1 00:00:03,285 --> 00:00:06,660 I'm trying to get to you, 2 00:00:08,340 --> 00:00:09,330 girl. Oh, 3 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:21,480 oh, oh. 4 00:00:21,555 --> 00:00:22,110 I'm Adam Maness. 5 00:00:22,230 --> 00:00:23,025 And I'm Peter Martin. 6 00:00:23,070 --> 00:00:25,185 And you're listening to the You'll Hear It podcast. 7 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:26,565 Music. Explored. 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,560 Brought to you today by Open Studio. 9 00:00:28,620 --> 00:00:32,399 Go to openstudiojazz.com for all your jazz lessons needs. Peter, we're back. 10 00:00:32,491 --> 00:00:33,270 It feels like we're back. 11 00:00:33,330 --> 00:00:33,840 We're back. 12 00:00:33,930 --> 00:00:34,365 I mean, we were away. 13 00:00:34,365 --> 00:00:34,830 Where'd we go? 14 00:00:35,295 --> 00:00:37,680 I don't know. We were here, but we weren't doing anything. 15 00:00:37,740 --> 00:00:39,330 I'm feeling in the groove. 16 00:00:39,481 --> 00:00:39,810 Good. 17 00:00:39,870 --> 00:00:40,380 Yeah. 18 00:00:40,411 --> 00:00:40,949 About time. 19 00:00:41,100 --> 00:00:41,430 I know. 20 00:00:41,460 --> 00:00:41,895 My friend. 21 00:00:41,970 --> 00:00:44,401 I haven't been in the groove. I'm locked in right now. 22 00:00:44,460 --> 00:00:44,655 Yeah. 23 00:00:44,731 --> 00:00:46,276 Hey, we are... Speaking of back- 24 00:00:46,470 --> 00:00:46,515 Yeah 25 00:00:46,515 --> 00:00:47,475 ... we're bringing something back. 26 00:00:47,700 --> 00:00:48,526 I know. I'm so excited about this. 27 00:00:48,526 --> 00:00:50,731 It's called the Speak Pipe. Many people have never heard of it. 28 00:00:50,940 --> 00:00:51,060 No. 29 00:00:51,390 --> 00:00:54,301 So we want to do a mailbag episode where we hear from you. 30 00:00:54,390 --> 00:00:55,500 If you go to youllhearit.com- 31 00:00:55,590 --> 00:00:56,040 Mailbag 32 00:00:56,430 --> 00:00:59,731 ... If you go to youllhearit.com, you could leave us a message. 33 00:00:59,761 --> 00:01:01,860 So go to youllhearit.com. You could leave us a voicemail. 34 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,450 We can't promise that you'll get your voicemail read on the air, but we are going 35 00:01:06,465 --> 00:01:08,461 to take some questions for the audience. It could be about anything. 36 00:01:08,475 --> 00:01:12,540 It could be about these albums, about the show, about music, whatever, Open Studio, 37 00:01:12,571 --> 00:01:13,185 you name it. It could be anything. 38 00:01:13,230 --> 00:01:13,801 I got a question. 39 00:01:13,860 --> 00:01:14,174 Yeah. 40 00:01:14,220 --> 00:01:16,711 How come you're all so dope? That's something someone could ask us. 41 00:01:16,950 --> 00:01:18,360 Is how come you're all so dope? 42 00:01:18,450 --> 00:01:18,750 Yes. 43 00:01:18,930 --> 00:01:19,424 Please ask us that. 44 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,230 That's just an example. Feel free to say whatever you want. 45 00:01:22,321 --> 00:01:23,400 Peter's got ideas. 46 00:01:23,610 --> 00:01:23,850 Yeah. 47 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,640 Peter, today, this is a continuation. 48 00:01:26,790 --> 00:01:26,865 I'm so excited. 49 00:01:26,865 --> 00:01:31,711 This is an evolution. So last season, as a crazy experiment- 50 00:01:31,830 --> 00:01:32,220 Yeah 51 00:01:32,235 --> 00:01:36,420 ... we put on the docket Radiohead's 2000, in my opinion, masterpiece, Kid A. 52 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:36,825 Yeah. 53 00:01:37,141 --> 00:01:38,910 You had never really heard the album. 54 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:39,150 Mm. 55 00:01:39,540 --> 00:01:43,771 We listened to it. You gave it a try. You seemed to like it. 56 00:01:43,891 --> 00:01:44,099 Yeah. 57 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:45,389 Yeah. You seemed to really like it. 58 00:01:45,510 --> 00:01:48,120 I was curious, and then I was enraptured- 59 00:01:48,271 --> 00:01:48,420 Yeah 60 00:01:48,450 --> 00:01:48,840 ... somewhat. 61 00:01:48,961 --> 00:01:49,740 It's a fantastic album. 62 00:01:49,801 --> 00:01:52,680 And I got sold over pretty quickly, as I recall. 63 00:01:52,830 --> 00:01:56,220 So I'm hoping that energy continues, because during that time, we also did a bunch 64 00:01:56,250 --> 00:02:01,351 of polls on our Instagram. I did one on my personal Instagram about what is your 65 00:02:01,380 --> 00:02:03,030 all-time favorite Radiohead album. 66 00:02:03,150 --> 00:02:06,870 Now, being as Xennial as I am, I assumed it was gonna be Kid A. 67 00:02:07,141 --> 00:02:07,440 Not a thing. 68 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:12,480 Not even close. It was the album that we're listening to today. It was In Rainbows. 69 00:02:12,810 --> 00:02:16,740 Wait, wait, wait. I thought we were listening to Robert Glasper and Brad Mehldau 70 00:02:16,921 --> 00:02:19,560 play. See, this is how he gets me in here. 71 00:02:20,490 --> 00:02:21,870 Adam's like, "We're gonna check out-" 72 00:02:22,260 --> 00:02:22,830 We totally could. 73 00:02:23,190 --> 00:02:23,535 Nothing. Radiohead. 74 00:02:23,550 --> 00:02:28,770 We totally could listen to a whole album of Robert Glasper and Brad Mehldau play 75 00:02:28,860 --> 00:02:29,400 Radiohead. 76 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:30,120 But I joke. 77 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:30,660 I- 78 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:31,275 That would be fun, though 79 00:02:31,275 --> 00:02:34,980 ... next, the next one, whenever we listen to OK Computer, I'm gonna tell you that 80 00:02:35,010 --> 00:02:35,085 it's that. 81 00:02:35,101 --> 00:02:36,421 An Adam Maness trio plays. 82 00:02:36,510 --> 00:02:39,180 Oh, yeah. No, we do a version of "Weird Fishes" here, which we're gonna talk about 83 00:02:39,195 --> 00:02:39,510 in a little bit. 84 00:02:39,796 --> 00:02:40,296 Yeah. 85 00:02:39,810 --> 00:02:43,500 But no, we're doing In Rainbows. This was released in 2007. 86 00:02:44,010 --> 00:02:46,935 It has such an interesting release story, Peter, but before we get that- 87 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:47,550 Yeah 88 00:02:47,565 --> 00:02:50,790 ... release story going, let's listen to the first track, "15 Step." 89 00:02:56,580 --> 00:02:58,800 And again, we're kind of looking for Peter's reaction during. 90 00:02:59,010 --> 00:03:01,740 Can Radiohead keep Peter's attention past Kid A? 91 00:03:01,921 --> 00:03:06,705 I come running up, but I slow down. I come running up, but I want out. 92 00:03:06,780 --> 00:03:08,535 One, two, three, four, five, one, two. 93 00:03:08,535 --> 00:03:13,230 Won't take my eyes off the ball again. You reel me out and then you cut the string. 94 00:03:20,041 --> 00:03:25,635 I come running up, but I slow down. I come running up, but I want 95 00:03:25,635 --> 00:03:28,560 out. Won't take my eyes off the ball again. 96 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,310 You reel me out and then you cut the string. 97 00:03:32,460 --> 00:03:34,380 That's me. 98 00:03:45,015 --> 00:03:47,070 Beautiful voice. 99 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:49,154 What happened? 100 00:03:49,410 --> 00:03:50,400 So we're in 5/4 here. 101 00:03:50,610 --> 00:03:50,791 Yeah. 102 00:03:51,180 --> 00:03:53,370 Starting off this album with an odd time signature. 103 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:54,494 It's a great program. 104 00:03:54,494 --> 00:03:55,590 Album that sold 3 million copies. 105 00:03:55,980 --> 00:03:56,250 Right. 106 00:03:56,340 --> 00:03:57,270 You know? It has it. 107 00:03:59,730 --> 00:04:02,610 That's a really great program drum sound. 108 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:03,541 Oh, it sounds amazing. 109 00:04:03,570 --> 00:04:05,654 And then combined with the... That's Thom Yorke, right? 110 00:04:05,910 --> 00:04:05,984 Yep. 111 00:04:06,465 --> 00:04:07,320 Singing. I mean, like, the- 112 00:04:07,351 --> 00:04:08,701 Look at him. It's Thom Yorke singing. 113 00:04:08,715 --> 00:04:12,930 See, I know it wasn't Robert Glasper, at least. I think it's not. 114 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:13,590 No, 115 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,930 we talked about this last time. He has such a unique voice, but the way they have 116 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,930 it placed here, very difficult to... 117 00:04:23,070 --> 00:04:26,640 With the guitar as sort of the bridge between the humanity of the voice and the 118 00:04:26,670 --> 00:04:31,080 potential automation. They're actually using the automation of the drums. 119 00:04:31,125 --> 00:04:32,550 They're not hiding from that. 120 00:04:32,580 --> 00:04:32,760 Yeah. 121 00:04:32,820 --> 00:04:36,451 That's part of the shtick on this, and I love it. 122 00:04:36,510 --> 00:04:40,365 Well, during this whole era, they're flirting with this mechanical, industrial- 123 00:04:40,470 --> 00:04:40,484 Yeah 124 00:04:40,484 --> 00:04:41,505 ... and then organic. 125 00:04:41,565 --> 00:04:45,480 Mechanical industrial complex. They took over Guitar Center. It's a big problem. 126 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,345 I believe it is a mix of acoustic and electric drums throughout this, but- 127 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:48,451 Yeah 128 00:04:48,750 --> 00:04:51,810 ... that program drums is so strong here. 129 00:04:53,324 --> 00:04:53,824 Yeah. 130 00:04:53,341 --> 00:04:56,805 And I love these chords here that make up the main riff of the song. 131 00:04:56,850 --> 00:04:58,050 It's like an A flat minor 132 00:04:59,670 --> 00:05:00,315 to a D flat- 133 00:05:00,900 --> 00:05:01,260 Yeah 134 00:05:01,275 --> 00:05:06,390 ... major to an E flat minor. It's like in A flat Dorian mode, which is kind of an 135 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:07,380 odd mode for- 136 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:07,531 Right 137 00:05:07,545 --> 00:05:08,115 ... one of these kinds of songs. 138 00:05:08,130 --> 00:05:11,100 It's a kind of forlorn... It's nostalgic, but kind of- 139 00:05:11,490 --> 00:05:11,760 Yeah 140 00:05:11,850 --> 00:05:12,720 ... wistful. 141 00:05:12,781 --> 00:05:13,095 Yeah. 142 00:05:13,110 --> 00:05:14,670 Wispy, forlorn, a little bit. 143 00:05:15,091 --> 00:05:15,300 It's- 144 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,455 Evocative of a mansion in the rain, in- 145 00:05:20,190 --> 00:05:20,205 Oh 146 00:05:20,205 --> 00:05:21,960 ... somebody would be eating Yorkshire pudding. 147 00:05:22,050 --> 00:05:22,980 No, they're eating Yorkshire pudding. 148 00:05:23,281 --> 00:05:24,750 We're gonna get to that. 149 00:05:24,781 --> 00:05:24,795 Okay. 150 00:05:24,795 --> 00:05:26,955 We're gonna get to that. No, it's interesting because I think this is a great- 151 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,860 Who took my pudding? Sorry. That was random. 152 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,750 Yeah. No, that was definitely what they were saying over there. 153 00:05:31,380 --> 00:05:33,510 No, that's Jonny Greenwood. This sounds just like that. 154 00:05:34,305 --> 00:05:34,800 Who took my pudding? 155 00:05:35,130 --> 00:05:37,920 But no, it's a really high energy first track. 156 00:05:38,070 --> 00:05:40,275 It's not my favorite first track on a Radiohead album. 157 00:05:40,455 --> 00:05:42,494 I don't think you can do better than "Everything in Its Right Place" in my opinion. 158 00:05:42,540 --> 00:05:45,375 Wait, did you just say, "It's not my favorite" and Radiohead in the same sentence? 159 00:05:45,510 --> 00:05:46,680 I never thought I'd hear the day. 160 00:05:46,710 --> 00:05:49,290 I have many opinions. But I think it's awesome. 