Unknown: What, how did you perceive wearing glove? I would
never wear gloves. I hope it doesn't anyone in here. If you
guys work gloves, I do from time to time. I would rather just
lose cows and rebuild them. And I would never
want to do it, but helps your grip better. I what I when I do
it is during the I don't really drop sticks, though colder
months, in the colder months, your my skin will split. Mine
does that? That's, oh yeah, mine splits really bad. Then I'll put
the
Johnny, and I carry tons and new skin around. So, yeah. So we'll
put the hydrogen peroxide in there to clean it. Then we put
on layers and layers of new skin. I might even gaff tape
that up. And then I'll throw on the Zildjian glove on my left
hand. This is the rich Redmond show. Hey,
what part of town Do you live in? Man, I'm living in
Donaldson. Nice, Donaldson
and hermitage is where everybody, yeah, starts, you
know, and then sometimes they'll get away from there, but yeah,
we'll just ride it out. Man, I've
kind of lived all over the place, though, you know, just
uh, pretty much every part of town. I think it's nice to be by
the airport. Honestly, that was like half the reason I'm like,
Man, six minutes from the airport is saves a lot of time
and money, honestly, the amount you fly. But what's
the weirdest smell you've ever smelled? The
well smell? Ever smell well? John and I have been on a lot of
tour busses, so honestly,
our everyone in my band, they're, they're pretty clean,
like, there's no bat. We don't have any weird smells or
anything.
A bunch of metrosexuals on there just covered in Dolce and
Gabbana. What?
Honestly, no, everyone's just clean.
Oh, let's go clean deodorant. And, yeah,
what? Just takes care of them. So honestly, the it's the worst
smell I've ever smelled, and I'll never forget is when I was
Uber driving in Nashville. Oh, my God, it's the, yeah, the
first couple years pretty rough. It was the smell of drunk people
in my car. Oh, 3am that breath, and that's alcohol smell, just
soaked in alcohol. Yeah, it just smells like Broadway. And I'm
just like, I could never get over that smell. So, get
this, it was the other day I got picked up with my Uber to the
airport. And, you know, I ordered it the night before.
It's one of those ungodly pickup times like 445 in the morning.
So this guy is on time. You know, I treated myself. Got a
little black car, so there's a little bit of extra space. He
shows up. I didn't really notice any smell or anything. But then
halfway through the ride, he goes, everything should be
great. Back there, I scrubbed and cleaned and sprayed, but
someone threw up, like, an hour ago, and right where I'm
sitting, like, right where he's like, Yeah, I'm sorry, bro. I
was like, Why didn't you tell me ahead of time? Well, I thought
you might not take the trip. And, yeah, why wouldn't? Why
would you tell me? Anyway, he should have just, like, don't
tell you. Plus they make, like, 300
bucks from that so they can just, I know, take, take a day.
Yeah, I
know a lot of you know Uber drivers. I, for whatever reason,
I prefer Lyft. I like the branding. I like the color. It
just seems like the company culture is, did you drive for
both?
No, I just did. I did Uber because I didn't want to answer
to a boss or do a nine to five. I just wanted to make my my
rent, yeah, practice or do whatever. It
was pretty smooth working for that corporation because it's
faceless and it's hard to get anybody on the phone at,
yeah, it's weird, honestly. And I never contacted it. It's it.
When I did it, it was very early in Nashville, so you barely had
to, like, register. It was kind of sketchy, yeah. But there were
no, like, Uber lanes. It was way before COVID, you know, and all
that stuff so, and it was crazy too. At one point I was just
like, Man, I just like, so I dipped that after about two
years of doing it, yeah, but it was, like, the only time I would
just go out and do nights. Did you do Uber Eats? No, I never
really thought about that kind of wish I did at that point, you
know. But, uh, yeah, I just, I just did it, you know, just got
the new waiting tables, like, because I waited tables, I
parked cars, i i made copies. I did, like, construction. I mean,
you do these things, you know, so, and that's the new version
of it, because it's totally flexible. You could work
whenever you feel like it. That
was me. I just didn't want to have to, like, hey, I need a
Thursday and Friday offer a gig. Yeah, I don't want to answer to
anybody. The
other one is, like, people work at the pearl factory, you know,
or they'll work at innovative percussion wrapping mallets, you
know? Yeah, so that's cool, man. Did you do that too? I didn't
wrap mallets. No, I was a substitute teacher, so I taught,
were you really K through three to me, K through three, you can
still make a difference. And they're like, Hey, Mr. Rabin.
Mr. Rabin, when is what can we go out and play on this? And
like, Yeah, I'll come out. Like, I'd get on the jungle gym with
him and stuff. Yeah, that recess. And they'd like, Oh,
you're so cool. And then like, what are we gonna do now? Nap
time.
We're gonna nap. I would have loved you as a
teacher. I feel like that would have been a lot of fun.
Honestly,
I need to ask you, does this smell like chloroform?
Get up. You got the sounds too? No way.
Oh my gosh, Jim, try to use some of the. Dark horses that we
don't use a lot today. You got
the air horn on the
Oh, yeah.
That always reminds me of a predators game. Yeah, you know
when I teach kids shuffles, because it's like, you're great
at shuffles because you're a big band musician. We're going to
talk about that. But there's shuffles aren't on the radio
anymore. So I always say like, Hey. You know when you go to a
football game or a hockey games, like, damn,
I say that's a shuffle. Kids,
yeah, it's a triplet. They've heard it. They don't
know. It's just they say, Why do you think that is? Why do you
think it's like, yeah,
why do you think I mean, unless you're almost, like, nearly
every pre, early version of Green Day had a shuffle on it.
Yeah?
You know what I mean, yeah. And,
you know, it's funny, because in the Huey thing that I'm doing,
which is may 28 in the city winery of Nashville, I like how
you drape the fourth wall, just like Mr. Roper. I just look
right at the camera. Yeah, they said because, you know, huey's
music has so many shuffles, yeah. And the guitar player, he
says, You can't find many drummers that can do a good
shuffle, yeah, anymore. It's a dying so I'm committed to it.
I'm doubling down. So
with your gig, we got Jonathan boswick in the house. He's a
Ohio native, from Dayton, Ohio, big rock and roll town, Guided
by Voices the pretenders. And he was telling me, the fun capital
of the world are one of them the Ohio players. Yeah, you started
playing drums at age 12. You went to the Cincinnati
Conservatory of Music, that's a mouthful. And you studied with
John von Olin. He's still alive. Um,
no, he passed away a few years
ago say that on his wiki, really, I should. I should? I
mean
if, if, for people who know him and are aware of who he is, he's
a big deal. So Woody Herman
drummer, Stan Kenton's drummer. And he always had a when I was
at North Texas, we would always try to find the perfect Big Band
ride symbol, yeah, would have a bell. Would have a wall symbols,
man and ding, ding. You can do the dang. Cut through 17 guys
and let them know where the beat was. And I love that, that you
were a jazz cat. I mean, we're gonna have to dig in and talk
about that. But since 2021 you know you're fresh meat, you've
been touring with award winning country artist, Parker McCollum.
I love the guy because he's at the crossroads of big Nashville
machinery, Texas, the Texas thing, the singer songwriter
thing, you guys did Parker's burn it down. Headlining tour,
you've been direct support on Morgan wallins one night at a
time. World Tour, you performed direct support for George Strait
at his record breaking show at Kyle Field. That had to be
amazing. That is the largest single ticketed event in US
history, 102,000 people. Man,
so, so fun fact, Zildjian, when I, when I got my Zildjian and
big first endorsement, yeah, they like, butchered my bios.
I'm not hating on them, but yeah, that was just like, that's
pretty funny. I don't care. Is
that the correct bio that I have? So it was 110,000 110,000
but, uh, I think Zach Brian just beat that record for a show he's
doing in Michigan or so, wow, like, 112 I thought, either way,
it's crazy, like, man, it was wild. Yeah, for at least 30
minutes, we had that whole crowd, because we got to play
for at least, I think, like, over an hour. We had a good
time, that's what. Yeah, it was fun, man. And I remember just
looking up and going, man, everyone's here. This is, like,
the it was cool. And I wasn't, I wasn't nervous. It was just fun.
All
the cool people in Texas are here playing massive crowds is
not usually nerve wracking. It's when you have to do like, the
softest press role in your life for like five of your
colleagues, and they're like, right there, yeah. I mean,
that's the kind of stuff that makes me nervous. Really. I
get honest, I genuinely get more
nervous and care more about how everyone in the band feels.
Like, I want everyone to come off the stage saying, Hey, that
was a great show. High five, yeah? Like, the I've never
really gotten in my head about the crowd size, because what I'm
really caring about is, like, making sure everyone here on
stage that feels good, yeah? Like, I honestly get more
nervous in a club than, like, a stadium or an arena, yeah,
because every you can see everybody stadiums are so it's
weird. They're so far away. Still, kind of,
do you pick out somebody to kind of focus on the quadrants, like,
there's a blonde, there's a brunette, there's redhead here,
those cool looking dude right there with his kids. Sometimes
I'll
stare at people, but then after a while, I'm like, Oh, wait,
they totally notice I'm staring at them. Even in an arena, I'm
like, they totally I feel like they're looking at me. And I'm
like, Oh, this is weird. Okay, so I, you were trying to vibe
them out. Yeah, sometimes I really, like, try to commit. I'm
like, No, I'm looking at this person. I'm not breaking and I'm
like, no, they, they're looking right at me too. Though this is
weird.
You got a nice setup. I mean, you've got, like, very musical,
dark symbols. You got some K's up there. I love the case. And
you're saying, Vic Firth. Vic Firth makes a nice drumstick. We
love Vic. Very consistent. And then congratulations, you got
this craviato Drum deal? Thank you, man. I mean, it's a big
one. I remember Chris McHugh. We did some shows. There you are.
Everybody loves cravio. Everybody's making a great drum.
That's the thing is, like, even like, if CB, 700 Is around,
they've had to up their game. You know what? I mean,
everybody's making great stuff, other otherwise you don't
survive. But I remember, years ago, we were doing support for
Keith Urban, and Chris McCarthy was like, come on, check out my
new tub. So I go up there, and I'm, you know, I'm like, I'm
like, yeah, they're nice. They sound like drums. But he goes,
he goes, guess what? Guess how much these are? And I was, like,
$8,000 ago, $12,000
I remember when he sold that whole setup too. Yeah, sonar. He
made a switch. Yeah, he switched to, I think sonar, at least I've
seen him playing that, yeah,
sonar is making a cup. Yes, they're, they're, they're being
aggressive. And then what do you do for
heads? Uh, man, Remo, I just, I, that's the one thing I just,
everyone's like, man, just do Evans live. It doesn't matter.
I'm like, I know no one can tell ahead I'm using blah, blah,
blah. But I'm
like, I just love Remo. There's a soulful quality to Remo. I
just, I love
it, man, yeah, it's such a good drum head. And to me, it's, it's
just, it's a huge part of making even a better kit feel amazing.
