WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:01.170 --> 00:00:05.460 Welcome to The Chemical Show, the podcast where Chemical means business. 00:00:05.910 --> 00:00:09.690 I'm your host, Victoria Meyer, bringing you stories and insights 00:00:09.690 --> 00:00:13.590 from leaders driving innovation and growth across the chemical industry. 00:00:14.550 --> 00:00:18.840 Each week we explore key trends, real world challenges, and the 00:00:18.840 --> 00:00:20.670 strategies that make an impact. 00:00:20.880 --> 00:00:21.720 Let's get started. 00:00:23.424 --> 00:00:24.924 victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Welcome back to The Chemical Show. 00:00:25.224 --> 00:00:29.814 Today I am speaking with Jennifer Dusen, who is the Chief Procurement 00:00:29.814 --> 00:00:34.074 Officer at Lyon Del Bassell and Danielle Warnock, who is the senior 00:00:34.074 --> 00:00:39.924 manager of Global Carbon Business Strategy at noon and more importantly. 00:00:40.174 --> 00:00:43.084 Both of them represent together for sustainability. 00:00:43.144 --> 00:00:44.704 We're gonna learn a little bit more about what that is. 00:00:45.014 --> 00:00:49.784 Jen is the president of TFS and Chairs the steering committee, and 00:00:49.904 --> 00:00:52.604 Danielle is the regional lead for TFS. 00:00:52.634 --> 00:00:56.654 And so both of them are here today to talk about what is TFS, 00:00:56.654 --> 00:00:58.364 what is sustainable procurement, 00:00:58.844 --> 00:01:01.784 why it matters, and more so ladies, 00:01:02.084 --> 00:01:03.224 welcome to the Chemical Show. 00:01:04.204 --> 00:01:05.704 Speaker: Thank you for having us. 00:01:06.679 --> 00:01:07.069 victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Yeah. 00:01:07.069 --> 00:01:08.119 Excited to have you. 00:01:08.369 --> 00:01:10.559 So I'm gonna start with Jen. 00:01:11.043 --> 00:01:14.523 Tell us a little bit about your origin story and how you got to 00:01:14.523 --> 00:01:18.123 where you are in the chemical industry and in your current role. 00:01:18.547 --> 00:01:22.447 Jennifer Jewson: so from a personal perspective, um, absolutely I can share. 00:01:22.447 --> 00:01:25.777 So I've been in the chemical industry actually almost 30 years, 00:01:26.107 --> 00:01:28.207 which is a amazingly long time. 00:01:28.237 --> 00:01:32.227 Uh, I'm a chemist by training actually, and moved over into the commercial area. 00:01:32.627 --> 00:01:35.897 And I've had several roles within our organization, whether it is. 00:01:35.917 --> 00:01:40.777 On the sell side, you know, or know, supply chain, et cetera. 00:01:40.777 --> 00:01:43.717 I moved over to procurement in the last three years. 00:01:43.717 --> 00:01:49.207 I took over as CPO, and it's a really, you know, it's an exciting time for, I think 00:01:49.237 --> 00:01:54.847 our industry in general, you know, as we look at how we manufacture things today 00:01:54.847 --> 00:01:57.217 and doing it very differently than before. 00:01:57.517 --> 00:02:01.447 So this, this level of innovation, and for someone like me who originally 00:02:01.447 --> 00:02:02.977 came from r and d, it's a very. 00:02:03.037 --> 00:02:04.207 It's very interesting. 00:02:04.207 --> 00:02:08.597 So for me, a natural progression for me was to find other areas where 00:02:08.597 --> 00:02:13.067 I could have impact and influence specifically in the sustainability space. 00:02:13.249 --> 00:02:13.744 victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: I love it. 00:02:13.774 --> 00:02:14.344 That's great. 00:02:14.557 --> 00:02:15.547 Danielle, how about you? 00:02:15.547 --> 00:02:18.067 How did you get started in the chemical 00:02:18.067 --> 00:02:19.492 industry into where you are 00:02:19.492 --> 00:02:19.772 today? 00:02:19.902 --> 00:02:20.142 Danielle Warnock: yeah. 00:02:20.142 --> 00:02:22.272 Really similar background to Jen. 00:02:22.322 --> 00:02:24.662 So my background is in chemical engineering. 00:02:25.112 --> 00:02:26.567 I started in r and d as well. 00:02:27.382 --> 00:02:29.362 And I really kind of moved through. 00:02:29.362 --> 00:02:31.312 I did not start in the chemical industry. 00:02:31.312 --> 00:02:36.292 I started in the industrial gases industry so I would say close cousins. 00:02:36.572 --> 00:02:40.382 And I've held various roles in different types of design engineering, 00:02:40.572 --> 00:02:42.402 before moving into supply chain. 00:02:42.612 --> 00:02:46.722 And so I spent about six and a half years, in different roles in procurement. 00:02:47.230 --> 00:02:50.590 Somehow sustainable procurement found me and it was a really 00:02:50.590 --> 00:02:52.330 exciting, I think, pivotal turn. 00:02:52.550 --> 00:02:55.910 So still working in supply chain, really understanding how the value 00:02:55.910 --> 00:02:59.940 chain works, and looking at those commercial, commercial aspects, but 00:02:59.940 --> 00:03:01.790 adding sustainability, here at noon. 00:03:02.300 --> 00:03:05.990 And so I did that for three and a half years, which is how I found TFS as well. 00:03:06.320 --> 00:03:08.120 Um, and now in my current role. 00:03:08.435 --> 00:03:12.275 Um, looking at really how do we integrate sustainability and carbon 00:03:12.275 --> 00:03:16.535 reduction opportunities into our day-to-day business decisions where 00:03:16.535 --> 00:03:18.215 it makes sense for us the most. 00:03:18.455 --> 00:03:22.625 Uh, so it's really exciting to, to look at how, like Jen mentioned, how 00:03:22.625 --> 00:03:27.545 the industry is changing and how we're evolving and how certain buzzwords like 00:03:27.545 --> 00:03:31.475 sustainability, even the definition of sustainability has changed since 00:03:31.475 --> 00:03:33.905 I've become part of this world. 00:03:34.205 --> 00:03:35.225 victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Yeah, I love that. 00:03:35.225 --> 00:03:36.095 And I think you're right. 00:03:36.095 --> 00:03:41.105 I think we're absolutely at, at a transformational inflection point in the 00:03:41.105 --> 00:03:46.535 industry, and sustainability is one of these areas that I, you know, I started 00:03:46.535 --> 00:03:50.335 hearing about it 20 years ago and I had no stinking idea what it map like I don't. 00:03:50.770 --> 00:03:51.310 I don't get it. 00:03:51.370 --> 00:03:52.360 Like I just don't get it. 00:03:52.420 --> 00:03:56.860 And then certainly in the 2020s it feels like we've reached peak hype and now 00:03:56.860 --> 00:04:01.120 we're getting back to reality because it is part of our longevity of our 00:04:01.300 --> 00:04:03.550 industry, the world, business, et cetera. 