Gary Hill: I'm leaving.
Gary Hill: I told you never to barge in here.
Gary Hill: And I'm taking your partner with me.
Suzanne: What?
Gary Hill: You are crazy.
Gary Hill: Come along, Alex.
Gary Hill: I'm taking command.
Gary Hill: You're inadequate, Major.
Gary Hill: In every area.
Gary Hill: Captain, for the last time.
Gary Hill: Doesn't it disgust you to be used by him?
Gary Hill: To be touched by an old man?
Gary Hill: Can't you feel the decay?
Suzanne: Keep them till the end
Suzanne: Where the woman or man
Suzanne: It makes you feel so good
Gary Hill: So good!
Gary Hill: Hello folks, welcome to the Sunbeef Podcast. I am one of your hosts, Gary Hill, and with me tonight is Suzanne. How are ya?
Suzanne: Tired of winter. How are you doing?
Gary Hill: We had some elements this morning, didn't we?
Suzanne: It was just, we got, like, sleet, but it was too cold. It wasn't cold enough for it to, and that's my dog, to freeze, but it was just sloppy. It was sloppy.
Gary Hill: In case you guys aren't in the States, we got snow over 39 of our Ds in the United States today.
Gary Hill: And that's kind of like astronomical.
Suzanne: Yeah.
Gary Hill: Climate change is real, people.
Suzanne: Yeah, I keep wondering where's that global warming they keep talking about because I sure as hell have not had any.
Gary Hill: It's coming.
Gary Hill: Spring is coming, so they say.
Gary Hill: The little rat that lives in, what is it, Puxatani Phil, that's his name?
Suzanne: Yep.
Gary Hill: Didn't see his shadow, so supposedly, if you believe in that sort of thing, yeah, less winter.
Suzanne: I don't believe it.
Gary Hill: Oh.
Gary Hill: But yeah, we'll start the show the same way we start shows, and I'll ask Suzanne, what's
Gary Hill: you been watching lately?
Suzanne: I've been pretty boring lately.
Suzanne: I have not watched very much.
Suzanne: I pretty much have enough time to catch up on dumb TV.
Suzanne: Oh, new season of Forged in Fire, which is pretty excellent.
Gary Hill: Yes, indeed.
Gary Hill: Always is.
Suzanne: And, oh, geez, what else?
Suzanne: I got sucked into this absolutely atrocious show on ABC called A Million Little Things.
Suzanne: I like This Is Us.
Suzanne: I haven't watched much of it this season.
Suzanne: But I'm like, okay, how much are they going to actually try to steal from that?
Suzanne: And, oh, they took it one step beyond.
Suzanne: Oh, my God, there's not a normal fucking person there.
Gary Hill: Yeah.
Suzanne: We were talking, oh, my God, the group of friends, this dude kills himself.
Suzanne: And his wife is banging one of his friends.
Suzanne: His one friend had male breast cancer who fell in love with someone who has breast cancer, said there's the whole cancer thing going on.
Suzanne: And now the dude who killed himself, his wife is pregnant with his friend's kid.
Suzanne: Everyone thinks it's his kid.
Suzanne: And, oh, my God, we've got, it's got everything.
Suzanne: And it just, it doesn't let up.
Suzanne: We've had, like, sexual abuse.
Suzanne: There's someone in the group of friends.
Suzanne: Her uncle molested her.
Suzanne: And she's always had this big rip with her mom.
Suzanne: And one dude's on antidepressants.
Suzanne: And I'm not kidding.
Suzanne: And it keeps going.
Gary Hill: it's like how much meant it almost
Gary Hill: could you roll into one television show
Gary Hill: I just don't know
Gary Hill: let's roll it in
Suzanne: everything
Suzanne: oh god and yeah the dude who killed himself
Suzanne: and his wife who's
Suzanne: pregnant with other dudes kid
Suzanne: they have a gay son
Gary Hill: of course why not you know
Gary Hill: is he dead like in Heather's you know
Gary Hill: I love a dead gay son
Gary Hill: that's not right
Gary Hill: oh my god
Gary Hill: the misogyny of that movie.
Gary Hill: Let's save that for another time.
Suzanne: I've really not been watching a lot.
Gary Hill: Yeah, I can't say I have either.
Gary Hill: I've been watching bits and pieces of stuff here and there.
Gary Hill: I re-watched Creed 2 yesterday.
Gary Hill: That's still amazing.
Gary Hill: That should be coming soon to your airwaves, I guess.
Gary Hill: I re-watched Halloween 3
Gary Hill: because I splurged on that Steelbook Blu-ray.
Gary Hill: I splurged on like four Steelbooks that week.
Gary Hill: And I regret nothing because these are like the new 4K Masters that Scream Factory fucked the people didn't buy and shit again.
Gary Hill: But I didn't own them to begin with, so I didn't feel too bad about that.
Suzanne: So, yeah, I got some decent Kino Lorber swag.
Gary Hill: Nice.
Gary Hill: What did you get from that sale?
Gary Hill: See what I forgot.
Gary Hill: You didn't tell me.
Suzanne: Oh, God, I got The Long Riders.
Gary Hill: Nice.
Suzanne: Hidden Agenda.
Suzanne: Really great movie.
Suzanne: EPG, zero population growth, because you know me and how much I love Oliver Reed.
Gary Hill: Yep.
Suzanne: The reincarnation of Peter Proud.
Suzanne: Once again, another Oliver Reed joint.
Gary Hill: Is he shirtless in any of these movies?
Gary Hill: That's all I want to know.
Gary Hill: Women go nuts for a shirtless Ollie Reed, let me tell you.
Suzanne: I finally got an English track for Black Sabbath.
Suzanne: I picked that one up.
Gary Hill: Nice.
Suzanne: Yeah, I swear I'm missing.
Suzanne: Oh, I got The Martian Chronicles and Judgment at Nuremberg.
Gary Hill: Great.
Gary Hill: You really did buy some stuff from that sale, didn't you?
Suzanne: Yeah, I got it.
Suzanne: Seven?
Gary Hill: I was looking at that Long Riders Blu-ray, too.
Gary Hill: I really wanted that, and I didn't have the Dunkins for it at the time.
Suzanne: Oh, why didn't you tell me?
Suzanne: I would have picked it up for you.
Gary Hill: That's okay.
Gary Hill: One of those flash sales.
Gary Hill: I don't know.
Gary Hill: It'll be honest.
Gary Hill: Kino, that's one of the great things about Kino is they're just like Barnes & Noble with the Criterion sales.
Gary Hill: They do it like six times a year or something.
Gary Hill: They have a major sale.
Suzanne: And honestly, even though I bought a lot of stuff on the Criterion sales, you're not saving that much money on the Criterion sales.
Suzanne: I don't care what they tell you.
Suzanne: You're not.
Gary Hill: Kino's got stuff for like eight bucks.
Gary Hill: So that's a bargain all day long.
Suzanne: They have like $32 regular price Blu-rays for $12.99 and $9.99.
Gary Hill: That's a good deal.
Gary Hill: Oh, my gosh.
Suzanne: The Long Riders was the $12.99 disc I bought.
Suzanne: I think that one's like a $32.99 disc.
Gary Hill: It's like an uber special edition on that mother.
Gary Hill: I'm looking forward to diving into that when I get it.
Suzanne: Oh, yeah.
Suzanne: Got to find some time to watch all of the movies.
Suzanne: I guess I've been stockpiling for a while,
Suzanne: and I've had no time whatsoever to watch anything.
Gary Hill: What else?
Gary Hill: I'm so glad I did it.
Gary Hill: I started some of the DC Universe app-only shows.
Gary Hill: I watched the first two episodes of Titans,
Gary Hill: which is, you know, like Teen Titans,
Gary Hill: but they're all grown up now.
Gary Hill: And, you know, that's really dark and really, really, really great.
Gary Hill: And I'm really glad they're making this stuff oriented towards adults and not so much the teeny bopper crowd that they tend to dive into sometimes.
Gary Hill: And the one that I watched today is the one that just premiered.
Gary Hill: Doom Patrol is excellent.
Gary Hill: And it's funny and tragic.
Gary Hill: And Brendan Fraser shows up.
Gary Hill: You ain't seen him in forever.
Gary Hill: And he tragically is turned into a robot man.
Gary Hill: But he shows so much emotion in the show.
Gary Hill: And it's kind of great.
Gary Hill: Timothy Dalton's on there.
Gary Hill: Ellen Tudyk is on there.
Suzanne: What?
Gary Hill: Yeah, it's really good, Sue.
