WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:25.754 --> 00:00:27.044 Anke: Hello and welcome, Ruth. 00:00:27.594 --> 00:00:31.354 I'm like, I always say I'm super excited, but like, it's super true today. 00:00:33.014 --> 00:00:35.504 Ruth: Well, I am too, so that makes two of us, doesn't it? 00:00:35.934 --> 00:00:37.684 Thank you, Anke, for inviting me on. 00:00:38.384 --> 00:00:43.474 Anke: Oh yes, I, I just like, I, I just think we have like a real kind 00:00:43.474 --> 00:00:45.644 of treasure on our hands today. 00:00:45.914 --> 00:00:49.844 So before we go in there, uh, Ruth, why don't you share with 00:00:49.844 --> 00:00:53.214 people where you're based and So what's your business with dogs? 00:00:53.569 --> 00:00:57.889 Ruth: Yes, well, I am a whole energy body balance practitioner, which 00:00:57.949 --> 00:01:01.959 is a type of dog massage, which focuses on the connective tissue, 00:01:02.359 --> 00:01:06.139 uh, the neuro, uh, the neuro fascia, which is packed with nerve endings. 00:01:06.409 --> 00:01:10.929 Um, I learned that massage about four years ago, uh, and I've now 00:01:10.929 --> 00:01:14.449 been practicing for two years in my little canine cabin at the bottom 00:01:14.449 --> 00:01:17.294 of my tiny garden in a little town called Winchcombe in the Cotswolds 00:01:17.294 --> 00:01:19.719 in Gloucestershire in the UK. 00:01:20.049 --> 00:01:22.669 Uh, so that's what I do in terms of working with. 00:01:22.739 --> 00:01:23.269 Dogs. 00:01:23.539 --> 00:01:25.839 Uh, and it's absolutely fantastic. 00:01:25.899 --> 00:01:27.899 Um, I've always wanted to work with dogs. 00:01:28.119 --> 00:01:33.029 It's taken me a little while, but I got here in the end, um, and doing the, 00:01:33.059 --> 00:01:36.739 the web as it's called, whole energy body balance, doing that training, 00:01:36.739 --> 00:01:38.829 working with, uh, learning from Dr. 00:01:38.829 --> 00:01:42.609 Edward Bassing Thwaite, the healing vet who, who devised web and 00:01:42.609 --> 00:01:44.579 works with it himself and teaches. 00:01:44.939 --> 00:01:48.859 Uh, that's been one of the most amazing experiences I've had for 00:01:48.859 --> 00:01:52.169 a long, long time, and it set me on the path that I'm now on. 00:01:52.769 --> 00:01:53.329 Anke: I love that. 00:01:53.419 --> 00:01:53.889 I love that. 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:56.669 And so people who are listening, well, there's a good chance 00:01:56.669 --> 00:01:58.219 you've come across Dr. 00:01:58.239 --> 00:02:00.796 Adam on the, on the Planet of Peace Summit, and he was 00:02:00.796 --> 00:02:02.329 also on the podcast here. 00:02:02.529 --> 00:02:06.089 So maybe you're familiar. 00:02:06.149 --> 00:02:10.439 If you're not, I might recommend you, you check it out, because I always 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:12.319 remember how I stumbled across him. 00:02:12.709 --> 00:02:17.419 You know, it's that, oh, here's ways you can detect. 00:02:17.939 --> 00:02:18.259 Yes. 00:02:18.259 --> 00:02:21.249 And I was like, Oh, you know, so yeah, 00:02:22.319 --> 00:02:25.059 Ruth: I mean, I, I, like, like you, I stumped, sort of 00:02:25.059 --> 00:02:26.419 stumbled across him as well. 00:02:26.419 --> 00:02:30.419 I actually found him on Facebook when he, he advertises on Facebook. 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:34.499 And when I read about web and what it does and how it works and went, 00:02:34.519 --> 00:02:37.729 looked into a bit further, the training and everything else, I just 00:02:37.729 --> 00:02:39.359 thought, this is absolutely perfect. 00:02:39.359 --> 00:02:40.789 This is what I've been looking for. 00:02:41.269 --> 00:02:43.879 I have been looking into other types of canine massage, 00:02:43.899 --> 00:02:45.329 which tend to focus more on. 00:02:45.734 --> 00:02:49.054 You know, that the muscles and the muscle groups, whereas this 00:02:49.094 --> 00:02:51.374 is much more the whole body. 00:02:51.584 --> 00:02:54.484 It's the energetic system, as well as the connective tissue, 00:02:54.484 --> 00:02:58.094 the tissue, the neurofascia, which is all the nerve endings. 