1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,580 Unknown: What, how did you perceive wearing glove? I would 2 00:00:02,580 --> 00:00:04,860 never wear gloves. I hope it doesn't anyone in here. If you 3 00:00:04,860 --> 00:00:07,980 guys work gloves, I do from time to time. I would rather just 4 00:00:07,980 --> 00:00:10,260 lose cows and rebuild them. And I would never 5 00:00:10,260 --> 00:00:14,880 want to do it, but helps your grip better. I what I when I do 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,540 it is during the I don't really drop sticks, though colder 7 00:00:18,540 --> 00:00:23,180 months, in the colder months, your my skin will split. Mine 8 00:00:23,180 --> 00:00:26,540 does that? That's, oh yeah, mine splits really bad. Then I'll put 9 00:00:26,540 --> 00:00:26,660 the 10 00:00:26,900 --> 00:00:31,460 Johnny, and I carry tons and new skin around. So, yeah. So we'll 11 00:00:31,820 --> 00:00:34,820 put the hydrogen peroxide in there to clean it. Then we put 12 00:00:34,820 --> 00:00:38,360 on layers and layers of new skin. I might even gaff tape 13 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:43,240 that up. And then I'll throw on the Zildjian glove on my left 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:47,560 hand. This is the rich Redmond show. Hey, 15 00:00:51,340 --> 00:00:54,700 what part of town Do you live in? Man, I'm living in 16 00:00:54,700 --> 00:00:56,920 Donaldson. Nice, Donaldson 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,480 and hermitage is where everybody, yeah, starts, you 18 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,080 know, and then sometimes they'll get away from there, but yeah, 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:05,460 we'll just ride it out. Man, I've 20 00:01:05,459 --> 00:01:08,039 kind of lived all over the place, though, you know, just 21 00:01:08,099 --> 00:01:11,519 uh, pretty much every part of town. I think it's nice to be by 22 00:01:11,519 --> 00:01:14,519 the airport. Honestly, that was like half the reason I'm like, 23 00:01:14,519 --> 00:01:17,039 Man, six minutes from the airport is saves a lot of time 24 00:01:17,039 --> 00:01:20,239 and money, honestly, the amount you fly. But what's 25 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,960 the weirdest smell you've ever smelled? The 26 00:01:23,960 --> 00:01:26,480 well smell? Ever smell well? John and I have been on a lot of 27 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,100 tour busses, so honestly, 28 00:01:28,100 --> 00:01:30,560 our everyone in my band, they're, they're pretty clean, 29 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,480 like, there's no bat. We don't have any weird smells or 30 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:32,840 anything. 31 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,540 A bunch of metrosexuals on there just covered in Dolce and 32 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:36,500 Gabbana. What? 33 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,840 Honestly, no, everyone's just clean. 34 00:01:40,940 --> 00:01:43,120 Oh, let's go clean deodorant. And, yeah, 35 00:01:43,180 --> 00:01:46,300 what? Just takes care of them. So honestly, the it's the worst 36 00:01:46,300 --> 00:01:48,820 smell I've ever smelled, and I'll never forget is when I was 37 00:01:48,820 --> 00:01:51,820 Uber driving in Nashville. Oh, my God, it's the, yeah, the 38 00:01:51,820 --> 00:01:55,780 first couple years pretty rough. It was the smell of drunk people 39 00:01:55,780 --> 00:01:59,860 in my car. Oh, 3am that breath, and that's alcohol smell, just 40 00:01:59,860 --> 00:02:02,880 soaked in alcohol. Yeah, it just smells like Broadway. And I'm 41 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,700 just like, I could never get over that smell. So, get 42 00:02:05,700 --> 00:02:09,180 this, it was the other day I got picked up with my Uber to the 43 00:02:09,180 --> 00:02:12,660 airport. And, you know, I ordered it the night before. 44 00:02:12,660 --> 00:02:15,900 It's one of those ungodly pickup times like 445 in the morning. 45 00:02:15,900 --> 00:02:18,000 So this guy is on time. You know, I treated myself. Got a 46 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,580 little black car, so there's a little bit of extra space. He 47 00:02:20,580 --> 00:02:24,680 shows up. I didn't really notice any smell or anything. But then 48 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,560 halfway through the ride, he goes, everything should be 49 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,500 great. Back there, I scrubbed and cleaned and sprayed, but 50 00:02:31,220 --> 00:02:34,700 someone threw up, like, an hour ago, and right where I'm 51 00:02:34,700 --> 00:02:37,280 sitting, like, right where he's like, Yeah, I'm sorry, bro. I 52 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,380 was like, Why didn't you tell me ahead of time? Well, I thought 53 00:02:39,380 --> 00:02:41,920 you might not take the trip. And, yeah, why wouldn't? Why 54 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:45,040 would you tell me? Anyway, he should have just, like, don't 55 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,480 tell you. Plus they make, like, 300 56 00:02:46,780 --> 00:02:49,660 bucks from that so they can just, I know, take, take a day. 57 00:02:49,660 --> 00:02:50,620 Yeah, I 58 00:02:50,620 --> 00:02:53,680 know a lot of you know Uber drivers. I, for whatever reason, 59 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,840 I prefer Lyft. I like the branding. I like the color. It 60 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,960 just seems like the company culture is, did you drive for 61 00:02:58,960 --> 00:02:59,140 both? 62 00:02:59,140 --> 00:03:02,400 No, I just did. I did Uber because I didn't want to answer 63 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,120 to a boss or do a nine to five. I just wanted to make my my 64 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:07,980 rent, yeah, practice or do whatever. It 65 00:03:07,980 --> 00:03:10,380 was pretty smooth working for that corporation because it's 66 00:03:10,380 --> 00:03:13,020 faceless and it's hard to get anybody on the phone at, 67 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,860 yeah, it's weird, honestly. And I never contacted it. It's it. 68 00:03:16,860 --> 00:03:20,420 When I did it, it was very early in Nashville, so you barely had 69 00:03:20,420 --> 00:03:23,840 to, like, register. It was kind of sketchy, yeah. But there were 70 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,560 no, like, Uber lanes. It was way before COVID, you know, and all 71 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,820 that stuff so, and it was crazy too. At one point I was just 72 00:03:31,820 --> 00:03:34,340 like, Man, I just like, so I dipped that after about two 73 00:03:34,340 --> 00:03:37,040 years of doing it, yeah, but it was, like, the only time I would 74 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,660 just go out and do nights. Did you do Uber Eats? No, I never 75 00:03:40,660 --> 00:03:43,180 really thought about that kind of wish I did at that point, you 76 00:03:43,180 --> 00:03:46,900 know. But, uh, yeah, I just, I just did it, you know, just got 77 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,600 the new waiting tables, like, because I waited tables, I 78 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:54,100 parked cars, i i made copies. I did, like, construction. I mean, 79 00:03:54,100 --> 00:03:56,980 you do these things, you know, so, and that's the new version 80 00:03:56,980 --> 00:03:59,140 of it, because it's totally flexible. You could work 81 00:03:59,140 --> 00:04:00,600 whenever you feel like it. That 82 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,260 was me. I just didn't want to have to, like, hey, I need a 83 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,900 Thursday and Friday offer a gig. Yeah, I don't want to answer to 84 00:04:06,900 --> 00:04:07,680 anybody. The 85 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,260 other one is, like, people work at the pearl factory, you know, 86 00:04:10,260 --> 00:04:13,860 or they'll work at innovative percussion wrapping mallets, you 87 00:04:13,860 --> 00:04:17,640 know? Yeah, so that's cool, man. Did you do that too? I didn't 88 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:20,160 wrap mallets. No, I was a substitute teacher, so I taught, 89 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,860 were you really K through three to me, K through three, you can 90 00:04:24,860 --> 00:04:27,500 still make a difference. And they're like, Hey, Mr. Rabin. 91 00:04:27,500 --> 00:04:30,500 Mr. Rabin, when is what can we go out and play on this? And 92 00:04:30,500 --> 00:04:32,780 like, Yeah, I'll come out. Like, I'd get on the jungle gym with 93 00:04:32,780 --> 00:04:34,820 him and stuff. Yeah, that recess. And they'd like, Oh, 94 00:04:34,820 --> 00:04:37,160 you're so cool. And then like, what are we gonna do now? Nap 95 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:37,700 time. 96 00:04:40,100 --> 00:04:42,100 We're gonna nap. I would have loved you as a 97 00:04:42,100 --> 00:04:44,140 teacher. I feel like that would have been a lot of fun. 98 00:04:44,140 --> 00:04:44,740 Honestly, 99 00:04:44,860 --> 00:04:47,260 I need to ask you, does this smell like chloroform? 100 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,400 Get up. You got the sounds too? No way. 101 00:04:56,020 --> 00:05:00,960 Oh my gosh, Jim, try to use some of the. Dark horses that we 102 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:02,220 don't use a lot today. You got 103 00:05:02,220 --> 00:05:03,180 the air horn on the 104 00:05:04,260 --> 00:05:05,700 Oh, yeah. 105 00:05:07,620 --> 00:05:10,680 That always reminds me of a predators game. Yeah, you know 106 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,680 when I teach kids shuffles, because it's like, you're great 107 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,200 at shuffles because you're a big band musician. We're going to 108 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,540 talk about that. But there's shuffles aren't on the radio 109 00:05:18,540 --> 00:05:20,880 anymore. So I always say like, Hey. You know when you go to a 110 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,360 football game or a hockey games, like, damn, 111 00:05:26,540 --> 00:05:28,340 I say that's a shuffle. Kids, 112 00:05:28,340 --> 00:05:29,960 yeah, it's a triplet. They've heard it. They don't 113 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,780 know. It's just they say, Why do you think that is? Why do you 114 00:05:32,780 --> 00:05:33,560 think it's like, yeah, 115 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,960 why do you think I mean, unless you're almost, like, nearly 116 00:05:36,020 --> 00:05:43,600 every pre, early version of Green Day had a shuffle on it. 117 00:05:43,660 --> 00:05:44,020 Yeah? 118 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,620 You know what I mean, yeah. And, 119 00:05:47,740 --> 00:05:50,740 you know, it's funny, because in the Huey thing that I'm doing, 120 00:05:50,740 --> 00:05:55,060 which is may 28 in the city winery of Nashville, I like how 121 00:05:55,060 --> 00:05:57,700 you drape the fourth wall, just like Mr. Roper. I just look 122 00:05:57,700 --> 00:06:01,020 right at the camera. Yeah, they said because, you know, huey's 123 00:06:01,020 --> 00:06:07,080 music has so many shuffles, yeah. And the guitar player, he 124 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,180 says, You can't find many drummers that can do a good 125 00:06:09,180 --> 00:06:12,600 shuffle, yeah, anymore. It's a dying so I'm committed to it. 126 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:13,980 I'm doubling down. So 127 00:06:13,980 --> 00:06:18,840 with your gig, we got Jonathan boswick in the house. He's a 128 00:06:19,020 --> 00:06:22,760 Ohio native, from Dayton, Ohio, big rock and roll town, Guided 129 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,940 by Voices the pretenders. And he was telling me, the fun capital 130 00:06:25,940 --> 00:06:29,120 of the world are one of them the Ohio players. Yeah, you started 131 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,580 playing drums at age 12. You went to the Cincinnati 132 00:06:31,580 --> 00:06:35,360 Conservatory of Music, that's a mouthful. And you studied with 133 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,780 John von Olin. He's still alive. Um, 134 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:40,660 no, he passed away a few years 135 00:06:40,660 --> 00:06:43,540 ago say that on his wiki, really, I should. I should? I 136 00:06:43,540 --> 00:06:43,780 mean 137 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,740 if, if, for people who know him and are aware of who he is, he's 138 00:06:47,740 --> 00:06:49,360 a big deal. So Woody Herman 139 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:54,400 drummer, Stan Kenton's drummer. And he always had a when I was 140 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,520 at North Texas, we would always try to find the perfect Big Band 141 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,840 ride symbol, yeah, would have a bell. Would have a wall symbols, 142 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:05,400 man and ding, ding. You can do the dang. Cut through 17 guys 143 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,580 and let them know where the beat was. And I love that, that you 144 00:07:08,580 --> 00:07:10,800 were a jazz cat. I mean, we're gonna have to dig in and talk 145 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,220 about that. But since 2021 you know you're fresh meat, you've 146 00:07:14,220 --> 00:07:16,980 been touring with award winning country artist, Parker McCollum. 147 00:07:16,980 --> 00:07:20,540 I love the guy because he's at the crossroads of big Nashville 148 00:07:20,540 --> 00:07:25,340 machinery, Texas, the Texas thing, the singer songwriter 149 00:07:25,340 --> 00:07:27,860 thing, you guys did Parker's burn it down. Headlining tour, 150 00:07:27,860 --> 00:07:30,440 you've been direct support on Morgan wallins one night at a 151 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,320 time. World Tour, you performed direct support for George Strait 152 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,780 at his record breaking show at Kyle Field. That had to be 153 00:07:35,780 --> 00:07:38,960 amazing. That is the largest single ticketed event in US 154 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,920 history, 102,000 people. Man, 155 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,820 so, so fun fact, Zildjian, when I, when I got my Zildjian and 156 00:07:45,820 --> 00:07:48,820 big first endorsement, yeah, they like, butchered my bios. 157 00:07:48,820 --> 00:07:51,100 I'm not hating on them, but yeah, that was just like, that's 158 00:07:51,100 --> 00:07:52,180 pretty funny. I don't care. Is 159 00:07:52,180 --> 00:07:55,240 that the correct bio that I have? So it was 110,000 110,000 160 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,980 but, uh, I think Zach Brian just beat that record for a show he's 161 00:07:59,980 --> 00:08:02,760 doing in Michigan or so, wow, like, 112 I thought, either way, 162 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:05,460 it's crazy, like, man, it was wild. Yeah, for at least 30 163 00:08:05,460 --> 00:08:07,620 minutes, we had that whole crowd, because we got to play 164 00:08:07,620 --> 00:08:10,200 for at least, I think, like, over an hour. We had a good 165 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,900 time, that's what. Yeah, it was fun, man. And I remember just 166 00:08:12,900 --> 00:08:15,120 looking up and going, man, everyone's here. This is, like, 167 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,480 the it was cool. And I wasn't, I wasn't nervous. It was just fun. 168 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:18,600 All 169 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,760 the cool people in Texas are here playing massive crowds is 170 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:27,620 not usually nerve wracking. It's when you have to do like, the 171 00:08:27,620 --> 00:08:30,560 softest press role in your life for like five of your 172 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,260 colleagues, and they're like, right there, yeah. I mean, 173 00:08:33,260 --> 00:08:36,680 that's the kind of stuff that makes me nervous. Really. I 174 00:08:36,680 --> 00:08:38,720 get honest, I genuinely get more 175 00:08:40,340 --> 00:08:44,140 nervous and care more about how everyone in the band feels. 176 00:08:44,140 --> 00:08:46,600 Like, I want everyone to come off the stage saying, Hey, that 177 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,780 was a great show. High five, yeah? Like, the I've never 178 00:08:49,780 --> 00:08:52,900 really gotten in my head about the crowd size, because what I'm 179 00:08:52,900 --> 00:08:55,660 really caring about is, like, making sure everyone here on 180 00:08:55,660 --> 00:08:59,140 stage that feels good, yeah? Like, I honestly get more 181 00:08:59,140 --> 00:09:01,680 nervous in a club than, like, a stadium or an arena, yeah, 182 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:04,320 because every you can see everybody stadiums are so it's 183 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,120 weird. They're so far away. Still, kind of, 184 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,820 do you pick out somebody to kind of focus on the quadrants, like, 185 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,040 there's a blonde, there's a brunette, there's redhead here, 186 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,440 those cool looking dude right there with his kids. Sometimes 187 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:13,560 I'll 188 00:09:13,560 --> 00:09:16,380 stare at people, but then after a while, I'm like, Oh, wait, 189 00:09:16,380 --> 00:09:18,960 they totally notice I'm staring at them. Even in an arena, I'm 190 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,540 like, they totally I feel like they're looking at me. And I'm 191 00:09:21,540 --> 00:09:23,720 like, Oh, this is weird. Okay, so I, you were trying to vibe 192 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,960 them out. Yeah, sometimes I really, like, try to commit. I'm 193 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,420 like, No, I'm looking at this person. I'm not breaking and I'm 194 00:09:29,420 --> 00:09:32,480 like, no, they, they're looking right at me too. Though this is 195 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:32,780 weird. 196 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,820 You got a nice setup. I mean, you've got, like, very musical, 197 00:09:37,820 --> 00:09:41,380 dark symbols. You got some K's up there. I love the case. And 198 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,440 you're saying, Vic Firth. Vic Firth makes a nice drumstick. We 199 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,280 love Vic. Very consistent. And then congratulations, you got 200 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,740 this craviato Drum deal? Thank you, man. I mean, it's a big 201 00:09:50,740 --> 00:09:54,340 one. I remember Chris McHugh. We did some shows. There you are. 202 00:09:54,340 --> 00:09:57,580 Everybody loves cravio. Everybody's making a great drum. 203 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,540 That's the thing is, like, even like, if CB, 700 Is around, 204 00:10:00,540 --> 00:10:02,340 they've had to up their game. You know what? I mean, 205 00:10:02,340 --> 00:10:04,500 everybody's making great stuff, other otherwise you don't 206 00:10:04,500 --> 00:10:08,040 survive. But I remember, years ago, we were doing support for 207 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,800 Keith Urban, and Chris McCarthy was like, come on, check out my 208 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,140 new tub. So I go up there, and I'm, you know, I'm like, I'm 209 00:10:13,140 --> 00:10:16,380 like, yeah, they're nice. They sound like drums. But he goes, 210 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:19,800 he goes, guess what? Guess how much these are? And I was, like, 211 00:10:22,140 --> 00:10:23,900 $8,000 ago, $12,000 212 00:10:24,620 --> 00:10:29,360 I remember when he sold that whole setup too. Yeah, sonar. He 213 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,660 made a switch. Yeah, he switched to, I think sonar, at least I've 214 00:10:32,660 --> 00:10:33,740 seen him playing that, yeah, 215 00:10:33,740 --> 00:10:35,900 sonar is making a cup. Yes, they're, they're, they're being 216 00:10:35,900 --> 00:10:37,760 aggressive. And then what do you do for 217 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,560 heads? Uh, man, Remo, I just, I, that's the one thing I just, 218 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:43,960 everyone's like, man, just do Evans live. It doesn't matter. 219 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,120 I'm like, I know no one can tell ahead I'm using blah, blah, 220 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:46,600 blah. But I'm 221 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,080 like, I just love Remo. There's a soulful quality to Remo. I 222 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:50,800 just, I love 223 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,680 it, man, yeah, it's such a good drum head. And to me, it's, it's 224 00:10:53,680 --> 00:10:58,360 just, it's a huge part of making even a better kit feel amazing. 225 00:10:58,420 --> 00:11:01,440 I just, I just have to have them on there. I just do, I will not 226 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,120 compromise on that one. I love that. I love 227 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,560 that about you. And you've done all the TV shows. So fun doing 228 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:10,800 the CMT and ACM Awards tonight show. You got the fallons, you 229 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,620 got the kimmels, you got CMA fest. You guys do the Houston 230 00:11:13,620 --> 00:11:16,380 rodeo with the spinning stage stage coach that used to rodeo. 231 00:11:16,380 --> 00:11:19,020 I mean, there's a lot of rodeos out there, but that is like the 232 00:11:19,020 --> 00:11:19,620 premier. 