161 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,494 I think it sets the stage for what this is. 162 00:05:51,510 --> 00:05:56,220 What is great about "15 Step" is that it sets the stage with what makes In Rainbows 163 00:05:56,430 --> 00:05:58,545 so good, and what makes it so popular- 164 00:05:58,890 --> 00:05:58,951 Mm 165 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:04,005 ... is because In Rainbows is Radiohead sort of getting back to a very 166 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,385 guitar-based sound. 167 00:06:05,460 --> 00:06:05,520 Mm. 168 00:06:05,701 --> 00:06:08,925 When we listen to Kid A, lots of synthesizers, lot of like- 169 00:06:08,955 --> 00:06:10,065 But that was very intentional, right? As I recall. 170 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,195 Very intentional. They were getting away from guitar-based sounds. 171 00:06:12,225 --> 00:06:13,201 Right. A little bit of a reaction. 172 00:06:13,410 --> 00:06:15,420 We want some more atmospheric stuff, right? 173 00:06:15,494 --> 00:06:15,994 Yeah. 174 00:06:15,510 --> 00:06:19,531 We want some of ambient music's influences. 175 00:06:19,591 --> 00:06:24,029 And this is them going back to a little bit of a great mix between some of that 176 00:06:24,061 --> 00:06:25,380 program drums- 177 00:06:25,470 --> 00:06:25,591 Yep 178 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,255 ... and the sort of ambient synths. 179 00:06:27,390 --> 00:06:33,331 But almost the entire album, the guitars have really come back to take the lead as 180 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,870 the instrument. Whereas throughout Kid A, throughout Amnesiac, even Hail to the 181 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,725 Thief, the piano is pretty heavy on all that, and all the keyboards are pretty 182 00:06:40,770 --> 00:06:41,160 heavy on that. 183 00:06:41,220 --> 00:06:41,370 Yeah. 184 00:06:41,401 --> 00:06:43,364 So I think that's why this is so successful. 185 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,370 It's like they're at a place in their career where they're balancing these two 186 00:06:47,490 --> 00:06:47,820 things. 187 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,570 Yeah. Well, it's interesting. I think you mentioned as we were prepping beforehand, 188 00:06:52,155 --> 00:06:56,475 that this album, In Rainbows, has had a resurgent- 189 00:06:56,910 --> 00:06:57,120 100% 190 00:06:57,151 --> 00:07:00,540 ... resurgence amongst... We think of this, oh, it's 2007, which was just a few 191 00:07:00,570 --> 00:07:02,520 years ago. No, that would be 19 years ago, my friend. 192 00:07:02,610 --> 00:07:02,910 I know. 193 00:07:02,970 --> 00:07:05,730 But you said with younger folks, kind of 20s now? 194 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:07,140 Well, no. These would be 30s. 195 00:07:07,470 --> 00:07:07,770 Oh. 196 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,120 Basically millennials- 197 00:07:09,331 --> 00:07:09,345 Okay 198 00:07:09,345 --> 00:07:11,670 ... who were teenagers in 2007. 199 00:07:11,730 --> 00:07:11,745 Oh. 200 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,091 So for me, in 2007, I'm almost 30 years old. 201 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:15,331 Yeah. 202 00:07:15,390 --> 00:07:19,410 You know what I mean? So for me, nostalgic Radiohead is OK Computer. 203 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:19,454 Right. 204 00:07:19,530 --> 00:07:20,595 It's from 1997. 205 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:20,835 Interesting. 206 00:07:20,835 --> 00:07:22,140 It's from 2000, right? 207 00:07:22,500 --> 00:07:22,515 Yeah. 208 00:07:22,515 --> 00:07:25,651 And so Radiohead had such a big 209 00:07:27,180 --> 00:07:29,341 high point of their career, such a good peak. 210 00:07:29,581 --> 00:07:33,331 Over the course of probably 12 years, they were really at a good artistic peak, 211 00:07:33,750 --> 00:07:36,690 that this is, I think, their last great album, in my opinion. 212 00:07:36,735 --> 00:07:37,235 Mm. 213 00:07:36,750 --> 00:07:40,815 I love the last two albums. I think they're wonderful, but I think this is when 214 00:07:40,860 --> 00:07:43,591 they really had their last great artistic push. 215 00:07:43,620 --> 00:07:44,010 Mm-hmm. 216 00:07:44,130 --> 00:07:48,915 And so for me, a mid millennial, a young millennial, I think they feel very 217 00:07:48,930 --> 00:07:51,180 nostalgic about this album because whenever we talk... 218 00:07:51,210 --> 00:07:52,995 First of all, they're a huge generation. They're a lot of people. 219 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:53,535 It is, right. 220 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,660 So in all those polls that I was talking about, they just, In Rainbows just 221 00:07:57,780 --> 00:07:58,110 crushed. 222 00:07:58,155 --> 00:07:58,655 Yeah. 223 00:07:58,170 --> 00:08:01,500 And I think when I talk to a lot of Gen X Radiohead fans- 224 00:08:01,530 --> 00:08:01,831 Yeah 225 00:08:01,860 --> 00:08:03,420 ... it's always Kid A, OK Computer. 226 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:04,440 This is past the- 227 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:04,920 Yeah. 228 00:08:05,010 --> 00:08:09,210 Right. So you're kind of... Yeah, now I'm seeing how you're sort of straddling 229 00:08:09,270 --> 00:08:13,050 between that, because I know you love this album, but there's definitely some... 230 00:08:13,530 --> 00:08:17,280 When we first talked about which Radiohead, we had a little meeting about it, 231 00:08:17,341 --> 00:08:17,760 remember? 232 00:08:17,820 --> 00:08:17,880 Yeah. 233 00:08:17,925 --> 00:08:20,401 And you thought this was gonna be a meeting of equals. It was not. 234 00:08:20,460 --> 00:08:22,110 It was me saying, "Well, whatever. 235 00:08:22,170 --> 00:08:23,940 Whatever one you like best, go with that one." 236 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:24,151 Yeah. 237 00:08:24,630 --> 00:08:29,716 But it's interesting, too, and just saying because it's been resurgent because 238 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,331 this, I see the notes here. It did sell 3 million copies in the first year, so it 239 00:08:33,420 --> 00:08:34,620 wasn't a slow burn- 240 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:35,235 That's- 241 00:08:35,235 --> 00:08:35,745 ... I would imagine 242 00:08:35,745 --> 00:08:37,485 ... for 2007, that's really, really good. 243 00:08:37,576 --> 00:08:39,195 Right, and no big hits on it or anything really. 244 00:08:39,270 --> 00:08:40,020 No, it's a Radiohead album. 245 00:08:40,065 --> 00:08:40,565 Yeah. 246 00:08:40,081 --> 00:08:40,739 There never is. 247 00:08:40,770 --> 00:08:43,860 There never is. And was the best-selling vinyl record of 2008. 248 00:08:44,490 --> 00:08:44,776 But this is- 249 00:08:44,895 --> 00:08:45,945 Talk about a little mini resurgence on vinyl 250 00:08:45,945 --> 00:08:49,110 ... this is right before vinyl was about to start even resurging. 251 00:08:49,170 --> 00:08:49,890 Right. 252 00:08:49,905 --> 00:08:50,100 So, and- 253 00:08:50,115 --> 00:08:51,600 It sold 17 copies on vinyl. 254 00:08:53,460 --> 00:08:53,790 Best album. 255 00:08:53,820 --> 00:08:55,215 Which in 2008, that puts you on the chart. 256 00:08:55,290 --> 00:08:56,325 Kind of. Well, it sold 16. 257 00:08:56,550 --> 00:08:59,370 Another interesting thing about the release of In Rainbows- 258 00:08:59,490 --> 00:08:59,505 Yeah 259 00:08:59,505 --> 00:09:03,270 ... which I remember this happening because I thought it was so cool and so 260 00:09:03,330 --> 00:09:03,855 interesting. 261 00:09:04,050 --> 00:09:04,440 Yeah. 262 00:09:04,500 --> 00:09:06,420 There was very little press around the release. 263 00:09:06,510 --> 00:09:08,520 I think they announced it the week before. 264 00:09:08,580 --> 00:09:08,715 Yeah. 265 00:09:08,790 --> 00:09:11,940 "Hey, we're coming out with our new album." They were off of a major label. 266 00:09:12,061 --> 00:09:12,181 Right. 267 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,575 So they left, what was it, EMI, I think, is the label they were on? 268 00:09:16,651 --> 00:09:22,182 They left EMI, and they were Self-releasing this, and for the digital 269 00:09:22,272 --> 00:09:24,222 download, it was pay what you want. 270 00:09:24,372 --> 00:09:27,897 I remember this now. This was really the first time at scale anyone had done this, 271 00:09:27,957 --> 00:09:28,457 right? 272 00:09:27,957 --> 00:09:28,661 It was kind of a big deal. 273 00:09:28,722 --> 00:09:29,592 It was a very big deal. 274 00:09:29,652 --> 00:09:33,732 And I remember buying this for $5 because I was a traveling musician. 275 00:09:33,792 --> 00:09:33,957 I was like, wait- 276 00:09:33,972 --> 00:09:36,252 And wasn't there even like a thing with... 277 00:09:37,122 --> 00:09:41,262 They even had something variant on it with iTunes, with Apple iTunes, where you 278 00:09:41,292 --> 00:09:42,552 could get it on the store. 279 00:09:42,613 --> 00:09:42,657 No, I don't remember. 280 00:09:42,657 --> 00:09:44,322 It was some kind of funny pricing or something. 281 00:09:44,352 --> 00:09:44,937 Oh, maybe like later. 282 00:09:44,937 --> 00:09:46,542 Or maybe they were trying to get a pay and they were- 283 00:09:46,722 --> 00:09:46,932 Yeah 284 00:09:46,947 --> 00:09:47,952 ... Steve Jobs was like... 285 00:09:47,982 --> 00:09:51,192 No, you could go to Radiohead's website and literally put in $0 if you wanted to. 286 00:09:51,282 --> 00:09:51,522 Right. 287 00:09:51,582 --> 00:09:55,647 But you know what's funny is, no one knows for sure, but I read that they probably 288 00:09:55,722 --> 00:09:56,142 averaged 289 00:09:57,462 --> 00:09:58,872 between $6 and $8. 290 00:09:59,292 --> 00:09:59,307 Yeah 291 00:09:59,322 --> 00:10:03,402 And because there was no label in between, this was, for them, a very commercially 292 00:10:03,462 --> 00:10:04,242 successful album. 293 00:10:04,302 --> 00:10:04,377 Interesting. 294 00:10:04,407 --> 00:10:05,712 Because they kept all of the money. 295 00:10:05,922 --> 00:10:06,131 Right. 296 00:10:06,252 --> 00:10:07,137 That they made. So- 297 00:10:07,137 --> 00:10:09,912 Mostly on virtual product, not on... 298 00:10:09,972 --> 00:10:11,262 Yeah. So there's no overhead. 299 00:10:11,307 --> 00:10:11,807 Yeah. 300 00:10:11,352 --> 00:10:16,752 So I'm sure they sell however many copies of Kid A on CD for 301 00:10:16,767 --> 00:10:18,312 $16.99 and $19.00. 302 00:10:18,642 --> 00:10:18,762 Yeah 303 00:10:18,883 --> 00:10:20,157 Maybe more than this. This- 304 00:10:20,172 --> 00:10:22,692 Wholesale price, $6 or $7 or something. 305 00:10:22,782 --> 00:10:23,442 Yeah, exactly. 306 00:10:23,502 --> 00:10:23,637 With the label on it. 307 00:10:23,637 --> 00:10:25,633 And then the label takes and their whatever. 308 00:10:25,662 --> 00:10:27,613 This is like all them, which is really smart. 309 00:10:27,657 --> 00:10:27,867 Interesting, yeah 310 00:10:27,883 --> 00:10:29,022 Especially if you have that kind of power. 311 00:10:29,232 --> 00:10:32,022 I feel like Prince around this time, maybe it was a little later, or maybe at the 312 00:10:32,052 --> 00:10:34,962 same time, was definitely trying some things like this, too. 313 00:10:35,082 --> 00:10:35,262 Yeah. 314 00:10:35,322 --> 00:10:38,082 It was such an interesting kind of Wild West, like what's going to... 315 00:10:38,502 --> 00:10:38,577 Yeah 316 00:10:38,832 --> 00:10:41,217 Everyone still loves music, but how is it going to be consumed? 317 00:10:41,412 --> 00:10:45,133 Because it was post-Napster mostly. 318 00:10:45,207 --> 00:10:48,462 Totally. There was the Napster scare, and this is the bands being like, "No, we can 319 00:10:48,492 --> 00:10:48,927 do this ourselves." 320 00:10:48,972 --> 00:10:52,752 And remember the labels were trying to do some jankety online, where you had to 321 00:10:52,812 --> 00:10:54,942 sign up for the... But you could only get stuff on that label. 