00:02:58.444 --> 00:03:02.354 Uh, and it just really fitted for me really with, you know, 00:03:02.354 --> 00:03:03.774 it's a little bit intuitive. 00:03:03.854 --> 00:03:06.754 Obviously you do do an assessment, seek out the silent. 00:03:06.874 --> 00:03:11.144 Pain and tension, uh, and then work with the dog, not on the dog, you work 00:03:11.174 --> 00:03:15.384 with the dog, you know, at their pace, connect with them, build up their trust. 00:03:15.724 --> 00:03:18.004 Um, and it's, it's absolutely wonderful. 00:03:18.004 --> 00:03:22.194 And I think I've always had a bit of a, um, I don't know what you'd call 00:03:22.194 --> 00:03:26.064 it, an understanding or a connection with dogs, even from being very young. 00:03:26.064 --> 00:03:29.594 Um, and, and it, as I say, it just works perfectly for me. 00:03:29.724 --> 00:03:32.044 And it's lovely to be able to help them both emotionally and 00:03:32.044 --> 00:03:34.834 physically, uh, in all sorts of ways. 00:03:35.609 --> 00:03:39.429 Anke: So, I mean, all sorts of ways, like, what is it that 00:03:39.449 --> 00:03:41.709 people typically come to you for? 00:03:41.979 --> 00:03:45.849 Because, you know, like, if my dog's not well, I'll go to the vet or, you know, I 00:03:46.019 --> 00:03:50.749 might get rakey or I might get like, you know, what will make people come to you? 00:03:51.454 --> 00:03:54.804 Ruth: Well, very often, I mean, obviously, if your dog is ill, and I obviously would 00:03:54.814 --> 00:03:59.394 always say this, if it becomes lame, if it's ill, you must go to your vet. 00:03:59.454 --> 00:04:02.224 You know, that's, that's the one thing we must be clear on when, you 00:04:02.224 --> 00:04:04.854 know, we're not vets by any means. 00:04:04.854 --> 00:04:08.814 And if your dog is, is sick, take it to the vet as a first port of call. 00:04:09.444 --> 00:04:12.534 And we always get vet consent before we work with the dog anyway, just to 00:04:12.534 --> 00:04:16.084 make sure if there's anything we need to know or any, any areas of caution. 00:04:16.474 --> 00:04:18.504 Um, but having said all that. 00:04:18.734 --> 00:04:20.404 People will bring their dogs to us. 00:04:20.414 --> 00:04:22.994 The reason being usually two sorts of camps. 00:04:22.994 --> 00:04:25.674 There's people with dogs who might have got arthritis. 00:04:25.674 --> 00:04:27.614 They might have got spinal issues. 00:04:27.934 --> 00:04:31.734 Um, they might just be old and suddenly their mobility seems to go. 00:04:31.734 --> 00:04:32.504 They've slowed up. 00:04:32.524 --> 00:04:34.604 They don't get in the car so easily. 00:04:34.604 --> 00:04:36.744 They don't get on the chair or up the stairs. 00:04:37.024 --> 00:04:39.904 And they're, they're people who, they're dogs who have got very tight. 00:04:39.914 --> 00:04:41.854 Their fascia's got very tight and stiff. 00:04:42.144 --> 00:04:46.309 Um, and they're probably feeling, Quite uncomfortable and immobile. 00:04:46.559 --> 00:04:50.339 So we work with that, work with them to loosen them up and it gives 00:04:50.339 --> 00:04:52.149 them a new lease of life very often. 00:04:52.309 --> 00:04:54.279 So that's sort of one, one area. 00:04:54.479 --> 00:04:58.359 The other area is dogs with emotional issues because like us, dogs hold 00:04:58.379 --> 00:05:03.009 tension the same as we do, you know, and if they're emotionally stressed, 00:05:03.009 --> 00:05:04.689 whether it be through separation. 00:05:04.999 --> 00:05:09.569 A rescue dog, you know, it's had an awful start to its life or whatever. 00:05:09.929 --> 00:05:12.969 Um, it will be holding to emotional tension like we do. 00:05:13.289 --> 00:05:16.599 And again, we assess, we find out, find out where it might be. 00:05:16.599 --> 00:05:19.519 And then we work with that dog very gently when it's a rescue dog, or if 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:22.629 it's been abused because, you know, obviously a big trust issue there. 