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We long to live in the real world
because that's what we are a part of.

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We are not physical entities as the
physicist would define us to be right.

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We are not what science says.

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We are.

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We are corporeal entities that live
in a real corporeal world that have

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souls that are not subject to the
constraints of space, but are subject

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to time that ultimately harking back
to a center on Ava eternal realm.

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That is the source of intelligence
and intellectual as distinct

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from reason and rationale.

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Right.

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Reason and rationality logic, these
things like go and sequence, right.

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But intelligence happens instantaneously.

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Welcome to Lucas Skrobot
show I'm Lucas Skrobot.

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And this is where we uncover
purpose, pursue truth and

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own the future episode 282.

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It's a palindrome today.

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And it is actually recording on April
12th, but we'll be releasing this episode

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a little later in middle of may sometime.

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And today it's a little
bit of a different episode.

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We haven't had guests on the show
very recently, but today we have Dr.

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Richard Smith, who is a PhD
mathematician, and entrepreneur.

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He studies cycles and builds
financial tools for people like you

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and me who don't really trust the
big financial situ or, uh, industry

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or, uh, institutions all the time.

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But we, we know that we need
to figure something out.

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So we're gonna be talking about
his financial entrepreneurial

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side towards the end of the show.

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You do not want to miss it.

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We're going to be talking about
that inverted yield curve.

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We've been talking about.

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We're going to be talking
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economic cycle of the globe.

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But before that today, we're going to
be discussing Wolfgang Smith's work.

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Uh, the vertical ascent note Wolf gained
Smith was born in Vienna in 1930 and

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at 18 he graduated Cornell university.

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He actually, he actually met, uh, he
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studied next to John Nash, who was the,
the mathematician from a beautiful mind.

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Brilliant genius, who took all of his.

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Mathematics and physics and he
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in how we viewed the world.

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And so Dr.

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Richards, Dr.

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Uh, excuse me, Dr.

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Wolfgang Smith started the phileo
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philia Sophia initiative.

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And now that is being run by Dr.

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Richard Smith.

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Who's nestled away in the mountains
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we all wish wish to be Richard.

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Welcome Dr.

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Smith.

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Welcome to the show.

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Thank you, Lucas.

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It's great to be here
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Uh, I just want to add, yes.

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Wolfgang graduated at 18 with three
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and philosophy at 18 years old.

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And by the way, no relation,
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um, we're not, uh, blood kin.

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Uh, hopefully spiritual kin, but,
uh, but not blood kin indeed.

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What was the, since we're going to be
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Sophia initiative and walking's work
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the show, but what is the vision and the
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Why does it exist?

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What does it do?

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What is it about?

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It exists to promote the
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Um, and that work in particular is
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cosmos and restoring our humanity and
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dominate and pervade society today.

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That what Wolfgang Smith
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So he wrote his very first book
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called cosmos and transcendence just
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each one, uh, he's 92 years old.

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Now he's still amazingly prolific
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working, he wakes up, you know, and,
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So, but the subtitle to his first
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barrier of scientistic belief.

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So, and so science scientism is
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we'll get into, this is an ideology.

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um, in lieu of traditional metaphysics.

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So what, he's not breaking past the
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No, no, he's a, he's a scientist.

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What he doesn't love is the
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a limited, a piston Knology a
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A modus operandi, a way of
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doesn't know the whole world.

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Call what the scientists
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To try to cause scientists are
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found that those weren't quite solid.

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And you add into the
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And then trying to recreate
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through a narrow slit, right?

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Narrowing your view.

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else about life is an illusion, right?

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That's only what the
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Um, we'll get into that.

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is kind of recognizing the power of
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also calling it out for its overreach.

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I mean, even that free reading our
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scientists, scientistic belief,
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science has become its own religion.

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That science has no longer been about
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what we can see and believe in testing
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is, and coming to understand how
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then it's moved beyond that, into.

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Uh, faith system.

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And then that faith system begins to color
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or physicists view the world, because
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and that in science, we keep on looking
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the world and how the world works.

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the whole, that's a big part of it.

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So I guess what book is along
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the vertical ascent, correct?

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And so in it, what is the overarching
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that he then answers in the book?

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What is the overarching theme?

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He first published cosmos and
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this idea of scientistic belief.

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enigma and the quantum enigma, um,
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you know, was focused on physics.

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And the quantum enigma is the measurement
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Where you have, um,
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Where you have these wave forms,
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the, uh, wave function collapse, and
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And that takes place
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Measures or detects something
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There's particles in the quantum world.

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Particle only happens when an instrument,
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And so that is the quantum enigma.

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And that's been in science now
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There's not really a
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um, had a, quite a breakthrough and
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leads us to, we talk about, can we
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just threw out you throughout this?

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I mean, I understand it because I've,
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quite fascinating, but I know there's
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Just like sure.

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Quantum ontological.

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It's just, can you describe what what's
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wave collapsing down to a particle?

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How does that work and why is that
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that we're about to have?

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Can you like tell it in like
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Well, let's take a step back for
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distinction that people need to
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work is the distinction between what he
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Okay.

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So the corporeal world is the
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The world that we live in, right?

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You can touch it, you can smell it,
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It's got color for.

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It's the world that we all
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It's a world that I can
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I see that your desk is brown and your
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of both qualities and quantities.

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So physics starting back
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And then going through Descartes
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with the physical world.

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So what is the physical world?

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The physical world is
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So if you can put a ruler on it, you
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or in grams or in seconds, that act of
measurement is what the physicists do.

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In fact, I think it was Lord Calvin
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physics is the science of measurement.

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Gotcha.

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So think of all the things
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You can measure your height, you
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measure your blood flow, your
blood pressure, et cetera, right?

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Yeah.

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You can't really measure love.

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You can't measure care.

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You can't measure purpose kindness.

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So there's all these things, kindness,
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Qualitative things that actually
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Right.

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You talked in the beginning of your show
about purpose and truth to a scientist.

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Those are not measurable, right?

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They're not quantifiable.

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So the physical world is the
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defined by the physicists.

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Okay.

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It's it's what we can measure.

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And it's, it's quantitative, right?

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You are stripping out the qualities and
you're only focusing on the quantities.

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Right.

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So you have the corporeal world, the
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Scientists don't look at their
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My little, you know, quantum
bundle, let me give you a hug.

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Right?

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Right.

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No, you know, science, uh, in its quest
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be measured, what can be objectified.

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Um, and then to try to recreate all of
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Uh, that's a mistaken ideology
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scientists live in their daily lives.

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It's uh, that is scientism, right?

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When you say that only things are true,
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objectified, and that we can all agree on.

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Right, right, right.

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Um, that are outside of us.

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And this is, uh, kind of
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Who said, I think, therefore I am right.

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And that was his famous dictum.

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And he divided the world into two parts,
one, he called res Extensa or things that

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have extension things that are measurable.

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Right.

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And the other one was Rez Koji tantees,
which are the things that are inside of

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us, our thoughts, our feelings, right.

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Our emotions, our soul, and, and
Descartes actually made reference to God.

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Um, but that idea of the
Cartesian bifurcation.

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Okay.

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Breaking the world into the kind of
objective, measurable things in the

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subjective non-measurable things.

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Right.

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And then the world went on this
kind of, you know, for the past

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four or 500 years has been on this
outward focused measurement control

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technology science direction,
which has led to incredible power.

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Right.

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And so all of those things that are
part of  are just kind of considered

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second class citizens, if you will.

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Right.

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So this is a very, this is,
this is the key distinction that

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anybody wants to understand.

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Wolf King's work.

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Has to understand the distinction
between the corporeal.

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Again, what all of us regard as
reality, and then the physical, which

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is basically what they card started with
Rez, extensive, the things that have

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extension that can be measured, right?

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It can be quantified.

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And that, that somehow
is the truth, right?

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And that we're going to
reduce everything to that.

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And then we're going to build
everything back up out of that.

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So to understand, to cart in the
physical, this is the physical realm,

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deconstructed everything into its
smallest part that he could know, and

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scientists are still working defined.

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What is the, what is the smallest
quantum that the universe is made of?

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And we get string theory and you know,
I'm nothing but a density wave that is

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slightly different than your density wave.

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And there's other
density waves between us.

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But that really makes us.

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We're not distinct from one
another in that regards.

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And then they try to rebuild up
the parts into the hole without

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putting the hole back together.

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So just a series of disjointed parts.

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Yeah.

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And it's a lot, like say, um, an anatomist
who is going to, uh, kill a frog, right.

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Dissected study it's anatomy, measure it.

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Right.

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And then try to recombine those things and
bring the frog back to life and see what

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frog the frog doesn't come back to life.

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Right.

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And you take it apart.

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You know, you, you kill it.

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You destroy it's life.

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Right in science.

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Has not produced life.

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They've recombined parts of life.

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Right.

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But they have not produced like,
and you know, so today you have

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artificial intelligence, et cetera.

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Right.

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And my PhD work, I worked at the Santa
Fe Institute for a little while I

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studied complexity, science, et cetera.

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Right.

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I studied in a field called artificial
light and the idea of artificial

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life, it's in a computer, so it
wasn't building Frankenstein.

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Right.

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But, uh, but you're going to mix and match
the right kind of, um, uh, algorithms.

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Right.

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So you're going to have, um, little,
you know, entities in the computer.

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Right.

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They forged, they gather food,
they have a metabolic tax.

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They make, they reproduce, you know,
you're trying to set up certain

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conditions that mimic life and then
look for so-called emergent behavior.

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Okay.

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So, um, the emergent
behavior doesn't mean.

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Right.

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You combine all these things.

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You can make it faster.

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You can make it look more and more likely
lifelike, but you do not get intelligence.

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You do not get life.

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You know, you get algorithms,
you get mechanism.

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Um, you do not get the
corporeal world, right?

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You get the physical world,
you get a world that's

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strictly a quantitative world.

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And it lacks the qualitative attributes
that most of us regard, as, you

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know, the essence of life, things
like purpose, truth, et cetera.

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So understanding the corporeal and
the physical is the key distinction.

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Right?

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And so what Wolfgang has shown is
that this bifurcation, this Cartesian

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bifurcation, dividing the world,
you know, into the things that

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you can measure and defining truth
as an act of measurement, right?

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Uh, that takes you down a certain path,
a certain metaphysical path, right?

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A certain ideological path that
you're going to then, you know, regard

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religion, a superstition, you know,
and qualities as just, well, you

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know, we don't know what they are,
but they take place inside of us.

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And, uh, we can't really measure them.

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And so we're going to regard them as,
you know, just something that we put

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in the background and don't really
pay a lot of attention to, right.

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While we go build stuff and do our
technology and, and, uh, try to break

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things down further and further.

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Okay.

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So that insight is what led him to kind
of address or understand this problem in

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quantum physics and quantum mechanics,
the so-called measurement problem, you

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know, as actually arising from the limited
way that scientists understand the world.

344
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Right.

345
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And that that's not the whole.

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Right that we have this corporeal
world that we live in and we have the

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physical now quantum mechanical world
that the scientists have identified, but

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there's a discontinuity between them.

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There's a chasm, you know?

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And so, you know, I don't want
to get too deep in the physics.

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I'm not actually a physicist myself.

352
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I come at this from the mathematician side
and then my PhD was in systems science.

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Um, but suffice it to say, there's
a huge gap between the quantum

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world in our corporeal world.

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Right?

356
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And when an instrument, which
is a corporeal object, you

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know, it's a device, right?

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It's not purely quantitative it's
corporeal when that interacts with

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the quantum world, which is non,
which is purely physical, right?

360
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It's not boreal.

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Um, that creates this
wave function collapse.

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And that's the so-called
quantum, uh, Nicholas.

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So, correct me if I'm
correct me, if I'm wrong.

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When, if I remember what the quantum
enigma is, which is it's Heinz Berg and

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uncertainty principle, is that correct?

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Where there's a way it's being shot out.

367
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Exactly.

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And you're seeing that the wave that
there's probability of where the

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electron will hit, but the moment
that you observe where the electron is

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going, instead of hitting the screen
in a way form, it's just sitting in

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the exact spot that you observed.

