and only just cause we mentioned it in the last episode, leech, what
did you think of the last time?
Leech: Oh, um, the, that was the Dr.
Strange
Jude: one, right?
No, not the doctor.
Strange.
I don't know the Killmonger one
Leech: yet.
Killmonger one.
Yes.
Okay.
Sorry.
I think I just wanted to kind of glaze over that one, so,
Jude: okay.
Okay.
Um, so cause we mentioned in the last that Killmonger one had seven stars
and just I'm sticking with the IMD B rating and this one had 6.7 stars, Dr.
Strange nine zombies, a God, as much as it likes to Dr.
Strange, I would flip those two in terms of
Trey: stars.
Uh, eight verse strange nine for zombies.
Yeah.
Jude: Um, wow.
Okay.
No, that's right.
And captain Carter 7.1
Trey: stars.
So this is the lowest rated one of the seasons.
Jude: Oh,
Trey: wow.
When did you start your account?
I'm kidding.
Well, it really feels like we're tiptoeing around spoilers.
So I think this might be the time to play the audio cue.
So like we said, you're going to hear that.
And on the other side, it'll be fair game for all spoilers in
the MCU, except for Shung cheap.
So we'll see you on the other side
and we're back.
So we're going to break this down into three acts of this episode and act one
is going to take us from the beginning where we open up with Jane and Darcy
observing the anomalies in the sky, uh, all the way through the night of
partying that Thor brings to Vegas just before Jane wakes up the next morning.
So starting with you, leech, where would you like to start within this?
Leech: Let's start at the beginning.
Cause I've got, I've got questions.
Trey: Go for it.
Where's Eric.
I think he
Jude: was mentioned by name briefly.
Trey: Yes, it was just in passing really.
Leech: Okay.
Because I was caught off
Jude: guard, but that was that wasn't at the beginning though.
That was later.
Trey: Okay.
Was it, it was whenever she tries to do the setup to get Haim Dahl's attention and
she's like, oh, thank you so much, Eric.
And then hangs up, but he never gets like a, a voice role.
Leech: Oh, okay.
Okay.
I just, I'm trying to think of, you know, what decisions, you know okay.
Odin didn't take Loki was low-key even part of any, like, you know,
mid guard lore at all, if you know, cause they've been around.
Cause cause uh, when Jane was spouting off, you know, different names oh it's
just like, you know, you know, back in the day and stuff and spouting off names.
I don't remember hearing low-key so I was just kinda wondering
like, is there like, did Eric.
Resonate with Loki, for whatever reason.
I mean, we've seen him in his underwear, like possibly.
So is that why he, you know, didn't pursue astrophysics?
Like, I don't know.
I was starting to go down that road within the first like minute.
So I was very confused by that, but yeah, I'll have to rewatch
and catch that phone call
Jude: again.
Trey: Super brief.
Oh yeah.
Blink.
And you miss it kind of stuff, but it makes me wonder because.
You know, I like I've given up on the hope of this, these, these later episodes
giving us that moment, things change.
It seems as we've gotten further into this back half, we are entering universes that
have just completely changed because like Odin, doesn't go to his Odin sleep until
the second movie, if I'm not mistaken.
Right.
And so we have Thor entering earth earlier than that event, which happens later.
So it feels like the timeline's all over the place.
And I think trying to create a one-to-one from the prime
timelines is just a loss game.
At this point,
Leech: I think I'm also really stuck on the, a decision was made and then
everything resonates around that, but it's like, something else could have happened
that made Odin make that decision.
Like it wasn't, he flipped a coin and it landed on the one or the other.
It could have been something else that happened.
So I feel like, yeah, that could have resonated with the whole universe and it
couldn't have any direct relationship.
With what happens elsewhere.
It just it's what we're following.
Jude: Well, I mean, it will do.
And what if, like, if you want to see something completely
different Odin returning Loki, and then let's follow that path.
Leech: I want to see that
Jude: side of things.
That would be fantastic.
Um, but we didn't get the fantastic.
So, you know, I admit like, like we had the group, the group chat thing
and, you know, friend Daniel was all like, you're a party pooper.
I'm like, I guess I am like a party pooper.
I
Trey: admitted, well, you know, since you brought that up, I want to say
its us being psychic last week after we were wrapping up the third act of
what if Killmonger rescued Tony stark.
And I ended it by saying like, I came into this episode saying I
don't want to be a party pooper.
I don't want to be a party pooper.
And lo and behold, that was a straight-up phrase that they use in this.
On top of that two weeks ago, when we were discussing with Nick Sandy
about what our superpower would be.
I mentioned I wanted a cup that never emptied, and they brought that
back again here in this episode.
So there, whenever those two things happened to this episode,
it was just a pure delight.
And so, You know, if I can speak a little bit more to what you two were talking
about with, um, Odin, bringing Loki back to his original family and wanting to
follow along that path line, I appreciated that this episode, even though it didn't
give us a, like a defining moment, it gave us that overview of The Watcher
narrating on top of those illustrations of almost like a storybook retelling of
the relationship between Thor and Loki.
And that I think set it up for me because it was examining the
formula of what these movies were.
Like we know how much that relationship is important.
And so this is leaning into like, okay, what happens if you
remove the, the formula, like if you just completely change it.
And I mentioned in the pre spoiler thought, you know, I, if we're, if I'm
given the choice between what's been given so far, the too serious or the silliness,
I'd rather this, but still want something more this, like, even though I liked this
episode and the ridiculousness of it, it feels like every answer to their, what if
question is things would just be worse.
And so if that's like the answer that we keep coming back to, if you change
this or you change that and things are getting worse, it feels like the episodes
are already fighting an uphill battle.
So I'm with you two where like, yes, that would have been great to
see what happened to Loki when he is a return to his original family.
But when this episode has things like the, the choir of women vocalizing as Odin
goes to sleep, or Thor like turning and slow motion and his hair is all fluttery
or even that wonderful moment where they, um, they kind of like do a reverse where
Thor and the warriors arrive in Vegas and it's all dramatic and his voice is deep.
And he said, "we're here to party."
And it just like immediately, like this is the MCU taking that impulse to
undercut moments with comedy and turning it to 11 and being unapologetic for it.
And so I can see how again, because like I said, I want something more,
but I see what they're going for and I was just buckled in for like, okay,
let's have some fun and just laugh at it because that's, I think what this episode
has done, uh, with this opening act.
Jude: Yeah.
I just changed my mind.
This, this episode is fantastic because it got us, the Trey Thor
voice saying I'm here to party.
That's, that's my new ringtone.
Trey: ANOTHER!
Jude: Right.
And that'll be my text messages.
But you're right.
Like, like it is this, that, that, that element dialed up to 11.
And how, how do I want to explain this?
I've seen like, I guess so here's where I come from.
And it's so weird for me to be saying this because I had a friend, uh,
conversation with a friend shine.
Yeah, he was he's in the same boat as you, like.
I want something vastly different, you know, and I'm kind of in the vote of
like, no, I want to see the original content and see where that change goes.
And that's what I was reading with the league of like you wince.
