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All right.

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It was a slow news week,

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so we are leaning into it.

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This week,

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we're going to focus on lots of listener

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questions and comments,

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but we do still have a few interesting

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stories about Mozilla, AMD,

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and some sketchy smart TVs on This Week

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in Privacy number fifty nine.

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So stick around.

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Welcome back to This Week in Privacy,

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our weekly series where we discuss the

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latest updates with what we've been

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working on within the Privacy Guides

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community,

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and this week's top stories in data

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privacy and cybersecurity.

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I'm Jordan,

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and with me this week is Nate.

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How are you, Nate?

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I'm good.

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Felt like it was both a fast and

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short week.

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How have you been?

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Yeah,

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definitely feels like this week has been a

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lot slower than one of the slowest weeks

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we've had in a very long time.

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Let's just say that.

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So yeah,

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we can dive right into some listener

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questions here.

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Why don't you take the first one?

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Yeah, sure thing.

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So like I said,

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we're doing things a little bit

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differently this week,

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just trying something new.

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Let us know what you guys think.

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But we're going to start off this week,

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since this is kind of a Q&A episode,

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with some of our listener questions.

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We'll kind of intersperse those as we go.

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But first up,

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we're going to pull from the forum.

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And one of the questions we got this

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week was,

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are there any privacy advantages to using

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a desktop operating system, such as Linux,

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Mac, or Windows,

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over Graphene OS.

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And they said the only thing they can

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think of is that the Tor browser seems

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to be better at anti-fingerprinting on

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desktop,

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but I don't have conclusive evidence of

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that.

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Just a few tests I've run myself.

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So yeah, in my opinion,

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the way that I always explain these things

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to people is that phones are more secure

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from what I understand, just in general,

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especially Graphene for sure.

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But phones are more secure,

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whereas computers are a lot more flexible.

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I think it was...

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I don't know if it was Kerry Parker

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or one of his guests one time,

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but basically they were talking about cell

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phones,

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and they said that from a security

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perspective,

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we kind of took all the mistakes that

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we learned from computers and applied them

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to phones when we started making

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smartphones.

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So smartphones have really good

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sandboxing.

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They're really good.

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I think they're technically immutable.

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You know, personally,

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I've never seen a smartphone update fail

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and then like the whole phone bricks.

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It just knows how to kind of like

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roll back stuff like that.

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So phones are really good at that.

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The drawback is you don't really have as

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much

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uh, flexibility in terms of being able to,

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um, you know,

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things like for the most part, uh,

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installing alternate operating systems,

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that's kind of something that only a few

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Androids can do.

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Or like you said, like certain, um,

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like I know with, with iOS,

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you're stuck using the, uh, like all the,

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the,

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the browsers are based on WebKit except in

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Europe.

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So, um,

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it's definitely harder to get privacy on a

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phone.

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And then of course there's,

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I forgot to mention,

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there's the SIM card tracking you

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everywhere, cell towers.

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So it's definitely harder to do privacy on

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a phone, but they are more secure.

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So it's definitely a trade-off there.

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Yeah, but privacy advantages specifically,

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I think most desktops will have that,

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especially with some tweaking,

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maybe not Windows.

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But yeah,

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those are kind of my thoughts on that

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one.

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Did I miss anything?

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Yeah, no, all good thoughts.

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I think I agree with everything you said.

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But also, I think sometimes it's...

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you need to think about the specific

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situation for what you need, right?

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Like maybe you need, you know,

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like the Tor browser, for example,

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you did mention that like it does offer

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better fingerprinting protection on

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desktop, right?

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Compared to the Android app,

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that is one like small increase, I think.

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It depends like, you know,

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if you need that level of protection,

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then maybe you should be using a desktop

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or like Tails OS or something like that.

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But I think as well,

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we think about like,

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Privacy on macOS and Windows is definitely

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nowhere near what it is on Graphene OS

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because everything is, you know,

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there's not any telemetry basically.

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So I think you kind of got to

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weigh up what you want, right?

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Like you can have...

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some level of security and privacy with

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graphene os whereas you know if you're

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using a windows computer or mac os

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computer you can have some level of

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security but you're not going to have any

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privacy like well not any privacy but

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you're going to have less privacy than

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than using a graphene os phone um

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And I think one thing that also kind

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of limits you is because Google kind of

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has a lot of control over Android.

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Like it's hard to get apps outside the

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Google Play Store,

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which kind of funnels you into using

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Google.

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It's also becoming like a lot harder to

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actually make a Google account without

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providing like personally identifiable

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information.

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So, you know,

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you've got to think about it like that

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as well.

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I think...

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Desktop operating systems have that

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benefit, right?

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Like, they are more decentralized.

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Like, with macOS,

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you just download a DMG file.

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With Windows, you download an EXE.

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And then, you know,

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Linux is kind of a different situation.

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But it's... Yeah,

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there's definitely a funnel of...

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of things like if you're using Google Play

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services on GrapheneOS,

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I think you're definitely going to be

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taking a hit from a privacy perspective

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because you are having to log in.

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Well, you don't have to log in,

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but you probably are going to want to

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if you want to download apps, right?

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So, yeah,

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that's kind of my thought on it.

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It kind of depends on what you want

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and what you need.

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Like you can't use a Graphene OS phone

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to like edit videos or play video games.

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So I think you might need to just

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tailor your devices to what you actually

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need.

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Yeah, for sure.

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And yeah,

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that's a really good point about a desktop

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OS,

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especially from a telemetry perspective.

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There are certain things that desktop can

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do better.

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We keep talking about the Tor

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fingerprinting thing, but to be fair,

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that was a really good point.