00:05:22.629 --> 00:05:26.519 So, you know, you're very slowly and gently with rescue animals, um, build 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:28.299 up the trust and work to release it. 00:05:28.299 --> 00:05:31.039 And again, the same thing often happens. 00:05:31.409 --> 00:05:33.009 Their personality starts to come out. 00:05:33.029 --> 00:05:34.069 They start to relax. 00:05:34.069 --> 00:05:38.779 They start to enjoy life, start playing with toys for the first time, running 00:05:38.779 --> 00:05:41.459 about, engaging with their owner, a human. 00:05:41.829 --> 00:05:45.099 Uh, and it's just so lovely to be able to help them in that way. 00:05:45.129 --> 00:05:50.054 It really is because, because a lot of, a lot of, um, Other sort of massages. 00:05:50.054 --> 00:05:54.174 They don't tend to seek the silent pain and tension that Dr. 00:05:54.174 --> 00:05:55.824 Edward has has devised. 00:05:55.834 --> 00:05:58.004 It's a slightly different method of working. 00:05:58.384 --> 00:06:02.564 And, uh, yeah, it's, and the, and the calming work we do with 00:06:02.564 --> 00:06:03.844 the nervous system as well. 00:06:04.174 --> 00:06:06.964 Uh, that's something he's devised and it's very, very powerful 00:06:06.964 --> 00:06:08.904 and some energetic work as well. 00:06:09.174 --> 00:06:10.704 And it is, it's very powerful. 00:06:11.514 --> 00:06:12.014 Anke: I love that. 00:06:12.014 --> 00:06:12.594 I love that. 00:06:13.024 --> 00:06:19.094 So now this work has It has had an unexpected side effect for you, 00:06:19.094 --> 00:06:25.424 Ruth: as well as it being absolute joy to work with lovely dogs and 00:06:25.424 --> 00:06:28.244 help them and their owners because obviously it helps the owners too. 00:06:29.374 --> 00:06:29.794 It has. 00:06:29.794 --> 00:06:32.344 It's, it's led me down an unusual path. 00:06:32.534 --> 00:06:34.104 One I wasn't expecting to do. 00:06:34.504 --> 00:06:37.454 Before I was a dog, Uh, Canine Massage Therapist. 00:06:37.714 --> 00:06:38.814 I was a writer. 00:06:39.074 --> 00:06:40.684 Uh, I started off in journalism. 00:06:40.684 --> 00:06:44.974 And so I've, I've spent 40 years writing in, in one vein or another, whether it 00:06:44.994 --> 00:06:47.454 be publicity, marketing, journalism. 00:06:47.864 --> 00:06:52.894 Um, so, but I've managed, I've been able to combine that sort of skill 00:06:52.954 --> 00:06:55.854 with my dog work, um, and through. 00:06:56.069 --> 00:07:00.279 The last two years, and particularly post pandemic, when a lot of dogs and 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:04.589 owners have struggled with all sorts of issues, um, through maybe they're not 00:07:04.589 --> 00:07:08.229 socialized, or they've been with their humans so much, they get separation 00:07:08.229 --> 00:07:11.679 anxiety, uh, all the rescue dogs as well. 00:07:12.009 --> 00:07:18.009 Um, I've, I've, I noticed there was lots and lots of ongoing issues with people and 00:07:18.009 --> 00:07:23.839 very similar issues, um, and a lot of it was down to the human actually not having 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:28.789 the knowledge they needed, uh, that, you know, about their dog's welfare, what 00:07:28.819 --> 00:07:33.299 their dog's needs were, whether it was sort of breed specific or dogs in general. 00:07:33.739 --> 00:07:37.704 Um, and so, As a result of that, and I used to talk to, I talk a lot to my friend 00:07:37.704 --> 00:07:41.474 who's a dog trainer, uh, so we used to have lots of conversations about this. 00:07:41.974 --> 00:07:46.214 Um, and I suddenly, I joined a writing group online just to do 00:07:46.314 --> 00:07:50.934 a little week session, a session of evenings, uh, not with any 00:07:50.974 --> 00:07:53.064 intention other than I like writing. 00:07:53.384 --> 00:07:57.694 Um, and, and the first question, um, Michael Heppel, who was 00:07:57.864 --> 00:07:58.694 the writer of that book. 00:07:58.704 --> 00:08:01.704 He's the, he's a best selling author and motivational man. 00:08:01.704 --> 00:08:02.684 And he is motivational. 