233 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,340 Like, that's the one man, as far as I've been told, you know, 234 00:11:22,340 --> 00:11:23,840 well, we've done the San Antonio 235 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,800 rodeo before. That was kind of like, it was like, no offense, 236 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,200 San Antonio. We love your restaurants. We love your water 237 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,340 walk, your your river walk. But, I mean, the Houston rodeo is, 238 00:11:34,340 --> 00:11:34,940 like, it's, 239 00:11:34,940 --> 00:11:37,220 it's from everyone, what everyone tells me, because, 240 00:11:37,220 --> 00:11:40,160 again, I'm from Ohio, yeah? So when I was doing all this Texas 241 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,240 stuff, I was like, I some of it. I'm like, Yeah, this is huge. Is 242 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,640 a big deal, but what's the gravity of and they're like, 243 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,080 Dude, this is, like, the biggest rodeo 244 00:11:47,140 --> 00:11:49,300 in the country, yeah? And I'm like, oh, and they have, like, R 245 00:11:49,300 --> 00:11:51,220 B night, and they have country night, and they'll have, yeah, 246 00:11:51,220 --> 00:11:54,700 it's not just a bunch and it's like, it just packs out with 247 00:11:54,700 --> 00:11:57,700 that, with the fans of those genres, and you're playing 248 00:11:57,700 --> 00:12:00,960 right in the middle of the rodeo arena, on the dirt, yeah? Like, 249 00:12:01,020 --> 00:12:01,680 like, the 250 00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:04,380 band will schlep it out and the dirt, you know, yeah. And then 251 00:12:04,380 --> 00:12:06,480 we'll go out, we'll get into place, right? And there's this 252 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,420 anticipation. The crowd can feel it. And then usually the artist 253 00:12:09,420 --> 00:12:11,520 will come out on some sort of a truck or something, yeah, you 254 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:11,700 can 255 00:12:11,700 --> 00:12:13,980 ride the whole stage, moves out into the center of the dirt. 256 00:12:13,980 --> 00:12:16,920 It's like, this giant rig that they it's, I don't, I forget how 257 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,200 much it is. It's, like, a couple million dollars. It's nuts. 258 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:19,620 Yeah, I 259 00:12:19,620 --> 00:12:22,940 saw it the other day. You had, like, the the fingers that came 260 00:12:22,940 --> 00:12:23,600 down, yeah, like 261 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,360 the big it looks like, maybe, I don't think star. It's 262 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,640 like a sun. It's like, straight out of close encounters. It's 263 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,620 like, yeah, it looks like a shit. It's like, like a mother 264 00:12:30,620 --> 00:12:31,580 ship. You know what I 265 00:12:31,580 --> 00:12:34,160 mean, is that there permanently, or they just do it once a year? 266 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:35,780 Oh, once a year. Yeah, okay, yeah. 267 00:12:35,780 --> 00:12:37,700 But it's that same one. I'm pretty sure it's the 268 00:12:37,700 --> 00:12:40,840 thing where, you know, Jason, sometimes he'll get salty, and 269 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,320 he said, he said some blue words before, and they were like, 270 00:12:44,380 --> 00:12:47,500 you're never coming back. And every year he comes back. So 271 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,860 pretty amazing. So where's the rest of the band? Is everybody 272 00:12:50,860 --> 00:12:53,440 Nashville based? No, I'm the only one that's Nashville based. 273 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,120 So how does that work with travel? 274 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,200 Um, the the crew side of things is a lot bigger now. There's, 275 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,520 there's actually a good chunk of Nashville people involved now, 276 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,700 but when I originally joined, I was pretty much doing like a 277 00:13:05,700 --> 00:13:09,120 weekly commute to Austin. I'd fly in there, and then I'd Uber 278 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,460 about 30 minutes to Bucha, Texas, and 279 00:13:11,700 --> 00:13:13,800 they cover all that. Yes, sir, yeah. 280 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,580 They were in the what do they call that? The hills, the Hill 281 00:13:17,580 --> 00:13:18,060 Country? 282 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,900 Yeah, I think so. I still don't know my Texas geography that, 283 00:13:20,900 --> 00:13:23,900 well, that's a beautiful area, but, uh, yeah, but beaut is 284 00:13:23,900 --> 00:13:27,440 boring. I was in like a, I was in like a, like a warehouse lot. 285 00:13:27,500 --> 00:13:30,080 There was a backline company. Those guys are they would let me 286 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,300 come in and they, like, sometimes even feed me there. I 287 00:13:32,300 --> 00:13:35,060 was, like a stray dog. When I, yeah, I'd get there, like, six 288 00:13:35,060 --> 00:13:37,520 hours early, 10 hours they just hang out. The manager at the 289 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,440 time would fly me in, like, super early. I don't know if 290 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,100 that was just for convenience or whatever, make sure you get 291 00:13:42,100 --> 00:13:44,380 there. But I was just rolling with it. So I'm like, cool, and 292 00:13:44,380 --> 00:13:50,020 I would just spend my day till buzz call in a warehouse lot in 293 00:13:50,020 --> 00:13:52,780 Bucha, Texas. Yeah, but yeah, just flying. And then I'd fly 294 00:13:52,780 --> 00:13:54,640 back home at Austin every week pretty much 295 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:59,440 so Ohio is not known for Mexican food. So have you developed the 296 00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:02,080 Hey, I, you know what? I grew up near a really good Mexican 297 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:03,600 restaurant. Oh, did you restaurant. Oh, did you, yeah, 298 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:07,560 nice. My buddy Alejandro, his Alejandro dad ran it, and it was 299 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:08,280 fantastic. Did 300 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,860 you the street tacos with the cilantro and the onions and all 301 00:14:10,860 --> 00:14:11,640 that? Yeah, it was, like, 302 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,520 a normal kind of, like, Mexican restaurant. I had, like, all the 303 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,620 burritos, like, kind of wherever you go, but they did it 304 00:14:16,620 --> 00:14:19,920 just really nice. There's really special about Tex Mex though, 305 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:20,720 you know? I mean, oh my 306 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,960 god, yeah, I've had a bunch of it now, and it's, oh my 307 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,480 goodness, it's amazing. I love it so much, dude, 308 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,900 so great. So I'm so glad, man, you know, you just told me, you 309 00:14:29,900 --> 00:14:33,380 just, you're just about turned 30 years old. And, yeah, January 310 00:14:33,380 --> 00:14:36,440 turned 30. Oh, last 30, yeah. And, you know, you got 311 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,920 everything lined up. This gig is not going away. I mean, this kid 312 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:41,920 Parker is going to be doing this thing for 313 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,360 20 years, at least. I think so. And I know that feels like it, 314 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,480 man. Um, at this point I've been in it for a couple years now, so 315 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,840 sometimes I have a hard time telling you know, I see 316 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,660 everything is good, and it feels like it's moving that way. So 317 00:14:55,660 --> 00:14:59,740 does everybody get in the in the band along smashingly? Oh, yeah, 318 00:14:59,740 --> 00:15:02,460 man. And I love that band. Those Those guys have been amazing to 319 00:15:02,460 --> 00:15:06,780 work with. Um, yeah. And we have two new members that joined, and 320 00:15:06,780 --> 00:15:10,860 they just even, even brought it home even more. Yeah, yeah. Man, 321 00:15:10,860 --> 00:15:12,300 fun. Totally great. 322 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,700 Jim, any questions so far? 323 00:15:15,060 --> 00:15:18,660 How was this? You know, we were talking about the smell before. 324 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,520 Oh yeah, yeah. Weirdest smell. Did we dig in deep enough for 325 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:22,760 you? 326 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,420 I don't know. Well for us, I don't think we did. We're 327 00:15:26,420 --> 00:15:27,440 relatively 328 00:15:27,740 --> 00:15:30,200 you know, we got it down. I mean, we I got I 329 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,200 can relate to what you're talking about, the smoky alcohol 330 00:15:33,860 --> 00:15:34,460 smell, 331 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,880 but it didn't even smell like alcohol. It smelled like alcohol 332 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,300 that didn't sitting in your stomach right for a couple of 333 00:15:41,300 --> 00:15:43,780 breath. That's that alcohol breath, because 334 00:15:43,780 --> 00:15:46,960 I remember the the worst smell, like, what would be the weirdest 335 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,920 smell for me, other than Bradford pear trees, which 336 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,360 smells like piss and fish? 337 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,780 What? Maybe that Iggy Pop guy? He probably smells weird. Oh, 338 00:15:55,780 --> 00:15:56,140 there was 339 00:15:56,140 --> 00:15:59,020 like, you know, when he used to play clubs, remember what? 340 00:15:59,020 --> 00:16:01,740 Because in Nashville, I don't think they permit smoking in the 341 00:16:01,740 --> 00:16:04,740 clubs anymore, right? No cigarettes. So back in the day, 342 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,400 the good old days, yeah, in the 90s, when I used to play, 343 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:13,620 getting home at three, 4am and dropping your pants to go to 344 00:16:13,620 --> 00:16:17,640 bed, and that whoosh, the smoke comes out of every smoke, and 345 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,040 the the alcohol was like, oh my Yeah. 346 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,460 And then you're drunk, dropping your pants. Yeah, 347 00:16:22,700 --> 00:16:25,640 from Yeah, because you'd just throw them off. You want to get 348 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:26,060 the bed, 349 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,580 you know. Wait, I don't mean to be you're downstairs. Smelled 350 00:16:28,580 --> 00:16:30,020 like alcohol might. 351 00:16:30,020 --> 00:16:33,320 No, I paid, uh, clubs, I know, but they said and you'd smell 352 00:16:33,500 --> 00:16:35,720 alcohol like you'd smell alcohol down there, 353 00:16:35,900 --> 00:16:38,480 alcohol and smoke and all that was like, 354 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,620 what? So when you open up your drum cases the next 355 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,940 cigarettes that too. I'm glad not to have gear that's covered 356 00:16:45,940 --> 00:16:48,280 in cigarette smoke, yeah, but something about a smoke filled 357 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:48,640 club, 358 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,340 though, we lived through it, and we lived through you could smoke 359 00:16:51,340 --> 00:16:53,020 on airplanes. Honestly, 360 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,480 I would have, I would have loved to rip a heater on a plane. Man, 361 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:56,740 that'd be, that'd be nice 362 00:16:56,860 --> 00:17:00,040 smoking in malls. Remember smoking in That sounds lovely. 363 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:02,460 I know maybe we'll get back to that. Yeah, 364 00:17:02,460 --> 00:17:05,160 in this world, it's so everything is just so PC, and 365 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:06,180 it's all the fun. It's gone 366 00:17:06,180 --> 00:17:08,760 too soft, man. We gotta bring cigarettes back into public 367 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,620 spaces buildings. There's a 368 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,200 part of me that agrees, yeah, man, or at least we have gone 369 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:17,220 soft. The 370 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,320 BNA has a Hoon lounge, a what smoke lounge. Like, who am I 371 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,680 real? Yeah, yeah, um. And, like, a it's, I forget which wing it 372 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:26,900 is, but if you happen to be over there, you're like, Man, I 373 00:17:26,900 --> 00:17:29,960 really want it like a cigarette. Just sounds good right now. You 374 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,480 can walk in there. I don't do it too often, but it also, like, 375 00:17:32,900 --> 00:17:33,200 that's 376 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,300 one thing I have never put in my mouth, actually. 377 00:17:35,300 --> 00:17:40,400 The other we went up to an Elks Lodge, I want to say Madison, 378 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,180 north of Nashville, see a friend's band, yeah. And it was 379 00:17:43,180 --> 00:17:46,120 one of these things where, you know, if you remember, they 380 00:17:46,120 --> 00:17:50,740 allowed smoking inside. And it was like, this is kind of 381 00:17:50,740 --> 00:17:51,460 nostalgic, 382 00:17:51,580 --> 00:17:55,420 yeah, it is. And the second hand smokes kind of nice, yeah. My 383 00:17:55,420 --> 00:17:58,120 grandma smoked like, two packs a day. So whenever we go over 384 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:01,860 there that smell it, whenever I smell it, I feel like I'm home 385 00:18:01,860 --> 00:18:04,440 in a weird way, my parents room, it was just my grandmother's 386 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,780 house. But whenever I smell that, I feel like my grandma's 387 00:18:06,780 --> 00:18:09,540 and it's comforting in a weird way, secret 388 00:18:09,540 --> 00:18:15,480 smell that is embedded in 70s vinyl cars. 70s vehicles, vinyl. 389 00:18:15,780 --> 00:18:17,760 Yeah, that's what I grew up with. It's hard 390 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:18,540 to get out 391 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,320 my parents, man, my mom was a nurse, and this, like, this the 392 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,960 strangest thing, but they would both, they sit on either side of 393 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,840 me at the dinner table, and they just puff smokers in my face, 394 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:31,520 yeah. Like, that's just a normal thing. 1976 Yeah. So I started 395 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,360 playing drums in 1976 you said age 12, that does that wasn't 396 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:36,260 very long, though that was, 397 00:18:36,260 --> 00:18:39,860 well, no, I, I started playing drums. I was like a little baby, 398 00:18:39,860 --> 00:18:43,060 yeah? But, I started playing in church around 12 years old. Oh, 399 00:18:43,060 --> 00:18:43,540 that's when I 400 00:18:43,540 --> 00:18:46,540 church is such a common thing now. So like, every Sunday 401 00:18:46,540 --> 00:18:47,560 you're playing in church. 402 00:18:47,980 --> 00:18:51,160 Yeah, I play the main service. I remember doing like, the youth 403 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,100 band, and that was huge for me, because my parents didn't want 404 00:18:54,100 --> 00:18:57,100 me playing bars or anything. And our church actually had, like, a 405 00:18:57,100 --> 00:19:01,560 really good, not a music program, but just the musicians 406 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,960 that were involved in the youth band and the main church band, 407 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,260 like a lot of them, went and did something musically. It was, it 408 00:19:07,260 --> 00:19:09,240 was a really cool time to be there, when that church was, 409 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,580 like, doing really well, um, it was, yeah, it was fun. And 410 00:19:11,580 --> 00:19:12,480 that's contemporary 411 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:15,420 Christian music, like Michael W Smith and that kind of stuff, 412 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:16,680 yeah, that's, that's what I grew 413 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:21,020 up on, like, um, the early Hill song records, CCM music, Michael 414 00:19:21,020 --> 00:19:24,920 W Smith, pretty much name any early CSM artists we grew up on 415 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,140 that, like the Live worship records. And 416 00:19:27,140 --> 00:19:29,540 isn't that crazy? That's all recorded here. 417 00:19:29,780 --> 00:19:34,160 Yeah. And, man, those, those CCM records, are recorded there. To 418 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,260 me, they're some of the best sounding records ever made, 419 00:19:36,380 --> 00:19:39,380 really, like, like, some of Michael W Smith stuff just 420 00:19:39,380 --> 00:19:40,780 sounds so damn good, yeah, 421 00:19:40,780 --> 00:19:44,200 we had Scott Williamson in here, incredible CCM session drummer. 422 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,480 Yeah, he does all sorts of stuff, but he gets called a lot 423 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,120 to do that stuff. We were just talking about that record that 424 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:53,200 he played on Jesus freak for DC talk, yeah, dude, it still holds 425 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:54,220 up really well, dude, 426 00:19:54,280 --> 00:20:00,480 I had a VHS tape of that. That album was like the. And the live 427 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,000 record that changed my life when I was a little kid, that was, 428 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,260 and I remember, yeah, I yeah, I love that. That was playing back 429 00:20:07,260 --> 00:20:09,900 beats, doing that kind of stuff, right? Yeah. And then, so, when 430 00:20:09,900 --> 00:20:12,360 did the, when did the jazz? What did your parents do? Did they 431 00:20:12,360 --> 00:20:16,080 play music? Or how did you get into the jazz thing? Man, um, 432 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,680 I can tell you exactly when, uh, when I was a really little kid, 433 00:20:19,860 --> 00:20:23,720 I would go to the library and just get, like, 20 CDs. I'd grab 434 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,360 it from every genre, just because, for me, it was just fun 435 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:29,480 to, like, it's free, yeah. And just to, like, sit behind the 436 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,180 drums and just play the music. And just, I loved how my brain 437 00:20:32,180 --> 00:20:35,600 felt. It just felt so reactive. And just I felt so free doing 438 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,020 it. That's cool. And I got a record by an artist named Jamie 439 00:20:39,020 --> 00:20:43,420 column, yes, he's a British Jazz Pop artist, yeah, and he's got a 440 00:20:43,420 --> 00:20:48,040 song called photograph on there, and the piano solo. That's when 441 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:52,480 I was like, I love jazz now, yeah. And just started listening 442 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,000 to that a ton, and ultimately fell in love with it, not 443 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,220 because I wanted to make a career out of that and moved to 444 00:20:57,220 --> 00:20:59,800 New York, but I just loved how it made my playing, my playing 445 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,340 field. It made everything so much easier to play, yeah, and 446 00:21:02,340 --> 00:21:05,040 it was just, and just being able to learn how to express 447 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,500 yourself, you know, spontaneously with other people, 448 00:21:07,500 --> 00:21:10,560 I think, is so valuable. And, yeah, that was just such a fun 449 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,320 time. From there through basically college, I studied it 450 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,320 and was obsessed with it. And then I moved here, and I was 451 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,480 like, all right time to shift gears and learn the national 452 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:18,660 thing. 