I just, I just have to have them on there. I just do, I will not
compromise on that one. I love that. I love
that about you. And you've done all the TV shows. So fun doing
the CMT and ACM Awards tonight show. You got the fallons, you
got the kimmels, you got CMA fest. You guys do the Houston
rodeo with the spinning stage stage coach that used to rodeo.
I mean, there's a lot of rodeos out there, but that is like the
premier.
Like, that's the one man, as far as I've been told, you know,
well, we've done the San Antonio
rodeo before. That was kind of like, it was like, no offense,
San Antonio. We love your restaurants. We love your water
walk, your your river walk. But, I mean, the Houston rodeo is,
like, it's,
it's from everyone, what everyone tells me, because,
again, I'm from Ohio, yeah? So when I was doing all this Texas
stuff, I was like, I some of it. I'm like, Yeah, this is huge. Is
a big deal, but what's the gravity of and they're like,
Dude, this is, like, the biggest rodeo
in the country, yeah? And I'm like, oh, and they have, like, R
B night, and they have country night, and they'll have, yeah,
it's not just a bunch and it's like, it just packs out with
that, with the fans of those genres, and you're playing
right in the middle of the rodeo arena, on the dirt, yeah? Like,
like, the
band will schlep it out and the dirt, you know, yeah. And then
we'll go out, we'll get into place, right? And there's this
anticipation. The crowd can feel it. And then usually the artist
will come out on some sort of a truck or something, yeah, you
can
ride the whole stage, moves out into the center of the dirt.
It's like, this giant rig that they it's, I don't, I forget how
much it is. It's, like, a couple million dollars. It's nuts.
Yeah, I
saw it the other day. You had, like, the the fingers that came
down, yeah, like
the big it looks like, maybe, I don't think star. It's
like a sun. It's like, straight out of close encounters. It's
like, yeah, it looks like a shit. It's like, like a mother
ship. You know what I
mean, is that there permanently, or they just do it once a year?
Oh, once a year. Yeah, okay, yeah.
But it's that same one. I'm pretty sure it's the
thing where, you know, Jason, sometimes he'll get salty, and
he said, he said some blue words before, and they were like,
you're never coming back. And every year he comes back. So
pretty amazing. So where's the rest of the band? Is everybody
Nashville based? No, I'm the only one that's Nashville based.
So how does that work with travel?
Um, the the crew side of things is a lot bigger now. There's,
there's actually a good chunk of Nashville people involved now,
but when I originally joined, I was pretty much doing like a
weekly commute to Austin. I'd fly in there, and then I'd Uber
about 30 minutes to Bucha, Texas, and
they cover all that. Yes, sir, yeah.
They were in the what do they call that? The hills, the Hill
Country?
Yeah, I think so. I still don't know my Texas geography that,
well, that's a beautiful area, but, uh, yeah, but beaut is
boring. I was in like a, I was in like a, like a warehouse lot.
There was a backline company. Those guys are they would let me
come in and they, like, sometimes even feed me there. I
was, like a stray dog. When I, yeah, I'd get there, like, six
hours early, 10 hours they just hang out. The manager at the
time would fly me in, like, super early. I don't know if
that was just for convenience or whatever, make sure you get
there. But I was just rolling with it. So I'm like, cool, and
I would just spend my day till buzz call in a warehouse lot in
Bucha, Texas. Yeah, but yeah, just flying. And then I'd fly
back home at Austin every week pretty much
so Ohio is not known for Mexican food. So have you developed the
Hey, I, you know what? I grew up near a really good Mexican
restaurant. Oh, did you restaurant. Oh, did you, yeah,
nice. My buddy Alejandro, his Alejandro dad ran it, and it was
fantastic. Did
you the street tacos with the cilantro and the onions and all
that? Yeah, it was, like,
a normal kind of, like, Mexican restaurant. I had, like, all the
burritos, like, kind of wherever you go, but they did it
just really nice. There's really special about Tex Mex though,
you know? I mean, oh my
god, yeah, I've had a bunch of it now, and it's, oh my
goodness, it's amazing. I love it so much, dude,
so great. So I'm so glad, man, you know, you just told me, you
just, you're just about turned 30 years old. And, yeah, January
turned 30. Oh, last 30, yeah. And, you know, you got
everything lined up. This gig is not going away. I mean, this kid
Parker is going to be doing this thing for
20 years, at least. I think so. And I know that feels like it,
man. Um, at this point I've been in it for a couple years now, so
sometimes I have a hard time telling you know, I see
everything is good, and it feels like it's moving that way. So
does everybody get in the in the band along smashingly? Oh, yeah,
man. And I love that band. Those Those guys have been amazing to
work with. Um, yeah. And we have two new members that joined, and
they just even, even brought it home even more. Yeah, yeah. Man,
fun. Totally great.
Jim, any questions so far?
How was this? You know, we were talking about the smell before.
Oh yeah, yeah. Weirdest smell. Did we dig in deep enough for
you?
I don't know. Well for us, I don't think we did. We're
relatively
you know, we got it down. I mean, we I got I
can relate to what you're talking about, the smoky alcohol
smell,
but it didn't even smell like alcohol. It smelled like alcohol
that didn't sitting in your stomach right for a couple of
breath. That's that alcohol breath, because
I remember the the worst smell, like, what would be the weirdest
smell for me, other than Bradford pear trees, which
smells like piss and fish?
What? Maybe that Iggy Pop guy? He probably smells weird. Oh,
there was
like, you know, when he used to play clubs, remember what?
Because in Nashville, I don't think they permit smoking in the
clubs anymore, right? No cigarettes. So back in the day,
the good old days, yeah, in the 90s, when I used to play,
getting home at three, 4am and dropping your pants to go to
bed, and that whoosh, the smoke comes out of every smoke, and
the the alcohol was like, oh my Yeah.
And then you're drunk, dropping your pants. Yeah,
from Yeah, because you'd just throw them off. You want to get
the bed,
you know. Wait, I don't mean to be you're downstairs. Smelled
like alcohol might.
No, I paid, uh, clubs, I know, but they said and you'd smell
alcohol like you'd smell alcohol down there,
alcohol and smoke and all that was like,
what? So when you open up your drum cases the next
cigarettes that too. I'm glad not to have gear that's covered
in cigarette smoke, yeah, but something about a smoke filled
club,
though, we lived through it, and we lived through you could smoke
on airplanes. Honestly,
I would have, I would have loved to rip a heater on a plane. Man,
that'd be, that'd be nice
smoking in malls. Remember smoking in That sounds lovely.
I know maybe we'll get back to that. Yeah,
in this world, it's so everything is just so PC, and
it's all the fun. It's gone
too soft, man. We gotta bring cigarettes back into public
spaces buildings. There's a
part of me that agrees, yeah, man, or at least we have gone
soft. The
BNA has a Hoon lounge, a what smoke lounge. Like, who am I
real? Yeah, yeah, um. And, like, a it's, I forget which wing it
is, but if you happen to be over there, you're like, Man, I
really want it like a cigarette. Just sounds good right now. You
can walk in there. I don't do it too often, but it also, like,
that's
one thing I have never put in my mouth, actually.
The other we went up to an Elks Lodge, I want to say Madison,
north of Nashville, see a friend's band, yeah. And it was
one of these things where, you know, if you remember, they
allowed smoking inside. And it was like, this is kind of
nostalgic,
yeah, it is. And the second hand smokes kind of nice, yeah. My
grandma smoked like, two packs a day. So whenever we go over
there that smell it, whenever I smell it, I feel like I'm home
in a weird way, my parents room, it was just my grandmother's
house. But whenever I smell that, I feel like my grandma's
and it's comforting in a weird way, secret
smell that is embedded in 70s vinyl cars. 70s vehicles, vinyl.
Yeah, that's what I grew up with. It's hard
to get out
my parents, man, my mom was a nurse, and this, like, this the
strangest thing, but they would both, they sit on either side of
me at the dinner table, and they just puff smokers in my face,
yeah. Like, that's just a normal thing. 1976 Yeah. So I started
playing drums in 1976 you said age 12, that does that wasn't
very long, though that was,
well, no, I, I started playing drums. I was like a little baby,
yeah? But, I started playing in church around 12 years old. Oh,
that's when I
church is such a common thing now. So like, every Sunday
you're playing in church.
Yeah, I play the main service. I remember doing like, the youth
band, and that was huge for me, because my parents didn't want
me playing bars or anything. And our church actually had, like, a
really good, not a music program, but just the musicians
that were involved in the youth band and the main church band,
like a lot of them, went and did something musically. It was, it
was a really cool time to be there, when that church was,
like, doing really well, um, it was, yeah, it was fun. And
that's contemporary
Christian music, like Michael W Smith and that kind of stuff,
yeah, that's, that's what I grew
up on, like, um, the early Hill song records, CCM music, Michael
W Smith, pretty much name any early CSM artists we grew up on
that, like the Live worship records. And
isn't that crazy? That's all recorded here.
Yeah. And, man, those, those CCM records, are recorded there. To
me, they're some of the best sounding records ever made,
really, like, like, some of Michael W Smith stuff just
sounds so damn good, yeah,
we had Scott Williamson in here, incredible CCM session drummer.
Yeah, he does all sorts of stuff, but he gets called a lot
to do that stuff. We were just talking about that record that
he played on Jesus freak for DC talk, yeah, dude, it still holds
up really well, dude,
I had a VHS tape of that. That album was like the. And the live
record that changed my life when I was a little kid, that was,
and I remember, yeah, I yeah, I love that. That was playing back
beats, doing that kind of stuff, right? Yeah. And then, so, when
did the, when did the jazz? What did your parents do? Did they
play music? Or how did you get into the jazz thing? Man, um,
I can tell you exactly when, uh, when I was a really little kid,
I would go to the library and just get, like, 20 CDs. I'd grab
it from every genre, just because, for me, it was just fun
to, like, it's free, yeah. And just to, like, sit behind the
drums and just play the music. And just, I loved how my brain
felt. It just felt so reactive. And just I felt so free doing
it. That's cool. And I got a record by an artist named Jamie
column, yes, he's a British Jazz Pop artist, yeah, and he's got a
song called photograph on there, and the piano solo. That's when
I was like, I love jazz now, yeah. And just started listening
to that a ton, and ultimately fell in love with it, not
because I wanted to make a career out of that and moved to
New York, but I just loved how it made my playing, my playing
field. It made everything so much easier to play, yeah, and
it was just, and just being able to learn how to express
yourself, you know, spontaneously with other people,
I think, is so valuable. And, yeah, that was just such a fun
time. From there through basically college, I studied it
and was obsessed with it. And then I moved here, and I was
like, all right time to shift gears and learn the national
thing.
Back beat it up. So the Cincinnati conservatory,
conservatory for music. It's a mouthful city, University
of Cincinnati, which is also a mouthful too. You can't really
win either way. Art gore
and John Van all and so did you have to audition to get in?
Yeah, it was a pretty selective program. And this isn't, this
isn't saying much for me, because I was still, I was wait
listed and put on academic probation. But I think out of
the 3000 people that usually applied, they took 300 Oh, wow.