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So the moment that the electron is
being observed, it changes its behavior

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to do exactly what the observer saw
that it was going to do rather than

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acting as, uh, a way probability wave
Fred when it's not being observed.

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Is this, is that kind of
what we're talking about?

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Where that wave then all of a sudden
collapses, because that is one of the.

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Fascinating things to me when it
comes to physics and science or

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quantum physics, it's a mystery.

379
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It's like, how, how does this happen?

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What is happening here?

381
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Exactly.

382
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And it remains a mystery a
hundred years later, right?

383
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It still has not been explained.

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And it, the absence of an explanation
has led to things like string theory

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and like, to the multi-verse right
now we're postulating that, uh,

386
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there's not just one universe, right?

387
00:22:36,780 --> 00:22:39,330
There's a universe of universe.

388
00:22:40,649 --> 00:22:40,889
Right.

389
00:22:41,230 --> 00:22:44,790
So within our universe,
wouldn't that just be what?

390
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No, like in parallel
to our universe, right?

391
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That there's separate realities.

392
00:22:50,370 --> 00:22:55,260
And this is a, this is a very unscientific
idea because it's pure theory.

393
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There's no possible experimental evidence
that can establish the reality of a

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multi-verse because you can't get any
signal from one universe to another.

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There's no way of verifying
the idea of a multi-verse it's

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a purely theoretical idea.

397
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Right?

398
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So talk about the distinction
between scientism and the

399
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scientific method, right?

400
00:23:20,370 --> 00:23:24,720
The scientific method is an
empirical verifiable, measurable,

401
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,760
you know, process and method.

402
00:23:26,850 --> 00:23:27,270
Right.

403
00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:30,510
But if you're going to talk
about a multi-verse where you

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can't have any communication,
it's a purely speculative idea.

405
00:23:34,889 --> 00:23:38,940
And you're going to call that science
when it can never be empirically verified.

406
00:23:39,795 --> 00:23:43,185
Now you are in the realm
of ideology, right?

407
00:23:43,695 --> 00:23:49,455
You are trying to fill gaps that you
can't fill through your scientific method

408
00:23:50,205 --> 00:23:54,465
now by displacing traditional cosmology.

409
00:23:54,885 --> 00:23:58,425
So going back to, what is
the vertical ascent about the

410
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vertical ascent is Wolfgang
rediscovering, traditional cosmology.

411
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That explains, you know, what our nature
is, what the nature of the universe is.

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00:24:11,055 --> 00:24:17,385
And, um, and to distinguish it from
the cosmology of scientistic belief,

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this cosmology that's built up strictly
from the idea that everything real is

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measurable and quantifiable, and that out
of this investigation into the measurable

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and quantifiable, we can then recreate
the whole universe and life itself.

416
00:24:34,275 --> 00:24:34,605
Right.

417
00:24:35,115 --> 00:24:35,595
Which is.

418
00:24:36,405 --> 00:24:37,815
That's, uh, it's not true.

419
00:24:38,535 --> 00:24:41,115
I mean, it's not the true
nature of the cosmos.

420
00:24:41,115 --> 00:24:45,945
It's not the true nature of reality
and traditional religion and early

421
00:24:45,945 --> 00:24:54,165
Greek philosophers, et cetera, all
agreed that the cosmos is tripartite,

422
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that it has three different,
um, ontologies, if you will.

423
00:25:00,525 --> 00:25:01,035
Okay.

424
00:25:01,335 --> 00:25:05,385
There's the corporeal world
that we live in and breathe in.

425
00:25:05,925 --> 00:25:14,475
And this corporeal world is subject to
constraints of, of time as well as space.

426
00:25:15,105 --> 00:25:15,585
Okay.

427
00:25:17,355 --> 00:25:22,305
Um, and that's really, you know, the
world that we're perceiving that we're

428
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sensing, so where the senses reside.

429
00:25:24,765 --> 00:25:25,215
Right.

430
00:25:25,965 --> 00:25:31,815
But then there's the so-called
intermediary world and

431
00:25:31,815 --> 00:25:34,095
the intermediary world is.

432
00:25:35,129 --> 00:25:37,830
Subject to time, but not to space.

433
00:25:38,220 --> 00:25:38,460
Right.

434
00:25:38,610 --> 00:25:39,060
Okay.

435
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,129
So it's subject to the constraints
of time, but it's not subject

436
00:25:44,129 --> 00:25:45,480
to the constraints of space.

437
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,389
Things that, you know, seem to be
in two different places can be in

438
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the same place at the same time.

439
00:25:50,490 --> 00:25:50,790
Right.

440
00:25:50,790 --> 00:25:53,520
Space goes away in the
intermediary worlds.

441
00:25:54,420 --> 00:26:00,780
And then beyond the, when you're, when
you remove space and you remove time, you

442
00:26:00,780 --> 00:26:07,050
have what a Thomas Aquinas called the Ava
eternal world, which is really Wolfgang

443
00:26:07,050 --> 00:26:09,030
used the image of a circle, right?

444
00:26:09,180 --> 00:26:11,129
As that he calls the cosmic icon.

445
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:15,420
The outer boundary is the corporeal
world subject to space and time.

446
00:26:16,110 --> 00:26:20,100
The middle area is the intermediary realm.

447
00:26:20,580 --> 00:26:25,590
And then the center, the point in
the middle, right, is the Ava turtle.

448
00:26:26,399 --> 00:26:32,460
And this permeates every, uh,
aspect of the intermediary.

449
00:26:32,490 --> 00:26:32,680
And.

450
00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:34,830
Corporate world.

451
00:26:35,070 --> 00:26:40,380
And it's actually the source of the
intermediary and the corporeal worlds.

452
00:26:40,740 --> 00:26:41,190
Right?

453
00:26:41,370 --> 00:26:48,960
And this is the traditional cosmology of
Play-Doh of Christianity, of, uh, into

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ism and the Vedic tradition, et cetera.

455
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:51,900
Right.

456
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:59,190
And so Wolfgang is rediscovering and
re-introducing us to this traditional

457
00:26:59,190 --> 00:27:01,350
cosmology, which we have forgotten.

458
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:07,350
We have lost track of lost sight
of, because our cosmology has been

459
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:13,050
defined by the scientists as being only
those things that can be measured and

460
00:27:13,050 --> 00:27:15,990
quantified and that we can all agree upon.

461
00:27:16,350 --> 00:27:18,240
And then we don't have to
get into any fights over.

462
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:28,410
It seems like what we've been
told from science is that we

463
00:27:28,410 --> 00:27:30,840
are just a bag of chemicals.

464
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:31,440
We're a bag.

465
00:27:32,175 --> 00:27:39,405
Electronic impulses and it
really takes the soul or the

466
00:27:39,405 --> 00:27:41,505
purpose out of human humanity.

467
00:27:41,505 --> 00:27:45,825
It takes, why would it
matter if I did something?

468
00:27:45,855 --> 00:27:48,255
Like why, why does it
matter that I keep my word?

469
00:27:48,285 --> 00:27:52,815
Why is it important to us that
you broke in from a child?

470
00:27:53,085 --> 00:27:56,595
If you break your word to a child,
it really means something to them.

471
00:27:57,285 --> 00:27:57,765
Yes.

472
00:27:57,825 --> 00:28:02,505
And so this might be a dramatic, a
tangent of a question, but it seems

473
00:28:02,505 --> 00:28:13,065
like right now in, in culture, that,
that idea that we are just tangible

474
00:28:14,205 --> 00:28:16,245
Addams floating around through space.

475
00:28:16,245 --> 00:28:18,885
And then when you die, you
just go back into the Dustin.

476
00:28:19,185 --> 00:28:20,145
So what does it matter?

477
00:28:20,295 --> 00:28:22,995
You're, you're just a sack of chemicals.

478
00:28:23,565 --> 00:28:28,895
It seems like, and it could be
totally wrong on this, but it seems.

479
00:28:29,805 --> 00:28:34,425
When we carry that to its conclusion
is, well, since I'm a sack of chemicals,

480
00:28:34,665 --> 00:28:38,205
how do I know what I'm experiencing
and knowing is actually knowable

481
00:28:38,205 --> 00:28:39,795
and therefore nothing is knowable.

482
00:28:40,215 --> 00:28:44,925
And we're almost undermining that
entire scientific schism with

483
00:28:45,225 --> 00:28:53,175
absolute, uh, post-modern or postcard,
deconstruction, uh, relativism are

484
00:28:53,175 --> 00:28:58,125
those are those interconnected because
that's where I'm seeing culture going.

485
00:28:58,125 --> 00:29:00,315
They're saying we're nothing
but a sack of chemicals.

486
00:29:00,705 --> 00:29:01,695
It's all science.

487
00:29:01,875 --> 00:29:05,385
And then the next sentence is,
and so nothing's knowable anyway.

488
00:29:05,385 --> 00:29:06,525
So why does it matter?

489
00:29:06,525 --> 00:29:08,025
There is no such thing as morality.

490
00:29:09,425 --> 00:29:10,235
Absolutely.

491
00:29:10,235 --> 00:29:12,905
And you know, you were
just all part of the.

492
00:29:14,675 --> 00:29:14,915
Right.

493
00:29:14,915 --> 00:29:20,014
We don't have any personal responsibility,
no personal accountability, no purpose.

494
00:29:20,524 --> 00:29:24,665
You know, it's just particles,
wandering endlessly, ultimately

495
00:29:24,665 --> 00:29:26,465
headed to an entropic death.

496
00:29:27,215 --> 00:29:31,895
And, uh, and Hey, you know,
that leads into the culture that

497
00:29:31,895 --> 00:29:35,825
we're in today, where anything
goes, nothing really matters.

498
00:29:35,855 --> 00:29:42,605
And, and the only, um, force is
power and influence and celebrity.

499
00:29:42,905 --> 00:29:43,294
Right?

500
00:29:43,745 --> 00:29:50,705
And so, and, and the truth is what the
authorities or the influencers say it is.

501
00:29:51,395 --> 00:29:53,254
And there's no more critical thinking.

502
00:29:53,254 --> 00:29:56,945
There's no more taking
personal responsibility and

503
00:29:56,975 --> 00:29:59,105
thinking for yourself, right.

504
00:29:59,345 --> 00:30:00,725
We're told what to think.

505
00:30:00,754 --> 00:30:02,135
We're not taught how to think.

506
00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:06,719
And there was an incredible, I don't
know if you listen to Jordan Peterson,

507
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,889
but I'm still, I remember he interviewed
this young woman from that escape

508
00:30:10,899 --> 00:30:14,669
from North Korea and she escaped
by being a sex slave through China.

509
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:15,149
Right.

510
00:30:15,870 --> 00:30:18,840
And, uh, and then she made it
to South Korea and she attended

511
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:19,860
some universities there.

512
00:30:19,860 --> 00:30:23,879
And then she went to Columbia
university and uh, cause her

513
00:30:23,879 --> 00:30:25,379
father wanted her to be educated.

514
00:30:25,379 --> 00:30:28,409
And so she managed to get
herself into Columbia university.

515
00:30:28,889 --> 00:30:31,110
And Jordan Peterson
said, well, how was that?

516
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:34,199
And she said, it was the worst
thing I ever experienced.

517
00:30:34,860 --> 00:30:39,389
It was no, it was like, it
reminded me of North Korea.

518
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,810
Y you were just there to
be told what to think.

519
00:30:45,409 --> 00:30:48,379
You weren't there to
be taught how to think.

520
00:30:49,129 --> 00:30:51,770
And Jordan Peterson was
like practically in tears.

521
00:30:52,820 --> 00:30:56,419
And he's saying you must've had
at least one good professor.

522
00:30:57,495 --> 00:30:59,795
You know, and she said, no, no.

523
00:30:59,805 --> 00:31:02,445
The whole thing was a total waste of time.

524
00:31:02,985 --> 00:31:03,285
Right?