453 00:21:18,660 --> 00:21:21,620 Back beat it up. So the Cincinnati conservatory, 454 00:21:21,620 --> 00:21:24,200 conservatory for music. It's a mouthful city, University 455 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,600 of Cincinnati, which is also a mouthful too. You can't really 456 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,100 win either way. Art gore 457 00:21:28,100 --> 00:21:31,160 and John Van all and so did you have to audition to get in? 458 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:36,200 Yeah, it was a pretty selective program. And this isn't, this 459 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,780 isn't saying much for me, because I was still, I was wait 460 00:21:38,780 --> 00:21:42,580 listed and put on academic probation. But I think out of 461 00:21:42,580 --> 00:21:45,760 the 3000 people that usually applied, they took 300 Oh, wow. 462 00:21:46,300 --> 00:21:49,540 And it was really, I loved it. It kicked my ass, man. But, but 463 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:54,160 ultimately, once I got, like, once I got accepted and went to 464 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,200 that program, I was there for about three years and 465 00:21:57,340 --> 00:21:59,440 but three years you're so close to graduating, 466 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,380 not if you're, if you're, if you're on the right track, the 467 00:22:04,380 --> 00:22:09,300 way they had the curriculum set up. And basically I there was 468 00:22:09,300 --> 00:22:13,200 one class I didn't pass, and because of that, it offset my 469 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,260 whole schedule for the four years. And because of that one 470 00:22:16,260 --> 00:22:18,780 class, it was realistically going to take me six years to 471 00:22:18,780 --> 00:22:22,760 graduate. Yeah, and, and I still got a ton from the classes. All 472 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,460 the All, everything was accelerated. So I was doing, you 473 00:22:25,580 --> 00:22:28,520 know, we were doing jazz theory. We also had to do a mandatory 474 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,900 minor in classical theory, all the ear training, all the sight 475 00:22:32,900 --> 00:22:36,440 singing, all that stuff, screaming, dude, yeah, and like, 476 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,500 here's the key, here's the music, sing the melody. Oh, 477 00:22:39,500 --> 00:22:40,900 dude, you know that stuff, or, 478 00:22:41,140 --> 00:22:43,540 um, I'd stay up all night working on that kind of Yeah, 479 00:22:43,540 --> 00:22:46,120 because I am not a natural Yeah. Your music school, you, but 480 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:48,520 you're, but you're a natural singer, and you sing background, 481 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,520 yes, sir, in park in Parker's band, which, which is great. So 482 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,860 it's probably not sight screaming for you. You were 483 00:22:53,860 --> 00:22:54,700 actually saying no. But 484 00:22:54,700 --> 00:22:57,820 that really helped that stuff, I think, go from just like a raw 485 00:22:57,820 --> 00:23:01,020 ability that I got from my mom or learned in church and stuff 486 00:23:01,020 --> 00:23:05,460 to it. I didn't really notice how much of an effect positively 487 00:23:05,580 --> 00:23:09,180 my schooling took until I was a few years out of it, yeah, and 488 00:23:09,180 --> 00:23:11,940 doing, like, the stuff I'm doing now, and just how much better it 489 00:23:11,940 --> 00:23:13,740 made my ear and those kind of things, being 490 00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:16,440 able to scribble out a chart, because you Yeah, rhythmic 491 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,760 notation, and actually 492 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:21,020 write out, you know, the exact rhythms that's like, your exact 493 00:23:21,020 --> 00:23:22,820 rest and everything that you're 99 494 00:23:23,180 --> 00:23:27,500 point something more prepared to face anything that gets thrown 495 00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:32,420 at you over Yeah, a lot of guys, yeah. There's a lot of guys, as 496 00:23:32,420 --> 00:23:37,160 you would that have amazing careers that just must white 497 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,800 knuckle it, because they can't write down a reminder for 498 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:46,120 themselves what the rhythm is. So they must have look at the 499 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,460 brains on Brad, you know, like, 500 00:23:48,700 --> 00:23:52,000 you know, from, from, like, they need a charting course or 501 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,680 something. Yes, I feel pretty 502 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,740 lucky. My parents were, they were very good about, you know, 503 00:23:56,740 --> 00:23:59,860 because I wasn't really good at much else. Like, they just, I 504 00:23:59,860 --> 00:24:02,880 was immediately gravitating towards drums and music. And 505 00:24:03,420 --> 00:24:05,340 they were really great about, you know, when they could 506 00:24:05,340 --> 00:24:08,940 getting me drum lessons, you know, drive me to con all, all 507 00:24:08,940 --> 00:24:11,700 the things to, you know, get a proper education. That's the one 508 00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:13,920 thing they could understand. Well, it's like, if he's going 509 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,620 to do this, he needs a good education with it. Yeah, the 510 00:24:16,620 --> 00:24:20,360 other stuff we don't get, he'll, that's him, you know, in terms 511 00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:24,920 of, like, making music and doing the creative thing. But, um, I 512 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,340 was really grateful, from like, sixth grade on to, you know, 513 00:24:28,340 --> 00:24:31,400 have a teacher just literally do the, you know, just go through 514 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,040 the actual flow of a stroke when you're playing the drums, sure, 515 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,620 and do all the basics and really learn that stuff and and 516 00:24:36,620 --> 00:24:38,840 thankfully, like, I have my wrists feel, still feel great. I 517 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,200 haven't messed up my hands. Yeah, I don't have any 518 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:44,680 tendonitis. Yeah, everything still works good, you know, just 519 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,400 strict. You 520 00:24:45,460 --> 00:24:47,920 feel like you have anything like that. 521 00:24:47,980 --> 00:24:53,560 I think that any drummer my age at that plays the way I play is 522 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,120 gonna feel things, you know, and you're 523 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:57,220 working, man, you work harder than I do, like partners, 524 00:24:57,220 --> 00:24:59,920 music's different, yeah, you know, Jason's me, like you're i. 525 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,920 You're going for blood every night, where 526 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,140 this has, like a motorcycle gang, yeah? But, I mean, 527 00:25:04,140 --> 00:25:07,440 there's a way to to look like you're hitting it and you do it 528 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,820 hard, but when you let the stick kind of take the blow, yeah, 529 00:25:11,820 --> 00:25:14,220 yeah, there's a way to do that in the grip that you're holding 530 00:25:14,220 --> 00:25:15,000 it right. And I drop, 531 00:25:15,060 --> 00:25:18,360 I mean, I drop a lot of sticks because I, I'm, I'm barely 532 00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:21,080 holding on, yeah, I've got the fulcrum where you pinch the 533 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,560 fulcrum, then you use these fingers to kind of control and 534 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,320 drive the stigma that you don't constrict it, yeah? And you got 535 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,800 to use your wrist, and also all the right stuff that you learn 536 00:25:30,860 --> 00:25:34,940 from, or playing orchestrally, pulling timpani, yeah, pulling 537 00:25:34,940 --> 00:25:38,360 off timpani, pulling all that stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah. But 538 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:41,120 Jim, yeah, I wake up in the morning, you know, with my left 539 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:44,920 hand, kind of like so like, really, yeah, yeah. You just got 540 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,560 to shake it off. You run it under hot water. You have a hand 541 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,980 massage. Put some bio freeze on. I have a I bought the Big Daddy, 542 00:25:50,980 --> 00:25:53,500 Thera gun, and I used to have 543 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:54,820 those. I lost it. 544 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,240 We have a hand, but you stick your hand in this thing, and it 545 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,740 actually inflates. So, you know, I've been shaking the rust off 546 00:26:01,740 --> 00:26:04,200 myself, and I'm hitting harder and I've ever hit, yeah, I'm 547 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,080 breaking all the sticks. For some reason, my hands feel fine. 548 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,540 They get a little tired, yeah, but I don't feel anything like 549 00:26:09,540 --> 00:26:14,280 carpal tunnel II, you know what I mean. But that hand massager, 550 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,660 what a difference. The 551 00:26:15,660 --> 00:26:18,060 only time my hands were ever, like, consistently, like 552 00:26:18,060 --> 00:26:20,720 hurting, and it was just from, like, playing so much and just 553 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,880 having to, like, work and just try to, like, you know, like, 554 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,460 make it, you just keep things going, pay the bills. Was 555 00:26:25,460 --> 00:26:28,340 playing Broadway. That's a lot of playing with my friend's 556 00:26:28,340 --> 00:26:32,720 band, and then, and then drum line in high school for a season 557 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:33,740 where I marched snare. Did 558 00:26:33,740 --> 00:26:36,680 you ever kind of what? How did you perceive wearing gloves? 559 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,260 Would gloves, where work, it or help? 560 00:26:39,860 --> 00:26:43,420 Man, I hope I would never wear gloves. I hope that doesn't if 561 00:26:43,420 --> 00:26:43,900 anyone 562 00:26:43,900 --> 00:26:46,480 in here, if you guys, work gloves, I do from time to time. 563 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,800 I would rather just lose cows 564 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,480 and rebuild them. And I would never 565 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,280 want to do it, but helps your grip better. I what when I do it 566 00:26:54,340 --> 00:26:57,760 is during the I don't really drop sticks, though colder 567 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:02,400 months, in the colder months, your my skin will split. Mine 568 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,400 does that though that's Oh yeah. Mine splits really bad. Then 569 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:05,760 I'll put 570 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,600 the with Johnny, and I carry tons and new skin around. So 571 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,320 yeah. So we'll put the hydrogen peroxide in there to clean it. 572 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,280 Then we put on layers and layers of new skin. I might even gaff 573 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,740 tape that up. And then I'll throw on the the Zildjian glove 574 00:27:21,740 --> 00:27:22,940 on my left hand. 575 00:27:23,060 --> 00:27:25,700 Honestly, that might be a safe because mine do the exact same 576 00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:28,280 thing. And there I'm talking, like, huge splits. Yeah, I don't 577 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,240 know why, but whenever we tour in the winter and it just, you 578 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,120 get through it, or you forget about it during the show. But 579 00:27:35,180 --> 00:27:38,600 what's happened? Man, I usually get them, like, right along, 580 00:27:38,660 --> 00:27:41,800 like my finger, or along, it's like my fingerprint, where the 581 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,420 little crevices are the fingerprint, 582 00:27:43,420 --> 00:27:47,380 really, so along the along the print, yeah, it's, 583 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,560 it hurts, man. It sucks, playing with it. But you, I mean, I 584 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,500 forget about when I'm playing, but after I'm like, I realize it 585 00:27:53,500 --> 00:27:54,040 again. I'm like, 586 00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:57,280 What about doing the tape thing? The gauze taper on your like, 587 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,840 Alex Van Halen, I did super 588 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,140 glue for a while, really, just because it was just because it 589 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,600 was just like, you know, fuck it up 590 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,900 during the show. I mean, Johnny will get out to strips of gaff 591 00:28:06,900 --> 00:28:09,600 tape, that's smart, and I'll just wrap gaff tape. And it 592 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,120 always happens here on the pinky, because it's, you know, I 593 00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:14,400 don't see your smallest finger, and it's soaking up all this 594 00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:17,280 shock from from back beats sticks 595 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,780 draw your fingers up too. Yeah, man, can't win. It's a tough 596 00:28:20,780 --> 00:28:21,320 one. So 597 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,880 you just learn to deal. And you know, we're so involved in in 598 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,780 that happy place. And you know, music is taking us over. And so 599 00:28:29,780 --> 00:28:31,820 sometimes you're, you're playing the gig, and you look down, 600 00:28:31,820 --> 00:28:34,340 there's like blood all over your drums. You've cut yourself. You 601 00:28:34,340 --> 00:28:36,800 didn't even know when you did it. Yeah, you know, it's 602 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:37,700 amazing. Or the 603 00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:40,360 cymbal pinch. I've only done this a couple times, but it's, 604 00:28:40,420 --> 00:28:44,380 oh my god, you got to pinch the symbol, yeah. And then are like, 605 00:28:44,380 --> 00:28:47,080 hint and pinch. And then you Whack, whack your finger, like, 606 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,560 that shit out of you. Oh my god. And then you got to keep 607 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:51,280 players, like, 608 00:28:52,180 --> 00:28:55,720 screaming. So for this, you ever hurt yourself and scream, 609 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,360 no, I just, I just try to keep moving while you're playing. No, 610 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:01,620 I just try to keep moving. Yeah, 611 00:29:01,620 --> 00:29:04,260 I'm saying, and then I gotta talk. 612 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,860 Why is he saying, Mother, 613 00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:11,820 you've got all those damn mics back there. Because you've got a 614 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,300 count, a real mic. You've got a Yeah, bitch Mike, you've got 615 00:29:15,300 --> 00:29:16,080 all, you know, yeah, I 616 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,440 got a, I got a vocal mic for and, but we hired a singer this 617 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,300 year, so, and honestly, it was great news for me, because I was 618 00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:27,020 singing every song, and on top of that, doing count ins, you 619 00:29:27,020 --> 00:29:30,140 know, and cueing, you know, songs, and doing the set, you 620 00:29:30,140 --> 00:29:34,880 know, just all that stuff kind of, and it, it's been a lot, you 621 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,340 know, and learning it at first, because I never did that when I 622 00:29:37,340 --> 00:29:39,260 joined them, and they're like, oh yeah, we need you to, like, 623 00:29:39,260 --> 00:29:41,860 count off all these songs, or that cue stuff, like, in the 624 00:29:41,860 --> 00:29:44,920 show and, yeah, and also, like, singing on every song. And I was 625 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,640 like, Man, this is like, Q stuff, yeah, just like chorus up 626 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,400 here, you know. Or, you know, we might have a song like the 627 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,060 Houston rodeo. We had the outro, you know, on, um, his song, burn 628 00:29:55,060 --> 00:29:57,520 it down while he's on his the horse, riding around, doing the 629 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,680 thing, yeah, and the stage is spinning and he's going the 630 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,160 other. And you're kind of, like, trying to and then there's a 631 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,280 dude in your talk back who's going, all right, he's off. And 632 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,320 then, like, All right, guys, we're going out and what four 633 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,080 more measures, yeah, like, you know, this is it kind of doing 634 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,020 that kind of stuff. And we're directing traffic. We are, we're 635 00:30:13,020 --> 00:30:15,900 traffic cops. But then I was singing on every song too, 636 00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:16,800 so be like, 637 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,400 like, it was stupid, man. That'd be really interesting with your 638 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,140 posture, breath support. It made 639 00:30:24,140 --> 00:30:28,580 me think about that stuff. Yeah, a lot more. Again, it was, it 640 00:30:28,580 --> 00:30:30,740 was great, like, really making sure I, like, sitting up 641 00:30:30,740 --> 00:30:33,560 straight, you know, and and just being like, Man, I'm gonna 642 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,560 breathe so much more. You know, some of the shows I would get a 643 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,560 little light headed because I'm like, Oh my gosh, this is a lot. 644 00:30:41,060 --> 00:30:43,000 But, yeah, figuring that out. But yeah, they hired a new 645 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,180 singer named Aubrey sellers, who's fantastic. Yeah, I know 646 00:30:46,180 --> 00:30:49,900 their name. Yeah, her, her father, forgive me, I forget his 647 00:30:49,900 --> 00:30:54,100 name, but he produced Parker's recent record. Her mom is Leanne 648 00:30:54,100 --> 00:30:57,880 Womack, oh, okay, but she's awesome, and she's in the band 649 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,260 now. She's on tour with us full time, and she's being fantastic. 650 00:31:01,260 --> 00:31:02,040 Jason sellers, 651 00:31:03,300 --> 00:31:05,880 yes, yeah, yeah, that's produced 652 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:06,660 part. And then 653 00:31:06,660 --> 00:31:09,300 she sang on the record too. So it's just, it's perfect man and 654 00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:12,720 and I can only sing like a female so much, you know, I was 655 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,880 always seeing all these high parts, you know, I can only 656 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,820 sound so like, yeah, you know. And having a real woman sing 657 00:31:17,820 --> 00:31:22,100 real female parts, yes, I'm so happy. Are you doing falsetto or 658 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,240 Yeah, I was singing on top all the time. And I, you know, just, 659 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,300 I grew up around my mom. She had a really beautiful falsetto. And 660 00:31:29,300 --> 00:31:33,140 I guess I just kind of, what your folks do. You know, my mom 661 00:31:33,140 --> 00:31:36,560 was a stay at home mom. She worked for the county clerk's 662 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,120 office in Springboro, Ohio for, I think, a second, and then my 663 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:46,000 dad worked at fifth, third bank. Okay, for most of I think of us 664 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,300 being raised in Dayton, and then we moved to Centerville, just a 665 00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:52,120 better school system. We were homeschooled back in Dayton and 666 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,660 moved to Centerville, Ohio, and that that's where I kind of grew 667 00:31:55,660 --> 00:31:58,000 a lot musically, because they're like, alright, he loves drums. 668 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,480 We got to get them all into a better, you know, better school 669 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,840 district or school system. And so once I went there, and 670 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,480 Centerville High School had an incredible music and arts 671 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,880 program. Oh, that's great. They had so many bands and so and 672 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,460 that's where I just flourished. And I just ran with it, yeah? 673 00:32:11,460 --> 00:32:12,540 Because so much fun. You 674 00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:15,120 got stage band, you got pep band, you got the orchestra, 675 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,280 yeah, marching band, that's five 676 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:19,920 Symphonic Band, and they have the orchestra and the actual 677 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,140 band come together and you have competitions. 678 00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:24,920 And I did that too. I mean, I tried to do it, all of it, man, 679 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:29,180 I had zero interest in athletics. I wish I had been 680 00:32:29,180 --> 00:32:31,760 more of an athlete. As a younger person, I'm way more of an 681 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:32,600 athlete now. 682 00:32:32,660 --> 00:32:34,460 Yeah, you're an athlete. Bad son. Do 683 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,520 you do marching band? Yeah? Eight years marching bands? 684 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:38,660 Pretty 685 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,960 athletic. Yeah? Pretty kidding me. They call us the band geeks. 686 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,720 You know what I mean? It's like, Yeah, but the guys in my band 687 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,380 are like, there's a difference between being in a band and 688 00:32:47,380 --> 00:32:49,660 being in band. But 689 00:32:49,660 --> 00:32:52,300 dude, like anyone, anyone great chop building, anyone 690 00:32:52,300 --> 00:32:55,840 who can play a flugelhorn and run around on a field for like, 691 00:32:55,900 --> 00:32:56,620 20 minutes, 692 00:32:56,620 --> 00:33:01,200 that's athletic. That's insane, dude. But you also did, what'd 693 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:01,560 you do if 694 00:33:02,700 --> 00:33:05,100 you're listening to this podcast? It means you're already 695 00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:07,560 looking to improve your drumming. 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Of course, we 702 00:33:27,860 --> 00:33:31,040 address all your questions, and my deep curriculum has helped 703 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,520 players of all kinds move the ball down the field to be closer 704 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,220 to their goals, even getting accepted to college music 705 00:33:37,220 --> 00:33:41,200 programs, moving to that dream music town, getting gigs and 706 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,160 keeping them. Find out more about my one on one day. Drum 707 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:52,720 tensive. Go to drumtensive.com. D, R, U, m, t, e, n, s, i, v, 708 00:33:52,780 --> 00:33:53,200 e.com, 709 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,540 drumtensive.com 710 00:33:58,540 --> 00:34:00,480 that's insane, dude, but you also did, 711 00:34:01,980 --> 00:34:03,300 what'd you do? A speed skater? 