And it was really, I loved it. It kicked my ass, man. But, but
ultimately, once I got, like, once I got accepted and went to
that program, I was there for about three years and
but three years you're so close to graduating,
not if you're, if you're, if you're on the right track, the
way they had the curriculum set up. And basically I there was
one class I didn't pass, and because of that, it offset my
whole schedule for the four years. And because of that one
class, it was realistically going to take me six years to
graduate. Yeah, and, and I still got a ton from the classes. All
the All, everything was accelerated. So I was doing, you
know, we were doing jazz theory. We also had to do a mandatory
minor in classical theory, all the ear training, all the sight
singing, all that stuff, screaming, dude, yeah, and like,
here's the key, here's the music, sing the melody. Oh,
dude, you know that stuff, or,
um, I'd stay up all night working on that kind of Yeah,
because I am not a natural Yeah. Your music school, you, but
you're, but you're a natural singer, and you sing background,
yes, sir, in park in Parker's band, which, which is great. So
it's probably not sight screaming for you. You were
actually saying no. But
that really helped that stuff, I think, go from just like a raw
ability that I got from my mom or learned in church and stuff
to it. I didn't really notice how much of an effect positively
my schooling took until I was a few years out of it, yeah, and
doing, like, the stuff I'm doing now, and just how much better it
made my ear and those kind of things, being
able to scribble out a chart, because you Yeah, rhythmic
notation, and actually
write out, you know, the exact rhythms that's like, your exact
rest and everything that you're 99
point something more prepared to face anything that gets thrown
at you over Yeah, a lot of guys, yeah. There's a lot of guys, as
you would that have amazing careers that just must white
knuckle it, because they can't write down a reminder for
themselves what the rhythm is. So they must have look at the
brains on Brad, you know, like,
you know, from, from, like, they need a charting course or
something. Yes, I feel pretty
lucky. My parents were, they were very good about, you know,
because I wasn't really good at much else. Like, they just, I
was immediately gravitating towards drums and music. And
they were really great about, you know, when they could
getting me drum lessons, you know, drive me to con all, all
the things to, you know, get a proper education. That's the one
thing they could understand. Well, it's like, if he's going
to do this, he needs a good education with it. Yeah, the
other stuff we don't get, he'll, that's him, you know, in terms
of, like, making music and doing the creative thing. But, um, I
was really grateful, from like, sixth grade on to, you know,
have a teacher just literally do the, you know, just go through
the actual flow of a stroke when you're playing the drums, sure,
and do all the basics and really learn that stuff and and
thankfully, like, I have my wrists feel, still feel great. I
haven't messed up my hands. Yeah, I don't have any
tendonitis. Yeah, everything still works good, you know, just
strict. You
feel like you have anything like that.
I think that any drummer my age at that plays the way I play is
gonna feel things, you know, and you're
working, man, you work harder than I do, like partners,
music's different, yeah, you know, Jason's me, like you're i.
You're going for blood every night, where
this has, like a motorcycle gang, yeah? But, I mean,
there's a way to to look like you're hitting it and you do it
hard, but when you let the stick kind of take the blow, yeah,
yeah, there's a way to do that in the grip that you're holding
it right. And I drop,
I mean, I drop a lot of sticks because I, I'm, I'm barely
holding on, yeah, I've got the fulcrum where you pinch the
fulcrum, then you use these fingers to kind of control and
drive the stigma that you don't constrict it, yeah? And you got
to use your wrist, and also all the right stuff that you learn
from, or playing orchestrally, pulling timpani, yeah, pulling
off timpani, pulling all that stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah. But
Jim, yeah, I wake up in the morning, you know, with my left
hand, kind of like so like, really, yeah, yeah. You just got
to shake it off. You run it under hot water. You have a hand
massage. Put some bio freeze on. I have a I bought the Big Daddy,
Thera gun, and I used to have
those. I lost it.
We have a hand, but you stick your hand in this thing, and it
actually inflates. So, you know, I've been shaking the rust off
myself, and I'm hitting harder and I've ever hit, yeah, I'm
breaking all the sticks. For some reason, my hands feel fine.
They get a little tired, yeah, but I don't feel anything like
carpal tunnel II, you know what I mean. But that hand massager,
what a difference. The
only time my hands were ever, like, consistently, like
hurting, and it was just from, like, playing so much and just
having to, like, work and just try to, like, you know, like,
make it, you just keep things going, pay the bills. Was
playing Broadway. That's a lot of playing with my friend's
band, and then, and then drum line in high school for a season
where I marched snare. Did
you ever kind of what? How did you perceive wearing gloves?
Would gloves, where work, it or help?
Man, I hope I would never wear gloves. I hope that doesn't if
anyone
in here, if you guys, work gloves, I do from time to time.
I would rather just lose cows
and rebuild them. And I would never
want to do it, but helps your grip better. I what when I do it
is during the I don't really drop sticks, though colder
months, in the colder months, your my skin will split. Mine
does that though that's Oh yeah. Mine splits really bad. Then
I'll put
the with Johnny, and I carry tons and new skin around. So
yeah. So we'll put the hydrogen peroxide in there to clean it.
Then we put on layers and layers of new skin. I might even gaff
tape that up. And then I'll throw on the the Zildjian glove
on my left hand.
Honestly, that might be a safe because mine do the exact same
thing. And there I'm talking, like, huge splits. Yeah, I don't
know why, but whenever we tour in the winter and it just, you
get through it, or you forget about it during the show. But
what's happened? Man, I usually get them, like, right along,
like my finger, or along, it's like my fingerprint, where the
little crevices are the fingerprint,
really, so along the along the print, yeah, it's,
it hurts, man. It sucks, playing with it. But you, I mean, I
forget about when I'm playing, but after I'm like, I realize it
again. I'm like,
What about doing the tape thing? The gauze taper on your like,
Alex Van Halen, I did super
glue for a while, really, just because it was just because it
was just like, you know, fuck it up
during the show. I mean, Johnny will get out to strips of gaff
tape, that's smart, and I'll just wrap gaff tape. And it
always happens here on the pinky, because it's, you know, I
don't see your smallest finger, and it's soaking up all this
shock from from back beats sticks
draw your fingers up too. Yeah, man, can't win. It's a tough
one. So
you just learn to deal. And you know, we're so involved in in
that happy place. And you know, music is taking us over. And so
sometimes you're, you're playing the gig, and you look down,
there's like blood all over your drums. You've cut yourself. You
didn't even know when you did it. Yeah, you know, it's
amazing. Or the
cymbal pinch. I've only done this a couple times, but it's,
oh my god, you got to pinch the symbol, yeah. And then are like,
hint and pinch. And then you Whack, whack your finger, like,
that shit out of you. Oh my god. And then you got to keep
players, like,
screaming. So for this, you ever hurt yourself and scream,
no, I just, I just try to keep moving while you're playing. No,
I just try to keep moving. Yeah,
I'm saying, and then I gotta talk.
Why is he saying, Mother,
you've got all those damn mics back there. Because you've got a
count, a real mic. You've got a Yeah, bitch Mike, you've got
all, you know, yeah, I
got a, I got a vocal mic for and, but we hired a singer this
year, so, and honestly, it was great news for me, because I was
singing every song, and on top of that, doing count ins, you
know, and cueing, you know, songs, and doing the set, you
know, just all that stuff kind of, and it, it's been a lot, you
know, and learning it at first, because I never did that when I
joined them, and they're like, oh yeah, we need you to, like,
count off all these songs, or that cue stuff, like, in the
show and, yeah, and also, like, singing on every song. And I was
like, Man, this is like, Q stuff, yeah, just like chorus up
here, you know. Or, you know, we might have a song like the
Houston rodeo. We had the outro, you know, on, um, his song, burn
it down while he's on his the horse, riding around, doing the
thing, yeah, and the stage is spinning and he's going the
other. And you're kind of, like, trying to and then there's a
dude in your talk back who's going, all right, he's off. And
then, like, All right, guys, we're going out and what four
more measures, yeah, like, you know, this is it kind of doing
that kind of stuff. And we're directing traffic. We are, we're
traffic cops. But then I was singing on every song too,
so be like,
like, it was stupid, man. That'd be really interesting with your
posture, breath support. It made
me think about that stuff. Yeah, a lot more. Again, it was, it
was great, like, really making sure I, like, sitting up
straight, you know, and and just being like, Man, I'm gonna
breathe so much more. You know, some of the shows I would get a
little light headed because I'm like, Oh my gosh, this is a lot.
But, yeah, figuring that out. But yeah, they hired a new
singer named Aubrey sellers, who's fantastic. Yeah, I know
their name. Yeah, her, her father, forgive me, I forget his
name, but he produced Parker's recent record. Her mom is Leanne
Womack, oh, okay, but she's awesome, and she's in the band
now. She's on tour with us full time, and she's being fantastic.
Jason sellers,
yes, yeah, yeah, that's produced
part. And then
she sang on the record too. So it's just, it's perfect man and
and I can only sing like a female so much, you know, I was
always seeing all these high parts, you know, I can only
sound so like, yeah, you know. And having a real woman sing
real female parts, yes, I'm so happy. Are you doing falsetto or
Yeah, I was singing on top all the time. And I, you know, just,
I grew up around my mom. She had a really beautiful falsetto. And
I guess I just kind of, what your folks do. You know, my mom
was a stay at home mom. She worked for the county clerk's
office in Springboro, Ohio for, I think, a second, and then my
dad worked at fifth, third bank. Okay, for most of I think of us
being raised in Dayton, and then we moved to Centerville, just a
better school system. We were homeschooled back in Dayton and
moved to Centerville, Ohio, and that that's where I kind of grew
a lot musically, because they're like, alright, he loves drums.
We got to get them all into a better, you know, better school
district or school system. And so once I went there, and
Centerville High School had an incredible music and arts
program. Oh, that's great. They had so many bands and so and
that's where I just flourished. And I just ran with it, yeah?
Because so much fun. You
got stage band, you got pep band, you got the orchestra,
yeah, marching band, that's five
Symphonic Band, and they have the orchestra and the actual
band come together and you have competitions.
And I did that too. I mean, I tried to do it, all of it, man,
I had zero interest in athletics. I wish I had been
more of an athlete. As a younger person, I'm way more of an
athlete now.
Yeah, you're an athlete. Bad son. Do
you do marching band? Yeah? Eight years marching bands?
Pretty
athletic. Yeah? Pretty kidding me. They call us the band geeks.
You know what I mean? It's like, Yeah, but the guys in my band
are like, there's a difference between being in a band and
being in band. But
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that's insane, dude, but you also did,
what'd you do? A speed skater?