They, they went into the, the, the uninteresting way to me, like, like
you're giving me what I want and then you go off into the inner direction.
Um, and so that's why I found it interesting.
I haven't talked to Sean yet, but that's what I found interesting that
you liked this episode so much because it felt like it didn't feel like it
was a drastic difference, really?
Um, well, I, I mean, not in the, not in the context of like, like you
were wanting, does that make sense?
Trey: Um, It's drastic for me, but I see the, like, I don't agree
with it, but I see what you mean.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Like, cause like, cause it was like, it, it it's, it's
kinda like what I was saying.
Like if the answer to, what if as things are just worse and we get this
incredibly obnoxious Thor, you know, I'm, I'm thankful that it is different
and it's a one-off and that we got the humbled door in the prime timeline.
Like it's making me retroactively grateful for the first two Thor movies that even if
those were somewhat of a less than stellar entry in the MCU, at least we saw the
progress of Thor becoming a better person.
Whereas this was, he just never learned a thing.
Jude: See, I don't know.
Okay.
I realized I'm about to jump into the timeline.
I don't know if that's, if, because that's not the way I took the.
Like at the ending, he asked Jane on a date and he's like apologizing
and then it gets all serious.
Cause I'll try and showed up.
And so to me, it just felt like the writers were like, Hey, I just want
to see third party for a little bit.
And then we're going to go back to what we all know a store, you know,
I guess, I guess the way to put it is like I've seen, you know, old school
and I've watched dazed and confused.
I've seen the super bad and I just didn't need to see it animated with Thor.
Leech: What if, what if the watcher just needed some eye bleach.
And he just went somewhere and it was like, after all of that, I've seen so many
people die and I just need a fun romp.
Can I find one universe that they're just not murdering each other and
he found it and then he didn't.
Jude: So, yeah.
Is that why he's so surprised when Ultron shows up at the end?
Leech: Yeah, he was just hanging out with his popcorn,
just like trying to like relax
Trey: Leech.
You just recontextualize the watcher for me because it is now my personal
head canon that the Watcher, the, What If to The Watcher is the
interdimensional cable for Rick and Morty.
Leech: That's exactly what this is.
We're like the person who doesn't know what's going on sitting next to them on
the couch and they're just like, oh yeah.
And then watch watch as this happens.
And then, you know, in the first episode, you know that right there.
Right.
There's that moment.
And then we're just slowly getting into the series with them.
Yeah.
I honestly think that there's something more to the watcher.
Like there's this isn't just a narrator situation.
I feel like there have been already instances of wanting to intervene and
having conversations about intervening.
And now we're kind of breaking character in this episode again, so,
Jude: well, you know what, I'd really hoped to see him intervene, but let's
just go ahead and get the live action.
Jeffrey Wright
Trey: and any excuse to get Jeffrey Wright is always warranted.
I'll take it.
You know what I'll, I'll say this to, to play in that space where it's like.
Oh, you know, I've seen this trope before.
I've seen that truck before the closest I come to feeling that is, I didn't
have a way to articulate it, but I think bouncing off of this and make sense.
Yes.
This episode silly.
And it feels like it's, it feels like it's its own robot chicken episode of itself.
That's a good way to put it.
And I got stuck on this question and I don't even know if it's worth
getting too much into it, but is it the, does it ring the same?
If the person making it as the person they're also spoofing?
Like, does that make sense?
I don't think I followed you on that.
So like for example, they're spoofing Marvel studio stuff.
Marvel studios is the one who made this quote unquote robot chicken of itself.
If that goes, if that
Leech: at the Metta.
Jude: Yeah.
Yeah.
Like if you can see me now, It's that GIF of what is it?
Zach Galifianakis or whatever his name is with the beautiful mind stuff going on.
I'm trying to like fall.
Well,
Trey: I'm finally living up to my Charlie day with all his pins on the chalkboard.
Jude: Okay.
So, so you're saying that they're intentionally making fun
Trey: of themselves.
Right?
And so if I'm going to go into that space with you where like, it's just
like, like, oh, I've seen this before.
Like it's not as charming.
It's like, is it fair that they get to do that themselves?
Leech: I don't think we have the power in this relationship at all.
So we just need to take it for what we got
Trey: like.
Yeah.
Which, and we'll, we don't have to go plus by saying I was just
going to try and play that space.
We can, we can drop it.
But
Leech: I think this episode actually like really, really, really works
considering the whole episode.
In that like false sense of security, like, oh, this is going to be, you know,
one of these days kind of episodes.
And then all of a sudden we have a twist.
So like, I think ultimately if I had to choose a side, I think
this episode totally works.
Jude: So I, I was, I brought this up.
I wondering, do y'all think the reception of this episode would have
been better and the reception of the Killmonger episode would have been
better if those two are flipped now.
Cause we've talked about having like three kind of darker in a row, then
this way over the top silliness, I've
Leech: been really irritated if I got the Killmonger after this, because I
want to know more after this episode.
And if we move on to something cool after this, then I think I could live with that.
But if we moved on to, um, a redoing of black Panther, I
would have been very irritated.
Okay.
Trey: Yeah.
I don't think those sequencing.
These two episodes one, because like, yes, I agree.
Dr.
Strange episode was really heavy to me.
Zombies was a break because even though the wrapper of a zombie
apocalypse is heavy, they were pretty silly throughout it.
So it like, it never felt overbearing for me and the Killmonger one just
structurally didn't work for me because it was like, it was like, just cause we
talked about it, the moment that it did away with Tony, it went away from what
makes that, what if question special?
Because you lost that core element of their question.
Um, so no, I, I, to me personally, I don't think the sequencing
had any aspect of the reception.
I will say this if this episode was earlier in the season, I don't
know if I would have felt the same way because this felt like, uh,
like it felt like a relief after.
Being up and down throughout the season, like, like it was like, okay,
here's, here's the lifesaver to get me through the next two episodes.
I think to,
Leech: I watch it to watch the watcher because I feel like that's, I feel like
that's who we're supposed to follow.
And I feel like in the order that we see, you know, these episodes,
you see the, and I could be totally wrong as I usually am, but I feel
like we see that character develop a bit with like empathy and whatnot.
Like he's falling asleep, cute bronc between, you know, foreign gene.
Like, you know, maybe he has a heart after all kind of thing.
Like, I don't know, I don't know what's happening, but I feel like.
The episodes couldn't be out of the order they currently in because of that.
Trey: Yeah.
I think the watcher definitely is a through-line whether or not the
episodes dive too far into it.
He's definitely is a through line.
So I think you're correct.
And you need that sequencing.
Um, even just from a visual standpoint, he was a silhouette to
begin with and now we see his face.
Jude: I love your idea of that.
Following the watcher, the watcher has some element of choice.
Oh
Leech: yeah.
Have you sat down and watched the mall?
Back-to-back recently I have no, no.
Or at all.
Oh yeah.
Oh, it's very evident when you do that.
Yeah.
It sticks out a lot more.
It's an emotional roller coaster of the episodes, but it sticks out a lot more.