322 00:10:55,092 --> 00:10:57,777 Apple was really the only one to have kind of figure it out with the iTunes. 323 00:10:57,883 --> 00:10:58,107 Yeah 324 00:10:58,122 --> 00:11:00,177 But even that was like plug in the iPod and- 325 00:11:00,432 --> 00:11:00,747 Yeah 326 00:11:00,747 --> 00:11:01,182 ... which was fun. 327 00:11:01,212 --> 00:11:05,262 There were like, so the comedian Louis C.K., I remember he'd sell his specials off 328 00:11:05,292 --> 00:11:06,042 of his website. 329 00:11:06,162 --> 00:11:06,312 Mm. 330 00:11:06,372 --> 00:11:08,832 You could pay $10 or whatever for- 331 00:11:08,892 --> 00:11:09,012 Right 332 00:11:09,072 --> 00:11:12,822 ... a digital download of the special instead of on iTunes or whatever. 333 00:11:12,852 --> 00:11:16,272 So this was that time where people were really taking advantage of that 334 00:11:16,302 --> 00:11:19,347 post-Napster, pre-Spotify- 335 00:11:19,602 --> 00:11:19,707 Yeah 336 00:11:19,722 --> 00:11:20,322 ... kind of vibes. 337 00:11:20,412 --> 00:11:20,997 Yep. 338 00:11:21,672 --> 00:11:23,337 Okay. The second track is "Bodysnatchers." 339 00:11:25,572 --> 00:11:28,452 And again, driving guitars. This is not something you would hear- 340 00:11:28,902 --> 00:11:29,532 Right 341 00:11:29,547 --> 00:11:31,363 ... three or four years ago as much. 342 00:11:35,052 --> 00:11:36,372 I do not 343 00:11:37,992 --> 00:11:39,192 understand 344 00:11:40,872 --> 00:11:42,402 What it is 345 00:11:43,633 --> 00:11:45,282 I've done wrong 346 00:11:46,542 --> 00:11:47,952 For mother old 347 00:11:49,452 --> 00:11:50,787 checks the post 348 00:11:52,062 --> 00:11:57,133 And itchy eyed won't forget 349 00:11:57,192 --> 00:11:59,502 To know 350 00:12:02,472 --> 00:12:02,652 me 351 00:12:04,992 --> 00:12:10,932 I have no idea what I talk 352 00:12:10,962 --> 00:12:11,997 about 353 00:12:16,272 --> 00:12:20,502 I'm chasing ideas that got 354 00:12:22,872 --> 00:12:23,412 away Ooh 355 00:12:34,752 --> 00:12:36,883 I feel like those single note synth lines. 356 00:12:37,032 --> 00:12:37,722 Yeah. 357 00:12:37,812 --> 00:12:41,592 It's like when you hear Stevie layering the single note synths- 358 00:12:41,682 --> 00:12:41,802 Yeah 359 00:12:41,863 --> 00:12:46,992 ... in his classic era. This is classic era Radiohead, where you hear those warbly 360 00:12:47,082 --> 00:12:48,462 single note synths that come in- 361 00:12:48,476 --> 00:12:48,976 Yeah 362 00:12:48,476 --> 00:12:50,142 ... and create this eerie line. 363 00:12:51,042 --> 00:12:56,937 And they're almost more affecting the music harmonically than melodically. 364 00:12:57,132 --> 00:12:59,772 Their melody line's almost secondary to the harmony. 365 00:13:00,132 --> 00:13:01,123 That's what came in and- 366 00:13:01,182 --> 00:13:01,287 Yeah 367 00:13:01,303 --> 00:13:02,833 ... kind of pushed things. Very interesting. 368 00:13:06,222 --> 00:13:09,462 I have no idea what I talk about 369 00:13:13,572 --> 00:13:19,392 The last words I remember Someone said of you 370 00:13:20,053 --> 00:13:21,553 Wow, this is one vocal take. 371 00:13:22,452 --> 00:13:22,467 Yeah. 372 00:13:22,483 --> 00:13:23,863 Left virtually untouched. 373 00:13:23,952 --> 00:13:24,462 First take. 374 00:13:24,553 --> 00:13:25,242 Interesting. 375 00:13:26,382 --> 00:13:27,882 And again, the warbly synth, 376 00:13:29,097 --> 00:13:30,252 and the harmony there. 377 00:13:31,512 --> 00:13:35,322 And he's so... The tom drum is so far placed back in the mix. 378 00:13:35,472 --> 00:13:36,687 Yeah. Yeah, on top of- 379 00:13:36,687 --> 00:13:37,108 It's kind of tucked right in there 380 00:13:37,182 --> 00:13:38,412 ... it's what I love about the way they- 381 00:13:38,472 --> 00:13:39,882 Much more than the first record 382 00:13:39,912 --> 00:13:41,772 ... I love the second half of the song. 383 00:13:43,032 --> 00:13:43,452 Now this, 384 00:13:45,402 --> 00:13:47,921 as little as I know about Radiohead, as soon as I hear that kind of... 385 00:13:48,882 --> 00:13:49,932 Was that keyboard or guitar? 386 00:13:51,132 --> 00:13:52,392 That's acoustic guitar. 387 00:13:52,662 --> 00:13:55,483 Man, I would immediately know it's Radiohead. To me, this is classic. 388 00:13:56,142 --> 00:14:02,127 It broke into a run And I scared from the end And I 389 00:14:02,233 --> 00:14:05,053 scared from the end I 390 00:14:05,083 --> 00:14:09,072 raised a 391 00:14:10,752 --> 00:14:12,896 glass to see 392 00:14:12,896 --> 00:14:16,123 Just gorgeous. They have so many songs that are like this, that are kind of like A, 393 00:14:16,242 --> 00:14:17,952 B, A, B, C. 394 00:14:18,192 --> 00:14:18,462 Mm-hmm. 395 00:14:18,912 --> 00:14:20,066 In the last minute and a half- 396 00:14:20,172 --> 00:14:20,892 It's something, yeah 397 00:14:20,906 --> 00:14:25,152 ... it's something completely different. And always so harmonically interesting. 398 00:14:25,242 --> 00:14:30,072 Like, if that were in the hands of another sort of rock band from that time, it's 399 00:14:30,102 --> 00:14:31,632 going to stay pretty straightforward. 400 00:14:31,662 --> 00:14:34,542 The producer's going to be like, "No, guys, we've got to keep it- 401 00:14:34,632 --> 00:14:35,053 Yeah 402 00:14:35,066 --> 00:14:36,162 ... palatable or whatever." 403 00:14:36,178 --> 00:14:36,678 Yeah 404 00:14:36,178 --> 00:14:39,566 But they're adding all this, like when that warbly synth comes in and it's going to 405 00:14:39,566 --> 00:14:40,962 those weird minor six chords- 406 00:14:41,083 --> 00:14:41,142 Yeah 407 00:14:41,202 --> 00:14:47,053 ... and minor major seven chords, and then the end has these the classic, 408 00:14:47,142 --> 00:14:52,483 like the minor chord over the third. 409 00:14:52,587 --> 00:14:53,087 Yeah. 410 00:14:52,752 --> 00:14:55,932 That's another huge thing with their harmony. I love it, man. 411 00:14:55,962 --> 00:14:59,322 I'm such a sucker for it. Hey, everyone, taking a break real quick. 412 00:14:59,382 --> 00:15:02,562 We throw around a lot of music theory terms here in the show. 413 00:15:02,623 --> 00:15:05,187 If you're Googling things like what is a triad, or- 414 00:15:05,202 --> 00:15:07,483 Hold on. I'm Googling what is a triad. 415 00:15:07,662 --> 00:15:07,678 Okay 416 00:15:07,678 --> 00:15:09,146 ... or what is a Lydian chord? 417 00:15:09,222 --> 00:15:09,972 How do you spell Lydian? 418 00:15:10,002 --> 00:15:11,053 You don't have to play that, bro. 419 00:15:11,472 --> 00:15:11,486 Okay. Sorry. 420 00:15:11,502 --> 00:15:15,252 Good news. We have all the answers for you in the Liner Notes. 421 00:15:15,373 --> 00:15:19,227 You'll find the Liner Notes companion guide with clear, simple explanations of the 422 00:15:19,272 --> 00:15:23,142 concepts we explore in this episode in the episode description. 423 00:15:23,623 --> 00:15:26,712 Download the Liner Notes for this episode for free today. 424 00:15:27,282 --> 00:15:29,682 The next track, this is actually one of their oldest songs. 425 00:15:29,712 --> 00:15:29,863 Mm. 426 00:15:29,983 --> 00:15:34,483 They could never find a version that they liked in all their years of recording 427 00:15:34,542 --> 00:15:36,642 until 2007. This is called "Nude." 428 00:15:53,412 --> 00:16:25,152 Don't 429 00:16:25,303 --> 00:16:27,312 care that 430 00:16:29,442 --> 00:16:33,522 bigger tears 431 00:16:34,062 --> 00:16:37,108 That are 432 00:16:38,772 --> 00:16:41,083 gonna burn 433 00:16:41,233 --> 00:16:45,132 The contrasting textures here are the dry drums and the wet vocals. 434 00:16:46,212 --> 00:16:46,512 Yeah. 435 00:16:51,342 --> 00:16:51,387 Mm. 436 00:16:51,972 --> 00:16:56,742 New pages of white 437 00:16:57,553 --> 00:16:59,817 reflect all 438 00:16:59,817 --> 00:17:02,652 There's so much intentionality to their harmonic progression. 439 00:17:02,952 --> 00:17:03,462 Yeah 440 00:17:03,702 --> 00:17:05,652 Very clear and like... 441 00:17:06,852 --> 00:17:08,922 Something missing 442 00:17:10,482 --> 00:17:14,562 I mean, we talked about this when we talked about OK Computer, but it's no wonder 443 00:17:14,592 --> 00:17:17,863 that a lot of modern jazz musicians really respond to this music well. 444 00:17:18,312 --> 00:17:19,032 You could hear 445 00:17:21,013 --> 00:17:23,667 someone, like a young modern jazz musician- 446 00:17:23,712 --> 00:17:23,833 Right 447 00:17:23,863 --> 00:17:25,363 ... writing a tune that sounds like this. 448 00:17:25,842 --> 00:17:27,897 Yeah, and I think for folks that are like, "What are you talking about? 449 00:17:27,972 --> 00:17:32,202 This isn't jazz. How the hell do you hear that?" There's a 450 00:17:32,292 --> 00:17:35,382 certain type of... 451 00:17:36,792 --> 00:17:40,182 I mean, it's really composition. I mean, yes, there's the songwriting part of it, 452 00:17:40,602 --> 00:17:44,412 but I think for this kind of thing, it's really the composition that could be any 453 00:17:45,132 --> 00:17:49,242 style. I don't even know what we would call this style or genre. 454 00:17:50,622 --> 00:17:56,322 But when a jazz musician hears it, we're connecting, I would say primarily 455 00:17:56,352 --> 00:17:59,352 with the harmony, and how the harmony changes. 456 00:17:59,397 --> 00:18:00,912 And that's what we talk about, the changes. 457 00:18:01,092 --> 00:18:01,212 Yeah 458 00:18:01,452 --> 00:18:05,097 It's primarily a harmonic thing, and then we start thinking about, "Oh, how could 459 00:18:05,172 --> 00:18:07,107 we adapt that?" Not necessarily just... 460 00:18:07,467 --> 00:18:09,282 I know a lot of times we get a bad rap for like- 461 00:18:09,612 --> 00:18:09,852 Yeah 462 00:18:10,062 --> 00:18:11,592 ... mess it up and ruin it. 463 00:18:11,682 --> 00:18:11,787 Yeah 464 00:18:12,013 --> 00:18:14,727 But it's more like, is there something there that inspires us? 465 00:18:14,772 --> 00:18:20,502 Not unlike the tradition coming out of the bebop musicians taking- A Cole Porter 466 00:18:20,562 --> 00:18:20,727 song 467 00:18:20,803 --> 00:18:21,852 Great American Songbook songs 468 00:18:21,867 --> 00:18:22,872 Great American Songbooks 469 00:18:23,082 --> 00:18:25,767 And it is the harmony. And- 470 00:18:25,796 --> 00:18:28,572 I know. Because if it doesn't have that, you have to manufacture it 471 00:18:28,632 --> 00:18:28,902 Yeah 472 00:18:28,962 --> 00:18:30,431 Which we might do anyway. 473 00:18:30,462 --> 00:18:33,942 Yeah, we might do. But also, I think it's the way the melody and the harmony 474 00:18:33,957 --> 00:18:34,513 interact. 475 00:18:34,557 --> 00:18:35,232 Yes, for sure. 476 00:18:35,442 --> 00:18:39,792 There's a lot of these long, held notes where the harmony changes underneath in an 477 00:18:39,822 --> 00:18:40,513 interesting way. 478 00:18:40,662 --> 00:18:40,827 Right 479 00:18:41,082 --> 00:18:43,272 That's like a Wayne Shorter thing. You know what I mean? 480 00:18:43,303 --> 00:18:47,067 But if you think about the great pop songs that have beautiful melodies, and they 481 00:18:47,082 --> 00:18:50,112 don't have those necessarily interesting things with the harmony underneath. 482 00:18:50,172 --> 00:18:55,962 When a jazz musician would take that, we have to create all that ourselves, right? 483 00:18:56,022 --> 00:18:56,172 Yeah 484 00:18:56,322 --> 00:18:58,303 And maybe we shouldn't be, but that's what we do. 485 00:18:58,332 --> 00:19:01,513 Whereas with this type of material, I can definitely hear it on that. 486 00:19:01,872 --> 00:19:04,782 And I correct myself, there was a hit. This was actually a top 40 hit. 487 00:19:04,842 --> 00:19:06,852 This was in the US and the UK. 488 00:19:06,882 --> 00:19:07,557 Okay, it was? Oh, interesting. 489 00:19:07,572 --> 00:19:08,517 Yeah. Number 37 490 00:19:08,591 --> 00:19:08,652 Wow 491 00:19:08,832 --> 00:19:09,042 But- 492 00:19:09,642 --> 00:19:11,202 First US top 40 hit since Creep. 493 00:19:11,442 --> 00:19:11,712 Right. 494 00:19:11,982 --> 00:19:12,402 Crazy. 