712 00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:08,400 Yeah, right. Substitute teacher speaks. Didn't you watch his 713 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,960 document? I was also, 714 00:34:13,260 --> 00:34:16,740 no, he has a documentary. We filmed the documentary. I gotta 715 00:34:16,740 --> 00:34:17,760 watch this now. 22 716 00:34:18,420 --> 00:34:21,140 I don't know if it's holding up. I mean, maybe were 717 00:34:21,140 --> 00:34:23,180 you, like, competitive? It was, it was, it was 718 00:34:23,180 --> 00:34:26,480 a photograph in time. It was, I wrote down. I wrote down 719 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:28,640 photograph from mentioning it before. It was 720 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:32,000 a snapshot of time. It was a snapshot in time, friends for 721 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,720 like, 19 years. Yeah, and we met initially because I was 722 00:34:35,720 --> 00:34:39,500 interested in voiceover, which I ended up pursuing and doing 723 00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:43,780 stuff for me. Just like while I was because I've been here 28 724 00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:47,020 years, so, which is really strange. By 725 00:34:47,020 --> 00:34:50,740 the time you were there for when you and I met, you were there 726 00:34:50,740 --> 00:34:52,060 for about nine years. Yeah, 727 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,640 yeah, wow, Jim, yeah, I've known you longer than not knowing you. 728 00:34:58,180 --> 00:35:01,500 You know? I mean, that's crazy. It's really crazy. It's crazy, 729 00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:04,740 it's crazy, crazy, it's crazy. So, so your parents were 730 00:35:04,740 --> 00:35:08,280 supportive. Amazing. That's fantastic. Who's your first drum 731 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:08,820 hero? 732 00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:12,900 My first drum hero could be a jazz guy, 733 00:35:15,180 --> 00:35:19,200 man. I think one of my real first, you know, drummers that I 734 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,820 saw on a professional scale where I was like, really doing, 735 00:35:22,820 --> 00:35:25,820 I was just like, yeah, that's it. That's I want to, I want to 736 00:35:25,820 --> 00:35:28,640 be like, This guy was a guy named Teddy Campbell. Oh yeah, 737 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,140 yeah, man, fucker on the voice he did. He was in the first 738 00:35:33,140 --> 00:35:36,620 american idol band. And I just, and back when American Idol was 739 00:35:36,620 --> 00:35:39,500 like crazy, you know. And and our family, my mom, like 740 00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:42,080 everyone in my family, sings, so we'd always watch American all 741 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,080 together. And, yeah, could all together. And yeah, could take 742 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,200 the singers, or my mom was a vocal coach too, but yeah, 743 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,600 watching him play with that band, man, and play every 744 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,300 different song and style and just deliver 745 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,480 Yeah. Nate Morton is the new Kenny Campbell. 746 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,140 I love yeah for the voice. Yeah Nate. He's great, man. And 747 00:35:59,140 --> 00:36:03,360 then he, you know, that band was Cher's band. And then they go 748 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:08,520 and they go, and they also do all the ESPN awards, all these, 749 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,880 I don't know, athletic award shows. They're the gram he's in 750 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:16,500 the Grammy band. So whenever you see someone doing the Grammys 751 00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:20,780 that doesn't obviously is not playing the tracks, yeah, that's 752 00:36:20,780 --> 00:36:24,740 the Grammy band they so this, this last Grammys. They had 80 753 00:36:24,740 --> 00:36:29,480 cues, and it was Nate and like Leland scar Sklar playing, yes. 754 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,480 And I have my first session coming up with the Leland scar 755 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,380 next Wednesday. I'm tracking four songs, and then the tracks 756 00:36:36,380 --> 00:36:39,440 are getting sent to Pasadena, California, and he's gonna put 757 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,500 bass, yeah, on my tracks. Man, 758 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,200 what do you think? So, make sure he's dancing first situation of 759 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,060 politics and Americans again. Oh, 760 00:36:46,060 --> 00:36:47,080 yeah, no, I 761 00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:50,860 yeah, I avoid those conversations. Here's the 762 00:36:50,860 --> 00:36:51,160 tracks. 763 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,860 Also, what do you think about Tesla you own? When you 764 00:36:53,860 --> 00:36:56,440 get a buy one? Do you own anything? Again, you know, going 765 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,540 back to what you guys talked about, you were talking about 766 00:36:58,540 --> 00:37:02,340 drumming in the cold, and it brought back a an image, yeah, 767 00:37:02,340 --> 00:37:05,160 because I was a big neil peart guy, yeah. And I believe it 768 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,200 might have been in Modern Drummer. Had to have been 769 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,040 because there was no Internet back then. There was a picture 770 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,700 of him bundled up. I guess they were doing an outdoor Jones 771 00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:18,720 Beach type of amphitheater show, right, yeah. And he had, like a 772 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:23,600 hat on scarf around, playing outside. You know, I guess they 773 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,900 were doing a sound check or whatever. And I'm going, how in 774 00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:30,800 the world you gotta love it. You gotta play that music for three 775 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,120 hours. In what 40 degree weather, the space heater on? 776 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,820 Maybe, I don't know. I did. I couldn't he was that a big Oh, 777 00:37:37,820 --> 00:37:40,720 you could tell he's smiling, but he only had his eyes showing 778 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:43,660 through. Yeah, and it's a classic. You could probably find 779 00:37:43,660 --> 00:37:47,680 it on, on the on the Google, good lord. But my gosh, wow, 780 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,720 yeah, yeah, we imagine, man. So 781 00:37:49,780 --> 00:37:52,600 you guys will probably do it, if you haven't done it yet, but 782 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:57,700 they'll put you out on the the veranda at 30 rock outside the 783 00:37:57,700 --> 00:38:01,140 Today show. Oh, I hope not, man, the winter, and we would be out 784 00:38:01,140 --> 00:38:03,600 there and it would be like, you know, like, five degrees or 785 00:38:03,780 --> 00:38:06,780 something, and we'd be like, Oh my God. And so they would, you 786 00:38:06,780 --> 00:38:11,520 know, the staff would pass you around these, yeah. And then you 787 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,740 gotta do, you gotta do the thing you 788 00:38:13,740 --> 00:38:16,620 play to, like, a live, recorded performance. Or, do you guys do 789 00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:18,060 it live or live, live. 790 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:24,260 We're lucky that for 20 years we have been the go to live, live 791 00:38:24,260 --> 00:38:27,980 band, which is, which is always nice, you know, how many people 792 00:38:27,980 --> 00:38:32,120 do that? But, you know, we just did the opening of the national 793 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:38,540 final rodeos in Vegas. And we, we mime to attract, you know, 794 00:38:38,540 --> 00:38:40,780 but, but, you know, I write everything out, yeah to the 795 00:38:40,780 --> 00:38:43,600 track, so I'm hitting it so that no one can ever tell Yeah, and I 796 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,940 just tape it to my bass drum. You could do the same thing, 797 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,260 because you know how to read music. I love you for it. Man. 798 00:38:50,260 --> 00:38:53,680 That's amazing. I made a difference for you, right? I 799 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,100 mean, oh yeah. What did you do? You've been here eight, nine 800 00:38:57,100 --> 00:38:59,920 years before you got Parker's gig for the first six years, or 801 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:03,360 whatever. I know you were supplementing with Uber, but did 802 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,300 you do anybody else's gig? Were you playing around town? Yeah. 803 00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:08,520 So any funny stories the Uber thing 804 00:39:08,580 --> 00:39:12,660 was only when I first moved to town, because I, I was just, you 805 00:39:12,660 --> 00:39:14,940 know, I didn't realize how nervous it was about trying to 806 00:39:14,940 --> 00:39:17,400 meet people. Because I was like, well, these people could be my 807 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,740 friends, but they're also people I might gig with. And so that 808 00:39:19,740 --> 00:39:21,920 means my friends are people I'm making money with. And so 809 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,380 there's and, you know, I was, I was really bad about going out 810 00:39:24,380 --> 00:39:28,100 the first couple of months, but then I finally met and they 811 00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:31,700 become lifelong friends. A bunch of them, a girl named Rachel 812 00:39:31,700 --> 00:39:34,940 hoarder, guitar player named Seth Cook, another guitar player 813 00:39:34,940 --> 00:39:38,120 named Riley Bria. Seth Cook, yeah, great guitar player, man, 814 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,320 he's filled in with a bunch of people. Incredible him and 815 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,680 Riley. Riley Bria is absolutely like, incredible guitar players. 816 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,460 They were my roommates at one point, but I met them, and then 817 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,720 the singer, Rachel hoarder, incredible singer, and she was 818 00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:55,000 really great at getting stuff downtown on Broadway. And 819 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,180 finally, like a spot open to play drums, the other drummer 820 00:39:58,180 --> 00:40:00,600 couldn't make it, so I started playing with. Them. And we do 821 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,500 every Tuesday at old red, nice. It was great, man. We played 822 00:40:04,500 --> 00:40:08,760 from like eight to one or like midnight, and that was just we. 823 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,700 That wasn't the priority for us, but we're like, man, we need to 824 00:40:11,700 --> 00:40:14,700 pay our bills. I'd rather do it playing music, yeah, and playing 825 00:40:14,700 --> 00:40:16,620 with, you know, great people. Who else so you 826 00:40:16,620 --> 00:40:20,060 could pay your bills, playing four times a month at old red. I 827 00:40:20,060 --> 00:40:20,480 lived 828 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,620 very cheap, you know, I, you know, tell 829 00:40:26,540 --> 00:40:28,100 very, very, you know, 830 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,580 do you regret not getting out there sooner? Like, how long did 831 00:40:31,580 --> 00:40:34,580 it take you to start getting out a couple months? You said, Yeah, 832 00:40:34,580 --> 00:40:34,640 I 833 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,220 was just, I was just initially worried about the initial shock 834 00:40:37,220 --> 00:40:40,900 of, like, oh my gosh, I have no money. Like, I don't even have 835 00:40:40,900 --> 00:40:43,540 the right size drums for any gigs, you know, or the right 836 00:40:43,540 --> 00:40:45,400 symbols. I had stuff from music school 837 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,640 and but you're, you're an extrovert. I think I 838 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:52,600 totally am. I think just moving here, just the, you know, the 839 00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,900 financial pressure at the time, and just just figuring out life 840 00:40:55,900 --> 00:40:57,640 too at the time, but it was just because it's 841 00:40:57,820 --> 00:41:01,140 more expensive than it was 28 years ago, 100% and you could 842 00:41:01,140 --> 00:41:02,340 live. I've 843 00:41:02,340 --> 00:41:04,500 been I was really good at finding cheap rent, you know, 844 00:41:04,500 --> 00:41:06,600 and I could get people, you know, that was pretty easy to 845 00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,420 get along with, you know, and finding, like, a decent space 846 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:13,320 with other musicians sometimes. And like, my first place I paid 847 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,380 rent and was like, 200 bucks, yeah, one month, yeah. And it 848 00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:20,040 was a full house. It was like two other people. I can find 849 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,600 cheap rent at the time. Great life 850 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,280 skill, life hack, yeah, because I got, I got all my students 851 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,960 that I teach, like, yeah, they're in their meeting. Don't 852 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:30,140 need 853 00:41:30,140 --> 00:41:33,020 to pay $1,800 a month for an apartment. And they're like, 854 00:41:33,020 --> 00:41:33,620 Where should I look? 855 00:41:33,620 --> 00:41:36,500 I'm like, Well, you know, most people like to go south, you 856 00:41:36,500 --> 00:41:40,120 know, Brentwood Franklin, you know, or you can go up to 857 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,660 Hendersonville, or, you know, you could be right in the heart 858 00:41:43,660 --> 00:41:47,020 of it all. You could be in East Nashville. But some places 859 00:41:47,020 --> 00:41:49,180 aren't safe. So, you know, I 860 00:41:49,180 --> 00:41:51,820 never, I never really thought about safety, yeah, or anything 861 00:41:51,820 --> 00:41:56,620 either. I lived in one part of town that was like frequent the 862 00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:00,540 house behind was abandoned. There were meth heads living 863 00:42:00,540 --> 00:42:02,820 there, and they burn their shit there so you could smell that. 864 00:42:02,940 --> 00:42:03,180 Did 865 00:42:03,180 --> 00:42:05,580 they like to hear, listen to you practice? Yeah. Well, the 866 00:42:05,580 --> 00:42:07,800 only reason I moved there is because the dude that owned the 867 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,440 house, his parents owned it or something, and he lived there, 868 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,560 but had a studio in the garage, but it was during COVID. And I'm 869 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,860 like, well, well shit, I can, like, record here. So, you know, 870 00:42:16,860 --> 00:42:18,780 that was, like, my real motivation. The room was 871 00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:21,120 terrible. Everything about it was terrible, yeah? But I was 872 00:42:21,180 --> 00:42:23,660 like, Man, this is great. But then there's gunshots constantly 873 00:42:23,660 --> 00:42:27,260 at this gas station on the corner, and there are always 874 00:42:27,260 --> 00:42:30,200 cops there. But I just ignored 875 00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,180 it. The guy that owns the gas station trying to find good help 876 00:42:35,180 --> 00:42:36,380 to work that place. 877 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,540 Dude, it's and the other guy that was his angle, the other 878 00:42:40,540 --> 00:42:42,820 guy, he would hear the gunshots and be like, I'm gonna go check 879 00:42:42,820 --> 00:42:45,220 it out, make sure people are safe. I'm like, What the hell, 880 00:42:45,220 --> 00:42:47,560 man, I'm gonna go into the frame. I'm like, what kind of 881 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,840 hero? And at the time, I'm like, man, like, you must have good 882 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,700 health insurance or something. Like, what are you doing? 883 00:42:51,700 --> 00:42:54,640 So 200 bucks for a house is this word of mouth? 884 00:42:55,660 --> 00:42:58,540 Man, I just Yeah. I would just find places like on I'd look on 885 00:42:58,540 --> 00:43:03,120 marketplace, and if I found a house that looked cool, they 886 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:05,760 always wanted, like, yeah, come over and let's let us meet you 887 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,580 first. And I think most of the places I found that people 888 00:43:08,580 --> 00:43:11,400 thought I was like, Hey, he's a really nice guy. He's not, you 889 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:16,020 know, this is fine, you know? And, yeah, I could just, I don't 890 00:43:16,020 --> 00:43:19,140 know, honestly, half the time, I don't know how, looking back and 891 00:43:19,140 --> 00:43:22,280 just hear about a place, you're like, Oh, really. Like, yeah, 892 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,460 man, I'm looking for a spot. How much is it? Man, it's like, 893 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,460 really cheap. This much, I'd be like, Oh, it. But I've lived in 894 00:43:28,460 --> 00:43:32,600 a couple places where it was like, man, like, during COVID, I 895 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,780 lived in a house that, like, I got sold. You know, I had to 896 00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:38,120 move a couple times during COVID. It was a mess. But I 897 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,600 lived at one house, and it was a little weird, the dude who owned 898 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:43,480 it and stuff like, but I was just again. I was just like, 899 00:43:43,540 --> 00:43:46,840 locker bedroom. I was all just focused on just gigging and 900 00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,480 playing and just hustling and then, and then trying to, like, 901 00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:50,200 just pay the bills. 902 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,720 Was your mindset coming to town? How many? How many years were 903 00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:54,460 you going to give it? 904 00:43:54,700 --> 00:43:58,000 I wasn't thinking about that. I remember. I remember at one 905 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,560 point, though, a couple years in, having a real conversation 906 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,560 with myself and going like, man, if let's just say on the side 907 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,620 that things don't work out, you're only going to get older. 908 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:12,720 You need to, at some point, decide when you need to not take 909 00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:16,380 your goals away, but supplement some things to take care of 910 00:44:16,380 --> 00:44:19,020 yourself. I remember thinking about that a couple years like, 911 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,980 like, five years ago, yeah, and not even because I was an issue. 912 00:44:21,980 --> 00:44:25,040 I was still young, and I'm like, I can take it. I don't have to 913 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:25,760 make a lot 914 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,760 of money right now. You still are young. Oh man, 915 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,580 thank you. Thank you. Don't ever think you're wrong. Thank you. 916 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,000 30. I love 30. I'm very excited for the 30s. But yeah, 30s are 917 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:35,240 good. 918 00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:38,840 Yeah, when you hit 30, it kind of feels like, Oh my god. It 919 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,500 feels like how it feels my parents 20s probably felt in 920 00:44:41,500 --> 00:44:44,980 terms of economy and just everything, yeah, feel like it's 921 00:44:44,980 --> 00:44:46,120 the new 20s. What was 922 00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,680 your big like, first big break, Big Shot gig that you felt like, 923 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,740 okay, there's something going on here. It 924 00:44:53,740 --> 00:44:56,740 was, did somebody have a shot before Parker? No. 925 00:44:56,740 --> 00:44:59,320 Parker was. It's honestly that that was the, the biggest 926 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,540 opportunity. I. Forgot for me, it was like I said, playing on 927 00:45:03,540 --> 00:45:08,040 Broadway every Tuesday. But then I was also, and when I wasn't 928 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,500 doing that, I was playing with other people on the road. It was 929 00:45:10,500 --> 00:45:13,380 a lot of, like, mid level act stuff, you know, nothing crazy. 930 00:45:13,380 --> 00:45:16,920 A lot of vans, just like the typical kind of thing, or a lot 931 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,500 of pickup trucks too. A lot of these love to tour and pickup 932 00:45:19,500 --> 00:45:20,100 trucks, just 933 00:45:20,340 --> 00:45:22,640 like, there's only you could only fit maybe four people. 934 00:45:23,060 --> 00:45:24,140 Yeah, married the big some 935 00:45:24,140 --> 00:45:26,720 of them had the big cat, but yeah, it was. It'd be a small 936 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:31,280 band, or be also running tracks. They'd pull a trailer. And any 937 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,240 of these dudes I played for, they always would drive the 938 00:45:35,240 --> 00:45:38,180 whole time. And they, sometimes these dudes would drive like, 30 939 00:45:38,180 --> 00:45:41,500 hours straight. What? Yeah, it was wild man. Some of these 940 00:45:41,500 --> 00:45:42,220 country boys can 941 00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:46,240 drive just forever. I wouldn't let anybody else drive, no. 942 00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:48,700 And honestly, if anyone ever asked me to drive and I didn't 943 00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:51,580 really know the guys, I would take the latest one at night, 944 00:45:51,580 --> 00:45:54,040 and then I would just jerk the wheel really hard a couple times 945 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,200 and scare them, and they didn't really know me, some of these 946 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,480 guys I'd play with, and that way you could just go, and they'd be 947 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,840 like, Yo, dude, you're terrible at driving, like, because I 948 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,300 didn't want to drive. You know, if it was with homies, I would, 949 00:46:03,300 --> 00:46:05,640 I was happy to, but if it was just like, hey, there's just a 950 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,580 gig, I just, you know, this is last place hard 951 00:46:08,580 --> 00:46:12,480 to ever drove, hard to get any sleep. Or even just, like, even 952 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,180 just close your eyes, like sleeping on a plane, if you 953 00:46:15,180 --> 00:46:19,740 don't know who's driving and if they're going to stay awake, 954 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,180 you know, I guess that the same kind of thing on a bus, though, 955 00:46:23,180 --> 00:46:24,500 too, yeah? But these guys, 956 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,340 now, the drivers, those guys, I trust my life with our driver. 