And it's very interesting.
So I, I challenge people, you know, with all the free time everyone has to do that.
And I think I'm going to do it again for the finale.
Trey: Nice.
You have to let us know how that goes and how that changes any
perceptions of the episode, for sure.
Jude: Definitely.
No, I'm I might, um, I'm gonna take you up on your truck.
Um, cause I would like to see that perspective of, cause I really like
that idea of the watcher, like, oh gosh, that three universities are crappy.
Now I'm going to go, you know,
Leech: which one has the unicorns
Jude: and kittens.
Yeah, yeah.
Right.
Trey: Change the channel Morty.
Jude: So, so yeah, like, so, so yeah, I'm, I'm going to accept your challenge.
Challenge accepted.
Trey: Fantastic.
Well, unless there's any more to say, I think that might wrap up act.
So, uh, we're going to switch into act two, which this will take us from Jane
being confronted by shield as a questioner about apprehending Thor all the way
until the scene where captain Marvel has returned back to the shield base and
is explaining why she wasn't successful in stomping, Thor and his raging party.
So starting with you, Jude, uh, where would you like to start in this?
So Hawkeye comes out November, Kevin,
Jude: uh, I want to start here when I, I was really impressed, uh, with
the cast on this one because they got everybody back and I don't think I
recognized everyone's voices right here.
Uh, as much as I did on the second watch.
Um, but, but getting a Colt COBie Smulders, is that right?
Yes.
Uh, yeah, back from Maria Hill, I should know how to pronounce her name.
I'd seen all the, how I met your mother represents.
Uh, but yeah, like it's, uh, that was something that I really did enjoy.
Uh, was it the voice acting in this one?
You know, Kat, Dennings what she did.
Uh, Natalie Portman, you know, all
Trey: of them.
Yeah.
I, I was genuinely shocked once they started speaking and I, Kat
Dennings, I think made the most sense just because we already know
she was working with Wanda division.
And so that relationship is still active, Natalie Portman.
Like I know w Thor 11 thunder, you know, she's coming back, but there
still feels like this, like working that relationship back to good, given
the fallout from Thor, the dark world.
So things must be really well to come in and do this.
What if as well?
Uh, so that, that was genuinely exciting, uh, to see when she started speaking.
Yeah.
Did you know going in leach about the, the voice actors who
would be returning in this one?
Leech: Oh, no, I don't.
I don't look at any of that at all.
So it's really fun guessing it's like, either that person's
really, really, really good.
Yeah.
You know, imitating the voice or that's them.
And then I just kind of just try to enjoy the, either
Jude: way.
Now I do like also speaking of this section that they brought in Carol
Danvers and, you know, captain Marvel, you know, if you were, and
it's, it was very, it sounds, I don't know if I'm going to say this.
Right.
It was very female heavy and that was something that I was
appreciative of, uh, with Maria Hill.
Um and, uh, although I really wish I would have brought Rene
Russo back for free as a voice, um, and you know, Danvers.
Um, and so I really did enjoy that aspect of the episode.
Um, it's just find it interesting that they decided to really embrace
and lean into the, the white male privilege that is Thor and.
Um, and he gets to run around and do things without any real ramifications.
And it just, and I think that's the biggest struggle I'm having
as I'm, as I'm watching this, and this is just isn't working for me,
Trey: you know, I mentioned, uh, in that last act that, you know,
the answer to, what if question is that things get worse and this is a
Thor that is incredibly obnoxious.
So I, 100% see what you're talking about, that this is like, oh, Thor
getting to enact that male privilege and going around with no consequences.
The only counter I have to that, and this has varying degrees of effectiveness,
depending on the person is I think what this episode is trying to do is
like, Hey, we're going to make Thor the most obnoxious person in the world.
And we will point and laugh at it.
Show why he's in the wrong.
And I think it's evident by a scene that happens in the final act, but it's
where he's fighting with captain Marvel.
And he's like, Hey, come on, smile more.
So it's like, it's Marvel taking a shot at all those people who had the
bad faith argument about Brie Larson, like not smiling enough in the MCU.
And then using that as a reason to attack her and showing how ridiculous
that sounds coming from a person like Thor, who is this terrible person?
The question is, you know, I I've mentioned before, there's this joke online
that I've seen where it's somebody who says something like, oh, jokes on you.
I was only pretending to be annoying at the end of the day,
you were still being annoying.
So.
Whether or not, it makes that point.
It still is Thor going around being bad.
Yeah.
Jude: Several.
And if that's the point they're going for it just, they didn't make it.
Well, yeah, it didn't land.
If
Leech: you think about it though, compared to the star Lord episode, you know, you've
got to Charlo over there, like he's earned that respect and the policy and the drinks
and the partying, and then we have this and it's kind of like a big contrast.
Side-by-side it's like, apparently, like we don't know exactly what
happened, but plenty of good and then, you know, has done absolutely nothing.
And so I wonder if that contrast was supposed to be highlighted at
Jude: all.
Trey: And you know, that I think you bring up a good point about that whole
not earning it, because I think one of the things that I do love about this episode
is like, there's, the cameos are abound.
Like there are so many people that show up during, during their partying.
And it's where I see the thin veils of an episode start to
fall apart because you're right.
Like there's no real line of believability of how everybody we've ever seen in
the MCU has now joined here on earth.
Um, and so it's like, I've tried to stop making sense of it and just.
Okay.
And just laugh at it.
Yeah.
So, but I mean, you're giving me food for thought, because I said going into this
episode, whether it was on social media or just among friend chats, this episode
is up there with that to Charla episode.
Um, as my favorites of the season so far, uh, which I should also point
out, I will never forgive this show for making my two favorite episodes are
the ones that feature Howard the duck.
So again, Mrs.
Leech: Howard, the duck too,
Trey: but, um,
Jude: how does, how does there, how is there that big of a party and like stark.
Trey: Well, do we really want to see him die one more time as is the
inclination of this show runner?
Jude: Yeah, I'm just saying like at this, at this point, right, stark, I'm
assuming still alive and in a partier.
So unless it's simultaneously going on as Killmonger is doing his thing
Trey: well, that makes sense.
You have all the fun in this episode and all of the series and that one and
somewhere in between is a happy medium.
Jude: So now I do leech.
We were talking earlier, you made an interesting point of, um, and I'm,
and I'm wondering how much of this is impacting the viewing of this.
And also when I say that I'm also like considering the IMD B you know, being
rated the lowest and stuff, um, It does break off of the first store movie, which
is not the worst in the MCU, but it's definitely not well received either.
I think it's honestly
Leech: just the wig.
That's why I made that movie so much.
And the eyebrows it's just bad, but yeah, it did.
It did mural a lot
Jude: of that.
Yeah.
Uh, and, and it had very, you know, um, Ragnar rock style Thor, and I don't
know, it just, it was a weird mix.
Trey: Yeah.
I think that's a good point.
Like whenever we talked about the Nick fury episode, that was something
that we said were it, that episode felt like what if phase one was as
connected as the later phases of the.