495 00:19:12,553 --> 00:19:12,852 Yeah. 496 00:19:12,912 --> 00:19:13,122 Wow. 497 00:19:13,482 --> 00:19:16,182 Well, as you said before, that was not their jam- 498 00:19:16,303 --> 00:19:16,347 No 499 00:19:16,392 --> 00:19:19,317 ... to put out a bunch of singles. What was I... Oh, yeah. 500 00:19:19,392 --> 00:19:23,352 So the harmony underneath, when there's already some interesting things, actually, 501 00:19:23,442 --> 00:19:26,396 we don't need to do as much with this type of material. 502 00:19:26,562 --> 00:19:30,912 Same way with a great standard tune that you don't have to re-harmonize and stuff. 503 00:19:31,002 --> 00:19:31,647 So it 504 00:19:33,222 --> 00:19:38,502 more, I think, comes from a fairly organic place for jazz musicians to take 505 00:19:38,532 --> 00:19:41,876 different- It's not about like, "Oh, let me jazz up Radiohead because I always 506 00:19:41,952 --> 00:19:44,982 love that, but now I want to turn it into what I want to do." It's more like we 507 00:19:45,042 --> 00:19:47,157 hear something there. We hear possibilities- 508 00:19:47,292 --> 00:19:47,442 Yeah 509 00:19:47,982 --> 00:19:51,178 ... beyond that, but not like we're having to take it apart so much we should've 510 00:19:51,192 --> 00:19:54,282 just written our own tune. Although some people say that. 511 00:19:55,242 --> 00:19:55,542 It's true, it's true. 512 00:19:55,632 --> 00:19:56,457 But when it's done well- 513 00:19:56,652 --> 00:19:57,117 When it's done well 514 00:19:57,117 --> 00:19:57,867 ... when it's done well- 515 00:19:57,942 --> 00:19:59,067 It feeds us 516 00:19:59,067 --> 00:20:00,237 ... it's an extension, maybe, of it 517 00:20:00,237 --> 00:20:02,532 It feeds us enough nutrients 518 00:20:02,622 --> 00:20:02,638 Right 519 00:20:02,638 --> 00:20:04,888 ... musical nutrients that we can really dig in. 520 00:20:05,142 --> 00:20:06,312 You're saying it feeds our soul. 521 00:20:06,402 --> 00:20:06,672 Yes. 522 00:20:06,702 --> 00:20:07,182 Yes. 523 00:20:07,212 --> 00:20:10,167 The next track is, this might be my favorite track on the album 524 00:20:10,303 --> 00:20:10,572 Yep 525 00:20:10,962 --> 00:20:14,682 ... so much so that I got a little surprise for everybody after we listen to it. 526 00:20:14,742 --> 00:20:16,812 This is "Weird Fishes." 527 00:20:24,222 --> 00:20:24,492 Hmm. 528 00:20:47,172 --> 00:20:49,632 I love the bass here. In fourths. 529 00:20:51,882 --> 00:20:52,782 Boom, boom, boom, boom. 530 00:20:53,082 --> 00:20:53,862 Now it's an octave 531 00:20:54,042 --> 00:20:54,222 Yeah. 532 00:20:54,282 --> 00:20:54,882 Yeah, nice. 533 00:20:57,553 --> 00:20:59,067 I wish there was a simple way to learn that. 534 00:21:02,967 --> 00:21:02,997 Me too. 535 00:21:02,997 --> 00:21:03,372 More soon 536 00:21:15,147 --> 00:21:17,412 Down in the deepest ocean 537 00:21:21,222 --> 00:21:23,202 The bottom of the sea 538 00:21:26,952 --> 00:21:30,042 Your eyes 539 00:21:31,392 --> 00:21:35,053 They turn me 540 00:21:40,272 --> 00:21:42,732 Why should I stay here 541 00:21:46,542 --> 00:21:47,712 Why should I stay 542 00:21:47,742 --> 00:21:48,072 Can 543 00:21:53,412 --> 00:21:55,482 we get an angsty movie to throw this- 544 00:21:56,053 --> 00:21:58,542 Oh, I'm sure there's been a few movies this has been on 545 00:21:59,263 --> 00:22:00,162 ... this soundtrack on now? Teenage angst 546 00:22:00,432 --> 00:22:06,252 I'd be crazy not 547 00:22:06,372 --> 00:22:07,888 to follow where you lead 548 00:22:07,888 --> 00:22:08,772 It's just keeps building. 549 00:22:10,752 --> 00:22:11,412 Adding layers 550 00:22:11,442 --> 00:22:11,502 Yeah 551 00:22:11,517 --> 00:22:12,912 ... things are swirling. 552 00:22:14,412 --> 00:22:19,287 We play this song in my trio, and maybe we'll do a version for this show, but 553 00:22:20,682 --> 00:22:24,837 I tried to figure out the pattern in that swirling main guitar, and it's not 554 00:22:24,882 --> 00:22:26,442 random, but it's also not- 555 00:22:26,472 --> 00:22:27,222 It's not square. 556 00:22:27,312 --> 00:22:27,567 Yeah. 557 00:22:27,702 --> 00:22:27,732 Right 558 00:22:27,747 --> 00:22:29,562 It's like they're kind of just playing it. 559 00:22:29,622 --> 00:22:29,696 Yeah 560 00:22:29,712 --> 00:22:33,807 And I think whoever is playing that, probably Jonny Greenwood, is doing whatever 561 00:22:33,822 --> 00:22:34,632 he wants with it. You know? 562 00:22:34,662 --> 00:22:37,752 But it's interesting, too. You hear as the different layers come in, as the 563 00:22:37,782 --> 00:22:43,707 intensity grows, the one thing that's not changing, I don't think at all, is 564 00:22:43,752 --> 00:22:45,717 the drum groove. Well, you have that cymbal crash- 565 00:22:45,792 --> 00:22:45,912 Yeah 566 00:22:45,928 --> 00:22:47,502 ... which hasn't been there in a while. Now it's opening up. 567 00:22:47,562 --> 00:22:48,192 Now it's opening up. 568 00:22:48,282 --> 00:22:50,862 So that was a long way of disciplining that same pattern- 569 00:22:50,922 --> 00:22:51,222 For sure 570 00:22:51,252 --> 00:22:55,077 ... but using the other elements, whereas the drums is the most obvious one. 571 00:22:55,152 --> 00:22:56,112 Now you save that. 572 00:22:58,362 --> 00:23:00,641 Now you got it. Everything's open, right? 573 00:23:01,872 --> 00:23:04,572 They'll take everything 574 00:23:04,992 --> 00:23:07,872 Now there's guitars, there's synths serving. 575 00:23:08,967 --> 00:23:10,632 Yeah. Definitely more guitar heavy over the right 576 00:23:10,752 --> 00:23:12,582 As long as you lead It's 577 00:23:14,053 --> 00:23:15,732 my turn 578 00:23:16,513 --> 00:23:20,832 And then he moves into that background vocal, which has a lot more verb and effect 579 00:23:20,922 --> 00:23:21,042 on 580 00:23:21,132 --> 00:23:22,722 I'm drawn by the worms 581 00:23:22,752 --> 00:23:25,482 Hmm. And then all of a sudden, it feels like we're in a fish tank 582 00:23:26,202 --> 00:23:28,032 Weird fishes 583 00:23:28,122 --> 00:23:29,622 And all of a sudden, his voice is dry. 584 00:23:29,922 --> 00:23:30,492 Totally dry. 585 00:23:31,932 --> 00:23:33,492 But it's a weird fish. A dry fish. 586 00:23:38,652 --> 00:23:41,622 Drawn by the worms Weird fishes 587 00:23:44,982 --> 00:23:46,946 Weird fishes 588 00:23:49,602 --> 00:23:52,242 It's a great build, and break it down 589 00:23:52,272 --> 00:23:56,112 Weird fishes 590 00:24:38,622 --> 00:24:40,032 Guitars are back in it now 591 00:24:41,592 --> 00:24:42,612 Yes 592 00:24:47,682 --> 00:24:48,492 Again, it's that 593 00:24:50,922 --> 00:24:52,481 two distinct sections. 594 00:24:52,782 --> 00:24:52,932 Yeah. 595 00:24:53,022 --> 00:24:54,852 This is the whole end of the song is totally different 596 00:24:54,972 --> 00:24:55,122 Right 597 00:24:55,242 --> 00:24:56,022 It's not going to go back. 598 00:24:56,172 --> 00:24:56,742 Two stories. 599 00:25:00,882 --> 00:25:01,002 Yeah. 600 00:25:01,017 --> 00:25:04,002 Yeah, once they broke down without the drums, it was like either going to stay 601 00:25:04,032 --> 00:25:08,382 there or if they came back in, which they did, it's something different. 602 00:25:08,472 --> 00:25:14,382 It's great. Man, their use of large form within these 603 00:25:15,162 --> 00:25:20,067 songs that are not that long, actually, but each one kind of feels epic because of 604 00:25:20,112 --> 00:25:24,072 their mastery of form and balance in terms of how the music is presented. 605 00:25:24,132 --> 00:25:24,432 Totally 606 00:25:24,492 --> 00:25:27,582 Which is really certainly the composition, but also the production. 607 00:25:27,642 --> 00:25:30,942 And one thing about In Rainbows is this might be the most complete album where 608 00:25:30,972 --> 00:25:34,032 there's really no filler on it. Every song is very, very solid. 609 00:25:34,362 --> 00:25:38,203 Not that there's ever that many skippable tracks at all on a Radiohead album, but 610 00:25:38,232 --> 00:25:41,997 man, everything is so slamming on this. 611 00:25:41,997 --> 00:25:43,047 And this song in particular- 612 00:25:43,122 --> 00:25:44,652 Everything's in its right place, is that what you're saying? 613 00:25:44,712 --> 00:25:45,912 Yeah, everything's in its right place. 614 00:25:47,292 --> 00:25:50,112 Hey, Peter, remember last week I made a lesson to teach beginners how to play 615 00:25:50,203 --> 00:25:52,393 "Isn't She Lovely" from Songs in the Key of Life? 616 00:25:52,513 --> 00:25:52,813 Mm-hmm. 617 00:25:54,042 --> 00:25:54,942 I did it again. 618 00:25:55,393 --> 00:25:57,672 Oops. He did it again. 619 00:25:58,033 --> 00:25:59,652 No, not yet. That's later this season. 620 00:25:59,712 --> 00:25:59,727 Okay. 621 00:25:59,742 --> 00:26:02,652 Yeah. No, I took a song from In Rainbows. I took "Weird Fishes." 622 00:26:02,802 --> 00:26:06,013 And I made a lesson aimed at people who have never played piano before. 623 00:26:06,072 --> 00:26:09,972 So if you want to learn how to play "Weird Fishes" on the piano and you've never even 624 00:26:10,152 --> 00:26:12,792 touched a piano before, or maybe you took lessons years ago, I don't know. 625 00:26:12,942 --> 00:26:13,302 Yeah. 626 00:26:13,393 --> 00:26:14,772 I'm going to show you how to do that. 627 00:26:14,832 --> 00:26:20,022 It's starting to become a little bit of a club. A little bit of a club for players. 628 00:26:20,172 --> 00:26:22,272 Oh, so you're saying like a Players Club. 629 00:26:22,332 --> 00:26:23,772 A little bit of a Players Club. 630 00:26:23,787 --> 00:26:24,162 Nice. I like it. 631 00:26:24,357 --> 00:26:26,442 Yeah. I've been having such a blast making these lessons. 632 00:26:26,622 --> 00:26:29,247 I show you exactly what to do, where to put your hands. 633 00:26:29,292 --> 00:26:32,982 We even had our producer, Liz, try this, and she is nailing it. 634 00:26:33,042 --> 00:26:34,752 Really? I didn't even know Liz had a piano. 635 00:26:34,932 --> 00:26:35,441 Me either. 636 00:26:35,906 --> 00:26:36,328 That's awesome. 637 00:26:36,582 --> 00:26:40,063 This is a bit of a first for Open Studio, where we're teaching even early beginners 638 00:26:40,092 --> 00:26:40,513 how to play. 639 00:26:40,768 --> 00:26:44,802 Right. And this is not a free offering, we want to be clear, but it is a value pack 640 00:26:44,893 --> 00:26:46,092 offering, so I'm excited about it. 641 00:26:46,152 --> 00:26:49,332 It really is. So go check it out. I'll teach you how to play "Weird Fishes." 642 00:26:49,692 --> 00:26:52,002 And you can learn how to play "Isn't She Lovely," too. 643 00:26:52,242 --> 00:26:54,462 We're calling this series of lessons the Players Club. 644 00:26:54,522 --> 00:26:57,252 You can find out more at the show notes. Go check it out. 645 00:26:57,732 --> 00:26:58,393 Now, I mean- 646 00:26:58,542 --> 00:26:59,277 Track number five, right? 647 00:26:59,292 --> 00:27:00,867 Track number five. Now we're really getting into- 648 00:27:00,867 --> 00:27:01,317 We're getting into the- 649 00:27:01,347 --> 00:27:02,622 ... some great stuff. This is "All I Need." 650 00:27:34,617 --> 00:27:35,862 F, Ph. 651 00:27:37,408 --> 00:27:40,557 I'm the next act 652 00:27:41,908 --> 00:27:45,492 waiting in the wings. 653 00:27:51,117 --> 00:27:56,697 I'm an animal trapped in 654 00:27:56,877 --> 00:27:59,188 your car. 655 00:28:04,917 --> 00:28:10,768 I am all the days that you choose to 656 00:28:10,888 --> 00:28:12,507 ignore. 657 00:28:23,908 --> 00:28:26,638 You are all I need. 658 00:28:29,217 --> 00:28:32,067 You're all I need. 659 00:28:33,057 --> 00:28:34,677 What I love about this is where it sits. 660 00:28:34,977 --> 00:28:39,328 So we're coming out of the thickest song on the album, just those swirling guitars 661 00:28:39,357 --> 00:28:41,427 and synths for four minutes. 662 00:28:41,518 --> 00:28:41,967 Yeah. 663 00:28:41,997 --> 00:28:44,247 And then we just go to a bass line and a vocal. 664 00:28:44,337 --> 00:28:44,547 Yeah. 665 00:28:44,847 --> 00:28:45,283 Simple drum beat. 666 00:28:45,297 --> 00:28:49,197 And I love that this was assembled from four different takes. 