Yeah, right. Substitute teacher speaks. Didn't you watch his
document? I was also,
no, he has a documentary. We filmed the documentary. I gotta
watch this now. 22
I don't know if it's holding up. I mean, maybe were
you, like, competitive? It was, it was, it was
a photograph in time. It was, I wrote down. I wrote down
photograph from mentioning it before. It was
a snapshot of time. It was a snapshot in time, friends for
like, 19 years. Yeah, and we met initially because I was
interested in voiceover, which I ended up pursuing and doing
stuff for me. Just like while I was because I've been here 28
years, so, which is really strange. By
the time you were there for when you and I met, you were there
for about nine years. Yeah,
yeah, wow, Jim, yeah, I've known you longer than not knowing you.
You know? I mean, that's crazy. It's really crazy. It's crazy,
it's crazy, crazy, it's crazy. So, so your parents were
supportive. Amazing. That's fantastic. Who's your first drum
hero?
My first drum hero could be a jazz guy,
man. I think one of my real first, you know, drummers that I
saw on a professional scale where I was like, really doing,
I was just like, yeah, that's it. That's I want to, I want to
be like, This guy was a guy named Teddy Campbell. Oh yeah,
yeah, man, fucker on the voice he did. He was in the first
american idol band. And I just, and back when American Idol was
like crazy, you know. And and our family, my mom, like
everyone in my family, sings, so we'd always watch American all
together. And, yeah, could all together. And yeah, could take
the singers, or my mom was a vocal coach too, but yeah,
watching him play with that band, man, and play every
different song and style and just deliver
Yeah. Nate Morton is the new Kenny Campbell.
I love yeah for the voice. Yeah Nate. He's great, man. And
then he, you know, that band was Cher's band. And then they go
and they go, and they also do all the ESPN awards, all these,
I don't know, athletic award shows. They're the gram he's in
the Grammy band. So whenever you see someone doing the Grammys
that doesn't obviously is not playing the tracks, yeah, that's
the Grammy band they so this, this last Grammys. They had 80
cues, and it was Nate and like Leland scar Sklar playing, yes.
And I have my first session coming up with the Leland scar
next Wednesday. I'm tracking four songs, and then the tracks
are getting sent to Pasadena, California, and he's gonna put
bass, yeah, on my tracks. Man,
what do you think? So, make sure he's dancing first situation of
politics and Americans again. Oh,
yeah, no, I
yeah, I avoid those conversations. Here's the
tracks.
Also, what do you think about Tesla you own? When you
get a buy one? Do you own anything? Again, you know, going
back to what you guys talked about, you were talking about
drumming in the cold, and it brought back a an image, yeah,
because I was a big neil peart guy, yeah. And I believe it
might have been in Modern Drummer. Had to have been
because there was no Internet back then. There was a picture
of him bundled up. I guess they were doing an outdoor Jones
Beach type of amphitheater show, right, yeah. And he had, like a
hat on scarf around, playing outside. You know, I guess they
were doing a sound check or whatever. And I'm going, how in
the world you gotta love it. You gotta play that music for three
hours. In what 40 degree weather, the space heater on?
Maybe, I don't know. I did. I couldn't he was that a big Oh,
you could tell he's smiling, but he only had his eyes showing
through. Yeah, and it's a classic. You could probably find
it on, on the on the Google, good lord. But my gosh, wow,
yeah, yeah, we imagine, man. So
you guys will probably do it, if you haven't done it yet, but
they'll put you out on the the veranda at 30 rock outside the
Today show. Oh, I hope not, man, the winter, and we would be out
there and it would be like, you know, like, five degrees or
something, and we'd be like, Oh my God. And so they would, you
know, the staff would pass you around these, yeah. And then you
gotta do, you gotta do the thing you
play to, like, a live, recorded performance. Or, do you guys do
it live or live, live.
We're lucky that for 20 years we have been the go to live, live
band, which is, which is always nice, you know, how many people
do that? But, you know, we just did the opening of the national
final rodeos in Vegas. And we, we mime to attract, you know,
but, but, you know, I write everything out, yeah to the
track, so I'm hitting it so that no one can ever tell Yeah, and I
just tape it to my bass drum. You could do the same thing,
because you know how to read music. I love you for it. Man.
That's amazing. I made a difference for you, right? I
mean, oh yeah. What did you do? You've been here eight, nine
years before you got Parker's gig for the first six years, or
whatever. I know you were supplementing with Uber, but did
you do anybody else's gig? Were you playing around town? Yeah.
So any funny stories the Uber thing
was only when I first moved to town, because I, I was just, you
know, I didn't realize how nervous it was about trying to
meet people. Because I was like, well, these people could be my
friends, but they're also people I might gig with. And so that
means my friends are people I'm making money with. And so
there's and, you know, I was, I was really bad about going out
the first couple of months, but then I finally met and they
become lifelong friends. A bunch of them, a girl named Rachel
hoarder, guitar player named Seth Cook, another guitar player
named Riley Bria. Seth Cook, yeah, great guitar player, man,
he's filled in with a bunch of people. Incredible him and
Riley. Riley Bria is absolutely like, incredible guitar players.
They were my roommates at one point, but I met them, and then
the singer, Rachel hoarder, incredible singer, and she was
really great at getting stuff downtown on Broadway. And
finally, like a spot open to play drums, the other drummer
couldn't make it, so I started playing with. Them. And we do
every Tuesday at old red, nice. It was great, man. We played
from like eight to one or like midnight, and that was just we.
That wasn't the priority for us, but we're like, man, we need to
pay our bills. I'd rather do it playing music, yeah, and playing
with, you know, great people. Who else so you
could pay your bills, playing four times a month at old red. I
lived
very cheap, you know, I, you know, tell
very, very, you know,
do you regret not getting out there sooner? Like, how long did
it take you to start getting out a couple months? You said, Yeah,
I
was just, I was just initially worried about the initial shock
of, like, oh my gosh, I have no money. Like, I don't even have
the right size drums for any gigs, you know, or the right
symbols. I had stuff from music school
and but you're, you're an extrovert. I think I
totally am. I think just moving here, just the, you know, the
financial pressure at the time, and just just figuring out life
too at the time, but it was just because it's
more expensive than it was 28 years ago, 100% and you could
live. I've
been I was really good at finding cheap rent, you know,
and I could get people, you know, that was pretty easy to
get along with, you know, and finding, like, a decent space
with other musicians sometimes. And like, my first place I paid
rent and was like, 200 bucks, yeah, one month, yeah. And it
was a full house. It was like two other people. I can find
cheap rent at the time. Great life
skill, life hack, yeah, because I got, I got all my students
that I teach, like, yeah, they're in their meeting. Don't
need
to pay $1,800 a month for an apartment. And they're like,
Where should I look?
I'm like, Well, you know, most people like to go south, you
know, Brentwood Franklin, you know, or you can go up to
Hendersonville, or, you know, you could be right in the heart
of it all. You could be in East Nashville. But some places
aren't safe. So, you know, I
never, I never really thought about safety, yeah, or anything
either. I lived in one part of town that was like frequent the
house behind was abandoned. There were meth heads living
there, and they burn their shit there so you could smell that.
Did
they like to hear, listen to you practice? Yeah. Well, the
only reason I moved there is because the dude that owned the
house, his parents owned it or something, and he lived there,
but had a studio in the garage, but it was during COVID. And I'm
like, well, well shit, I can, like, record here. So, you know,
that was, like, my real motivation. The room was
terrible. Everything about it was terrible, yeah? But I was
like, Man, this is great. But then there's gunshots constantly
at this gas station on the corner, and there are always
cops there. But I just ignored
it. The guy that owns the gas station trying to find good help
to work that place.
Dude, it's and the other guy that was his angle, the other
guy, he would hear the gunshots and be like, I'm gonna go check
it out, make sure people are safe. I'm like, What the hell,
man, I'm gonna go into the frame. I'm like, what kind of
hero? And at the time, I'm like, man, like, you must have good
health insurance or something. Like, what are you doing?
So 200 bucks for a house is this word of mouth?
Man, I just Yeah. I would just find places like on I'd look on
marketplace, and if I found a house that looked cool, they
always wanted, like, yeah, come over and let's let us meet you
first. And I think most of the places I found that people
thought I was like, Hey, he's a really nice guy. He's not, you
know, this is fine, you know? And, yeah, I could just, I don't
know, honestly, half the time, I don't know how, looking back and
just hear about a place, you're like, Oh, really. Like, yeah,
man, I'm looking for a spot. How much is it? Man, it's like,
really cheap. This much, I'd be like, Oh, it. But I've lived in
a couple places where it was like, man, like, during COVID, I
lived in a house that, like, I got sold. You know, I had to
move a couple times during COVID. It was a mess. But I
lived at one house, and it was a little weird, the dude who owned
it and stuff like, but I was just again. I was just like,
locker bedroom. I was all just focused on just gigging and
playing and just hustling and then, and then trying to, like,
just pay the bills.
Was your mindset coming to town? How many? How many years were
you going to give it?
I wasn't thinking about that. I remember. I remember at one
point, though, a couple years in, having a real conversation
with myself and going like, man, if let's just say on the side
that things don't work out, you're only going to get older.
You need to, at some point, decide when you need to not take
your goals away, but supplement some things to take care of
yourself. I remember thinking about that a couple years like,
like, five years ago, yeah, and not even because I was an issue.
I was still young, and I'm like, I can take it. I don't have to
make a lot
of money right now. You still are young. Oh man,
thank you. Thank you. Don't ever think you're wrong. Thank you.
30. I love 30. I'm very excited for the 30s. But yeah, 30s are
good.
Yeah, when you hit 30, it kind of feels like, Oh my god. It
feels like how it feels my parents 20s probably felt in
terms of economy and just everything, yeah, feel like it's
the new 20s. What was
your big like, first big break, Big Shot gig that you felt like,
okay, there's something going on here. It
was, did somebody have a shot before Parker? No.
Parker was. It's honestly that that was the, the biggest
opportunity. I. Forgot for me, it was like I said, playing on
Broadway every Tuesday. But then I was also, and when I wasn't
doing that, I was playing with other people on the road. It was
a lot of, like, mid level act stuff, you know, nothing crazy.
A lot of vans, just like the typical kind of thing, or a lot
of pickup trucks too. A lot of these love to tour and pickup
trucks, just
like, there's only you could only fit maybe four people.
Yeah, married the big some
of them had the big cat, but yeah, it was. It'd be a small
band, or be also running tracks. They'd pull a trailer. And any
of these dudes I played for, they always would drive the
whole time. And they, sometimes these dudes would drive like, 30
hours straight. What? Yeah, it was wild man. Some of these
country boys can
drive just forever. I wouldn't let anybody else drive, no.
And honestly, if anyone ever asked me to drive and I didn't
really know the guys, I would take the latest one at night,
and then I would just jerk the wheel really hard a couple times
and scare them, and they didn't really know me, some of these
guys I'd play with, and that way you could just go, and they'd be
like, Yo, dude, you're terrible at driving, like, because I
didn't want to drive. You know, if it was with homies, I would,
I was happy to, but if it was just like, hey, there's just a
gig, I just, you know, this is last place hard
to ever drove, hard to get any sleep. Or even just, like, even
just close your eyes, like sleeping on a plane, if you
don't know who's driving and if they're going to stay awake,
you know, I guess that the same kind of thing on a bus, though,
too, yeah? But these guys,
now, the drivers, those guys, I trust my life with our driver.