00:04:04.540 --> 00:04:07.810 So, let's just talk a little bit about together for sustainability, 00:04:07.810 --> 00:04:12.430 because I know that some people may not be aware of the organization. 00:04:12.788 --> 00:04:15.038 Jennifer Jewson: Yeah, I'd be, I'd be happy to start with that. 00:04:15.043 --> 00:04:15.203 So. 00:04:15.898 --> 00:04:19.708 I think Danielle and I will both agree we have a passion for that organization 00:04:19.708 --> 00:04:22.378 because it is so unique and so special. 00:04:22.378 --> 00:04:24.658 And why I say that is, you know what? 00:04:25.028 --> 00:04:28.568 What together for sustainability is, is really, it. 00:04:28.568 --> 00:04:32.468 It's, it's an industry alliance with over 50 pet chem companies. 00:04:32.468 --> 00:04:38.318 And if you think the about the spend that we touch in a given year a 00:04:38.318 --> 00:04:42.998 collective, we probably touch, you know, over $500 billion of spend. 00:04:42.998 --> 00:04:46.538 So when you, when you have us together thinking about things, we 00:04:46.538 --> 00:04:47.813 really have impact and influence. 00:04:48.443 --> 00:04:53.003 Why I think it is so incredibly special is you look at the pet chem industry. 00:04:53.003 --> 00:04:56.273 When I first started, we never talked to each other, right? 00:04:56.273 --> 00:05:01.043 Because we were so worried about antitrust and you know, we were coached so much. 00:05:01.043 --> 00:05:04.733 Don't talk about product and don't talk about price, but sustainability 00:05:04.733 --> 00:05:09.923 is this topic where you absolutely, one, have to collaborate, but now 00:05:09.923 --> 00:05:12.953 have the ability to collaborate right as we, as we work together. 00:05:12.953 --> 00:05:16.313 So for me, I think TFS, the folks come in. 00:05:16.478 --> 00:05:19.748 We may touch the chemical industry a little bit differently here and there. 00:05:20.008 --> 00:05:23.608 and we all realize that there's not gonna be a perfect answer for everything, but 00:05:23.608 --> 00:05:26.338 we all know that we have to make progress. 00:05:26.338 --> 00:05:30.868 And so therefore we've gotta figure out what is that, what is that middle ground 00:05:30.868 --> 00:05:32.908 where we can make sure that people. 00:05:33.358 --> 00:05:37.378 Truly understand what we're trying to do from moving the needle from 00:05:37.378 --> 00:05:39.058 a sustainability perspective. 00:05:39.398 --> 00:05:43.868 And so the only way you can do that is if you are this industry alliance. 00:05:43.868 --> 00:05:47.108 And I always say we do together what we cannot do alone. 00:05:47.188 --> 00:05:50.488 Which is why I think this organization is an incredibly special one. 00:05:51.325 --> 00:05:52.715 victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Yeah, I really like that. 00:05:53.149 --> 00:05:55.969 What inspired your companies to get involved? 00:05:55.969 --> 00:05:59.779 So, you guys have obviously been involved for quite a while, but I, you know, 00:05:59.779 --> 00:06:02.659 must your company must see something that says, yeah, this is worthwhile. 00:06:02.689 --> 00:06:03.919 'cause Jen, I'm with you. 00:06:03.919 --> 00:06:07.999 I, you know, I grew up in this era where you weren't allowed to say boo 00:06:08.329 --> 00:06:12.714 to competitors, much less collaborate inside of an industry group. 00:06:12.859 --> 00:06:14.719 I think some of that had always happened, but, 00:06:15.029 --> 00:06:18.359 You know, what really prompted the, and inspired your companies, maybe Danielle, 00:06:18.359 --> 00:06:19.679 do you have a, can respond to 00:06:19.679 --> 00:06:19.979 that? 00:06:20.014 --> 00:06:21.694 Speaker: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 00:06:21.744 --> 00:06:26.634 Jen hid it really well, I think with describing TFS and, and really 00:06:26.634 --> 00:06:28.374 leveraging the, power in numbers. 00:06:28.424 --> 00:06:29.234 And so. 00:06:29.429 --> 00:06:33.509 With N on here, we have three major pillars of sustainability. 00:06:33.509 --> 00:06:36.839 Looking at environmental performance, looking at safety, 00:06:36.989 --> 00:06:38.729 and looking at sustainable growth. 00:06:38.939 --> 00:06:44.129 And really it's how do we operationalize and make actions in these areas. 00:06:44.159 --> 00:06:49.529 And TFS really this peer to peer organization in numbers where we can 00:06:49.529 --> 00:06:54.689 leverage making like scaling impact is really where we saw that opportunity. 00:06:55.049 --> 00:06:59.999 The, so not only can TFS offer tools and community, but it's really like 00:06:59.999 --> 00:07:04.529 we're shaping the tools that we can use to really drive progress in this area. 00:07:04.819 --> 00:07:09.499 And so that's really one of the, the key drivers for Nuon becoming a member 00:07:09.859 --> 00:07:11.929 back in, uh, back in April of 2023. 00:07:12.559 --> 00:07:13.129 victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: That's great. 00:07:13.419 --> 00:07:17.729 So obviously TFS operates as a member driven initiative, right? 00:07:17.729 --> 00:07:20.339 So, um, across cutting across companies. 00:07:20.339 --> 00:07:22.739 Jen, you referenced 50 petrochemical companies. 00:07:23.549 --> 00:07:24.989 How does this really work? 00:07:25.019 --> 00:07:29.522 'cause it's hard to create, alignment sometimes inside your own 00:07:29.522 --> 00:07:32.132 company, much less across companies. 00:07:32.192 --> 00:07:37.982 And yet, TFS has obviously been very successful in, um, its organization 00:07:37.982 --> 00:07:41.742 in the initiatives it's taking out, guidelines and practices as 00:07:41.742 --> 00:07:44.832 we talk about, uh, sustainable procurement across the industry. 00:07:45.411 --> 00:07:46.551 Jennifer Jewson: why is it successful? 00:07:46.551 --> 00:07:49.371 I think, so we at lined ell, we really, you know. 00:07:50.166 --> 00:07:54.246 We have clear, just like Danielle was saying, for ion, we have clear 00:07:54.246 --> 00:07:58.026 goals and objectives of what we wanna do from a sustainability standpoint. 