Gary Hill: I gotta say, I really enjoyed it.
Gary Hill: And they're doing it right.
Gary Hill: They're only releasing an episode a week.
Gary Hill: So it's not like you could splurge on it right away.
Gary Hill: And I like that.
Gary Hill: And I really love this show.
Gary Hill: I don't want to give too much away.
Gary Hill: it's really funny and delightful and i hope you guys check it out this uh this dc universe content
Gary Hill: is really not disappointing so far so kudos to dc for making a service and making folks pay for it
Gary Hill: and i may be one of those believers real soon because i won't say where i watched it from but
Gary Hill: it wasn't from dc universe but it's it's a it's a recommend they have my endorsement uh what else
Gary Hill: I watched A Star is Born, but I don't want the new one with B. Coops and Gaga in it.
Gary Hill: I don't want to bring up too much about it because I want to do it on the show and get a woman's perspective on what I experienced in this movie.
Gary Hill: So we'll probably pair that with Crazy Heart because they're almost the same.
Gary Hill: not almost the same movie, but the same idea of a movie about somebody who's dealing with addiction
Gary Hill: and love and, you know, regret or whatnot.
Gary Hill: And the only real bad thing I'll say about it is Lady Gaga.
Gary Hill: Lady Gaga is a great singer, but she's kind of a non-actress.
Gary Hill: It really shows in this movie where she's supposed to be the lead of this movie.
Gary Hill: And there's parts where you're just like, I could do without this.
Gary Hill: But there's other parts where it shows a lot of emotion.
Gary Hill: so it's really a 40-60 thing in that movie
Gary Hill: where 40% of the time she's really good
Gary Hill: but 60% of the time she's not so good.
Gary Hill: But I'll leave that there
Gary Hill: and I'll say watch all these things for yourself
Gary Hill: because there's a lot that I haven't gotten to yet.
Gary Hill: We'll get to our next segment.
Gary Hill: I have beefage for this one
Gary Hill: because I got some stuff to talk about
Gary Hill: in this segment
Gary Hill: called Beef Bitches and Mashed Potatoes.
Gary Hill: Okay, who gets the burly beef?
Gary Hill: I ordered the barbecue beef.
Gary Hill: I think that's mine, but I didn't order fries.
Suzanne: Mine's the Jilly Deluxe.
Gary Hill: Okay, who gets the burly beef?
Gary Hill: I heard that.
Gary Hill: Sue, first up,
Gary Hill: What's bugging you, Sue?
Suzanne: Honestly, it's this fucking weather.
Gary Hill: Yeah.
Suzanne: And the people that can't drive in it.
Gary Hill: Mm-hmm.
Suzanne: Oh, my God.
Suzanne: Okay, if you don't know how to drive on snow and ice,
Suzanne: please stay home.
Suzanne: Please don't whip around a corner and then freak out
Suzanne: because you just wiped out.
Suzanne: Don't slam your brakes on because you're going to fishtail
Suzanne: and go sideways and come within an inch of hitting me.
Gary Hill: Yeah.
Suzanne: Just, you know, basically don't drive like an asshole.
Suzanne: I'm just, and I'm tired of the cold.
Suzanne: I'm tired of this weather.
Suzanne: I am tired of seeing nothing but white.
Suzanne: I need some green and I need sun.
Gary Hill: I see a lot of patches of my lawn today, which means it's melting, babe.
Suzanne: Oh, I know it's melting, but not fast enough.
Gary Hill: Even the stuff that came down today.
Gary Hill: Oh, my gosh.
Gary Hill: Anything else besides the coldness?
Suzanne: I'm just so damn tired of it.
Suzanne: I can't stand if we get any more snow.
Suzanne: The screaming will be legendary.
Gary Hill: Yeah.
Gary Hill: But my beef isn't the weather.
Gary Hill: My beef is assholes who think they're entitled and got caught for it.
Gary Hill: In case you've been living under a rock, you don't follow any entertainment news at all,
Gary Hill: this actor who I give two fucks about from Empire,
Gary Hill: this Jesse Smollett character,
Gary Hill: supposedly, this is a big supposedly,
Gary Hill: because they're saying that this is all set up,
Gary Hill: got attacked by two people in Make America Great Again hats,
Gary Hill: was put a noose and put a rope around his neck,
Gary Hill: and poured bleach on his face,
Gary Hill: calling him faggot and all kinds of bad stuff.
Gary Hill: I don't endorse any of this.
Gary Hill: But what I don't endorse more is,
Gary Hill: if it's true what they're saying,
Gary Hill: which they're saying that he hired two extras that worked on the set.
Gary Hill: They were known to work for him.
Gary Hill: And it worked for Empire.
Gary Hill: That he hired these two Nigerian fellows
Gary Hill: who have nothing but aspirations to be in show business
Gary Hill: to do this to him and perpetrate all this
Gary Hill: and make this...
Gary Hill: How do you falsify a hate crime?
Gary Hill: And the way they're talking,
Gary Hill: and this is not proven yet,
Gary Hill: so don't step on my fucking face here, people,
Gary Hill: that he set all this up, I'm guessing,
Gary Hill: for publicity to say,
Gary Hill: because I hear that he's,
Gary Hill: they're writing him out of the show
Gary Hill: and his character was going to go away.
Gary Hill: But now from what I hear
Gary Hill: from all this new controversy,
Gary Hill: controversy, controversy, controversy,
Gary Hill: controversy is that,
Gary Hill: like fucking Sean Connery there for a second,
Gary Hill: is that they're cutting scenes
Gary Hill: that he's in out of the show now.
Gary Hill: So they must really think that he's guilty
Gary Hill: and that he's really full of shit
Gary Hill: because all this evidence has popped up too.
Gary Hill: And I just can't endorse assholes like this who think, just because they don't like, you know, the deal they're in,
Gary Hill: or they don't like the current climate of the situation, let's go make some shit up and try to put a spin on it,
Gary Hill: because you don't like number 45, as he called him.
Gary Hill: I don't like him either, people.
Gary Hill: But I'm not going to go perpetrate a hate crime against myself and say, this is how it happened.
Gary Hill: It's so devastating.
Gary Hill: I'm going to go on television, tell everybody all about it, and you find out you're just a fucking asshole.
Gary Hill: who's making shit up.
Gary Hill: And I can't get behind this.
Gary Hill: What do you think, Sue?
Suzanne: It keeps popping up on my newsfeed,
Suzanne: but honestly, I don't know who he is,
Suzanne: so I haven't read anything.
Gary Hill: If it wasn't so outrageous,
Gary Hill: I wouldn't be reading about it either, Suzanne,
Gary Hill: but it's just outrageous.
Gary Hill: It's crazy.
Suzanne: I am disgusted by his behavior.
Suzanne: If you really want...
Suzanne: How about some good publicity?
Suzanne: How about doing some public service?
Suzanne: Isn't that good publicity?
Suzanne: No, you just want to make yourself look like a martyr.
Suzanne: And that's dumb.
Suzanne: And especially in the time we're in right now, and it's not a good time.
Suzanne: This is not the way to go about trying to get your point across.
Suzanne: Or try to make a spectacle of yourself because your ass is getting written off the show.
Suzanne: You know what?
Suzanne: Go find another part.
Suzanne: Don't be a dick.
Gary Hill: People have to work hard to get up to where he's at.
Gary Hill: From what I hear, the lead on the show, Terrence Howard, is not the best guy to work with either.
Gary Hill: I hear he's been trying to fire him for years as it is because he's just so difficult to work with.
Gary Hill: If you go out there and you're a young actor and you work hard, odds are it may take like a decade to get there.
Gary Hill: Something's going to come up and make you big.
Gary Hill: I mean, there was a long time where, and I still hear that they hang out quite a bit together because of this,
Gary Hill: that Roger Corman would be the only person that would hire Jack Nicholson for like a decade.
Gary Hill: And people would consider those low-grade films.
Gary Hill: But look where he is now.
Gary Hill: He's a fucking legend, you know, so.
Suzanne: Yeah.
Gary Hill: Because he paid his dues.
Gary Hill: He didn't just fucking make some shit up like this guy.
Gary Hill: It just angers me.
Gary Hill: It angers me so much, you know.
Suzanne: I just think it's the most horrible possible way to go about trying to make, get some publicity.
Suzanne: Like I said, do a public service, get the right kind of publicity.
Suzanne: Don't be an asshole.
Gary Hill: I mean, these are hateful things that still actually happen to actual people.
Gary Hill: I mean, he's a real person, obviously, but hate crimes do happen.