525
00:31:03,285 --> 00:31:10,725
So that is where we've arrived
at from this degradation of our

526
00:31:10,725 --> 00:31:15,735
individual humanity of our, the very
nature, an idea of a soul, right.

527
00:31:15,735 --> 00:31:20,715
That your soul matters and that you
have a soul, no, in this, because

528
00:31:20,725 --> 00:31:27,225
the soul is a resident of the
intermediary world, the soul is not

529
00:31:27,225 --> 00:31:29,685
subject to the constraints of space.

530
00:31:29,865 --> 00:31:33,825
It's subject to time, but
it's not subject to space.

531
00:31:34,335 --> 00:31:41,325
And so the soul actually has its home in
another world, not in the corporeal world.

532
00:31:41,415 --> 00:31:41,835
Right.

533
00:31:42,285 --> 00:31:45,345
But with this, and, you know,
science has moved past the

534
00:31:45,345 --> 00:31:47,175
corporeal to the physical, right.

535
00:31:47,175 --> 00:31:48,405
The strictly quantitative.

536
00:31:48,795 --> 00:31:49,275
Right.

537
00:31:49,635 --> 00:31:54,345
So, and science, you know, is the
scientists are the new priests.

538
00:31:56,265 --> 00:31:57,885
Our world today, right?

539
00:31:57,945 --> 00:31:58,305
Science.

540
00:31:58,305 --> 00:32:00,945
So scientism, right?

541
00:32:00,975 --> 00:32:05,475
It's not like if we look at the pandemic
that we've just been through and the

542
00:32:05,475 --> 00:32:07,215
public health response to it, right.

543
00:32:07,215 --> 00:32:10,875
It was just, Hey, just trust the science,
just trust the scientists, right.

544
00:32:11,805 --> 00:32:13,095
Experiment for yourself.

545
00:32:15,375 --> 00:32:17,205
Just do what we tell you to do.

546
00:32:17,925 --> 00:32:18,285
Okay.

547
00:32:19,335 --> 00:32:21,555
And if you don't do it,
we're going to vilify you.

548
00:32:21,555 --> 00:32:23,115
We're going to, you're
going to lose your job.

549
00:32:23,145 --> 00:32:27,135
You know, we're gonna, um,
uh, what's that called?

550
00:32:27,135 --> 00:32:30,405
You know, when you get wiped off
of doc social media, you're gonna

551
00:32:30,405 --> 00:32:32,985
cancel you write, cancel culture.

552
00:32:33,585 --> 00:32:40,725
And, um, so this is all part of
this authoritative centralized,

553
00:32:41,655 --> 00:32:48,195
you know, uh, propaganda based
what I call Fiat reality, right?

554
00:32:48,255 --> 00:32:51,585
We live in a Fiat world today,
you know, and you want to talk

555
00:32:51,585 --> 00:32:53,025
about finance a little later on.

556
00:32:53,025 --> 00:32:53,655
We can get to.

557
00:32:54,585 --> 00:33:00,405
Into that some more, but that
is where this metaphysics, this

558
00:33:00,405 --> 00:33:04,875
religion that scientists have
created, which is scientism.

559
00:33:05,355 --> 00:33:05,774
Okay.

560
00:33:05,774 --> 00:33:09,465
And it's not the scientific method
again, you know, when you're getting into

561
00:33:09,465 --> 00:33:14,295
things like the multi-verse and super
determinism, these are not scientific

562
00:33:14,295 --> 00:33:16,185
propositions that can be falsified.

563
00:33:16,274 --> 00:33:17,595
They're not falsifiable.

564
00:33:18,555 --> 00:33:18,825
Right.

565
00:33:18,825 --> 00:33:22,395
They're really meta
physics, almost metaphysics.

566
00:33:22,685 --> 00:33:22,925
Yeah.

567
00:33:23,045 --> 00:33:27,485
It's almost as if the wrote a science
fiction book and then they say

568
00:33:27,695 --> 00:33:29,495
here's a science fiction book up.

569
00:33:29,524 --> 00:33:30,514
Now it's the Bible.

570
00:33:30,935 --> 00:33:33,605
Here's, here's a fiction of
what I think might, could be.

571
00:33:33,605 --> 00:33:38,045
And then we're going to build
a bunch of theories around

572
00:33:38,045 --> 00:33:40,115
that and call that science.

573
00:33:40,534 --> 00:33:44,045
And since there's no way to deny
it, there's no way to prove it.

574
00:33:44,045 --> 00:33:46,445
And therefore, this is truth.

575
00:33:47,504 --> 00:33:48,254
Absolutely.

576
00:33:48,645 --> 00:33:48,945
Yep.

577
00:33:49,395 --> 00:33:50,595
And they have the.

578
00:33:51,495 --> 00:33:54,615
Right there, the authors of that fiction.

579
00:33:56,085 --> 00:33:59,655
And so, and we're to just believe
what they say, because they're the

580
00:33:59,655 --> 00:34:04,605
scientists, this is the exact thing
that the scientific method was

581
00:34:05,475 --> 00:34:08,864
first inspired to oppose, right?

582
00:34:08,925 --> 00:34:12,165
Because they didn't want to be told
what to do just by the priests.

583
00:34:13,545 --> 00:34:17,475
Now they are the priests who are just
telling everybody else what to think.

584
00:34:18,614 --> 00:34:23,925
And they're making up fictions
to displace the traditional

585
00:34:24,135 --> 00:34:26,955
understanding of human nature.

586
00:34:27,585 --> 00:34:27,885
Right.

587
00:34:27,915 --> 00:34:29,114
That human nature is gone.

588
00:34:29,114 --> 00:34:30,375
We're not humans anymore.

589
00:34:30,375 --> 00:34:37,335
We're just little electrical impulses that
now we're going to live in the metaverse.

590
00:34:39,385 --> 00:34:39,775
Right.

591
00:34:39,864 --> 00:34:41,094
It's all going to be digital.

592
00:34:41,605 --> 00:34:45,955
See the digital technology world
is actually the scientists and the

593
00:34:45,955 --> 00:34:47,574
technologists, the techno crap.

594
00:34:48,585 --> 00:34:54,165
Recreating the world in their
own image because the digital

595
00:34:54,165 --> 00:34:57,855
world is a closed system, right?

596
00:34:57,885 --> 00:35:01,635
The digital world doesn't suffer from
the Heisenberg uncertainty principle

597
00:35:01,635 --> 00:35:07,245
or the quantum enigma, let's say
completely controlled, closed system.

598
00:35:08,385 --> 00:35:08,805
Right.

599
00:35:08,925 --> 00:35:13,245
Where everything, you know, the
parts do add up to the whole.

600
00:35:13,665 --> 00:35:14,145
Right, right.

601
00:35:14,145 --> 00:35:18,795
You don't have irreducible wholeness in
the digital world, you just have parks

602
00:35:19,125 --> 00:35:21,255
and then they get to define the holes.

603
00:35:22,065 --> 00:35:22,395
Right.

604
00:35:22,395 --> 00:35:22,765
Correct.

605
00:35:22,815 --> 00:35:25,905
The WHQ Les, they get
to define the narrative.

606
00:35:26,775 --> 00:35:27,135
Correct.

607
00:35:27,855 --> 00:35:31,875
And so now everybody's moving
into the digital world as if

608
00:35:31,875 --> 00:35:33,525
this is some kind of liberation.

609
00:35:35,175 --> 00:35:37,935
Actually it's a, it's a captivity.

610
00:35:37,995 --> 00:35:38,445
Yeah.

611
00:35:38,475 --> 00:35:38,865
Yeah.

612
00:35:39,375 --> 00:35:45,245
It's deliberation from, it's
a liberation from the unknown.

613
00:35:45,245 --> 00:35:47,075
It's a liberation from God.

614
00:35:47,075 --> 00:35:47,465
If you will.

615
00:35:48,210 --> 00:35:54,509
It's a liberation from morality, it's
deliberation from, you know, even

616
00:35:54,509 --> 00:35:57,779
in the intro of our show, we talk
about, you know, truth, what is truth?

617
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,509
And I get pushback.

618
00:36:00,509 --> 00:36:03,120
Sometimes people will say like, well,
you know, that's, you know, that's not

619
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,430
truth, you know, that's just your opinion.

620
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:09,569
Or that's just, you know, talk about
something scientific, not something

621
00:36:09,569 --> 00:36:14,520
that's a metaphysical, but it's
almost as if you and me something

622
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,620
measurable something measurable.

623
00:36:16,980 --> 00:36:22,020
But what you're saying is that the
truth is more than a bunch of small

624
00:36:22,020 --> 00:36:27,839
parts that then are, uh, uh, divided
and subdivided to its smallest

625
00:36:27,839 --> 00:36:29,310
form, then put back together.

626
00:36:29,819 --> 00:36:32,670
But it's, it's something larger than that.

627
00:36:32,730 --> 00:36:40,589
And in many ways, going to that
net averse is a means to escape the

628
00:36:40,589 --> 00:36:47,060
actual reality that we live in and the
consequences of that reality that we.

629
00:36:48,255 --> 00:36:48,615
Yes.

630
00:36:48,645 --> 00:36:52,995
And it's getting, uh, there are
fewer and fewer people who know how

631
00:36:52,995 --> 00:36:59,145
to do much in the corporeal world,
you know, to, to move things around.

632
00:36:59,175 --> 00:36:59,475
Right.

633
00:36:59,475 --> 00:37:05,325
I am I out here in the woods of Virginia,
my neighbor next door has a, uh, a heavy

634
00:37:05,325 --> 00:37:10,065
construction equipment business, and
he's got highway contracts, et cetera.

635
00:37:10,095 --> 00:37:10,425
Right?

636
00:37:10,815 --> 00:37:12,105
He can't find people to work.

637
00:37:13,545 --> 00:37:17,865
You can't find trucks to buy
fuel has gone through the roof.

638
00:37:18,705 --> 00:37:19,245
Crazy.

639
00:37:19,695 --> 00:37:22,515
He's got a business in
the real world, right?

640
00:37:22,545 --> 00:37:23,595
Moving stuff around.

641
00:37:23,595 --> 00:37:24,765
It's not bits and bytes.

642
00:37:25,155 --> 00:37:27,135
It's rocks, you know, and snow.

643
00:37:28,865 --> 00:37:32,685
And, uh, and people, you know,
moving stuff, driving stuff, right.

644
00:37:32,685 --> 00:37:35,505
It's not all automated, it's not robots.

645
00:37:36,375 --> 00:37:42,105
And, uh, those businesses are
suffering because we've lost

646
00:37:42,105 --> 00:37:44,475
touch with the corporeal world.

647
00:37:44,565 --> 00:37:45,405
You know, we've denied.

648
00:37:46,245 --> 00:37:50,775
The primacy of the corporeal and we've
bought into the narrative that the

649
00:37:50,775 --> 00:37:55,275
measurable and the physical is where
it's at and that the academy, you

650
00:37:55,275 --> 00:37:59,805
know, and the scientists, uh, everybody
needs to get an education, you know,

651
00:37:59,895 --> 00:38:01,875
be, be, have a higher education.

652
00:38:02,805 --> 00:38:05,445
Um, but, um, no, but Dr.

653
00:38:05,445 --> 00:38:10,545
Richard Smith, but you don't understand
is in the metaverse you can push snow

654
00:38:10,545 --> 00:38:16,005
around too, but just on your digital
tractor, I literally, I have a colleague,

655
00:38:16,035 --> 00:38:21,555
he works with me and my business and,
uh, he told me digital land is going to

656
00:38:21,555 --> 00:38:24,495
appreciate faster than physical labor.

657
00:38:25,605 --> 00:38:25,995
Right.

658
00:38:26,535 --> 00:38:28,395
And right now it is right.

659
00:38:28,425 --> 00:38:32,115
Like I follow the web three in
the metaverse and I have some

660
00:38:32,115 --> 00:38:34,995
authentic interest in it, you
know, and we can talk about that.

661
00:38:35,685 --> 00:38:37,275
I think there is validity to it.

662
00:38:37,275 --> 00:38:40,785
I think there's validity to Bitcoin,
into blockchain and to these ideas.