00:07:58.116 --> 00:08:03.273 And if you think about why does TFS work so well, it is a collection of 00:08:03.273 --> 00:08:05.493 companies that are very like-minded. 00:08:05.643 --> 00:08:10.293 So you do have people that already have, you know, very public 00:08:10.293 --> 00:08:11.763 goals that they wanna achieve. 00:08:12.373 --> 00:08:14.143 They want to be leading edge. 00:08:14.383 --> 00:08:19.243 And so I think that helps it to, to, to give them momentum. 00:08:19.243 --> 00:08:20.923 So if you have people that are 00:08:20.923 --> 00:08:24.793 like-minded, understand that it's a very complex problem to solve 00:08:24.793 --> 00:08:25.693 and really wanna lean 00:08:25.693 --> 00:08:26.053 in and do 00:08:26.053 --> 00:08:26.323 it, I 00:08:26.450 --> 00:08:26.480 Speaker: Okay. 00:08:26.623 --> 00:08:27.373 Jennifer Jewson: that's really what 00:08:27.373 --> 00:08:28.003 helps it. 00:08:28.483 --> 00:08:33.463 I will also share too, that these types of alliances, and it's maybe 00:08:33.463 --> 00:08:37.033 not the most exciting part to talk about governance matters, right? 00:08:37.033 --> 00:08:39.103 Like how do you operate, right? 00:08:39.103 --> 00:08:44.503 And so, tFS office is incredibly well organized and driven to help 00:08:44.503 --> 00:08:48.403 us make sure that we can make the most of everybody's time, that we 00:08:48.403 --> 00:08:53.503 are very thoughtfully executing, and so we have multiple work streams. 00:08:53.803 --> 00:08:58.003 I think companies can lean into work streams, differentially, depending on 00:08:58.003 --> 00:09:02.413 what's most important to them, but, but we've aligned on what those are 00:09:02.473 --> 00:09:06.163 and we make sure that we are making progress and the folks that are there. 00:09:06.838 --> 00:09:08.488 know, You will have folks that are a little more 00:09:08.488 --> 00:09:10.258 sophisticated than others, right? 00:09:10.258 --> 00:09:11.818 Because they've been added a little bit longer. 00:09:11.818 --> 00:09:12.928 Same for line ell. 00:09:12.928 --> 00:09:13.888 We joined in 21. 00:09:14.496 --> 00:09:17.676 We are leaps and bounds ahead of where I thought we would be. 00:09:17.676 --> 00:09:21.546 And it's because the fact that you have, you have folks that are 00:09:21.546 --> 00:09:24.336 very sophisticated in these work streams that want to help you. 00:09:24.336 --> 00:09:28.716 So, so I do think, one, you've got the leaders that are pushing the boundaries 00:09:28.716 --> 00:09:32.766 so that we are doing really good things, but then they're also so collaborative 00:09:32.796 --> 00:09:36.971 that as you join, they help get you up to speed a lot faster and make a 00:09:37.056 --> 00:09:38.646 a tremendous amount more progress. 00:09:39.053 --> 00:09:40.253 victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Yeah, I think that's really great. 00:09:40.253 --> 00:09:44.483 And as you say, governance is key, especially to, you know, manage 00:09:44.483 --> 00:09:49.553 antitrust concerns and also to be effective because you know, it's 00:09:49.553 --> 00:09:50.933 a choice for companies to be. 00:09:51.293 --> 00:09:54.323 Part of an organization like this, obviously there's a lot of business 00:09:54.323 --> 00:09:59.823 benefit, but it's also, you want, when you join, you want to be effective 00:09:59.853 --> 00:10:01.143 and know that it's gonna be effective. 00:10:01.143 --> 00:10:05.733 So, so I'm going to take us back one step a little bit and let's just talk 00:10:05.733 --> 00:10:11.193 about sustainable procurement what is it, because this is kind of the center point 00:10:11.193 --> 00:10:13.053 of what we're doing here today, and yet 00:10:13.503 --> 00:10:17.223 people may not fully understand what it is and what it 00:10:17.223 --> 00:10:17.733 means. 00:10:18.093 --> 00:10:21.963 Speaker: Yeah, I think, um, you know, I think that if you ask five different 00:10:21.963 --> 00:10:24.963 people you might get five different definitions of what sustainable 00:10:24.963 --> 00:10:28.113 procurement might be, depending on what might be the hot topic. 00:10:28.693 --> 00:10:33.433 At hand, but it's really thinking long term how decisions in our supply chain 00:10:33.433 --> 00:10:38.413 and our value chains affect the people, the planet and profit of a company. 00:10:38.713 --> 00:10:42.553 Um, and it's really how do we build resilience in our supply chains? 00:10:42.613 --> 00:10:46.723 How do we reduce risk and how do we, how do we optimize and 00:10:46.843 --> 00:10:50.773 opportunity and growth, um, in a, in a sustainable and ethical manner? 00:10:51.123 --> 00:10:55.093 And where TFS really helps with that, again, is looking at. 00:10:55.848 --> 00:10:59.898 That peer-to-peer model looking at different types of tools where we can 00:11:00.048 --> 00:11:05.328 standardize and optimize our thought processes to really take action with our 00:11:05.328 --> 00:11:07.698 suppliers and, and engage and collaborate. 00:11:08.093 --> 00:11:08.423 victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Yeah. 00:11:08.573 --> 00:11:11.843 And is this about and measuring? 00:11:13.043 --> 00:11:16.913 Greenhouse gas emissions, um, logistics things. 00:11:16.913 --> 00:11:23.723 I guess there's, it's, is it, does it tie like to the uns, is it 23 practices, which 00:11:23.723 --> 00:11:26.573 include people and these other things? 00:11:26.573 --> 00:11:28.073 Or how does it all tie together? 00:11:30.346 --> 00:11:31.126 Jennifer Jewson: It, it does. 00:11:31.126 --> 00:11:32.421 It, it it does. 00:11:32.421 --> 00:11:37.051 And so I, I think, it does tie to that and it does it touch, it touches 00:11:37.051 --> 00:11:38.941 multiple areas like Danielle was saying. 00:11:38.941 --> 00:11:42.121 So I think, you know, if you think about, we try and figure out what are 00:11:42.121 --> 00:11:43.711 the big problems we're trying to solve. 00:11:43.951 --> 00:11:48.541 One is making sure our suppliers that we work with have the same ambitions 00:11:48.541 --> 00:11:52.711 that we do, and it could be on how they manufacture, how they treat their people. 00:11:52.741 --> 00:11:54.271 It's a number of facets. 00:11:55.026 --> 00:12:00.006 know, I think about economies of scale instead of 50 member companies going 00:12:00.006 --> 00:12:03.546 to the same supplier and asking the same questions over and over again. 