Gary Hill: And it's an ugly part of society, ugly part of our world, all over the world.
Gary Hill: but to fake that
Gary Hill: is like a detriment to your people
Gary Hill: and I think that's
Gary Hill: that makes you real ugly
Gary Hill: it makes you worse than the supposed Nazis
Gary Hill: and you know it's ugly
Gary Hill: it's just ugly I don't care for it
Gary Hill: and politics
Gary Hill: something else I don't care for
Gary Hill: is something that came out in the news today
Gary Hill: about Jason Reitman
Gary Hill: Ivan Reitman's son doing the Ghostbusters
Gary Hill: what he calls
Gary Hill: the real Ghostbusters sequel
Gary Hill: or something really stupid
Gary Hill: said it just sounded really insulting to the fans basically writing off that last ghostbusters film
Gary Hill: and saying that this one's going to be closer to the i forget the closer to the heart or something
Gary Hill: he says this one and my thoughts on that is they tried after ghostbusters 2 to make another ghost
Gary Hill: busters sequel happen and nobody fucking wanted to do it they tried for like a decade at least a
Gary Hill: decade to get that happening.
Gary Hill: Nobody wanted to do it. Nobody wanted to
Gary Hill: do it. The best they can do
Gary Hill: in that new one is to have Dan Aykroyd
Gary Hill: show up in a really shitty cameo
Gary Hill: and have Ernie Hudson show up in a better cameo
Gary Hill: and it's just
Gary Hill: and to call that movie stupid, which
Gary Hill: it really is, but I
Gary Hill: have the gumption
Gary Hill: to say if you cut Kristen Wiig and
Gary Hill: Melissa McCarthy out of that film, it's
Gary Hill: a lot better. It's a much better movie
Gary Hill: than anybody gives it credit for.
Gary Hill: But to discount, because maybe
Gary Hill: you got some real diehard Ghostbusters fans out there that happened to like
Gary Hill: parts of the film,
Gary Hill: but didn't like much of the film.
Gary Hill: Don't stand there and insult the fans by saying,
Gary Hill: you know what,
Gary Hill: this is a shit film.
Gary Hill: Now let me tell you what we're going to do next.
Gary Hill: We're going to put a bunch of old men in proton packs and put them on the
Gary Hill: screen.
Gary Hill: And they'll be funny,
Gary Hill: but you'll probably be bored through most of it.
Gary Hill: I'm just throwing it out there.
Gary Hill: People,
Gary Hill: you put,
Gary Hill: you put some proton packs on some old men.
Gary Hill: It's going to be really bad.
Gary Hill: Especially a doughy,
Gary Hill: Dan Aykroyd,
Gary Hill: and an old recluse like Bill Murray.
Gary Hill: The only one's in shape is Ernie Hudson.
Gary Hill: He's a mountain of a man.
Gary Hill: And he could probably still hack him.
Gary Hill: But that's the character they've minimalized most in the whole series, people.
Gary Hill: They give nothing to do in that first movie.
Gary Hill: But you know what?
Gary Hill: I'm fine.
Gary Hill: I'm not over it.
Gary Hill: I'm going to see it like everybody else is going to see it.
Gary Hill: I just don't appreciate this guy who...
Gary Hill: Hey, he made Juno, people.
Gary Hill: say, you know what, we're just going to stand here and sort of insult the fans.
Gary Hill: I don't even care if it's a minor thing.
Gary Hill: Sometimes the minor things can turn out to be real big,
Gary Hill: especially with the age of social media and assholes like me reading articles about this
Gary Hill: and just making themselves upset probably over nothing
Gary Hill: because it's going to be highly successful.
Gary Hill: And I know it's going to be because, you know,
Gary Hill: they get the way they're talking about bringing most everybody back for this.
Gary Hill: people are going to run to go see it
Gary Hill: people are going to bring their kids to go see
Gary Hill: they'll probably do like revival
Gary Hill: screenings of the first two and they'll bring their kids
Gary Hill: to the movies to go see those
Gary Hill: and it's going to be huge
Gary Hill: but I just don't appreciate that
Gary Hill: shit right there
Gary Hill: what about you Sue?
Suzanne: you know I love the first Ghostbusters
Suzanne: I tolerated the second one
Suzanne: I made it 20 minutes into the new
Suzanne: one and I turned it off
Gary Hill: well that's to each their own you know
Suzanne: you know I tried
Gary Hill: because well you know me and remakes
Gary Hill: it's not really a remake really
Gary Hill: I don't know it's just
Gary Hill: oh I know it's and I also
Suzanne: I've never been a fan of the whole gender bending
Gary Hill: thing well they're doing that now
Gary Hill: with Lost Boys television series
Suzanne: oh god no
Gary Hill: the Frog Brothers are going to be Frog Sisters
Gary Hill: and whatever that you know
Gary Hill: we'll see how it turns out
Suzanne: yeah and Pat watched Oceans
Suzanne: whatever the one is with
Suzanne: the mostly female cast
Gary Hill: I did rewatch that and I'll say
Gary Hill: that it's still a turd sandwich,
Gary Hill: but I liked it a little better this time around.
Suzanne: Yeah, I pretty much came out,
Suzanne: I did some stuff in the kitchen,
Suzanne: I was listening to it,
Suzanne: I'm like, oh my God,
Suzanne: I can't even be in the same room as the television.
Gary Hill: It's Anne Hathaway, she's just awful.
Suzanne: I didn't even know she was in it,
Suzanne: the only person I saw,
Suzanne: I think Cate Blanchett and Sandra Bullock.
Gary Hill: She's real good,
Gary Hill: and Sarah Paulson's real good.
Gary Hill: That's my takeaway from The Motions 8,
Gary Hill: is that Sarah Paulson was real good and Cate Blanchett were real good.
Gary Hill: So if you listen to Lee Russell, and I know you probably are,
Gary Hill: you're wondering why I didn't like that movie,
Gary Hill: those are the two reasons to watch, in my opinion, okay?
Gary Hill: Those two people.
Gary Hill: Yeah, I just, I don't know.
Gary Hill: I just can't do it.
Gary Hill: Yeah.
Suzanne: But never, ever insult your fans.
Suzanne: That's just, that's asking for trouble.
Gary Hill: He didn't build that world.
Gary Hill: His father built that world.
Gary Hill: And, yeah, he's just, I can't get over this.
Gary Hill: It's just one of those.
Gary Hill: What's a gun?
Suzanne: Don't be a dick.
Suzanne: I think that's the takeaway from all of our bitches, too.
Suzanne: Don't be a dick.
Suzanne: Don't be a dick when you're driving.
Suzanne: Don't be a dick when you're talking about movies.
Gary Hill: That would be the same thing as Max Landis saying,
Gary Hill: you know what?
Gary Hill: That American Werewolf and Paris movie is really terrible.
Gary Hill: It's like, yes, but we know this.
Gary Hill: You don't got to tell us.
Suzanne: Yeah, we know.
Gary Hill: Don't kick the man when he's down, you know?
Suzanne: You know, we pretty much just pretend it's not there.
Suzanne: That's what I do with it.
Gary Hill: Well, I've watched it.
Gary Hill: It's on Prime.
Gary Hill: I've watched it, tried to watch it while I tried to watch it.
Gary Hill: And then I fell asleep about 45 minutes in.
Gary Hill: Because it's just not great.
Suzanne: I ran a group of my friends to the theater to see it when it came out.
Gary Hill: Yeah.
Suzanne: And there were people that were shushing me.
Suzanne: Okay, my friends were shushing me.
Gary Hill: There's that takeaway.
Gary Hill: You can take away if there's a really good Bush song in it.
Gary Hill: And that's all you can take away from that movie.
Gary Hill: I really like that Bush song from that movie.
Gary Hill: That's here and or there.
Suzanne: I completely forgot that there was a Bush song in the movie.
Gary Hill: People forgot about Bush, man.
Gary Hill: Not in a nasty way, but people just think of Gavin Rosdale as Gwen Stefani's husband now and nothing else.
Suzanne: They got so overplayed.
Suzanne: I liked them when they first came out because I'm old.
Suzanne: Yeah, they got so overplayed that every time I hear everything Zen, I just want to throw something at the radio.
Gary Hill: I could still churn on that first Bush album, though, and really enjoy it.
Gary Hill: I could still do it, you know.
Suzanne: It's a good album, but it just got so overplayed.
Gary Hill: Well, it's like when I was listening to the Oasis album, What's the Story of Morning Glory.
Gary Hill: This is all tangents, guys, and I don't apologize.