667 00:28:49,287 --> 00:28:49,797 Oh, really? 668 00:28:49,888 --> 00:28:54,252 Yes. And they actually did this in some other places in the album, but this is kind 669 00:28:54,297 --> 00:28:57,013 of the thickest version of that. Vocals from one take, drums from another, 670 00:28:58,737 --> 00:29:01,901 and they kind of picked all the best bits, then forced them together. 671 00:29:01,917 --> 00:29:05,007 Thom Yorke called it deliberate disembodiment. 672 00:29:05,578 --> 00:29:05,967 Wow. 673 00:29:06,057 --> 00:29:06,747 Yeah. 674 00:29:06,987 --> 00:29:10,796 Next up, we've got "Faust Arp." These are featuring strings from the Millennia 675 00:29:11,097 --> 00:29:13,302 Ensemble, conducted by Sally Herbert. 676 00:29:14,217 --> 00:29:14,877 Y2K. 677 00:29:15,147 --> 00:29:16,302 Everton Nelson. 678 00:29:16,347 --> 00:29:16,707 What's up? 679 00:29:16,947 --> 00:29:18,597 This is a great song. This is- 680 00:29:18,627 --> 00:29:19,317 You survived 681 00:29:19,467 --> 00:29:20,247 ... "Faust Arp." 682 00:29:23,847 --> 00:29:25,587 One, two, three, four. 683 00:29:25,707 --> 00:29:31,018 Wakey wakey, rise and shine. It's on again, off again, on again. 684 00:29:31,047 --> 00:29:32,203 And watch me fall like- 685 00:29:32,277 --> 00:29:32,757 One, three 686 00:29:32,967 --> 00:29:34,813 ... a falling nose. Pretty patterns- 687 00:29:34,917 --> 00:29:36,057 Oh, it's up 688 00:29:36,297 --> 00:29:41,786 ... in the back of my eye. And tingling, tingling, tingling is what you feel. 689 00:29:41,847 --> 00:29:46,513 No, what you are to, what you are to. Reasonable is sensible. 690 00:29:47,022 --> 00:29:47,522 Good. 691 00:29:47,097 --> 00:29:49,977 Deaf from the neck up. I guess I'm stuck. 692 00:29:50,817 --> 00:29:53,427 I think that's the Radiohead. 693 00:29:53,442 --> 00:29:54,942 You thought you had it enough. 694 00:29:55,347 --> 00:29:55,497 Yeah. 695 00:29:56,067 --> 00:29:58,677 No, no. 696 00:29:58,707 --> 00:29:59,847 Well, who was it? They called it- 697 00:30:00,507 --> 00:30:05,337 Squeeze the tubes and empty bottles. I take a bow, take a bow, take a bow. 698 00:30:05,533 --> 00:30:06,177 It's what you feel 699 00:30:06,207 --> 00:30:09,042 ... Thom Yorke called it their "Revolver," this album. 700 00:30:09,268 --> 00:30:10,828 Oh, that makes total sense, actually. 701 00:30:10,842 --> 00:30:11,908 Yeah. He called it Radiohead's- 702 00:30:12,027 --> 00:30:12,297 Oh, that's- 703 00:30:12,313 --> 00:30:12,792 ... later on 704 00:30:12,897 --> 00:30:13,677 ... super interesting. 705 00:30:13,828 --> 00:30:13,842 Yeah. 706 00:30:13,857 --> 00:30:15,582 Wow. I never heard that. 707 00:30:15,837 --> 00:30:19,227 This is also the earliest I've ever heard Thom Yorke enter a song. 708 00:30:19,677 --> 00:30:21,388 Yeah. He comes right away. 709 00:30:21,417 --> 00:30:25,647 He's usually like, "Get the vibe happening, then I'll get there when I get there. 710 00:30:25,977 --> 00:30:27,207 Let me know when the party's started." 711 00:30:27,237 --> 00:30:27,763 So true too. 712 00:30:27,807 --> 00:30:30,087 "Let me know when the angst is elevated, then I'm entering." 713 00:30:30,222 --> 00:30:30,897 Great call. 714 00:30:31,617 --> 00:30:34,677 No. Tell me, baby, that I can go. 715 00:30:34,737 --> 00:30:35,487 Yeah, but it's very 716 00:30:36,837 --> 00:30:39,688 Beatlesque. And with the strings super present. 717 00:30:39,807 --> 00:30:39,957 Yeah. 718 00:30:40,422 --> 00:30:42,477 Whenever the Beatles bring in the strings, they'll be like, boom. 719 00:30:43,317 --> 00:30:44,787 There's no real reason. 720 00:30:46,857 --> 00:30:49,138 Ooh, that's a well-recorded, well-played guitar. 721 00:30:51,447 --> 00:30:55,078 The balance between the bass tenor strings and the... 722 00:30:56,908 --> 00:30:59,908 And then the low bass comes in there for the first time. 723 00:31:01,737 --> 00:31:03,057 I wouldn't be surprised if they even spent 724 00:31:05,697 --> 00:31:08,397 tens of hours mixing each of these tracks. 725 00:31:08,487 --> 00:31:08,502 For sure. 726 00:31:08,502 --> 00:31:10,586 There's a lot of intentionality in the mix. 727 00:31:10,737 --> 00:31:18,658 But 728 00:31:18,672 --> 00:31:19,768 I- 729 00:31:23,967 --> 00:31:25,467 Two minutes, that's all you need. Yeah. 730 00:31:25,513 --> 00:31:28,138 And so when we talk about mix, I know sometimes people are like, "What do you mean 731 00:31:28,167 --> 00:31:33,897 they spend time mixing it up when they're playing songs?" No, after the track is 732 00:31:33,987 --> 00:31:38,067 finished, I have the feeling with them too, correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Radiohead. 733 00:31:39,027 --> 00:31:41,607 Let me text Robert Glasper, see who can out-Radiohead who. 734 00:31:42,328 --> 00:31:43,857 Can we please get Robert Glasper on the show? 735 00:31:44,067 --> 00:31:46,347 And we can just listen to what he wants to listen to. 736 00:31:46,467 --> 00:31:49,408 I'm really interested in what is on his playlists. 737 00:31:49,677 --> 00:31:55,587 Right. So when we talk about putting the track together, rehearsing, 738 00:31:55,647 --> 00:31:58,301 recording, and on the track before this, 739 00:32:01,377 --> 00:32:07,107 for "All I Need," for using different tracks to assemble it. 740 00:32:07,167 --> 00:32:12,147 That's still not mixing. The mixing process starts, I'm telling you, you know this 741 00:32:12,177 --> 00:32:13,947 because you've done this, this is for the dear listeners. 742 00:32:14,127 --> 00:32:14,397 Yeah. 743 00:32:14,457 --> 00:32:19,828 The mixing process traditionally starts in earnest once everything is done 744 00:32:19,857 --> 00:32:20,847 musically. The whole thing has been- 745 00:32:20,877 --> 00:32:21,717 Ideally. 746 00:32:21,732 --> 00:32:23,277 Ideally. Although actually, you know what? 747 00:32:23,307 --> 00:32:25,272 There's a lot of mixing that goes on as it goes. 748 00:32:25,347 --> 00:32:25,977 There's a lot of mixing. I know, I know. 749 00:32:26,067 --> 00:32:28,018 But traditionally, you've got the track. 750 00:32:28,047 --> 00:32:29,967 At a certain point, you have to be like, the music is what it is. 751 00:32:30,507 --> 00:32:34,647 But you would be shocked at how much, especially I know on an album like this- 752 00:32:34,662 --> 00:32:34,947 Oh, my God 753 00:32:35,037 --> 00:32:40,828 ... the mix affects the music. And by its very most basic definition, the mix 754 00:32:40,888 --> 00:32:43,992 is just how much guitar there is, how loud it is- 755 00:32:44,127 --> 00:32:44,578 Yeah 756 00:32:44,592 --> 00:32:46,888 ... in relation to the drums, in relation to the vocal. 757 00:32:47,127 --> 00:32:49,332 That's just the basic thing, and moving those. 758 00:32:49,377 --> 00:32:51,792 And so when you talk about a mixer, it's like pushing those, let's try it with 759 00:32:51,867 --> 00:32:55,212 this. But it's also like, well, no, just push up the vocals a little bit for that 760 00:32:55,257 --> 00:32:55,872 one word- 761 00:32:55,917 --> 00:32:56,037 Yeah 762 00:32:56,051 --> 00:32:56,592 ... or pull it back. 763 00:32:56,697 --> 00:32:56,712 Well- 764 00:32:56,712 --> 00:32:57,567 That's called active mixing 765 00:32:57,582 --> 00:32:58,391 ... and sometimes- 766 00:32:58,438 --> 00:33:01,422 You don't have to over-active mix it 767 00:33:01,422 --> 00:33:03,732 ... comping of the tracks happens in the mix because you hear things- 768 00:33:03,763 --> 00:33:04,263 Right 769 00:33:03,867 --> 00:33:06,688 ... in a new way, and you're like, "Should we take out that four-bar section?" That 770 00:33:06,717 --> 00:33:06,822 happens. 771 00:33:06,897 --> 00:33:11,457 Right. But then the other big part of the mix is how each of the tracks or the 772 00:33:11,518 --> 00:33:16,797 instruments sound. So you brought up a couple of times how wet or how 773 00:33:17,217 --> 00:33:17,667 dry- 774 00:33:17,877 --> 00:33:17,922 Yeah 775 00:33:17,922 --> 00:33:21,537 ... a vocal is, reverb, not EQ, pushing up the high. 776 00:33:21,597 --> 00:33:23,727 There's so many different things, you would be shocked. 777 00:33:23,817 --> 00:33:28,332 So somebody who mixes an album, and I have the feeling that I'm sure Greenwood and 778 00:33:28,527 --> 00:33:30,117 Thom Yorke and stuff were very involved with that. 779 00:33:30,177 --> 00:33:32,247 It just feels like that kind of band, right? 780 00:33:32,277 --> 00:33:32,367 For sure. 781 00:33:32,697 --> 00:33:35,082 Where they're very involved with the mix, with the engineer, with the producer. 782 00:33:35,158 --> 00:33:37,453 Yeah. Compared to acoustic music that we make- 783 00:33:37,587 --> 00:33:37,677 Yeah 784 00:33:37,707 --> 00:33:43,107 ... where the mix is maybe 10, 15% of the art on the album. 785 00:33:43,377 --> 00:33:43,557 Right. 786 00:33:43,828 --> 00:33:44,367 You would say like- 787 00:33:44,427 --> 00:33:45,837 Yeah, and just the amount of time spent- 788 00:33:45,927 --> 00:33:46,018 Yeah 789 00:33:46,033 --> 00:33:48,927 ... compared to. Although it can get pushed, too. 790 00:33:49,138 --> 00:33:50,712 It's like 50% or more- 791 00:33:50,967 --> 00:33:51,087 Yeah 792 00:33:51,102 --> 00:33:52,002 ... on an album like this. 793 00:33:52,078 --> 00:33:52,138 Right. 794 00:33:52,197 --> 00:33:56,457 It's so important. Like you mentioned, when Thom Yorke's vocals go dry in that 795 00:33:56,487 --> 00:34:00,447 breakdown in "Weird Fishes," that is an incredible artistic choice. 796 00:34:00,596 --> 00:34:00,701 Right. 797 00:34:00,763 --> 00:34:02,307 That's art happening in the mix. 798 00:34:02,697 --> 00:34:06,057 Yeah, and it affects the music as much as the harmony that was chosen. 799 00:34:06,117 --> 00:34:06,446 Yeah, totally. 800 00:34:06,477 --> 00:34:10,002 When to drop the drums out. And I'm sure for most of this, if not all of it, they 801 00:34:10,018 --> 00:34:14,772 have total isolation. That's another reason in a lot of acoustic music or jazz or 802 00:34:14,787 --> 00:34:19,467 whatever, classical, there's not as much put on to mix because you can't mix things 803 00:34:19,498 --> 00:34:21,582 separately because there's bleeding through and stuff like this. 804 00:34:21,957 --> 00:34:24,927 But the fact that they piece some of these things together from different takes on 805 00:34:24,957 --> 00:34:27,658 different instruments would indicate that they had total separation. 806 00:34:27,687 --> 00:34:32,007 So you can do any more, and a lot of times people over-mix and get too active with 807 00:34:32,037 --> 00:34:32,158 it. 808 00:34:32,397 --> 00:34:35,502 Well, since we're talking about reverb, we're talking about this next track, 809 00:34:35,562 --> 00:34:38,067 "Reckoner," which is one of my favorite Radiohead tracks of all time. 810 00:34:38,097 --> 00:34:39,252 Isn't it Rickoner? 811 00:34:39,268 --> 00:34:44,337 Rickoner. I think it's "Reckoner," and it's also one of my favorite reverbs ever. 812 00:34:46,662 --> 00:34:47,162 Woo. 813 00:34:51,147 --> 00:34:51,567 That's like 814 00:34:54,087 --> 00:34:57,867 big empty hall, box theater reverb. 815 00:34:59,157 --> 00:35:02,187 It reminds me of these Brazilian albums in the '70s- 816 00:35:02,202 --> 00:35:02,702 Mm. 817 00:35:02,202 --> 00:35:04,077 ... that were samba school albums. 818 00:35:04,197 --> 00:35:04,377 Right. 819 00:35:04,498 --> 00:35:05,998 Sounded like they were recorded in a cave. 820 00:35:06,117 --> 00:35:06,297 Right. 821 00:35:07,677 --> 00:35:08,893 Drums in a big hall like that- 822 00:35:08,998 --> 00:35:09,207 Yeah 823 00:35:09,222 --> 00:35:10,827 ... sound unbelievable. 824 00:35:13,407 --> 00:35:15,717 The guitar doesn't have it, I don't think. 825 00:35:17,907 --> 00:35:18,597 Yeah, it's just drums. 826 00:35:20,787 --> 00:35:21,957 This song came out of a jam. 827 00:35:22,167 --> 00:35:24,447 Yeah. Loose group jam. 828 00:35:24,748 --> 00:35:28,947 Apparently. But Thom Yorke's melody throughout here is haunting. 