This definitely felt like a, a partial, what if Thor was as not beholden
to the metal drum drama and the Shakespearian stuff that the first
two movies did and just let it cut loose, like the Ragnar rock entry.
Yeah.
So I totally see what you're pointing out there, dude.
But you know, we've mentioned so far, uh, throughout the entirety of this
episode, there has been a peppering of people from all over the MCU lead to.
Were there any that stood out to you?
Um, really, I didn't catch that one.
Where
Leech: was that?
Twice?
Uh, there are a couple, um, points where I saw her and she had the full,
not the full, full getup, but her, um, nowhere get up, not nowhere.
Trey: I know what you're talking about,
Jude: where the collector was, not the collector, Grandmaster, Grandmaster.
I needed more.
Jeff Goldbloom in this episode to one
Trey: hun, everything needs more Jeff Goldbloom,
Jude: but wasn't she stayed an extra Korg.
There were,
Leech: yeah, there were a couple, I want to say two or three flashes ever,
but I thought that was interesting just because if we only saw her, then that
means the events of hella had to be true.
So therefore, whereas
Jude: hella
Trey: you still are blowing my mind with that.
I just did not consider that whatsoever.
Just
Leech: like, I don't even know.
It's just kinda like, okay.
Like let's just, you know, crap on girls this whole episode.
Like whatever, like, oh, captain Marvel.
Ooh.
I was expecting a man.
Like we're just going to just completely forget hella cause you know, Oh,
Trey: by the way I looked it up.
So car is the name of the car.
Yeah.
Jude: Yeah.
You know what, that's another thing like that would have been
a really cool, what if, right.
Like what if, what if Hela and Odin didn't stop?
Oh my gosh.
I mean, I guess that would have been dark, but you know, given
hella, but it's just, I don't know.
And I feel like the thing wasn't
Leech: locked away and, and Loki was adopted and then
Jude: there was no right.
Like, I don't know.
It's just like the options that they had was, well, maybe the options they
have had to do with Thor and that, that franchise, it just, I don't think there's
debt a good choice and they'll direction.
They, they went with it.
Um, cause there's, to me, there was so many more interesting things you could do.
I'm really
Leech: like, I'm really holding out for.
This isn't a one and done, this is there's going to be at least two seasons.
I think there's an overarching story happening here.
I think something's going to like have this small connecting thread between
all these outside of the watcher.
So like really trying to remain optimistic and not like completely tear it apart.
Cause we are just getting these brief glimpses and as much as I want to, like,
you know, captain Carter did one thing that butterfly affected and spiraled out.
Like I want to lean on that format in that formula so bad.
And, and now we're here and that's just, that's not what
Trey: we're doing.
I, I do have something to transit transitioning us.
Cause like you said, not so we're not just beating on it the whole
time, but another where the priest portal or thoughts that I mentioned.
This is the exact level of silliness that I'm looking for in this format.
I think I, I, 100% see what you two are saying about like of the choices
were given within a Thor franchise.
Is Thor throwing a party?
What I want to see?
No, but if this show is 30 minutes and it's not cohesive, I don't
know what you can pull off.
That will be satisfying.
That's not just silly.
And that's me seven episodes into it.
And Dr.
Strange episode, I think is the one that got the closest to it.
And even then it's still like the closest to doing something
heavier and being successful.
And even still, it's just like, it's not satisfying to
me in these bite sized chunks.
So I don't have faith in this series to do anything serious.
So that's why.
All right.
Party Thor.
Let's go for it.
Cause like, even like I knew party Thor was a thing because of Funko pops.
So I knew this would be an episode at some point.
And I just remember seeing that and thinking like, oh, okay.
Like, I don't know if
Jude: so, are you saying that how much, how we're thinking about
what you said, are you saying that like it doesn't, I guess I'm trying
to think of on the serious side.
Cause I, like, I really enjoyed the zombies episode and I
didn't think of it as serious.
You know what I mean?
Um, in the same way of Dr.
Strange or the same way I thought Killmonger was, I didn't think the
captain car episode was serious too serious, if that makes sense.
Um, in fact, they, even some of the voice acting that felt off, I think
it was trying to be time appropriate.
Like I feel like it can be done that they can have a nice
balance because I think they.
You know, I, I feel like in some ways they just didn't know
what to do with Thor, you know?
Cause I mean, you had, you have Thor from Thor, one, you have dark world
door, then you have the Ragnar rock door, which everybody loves Ragnar rock
and they should, but it's like, it's like now stores pigeonholed into this
big goofball because of that one movie and it, and I, and I just don't think
that, that, um, they know how to handle that character without just relying
on what Ragnar rock did, you know?
Cause like in other words, I think there was options and, and things
that they could have done, you know?
So I didn't, I don't know.
I mean,
Leech: it also could be like, if you watched everything in timeline
order and you got to this point, you'd be like, oh yeah, I remember
when Thor was so happy and Ragnar.
Not the case in current time, present time, he's pretty damaged.
And I don't know if people want to keep going down that road.
It's like, I think there might be a new chapter of him like healing, but
we're not going to go through that.
And what if, if anything, we're going to lean on the
Jude: nonsense.
Yeah.
What I would have loved to seen out of Thor episode, I'm thinking like parks and
rec style at the new, at where the new settlement in, after the end of end game.
Yeah.
Like that would have been that I would have enjoyed new Asgard.
Yeah.
Just new Asgard, but parks and rec style, you know, city ordinances.
Putting up a slide
Trey: and we've seen this, this series already has a tendency to riff off genres.
Like, it doesn't feel like that big of a stretch to like, take that mockumentary
style and apply it to something like that.
Right.
Because
Leech: they already kind of did that in these MPS one.
They had a little bit of that.
Jude: Yeah.
Well, you know what I mean?
You mentioned you do the full thing, right?
Trey: Yeah.
So, you know, I, I mentioned bringing it back to a little
bit more on the positive side.
I think one of the things I did appreciate in this episode is the
fight between Thor and captain Marvel.
Um, we've already seen glimpses of it.
And in the zombies episode where you get to pit characters, who've
never crossed paths and who've never come in conflict before.
So seeing.
And captain Martin we'll go at, it was, I think some of the most electrifying
fight sequences we got in this season so far, and it's the way they did it
because there was this moment where they were kinda in the middle of
the nowhere and they pull the music and you just hear the crunchiness
of the blows going back and forth.
And I thought that was done really well.
And, and again, matching it to feeling like a cartoon when they
were literally like knock each other to a different country.
And you would see the names of the countries on the map.
Like that felt like Animaniacs to me.
And so I was like that, like, this is the goofiness that I see that
that's the ceiling of this episode.
Yeah,
Jude: no, I really liked that fight.
I really liked the animation of it.
Um, you know, it, it makes sense the two power sets to match them up.
Um, but yeah, like.
Man, I'm trying to stay positive even on the fight scene, but I can't cause even
watching it, my thought was like, like my thought was like, okay, so somebody sat
in a room and thought to themselves, huh?
What do we need to do to get these two to fight?
Oh, I know let's make Thor obnoxious and then they can fight.