00:12:03.848 --> 00:12:09.158 now we have it coming out from eight an organization asking questions, 00:12:09.158 --> 00:12:10.268 and so I think it makes it. 00:12:10.638 --> 00:12:13.098 Easier for the, the suppliers to work with us. 00:12:13.218 --> 00:12:16.368 It helps us to align ambitions with us on, so one, are they 00:12:16.368 --> 00:12:17.688 trying to do all the right things? 00:12:18.258 --> 00:12:20.538 I think, you know, product carbon footprint. 00:12:20.538 --> 00:12:24.828 So CO2 reduction is very important too, and it's incredibly complex. 00:12:25.068 --> 00:12:27.438 So you think about Scope one, scope two, scope three. 00:12:27.618 --> 00:12:31.218 Scope three is usually our largest footprint for our companies. 00:12:31.218 --> 00:12:31.548 Right? 00:12:31.548 --> 00:12:36.648 So for lined El Acel, I think it it, to this point, our Scope three footprint 00:12:36.648 --> 00:12:39.138 is somewhere around 78 to 80% of our 00:12:39.138 --> 00:12:39.858 overall footprint. 00:12:39.858 --> 00:12:39.948 It's. 00:12:40.213 --> 00:12:41.053 Big, right? 00:12:41.053 --> 00:12:41.623 And so, 00:12:42.073 --> 00:12:42.493 and 00:12:42.493 --> 00:12:44.203 it's complicated, right? 00:12:44.203 --> 00:12:46.933 Because you're bringing all these different raw materials and things into 00:12:46.933 --> 00:12:49.123 your system from many different suppliers. 00:12:49.453 --> 00:12:54.583 So again, that's where I think matters and consistency matters. 00:12:54.583 --> 00:12:57.313 There is still always gonna be a little bit of variability, 00:12:57.643 --> 00:13:01.903 but I think where we can drive consistency, at least to a acceptable 00:13:01.903 --> 00:13:03.553 level is gonna be very important. 00:13:03.553 --> 00:13:08.053 Because why at the end of the day, we wanna be able to say, this is my baseline. 00:13:08.868 --> 00:13:13.398 I'm going to show you customer what I am doing to make it better. 00:13:13.698 --> 00:13:16.758 And it go, it does drive back to exactly what Danielle said 00:13:16.758 --> 00:13:20.298 earlier, and that is the value proposition because it's not free. 00:13:20.658 --> 00:13:24.738 And the things that we do as a chemical industry are very hard to abate. 00:13:24.738 --> 00:13:26.028 We're energy intensive. 00:13:26.028 --> 00:13:27.978 And so I think it's important. 00:13:27.978 --> 00:13:30.888 It allows us this opportunity to truly. 00:13:31.958 --> 00:13:35.528 to our customers how we do what we do, because they don't necessarily know. 00:13:35.558 --> 00:13:35.948 Right. 00:13:36.188 --> 00:13:38.648 They know that they order something and it comes to their door. 00:13:38.678 --> 00:13:42.668 But the process behind all of that, they don't necessarily, and nor do 00:13:42.668 --> 00:13:45.938 they need to know all of it, but they need to understand kind of the, 00:13:46.328 --> 00:13:50.858 what I would call the big steps to, to get to a more greener solution. 00:13:51.325 --> 00:13:51.655 victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Yeah. 00:13:51.895 --> 00:13:56.455 You know, it strikes me interesting and I know that TFS is a lot about sustainable 00:13:56.455 --> 00:14:02.845 procurement, and yet your companies both are sellers of chemical products, often 00:14:02.845 --> 00:14:07.915 to other chemical companies, um, and often to final product producers that 00:14:07.915 --> 00:14:11.035 are, you know, whether they're packaging, whether they're formulating, et cetera. 00:14:12.070 --> 00:14:16.450 do you pull through some of these learnings into your sales team? 00:14:16.724 --> 00:14:18.524 or do you, is it still too early yet? 00:14:18.524 --> 00:14:20.654 'cause you guys are both pretty young in your 00:14:20.789 --> 00:14:21.429 TFS journey. 00:14:22.089 --> 00:14:22.309 Um, 00:14:22.449 --> 00:14:25.449 Speaker: Yeah, I, I could speak a little bit on behalf of Nuon. 00:14:25.449 --> 00:14:29.949 So, um, you know, I think we're probably not unique in this, but, the, you, 00:14:29.949 --> 00:14:32.719 know, your sustainability goals and your targets that comes from the top. 00:14:33.394 --> 00:14:37.414 And there's a lot of different functions and organizations across the company 00:14:37.414 --> 00:14:40.984 that need to work together to be able to meet those targets and goals. 00:14:41.344 --> 00:14:44.764 And sustainable procurement is one of those key functions, especially 00:14:44.764 --> 00:14:46.324 in the area of Scope three. 00:14:46.744 --> 00:14:51.454 But in order to make impacts in Scope three, one person, scope 00:14:51.454 --> 00:14:53.014 three is another company Scope. 00:14:53.644 --> 00:14:58.794 And so, as you reduce emissions in your Scope one and two as direct 00:14:58.794 --> 00:15:02.544 emissions for your company, you're therefore helping your customers reduce 00:15:02.544 --> 00:15:04.194 their scope three as they buy up. 00:15:04.194 --> 00:15:09.094 So, really across the value chain, we're also closely interconnected regardless 00:15:09.094 --> 00:15:13.624 of really whether you're B2B or you're selling directly to customers, we all have 00:15:13.624 --> 00:15:16.084 to make these changes, um, to be able to. 00:15:16.094 --> 00:15:17.264 To progress forward. 00:15:17.534 --> 00:15:21.674 And the way that Jen, you know, Jen hit on talking about how Scope Three makes up 00:15:21.674 --> 00:15:23.594 the majority of our emissions right now. 00:15:23.864 --> 00:15:28.034 Well, if you think about it five years from now, as companies reduce their scope 00:15:28.034 --> 00:15:33.434 ones, whether that's to meet regulations or to meet their own internal targets, 00:15:33.434 --> 00:15:37.994 and , then our share of Scope three is just going to continue to grow and those 00:15:37.994 --> 00:15:39.764 complexities will continue to grow. 00:15:40.099 --> 00:15:43.669 But therefore we'll also start to reduce in those areas as 00:15:43.669 --> 00:15:45.049 scope one and two reduces. 00:15:45.049 --> 00:15:48.529 So it's all very interconnected and procurement is really, it's 00:15:48.529 --> 00:15:52.189 a pivotal, it's a pivotal piece of making, making those changes. 00:15:52.189 --> 00:15:55.759 But the, all of the different functions across the company need to be able to, 00:15:55.909 --> 00:15:57.769 to work together to meet those goals. 