829 00:35:32,127 --> 00:35:34,587 That's the normal timing, Thom Yorke comes in. 830 00:35:35,592 --> 00:35:35,922 That's right. 831 00:35:35,967 --> 00:35:36,748 The party's started. 832 00:35:36,867 --> 00:35:37,931 50 seconds in. 833 00:35:37,931 --> 00:35:39,387 He's not like, "Oh, party's at 8:00? 834 00:35:39,417 --> 00:35:40,137 I'll be there at 8:00." 835 00:35:40,197 --> 00:35:41,487 Yeah. He's coming at 10:30. 836 00:35:41,518 --> 00:35:42,537 He's going to roll up out there. 837 00:35:52,557 --> 00:35:56,577 There's still no 838 00:35:57,147 --> 00:36:00,417 pleasure. 839 00:36:06,657 --> 00:36:08,007 It's a five-chord phrase. 840 00:36:08,397 --> 00:36:09,117 Yeah. 841 00:36:09,237 --> 00:36:10,768 You know what I mean? Like that verse part. 842 00:36:13,467 --> 00:36:15,612 You are not 843 00:36:17,637 --> 00:36:20,847 to blame for 844 00:36:23,007 --> 00:36:23,022 this. 845 00:36:24,807 --> 00:36:27,357 Man, that gives it such a- 846 00:36:27,912 --> 00:36:28,412 Yeah. 847 00:36:27,927 --> 00:36:30,147 It's so like that, but it's just enough. 848 00:36:30,207 --> 00:36:34,197 It's jarring in the most subtle way when you do that. 849 00:36:34,257 --> 00:36:35,937 For sure. It's great. 850 00:36:36,357 --> 00:36:42,027 Does this make sense? 851 00:36:42,582 --> 00:36:43,082 Very subtle. 852 00:36:50,592 --> 00:36:55,107 It gives you this rolling but unsettled macro environment right now. 853 00:36:55,123 --> 00:36:56,981 I'm telling you, you can hear Charles Lloyd playing this song. 854 00:36:57,162 --> 00:36:57,207 Yeah. 855 00:36:57,207 --> 00:37:00,687 You know what I mean? Just this soulful, uneasy but- 856 00:37:00,702 --> 00:37:01,272 Yeah. 857 00:37:06,643 --> 00:37:06,882 Ooh. 858 00:37:07,362 --> 00:37:09,177 It's a Radiohead song. We've got to have a whole different part. 859 00:37:09,222 --> 00:37:09,612 Breakdown. 860 00:37:09,732 --> 00:37:09,972 Yeah. 861 00:37:11,367 --> 00:37:12,432 Write down or break apart. 862 00:37:16,362 --> 00:37:19,512 Let's hook. This is all totally dry. 863 00:38:00,672 --> 00:38:03,462 Damn. Woo. 864 00:38:06,027 --> 00:38:10,422 There's at least two different angles on how that whole section, you could feel the 865 00:38:10,482 --> 00:38:13,873 time, and then when the drums came back in, it totally reset it. 866 00:38:16,032 --> 00:38:16,752 I'm telling you, man, 867 00:38:18,012 --> 00:38:20,802 every song on this one, one after the other. 868 00:38:20,893 --> 00:38:24,942 This next song, "House of Cards," had a Grammy nomination for Best Rock 869 00:38:24,972 --> 00:38:28,242 Performance, Best Rock Song, Best Short Form Music Video. 870 00:39:05,202 --> 00:39:08,771 Sam, we need to use more reverb variations when we do our tracks here. 871 00:39:08,802 --> 00:39:09,327 You know what I mean? 872 00:39:09,342 --> 00:39:09,927 These are extreme, man. Yeah. 873 00:39:09,972 --> 00:39:11,712 To have totally dry drums- 874 00:39:11,922 --> 00:39:12,072 Yeah 875 00:39:12,087 --> 00:39:13,152 ... and then one haunting voice. 876 00:39:13,167 --> 00:39:14,457 It's very rare that you feel that much. 877 00:39:14,487 --> 00:39:14,922 It's so cool. 878 00:39:14,952 --> 00:39:15,101 Yeah. 879 00:39:15,162 --> 00:39:16,752 It's usually like 20% deep. 880 00:39:19,647 --> 00:39:22,512 That doesn't introduce until 881 00:39:24,432 --> 00:39:24,792 later. 882 00:39:25,873 --> 00:39:27,147 No, still 55 seconds. 883 00:39:27,432 --> 00:39:27,447 Oh. 884 00:39:27,462 --> 00:39:28,902 He's right in that 50-second mark. 885 00:39:29,052 --> 00:39:30,373 Oh, he's still. Oh, I thought it was more than a minute. 886 00:39:31,107 --> 00:39:33,117 No. That's when Thom Yorke joins the party, about a minute in. 887 00:39:51,402 --> 00:39:55,572 That little rattle percussion, it's almost like the classical percussion. 888 00:39:57,042 --> 00:39:57,702 What is that called? 889 00:40:04,452 --> 00:40:14,893 How's 890 00:40:14,996 --> 00:40:21,582 the 891 00:40:25,512 --> 00:40:26,442 music video for this? 892 00:40:28,482 --> 00:40:30,057 Well, this is past your music video days. 893 00:40:30,132 --> 00:40:31,677 This is past my music video days. 894 00:40:31,722 --> 00:40:31,768 Okay. 895 00:40:31,768 --> 00:40:32,337 Yeah, I'm sure it's awesome. 896 00:40:32,352 --> 00:40:33,507 You didn't watch your MTV anymore then? 897 00:40:33,643 --> 00:40:37,602 No. Actually, like I said, man, I was 30. 898 00:40:37,662 --> 00:40:40,812 I was married and getting ready to have kids during this time. 899 00:40:40,873 --> 00:40:41,037 Oh, wow. 900 00:40:41,052 --> 00:40:42,222 And I was on the road a lot, too- 901 00:40:42,373 --> 00:40:42,447 Yeah 902 00:40:42,822 --> 00:40:48,373 ... at this time. So I actually kind of let go of my fandom for a lot of things 903 00:40:48,402 --> 00:40:48,762 during that time. 904 00:40:48,822 --> 00:40:48,897 Wow. 905 00:40:48,897 --> 00:40:50,817 You know how it goes. It's like you kind of went deep. 906 00:40:50,817 --> 00:40:51,492 It goes deep, man. It's deep. 907 00:40:51,643 --> 00:40:52,482 I'm back now. 908 00:40:53,172 --> 00:40:53,937 Really? I think you're back. 909 00:40:53,967 --> 00:40:56,112 The kids are teenagers now, so I'm totally back. 910 00:40:56,172 --> 00:40:57,416 They kind of pulled you back, too, a little bit, right? Yeah. 911 00:40:57,462 --> 00:41:02,757 They did. Actually, my daughter, last summer, gave a PowerPoint presentation for 912 00:41:02,772 --> 00:41:08,262 the family and some of our friends on every Radiohead album ranked, and it took 913 00:41:08,322 --> 00:41:10,873 everything in my being not to sob through all of it- 914 00:41:10,962 --> 00:41:11,442 Of course 915 00:41:11,742 --> 00:41:14,292 ... because she put Kid A number one. 916 00:41:15,792 --> 00:41:15,807 Cool. 917 00:41:15,822 --> 00:41:16,197 And without- 918 00:41:16,272 --> 00:41:17,352 I'm surprised you could even get that out 919 00:41:17,382 --> 00:41:19,032 ... and without me influencing her. 920 00:41:19,123 --> 00:41:23,412 I had no idea that she was going to do that, or she was that even into this band, 921 00:41:23,442 --> 00:41:27,027 and I was like, "I love you so much." So we're the same person. 922 00:41:27,132 --> 00:41:28,287 Rewriting your will as she- 923 00:41:28,362 --> 00:41:28,602 I know. 924 00:41:29,832 --> 00:41:31,152 She gets everything. Thom Yorke gets everything. 925 00:41:31,317 --> 00:41:31,812 That's awesome. 926 00:41:31,902 --> 00:41:35,352 All right. The next track, "Jigsaw Falling into Place," this incredible track. 927 00:41:35,382 --> 00:41:40,032 This was the lead single off this album. Came to number 30 in the UK charts. 928 00:41:40,572 --> 00:41:41,712 Didn't get anywhere in the US. 929 00:41:43,182 --> 00:41:43,752 Interesting. 930 00:41:47,832 --> 00:41:49,332 Charts were fiddly by this time. 931 00:41:49,512 --> 00:41:52,242 Charts, man, charts are next to zero by... 932 00:41:57,717 --> 00:41:58,572 How many seconds? 933 00:41:59,682 --> 00:42:02,742 We're at 23 right now. We'll see how long it takes. 934 00:42:08,172 --> 00:42:13,572 It is such a vibe, though, to come in, to have that as part of their 935 00:42:13,632 --> 00:42:14,322 style. 936 00:42:50,862 --> 00:43:18,101 Who's 937 00:43:18,132 --> 00:43:18,552 that singing? 938 00:43:18,912 --> 00:43:20,937 That's Thom Yorke. That is Thom Yorke singing. 939 00:43:20,952 --> 00:43:22,031 Dude, his range is ridiculous. 940 00:43:22,062 --> 00:43:23,112 That's crazy, man. 941 00:43:24,942 --> 00:43:26,907 He so often sings in his falsetto- 942 00:43:26,982 --> 00:43:27,192 Yeah 943 00:43:27,912 --> 00:43:30,147 ... that when he goes down that low, it's like, "What the f**k?" 944 00:43:34,452 --> 00:43:35,067 Man, this is 945 00:43:37,152 --> 00:43:38,022 not a rock band. 946 00:43:38,502 --> 00:43:38,682 Yeah. 947 00:43:38,952 --> 00:43:39,147 Is it? 948 00:43:39,252 --> 00:43:40,842 Art rock is what we landed on before. 949 00:43:40,873 --> 00:43:41,682 Art rock. Did we say that? Okay. 950 00:43:41,802 --> 00:43:42,643 Yeah, but I don't know, man. 951 00:43:42,972 --> 00:43:46,032 There should be... I know you hate genres, famously. 952 00:43:46,062 --> 00:43:46,482 Famously. 953 00:43:46,752 --> 00:43:51,897 But I guess art rock makes... That always has a certain level of pretension 954 00:43:51,942 --> 00:43:53,652 whenever you say art something. 955 00:43:53,712 --> 00:43:55,047 Yeah. I think there's a level. 956 00:43:55,062 --> 00:43:57,522 No one would ever say art classical or art jazz. 957 00:43:57,582 --> 00:43:57,702 No. 958 00:43:57,822 --> 00:43:59,022 Because they're already hoity-toity. 959 00:43:59,052 --> 00:44:01,932 But they would call jazz and classical art music. 960 00:44:01,962 --> 00:44:02,742 I know. I don't like that. 961 00:44:03,042 --> 00:44:03,282 Yeah. 962 00:44:03,552 --> 00:44:05,697 Because it's like art music and folk music. 963 00:44:05,802 --> 00:44:06,252 Totally. 964 00:44:06,702 --> 00:44:10,077 Ignorant folk music and highbrow classical. 965 00:44:10,077 --> 00:44:10,302 High class. 966 00:44:11,143 --> 00:44:11,157 It is. 967 00:44:11,157 --> 00:44:13,782 "We know what we're doing. We've got a take on things." 968 00:44:14,052 --> 00:44:17,082 But I think in this, yeah, there's like an implication of 969 00:44:18,702 --> 00:44:21,792 thoughtful rock and roll. 970 00:44:22,662 --> 00:44:27,582 All right. The last track on the album is the closer, and Thom Yorke called this 971 00:44:27,762 --> 00:44:28,752 absolute agony. 972 00:44:28,827 --> 00:44:29,327 Yeah. 973 00:44:28,887 --> 00:44:32,382 He built it on a fast four-to-the-floor pulse, then came back to find Jonny and 974 00:44:32,412 --> 00:44:34,721 Godrich had stripped it bare bones, reduced him to tears. 975 00:44:34,812 --> 00:44:35,487 Come on, guys. 976 00:44:36,012 --> 00:44:40,752 Hospital Studio, December 2006, the first moment he'd felt that they got something. 977 00:44:41,022 --> 00:44:41,727 What's hospital studio? 978 00:44:41,952 --> 00:44:42,643 I don't know. 979 00:44:42,732 --> 00:44:43,032 Okay. 980 00:44:45,132 --> 00:44:46,752 Was he that bad that they put him in the hospital? 981 00:44:48,222 --> 00:44:49,662 Four on the floor, AMS. 982 00:44:51,342 --> 00:44:53,802 This is such a beautiful closing track on the album, though, Peter. 983 00:44:53,922 --> 00:44:54,643 This is like a piano song. 984 00:44:54,732 --> 00:44:55,722 Just gorgeous, man. 985 00:45:33,342 --> 00:45:33,882 His, 986 00:45:47,982 --> 00:45:50,292 Thom Yorke's intonation is so- 987 00:45:51,882 --> 00:45:57,192 Great. But there's times when he's not, and it's got to be intentional because you 988 00:45:57,222 --> 00:46:02,562 can tell he can control, and so it gives it such a kind of unaffected 989 00:46:02,623 --> 00:46:04,212 humanity, I think, to it. 990 00:46:04,272 --> 00:46:04,482 Yeah. 991 00:46:05,742 --> 00:46:10,393 Certain notes are just stunningly in tune, but others are not. 992 00:46:10,542 --> 00:46:10,902 Yeah. 993 00:46:10,947 --> 00:46:11,607 And I think it's 994 00:46:12,822 --> 00:46:17,727 a great thing to- Obviously, we're in this days of Auto-Tune, but they had it at 995 00:46:17,742 --> 00:46:18,762 that time, too. 996 00:46:18,822 --> 00:46:18,987 Yeah. 997 00:46:19,542 --> 00:46:22,393 This was the way it was on purpose, right? 998 00:46:22,842 --> 00:46:25,932 I got some flack last time when we did Kid A when I said that- 999 00:46:25,992 --> 00:46:26,952 You read the comments still, man? 1000 00:46:27,102 --> 00:46:27,192 No. 1001 00:46:27,342 --> 00:46:27,612 I don't read the comments. 1002 00:46:28,032 --> 00:46:33,312 My wife told me. No, but I mentioned that I don't think Thom Yorke's a great 1003 00:46:33,402 --> 00:46:33,761 singer. 1004 00:46:33,777 --> 00:46:34,277 Yeah. 1005 00:46:33,822 --> 00:46:36,162 Like in the way that Luther Vandross was a great singer. 1006 00:46:36,222 --> 00:46:36,373 Right. 1007 00:46:36,522 --> 00:46:37,902 Has all this control. 