Yeah, I never worry about that guy. You never hear the rare Oh,
yeah. Honestly,
I gotta, I gotta our we have a great driver. I never really
hear rumble strips. No, I never he's fantastic. If you do,
you open the door. You going, Hey, man, what's up?
If they're really riding them? Yeah, see the coke. He needs
something good. Yeah.
Do the busses have, like, lane assist? Lane Keep Assist. I
don't know that stuff now,
no, but I talked about it with our driver. I was like, I'm
shocked. They haven't integrated that into busses, adaptive
cruise control, all that stuff, just to kind of jump in for an
emergency. But newer model prevos,
they probably do. You ever do the shotgun, you know, and watch
the America? Oh,
yeah, I ride up there all the time with our just hang out with
our drivers. Rarely I
do that and but in recent years, it's like, man, hey, there's,
there's this whole other world up
here. Massive window, amazing. Yeah, that'd be great. I love
doing that more
often. I could see myself driving a tour bus, like, if I,
you know, life was different. I just wanted to kind of have
purpose and wake up. Did all the things I want to do. I'm just
gonna drive a tour bus.
Yeah? But you got, you got a piss clean though, man, that's
not fun. That's fun, if you're good with that, then, yeah,
that's the best job ever. Can't have your gummies. No gummies.
Yeah? No gummies, nothing. You can't really, yeah, no, no, it's
pretty
good money too. If you have like, three days off, I think
you
can, you there's like, one of those days you can drink as long
as there's, like, two days after some rule or something.
Oh, it's the drinking too. Geez, that's crazy.
I again, I don't, I don't know.
And, no, they, they,
you know, show yourself up. You can if you get you can if you
get caught, yeah. Now we've always had
great drivers. In our early days of touring, we had this amazing,
God rest his soul. Tour manager, The Wiz, and he was, I remember
him. He did tons of time with the Doobie Brothers and Travis
tritt, and he was curmudgeon, Frampton. He's a total
curmudgeon, but that was his seat, up up in shotgun. No one
else. No, that was his spot. So that ate up years of my touring
career. So,
so if you sat in that seat, what do you get? Like, you're
like, Richie, go back to your damn bunk. What?
Yeah, so that actually happened here. You guys are, you know,
you're pretty much the reason why he's getting paid. People
are coming to see you guys, so he pulled that card on you, like
he postured to you guys, and said, Get out of my seat. I've
been doing this longer than me.
Well, he was an older gentleman, yeah? And it's just out of
respect for your elders, you know,
yeah. But for you, what do you have, like, a Nobel Peace Prize
or something? Did he like cure disease? Or
you have to meet the guy who, like, you know, he was,
he was, I met him. I met him on occasion. And it was like, All
right, I get you, yeah, I see what you're doing. Just make it
work. You've been doing. You're just salt of the earth.
He's like, I don't want to do this anymore, but I'm doing it.
This is all I know how to do. Yeah? What? Yeah? Is that kind
of a thing, you know? Oh, my God, he had done decades and
decades. He had lived through the golden age of rock and roll.
And you know, he was worn out. He was in and he was still
going, still gone. I should be retired on a beach in Florida by
now, but I'm still on this frigging bus smelling your
smokey pants. Got to invest but
I'm glad I met him one night at the red door, because that was
the last time I saw him alive. When was that? This was, God, at
least a decade ago. I
thought you meant this was, like, recent, like you said, I
was like, good, no, you gotta remember,
I've been with these guys in this band, you know, since for
26 years. That's right, yeah, you've been, you know, that
crazy man. That's nuts, I
know. So you get a deal with Kravid. I. Shadow. That's cool.
We brought that up earlier. Chad Cromwell,
he's the ANR guy. He was
in LA actually, so I didn't get to see him, but, um, but you
will, I saw Sarah, uh, Harry hung out with him. Chris
McCarthy, yeah, dude, he's, he's been very good to me, man, since
I've met him, I'm
gonna need a kit for my, you know, bedroom. I'm gonna need a
kit. Not me. I'm just saying, is that your
position? I was like, hey, the deal isn't that good. I mean,
do you kind of, can you go in and be like, Hey, can you get me
one for this? This, this, you know, whatever
you want. I went to the factory today and to get my first kit my
nolensville, yeah. So I went there and they just showed me
the whole process and everything. And are they
building them out there too? Yeah, yeah. Awesome warehouse,
man. It's it. It felt so cool to watch them do this dude. It
just, everything is done by hand. And watching the two guys
they have bending the shells, yeah, the whole it's, it's
awesome. It's, I'm so excited to get a kit made.
But, um, making you a custom kit? Yeah, I can take the
lugs and everything, and colors, bearing edge everything. And I
talked with a Chad yesterday on the phone, and we kind of went
over that, going with a maple kit, you know, going with what I
know, for the first one,
they measure the bearing edge and the flatness of it on like
it was a piece of granite or something like that.
They don't know. I don't know. I know they cut their bearing
edges and stand them all by hand. Though, amazing, really?
Yeah, and they're like, perfect, though. Those they have a they
have the standard 45 they have a 38 I think they have, I don't
know if this is, this is theirs specifically, but it's a hybrid
edge, like a 45 hybrid. So it's a little rounder. Yeah, really
excited to try that out,
I guess would mute the head a little bit more from
again, I was learning a lot too, because I've never had the
opportunity to place so many different varieties, or be
exposed to the opportunity to try different varieties of these
kids and just different bearing edges. I think the smoother,
like 45 I think it as gives it a warmth, if I'm correct, yeah,
would you say that? I don't know. You don't know.
I mean your guy with bearing,
if you have an angular
45 degree edge, but 45 is a sharp, the sharp, so 45 hybrid
is a little more round, so I assume it warms it up a little
bit. Yeah, attack, yeah, attack, and probably overtones and ring.
Man,
any drummers watching this are gonna have no respect
for me. These guys do not deserve their drums.
You think about it, it kind of makes sense when you think about
that surface area and touching of the head, if you put a little
finger
on it, if you got a larger area that's rounded, touching the
head, yeah, that's gonna have a different tone than it's just a
short
surface area touching the head or coming off the show. I still
can't remember. I talked about how much I love Remo. I still
can't remember the name for the two ply and the name for the
single ply. Every time I go to a drum shop, it said emperor and
Ambassador. Is the Emperor the two ply, or is the ambassador? I
can't remember. That's my whole freaking life. I can never
remember.
So no ambassadors, as amazing as they sound, and it's nice to
have, especially on a jazz kit or on a jazz kid, like the
fibers can
apply correct do not remember.
Think of Ambassador. A comes before E, so a should have 1e.
Has two. Yeah, that's why, that's why I think I got that's
how I remember
it. What do you say about the letter A? And
think about emperors. Emperors are fat,
double ply, that emperor. What about ambassadors?
They're like in the early part of their careers, like, Hi, I'm
ambassador. You know, they're just, I can remember
fat emperor? Remember that? Yeah, fat
emperor, double ply, I'm looking up a friend of mine's, um,
Facebook, page, yeah, because he likes to make fun of the
terminology that drummers use, especially because he's a
singer. Yeah, Rob Jackson, he he used to work at a music store
back in Danbury, Connecticut, and he's been in amazing bands
all through his life. He sounds exactly like Getty Lee. He's in
a rush tribute band, but he basically, kind of, he says, you
know these drummers, you know, when you talk about dry and wet
symbols, what the hell are you guys talking about? You know,
what are you talking about, bearing edges? Why is that so
important? So he's somewhat kind of throwing shade at drummers,
but I think he's genuinely Yeah, well,
let's see him sitting on his gig without a great drummer.
Anyways, well,
you know his drummer, Lou Calderon, that's right, yeah.
What's up? Blue Cal de
Rolo, yeah, we became something happened with his Facebook page?
You got hacked or something. And he's really, he's trying to,
we're trying to become friends again. You're probably too young
for
Facebook. No, I grew up on, I had MySpace as a kid.
Oh, he did every year, a real kid, but I was in my 20s. When I
did it, yeah, I was born in a 95 Wow. You could be my son.
Do you have that crazy? No, no, I always pull out.
Hey, listen, I like you man. But you know, yeah, we can just be
friends, be adopted. I'm 30. I forget. Wow,
yeah, Jim. When. I didn't say anything, huh? You're done
talking about pulling out. Oh,
geez. Well, you know, we gotta, I
mean, I can move in and live here's a great place, man, dude,
this is huge. I love it out here.
A lot of people will, you know, I won't tell them the story, and
they're like, geez, this is like a it's like a plantation or
something.
It looks like a person who owns their land. It's like in their
home the American flag. This is, I want to I loved, I lived in
whites creek for a little bit on seven acres, and I loved it.
Man, so you're in Donaldson or hermanage, I'm in Donaldson.
Okay, Donaldson, but, um, no having, having a couple acres on
a property in a long driveway like that, just away from the
road. Man, is perfect. I
love just speeding up that driveway. It's so fun. You ever
see me, Jim,
I might have, you know, the first
thing I thought I'm like, Oh, he likes kayaks. Oh
yeah, I forgot to take that off. What's that all about? I love
kayaking. I just I went yesterday, and I forgot to take
it down, and I was in a hurry today.
So we're driving all the towns. Any like I go
to Percy priest, but you can go an hour out of town. There's a
couple good places to put in, couple good rivers. I haven't
done any of those out there yet right now, just go to Percy
price. I just dump in there and
just saddle around. I mean, it's a little scary. I mean, did you
ever see deliverance? I don't think so. What happens in that
so many things. I mean, I'm not
jumping out of the out of the kayak, but, you know, a lot of
banjo miles
McPherson does some kayaking. I believe, you know the decision,
yeah,
does he
really, yeah, yeah. That's his thing,
dude, a real talk. I have a couple buddies been trying to, I
want to get a kayaking group together, like a kayaking
drummers group, or music musicians kind of thing, because
I have so many buddies like, dude, let's go. And we all keep
missing each other. And there's like, six people, we all been
trying, we keep missing each other, trying to go kayaking. So
some practice pads on the front of it, yeah,
park your car, and then you launch into the thing, and then
you got to remember where the heck you to come back to, yeah?
But I'm not, like, going, like, 20 miles away. You know, he's
not going 20 miles off shore. I'll go around some of the
islands, or I'll, I'll go up to one of the islands, like, have
lunch, you know, just chilling. Wow. It's just nice, man. Pack
a little, pack a little PBJ. We
did the inflatable days, inflatable kayaks. We did that
for a while. Those are great,
yes, yeah, I couldn't do them personally. I like, I like my
pongo. It's a mango colored pongo. It's
convenience, because you they're easily transportable. But then
when you get there, you got to blow them up, and then when he
you got to deflate them. That's the biggest issue.