00:15:58.295 --> 00:15:58.985 victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Yeah, makes a 00:15:59.143 --> 00:16:00.648 Jennifer Jewson: I and, and May, sorry. 00:16:00.648 --> 00:16:05.328 Maybe one thing to add to that too that I think is very important is that of our 00:16:05.328 --> 00:16:07.368 suppliers are also our customers, right? 00:16:07.368 --> 00:16:11.808 And so there is this interconnectivity that we see and, and I think 00:16:11.808 --> 00:16:14.568 Danielle said it very well, I think sustainable procurement is one 00:16:14.568 --> 00:16:18.498 piece of the puzzle, but how you communicate across an organization is. 00:16:19.438 --> 00:16:20.188 very important. 00:16:20.188 --> 00:16:23.788 And so I'm gonna make a pitch for one other thing with TFS, and 00:16:23.788 --> 00:16:25.318 that's our TFS Academy, right? 00:16:25.318 --> 00:16:30.058 We have learnings that people to understand sustainability and 00:16:30.058 --> 00:16:31.918 really learn through those modules. 00:16:32.398 --> 00:16:36.058 What we've done at LyondellBasell, we, we've taken a lot of those 00:16:36.058 --> 00:16:37.618 learnings and we make sure. 00:16:38.023 --> 00:16:42.943 That the, that the same messaging is very seamless to our customers as well. 00:16:42.943 --> 00:16:47.473 So we are speaking and using the same terminology and making 00:16:47.473 --> 00:16:49.993 sure we're educating across the board because, you know. 00:16:51.493 --> 00:16:54.913 At the end, you really have to make sure that you've got really good visibility 00:16:54.913 --> 00:16:56.833 to the end-to-end value chain, right? 00:16:56.833 --> 00:17:01.453 Because our customers so let's, a lot of what we do is B2B, but we've gotta 00:17:01.453 --> 00:17:05.923 make sure our customers are talking to their customers in a very similar light. 00:17:06.283 --> 00:17:11.173 As we look at how does value transfer down that end-to-end value chain? 00:17:12.050 --> 00:17:13.040 victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: it's, it's complex. 00:17:13.040 --> 00:17:15.830 And I even just think about when you guys talk about Scope three 00:17:15.830 --> 00:17:20.210 and Jen, you talk about 78 to 80%, which is, yeah, that makes 00:17:20.353 --> 00:17:20.643 Jennifer Jewson: Okay. 00:17:20.750 --> 00:17:21.200 victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: 'cause if I 00:17:21.313 --> 00:17:21.603 Jennifer Jewson: Yeah. 00:17:22.115 --> 00:17:26.375 victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Draw a box around my household, personal scope 00:17:26.375 --> 00:17:29.135 three emissions have to be more than 80%. 00:17:29.135 --> 00:17:29.975 I don't know what they are. 00:17:30.245 --> 00:17:33.485 Um, I mean, I know there's tools out there that'll do the math for you, but it's 00:17:33.485 --> 00:17:39.035 like, yeah, if we just look at it, all of, it's about how we procure, how we utilize 00:17:39.275 --> 00:17:44.639 sustainably at a corporate level, at a personal level, and across industries. 00:17:45.159 --> 00:17:48.549 so I'm gonna, you started talking about the academy and you, you've also 00:17:48.549 --> 00:17:54.729 talked about how, frankly, how quickly you guys have both gotten up to speed. 00:17:55.209 --> 00:17:59.769 Let's talk about what TFS maybe offers for its members and new members. 00:17:59.799 --> 00:18:02.919 'cause both of you are, and your companies are actively engaged, 00:18:02.919 --> 00:18:08.079 but when, when somebody joins TFS, how do they get onboarded? 00:18:08.109 --> 00:18:11.979 What resources are available and what kind of support is there to make? 00:18:12.579 --> 00:18:16.159 Their, venture into sustainable procurement effective. 00:18:16.635 --> 00:18:19.725 Jennifer Jewson: there are prepackaged things, so like the TFS Academy, 00:18:19.725 --> 00:18:23.745 which I think is incredibly helpful so that you are educating folks and 00:18:23.745 --> 00:18:28.575 so, and so one of the things that we did for us, and I'm gonna talk about 00:18:28.575 --> 00:18:30.045 the other offerings in a minute, but. 00:18:30.645 --> 00:18:34.185 We have what we call an ambassador program, so sustainable, 00:18:34.365 --> 00:18:35.895 our sustainable procurement. 00:18:36.705 --> 00:18:40.725 have folks that sit all through the organization, so we have procurement 00:18:40.725 --> 00:18:44.745 people that drive sustainable procurement, but we also have members 00:18:44.745 --> 00:18:47.925 of our businesses and supply chain and others that are ambassadors 00:18:47.925 --> 00:18:49.935 so that they hear what we hear. 00:18:49.935 --> 00:18:54.465 So when they communicate outward to their organizations, again, we're 00:18:54.465 --> 00:18:55.995 all in lockstep with each other. 00:18:55.995 --> 00:19:00.107 But we do, we have certain goals and objectives, and we all have targets. 00:19:00.107 --> 00:19:03.107 So Danielle will have targets for ion, we have targets for tf, uh, 00:19:03.107 --> 00:19:07.457 for line elba cell, but how many suppliers we're assessing, right? 00:19:07.457 --> 00:19:10.847 And there, there, it's again, I'm gonna go back to governance and structure, right? 00:19:10.847 --> 00:19:14.357 So that your data is trust, trustworthy, good data, right? 00:19:14.357 --> 00:19:14.717 So. 00:19:15.185 --> 00:19:17.105 know, are you assessing your suppliers? 00:19:17.465 --> 00:19:18.035 TFS? 00:19:18.035 --> 00:19:22.565 We also audit certain suppliers that we think could be potentially at re at risk. 00:19:22.955 --> 00:19:26.285 The nice thing about the audits is we work with a supplier. 00:19:26.285 --> 00:19:28.055 We don't just say, okay, you have problems. 00:19:28.055 --> 00:19:29.045 You need to go fix 'em. 00:19:29.375 --> 00:19:32.585 We actually have corrective action plans to say, Hey, here's some 00:19:32.585 --> 00:19:35.705 suggestions that could help you so you don't have to reinvent the 00:19:35.705 --> 00:19:36.845 wheel, and we're here for you. 00:19:36.845 --> 00:19:39.215 We want you to come along with us on the journey. 00:19:39.215 --> 00:19:39.515 So. 00:19:40.030 --> 00:19:41.380 So there's those things. 00:19:41.590 --> 00:19:44.860 The thing that is actually, I think that a lot of us spend a lot of time 00:19:44.860 --> 00:19:47.590 on, including probably Danielle, is the product carbon footprint. 