WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:08.310 --> 00:00:09.450 I'm Travis Spader. 00:00:09.660 --> 00:00:12.510 And this is the Silvercore Podcast. 00:00:13.959 --> 00:00:17.910 Silvercore has been providing its members with a skills and knowledge 00:00:17.910 --> 00:00:22.620 necessary to be confident and proficient in the outdoors for over 20 years. 00:00:22.680 --> 00:00:27.120 And we make it easier for people to deepen their connection to the natural world. 00:00:27.720 --> 00:00:32.310 If you enjoy the positive and educational content we provide, please 00:00:32.400 --> 00:00:34.770 let others know by sharing common. 00:00:35.240 --> 00:00:39.620 And following so that you can join in on everything that's Silvercore stands for. 00:00:40.700 --> 00:00:43.310 If you'd like to learn more about becoming a member of the 00:00:43.310 --> 00:00:48.250 Silvercore Club and community, visit our website at silvercore.ca 00:01:07.460 --> 00:01:10.970 I'm joined again by one stalls co-owner and larger than life. 00:01:10.970 --> 00:01:13.520 Social media personality, Matt Mendell. 00:01:13.760 --> 00:01:15.950 For those new to the Silvercore Podcast. 00:01:16.170 --> 00:01:19.880 Make sure to check out episode 59, where Matt lays out a roadmap for 00:01:19.880 --> 00:01:24.020 anyone wishing to thrive in the niche industry, particularly that a fire. 00:01:24.870 --> 00:01:25.320 Matt. 00:01:25.380 --> 00:01:26.160 Welcome back. 00:01:26.220 --> 00:01:28.800 Thanks for having me, you know, I was toying around with the intro. 00:01:28.830 --> 00:01:31.290 The other intro I was thinking of was something along the lines of 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:35.460 integrity, quality service, magic. 00:01:36.030 --> 00:01:38.400 These are just some of the words used to describe one. 00:01:38.800 --> 00:01:39.330 You man. 00:01:40.380 --> 00:01:42.810 Uh, of course I stole that from one of your commercials, 00:01:42.990 --> 00:01:43.380 for sure. 00:01:43.380 --> 00:01:43.590 Yeah. 00:01:43.610 --> 00:01:43.850 Yeah. 00:01:43.890 --> 00:01:44.490 We love doing 00:01:44.490 --> 00:01:44.790 those. 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:48.630 And I was looking, I think soapbox industries, are they, 00:01:48.690 --> 00:01:49.620 were they helping you out with this? 00:01:49.650 --> 00:01:52.320 Soapbox does a lot of the filming and editing actually 00:01:52.320 --> 00:01:53.280 all the filming and editing. 00:01:53.520 --> 00:01:53.700 Yeah. 00:01:54.360 --> 00:01:54.990 It's amazing. 00:01:54.990 --> 00:01:57.570 If anyone wants to watch some quality made. 00:01:58.619 --> 00:02:03.780 You to gun store advertisements, just type in one stalls into YouTube and you'll see 00:02:03.780 --> 00:02:05.190 all of their commercials are really funny. 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:05.460 Yeah. 00:02:05.460 --> 00:02:05.610 We 00:02:05.610 --> 00:02:07.620 just did a homage to a full house. 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:09.750 So that's the next one that we just 00:02:09.750 --> 00:02:10.020 dropped. 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:13.079 Yeah, you definitely have that retro vibe goal with them. 00:02:14.340 --> 00:02:16.769 So you were saying, look, we should get back on. 00:02:16.769 --> 00:02:18.030 We should get on the podcast. 00:02:18.030 --> 00:02:21.000 And then what, two days ago, you're like, so what are we going to talk about? 00:02:21.060 --> 00:02:21.500 Totally. 00:02:22.290 --> 00:02:25.050 We came up with this massive list of things. 00:02:25.050 --> 00:02:28.500 There's a number of things that I think the listeners would be very interested in. 00:02:28.500 --> 00:02:31.890 There's some things in the industry that are happening that are of interest. 00:02:32.250 --> 00:02:35.820 Uh, one of the things that I'm looking at is I'm trying to purchase 00:02:35.820 --> 00:02:39.360 ammo and I'm getting a harder and harder time trying to find it. 00:02:39.600 --> 00:02:39.930 Yeah. 00:02:40.140 --> 00:02:42.810 Can you tell me what's going on with ammo in the industry right now? 00:02:43.829 --> 00:02:48.290 I mean, we can start from kind of like the beginning of where, like this 00:02:48.300 --> 00:02:53.160 all kind of started, obviously at the beginning of the pandemic, um, you had 00:02:53.160 --> 00:02:55.530 the U S panic buying, literally every. 00:02:56.220 --> 00:03:00.149 Primer bullets piece of brass gunpowder, anything that went 00:03:00.149 --> 00:03:01.619 bang, the Americans were buying it. 00:03:02.190 --> 00:03:05.850 And we were quite lucky because, um, during the pandemic, because 00:03:05.850 --> 00:03:10.049 the ammo slated for Canada comes to Canada, it can't be rerouted back 00:03:10.049 --> 00:03:12.600 down to the states because of the type of labeling they have on it. 00:03:12.600 --> 00:03:12.779 And all. 00:03:14.455 --> 00:03:17.035 So we were quite lucky for that, but, uh, we were always sitting there 00:03:17.035 --> 00:03:19.945 saying, it's, it's going to come full circle eventually at some point. 00:03:20.065 --> 00:03:24.235 Um, and we were just waiting for the ball to drop and we really didn't 00:03:24.235 --> 00:03:28.825 notice it until, um, probably fall of this year hunting season or 00:03:29.185 --> 00:03:30.775 sorry, fall of 2021, I should say. 00:03:31.705 --> 00:03:36.115 Um, when all of a sudden we're looking at our stacks of ammunition downstairs 00:03:36.115 --> 00:03:39.835 and there was none left dwindling, dwindling, like, and we're talking 00:03:39.835 --> 00:03:43.945 about stuff as simple as like a box of like a Powershot blue box, 30 on six. 00:03:43.945 --> 00:03:48.505 That's like, you know, you can stop at any gas station pretty much in Canada. 00:03:48.745 --> 00:03:49.075 Right. 00:03:49.075 --> 00:03:51.295 And buy a box of, and we had none of it. 00:03:51.295 --> 00:03:53.155 So we're like, oh, we'll just go to the distributors. 00:03:53.455 --> 00:03:55.845 You know, like we must have been not paying attention or something. 00:03:56.165 --> 00:03:58.225 And then you go to the distributor and there's nothing. 00:03:58.825 --> 00:04:00.655 And there was nothing for a long time. 00:04:01.315 --> 00:04:02.395 And then we got really nervous. 00:04:02.395 --> 00:04:06.895 So we went, um, for a few months, they're kind of like buying 00:04:06.895 --> 00:04:07.945 what we could and how we can. 00:04:09.300 --> 00:04:14.730 Then we went for booking season this year, which happens pretty 00:04:14.730 --> 00:04:17.070 much December to January. 00:04:17.190 --> 00:04:20.040 Uh, that's where we book all of our products, what we think 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:21.120 we're going to sell for the year. 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:21.570 Right. 00:04:22.170 --> 00:04:26.910 Um, and ammo just went up for flat out, just went up 00:04:27.060 --> 00:04:29.340 anywhere between 40 to 50% cost. 00:04:29.730 --> 00:04:30.240 Whoa. 00:04:30.330 --> 00:04:34.200 Uh, and that's just straight up because there's such an insane 00:04:34.200 --> 00:04:35.640 demand in the states to fill. 00:04:36.090 --> 00:04:40.470 And Canada is always a second thought when it comes to us manufacturing. 00:04:40.590 --> 00:04:43.830 So is that still panic buying leftover in the states from COVID 00:04:43.830 --> 00:04:44.940 or is there anything they're just 00:04:44.940 --> 00:04:45.870 trying to restock? 00:04:45.900 --> 00:04:48.450 Well, I don't know if that I don't live there, so I don't know. 00:04:48.630 --> 00:04:52.350 I'm sure some states are still panic buying for some reason or another, 00:04:52.350 --> 00:04:57.270 but they're trying to just stock the distributor shelves in the states so that, 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:01.860 you know, gun stores in the states can call and say, I need a blue case of blue 00:05:01.860 --> 00:05:04.410 box 30 on six when they haven't had any. 00:05:05.460 --> 00:05:08.940 God knows how long, you know, 3, 4, 2 years essentially. 00:05:09.750 --> 00:05:14.490 Um, so yeah, that's been where what's been going on there and we have just 00:05:14.490 --> 00:05:16.620 seen an absolute, insane spike and pre. 00:05:17.730 --> 00:05:20.430 I, you know, when you talk with panic buying in the states, I 00:05:20.430 --> 00:05:23.610 remember I was at Smith and Western academy a number of years ago. 00:05:23.640 --> 00:05:29.430 And this was when, uh, I think it was Obama was getting elected in and 00:05:29.460 --> 00:05:32.670 there's a lot of panic buying there because everyone figured all mom was 00:05:32.670 --> 00:05:33.780 going to get rid of all the guns. 00:05:33.810 --> 00:05:36.810 And I remember there was one police officer on the course and he said, 00:05:36.830 --> 00:05:37.620 Hey, you want to see something? 00:05:37.620 --> 00:05:38.280 Look what I bought. 00:05:38.580 --> 00:05:39.960 That was just two to three. 00:05:40.020 --> 00:05:45.719 And he has pallets and pallets of two to three delivered by truck into his garage. 00:05:45.750 --> 00:05:46.620 And he's like, I'm getting 00:05:46.620 --> 00:05:46.950 ready. 00:05:46.980 --> 00:05:47.039 Yeah. 00:05:47.070 --> 00:05:47.400 Yeah. 00:05:47.430 --> 00:05:50.280 That's the American, that's the American way of doing things, right. 00:05:50.280 --> 00:05:53.820 That's why, like, you know, I think what was the F the famous saying when, 00:05:53.850 --> 00:05:57.270 uh, you know, Japan was asked why they didn't invade America is because there'd 00:05:57.270 --> 00:06:01.020 be a, a rifle behind every blade of grass or whatever they said, you know, 00:06:01.020 --> 00:06:02.909 later, and it's a hundred percent true. 00:06:02.909 --> 00:06:05.190 And, um, you know, you had the double whammy, right? 00:06:05.190 --> 00:06:09.570 Because there was the Trump election and then, or the lack of Trump election. 00:06:09.930 --> 00:06:14.015 Um, and, um, Joe Biden got in there. 00:06:14.045 --> 00:06:17.765 And then, you know, you couple that with a global pandemic 00:06:18.635 --> 00:06:20.854 and then the war right now, and Ukraine, which is 00:06:21.185 --> 00:06:22.145 on everyone's minds. 00:06:22.414 --> 00:06:25.354 It'll be interesting to see what happens in that regard too, because that's, 00:06:25.835 --> 00:06:29.585 you know, what the, what the states does there in regards to how their 00:06:30.275 --> 00:06:32.344 populous will be purchasing AML, right. 00:06:32.344 --> 00:06:32.855 Regardless 00:06:32.855 --> 00:06:36.275 of there's an impact or not, the psychology of a possible 00:06:36.275 --> 00:06:37.835 impact creates an impact. 00:06:37.895 --> 00:06:38.255 Exactly. 00:06:39.305 --> 00:06:43.085 I would like to say, you know, one kind of funny thing there back in our, uh, 00:06:43.115 --> 00:06:48.965 when we were on Canadian gun that's, um, we put out a, uh, uh, kind of 00:06:48.965 --> 00:06:50.495 like a public service announcement. 00:06:50.705 --> 00:06:53.135 Um, I think in maybe. 00:06:54.885 --> 00:06:59.265 I want to say February of last year, and we just said, Hey, you know, everybody, 00:06:59.265 --> 00:07:02.955 this is just letting you know, this is the trend that we're currently seeing between, 00:07:03.344 --> 00:07:05.865 uh, importing, distribution, and retail. 00:07:05.865 --> 00:07:09.135 Like you're going to see very soon, you're going to see a massive spike. 00:07:10.125 --> 00:07:12.195 Um, I'm sure that was well-received. 00:07:12.284 --> 00:07:14.475 Oh yeah, no, everyone just said we're just a bunch of price, 00:07:14.475 --> 00:07:16.665 gouging jerks and blah, blah, blah. 00:07:16.995 --> 00:07:18.555 And then it was funny. 00:07:18.555 --> 00:07:19.515 So that threaded. 00:07:20.094 --> 00:07:20.815 Fell apart. 00:07:20.815 --> 00:07:24.685 And everyone was, you know, had their point to say about us. 00:07:25.284 --> 00:07:28.615 And then when it actually started happening, other retailers 00:07:28.615 --> 00:07:29.635 started doing the same thing. 00:07:29.635 --> 00:07:32.815 And then the response was all, thank you so much for, you know, you'll 00:07:32.825 --> 00:07:36.055 be in such a straight up love with us and we appreciate it so much. 00:07:36.055 --> 00:07:36.715 So yeah. 00:07:37.055 --> 00:07:40.195 You ever get, give the temptation just to go back and repost it just 00:07:40.195 --> 00:07:41.495 like macro, what do they call it? 00:07:41.775 --> 00:07:41.914 That 00:07:41.965 --> 00:07:42.235 grows. 00:07:42.355 --> 00:07:42.655 Yeah. 00:07:42.655 --> 00:07:43.344 And that girl pose? 00:07:43.375 --> 00:07:44.034 No, not really. 00:07:44.065 --> 00:07:46.945 Well, we're not on there anymore, so we don't have access to it, but it's 00:07:46.945 --> 00:07:50.455 just like, it's a funny, it's just a funny, psychological thing, right. 00:07:50.455 --> 00:07:53.245 Where you're like, you know, you had best intentions and maybe it's 00:07:53.245 --> 00:07:56.905 the timing or how it's received, but yeah, it's, it was funny. 00:07:57.485 --> 00:08:00.055 I it's, it's the crowd mentality I find. 00:08:00.145 --> 00:08:03.955 And it's the crowd that you run with because once you start running in certain 00:08:03.955 --> 00:08:07.705 crowds and there's different online forums and different groups, even just within 00:08:07.705 --> 00:08:11.485 the shooting community and everything can be all doom and gloom and negativity. 00:08:12.390 --> 00:08:13.349 Or vice versa. 00:08:13.469 --> 00:08:16.739 And if you accidentally start finding yourself, dipping your toe 00:08:16.739 --> 00:08:19.619 in the waters of that doom and gloom inadvertently, cause you're like, 00:08:19.650 --> 00:08:20.429 oh, look at what they're doing. 00:08:20.429 --> 00:08:21.150 It looks kind of neat. 00:08:21.150 --> 00:08:22.500 Or these people look knowledgeable. 00:08:23.010 --> 00:08:27.419 If you're not self-aware and looking around, at some point you start, 00:08:28.289 --> 00:08:30.760 you start becoming susceptible to that same sort of thing. 00:08:31.080 --> 00:08:31.979 Yeah, exactly. 00:08:32.100 --> 00:08:35.620 And I don't think it's a bunch of bad people out there who just want to want 00:08:35.630 --> 00:08:39.510 to get after the, uh, the different gun stores or organizations or groups. 