Yeah, it feels like you just, it looks like you just can't
commit,
you know, right? You're putting your toe in the water. I've
seen dudes on the road, though, on tour, they they'll take one,
and that's where I wish I did have an inflatable one, because
we've been in some really great places in like Oregon. I'm like,
dang, I would love to go kayaking volunteer.
Oh, my God, for four months a year. I was just out in Seattle,
and we got some sun, yeah, that was nice. And they're like,
yeah, it's three and a half months a year, gorgeous. And
then the rest of the year is like, it's like, the movie, the
ring. Yeah, you know, we're just rains, and there's the girl
coming out. It's England. It's Birmingham, England. Yeah, it
is, yeah, it's not my thing. I know you would, yeah, I would, I
would, I would not thrive
there. You would not. There's a certain kind of person that
that's for Alaska is the same way,
yeah. But also, what Alaska has is 30 days of night, and that's
when the vampires come out and they feast on every I
would love 30 days a night. That sounds kind of fun. I'd
say it messes with people's heads.
I mean, I've gone on a night in college. I remember going to,
like, a night shift at one point, on accident, yeah, like
before I moved to Nashville, like, I dropped out of college,
and I just started, if I'm not careful, when I have time off,
I'll stay up late. And next thing you know, like, watch the
sun come up, then you sleep. And yeah, next thing you know, on
your total night schedule, yeah. And it's the weirdest thing. And
then flipping back is even harder.
Flipping back is hard because, yeah, My gal is touring, you
know, total vampire schedule. So what do you do on the road for
Do you have any rituals? Do you have, like, a like, like, a
fitness thing you like to get into? You smell the roses, you
go to the local coffee shops, record shops,
no man, just hang out with the band for the show? Yeah, we just
go to the green room. And, no, we're not crazy. We're all just
hanging out, talking or just making each other laugh, just
cracking jokes. But you
don't like to get off, get off, get get some sun, or see the
city, or look where you're at. Um,
if we're in a spot, I'm like, genuinely, like, wanting to go,
yeah, explore around. I'll do that. But sometimes, like, at
least this during the winter tour, I was just, like, either
in the bus, it was so cold I was in the bus, or, like, on stage.
Oh, yeah. But, um, yeah, if we're in like, a cool part of
town. Like, we'll be in Florida next weekend, and so, like,
definitely gonna go to the beach. Try not to get sunburth,
though, because I'm gonna We're in Florida ever. Yeah, we're
playing Tortuga, wherever that's
the festival. Well, that'll be great, because you'll be parked
right next to the stage, and that's on the beach. Really good
live. Nation. Festival, and you will be on the beach, and let's
go. Brian O'Connell does an amazing job with that. The food
will be top notch. You'll probably have a masseuse,
there'll be a video game lounge, there'll be someone to cut your
hair if you want to get a haircut. It's one of those ones.
Really nice. The good festivals. Really good festival. Stagecoach
was pretty good. It was like that amenities. Everything.
That's where Coachella is, man, oh yeah, that's right,
Lauderdale,
yeah, Tortuga, but we're flying it. I'm flying into Miami,
though, for no reason, really, yeah, I don't know why. That's
what it says. She loves Miami. I think I need to call my tour
manager and be like, hey, is this right? I
think you're only 20 miles away. Oh, for real. Okay, then I'm not
worried. Yeah, man, we flew into Fort Lauderdale,
yeah, you and I, that's right. And Courtney,
when we interviewed Grant Cardone.
Grant Cardone, yeah,
the early version of this podcast was called Rich's brain.
There's like, 20 episodes, and we flew to go interview Grant
Cardone. That was great. How was that?
Was that, like, it's fine? Oh, pretty cool. Very eye opening.
Got a glimpse of his and
is he like the business guy? Yeah, the big I see him on the
on the Instagrams, yeah, real estate a lot, yeah. He's
been calling out a lot of people recently
that when I watch his videos, Gary
Brecker has been the guy lately. They're in a fight. Both of them
just like business guy, beef pretty much. Yeah, anyway you
want to take take on the bull, you get the horns, that kind of
thing. Now,
these guys, businessmen, oh yeah, as well. Are they gone all
into the social gardones Probably
a bonafide billionaire by now? Yeah.
Our other other business friend is Brad Lee
Bradley, who is Robin Baum. He's a he's not
a billionaire yet. Is he? Um,
probably even that phrase is crazy. He's not billionaire yet.
Is he? But his goal? Yeah, oh, he's like, that's his active
like, he wants to get there. Hey, good for him, man.
Millionaire in America, he's pretty incredible. If you want
to be a billionaire, definitely going to become
a millionaire. Yeah? I mean, that is, that's someone who
That's nuts. He's not sitting around watching Netflix. No, no.
He's getting stuff done. He's not he's probably not
playing the people for a little great. You binge in anything.
You gotta check anything out. I don't binge
but I'll watch shows while I get work done. Like, I'll binge work
watch, yeah, like, like, friends, scrubs, Rick and Morty,
Bob's Burgers, Rick and Morty. Is that a cartoon? Yeah, it's
cartoons. You ever heard
of Rick and Morty? Everybody heard of primal? Yeah, you bring
it up all the time. Primal is great. Or
the Lord of the Rings movies. I'll actually, I'll re watch
those all the time, all the time, and I only read the books.
I just love the movies. I
kind of almost like the Hobbit films more than the Lord of the
Rings. You
can't say that. No, I'm not. I'm not, like, a Lord of the Rings
Die Hard, yeah? But I know for a fact you can't. But I like, I
like how it like, Peter Jackson was like, we've got these
people, so we've got the shortest book of all of them,
yeah? And we're gonna stretch it out three the longest three
movies, yeah. I mean, that was like, wow, that was
pretty cool. But I'm pretty sure if there's like, a die hard Lord
of the Rings fan in here and heard you say that, they'd like,
yeah. Like, well, no,
you're wrong, because I'm kind of Die Hard, but I'm not like a,
like, a slap, but you're on your wrist if you get me. Neither.
The Return of the King was the last one right where there was,
like, the, just the, yeah, return, yeah. But the first one
was great. When the Kraken comes out, when they're trying to, it
was like a giant octopus they're trying to get the cave right.
When they're trying to get in the cave, that's big. And then
when that, I forget the name of his character, but the Hobbit,
he's like, backing up against thing, and then the helmet falls
into the well and wakes up all of
the orcs. That whole fight scene, Frodo gets stabbed, and
the cave troll comes in. Still looks amazing. Yeah? And the
CGI, I'm gonna that's 1999 that's not like an old man, but
the CGI back then still holds up. Yeah. I'm not a cinema guy,
you know, like, not very knowledgeable with that stuff,
either, but I'll watch those old movies. I don't know if it's
just because it's familiar with my eyes and feels good when I
watch it, or if it's genuinely like, no, the CGI back then was
because
when Fellowship of the Ring came out, I was your age, it was, I
was 29 it was came out, really 1999 Yeah, so they so, yeah, it
holds up. Great, yeah. I mean, it really does, absolutely, man,
have you guys, have you guys seen where they take scenes from
movies they did the I came across this this morning. I'm
trying to search for it, but they took the scene. I don't
know what movie it's from, but they're all coming to, I guess,
frodos bedroom, and he's awake, and they thought maybe he was
sick at the very end, right, right? And like all the cast is
coming in the room, and they're all different heights, they're
all different heights, and they're all happy that he's
awake and everything. But they replace the music with, you
know, you get sexy. You make music, yes, and it's like, they
make it, they give it a completely different music.
Yeah. Kids differently. And it's like, you know, Ian McKellen
characters looking at them all, like, hey, and you know, all the
other and all these guys are coming in, just jumping on the
bed, just like jumping on the bed. And the music, it's like,
oh my
gosh, this is not right. Oh my god, that I could picture how
funny that would be. You
ever see the Star Wars, the end of Star Wars, without the music,
where they're just kind of
walking and breathing and far down the
footsteps and all that stuff. You hear people in the
background
going now Star Wars is really old to someone your age, because
Star Wars loved it. Star Wars came out in 76 Yeah, 77
actually, 77 Yeah, and and alien. My other favorite movie
was 78
Yeah, I love the newer alien. I'll admit that.
Hey, okay, hold
on alien. Romulus was a very good. Hold on the latest.
Prometheus
was fantastic. Yeah, Prometheus was good. So freaking good jaws.
I never watched 75/50
anniversary this year, 7519
75
they're re releasing it into the theaters. That's great. We
should go see it. Let's do it. Yeah. That is such
like a perfectly made movie,
and it just looks old to me. And you know,
once you know, once you get you got to watch it. I've been
watching it since, you know, I was probably seven years old.
And as you get older, it kind of grows with you, and you
appreciate it deeper. Yeah. And then you watch that, USS
Indianapolis speech scene. Oh, man, what does the actors
basically use that as a
it's definitely a monolog you can use off for auditions. They
got he really got drunk. He really got drunk, and he really
went there,
yep, yeah, what's this? Did he say something? Just
really, you gotta watch it. Are there, like,
six Jaws movies? There's four.
There's really only one. It really is.
Well, one and a half, yeah, JAWS, two, the other five. Those
Jaws, two. I think they filmed, I think they filmed it with, I
don't know if they filmed it separately, well, maybe at the
same
shark worked better. The shark worked better. So you got to see
more of the animatronics, yeah, whatever. But which made the
first one so terrifying is the fact that the shark didn't work
well, so they had to rely on suspense and shots and angles
and the music. I could see
why that is cool, yeah. So they scared people enough they didn't
want to go in the water. They had to make it scary without
relying on the animatronics. Very, very
Yeah. And it's funny because Courtney and I, when we dated,
we went to Martha's Vineyard and we swam in that channel, dude,
if I don't know, if I can't see a couple feet down, I'm not
going in there, really, because, like lakes, like Lake, you're a
kayaker, that thing can fall over, right? Yeah. And most lake
water is dirty and murky, and depending
on the lake, yeah, you're at
it's yeah, you go into a lake. And it's also really happy.
Snapping turtle could come out of nowhere and grab onto your
foot, take a chunk out of you. I mean, dude, I
just trying to think about that, because I don't get out of the
kayak, though, because I'm like, you can't. I'm not. I can't get
back in that thing. Yeah, in the middle of the leg, I'll tip it's
so small, it's gonna fall over. Like, yeah,
I think that would be weird with
my claustrophobia. I'm gonna pause real quick, yeah, because
apparently we're
having so I was 25 and he was a
true prodigy, man, like a true you know, he was 11. I was like,
Hey,
kid, what's your name, Tony? I was like, how are you gonna
start your solo over you at the time I was 25 No, he was 11. And
he goes, I said, How are you gonna start your solo? And he
goes the helicopter. And I was like, Oh, that's cute. And then
he goes out there, and he's, like,
so you didn't know about this kid yet? No, no, wait, so you
got to see him. So
I work out Texas, which is hard to do, because there's a lot of
good lord. And then, and then Tony, and it was me, and this
there was one really mature guy got he was like, 35 you know.