663
00:38:40,785 --> 00:38:43,875
I think that they do,
you know, potentially.

664
00:38:44,595 --> 00:38:48,885
Help move power from the financial
digital world and the digital

665
00:38:48,885 --> 00:38:50,895
world is natively financial.

666
00:38:51,415 --> 00:38:52,005
Okay.

667
00:38:52,875 --> 00:38:56,565
So everything in the digital
world is a transaction.

668
00:38:58,275 --> 00:39:01,815
Everything you do online is a transaction
and that's getting more and more

669
00:39:01,815 --> 00:39:07,485
explicit, especially now that you have
watching technology where you literally

670
00:39:07,485 --> 00:39:12,315
can have an exchange of value around
data, and you can have sovereignty

671
00:39:12,315 --> 00:39:14,865
over digital assets, which is amazing.

672
00:39:15,615 --> 00:39:16,275
It is amazing.

673
00:39:16,785 --> 00:39:17,415
It's amazing.

674
00:39:17,985 --> 00:39:23,745
And it holds the potential to
get our digital selves, right?

675
00:39:23,745 --> 00:39:28,575
Because we do have kind
of digital analogs.

676
00:39:28,575 --> 00:39:34,185
If you will, it sounds like an oxymoron,
a digital analog, or a digital avatar.

677
00:39:35,220 --> 00:39:38,820
Of our corporeal existences, right.

678
00:39:38,820 --> 00:39:44,400
Everything we do that is digitized is
kind of a piece of our digital selves.

679
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:45,690
Right.

680
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,340
And right now we don't control that.

681
00:39:47,790 --> 00:39:48,090
Right.

682
00:39:48,090 --> 00:39:51,990
That's in all the walled gardens
of apple and Facebook and Google

683
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:55,590
and Amazon and the governments.

684
00:39:55,590 --> 00:39:56,040
Right.

685
00:39:56,100 --> 00:40:04,320
All these institutions and centralized
entities that are, um, you know,

686
00:40:04,410 --> 00:40:07,770
essentially, I mean, it sounds
dramatic, but sucking our digital

687
00:40:07,770 --> 00:40:10,290
blood, you know, that's true.

688
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:11,520
Definitely true.

689
00:40:11,550 --> 00:40:16,890
So the, you know, the idea of Bitcoin
is that you, that was the first instance

690
00:40:16,890 --> 00:40:21,150
of having sovereignty over a digital.

691
00:40:22,545 --> 00:40:26,355
And the potential there is that we
can actually start to own our digital

692
00:40:26,595 --> 00:40:28,575
footprint, our digital selves, right?

693
00:40:28,695 --> 00:40:32,685
Just like, you know, we take our
corporeal bodies and we walk into a

694
00:40:32,685 --> 00:40:35,775
store and we pull out our cash and decide
whether we're going to spend money.

695
00:40:35,775 --> 00:40:38,145
We have control over that
in the digital world.

696
00:40:38,145 --> 00:40:39,615
We should have control over that too.

697
00:40:40,215 --> 00:40:40,575
Right.

698
00:40:40,575 --> 00:40:46,035
We should have sovereignty and assess
that can, you know, go into a store

699
00:40:46,035 --> 00:40:50,475
and leave it and not necessarily
have to leave anything there.

700
00:40:50,895 --> 00:40:51,135
Right.

701
00:40:51,135 --> 00:40:53,895
But instead they know more
about us than we know about

702
00:40:53,895 --> 00:40:56,325
ourselves in the digital world.

703
00:40:56,475 --> 00:40:56,835
Right.

704
00:40:57,435 --> 00:41:02,115
So, um, which is why Bitcoin is not
going to become the new world currency.

705
00:41:05,335 --> 00:41:07,825
That's a big conversation.

706
00:41:08,265 --> 00:41:08,595
Okay.

707
00:41:08,595 --> 00:41:10,905
That's a big, big digressive conversation.

708
00:41:10,935 --> 00:41:13,635
I first, I want to say,
I resonate with that.

709
00:41:13,635 --> 00:41:16,725
I feel, uh, recently, especially over the.

710
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:22,080
Really the last four years, but then
with COVID, uh, the last two years, it

711
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:27,089
felt like most of my relationships and
most of my work has been become, as

712
00:41:27,089 --> 00:41:31,140
I've described it, Mehta relationships
everything's being mediated, just like

713
00:41:31,140 --> 00:41:36,629
our conversation right now is being
mediated by 1, 2, 3, a lot of screens.

714
00:41:36,629 --> 00:41:38,850
I don't know how many
screens I have in this room.

715
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:47,250
Uh, and I was growing tired of the fact
that every everything that I'm doing, even

716
00:41:47,250 --> 00:41:53,430
when, you know, writing or copywriting
consulting, brand consulting, it's all

717
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:56,549
being mediated by something digital.

718
00:41:56,549 --> 00:42:00,720
Even as you said, anything in the
digital world, world, a keystroke is

719
00:42:01,109 --> 00:42:04,169
as micro transaction with the digital.

720
00:42:04,290 --> 00:42:04,770
Absolutely.

721
00:42:05,370 --> 00:42:06,029
Absolutely.

722
00:42:06,029 --> 00:42:06,390
It is.

723
00:42:06,660 --> 00:42:08,009
And they're being captured.

724
00:42:08,310 --> 00:42:08,549
Yeah.

725
00:42:08,580 --> 00:42:13,379
You know, as computing power
expands, um, they're being

726
00:42:13,379 --> 00:42:15,569
mined and that, that has led.

727
00:42:16,515 --> 00:42:22,305
In ways to begin to start businesses
in the corporate Capernaum.

728
00:42:23,714 --> 00:42:24,134
Yes.

729
00:42:24,435 --> 00:42:28,515
It's led me to move out into
the woods over the weekend.

730
00:42:28,694 --> 00:42:34,575
My kids were out tapping Birch
trees to get sapped out of the Birch

731
00:42:34,575 --> 00:42:38,384
trees to make syrup so amazing.

732
00:42:39,105 --> 00:42:43,154
You know, and think about that
experience like two brothers out in the

733
00:42:43,154 --> 00:42:49,185
woods, wiping out how to get SAP out
of trees, as opposed to sitting down,

734
00:42:49,245 --> 00:42:54,115
um, killing, killing in video games.

735
00:42:55,165 --> 00:42:56,935
Why is that something that we long for?

736
00:42:57,325 --> 00:42:58,345
Why, why is that?

737
00:42:59,035 --> 00:43:02,754
Because our nature is corporeal.

738
00:43:03,745 --> 00:43:04,165
Yes.

739
00:43:04,165 --> 00:43:08,214
We, we long to live in the real world
because that's what we are a part of.

740
00:43:09,024 --> 00:43:13,734
You know, we are not physical entities
as the physicist would define us to be.

741
00:43:14,565 --> 00:43:15,315
Hmm, right.

742
00:43:15,855 --> 00:43:18,585
We are not what science says.

743
00:43:18,585 --> 00:43:19,275
We are.

744
00:43:19,845 --> 00:43:25,755
We are corporeal entities that live in
a real corporeal world that have souls

745
00:43:25,755 --> 00:43:30,255
that are not subject to the constraints
of space, but are subject to time that

746
00:43:30,285 --> 00:43:36,045
ultimately harking back to a center on
Ava eternal realm, that is the source of

747
00:43:36,105 --> 00:43:43,425
intelligence and intellect as distinct
from reason and rationality, right?

748
00:43:43,695 --> 00:43:45,825
Reason and rationality logic.

749
00:43:45,825 --> 00:43:48,435
These things like go and sequence, right.

750
00:43:48,645 --> 00:43:52,425
But intelligence happens
instantaneously as what Wolfgang

751
00:43:52,425 --> 00:43:54,405
Smith calls vertical causation.

752
00:43:55,245 --> 00:43:55,605
Right?

753
00:43:55,845 --> 00:44:01,005
And this is how he is before the
fit, before the vertical ascents, he

754
00:44:01,005 --> 00:44:03,195
wrote physics and vertical causation.

755
00:44:03,975 --> 00:44:07,875
And what he says about the quantum enigma,
this is where he first introduced the

756
00:44:07,875 --> 00:44:12,705
idea of vertical causation that this
quantum world that the scientists have.

757
00:44:13,695 --> 00:44:15,315
Um, mathematized.

758
00:44:15,705 --> 00:44:16,245
Okay.

759
00:44:16,695 --> 00:44:20,805
The quantum world is a purely
mathematical world, right?

760
00:44:21,225 --> 00:44:26,925
It's only when there's an interaction with
a corporeal instrument, some corporeal

761
00:44:26,925 --> 00:44:31,185
detector that you get a particle, right?

762
00:44:31,335 --> 00:44:36,225
The wave function collapses, and you
get a particle that, that is actually

763
00:44:36,975 --> 00:44:39,315
hacked of the corporeal world.

764
00:44:40,545 --> 00:44:43,905
The quantum world is an, is
a world of pure potential.

765
00:44:44,445 --> 00:44:45,945
It's a world of potential.

766
00:44:46,665 --> 00:44:47,175
Okay.

767
00:44:47,295 --> 00:44:48,645
It's not reality.

768
00:44:48,645 --> 00:44:49,635
It's not real.

769
00:44:49,845 --> 00:44:53,535
It's just a mathematical world.

770
00:44:53,595 --> 00:44:55,665
So it doesn't have any
corporate realities.

771
00:44:55,695 --> 00:45:02,475
So when the tech sector SI say backup, I'm
gonna pause you say that again, that the

772
00:45:02,535 --> 00:45:06,225
realm of physics is around of potentially.

773
00:45:07,879 --> 00:45:13,520
But the, the realm of, of the  world
is actually reality where those

774
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,020
potentials become realized yes.

775
00:45:18,310 --> 00:45:24,069
In the quantum world, you have mere
pure potency, pure potentia, right.

776
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:26,589
And this is an Aristotelian
idea, actually.

777
00:45:26,950 --> 00:45:29,140
So you have pure potency, right?

778
00:45:29,290 --> 00:45:33,879
And then it's when a corporeal
object of some kind interacts with

779
00:45:33,879 --> 00:45:38,470
the quantum world that a particle
emerges and you get actualization

780
00:45:39,370 --> 00:45:41,500
and that's the vertical causation.

781
00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:45,700
It's actually the corporeal acting
on the physical or the quantum.

782
00:45:46,450 --> 00:45:46,899
Okay.

783
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,390
And it's incorrect to think that this
world, the quantum world, which is

784
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:54,879
a world, it doesn't actually exist.

785
00:45:55,270 --> 00:45:55,600
Right.

786
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,609
It's a pure mathematical object that
doesn't have any corporate reality to

787
00:46:00,609 --> 00:46:02,890
say that you're going to create reality.

788
00:46:02,890 --> 00:46:05,470
How did that quantum
world that leads you to.

789
00:46:06,330 --> 00:46:12,149
You know, speculative fictions,
like the multi-verse, which is

790
00:46:12,149 --> 00:46:13,920
not scientifically verifiable.

791
00:46:14,370 --> 00:46:20,220
So the vertical causation
and the inspiration for

792
00:46:20,220 --> 00:46:21,750
the vertical ascent, right.

793
00:46:21,779 --> 00:46:29,069
Is this idea that the higher, well, that
there is an ontological hierarchy, right.

794
00:46:29,069 --> 00:46:34,080
And that the higher actually actualizes
the lower, not the other way around.

795
00:46:34,259 --> 00:46:34,529
Wow.

796
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:36,930
Wow.

797
00:46:37,950 --> 00:46:42,359
So meanwhile, you know, at
this point, look, ultimately

798
00:46:42,930 --> 00:46:44,970
people have a choice, right?

799
00:46:45,569 --> 00:46:49,140
And to me what's been what
Wolfgang has shown me.

800
00:46:49,140 --> 00:46:54,509
And I believe in why I care about his
work and why I want more people to know

801
00:46:54,509 --> 00:46:59,250
about it is because I think it does
ultimately bring us back to a choice.