1008 00:46:37,917 --> 00:46:38,127 Which is flawed. Yeah. 1009 00:46:38,127 --> 00:46:39,237 Flawless tone. 1010 00:46:39,237 --> 00:46:40,422 But he does have a lot of control. 1011 00:46:40,496 --> 00:46:41,472 But he does have control. 1012 00:46:41,516 --> 00:46:42,016 Yeah. 1013 00:46:42,282 --> 00:46:44,412 He's not a great singer, but he's a great vocalist. 1014 00:46:44,472 --> 00:46:44,982 He is. 1015 00:46:45,072 --> 00:46:48,492 He is an incredible artist, and he does actually have great control. 1016 00:46:48,643 --> 00:46:52,692 I think what is so special about his voice is the vulnerability to it. 1017 00:46:52,752 --> 00:46:52,812 Yes. 1018 00:46:52,932 --> 00:46:54,732 Or the fact that it's not this perfectly- 1019 00:46:54,822 --> 00:46:54,912 No 1020 00:46:55,002 --> 00:46:57,536 ... manicured vocal performance that is like- 1021 00:46:57,552 --> 00:46:59,922 He has a lot of control over it, very unique. 1022 00:47:00,162 --> 00:47:06,147 It's like a beautiful... It's not a Lamborghini or a Ferrari, but 1023 00:47:06,162 --> 00:47:10,002 it's something else. It's a beautiful vehicle that's unique. 1024 00:47:10,092 --> 00:47:10,212 Yeah. 1025 00:47:10,512 --> 00:47:13,677 And that the driver- Because vocalists, they're not like pianists where we're 1026 00:47:13,722 --> 00:47:16,393 like, "Oh, I got a great note instrument." They're like, "This is my instrument." 1027 00:47:16,572 --> 00:47:16,782 Yeah. 1028 00:47:16,812 --> 00:47:19,602 And so how do you get dialed in on your own instrument? 1029 00:47:19,692 --> 00:47:22,812 I think his level of dialed in is pretty much 100. 1030 00:47:22,873 --> 00:47:26,592 Yeah, and also he just has a really cool instrument. You mentioned the range. 1031 00:47:26,652 --> 00:47:26,787 Yeah. 1032 00:47:27,222 --> 00:47:32,052 When he's low in that song before, he pulls that gear out sometimes, and then he 1033 00:47:32,112 --> 00:47:34,482 can sing in this sort of like whale- 1034 00:47:34,842 --> 00:47:34,962 Yeah 1035 00:47:34,992 --> 00:47:36,822 ... falsetto almost, like mixed voice almost. 1036 00:47:36,942 --> 00:47:38,592 I see what you mean, the whale. "Weird Fishes." 1037 00:47:38,922 --> 00:47:40,302 Whales. "Weird Fishes." 1038 00:47:42,102 --> 00:47:42,552 Oh. 1039 00:47:42,672 --> 00:47:43,182 There it is. 1040 00:47:43,602 --> 00:47:45,192 If you stay in the end, that's what you get. 1041 00:47:45,252 --> 00:47:49,242 Okay, so reaction to In Rainbows post Kid A. 1042 00:47:49,692 --> 00:47:51,462 Wait, this was In Rainbows? I thought we were listening to Kid A. 1043 00:47:51,552 --> 00:47:54,837 I got confused again. What, so you can't- No, this is OK Computer, right? 1044 00:47:54,882 --> 00:47:55,242 Doggone it. 1045 00:47:55,662 --> 00:47:59,592 You know what my reaction is? That piano, Robert Glasper or was that Brad Mehldau? 1046 00:47:59,712 --> 00:48:01,302 Who was playing piano on that last bit? 1047 00:48:02,397 --> 00:48:02,897 Eh, maybe. 1048 00:48:02,412 --> 00:48:05,292 No, I would say, I think, 1049 00:48:07,482 --> 00:48:11,562 man, I love what I just heard, and I want to dig in deeper to this. 1050 00:48:11,742 --> 00:48:15,552 I think I will go back and listen to this a little bit more than Kid A, actually. 1051 00:48:15,942 --> 00:48:19,393 You're like a millennial. Well, I feel like Kid A is great. 1052 00:48:19,452 --> 00:48:25,032 This is a much more even, some people might say much smaller range album. 1053 00:48:25,152 --> 00:48:25,272 Yeah. 1054 00:48:25,332 --> 00:48:30,417 But to me, this felt like, look, and we appreciate you guys listening to my 1055 00:48:30,462 --> 00:48:31,482 ignorant drivel about this. 1056 00:48:31,512 --> 00:48:33,897 Man, I love these episodes. 1057 00:48:33,987 --> 00:48:34,487 Right. 1058 00:48:34,123 --> 00:48:35,607 I love hearing your takes on these things- 1059 00:48:35,652 --> 00:48:35,667 Right 1060 00:48:35,667 --> 00:48:37,018 ... from a very fresh perspective. 1061 00:48:37,692 --> 00:48:37,768 Love you, too, man. 1062 00:48:37,768 --> 00:48:38,322 You know what I mean? 1063 00:48:38,382 --> 00:48:38,742 Yeah. 1064 00:48:38,802 --> 00:48:39,672 It's great. 1065 00:48:39,702 --> 00:48:44,337 No, but I think that we're not giving it, I'm thinking even as I go, the fact that 1066 00:48:44,352 --> 00:48:47,742 I want to go back and just sit and listen to this and vibe out on this. 1067 00:48:47,832 --> 00:48:48,207 Yeah. 1068 00:48:48,672 --> 00:48:52,317 This felt like, and I'm not doing it total justice because I feel like until you do 1069 00:48:52,393 --> 00:48:55,602 that, you don't really know. But it's kind of like when you sample something, 1070 00:48:55,617 --> 00:48:57,522 you're like, "Oh." It's like previews to a movie. 1071 00:48:57,612 --> 00:49:01,512 You don't really know, and sometimes, especially for comedies, you're like, "Oh, 1072 00:49:01,572 --> 00:49:03,807 that's so funny." You're laughing and then you're like, "Wait, are those the only 1073 00:49:03,852 --> 00:49:05,352 good jokes that are going to be in the movie? 1074 00:49:05,562 --> 00:49:07,452 Did I just see it?" It's a lot on Netflix. 1075 00:49:07,572 --> 00:49:07,692 Yeah. 1076 00:49:08,742 --> 00:49:11,832 But with this, I feel like I want to get the transitions. 1077 00:49:12,132 --> 00:49:14,652 We don't have time or the legal license to do that here. 1078 00:49:14,682 --> 00:49:15,102 No, we do not. 1079 00:49:15,162 --> 00:49:20,143 But this makes me want to feel the transitions from this, to feel the balance and 1080 00:49:20,172 --> 00:49:23,502 the journey, which I definitely got some, and as you guiding through, it was great. 1081 00:49:23,893 --> 00:49:27,552 And so I think that from beginning to end, I would prefer this. 1082 00:49:28,752 --> 00:49:31,302 But I'm a little nervous as I say this. Don't hate me. 1083 00:49:31,362 --> 00:49:33,522 No, you're with the majority. 1084 00:49:33,686 --> 00:49:34,186 Oh. 1085 00:49:33,702 --> 00:49:35,893 You're with the majority of people who prefer this to any other Radiohead. 1086 00:49:35,952 --> 00:49:36,643 Oh, I'm a sellout. 1087 00:49:36,702 --> 00:49:38,502 Yeah. You're a sellout. You're very commercial. 1088 00:49:38,862 --> 00:49:40,662 What does Brad Mehldau think? What's his favorite? 1089 00:49:40,962 --> 00:49:42,882 Brad loves OK Computer. You just know he does. 1090 00:49:42,912 --> 00:49:43,752 What about Robert Glasper? 1091 00:49:44,022 --> 00:49:46,152 Glasper loves Kid A. I'm just telling you. 1092 00:49:46,212 --> 00:49:48,972 There was a video that was going around the internet recently. 1093 00:49:49,032 --> 00:49:51,567 I don't know if you saw it, of Robert Glasper playing "Everything in Its Right 1094 00:49:51,612 --> 00:49:51,627 Place." 1095 00:49:51,627 --> 00:49:52,947 Oh, I saw. It was fed to me everywhere I went. 1096 00:49:53,262 --> 00:49:54,057 He's teary-eyed in that video. 1097 00:49:54,102 --> 00:49:55,092 Yeah, in Paris. 1098 00:49:55,182 --> 00:49:56,367 And it was so powerful there. 1099 00:49:56,367 --> 00:49:59,652 During the heatwave. Yeah. It's a great version. What about Adam Maness? 1100 00:49:59,682 --> 00:50:03,312 What does Adam Maness say? Can you give me a stack ranking of those three at least? 1101 00:50:03,552 --> 00:50:04,197 I know you mentioned- 1102 00:50:04,332 --> 00:50:04,512 Okay 1103 00:50:04,526 --> 00:50:05,817 ... the two after this you didn't prefer. 1104 00:50:05,832 --> 00:50:08,893 Well, let's talk about the run. So for me, there's a Radiohead run. 1105 00:50:08,922 --> 00:50:13,152 They have Pablo Honey and they have The Bends, which are their first two albums, 1106 00:50:13,182 --> 00:50:17,382 and actually their biggest hit, "Creep," is from that first album. 1107 00:50:17,412 --> 00:50:19,873 But to me, they hit their artistic stride with OK Computer. 1108 00:50:20,186 --> 00:50:20,307 And then- 1109 00:50:20,322 --> 00:50:22,962 Did we do the joke? Who was the comedian that did the "Creep" joke? 1110 00:50:23,232 --> 00:50:24,192 Did we cover that last time? 1111 00:50:24,252 --> 00:50:24,266 Yeah. 1112 00:50:24,282 --> 00:50:24,312 Okay. 1113 00:50:24,327 --> 00:50:28,332 With Joe O'Neill. Yeah. White people love "Creep." The "Eh-nih. 1114 00:50:28,346 --> 00:50:33,012 Eh-nih." Yeah, you got to check it out. It's great. No, so 1997 is OK Computer. 1115 00:50:33,072 --> 00:50:33,432 Yeah. 1116 00:50:33,522 --> 00:50:37,302 And then from there, they're on a run until this album. 1117 00:50:37,332 --> 00:50:41,802 And like I said, I like The King of Limbs, I like A Moon Shaped Pool, but I think that 1118 00:50:41,862 --> 00:50:47,022 run between, that's really just OK Computer, Kid A, Amnesiac, Hail to the Thief, 1119 00:50:47,682 --> 00:50:49,707 and In Rainbows. And then I'm also going to throw in- 1120 00:50:49,722 --> 00:50:51,312 That's pretty cool. You're talking about 10 years. 1121 00:50:51,373 --> 00:50:51,702 10 years. 1122 00:50:51,762 --> 00:50:52,362 Five albums. 1123 00:50:52,482 --> 00:50:54,807 Yeah. And I'm going to throw in Thom Yorke's solo album- 1124 00:50:54,942 --> 00:50:54,957 I love it 1125 00:50:54,957 --> 00:50:56,862 ... The Eraser, which I'll play a little bit of it here. 1126 00:50:56,893 --> 00:50:58,123 Was that later? Wasn't that after this? 1127 00:50:58,212 --> 00:51:00,072 That was 2006, The Eraser. 1128 00:51:00,582 --> 00:51:01,212 Oh, it was right before. 1129 00:51:01,302 --> 00:51:02,231 Right before this. 1130 00:51:02,322 --> 00:51:03,356 Oh, wow, okay. I got to check that out. 1131 00:51:03,402 --> 00:51:06,387 So yeah, actually that's what's my up next Radiohead run. 1132 00:51:06,387 --> 00:51:08,623 That was a great, when we talk about other classic periods- 1133 00:51:08,772 --> 00:51:09,072 Oh, yeah 1134 00:51:09,282 --> 00:51:12,552 ... that's such a great output. Even though I know that there's some tortured, like 1135 00:51:12,582 --> 00:51:18,492 they were sitting in the ramshackle English manor house for months on end 1136 00:51:18,522 --> 00:51:20,472 and stuff. But if you look at the 1137 00:51:21,913 --> 00:51:25,557 Yeah. Well, think about it. This is the end of that period. 1138 00:51:25,722 --> 00:51:25,842 Yeah. 1139 00:51:25,932 --> 00:51:28,842 The last album of that period, and this is their most popular album afterwards. 1140 00:51:28,932 --> 00:51:33,582 Which is like, we've covered Steely Dan, right? Gaucho. 1141 00:51:33,748 --> 00:51:34,248 Yeah. 1142 00:51:33,748 --> 00:51:36,822 Which was their sort of last album until 20 years later. 1143 00:51:36,883 --> 00:51:36,987 Yeah. 1144 00:51:37,362 --> 00:51:39,853 And that was the end of a sort of 10-year run from them. 1145 00:51:40,197 --> 00:51:40,697 Yeah. 1146 00:51:40,242 --> 00:51:41,952 We've covered people like Miles Davis. 1147 00:51:42,133 --> 00:51:42,147 Right. 1148 00:51:42,672 --> 00:51:45,883 We've talked about Miles, and he's got this electric era and the 80s era. 1149 00:51:46,182 --> 00:51:49,272 But from '57 to like '67- 1150 00:51:49,392 --> 00:51:49,572 Right 1151 00:51:49,587 --> 00:51:50,397 ... when you think of Miles- 1152 00:51:50,413 --> 00:51:50,982 Prestige to Columbia 1153 00:51:51,012 --> 00:51:51,867 ... you're thinking of that. 1154 00:51:51,942 --> 00:51:52,016 Yeah 1155 00:51:52,362 --> 00:51:53,592 A lot of people are thinking of that. 1156 00:51:53,652 --> 00:51:55,436 But I know people love Bitches Brew and On the Corner. 1157 00:51:55,467 --> 00:51:55,967 Right. 1158 00:51:55,542 --> 00:52:00,552 I love that stuff, too. But I think most culturally, we think of Miles in that late 1159 00:52:00,642 --> 00:52:00,867 50s, 60s period. 1160 00:52:00,913 --> 00:52:06,297 We could do like a stack ranking or tier list of classic periods. 1161 00:52:06,297 --> 00:52:07,062 Classic runs? 1162 00:52:07,302 --> 00:52:07,902 Yeah. Stevie- 1163 00:52:08,022 --> 00:52:08,322 Stevie 1164 00:52:08,353 --> 00:52:08,878 ... Miles- 1165 00:52:08,982 --> 00:52:09,057 Yeah 1166 00:52:09,133 --> 00:52:09,732 ... Radiohead. 