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I left out a lot of telemetry,

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for example,

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which things like graphene reduce by

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default or proxy through the graphene

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servers first.

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So it really depends specifically what

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kind of privacy you're looking for,

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for sure.

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But yeah.

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Yeah.

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Hello to our first two people who have

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hopped in and welcome to the chat.

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But we did actually have a few stories

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this week.

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Unless you had anything else you wanted to

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add to that question,

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I think we can jump into our first

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story.

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Yeah, sounds good.

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Let's jump into the first story here.

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I guess this is a

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Update, I suppose,

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because we've talked about Mozilla quite a

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bit here.

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And to say we are critical might be

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an understatement.

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But here's kind of like what's going on

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at Mozilla at the moment.

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Announcing Mozilla.org.

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The web is evolving.

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So are we.

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Earlier this month,

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we stood up Mozilla.org,

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a new Fiverr one C three nonprofit created

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to steward the long term success of the

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Mozilla project.

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Over the last year or so,

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I guess this is from Mark Sermon,

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who I think is pretty high up at

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Mozilla.

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Over the last year or so,

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I've said a lot about how AI is

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reshaping the web and how we need to

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simultaneously stand up for the open

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internet Mozilla helped to build and shape

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what the internet is becoming in the AI

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era.

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This is a huge and urgent challenge.

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So I think a lot of people here

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will be kind of

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confused by this i think mozilla's

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corporate structure is kind of confusing

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like they have the mozilla foundation

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which is like a non-profit and then the

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mozilla foundation owns um

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the Mozilla Corporation,

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and it's like all this sort of complicated

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stuff.

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So I guess we can scroll down here.

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We have created Mozilla.org to pull all of

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the different pieces of Mozilla together.

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It will act like a strategic endowment,

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allocating funding, managing our brands,

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and shaping long-term strategy to ensure

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every part of Mozilla is well set up

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to advance the vision outlined in the

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Mozilla manifesto.

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And if we're successful,

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it will help all the pieces of Mozilla

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add up to more than the sum of

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their parts.

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This is an important milestone for

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Mozilla.

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The challenge of fusing the values of the

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Mozilla manifesto into this next era of

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the internet is huge.

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This updated structure will make it easier

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to nimbly direct our resources and

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orchestrate our actions to step up to this

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challenge.

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So this is kind of confusing, right?

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So they explain it more here.

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All of Mozilla's organization remains

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under the umbrella of the five Oh one

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C three Mozilla foundation with a new

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nonprofit operating the Mozilla portfolio

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of organizations on its behalf.

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So yeah,

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I guess throwing it back to Nate here,

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because I don't really feel like I have

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a huge amount to add more to this.

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This is just like a corporate

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restructuring, I guess.

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And I'm not really sure.

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I think Mozilla has been making weird

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decisions recently as well.

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So I'm not really sure how I feel

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about this, to be honest.

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Yeah,

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I was really confused by this because

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Jonah did a little bit more digging when

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we shared this in the group chat.

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And it seems like this isn't really...

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Because my first thought was like, okay,

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they're doing the proton thing, right?

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Where there's a foundation that holds the

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overall organization.

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And that way it's like...

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It ensures that the for-profit arm always

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has to act ethically within accordance to

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the wider mission.

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But apparently that is not what's going on

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here.

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And...

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So, yeah,

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Mozilla is really weird because there's

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like you said,

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there's the Mozilla Foundation that

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technically owns everything else,

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including this Mozilla.org thing.

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And then there's the Mozilla Corporation

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that is the for profit arm.

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And I think they're also the ones that

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are in charge of Firefox,

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if I'm not mistaken.

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But then there's also like what else is

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there?

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There's a let me see here.

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I think there's something else that

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controls Thunderbird.

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Yeah, let's see here.

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There's MZLA, which makes Thunderbird.

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There's Mozilla Ventures,

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which is probably one of our,

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me personally at least,

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is one of my biggest targets of criticism.

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It's their venture capital arm,

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which invests in startups,

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which usually invests in things that to a

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lot of us seem very counter to Mozilla's

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mission,

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like an ad company that they claim is

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privacy preserving and all kinds of crap.

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And then there's Mozilla.ai,

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which is what it sounds like.

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And of course,

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none of us are super crazy about that,

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I think.

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I don't know.

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Yeah, Mozilla.

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I need you all to understand I'm very

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critical of Mozilla.

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And it's because I want them to be

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better.

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It's one of those things where I don't

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take joy in watching Mozilla.

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be stupid for lack of a better way

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to put it.

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It's one of those things where it's like,

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I'm mad because I want them to be

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better.

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I want Firefox to have wider adoption.

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Like my first browser,

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Um, growing up as a teenager, I was,

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I was relatively tech savvy,

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but not compared to a lot of people.

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And so I think I used internet Explorer

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up until high school when of course it

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was a girl,

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a girl got me using Firefox.

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And then I used Firefox for years until

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I eventually switched over to Chrome.

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And then that's when I got into privacy

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and I started using other browsers,

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but like,

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so I have a soft spot for Firefox.

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It was like my first non-mainstream

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browser.

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And it was like really cool.

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And at the time,

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It did things that other browsers couldn't

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up until Chrome came along.

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And it's just,

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it's so frustrating to see them.

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They had this amazing project that used to

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be trailblazing and now it's like falling

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behind everybody.

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And it's just, it's so frustrating.

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And so, yeah,

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it's really confusing that like,

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like I said,

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Mozilla keeps making all these really

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questionable decisions.

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Like,

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Um, they're, they're, they're, they're,

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they're, they're, they're, they're,

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they're, they're, they're,

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What was it called?