Like, so like he's as much as I enjoyed it and like the animation
like that still like what ran through my mind as I'm watching it.
Sorry, Trey.
Trey: What'd you think of the fight leech.
Leech: I was like, who's going to stop holding back first.
And then we hear captain Marvel say I'm going to, you know, punch a hole through
the planet if I, you know, actually try.
So I can't, I can't, you know, be this, you know, I can't be myself cause I don't
want to, you know, destroy the world.
So that was just kind of cool.
Little bit to hear because I was, it was kind of just like.
Pull in their punches, Thor hasn't, you know, realized his true power yet or
whatever, but still he's pretty tanky.
And so that was just kind of fun to have that like, oh, okay.
Like, how's this gonna go?
Like loony tune style.
Like who's going to, you know, bring up the acne products and like,
how intense is this going to get?
Is this going to turn into like some dragon ball, Z stuff?
Like what is happening?
It really did.
I kind of wanted
Jude: more,
Trey: you know, it's so funny.
You bring up the whole like acne products.
That's essentially with Thor does whenever he knocks her out and
he puts mule Nair on top of it.
He's like, all right, I'm putting you in timeout.
Yeah.
You know what?
I kept
Jude: thinking.
Go ahead.
You, you, you do your thing.
Say, say your thought.
I'll say mine first.
Trey: Okay.
I honestly expected, uh, because it's, what if we don't have to
be bound to the rules of the MCU?
I kept thinking there was going to be a moment where she grabbed
the hammer as it was flying.
They kept framing it that way, where it was like, okay, we've
seen her get hit by it twice.
She's like slowly waiting for it to come back.
I thought that was the direction they were going to go for a second.
So
Jude: explain to me why she couldn't pick it up.
Leech: Thank you.
Cause he cause Odin didn't put that parameter on the hammer yet.
So she was just being, trying to be chill.
And that's why she didn't move the hammer off of her because at that
point, Odin didn't declare, you know, whoever shall be worthy can pick it
up cause he didn't have that moment
Jude: yet.
So she, he, she, so basically.
Not hurt his fragile mind is what you're saying.
It's fragile
Leech: masculinity, but I really think it was cause she's like, I I'm
just gonna, I'm just gonna shut up.
Otherwise I'm gonna punch a hole in the universe.
So also there were civilians everywhere.
I'm going to give her that too.
It seems like she was the one keeping tabs on that versus him.
Jude: Yeah.
Trey: Yeah.
That was, that was the original problem.
Right?
I mean, they partied so hard on that other star.
They ended up destroying it.
And so like, that was never a concern of his, whenever he was here on
earth, he would just wanted to have the most raging party of all time.
Jude: Yeah.
I
Leech: really was wanting her to pick up the hammer though, just to be like
she could, but it didn't make sense though, because of the context of the
hammer, I still wanted it to happen.
Trey: I felt so primed for it.
Leech: Two to two caps with hammers that have been amazing.
Trey: Well, I think there's a one more thing within this act that we got to
touch on, unless there's anything.
And it gets probably brief, but, you know, for as much of a troubled history, as
we've seen with Thor and Loki and all of the drama that surrounds that relationship
of two brothers who just at the end of the day, struggle to see eye to eye, it was
actually pretty nice to see them have like the stereotypical brother shenanigans as
they meet up after that misdirect of like, oh, they're blowing up to each other.
And then Loki is just like, Hey brother from another mother, like it was
bizarre, but I felt so happy seeing.
Just genuinely affection for other,
Leech: no way.
We would've gotten that feeling.
If it wasn't the, the right actors playing their characters,
I feel like that just made it.
So it just was perfect.
Yeah.
Jude: Well, I don't know if it's, cause we just got finished watching low-key
but hearing Huddleston's voice again, I was just like, I want more of this.
Trey: Well, you know, that was what I mentioned in the episode.
He appeared in episode three that he, his voice acting is the first voice acting
to so far outpaced the animation because he's just an incredible actor and it
translates to his voice work as well.
Uh, it felt like this episode kept pace with a little bit more, but I'm glad
you brought up the loci series because.
I personally don't know the timing of it all, but it feels like maybe they were
working on these co currently this felt like Kim getting to really liven it up
after the episodes that you got in Loki, where he did cut up from time to time.
But that was so much more of a heavy episode.
So to imagine him like giving all his performance and then like going to
do this and have fun, it's, it's a fun dynamic between those two shows.
Yeah.
Jude: Well, it makes me wonder, because I know the writer did say
with the animation, the scripts had to be written two years ahead of time.
And so, because he didn't know about nexus events and stuff, but while
that's written in that way, I'm wondering when they actually did
the voice work in relation to right.
You know, I'm I'm I I'm pardon me.
I'm thinking it was way they did the voice work before.
Hmm.
Because I feel like they would have had lived maybe a little bit and
changed and changed some of the.
Coming off a Ragnar rock, if that, if that makes sense, Loki.
Trey: Gotcha.
All right.
Unless we got any more, I think we can go ahead and move into the final act.
So this act is going to start where Jane and Darcy come up with their
plan to contact Frigga in order to help reign in Thor all the way
through the end of the episode.
Uh, so starting with me this time, uh, you know, this is one of the
things that I wanted to bring up.
Uh it's at that moment, wherever Thor is on the bridge and he's pleading with
everybody like, Hey, we gotta clean up, you know, my mother's coming as fun as
I was having leading up to this point.
I could see this is where they were trying to have some semblance of a
point of like, you know, the people who are enabling your bad behavior.
Aren't exactly the people who are going to be there to, to like help
you fix the problem that you have caused, but any semblance of a lesson.
And, and again, I'm stretching thin to get to it, but any
semblance of a lesson was gone.
The moment.
Thor rises up.
And he uses that like deep voice to say, my mother is coming and it was like, it
was so weird how funny that is, but also like fell flat at the same time for me.
And so I was, I was wondering if that moment stood out to anybody else as well.
Leech: I, I noticed that Frigga in this seemed a lot more like, what's
the word aloof, like just casual go with the flow instead of like Winky
and I know things like she usually
Trey: yeah.
And I know things is a wonderful description
Leech: and I feel like that took away a lot of like the weight of her coming.
Cause she was just like, okay, your dad's asleep.
So I'm going to go party.
You do your thing, but like also be good, but I'm really not going
to check on you or have high bill, like completely follow you.
Like let's just buy girls day, mimosas, whatever.
But that's not who I remember.
And granite things could have changed this and that, but.
I feel like the weight was taken away from that because she was just so casual.
If she was the frigate that I know, you know, she was just, that would
have been a lot more terrifying.
Jude: Well, clearly Heimdall, isn't terrified.
Leech: I think he was just fed up.
He's like this, this, this man child is running around again and I have to
do this like goal, you know, got to go get Frigga and then I got to bring
her, like, I think he was just fed up.
That's what I got from it.
Trey: I got that.
They couldn't get Idris Elba back and they didn't even want to try and
replace his voice because you can't.
Leech: There
Trey: is also that you just can't like the most we got from.
Um, and that was it.
Jude: Yeah.