00:19:47.590 --> 00:19:49.657 Because as we said, Very complex, right? 00:19:49.657 --> 00:19:53.970 So, we've worked together to look at, and not reinventing the wheel, but 00:19:53.970 --> 00:19:57.760 taking the greenhouse gas protocol and figuring out like how do we create 00:19:57.760 --> 00:20:03.150 guidelines, that help people if there are options of how to calculate. 00:20:03.940 --> 00:20:07.780 things that maybe make more sense for our industry to drive consistency. 00:20:07.780 --> 00:20:08.080 Right. 00:20:08.080 --> 00:20:13.330 So, and, and maybe I'll stop on the last piece of it and that is, okay, how do I 00:20:13.330 --> 00:20:17.350 calculate my data, which is fundamentally foundationally the most important. 00:20:17.770 --> 00:20:22.960 But then how do we figure out how to share the data in a thoughtful way? 00:20:23.140 --> 00:20:27.040 And some companies are okay with sharing some of their data, some are not yet. 00:20:27.040 --> 00:20:29.410 So how do we, how do we navigate this? 00:20:29.410 --> 00:20:30.880 Because I think this is still. 00:20:31.750 --> 00:20:34.180 of this is still growing and we're still learning from it. 00:20:34.210 --> 00:20:38.140 And again, I think it comes back to it's so great to have collective 00:20:38.140 --> 00:20:43.360 organization because it, it allows us to share and decide at the end maybe 00:20:43.360 --> 00:20:47.470 what, what we think might make the most sense for us as an organization. 00:20:47.477 --> 00:20:47.777 victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Yeah. 00:20:48.077 --> 00:20:52.437 Are you guys able to actually share data or, you know, you talk about 00:20:52.497 --> 00:20:58.167 audits, is that something that can be shared across companies inside of TFS 00:20:58.407 --> 00:21:01.407 or is it more that it's a standard process 00:21:01.707 --> 00:21:03.177 for auditing that gets shared? 00:21:03.412 --> 00:21:03.802 Speaker: Yeah. 00:21:03.802 --> 00:21:10.102 TFS has, we have our own audit that is performed by verified and 00:21:10.102 --> 00:21:12.322 approved third party auditors. 00:21:12.622 --> 00:21:14.752 Um, and we ha we go through. 00:21:15.137 --> 00:21:19.217 All the different types of data privacy, uh, before any of the suppliers that 00:21:19.217 --> 00:21:20.927 are approached go through this audit. 00:21:21.167 --> 00:21:25.727 And TFS has a platform that's a shared platform with the TFS community. 00:21:25.907 --> 00:21:30.317 So that really, to Jen's point earlier where we're reducing the workload, right? 00:21:30.317 --> 00:21:30.767 So. 00:21:30.857 --> 00:21:32.477 Lots of us are all interconnected. 00:21:32.477 --> 00:21:34.337 Lots of us share similar suppliers. 00:21:34.337 --> 00:21:39.317 So if one TFS company asks a supplier to go through an audit, another, they're 00:21:39.317 --> 00:21:43.727 not going to have to do it again for another TFS company because it'll be on 00:21:43.727 --> 00:21:48.427 a shared platform that is data protected, and goes through the correct antitrust 00:21:48.427 --> 00:21:50.767 processes before any data is shared. 00:21:51.037 --> 00:21:52.327 So it really does help. 00:21:52.617 --> 00:21:55.047 And to, to add on to, to Jen's. 00:21:55.137 --> 00:22:00.387 Moving back to the PCF calculations, not only does TFS have the, the PCF 00:22:00.387 --> 00:22:05.047 guidelines published, but there's also a data exchange platform called Sea Green. 00:22:05.347 --> 00:22:10.807 Um, and that really, it's, it's helping companies create a standardized way 00:22:10.807 --> 00:22:12.662 to share this data in a similar. 00:22:13.402 --> 00:22:15.382 Format in a similar place. 00:22:15.602 --> 00:22:18.932 I think that all of us could probably relate to all the different types of 00:22:18.932 --> 00:22:23.837 Excel spreadsheets, through emails, all the different types of NDAs, CDAs 00:22:23.842 --> 00:22:27.632 that we need to go through as all of us are maturing in this space and 00:22:27.632 --> 00:22:30.092 understand what data is okay to share. 00:22:30.392 --> 00:22:32.852 And like Jen said, which companies are not okay to share. 00:22:33.062 --> 00:22:37.862 So this platform right now, we're piloting using the platform and are seeing a 00:22:37.862 --> 00:22:40.142 lot of, of, of good use cases for it. 00:22:40.382 --> 00:22:44.672 So as more companies become familiar with it and share, I think it'll be a really 00:22:44.672 --> 00:22:50.282 good way to standardize data exchange, um, and, and try and alleviate some of 00:22:50.282 --> 00:22:54.032 those, some of those Excel spreadsheets that we all are just too familiar with. 00:22:55.827 --> 00:22:57.477 victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Well, and I I think that's excellent. 00:22:57.477 --> 00:23:01.407 'cause it, it is a challenge and Right, and when and when you're running these 00:23:01.407 --> 00:23:06.627 things on Excel or you ask the question slightly differently, who's answering? 00:23:06.627 --> 00:23:07.737 How is it answered? 00:23:08.127 --> 00:23:10.257 It can get interpreted in a lot of different ways. 00:23:10.257 --> 00:23:15.237 And I think just the consistency of standards, consistency of data. 00:23:15.267 --> 00:23:18.057 And to your point, let's be efficient with this. 00:23:18.057 --> 00:23:20.067 Like we don't need 50 companies. 00:23:20.387 --> 00:23:23.597 Asking a supplier the exact same thing. 00:23:24.047 --> 00:23:28.637 Ask it once, manage it appropriately, and share appropriately because 00:23:28.637 --> 00:23:29.837 it's the same information. 00:23:30.153 --> 00:23:34.023 So it seems like the industry and the public, um, and certainly 00:23:34.143 --> 00:23:38.373 government is, we're in a period of flux on sustainability, right? 00:23:38.373 --> 00:23:42.813 And, and I think of it as we've gone from sustainability with a big s with 00:23:42.813 --> 00:23:48.483 these big giant promises, um, down to sustainability with a little s where 00:23:48.483 --> 00:23:52.833 it's just about being sustainable and having sustainable practices. 00:23:53.133 --> 00:23:56.763 Um, and I, you know, we've even seen across the chemical industry, 00:23:57.066 --> 00:24:00.606 Projects getting delayed that had a high sustainability component. 00:24:00.636 --> 00:24:01.896 Other things moving forward. 