00:08:39.539 --> 00:08:43.319 But I do think just like the last couple of years have shown us the 00:08:43.439 --> 00:08:45.839 human nature in crowd mentality versus 00:08:46.110 --> 00:08:46.290 yeah. 00:08:46.290 --> 00:08:47.670 I mean, without a doubt, right? 00:08:47.670 --> 00:08:51.209 It's, it's easier to, you know, fall into a crowd than it is to be the 00:08:51.209 --> 00:08:54.689 one guy who stands out with, uh, with your own opinion and it's easily. 00:08:55.695 --> 00:09:00.735 You know, to have your negative, um, opinions of the whole situation reinforced 00:09:00.765 --> 00:09:05.565 when other people say that it's the right thing to do where you know, which, which 00:09:05.565 --> 00:09:09.915 I find really odd because firearms in general is typically an individualistic 00:09:09.915 --> 00:09:11.355 activity, a hundred percent. 00:09:11.505 --> 00:09:15.315 I mean, if you're looking for a group of individuals, look to the 00:09:15.315 --> 00:09:18.735 firearms industry and they might be on competitive shooting teams, they 00:09:18.735 --> 00:09:20.145 might all have shared interests. 00:09:20.175 --> 00:09:25.455 But at the core I find firearms owners in general are very individualistically 00:09:25.455 --> 00:09:29.445 minded, but it's funny when all of these individuals come together and without even 00:09:29.445 --> 00:09:32.445 realizing it becomes such a group thing. 00:09:32.475 --> 00:09:33.405 Yeah, exactly. 00:09:33.405 --> 00:09:33.525 Yeah. 00:09:34.540 --> 00:09:34.940 I, 00:09:35.130 --> 00:09:38.430 I remember doing a, we had an instructor course and we're training 00:09:38.430 --> 00:09:40.440 some new safety course instructors. 00:09:40.920 --> 00:09:45.180 And I said, you know, just, just for fun, like aside from firearms, 00:09:45.330 --> 00:09:46.380 what do you guys like to do? 00:09:47.040 --> 00:09:49.140 And one guy said, well, I love to scuba dive. 00:09:49.350 --> 00:09:49.740 Okay. 00:09:49.740 --> 00:09:53.580 And the guys said, well, I love, um, back country, Alpine touring. 00:09:53.700 --> 00:09:54.120 I love. 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:57.270 And all the things that they're listing off, there is one person 00:09:57.270 --> 00:10:00.240 who says, Hey, I enjoy gardening, which is a little different. 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:03.690 He was more, he was into hunting and, uh, and one guy said, 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:05.010 Hey, I like playing hockey. 00:10:05.160 --> 00:10:09.210 He was the only person in a class full of instructors who actually did 00:10:09.210 --> 00:10:11.370 something, which was team oriented. 00:10:11.400 --> 00:10:11.730 Yeah. 00:10:12.330 --> 00:10:16.830 I, um, yeah, just a funny observation of, of the community, 00:10:16.830 --> 00:10:18.120 a bunch of individual minded. 00:10:19.065 --> 00:10:27.255 People that I think would really benefit from, um, some team perspective. 00:10:27.405 --> 00:10:32.205 I mean, like how people can play together as a team to achieve a mutual goal. 00:10:32.385 --> 00:10:32.685 Yeah. 00:10:32.745 --> 00:10:35.835 That's a, I think that's probably a good lesson for the community at whole. 00:10:36.435 --> 00:10:37.035 Probably get a lot 00:10:37.035 --> 00:10:37.305 done. 00:10:37.575 --> 00:10:37.935 Yeah. 00:10:37.995 --> 00:10:40.245 And you know what I can't say, I'm not susceptible to it. 00:10:41.405 --> 00:10:42.795 I'm individual minded as well. 00:10:42.795 --> 00:10:45.795 And I always have to take a step back and start looking like, okay, 00:10:45.825 --> 00:10:47.235 what's best for the industry. 00:10:47.745 --> 00:10:50.565 What's best for the macro the longterm. 00:10:50.565 --> 00:10:54.645 Cause when I look at certain things, I can, I can see some things where industry 00:10:54.645 --> 00:11:00.325 can make some good money quickly, but I don't see a long-term benefit to it 00:11:00.345 --> 00:11:02.595 in consequently we'll steer away from 00:11:02.595 --> 00:11:03.435 that for sure. 00:11:03.435 --> 00:11:03.615 Yeah. 00:11:03.615 --> 00:11:08.175 Without a doubt, there's a, there's been lots of examples of that in the industry 00:11:08.835 --> 00:11:18.360 as a whole, where as you know, you know, some retailers will, um, They confuse 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:22.290 success with, um, number in sales. 00:11:22.350 --> 00:11:28.500 And, um, generally the historically speaking, the, how they've done that is 00:11:28.920 --> 00:11:36.060 run super low margins and hoping that, um, you have enough stuff sold at the end of 00:11:36.060 --> 00:11:37.800 the day to make up for the low margins. 00:11:37.800 --> 00:11:40.980 And the reality of the fact is in this industry, you're not 00:11:40.980 --> 00:11:45.210 Costco, you're not Walmart, you're not, you know, a big box store. 00:11:45.210 --> 00:11:46.620 It's a very niche industry. 00:11:46.620 --> 00:11:51.570 And it's, um, you know, you've seen time and time again, where there's been a 00:11:51.570 --> 00:11:55.350 lot of companies who race to the bottom, essentially when it comes to that. 00:11:56.160 --> 00:12:03.030 And then what you've seen recently, um, with the pandemic and the price increases 00:12:03.030 --> 00:12:10.110 and all that stuff is, um, a complete those particular retailers or whatever 00:12:10.180 --> 00:12:12.420 have you, if they're still around. 00:12:13.845 --> 00:12:19.725 They're all trying to make the shifts back to, um, increasing their margins 00:12:20.055 --> 00:12:23.835 because you you've come to the realization that when there's nothing 00:12:23.835 --> 00:12:25.935 to sell, you can't sell it for cheap. 00:12:26.295 --> 00:12:26.775 Right? 00:12:26.775 --> 00:12:27.015 Right. 00:12:27.015 --> 00:12:30.645 So when we're all fighting for the same box of 30 on six or 3 0 8, 00:12:31.275 --> 00:12:35.355 you know, it doesn't make sense for one person to sell it at no 00:12:35.355 --> 00:12:37.155 margin and somebody to just sell it. 00:12:37.215 --> 00:12:40.335 And we're not, I'm not saying by any stretch of the imagination to 00:12:40.335 --> 00:12:45.074 gouge customers or anything, there's, it's a very, there's an industry 00:12:45.074 --> 00:12:47.295 standard as far as what pricing is. 00:12:47.295 --> 00:12:55.275 And if I'm, for instance, A box of 3 0 8 through me is $35 and a box, um, through 00:12:56.265 --> 00:13:01.785 a dealer, a is $50 and through B is $20. 00:13:02.505 --> 00:13:06.135 You're not going to see that huge of a difference in price. 00:13:06.135 --> 00:13:08.025 It's not really, you know what I mean? 00:13:08.025 --> 00:13:12.405 But we're talking about, um, you know, if I'm 35, someone's 30 and someone's 00:13:12.405 --> 00:13:16.995 40, then that's where you're going to kind of see the, um, the differences 00:13:16.995 --> 00:13:17.505 in price. 00:13:17.715 --> 00:13:18.225 Yeah. 00:13:18.314 --> 00:13:22.215 You know, and when you say a race to the bottom, I totally agree with that. 00:13:22.215 --> 00:13:25.515 If you compete on price alone, that is a race to the bottom. 00:13:25.515 --> 00:13:29.955 Cause the only way others can compete with you of that mindset is to give it a 00:13:30.165 --> 00:13:33.255 cheaper price and a cheaper price until finally people are just selling things 00:13:33.255 --> 00:13:39.495 just slightly above cost and that that'll kill a business and that'll kill it. 00:13:39.525 --> 00:13:40.935 That'll harm an industry. 00:13:40.965 --> 00:13:41.745 I think if. 00:13:42.584 --> 00:13:47.775 Uh, I think people will pay a premium for customer service and for quality 00:13:47.775 --> 00:13:52.844 advice for, I mean, there's a reason why we have some major big box stores 00:13:52.844 --> 00:13:54.525 from the states that come into Canada. 00:13:54.765 --> 00:13:57.074 I think wholesale sports was a good example, right? 00:13:57.795 --> 00:14:03.615 Uh, and there's Cabela's and bass pro yet your local gun store will still be able to 00:14:03.615 --> 00:14:10.005 thrive in an environment when these large organizations with massive buying power 00:14:10.454 --> 00:14:15.224 are able to, uh, the local gun stores can still not only survive but thrive. 00:14:15.224 --> 00:14:19.245 And I think that's based primarily on the customer service and the reputation and 00:14:19.245 --> 00:14:22.755 the, uh, the quality of advice that for 00:14:22.755 --> 00:14:25.755 sure, uh, you know, a big misconception too with big box 00:14:25.755 --> 00:14:26.355 stores is that they're too. 00:14:27.165 --> 00:14:31.395 Um, yeah, they're not always there rarely are cheaper. 00:14:31.425 --> 00:14:34.334 Um, and we've always said it cause we were next. 00:14:34.364 --> 00:14:37.724 We were probably the closest gun shop to, uh, wholesale sports. 00:14:37.814 --> 00:14:41.864 I'm pretty sure for a number of years to the point of when they installed the, 00:14:41.895 --> 00:14:46.005 uh, the golden ears, like it was a five minute drive or 10 minute drive each 00:14:46.005 --> 00:14:48.224 way you could go to us or, or sports. 00:14:48.584 --> 00:14:53.175 Um, and we didn't, we honestly didn't mind them being around because, um, same 00:14:53.175 --> 00:14:56.984 thing when they first, when the wholesale first opened or whatever, they had all 00:14:56.984 --> 00:14:59.175 these amazing deals and blah, blah, blah. 00:14:59.324 --> 00:14:59.415 Okay. 00:14:59.444 --> 00:15:03.765 But when you have a 10, 20, 30, 40,000 square foot store with a 00:15:03.765 --> 00:15:07.665 bloody airplane hanging from the roof and you know, and you've got 50 the 00:15:07.665 --> 00:15:12.525 staff on and all this kind of stuff, you can't, the industry just doesn't 00:15:12.525 --> 00:15:15.224 allow for that type of business to be. 00:15:15.930 --> 00:15:16.500 Run, right? 00:15:16.500 --> 00:15:19.439 Like you can't sell guns and ammo. 00:15:19.800 --> 00:15:22.079 I'm exclusively, exclusively at that price. 00:15:22.079 --> 00:15:22.260 Right. 00:15:22.260 --> 00:15:26.250 So they rely on stuff like their clothing and all that stuff to keep the doors open. 00:15:26.250 --> 00:15:29.310 But yeah, a lot of people are always shocked when they come into our store. 00:15:29.319 --> 00:15:33.660 They said, oh, I've always shopped at, uh, you know, say Cabela's or, you 00:15:33.660 --> 00:15:38.459 know, and I'm shocked that your prices are the same, if not sometimes cheaper. 00:15:38.939 --> 00:15:43.260 And it's like, yeah, it's just to me, I've never really shopped at big box 00:15:43.260 --> 00:15:47.100 stores, so I didn't understand it, but a lot of people just assume if you've got 00:15:47.100 --> 00:15:49.650 a giant store full of a bunch of junk. 00:15:50.685 --> 00:15:51.945 It's going to be cheaper, right? 00:15:51.945 --> 00:15:54.705 Like if it's a chain store or something, it's gotta be cheaper, they have 00:15:54.705 --> 00:15:55.935 better buying power or whatever. 00:15:55.935 --> 00:15:56.295 Have you. 00:15:56.295 --> 00:15:58.785 And that's actually, that's the cool part about the firearms 00:15:58.785 --> 00:16:00.475 industry is that it's not the case. 00:16:00.785 --> 00:16:01.275 It is. 00:16:01.605 --> 00:16:04.635 That is the case in a lot of other, other industries, as far as like 00:16:04.845 --> 00:16:09.405 my family owned a bookstore and stuff, books, um, you know, DVDs, 00:16:09.405 --> 00:16:10.995 electronics, all that kind of stuff. 00:16:11.025 --> 00:16:11.415 Yes. 00:16:11.415 --> 00:16:14.235 If you have buying power because there's an endless supply of it, but 00:16:14.235 --> 00:16:21.615 because firearms and ammunition are, they require so much to make produce. 00:16:21.645 --> 00:16:24.525 You have to be licensed on every aspect of it. 00:16:25.035 --> 00:16:27.495 There's only X number of product to go around. 00:16:27.825 --> 00:16:28.155 Yeah. 00:16:28.455 --> 00:16:31.185 So, um, yeah, it's a pretty interesting when people come in 00:16:31.185 --> 00:16:34.785 and say, oh my God, I can't believe you guys, you know more about guns. 00:16:34.935 --> 00:16:36.675 You have the same prices, if not better. 00:16:36.675 --> 00:16:37.305 And you 00:16:37.305 --> 00:16:37.915 know, right. 00:16:38.175 --> 00:16:40.305 And that's not the poop on the big box stores. 00:16:40.305 --> 00:16:42.615 Cause my, my, my thinking on it always been. 00:16:43.469 --> 00:16:48.780 The more the merrier, but people have to be educated to know that, I mean 00:16:48.780 --> 00:16:51.390 the big box stores are not necessarily going to be giving you a better price. 00:16:51.420 --> 00:16:55.430 They're not necessarily going to be giving you better service or, or better anything. 00:16:56.459 --> 00:17:01.930 If there is more exposure of the outdoors hunting firearms type ropes. 00:17:02.130 --> 00:17:04.109 I think the rising tide floats 00:17:04.109 --> 00:17:05.430 all boats a hundred percent. 00:17:05.430 --> 00:17:09.270 And like I shop at Cabela's too, when I need camping gear, I go 00:17:09.270 --> 00:17:13.079 there, you know, for example, my store, it's only 2300 square feet. 00:17:13.470 --> 00:17:20.730 Um, I can't have 20 different 40 gun safes, you know, up for people to 00:17:20.730 --> 00:17:21.950 peruse and all that kind of stuff. 00:17:22.020 --> 00:17:22.619 It's not going to happen. 00:17:22.790 --> 00:17:24.030 So there are advantages to it. 00:17:24.030 --> 00:17:27.089 But yeah, when you come down to the actual core of our industry, which 00:17:27.089 --> 00:17:31.860 has guns and ammo, essentially an optics, we're all going to the same. 00:17:31.860 --> 00:17:34.200 Well, to pull things out of you, you know what I mean? 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:37.320 So there's no magic voodoo sauce. 00:17:37.470 --> 00:17:41.565 Um, as far as pricing or anything like that, Well, 00:17:41.625 --> 00:17:45.975 and then if you have a place that perhaps doesn't have as high of a turnover rate, 00:17:46.035 --> 00:17:51.345 then you'll probably find people who encounter the same questions and over 00:17:51.345 --> 00:17:56.085 and over again, staff who are able to be knowledgeable from experience through all 00:17:56.085 --> 00:17:57.225 of these different things that they see. 00:17:57.225 --> 00:18:01.065 And so that's, I think one of the big advantages to go into your local gun 00:18:01.065 --> 00:18:03.645 store is the, uh, the turnover rate. 00:18:03.825 --> 00:18:07.035 Usually isn't super high compared to some of these larger 00:18:07.035 --> 00:18:08.565 organizations, 100%. 