Gary Hill: I thought when Wonderwall was going to hit the list next,
Gary Hill: I was going to turn it off.
Gary Hill: I was like, no, I haven't heard this song in like five years.
Gary Hill: Let's just let it play.
Gary Hill: It's one of those things where you say, let's just let it play.
Suzanne: Yeah, I have that problem with Wonderwall.
Suzanne: Oh, wow.
Suzanne: This song is so annoying.
Gary Hill: Play it again.
Suzanne: Play it again.
Gary Hill: Play that shit again.
Gary Hill: But tonight, with apologies to Ricky Morgan,
Gary Hill: he was supposed to be here,
Gary Hill: but everybody's sick people.
Gary Hill: Ricky got the flu from people from work, he says,
Gary Hill: and I believe that because people are filthy animals when they want to be,
Gary Hill: not covering their mouth.
Gary Hill: I'm one of the biggest advocates of covering my nose and mouth when I cough or sneeze.
Gary Hill: And you can't always expect people to do that
Gary Hill: because they're fucking filthy germ mongers,
Gary Hill: hence why Ricky isn't here tonight.
Suzanne: Sorry, Ricky. Get better soon.
Gary Hill: Yes, indeed.
Gary Hill: Talk about two films, one of which is a Buena Vista picture.
Gary Hill: It's a Walt Disney production.
Gary Hill: The Black Hole from 1979.
Gary Hill: And then we're going to do Saturn 3 from, I think, the year after.
Gary Hill: Or right around there.
Gary Hill: Which is a total different feel.
Gary Hill: Well, it's the same but different than The Black Hole.
Gary Hill: We're going to get into that real soon, let me tell you.
Gary Hill: We'll start with The Black Hole from 1979 right after this.
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The Black Hole Trailer: There is an inexorable force in the cosmos where time and space converge.
The Black Hole Trailer: A place beyond man's vision, but not his reach.
The Black Hole Trailer: It is the most mysterious and awesome point in the universe.
The Black Hole Trailer: Whether here and now, maybe forever.
The Black Hole Trailer: And my ship, you ask.
The Black Hole Trailer: It is unavoidable.
The Black Hole Trailer: Moving through space.
The Black Hole Trailer: Swallowing everything in its path.
The Black Hole Trailer: Radio waves, light.
The Black Hole Trailer: Are you programmed to speak?
The Black Hole Trailer: Even planets and stars.
The Black Hole Trailer: The ship.
The Black Hole Trailer: Go, go.
The Black Hole Trailer: Fire thrusters.
The Black Hole Trailer: That madman is headed straight for the black hole.
The Black Hole Trailer: What'll we do?
The Black Hole Trailer: We wait.
The Black Hole Trailer: We got you.
The Black Hole Trailer: All right.
The Black Hole Trailer: We got you.
The Black Hole Trailer: Hurry.
The Black Hole Trailer: It's all right.
The Black Hole Trailer: It's okay.
The Black Hole Trailer: Now.
The Black Hole Trailer: Gravity's at maximum, Dan.
The Black Hole Trailer: My God, I think it's got us.
The Black Hole Trailer: Man is about to enter.
The Black Hole Trailer: We've got a break here, too.
The Black Hole Trailer: The black hole.
The Black Hole Trailer: A journey that begins where everything ends.
Gary Hill: The Black Hole from 1979.
Gary Hill: This is a Disney picture, as I mentioned before.
Gary Hill: Your cheapo plot synopsis is this.
Gary Hill: A research vessel.
Gary Hill: Vessel, vessel, vessel, vessel.
Gary Hill: I'm talking like Chekhov now, see?
Gary Hill: Finds a missing ship commanded by a mysterious scientist on the edge of a black hole.
Gary Hill: This stars Maximilian Schell, Anthony Perkins, Robert Forster.
Gary Hill: I'm not used to looking at when he's young.
Gary Hill: It's very strange to me.
Gary Hill: Joseph Bottoms.
Gary Hill: Yvette Mimou, I get to say that again, see?
Gary Hill: And Ernest Borgnine.
Gary Hill: A pistachio Ernest Borgnine.
Gary Hill: And it features voices of the robots.
Suzanne: Roddy McDowell.
Gary Hill: Roddy McDowell.
Gary Hill: And the other robot, the one with Bashed Up robot,
Gary Hill: named Bob, is Slim Pickens, who is uncredited.
Gary Hill: And that's important to say.
Suzanne: Neither him nor Roddy McDowell were credited in the movie.
Gary Hill: Yeah, that's kind of booty on their part.
Gary Hill: Oh, my gosh.
Gary Hill: But let's kick it to Sue, and I'll ask her what she thinks of the black hole.
Suzanne: Okay, I vaguely remember watching this when I was, like, in seventh grade or something,
Suzanne: and this is how much it meant for me then.
Suzanne: It was like watching it all over again for the first time,
Suzanne: because I remembered absolutely nothing.
Suzanne: And I also remember hearing, reading that Neil deGrasse Tyson hates the black hole because it's so completely scientifically inaccurate and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Suzanne: You know what?
Suzanne: I get it.
Suzanne: Yeah, it's not scientifically accurate.
Suzanne: Not even fucking remotely.
Suzanne: And I will say this about the movie.
Suzanne: It's very visually stunning.
Gary Hill: Well, the model works great.
Suzanne: I think it's a beautiful movie to look at that has zero substance.
Suzanne: I read that they were basically trying to race with Star Wars.
Suzanne: They were trying to get something out.
Suzanne: And I just think they had some great ideas there that,
Suzanne: because they rushed it, were never realized.
Gary Hill: That's fair enough.
Suzanne: And, I mean, I love the little robots.
Suzanne: And, of course, I was sitting here watching it with Pat,
Suzanne: and, you know, Pat, what does Pat love more than anything?
Suzanne: bad science fiction movies and he hates this movie what does that say science you know and he's like
Suzanne: spaceships laser beams that's all he wants and this has spaceships and laser beams and he did
Suzanne: not like it whatsoever but i was just i guess it thank god for the visuals because i kept
Suzanne: nodding off while i was watching it i had to go i made like two cups of coffee watching an hour and
Suzanne: movie, trying to keep my
Suzanne: ass awake.
Suzanne: It just, there's absolutely no substance
Suzanne: to it. I liked
Suzanne: some of the concepts they had.
Suzanne: You know,
Suzanne: him turning all of his crew into
Suzanne: robots, that was
Suzanne: kind of cool.
Suzanne: Maximilian
Suzanne: is just a bastard, which
Suzanne: you know, I kind of love that about him.
Suzanne: And I never got to see Robot Dick.
Suzanne: Maybe I just wasn't looking for Robot Dick.
Gary Hill: I've heard of this
Gary Hill: boner and you get it towards the end of the movie
Gary Hill: when him and Vincent are going at it.
Gary Hill: The very outmatched Vincent going against
Gary Hill: this big old, you've never seen him before
Gary Hill: it's just this big old red metallic beast
Gary Hill: with like a Cylon eye
Gary Hill: in the middle of his face but doesn't quite flash
Gary Hill: it just stays red.
Gary Hill: Yeah. So he's kind of terrifying
Gary Hill: and Vincent's this little floating thing
Gary Hill: that can shoot lasers in his cocky
Gary Hill: as hell voiced by Ronnie McDowell
Gary Hill: and he's going toe to toe with him and
Gary Hill: using all of his
Gary Hill: magnet power to stay on
Gary Hill: and shoot him with his lasers.
Gary Hill: And there's a point
Gary Hill: where this little thing pops up
Gary Hill: off of Maximilian's midsection
Gary Hill: and that is your robot dong.
Gary Hill: People have always told me
Gary Hill: that robot's got a dong.
Gary Hill: It's going to pop out for a second.
Gary Hill: And it did.
Suzanne: I never even went to robot dong
Suzanne: in that scene.
Suzanne: Never.
Gary Hill: That robot needed a dong
Suzanne: movie let me tell you it's just not it just it had potential that you know the that was never
Suzanne: realized i said i found parts of the story interesting and the rest was just kind of
Suzanne: it it was all filler in visual effects and thank you for the excellent visual effects or else i
Suzanne: probably would have crashed throughout every time i tried to watch it it's not horrible it's i i get
Suzanne: But Disney made a wry attempt at trying to compete with Star Wars, and they failed.
Gary Hill: I have a slightly different opinion about this movie.
Gary Hill: I probably enjoyed it more than Suzanne.
Gary Hill: I've only seen it once, like Suzanne said, when I was a kid.
Gary Hill: I remember back in the day, and this is how I learned how to read, actually.