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It was an extension called Fake Spotter,

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which was supposed to spot fake product

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reviews,

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which is one of those things that it's

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like, okay,

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I'm sure this is a good product,

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but why is that a Mozilla thing?

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Why is this something Mozilla is investing

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in?

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Whereas at least the advertising thing,

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which was horribly handled,

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but the overall idea, it's like, okay,

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I see why this would be relevant to

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Mozilla.

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And now they're getting into AI,

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but the whole AI thing to me feels

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like a day late and a dollar short.

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Now that everybody else is so far into

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the bubble that they're starting to pop,

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it now is when Mozilla decides to jump

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on the train.

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And they did it... Once again,

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the execution was terrible because if you

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look into the privacy policy, by default,

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Firefox has little chatbots in the

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sidebar.

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It's just a proxy, quote-unquote proxy,

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for the main chatbots.

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And the reason I say quote-unquote proxy

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is because it's not even a good proxy.

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It's like...

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you open it and it's like okay you

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can start a conversation with chat gpt and

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there's no privacy protections at all like

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at least with things like duckduckgo and

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leo it's like you're still using those

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those main models but they host the models

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or they're proxying all your requests so

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like there's a layer of privacy there

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But with Mozilla, it's like, no,

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it just mainlines you straight to chat

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GPT.

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There's no privacy whatsoever.

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They signed a deal with Perplexity,

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which is like an AI search engine.

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And it's the same thing.

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Like if you read the announcement,

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it's like, oh,

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Perplexity's privacy policy applies.

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And it's like,

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what is the point of you?

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Like,

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what are you doing that's innovating or

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protecting my privacy in any way,

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shape or form?

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And I'm fairly critical of DuckDuckGo,

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but even DuckDuckGo is doing more than you

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guys.

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And so, sorry,

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I know that was kind of a rant,

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but yeah,

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like this is just another thing where it's

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like,

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What was the point of this?

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And what is the point of, like,

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why this whole mission here?

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What is it?

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It's going to, like,

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it will act like a strategic endowment,

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allocating funding, managing our brands,

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and shaping our long-term strategy.

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Then what is the Mozilla Foundation doing?

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Like,

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isn't that the Mozilla Foundation's job?

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Like, okay,

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you've offloaded this responsibility to

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them.

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Now what are you guys doing instead?

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Like, it's just...

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Yeah, it's really confusing,

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and I don't understand where they're

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going.

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And again,

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I hate to criticize because I want them

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to do better,

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but I feel like Mozilla just...

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I feel like they have no idea what

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they're doing.

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I feel like they're just blindly flailing

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around and hoping that they find

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something.

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And it doesn't feel like they have a

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strategy.

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It doesn't feel like they have a vision.

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It doesn't feel like they actually know

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what they're doing or where they're going.

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And yeah, I mean, again,

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I want to make it very clear.

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Pains me to say that.

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I want them to do better, but...

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they keep doing crap like this.

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There was a brief moment.

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What was it last year where I was

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like, they,

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I thought there was actually hope.

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Cause I thought they were doing some

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really cool things.

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Like they added translations to Android.

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They added a couple of privacy features.

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Like they added some stuff late last year

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that I'm like, okay, okay.

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We're moving in a good direction.

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I like this.

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And now we're right back to this crap.

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So.

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Um, a little bit ranty, but yeah,

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this is, this is really, to me,

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I don't know, maybe,

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maybe somebody at Firefox can,

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or Mozilla can like write in and tell

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me why I'm wrong.

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Cause I'm open to it.

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But to me,

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this just feels like more like, like,

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I don't know what if we changed our

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name, you know, that'll fix anything.

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So it just feels like a waste of

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resources to me.

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I think the thing that kind of frustrates

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people the most about, like, Mozilla is,

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like,

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they have the money to actually do

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something good.

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Like,

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they get all this money from Google and,

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like, all this money from, you know,

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people donating and stuff.

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And, like, they spend it on, like,

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the most silly stuff,

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like you were saying,

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like the Mozilla AI stuff.

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Like, I think...

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it kind of is a bit indicative, right?

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Like they added all these AI features and

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then they added an AI kill switch.

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Like, so what was the point?

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Like if you think people aren't going to

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want it,

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like why are you adding it in the

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first place?

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Well, to be fair,

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they only added the AI kill switch after

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everybody vehemently said they don't want

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this crap.

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And actually that is one of the few

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things I'll give them is I feel like

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their kill switch was very well done

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because there's a single button at the top

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to just disable AI everything.

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or you can go through and pick very

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specific like the ai translations i'm like

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okay that i'm down for that i don't

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mind because i think that's all done on

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device and stuff but then like you can

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disable the ai chat bot in the sidebar

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that i was talking about so it's like

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that's the one thing they've done recently

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that i'm like i i like that that

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was very well done although i also accept

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the argument that the ai probably

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shouldn't have been in there in the first

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place so

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Yeah,

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I think – but I think the main

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thing that I think, like,

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is kind of frustrating with that is, like,

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I think Mozilla is trying to be, like,

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a big tech company when, like,

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they're not – that's, like,

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the opposite of – that's why people are

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using Firefox.

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They're using Firefox because they don't

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want to use Google Chrome because they

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don't want to use, like,

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some other big tech browser, right?

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Like, it's like they're so unaware of,

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like, the reason people are using them.

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Like, it's just –

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It's bizarre.

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And I think that if they actually did

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put money into improving things and

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actually making... Well,

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maybe it's paying off.

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Maybe all this AI stuff that they're

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adding is actually paying off for them.

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I don't know.

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But I personally am not interested in that

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at all.

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Yeah, I agree.