00:08:02.684 --> 00:08:03.564 He's a brilliant chap. 00:08:03.944 --> 00:08:07.204 Uh, first thing he asked us was, what's your passion in life? 00:08:07.554 --> 00:08:11.824 And of course, my passion in life is helping dogs leave, lead 00:08:11.914 --> 00:08:14.884 happier, healthier lives and helping their owners as well, of course. 00:08:15.264 --> 00:08:18.074 Um, so I put that down as, as my passion. 00:08:18.334 --> 00:08:20.224 Uh, we 50 words or something. 00:08:20.264 --> 00:08:22.564 And then the next night we had to expand it, which I did. 00:08:23.084 --> 00:08:27.034 and ended up writing this piece that we were then asked to post and people 00:08:27.034 --> 00:08:28.794 to comment on and give feedback. 00:08:29.204 --> 00:08:33.324 And I had such lovely feedback from this first couple of hundred words. 00:08:33.434 --> 00:08:35.554 People saying, Oh, where can I buy this? 00:08:35.554 --> 00:08:36.654 Where can I get, where are you? 00:08:36.694 --> 00:08:38.454 Is, you know, is this book finished yet? 00:08:38.934 --> 00:08:43.774 And I thought, well, I hadn't even, I haven't even started this 00:08:43.774 --> 00:08:45.464 book, but I better get on with it. 00:08:45.944 --> 00:08:46.754 So I did. 00:08:47.169 --> 00:08:48.789 Um, and now it's published. 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:49.529 It's out there. 00:08:49.529 --> 00:08:50.629 They're all barking. 00:08:50.629 --> 00:08:51.679 I've actually got a copy here. 00:08:55.799 --> 00:09:00.109 They're all barking and it's written by Professor Daniel Springer Spaniel. 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:04.139 Um, and yes, so, so it's now available. 00:09:04.349 --> 00:09:07.579 And basically in there I've gone through, um, it's about 14 00:09:07.579 --> 00:09:09.299 chapters, each with an illustration. 00:09:09.629 --> 00:09:11.549 And I've gone through all sorts of areas. 00:09:12.009 --> 00:09:17.759 Um, it's sort of making humans aware really of, of how they can, what the, 00:09:17.819 --> 00:09:22.399 what they can do best to help their dogs lead a happy, healthy, balanced life. 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:24.759 It's not about what the human wants. 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:28.569 Um, it's, it's not because the human wants it to wear a jumper 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:31.629 or shoes or any of these things. 00:09:31.869 --> 00:09:36.819 Um, or the human wants that dog because it looks fluffy and pretty or whatever. 00:09:37.239 --> 00:09:39.639 It should really be about does that. 00:09:40.169 --> 00:09:42.469 Is that dog going to fit into your life? 00:09:42.869 --> 00:09:46.599 Um, can you provide for that dog the things it needs? 00:09:46.599 --> 00:09:49.619 If it's a working dog, it's going to have real specific needs. 00:09:49.619 --> 00:09:50.819 It's going to be high energy. 00:09:50.819 --> 00:09:53.239 It's going to need mental stimulation. 00:09:53.239 --> 00:09:55.519 It's going to need a lot of outdoor work. 00:09:56.209 --> 00:09:57.329 It's going to be very energetic. 00:09:57.514 --> 00:10:00.524 You know, can you really, really provide for that dog if you're a 00:10:00.524 --> 00:10:04.094 family, you've got a young family and you work, uh, you know, probably 00:10:04.094 --> 00:10:05.454 the answer there might be no. 00:10:05.454 --> 00:10:12.514 So things like that, and it's written from a dog's perspective and it includes 00:10:12.514 --> 00:10:18.354 case studies, which are based on genuine, um, Sort of stories that either have 00:10:18.354 --> 00:10:21.944 happened to me with my dogs or other people I know so they are, they're 00:10:21.944 --> 00:10:25.344 true But I've obviously put a little bit of twist of fiction on it So it's 00:10:25.344 --> 00:10:29.884 slightly, but it's the dog talking in the case studies and it's it's Professor 00:10:29.884 --> 00:10:34.504 Daniel talking in the book Telling people, telling other dogs actually if 00:10:34.504 --> 00:10:38.964 you have an owner who's like this This is probably what's going to happen. 00:10:39.244 --> 00:10:44.044 Um, and there is, I've got some lovely feedback from people and it is 00:10:44.124 --> 00:10:46.714 written, you know, with some humour. 