And he played, like, really mature, like, really cool jazz
chops and stuff, old school. Yeah. What do you think, buddy?
Yep, slight.
No way though, you got to see Tony. Oh, yeah. Like, Brett,
that's that, I What was your reaction when you saw it? I
mean,
I got this, I got to, yeah, I got to compete against the young
Tony Royster. And he was just exceptional. Of course, he won.
And then, you know, years later, we all got to, we all got to
hang at, you know, drum channel. And Oxnard, it was like, Cool,
me, Keltner, Thomas Lang, Tony and Don Lombardi, you know the,
basically the owner, proprietor of dW Jones. That's incredible,
pretty amazing. And then Keltner, Keltner and I got to
share a slice of cheesecake. That was, that's my claim to
fame. You seem like a nice guy. Very nice guy. Yeah, man, hey.
So we were talking, we took a pee pee break that you are doing
tons of writing and mixing and producing. What is that all
about? Tell us. Tell us a little about
that. Um, the mixing thing. I can't say tons a lot of that's,
it's a new passion. Yeah, I'm just getting started with that.
And I just really enjoyed it. I was, I just started producing.
Writing the past like year or two, and writing, and I've, I
just started with friends, like really close friends, who I
could, you know, trust to grow and in front of. And recently
just produced a kid, some, some kid in Texas, named J rod. Yeah,
I thought it was Jared at first. He corrected me, so no, J rod. I
said, okay, cool. And I produced two songs for him, and there was
no budget, you know, he's like, Hey, I'm a broke college kid. I
said, Well, man, you're in luck. I'm just looking for anyone
who's willing to, you know, trust me with their music, and
let me do this. Yeah, so I mixed, like, or I recorded the
drums in the bass, pretty much everything else, and then I had
my buddy track guitars and get acoustic for it. And I was like,
man, there's no budget. I'm just gonna mix these. Yeah, watched a
couple videos, and just used my ear too. You're just kind of
trusting your ear a little bit, yeah, sent it to a few other
buddies who mix, and said, Hey, what do you think of this? And
they said, Hey, man, this actually sounds pretty good,
dude. You're on the path. So I was like, Cool. And it wasn't
the hardest track in the world. You know, it's pretty bare
bones, like country stuff, but so started doing that and
writing with him still. And then I have two songs I wrote that's
going to be with some two buddies is going to be on his
album coming out, nice and cuts, baby steps, man. It's like, the
micro wins, you know, it's, it's like, hey, like my friend's
records coming out. And two songs i co wrote and I made the
tracks for those songs. Do you
have a cool, kind of, like, quirky tongue in cheek name for
your publishing company? No,
I'm just getting that stuff started to making sure, like the
points thing, and trying to, you know, have the nets ready, you
know, long term, but I'm still, like, very humble, but I'm still
very eager just to, I just love it, and I love coming home and
working on that equally as much as I love going on the road
live. I think someone
told you to play a little bass too. Yeah,
yeah. I bought a bass probably, like, six years ago. Again, I'm
not amazing at it, but I was just like, Man, why can't I play
bass? I play with bass players all the time. Why can I not so I
would start to learn songs on bass and end up learning songs
quicker, to learning the forms quicker, and just relating so
much more to, just to feel like, oh man. Like, when a drummer
does that, that sucks for a bass player, you know, things like
that. Like, you know, just learning that kind of stuff.
Like, what is a bass player? Growth center like, yeah. And it
makes you think about kick note length, even then too, you know,
even though, like, you could have a kick that's muffled or
whatever, but you can still think about it like and play it
in a long way.
Do you bury the beater? Um, pull it off for the
for the most part? Yeah, you know, some of the lighter songs,
I try not to, but, you know, if I'm really feeling it and just
loving it, you know. And we're playing some high energy song.
I'm, yeah, I'm varying. Same
with me. My modus operandi is to bury it, and then if I want to
get, like, a lighter tone, or, God forbid, if we're playing a
little bit of jazz, yeah,
pull it off. Recording wise. I, I try to not bury it all. Oh
yeah, I've tried to play pretty different recording wise. Oh,
interesting. Just so, just because of the results I'm
trying to get so lighter cymbals, pull the beater off,
yeah? And there's still stuff where I'm like, hitting, like I
do live, but I would say, like, my my highest volume or velocity
in studio is probably 30% less than what it is live. You know,
that makes sense, yeah? And I just like, you can still get a
huge drum sound, yeah, and still hit great, and let some of the
gear do the work too, and still sound freaking huge. And, you
know? And I also just, I was really turned off growing up by
drummers who hit so hard they choked the drum instead, yeah.
I'm like, Man, that's just like a waste of energy to like. And
some of these guys, I was like, Man, I can hit as hard as you,
but I'm like, it's all on the wrist and just letting the stick
work, yeah, a lot of times I like,
sometimes when I'm in situations where I don't have to be, like,
because, I mean, I've been painted in a box where it's
like, oh my god, yeah, he's that animal. People
think you just do the one, yeah, that's, but that's, how do you
how do you combat that? It's better to
be known for something than nothing at all.
But true. But for you, like, I mean, you, you obviously can do
a lot. So how do you handle I just make sure that as this
world, too, you have to present yourself, to sell yourself. And
how do you I just
make sure that I'm in as in different circles as much as
possible. So if somebody calls me to do a American record, I go
and do it. If somebody says to come present to the percussive
Art Society, and I could show all all the percussionists in
the world that I have a good touch, yeah, I'll go and do
those things, you know. So whatever you can do to provide
exposure and to let people know, you know, one year, I had to hit
him with the airman of note at the progressive Art Society, and
like, Peter Erskine came up to me afterwards and said, that's
been that was surprising, because he just never said, Were
you kind of, like, bummed out when he said that? You were
like, Dude, come on. Or were you just like? I was like, thank
you. I was
like, Absolutely, thank you. Yeah, you know, but that's the
public that's the public perception. Is
it kind of like, like an actor getting typecasted? Or what's
the term, where they get associated with totally that
role? And
I studied acting for five years, and I was fully prepared to be
typecasted. Actually, that was my goal, yeah. And, and when I
did it, I always. He's played a cop or a detective or a school
teacher or a douchey husband. Yeah, you know, like, like, one
of these type
I want a list of the movies you've done, by the way,
anything, it's a very short list. That's okay. I want to, I
think it'd be so fun to be like, Oh my gosh, that's rich. You see
me with
this microphone right now, like, I was so proud. I was in this
movie called all light will end, and I played, like, a Casey,
Casey type, over caffeinated DJ. And it was like, so close to my
actual emailed it, right? You nailed it. And I watched it, and
I my parents got to see it all. My relatives got to see it. And
then the credits start to roll, and it says, you know, the name
of my character, rich Redmond. And I felt so proud, because
there was not a set of drums blocking me from my humanity and
my essence as a human being. And my parents were like, ah, that's
all right, Reggie, but when are you going back on tour? Because
even my parents are like, you're a drummer. What are you doing?
Yeah, what I mean, like a person can't be dynamic, but Jim was
always very supportive, of course, yeah, yeah, it's what I
do, yeah, real friends. Jim's the guy that'll pull over at 3am
and went on my cars in a ditch and pick me up, dude, that
and you only, you only ever get it, like sometimes you only
really get one, maybe a few of those kind of friends, man.
Those are those the real deal. Totally, I
put his windshield wipers on for crown.
That's right, I said I'm gonna buy these at Pet boys. And then
Jim is this, like your whole day, by the
way, no, when this happened, was it during the internet and he
did it
so quickly, he didn't even have to read the manual or anything.
You could look it up how to put them on. I am not handy. This is
that's not handy. That's just like, but, I mean, pet voice is
right there grinding coffee. It's got two miles away.
I think it's willful ignorance. I think it's a dependency at
this point. I think he's just, he knows you'll be there. He's
like, Yeah, he'll just do it totally
just, like, what we're talking about, you know, learning Cubase
and all the different things, yeah, like, I just can't get it.
There's probably a smidge that you do get it. Oh, yeah.
Hey. So we're gonna, we're gonna get into the Hey. What is the
best way for people to get in touch if they want to connect
with your energy and your enthusiasm and they want to
collab with you as the kids?
Man, honestly, just messaged me on Instagram, the Grand i know
if that's like the hip one to say,
n, n, is that your middle initial?
No, that was just so real talk. It just happened I dated a girl
in high school, yeah. And she's like, it'd be really cool if you
spelled your name with two ends. And for some reason, I made that
my email. Oh, my God. And then people just started going, Oh,
John with two ends, right? And I was like, Well, it's a thing,
you know, this was years ago, two
ends, boss week. So that's
just my actual name is Jonathan. Jonathan, yeah. Jonathan, Mark
Bostwick, yeah. The John that people like, is that really
spelled? I'm like, Yeah. And they I, some of them probably
thought that was, like, legit. Oh, that's your name, John with
two hands, but people remembered me and could find me easier. And
I would get calls, strangely enough, you're like, Yeah, John,
with two ends. How you doing? I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna roll
with this. That's
why I texted you. How do you spell your name? Because I saw
John J O N, I saw the Instagram J O n, n, and then I saw some
sites. Have you as J O, H, N, it's confusing,
dude, I'm kind of, honestly, it's my fault. I've made a mess
for myself because I'll forget to and people like Zildjian and
be like, Hey, we're working on your bio. What's your How do you
do your name? I'll be like, Oh yeah, John, J, O, H, N. I'm
like, not remember. Like, wait, no, I don't do it that way. So
my name is pretty much, like, misspelled all over the
internet, and it's really because of my doing that's
funny. Oh my god, it's totally my fault too, man, it's, yeah, I
don't know how to fix
it either. Oh, my God, that's funny. Hey, we're gonna do the
Fast Five. What's your favorite color? Favorite color? Blue,
royal blue. Oh, my God, this is funny. You're the 15th. Why
are we laughing here? Because you're like, the 15th guy, blue
and black, black because it goes
with everything in blue. I just, I grew up a Michigan fan in Ohio
because of my dad, but the royal blue, it just always caught my
eye.
Nice. You're gonna have a royal blue kid at some point. I don't
think craviato Does that. But,
like, the kid would come out blue, or that's not good. Yeah.
Do they
do actual, like, painting of the drums or raps, or is it always
like a wood
they do wraps, right? Craviato? Yeah, they do wraps too. They
send them to California to rap but, oh, but man, the inlays are
so nice, and the stands, like, why would you even want to cover
it up? Yeah? Because that's, that's their thing. I think the
shells that have a little imperfection but are still good,
yeah, they'll wrap those ones, the ones that are flawless on
the grain, sort of style. What it is, dude, it's unreal seeing
how they make this
stuff. It was they drew odd size drums, like thirteens, fifteens,
that kind of
thing. I think if you special request it. I'm not sure. I
don't remember. I didn't see any, like 15 snares or anything.