Gary Hill: They used to have these cassette tapes with books, with storybooks.
Gary Hill: And you would read along with the voice that was on the tape.
Gary Hill: when it made the ding, you would turn the page.
Gary Hill: Well, I remember specifically Black Hole
Gary Hill: having one, and there was
Gary Hill: hundreds of other ones.
Gary Hill: We used to get them from the library, and
Gary Hill: I took this one out a few times,
Gary Hill: and I remember that correctly there, so I remember more
Gary Hill: about the voice on the tape
Gary Hill: than I do about the movie.
Gary Hill: But anyway, I thought this was a fun ride.
Gary Hill: I've always enjoyed
Gary Hill: that recluse in space
Gary Hill: that wasn't quite what he
Gary Hill: appears to be kind of deal,
Gary Hill: our Maximilian Schell
Gary Hill: who's a world class actor pulled us off
Gary Hill: pretty well being this like
Gary Hill: recluse with all these automatons
Gary Hill: hanging around running his different machines
Gary Hill: and you get the
Gary Hill: big reveal that he lied
Gary Hill: about his crew and it's
Gary Hill: never really said did he
Gary Hill: do this to his crew because they wouldn't follow
Gary Hill: orders it's never really said
Gary Hill: that it's just kind of saying well
Gary Hill: I turned them into robots because that's my only
Gary Hill: choice and you know that's
Gary Hill: And they're kind of alive, but they're not alive.
Gary Hill: And I really enjoyed that twist of this movie and his swagger.
Gary Hill: Borgnine with a mustache is real fine.
Gary Hill: I need more of that in my life.
Gary Hill: Can't have it now, unfortunately.
Gary Hill: But I've got to seek out more films where Borgnine has a mustache because he wears it very well.
Suzanne: The cast was stellar.
Suzanne: They could not have picked better actors.
Suzanne: you're right Ed, Borgnine is
Suzanne: just kind of
Suzanne: the rough and tumble dude
Suzanne: he was great
Gary Hill: until he broke his leg and he's like
Gary Hill: go on without me
Gary Hill: Robert Forrester is your
Gary Hill: clean cut, I guess your Han Solo
Gary Hill: type character in this movie
Gary Hill: because I'd never seen him
Gary Hill: in a role like this and it was kind of delightful
Gary Hill: just to watch him running around
Gary Hill: the space station
Gary Hill: this movie does so many things that Star Wars does do
Gary Hill: and it's like
Gary Hill: took it from it almost.
Gary Hill: And that's fine.
Gary Hill: They even have the part where they dress up in
Gary Hill: the automaton garb and try to
Gary Hill: escape, and that lasts for about two seconds
Gary Hill: until they get found out.
Gary Hill: Hello, Naya.
Gary Hill: You're being a nice baby girl tonight, aren't you?
Gary Hill: Oh my goodness. That's okay.
Suzanne: I'm sorry.
Gary Hill: No, no. But the model work is
Gary Hill: stellar. I'm looking forward to some
Gary Hill: kind of Blu-ray for this, because even
Gary Hill: the copy I have on Vudu, which is
Gary Hill: supposedly 1080p has a lot of grain
Gary Hill: on it.
Gary Hill: I wish they would give the love for this
Gary Hill: to the original Tron,
Gary Hill: in which it would make the effects look up.
Gary Hill: I think it would make them pop even more.
Gary Hill: But like you said,
Gary Hill: Suzanne said, the story's kind of weak.
Gary Hill: The ending is really strange.
Gary Hill: Have you ever seen this before?
Gary Hill: Basically, our mad scientist
Gary Hill: has the idea that he's going to go through
Gary Hill: this black hole, but his ship
Gary Hill: starts to break apart as he's
Gary Hill: his calculations were wrong, I guess, or something.
Gary Hill: And there's this part
Gary Hill: at the end where everything blows up, the floors
Gary Hill: start to collapse, and all of his little automatons
Gary Hill: start to fall off the floor.
Gary Hill: But I guess he's in hell,
Gary Hill: and now he inhabits the body of
Gary Hill: Maximilian the robot.
Gary Hill: I don't understand this ending
Gary Hill: of this movie. It's like he's like the god
Gary Hill: of all these automatons now,
Gary Hill: in hell, and...
Suzanne: It was very, very odd.
Gary Hill: He's standing atop of a mountain
Gary Hill: because, like,
Gary Hill: like front, like
Gary Hill: dick to dick with his robot
Gary Hill: creation.
Gary Hill: And then all of a sudden
Gary Hill: he's inside his robot
Gary Hill: creation. I was like, did
Gary Hill: they fuck with the robot dick?
Gary Hill: I don't know. We're never gonna find
Gary Hill: out though, because the ending is just fucking weird.
Gary Hill: But, um...
Gary Hill: Why is it so fucking
Gary Hill: perverted? I don't know.
Gary Hill: Everybody's real fine though.
Gary Hill: I enjoyed, you know,
Gary Hill: the chase stuff was a lot of fun,
Gary Hill: although these robots were very easily
Gary Hill: killed. One of my favorite
Gary Hill: scenes in the movie is when
Gary Hill: Vincent's going toe-to-toe
Gary Hill: having a blaster
Gary Hill: off with one of the robots
Gary Hill: and... Robots?
Gary Hill: One of the robots slash humans
Gary Hill: and he's
Gary Hill: showing them off because he's picking on his
Gary Hill: little crumbly robot friend and
Gary Hill: he's not a fan of that, so if there's anything
Gary Hill: I love about this film, it's the
Gary Hill: cockiness of the little shitty
Gary Hill: Vincent robot
Gary Hill: who, you know, fuck your BB-8.
Gary Hill: Vincent was the cool little robot first.
Gary Hill: All you need to do is start rolling around
Gary Hill: and it'd be the same fucking thing, but you have more
Gary Hill: badass stuff on him than fucking
Gary Hill: lame BB-8.
Suzanne: Oh my god. Yeah, Vincent
Suzanne: did it. Vincent was my
Suzanne: favorite part of the movie, and
Suzanne: the robot shoot-off was
Suzanne: pretty damn cool.
Gary Hill: If it wasn't Roddy McDowell, it wouldn't have been
Gary Hill: the same. Let's put it that way, though.
Gary Hill: So the voice is what sold me.
Suzanne: Well, I got a little irritated
Suzanne: that they made the busted-down robot
Suzanne: Southern.
Suzanne: Is that, like, a slight?
Gary Hill: Well, when you find out that Slim Pickens, I guess you don't
Gary Hill: feel too bad about it, you know?
Gary Hill: No, I don't.
Gary Hill: Yes, because he's a treasure, and, you know,
Gary Hill: you should love you some Slim Pickens.
Suzanne: If you don't love Slim Pickens, there's something wrong with you.
Gary Hill: Mm-hmm.
Gary Hill: Oh, but, yeah, that's about
Gary Hill: sold for this one.
Gary Hill: Suzanne, anything else you'd like to say about the film?
Gary Hill: I'm probably worse tonight.
Gary Hill: I'm going to give it 1 to 10.
Suzanne: It's not a bad movie.
Suzanne: I just wish that they had developed the story a little bit more.
Suzanne: The cast, I mean, they had this cast that you could literally do no wrong with.
Suzanne: And it just seems like they were wasted at certain times.
Suzanne: But Vincent, you're right.
Suzanne: Vincent totally made the movie.
Suzanne: And I never got a chance to say it, so I have to say it.
Suzanne: Yvette Namu.
Gary Hill: There you go.
Suzanne: You know, being the sole female amongst everybody.
Suzanne: Everybody did just a fantastic job.
Suzanne: I just wish that they developed it more.
Suzanne: That's all I'm saying.
Suzanne: I don't hate it.
Gary Hill: And her biggest action set piece is her brain possibly getting blasted by a laser.
Gary Hill: And, you know, that really sucks that she was so helpless.
Gary Hill: If I had to give a slight against this movie, you know.
Suzanne: Oh, yeah, but I'm pretty much at, like, maybe a five.
Gary Hill: Yeah, okay.
Gary Hill: I'll go a little higher than you.
Gary Hill: I had a much better time with this film than I ever expected.
Gary Hill: I've always heard, you know, fair to good things about it,
Gary Hill: so I'm going to give it a fair to good score.
Gary Hill: I'm going to give it a six and a half out of ten,
Gary Hill: and I'm probably going to watch it again because I had a lot of fun with it.
Gary Hill: You know, and there's so many Star Wars knockoffs,
Gary Hill: and this is another one of those.