00:18:08.565 --> 00:18:11.115 I mean, I'm coming up at wan stalls. 00:18:11.115 --> 00:18:13.605 I think next year is my I've been there for a decade. 00:18:14.355 --> 00:18:19.785 And, um, when we have new staff on there, know, sometimes shocked at like 00:18:20.145 --> 00:18:22.935 the answers I can give or how quickly I can fix a firearm or whatever. 00:18:22.935 --> 00:18:26.925 But, you know, when you sit there literally all day, every day, and there's 00:18:26.925 --> 00:18:30.765 only so many jammed up eight seventies or Mossberg five hundreds that you finally 00:18:30.765 --> 00:18:31.845 figure out, like, you know what I mean? 00:18:31.845 --> 00:18:34.005 Like it's yeah, exactly. 00:18:34.005 --> 00:18:34.245 Right. 00:18:34.245 --> 00:18:36.705 So a hundred percent and we're also not. 00:18:37.470 --> 00:18:39.690 Uh, hamstring by company policy either, right? 00:18:39.690 --> 00:18:45.630 Which part of a big box stores like you can't bring, um, like for 00:18:45.630 --> 00:18:49.230 example, a firearm into a big box store that's not working and have 00:18:49.230 --> 00:18:52.560 them disassemble it in front of you on the counter and, and fix it for you. 00:18:52.560 --> 00:18:52.800 Right. 00:18:52.800 --> 00:18:57.810 Whereas us it's me and my two buddies who own the company and, you know, we make the 00:18:57.810 --> 00:19:00.540 calls and helping customers is our call. 00:19:01.200 --> 00:19:03.240 So that gets me thinking a little bit. 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:04.230 I think we talked about it. 00:19:04.230 --> 00:19:05.460 We touched on it before. 00:19:06.585 --> 00:19:07.755 I actually tried Googling it. 00:19:07.755 --> 00:19:09.195 I couldn't find the video. 00:19:09.345 --> 00:19:12.645 I know Coleen Nawar, who's a lawyer in the states. 00:19:12.645 --> 00:19:16.335 And he'd say with, I think he's involved with the NRA and he's an 00:19:16.575 --> 00:19:21.285 awesome, uh, advocate for firearms owners and firearms rights in the USA. 00:19:22.034 --> 00:19:24.794 Uh, he's done a bunch of funny videos. 00:19:24.794 --> 00:19:28.425 I know one of them was types of people you see at the gun range, but somewhere 00:19:28.425 --> 00:19:33.014 along the lines, I'm sure I've seen both types of customers that you see at a gun 00:19:33.014 --> 00:19:38.865 store, a hundred percent as well as types of gun store attendance that you see. 00:19:38.865 --> 00:19:41.324 And I couldn't find either, or maybe if someone was listening, 00:19:41.324 --> 00:19:44.115 they might want to post a link up to if they knew where these are. 00:19:44.564 --> 00:19:48.165 Uh, what do you find are the typical types of people that 00:19:48.165 --> 00:19:49.514 you see coming into your store? 00:19:50.115 --> 00:19:55.995 Um, I'm I think that we're a very lucky in our regard. 00:19:55.995 --> 00:20:00.615 So we get a lot of brand new shooters who have never shot anything who just 00:20:00.615 --> 00:20:03.735 got their license and they were just like, I want, this is my end goal. 00:20:03.735 --> 00:20:04.665 I want to go hunting. 00:20:04.935 --> 00:20:07.485 I want to be able to kill a moose or deer or bear or whatever it is. 00:20:09.285 --> 00:20:11.235 And completely new people, which is awesome. 00:20:11.535 --> 00:20:15.764 Uh, then we have our regulars who come in, who, you know, we 00:20:15.764 --> 00:20:17.715 know exactly what they, like. 00:20:17.745 --> 00:20:18.705 We know what to show them. 00:20:19.125 --> 00:20:22.845 Um, you know, they hang out for a bit, we chit chat and there's that. 00:20:23.355 --> 00:20:26.985 And then like every now and again, you get like the, what I would probably say falls 00:20:26.985 --> 00:20:30.165 into your, your, your line of questioning there, like the YouTube professional, 00:20:30.735 --> 00:20:33.945 you know, where, you know, uh, you know, you try to give them a piece of knowledge 00:20:33.945 --> 00:20:37.754 and they say, well, no YouTube says, or the internet says, and it's like, well, 00:20:37.815 --> 00:20:42.615 I was like, you know, I've only done this like 700 times, so take it or shake it. 00:20:42.615 --> 00:20:42.795 Right. 00:20:43.004 --> 00:20:44.475 You can take it for what it is. 00:20:44.475 --> 00:20:47.925 And like, and then they're just completely convinced that I'm wrong. 00:20:48.315 --> 00:20:48.585 Right. 00:20:48.585 --> 00:20:52.275 But it's Chris scruffy nerve heard are 69 on a Reddit forum. 00:20:52.485 --> 00:20:53.415 I know it was more than I do. 00:20:53.415 --> 00:20:53.645 Right. 00:20:53.645 --> 00:20:54.735 Which is it's fine. 00:20:54.735 --> 00:20:54.915 Right. 00:20:54.915 --> 00:20:56.985 Like you're going to find out one way or the other, how it's done and 00:20:57.795 --> 00:20:59.085 just trying to save you the time. 00:20:59.625 --> 00:21:00.345 Um, yeah. 00:21:00.375 --> 00:21:00.645 Then. 00:21:01.175 --> 00:21:04.205 You know, then you've got like, you know, you got to preppers who come in and, you 00:21:04.205 --> 00:21:07.355 know, they've always got some interesting theories as to what's going on. 00:21:07.355 --> 00:21:08.555 What's going down in the world. 00:21:08.795 --> 00:21:09.965 I like talking with those people. 00:21:09.995 --> 00:21:10.325 Yeah. 00:21:10.355 --> 00:21:12.035 For a, for a bit, but yeah. 00:21:12.145 --> 00:21:12.385 Yeah. 00:21:12.395 --> 00:21:16.685 There's only so many, a secret world wars going on and, uh, 00:21:16.715 --> 00:21:18.545 cabals and all that kind of fun 00:21:18.905 --> 00:21:21.754 walkie or whatever the end of the world as we know 00:21:21.754 --> 00:21:21.905 it. 00:21:22.025 --> 00:21:22.325 Yeah. 00:21:22.325 --> 00:21:23.045 Yeah, for sure. 00:21:23.045 --> 00:21:27.275 I mean, but as far as customers go, I mean, you know, I personally think 00:21:27.275 --> 00:21:33.004 like, um, from my perspective, I like, uh, I like the different types 00:21:33.004 --> 00:21:34.775 of people who work in gun stores. 00:21:35.165 --> 00:21:35.525 Okay. 00:21:35.525 --> 00:21:40.115 It's kinda like, I think that's can be, uh, a funnier aspect of it. 00:21:40.145 --> 00:21:44.645 Like you got the guy who's like sat in the corner for 35 or 40 years who like, just 00:21:44.645 --> 00:21:47.165 as this crusty old, you know, whatever. 00:21:47.165 --> 00:21:47.435 Right. 00:21:47.435 --> 00:21:52.295 And yet he, he knows exactly what he wants to know in his, what he, in his 00:21:52.295 --> 00:21:54.065 scope of things that he finds interesting. 00:21:54.065 --> 00:21:55.295 And everything else is trash. 00:21:55.805 --> 00:21:56.254 Yes. 00:21:56.254 --> 00:21:56.945 I've seen those. 00:21:57.004 --> 00:21:57.305 Yeah. 00:21:57.365 --> 00:21:59.075 And then, um, you got a. 00:22:00.389 --> 00:22:05.040 Um, people hyper-focused, you know, like the hyper-focus guy who, you 00:22:05.040 --> 00:22:10.170 know, will, hyper-focus on a single aspect of a fire, like a micro 00:22:10.170 --> 00:22:14.790 details of trying to figure out what's going on or something like that. 00:22:14.790 --> 00:22:18.090 And then you sit there and then you've got the way broader 00:22:18.360 --> 00:22:19.950 issue being completely ignored. 00:22:19.950 --> 00:22:21.870 And you're like, finally, I got it. 00:22:21.870 --> 00:22:24.240 And then he looks back and he's got, you know, he's only done 00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:25.620 like a half a percent of the job. 00:22:26.639 --> 00:22:29.700 Um, and then he got, he had an know, like, I guess he could throw me in there. 00:22:29.700 --> 00:22:31.410 Who's just a kinda guy like me. 00:22:31.410 --> 00:22:33.450 Who's just, guns are awesome. 00:22:33.450 --> 00:22:37.350 And I like just hanging out and, you know, be asking about guns 00:22:37.350 --> 00:22:40.830 and fixing guns and working on guns and all that kind of stuff. 00:22:40.830 --> 00:22:44.639 That guy, my, you know, more of the modern stuff is my take. 00:22:45.120 --> 00:22:48.840 And then like, you know, you got a guy like my, uh, partner Craig, uh, who's 00:22:48.840 --> 00:22:51.030 like, literally I lean on him constantly. 00:22:51.030 --> 00:22:52.680 He, his thing is old stuff. 00:22:52.710 --> 00:22:53.000 There's a. 00:22:54.120 --> 00:22:57.629 Who used to own a gun store out in Surrey many years ago, I remember I 00:22:57.629 --> 00:23:01.590 was helping him out when he, uh, was in the process of trying to take it 00:23:01.590 --> 00:23:05.810 over and he eventually ended up running it into the ground, but he was the, 00:23:05.810 --> 00:23:10.590 I guess the fan boy type of person just diehard about one certain thing. 00:23:10.620 --> 00:23:15.600 And I remember being in the store one time when he's going on with 00:23:15.600 --> 00:23:19.110 this customer, this is the gun you have to get, and this is the bomb. 00:23:19.290 --> 00:23:21.660 Nothing else will compare for what you want to do. 00:23:21.660 --> 00:23:22.470 This is what you want. 00:23:23.340 --> 00:23:28.530 And I guess his fan boy is, um, had changed from a month previous to 00:23:28.530 --> 00:23:30.000 this new, latest, greatest thing. 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:33.540 And there's another guy in this story it's like, but I just 00:23:33.540 --> 00:23:36.660 purchased that other thing that you're saying is bad a month ago. 00:23:36.660 --> 00:23:40.740 Cause you told me it was the best and I watched him tiptoe and tap dance about how 00:23:41.070 --> 00:23:42.840 the other one just isn't the best anymore. 00:23:42.840 --> 00:23:47.040 And this is the best and why, but by the fan boy, I am a hundred 00:23:47.040 --> 00:23:47.400 percent. 00:23:47.430 --> 00:23:47.760 Yeah. 00:23:48.510 --> 00:23:49.860 Kind of funny, without a doubt. 00:23:50.610 --> 00:23:58.245 Um, Yeah, the, um, I guess going to a gun, sir, I've been going to gun stores 00:23:58.245 --> 00:24:04.545 since I've been a kid and it's sort of my, my life I'm used to it, but for 00:24:04.545 --> 00:24:07.395 somebody brand new to it, it's gotta be 00:24:07.395 --> 00:24:08.115 intimidating. 00:24:08.205 --> 00:24:08.774 It's terrifying. 00:24:08.774 --> 00:24:11.504 I remember like, because I didn't grow up in a gun family at all. 00:24:11.685 --> 00:24:11.925 Right. 00:24:11.925 --> 00:24:16.785 Like I, my first gun I got, I went and got my power when I was 18 and 00:24:17.415 --> 00:24:21.615 I actually walked into reliable gun was the first place I ever went. 00:24:21.675 --> 00:24:27.405 And, uh, I remember being so bloody nervous, I think the most in to 00:24:27.405 --> 00:24:30.195 intimidating places, you can really go as a tattoo parlor for the first time 00:24:30.525 --> 00:24:31.905 in a gun store for the first time. 00:24:31.905 --> 00:24:32.115 Right? 00:24:32.595 --> 00:24:33.015 Yeah. 00:24:33.135 --> 00:24:36.975 And, uh, I just remember how nervous I was when I went in there and I was 00:24:36.975 --> 00:24:40.545 just like, just kind of like shuffled up and I'm like, can I get a gun? 00:24:41.915 --> 00:24:45.105 Even though it was a, you know, it's such a foreign thing to somebody who's 00:24:45.105 --> 00:24:46.725 never stepped foot in a gun store. 00:24:47.025 --> 00:24:50.355 No doesn't know anything about not, it doesn't know anything about, but 00:24:50.355 --> 00:24:54.345 like the industry or how it works and the process and like, you know, are 00:24:54.345 --> 00:24:57.045 they going to take it to the back and waterboard you to make sure you're not 00:24:57.045 --> 00:24:58.755 a drug dealer or anything like that. 00:24:58.755 --> 00:24:58.995 Right. 00:24:58.995 --> 00:25:00.555 So you don't want to skip it. 00:25:01.180 --> 00:25:02.020 Yeah, exactly. 00:25:02.020 --> 00:25:02.139 Yeah. 00:25:02.139 --> 00:25:06.220 You don't want to look like, you know, but the best possible thing 00:25:06.220 --> 00:25:09.670 anyone can do is just say, Hey, this is my first time at Hogan store. 00:25:10.149 --> 00:25:14.800 And you'll get a whole, at least with us, like, you'll get a whole 00:25:14.800 --> 00:25:16.060 different kind of experience. 00:25:16.060 --> 00:25:19.720 We'll literally show you every single cartridge we have in stock, every 00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:22.090 single rifle and give you you'll. 00:25:22.090 --> 00:25:25.930 If you don't buy anything, you'll at least leave with knowledge of what 00:25:25.930 --> 00:25:27.399 is there and available to you as 00:25:27.399 --> 00:25:27.910 an individual. 00:25:28.270 --> 00:25:32.230 I have actually never heard that as a tip before, and that's a fantastic 00:25:32.230 --> 00:25:36.790 tip because the gun community will open up their arms and welcome you in 00:25:37.540 --> 00:25:37.720 yeah. 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:38.230 100%. 00:25:38.230 --> 00:25:42.160 And then from the retailers, from the dealers perspective too, right? 00:25:42.160 --> 00:25:44.560 Like if somebody is coming in and acting weird and a gun 00:25:44.560 --> 00:25:46.840 store, well, they don't tell. 00:25:46.870 --> 00:25:47.470 Yeah, exactly. 00:25:47.470 --> 00:25:48.310 And they don't tell you why. 00:25:48.310 --> 00:25:48.520 Right? 00:25:48.520 --> 00:25:49.960 Like, so there's always that kind of. 00:25:50.850 --> 00:25:56.130 Um, aspects, especially now with like masks as well, up 00:25:56.130 --> 00:25:57.540 until a few days ago with masks. 00:25:58.020 --> 00:26:01.020 Um, you know, if somebody is coming in with sunglasses on and a mask 00:26:01.020 --> 00:26:04.530 on and acting like a weirdo in your store, you get kind of on edge. 00:26:04.560 --> 00:26:07.740 But if it's the person is nervous and has never been in a gun store and just says, 00:26:07.740 --> 00:26:09.180 Hey, I've never been into a gun store. 00:26:09.660 --> 00:26:12.600 The whole, like the dynamics are going to completely change. 