957 00:46:28,340 --> 00:46:31,760 Yeah, I never worry about that guy. You never hear the rare Oh, 958 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:32,540 yeah. Honestly, 959 00:46:32,540 --> 00:46:36,140 I gotta, I gotta our we have a great driver. I never really 960 00:46:36,140 --> 00:46:39,620 hear rumble strips. No, I never he's fantastic. If you do, 961 00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,540 you open the door. You going, Hey, man, what's up? 962 00:46:43,660 --> 00:46:46,720 If they're really riding them? Yeah, see the coke. He needs 963 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:48,160 something good. Yeah. 964 00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,640 Do the busses have, like, lane assist? Lane Keep Assist. I 965 00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:52,600 don't know that stuff now, 966 00:46:52,660 --> 00:46:55,180 no, but I talked about it with our driver. I was like, I'm 967 00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:57,700 shocked. They haven't integrated that into busses, adaptive 968 00:46:57,700 --> 00:47:01,020 cruise control, all that stuff, just to kind of jump in for an 969 00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:04,140 emergency. But newer model prevos, 970 00:47:04,140 --> 00:47:07,320 they probably do. You ever do the shotgun, you know, and watch 971 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,580 the America? Oh, 972 00:47:08,580 --> 00:47:11,280 yeah, I ride up there all the time with our just hang out with 973 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,240 our drivers. Rarely I 974 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:14,940 do that and but in recent years, it's like, man, hey, there's, 975 00:47:14,940 --> 00:47:17,340 there's this whole other world up 976 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,440 here. Massive window, amazing. Yeah, that'd be great. I love 977 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:22,160 doing that more 978 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,340 often. I could see myself driving a tour bus, like, if I, 979 00:47:26,180 --> 00:47:28,580 you know, life was different. I just wanted to kind of have 980 00:47:28,580 --> 00:47:31,280 purpose and wake up. Did all the things I want to do. I'm just 981 00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:32,660 gonna drive a tour bus. 982 00:47:32,660 --> 00:47:34,760 Yeah? But you got, you got a piss clean though, man, that's 983 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,340 not fun. That's fun, if you're good with that, then, yeah, 984 00:47:37,340 --> 00:47:40,160 that's the best job ever. Can't have your gummies. No gummies. 985 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,180 Yeah? No gummies, nothing. You can't really, yeah, no, no, it's 986 00:47:43,420 --> 00:47:43,840 pretty 987 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,000 good money too. If you have like, three days off, I think 988 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:46,120 you 989 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,300 can, you there's like, one of those days you can drink as long 990 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,240 as there's, like, two days after some rule or something. 991 00:47:52,300 --> 00:47:54,640 Oh, it's the drinking too. Geez, that's crazy. 992 00:47:55,180 --> 00:47:56,620 I again, I don't, I don't know. 993 00:47:57,100 --> 00:47:58,360 And, no, they, they, 994 00:48:00,460 --> 00:48:03,660 you know, show yourself up. You can if you get you can if you 995 00:48:03,660 --> 00:48:05,820 get caught, yeah. Now we've always had 996 00:48:05,820 --> 00:48:09,540 great drivers. In our early days of touring, we had this amazing, 997 00:48:09,540 --> 00:48:12,840 God rest his soul. Tour manager, The Wiz, and he was, I remember 998 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,440 him. He did tons of time with the Doobie Brothers and Travis 999 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,440 tritt, and he was curmudgeon, Frampton. He's a total 1000 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:24,980 curmudgeon, but that was his seat, up up in shotgun. No one 1001 00:48:24,980 --> 00:48:28,700 else. No, that was his spot. So that ate up years of my touring 1002 00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:29,180 career. So, 1003 00:48:29,180 --> 00:48:31,700 so if you sat in that seat, what do you get? Like, you're 1004 00:48:31,700 --> 00:48:35,480 like, Richie, go back to your damn bunk. What? 1005 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:39,140 Yeah, so that actually happened here. You guys are, you know, 1006 00:48:39,140 --> 00:48:42,460 you're pretty much the reason why he's getting paid. People 1007 00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:45,700 are coming to see you guys, so he pulled that card on you, like 1008 00:48:45,700 --> 00:48:48,400 he postured to you guys, and said, Get out of my seat. I've 1009 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:49,600 been doing this longer than me. 1010 00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:52,060 Well, he was an older gentleman, yeah? And it's just out of 1011 00:48:52,060 --> 00:48:53,680 respect for your elders, you know, 1012 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,260 yeah. But for you, what do you have, like, a Nobel Peace Prize 1013 00:48:56,260 --> 00:48:58,180 or something? Did he like cure disease? Or 1014 00:48:59,020 --> 00:49:01,680 you have to meet the guy who, like, you know, he was, 1015 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,480 he was, I met him. I met him on occasion. And it was like, All 1016 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,240 right, I get you, yeah, I see what you're doing. Just make it 1017 00:49:09,240 --> 00:49:11,160 work. You've been doing. You're just salt of the earth. 1018 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,100 He's like, I don't want to do this anymore, but I'm doing it. 1019 00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:16,560 This is all I know how to do. Yeah? What? Yeah? Is that kind 1020 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,860 of a thing, you know? Oh, my God, he had done decades and 1021 00:49:19,860 --> 00:49:23,600 decades. He had lived through the golden age of rock and roll. 1022 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,860 And you know, he was worn out. He was in and he was still 1023 00:49:27,860 --> 00:49:31,760 going, still gone. I should be retired on a beach in Florida by 1024 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,760 now, but I'm still on this frigging bus smelling your 1025 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,820 smokey pants. Got to invest but 1026 00:49:37,820 --> 00:49:40,360 I'm glad I met him one night at the red door, because that was 1027 00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:45,280 the last time I saw him alive. When was that? This was, God, at 1028 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:46,120 least a decade ago. I 1029 00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,460 thought you meant this was, like, recent, like you said, I 1030 00:49:48,460 --> 00:49:50,260 was like, good, no, you gotta remember, 1031 00:49:50,260 --> 00:49:52,900 I've been with these guys in this band, you know, since for 1032 00:49:52,900 --> 00:49:56,920 26 years. That's right, yeah, you've been, you know, that 1033 00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,240 crazy man. That's nuts, I 1034 00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:01,140 know. So you get a deal with Kravid. I. Shadow. That's cool. 1035 00:50:01,140 --> 00:50:02,940 We brought that up earlier. Chad Cromwell, 1036 00:50:02,940 --> 00:50:04,200 he's the ANR guy. He was 1037 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,840 in LA actually, so I didn't get to see him, but, um, but you 1038 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,780 will, I saw Sarah, uh, Harry hung out with him. Chris 1039 00:50:09,780 --> 00:50:12,840 McCarthy, yeah, dude, he's, he's been very good to me, man, since 1040 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:13,740 I've met him, I'm 1041 00:50:13,740 --> 00:50:17,280 gonna need a kit for my, you know, bedroom. I'm gonna need a 1042 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,140 kit. Not me. I'm just saying, is that your 1043 00:50:19,140 --> 00:50:23,300 position? I was like, hey, the deal isn't that good. I mean, 1044 00:50:23,300 --> 00:50:26,060 do you kind of, can you go in and be like, Hey, can you get me 1045 00:50:26,060 --> 00:50:29,480 one for this? This, this, you know, whatever 1046 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,840 you want. I went to the factory today and to get my first kit my 1047 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,320 nolensville, yeah. So I went there and they just showed me 1048 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,180 the whole process and everything. And are they 1049 00:50:41,180 --> 00:50:44,440 building them out there too? Yeah, yeah. Awesome warehouse, 1050 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,580 man. It's it. It felt so cool to watch them do this dude. It 1051 00:50:48,580 --> 00:50:51,700 just, everything is done by hand. And watching the two guys 1052 00:50:51,700 --> 00:50:55,060 they have bending the shells, yeah, the whole it's, it's 1053 00:50:55,060 --> 00:50:58,240 awesome. It's, I'm so excited to get a kit made. 1054 00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:01,680 But, um, making you a custom kit? Yeah, I can take the 1055 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,460 lugs and everything, and colors, bearing edge everything. And I 1056 00:51:05,460 --> 00:51:08,460 talked with a Chad yesterday on the phone, and we kind of went 1057 00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,000 over that, going with a maple kit, you know, going with what I 1058 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:12,960 know, for the first one, 1059 00:51:13,140 --> 00:51:16,200 they measure the bearing edge and the flatness of it on like 1060 00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:18,120 it was a piece of granite or something like that. 1061 00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,480 They don't know. I don't know. I know they cut their bearing 1062 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,120 edges and stand them all by hand. Though, amazing, really? 1063 00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,700 Yeah, and they're like, perfect, though. Those they have a they 1064 00:51:25,700 --> 00:51:30,800 have the standard 45 they have a 38 I think they have, I don't 1065 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,600 know if this is, this is theirs specifically, but it's a hybrid 1066 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:39,440 edge, like a 45 hybrid. So it's a little rounder. Yeah, really 1067 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:40,720 excited to try that out, 1068 00:51:40,780 --> 00:51:44,740 I guess would mute the head a little bit more from 1069 00:51:44,740 --> 00:51:47,260 again, I was learning a lot too, because I've never had the 1070 00:51:47,260 --> 00:51:49,900 opportunity to place so many different varieties, or be 1071 00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:52,660 exposed to the opportunity to try different varieties of these 1072 00:51:52,660 --> 00:51:56,320 kids and just different bearing edges. I think the smoother, 1073 00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,620 like 45 I think it as gives it a warmth, if I'm correct, yeah, 1074 00:51:59,620 --> 00:52:01,440 would you say that? I don't know. You don't know. 1075 00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:05,100 I mean your guy with bearing, 1076 00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:06,120 if you have an angular 1077 00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:10,140 45 degree edge, but 45 is a sharp, the sharp, so 45 hybrid 1078 00:52:10,140 --> 00:52:13,440 is a little more round, so I assume it warms it up a little 1079 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,400 bit. Yeah, attack, yeah, attack, and probably overtones and ring. 1080 00:52:17,460 --> 00:52:17,640 Man, 1081 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,800 any drummers watching this are gonna have no respect 1082 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,160 for me. These guys do not deserve their drums. 1083 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,880 You think about it, it kind of makes sense when you think about 1084 00:52:25,940 --> 00:52:29,420 that surface area and touching of the head, if you put a little 1085 00:52:29,540 --> 00:52:29,840 finger 1086 00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,080 on it, if you got a larger area that's rounded, touching the 1087 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,480 head, yeah, that's gonna have a different tone than it's just a 1088 00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:35,780 short 1089 00:52:35,780 --> 00:52:38,720 surface area touching the head or coming off the show. I still 1090 00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:41,620 can't remember. I talked about how much I love Remo. I still 1091 00:52:41,620 --> 00:52:45,460 can't remember the name for the two ply and the name for the 1092 00:52:45,460 --> 00:52:48,280 single ply. Every time I go to a drum shop, it said emperor and 1093 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,860 Ambassador. Is the Emperor the two ply, or is the ambassador? I 1094 00:52:50,860 --> 00:52:53,740 can't remember. That's my whole freaking life. I can never 1095 00:52:53,740 --> 00:52:54,160 remember. 1096 00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:58,300 So no ambassadors, as amazing as they sound, and it's nice to 1097 00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:00,780 have, especially on a jazz kit or on a jazz kid, like the 1098 00:53:00,780 --> 00:53:01,380 fibers can 1099 00:53:01,620 --> 00:53:03,720 apply correct do not remember. 1100 00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:10,740 Think of Ambassador. A comes before E, so a should have 1e. 1101 00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,700 Has two. Yeah, that's why, that's why I think I got that's 1102 00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:15,660 how I remember 1103 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,060 it. What do you say about the letter A? And 1104 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,180 think about emperors. Emperors are fat, 1105 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,140 double ply, that emperor. What about ambassadors? 1106 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,740 They're like in the early part of their careers, like, Hi, I'm 1107 00:53:30,740 --> 00:53:33,620 ambassador. You know, they're just, I can remember 1108 00:53:33,620 --> 00:53:35,780 fat emperor? Remember that? Yeah, fat 1109 00:53:35,780 --> 00:53:39,560 emperor, double ply, I'm looking up a friend of mine's, um, 1110 00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:45,460 Facebook, page, yeah, because he likes to make fun of the 1111 00:53:45,460 --> 00:53:48,940 terminology that drummers use, especially because he's a 1112 00:53:48,940 --> 00:53:55,360 singer. Yeah, Rob Jackson, he he used to work at a music store 1113 00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,120 back in Danbury, Connecticut, and he's been in amazing bands 1114 00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,780 all through his life. He sounds exactly like Getty Lee. He's in 1115 00:54:00,780 --> 00:54:04,320 a rush tribute band, but he basically, kind of, he says, you 1116 00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,720 know these drummers, you know, when you talk about dry and wet 1117 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:08,940 symbols, what the hell are you guys talking about? You know, 1118 00:54:09,060 --> 00:54:11,400 what are you talking about, bearing edges? Why is that so 1119 00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,780 important? So he's somewhat kind of throwing shade at drummers, 1120 00:54:15,780 --> 00:54:17,700 but I think he's genuinely Yeah, well, 1121 00:54:17,700 --> 00:54:20,100 let's see him sitting on his gig without a great drummer. 1122 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:21,680 Anyways, well, 1123 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,160 you know his drummer, Lou Calderon, that's right, yeah. 1124 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:26,060 What's up? Blue Cal de 1125 00:54:26,060 --> 00:54:28,880 Rolo, yeah, we became something happened with his Facebook page? 1126 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,100 You got hacked or something. And he's really, he's trying to, 1127 00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:34,940 we're trying to become friends again. You're probably too young 1128 00:54:34,940 --> 00:54:35,060 for 1129 00:54:35,060 --> 00:54:38,000 Facebook. No, I grew up on, I had MySpace as a kid. 1130 00:54:38,060 --> 00:54:41,560 Oh, he did every year, a real kid, but I was in my 20s. When I 1131 00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,760 did it, yeah, I was born in a 95 Wow. You could be my son. 1132 00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:49,600 Do you have that crazy? No, no, I always pull out. 1133 00:54:49,720 --> 00:54:53,680 Hey, listen, I like you man. But you know, yeah, we can just be 1134 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:58,060 friends, be adopted. I'm 30. I forget. Wow, 1135 00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,740 yeah, Jim. When. I didn't say anything, huh? You're done 1136 00:55:01,740 --> 00:55:03,180 talking about pulling out. Oh, 1137 00:55:03,180 --> 00:55:04,440 geez. Well, you know, we gotta, I 1138 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,400 mean, I can move in and live here's a great place, man, dude, 1139 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:09,660 this is huge. I love it out here. 1140 00:55:09,660 --> 00:55:12,420 A lot of people will, you know, I won't tell them the story, and 1141 00:55:12,420 --> 00:55:16,680 they're like, geez, this is like a it's like a plantation or 1142 00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:17,160 something. 1143 00:55:18,180 --> 00:55:21,680 It looks like a person who owns their land. It's like in their 1144 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,880 home the American flag. This is, I want to I loved, I lived in 1145 00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,520 whites creek for a little bit on seven acres, and I loved it. 1146 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,760 Man, so you're in Donaldson or hermanage, I'm in Donaldson. 1147 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,640 Okay, Donaldson, but, um, no having, having a couple acres on 1148 00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:36,980 a property in a long driveway like that, just away from the 1149 00:55:36,980 --> 00:55:38,120 road. Man, is perfect. I 1150 00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,680 love just speeding up that driveway. It's so fun. You ever 1151 00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:42,160 see me, Jim, 1152 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:44,860 I might have, you know, the first 1153 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,640 thing I thought I'm like, Oh, he likes kayaks. Oh 1154 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,340 yeah, I forgot to take that off. What's that all about? I love 1155 00:55:51,340 --> 00:55:55,300 kayaking. I just I went yesterday, and I forgot to take 1156 00:55:55,300 --> 00:55:56,740 it down, and I was in a hurry today. 1157 00:55:56,740 --> 00:56:00,600 So we're driving all the towns. Any like I go 1158 00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,380 to Percy priest, but you can go an hour out of town. There's a 1159 00:56:04,380 --> 00:56:07,980 couple good places to put in, couple good rivers. I haven't 1160 00:56:07,980 --> 00:56:10,800 done any of those out there yet right now, just go to Percy 1161 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,420 price. I just dump in there and 1162 00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,620 just saddle around. I mean, it's a little scary. I mean, did you 1163 00:56:16,620 --> 00:56:20,700 ever see deliverance? I don't think so. What happens in that 1164 00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,140 so many things. I mean, I'm not 1165 00:56:22,140 --> 00:56:25,100 jumping out of the out of the kayak, but, you know, a lot of 1166 00:56:25,100 --> 00:56:25,880 banjo miles 1167 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,820 McPherson does some kayaking. I believe, you know the decision, 1168 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:29,840 yeah, 1169 00:56:29,900 --> 00:56:30,200 does he 1170 00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,000 really, yeah, yeah. That's his thing, 1171 00:56:32,060 --> 00:56:34,460 dude, a real talk. I have a couple buddies been trying to, I 1172 00:56:34,460 --> 00:56:36,920 want to get a kayaking group together, like a kayaking 1173 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,500 drummers group, or music musicians kind of thing, because 1174 00:56:39,500 --> 00:56:42,340 I have so many buddies like, dude, let's go. And we all keep 1175 00:56:42,340 --> 00:56:44,980 missing each other. And there's like, six people, we all been 1176 00:56:44,980 --> 00:56:47,320 trying, we keep missing each other, trying to go kayaking. So 1177 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,480 some practice pads on the front of it, yeah, 1178 00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,100 park your car, and then you launch into the thing, and then 1179 00:56:54,100 --> 00:56:57,340 you got to remember where the heck you to come back to, yeah? 1180 00:56:57,340 --> 00:57:00,360 But I'm not, like, going, like, 20 miles away. You know, he's 1181 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,600 not going 20 miles off shore. I'll go around some of the 1182 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:05,820 islands, or I'll, I'll go up to one of the islands, like, have 1183 00:57:05,820 --> 00:57:09,660 lunch, you know, just chilling. Wow. It's just nice, man. Pack 1184 00:57:09,660 --> 00:57:11,280 a little, pack a little PBJ. We 1185 00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,640 did the inflatable days, inflatable kayaks. We did that 1186 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:15,840 for a while. Those are great, 1187 00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,960 yes, yeah, I couldn't do them personally. I like, I like my 1188 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,120 pongo. It's a mango colored pongo. It's 1189 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:26,180 convenience, because you they're easily transportable. But then 1190 00:57:26,180 --> 00:57:28,400 when you get there, you got to blow them up, and then when he 1191 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,160 you got to deflate them. That's the biggest issue. 