00:10:47.174 --> 00:10:51.244 Um, but there's also some really serious messages in there, uh, 00:10:51.284 --> 00:10:56.224 you know, about what can happen to dogs if they do end up with owners 00:10:56.224 --> 00:10:57.994 who can't provide for their needs. 00:10:58.274 --> 00:11:02.764 Um, you know, maybe because it hasn't just been thought through. 00:11:03.704 --> 00:11:05.614 Um, and I think this happened in the pandemic. 00:11:05.614 --> 00:11:09.464 People rushed out and got dogs without thinking it through, without thinking 00:11:09.504 --> 00:11:13.224 about what the dog needs and how they can look after it and what's going to happen 00:11:13.224 --> 00:11:15.204 in this situation and that situation. 00:11:15.624 --> 00:11:19.974 Um, and, and a lot of people humanized their dogs as well, I 00:11:19.974 --> 00:11:23.184 think, and they did when they were spending a lot of time with them. 00:11:23.554 --> 00:11:26.494 Um, and they weren't able to get professional help and guidance. 00:11:26.494 --> 00:11:30.234 They weren't able to go to classes, socialize the dog properly. 00:11:30.264 --> 00:11:34.984 And, and as a result, There's lots and lots of dogs with problems out there now, 00:11:35.324 --> 00:11:39.874 um, but as I often say, you know, if you want to change your dog's behavior, you 00:11:39.874 --> 00:11:41.694 need to start by looking at your own. 00:11:42.564 --> 00:11:44.334 And this is what Professor Daniel does. 00:11:44.334 --> 00:11:49.084 He looks at human behavior and how it affects dogs, including emotions, 00:11:49.124 --> 00:11:51.084 because emotions affect dogs as well. 00:11:51.764 --> 00:11:52.754 Anke: Oh, totally love that. 00:11:52.814 --> 00:11:54.234 I love that. 00:11:54.314 --> 00:11:56.754 Reminds me of this book by Kevin Behan. 00:11:57.014 --> 00:11:58.224 It's called Like Your Dog Is Your Mirror. 00:11:58.904 --> 00:12:00.674 Ruth: Oh yes, I've read that. 00:12:00.794 --> 00:12:01.264 You know, like you 00:12:01.474 --> 00:12:04.274 Anke: want to kind of always look on both ends of the leech, right? 00:12:04.774 --> 00:12:10.814 So I think they're so, especially knowing how, how tuned in they are, you know. 00:12:10.814 --> 00:12:14.394 Like you can, you can trick another person five times and 00:12:14.604 --> 00:12:15.884 you will never trick your dog. 00:12:16.094 --> 00:12:19.564 Like no one knows what's really going on. 00:12:19.564 --> 00:12:23.644 Ruth: Yeah, and that's actually another, another point that Professor Daniel makes 00:12:23.664 --> 00:12:27.804 is, you know, And there's a chapter on that, sensing your human's emotions. 00:12:28.074 --> 00:12:32.134 And again, that's a really, you know, quite a serious issue because dogs, I 00:12:32.144 --> 00:12:36.534 think a lot of humans underestimate how sensitive dogs are energetically, how 00:12:36.534 --> 00:12:40.674 intelligent they are and how much they absorb what we're thinking, what we're 00:12:40.684 --> 00:12:45.784 feeling, our emotions, um, and it can have a really serious impact on them. 00:12:46.154 --> 00:12:49.984 Um, so that, that's, you know, that's one aspect of the book is, is realizing. 00:12:50.309 --> 00:12:52.729 you know, just how intelligent and sensitive they are. 00:12:53.109 --> 00:12:58.149 Uh, and again, you know, that it's not just, not just a dog or not just an 00:12:58.149 --> 00:13:00.939 animal, that, that it's not an accessory. 00:13:00.939 --> 00:13:01.989 It's not an object. 00:13:02.009 --> 00:13:06.139 It's a real living, breathing, sentient, very sentient being. 00:13:06.179 --> 00:13:08.329 And it needs to be treated with respect. 00:13:08.709 --> 00:13:12.749 Um, and, and given it, you know, its needs, its breed specific 00:13:12.749 --> 00:13:17.349 needs provided for, um, and then you'll have a happy, healthy dog. 00:13:18.204 --> 00:13:18.744 Anke: I love that. 00:13:18.744 --> 00:13:19.194 I love that. 00:13:19.254 --> 00:13:22.744 It's like, literally like, what I've got on the cover page of 00:13:22.744 --> 00:13:23.873 SoulTouch products is that. 00:13:23.873 --> 00:13:25.454 It's like, they're not toys. 00:13:25.454 --> 00:13:26.402 They're not tools. 