802
00:46:59,310 --> 00:46:59,730
Right.

803
00:47:00,089 --> 00:47:02,609
And it's, it's, it's
ultimately an issue of faith.

804
00:47:03,630 --> 00:47:03,960
Right.

805
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:11,640
I believe that the scientistic world is
a faith based religious worldview, right.

806
00:47:12,180 --> 00:47:19,020
Uh, that has, that is attempting
to define truth as only the

807
00:47:19,020 --> 00:47:20,730
things that are measurable, right.

808
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:26,910
That we can touch, smell centimeters,
Rams, seconds, time, space, right.

809
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:39,240
Or we can, uh, affirm what tradition
has affirmed for millennia, right.

810
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:44,940
That we are, um, that we live
in a corporeal world, that

811
00:47:44,940 --> 00:47:46,770
it is the real world, right.

812
00:47:46,980 --> 00:47:53,460
That we have a soul and a,
and that there's even, um,

813
00:47:54,690 --> 00:47:55,770
something beyond the soul.

814
00:47:57,420 --> 00:47:58,529
And then there's something beyond that.

815
00:47:59,595 --> 00:48:04,635
What and Wolfgang being a Christian and
a Catholic would call the kingdom of God.

816
00:48:05,565 --> 00:48:11,115
And so we have to choose what
metaphysics we want to affirm.

817
00:48:11,625 --> 00:48:12,465
We have a choice.

818
00:48:13,245 --> 00:48:16,755
And when I look at it, I'm
not that impressed with the

819
00:48:16,755 --> 00:48:20,745
scientistic metaphysics, with the
technological metaphysics, right.

820
00:48:20,865 --> 00:48:25,365
That as you say, reduces, you know, strips
us of our humanity and makes us just

821
00:48:25,725 --> 00:48:30,255
electrical impulses, interchangeable,
you know, actually burdens on the planet.

822
00:48:31,035 --> 00:48:31,395
Right.

823
00:48:32,355 --> 00:48:36,975
And, uh, you know, we're like, uh,
contributing to global warming now.

824
00:48:37,005 --> 00:48:41,385
And, uh, you know, we, we
should kind of be no plan on

825
00:48:41,385 --> 00:48:42,975
we'd be better off without us.

826
00:48:43,065 --> 00:48:43,785
Absolutely.

827
00:48:44,145 --> 00:48:44,595
Okay.

828
00:48:44,595 --> 00:48:49,635
So, um, if that's the future that
you, if that's the message you want

829
00:48:49,635 --> 00:48:51,165
to give to your children, right.

830
00:48:51,165 --> 00:48:56,505
If that's what you want them to believe,
then you've got the right metaphor.

831
00:48:58,135 --> 00:49:00,925
But we have to acknowledge
our metaphysics, right?

832
00:49:00,925 --> 00:49:07,555
We have to acknowledge where this science,
scientistic ideology and metaphysics has

833
00:49:07,555 --> 00:49:09,235
taken us and where it's gotten us to.

834
00:49:09,235 --> 00:49:13,405
And now that we can see that it is a
metaphysics and that it is an ideology

835
00:49:13,405 --> 00:49:17,275
and that it's not falsifiable and it's
reached overreached, the scientific

836
00:49:17,275 --> 00:49:22,135
method, we have to begin to question
its ethics and its consequences and

837
00:49:22,135 --> 00:49:26,965
whether or not that's what we want
to affirm with our free choice.

838
00:49:27,565 --> 00:49:27,985
Right?

839
00:49:28,615 --> 00:49:34,795
And so this is where, you know, look,
I grew up in Los Angeles, you know, in

840
00:49:34,795 --> 00:49:41,005
the eighties and the nineties, I went to
Berkeley, you know, went on to get a PhD.

841
00:49:41,995 --> 00:49:49,195
Uh, I was not religious, but
having been through the academy.

842
00:49:50,070 --> 00:49:50,520
Right.

843
00:49:50,550 --> 00:49:55,230
Having gotten to the PhD level, sought
the truth, realize that no, they

844
00:49:55,230 --> 00:49:59,040
just want it to be the new priests,
tell everybody else what to do.

845
00:49:59,340 --> 00:49:59,730
Right.

846
00:50:00,060 --> 00:50:03,480
And that this world that they're
going down, you know, this path that

847
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:09,960
they're going down is one of in, in
humaneness and narrative and control.

848
00:50:10,050 --> 00:50:11,400
Yeah, absolutely.

849
00:50:12,420 --> 00:50:12,870
No.

850
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:13,710
Yeah.

851
00:50:14,130 --> 00:50:18,150
So more of us are waking up a little
bit, realizing that we have a choice

852
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:21,960
that we have a responsibility and
then we can return to our religious

853
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:28,260
traditions and we can revisit them and
we can reconnect with them and try to

854
00:50:28,260 --> 00:50:32,880
understand them better and see the value
that they have in them for Catholics.

855
00:50:33,180 --> 00:50:37,620
Like me now is the time it's lent
and we're coming up on Easter, right.

856
00:50:38,190 --> 00:50:45,690
There is such richness in that
tradition of like how to, what

857
00:50:45,690 --> 00:50:48,000
to do during lint and how to.

858
00:50:48,735 --> 00:50:53,445
See yourself better and know yourself
better and become a better person, right?

859
00:50:53,445 --> 00:50:55,845
These are all wisdoms, right?

860
00:50:55,845 --> 00:50:59,355
Wolfgang calls them the CEPI
essential traditions say the essential

861
00:50:59,625 --> 00:51:01,995
essentially means wisdom, right?

862
00:51:02,505 --> 00:51:08,295
That enrich our qualitative
lives, connect us with things

863
00:51:08,295 --> 00:51:10,485
like purpose and truth, right?

864
00:51:11,205 --> 00:51:12,105
Technology world.

865
00:51:12,105 --> 00:51:13,485
They don't want to have
anything to do that.

866
00:51:13,485 --> 00:51:18,585
Just binge watch your Netflix, you
know, binge watch your Hulu, get onto

867
00:51:18,585 --> 00:51:25,455
some kind of in some kind of metaverse
video game world, and just be part of

868
00:51:25,455 --> 00:51:30,645
the endless transactions that we're
going to monetize by the way, you know?

869
00:51:31,035 --> 00:51:35,385
And, uh, don't go out in the
woods, you know, can't make, we

870
00:51:35,385 --> 00:51:36,855
can't make any money off you.

871
00:51:36,855 --> 00:51:40,545
If you're out in the woods, don't
take personal responsibility

872
00:51:40,545 --> 00:51:43,635
for your own health, you know,
just do what we tell you to do.

873
00:51:44,550 --> 00:51:46,260
Don't worry about your immune system.

874
00:51:46,290 --> 00:51:50,340
You know, go eat crap, drink
crap, just get the vaccine.

875
00:51:50,910 --> 00:51:51,930
It's all going to be okay.

876
00:51:52,410 --> 00:51:54,990
No, God says, no, this is no way to live.

877
00:51:55,410 --> 00:51:55,800
You know?

878
00:51:55,860 --> 00:52:03,630
And the escape from that is the
rediscovery of traditional cosmology.

879
00:52:03,630 --> 00:52:07,500
The re-ignite knowledgement of
what it means to be a human being.

880
00:52:08,460 --> 00:52:15,660
So you, and you use the word rejection
of this scientistic ideology, which, uh,

881
00:52:15,810 --> 00:52:20,130
cannot even acknowledge our humanity.

882
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:28,320
So you talk about, uh, you faith,
spirituality, uh, the phrase,

883
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,690
a cosmic, what was that phrase?

884
00:52:30,690 --> 00:52:31,950
You just use it lost it.

885
00:52:32,670 --> 00:52:37,980
Traditional cosmology, traditional
cosmology, besides, besides the fact

886
00:52:37,980 --> 00:52:42,180
that you are coming from a Christian
Judeo worldview and Christian Judeo.

887
00:52:43,665 --> 00:52:49,845
Um, you know, I, I could see how
some worldviews, you know, Hinduism

888
00:52:49,845 --> 00:52:53,565
or Buddhism, for instance, where
everything's just an illusion.

889
00:52:53,895 --> 00:52:57,765
It's just, you know, we're in a
dreamlike state and one day we'll

890
00:52:57,765 --> 00:53:03,405
wake up from this Maya, this illusion,
and we'll integrate with Nirvana and

891
00:53:03,405 --> 00:53:06,615
I'm probably mixing up both Hinduism
and Buddhism right now, I think.

892
00:53:07,065 --> 00:53:16,965
Uh, but they're, they're close so I can
see how that is a complete denial of the

893
00:53:16,965 --> 00:53:23,715
corporeal world to say that we're walking
through a dream is a complete denial.

894
00:53:23,715 --> 00:53:30,275
So I can, I can clearly see how
some major re religious worldviews

895
00:53:31,595 --> 00:53:35,915
really go in line, especially when
you see new, the new age movement

896
00:53:35,945 --> 00:53:38,435
that's spreading across the globe.

897
00:53:39,065 --> 00:53:41,255
Um, new ages, really just spreading.

898
00:53:43,370 --> 00:53:49,910
Uh, you know, this, the blending of
yoga and those spiritually connected,

899
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:56,180
excuse me, the spiritually connected,
um, meditations and traditions.

900
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,570
But what is it that has
led you to say that?

901
00:54:03,290 --> 00:54:08,480
Well, it's the Christians you
day a worldview through Christ.

902
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,720
That is the, the right world view.

903
00:54:11,720 --> 00:54:17,150
That's kind of an audacious thing to say
with, I can't just allow that without

904
00:54:17,150 --> 00:54:23,750
any like backup of, of what brought you
to that point, or why do you think that

905
00:54:23,750 --> 00:54:26,210
why not another worldview or religion?

906
00:54:26,210 --> 00:54:27,770
Why the Christians, your day a worldview?

907
00:54:28,090 --> 00:54:34,630
Well, for me, uh, that is
my native worldview, right?

908
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,470
That is the air that I, and my.

909
00:54:39,345 --> 00:54:44,205
You know, ancestors over the last
thousand years have lived in, breathe in.

910
00:54:44,205 --> 00:54:45,555
It is our land.

911
00:54:45,675 --> 00:54:47,295
It is our spiritual land.

912
00:54:48,375 --> 00:54:48,795
Right.

913
00:54:48,975 --> 00:54:51,375
And it is a wisdom tradition.

914
00:54:51,945 --> 00:55:00,015
So leaving aside for the moment, the
question of, uh, is it the Supreme wisdom

915
00:55:00,105 --> 00:55:09,885
tradition, which is a very difficult
and subtle question and one that can

916
00:55:09,885 --> 00:55:13,845
lead to misunderstandings very readily.

917
00:55:13,995 --> 00:55:14,415
Right.

918
00:55:15,255 --> 00:55:18,075
And especially when it's oversimplified.

919
00:55:18,765 --> 00:55:19,005
Right.

920
00:55:19,005 --> 00:55:22,695
So would I be a Christian Catholic
if I didn't think it was the,

921
00:55:23,415 --> 00:55:25,635
uh, the correct worldview, right.

922
00:55:26,025 --> 00:55:27,225
The Supreme worldview?

923
00:55:27,825 --> 00:55:28,515
No, I wouldn't.

924
00:55:28,515 --> 00:55:29,385
I'd be something else.

925
00:55:29,985 --> 00:55:34,155
So obviously I believe it, but I also.

926
00:55:35,220 --> 00:55:39,270
Uh, Wolfgang himself, you know, one
of the most striking things about

927
00:55:39,270 --> 00:55:45,840
him is he spent considerable time in
India with yogis in his early life.

928
00:55:46,380 --> 00:55:46,830
Right.

929
00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:52,050
And it made a deep and profound
reverential impression on

930
00:55:52,050 --> 00:55:54,510
him that never left him.

931
00:55:55,380 --> 00:56:00,900
And that awakened in him a spiritual
interest in his own tradition, which

932
00:56:00,900 --> 00:56:02,640
was the Christian Catholic tradition.