1192 00:57:31,220 --> 00:57:33,860 Yeah, it feels like you just, it looks like you just can't 1193 00:57:33,860 --> 00:57:34,160 commit, 1194 00:57:34,580 --> 00:57:37,580 you know, right? You're putting your toe in the water. I've 1195 00:57:37,580 --> 00:57:39,860 seen dudes on the road, though, on tour, they they'll take one, 1196 00:57:39,860 --> 00:57:42,400 and that's where I wish I did have an inflatable one, because 1197 00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,160 we've been in some really great places in like Oregon. I'm like, 1198 00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,200 dang, I would love to go kayaking volunteer. 1199 00:57:47,260 --> 00:57:50,860 Oh, my God, for four months a year. I was just out in Seattle, 1200 00:57:51,340 --> 00:57:53,860 and we got some sun, yeah, that was nice. And they're like, 1201 00:57:53,860 --> 00:57:57,340 yeah, it's three and a half months a year, gorgeous. And 1202 00:57:57,340 --> 00:58:01,140 then the rest of the year is like, it's like, the movie, the 1203 00:58:01,140 --> 00:58:04,080 ring. Yeah, you know, we're just rains, and there's the girl 1204 00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:09,060 coming out. It's England. It's Birmingham, England. Yeah, it 1205 00:58:09,060 --> 00:58:14,220 is, yeah, it's not my thing. I know you would, yeah, I would, I 1206 00:58:14,220 --> 00:58:15,480 would, I would not thrive 1207 00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,960 there. You would not. There's a certain kind of person that 1208 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,140 that's for Alaska is the same way, 1209 00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:26,360 yeah. But also, what Alaska has is 30 days of night, and that's 1210 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,640 when the vampires come out and they feast on every I 1211 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,100 would love 30 days a night. That sounds kind of fun. I'd 1212 00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:32,600 say it messes with people's heads. 1213 00:58:33,620 --> 00:58:35,840 I mean, I've gone on a night in college. I remember going to, 1214 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,120 like, a night shift at one point, on accident, yeah, like 1215 00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,020 before I moved to Nashville, like, I dropped out of college, 1216 00:58:41,020 --> 00:58:44,200 and I just started, if I'm not careful, when I have time off, 1217 00:58:44,260 --> 00:58:46,600 I'll stay up late. And next thing you know, like, watch the 1218 00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,060 sun come up, then you sleep. And yeah, next thing you know, on 1219 00:58:49,060 --> 00:58:52,480 your total night schedule, yeah. And it's the weirdest thing. And 1220 00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,280 then flipping back is even harder. 1221 00:58:54,580 --> 00:58:58,240 Flipping back is hard because, yeah, My gal is touring, you 1222 00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:02,640 know, total vampire schedule. So what do you do on the road for 1223 00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,700 Do you have any rituals? Do you have, like, a like, like, a 1224 00:59:05,700 --> 00:59:08,640 fitness thing you like to get into? You smell the roses, you 1225 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,220 go to the local coffee shops, record shops, 1226 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,300 no man, just hang out with the band for the show? Yeah, we just 1227 00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:18,120 go to the green room. And, no, we're not crazy. We're all just 1228 00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,220 hanging out, talking or just making each other laugh, just 1229 00:59:20,220 --> 00:59:21,120 cracking jokes. But you 1230 00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:23,120 don't like to get off, get off, get get some sun, or see the 1231 00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,400 city, or look where you're at. Um, 1232 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,920 if we're in a spot, I'm like, genuinely, like, wanting to go, 1233 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:32,180 yeah, explore around. I'll do that. But sometimes, like, at 1234 00:59:32,180 --> 00:59:34,760 least this during the winter tour, I was just, like, either 1235 00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,700 in the bus, it was so cold I was in the bus, or, like, on stage. 1236 00:59:37,820 --> 00:59:40,720 Oh, yeah. But, um, yeah, if we're in like, a cool part of 1237 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,200 town. Like, we'll be in Florida next weekend, and so, like, 1238 00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,660 definitely gonna go to the beach. Try not to get sunburth, 1239 00:59:46,660 --> 00:59:49,180 though, because I'm gonna We're in Florida ever. Yeah, we're 1240 00:59:49,180 --> 00:59:51,400 playing Tortuga, wherever that's 1241 00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,040 the festival. Well, that'll be great, because you'll be parked 1242 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:59,440 right next to the stage, and that's on the beach. Really good 1243 00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,520 live. Nation. Festival, and you will be on the beach, and let's 1244 01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,860 go. Brian O'Connell does an amazing job with that. The food 1245 01:00:04,860 --> 01:00:08,160 will be top notch. You'll probably have a masseuse, 1246 01:00:08,340 --> 01:00:13,200 there'll be a video game lounge, there'll be someone to cut your 1247 01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:15,720 hair if you want to get a haircut. It's one of those ones. 1248 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,560 Really nice. The good festivals. Really good festival. Stagecoach 1249 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,340 was pretty good. It was like that amenities. Everything. 1250 01:00:22,340 --> 01:00:25,340 That's where Coachella is, man, oh yeah, that's right, 1251 01:00:25,340 --> 01:00:25,820 Lauderdale, 1252 01:00:25,940 --> 01:00:29,480 yeah, Tortuga, but we're flying it. I'm flying into Miami, 1253 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,700 though, for no reason, really, yeah, I don't know why. That's 1254 01:00:31,700 --> 01:00:34,160 what it says. She loves Miami. I think I need to call my tour 1255 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,080 manager and be like, hey, is this right? I 1256 01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,620 think you're only 20 miles away. Oh, for real. Okay, then I'm not 1257 01:00:39,620 --> 01:00:42,160 worried. Yeah, man, we flew into Fort Lauderdale, 1258 01:00:42,220 --> 01:00:44,620 yeah, you and I, that's right. And Courtney, 1259 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,320 when we interviewed Grant Cardone. 1260 01:00:47,380 --> 01:00:50,020 Grant Cardone, yeah, 1261 01:00:50,020 --> 01:00:54,520 the early version of this podcast was called Rich's brain. 1262 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,760 There's like, 20 episodes, and we flew to go interview Grant 1263 01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,260 Cardone. That was great. How was that? 1264 01:00:59,260 --> 01:01:01,500 Was that, like, it's fine? Oh, pretty cool. Very eye opening. 1265 01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,840 Got a glimpse of his and 1266 01:01:03,900 --> 01:01:07,140 is he like the business guy? Yeah, the big I see him on the 1267 01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,780 on the Instagrams, yeah, real estate a lot, yeah. He's 1268 01:01:10,380 --> 01:01:12,180 been calling out a lot of people recently 1269 01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:15,420 that when I watch his videos, Gary 1270 01:01:15,420 --> 01:01:19,020 Brecker has been the guy lately. They're in a fight. Both of them 1271 01:01:19,140 --> 01:01:22,940 just like business guy, beef pretty much. Yeah, anyway you 1272 01:01:23,060 --> 01:01:25,880 want to take take on the bull, you get the horns, that kind of 1273 01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:26,240 thing. Now, 1274 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:30,200 these guys, businessmen, oh yeah, as well. Are they gone all 1275 01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:31,880 into the social gardones Probably 1276 01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:34,640 a bonafide billionaire by now? Yeah. 1277 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,760 Our other other business friend is Brad Lee 1278 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:41,740 Bradley, who is Robin Baum. He's a he's not 1279 01:01:41,740 --> 01:01:44,380 a billionaire yet. Is he? Um, 1280 01:01:44,980 --> 01:01:47,440 probably even that phrase is crazy. He's not billionaire yet. 1281 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:50,980 Is he? But his goal? Yeah, oh, he's like, that's his active 1282 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:53,200 like, he wants to get there. Hey, good for him, man. 1283 01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,780 Millionaire in America, he's pretty incredible. If you want 1284 01:01:55,780 --> 01:01:57,820 to be a billionaire, definitely going to become 1285 01:01:57,820 --> 01:02:00,280 a millionaire. Yeah? I mean, that is, that's someone who 1286 01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:04,140 That's nuts. He's not sitting around watching Netflix. No, no. 1287 01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,500 He's getting stuff done. He's not he's probably not 1288 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,800 playing the people for a little great. You binge in anything. 1289 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,140 You gotta check anything out. I don't binge 1290 01:02:13,140 --> 01:02:17,040 but I'll watch shows while I get work done. Like, I'll binge work 1291 01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:21,440 watch, yeah, like, like, friends, scrubs, Rick and Morty, 1292 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,040 Bob's Burgers, Rick and Morty. Is that a cartoon? Yeah, it's 1293 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:26,180 cartoons. You ever heard 1294 01:02:26,180 --> 01:02:31,100 of Rick and Morty? Everybody heard of primal? Yeah, you bring 1295 01:02:31,100 --> 01:02:33,080 it up all the time. Primal is great. Or 1296 01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,420 the Lord of the Rings movies. I'll actually, I'll re watch 1297 01:02:35,420 --> 01:02:37,640 those all the time, all the time, and I only read the books. 1298 01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:38,660 I just love the movies. I 1299 01:02:38,660 --> 01:02:42,220 kind of almost like the Hobbit films more than the Lord of the 1300 01:02:42,220 --> 01:02:42,640 Rings. You 1301 01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:46,180 can't say that. No, I'm not. I'm not, like, a Lord of the Rings 1302 01:02:46,180 --> 01:02:49,660 Die Hard, yeah? But I know for a fact you can't. But I like, I 1303 01:02:49,660 --> 01:02:54,220 like how it like, Peter Jackson was like, we've got these 1304 01:02:54,220 --> 01:02:56,920 people, so we've got the shortest book of all of them, 1305 01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:00,780 yeah? And we're gonna stretch it out three the longest three 1306 01:03:00,780 --> 01:03:03,240 movies, yeah. I mean, that was like, wow, that was 1307 01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:06,900 pretty cool. But I'm pretty sure if there's like, a die hard Lord 1308 01:03:06,900 --> 01:03:09,240 of the Rings fan in here and heard you say that, they'd like, 1309 01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:10,260 yeah. Like, well, no, 1310 01:03:10,260 --> 01:03:12,480 you're wrong, because I'm kind of Die Hard, but I'm not like a, 1311 01:03:12,540 --> 01:03:15,240 like, a slap, but you're on your wrist if you get me. Neither. 1312 01:03:16,500 --> 01:03:18,780 The Return of the King was the last one right where there was, 1313 01:03:18,780 --> 01:03:21,620 like, the, just the, yeah, return, yeah. But the first one 1314 01:03:21,620 --> 01:03:24,800 was great. When the Kraken comes out, when they're trying to, it 1315 01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,560 was like a giant octopus they're trying to get the cave right. 1316 01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,840 When they're trying to get in the cave, that's big. And then 1317 01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,660 when that, I forget the name of his character, but the Hobbit, 1318 01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,780 he's like, backing up against thing, and then the helmet falls 1319 01:03:35,780 --> 01:03:38,180 into the well and wakes up all of 1320 01:03:38,180 --> 01:03:41,140 the orcs. That whole fight scene, Frodo gets stabbed, and 1321 01:03:41,140 --> 01:03:45,100 the cave troll comes in. Still looks amazing. Yeah? And the 1322 01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:49,120 CGI, I'm gonna that's 1999 that's not like an old man, but 1323 01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:55,060 the CGI back then still holds up. Yeah. I'm not a cinema guy, 1324 01:03:55,060 --> 01:03:57,340 you know, like, not very knowledgeable with that stuff, 1325 01:03:57,340 --> 01:03:59,740 either, but I'll watch those old movies. I don't know if it's 1326 01:03:59,740 --> 01:04:03,240 just because it's familiar with my eyes and feels good when I 1327 01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,480 watch it, or if it's genuinely like, no, the CGI back then was 1328 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:06,840 because 1329 01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:11,580 when Fellowship of the Ring came out, I was your age, it was, I 1330 01:04:11,580 --> 01:04:18,000 was 29 it was came out, really 1999 Yeah, so they so, yeah, it 1331 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,900 holds up. Great, yeah. I mean, it really does, absolutely, man, 1332 01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:23,900 have you guys, have you guys seen where they take scenes from 1333 01:04:23,900 --> 01:04:27,560 movies they did the I came across this this morning. I'm 1334 01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,320 trying to search for it, but they took the scene. I don't 1335 01:04:30,380 --> 01:04:34,100 know what movie it's from, but they're all coming to, I guess, 1336 01:04:34,100 --> 01:04:38,540 frodos bedroom, and he's awake, and they thought maybe he was 1337 01:04:38,540 --> 01:04:42,460 sick at the very end, right, right? And like all the cast is 1338 01:04:42,460 --> 01:04:44,920 coming in the room, and they're all different heights, they're 1339 01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:46,840 all different heights, and they're all happy that he's 1340 01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:50,140 awake and everything. But they replace the music with, you 1341 01:04:51,700 --> 01:04:56,740 know, you get sexy. You make music, yes, and it's like, they 1342 01:04:56,740 --> 01:04:59,620 make it, they give it a completely different music. 1343 01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:03,600 Yeah. Kids differently. And it's like, you know, Ian McKellen 1344 01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,500 characters looking at them all, like, hey, and you know, all the 1345 01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:10,260 other and all these guys are coming in, just jumping on the 1346 01:05:10,260 --> 01:05:12,900 bed, just like jumping on the bed. And the music, it's like, 1347 01:05:12,900 --> 01:05:13,140 oh my 1348 01:05:13,140 --> 01:05:16,140 gosh, this is not right. Oh my god, that I could picture how 1349 01:05:16,140 --> 01:05:17,100 funny that would be. You 1350 01:05:17,100 --> 01:05:19,740 ever see the Star Wars, the end of Star Wars, without the music, 1351 01:05:19,740 --> 01:05:20,700 where they're just kind of 1352 01:05:20,700 --> 01:05:22,640 walking and breathing and far down the 1353 01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:24,800 footsteps and all that stuff. You hear people in the 1354 01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:25,280 background 1355 01:05:28,220 --> 01:05:31,880 going now Star Wars is really old to someone your age, because 1356 01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,600 Star Wars loved it. Star Wars came out in 76 Yeah, 77 1357 01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:40,160 actually, 77 Yeah, and and alien. My other favorite movie 1358 01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:41,260 was 78 1359 01:05:41,860 --> 01:05:45,220 Yeah, I love the newer alien. I'll admit that. 1360 01:05:45,220 --> 01:05:46,120 Hey, okay, hold 1361 01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,240 on alien. Romulus was a very good. Hold on the latest. 1362 01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:49,900 Prometheus 1363 01:05:49,900 --> 01:05:55,660 was fantastic. Yeah, Prometheus was good. So freaking good jaws. 1364 01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:57,940 I never watched 75/50 1365 01:05:59,140 --> 01:06:00,900 anniversary this year, 7519 1366 01:06:01,740 --> 01:06:02,160 75 1367 01:06:03,420 --> 01:06:06,420 they're re releasing it into the theaters. That's great. We 1368 01:06:06,420 --> 01:06:10,500 should go see it. Let's do it. Yeah. That is such 1369 01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,920 like a perfectly made movie, 1370 01:06:14,580 --> 01:06:17,880 and it just looks old to me. And you know, 1371 01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,520 once you know, once you get you got to watch it. I've been 1372 01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:24,800 watching it since, you know, I was probably seven years old. 1373 01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:30,020 And as you get older, it kind of grows with you, and you 1374 01:06:30,020 --> 01:06:33,680 appreciate it deeper. Yeah. And then you watch that, USS 1375 01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:38,480 Indianapolis speech scene. Oh, man, what does the actors 1376 01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,400 basically use that as a 1377 01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:46,120 it's definitely a monolog you can use off for auditions. They 1378 01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,360 got he really got drunk. He really got drunk, and he really 1379 01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:49,780 went there, 1380 01:06:49,780 --> 01:06:52,120 yep, yeah, what's this? Did he say something? Just 1381 01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:55,720 really, you gotta watch it. Are there, like, 1382 01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:58,480 six Jaws movies? There's four. 1383 01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,480 There's really only one. It really is. 1384 01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:04,620 Well, one and a half, yeah, JAWS, two, the other five. Those 1385 01:07:04,620 --> 01:07:08,640 Jaws, two. I think they filmed, I think they filmed it with, I 1386 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,920 don't know if they filmed it separately, well, maybe at the 1387 01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:11,100 same 1388 01:07:11,100 --> 01:07:14,700 shark worked better. The shark worked better. So you got to see 1389 01:07:14,700 --> 01:07:17,760 more of the animatronics, yeah, whatever. But which made the 1390 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,200 first one so terrifying is the fact that the shark didn't work 1391 01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:25,040 well, so they had to rely on suspense and shots and angles 1392 01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:26,660 and the music. I could see 1393 01:07:26,660 --> 01:07:29,600 why that is cool, yeah. So they scared people enough they didn't 1394 01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:32,300 want to go in the water. They had to make it scary without 1395 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,120 relying on the animatronics. Very, very 1396 01:07:35,180 --> 01:07:38,540 Yeah. And it's funny because Courtney and I, when we dated, 1397 01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:42,220 we went to Martha's Vineyard and we swam in that channel, dude, 1398 01:07:42,220 --> 01:07:47,020 if I don't know, if I can't see a couple feet down, I'm not 1399 01:07:47,020 --> 01:07:50,140 going in there, really, because, like lakes, like Lake, you're a 1400 01:07:50,140 --> 01:07:53,020 kayaker, that thing can fall over, right? Yeah. And most lake 1401 01:07:53,020 --> 01:07:55,840 water is dirty and murky, and depending 1402 01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:56,920 on the lake, yeah, you're at 1403 01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:00,400 it's yeah, you go into a lake. And it's also really happy. 1404 01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:03,120 Snapping turtle could come out of nowhere and grab onto your 1405 01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:04,620 foot, take a chunk out of you. I mean, dude, I 1406 01:08:04,620 --> 01:08:07,500 just trying to think about that, because I don't get out of the 1407 01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:09,720 kayak, though, because I'm like, you can't. I'm not. I can't get 1408 01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,480 back in that thing. Yeah, in the middle of the leg, I'll tip it's 1409 01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,520 so small, it's gonna fall over. Like, yeah, 1410 01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,200 I think that would be weird with 1411 01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,140 my claustrophobia. I'm gonna pause real quick, yeah, because 1412 01:08:19,140 --> 01:08:19,800 apparently we're 1413 01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,560 having so I was 25 and he was a 1414 01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:26,000 true prodigy, man, like a true you know, he was 11. I was like, 1415 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:26,180 Hey, 1416 01:08:26,180 --> 01:08:29,960 kid, what's your name, Tony? I was like, how are you gonna 1417 01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:34,940 start your solo over you at the time I was 25 No, he was 11. And 1418 01:08:34,940 --> 01:08:37,100 he goes, I said, How are you gonna start your solo? And he 1419 01:08:37,100 --> 01:08:40,900 goes the helicopter. And I was like, Oh, that's cute. And then 1420 01:08:40,900 --> 01:08:42,220 he goes out there, and he's, like, 1421 01:08:42,220 --> 01:08:45,160 so you didn't know about this kid yet? No, no, wait, so you 1422 01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:46,120 got to see him. So 1423 01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,120 I work out Texas, which is hard to do, because there's a lot of 1424 01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:51,700 good lord. And then, and then Tony, and it was me, and this 1425 01:08:51,700 --> 01:08:54,400 there was one really mature guy got he was like, 35 you know. 1426 01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,920 And he played, like, really mature, like, really cool jazz 1427 01:08:56,920 --> 01:08:59,320 chops and stuff, old school. Yeah. What do you think, buddy? 