00:13:26.402 --> 00:13:30.197 You know, they, they, they're different from us, but not any less, 00:13:30.197 --> 00:13:34.308 you know, it's almost like, boy, my dogs have taught me so much. 00:13:34.308 --> 00:13:38.984 It's like, well, you know, like, you know what, I'm curious. 00:13:39.579 --> 00:13:41.389 Like, who is Dr. 00:13:41.469 --> 00:13:41.979 Daniel? 00:13:41.999 --> 00:13:43.599 Like, is that, like, Yoda? 00:13:43.649 --> 00:13:44.849 Or, like, how do you? 00:13:45.859 --> 00:13:47.999 Ruth: Yeah, it's funny, actually, because a couple of people have asked 00:13:47.999 --> 00:13:50.939 me that, and in a way, I think I've probably slipped up a touch there. 00:13:51.209 --> 00:13:56.099 I came up with Professor Daniel Springer Spaniel, obviously because Daniel arrives 00:13:56.099 --> 00:13:58.379 with Spaniel and he's hyphenated his name. 00:13:58.719 --> 00:14:03.059 Um, I don't know why I came up with a Springer Spaniel, Professor Daniel. 00:14:03.459 --> 00:14:08.229 Because my dog is actually a Labrador and it's a girl, it's a bitch. 00:14:08.229 --> 00:14:10.109 So I don't know where he came from. 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:11.799 I mean, also in the book, we've got Dr. 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:16.829 Peter Poynter, who is his colleague, who's provided the skate case studies for him. 00:14:16.829 --> 00:14:19.259 So he's got a role in the book as well. 00:14:19.259 --> 00:14:20.579 And I haven't got a pointer either. 00:14:21.159 --> 00:14:21.859 Anke: Oh, that's funny. 00:14:22.999 --> 00:14:24.489 Ruth: Just came out of my very You know, 00:14:24.489 --> 00:14:26.849 Anke: there could be good dogs or maybe a child. 00:14:26.859 --> 00:14:30.459 Like, you know, could it be the dog in particular? 00:14:31.274 --> 00:14:31.744 Yeah, 00:14:31.794 --> 00:14:32.564 Ruth: no, it's funny. 00:14:32.584 --> 00:14:34.204 It just came out of my head. 00:14:34.574 --> 00:14:36.954 All sorts of strange things do. 00:14:38.974 --> 00:14:43.844 Anke: So, so would you, I mean, the thing is, I would recommend it for anybody 00:14:43.844 --> 00:14:49.424 who loves dogs because it's just like, it's the edutainment almost, like it's 00:14:49.424 --> 00:14:51.994 half entertainment, it's half education. 00:14:52.364 --> 00:14:56.894 You know, but uh, so is there a specific group of people where you say, well, if 00:14:56.894 --> 00:15:00.674 you have an anxious dog, if you have a dog that kind of does things you don't really 00:15:00.674 --> 00:15:06.224 understand, is there a specific kind of dog lover where you think, well, if 00:15:06.254 --> 00:15:08.394 anybody gets a lot out of this, it's them? 00:15:09.119 --> 00:15:12.639 Ruth: Well it's interesting actually because I mean I, I obviously make 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:15.389 it clear in the beginning of the book and I say to people I'm not a 00:15:15.389 --> 00:15:20.149 trainer, I'm not a behaviorist, this is just my experience, well Professor 00:15:20.149 --> 00:15:24.331 Daniel's words, but my experience and obviously of working with dogs and their 00:15:24.331 --> 00:15:28.315 owners and I'm able to get it across because I'm a, I'm a writer as well. 00:15:28.315 --> 00:15:31.934 Um, But I would say, and from the feedback I've had, the people who've 00:15:31.934 --> 00:15:35.044 bought the book, some of them have been doggy clients, some obviously people 00:15:35.044 --> 00:15:36.584 I know, other people I don't know. 00:15:36.974 --> 00:15:39.434 Um, so far I've had lovely, lovely feedback. 00:15:39.454 --> 00:15:43.254 And even if some of the readers have had dogs all their lives, they 00:15:43.254 --> 00:15:47.444 all say it was really informative and they learned something from it. 00:15:48.034 --> 00:15:52.659 And in some cases they've even changed Their behavior with their dog, uh, 00:15:52.689 --> 00:15:54.329 because of what they've read in the book. 00:15:54.629 --> 00:15:56.469 Uh, so that is fantastic. 