Gary Hill: But I think it's a movie you get to watch with your kids
Gary Hill: As long as you don't listen to this review, we start talking about robot dicks and robots fucking their creators and going inside of the robot.
Gary Hill: And yeah, don't listen to this review and explain that to your kids.
Gary Hill: That'd be bad for you.
Gary Hill: But next up, we're going to talk about this is going to be some beef after dark because robots are going to get sexy, y'all.
Gary Hill: And Saturn 3, right after this.
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Saturn 3 Trailer: In an isolated sector of our solar system, suspended in orbit around the sixth planet from our sun, lies a distant outpost.
Saturn 3 Trailer: A technologically perfect world where mistakes are impossible.
Saturn 3 Trailer: Because the impossible is unthinkable.
Saturn 3 Trailer: It is called Saturn 3.
Saturn 3 Trailer: Each year for 22 days, a solar eclipse plunges this outpost into shadow lock.
Saturn 3 Trailer: Total darkness
Saturn 3 Trailer: All communication
Saturn 3 Trailer: Is terminated
Saturn 3 Trailer: This year
Saturn 3 Trailer: The inhabitants of Saturn 3
Saturn 3 Trailer: Are about to experience
Saturn 3 Trailer: The unthinkable
Saturn 3 Trailer: A nightmare so perfect
Saturn 3 Trailer: It could only have been made by man
Saturn 3 Trailer: Captain
Saturn 3 Trailer: Major
Saturn 3 Trailer: This is my partner
Saturn 3 Trailer: There are only four inhabitants on Saturn 3.
Saturn 3 Trailer: One of them is not human.
Saturn 3 Trailer: No! No! No! No! No!
Saturn 3 Trailer: No! Don't let him touch me!
Saturn 3 Trailer: Do as you're told. They're still.
Saturn 3 Trailer: No!
Saturn 3 Trailer: Get back! Get back!
Saturn 3 Trailer: Come on!
Gary Hill: Saturn 3 is from, yeah, the year of my birth, 1980.
Gary Hill: We've done a lot of 1980 films lately, and I don't apologize for that.
Gary Hill: But it is totally accidental.
Gary Hill: This stars Kirk Douglas in all of his Kirk Douglas glory.
Gary Hill: Farrah Fawcett in all of her Fawcett glory running.
Gary Hill: And yeah, you get some other stuff too.
Gary Hill: Harvey Keitel as Benson.
Gary Hill: Not that Benson, people.
Gary Hill: This Benson wears green leather pants.
Gary Hill: And that ain't not bad.
Gary Hill: And that's your short cast for this film.
Gary Hill: And the robot, of course.
Gary Hill: And a dog.
Gary Hill: But we'll talk about that.
Gary Hill: That's upsetting.
Suzanne: Oh, don't worry. I'm going to touch upon the dog.
Gary Hill: Okay.
Gary Hill: But this plot synopsis is this.
Gary Hill: Two lovers, well, they become lovers, I guess,
Gary Hill: stationed at a remote base in the asteroid fields of Saturn
Gary Hill: are intruded upon by a retentive technocrat.
Gary Hill: What the fuck that means?
Suzanne: Who the fuck write that review?
Gary Hill: I don't know.
Gary Hill: From Earth and his charge, a benevolent eight-foot robot.
Gary Hill: Okay.
Gary Hill: Sue, I'll kick it to you again.
Suzanne: what's your thoughts on saturday i i'm i think once again this is one of those movies that i
Suzanne: watched at some point in the past because various parts of it look familiar but once again it was
Suzanne: like watching it for the first time ever again i i kind of grooved on it i actually really liked it
Suzanne: i thought it was a little cheese ball but you know the you know kirk russell kirk russell why do i
Suzanne: want to say kirk russell kirk douglas and farah you know trying to run a hydroponics farm on one of
Gary Hill: that moves all i thought about was marijuana that's all i think and you know they've got this happy
Suzanne: little relationship going they've got a little dog named sally which you knew the dog was doomed
Gary Hill: the second you knew she had a dog as soon as the dog hit the screen you the dog was doomed
Suzanne: oh come on dude it's like you put a dog in here
Suzanne: just to kill it because you don't have enough cast members to kill
Gary Hill: damn you people
Suzanne: and you know it's like I was a little bit surprised
Suzanne: I mean one of the very first scenes you see this dude just get kind of
Suzanne: mangled to death and then shot out of the space
Suzanne: I was like I actually rewound it back and watched it like two times
Gary Hill: he literally got slashed to ribbons people literally
Suzanne: and then this guy Benson
Suzanne: pretty much takes off
Suzanne: assumes the
Suzanne: captainship of this little mining
Suzanne: would you
Suzanne: just like a hydroponics farm
Gary Hill: they're trying to find
Gary Hill: new ways to grow food
Gary Hill: apparently earth is in the shits I guess
Gary Hill: and the point of them being at the
Gary Hill: station is finding I guess new
Gary Hill: ways to hydroponically
Gary Hill: grow food
Suzanne: yeah and then uh this dude shows up benson and his evil robot uh oh god i just forgot the robot's
Suzanne: name and a hector hector yes and just kind of they put the he puts the kibosh and all of that's
Suzanne: like oh you're really pretty um i'm gonna use you tonight oh yeah well all righty then sexy time
Suzanne: sexy time
Suzanne: and just
Suzanne: it's actually
Suzanne: a really good movie for being
Suzanne: you know small cast
Suzanne: great movie
Suzanne: Hector
Suzanne: the killer robot
Suzanne: was kind of cool
Suzanne: I liked him
Gary Hill: the problem I have with Hector
Gary Hill: was he didn't really have a head
Gary Hill: it just was kind of those googly flashing
Gary Hill: eyes hanging around all the time
Suzanne: yeah
Suzanne: Google flashy eyes, yeah.
Suzanne: And that's not rapey at all.
Gary Hill: Continue, I'm sorry.
Suzanne: It's okay.
Suzanne: But yeah, I mean, he's just constantly
Suzanne: trying to, you know, sleep with Alex.
Suzanne: And, you know, push Kirk Douglas to the side.
Suzanne: And I've seen things in this movie
Suzanne: that I never, ever wanted to see.
Suzanne: I never, ever wanted to see Kirk Douglas' ass.
Suzanne: But I did!
Gary Hill: Yeah, a 62-year-old Kirk Douglas' ass in this movie.
Suzanne: yeah there's some things you can't unsee
Suzanne: and that's kind of the scene that I'm
Suzanne: really don't ever
Suzanne: ever ever want to see again
Gary Hill: it's just what you think it's good and sagging people okay
Gary Hill: you know
Suzanne: I mean he's still he was still a muscular
Suzanne: dude but
Gary Hill: I'm sure 40 year old Kirk Douglas had a very muscular ass
Gary Hill: this is not the case okay
Gary Hill: it's kind of yeah
Gary Hill: go for it I'm sorry
Suzanne: oh that's okay
Suzanne: yeah now he's like chewing on my
Suzanne: elbows. I lost my train of thought
Suzanne: for a minute. Ass.
Gary Hill: Kirk Douglas ass.
Suzanne: And, you know,
Suzanne: in Harvey Keitel, I was really kind of surprised
Suzanne: as I didn't...
Suzanne: I never really...
Suzanne: Like I said, I knew I'd seen the movie before.
Suzanne: This might have been before I got into Harvey Keitel.
Suzanne: But he's
Suzanne: just kind of a prick.
Gary Hill: Also, some of you don't want to see Naked.
Gary Hill: Watch Bad Lieutenant, people.
Suzanne: That's another thing. I don't ever want to see that again.
Suzanne: Because you get like some full frontal in Bad Lieutenant that no one ever needs to see.
Gary Hill: Yeah.
Gary Hill: Like Steve Buscemi's ass in Boardwalk Empire.
Gary Hill: You don't want to see that either.
Gary Hill: That's kind of gross, you know.
Suzanne: Yeah.
Gary Hill: World-class actor, looks terrible naked.
Gary Hill: So there's that.
Suzanne: Oh, yeah.
Suzanne: But it was, I just thought that, you know, the power struggle was, I mean, it was palpable.
Suzanne: They did a good job of creating that.
Suzanne: And then with the addition of, you know, Hector, the killer googly-eyed rapey robot.
Suzanne: And it's just, it was pretty, it was pretty damn entertaining.
Suzanne: I was a little surprised because Pat told me that Farrah Fawcett died.
Suzanne: And I'm like, I don't remember that.
Suzanne: Oh, wow, that'll be fun.
Suzanne: You know, Kirk Douglas died.