933
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:03,450
Right.

934
00:56:04,020 --> 00:56:07,800
And so Wolfgang will be the first
to tell us that we have much to

935
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:12,360
learn from the Hindus and from
India and from the yogis that they

936
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,970
take their spirituality seriously.

937
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:16,260
Right.

938
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:23,010
And that we need to rediscover that
same fervency and that same elevation

939
00:56:23,010 --> 00:56:28,830
of the spiritual that he witnessed in
India in our own spiritual traditions.

940
00:56:29,970 --> 00:56:33,840
So, you know, that is what I would say.

941
00:56:34,695 --> 00:56:41,145
That for me, after being on many different
spiritual paths, you know, starting from

942
00:56:41,145 --> 00:56:49,905
the Lutheran church into Berkeley to, uh,
uh, scientism, you know, 12 step stuff.

943
00:56:49,935 --> 00:56:53,745
That was an amazing experience
seeing, you know, the 12 step world.

944
00:56:53,745 --> 00:56:56,625
And I felt like I had discovered
the real churches in America.

945
00:56:57,195 --> 00:56:57,525
Right.

946
00:56:57,525 --> 00:57:03,105
And then spent some time in meditation
and into wisdom, spend some time.

947
00:57:03,135 --> 00:57:07,845
And, um, this, uh, world
called the fourth way.

948
00:57:10,035 --> 00:57:17,985
ultimately, I longed for, uh,
my roots and to bring that those

949
00:57:17,985 --> 00:57:24,615
experiences and that wisdom back to
the tradition that I was born into.

950
00:57:25,515 --> 00:57:25,815
Right.

951
00:57:26,715 --> 00:57:29,895
And also to give me a language to.

952
00:57:31,290 --> 00:57:35,430
Have spiritual conversations with
my own family and my own children.

953
00:57:36,300 --> 00:57:36,630
Right.

954
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:40,020
That's an incredible thing to be
able to actually have a spiritual

955
00:57:40,020 --> 00:57:45,930
relationship and a spiritual language
with which to, you know, make sure that

956
00:57:45,930 --> 00:57:54,330
your children don't get lost in this
physical, you know, unreality right.

957
00:57:54,660 --> 00:58:01,990
To elevate these qualitative
aspects of life, to something

958
00:58:01,990 --> 00:58:03,520
of importance and centrality.

959
00:58:04,210 --> 00:58:04,690
Right?

960
00:58:05,230 --> 00:58:06,820
So that is our tradition.

961
00:58:06,940 --> 00:58:07,330
Right.

962
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:10,780
You know, could I have
gone down into path?

963
00:58:11,140 --> 00:58:13,390
I was going down Hindu path for awhile.

964
00:58:13,570 --> 00:58:15,940
You know, I didn't want to indu
name, I didn't want a guru.

965
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:27,510
So my choice was to go back into
my own wisdom tradition, and I

966
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:29,220
think we can't get away from.

967
00:58:30,359 --> 00:58:34,620
And we should embrace it and
we should rediscover it and

968
00:58:34,620 --> 00:58:38,190
we should uh, revivify it.

969
00:58:38,700 --> 00:58:39,000
Hmm.

970
00:58:40,290 --> 00:58:41,580
As a fascinating answer.

971
00:58:41,970 --> 00:58:42,720
I appreciate that.

972
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:43,170
Thank you.

973
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:45,000
Um,

974
00:58:49,069 --> 00:58:49,970
yeah, I do think,

975
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:59,660
I do think that there is, and we don't
talk about it enough here on our show.

976
00:58:59,990 --> 00:59:06,200
I try to bring it in as often
as I can, but there really is a

977
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,740
spiritual realm that we live in.

978
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:18,319
There is a spiritual reality that
it feels like in Western culture.

979
00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:21,020
At least, I don't know if
bifurcated is the right word.

980
00:59:21,020 --> 00:59:21,710
You've used it a lot.

981
00:59:21,710 --> 00:59:24,920
So I feel like I should use it, but
it feels like it's been bifurcated.

982
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,460
I feel like it's been divided
where we do a lot of things.

983
00:59:29,654 --> 00:59:33,975
Almost irrationally because we do
believe in this spirit realm we've

984
00:59:33,975 --> 00:59:36,495
seen, we've seen dark fig figures.

985
00:59:36,525 --> 00:59:39,345
We've had the dreams we've woken
up in the middle of the night

986
00:59:39,345 --> 00:59:40,424
with a weight on our chest.

987
00:59:40,424 --> 00:59:41,865
We can't be able to breathe.

988
00:59:41,865 --> 00:59:46,065
You know, people have had these,
uh, spiritual experiences and we

989
00:59:46,075 --> 00:59:51,255
had experiences of light where
we feel the presence of God.

990
00:59:51,255 --> 00:59:56,865
We, we, we see miracles, things
that are undeniable with our eye or,

991
00:59:57,495 --> 00:59:59,505
or even interactions with people.

992
01:00:00,134 --> 01:00:05,384
And yet we put that to a side
in culture and we almost act

993
01:00:05,384 --> 01:00:07,965
as if those things don't exist.

994
01:00:08,685 --> 01:00:14,895
It's almost as if in a real life
we, we operate as if we believe in

995
01:00:14,895 --> 01:00:18,855
the spirit realm, knock on wood,
for instance, or whatever other

996
01:00:19,125 --> 01:00:21,375
superstitious behavior you might have.

997
01:00:22,154 --> 01:00:27,495
But then when we have rational logical
conversations like these, like these.

998
01:00:29,265 --> 01:00:31,634
We throw that out the window.

999
01:00:32,265 --> 01:00:36,254
And we talk intelligently where we
say, well, well, I mean, we know that

1000
01:00:36,254 --> 01:00:40,245
all that doesn't exist, no matter
how many horror movies I watched on

1001
01:00:40,245 --> 01:00:42,285
Netflix, I know that that's not real.

1002
01:00:42,705 --> 01:00:45,015
And yet that's what I engage with.

1003
01:00:45,674 --> 01:00:51,254
And so it just feels like this very
self-sufficient industry schizophrenia.

1004
01:00:51,285 --> 01:00:54,274
Yes, yes, yes.

1005
01:00:54,314 --> 01:00:55,154
It's schizophrenia.

1006
01:00:56,024 --> 01:01:00,194
It's schizophrenia to say that
we can't perceive reality.

1007
01:01:00,765 --> 01:01:04,694
And yet we're living in reality
every day we are perceiving it.

1008
01:01:05,654 --> 01:01:06,044
Right.

1009
01:01:06,345 --> 01:01:12,254
But going back to the first preface
to your book, it was like my objection

1010
01:01:12,254 --> 01:01:18,555
to the scientistic worldview is that
it regards the world as unperceivable.

1011
01:01:18,975 --> 01:01:19,424
Yes.

1012
01:01:23,154 --> 01:01:25,615
And it presents it as a Mirage.

1013
01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:32,700
It's the real world speaking.

1014
01:01:32,850 --> 01:01:33,990
It's the real world.

1015
01:01:34,260 --> 01:01:39,540
Speaking of the real world, we
live in a real world and I love

1016
01:01:39,540 --> 01:01:42,300
that you do work in real world.

1017
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:51,380
And oftentimes I personally, I can
tend to bury my head in the sand in

1018
01:01:51,380 --> 01:01:56,870
the real world, because I don't know if
I'll actually actualize my potential.

1019
01:01:56,870 --> 01:02:02,660
I'd rather stay in my dream state
world that, you know, something

1020
01:02:02,660 --> 01:02:05,600
that's happening across the globe,
whether it's in Ukraine or whether

1021
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,060
it's in the wall street, stock market.

1022
01:02:08,060 --> 01:02:09,680
Well, what does that have to do with me?

1023
01:02:09,710 --> 01:02:10,430
You know, really.

1024
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:15,740
And even if, even if I did know what's
going on, what could I possibly do?

1025
01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:18,140
What whatever is going to happen
is whatever's going to happen.

1026
01:02:18,140 --> 01:02:19,610
And that's just my lot in life.

1027
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:26,720
Uh, currently I guess it was about
two weeks ago now it was the middle.

1028
01:02:27,630 --> 01:02:33,030
First week of April, about last week
of March, first week of April, that

1029
01:02:33,450 --> 01:02:37,050
the yield curve inverted, and maybe
people are listening, they don't

1030
01:02:37,050 --> 01:02:38,580
even know what a yield curve is.

1031
01:02:39,150 --> 01:02:43,020
Uh, we can, we don't have to go
into the mechanics of it so much,

1032
01:02:43,500 --> 01:02:46,140
but why is that significant?

1033
01:02:47,250 --> 01:02:48,960
What should we do about it?

1034
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:53,790
And we've talked previously that I
mentioned previously that you work

1035
01:02:53,790 --> 01:03:02,280
in cycles, where are we in the macro
cycle of economics, macro economics,

1036
01:03:02,310 --> 01:03:07,710
or just where we are in the cycle
of the world with geopolitics.

1037
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:14,040
And, and this is kind of a multi part
question, but then I want to ask.

1038
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:20,190
And so what, I don't want to
stay in the physical theoretical.

1039
01:03:20,955 --> 01:03:23,715
World of, okay, it's
going to snow outside.

1040
01:03:23,715 --> 01:03:25,335
I want to know what do I do?

1041
01:03:25,335 --> 01:03:27,135
How do I then go push that snow?

1042
01:03:27,135 --> 01:03:31,455
How do I go and interact
with the physical realm?

1043
01:03:31,815 --> 01:03:37,335
So then not just left a victim
running to the metaverse good.

1044
01:03:38,235 --> 01:03:42,915
Well, uh, you know, yield is, is the
interest rate that you get paid for

1045
01:03:43,065 --> 01:03:45,375
loaning money for a period of time.

1046
01:03:45,885 --> 01:03:49,095
Normally if you're going to loan money for
a short period of time, you'd expect to

1047
01:03:49,095 --> 01:03:52,665
earn less interest than if you're going
to loan money for a long period of time.

1048
01:03:52,665 --> 01:03:52,995
Right.

1049
01:03:53,235 --> 01:03:57,195
And there's lots of different
durations of loaning money, right?

1050
01:03:57,195 --> 01:04:01,395
So the most famous yield curve
inversion is when you have two year

1051
01:04:01,485 --> 01:04:05,955
treasuries from the U S government
paying, you know, say two, two and a

1052
01:04:05,955 --> 01:04:10,335
half percent, and then you have tenure
treasuries from the U S government.

1053
01:04:10,845 --> 01:04:11,145
Right?

1054
01:04:11,175 --> 01:04:16,125
And so recently back in early
April, there was more interest

1055
01:04:16,125 --> 01:04:18,125
being paid per year on the two.

1056
01:04:19,545 --> 01:04:20,655
Then there was on the tenure.

1057
01:04:20,715 --> 01:04:21,645
And how does that happen?

1058
01:04:21,645 --> 01:04:24,134
So you were getting like two and a half
percent on the two year and you were

1059
01:04:24,134 --> 01:04:27,975
getting 2.4% on the 10 year for a year.

1060
01:04:28,065 --> 01:04:31,275
Is it the market that decides
that the market decides that?

1061
01:04:31,575 --> 01:04:31,905
Yep.

1062
01:04:32,205 --> 01:04:35,325
So that's the so-called
inversion of the yield curve.

1063
01:04:35,835 --> 01:04:37,335
And why is this significant?

1064
01:04:37,335 --> 01:04:44,085
Because often times, uh, when there is a
yield curve inversion, particularly when

1065
01:04:44,085 --> 01:04:48,255
the two years are paying more interest
to have a higher yield than the 10 years,

1066
01:04:48,825 --> 01:04:52,455
it's a harbinger of a upcoming recession.

1067
01:04:53,505 --> 01:04:59,085
And so the way that that would happen
is a bunch of people are all of a sudden

1068
01:04:59,985 --> 01:05:06,345
wanting to buy two year bonds more
than they want to buy 10 year bonds,

1069
01:05:06,345 --> 01:05:09,105
which causes the sale price to go up.