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And to me, it's also the implementation.

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At least...

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DuckDuckGo and Leo,

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they do all these things where it's like

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there's a layer of privacy there.

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Even if it's not enough,

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I'll accept that argument too.

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But it's like Firefox's AI implementation

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is just like, hey,

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here's a shortcut to chat GPT.

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And?

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So yeah, it's crazy.

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I don't know what's going on there,

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but I really hope they get it together

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because I do like Firefox.

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I...

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I don't know.

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I like it.

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I would not be opposed to using it

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more often.

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I just really need them to figure it

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out.

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LeVar, the tech guy here, said,

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Firefox now has AI tabs or smart tabs

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or whatever they're calling it.

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Yeah, that's another example.

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I don't know.

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Maybe it's me.

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But they have this feature where you can

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group tabs together,

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and then the AI will automatically name

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the tabs based on whatever they are.

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And it's like, why?

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Why?

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Why?

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Do I really need the AI to like,

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and also do you really need,

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maybe this is one of those things where

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it's like marketing is everything's AI

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now, even when it's not AI,

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but it's like,

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do you need AI to do that?

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But it's weird, man.

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It's weird.

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So I don't know.

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I think that's all I got on that

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story.

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Yeah, me too.

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Not much to,

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not much more to add there.

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Alrighty.

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Well then in that case,

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we'll move on to another story from AMD.

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Yeah.

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And this one's pretty crazy.

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So this one started last week.

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And at the time,

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we didn't really talk about it because

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there wasn't too much to say.

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But now that the story has evolved a

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little more, it's definitely interesting.

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So AMD...

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For any audio listeners, it says,

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following user outcry,

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AMD reinstates memory encryption in

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consumer CPUs.

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So AMD has this thing called TSME,

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which is Transparent Secure Memory

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Encryption,

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and it encrypts the entire content stored

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in memory,

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making the data useless to adversaries,

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performing cold boot attacks and similar

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intrusions requiring physical access.

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And I want to come back to that

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in a little bit.

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But...

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So they say this was added about a

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decade ago and it was specifically added

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to the high end CPUs.

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Um,

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but over time they kind of started rolling

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it out to the lower end of processors

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as well,

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including the consumer version of the

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Ryzen chips.

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And, um,

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basically I want to say it was last

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week or, uh, yeah,

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sometime within the last couple of weeks,

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um,

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people noticed that suddenly this

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protection was missing from the chips.

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Um, I think there's basically, uh,

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like a setting in the BIOS where you

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can go turn it on or off or

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whatever.

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And, uh, you know, to people's credit,

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the way that I first heard this story

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is like, at first, um,

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people didn't jump to conclusions.

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Uh, they were, uh,

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they were rightfully asking like,

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you know, hey, where'd this go?

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And they reached out to some AMD employees

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on social media and they were like, hmm,

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that's a good question.

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I'll see if I can find out.

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And eventually they kind of clammed up

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just like, yeah, I can't really say,

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which if I remember correctly,

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that's actually what one of them said is

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like, I can't say.

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So is it like you don't know or

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like you're not allowed?

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But people, you know,

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kind of raised hell and AMD basically was

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like, oh, okay, well, we'll bring it back.

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Which is great, for the record.

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They said it'll roll out in a firmware

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update scheduled for July, so that's good.

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The interesting things to note here are

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there's really no explanation why it went

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away in the first place.

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I think you could make a very valid

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argument for the fact that,

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from what I understand,

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this was never promised.

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to lower-end CPU users.

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It was just kind of one of those

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things that it's like, oh, here,

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you can have it too.

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But when you have it for the better

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part of a decade,

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people kind of come to expect it.

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And this Ars Technica article noted that

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this has been a real problem with big

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tech companies lately.

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They say, once upon a time,

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big tech and corporations in general were

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willing to try to acknowledge service and

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product changes to ensure customers had a

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predictable experience.

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They also showed a willingness to admit

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mistakes and say how they plan to do

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better.

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Now there's only silence.

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As the company's power and dominance has

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mushroomed,

00:22:03.099 --> 00:22:04.181
their sense of accountability has

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diminished proportionally.

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AMD did not respond to questions sent for

00:22:07.084 --> 00:22:09.385
this story, which is really disappointing.

00:22:09.685 --> 00:22:11.126
I have a very high opinion of AMD.

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And if anybody from AMD is listening,

00:22:13.148 --> 00:22:15.250
please do better in the future because I

00:22:15.270 --> 00:22:15.771
know you can.

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But it's...

00:22:20.449 --> 00:22:21.530
The article kind of speculates.

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I mean, that's all we can do, right?

00:22:22.531 --> 00:22:23.452
They didn't really say why.

00:22:23.492 --> 00:22:26.076
They did say that it's possible that this

00:22:26.096 --> 00:22:26.837
was just like a...

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What's the word I'm looking for?

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As their product line continues to grow,

00:22:34.807 --> 00:22:35.169
maybe...

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I'm struggling for the right words here.

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Um,

00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:41.820
like basically maybe it became a hassle to

00:22:41.861 --> 00:22:43.402
support so many chips and that's why they

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kind of dropped it.

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Um, which is entirely possible.

00:22:47.005 --> 00:22:48.405
But again, they never said, we don't know.

00:22:48.866 --> 00:22:50.347
They also said that, uh, cause I mean,

00:22:50.367 --> 00:22:51.409
it's definitely an intentional thing.

00:22:51.429 --> 00:22:51.608
It's like,

00:22:51.628 --> 00:22:53.329
there was a whole setting in the firmware

00:22:53.349 --> 00:22:54.310
menu that disappeared.