1428 01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:00,280 Yep, slight. 1429 01:09:00,939 --> 01:09:05,099 No way though, you got to see Tony. Oh, yeah. Like, Brett, 1430 01:09:05,159 --> 01:09:08,519 that's that, I What was your reaction when you saw it? I 1431 01:09:08,519 --> 01:09:08,699 mean, 1432 01:09:08,700 --> 01:09:11,580 I got this, I got to, yeah, I got to compete against the young 1433 01:09:11,580 --> 01:09:14,160 Tony Royster. And he was just exceptional. Of course, he won. 1434 01:09:14,580 --> 01:09:18,180 And then, you know, years later, we all got to, we all got to 1435 01:09:18,180 --> 01:09:21,140 hang at, you know, drum channel. And Oxnard, it was like, Cool, 1436 01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:27,200 me, Keltner, Thomas Lang, Tony and Don Lombardi, you know the, 1437 01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,680 basically the owner, proprietor of dW Jones. That's incredible, 1438 01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:33,080 pretty amazing. And then Keltner, Keltner and I got to 1439 01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:35,600 share a slice of cheesecake. That was, that's my claim to 1440 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,620 fame. You seem like a nice guy. Very nice guy. Yeah, man, hey. 1441 01:09:39,620 --> 01:09:44,740 So we were talking, we took a pee pee break that you are doing 1442 01:09:44,740 --> 01:09:47,380 tons of writing and mixing and producing. What is that all 1443 01:09:47,380 --> 01:09:49,000 about? Tell us. Tell us a little about 1444 01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:52,900 that. Um, the mixing thing. I can't say tons a lot of that's, 1445 01:09:53,440 --> 01:09:56,500 it's a new passion. Yeah, I'm just getting started with that. 1446 01:09:56,500 --> 01:09:59,920 And I just really enjoyed it. I was, I just started producing. 1447 01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:04,740 Writing the past like year or two, and writing, and I've, I 1448 01:10:04,740 --> 01:10:07,500 just started with friends, like really close friends, who I 1449 01:10:07,500 --> 01:10:12,000 could, you know, trust to grow and in front of. And recently 1450 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:17,400 just produced a kid, some, some kid in Texas, named J rod. Yeah, 1451 01:10:17,460 --> 01:10:19,980 I thought it was Jared at first. He corrected me, so no, J rod. I 1452 01:10:19,980 --> 01:10:24,200 said, okay, cool. And I produced two songs for him, and there was 1453 01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,660 no budget, you know, he's like, Hey, I'm a broke college kid. I 1454 01:10:26,660 --> 01:10:29,540 said, Well, man, you're in luck. I'm just looking for anyone 1455 01:10:29,540 --> 01:10:32,120 who's willing to, you know, trust me with their music, and 1456 01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:36,440 let me do this. Yeah, so I mixed, like, or I recorded the 1457 01:10:36,440 --> 01:10:38,900 drums in the bass, pretty much everything else, and then I had 1458 01:10:38,900 --> 01:10:43,300 my buddy track guitars and get acoustic for it. And I was like, 1459 01:10:43,300 --> 01:10:46,900 man, there's no budget. I'm just gonna mix these. Yeah, watched a 1460 01:10:46,900 --> 01:10:49,720 couple videos, and just used my ear too. You're just kind of 1461 01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:52,120 trusting your ear a little bit, yeah, sent it to a few other 1462 01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,520 buddies who mix, and said, Hey, what do you think of this? And 1463 01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,380 they said, Hey, man, this actually sounds pretty good, 1464 01:10:56,380 --> 01:10:58,780 dude. You're on the path. So I was like, Cool. And it wasn't 1465 01:10:58,780 --> 01:11:01,000 the hardest track in the world. You know, it's pretty bare 1466 01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,680 bones, like country stuff, but so started doing that and 1467 01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,340 writing with him still. And then I have two songs I wrote that's 1468 01:11:08,340 --> 01:11:11,340 going to be with some two buddies is going to be on his 1469 01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:15,600 album coming out, nice and cuts, baby steps, man. It's like, the 1470 01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,360 micro wins, you know, it's, it's like, hey, like my friend's 1471 01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:22,820 records coming out. And two songs i co wrote and I made the 1472 01:11:22,820 --> 01:11:24,080 tracks for those songs. Do you 1473 01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:27,140 have a cool, kind of, like, quirky tongue in cheek name for 1474 01:11:27,140 --> 01:11:29,300 your publishing company? No, 1475 01:11:29,300 --> 01:11:32,000 I'm just getting that stuff started to making sure, like the 1476 01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:35,600 points thing, and trying to, you know, have the nets ready, you 1477 01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,720 know, long term, but I'm still, like, very humble, but I'm still 1478 01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,460 very eager just to, I just love it, and I love coming home and 1479 01:11:42,460 --> 01:11:45,220 working on that equally as much as I love going on the road 1480 01:11:45,220 --> 01:11:46,180 live. I think someone 1481 01:11:46,300 --> 01:11:48,340 told you to play a little bass too. Yeah, 1482 01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:52,720 yeah. I bought a bass probably, like, six years ago. Again, I'm 1483 01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:57,400 not amazing at it, but I was just like, Man, why can't I play 1484 01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:01,260 bass? I play with bass players all the time. Why can I not so I 1485 01:12:01,260 --> 01:12:04,380 would start to learn songs on bass and end up learning songs 1486 01:12:04,380 --> 01:12:08,520 quicker, to learning the forms quicker, and just relating so 1487 01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:11,520 much more to, just to feel like, oh man. Like, when a drummer 1488 01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,180 does that, that sucks for a bass player, you know, things like 1489 01:12:15,180 --> 01:12:18,060 that. Like, you know, just learning that kind of stuff. 1490 01:12:18,060 --> 01:12:20,960 Like, what is a bass player? Growth center like, yeah. And it 1491 01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,960 makes you think about kick note length, even then too, you know, 1492 01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:26,420 even though, like, you could have a kick that's muffled or 1493 01:12:26,420 --> 01:12:29,300 whatever, but you can still think about it like and play it 1494 01:12:29,300 --> 01:12:30,320 in a long way. 1495 01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:34,340 Do you bury the beater? Um, pull it off for the 1496 01:12:34,340 --> 01:12:37,400 for the most part? Yeah, you know, some of the lighter songs, 1497 01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:40,840 I try not to, but, you know, if I'm really feeling it and just 1498 01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:42,880 loving it, you know. And we're playing some high energy song. 1499 01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,320 I'm, yeah, I'm varying. Same 1500 01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,560 with me. My modus operandi is to bury it, and then if I want to 1501 01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:50,260 get, like, a lighter tone, or, God forbid, if we're playing a 1502 01:12:50,260 --> 01:12:51,820 little bit of jazz, yeah, 1503 01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:56,200 pull it off. Recording wise. I, I try to not bury it all. Oh 1504 01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:59,080 yeah, I've tried to play pretty different recording wise. Oh, 1505 01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,380 interesting. Just so, just because of the results I'm 1506 01:13:01,380 --> 01:13:04,140 trying to get so lighter cymbals, pull the beater off, 1507 01:13:04,140 --> 01:13:06,300 yeah? And there's still stuff where I'm like, hitting, like I 1508 01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:11,460 do live, but I would say, like, my my highest volume or velocity 1509 01:13:11,460 --> 01:13:16,860 in studio is probably 30% less than what it is live. You know, 1510 01:13:16,860 --> 01:13:19,620 that makes sense, yeah? And I just like, you can still get a 1511 01:13:19,620 --> 01:13:24,200 huge drum sound, yeah, and still hit great, and let some of the 1512 01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:27,560 gear do the work too, and still sound freaking huge. And, you 1513 01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,380 know? And I also just, I was really turned off growing up by 1514 01:13:30,380 --> 01:13:33,560 drummers who hit so hard they choked the drum instead, yeah. 1515 01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,260 I'm like, Man, that's just like a waste of energy to like. And 1516 01:13:36,260 --> 01:13:38,540 some of these guys, I was like, Man, I can hit as hard as you, 1517 01:13:38,540 --> 01:13:41,240 but I'm like, it's all on the wrist and just letting the stick 1518 01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:42,700 work, yeah, a lot of times I like, 1519 01:13:42,700 --> 01:13:45,040 sometimes when I'm in situations where I don't have to be, like, 1520 01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,200 because, I mean, I've been painted in a box where it's 1521 01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:48,940 like, oh my god, yeah, he's that animal. People 1522 01:13:48,940 --> 01:13:51,700 think you just do the one, yeah, that's, but that's, how do you 1523 01:13:51,700 --> 01:13:53,140 how do you combat that? It's better to 1524 01:13:53,140 --> 01:13:55,660 be known for something than nothing at all. 1525 01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:59,440 But true. But for you, like, I mean, you, you obviously can do 1526 01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:02,280 a lot. So how do you handle I just make sure that as this 1527 01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,680 world, too, you have to present yourself, to sell yourself. And 1528 01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:05,640 how do you I just 1529 01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,980 make sure that I'm in as in different circles as much as 1530 01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:11,580 possible. So if somebody calls me to do a American record, I go 1531 01:14:11,580 --> 01:14:14,520 and do it. If somebody says to come present to the percussive 1532 01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:17,460 Art Society, and I could show all all the percussionists in 1533 01:14:17,460 --> 01:14:20,660 the world that I have a good touch, yeah, I'll go and do 1534 01:14:20,660 --> 01:14:23,420 those things, you know. So whatever you can do to provide 1535 01:14:23,420 --> 01:14:27,080 exposure and to let people know, you know, one year, I had to hit 1536 01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:31,760 him with the airman of note at the progressive Art Society, and 1537 01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,760 like, Peter Erskine came up to me afterwards and said, that's 1538 01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,640 been that was surprising, because he just never said, Were 1539 01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:39,620 you kind of, like, bummed out when he said that? You were 1540 01:14:39,620 --> 01:14:42,460 like, Dude, come on. Or were you just like? I was like, thank 1541 01:14:42,460 --> 01:14:43,120 you. I was 1542 01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,400 like, Absolutely, thank you. Yeah, you know, but that's the 1543 01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,080 public that's the public perception. Is 1544 01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:49,960 it kind of like, like an actor getting typecasted? Or what's 1545 01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,600 the term, where they get associated with totally that 1546 01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:53,260 role? And 1547 01:14:53,260 --> 01:14:55,960 I studied acting for five years, and I was fully prepared to be 1548 01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:59,080 typecasted. Actually, that was my goal, yeah. And, and when I 1549 01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:02,100 did it, I always. He's played a cop or a detective or a school 1550 01:15:02,100 --> 01:15:05,580 teacher or a douchey husband. Yeah, you know, like, like, one 1551 01:15:05,580 --> 01:15:06,060 of these type 1552 01:15:06,180 --> 01:15:08,220 I want a list of the movies you've done, by the way, 1553 01:15:08,460 --> 01:15:11,220 anything, it's a very short list. That's okay. I want to, I 1554 01:15:11,220 --> 01:15:13,740 think it'd be so fun to be like, Oh my gosh, that's rich. You see 1555 01:15:13,740 --> 01:15:14,100 me with 1556 01:15:14,100 --> 01:15:16,560 this microphone right now, like, I was so proud. I was in this 1557 01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,020 movie called all light will end, and I played, like, a Casey, 1558 01:15:19,020 --> 01:15:24,140 Casey type, over caffeinated DJ. And it was like, so close to my 1559 01:15:24,140 --> 01:15:27,860 actual emailed it, right? You nailed it. And I watched it, and 1560 01:15:27,860 --> 01:15:30,440 I my parents got to see it all. My relatives got to see it. And 1561 01:15:30,440 --> 01:15:32,780 then the credits start to roll, and it says, you know, the name 1562 01:15:32,780 --> 01:15:35,720 of my character, rich Redmond. And I felt so proud, because 1563 01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:39,800 there was not a set of drums blocking me from my humanity and 1564 01:15:39,800 --> 01:15:42,880 my essence as a human being. And my parents were like, ah, that's 1565 01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:45,340 all right, Reggie, but when are you going back on tour? Because 1566 01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:48,340 even my parents are like, you're a drummer. What are you doing? 1567 01:15:48,340 --> 01:15:51,340 Yeah, what I mean, like a person can't be dynamic, but Jim was 1568 01:15:51,340 --> 01:15:54,160 always very supportive, of course, yeah, yeah, it's what I 1569 01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:57,520 do, yeah, real friends. Jim's the guy that'll pull over at 3am 1570 01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,420 and went on my cars in a ditch and pick me up, dude, that 1571 01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,720 and you only, you only ever get it, like sometimes you only 1572 01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,180 really get one, maybe a few of those kind of friends, man. 1573 01:16:06,240 --> 01:16:08,220 Those are those the real deal. Totally, I 1574 01:16:08,220 --> 01:16:10,260 put his windshield wipers on for crown. 1575 01:16:10,260 --> 01:16:12,840 That's right, I said I'm gonna buy these at Pet boys. And then 1576 01:16:13,380 --> 01:16:15,180 Jim is this, like your whole day, by the 1577 01:16:15,180 --> 01:16:18,240 way, no, when this happened, was it during the internet and he 1578 01:16:18,300 --> 01:16:18,660 did it 1579 01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,480 so quickly, he didn't even have to read the manual or anything. 1580 01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:25,040 You could look it up how to put them on. I am not handy. This is 1581 01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,320 that's not handy. That's just like, but, I mean, pet voice is 1582 01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:29,780 right there grinding coffee. It's got two miles away. 1583 01:16:29,780 --> 01:16:32,900 I think it's willful ignorance. I think it's a dependency at 1584 01:16:32,900 --> 01:16:35,660 this point. I think he's just, he knows you'll be there. He's 1585 01:16:35,660 --> 01:16:37,280 like, Yeah, he'll just do it totally 1586 01:16:37,280 --> 01:16:39,740 just, like, what we're talking about, you know, learning Cubase 1587 01:16:39,740 --> 01:16:43,360 and all the different things, yeah, like, I just can't get it. 1588 01:16:43,540 --> 01:16:47,140 There's probably a smidge that you do get it. Oh, yeah. 1589 01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:52,060 Hey. So we're gonna, we're gonna get into the Hey. What is the 1590 01:16:52,060 --> 01:16:54,400 best way for people to get in touch if they want to connect 1591 01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,680 with your energy and your enthusiasm and they want to 1592 01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:58,120 collab with you as the kids? 1593 01:16:59,140 --> 01:17:02,940 Man, honestly, just messaged me on Instagram, the Grand i know 1594 01:17:02,940 --> 01:17:04,680 if that's like the hip one to say, 1595 01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,620 n, n, is that your middle initial? 1596 01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:13,260 No, that was just so real talk. It just happened I dated a girl 1597 01:17:13,260 --> 01:17:16,020 in high school, yeah. And she's like, it'd be really cool if you 1598 01:17:16,020 --> 01:17:18,600 spelled your name with two ends. And for some reason, I made that 1599 01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,320 my email. Oh, my God. And then people just started going, Oh, 1600 01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:23,840 John with two ends, right? And I was like, Well, it's a thing, 1601 01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:25,520 you know, this was years ago, two 1602 01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:28,940 ends, boss week. So that's 1603 01:17:28,940 --> 01:17:32,060 just my actual name is Jonathan. Jonathan, yeah. Jonathan, Mark 1604 01:17:32,060 --> 01:17:35,000 Bostwick, yeah. The John that people like, is that really 1605 01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:37,460 spelled? I'm like, Yeah. And they I, some of them probably 1606 01:17:37,460 --> 01:17:40,180 thought that was, like, legit. Oh, that's your name, John with 1607 01:17:40,180 --> 01:17:44,260 two hands, but people remembered me and could find me easier. And 1608 01:17:44,260 --> 01:17:46,600 I would get calls, strangely enough, you're like, Yeah, John, 1609 01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,660 with two ends. How you doing? I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna roll 1610 01:17:49,660 --> 01:17:50,260 with this. That's 1611 01:17:50,260 --> 01:17:53,320 why I texted you. How do you spell your name? Because I saw 1612 01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:57,520 John J O N, I saw the Instagram J O n, n, and then I saw some 1613 01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,100 sites. Have you as J O, H, N, it's confusing, 1614 01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:02,400 dude, I'm kind of, honestly, it's my fault. I've made a mess 1615 01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,340 for myself because I'll forget to and people like Zildjian and 1616 01:18:05,340 --> 01:18:07,500 be like, Hey, we're working on your bio. What's your How do you 1617 01:18:07,500 --> 01:18:10,200 do your name? I'll be like, Oh yeah, John, J, O, H, N. I'm 1618 01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,780 like, not remember. Like, wait, no, I don't do it that way. So 1619 01:18:12,780 --> 01:18:14,880 my name is pretty much, like, misspelled all over the 1620 01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,400 internet, and it's really because of my doing that's 1621 01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:21,980 funny. Oh my god, it's totally my fault too, man, it's, yeah, I 1622 01:18:21,980 --> 01:18:22,760 don't know how to fix 1623 01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:24,800 it either. Oh, my God, that's funny. Hey, we're gonna do the 1624 01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,620 Fast Five. What's your favorite color? Favorite color? Blue, 1625 01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,200 royal blue. Oh, my God, this is funny. You're the 15th. Why 1626 01:18:30,500 --> 01:18:33,500 are we laughing here? Because you're like, the 15th guy, blue 1627 01:18:33,500 --> 01:18:35,180 and black, black because it goes 1628 01:18:35,180 --> 01:18:38,120 with everything in blue. I just, I grew up a Michigan fan in Ohio 1629 01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:41,000 because of my dad, but the royal blue, it just always caught my 1630 01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:41,060 eye. 1631 01:18:41,060 --> 01:18:44,620 Nice. You're gonna have a royal blue kid at some point. I don't 1632 01:18:44,620 --> 01:18:45,940 think craviato Does that. But, 1633 01:18:45,940 --> 01:18:48,820 like, the kid would come out blue, or that's not good. Yeah. 1634 01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:49,180 Do they 1635 01:18:49,180 --> 01:18:52,600 do actual, like, painting of the drums or raps, or is it always 1636 01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:53,320 like a wood 1637 01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,720 they do wraps, right? Craviato? Yeah, they do wraps too. They 1638 01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:59,080 send them to California to rap but, oh, but man, the inlays are 1639 01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,440 so nice, and the stands, like, why would you even want to cover 1640 01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:03,780 it up? Yeah? Because that's, that's their thing. I think the 1641 01:19:03,780 --> 01:19:06,240 shells that have a little imperfection but are still good, 1642 01:19:06,300 --> 01:19:09,780 yeah, they'll wrap those ones, the ones that are flawless on 1643 01:19:09,780 --> 01:19:13,440 the grain, sort of style. What it is, dude, it's unreal seeing 1644 01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:14,100 how they make this 1645 01:19:14,100 --> 01:19:17,580 stuff. It was they drew odd size drums, like thirteens, fifteens, 1646 01:19:17,580 --> 01:19:18,120 that kind of 1647 01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:22,340 thing. I think if you special request it. I'm not sure. I 1648 01:19:22,340 --> 01:19:25,400 don't remember. I didn't see any, like 15 snares or anything. 