00:26:12.600 --> 00:26:16.140 And it's going to be like, let's show you every single gun on this rack. 00:26:16.290 --> 00:26:16.710 Right. 00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:19.260 So you can handle and touch and feel and know. 00:26:19.260 --> 00:26:24.930 And yeah, the nervous thing I remember about 20 years ago, young fellow, and 00:26:24.930 --> 00:26:27.150 I'm doing a firearm safety course and. 00:26:28.230 --> 00:26:29.130 There's this one guy. 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:31.560 So I'm six, six, two hundred and fifty pounds. 00:26:31.650 --> 00:26:35.970 And he made me look small and he's got tattoos up and down his arms and he's 00:26:35.970 --> 00:26:39.390 got his biker leathers and his long hair. 00:26:39.390 --> 00:26:43.170 And he's really quiet the entire time he's going through the course. 00:26:43.170 --> 00:26:45.390 And I'm looking at this guy, like, what's this guy's problem. 00:26:45.390 --> 00:26:45.990 What's his attitude. 00:26:45.990 --> 00:26:48.030 Everyone else have a fond or open. 00:26:48.030 --> 00:26:51.450 And this guy just looks like he must have a chip on his shoulder or something. 00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:57.420 And I'm in the back and I'm doing testing with him and he's 00:26:57.420 --> 00:27:00.270 kinda kind of shaking really. 00:27:00.270 --> 00:27:02.280 And I look at him, I'm like what what's going on? 00:27:02.280 --> 00:27:02.520 Right. 00:27:02.520 --> 00:27:04.080 And then he starts laughing. 00:27:05.070 --> 00:27:07.620 I'm like, dokey, what is going on? 00:27:07.620 --> 00:27:08.640 He's like, I'm so sorry. 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:09.600 I'm so nervous. 00:27:09.600 --> 00:27:11.490 I've been so nervous the last couple of days. 00:27:11.870 --> 00:27:14.070 And I, and I get the giggles when I'd get nervous. 00:27:14.170 --> 00:27:18.630 There's this guy he's bigger than me with tattoos, a biker level biker letters that 00:27:18.630 --> 00:27:20.300 gets the giggles when he gets nervous. 00:27:20.650 --> 00:27:20.790 Yeah. 00:27:22.140 --> 00:27:22.890 Let's reset. 00:27:22.890 --> 00:27:23.820 Let's take a deep breath. 00:27:23.820 --> 00:27:24.780 We're going to go through this. 00:27:24.780 --> 00:27:25.710 And he was awesome. 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:26.970 Super nice guy. 00:27:26.970 --> 00:27:29.820 But like, if you want to talk about judging a book by its cover and the 00:27:29.820 --> 00:27:32.430 entire time I'm with this guy, I'm like, man, this guy, every time I 00:27:32.430 --> 00:27:33.990 try and reach out, he's withdrawn. 00:27:33.990 --> 00:27:36.840 And he just, yeah, a hundred percent, same thing in the gun store. 00:27:36.870 --> 00:27:43.620 The nervousness doesn't matter if you're a big guy like me or a smaller person, who's 00:27:44.100 --> 00:27:46.140 I getting into it for the first time. 00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:47.790 That level of nervousness doesn't change. 00:27:47.850 --> 00:27:48.840 No, a hundred percent. 00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:49.500 Yeah. 00:27:49.590 --> 00:27:51.720 Especially if it's something so foreign to you, right? 00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:57.030 Like holding something that explodes in your hand for fun is like a, that's not 00:27:57.030 --> 00:27:59.580 a normal thing that people want to do. 00:27:59.580 --> 00:27:59.790 Right. 00:27:59.790 --> 00:28:03.270 So if you've already gone through the process, like men made that 00:28:03.270 --> 00:28:06.180 mental, okay, I'm doing this. 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:11.670 I'm going to the course that takes a lot to step into a room full of people you've 00:28:11.670 --> 00:28:14.340 never met before and learn about firearms. 00:28:14.370 --> 00:28:16.050 Then the next step is to go get one. 00:28:16.060 --> 00:28:21.010 And again, if you don't have the family history of owning fire, You know, 00:28:21.040 --> 00:28:24.169 it's like you giving someone like a thousand horsepower drag car and 00:28:24.169 --> 00:28:26.980 saying, yeah, just go down the drag track with it, see how you do, right. 00:28:26.980 --> 00:28:28.639 Like it can be, yeah. 00:28:28.669 --> 00:28:29.860 Like it can be super scary. 00:28:29.860 --> 00:28:30.159 Right. 00:28:30.159 --> 00:28:33.490 And, uh, I remember when I got, when I got my first gun, I bought it and it sat 00:28:33.490 --> 00:28:37.240 in my safe for like two and a half months before I could, you know, muster up the 00:28:38.649 --> 00:28:40.510 courage to, you know, go out and shoot it. 00:28:40.540 --> 00:28:43.600 But, you know, and then after I did, I was obsessed. 00:28:43.750 --> 00:28:44.080 Right. 00:28:44.110 --> 00:28:46.000 And I've been obsessed since that day. 00:28:46.149 --> 00:28:46.540 Right. 00:28:46.570 --> 00:28:48.730 Um, so knowledge 00:28:48.730 --> 00:28:51.760 is power and knowledge is empowering and it gives you confidence. 00:28:51.760 --> 00:28:54.250 And that's one of the things I'm hoping that this podcast will 00:28:54.250 --> 00:28:59.379 be able to do is sort of reach past the typical gun community. 00:28:59.500 --> 00:29:03.340 And even those within the community, just give them an alternate voice 00:29:03.340 --> 00:29:07.179 from the people in businesses, in the community so that they can. 00:29:08.355 --> 00:29:10.875 They can use that to form their opinions, essentially 00:29:10.965 --> 00:29:12.315 make a more educated decision. 00:29:12.525 --> 00:29:12.975 Yeah. 00:29:13.455 --> 00:29:15.195 What about etiquette in the gun store? 00:29:15.225 --> 00:29:18.885 Cause I know that, you know, there's gun range etiquette, which is a one thing 00:29:18.885 --> 00:29:23.655 that I think has been talked about a fair bit on, on online and in different areas 00:29:23.655 --> 00:29:25.725 where people can Google buy gun store. 00:29:25.725 --> 00:29:28.665 Etiquette is not something that I see talked about a lot. 00:29:28.875 --> 00:29:29.145 Yeah. 00:29:29.145 --> 00:29:33.255 Um, I would say that gun, uh, the reason probably is this guy gun 00:29:33.255 --> 00:29:35.895 range etiquette is super important. 00:29:36.285 --> 00:29:39.495 Like the most important thing, cause you're dealing with loaded firearms 00:29:39.495 --> 00:29:43.185 on and you know, typically on a firing line with other people, um, 00:29:43.485 --> 00:29:49.065 when you're in a gun store, uh, Yeah. 00:29:49.065 --> 00:29:52.004 I mean the, my big, honestly, my thing that drives me, the craziest is when 00:29:52.004 --> 00:29:56.895 people just drop guns on the counter, like that literally just boils my blood. 00:29:56.895 --> 00:29:57.855 It's like, yeah. 00:29:58.065 --> 00:30:02.565 It's like taking, give me your iPhone, let me just drop it onto your glass counter 00:30:02.565 --> 00:30:03.495 and see like, you know what I mean? 00:30:03.495 --> 00:30:07.605 Like, especially, you know, and then the other one, you know, um, 00:30:09.135 --> 00:30:11.985 the other one too is so, you know, just say firearms knowledge, right? 00:30:11.985 --> 00:30:15.165 Like always, you know, we always open an action and hand it to a customer. 00:30:15.165 --> 00:30:15.455 Right. 00:30:15.465 --> 00:30:16.785 And, and stuff like that. 00:30:16.995 --> 00:30:20.115 Um, and we just kind of like expect a customer hands the gun back in the 00:30:20.115 --> 00:30:22.935 same way that we, you know, right. 00:30:22.935 --> 00:30:24.405 Open, clear it, hand it back to you. 00:30:24.405 --> 00:30:25.035 Right, right. 00:30:25.185 --> 00:30:29.385 Um, but yeah, the other thing too, is that people freak out also about gun 00:30:29.395 --> 00:30:33.014 store etiquette because, um, some. 00:30:34.170 --> 00:30:37.440 Uh, Powell courses teach you like, you know, when you walk into a gun 00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:40.620 store, ask what the safe direction is, all that kind of stuff is the 00:30:40.620 --> 00:30:45.270 reality in my gun store is you're pointing guns at more guns or right. 00:30:45.300 --> 00:30:49.980 Like our guns are checked every day, you know, constantly, um, we check 00:30:50.010 --> 00:30:51.510 clear every time we had it to you. 00:30:51.510 --> 00:30:55.860 So after that's done, we're not too worried about it, but people often come 00:30:55.860 --> 00:30:59.430 in, especially new people and are like, you know, they don't know where to point 00:30:59.430 --> 00:31:02.850 the gun, you know, they pointed down, they put, you know, so the big thing would 00:31:02.850 --> 00:31:07.050 just be to come in and say, Hey, what's your guys' policy or what would you like 00:31:07.050 --> 00:31:08.280 me to do when you hand me a firearm? 00:31:08.310 --> 00:31:08.640 Perfect. 00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:09.780 Just say, yeah, exactly. 00:31:09.780 --> 00:31:11.850 That would be, that's the best thing to say. 00:31:11.850 --> 00:31:14.880 And you say, yeah, you can just point it over my shoulder up here or over there. 00:31:15.090 --> 00:31:15.300 Right. 00:31:15.300 --> 00:31:17.100 That's the safest place to point it. 00:31:17.460 --> 00:31:22.890 Um, but yeah, I mean, it's kinda more so when it comes to, um, 00:31:23.040 --> 00:31:28.350 etiquette, it's, it's a mixture of gun safety and not being, um, 00:31:30.040 --> 00:31:31.080 Yeah story, you know what I mean? 00:31:31.080 --> 00:31:31.530 Like yeah. 00:31:31.590 --> 00:31:35.220 And realizing like, it's, you know, w that gun you just handled, you know, it's 00:31:35.220 --> 00:31:37.350 a $2,000 gun and don't whip it around. 00:31:37.350 --> 00:31:39.240 Like, it's a toy that you've seen on TV. 00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:45.570 And the one that kills me that kills me is stainless steel revolver, 00:31:45.570 --> 00:31:46.890 or nickel, plated revolver. 00:31:47.070 --> 00:31:49.140 Somebody spins it and whips it shut. 00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:53.250 And you, and I just, that's the one thing in my store, we're all like, dead. 00:31:53.250 --> 00:31:56.100 I, you it'd be like, don't ever do that again. 00:31:56.490 --> 00:31:56.850 Right. 00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:58.170 Because they're like, oh, why? 00:31:58.170 --> 00:32:00.930 Like that's, you know, and I'm like, look what you just did to the gun. 00:32:00.930 --> 00:32:03.030 And there's a giant scratch down the cylinder. 00:32:03.030 --> 00:32:06.990 And yes, that's like this isn't, this isn't a movie. 00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:07.860 Don't do that. 00:32:07.860 --> 00:32:09.690 And it's not, I don't mean like dead. 00:32:09.690 --> 00:32:12.660 I, them like, like, I'm going to come get you. 00:32:13.440 --> 00:32:14.880 It's um, I did. 00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:15.960 I like, that's a serious thing. 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:20.270 Like you just took a $2,000 gun and, you know, you dropped the price, dropped 00:32:20.270 --> 00:32:22.140 the price, or, you know, the next. 00:32:22.930 --> 00:32:23.560 Gets it. 00:32:23.560 --> 00:32:24.940 And he's like, what the hell? 00:32:24.940 --> 00:32:27.010 Like, why is it all scratched up and stuff? 00:32:27.010 --> 00:32:28.690 So those are the big ones. 00:32:28.780 --> 00:32:32.290 Um, and also like we've had stuffed crazy stuff too. 00:32:32.290 --> 00:32:34.780 Like we had to, we've had guys come in with their biker helmets 00:32:34.780 --> 00:32:36.100 on like the full face ones. 00:32:37.180 --> 00:32:40.400 And I'm like, I look at I'm like, what do you guys do? 00:32:41.650 --> 00:32:41.920 Yeah. 00:32:41.930 --> 00:32:43.690 It's like, you know, this is a gun store, man. 00:32:43.690 --> 00:32:45.070 This isn't like shoppers drug Mart. 00:32:45.070 --> 00:32:47.110 You can't walk around with a helmet on. 00:32:47.370 --> 00:32:47.920 Right, right. 00:32:48.100 --> 00:32:49.060 Just stuff like that. 00:32:49.060 --> 00:32:51.520 Like facials, um, stuff. 00:32:51.520 --> 00:32:54.250 That's covering your face, sunglasses, just stuff like that. 00:32:54.250 --> 00:32:59.110 And um, if you do decide to wear them, uh, just make yourself known to the 00:32:59.110 --> 00:33:02.770 people working in the store, don't lurk in corners or look around, you know, 00:33:02.770 --> 00:33:04.240 just stuff like that is the big one. 00:33:04.810 --> 00:33:08.800 You know, that the whole asking questions thing I think is imperative. 00:33:08.830 --> 00:33:10.870 Even gun range, gun store, like you're in the range. 00:33:10.870 --> 00:33:14.560 Someone says, oh, I always love those who, okay, try shooting your gun. 00:33:14.590 --> 00:33:15.610 What can I try doing this? 00:33:15.610 --> 00:33:15.790 Right. 00:33:16.780 --> 00:33:19.030 Well, the easy answer is no. 00:33:19.150 --> 00:33:21.910 And that's, I've learned that the hard way after. 00:33:23.025 --> 00:33:28.875 Having a firearm broken on a actually Vancouver gun club, but 15, 20 years 00:33:28.875 --> 00:33:32.535 ago, this guy, I don't know if he listens to his name was Greg Neeson healthy. 00:33:32.545 --> 00:33:33.375 I'll use his name. 00:33:33.405 --> 00:33:39.525 He's always stuck in the back of my head and I'm shooting a, a Brita shotgun, 00:33:39.525 --> 00:33:44.925 which, uh, I got a pretty cheap price, but it was it predated what is there? 00:33:44.925 --> 00:33:48.555 So are there sq series and, uh, it was worth a couple of bucks. 00:33:49.305 --> 00:33:49.725 Anyways. 00:33:49.725 --> 00:33:50.865 It was, it was sticky. 00:33:50.865 --> 00:33:51.855 It had been re blued. 00:33:51.855 --> 00:33:56.685 It would had a crack in the forest stock, but after each round I 00:33:56.685 --> 00:34:00.255 would shoot I'd open the, uh, the break action just a little bit. 00:34:00.285 --> 00:34:00.375 Yeah. 00:34:01.185 --> 00:34:01.515 Oh, sorry. 00:34:01.515 --> 00:34:05.175 I press see a little lever on the back and it was sticky and I thought it easier 00:34:05.175 --> 00:34:09.014 to just give a little tap on my knee and opens up and I take the spent casings 00:34:09.014 --> 00:34:13.995 out and, and he was I going to go head up and change the clays in the, uh, in one 00:34:13.995 --> 00:34:19.005 of the houses that's throwing the clay birds out in this fellow says, can I? 00:34:19.304 --> 00:34:23.845 And he came onto her team on our squad as sort of the, the last person on there. 