But yeah, I dunno, like did that, like that moment, I guess, stuck out to me,
but again, my lens of the, of the episode was still just how much of a Wiener they
made them and just, you know, just the whole, like my mom's coming, so y'all
got to stay and I'm the biggest and toughest I'm going to force you to do so.
Um, and, and you're right.
Like there wasn't any real.
Suspense or tension or like, like, I don't know.
Frank has come in like it didn't, you know, um, I think I was disappointed
that like, again, that he didn't get caught, she did get caught.
Well, I mean, he did, but like no consequences, not, yeah.
I mean, there's not really any consequences, but it's also as
like, I would rather a frigging just showed up, you know what I mean?
Um, and there's the mess.
I
Trey: don't know.
Well, you know what?
You jogged my memory of something I wanted to say in the preschooler thoughts.
And again, it's this, this part of where like, oh, this didn't work for me.
It was written in the lens of like, oh, I liked so much more of the other
stuff, but I don't know if that has come through up until this point.
So I'll, I'll say this, this may be a little bit too pejorative, but I feel like
that's the space we're in any way, you know how there's the Muppets and you know,
that original series and it is what it is.
And it's, it's wholesome.
And one.
And then they had Muppet babies and it's just like, it takes that and makes
it even more simplified kid version.
That's what this feels for the MCU prime timeline.
This is like the Avengers, uh, babies.
Like you wouldn't see this happen in the prime timeline.
You wouldn't see Thor like trying to hurry up and clean his room before
his mother come home comes home.
But that's what the framing of this episode turns out to be.
Um, and so I thought that was interesting that that's, that's how it
ultimately decides to resolve everything
Jude: except the original welfare babies cartoon was amazing.
Trey: Well, I'm speaking more of.
Jude: It was, I remember being young and watching them and there was so much fun.
I love the star wars episode and Gonzolo, and
Trey: let me, let me clarify.
I'm not speaking to the quality of those two shows within each other.
Just the framing of like what you take and how you simplify it.
Okay.
So just, just for
Jude: the record, Muppet babies.
Okay.
They're happy meals to come with toys.
Trey: I don't know.
They do.
Jude: Don't ask me how my kids, without growing the happy meals, we
Leech: don't make knowledge fast, food exists.
So we're saved from.
Desire.
Jude: That's good.
Yeah.
That's good.
Yeah.
So I get what you're saying about that, right.
But it's like, you just compared one of my like childhood beloved
shows to an episode, I don't mind.
And I'm like, no,
Trey: uh, how can it, I was going to try and pull.
Okay.
What about Rugrats to Rugrats?
All groaned up, but that goes into the different,
Jude: yeah.
Like I, yeah, I didn't watch it.
I watched some regrets, but not as all
Leech: grown up.
That was, yeah.
That's terrible show.
I didn't need to see any of that.
Never needed to see the grown-up.
Jude: Oh yeah.
Trey: Well, if I knew we were going to be blazing through this one, but does anybody
have any more before we move on to.
Okay.
Leech: Can I just like, can we just talk about Jane for a hot minute, because why
does she not have any self-worth like at all, like, is this supposed to be
like five years previously or something?
Cause like, if they're all like way younger, this would make more
sense, like Avengers, baby style.
But like I'm assuming this all happens within the same couple of years is when
they had their own character development.
And this was just like, it's okay.
I had to call your mom on you, but like let's date, like just,
Jude: uh, I know that's where I was surprised actually had Natalie Portman.
He'd get her to agree to that script.
She was
Leech: probably already doing.
Trey: Yeah.
You know, it's so funny because when I started my notes at the beginning, all
the way back to act one, they have that moment where you see like, oh, okay,
she's still fawning over him a little bit.
And then she talks to him and she seems pretty disgusted at first.
So I thought, okay, here's what they're doing.
They're showing like how dumb it was that that relationship
happened because there really wasn't any chemistry there whatsoever.
And we saw the way that Jane Foster's character was treated
all the way through dark world.
And so I thought that this was this episode's opportunity
to sort of remedy that.
And then it does in that way.
And then it's like, yeah, that's where it starts to lose me.
And even to the point, like, I almost forgot to bring that up here in act
three, where it is that love sequence.
And then you have Ultron vision coming through the portal
with the watcher surprise.
Like that was the episode coming back down to earth for me of like, oh, okay.
This is still, what if as fun as it was.
It's back to those impulses of ending on a cliffhanger ending on things that
just aren't exactly resonating with me.
I
Leech: think the whole purpose is like Marvel studios, cast confusion, like
on everyone until that end just you you're supposed to feel disgruntled
by this until the end and then you're supposed to have that shock.
Jude: Yeah.
Well, again, for me, the best part of the episode is when Ultron showed up.
Leech: But was it because of the contrast though, like, does your, you know, your
chocolate tastes better with red wine?
Like, you know, does you know it does, you know, the salt enhance the meat?
Like, is it because of that it was so much better or was it
just that awesome standalone?
Because I think it was both.
Jude: Yeah.
I think it was both.
I mean, I think the contrast definitely.
Um, but it's like, again, the, the, what if of.
And don't get me wrong.
I, I'm not opposed to the, the tree, the, you know, the, the tree
idea of way out there, you know, and let's get away from the Canon.
I just like to see the starting point be what we're familiar with it, you know?
Um, and so, and so you have that little bit of familiar familiarity
and you go way out there.
And so that's why I was like, I think it's both you're right.
I'm like, oh, this is good.
You know?
And, and, and I'm familiar with Ultron and I'm familiar with the stones.
What would it be if the, if the Ultron had the infinity
stones, you know, and like, wow.
Okay.
Let's, let's see what that entails.
Um,
Leech: that there, the infinity stones from this year,
Trey: Based on what we know from low-key they almost have to be, cause
isn't that the point they made where the, the stones don't work unless
they're in their original universe.
I think so.
Jude: That's the way I took
Trey: that.
But again, no enchantment, no hella it's not like we're
playing strict with the rules.
We
Leech: still had the gauntlet in the beginning of the episode though.
Jude: Oh yeah.
It's a good point.
Did, but
Leech: apparently that was a dud according
Trey: to hella.
Yeah.
But no hella confirm it.
And this one,
Jude: well, you know, I know.
So the way this episode went, if it would have stayed any longer,
I'll try and might've like pulled up a margarita and those stones
are actually Christmas lights.
You know,
Leech: he's actually a transformer that he needs help fit, defeating the Decepticons.
Yeah, no, I,
Jude: I mean, I,
Leech: I just, I really hope we get something out of that.
I know all the other episodes have left off on like these major
cliffhangers and like this one was just mean if we don't get anything more.
Yeah.
I think that's just, that's just rude.
Like you've had that image of him up on the, um, on the episode that the
season, the series, um, banner on Disney plus, like that image has been there
with him standing there like that.
So yeah.
Jude: What's up.
Trey: And I think that's where my disconnect is.
W like seeing that moment is there's nothing, no evidence that we can
point to throughout this series where they pay off something, they left
a cliffhanger on the closest is the identical tentacles, but, you know, we're
almost here at the end and that's it.