1649 01:19:25,460 --> 01:19:28,100 Toms. They have a ton of variations, but in terms of 1650 01:19:28,100 --> 01:19:31,700 snares, I think they have mostly fourteens. We need to 1651 01:19:31,700 --> 01:19:34,100 do away with the odd size, if I remember correctly, let's get 1652 01:19:34,100 --> 01:19:36,260 rid of them. Let's get rid of them. Yeah, because they're a 1653 01:19:36,260 --> 01:19:36,860 bitch. To tune, 1654 01:19:36,860 --> 01:19:40,640 1412, 1622, that's what I'm wrong. You're 22 guy. Yeah, 1655 01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:43,300 nice. You know, I know it's country and a big sound, but I 1656 01:19:43,300 --> 01:19:44,980 don't know it just works. Maple, 1657 01:19:44,980 --> 01:19:47,920 Hey, man, go with it. Maple. Maple. Guy, favorite food or 1658 01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:48,520 dish, 1659 01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:50,020 favorite food or dish. 1660 01:19:51,340 --> 01:19:54,940 Ooh, the Dan, Dan noodles at punk walk, 1661 01:19:56,380 --> 01:19:58,480 I heard about this punk walk. I saw it in the nest. You 1662 01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:01,680 gotta go, man, we gotta get Sue. You there. It's the in the sushi 1663 01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:04,920 rice is perfect, and it's, oh, the cocktails are amazing. It's 1664 01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:10,920 next to punk walk. What brewery in this Pilates spot? What's the 1665 01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,980 is it in East Nashville? Yeah, there's a big brewery that it's 1666 01:20:13,980 --> 01:20:16,200 like, right next to, or, like, underneath. Okay, it's like, in 1667 01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:18,660 a corner next to a couple different, gosh, so we 1668 01:20:18,660 --> 01:20:21,680 got a lot of big breweries here, though, I'm not a brewery guy. I 1669 01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:22,100 don't like 1670 01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,240 Yazoo. You got your cheap beer guy? I'm a cheap 1671 01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:30,800 beard guy. I was too, like, ultra or Miller, and then I got 1672 01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:33,680 one of the podcasts I produce is called the ales and tales 1673 01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:37,880 podcast. Ales and tales podcast.com, really opened my 1674 01:20:37,880 --> 01:20:41,320 eyes. It's a buddy of mine and a couple other people you start 1675 01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,440 really appreciating, like, all of a sudden, the rest of the 1676 01:20:44,440 --> 01:20:46,660 beers just tastes like water. Yeah? You know? 1677 01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:51,280 Well, I lived in Cincinnati, and there's tons of great, oh yeah, 1678 01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,440 beer. There, tons of great breweries. And we, we would play 1679 01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:56,020 in, I'd play in Fusion bands and buddies project at this one 1680 01:20:56,020 --> 01:20:58,120 where they, they could let us drink underage, because our 1681 01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:02,100 professor, he was working there. So I drink tons of great beer 1682 01:21:02,100 --> 01:21:09,060 there. Hated sours. I hated the beer the porters. I just would 1683 01:21:09,180 --> 01:21:12,480 ask for the lightest beer. It was time, and we got, still too 1684 01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:13,080 heavy for me. 1685 01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:17,640 We had a sour on the show that, dude, I can't do it. Man, 1686 01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:22,460 reserve your judgment, because at this point I'm talking it 1687 01:21:22,460 --> 01:21:25,760 tastes like a baby. Guys home, did you? Did you hated it? 1688 01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:30,200 Probably right. No, he loved it, really. He loved it because I'm 1689 01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,800 not a big sour guy, either. One of our guys brings it and wraps 1690 01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,320 it in foil, tin foil, so we can't see what it is. Yeah. So 1691 01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:39,260 we did, like a whole mystery kind of thing, we poured it into 1692 01:21:39,260 --> 01:21:44,380 the glass. It's ruby red. It's beautiful. And we do a sniff 1693 01:21:44,380 --> 01:21:48,880 test. We do a site test, we look at we do a sniff test. I took a 1694 01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:52,300 sniff test I was eight years old again, sitting at my mother's 1695 01:21:52,300 --> 01:22:00,240 kitchen beard. Eight years old. No, dude, well, maybe after 1696 01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:03,060 playing outside on a hot summer day with a glass of milk and a 1697 01:22:03,060 --> 01:22:06,420 peanut butter and jelly sandwich, it was that vivid. I 1698 01:22:06,420 --> 01:22:10,320 mean, it brought back memories I long forgotten. Tastes like 1699 01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:13,500 peanut butter, and then you you drink it, it tastes just, I 1700 01:22:13,500 --> 01:22:15,180 mean, they get the peanut butter, right? It's 1701 01:22:15,180 --> 01:22:17,700 amazing. It's nuts. I still 1702 01:22:17,700 --> 01:22:21,140 my mind just goes, dude, I'm telling we got one here. I'll 1703 01:22:21,140 --> 01:22:24,020 try. I wish I did, because we could crack them open, right? 1704 01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:27,380 They have it up at Cool Springs, wine and spirits. I believe they 1705 01:22:27,380 --> 01:22:30,440 have it on tap. You can get a grower film, PB and J beer. It's 1706 01:22:30,440 --> 01:22:35,240 called mix tape, and it's by Zul brewing out of Knoxville, x, u 1707 01:22:35,300 --> 01:22:38,840 l, l, x, u l, brewing, Zul, it's 1708 01:22:39,980 --> 01:22:43,000 stunning. Maybe we'll hit him up for some sponsorships. I would 1709 01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,820 love that. Speaking of that, what's your favorite drink? 1710 01:22:46,420 --> 01:22:49,900 Favorite drink ever? Yeah, cappuccino, just a cappuccino. 1711 01:22:50,140 --> 01:22:53,140 Cappuccino, whole milk. You make a good one at your crib. Uh, 1712 01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:55,600 yeah, I love, I love making a caption, nice 1713 01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,120 man, pretty good at them. And then what would be your who's 1714 01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:01,620 your favorite drummer of all time? Is that possible? Or 1715 01:23:01,620 --> 01:23:03,660 of the weak flavor of the Yeah, who do you listen to? 1716 01:23:03,660 --> 01:23:06,960 I can tell you, like, who am I listening to right now? 1717 01:23:07,260 --> 01:23:11,460 Drummers. Well, man, I've been listening to because Parker's 1718 01:23:11,460 --> 01:23:14,880 new record coming out has near Z on it. Seven. Listening to, and 1719 01:23:14,880 --> 01:23:17,340 I have this, I have, like, the actual drum files. So I'm like, 1720 01:23:17,340 --> 01:23:20,820 great. I can hear every note of his, and I've always been a fan 1721 01:23:20,820 --> 01:23:23,480 of his. But it's really fun when you get to, like, dive into 1722 01:23:23,480 --> 01:23:26,120 them. And last record was Chad Cromwell, yeah, he's another 1723 01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:30,140 favorite of too. And yeah, it was fun playing his part. I 1724 01:23:30,140 --> 01:23:34,400 love, I really love his playing in his energy he has he played 1725 01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:38,300 on a Charles Kelly record. Yeah, it's a but I wish that record 1726 01:23:38,300 --> 01:23:41,740 did better, you know, in terms of commercial success because 1727 01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:45,460 dude, like, he's got a song called your love on there, and 1728 01:23:45,460 --> 01:23:47,740 you Chad goes off, man. It almost sounds like they said, 1729 01:23:47,740 --> 01:23:50,200 hey, just keep it rolling. Man. Hey, just keep going. And he's, 1730 01:23:50,620 --> 01:23:53,380 I just love his energy. I love his fills. I love Charles 1731 01:23:53,380 --> 01:23:56,200 play some pretty good drums. Does he really? He's a class. 1732 01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:59,080 Did he play on the album? He was, No, he was, like, a drummer 1733 01:23:59,440 --> 01:24:02,040 originally, yeah. And they're like, oh my god, you're so tall 1734 01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,440 and you got such a good voice, you should, like, be standing 1735 01:24:04,440 --> 01:24:06,600 out front. Yeah, you know your 1736 01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:08,280 front? Man, yeah, you're too good looking. Get 1737 01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:12,000 out from you're so tall you're not ugly enough. You gotta What 1738 01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:12,300 about 1739 01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:14,280 you got? Jim, ask your 1740 01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,620 question, if you had to. 1741 01:24:18,060 --> 01:24:19,320 Sorry, texting with my son, 1742 01:24:20,340 --> 01:24:22,460 family man, that's important. That's more important for 1743 01:24:22,460 --> 01:24:23,120 family. 1744 01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,240 That's a great show. I just started watching that bill 1745 01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:29,900 burr is brilliant on that. He's just bursting a van, and he said 1746 01:24:29,900 --> 01:24:31,100 the whole season, just 1747 01:24:31,700 --> 01:24:35,420 yeah, that it'll be amazing if he makes it to 80. Yeah, 1748 01:24:35,420 --> 01:24:35,840 husband, 1749 01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:39,020 I had a heart attack screaming at everyone, unless that's not 1750 01:24:39,020 --> 01:24:39,980 really him at home, 1751 01:24:39,980 --> 01:24:42,940 whether he likes you or not, you're getting screamed at 1752 01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:46,300 crazy. What's that? What's out there? Jim, 1753 01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:48,040 sorry. Distraction. All 1754 01:24:48,220 --> 01:24:49,360 right. Are we in danger? 1755 01:24:49,480 --> 01:24:52,060 No, no. It was a car pulling up the driveway, and they pulled 1756 01:24:52,060 --> 01:24:53,080 off to go next door. So 1757 01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:55,540 if you see a car pulling up here and they're not supposed to, 1758 01:24:55,540 --> 01:24:57,100 that's you got problems. You got 1759 01:24:57,100 --> 01:24:58,720 time to get the gun. Yeah, 1760 01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,980 yeah. Where? To sit here and be a victim, yeah? They're driving 1761 01:25:01,980 --> 01:25:02,640 away. You're good, yeah? 1762 01:25:03,420 --> 01:25:09,360 So if you had to play in a tribute band, tribute band for 1763 01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:12,360 the rest of your life, and it's all you can do when you're 1764 01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:15,780 playing them same music over and over and over again, never 1765 01:25:15,780 --> 01:25:18,240 again, to play any other kind of music, 1766 01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:22,160 yeah? Like genre. It could be any it 1767 01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:25,460 has to be a band. A lot of people are like, rush, kiss, 1768 01:25:25,580 --> 01:25:27,260 steely. Dan. 1769 01:25:27,260 --> 01:25:30,740 Oh, steely. Dan's a good one, yeah? For sure. Um, because you 1770 01:25:30,740 --> 01:25:30,920 get 1771 01:25:32,060 --> 01:25:34,340 to do like six different drums. Well, this is such a good 1772 01:25:34,340 --> 01:25:34,700 question, 1773 01:25:34,700 --> 01:25:36,800 so I'm overthinking it. I'm like, Man, I gotta pick a good 1774 01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:40,840 one. Yeah? Forever. Hold your peace. I actually, I think I got 1775 01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,480 a good one. Yeah, this would be fun, uh, playing in Frank 1776 01:25:43,480 --> 01:25:47,020 Sinatra's big band, Frank Sinatra tribute Big Band. Irv 1777 01:25:47,020 --> 01:25:50,620 Kotler, that'd be sad, man. I could, I could, I could play it 1778 01:25:50,620 --> 01:25:53,140 as, like a tribute Big Band. 1779 01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:57,580 Get back to that. Jim just 1780 01:25:57,580 --> 01:26:00,340 kicking a horn sections ass all night, dude. Oh, my cuz you got 1781 01:26:00,340 --> 01:26:03,060 to keep those guys in order. They'll if, like, that was the 1782 01:26:03,060 --> 01:26:06,540 one thing I learned playing that stuff was, like, emergency, if a 1783 01:26:06,540 --> 01:26:09,180 horn session section doesn't feel good with you, they'll run. 1784 01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:11,280 They'll be, like, all right, later they'll, they'll go 1785 01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,560 without you. And you have to, like, get in there. And that 1786 01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,440 was, like, really cool to learn. Like, man, especially with big 1787 01:26:16,440 --> 01:26:18,840 bands you, you really got to sit back there and say, Hey, 1788 01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:21,800 motherfucker, like, this is my band. Yeah, hear that rim shot 1789 01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:25,700 in your ear? Yeah? Listen, yeah, yeah. They was fun, man. But if 1790 01:26:25,700 --> 01:26:28,220 you but if you were killing it, then they would vibe with you. 1791 01:26:28,220 --> 01:26:29,480 But if the horn section didn't 1792 01:26:29,480 --> 01:26:31,700 like you, dude, I'd love to see you play some big so we only 1793 01:26:31,700 --> 01:26:33,860 have, we've got a couple of big bands around town. We have the 1794 01:26:33,860 --> 01:26:36,320 national Jazz Orchestra. We have the Tennessee jazz hard to show 1795 01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:38,780 up, the rest for sure. And we have, there's a couple of little 1796 01:26:38,780 --> 01:26:41,320 reading bands around town. Sometimes some cats will get 1797 01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:43,960 together over at the Union and pull out some charts, yeah, and 1798 01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:47,440 do some stuff. There's a big band called The establishment 1799 01:26:47,440 --> 01:26:51,700 big band. And when I was, when I was in your seat, you know, all 1800 01:26:51,700 --> 01:26:54,460 the years ago, for having first moved to Nashville, I did some 1801 01:26:54,460 --> 01:26:57,760 time with those bands. But, yeah, it's been a while as well. 1802 01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:57,940 There 1803 01:26:57,940 --> 01:27:00,720 was one I played with. It was a bunch of old guys. A lot of 1804 01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:03,660 them, either they never, like, did like the jazz thing 1805 01:27:03,660 --> 01:27:06,000 professionally. A couple of them played with some big bands 1806 01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,880 professionally. And then there was one guy, and they were all 1807 01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:12,660 in education or retired. One guy was John Harner. He played with 1808 01:27:12,660 --> 01:27:15,840 Stan Kenton too. Oh yeah. There's a song called sending 1809 01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:19,500 the clowns. Nice. That was him on trumpet playing him on Trump. 1810 01:27:19,500 --> 01:27:22,460 That some that insane Trump is so that gets really high. Oh, 1811 01:27:22,460 --> 01:27:24,980 yeah. John Harner played that with Stan Kenton every night 1812 01:27:24,980 --> 01:27:27,200 when he toured with him. And yeah, so he was in that band 1813 01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:30,200 too. But I was little at all. I was not perfect too. They were, 1814 01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,140 like, I was lucky that they let this little kid, like, drive the 1815 01:27:33,140 --> 01:27:35,780 jazz Central, you know, high school, and go sit in great 1816 01:27:35,780 --> 01:27:38,240 episodes like eighth grade or something. Yeah, I think my 1817 01:27:38,240 --> 01:27:40,900 Yeah, I remember driving, at least at one point. I did it for 1818 01:27:40,900 --> 01:27:43,960 a little bit, but no one was in the club. The owner was there, 1819 01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:46,360 really old. It was dating. You know, this wasn't anything over 1820 01:27:46,360 --> 01:27:50,140 there. And they just hand you a big booklet full of trumpet 1821 01:27:50,140 --> 01:27:53,740 parts. You know, some of them they say, like, number 227, he'd 1822 01:27:53,740 --> 01:27:56,500 scroll through real quick and pull up the trumpet part that 1823 01:27:56,500 --> 01:27:58,060 was kind of torn and maybe missing a 1824 01:27:58,060 --> 01:28:00,700 page. It's got liquid paper on it's got, yeah, it looks like 1825 01:28:00,700 --> 01:28:01,660 shit. The thing is, old is 1826 01:28:01,660 --> 01:28:03,840 probably 100 years old. It's all years old. They talk through, 1827 01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,120 hey, Trump has watched this, this this drummer. Make sure 1828 01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:08,760 here's the tempo. And then we just go, Yeah, you know it was, 1829 01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:11,160 it was pressure for me, but it was also no pressure because no 1830 01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:13,260 one was there. It's just these dudes, just like getting 1831 01:28:13,260 --> 01:28:15,960 together and playing. That's nice big band music. I love 1832 01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:18,240 that. We have that in common, because not a lot of people have 1833 01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:21,380 the experience of pulling out a book that thick, yeah, I don't 1834 01:28:21,380 --> 01:28:24,260 know what's gonna happen. And never heard of the song some, 1835 01:28:24,260 --> 01:28:26,480 most of the time, amazing. That totally helped your 1836 01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:29,120 musicianship. It was fun, man. And then doing it in college, 1837 01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:32,240 and, you know, competing with it too, in high school, and doing 1838 01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:34,280 all that stuff. Once I moved here, though, like, I just was 1839 01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:36,680 like, I'm gonna I want to learn the natural way. I just want to 1840 01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:38,180 see what people do here. Well, you know what? 1841 01:28:38,180 --> 01:28:40,640 We do have a process. I was, I was at a different here, man. I 1842 01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:43,240 was breaking bread the other two nights ago with near I was 1843 01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:45,760 sitting right next to here, and we were having the hummus. He 1844 01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:50,140 was like, just think humus. Just think Pumas, Pumas, the show the 1845 01:28:50,140 --> 01:28:53,560 shoes, Pumas. That's how you actually say it humus. It's not 1846 01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:57,640 hummus, it's humus hummus. And he so we had, he was like, oh, 1847 01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:00,360 it's pretty good, you know, because he's, you know, Middle 1848 01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,240 Eastern and pretty good. Yeah, dude, 1849 01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:05,400 they have a sound to those drummers from Israel. All the 1850 01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:07,440 ones I've heard from Israel, they have, like, their own. And 1851 01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:12,120 his brother does the is, does the Israeli idol? He's the house 1852 01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:14,520 drummer on TV for nears brothers. 1853 01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:16,380 Yeah. I did not know that crazy 1854 01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:18,060 way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's cool. 1855 01:29:18,180 --> 01:29:20,960 Yeah. That room for squares record that he played on, 1856 01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:24,440 fantastic. That's where I knew him. Probably knows it near is 1857 01:29:24,440 --> 01:29:26,780 awesome, man. So that good to see the here in Genesis. I think 1858 01:29:26,780 --> 01:29:29,840 he played, he played with Genesis, and he 1859 01:29:30,860 --> 01:29:34,760 had an amazing live career recording, yeah, yeah. 1860 01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:36,380 Remember when Billy squire, 1861 01:29:36,860 --> 01:29:40,840 everybody wants you, yeah? Dan ash. Dan 1862 01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:44,380 ash, he had a wonderful drummer, Bobby Chouinard, who died way 1863 01:29:44,380 --> 01:29:45,820 too young. The Rumor 1864 01:29:45,820 --> 01:29:49,180 has it, Billy Squire was gonna sing for Van Halen. Wow, that's 1865 01:29:49,180 --> 01:29:49,720 by the time. 1866 01:29:49,780 --> 01:29:53,380 Crazy, yeah. Hey, man, I am happy for you. I'm proud of you. 1867 01:29:53,380 --> 01:29:55,780 Man, welcome. Thank you. Welcome to Nashville. You're, you're, 1868 01:29:55,780 --> 01:29:58,540 you're, you know, you've been here nine years, something like 1869 01:29:58,540 --> 01:30:01,560 that. You got great game. Big. You're barely 30 years old. 1870 01:30:01,860 --> 01:30:04,560 You're You're, thank you barely you're doing your you're 1871 01:30:05,700 --> 01:30:09,060 expanding into your writing, production, playing the bass 1872 01:30:09,060 --> 01:30:12,720 mixing thing, which is very, very smart, so people want to 1873 01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:19,020 find you. It's on the gram at J, o, n, n, Bostwick, B, O, s, t, 1874 01:30:19,020 --> 01:30:23,300 w, I, C, K, that's John Bostwick. And next time we're 1875 01:30:23,300 --> 01:30:26,540 together, we're gonna be at punk walk. Yes, Dan, Dan, noodles. 1876 01:30:26,540 --> 01:30:28,040 We're doing, we're doing the noodles, man, 1877 01:30:28,160 --> 01:30:31,280 and some sushi, dude. It's so good. It's so good. Okay, I 1878 01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:31,640 gotta do 1879 01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:32,660 it. Pump walk. Done right now. 1880 01:30:32,660 --> 01:30:34,760 You guys heard it? You guys heard it here. Jim, thanks for 1881 01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:38,240 your It was a long day, man. Thanks for putting in the time. 1882 01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:41,200 We love your time and talent. We appreciate you. And to all the 1883 01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:44,020 listeners, thank you for tuning in. We appreciate it. Be sure to 1884 01:30:44,020 --> 01:30:46,420 subscribe, share, rate and review. It helps people find the 1885 01:30:46,420 --> 01:30:49,360 show, and I've seen a couple reviews. You guys are taking 1886 01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:51,880 heat. You're taking my advice. You're leaving us some nice 1887 01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:54,340 complimentary messages, so we appreciate it. We'll see you 1888 01:30:54,340 --> 01:30:56,320 next time. Thanks. John, thanks. Jim Timon, 1889 01:30:56,860 --> 01:31:01,740 this has been the rich Redmond show. Subscribe, rate and follow 1890 01:31:01,740 --> 01:31:05,700 along at rich redmond.com, forward slash podcasts. You.