00:15:56.479 --> 00:15:58.289 That is what it's about for me. 00:15:58.549 --> 00:16:00.629 You know, a lot of people have said to me, Oh, you must be so 00:16:00.629 --> 00:16:01.689 pleased you've published a book. 00:16:01.689 --> 00:16:02.689 Well, yes, I am. 00:16:02.979 --> 00:16:05.359 But for me, the really, really. 00:16:05.514 --> 00:16:09.244 Great thing is when people say to me, I've read it, I loved it, I've 00:16:09.244 --> 00:16:12.914 really learned so much, you know, and somebody says, I loved it so much, and 00:16:12.914 --> 00:16:14.484 I'm no doubt going to read it again. 00:16:14.764 --> 00:16:18.444 And that is, and they've got something from it, because at the end of the 00:16:18.444 --> 00:16:20.224 day, I've written it to help dogs. 00:16:20.224 --> 00:16:23.414 That's, that's the simple reason I've written it is to try and help 00:16:23.414 --> 00:16:27.034 dogs by raising awareness through their humans of how they need, 00:16:27.304 --> 00:16:28.514 you know, the care they need. 00:16:29.019 --> 00:16:30.709 Um, and the support they need. 00:16:31.419 --> 00:16:36.169 Um, so yeah, it's, it's, I'd say any dog, any dog owner, to be honest. 00:16:36.229 --> 00:16:38.179 Um, so I've had all sorts of dogs 00:16:38.239 --> 00:16:41.119 Anke: probably put it on the Christmas list. 00:16:41.779 --> 00:16:44.419 Ruth: Hopefully it makes a lovely gift. 00:16:44.419 --> 00:16:45.949 The hardback makes a lovely gift. 00:16:45.949 --> 00:16:49.509 And I've had quite a lot of people buy it to make, you know, to give us gifts. 00:16:49.899 --> 00:16:53.949 Uh, so, so I'm hoping come Christmas, it'll be a busy time. 00:16:54.149 --> 00:16:55.109 Anke: I hope so too. 00:16:55.249 --> 00:16:59.989 So is there one thing like out of all the You know, all the messages 00:17:00.039 --> 00:17:05.609 that you communicate in the book, is there, like, if there was one thing 00:17:05.619 --> 00:17:09.769 you wish people knew, what would Dr. 00:17:09.769 --> 00:17:10.539 Daniel say? 00:17:10.539 --> 00:17:12.569 Ruth: Oh my goodness, me! 00:17:12.609 --> 00:17:15.959 Um What would the one thing be? 00:17:16.499 --> 00:17:24.639 I would say, respect, he would say rather, respect your dog for the canine it is, 00:17:25.239 --> 00:17:30.699 not, it's not a human, it is a canine at the end of the day, and it needs 00:17:30.699 --> 00:17:33.259 to be respected and treated as such. 00:17:33.629 --> 00:17:38.039 Um, because I think that's, you know, that's probably where a lot of people 00:17:38.409 --> 00:17:41.909 can go wrong, um, is they think of it as. 00:17:42.069 --> 00:17:46.239 You know, a child, a baby, uh, you know, yes, it's part of the family. 00:17:46.249 --> 00:17:47.909 Of course, they're part of the family. 00:17:48.229 --> 00:17:51.309 And when we lose them, it's like we've lost our arm or our leg. 00:17:51.309 --> 00:17:52.089 It's, it's awful. 00:17:52.789 --> 00:17:55.749 Um, and it doesn't mean you don't love them any less. 00:17:56.119 --> 00:17:58.959 It actually means you're putting them first. 00:17:59.179 --> 00:18:04.789 So respect them and, and, and love them as a canine, not a, they're not a human 00:18:04.789 --> 00:18:06.929 and they need to be respected as canines. 00:18:07.494 --> 00:18:08.524 Anke: Yeah, I love that. 00:18:08.524 --> 00:18:09.284 I love that. 00:18:09.284 --> 00:18:13.234 So where can people go find, where can you buy the book, you know, 00:18:13.234 --> 00:18:16.264 and where can people find out more about you, connect with you? 00:18:17.154 --> 00:18:19.924 Ruth: Professor Daniel has his own website, of course, 00:18:21.044 --> 00:18:22.514 which is professordaniel. 00:18:22.564 --> 00:18:22.824 co. 00:18:22.864 --> 00:18:23.764 uk. 00:18:23.774 --> 00:18:27.904 So he has his own website where you can buy the book, uh, hardback or paperback, 00:18:30.794 --> 00:18:32.894 um, Professor Daniel, I think it is. 00:18:37.604 --> 00:18:39.014 I really need to check with him. 00:18:39.294 --> 00:18:43.034 Um, yes, he's got, he's got a Facebook page and he's also got, um, he's 00:18:43.034 --> 00:18:44.674 got an Instagram account as well. 00:18:45.164 --> 00:18:46.234 Yeah, I mean, we definitely 00:18:46.234 --> 00:18:50.814 Anke: want to put all those links, uh, you know, in the show notes, and if it's on 00:18:50.814 --> 00:18:52.904 the podcast and in the actual newsletter. 