1070
01:05:10,095 --> 01:05:13,125
I'm saying that the near
term cost of money, right.

1071
01:05:13,125 --> 01:05:16,095
That then what they can do with that money
is more valuable today than what they

1072
01:05:16,095 --> 01:05:17,895
can do with it over the next 10 years.

1073
01:05:18,375 --> 01:05:18,674
Right.

1074
01:05:18,674 --> 01:05:22,845
So that's essentially saying that
there's going to be less growth, right.

1075
01:05:23,085 --> 01:05:26,774
And so we don't care what happens
in 10 years, we care about what's

1076
01:05:26,774 --> 01:05:29,535
happening in the next two years and
we got to get our work done now.

1077
01:05:29,984 --> 01:05:30,904
So we need that money.

1078
01:05:30,944 --> 01:05:33,315
We're willing to pay more for
it now, so we can get done

1079
01:05:33,315 --> 01:05:35,105
with it the, for the bad times.

1080
01:05:36,194 --> 01:05:36,615
Right.

1081
01:05:36,944 --> 01:05:40,665
So that's the idea of a
yield curve inversion.

1082
01:05:40,935 --> 01:05:44,475
So going back to your other question,
where are we at in the cycles?

1083
01:05:44,865 --> 01:05:45,285
Right.

1084
01:05:45,645 --> 01:05:53,955
I do believe that we are at a, uh,
a 40 year low in yields that dates

1085
01:05:53,955 --> 01:05:59,294
back to the seventies and eighties,
where you had Paul Volcker and the

1086
01:05:59,294 --> 01:06:04,515
federal reserve raising interest
rates to, you know, 20% to try it.

1087
01:06:05,460 --> 01:06:06,600
Tame inflation.

1088
01:06:07,230 --> 01:06:11,700
And, um, I think that, you know,
ever since then, we've been in a

1089
01:06:11,700 --> 01:06:17,070
40 year decline of those yields,
especially longer-term yields.

1090
01:06:17,730 --> 01:06:22,230
And now we are starting to
that starting to change.

1091
01:06:22,350 --> 01:06:22,530
Right.

1092
01:06:22,530 --> 01:06:24,600
We even went into negative yields.

1093
01:06:25,020 --> 01:06:26,670
We're still in negative, real yields.

1094
01:06:26,850 --> 01:06:27,270
Right.

1095
01:06:27,570 --> 01:06:28,740
But, uh, right.

1096
01:06:28,860 --> 01:06:31,140
So that is fundamentally
starting to change.

1097
01:06:31,500 --> 01:06:33,810
And I think that's going
to go on for decades.

1098
01:06:34,890 --> 01:06:38,310
And I think it's what I call,
you know, the end of the

1099
01:06:38,310 --> 01:06:40,590
financialization of everything.

1100
01:06:41,550 --> 01:06:41,730
Okay.

1101
01:06:41,730 --> 01:06:42,120
All right.

1102
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:46,170
A couple of questions though, for 40
years, the financialization of everything,

1103
01:06:46,170 --> 01:06:51,120
the financial engineering with cheaper
and cheaper costs of money, right.

1104
01:06:51,540 --> 01:06:57,720
Has been, um, suppressing the
value of things in the real world.

1105
01:06:58,260 --> 01:06:58,680
Right.

1106
01:06:59,700 --> 01:07:00,660
And so now.

1107
01:07:01,470 --> 01:07:05,400
Money is getting more expensive and it's
going to keep getting more expensive.

1108
01:07:06,180 --> 01:07:10,410
And so things in the real world
are going to be more valuable.

1109
01:07:11,310 --> 01:07:13,050
That's the simplest.

1110
01:07:13,500 --> 01:07:16,380
So you have commodities going up,
you know, stocks will even go up

1111
01:07:16,380 --> 01:07:21,570
for a while, but many stocks are,
are purely financial companies.

1112
01:07:21,750 --> 01:07:25,260
At this point, they don't have real world
assets, you know, maybe they just have

1113
01:07:25,290 --> 01:07:27,600
digital assets, like what is Robin hood?

1114
01:07:27,870 --> 01:07:31,560
You know, what kind of real world
assets does Robin hood have?

1115
01:07:31,650 --> 01:07:33,690
No, they're, they're a financial company.

1116
01:07:33,810 --> 01:07:34,260
Right.

1117
01:07:34,590 --> 01:07:38,370
And so, you know, those facts,
those purely financial assets

1118
01:07:38,370 --> 01:07:39,600
are going to go down in value.

1119
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:41,820
They already have gone down
in value significantly.

1120
01:07:41,970 --> 01:07:42,300
Right.

1121
01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:47,670
And you know, like my neighbor's business
where he's got to move rocks, you know,

1122
01:07:47,940 --> 01:07:51,000
like that that's going to go up because.

1123
01:07:52,525 --> 01:07:54,925
Things are going to have to start
being done in the real world.

1124
01:07:54,925 --> 01:07:59,155
Again, you know, in the corporeal
world, we can't live purely

1125
01:07:59,155 --> 01:08:02,395
in this physical Fiat world.

1126
01:08:02,875 --> 01:08:03,235
Right.

1127
01:08:03,265 --> 01:08:05,635
And Fiat, what kind of
currency do we have today?

1128
01:08:05,695 --> 01:08:05,905
Right.

1129
01:08:05,905 --> 01:08:08,005
We have Fiat currency, right.

1130
01:08:08,035 --> 01:08:10,945
From when Nixon took the
us off the gold standard.

1131
01:08:10,945 --> 01:08:16,495
There was no longer any mourning
to any kind of physical reality.

1132
01:08:16,555 --> 01:08:20,635
I mean, physical, I have to be careful
about physical corporeal reality, right?

1133
01:08:20,665 --> 01:08:24,055
Because we're using physical,
incorporeal in a technical way

1134
01:08:24,055 --> 01:08:26,215
here as defined by Wolfgang Smith.

1135
01:08:26,845 --> 01:08:27,125
Right.

1136
01:08:27,295 --> 01:08:34,915
So, um, so I want to bring back
old is a corporeal, uh, entity.

1137
01:08:35,455 --> 01:08:36,175
I want to come back to.

1138
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:40,200
That's something you said, just
to understand, you said that

1139
01:08:40,260 --> 01:08:44,580
interest rates have been real
interest rates have been negative.

1140
01:08:44,609 --> 01:08:48,480
And is that because inflation
is higher than the interest that

1141
01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:49,470
you're going to go on on bond?

1142
01:08:49,830 --> 01:08:55,290
So you might get 3% on a
bond, but it's interesting.

1143
01:08:55,350 --> 01:09:00,540
There's inflation is 5% you're losing your
real yield is minus 2% your real yield.

1144
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:05,340
And so what that means is interest rates.

1145
01:09:05,490 --> 01:09:07,980
You're seeing that we're
at a 40 or you're low.

1146
01:09:08,940 --> 01:09:13,859
What that means is that interest
rates are going to begin to rise.

1147
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:18,660
So my question is there's been a
lot of talk of, of hyperinflation.

1148
01:09:19,710 --> 01:09:23,670
Do you think that we're heading in a
direction of hyperinflation or do you

1149
01:09:23,670 --> 01:09:28,500
think we're going to see something that
we saw in Japan where there was inflation

1150
01:09:28,500 --> 01:09:30,630
for a while and then as interest rates.

1151
01:09:31,635 --> 01:09:37,335
There was mega deflation and mega
depression, not just to recession, which

1152
01:09:38,264 --> 01:09:40,514
is Japan done digging out of that hole.

1153
01:09:40,514 --> 01:09:41,085
I don't know.

1154
01:09:41,085 --> 01:09:41,654
You would know.

1155
01:09:42,104 --> 01:09:44,385
So is, is that more of the
direction that we're supposed

1156
01:09:44,385 --> 01:09:46,304
to, that we're expecting to see?

1157
01:09:47,144 --> 01:09:47,835
I think so.

1158
01:09:47,865 --> 01:09:52,184
I think the Japan effication of
America is a reasonable thesis.

1159
01:09:53,205 --> 01:09:53,564
Yes.

1160
01:09:54,045 --> 01:09:59,175
Especially if people stop having
children and antinatalism is on the rise.

1161
01:09:59,175 --> 01:10:04,724
So, uh, fear, fear, not, I
don't think that that is going

1162
01:10:04,724 --> 01:10:06,855
to be reversed anytime soon.

1163
01:10:06,855 --> 01:10:07,304
Sadly.

1164
01:10:08,415 --> 01:10:12,735
Uh, what does that, what does
events that were bad for the planet?

1165
01:10:12,795 --> 01:10:13,605
Oh, it's horrible.

1166
01:10:13,785 --> 01:10:14,445
It's horrible.

1167
01:10:14,445 --> 01:10:22,304
I mean, it's horrible episode, 277
folks just talked about that at length.

1168
01:10:22,905 --> 01:10:25,995
Uh, but what does, what does that.

1169
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,560
Well, what, what do I do?

1170
01:10:28,770 --> 01:10:30,270
What are the practical things that you do?

1171
01:10:30,660 --> 01:10:34,020
You learn how to do, learn, how to
build something again, as a victim,

1172
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:43,140
you, uh, I think you invest more
in your local relationships, right?

1173
01:10:43,470 --> 01:10:48,660
And your local enterprises, you know,
you do not have to give your money to an

1174
01:10:48,660 --> 01:10:50,730
institution to put it into an index fund.

1175
01:10:51,480 --> 01:10:55,890
You know, like going back to
this idea of the soul, right.

1176
01:10:56,100 --> 01:10:58,560
I'd like to write a book
called investing with soul.

1177
01:11:00,270 --> 01:11:05,670
So, you know, I think that finance has
been turned into the ultimate machine.

1178
01:11:06,210 --> 01:11:16,230
You know, I think the United States
has, um, uh, kind of lost its, um, its

1179
01:11:16,230 --> 01:11:20,970
moorings and its integrity because of
its exorbitant privilege of being able to

1180
01:11:20,970 --> 01:11:23,100
print the world's reserve currency and.

1181
01:11:24,030 --> 01:11:28,320
And it has become a financial
superpower more than anything.

1182
01:11:28,620 --> 01:11:29,010
Right.

1183
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:34,200
And, you know, we are having trouble
with our supply chains now because you

1184
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:37,860
know, it was all financialized and we
don't know how to build things anymore.

1185
01:11:39,270 --> 01:11:45,960
And so I think that there's this kind
of retreat going on from globalization.

1186
01:11:46,950 --> 01:11:53,370
Some people call it slow realization and,
uh, I think that's going to continue.

1187
01:11:53,730 --> 01:11:57,090
So I think, you know, things
are going to contract.

1188
01:11:58,050 --> 01:12:03,750
Um, things are going to become more
local and I think that's actually a

1189
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:10,620
better way to live, but it's going to
be a painful process because, um, we've

1190
01:12:10,830 --> 01:12:13,080
gone so far in the other direction.

1191
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:22,485
It's gonna be a shock and a big adjustment
to start to, um, uh, Retreat a bit.

1192
01:12:22,785 --> 01:12:24,345
Do you think we will slow down?

1193
01:12:24,615 --> 01:12:29,295
Do you think we'll see the D dollar
suffocation of, of the us dollar as the

1194
01:12:29,475 --> 01:12:33,225
global reserve currency and going back to
gold, you mentioned that gold is called.

1195
01:12:33,225 --> 01:12:35,115
I don't know if it will be gold, but I do.

1196
01:12:35,115 --> 01:12:39,225
I think that's actually part of
what's going on with this war right

1197
01:12:39,225 --> 01:12:41,475
now, between Russia and the west.

1198
01:12:41,825 --> 01:12:43,665
It's really a war between
Russia and the west.

1199
01:12:44,415 --> 01:12:46,605
India has not come out against Russia.

1200
01:12:46,635 --> 01:12:50,175
China has not come out against
Russia, you know, and I think all

1201
01:12:50,175 --> 01:12:54,945
three of them together have some
legitimate beefs with the way that

1202
01:12:55,215 --> 01:12:59,475
the United States is running the
financial, the global financial system.