00:34:23.845 --> 00:34:25.395 And he said, well, can I, can I tag along to the team? 00:34:25.395 --> 00:34:25.605 Sure. 00:34:25.605 --> 00:34:26.175 No problem. 00:34:26.655 --> 00:34:29.534 Um, he says, can I, can I see your firearm? 00:34:29.534 --> 00:34:30.405 It looks pretty neat. 00:34:30.855 --> 00:34:31.635 Yeah, no problem. 00:34:31.665 --> 00:34:32.145 Check it out. 00:34:32.145 --> 00:34:35.595 I said, and I go up into the, uh, up into the high house 00:34:35.595 --> 00:34:36.975 to, and change the clays out. 00:34:36.975 --> 00:34:38.445 And then I hear one of my buddies. 00:34:38.445 --> 00:34:40.514 Drouth what'd you do to your shotgun? 00:34:40.514 --> 00:34:41.745 It's broken in half. 00:34:42.975 --> 00:34:43.514 What? 00:34:43.995 --> 00:34:45.554 Come on quick, you got to see this. 00:34:45.554 --> 00:34:48.585 And I'm like, whatever, if it's broken, it's broken me rushing down. 00:34:48.585 --> 00:34:49.635 Isn't going to change anything. 00:34:49.635 --> 00:34:52.215 So I do the clays and I come on down and. 00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:56.340 I look at this, I look at this Greg fellow, so what the hell? 00:34:56.370 --> 00:34:56.610 Right. 00:34:57.030 --> 00:35:00.870 And, uh, he was just about open his mouth up and it's like, Sam, sorry, or 00:35:00.870 --> 00:35:02.730 this, or, or whatever it looked like. 00:35:02.730 --> 00:35:06.720 And my other buddies says, cause it was a full team of my, my friends there and 00:35:06.750 --> 00:35:10.350 this one other fellow, he says, yeah, we just came here and saw it like this. 00:35:10.350 --> 00:35:11.730 We don't know how this happened. 00:35:11.730 --> 00:35:14.020 And all of a sudden this guy's mouth clamped shut down. 00:35:14.050 --> 00:35:16.560 He's like, I don't know what happened, man. 00:35:17.375 --> 00:35:18.305 Oh, great. 00:35:18.634 --> 00:35:21.095 So I slipped, but it was in your hands last and it's broken. 00:35:21.095 --> 00:35:25.355 The best I can figure is that he didn't realize you actually had to press the 00:35:25.355 --> 00:35:26.674 little lever on the back of the side. 00:35:26.674 --> 00:35:29.615 And he was trying to open it up how he saw me doing that and 00:35:29.615 --> 00:35:30.904 he broke it right at the wrist. 00:35:31.565 --> 00:35:31.654 Okay. 00:35:32.495 --> 00:35:36.575 So that's when I learned the easy answer is no in a gun store. 00:35:36.575 --> 00:35:39.695 However, you can't always say no, because you're trying to sell something, 00:35:40.175 --> 00:35:43.535 but asking, Hey, do you mind if I press the trigger on this one? 00:35:43.775 --> 00:35:45.995 Hey, I don't, I'm not familiar with this one. 00:35:45.995 --> 00:35:47.705 Do you mind showing me how to open it up, 00:35:47.705 --> 00:35:47.975 right? 00:35:47.975 --> 00:35:48.155 Yeah. 00:35:48.755 --> 00:35:50.945 Oh, that's the other two big ones too. 00:35:50.945 --> 00:35:52.445 Is disassembling guns in the store. 00:35:53.165 --> 00:35:56.365 Like, forget about it when people do it all the time and 00:35:56.375 --> 00:35:57.425 this just shows you how much they know, 00:35:57.425 --> 00:35:57.725 right? 00:35:57.815 --> 00:35:57.995 Yeah. 00:35:59.675 --> 00:36:02.105 It definitely shows me how much they know that's without a doubt, 00:36:02.105 --> 00:36:03.425 which is generally nothing. 00:36:04.055 --> 00:36:08.405 And, you know, I remember we had one guy who wanted to take apart a 00:36:08.405 --> 00:36:10.985 Ruger mark to right in the store. 00:36:10.985 --> 00:36:11.625 And I was like, no, man. 00:36:11.625 --> 00:36:12.935 And I'm like, you know, you can't take that apart. 00:36:12.935 --> 00:36:14.885 You, you have to be a bloody engineer to get one of those back to, you 00:36:15.935 --> 00:36:20.705 know, I do this all the time and he literally popped it open apart without 00:36:21.125 --> 00:36:23.045 like me without, after I just said no. 00:36:23.105 --> 00:36:23.375 Right. 00:36:24.225 --> 00:36:26.964 A thousand pieces on the counter and tried to, and then he started 00:36:26.984 --> 00:36:29.354 like trying to get it back together, scratching it up and stuff. 00:36:29.384 --> 00:36:32.265 And then he just literally looked at me, dropped it on the counter 00:36:32.265 --> 00:36:33.194 and walked out of the store. 00:36:34.544 --> 00:36:36.944 So, so embarrassed said nothing. 00:36:37.064 --> 00:36:39.645 So never ever take a gun apart in the store. 00:36:39.734 --> 00:36:40.095 Right. 00:36:40.154 --> 00:36:43.455 Ask the attended to, if there's something you want to see, um, and 00:36:43.484 --> 00:36:48.075 two, the last one, and this will get you like the worst tongue lashing. 00:36:48.075 --> 00:36:51.944 And at least my store is bringing a loaded firearm in. 00:36:52.694 --> 00:36:53.234 Yup. 00:36:53.294 --> 00:36:59.774 That's something that happens so often, like not so often, but it happens enough 00:36:59.774 --> 00:37:03.915 to where you're like, you feel like you should take the people's gun license and 00:37:04.785 --> 00:37:06.464 like you have to go retake your course. 00:37:06.705 --> 00:37:06.975 Right? 00:37:06.975 --> 00:37:09.375 Like we're going to, we're going to send it back to wherever 00:37:09.375 --> 00:37:10.484 you got those license for it. 00:37:10.634 --> 00:37:11.984 Cause apparently they didn't do the job. 00:37:12.615 --> 00:37:14.145 That one drives me nuts. 00:37:14.145 --> 00:37:15.134 And it's often like something. 00:37:16.410 --> 00:37:21.750 Super simple, um, to fix on the gun that like, you know, but yeah. 00:37:22.050 --> 00:37:25.380 Coming in, not telling anyone the firearms loaded, slamming it on 00:37:25.380 --> 00:37:27.420 the table and saying, oh yeah, there's a live round in there. 00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:28.800 It's like, and I can't get it out. 00:37:29.610 --> 00:37:33.570 That'll just like, yeah, that's the worst possible thing you can do in my 00:37:33.570 --> 00:37:35.070 opinion, against her and their stories. 00:37:35.130 --> 00:37:38.790 You know, I think there's a young man in Alberta that had that assembly thing 00:37:38.790 --> 00:37:39.990 happened to, there was a single shot. 00:37:39.990 --> 00:37:42.750 The guy brought in and forgot there was around a target load and 00:37:43.140 --> 00:37:44.430 slammed it down on the counter. 00:37:44.430 --> 00:37:48.510 And the round went off like point blank and a stomach who, um, there's 00:37:48.510 --> 00:37:49.890 lots of stories like that in Canada. 00:37:49.890 --> 00:37:50.100 Right. 00:37:50.100 --> 00:37:54.270 And that's like, really, you know, there's more stories or that than 00:37:54.270 --> 00:37:55.680 there are gun stores getting robbed. 00:37:56.010 --> 00:37:58.590 So that's what kind of gets me going. 00:37:58.620 --> 00:37:58.740 Yeah. 00:37:58.780 --> 00:38:02.430 It's not that it happens all the time, but a few times is more than it needs to 00:38:02.430 --> 00:38:02.850 happen. 00:38:03.330 --> 00:38:07.890 Well, you know, honestly it does happen like more than I, like when I got into 00:38:07.890 --> 00:38:11.580 the industry, I had never, like, I've never brought a loaded firearm anywhere. 00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:12.300 Right, right. 00:38:12.660 --> 00:38:16.575 Um, It happens way more often than I ever thought it would. 00:38:16.575 --> 00:38:20.715 And it still shocks me to this day that people are just so Willy nilly, 00:38:20.715 --> 00:38:22.635 like, oh yeah, it's too much work. 00:38:22.785 --> 00:38:24.765 Just going to bring it to the gun store for them to fix. 00:38:24.945 --> 00:38:25.755 That's always been a bit of 00:38:25.755 --> 00:38:28.215 a conundrum from a legal standpoint, because of course you're only allowed 00:38:28.215 --> 00:38:31.065 to have a loaded firearm in a place where it's lawful to do so every 00:38:31.065 --> 00:38:33.795 once in a while, somebody will have an issue where they can't get their 00:38:33.795 --> 00:38:37.515 gun open, whether it's user error or something mechanical, messed up on it. 00:38:37.515 --> 00:38:38.865 And there's a round in the chamber. 00:38:40.095 --> 00:38:41.835 How do they transfer it the same legally? 00:38:42.735 --> 00:38:43.005 Yeah. 00:38:43.005 --> 00:38:43.515 That's true. 00:38:43.515 --> 00:38:47.415 I mean, you know, generally speaking, if that happens, you're on the range, right? 00:38:47.415 --> 00:38:50.415 Like, so, or out in the Bush or yeah, exactly. 00:38:50.415 --> 00:38:54.555 So, yeah, it's, that is a tough conundrum. 00:38:54.795 --> 00:38:59.655 Um, the best thing I can tell people is just be like, for example, if you're 00:38:59.655 --> 00:39:03.165 going to a store and you can't get it, done yourself, call them in advance 00:39:03.165 --> 00:39:04.785 and say, listen, this is my name. 00:39:05.505 --> 00:39:06.585 This is what I've got going on. 00:39:06.615 --> 00:39:09.465 Is it okay if I bring a loaded firearm to your store? 00:39:09.495 --> 00:39:12.765 I can't get it out or I'm having a problem and they say yes or no. 00:39:13.065 --> 00:39:15.135 And then after that, just tell them, listen, I'm going to come in. 00:39:15.165 --> 00:39:17.865 This is what my, the shirt I'm wearing, blah, blah, blah, 00:39:17.955 --> 00:39:19.095 who do I need to speak to? 00:39:19.455 --> 00:39:21.225 And just make it as simple, clear as possible. 00:39:21.255 --> 00:39:24.825 That's the best possible thing you can do rolling into a gun store with a 00:39:24.825 --> 00:39:28.455 loaded gun, um, you know, in a case and just slamming on the counter and just 00:39:28.455 --> 00:39:30.105 like, Hey, by the way, this is loaded. 00:39:30.105 --> 00:39:30.885 What can you do for me? 00:39:30.945 --> 00:39:32.895 That's not going to fly one 00:39:32.895 --> 00:39:35.415 of the things I've seen, some people do or thinking about. 00:39:35.955 --> 00:39:39.134 They'll put that loaded fire and they'll throw a trigger, lock, secure locking 00:39:39.134 --> 00:39:41.145 device, whatever that they can fix to it. 00:39:41.444 --> 00:39:44.145 They'll put into a case, but they'll make a mark on the outside of the 00:39:44.145 --> 00:39:46.035 case as to which end is a muzzle end. 00:39:46.095 --> 00:39:46.455 Yeah. 00:39:46.604 --> 00:39:50.354 And then when they come in, they're dealing with the safest available 00:39:50.354 --> 00:39:52.754 direction, which I mean at a range, okay. 00:39:52.754 --> 00:39:55.095 That's down range and a gun store. 00:39:55.125 --> 00:39:59.955 That means where there's going to be zero loss of life and minimal property damage. 00:39:59.984 --> 00:40:04.274 So, and they'll keep that, that case kind of pointed in the best possible direction. 00:40:04.334 --> 00:40:04.964 A hundred percent. 00:40:05.265 --> 00:40:11.595 I remember years ago, working in a, uh, in a, in a shop guy brought in a, uh, a 22. 00:40:11.595 --> 00:40:12.615 I'm trying to remember. 00:40:13.064 --> 00:40:15.975 I think it actually was, it was a mark one or mark two Ruger. 00:40:16.484 --> 00:40:18.194 Anyways, he's waving this thing around. 00:40:18.194 --> 00:40:19.455 What do you do with like what? 00:40:19.455 --> 00:40:20.625 We've nothing in my face. 00:40:20.625 --> 00:40:21.734 It opened it up. 00:40:21.765 --> 00:40:22.544 Take the Meg out. 00:40:22.575 --> 00:40:23.895 Oh no, no, it's not loaded. 00:40:23.895 --> 00:40:27.225 And he presses a trigger and around goes into the cold, saw. 00:40:28.455 --> 00:40:30.015 And what the hell. 00:40:30.285 --> 00:40:30.555 Right. 00:40:30.555 --> 00:40:34.634 And that's probably the closest I've ever seen. 00:40:34.634 --> 00:40:39.944 And this was a long time ago, uh, in a, in a gun store, gunsmith Smith situation 00:40:39.944 --> 00:40:41.835 to something that could have gone really 00:40:41.835 --> 00:40:42.194 poorly. 00:40:42.464 --> 00:40:42.794 Yeah. 00:40:42.825 --> 00:40:46.904 We've had people to like, Hey, do we, you know, do you guys buy firearms? 00:40:46.904 --> 00:40:47.805 And you're like, yeah, no problem. 00:40:47.805 --> 00:40:48.705 We buy them all the time. 00:40:48.825 --> 00:40:52.875 And then like, I had one guy for example, pull a tow of, out of the back of his 00:40:52.875 --> 00:40:57.225 pants and it had a trigger lock on it, but he was in his good for his man. 00:40:57.254 --> 00:41:00.254 And then, so he pulls it around and I just see the, but yeah. 00:41:00.435 --> 00:41:00.734 Right. 00:41:00.915 --> 00:41:03.825 And so I just grabbed his shoulder and pulled him into the counter 00:41:03.855 --> 00:41:05.415 and he's like the look on his face. 00:41:05.415 --> 00:41:06.464 He was so surprised. 00:41:06.855 --> 00:41:08.745 I was like, you're what are you doing right now? 00:41:09.464 --> 00:41:13.785 Like, and he just didn't understand, like, can he, he flat out said, he's like, oh, 00:41:13.785 --> 00:41:15.375 I didn't know that this wasn't legal. 00:41:16.395 --> 00:41:16.875 Oh man. 00:41:16.875 --> 00:41:18.615 That's, that's special. 00:41:18.734 --> 00:41:18.884 Yeah. 00:41:18.884 --> 00:41:19.754 That's one of those things. 00:41:19.754 --> 00:41:22.484 So, I mean, if you're working in a gun store, you've got to have 00:41:22.484 --> 00:41:23.685 eyes in the back of your head. 00:41:26.100 --> 00:41:28.110 Cautiously suspicious. 00:41:28.170 --> 00:41:28.470 Right? 00:41:28.470 --> 00:41:31.020 Just casually suspicious at every point, this person 00:41:31.020 --> 00:41:32.070 coming in, what are they going? 00:41:32.490 --> 00:41:35.730 Like the odds of somebody coming into one or Rob a gun store, although there 00:41:35.730 --> 00:41:41.310 are items of interest to the criminal element, uh, decrease when there's 00:41:41.310 --> 00:41:45.990 people actually in the gun store, because of the concept of particularly 00:41:46.170 --> 00:41:48.210 particularly the American mentality. 00:41:48.750 --> 00:41:50.370 Well, these guys are probably packing, right? 