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So it's not like, Oh,

00:22:55.771 --> 00:22:56.813
this toggle stopped working.

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It's like, this toggle is gone.

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Like somebody went in there and knowingly

00:22:59.615 --> 00:23:00.175
removed it.

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Um,

00:23:02.153 --> 00:23:04.315
They also noted that you can make the

00:23:04.355 --> 00:23:05.474
argument that maybe this was like a

00:23:05.515 --> 00:23:07.596
performance thing because a lot of gamers

00:23:07.636 --> 00:23:08.156
will use,

00:23:08.277 --> 00:23:09.758
I think they said like the Ryzen nine

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thousand was the one they cited

00:23:11.019 --> 00:23:11.539
specifically.

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And, you know,

00:23:13.861 --> 00:23:16.202
since encrypting and decrypting does

00:23:16.242 --> 00:23:17.284
require performance hit,

00:23:17.824 --> 00:23:19.144
a lot of people disable it.

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But I don't know, in my opinion,

00:23:22.768 --> 00:23:23.909
like this is kind of my main thought

00:23:24.148 --> 00:23:25.650
that that I have to share.

00:23:25.910 --> 00:23:26.650
I mean, just in general,

00:23:26.711 --> 00:23:27.971
not like this is like the big thought,

00:23:28.010 --> 00:23:30.093
but, you know, it's to me, it's like.

00:23:33.218 --> 00:23:34.538
The more tech savvy people,

00:23:34.719 --> 00:23:36.500
like the high-end pro gamers,

00:23:37.060 --> 00:23:38.362
they know how to tweak their PCs.

00:23:38.563 --> 00:23:39.303
They know how to go in.

00:23:39.323 --> 00:23:40.324
They know how to change the settings.

00:23:40.344 --> 00:23:41.244
They know how to overclock it.

00:23:41.265 --> 00:23:42.265
They know how to do all this stuff.

00:23:42.705 --> 00:23:43.967
So the fact that you could go in

00:23:43.987 --> 00:23:45.768
and disable this, in my opinion, is fine.

00:23:45.948 --> 00:23:47.308
Like they know how to do it and

00:23:47.348 --> 00:23:48.029
they can do it.

00:23:49.230 --> 00:23:50.511
But defaults matter.

00:23:50.892 --> 00:23:52.432
You know, a vast number of people

00:23:53.413 --> 00:23:54.534
Do not know what this thing is.

00:23:54.594 --> 00:23:55.534
Do not know how to go in and

00:23:55.594 --> 00:23:56.615
enable it or disable it.

00:23:58.134 --> 00:23:59.576
I didn't know this was a thing until

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I read this story.

00:24:00.777 --> 00:24:01.957
And so they're just going to leave the

00:24:01.977 --> 00:24:02.416
defaults.

00:24:02.616 --> 00:24:04.357
And for the vast majority of people who,

00:24:04.377 --> 00:24:05.038
because, you know,

00:24:05.098 --> 00:24:06.439
tech is constantly advancing, right?

00:24:06.479 --> 00:24:08.440
Like we're at a point now where I

00:24:08.460 --> 00:24:10.080
will probably never buy anything below

00:24:10.121 --> 00:24:12.201
like an iNine or a Ryzen nine or,

00:24:12.221 --> 00:24:12.501
you know,

00:24:13.502 --> 00:24:14.823
nothing below sixteen gigs of RAM,

00:24:14.863 --> 00:24:15.943
probably more than that now that I do

00:24:15.963 --> 00:24:16.443
video editing.

00:24:16.943 --> 00:24:17.484
And so, you know,

00:24:17.525 --> 00:24:18.605
but back in the day you used to

00:24:18.625 --> 00:24:19.846
get away with eight gigs of Ram and

00:24:19.866 --> 00:24:21.407
maybe like an I five or whatever.

00:24:21.887 --> 00:24:23.088
And so my point being is like,

00:24:23.650 --> 00:24:25.351
it's not hard to see a world where

00:24:26.112 --> 00:24:28.153
even just the casual person is buying a

00:24:28.192 --> 00:24:29.634
computer that has one of these better

00:24:29.654 --> 00:24:32.297
chips in it just because it's on sale

00:24:32.317 --> 00:24:33.278
for black Friday or whatever.

00:24:33.718 --> 00:24:34.459
And so they do it.

00:24:34.979 --> 00:24:36.339
And now the default is like,

00:24:36.400 --> 00:24:37.361
this encryption is enabled.

00:24:37.901 --> 00:24:39.221
And, um,

00:24:39.241 --> 00:24:40.083
the last thing I kind of wanted to

00:24:40.123 --> 00:24:40.663
point out is like,

00:24:41.962 --> 00:24:43.544
This protects against physical attacks,

00:24:43.584 --> 00:24:44.564
which again is one of those things that

00:24:44.584 --> 00:24:45.183
it's like, yeah,

00:24:45.203 --> 00:24:46.565
I don't think that's a huge threat for

00:24:46.984 --> 00:24:48.545
ninety percent of people watching this,

00:24:48.565 --> 00:24:49.385
maybe even more than that.

00:24:49.965 --> 00:24:50.766
However, comma.

00:24:52.106 --> 00:24:54.208
When the barrier to entry is so low,

00:24:54.268 --> 00:24:54.827
why wouldn't you?

00:24:54.887 --> 00:24:55.107
Right.

00:24:55.228 --> 00:24:56.127
So it's one of those things where it's

00:24:56.147 --> 00:24:56.268
like,

00:24:56.327 --> 00:24:58.669
why wouldn't you give good defaults and

00:24:58.689 --> 00:25:00.130
just turn it on and make sure it's

00:25:00.170 --> 00:25:00.529
there?