Gary Hill: He sacrifices himself, people.
Suzanne: Yes, the self-sacrifice.
Suzanne: and then Farrah gets to go to Earth
Gary Hill: yeah
Gary Hill: and she gets big
Gary Hill: she buys stock on Aquedad apparently
Gary Hill: because that hair is real big at the end of that movie
Suzanne: oh yeah
Suzanne: I wonder if they hydroponically grew her makeup too
Suzanne: because she always had full facial makeup
Gary Hill: oh yeah
Gary Hill: but she had to look good for her daddy
Gary Hill: daddy
Gary Hill: daddy Kirk
Gary Hill: you know
Gary Hill: she had that punch on for old men apparently
Gary Hill: I've never been to Earth
Gary Hill: I've never seen other dudes
Gary Hill: this old guy will do alright
Gary Hill: let's see if his dick still works
Gary Hill: apparently it did
Gary Hill: oh man
Gary Hill: I love the way this movie starts
Gary Hill: basically like you said
Gary Hill: the guy makes a comment
Gary Hill: to this rando in a helmet
Gary Hill: big old black helmet
Gary Hill: you don't know it's Harvey Keitel yet
Gary Hill: said that I heard you
Gary Hill: I forgot that he said something about him
Gary Hill: failing some kind of psychological profile
Gary Hill: or something. So right away, you know
Gary Hill: this guy's fucking nuts.
Gary Hill: And then he opens the air shaft
Gary Hill: to shoot his friend out the door
Gary Hill: and literally cuts him to ribbons
Gary Hill: because there's this big old wire
Gary Hill: and the guy gets cut to pieces. It's kind of great.
Suzanne: Oh, yeah.
Gary Hill: Once you get to the meat and potatoes of this film,
Gary Hill: you get these two characters,
Gary Hill: Farrah Fawcett, if you're a dude,
Gary Hill: you know, I'm a dude,
Gary Hill: you got to see some Farrah Fawcett boob, at least one of them
Gary Hill: in this movie, so there's that to enjoy.
Gary Hill: she's with this old man
Gary Hill: and then he shows up
Gary Hill: and when he opens his
Gary Hill: gob, he starts
Gary Hill: to talk and you're thinking, that's not
Gary Hill: Harvey Keitel talking, it's not. He got
Gary Hill: overdubbed by this British actor, Roy
Gary Hill: D'Otrese, who's been in like
Gary Hill: one thing I've seen him in. He's been
Gary Hill: in a ton apparently. It was the Corsican
Gary Hill: Brothers, the Cheech and Chong movie.
Suzanne: What? Yeah.
Gary Hill: But yeah, he's totally overdubbed.
Gary Hill: I knew it right away. I was like, this doesn't sound like him
Gary Hill: at all. Not even like, oh,
Gary Hill: this is just the younger version. Because I watched
Gary Hill: Blue Collar. And they let him talk in
Gary Hill: Blue Collar. It was probably made a couple
Gary Hill: years earlier than this. And
Gary Hill: that was a little strange.
Gary Hill: But what was strange was this green
Gary Hill: leather outfit that he wears through most of this
Suzanne: movie. Yeah.
Gary Hill: That looked very form-fitting
Gary Hill: on him. And I guess this is why
Gary Hill: he thought, once the green leather
Gary Hill: has come out to play, I get to come play too.
Gary Hill: Because there's some very
Gary Hill: rapey, you know,
Gary Hill: just not go against your Me Too status
Gary Hill: at all, people,
Gary Hill: because right from the jump, he's like,
Gary Hill: you know what? He's old. I'm young.
Gary Hill: You want to fuck? Why wouldn't you want to fuck me?
Gary Hill: I'm much younger than he is,
Gary Hill: and I might be psychotic.
Gary Hill: Let me program my robot here
Gary Hill: to say he wants to fuck you, too,
Gary Hill: because that's a big throughline to this film, is that
Gary Hill: he's basically putting his traits
Gary Hill: into this robot, and he's learning
Gary Hill: stuff from him, so the whole time
Gary Hill: the robot wants to fuck her too
Gary Hill: to a point where he turns against his master
Gary Hill: and tears his hand off
Gary Hill: hilariously
Gary Hill: so the whole time of this movie
Gary Hill: you got this robot who
Gary Hill: is running around
Gary Hill: and eventually decapitates
Gary Hill: old Harvey and Benson
Gary Hill: Harvey Benson
Gary Hill: which is the only time
Gary Hill: he has a head throughout the entire movie
Gary Hill: because like I mentioned to Suzanne,
Gary Hill: this only real problem I have with this robot,
Gary Hill: it needed like a solid head to it,
Gary Hill: and that would have made him more imposing than it already was,
Gary Hill: because he was pretty imposing without the head,
Gary Hill: but if he had like a cool head,
Gary Hill: you know,
Gary Hill: and not the stupid plastic light-up eye googly eyes,
Gary Hill: I think it would have been even more imposing,
Gary Hill: and that hurt my thought of the robot a little bit,
Gary Hill: but um it's a lot of fun i i think that it's as simple as the idea is the fact that it goes on
Gary Hill: for an hour and 26 minutes i'm not really bored by it and that's that'd be really hard to do in a
Gary Hill: story like this in which you pretty much get all your exposition and all you're jumping off in like
Gary Hill: the first 40 minutes and then what do you do with the rest of the movie you know you you make it
Gary Hill: interesting and they managed to pull that off
Gary Hill: with chases and
Gary Hill: you know all kinds of good stuff
Gary Hill: until the end
Gary Hill: and it really went nowhere because
Gary Hill: he pretty much had free will
Gary Hill: in which the robot was going to control Kirk Douglas
Gary Hill: through his
Gary Hill: matrix hole
Gary Hill: that's what I'm going to call it
Suzanne: yeah the matrix hole
Gary Hill: that's what it looked like this jack that's in the back of his neck
Suzanne: or the existenz
Suzanne: porthole
Gary Hill: yes indeed
Gary Hill: and that really went nowhere because
Gary Hill: he blows up the robot in the ice water
Gary Hill: at the end and the robot didn't even see
Gary Hill: it coming so if there's anything to bitch about
Gary Hill: for this movie is that the robot
Gary Hill: is supposed to be this all knowing being
Gary Hill: who picks up AI information from
Gary Hill: everything that he interacts with
Gary Hill: but he didn't see Kirk Douglas
Gary Hill: stealing these explosives
Gary Hill: out of this thing on this very
Gary Hill: automated space station where
Gary Hill: you probably see and know everything that he's doing
Gary Hill: I don't see this
Gary Hill: it's like hey
Gary Hill: Hey, hey, Farrah, distract him with your titties.
Gary Hill: Okay.
Gary Hill: You know, that would have been more interesting.
Gary Hill: She's like, hey, Hector.
Gary Hill: And then, like, you didn't see, I wouldn't mind seeing the boobs, of course,
Gary Hill: but to be tasteful, hey, you want to do something?
Gary Hill: You know, that would have been a distraction for the robot.
Gary Hill: You know?
Gary Hill: Whilst he's stealing these explosives to destroy him with.
Gary Hill: And, yeah.
Gary Hill: You get a lot of Farrah running in this film, and that's fine.
Gary Hill: You eat a lot of...
Suzanne: Kirk Russell.
Suzanne: Why do I keep wanting to call him Kirk Russell?
Gary Hill: Call him Kirk Russell. It's fine.
Suzanne: Kirk Douglas running.
Suzanne: And Harvey Keitel wearing green leather
Suzanne: and rapey robot.
Gary Hill: Righteous robot ass.
Gary Hill: That robot has a butt for some reason.
Gary Hill: I don't know why. It's just there, though.
Suzanne: And, uh...
Gary Hill: It's like the metallic butt cheeks
Gary Hill: just hanging down. I'm like, what is the point of those?
Gary Hill: Is he trying to be a sexy robot,
Gary Hill: I guess?