00:41:50.520 --> 00:41:50.760 Yeah. 00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:53.880 I mean, you gotta, I mean, regardless of what part of the world you're 00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:56.340 in, if you robbing a gun store, you got to have some pretty big 00:41:56.370 --> 00:41:58.590 homes or a special kind of stupid. 00:41:59.310 --> 00:42:03.180 I probably go a special kind of stupid and the correct terminology in that one. 00:42:04.410 --> 00:42:05.370 Uh, yeah. 00:42:05.370 --> 00:42:12.000 So I'm asking if you can open it asking, and when you talk about spinning it, 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:15.450 like, even if it's not stainless or nickel, I mean, you're going to do, you 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:19.710 can possibly do damage to the cylinder, stop to the yolk, or if it's a cult to 00:42:19.710 --> 00:42:25.065 the crane, um, You just don't manhandle these things or bend them around 00:42:25.065 --> 00:42:28.815 or I can see drop it on the counter from a twofold perspective as well. 00:42:28.815 --> 00:42:30.134 I mean, those counters aren't cheap. 00:42:31.905 --> 00:42:32.055 Yeah. 00:42:32.055 --> 00:42:34.185 And it's also like, it's not yours, it's mine. 00:42:34.845 --> 00:42:35.384 You know what I mean? 00:42:35.384 --> 00:42:38.745 Like, you know, I wouldn't want you to drop my iPhone on encounter my watch, 00:42:38.805 --> 00:42:42.705 but anything I own, you know, like it's just like common courtesy, right? 00:42:42.705 --> 00:42:43.575 Like it's not yours. 00:42:43.605 --> 00:42:44.595 Treat it with respect. 00:42:44.775 --> 00:42:45.375 It's all it is. 00:42:46.095 --> 00:42:47.325 So here's another one I've been reading 00:42:47.325 --> 00:42:47.775 online. 00:42:48.585 --> 00:42:57.945 I, the gun buyback, I guess it's supposed to be coming up in April and there's 00:42:57.945 --> 00:42:59.715 things that have been reading about that. 00:42:59.715 --> 00:43:02.935 They're going to, I think caliber press actually puts something out about, uh, 00:43:04.065 --> 00:43:07.955 Sorry, caliber magazine, caliber presses over the states, Daniel fritters, cat 00:43:08.504 --> 00:43:13.065 caliber magazine out of Canada was talking about, um, oh, either ship 00:43:13.065 --> 00:43:15.705 the guns into the, uh, to the RCMP. 00:43:15.705 --> 00:43:18.004 And then the later on, they'll tell you what the value is. 00:43:18.004 --> 00:43:19.004 Is, have you heard anything 00:43:19.004 --> 00:43:19.455 about this? 00:43:19.634 --> 00:43:23.145 Yeah, I've read a little bit, or I've read that article that, I mean, a 00:43:23.265 --> 00:43:26.145 damn put out there and it was a great article and people should read it. 00:43:26.654 --> 00:43:27.615 It'd be educated on it. 00:43:27.615 --> 00:43:32.745 Cause again, typical Canadian politics, you know, you don't have any idea of 00:43:32.745 --> 00:43:34.484 what's going on until after the fact. 00:43:34.484 --> 00:43:37.785 And so that'd be a good thing for people to go read, but yeah, from my 00:43:37.785 --> 00:43:41.234 understanding, their plan is to like send you either a box or a case in the mail. 00:43:41.595 --> 00:43:45.075 You put your stuff in the case and send it, you know, paid postage back. 00:43:45.464 --> 00:43:53.265 And uh, I mean, come on, you know, let's, let's put tens of thousands of firearms 00:43:53.265 --> 00:43:58.815 in the exact same box going to the exact same place through Canada posts. 00:43:58.845 --> 00:44:02.565 Well, first off, you know what, probably going to be a hundred thousand. 00:44:03.405 --> 00:44:05.055 Firearms potentially going through the mail. 00:44:05.265 --> 00:44:07.125 What's that going to do to the postage system? 00:44:07.395 --> 00:44:07.725 Yeah. 00:44:07.785 --> 00:44:11.415 And you know, that's going to back everything up, like crazy too. 00:44:12.135 --> 00:44:17.475 You know, this isn't a slagger Canada post, but there are some people in Canada 00:44:17.475 --> 00:44:21.045 post firearms do go missing in the mail mysteriously that there aren't answers to. 00:44:21.075 --> 00:44:21.345 Yup. 00:44:22.065 --> 00:44:26.925 And putting, like, making it so blatant that it's the same box. 00:44:26.925 --> 00:44:28.275 Same, the same that everywhere. 00:44:28.305 --> 00:44:30.585 It's just, you know, I mean, it's typical. 00:44:30.585 --> 00:44:32.175 I mean, am I shocked at this point? 00:44:32.175 --> 00:44:32.595 No. 00:44:32.955 --> 00:44:34.845 Like that it's such a ridiculous system. 00:44:35.445 --> 00:44:37.875 Um, and then the big thing is, is that they're going to tell you what it's 00:44:37.875 --> 00:44:39.405 worth after they have everything back. 00:44:40.095 --> 00:44:40.275 Yeah. 00:44:40.275 --> 00:44:40.755 That works 00:44:40.755 --> 00:44:41.055 well. 00:44:41.115 --> 00:44:41.595 And if you don't 00:44:41.595 --> 00:44:42.045 agree. 00:44:42.345 --> 00:44:42.975 Oh, well, yeah. 00:44:43.005 --> 00:44:47.085 Or how about how long has it, you know, how just getting your tax return 00:44:47.085 --> 00:44:50.505 money is a big enough pain in the ass sometimes, you know, so now you're 00:44:50.505 --> 00:44:55.710 going to deal with prohibited items, you know, I don't like, I can't remember it. 00:44:55.710 --> 00:44:58.860 The ma at the article said like, I'm pretty sure it's not the RCMP 00:44:58.860 --> 00:45:00.450 doing the physical work there. 00:45:00.450 --> 00:45:05.550 They're going to have, um, like big centers to have this stuff. 00:45:06.120 --> 00:45:08.370 And it's just like, did, did you, 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:11.730 did they publish or say anything about the centers that are dealing with, or 00:45:11.730 --> 00:45:13.050 the companies that are dealing with that? 00:45:13.259 --> 00:45:13.680 No. 00:45:13.680 --> 00:45:16.259 Uh, well, if they did, I wasn't really, I didn't, I can't remember 00:45:16.259 --> 00:45:17.250 it off the top of my head. 00:45:17.730 --> 00:45:21.570 Um, but yeah, I can't remember 00:45:21.570 --> 00:45:26.310 honestly, well, I try to remember where I heard this one from, but a Murray 00:45:26.310 --> 00:45:29.820 Smith was supposed to be involved with one of these at one, one point. 00:45:29.820 --> 00:45:31.770 I don't know if that's just somebody causing rumors. 00:45:31.770 --> 00:45:33.330 And so I'll say allegedly this. 00:45:33.660 --> 00:45:33.810 So 00:45:33.810 --> 00:45:37.770 what I've heard, I heard that rumor too, that he is somehow involved with the 00:45:37.770 --> 00:45:41.759 company doing the buyback, which is, I mean, talk about conflict of interest. 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:42.180 So 00:45:42.180 --> 00:45:48.420 Marie Smith is C um, he's worked with, uh, uh, firearms program 00:45:48.720 --> 00:45:50.970 registry services and they're high. 00:45:52.335 --> 00:45:55.465 Essentially the chief was he scientists. 00:45:55.465 --> 00:46:03.075 He had chief scientist for the CFUs, Seton CFP, and he's their lead, um, star 00:46:03.075 --> 00:46:05.535 witness for the whole buyback program. 00:46:05.595 --> 00:46:09.225 And it's based on a lot of his, his affidavits and his work. 00:46:09.645 --> 00:46:12.315 I mean the, the conflict, I'm sure there's a lot of conflict. 00:46:12.315 --> 00:46:18.015 I mean, he's getting paid to this monster some allegedly after retiring 00:46:18.015 --> 00:46:20.505 to come back in and to run the job that 00:46:20.625 --> 00:46:20.895 right. 00:46:21.045 --> 00:46:21.285 Yeah. 00:46:21.285 --> 00:46:24.255 That he come on. 00:46:24.285 --> 00:46:30.135 Like, it's just such a, if that is the case, I mean, I can't wait 00:46:30.135 --> 00:46:34.815 for the lawsuits to just start flowing like money and power, right. 00:46:34.845 --> 00:46:35.715 Yeah, exactly. 00:46:35.715 --> 00:46:35.955 Right. 00:46:35.955 --> 00:46:36.855 It's it's crazy. 00:46:36.855 --> 00:46:38.565 But I mean, we'll see what happens. 00:46:39.495 --> 00:46:41.445 Um, Yeah. 00:46:41.475 --> 00:46:44.505 It's I was thinking about it the other day. 00:46:44.505 --> 00:46:48.195 And we did a actually made a meme that we posted on our Facebook page. 00:46:48.225 --> 00:46:51.825 I don't know if you saw it or not, but, uh, you know, we're going back to 00:46:51.825 --> 00:46:54.645 when this all started and, you know, Trudeau, you know, sitting on his 00:46:54.645 --> 00:46:57.885 soapbox with his, you know, whatever it costs you means wearing this money. 00:46:58.875 --> 00:47:01.875 I'm saying, you know, people don't need assault weapons, and we're going to get 00:47:01.875 --> 00:47:03.675 them off the streets and blah, blah, blah. 00:47:03.675 --> 00:47:08.265 And then meanwhile, you know, he's sending Carl Gustaf's over to the UK. 00:47:08.475 --> 00:47:09.135 Exactly. 00:47:09.135 --> 00:47:09.375 Right. 00:47:09.375 --> 00:47:12.515 And then, so we put, uh, I put it up with him and then, you know, he 00:47:12.525 --> 00:47:14.865 was, had his hands in like a prayer position saying, you know, we're going 00:47:14.865 --> 00:47:19.005 to take AR fifteens away from, you know, civilians don't need AR fifteens. 00:47:19.005 --> 00:47:20.775 And then, then there's the guy with his hands on his hips, 00:47:20.775 --> 00:47:23.115 in the Ukraine going like, you 00:47:23.115 --> 00:47:23.355 know, 00:47:25.335 --> 00:47:25.755 so yeah. 00:47:25.755 --> 00:47:28.005 It's a, you know, it's a funny, like, you know, it's typical 00:47:28.005 --> 00:47:29.265 politics stuff right here. 00:47:29.275 --> 00:47:31.815 It's like, you know, the rules are for the, not for me. 00:47:32.085 --> 00:47:32.385 Yeah. 00:47:33.200 --> 00:47:34.790 You know, you're talking about Canada post. 00:47:34.790 --> 00:47:38.750 I had, I remember a number of years ago, uh, Canada ammo, where you at 00:47:38.750 --> 00:47:44.810 one point worked, uh, three Glocks are getting shipped over and from, I think 00:47:44.810 --> 00:47:48.440 it was north Vancouver where their, their warehouse was over to Delta 00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:51.109 here and they mysteriously go missing. 00:47:51.859 --> 00:47:56.779 So you file your police report, but the fire's program doesn't remove. 00:47:57.735 --> 00:47:59.654 The firearms for the business license. 00:48:00.134 --> 00:48:03.134 And I always, that always made me question. 00:48:03.134 --> 00:48:04.245 I said, well, hold on a second. 00:48:04.575 --> 00:48:05.475 They were Canada. 00:48:05.475 --> 00:48:08.475 Ammos, I've never received them. 00:48:08.535 --> 00:48:09.285 I've never seen them. 00:48:09.285 --> 00:48:10.035 I've never touched them. 00:48:10.035 --> 00:48:12.404 They've never come into my possession, but they're registered to me. 00:48:12.765 --> 00:48:13.035 Yeah. 00:48:13.125 --> 00:48:17.714 And then the insurance company through Canada post we'll do a, we'll pay you out. 00:48:17.714 --> 00:48:18.975 So I got three new ones to get. 00:48:18.975 --> 00:48:20.875 I still have these three that are registered to me. 00:48:21.045 --> 00:48:24.045 Every time you get an inspection for your renewal on your business 00:48:24.045 --> 00:48:25.755 license, the grill you about them. 00:48:25.785 --> 00:48:26.444 Where are those? 00:48:26.444 --> 00:48:26.775 Three? 00:48:26.835 --> 00:48:27.855 Same as last time. 00:48:27.884 --> 00:48:28.125 Right? 00:48:28.125 --> 00:48:28.755 Same as last time. 00:48:29.295 --> 00:48:30.375 So I said, well, hold on a second. 00:48:30.375 --> 00:48:31.185 What happens? 00:48:31.245 --> 00:48:35.654 They said, this is great because if they show up, then you get three free guns. 00:48:36.075 --> 00:48:37.185 I said, hold on a second. 00:48:37.755 --> 00:48:42.194 Like if the insurance company now paid for them, they're not my guns. 00:48:42.555 --> 00:48:44.265 Don't they belong to the insurance company. 00:48:44.415 --> 00:48:44.745 Right. 00:48:44.865 --> 00:48:48.795 Anyways, um, that always, but yeah, you're right to human nature. 00:48:49.065 --> 00:48:49.485 Yes. 00:48:49.515 --> 00:48:56.055 Guns go missing in Canada post, um, I don't know how this whole buyback 00:48:56.085 --> 00:48:57.555 thing is supposed to play out. 00:48:57.615 --> 00:49:04.605 I can only hope that a future election will help reverse. 00:49:05.455 --> 00:49:05.815 Yeah. 00:49:06.105 --> 00:49:07.725 I mean, in the big thing too is right. 00:49:07.725 --> 00:49:11.475 And like, you know, none of us are naive as to, you know, gun owners 00:49:11.475 --> 00:49:14.175 have been through this a lot of times. 00:49:14.295 --> 00:49:17.925 And the reality, the fact is the vast majority of that list is 00:49:17.925 --> 00:49:22.275 non-restricted and they're relying on people's good intentions and be 00:49:22.275 --> 00:49:24.405 honest and sending the stuff back in. 00:49:24.405 --> 00:49:26.265 So it'll be interesting to see how they report it. 00:49:26.265 --> 00:49:26.475 Right. 00:49:26.475 --> 00:49:30.915 If they get the ER, like if they get, so their big thing is like the air 15, right? 00:49:30.915 --> 00:49:33.135 Like, like, you know, like who cares at this point? 00:49:33.255 --> 00:49:36.975 Um, I think at those back, they're probably going to report it as like 00:49:37.035 --> 00:49:39.975 a 90% success rate because they got. 00:49:41.459 --> 00:49:42.930 The percent of the AAR's back. 00:49:42.930 --> 00:49:43.200 Right. 00:49:43.200 --> 00:49:44.040 But like, you know what I mean? 00:49:44.040 --> 00:49:46.470 Like, so the numb, no matter how this boils down the numbers are 00:49:46.589 --> 00:49:47.609 essentially going to be cooked. 00:49:48.149 --> 00:49:52.379 Um, as far as, you know, its success rate and people who know will know 00:49:52.379 --> 00:49:58.649 that it's absolute garbage and, um, you know, they'll just post it as like, you 00:49:58.649 --> 00:50:03.959 know, the great victory of whatever on, on CBC or whoever's talking about it 00:50:03.959 --> 00:50:05.549 this week, what do they say? 00:50:06.149 --> 00:50:08.339 There's liars damn layers and statisticians. 00:50:08.399 --> 00:50:08.640 Yeah. 00:50:08.669 --> 00:50:08.879 Right. 00:50:08.879 --> 00:50:10.140 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 00:50:10.140 --> 00:50:10.410 Right. 