00:18:53.044 --> 00:18:54.364 So we definitely want all those. 00:18:54.374 --> 00:18:55.584 Yes, I'll 00:18:55.604 --> 00:18:57.514 Ruth: make sure we've got all the necessary, but yeah, he is 00:18:57.514 --> 00:19:00.854 on, he is on Facebook, he is on Instagram and his professordaniel. 00:19:00.854 --> 00:19:01.424 co. 00:19:01.424 --> 00:19:03.064 uk is where you can buy the book. 00:19:03.374 --> 00:19:07.284 Uh, it will be out on, available on Amazon very, very shortly as well. 00:19:07.534 --> 00:19:11.144 So wherever you are in the world, uh, you will be able to buy it on Amazon. 00:19:11.144 --> 00:19:13.894 And as long as you can speak English, you'll be able to read it. 00:19:14.384 --> 00:19:15.464 Anke: Awesome, awesome, awesome. 00:19:15.684 --> 00:19:18.404 Well, the next one will be if it's like, you know, barking. 00:19:23.274 --> 00:19:26.084 So that they can, you know, like make one for dogs so they 00:19:26.084 --> 00:19:27.404 can train their owners, right? 00:19:27.704 --> 00:19:29.014 Ruth: Yeah, absolutely. 00:19:29.754 --> 00:19:31.224 Anke: And so where can people find you? 00:19:32.009 --> 00:19:35.309 Ruth: Me, well, I actually, I didn't say I'm a karma canine. 00:19:35.309 --> 00:19:41.219 That is my, uh, web business, and that's hyphenated@karmacanine.co uk. 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:46.079 Uh, I've also got a Facebook page at Karma Canine, uh, at a Karma canine rather. 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:47.459 And I'm also on Instagram. 00:19:47.579 --> 00:19:51.449 So again, um, for all the links are there so you can find yourself. 00:19:51.449 --> 00:19:52.799 I'm based in the Cut sws. 00:19:52.829 --> 00:19:54.059 Um, I see dogs. 00:19:54.349 --> 00:19:55.729 in my little cabin at home. 00:19:56.139 --> 00:19:59.689 Occasionally, if dogs are within a small radius, I will see them at 00:19:59.689 --> 00:20:03.409 home if there's, if they're unable to travel or there's a problem. 00:20:03.859 --> 00:20:04.579 So, yeah. 00:20:05.299 --> 00:20:05.849 Anke: I love it. 00:20:05.929 --> 00:20:06.349 I love it. 00:20:06.829 --> 00:20:10.699 So definitely, you know, do yourself a favor, get the book because, you 00:20:10.699 --> 00:20:15.619 know, it's just most delightful and, you know, I think it's such a beautiful 00:20:15.619 --> 00:20:19.259 way to, to help more dogs by, you know. 00:20:19.739 --> 00:20:20.929 Ruth: Yeah, well, that's what it's about. 00:20:20.929 --> 00:20:23.359 That really is what it's about. 00:20:23.669 --> 00:20:28.059 about helping dogs, just raising awareness of, of what they need and 00:20:28.059 --> 00:20:29.869 how sensitive and intelligent they are. 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:31.169 Anke: Yeah, I love that. 00:20:31.169 --> 00:20:31.579 Love that. 00:20:31.579 --> 00:20:33.059 So thank you so much for coming. 00:20:33.389 --> 00:20:34.279 Thank you Anke. 00:20:34.619 --> 00:20:35.799 I'll hope to talk to you again soon. 00:20:36.439 --> 00:20:36.999 Ruth: That's lovely. 00:20:36.999 --> 00:20:38.149 Thank you very much for inviting me. 00:20:38.149 --> 00:20:38.869 It's been lovely. 00:20:38.889 --> 00:20:39.519 Thank you. 00:20:40.408 --> 00:20:41.638 Thanks so much for listening. 00:20:42.158 --> 00:20:46.458 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe, and leave a review so 00:20:46.558 --> 00:20:48.338 other dog lovers can find the show. 00:20:49.128 --> 00:20:52.618 If you haven't already, head over to soul touched by dogs. 00:20:53.048 --> 00:20:58.618 com and sign up for weekly doggy cuteness tips, recommendations, and personal 00:20:58.718 --> 00:21:01.088 stories to warm your dog loving heart. 00:21:01.088 --> 00:21:04.818 And if you know a pawsome human you think I should interview, 00:21:05.238 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