Toms. They have a ton of variations, but in terms of
snares, I think they have mostly fourteens. We need to
do away with the odd size, if I remember correctly, let's get
rid of them. Let's get rid of them. Yeah, because they're a
bitch. To tune,
1412, 1622, that's what I'm wrong. You're 22 guy. Yeah,
nice. You know, I know it's country and a big sound, but I
don't know it just works. Maple,
Hey, man, go with it. Maple. Maple. Guy, favorite food or
dish,
favorite food or dish.
Ooh, the Dan, Dan noodles at punk walk,
I heard about this punk walk. I saw it in the nest. You
gotta go, man, we gotta get Sue. You there. It's the in the sushi
rice is perfect, and it's, oh, the cocktails are amazing. It's
next to punk walk. What brewery in this Pilates spot? What's the
is it in East Nashville? Yeah, there's a big brewery that it's
like, right next to, or, like, underneath. Okay, it's like, in
a corner next to a couple different, gosh, so we
got a lot of big breweries here, though, I'm not a brewery guy. I
don't like
Yazoo. You got your cheap beer guy? I'm a cheap
beard guy. I was too, like, ultra or Miller, and then I got
one of the podcasts I produce is called the ales and tales
podcast. Ales and tales podcast.com, really opened my
eyes. It's a buddy of mine and a couple other people you start
really appreciating, like, all of a sudden, the rest of the
beers just tastes like water. Yeah? You know?
Well, I lived in Cincinnati, and there's tons of great, oh yeah,
beer. There, tons of great breweries. And we, we would play
in, I'd play in Fusion bands and buddies project at this one
where they, they could let us drink underage, because our
professor, he was working there. So I drink tons of great beer
there. Hated sours. I hated the beer the porters. I just would
ask for the lightest beer. It was time, and we got, still too
heavy for me.
We had a sour on the show that, dude, I can't do it. Man,
reserve your judgment, because at this point I'm talking it
tastes like a baby. Guys home, did you? Did you hated it?
Probably right. No, he loved it, really. He loved it because I'm
not a big sour guy, either. One of our guys brings it and wraps
it in foil, tin foil, so we can't see what it is. Yeah. So
we did, like a whole mystery kind of thing, we poured it into
the glass. It's ruby red. It's beautiful. And we do a sniff
test. We do a site test, we look at we do a sniff test. I took a
sniff test I was eight years old again, sitting at my mother's
kitchen beard. Eight years old. No, dude, well, maybe after
playing outside on a hot summer day with a glass of milk and a
peanut butter and jelly sandwich, it was that vivid. I
mean, it brought back memories I long forgotten. Tastes like
peanut butter, and then you you drink it, it tastes just, I
mean, they get the peanut butter, right? It's
amazing. It's nuts. I still
my mind just goes, dude, I'm telling we got one here. I'll
try. I wish I did, because we could crack them open, right?
They have it up at Cool Springs, wine and spirits. I believe they
have it on tap. You can get a grower film, PB and J beer. It's
called mix tape, and it's by Zul brewing out of Knoxville, x, u
l, l, x, u l, brewing, Zul, it's
stunning. Maybe we'll hit him up for some sponsorships. I would
love that. Speaking of that, what's your favorite drink?
Favorite drink ever? Yeah, cappuccino, just a cappuccino.
Cappuccino, whole milk. You make a good one at your crib. Uh,
yeah, I love, I love making a caption, nice
man, pretty good at them. And then what would be your who's
your favorite drummer of all time? Is that possible? Or
of the weak flavor of the Yeah, who do you listen to?
I can tell you, like, who am I listening to right now?
Drummers. Well, man, I've been listening to because Parker's
new record coming out has near Z on it. Seven. Listening to, and
I have this, I have, like, the actual drum files. So I'm like,
great. I can hear every note of his, and I've always been a fan
of his. But it's really fun when you get to, like, dive into
them. And last record was Chad Cromwell, yeah, he's another
favorite of too. And yeah, it was fun playing his part. I
love, I really love his playing in his energy he has he played
on a Charles Kelly record. Yeah, it's a but I wish that record
did better, you know, in terms of commercial success because
dude, like, he's got a song called your love on there, and
you Chad goes off, man. It almost sounds like they said,
hey, just keep it rolling. Man. Hey, just keep going. And he's,
I just love his energy. I love his fills. I love Charles
play some pretty good drums. Does he really? He's a class.
Did he play on the album? He was, No, he was, like, a drummer
originally, yeah. And they're like, oh my god, you're so tall
and you got such a good voice, you should, like, be standing
out front. Yeah, you know your
front? Man, yeah, you're too good looking. Get
out from you're so tall you're not ugly enough. You gotta What
about
you got? Jim, ask your
question, if you had to.
Sorry, texting with my son,
family man, that's important. That's more important for
family.
That's a great show. I just started watching that bill
burr is brilliant on that. He's just bursting a van, and he said
the whole season, just
yeah, that it'll be amazing if he makes it to 80. Yeah,
husband,
I had a heart attack screaming at everyone, unless that's not
really him at home,
whether he likes you or not, you're getting screamed at
crazy. What's that? What's out there? Jim,
sorry. Distraction. All
right. Are we in danger?
No, no. It was a car pulling up the driveway, and they pulled
off to go next door. So
if you see a car pulling up here and they're not supposed to,
that's you got problems. You got
time to get the gun. Yeah,
yeah. Where? To sit here and be a victim, yeah? They're driving
away. You're good, yeah?
So if you had to play in a tribute band, tribute band for
the rest of your life, and it's all you can do when you're
playing them same music over and over and over again, never
again, to play any other kind of music,
yeah? Like genre. It could be any it
has to be a band. A lot of people are like, rush, kiss,
steely. Dan.
Oh, steely. Dan's a good one, yeah? For sure. Um, because you
get
to do like six different drums. Well, this is such a good
question,
so I'm overthinking it. I'm like, Man, I gotta pick a good
one. Yeah? Forever. Hold your peace. I actually, I think I got
a good one. Yeah, this would be fun, uh, playing in Frank
Sinatra's big band, Frank Sinatra tribute Big Band. Irv
Kotler, that'd be sad, man. I could, I could, I could play it
as, like a tribute Big Band.
Get back to that. Jim just
kicking a horn sections ass all night, dude. Oh, my cuz you got
to keep those guys in order. They'll if, like, that was the
one thing I learned playing that stuff was, like, emergency, if a
horn session section doesn't feel good with you, they'll run.
They'll be, like, all right, later they'll, they'll go
without you. And you have to, like, get in there. And that
was, like, really cool to learn. Like, man, especially with big
bands you, you really got to sit back there and say, Hey,
motherfucker, like, this is my band. Yeah, hear that rim shot
in your ear? Yeah? Listen, yeah, yeah. They was fun, man. But if
you but if you were killing it, then they would vibe with you.
But if the horn section didn't
like you, dude, I'd love to see you play some big so we only
have, we've got a couple of big bands around town. We have the
national Jazz Orchestra. We have the Tennessee jazz hard to show
up, the rest for sure. And we have, there's a couple of little
reading bands around town. Sometimes some cats will get
together over at the Union and pull out some charts, yeah, and
do some stuff. There's a big band called The establishment
big band. And when I was, when I was in your seat, you know, all
the years ago, for having first moved to Nashville, I did some
time with those bands. But, yeah, it's been a while as well.
There
was one I played with. It was a bunch of old guys. A lot of
them, either they never, like, did like the jazz thing
professionally. A couple of them played with some big bands
professionally. And then there was one guy, and they were all
in education or retired. One guy was John Harner. He played with
Stan Kenton too. Oh yeah. There's a song called sending
the clowns. Nice. That was him on trumpet playing him on Trump.
That some that insane Trump is so that gets really high. Oh,
yeah. John Harner played that with Stan Kenton every night
when he toured with him. And yeah, so he was in that band
too. But I was little at all. I was not perfect too. They were,
like, I was lucky that they let this little kid, like, drive the
jazz Central, you know, high school, and go sit in great
episodes like eighth grade or something. Yeah, I think my
Yeah, I remember driving, at least at one point. I did it for
a little bit, but no one was in the club. The owner was there,
really old. It was dating. You know, this wasn't anything over
there. And they just hand you a big booklet full of trumpet
parts. You know, some of them they say, like, number 227, he'd
scroll through real quick and pull up the trumpet part that
was kind of torn and maybe missing a
page. It's got liquid paper on it's got, yeah, it looks like
shit. The thing is, old is
probably 100 years old. It's all years old. They talk through,
hey, Trump has watched this, this this drummer. Make sure
here's the tempo. And then we just go, Yeah, you know it was,
it was pressure for me, but it was also no pressure because no
one was there. It's just these dudes, just like getting
together and playing. That's nice big band music. I love
that. We have that in common, because not a lot of people have
the experience of pulling out a book that thick, yeah, I don't
know what's gonna happen. And never heard of the song some,
most of the time, amazing. That totally helped your
musicianship. It was fun, man. And then doing it in college,
and, you know, competing with it too, in high school, and doing
all that stuff. Once I moved here, though, like, I just was
like, I'm gonna I want to learn the natural way. I just want to
see what people do here. Well, you know what?
We do have a process. I was, I was at a different here, man. I
was breaking bread the other two nights ago with near I was
sitting right next to here, and we were having the hummus. He
was like, just think humus. Just think Pumas, Pumas, the show the
shoes, Pumas. That's how you actually say it humus. It's not
hummus, it's humus hummus. And he so we had, he was like, oh,
it's pretty good, you know, because he's, you know, Middle
Eastern and pretty good. Yeah, dude,
they have a sound to those drummers from Israel. All the
ones I've heard from Israel, they have, like, their own. And
his brother does the is, does the Israeli idol? He's the house
drummer on TV for nears brothers.
Yeah. I did not know that crazy
way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool.
Yeah. That room for squares record that he played on,
fantastic. That's where I knew him. Probably knows it near is
awesome, man. So that good to see the here in Genesis. I think
he played, he played with Genesis, and he
had an amazing live career recording, yeah, yeah.
Remember when Billy squire,
everybody wants you, yeah? Dan ash. Dan
ash, he had a wonderful drummer, Bobby Chouinard, who died way
too young. The Rumor
has it, Billy Squire was gonna sing for Van Halen. Wow, that's
by the time.
Crazy, yeah. Hey, man, I am happy for you. I'm proud of you.
Man, welcome. Thank you. Welcome to Nashville. You're, you're,
you're, you know, you've been here nine years, something like
that. You got great game. Big. You're barely 30 years old.
You're You're, thank you barely you're doing your you're
expanding into your writing, production, playing the bass
mixing thing, which is very, very smart, so people want to
find you. It's on the gram at J, o, n, n, Bostwick, B, O, s, t,
w, I, C, K, that's John Bostwick. And next time we're
together, we're gonna be at punk walk. Yes, Dan, Dan, noodles.
We're doing, we're doing the noodles, man,
and some sushi, dude. It's so good. It's so good. Okay, I
gotta do
it. Pump walk. Done right now.
You guys heard it? You guys heard it here. Jim, thanks for
your It was a long day, man. Thanks for putting in the time.
We love your time and talent. We appreciate you. And to all the
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