00:50:10.439 --> 00:50:11.250 You can make those numbers 00:50:11.250 --> 00:50:11.700 sing any 00:50:11.700 --> 00:50:12.109 way you want. 00:50:12.359 --> 00:50:13.169 Yeah, exactly. 00:50:13.200 --> 00:50:16.470 So it'll be interesting to see how they report on that. 00:50:16.709 --> 00:50:20.009 And it'll be interesting to, like, I gotta be a hundred percent honest. 00:50:20.069 --> 00:50:24.930 Um, I'm not down with sending a prohibited firearm. 00:50:24.959 --> 00:50:27.180 That's in my name in a box. 00:50:27.930 --> 00:50:29.129 Like, you know, like, you know what I mean? 00:50:29.129 --> 00:50:29.910 Like with no. 00:50:30.795 --> 00:50:33.435 So, if that goes missing, does it all on me? 00:50:33.795 --> 00:50:36.795 Does it all of a sudden become the property of the RC, like had happened 00:50:36.795 --> 00:50:37.335 in my clock. 00:50:37.335 --> 00:50:37.845 Exactly. 00:50:37.845 --> 00:50:39.915 But they're not like, so this is, it won't work that way. 00:50:39.915 --> 00:50:42.225 They're not transferring the guns out of your name. 00:50:42.225 --> 00:50:42.525 Right. 00:50:42.674 --> 00:50:43.125 Uh huh. 00:50:43.485 --> 00:50:46.845 Like I imagined because who are you going to transfer them to the cause if 00:50:46.845 --> 00:50:50.235 you transferred them to the RCMP, they have to go into, um, what's it called? 00:50:50.295 --> 00:50:54.255 Um, CFUs and exactly like it goes into a different system essentially. 00:50:54.255 --> 00:50:54.525 Right. 00:50:54.525 --> 00:50:57.075 And then they hold it in their arts, their system. 00:50:57.674 --> 00:51:01.695 Um, so yeah, like I N no fence, I'm not super down with like 00:51:01.695 --> 00:51:02.955 throwing my prohibited item. 00:51:02.955 --> 00:51:06.585 That's in my name that I'm responsible for in a box with a hundred thousand other 00:51:06.585 --> 00:51:09.105 Canadians and hoping that it gets there. 00:51:09.105 --> 00:51:11.805 And if it doesn't whose fault is it going to be? 00:51:11.985 --> 00:51:12.345 Right. 00:51:12.615 --> 00:51:14.625 And that's the other one that's always made me scratch my head. 00:51:15.615 --> 00:51:20.595 The person that is registered to will be the deemed owner of that firearm. 00:51:21.600 --> 00:51:25.259 Well, I mean, I can, you can register one of my cars in your name. 00:51:25.259 --> 00:51:26.430 It doesn't make it your car. 00:51:26.529 --> 00:51:29.370 I mean, look at the rental companies are looking at a leased vehicle, right? 00:51:29.430 --> 00:51:30.299 It's yeah. 00:51:30.299 --> 00:51:35.220 You're registered and licensed in, in your name, but at the end of the day, it isn't 00:51:35.220 --> 00:51:36.000 your vehicle. 00:51:36.270 --> 00:51:36.450 Yeah. 00:51:36.450 --> 00:51:39.120 And even if they do drop off centers, you're not allowed to transport them. 00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:40.799 Like, what do you like? 00:51:40.799 --> 00:51:41.430 So, you know what I mean? 00:51:41.430 --> 00:51:46.290 Like, there's a lot of, there's a lot of politics involved in this clearly because 00:51:46.290 --> 00:51:49.049 it's not thought out kind of smart. 00:51:49.980 --> 00:51:50.160 So 00:51:50.160 --> 00:51:51.660 what's the future of the gun industry. 00:51:51.750 --> 00:51:54.150 What's that looking like too in Canada? 00:51:54.150 --> 00:51:54.420 Anyway, 00:51:54.750 --> 00:51:59.759 um, it's hard to say, like, it's our industry's ties so hard to pull the 00:51:59.759 --> 00:52:07.080 current politics that, um, but for me, like, you know, I'm an optimist because 00:52:07.080 --> 00:52:08.700 this is my life and this is my obsession. 00:52:08.759 --> 00:52:12.690 It's guns and ammo until I'm dead essentially is what I'm going with. 00:52:12.690 --> 00:52:14.610 And, um, I think that. 00:52:15.420 --> 00:52:19.259 The way Canada is, is that we'll have firearms in some shape or form 00:52:19.890 --> 00:52:23.279 because we just, there's just too much untouched land here that people 00:52:23.279 --> 00:52:25.650 live in and all that kind of stuff. 00:52:25.650 --> 00:52:31.950 So the reality, the fact is, is that it's going to require a new government 00:52:32.160 --> 00:52:38.100 and a government to realize that like farms ownership is important in Canada 00:52:38.220 --> 00:52:45.540 and it's to stop using it as a, um, a soapbox to stand on and, you know, bump 00:52:45.540 --> 00:52:46.740 your stats and everything like that. 00:52:46.740 --> 00:52:49.230 So the future is it's really unknown right now. 00:52:49.230 --> 00:52:52.890 I've been between the shortages of firearms and ammunition right now 00:52:52.890 --> 00:52:54.150 with what's going on in the world. 00:52:54.660 --> 00:52:58.830 Um, you know, with Ukraine, Russia, China, all that kind of fun stuff. 00:52:58.890 --> 00:53:01.799 Um, again, then what's going on in the states. 00:53:02.490 --> 00:53:03.960 It's, everything's up in the air right now. 00:53:04.109 --> 00:53:06.480 Everyone's fighting for whatever product is available. 00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:06.630 And 00:53:07.230 --> 00:53:09.960 are you guys, I know some gun stores are putting limits on the number. 00:53:10.785 --> 00:53:13.485 Uh, on the amount of ammunition somebody can purchase. 00:53:14.025 --> 00:53:15.015 Are you guys doing that right now? 00:53:16.754 --> 00:53:17.745 We've thought about it. 00:53:18.044 --> 00:53:24.165 Um, right now we're not, we'll see, we were so, um, when we realized we 00:53:24.165 --> 00:53:29.234 were out of blue box 30 on six, um, we went pretty hard and bought hard. 00:53:29.265 --> 00:53:31.484 We bought a lot in deep what we could, where we could. 00:53:32.174 --> 00:53:37.095 Um, so we've got a pretty okay selection right now in the future. 00:53:37.095 --> 00:53:37.665 Who knows. 00:53:37.785 --> 00:53:41.055 Um, you know, I understand that federal for example is really not 00:53:41.055 --> 00:53:44.745 doing a lot of reloading, so, or it's ATK who does great, like the. 00:53:46.060 --> 00:53:46.720 Parent company. 00:53:46.720 --> 00:53:47.440 Yeah, exactly. 00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:47.650 Right. 00:53:47.650 --> 00:53:50.290 So they're like not doing a lot of reloading, so there's not going to be a 00:53:50.290 --> 00:53:53.650 lot of powder available primers perhaps because they're making ammunition. 00:53:54.700 --> 00:53:57.040 Um, but in the future, who knows you, I mean, if we get 00:53:57.040 --> 00:53:59.380 down to it, we might, but I 00:53:59.380 --> 00:54:03.580 wonder just thinking outside the box, because I guess I see the reasoning 00:54:03.610 --> 00:54:07.180 behind limiting ammunition so that one customer doesn't come in and buy 00:54:07.180 --> 00:54:08.770 it all out and nobody else gets it. 00:54:08.799 --> 00:54:11.110 Some gun stores are saying, we're not a museum. 00:54:11.319 --> 00:54:14.380 If somebody wants to buy a buy it, others are saying, well, it's only 00:54:14.380 --> 00:54:15.490 going to be fair to the others. 00:54:15.490 --> 00:54:16.810 And they got the scale system. 00:54:16.810 --> 00:54:22.600 I wonder if a buying club would be an interesting thing for a gun store to, 00:54:22.660 --> 00:54:25.120 to look at where people can pay to be a. 00:54:25.785 --> 00:54:31.935 Be involved with a, a club and as their numbers cycles through, they get X amount 00:54:31.935 --> 00:54:33.525 of whatever it is that they put on there. 00:54:34.125 --> 00:54:34.875 Ah, yeah. 00:54:35.115 --> 00:54:36.165 I wonder if that's an opportunity 00:54:36.165 --> 00:54:39.975 for, um, I think that like immediately for reloading stuff, 00:54:39.975 --> 00:54:41.055 that makes a lot of sense. 00:54:41.055 --> 00:54:44.835 Cause reloading stuff before all this is hard to get, right. 00:54:44.835 --> 00:54:47.865 Like, you know, and reloaders are kind of notorious hoarders. 00:54:48.465 --> 00:54:51.285 They, you know, they'll get 10,000 primers as much powder as they 00:54:51.285 --> 00:54:57.105 can, so I can see us a potentially limiting, uh, reloading stuff. 00:54:57.705 --> 00:55:01.965 Um, but yeah, I mean, that, that makes a lot of sense what you're saying there. 00:55:01.965 --> 00:55:04.995 Like, um, if it gets to, I mean, I hope it doesn't get to that point 00:55:04.995 --> 00:55:09.525 where we're seeing that, but we'll see what happens and I'm hoping 00:55:09.525 --> 00:55:12.225 that we'll go through it like a six, seven month window here of like. 00:55:13.095 --> 00:55:17.415 Well, maybe a bit longer, but you know, of the industry getting back 00:55:17.415 --> 00:55:21.015 to where it was and then you'll start seeing a flow back in. 00:55:21.525 --> 00:55:23.415 Um, so I don't know. 00:55:23.505 --> 00:55:23.895 We'll see. 00:55:24.075 --> 00:55:24.404 Yeah. 00:55:24.524 --> 00:55:28.245 Silvercore Club got members all across Canada and we worked something there. 00:55:29.174 --> 00:55:30.525 Um, Hmm. 00:55:31.065 --> 00:55:32.205 Just thinking about that. 00:55:32.924 --> 00:55:39.325 So, and so you guys, I think with the first gun store, I think once also was 00:55:39.345 --> 00:55:41.805 the first gun store to offer financing. 00:55:42.045 --> 00:55:42.615 Oh yes. 00:55:42.645 --> 00:55:46.185 For firearms and ammunition, I think you could finance too or 00:55:46.185 --> 00:55:46.395 not? 00:55:46.575 --> 00:55:47.205 Uh, no. 00:55:47.205 --> 00:55:51.075 So when we first started doing the financing, um, it was through a 00:55:51.075 --> 00:55:52.515 company called taco capital Corp. 00:55:52.634 --> 00:55:52.935 Okay. 00:55:53.595 --> 00:55:56.715 And I believe off the top of my head, the only thing you couldn't, 00:55:56.745 --> 00:55:59.115 you couldn't finance ammunition because they were like a. 00:56:00.360 --> 00:56:00.930 Explosive. 00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:02.550 Yeah, no, cause you use them, right? 00:56:02.550 --> 00:56:05.220 Like, so like financing a hamburger or something, right. 00:56:05.220 --> 00:56:07.710 Like you eat it exactly. 00:56:07.710 --> 00:56:08.010 Right. 00:56:08.010 --> 00:56:11.700 So yeah, we started doing that and like, um, that was really interesting. 00:56:11.700 --> 00:56:15.240 We had, uh, I think CTV or somebody, a few news companies 00:56:15.240 --> 00:56:17.220 came in and tried to spin it. 00:56:17.310 --> 00:56:20.280 And uh, I remember one specifically was so brutal. 00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:24.600 Like they had like the criminology professor at some university was like, 00:56:25.020 --> 00:56:29.580 essentially, like blatantly said, this is bad because now poor people can have guns. 00:56:31.680 --> 00:56:33.690 I was like, so like what? 00:56:33.720 --> 00:56:34.440 Like, this is insane. 00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:36.060 I can't believe they put this on the news. 00:56:36.120 --> 00:56:36.540 Wow. 00:56:36.570 --> 00:56:36.900 Right. 00:56:36.900 --> 00:56:38.010 So that's what they said. 00:56:38.010 --> 00:56:44.625 And like the reality of the fact is, is that, uh, For me personally, it's um, like 00:56:44.745 --> 00:56:48.105 when I want to buy something, if I can break it up into chunks, why wouldn't you? 00:56:48.105 --> 00:56:48.375 Right. 00:56:48.375 --> 00:56:49.875 Like, it makes a lot more sense. 00:56:49.875 --> 00:56:53.384 And especially it can help me make way dumber decisions financially. 00:56:53.415 --> 00:56:58.485 Like all of a sudden that $5,000 Nighthawk or something, it's an attainable thing. 00:56:58.485 --> 00:57:02.445 If I've only got to spend, um, down the road or, you know, a few bucks 00:57:02.445 --> 00:57:06.555 a month or whatever it is, but now a big one is settled for us. 00:57:06.615 --> 00:57:06.855 Okay. 00:57:06.884 --> 00:57:13.185 Um, that one's a lot easier as far as, um, the integration and all that stuff. 00:57:13.965 --> 00:57:17.685 Sessile is like a byte it's it became super popular with. 00:57:17.715 --> 00:57:20.384 Um, because so many people were stuck at home during the pandemic, 00:57:20.715 --> 00:57:23.325 essentially what it is is they'll do like bite-size payments. 00:57:23.325 --> 00:57:27.330 Like, so they'll do, um, Your payment broken up. 00:57:27.479 --> 00:57:30.899 Uh bi-weekly for, I think, six weeks or something like that. 00:57:30.899 --> 00:57:34.319 So it's not as long-term, but what it does is it allows you 00:57:34.319 --> 00:57:39.149 to, again, break it up over a few payments and they do do ammunition. 00:57:39.390 --> 00:57:40.319 They'll do everything right. 00:57:40.620 --> 00:57:41.910 And what's really cool about sizzle. 00:57:41.910 --> 00:57:42.810 Is there. 00:57:43.845 --> 00:57:45.134 Because we're in this industry. 00:57:45.404 --> 00:57:48.345 Um, we confirmed with them that they're okay with firearms and 00:57:48.345 --> 00:57:49.395 they're like, yeah, we're a hundred. 00:57:49.395 --> 00:57:49.634 Okay. 00:57:49.665 --> 00:57:50.055 We left. 00:57:50.174 --> 00:57:50.685 Totally. 00:57:51.015 --> 00:57:53.245 I do have to give a great shout out. 00:57:53.245 --> 00:57:56.265 Cause in this, you know, in this industry, in this world that we're 00:57:56.265 --> 00:58:01.214 currently living in, um, supporting our community doesn't mean a lot to us and me. 00:58:01.214 --> 00:58:04.095 So I'll always have a, you know, a place in my heart for says all 00:58:04.095 --> 00:58:08.384 for, you know, being somebody who supports the gun industry when 00:58:08.685 --> 00:58:10.125 you know, so many people don't, 00:58:10.365 --> 00:58:13.365 it's hard, it's hard for them to support the gun industry 00:58:13.424 --> 00:58:14.805 is a hundred percent social. 00:58:14.805 --> 00:58:15.194 Pressure's 00:58:15.194 --> 00:58:15.855 not on their side. 00:58:15.855 --> 00:58:16.515 Yeah, exactly. 00:58:16.555 --> 00:58:21.674 You know, I can take one tweet or one tech doc to sway a company's decision on 00:58:21.705 --> 00:58:23.355 who the who, and how they do business. 00:58:23.924 --> 00:58:26.145 So yeah, it's awesome. 00:58:26.145 --> 00:58:28.154 It's a great option for a lot of people. 00:58:28.245 --> 00:58:30.464 Um, and yeah, it's super easy to use. 00:58:30.674 --> 00:58:31.154 That's cool. 00:58:31.185 --> 00:58:31.575 How long have you 00:58:31.575 --> 00:58:32.085 been using them 00:58:32.085 --> 00:58:34.904 for says a little since I want to say September. 