So it's like, it's like coming back to the other side of what if
that I just, I don't resonate with.
Cause I don't trust it to do anything with it.
I hope I'm wrong.
I hope they prove me wrong, but that's, that's where like that
fell apart for me at the end.
Yeah.
Well,
you know what?
We're about to move into straight thoughts and I've pulled a lot of my stray thought,
so I'll, I want to start here and just say my straight thought we've been joking.
I'm ready for hot guy.
Like even like, if this is like the best of what.
And this is the feeling it's not a good season.
Yeah.
But, uh, but to do it properly leads to you having any stray thoughts,
Leech: did we see the
Trey: shield?
Hmm, I don't think so.
I don't think so.
And
Leech: I think this is the first time we didn't see it.
And it also wasn't mentioned, so it's not cannon,
Jude: but Hawkeye is cause we have Rogers the musical.
Leech: Gosh.
Yes we
Jude: do.
You know, I just, I remember.
The first time leech came and joined us in the pod and it was about fan theories
and we were three of us, so excited for what if and the possibilities and
the three of us are on this episode.
Like, like, uh, I mean,
Leech: I like, you got to accept the good with the bad when it comes to,
what if, cause like, you know, what if I throw this ball up in the air, the best
outcome is like, I catch it the worst.
Is it like stays stuck on the roof.
So apparently we just had to stay stuck on the roof episode and I have to be okay
with that because I know that there's also potential for me to catch it.
So yeah, I'm accept.
I accept it.
Accept it for what
Jude: it is a hundred percent.
Right.
Other stray thoughts, stray.
Trey: Um, I think I, I pulled a lot of them.
Oh, this one.
It's hilarious to me that Clancy brown came back to hit on the statue of
Liberty and play limbo with power lines.
Like I can't believe they got soul tour for that.
Um, what else?
We mentioned the grand master.
Everything with him was fantastic.
Uh, him being the DJ makes all the sense in the world.
And then when he says I'm keeping the scoot, scoot,
love that, uh, the rock cameo.
That was good, but I would have loved to have seen, seen him be a little
bit more integral, but I get it.
Um, what else?
Leech: Oh, how about fury?
Just kidding.
Jude: Yeah,
Trey: it was rough.
Yeah.
Conscious.
I was going to say, as rough as that is, it speaks to the awesomeness of
Nick fury that he was just unconscious from an embodiment of rocks.
I think that would have killed a lesser man
Leech: ward.
Was that even
Trey: him?
Oh yeah.
Good point.
Jude: Well let's what if we'll never know?
Sorry.
No,
Leech: go ahead.
It's like close the book.
Just close the chapter removing.
Trey: I think we closed it already kicking a dead horse.
Now
Jude: I'm just saying like, you know,
Trey: final, final, straight thought.
Uh, there's a moment where the fight between Thor and
captain Marvel winds down.
And DOR goes, you know what?
You are, you're a party pooper.
And then you just hear this.
Everyone goes silent and somebody in the background go, oh, like he was so
excited that, and that cracked me up.
Leech: Um, the wish thing got me really good.
Like I was kind of given the TV a weird look like what's going on here.
And then the whole, like with captain Marvel, incoming and Thor and Loki,
like, oh man, Make-A-Wish Make-A-Wish, Make-A-Wish like, oh man, that got me.
I just, I think it's just, low-key being there.
And, you know, we got all the people in there, the right
voices and stuff that made it
Trey: perfectly well, you know, speaking of voice, that'll
be my last stray thought.
Uh, Alexandra Daniel's nailed it as captain Marvel.
I think she may be one of the few that wasn't OG voices.
And I thought she did a fantastic job as Cole Dan.
Oh, yeah.
So that was good.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, uh, continuing the trend of the final bits of this episode,
we're going to be reading.
Hang on.
Go ahead.
Jude: I have I, before we do that, I have a one question leech.
I want to ask you, have you seen the new visions, the star wars?
No any of it?
No, not yet.
Okay.
What is this?
Oh, it came out yesterday.
There's nine episodes yesterday.
As of when we recorded, uh, nine episodes has nothing to do with cannon star wars,
cannon, and seven different anime studios.
Did each episode and they're all 14 minutes stand on their own.
The first episode is amazing.
Uh, I haven't seen the others yet, but my thought watching that first episode
is this is what, what if should have been, you know, like in, in the sense
of this, this, they intentionally upfront, none of this connects to
anything else of the star wars universe.
And it's just like, oh, here's your Ronin samurai.
It has a lightsaber.
You know what I mean?
Like it has that, that, that dressing on it.
And it's like, oh, that's R2D2, but it's not.
It's just a droid.
You know?
And, and I w having seen that first episode and why I was asking is
because I feel like I wish that.
They would have done with what if either you're going to connect it
to, uh, the, the, the main timeline really, or you're going to go and just
say, no, we're going to embrace it.
And it's going to become something completely different.
And we might have the same voice actors playing the same parts, but
other than that, forget all knowledge of the MCU, if that makes sense.
Um, and so, yeah, and that's, and, and so, so yeah, so Disney did something with star
wars better than Marvel did with Marvel.
For first,
Leech: I'm thrown all, you know, I'm really on team.
I think none of this matters except the washer.
I don't, I don't think any of this is about what we're seeing.
I think it's.
It's about the watcher.
I thought it was about the stones.
I was keeping track of that, but then we deviated.
And now, now I just think it's about the washer.
If, if anything at all, I mean, this could just be like the TVA intro
video of like, this is what could happen if we don't do our jobs.
Like this is just an extended version of that.
And it could be that, and then I'd be okay if I had that actual context.
But I think at that, I think that's been, the biggest challenge
is not knowing how to treat it.
Like those poor people that make all those beautiful timelines, um, you
know, trying to represent, you know, the whole entire timeline of the MCU.
They're probably just like sitting there with, what if like, does it go here?
Nope, it goes here.
Nope.
Okay.
Well maybe this one goes here, but that doesn't actually make sense.
Like.
I want to think that hard about it and I can't bring myself to, because
I'd take it way too seriously.
So
Jude: that was my stray thought.
So,
Trey: no, I'd rather be watching star wars.
Jude: No, not that I'd rather be watching.
I just like the, the direction they took.
Um, it is now after seeing these episodes, including the ones that
I really enjoyed, I wish that's the track they would have taken.
Leech: Yeah.
It was more, more through a, a lens of a creative type or creator in
general than just we have animated MCU.
That's scattered.
Yeah.
I get what you're saying.
And I'm totally going to watch that.
Now.
I saw, I saw an image of it.
I just didn't know what it was.
And now that I do, I do
Jude: watch
Leech: this.
Like literally I just clicked add to watch.
Trey: Oh, that's fantastic.
Well, yeah, those are our stray thoughts.
So that's going to bring us to the audience first take, which is where we've
reached out on social media, ask people what they thought about the episode.
And we're going to read through some of those here.
So starting with this one, we got this one on Instagram, from
new type dot Nova, which reads quote, I really enjoyed this one.