00:25:01.430 --> 00:25:02.990
And then if people want to turn it

00:25:03.070 --> 00:25:04.490
off, presumably they know what it is.

00:25:04.510 --> 00:25:05.291
They know how to do it.

00:25:05.332 --> 00:25:07.211
They know why it's causing issues and they

00:25:07.231 --> 00:25:08.153
can go in and turn it off.

00:25:08.272 --> 00:25:08.432
Like,

00:25:08.712 --> 00:25:09.833
I don't see what was wrong with that

00:25:09.873 --> 00:25:11.153
system and why they got rid of it.

00:25:11.253 --> 00:25:11.433
But

00:25:13.894 --> 00:25:14.134
You know,

00:25:14.555 --> 00:25:16.656
I'll end by echoing what Ars Technica said

00:25:16.676 --> 00:25:16.856
here,

00:25:16.896 --> 00:25:18.837
which is despite AMD's continued opacity

00:25:18.857 --> 00:25:19.398
about the incident,

00:25:19.419 --> 00:25:20.819
the company deserves credit for restoring

00:25:20.859 --> 00:25:21.380
TSME.

00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:22.740
Customers complained, some bitterly,

00:25:22.820 --> 00:25:24.301
and AMD heard and granted their demands.

00:25:24.342 --> 00:25:25.962
So yeah, I mean,

00:25:25.982 --> 00:25:28.484
good on them for reversing course and

00:25:29.326 --> 00:25:29.865
fixing that.

00:25:30.006 --> 00:25:33.048
But yeah, I don't know.

00:25:33.067 --> 00:25:34.589
I think that kind of sums up all

00:25:34.609 --> 00:25:35.470
my thoughts on that one.

00:25:35.509 --> 00:25:37.491
Did you have any additional things that

00:25:37.511 --> 00:25:39.313
jumped out at you?

00:25:39.413 --> 00:25:41.493
I definitely think I disagree with...

00:25:43.237 --> 00:25:45.637
giving the company credit for restoring

00:25:45.678 --> 00:25:45.817
it.

00:25:45.938 --> 00:25:48.858
Like, they're... Okay, so... Fair enough,

00:25:48.878 --> 00:25:49.118
fair enough.

00:25:49.419 --> 00:25:50.259
They got caught,

00:25:50.500 --> 00:25:51.900
they removed a feature that, like,

00:25:52.099 --> 00:25:53.580
was offering protection from people,

00:25:53.701 --> 00:25:56.461
and then they restored the feature.

00:25:56.761 --> 00:25:57.142
It's like...

00:25:58.426 --> 00:26:00.608
good job for fixing a fixing a problem

00:26:00.628 --> 00:26:02.770
that you created like it's not it's not

00:26:02.951 --> 00:26:04.373
i'm not sure if they deserve credit for

00:26:04.393 --> 00:26:05.814
that i think it's good that they actually

00:26:05.854 --> 00:26:08.195
responded and like and they restored it

00:26:08.236 --> 00:26:10.759
right obviously that's that's positive

00:26:10.798 --> 00:26:13.881
because like you said it's like this is

00:26:13.901 --> 00:26:17.125
like a feature that has been present on

00:26:17.144 --> 00:26:19.527
their consumer cpus for quite a while and

00:26:21.112 --> 00:26:23.214
it's, you know,

00:26:23.315 --> 00:26:25.297
an extra security feature that does offer

00:26:25.317 --> 00:26:26.298
some protection to people.

00:26:26.377 --> 00:26:28.000
But I think, you know, it's,

00:26:28.861 --> 00:26:30.403
it's just like one of those things where

00:26:30.823 --> 00:26:32.885
it feels like every company now is trying

00:26:32.905 --> 00:26:35.548
to like squeeze as much money out of

00:26:35.568 --> 00:26:36.390
you as possible,

00:26:36.549 --> 00:26:38.271
remove as many features as they can get

00:26:38.291 --> 00:26:38.853
away with.

00:26:38.913 --> 00:26:41.375
Like, you know, it's, it's,

00:26:44.528 --> 00:26:45.847
It's not great for people.

00:26:46.268 --> 00:26:48.189
And especially with the prices of things

00:26:48.269 --> 00:26:49.929
at the moment, it's like, really?

00:26:50.509 --> 00:26:50.609
AMD,

00:26:50.630 --> 00:26:51.890
you're trying to pull a fast one on

00:26:51.910 --> 00:26:52.509
people?

00:26:52.569 --> 00:26:55.090
You're trying to remove a feature and hope

00:26:55.111 --> 00:26:56.171
that nobody would notice?

00:26:57.491 --> 00:26:58.771
It does feel a bit sneaky.

00:26:58.912 --> 00:27:02.452
And the fact that AMD didn't really come

00:27:02.512 --> 00:27:07.035
out and say, you know, this is...

00:27:08.876 --> 00:27:10.317
Something that we accidentally did, right?

00:27:10.377 --> 00:27:10.938
Or like, you know,

00:27:10.958 --> 00:27:12.659
we didn't mean to do this or offer

00:27:12.699 --> 00:27:13.460
an explanation.

00:27:13.940 --> 00:27:17.201
So it doesn't really seem like there was

00:27:18.103 --> 00:27:18.323
any...