00:58:35.115 --> 00:58:35.475 Okay. 00:58:35.535 --> 00:58:39.585 Um, so yeah, it's still a kind of a new thing, but, um, yeah, it's, it's cool. 00:58:39.585 --> 00:58:40.904 And it's easy for everyone to use. 00:58:41.640 --> 00:58:41.760 Is 00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:42.630 anyone else using that? 00:58:43.020 --> 00:58:46.590 Yeah, I think a SFRC might be using it in a few other people. 00:58:46.980 --> 00:58:51.360 Um, it's, you know, I could see why some companies don't, cause 00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:52.680 it goes back to that conversation. 00:58:52.680 --> 00:58:56.250 We were just having a boat, you know, being the absolute cheapest in Canada 00:58:56.250 --> 00:59:00.590 and the margins aren't super high, um, in this industry, as it is and says, well 00:59:00.610 --> 00:59:03.000 does take, so it's 0% to the customer. 00:59:03.690 --> 00:59:05.850 Um, but they do take a percentage from the retailer. 00:59:06.390 --> 00:59:10.230 So if you're already running ridiculously low margins, 00:59:10.230 --> 00:59:11.640 that's barely keeping you going. 00:59:11.640 --> 00:59:14.910 And you're, depending on that high turn rate, the product, if 00:59:14.910 --> 00:59:19.080 they're taking their percentage out of it, it it's, it makes a giant 00:59:19.080 --> 00:59:20.640 difference in your company's profits. 00:59:20.790 --> 00:59:21.110 Right? 00:59:21.110 --> 00:59:21.350 Right. 00:59:21.420 --> 00:59:26.040 So some companies who don't, uh, who run those low margins, uh, you know, they 00:59:26.040 --> 00:59:30.120 won't take says Alon, but, um, as far as isolate, you know, we're happy to extend 00:59:30.120 --> 00:59:31.530 that to our customers as an option. 00:59:31.530 --> 00:59:32.640 And that's pretty cool. 00:59:32.670 --> 00:59:32.910 Yeah. 00:59:34.410 --> 00:59:39.000 So any other interesting advancements that you can see the industry moving 00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:42.300 in aside from the buyer's club, that aforementioned buyer's club? 00:59:42.810 --> 00:59:43.110 Yeah. 00:59:43.530 --> 00:59:46.560 Um, I mean, the technology is great now. 00:59:46.560 --> 00:59:49.470 I mean, when, um, you know, our website, for example, we're going 00:59:49.470 --> 00:59:52.650 to be launching a new website with soap box in the next little bit here. 00:59:53.010 --> 01:00:00.240 Um, you know, the, the industry was so far behind to get online from day one 01:00:00.690 --> 01:00:05.640 that like a lot of people still use their original websites from back in 01:00:05.640 --> 01:00:07.320 like the mid two thousands and stuff. 01:00:07.350 --> 01:00:11.445 And, um, I mean, if, uh, I think, is it, oh, what ups? 01:00:11.775 --> 01:00:12.045 Yup. 01:00:12.105 --> 01:00:13.815 You've got like that old school. 01:00:14.205 --> 01:00:14.415 Right. 01:00:14.445 --> 01:00:16.335 And the thing is, is a lot of people love that. 01:00:16.335 --> 01:00:16.545 Right? 01:00:16.545 --> 01:00:21.375 Like a lot of, lot of people love that older kind of thing, but you 01:00:21.375 --> 01:00:24.075 know, if you're selling stuff, like we are like backpacks and 01:00:24.075 --> 01:00:26.265 blow kits, all that kind of stuff. 01:00:26.325 --> 01:00:28.995 Um, you know, a new website lends itself to that. 01:00:29.445 --> 01:00:30.615 So that's really cool. 01:00:30.675 --> 01:00:35.385 Um, but yeah, as far as that goes, it's just as the technology 01:00:35.385 --> 01:00:39.135 increases is keeping up with it is the trick and knowing what 01:00:39.135 --> 01:00:40.725 kind of new cool stuff you can do. 01:00:41.205 --> 01:00:41.535 Yeah. 01:00:41.595 --> 01:00:42.855 Social media is a big part. 01:00:42.885 --> 01:00:44.445 I mean, I've said it for a long time. 01:00:45.105 --> 01:00:46.425 Um, kick 01:00:46.425 --> 01:00:47.505 talk, are you on Tik TOK yet? 01:00:47.655 --> 01:00:48.525 I'm trying, man. 01:00:49.685 --> 01:00:54.855 It's just, honestly, it's like, I can't describe tick tock to me is like, um, 01:00:57.000 --> 01:01:02.010 It's like plugging your brain into like, like techno music, almost like it's 01:01:02.010 --> 01:01:06.600 like, so like, like there's so much going on in karma, like 20 seconds, 01:01:06.600 --> 01:01:08.400 so much information all the time. 01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:14.190 So, um, my wife who helps me quite a bit with social media, um, she's slowly 01:01:14.790 --> 01:01:18.480 getting me into it, but I'm definitely not as deep into it as I should be. 01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:20.150 I mean, I see a lot of gun companies. 01:01:20.180 --> 01:01:21.900 I do see the advantage to tech doc, right. 01:01:21.900 --> 01:01:26.790 Because, um, again, it's like all social media platforms is direct to your customer 01:01:26.790 --> 01:01:29.370 without any, without any middlemen. 01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:30.060 So that's good. 01:01:30.060 --> 01:01:31.860 So we're going to be working on that slowly. 01:01:31.950 --> 01:01:35.400 Um, but again, it's hard to like with all the responsibilities, I have to 01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:38.070 film a funny tech talk during the day when we're filming, you know, 01:01:38.070 --> 01:01:41.190 when we have to film our commercials and do all that kind of stuff. 01:01:41.190 --> 01:01:41.400 Right. 01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:42.930 So it's, and there's a 01:01:42.930 --> 01:01:46.740 clamp down on Tik TOK, from what I understand on firearms related things. 01:01:46.740 --> 01:01:46.880 So. 01:01:47.640 --> 01:01:49.440 It makes it a little bit more difficult. 01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:51.930 And the only reason I got that is because they're showing some clips 01:01:51.930 --> 01:01:54.090 from the Ukraine and everyone's like, all, I guess they changed 01:01:54.090 --> 01:01:56.550 their firearms policy until yeah. 01:01:56.640 --> 01:01:59.340 Um, so I'm not a. 01:02:00.870 --> 01:02:04.440 I'm not well versed in the tech doc world, but I do understand that if you 01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:08.910 want to be relevant and you want people to hear you, you have to speak in the 01:02:08.910 --> 01:02:12.569 places where people are looking and that's exactly, and that's one of them. 01:02:12.660 --> 01:02:16.109 And I don't know if it necessarily always has to be funny or if it 01:02:16.109 --> 01:02:22.560 can be educational or informational or, uh, but I've thrown a couple up 01:02:22.560 --> 01:02:25.529 there myself, but I mean, for me, I'm just doing it for fun, right. 01:02:26.069 --> 01:02:27.240 I mean, I'm not selling product. 01:02:27.299 --> 01:02:27.960 It seemed like. 01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:28.200 Yeah. 01:02:28.200 --> 01:02:31.140 So that's the big thing too, is like, uh, you know, the algorithms 01:02:31.140 --> 01:02:32.640 are always running against us. 01:02:32.910 --> 01:02:33.270 Right. 01:02:33.299 --> 01:02:38.100 So, um, I've been doing some research to like, um, people I follow on 01:02:38.100 --> 01:02:39.600 Instagram and also have tech talk. 01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:43.049 Um, you know, and there, there, there are some cool stuff to do that I'm kind of, 01:02:43.080 --> 01:02:46.799 I'm writing some notes down and stuff to start doing that, but I think that's where 01:02:46.799 --> 01:02:50.250 the future of the gun industry is, is finding. 01:02:50.549 --> 01:02:52.400 I mean, there's, there's two ways on it. 01:02:52.410 --> 01:02:57.480 I mean, number one, you can say, Hey, from our cold dead hands and I'm through 01:02:57.480 --> 01:02:58.890 and through guns and ammo, right. 01:03:00.195 --> 01:03:04.425 And I sure that's an important stance and important way to do it, but it's 01:03:04.425 --> 01:03:10.935 also, uh, going up against a larger and larger force of opposite opposition. 01:03:11.175 --> 01:03:15.825 So if you can find that prevailing tide, that stream, that's going 01:03:15.825 --> 01:03:20.355 down and be able to ride that one with the firearms messaging. 01:03:20.835 --> 01:03:25.695 And that's, I think the difficult or the tricky part, how do we, how do we find 01:03:25.695 --> 01:03:28.785 the over overriding interest right now? 01:03:28.785 --> 01:03:30.375 That's probably, I'm gonna throw it out. 01:03:30.375 --> 01:03:34.695 There might be preparedness, uh, safety, survival. 01:03:34.695 --> 01:03:38.115 I mean, COVID probably awaken that and just leave the firearms is 01:03:38.445 --> 01:03:38.655 yeah. 01:03:38.685 --> 01:03:40.665 Two and I agree a hundred percent, right? 01:03:40.665 --> 01:03:40.995 Like there's. 01:03:42.240 --> 01:03:45.300 Like, so part of this, what I like about this industry too, is 01:03:45.300 --> 01:03:47.100 that it's all encompassing, right? 01:03:47.100 --> 01:03:51.090 So like first aid is a part of it, a wilderness, you know, going out into the 01:03:51.090 --> 01:03:53.100 Bush, wilderness, survival, preparedness. 01:03:53.130 --> 01:03:54.390 That's all part of it, which is good. 01:03:54.810 --> 01:03:58.800 The other thing too, that's important is, um, realizing we're living in a different 01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:01.140 time than we were in previous years. 01:04:01.140 --> 01:04:03.810 And what I don't want to say, I'm going to say it. 01:04:04.590 --> 01:04:05.640 I hope it is not taken the wrong way. 01:04:05.640 --> 01:04:08.280 Is watering down the message of yes. 01:04:08.310 --> 01:04:11.730 Guns and animal from my cold, dead hands, all that kind of fun stuff. 01:04:11.730 --> 01:04:12.720 That's sure. 01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:17.040 But you have to present it in a way that doesn't make, you seem like some kook 01:04:17.040 --> 01:04:20.400 living in a basement, like getting ready for an apocalypse that's not happening. 01:04:20.550 --> 01:04:20.880 Right. 01:04:21.120 --> 01:04:21.420 Right. 01:04:21.420 --> 01:04:23.310 So that's, what's really important. 01:04:23.310 --> 01:04:25.920 And a lot of people in the industry like fight against that. 01:04:26.100 --> 01:04:31.080 Um, and the reality is, is that times are changing and you have to 01:04:31.080 --> 01:04:34.070 get your message out there in a way that people are going to accept, not. 01:04:34.964 --> 01:04:36.555 That you think they should accept. 01:04:37.065 --> 01:04:37.335 Right. 01:04:37.335 --> 01:04:42.615 So, um, figuring that out and like, you know, for us, for me, what I'm super 01:04:42.615 --> 01:04:46.365 sarcastic and like, you know, I'm, I love comedy and all that kind of stuff. 01:04:46.365 --> 01:04:49.904 So doing those funny videos and stuff, that's how I like doing it personally. 01:04:49.904 --> 01:04:51.194 That's the only way of doing it. 01:04:51.194 --> 01:04:54.585 There's a lot of other ways, but for me, it's just like breaking down that barrier. 01:04:54.944 --> 01:04:58.634 Um, you know, when you do it in a funny way, people can see, oh, 01:04:58.665 --> 01:05:03.105 they're not just like a bunch of, you know, guys, you know, in a gun store 01:05:03.404 --> 01:05:07.575 talking about how awesome world war three would be or whatever it is. 01:05:07.575 --> 01:05:07.785 Right. 01:05:07.785 --> 01:05:09.734 Like it's just, we're just dudes. 01:05:09.765 --> 01:05:12.464 And this just, just happens to be what our passion is. 01:05:12.464 --> 01:05:14.415 It's no different than anybody else's passion. 01:05:14.865 --> 01:05:15.765 Um, yeah. 01:05:15.765 --> 01:05:18.705 And it's just presenting it to people to where, you know, they can feel 01:05:18.705 --> 01:05:21.435 okay, walking into a gun store, asking questions to somebody who owns 01:05:21.435 --> 01:05:23.415 guns and they're not going to get. 01:05:24.525 --> 01:05:27.765 Well, you need it to defend your life in case the end of the world is happening. 01:05:27.765 --> 01:05:30.315 And it's just also cool and fun. 01:05:30.945 --> 01:05:32.925 That's a large aspect of it. 01:05:32.925 --> 01:05:35.955 And you know, I always tell people that when they're first guns, I was 01:05:35.955 --> 01:05:38.355 like, it's 50% function and it's 50%. 01:05:38.355 --> 01:05:41.805 What you think is cool, because if you don't, I could tell you what the 01:05:41.805 --> 01:05:43.305 greatest gun in the world is going to be. 01:05:43.305 --> 01:05:45.795 If you don't think it's cool, you're not going to want to use it. 01:05:46.065 --> 01:05:46.275 Yeah. 01:05:46.305 --> 01:05:48.465 So, you know, that's an important part of it. 01:05:48.465 --> 01:05:48.705 Right. 01:05:49.245 --> 01:05:50.535 Awesome, man. 01:05:50.535 --> 01:05:52.395 We've covered kind of the gamut here. 01:05:52.455 --> 01:05:55.035 Is there anything that we missed that we should be touching on? 01:05:55.425 --> 01:05:59.415 Um, I don't know, like, um, off the top of my head, I can't think of it. 01:06:00.240 --> 01:06:00.690 Okay. 01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:04.920 Well, if the audience wants to learn more about anything, I'm 01:06:04.920 --> 01:06:08.490 sure they can leave comments and they can write in a, what is it? 01:06:08.490 --> 01:06:10.860 podcast@silvercore.ca perfect. 01:06:10.950 --> 01:06:13.470 I can go to one soul so they can check out. 01:06:13.650 --> 01:06:14.190 Is it once 01:06:14.190 --> 01:06:16.410 those.com no one sells online.com. 01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:18.150 Juan installs, online.com. 01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:21.479 So I was.com is like some family law office in like South Carolina. 01:06:22.650 --> 01:06:22.799 Well, 01:06:22.799 --> 01:06:23.880 you can leave him some messages. 01:06:24.180 --> 01:06:26.160 They might, they might be good enough to forward that over. 01:06:26.759 --> 01:06:29.830 Uh, Matt, thank you very much for being on the Silvercore 01:06:29.850 --> 01:06:30.299 Podcast. 01:06:30.390 --> 01:06:31.170 Thank you for having me, man. 01:06:31.319 --> 01:06:31.799 Appreciate it.