00:24:01.956 --> 00:24:05.556 And I think this whole space that we're in a lot right now is a lot around 00:24:05.556 --> 00:24:09.526 strategic discipline, doing the right thing, step by step, to get there. 00:24:10.336 --> 00:24:16.576 How does this factor into your companies and your work with TFS in terms of, are 00:24:16.576 --> 00:24:21.436 your customers still and stakeholders still prioritizing sustainability? 00:24:22.016 --> 00:24:23.846 Is this something that you guys are still focused on? 00:24:23.846 --> 00:24:28.076 And obviously you're here today and we're talking about it, but, but how, how 00:24:28.076 --> 00:24:31.646 has the narrative changed and where is the narrative today around that for you 00:24:31.646 --> 00:24:32.096 guys? 00:24:32.682 --> 00:24:35.452 Speaker: Yeah, we're really looking at it, you know, from a, a. 00:24:36.027 --> 00:24:40.497 Business opportunity and growth perspective, and again, integrating it 00:24:40.497 --> 00:24:42.567 into our day-to-day business practices. 00:24:42.847 --> 00:24:45.787 You know, sustainability, it, the biggest, the little less, it's 00:24:45.787 --> 00:24:47.587 not a trend, it's here to stay. 00:24:47.837 --> 00:24:51.587 And again, like we've mentioned, like the definition might change over time, but 00:24:51.587 --> 00:24:54.287 it's a, it's future proofing business. 00:24:54.437 --> 00:24:58.457 And, you know, if companies are approaching that with the 00:24:58.457 --> 00:25:02.027 right mindset, it'll really be a strategic differentiator. 00:25:02.387 --> 00:25:06.607 When going out to market, not every market, like you mentioned, there 00:25:06.607 --> 00:25:09.907 is some projects that are paused or delayed, but there are new 00:25:09.907 --> 00:25:11.977 projects that are coming up to speed. 00:25:12.247 --> 00:25:13.957 Um, you know, and so that pipeline I. 00:25:13.957 --> 00:25:16.387 think is going to continue to change and evolve. 00:25:16.777 --> 00:25:21.607 But regular regulatory pressures are going to continue to arise, um, 00:25:21.607 --> 00:25:25.087 and companies are going to have to stand tall and rise to the occasion. 00:25:25.267 --> 00:25:30.570 It's really thinking strategically about how do we change or revise our 00:25:30.570 --> 00:25:35.235 approach to sustainability to do that in a smart and uh, methodical matter. 00:25:35.983 --> 00:25:38.438 Jennifer Jewson: Yeah, and, and I agree with Danielle a hundred percent. 00:25:38.468 --> 00:25:41.648 I think playing a long game here, right? 00:25:41.708 --> 00:25:43.778 And I think, I think today. 00:25:44.224 --> 00:25:47.104 the chemical industry is going through a downturn, which does 00:25:47.104 --> 00:25:48.694 make it a lot more challenging. 00:25:48.763 --> 00:25:49.633 this will pass. 00:25:49.633 --> 00:25:52.183 It's, it's, our industry is cyclical. 00:25:52.183 --> 00:25:55.963 It will, it will, it will, we will get back up, up to, to 00:25:55.963 --> 00:25:57.253 the upper end of the cycle. 00:25:57.853 --> 00:25:58.853 I, I, think too, that. 00:25:59.398 --> 00:26:02.728 sometimes you have to go slow to go faster later. 00:26:03.088 --> 00:26:05.968 And this may be just part of the maturity process. 00:26:05.968 --> 00:26:07.858 This is not an easy problem to solve. 00:26:07.858 --> 00:26:08.188 Right. 00:26:08.188 --> 00:26:10.918 And regions think about things differently. 00:26:10.918 --> 00:26:15.418 So, and most of our companies ship globally, so how do you think about 00:26:15.478 --> 00:26:19.798 like, how do we get to this point where we are understanding what are 00:26:19.798 --> 00:26:23.008 the rules of engagement for each of the regions to drive these things? 00:26:23.623 --> 00:26:27.600 Different governments think differently and all of that, so, I don't consider 00:26:27.600 --> 00:26:31.840 this, a negative yes, I, we all wish we were moving a little bit faster. 00:26:31.840 --> 00:26:36.430 But I do think this is part, probably part of the maturity process and I agree with 00:26:36.430 --> 00:26:38.380 Danielle, it, it will be a differentiator. 00:26:38.710 --> 00:26:42.850 We wanna make sure that we, we deserve the right to operate because we are 00:26:42.850 --> 00:26:44.495 doing the right things for our customers. 00:26:45.475 --> 00:26:50.715 I also think too that, I do a lot of university recruiting and when I go 00:26:50.715 --> 00:26:55.095 and talk to the folks about coming into our industry, the first thing 00:26:55.095 --> 00:26:56.955 they ask me is about sustainability. 00:26:57.285 --> 00:27:00.615 So it is on the hearts and minds of the newer generation that will 00:27:00.615 --> 00:27:02.895 become part of the workforce today. 00:27:02.895 --> 00:27:06.555 What they don't have is disposable income, but they will, right. 00:27:06.555 --> 00:27:08.325 They will, they'll come into the industry. 00:27:08.325 --> 00:27:12.045 And so I do think that, as the generations change. 00:27:12.315 --> 00:27:15.285 I do think you will see a shift on how people buy. 00:27:15.555 --> 00:27:18.945 So I constantly say it's not if it's just when. 00:27:19.245 --> 00:27:22.845 And so if it, if it takes us a little longer to get these 00:27:22.845 --> 00:27:25.545 projects moving, maybe that's okay. 00:27:26.025 --> 00:27:30.195 Um, because you have to understand what is the value proposition at the 00:27:30.195 --> 00:27:31.935 end of the day and the risk level. 00:27:32.205 --> 00:27:35.925 And, and Danielle said it earlier and I agree a hundred percent on the risk piece. 00:27:36.285 --> 00:27:41.535 We are gonna go back to our industry is very hard to abate and very costly. 00:27:41.775 --> 00:27:46.305 And if you're really gonna put hundreds of millions of dollars into something, 00:27:47.175 --> 00:27:50.415 you gotta be right that you're gonna get something out the other side. 00:27:50.415 --> 00:27:54.165 And so if it takes a little bit of time to get to that 00:27:54.165 --> 00:27:55.395 maturity level, I think that's. 00:27:56.102 --> 00:27:57.382 victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Yeah, I love that. 00:27:57.382 --> 00:28:00.742 And I do think you're right, this, it is a long game and I think some 00:28:00.742 --> 00:28:06.112 of the, early promises and goals and, and things that, targets that 00:28:06.112 --> 00:28:10.017 were set around sustainability and greenhouse gas reductions, et cetera. 