It was fun.
And gave me those eighties, got to get everything cleaned
up before my parents get home.
Movie music, montage vibes.
That ending though, that was his first response.
He also went ahead and left another comment on our stories,
which says it was a lot of fun.
I also think we got a glimpse at the series big, bad.
And so, yeah, I think, uh, I think he was joining in on some,
as you say, I hope you're right.
Yeah.
It'd be interesting if they finally pulled through something.
That Mo like with that much momentum into something moving forward.
So yeah.
Here's hoping he's right, for sure.
Jude: Absolutely.
Uh, to see I'll try like that again.
Uh, the second one, uh, loved it, friend, Daniel, it looks
Leech: like this one.
We have love every minute of it.
Perfectly silly, so much fun.
I want to party with Thor from TK on
Trey: Insta.
Yeah, I think it's, it's, I've been aligned with what TK has been
putting in from, there was an idea on these reactions, uh, Perfectly
silly, I think might be the best way to describe it for sure.
Jude: Because there's the, the, the group texts, the three of us have,
and she's like, I loved it so much and you're like, I love it so much.
And I'm just like, I'm just not going to respond.
I felt so bad.
I'm the party
Trey: pooper.
It was so funny because she texted and I knew you were watching it.
So I was like waiting for you to finish, because I know we generally
have like, tried not to say what we thought too much before we record.
And then once I knew you weren't enjoying it, I was like, I'm definitely
not going to color this palette.
So I went ahead and responded to,
oh, real well, we got one more of the audience first take to read.
Uh, and I think despite the range of opinions we've had here, this might be.
More akin to, to the appropriate response.
This one comes in from Mr.
Melt gaming on Twitter, and it says, I'm so confused.
I loved it, but it was also so off the wall and I got caught off guard.
So I think it was great.
Yeah, it was fun.
And Darcy, marrying Howard was hilarious if you gave that to me going
into the beginning of this season, I just, I wouldn't know where to begin,
but I think his confusion throughout the entirety of that review is the.
Summation for what, what is giving us?
Leech: I think it just comes down to like, are we just taking this,
this whole thing way too seriously?
But then you go back to like the last two episodes.
It's like, no, they did it first.
They started
Jude: it.
They started it.
Trey: Uh, yeah.
It's totally weird.
It's so weird.
Jude: Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, and you get the mixed messages.
Like you hear people, you know that, oh, this is cannon.
Okay.
Um, there's the excitement of captain Carter.
Um, you know, and even as it's promoted, it's like, we're going
to have an episode for each movie.
Um, and so,
Trey: yeah, it wasn't never confirmed though.
Or was that just something we, we heard along the way?
Jude: I believe I heard it from the super fan.
I could be wrong.
That was awhile ago.
So, but yeah, I believe I heard it from the superfan and to get plans change.
That was so far out, you know, at one time we were going to get an Inhumans movie.
Trey: Yeah.
Well, this has definitely been an interesting episode about.
The constant throughout it is the delightfulness that
is you joining us lead.
So I want to say thank you so much for joining us on this episode.
Thanks for having me.
Yes.
Thank you.
And of course, if you want to keep up with what Leach's up to these days,
you can always follow them on Twitter at , which will definitely be linked
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So we're, if you want to see the quotes that we end up pulling
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Yeah.
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Um, when you see everything, all the topics available to talk about, uh, when
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Uh, also we'd appreciate it.
If you give us a rating and review, uh, the feedback is super helpful
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Trey: with a friend.
Yeah.
We'd also like to thank Nick Sandy for the use of our theme song, which is
his rendition of the vendor's theme.
Find more of his work on a SoundCloud, which is linked in the show notes as well.
All right, that's going to do it.
Thanks so much for listening.
Legion, Jude.
Thank you so much for doing this.
Thank you
Jude: tray.
Thank you.
Trey: Thank you both.
We'll see you all next week.
Boom.
That's an episode.
Nice.
Leech: Oh my God.
The Mario memes.
Sorry.
I just checked Reddit.
Trey: It's dank.
Did you hear about that, Jude?
Jude: No.
Can, can I
Leech: do it?
Can I tell him please?
Okay.
So there is an intended direct today.
I'm assuming you're familiar with that.
Okay.
Um, so there is also an announcement that there's going to be a new
movie coming out next year.
It's going to be a Mario movie and the cast is going to be, Mario is
going to be played by Chris Pratt.
We have Luigi who will be played by Charlie day.
We have Bowzer.
We played by Jack Black, along with toad, played by Keegan
Michael Key, but let's not forget.
Donkey Kong played by Seth Rogan.
Jude: Oh my gosh.
Directed by James Gunn, right?
It was an R rating.
Trey: Oh, you forgot.
Um, is it in a Taylor joy will be peaked.
That's right.
We'll be
Leech: pH that one, like made sense to me.
So it wasn't as like inflammatory or whatever, like just like,
yeah, she probably kill that.
That could be great, but
Jude: oh, how I feel about,
Trey: I tweeted out that if Chris Pratt gets to voice Mario, it's only fair that I
get to make all the sound effects for the warp pipes throughout the entire movie.
Like that makes just as much sense to me as Chris Pratt.
Jude: And amalgamated.
Okay.
In my head, I'm like picturing them live action.
Now it's,
Trey: I've actually let him believe, you know what?
My,
Jude: my I'm picturing like Jack Black and like some weird cost,
Leech: all he would have on is a Bowzer backpack.
That's it he'd be like in like swim trunks and like a wet t-shirt and
like a Bowzer backpack from hot topic
Trey: that you, you know, what.
If it doesn't have it in the movie, 100% will happen in his Tik TOK.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
You know what?
My actual theory of what this movie will be take Jumanji, where you get these
actors who play like the real world.
People are played by different people, but they play the character avatars.
So like the rock is in the video game.
I'm thinking it's kind of the reverse where they're all playing
Mario party and the pit characters they pick, or the characters they
ended up voicing in the animation.
Like that's the only thing that makes sense to me.
Leech: It would be amazing.
Could I see that as like a friend group situation?
Let me see.
I'm like,
Trey: so Nintendo hire me to save your movie.
Thank
Leech: you.
Um, I could see that format and it's just because it's worked before and I hate
that it does work, but it totally works.
Trey: Even,
Leech: even the Lego movie format where it's that, but like, Like you
don't realize it's actual people
Trey: until the end.
See, that's what I thought.
Like I thought, like my skepticism for this movie was like, okay, you were
pretty skeptical about the Lego movie and look how great that turned out.
Then I saw this, it's not inspired by the Lego movie.
They went and got the main voice actor from the Lego movie.
So it's like, they're doing the like, Hey, copy my homework, but
make sure you change your thing.
So it's not exactly the same.
Jude: Copy my homework.
Trey: Yeah.
Oh, get this guest.
Who's animating a Jude, same studio that does the minions.
Oh man.
I would love that this is what ends up being the Intacct and it's longer
than anything we talked about.
Jude: Oh my gosh.
Trey: All right.
Let gonna go ahead and hit, stop recording.