00:27:20.252 --> 00:27:23.295
public discussion about it uh really

00:27:23.434 --> 00:27:25.817
outside of like like them giving an actual

00:27:25.856 --> 00:27:28.939
reason for why this happened um and and

00:27:28.959 --> 00:27:30.579
like this said in this article by Dan

00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.321
Gooden AMD did not respond to questions

00:27:33.362 --> 00:27:36.344
sent for this story so like I think

00:27:36.924 --> 00:27:39.326
number one is it's good that they restored

00:27:39.365 --> 00:27:41.807
it but also they didn't really respond and

00:27:41.827 --> 00:27:43.489
like explain why they did it in the

00:27:43.528 --> 00:27:46.791
first place so uh that's not great um

00:27:48.119 --> 00:27:50.601
But you don't really get that many choices

00:27:50.621 --> 00:27:52.401
when it comes to consumer hardware.

00:27:52.642 --> 00:27:53.321
What are you going to do?

00:27:53.342 --> 00:27:56.583
Are you going to go with Intel?

00:27:56.603 --> 00:27:58.143
There's not many options, right?

00:27:58.282 --> 00:28:02.484
I think we get in these situations where

00:28:03.005 --> 00:28:04.865
we basically have almost a monopoly,

00:28:04.945 --> 00:28:05.165
right?

00:28:05.385 --> 00:28:06.425
It's almost a monopoly.

00:28:06.465 --> 00:28:07.686
It's a duopoly, I guess.

00:28:08.787 --> 00:28:10.748
It's an extremely hard industry to break

00:28:10.807 --> 00:28:11.387
into because

00:28:12.741 --> 00:28:14.442
maybe we'll see Nvidia do something,

00:28:14.482 --> 00:28:16.022
but then Nvidia has also got the same

00:28:16.063 --> 00:28:16.423
problem.

00:28:17.064 --> 00:28:18.784
They're like the only company that makes

00:28:19.484 --> 00:28:21.746
super powerful, like data center GPUs.

00:28:22.006 --> 00:28:25.707
Um, so, you know, it's, it's,

00:28:26.207 --> 00:28:27.127
I do think it is kind of a

00:28:27.167 --> 00:28:30.669
problem when all these markets get so like

00:28:30.729 --> 00:28:32.430
homogenized that, you know,

00:28:32.650 --> 00:28:34.509
AMD could just do that and not restore

00:28:34.549 --> 00:28:34.650
it.

00:28:34.690 --> 00:28:35.990
They could just remove the feature.

00:28:36.631 --> 00:28:38.211
Like no one could do anything about it.

00:28:38.311 --> 00:28:38.451
So,

00:28:40.395 --> 00:28:41.917
Yeah, it's kind of frustrating.

00:28:43.239 --> 00:28:46.382
I'm not really sure how important TSME is,

00:28:46.461 --> 00:28:46.863
actually.

00:28:47.323 --> 00:28:49.786
I've never seen it be a particularly

00:28:51.307 --> 00:28:52.608
sought-after security feature,

00:28:52.628 --> 00:28:55.451
so I'm not really sure if this would

00:28:55.491 --> 00:28:58.454
even be that impactful from a security

00:28:58.535 --> 00:28:59.055
perspective.

00:28:59.095 --> 00:29:00.957
I think it's more about the principle of

00:29:01.037 --> 00:29:03.480
it than the actual security benefits.

00:29:05.184 --> 00:29:05.644
No, I agree,

00:29:05.664 --> 00:29:08.006
and that's why I pointed out that it

00:29:08.046 --> 00:29:09.686
protects against physical attacks like

00:29:09.727 --> 00:29:12.407
cold boot, which, I mean,

00:29:13.508 --> 00:29:14.448
maybe this is a me thing,

00:29:14.488 --> 00:29:15.888
but I'm a real big believer in rubber

00:29:15.929 --> 00:29:17.189
hose attacks, which is the...

00:29:18.170 --> 00:29:19.769
It's the joking colloquialism for

00:29:19.789 --> 00:29:20.490
basically like...

00:29:21.550 --> 00:29:23.771
if the cops want me okay maybe not

00:29:23.791 --> 00:29:24.932
the local cops i'd stand up to the

00:29:24.972 --> 00:29:26.794
local cops but you know the cia the

00:29:26.894 --> 00:29:29.395
nsa the fbi if they kidnap me and

00:29:29.415 --> 00:29:31.037
they bring me to a dark basement and

00:29:31.057 --> 00:29:32.998
they're like what are your passwords i'm

00:29:33.018 --> 00:29:34.699
gonna start listing them off immediately

00:29:34.838 --> 00:29:36.500
because i don't have a very high pain

00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:38.561
tolerance and like it's just gonna take

00:29:38.582 --> 00:29:40.202
them slapping me around a few times more

00:29:40.222 --> 00:29:41.763
or less before i'm just like nope i'm

00:29:41.844 --> 00:29:43.243
out i'm done i don't have anything that

00:29:43.263 --> 00:29:45.385
sensitive so it's it's one of those things

00:29:45.405 --> 00:29:46.586
where it's like you know if it was

00:29:46.967 --> 00:29:48.647
a remote exploitable thing it'd be like

00:29:48.728 --> 00:29:50.068
okay this is probably more important

00:29:50.669 --> 00:29:52.911
But it's I feel like that's just in

00:29:52.971 --> 00:29:53.310
general,

00:29:53.351 --> 00:29:54.731
like a really important thing with a lot

00:29:54.813 --> 00:29:57.074
of especially when I was on surveillance

00:29:57.094 --> 00:29:57.474
support, you know,

00:29:57.714 --> 00:29:59.616
we had a whole section dedicated to like

00:29:59.676 --> 00:30:01.137
research and like people would always come

00:30:01.157 --> 00:30:02.798
up with these crazy proofs of concept,

00:30:02.818 --> 00:30:03.098
like, oh,

00:30:03.118 --> 00:30:04.961
they can use your phone as a speaker

00:30:05.020 --> 00:30:06.962
or as a microphone to capture like the

00:30:07.022 --> 00:30:09.023
sound of your hard drive disk spinning.