00:28:10.567 --> 00:28:15.037 aspirational and yes, and you need to shoot for those aspirations, but 00:28:15.037 --> 00:28:18.547 all of a sudden you start realizing, oh, this is really, really hard. 00:28:18.577 --> 00:28:20.347 And, and we've moved a long way. 00:28:20.347 --> 00:28:25.597 I, um, I spoke with Bonnie Tulley last year from Ivo, I remember one of the 00:28:25.597 --> 00:28:30.217 things she said is, you know, in the seventies, clean air and clean water 00:28:30.247 --> 00:28:31.867 and the Clean Air Act, which came out. 00:28:32.277 --> 00:28:35.577 Think late seventies, early eighties, that was a big deal. 00:28:35.637 --> 00:28:38.217 And yet today it's table stakes. 00:28:38.217 --> 00:28:43.617 Of course, we focus on clean air and clean water, and then if we look ahead to 00:28:43.617 --> 00:28:46.347 where we are today in 2025, we go to 2030. 00:28:46.767 --> 00:28:50.187 Of course, sustainability and sustainable practices and 00:28:50.187 --> 00:28:52.947 sustainable procurement makes sense. 00:28:53.007 --> 00:28:56.787 It becomes table stakes and, and it is a long journey that we're on. 00:28:57.893 --> 00:29:00.113 improvement, uh, et cetera, all of that. 00:29:00.443 --> 00:29:05.033 So this is, you know, we're, we're kind of wrapping here at the end. 00:29:05.783 --> 00:29:06.293 questions. 00:29:06.293 --> 00:29:10.270 Question one is, just as it relates to TFS, obviously there's 50 00:29:10.270 --> 00:29:12.700 companies, there's room for more. 00:29:14.170 --> 00:29:17.740 and, you know, what's your advice to companies that are considering it 00:29:18.010 --> 00:29:19.960 and how do they get involved in TFS? 00:29:20.878 --> 00:29:23.548 Jennifer Jewson: So I, so we do have a process to join. 00:29:23.618 --> 00:29:26.528 And you know, and honestly it is a, it's a, it's a pretty 00:29:26.528 --> 00:29:28.028 thorough screening process, right? 00:29:28.028 --> 00:29:28.478 Because. 00:29:29.303 --> 00:29:32.453 It, it's important for us to make sure that people that want to 00:29:32.453 --> 00:29:35.123 join, you know, want to lean in. 00:29:35.123 --> 00:29:36.893 And Danielle's a perfect example, right? 00:29:36.953 --> 00:29:39.893 They joined in 23, she's already the regional lead. 00:29:40.073 --> 00:29:41.843 She's doing great things from her side. 00:29:41.873 --> 00:29:44.693 That that is, we want that energy and enthusiasm. 00:29:44.873 --> 00:29:46.253 And why is that the case? 00:29:46.523 --> 00:29:48.653 It's because it's a member led company. 00:29:49.193 --> 00:29:52.403 So it's not about putting the TFS logo on your website. 00:29:52.433 --> 00:29:54.923 We really want people, we wanna understand. 00:29:55.703 --> 00:29:57.353 mature are you in this process? 00:29:57.413 --> 00:29:58.883 What is your ambition? 00:29:59.093 --> 00:30:02.903 And really are, are you ready to lean in and really work with us? 00:30:02.903 --> 00:30:03.143 Right? 00:30:03.143 --> 00:30:07.673 Because that is how we, we make a difference in this, in this organization. 00:30:08.093 --> 00:30:11.213 And so, you know, those are the things we ask people. 00:30:11.213 --> 00:30:15.053 And so, you know, if you're interested, we'd love to have you and talk to 00:30:15.053 --> 00:30:17.393 you about it, but realize like. 00:30:17.723 --> 00:30:21.353 You, you have to put the sweat equity into this organization. 00:30:21.443 --> 00:30:22.253 You know, because 00:30:22.403 --> 00:30:24.113 we're only here today because 00:30:24.113 --> 00:30:25.673 of the strength of the, of the member 00:30:25.673 --> 00:30:26.363 base. 00:30:26.630 --> 00:30:27.235 victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: I love that. 00:30:27.310 --> 00:30:31.510 Speaker: it really is member led and you know, we all have our day jobs 00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:34.420 and we all have to react, right? 00:30:34.420 --> 00:30:38.020 And we understand what the current environment is with 00:30:38.020 --> 00:30:39.430 this, the sustainability word. 00:30:39.430 --> 00:30:43.780 But when you come to the, TFS meetings, uh, you know, we do have in-person 00:30:43.780 --> 00:30:45.940 annual workshops the energy because. 00:30:46.280 --> 00:30:47.300 the the members that. 00:30:47.300 --> 00:30:50.810 are part of this organization are so passionate about the topic 00:30:51.050 --> 00:30:53.260 and so, they wanna drive change. 00:30:53.290 --> 00:30:57.940 And it is a, a safe space with all of the antitrust that's in place to 00:30:57.940 --> 00:31:02.770 really have positive conversations and interactions and networking to be able 00:31:02.770 --> 00:31:07.990 to come to, to solutions that, you know, might make sense in today's state 00:31:08.260 --> 00:31:10.060 to, to be able to make a difference. 00:31:10.060 --> 00:31:10.750 And so, you. 00:31:10.750 --> 00:31:12.640 know, we actually, we have that event coming up. 00:31:12.990 --> 00:31:16.560 And I'm really looking forward to seeing my peers and my colleagues and to be 00:31:16.560 --> 00:31:18.660 able to, to have that energy again. 00:31:18.870 --> 00:31:22.440 So if there's companies out there that, you know, you have those people in your 00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:26.310 organizations that are really passionate about this topic, it is a great outlet 00:31:26.310 --> 00:31:28.020 to get involved and make things happen. 00:31:28.381 --> 00:31:28.651 victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Love it. 00:31:28.651 --> 00:31:28.951 Love it. 00:31:29.101 --> 00:31:31.531 And I think this is actually a great place to wrap. 00:31:31.801 --> 00:31:32.971 So thank you. 00:31:32.971 --> 00:31:35.611 Um, thank you ladies for joining me today on The Chemical Show. 00:31:35.611 --> 00:31:37.711 I've really enjoyed talking with both of 00:31:37.711 --> 00:31:41.071 you, learning about you, and learning more about TFS together for 00:31:41.071 --> 00:31:41.881 sustainability. 00:31:42.227 --> 00:31:42.557 Speaker: Thank you. 00:31:42.557 --> 00:31:43.187 so much. 00:31:43.818 --> 00:31:45.798 victoria_1_10-09-2025_090526: Yeah, and thanks everyone for joining. 00:31:45.798 --> 00:31:48.858 Keep following, keep listening, keep sharing, and we will 00:31:48.858 --> 00:31:50.328 talk with you again soon.