1167 00:52:09,792 --> 00:52:10,317 I mean, think about- 1168 00:52:10,332 --> 00:52:10,856 Coltrane 1169 00:52:11,202 --> 00:52:11,832 ... Herbie. 1170 00:52:11,892 --> 00:52:12,087 Herbie. 1171 00:52:12,087 --> 00:52:12,642 Herbie's got a couple. 1172 00:52:12,927 --> 00:52:13,427 Right. 1173 00:52:12,942 --> 00:52:17,383 Stevie's run, right? Music of My Mind, or maybe the album previous to that. 1174 00:52:17,413 --> 00:52:18,103 What was that one called? 1175 00:52:18,192 --> 00:52:19,272 Fulfillingness' First Finale. 1176 00:52:19,332 --> 00:52:20,906 No, that was after. 1177 00:52:21,432 --> 00:52:22,301 Oh. Music of My Mind. 1178 00:52:22,481 --> 00:52:25,197 Music of My Mind was the first one that was considered- 1179 00:52:25,302 --> 00:52:25,542 Yeah. Oh 1180 00:52:25,557 --> 00:52:26,307 ... the TONTO period. 1181 00:52:26,353 --> 00:52:27,101 It was the one before. 1182 00:52:27,133 --> 00:52:29,652 It was his last Blue Note album before the TONTO period. 1183 00:52:29,802 --> 00:52:29,816 Right. 1184 00:52:29,816 --> 00:52:31,722 Put it in the comments. We talked about it, and now I'm spacing. 1185 00:52:31,992 --> 00:52:33,732 But Music of My Mind up until when? 1186 00:52:34,302 --> 00:52:35,623 as far as I can keep alive. 1187 00:52:35,922 --> 00:52:36,702 '76? 1188 00:52:36,853 --> 00:52:36,972 Yeah. 1189 00:52:37,242 --> 00:52:40,152 Six years? You don't think Hotter Than July and Secret Life of Plants? 1190 00:52:40,182 --> 00:52:41,742 That's definitely not the classic. You talking about the classic period? 1191 00:52:41,802 --> 00:52:44,772 I'm talking about a run, because he was still on a run after the classic period. 1192 00:52:44,847 --> 00:52:48,072 Yeah, but there was a break there. You know what I mean? 1193 00:52:48,327 --> 00:52:50,503 And I think that maybe 1194 00:52:51,822 --> 00:52:55,797 Thom Yorke and the boys would look at this differently, be like, "No, this is not 1195 00:52:55,842 --> 00:52:58,603 how we were thinking about it." But sometimes other people are better objectively 1196 00:52:58,633 --> 00:53:03,853 to, you kind of have this demarcation point from '97 to '07 based on the albums, 1197 00:53:03,913 --> 00:53:06,942 and not only your love for them, but kind of the lineage of it. 1198 00:53:07,032 --> 00:53:07,527 Yeah. 1199 00:53:07,527 --> 00:53:11,128 And so they are somewhat arbitrary, but once you've had some space to look back 1200 00:53:11,142 --> 00:53:13,092 artistically and what the flow... 1201 00:53:13,137 --> 00:53:16,092 Because there's other stuff in terms of 1202 00:53:17,322 --> 00:53:18,972 sometimes the instrumentation and what. 1203 00:53:19,062 --> 00:53:21,133 Because Stevie had that whole period where he was playing everything. 1204 00:53:21,312 --> 00:53:21,432 Yeah. 1205 00:53:21,462 --> 00:53:23,772 And he did that some, and then everything changed. 1206 00:53:23,952 --> 00:53:24,342 Yeah. 1207 00:53:24,522 --> 00:53:25,228 Stevie stayed the same. 1208 00:53:25,392 --> 00:53:26,487 Stevie stayed the same, but everything changed. 1209 00:53:26,562 --> 00:53:29,532 And I think also there's a cultural thing where you kind of age out- 1210 00:53:29,802 --> 00:53:30,072 Yeah 1211 00:53:30,087 --> 00:53:32,921 ... a little bit. They're still in their 30s here. You know what I mean? 1212 00:53:32,952 --> 00:53:35,952 And isn't there a thing, we could say this for anybody, but we're talking about 1213 00:53:36,042 --> 00:53:40,421 Radiohead here, too, where you have the presence of mind. 1214 00:53:40,482 --> 00:53:42,387 You're not only great musicians, but you 1215 00:53:44,052 --> 00:53:47,562 made a great important rock band, one of the most important of all time. 1216 00:53:47,623 --> 00:53:48,133 You know what I mean? 1217 00:53:48,192 --> 00:53:48,237 Yeah. 1218 00:53:48,312 --> 00:53:51,027 The fact that you could even be like, "This is our Revolver." I don't even know 1219 00:53:51,042 --> 00:53:54,072 these guys. I don't know how cocky they are, but I don't think they're too cocky to 1220 00:53:54,103 --> 00:53:54,672 say that. 1221 00:53:54,762 --> 00:53:55,512 Yeah. 1222 00:53:55,873 --> 00:53:57,462 Or they're cocky enough to say that. 1223 00:53:57,478 --> 00:53:58,272 But the idea- 1224 00:53:58,392 --> 00:53:59,442 I think they're appropriately cocky. 1225 00:53:59,503 --> 00:53:59,998 Yeah, all right. 1226 00:54:00,012 --> 00:54:00,552 If I had to guess. 1227 00:54:00,672 --> 00:54:05,322 Right. But the fact that I'm sure at this same point, they could look back a couple 1228 00:54:05,383 --> 00:54:09,462 years after this record and be like, "Damn, we made some stuff." 1229 00:54:09,492 --> 00:54:11,112 You made some good stuff. 1230 00:54:11,172 --> 00:54:13,663 This isn't some one-hit wonders. It wasn't even a lot of hits. 1231 00:54:13,692 --> 00:54:13,992 It would be- 1232 00:54:14,052 --> 00:54:16,272 But it was a lot of important albums, right? 1233 00:54:16,332 --> 00:54:19,003 How much fun would it be to do a classic run episode? We should do that. 1234 00:54:19,047 --> 00:54:19,547 Yeah. 1235 00:54:19,062 --> 00:54:20,081 Because think about The Beatles. 1236 00:54:20,112 --> 00:54:20,728 Beethoven. I thought of Beethoven. 1237 00:54:21,312 --> 00:54:22,873 Beatles, '63, '64. 1238 00:54:22,932 --> 00:54:23,082 Yeah. 1239 00:54:23,277 --> 00:54:23,832 '70? 1240 00:54:23,862 --> 00:54:24,117 Yep. 1241 00:54:24,133 --> 00:54:26,038 That's it. They're not even a band anymore. 1242 00:54:26,082 --> 00:54:27,253 Can't say their name. We can 1243 00:54:48,894 --> 00:54:49,824 Hey. 1244 00:54:50,199 --> 00:54:51,099 Peter, you're so cool, man. 1245 00:54:51,144 --> 00:54:52,269 Should we do some categories real quick? 1246 00:54:52,375 --> 00:54:52,900 Oh, damn. I'm sorry. 1247 00:54:52,900 --> 00:54:55,824 "Desert Island." What's your apex moment/desert island? 1248 00:54:56,035 --> 00:54:56,859 I got "Weird Fishes"- 1249 00:54:56,888 --> 00:54:57,009 You go first 1250 00:54:57,009 --> 00:54:58,914 ... for my desert island track. 1251 00:54:59,214 --> 00:55:02,003 I like "Weird Fishes." I'm going to be really following your lead on this. 1252 00:55:02,035 --> 00:55:02,844 I like that "Reckoner." 1253 00:55:03,309 --> 00:55:03,459 "Reckoner." 1254 00:55:03,714 --> 00:55:04,629 That was f*****g- 1255 00:55:04,660 --> 00:55:05,065 Amazing, man 1256 00:55:05,094 --> 00:55:09,954 ... I mean, even if I hadn't seen this described as growing out of a loose group 1257 00:55:10,014 --> 00:55:12,354 jam, that was immediately the feel and the vibe. 1258 00:55:12,383 --> 00:55:12,400 So good. 1259 00:55:12,414 --> 00:55:16,584 And that was a nice little pattern interrupter, not so much with the sound or the 1260 00:55:16,674 --> 00:55:18,684 vibe, but with the approach. 1261 00:55:18,834 --> 00:55:18,924 Yeah. 1262 00:55:18,984 --> 00:55:19,209 You know? 1263 00:55:19,375 --> 00:55:22,764 Yeah. Quibblets. I have "It Was Too Expensive." 1264 00:55:23,574 --> 00:55:24,324 Was it expensive? 1265 00:55:24,444 --> 00:55:25,463 No, it was pay what you want. 1266 00:55:25,734 --> 00:55:27,129 Oh, I thought you meant the production of it. 1267 00:55:27,954 --> 00:55:28,525 It was a joke. 1268 00:55:28,824 --> 00:55:32,155 That was good. I love jokes that have to be explained. Thank you. Accoutrements. 1269 00:55:33,144 --> 00:55:34,359 I wouldn't know. I wasn't there. 1270 00:55:34,375 --> 00:55:35,604 It was an iPod V2. 1271 00:55:37,988 --> 00:55:39,204 Okay. Is this their best album? 1272 00:55:39,535 --> 00:55:41,875 No, I'm going to say for me, Kid A. 1273 00:55:41,964 --> 00:55:43,134 Really? Yeah, okay. 1274 00:55:43,164 --> 00:55:43,644 There you go. 1275 00:55:43,704 --> 00:55:45,684 Okay, this will be a good one. Snobbometer. 1276 00:55:45,729 --> 00:55:45,984 Five. 1277 00:55:46,285 --> 00:55:48,309 Man, you used to hate the five, and now you're dialed in on the five. 1278 00:55:48,309 --> 00:55:50,650 I'm bought into the five. I'm dialed in. 1279 00:55:50,694 --> 00:55:51,054 I mean, I- 1280 00:55:51,099 --> 00:55:51,864 I'm locked in on five 1281 00:55:51,924 --> 00:55:56,334 ... I feel like Radiohead is always... Wait, 10 is more snobby, right? 1282 00:55:56,394 --> 00:55:56,514 Yeah. 1283 00:55:57,114 --> 00:56:00,025 I feel like anything Radiohead has to at least be a six. 1284 00:56:00,144 --> 00:56:00,459 I kind of agree. 1285 00:56:00,459 --> 00:56:01,254 I'm going to go seven. 1286 00:56:01,315 --> 00:56:02,724 But it sold three million copies. 1287 00:56:02,994 --> 00:56:05,859 Dude, Robert Glasper. Brad Mehldau did it. And Adam Maness. 1288 00:56:05,934 --> 00:56:05,948 All right. 1289 00:56:05,964 --> 00:56:07,704 That's the trifecta of snobbiness. 1290 00:56:07,914 --> 00:56:08,049 All right. 1291 00:56:08,094 --> 00:56:12,655 And Ethan Iverson, I'm sure. And Allen Iverson happens to love Radiohead. 1292 00:56:13,344 --> 00:56:19,315 Fun fact. Hey, come on the show. Up next, I have that 2006 Thom Yorke solo album 1293 00:56:19,344 --> 00:56:22,104 that I mentioned called The Eraser. This is Atoms for Peace. 1294 00:56:22,344 --> 00:56:22,359 Ooh. 1295 00:56:22,359 --> 00:56:25,329 This is such a cool project. If you haven't checked out The Eraser, the whole 1296 00:56:25,375 --> 00:56:27,804 thing is beautiful. It's 2006. 1297 00:56:27,819 --> 00:56:28,319 Yeah. 1298 00:56:27,834 --> 00:56:28,614 How's it going to be up next? 1299 00:56:30,565 --> 00:56:31,344 You've heard it before. 1300 00:56:31,674 --> 00:56:31,780 Well- 1301 00:56:32,155 --> 00:56:32,829 You're going back in time now 1302 00:56:32,844 --> 00:56:33,594 ... it's weird with time travel. 1303 00:56:33,655 --> 00:56:34,134 That's true. 1304 00:56:34,164 --> 00:56:34,944 We have all of this. 1305 00:56:36,954 --> 00:56:40,690 But that's kind of what I was saying, when you have, forget about 20 years later, 1306 00:56:40,734 --> 00:56:44,155 even a couple of years later, you can look back and be like, "Oh." You start 1307 00:56:44,184 --> 00:56:47,155 explaining in a way that they didn't even know at the time. 1308 00:56:47,184 --> 00:56:49,074 It's like, "Oh, this makes sense that that led to that." 1309 00:56:49,329 --> 00:56:54,294 "No more going to the dark side with your flying saucer 1310 00:56:54,444 --> 00:56:56,304 eyes" 1311 00:56:56,454 --> 00:57:00,054 The other guys in Radiohead should have sued Thom Yorke for not calling this a 1312 00:57:00,084 --> 00:57:01,315 Radio... I can already tell where that's going. 1313 00:57:01,525 --> 00:57:04,854 Well, you can hear what Thom is into on that one. What do you think on next, Peter? 1314 00:57:04,914 --> 00:57:05,379 What are you putting next to this? 1315 00:57:05,424 --> 00:57:08,559 Oh, this might be controversial for reasons that- 1316 00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:09,864 I see what you're doing. I love it. 1317 00:57:09,879 --> 00:57:10,379 Kanye- 1318 00:57:09,879 --> 00:57:10,614 I love it. 1319 00:57:10,794 --> 00:57:11,304 2007. 1320 00:57:11,514 --> 00:57:11,754 I love it. 1321 00:57:11,785 --> 00:57:14,634 Kanye West. I'm not even going to say his name. 1322 00:57:14,650 --> 00:57:15,204 Graduation. 1323 00:57:15,294 --> 00:57:15,864 Such a good album. 1324 00:57:15,894 --> 00:57:16,614 That's a great album. 1325 00:57:16,644 --> 00:57:17,484 Such a great album. 1326 00:57:17,514 --> 00:57:18,744 Yeah, and that was the same year. 1327 00:57:19,974 --> 00:57:20,155 Who? 1328 00:57:20,454 --> 00:57:23,334 Kanye West. He was a different person in that time. 1329 00:57:23,514 --> 00:57:26,949 Man, I wish he was still that person so we could talk about some of that music 1330 00:57:26,994 --> 00:57:28,194 because it was so amazing. 1331 00:57:28,224 --> 00:57:32,334 And I think I wasn't listening to him a lot, but I remember that year. 1332 00:57:33,025 --> 00:57:37,914 Now I know, remember, it's 2007. I can even place it was like, "Yes." 1333 00:57:37,944 --> 00:57:41,065 Buddy, can we please do some more from this era? Can we do some Dilla beats? 1334 00:57:41,334 --> 00:57:41,994 Yeah.