Gary Hill: sexy robot sexy robot oh yeah in a future time baby robots robots have the dark i guess because
Suzanne: everybody has got so overboard in every movie lately is it two hours or longer it was nice
Suzanne: just to go back to the classics they're like an hour and a half it was real clean i thought it
Gary Hill: was very clean and x said that he didn't like this movie i'm i was really surprised that he didn't
Suzanne: like this movie but um i mean it's it's got its it's slower moving parts but they kept the story
Suzanne: tight they didn't try to go overboard they didn't try to do much they did just just enough yeah
Gary Hill: all right um anything else they say about the movie when you give a one to ten i honestly i
Suzanne: was really surprised at how much i enjoyed it because i really just there's a very small subset
Suzanne: of sci-fi that I truly enjoy
Suzanne: and I really
Suzanne: was surprised at how much I enjoyed
Suzanne: watching this and I'll probably
Suzanne: end up watching this again because Pat
Suzanne: informed me this was one of his favorite
Suzanne: movies so I'm
Suzanne: pretty much I'm actually
Suzanne: just you know trying to quickie watch
Suzanne: it today I'm
Suzanne: at a 7 and that rating will probably
Suzanne: go up on subsequent viewings
Gary Hill: yeah me
Gary Hill: I dug it and it's the first
Gary Hill: ever watched it now. I'll give it
Gary Hill: a watch again because it had a nice
Gary Hill: feel. It had a small cast.
Gary Hill: So that helps films
Gary Hill: with me. If you've got a small cast
Gary Hill: of people,
Gary Hill: in this case three,
Gary Hill: you have to really make that a character
Gary Hill: study. And that
Gary Hill: really works in a film like this.
Gary Hill: It works in Dawn of the Dead. I'm sorry
Gary Hill: if some of you like the remake better, but you guys
Gary Hill: are wrong because I can give a
Gary Hill: fuck about any of those characters.
Suzanne: I could not agree with you more.
Gary Hill: So when you get a small group together,
Gary Hill: you have to really try harder with the writing
Gary Hill: to make them relatable and likable
Gary Hill: because you have to be with these same three people
Gary Hill: for an hour and a half.
Gary Hill: Well, that and a sex-craved robot, you know,
Gary Hill: with a shiny metallic ass.
Gary Hill: But yeah, it's real fine.
Gary Hill: I'm going to give it that same seven,
Gary Hill: but I'm going to watch it again.
Gary Hill: I'll probably enjoy it even more.
Gary Hill: It's available on Amazon Prime to watch right now currently.
Gary Hill: I think Screen Factory has a Blu-ray of this
Gary Hill: as well for you guys'
Gary Hill: consumption.
Gary Hill: But I'm going to leave it at that.
Gary Hill: And we'll come back and we'll close out the show.
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Gary Hill: Well, Suzanne, I don't have any really deaths to report,
Gary Hill: but I have some other stuff to report.
Gary Hill: This Saturday, Suzanne, she will be joining us,
Gary Hill: myself and Mike Merriman,
Gary Hill: and we will be recording the very first episode,
Gary Hill: the pilot episode of Burning for Springwood,
Gary Hill: which is a full series retrospective
Gary Hill: of the Freddy's Nightmares series
Gary Hill: Mike's very excited about it
Gary Hill: Suzanne I think is excited about it
Suzanne: I'm very excited
Gary Hill: I'm on the fence about it
Gary Hill: because I know some of her fucking hot garbage
Gary Hill: you know but uh
Gary Hill: we're gonna make the most out of it
Gary Hill: Mike already said he has some guests
Gary Hill: that are interested in coming on
Gary Hill: so I say bring them on
Gary Hill: so anything to ease the pain
Gary Hill: of these 44 minute crab fests
Gary Hill: because they're a little too long
Gary Hill: that's my biggest problem. We'll get into all that
Gary Hill: later on. I
Gary Hill: watched the first three episodes of The Wonder Years
Gary Hill: so I could pull some sound clips from them
Gary Hill: for the first episode of
Gary Hill: Kevin Arnold, Underdog or Asshole.
Gary Hill: And that
Gary Hill: doesn't have a co-host yet, but I
Gary Hill: got a feeling I could string somebody for that or
Gary Hill: maybe go solo, but I'm very
Gary Hill: wooden when I go solo, so
Gary Hill: I'll see if I can grab somebody for that.
Suzanne: When are you going to do that?
Gary Hill: Oh, I have no idea. Oh, count me
Suzanne: in. I love the first, like,
Suzanne: couple of seasons of the wonder years yeah that's coming uh get ready for some some some hate
Gary Hill: watching for that and you did not not unintentional hate watches of those episodes because
Gary Hill: you're a little fucking creep even in the first few that i watched i was like you know what you're
Gary Hill: a little fucking asshole but uh yeah besides that two drink is coming uh back i don't know when
Gary Hill: that's gonna be uh we'll talk about this off air susan i got susan i got i got plans though and
Gary Hill: it may make some changes in the show
Gary Hill: but I don't know what's going to happen
Gary Hill: but um but uh Suzanne what you got
Gary Hill: coming up girl
Suzanne: next week we are continuing
Suzanne: with Vampire Month and
Suzanne: recording 30 days of night on
Suzanne: NFW and that's on
Suzanne: Horrorfilia
Suzanne: and well like I said
Suzanne: we got burned in for spring
Suzanne: spring
Suzanne: spring was
Suzanne: well for obvious reasons
Suzanne: yes I know and Naya's excited too
Gary Hill: Naya's excited too yes
Suzanne: and yeah that's
Suzanne: pretty much it right now
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Gary Hill: other shows
Gary Hill: sloppy seconds movie sequel podcast
Gary Hill: I'm working on getting an episode
Gary Hill: together for that to
Gary Hill: record it might not be
Gary Hill: Deathstalker 2 but I'm in talks with a
Gary Hill: guy who's
Gary Hill: partially got done a documentary
Gary Hill: about the film Rock Roll High School Forever
Gary Hill: and that's a film that's
Gary Hill: so stupid that I can't help enjoy
Gary Hill: where Corey Feldman
Gary Hill: is singing and swinging in that movie.
Suzanne: Oh, God, no.
Gary Hill: It's really bad in parts, but really
Gary Hill: fucking delightful.
Gary Hill: This guy took time to get some of the actors
Gary Hill: together. He's still working on.
Gary Hill: Last I heard, he was in negotiations with
Gary Hill: Corey Feldman's people to get him
Gary Hill: in the documentary.
Gary Hill: He's working on getting
Gary Hill: Mary Warren off, too.
Gary Hill: This is all talk at this point.
Gary Hill: I don't want to announce, yeah, it's happening.
Gary Hill: because I don't know if it's happening or not.
Gary Hill: But, yeah, I was supposed to have an interview with that guy
Gary Hill: and do a review of the show, of the movie on the show.
Gary Hill: So that's probably going to be the next big sloppy seconds.
Gary Hill: Twitter GW, Twitter at CinebeefCast.
Gary Hill: Next up, I don't know what that's going to be.
Gary Hill: It might be something with Dan and Lacey.
Gary Hill: We've been talking about a couple things, so stay tuned for that.
Gary Hill: Again, I make no promises.
Gary Hill: Scheduling has been hard with the winter and people are getting sick
Gary Hill: you know it always sucks in the winter but spring spring is on the way people and that makes me
Gary Hill: very very happy but um that's it for this one a lot of butums on this one i'm sorry about that
Gary Hill: but not sorry this has been your cinema beef podcast where if you've got beef we've got the
Gary Hill: grinder
Gary Hill: She's a black belt in karate
Gary Hill: Working for the city
Gary Hill: She has to discipline her body
Gary Hill: Cause she knows that
Gary Hill: It's demanding
Gary Hill: To defeat those evil machines
Gary Hill: I know she can be there
Gary Hill: Oh, you're she-man
Gary Hill: They don't believe me
Gary Hill: But you won't let those robots
Gary Hill: See me, you're she-man
Gary Hill: They don't believe me
Gary Hill: But you won't let those
Gary Hill: Robots to feed me
Gary Hill: Those evil natured robots
Gary Hill: They're programmed to destroy us
Gary Hill: She's gotta be strong to fight now
Gary Hill: So she's taking lots of vitamins
Gary Hill: Cause she knows that
Gary Hill: It'd be tragic if those evil robots win.
Gary Hill: I know she can be them.
Gary Hill: Oh, you're she, man.
Gary Hill: They don't believe me.
Gary Hill: But you won't let those robots defeat me.
Gary Hill: If she meant
Gary Hill: They don't believe me
Gary Hill: But you won't let us
Gary Hill: Robots eat me
Gary Hill: If she meant
Gary Hill: Evil robots win
Gary Hill: Yeah
Gary Hill: I know that she can beat them
Gary Hill: Oh, you're she-man
Gary Hill: They don't believe me
Gary Hill: But you want those robots to feed me
Gary Hill: You're she-man
Gary Hill: They don't believe me
Gary Hill: But you won't let those robots defeat me
Gary Hill: You're sheaming, they don't believe me
Gary Hill: But you won't let those robots defeat me
Gary Hill: You're sheaming, they don't believe me
Gary Hill: But you won't let those robots he made