1203
01:12:59,865 --> 01:13:00,105
Yeah.

1204
01:13:00,465 --> 01:13:00,675
Right.

1205
01:13:01,515 --> 01:13:05,145
And that's a, it's kind of a
terrible power that we have.

1206
01:13:05,985 --> 01:13:14,955
And, um, uh, you know, I am not saying
that, um, we can't recover from that.

1207
01:13:16,094 --> 01:13:21,825
I think we have to rediscover the soul
of what it means, you know, to, uh,

1208
01:13:22,605 --> 01:13:29,835
to be the global superpower, you know,
and we have to act with the good of

1209
01:13:29,835 --> 01:13:35,775
the whole in mind and not just with
our own advancement and power in mind.

1210
01:13:36,735 --> 01:13:42,315
And, um, and I think that, you know,
the financial ism financialization

1211
01:13:42,315 --> 01:13:45,644
of everything which has been
going on for, you know, 40, 60

1212
01:13:45,644 --> 01:13:48,195
years now, um, has gone too far.

1213
01:13:49,304 --> 01:13:56,535
And, uh, so I do think a friend of mine
called it world financial war one, huh?

1214
01:13:57,255 --> 01:13:59,684
Not world war three, not
kinetic world war three.

1215
01:13:59,684 --> 01:14:03,735
It's world financial war, one that
we're in the midst of right now.

1216
01:14:05,075 --> 01:14:11,565
And, uh, so it's going to be a lot more
volatility, a lot more uncertainty.

1217
01:14:12,735 --> 01:14:16,125
Um, going back to what I'm doing in
my professional life, I'm developing

1218
01:14:16,125 --> 01:14:22,605
financial technology to help people
understand risk and to be able to

1219
01:14:22,605 --> 01:14:25,305
factor risk mathematical risk, right.

1220
01:14:25,425 --> 01:14:30,225
In financial risk into their
financial decision-making right.

1221
01:14:30,885 --> 01:14:36,645
And to start to work with risk, you
know, instead of just, as you said,

1222
01:14:36,645 --> 01:14:37,815
sticking your head in the sand.

1223
01:14:37,905 --> 01:14:38,175
Yeah.

1224
01:14:38,655 --> 01:14:40,785
You have to understand the
risks that are out there.

1225
01:14:41,175 --> 01:14:46,395
There are risk signals, you know,
that markets are processing every day.

1226
01:14:46,695 --> 01:14:47,085
Right.

1227
01:14:47,505 --> 01:14:52,635
And, you know, we have the ability to
be savvy financial decision-makers,

1228
01:14:53,175 --> 01:14:56,895
but we have to be looking through
the same lens that professionals

1229
01:14:56,895 --> 01:14:58,665
and institutions are using.

1230
01:14:59,565 --> 01:15:02,175
To understand the world of finance.

1231
01:15:02,535 --> 01:15:05,295
And as I said, I think the
internet is natively financial.

1232
01:15:05,925 --> 01:15:09,735
So, you know, these are things
and again, it's, it's a personal

1233
01:15:09,735 --> 01:15:11,535
responsibility question, right?

1234
01:15:11,565 --> 01:15:14,145
Do you want to abdicate that and
outsource that to somebody else?

1235
01:15:14,685 --> 01:15:15,255
No, thank you.

1236
01:15:15,825 --> 01:15:16,965
You know, right.

1237
01:15:16,965 --> 01:15:20,505
I don't want to put my money into an
index fund because I don't like what

1238
01:15:20,505 --> 01:15:24,915
a lot of the companies in an index
fund are doing and investing is partly

1239
01:15:25,005 --> 01:15:30,915
about creating the future that we want
for our children and for our culture.

1240
01:15:32,685 --> 01:15:38,475
It's not just a passive give your money to
the markets, you know, and beat inflation.

1241
01:15:39,285 --> 01:15:43,365
No, it's about creating
the future that we want.

1242
01:15:43,755 --> 01:15:44,505
Absolutely.

1243
01:15:45,165 --> 01:15:50,715
That's investing with soul absolute
because you're saying I have a

1244
01:15:50,715 --> 01:15:53,625
soul, you know, my soul matters.

1245
01:15:54,645 --> 01:15:56,355
My soul can influence things.

1246
01:15:57,315 --> 01:16:02,325
Even if it might not be, you know, that
detectable, it's still the act that

1247
01:16:02,325 --> 01:16:06,885
matters and you will grow your soul.

1248
01:16:07,095 --> 01:16:14,175
If you act with soul, it
reminds me of what you said

1249
01:16:14,175 --> 01:16:16,425
earlier of, for whatever reason.

1250
01:16:16,425 --> 01:16:22,125
This just struck me that the
quantum realm, the physical realm,

1251
01:16:22,995 --> 01:16:27,915
uh, as the be defined technically
is just a realm of potential.

1252
01:16:29,145 --> 01:16:34,875
And that it's just, and it's when
it is interacts with the  world

1253
01:16:34,905 --> 01:16:36,645
that it becomes actualized.

1254
01:16:37,065 --> 01:16:39,495
And maybe this is maybe Wolfgang.

1255
01:16:39,495 --> 01:16:40,395
Wouldn't agree with this.

1256
01:16:40,395 --> 01:16:43,985
I'm sure he'd be like, well, actually
there's some nuance to that, but it

1257
01:16:43,995 --> 01:16:52,515
feels as if we, as individuals, as
human beings who are created, not

1258
01:16:52,515 --> 01:16:55,005
evolve, not just a sack of self.

1259
01:16:55,890 --> 01:17:02,460
But we are something that's greater than
the atoms that make us the tripartite

1260
01:17:02,460 --> 01:17:05,370
cosmos, you have Corpus, right?

1261
01:17:07,110 --> 01:17:07,830
That's our bodies.

1262
01:17:07,980 --> 01:17:10,650
We have Ani ma it's kind
of our soul or our psyche.

1263
01:17:10,890 --> 01:17:13,890
And we have spirits use
Corpus on AMA spirits.

1264
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:14,910
Yes.

1265
01:17:15,780 --> 01:17:18,000
For psyche and pneuma.

1266
01:17:18,030 --> 01:17:21,540
Sometimes it's called P N E
U M a like pneumatic breath.

1267
01:17:22,500 --> 01:17:22,830
Right.

1268
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:26,820
So act with soul and
beyond soul is spirit.

1269
01:17:27,150 --> 01:17:27,720
Yes.

1270
01:17:28,020 --> 01:17:28,230
Right?

1271
01:17:28,260 --> 01:17:28,530
Yeah.

1272
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,810
Body, soul, and spirit, three parts.

1273
01:17:31,440 --> 01:17:36,360
Don't ignore spirit
and soul just for body.

1274
01:17:36,660 --> 01:17:40,050
And then don't try to turn body
into something purely digital.

1275
01:17:40,440 --> 01:17:41,010
Yes.

1276
01:17:41,580 --> 01:17:42,660
And quantitative.

1277
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:49,514
And when we do that, when we can unreal
live in that mediation, Metta world.

1278
01:17:49,815 --> 01:17:53,355
And, and, you know, you talk about
mediator, essentially mediated finances.

1279
01:17:53,684 --> 01:17:54,735
We're like, well, I don't know.

1280
01:17:54,795 --> 01:17:55,605
I don't know what to do.

1281
01:17:55,605 --> 01:17:56,804
I'm just going to give it a hedge fund.

1282
01:17:57,105 --> 01:17:57,525
I don't know.

1283
01:17:57,525 --> 01:18:00,495
I'm just going to put it into my 401k.

1284
01:18:00,764 --> 01:18:01,485
I don't know.

1285
01:18:01,485 --> 01:18:04,775
I'm just going to trade it on
Robin hood and try to do this.

1286
01:18:04,825 --> 01:18:10,665
I have no idea what I'm doing, that it,
it leaves us in this realm of uncertainty.

1287
01:18:10,665 --> 01:18:13,695
It leaves us in this realm of potential.

1288
01:18:14,085 --> 01:18:18,434
But when we step outside of that, and this
is kind of, you know, a little quantum,

1289
01:18:19,035 --> 01:18:24,045
when we step outside of that and we engage
with the world around us, with the woods

1290
01:18:24,045 --> 01:18:30,554
outside with building something with our
hands, moving rocks or something in front

1291
01:18:30,554 --> 01:18:38,445
of us and invest our life, not just on a
sticker top or a, uh, a stock ticker, but

1292
01:18:38,445 --> 01:18:42,735
we invest our life into people around us.

1293
01:18:43,935 --> 01:18:47,145
Then that is what actualizes,
who we are meant to be.

1294
01:18:47,145 --> 01:18:51,195
And we're no longer a sack of
probabilities or potential, but we

1295
01:18:51,195 --> 01:18:56,355
become actualized into the person that
we were created and packed full of

1296
01:18:56,355 --> 01:19:03,545
breath on this earth to be absolutely
sounds like a good note to end on.

1297
01:19:03,665 --> 01:19:04,295
That's a great note.

1298
01:19:04,715 --> 01:19:10,235
Where can, uh, where can people, I
guess people can find, find you at Dr.

1299
01:19:10,235 --> 01:19:16,415
Richard smith.com they can find, but we're
really here to primarily do talk about

1300
01:19:16,415 --> 01:19:23,375
Wolfgang's work, which is at fellows Phi,
L O S hyphen Sophia, S O P H I a love

1301
01:19:23,375 --> 01:19:26,615
of wisdom below Sophia dot O R g.org.

1302
01:19:26,675 --> 01:19:30,935
The and if you're listening on a
podcast, 2.0 certified app, uh, speaking

1303
01:19:30,935 --> 01:19:33,845
of the web three, you can click the.

1304
01:19:34,590 --> 01:19:35,730
You can just click right there.

1305
01:19:35,730 --> 01:19:38,670
And the link is right there
on your phone as you listen.

1306
01:19:38,670 --> 01:19:39,420
It's amazing.

1307
01:19:39,570 --> 01:19:42,420
And if you're new to Wolfgang's
work, a great way to great place

1308
01:19:42,420 --> 01:19:45,930
to start is with the movie that was
made about his work in his life.

1309
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:49,440
A couple of weeks, about two years
ago called the end of quantum reality.

1310
01:19:50,190 --> 01:19:53,400
Um, it's available on our
website, Philo sophia.org.

1311
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:56,519
You can, and it's also
available at Amazon.

1312
01:19:57,660 --> 01:19:59,640
Well, thank you so much Dr.

1313
01:19:59,820 --> 01:20:02,010
Smith for being with us today.

1314
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:02,810
We really appreciate it.

1315
01:20:02,810 --> 01:20:05,220
It's been a great conversation.

1316
01:20:05,220 --> 01:20:05,730
Appreciate it.

1317
01:20:05,970 --> 01:20:07,080
Thank you for listening.

1318
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:09,990
And I hope that you enjoyed
this episode with Dr.

1319
01:20:10,019 --> 01:20:10,830
Richard Smith.

1320
01:20:10,860 --> 01:20:13,800
If you enjoyed it, I ask
that you go and check out Dr.

1321
01:20:13,860 --> 01:20:20,370
Wolf gang's work and also check out
the floss Sophia initiative, which

1322
01:20:20,430 --> 01:20:24,000
has lots of great content that if
you enjoyed this will enjoy that.

1323
01:20:25,425 --> 01:20:30,075
If you want to get more out of this
episode, share it with a friend by sharing

1324
01:20:30,075 --> 01:20:36,105
it and having a conversation with someone
else about this helps you build your

1325
01:20:36,165 --> 01:20:41,025
society to be something that is strong
to be something that you want to live in.

1326
01:20:41,955 --> 01:20:45,825
And it deepens your relationship
with those around you.

1327
01:20:46,065 --> 01:20:46,665
That is all.

1328
01:20:47,175 --> 01:20:47,805
Thank you.

1329
01:20:47,894 --> 01:20:51,224
Remember, go out and own your future.