00:30:09.044 --> 00:30:10.365
And they can use that to like decrypt

00:30:10.385 --> 00:30:11.445
your encryption keys.

00:30:11.506 --> 00:30:12.247
And it's like, OK,

00:30:12.646 --> 00:30:15.148
but step one in this research was put

00:30:15.210 --> 00:30:16.349
malware on the phone.

00:30:17.153 --> 00:30:18.574
And it's like, well, yeah, at that point,

00:30:18.673 --> 00:30:19.634
and sometimes it was even like,

00:30:19.674 --> 00:30:20.955
and this required them to have your phone

00:30:20.996 --> 00:30:22.497
for like three hours uninterrupted.

00:30:22.576 --> 00:30:24.077
And it's like, well, yeah, of course,

00:30:24.117 --> 00:30:25.798
at that point, like all bets are off,

00:30:25.838 --> 00:30:26.138
man.

00:30:26.199 --> 00:30:27.279
So it's,

00:30:27.660 --> 00:30:28.800
it's just really important to like keep

00:30:28.840 --> 00:30:30.122
that kind of perspective with this stuff.

00:30:30.162 --> 00:30:31.602
So yeah, I don't, I don't,

00:30:31.663 --> 00:30:33.463
I can't imagine this was like a huge

00:30:33.503 --> 00:30:35.085
security feature that saved a lot of

00:30:35.125 --> 00:30:36.705
people's data and like protected

00:30:36.726 --> 00:30:37.967
journalists in foreign countries,

00:30:38.047 --> 00:30:38.446
but yeah.

00:30:39.567 --> 00:30:40.788
I still think, like you said,

00:30:40.808 --> 00:30:41.690
it's the principle of the matter.

00:30:41.710 --> 00:30:44.412
If it was already there and there's

00:30:44.432 --> 00:30:45.492
already a way to turn it off if

00:30:45.532 --> 00:30:46.314
you don't want it,

00:30:47.055 --> 00:30:49.636
I don't really see what good it would

00:30:49.656 --> 00:30:50.738
have done to have gotten rid of it

00:30:50.798 --> 00:30:51.317
personally.

00:30:51.357 --> 00:30:53.619
But yeah,

00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:54.842
you make a really good point about they

00:30:54.862 --> 00:30:55.701
probably shouldn't have gotten rid of it

00:30:55.721 --> 00:30:56.403
in the first place.

00:30:57.663 --> 00:30:59.385
That was probably not a great look.

00:30:59.405 --> 00:30:59.486
Yeah.

00:31:02.713 --> 00:31:03.694
Yeah, maybe check it out.

00:31:04.154 --> 00:31:05.376
If you've got a Ryzen CPU,

00:31:05.396 --> 00:31:07.818
maybe check it out and see if it's

00:31:07.858 --> 00:31:08.920
enabled or not for you.

00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:10.540
Maybe it's a feature that you might want

00:31:10.560 --> 00:31:11.021
to enable.

00:31:11.481 --> 00:31:12.242
I don't really know.

00:31:12.803 --> 00:31:16.686
It does say here it's a feature that's

00:31:17.287 --> 00:31:18.167
OS dependent,

00:31:18.307 --> 00:31:20.569
so I do wonder if this is not

00:31:20.611 --> 00:31:21.791
something that works with Linux,

00:31:22.132 --> 00:31:24.253
but I could be surprised that it's not.

00:31:25.037 --> 00:31:27.057
I thought it said it was OS independent.

00:31:27.076 --> 00:31:27.817
Did I misread that?

00:31:27.856 --> 00:31:28.117
Yeah.

00:31:28.917 --> 00:31:29.298
Here it is.

00:31:29.478 --> 00:31:30.698
Unlike secure memory encryption,

00:31:30.758 --> 00:31:32.597
TSME is OS independent,

00:31:32.718 --> 00:31:34.159
a condition that makes it much easier to

00:31:34.219 --> 00:31:35.318
enable.

00:31:35.598 --> 00:31:36.759
Oh, OS independent.

00:31:36.838 --> 00:31:37.179
Okay.

00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:39.439
I thought it said OS dependent.

00:31:39.499 --> 00:31:39.799
Okay.

00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:40.440
My bad.

00:31:41.140 --> 00:31:42.259
Unless you're reading a different section,

00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:43.740
in which case that's just really confusing

00:31:43.779 --> 00:31:44.839
now and I don't know who's right.

00:31:45.800 --> 00:31:45.941
No,

00:31:45.980 --> 00:31:47.020
I think you read the part that I

00:31:47.040 --> 00:31:47.520
was thinking.

00:31:49.401 --> 00:31:51.761
Yeah, no, that is good to hear then.

00:31:52.182 --> 00:31:53.801
Maybe go enable that if you haven't got

00:31:53.862 --> 00:31:54.321
it enabled.

00:31:55.068 --> 00:31:55.650
Yeah, I mean,

00:31:55.710 --> 00:31:57.192
hopefully it's enabled by default, right?

00:31:57.271 --> 00:31:59.355
But I think I have a Ryzen in

00:31:59.394 --> 00:32:00.497
my other computer.

00:32:00.537 --> 00:32:03.060
I'll have to take a look at that.

00:32:03.201 --> 00:32:03.801
One can hope.

00:32:08.335 --> 00:32:09.935
I guess we can dive into some site

00:32:09.976 --> 00:32:10.675
updates here.

00:32:11.395 --> 00:32:13.336
But we do have some more stories we

00:32:13.356 --> 00:32:14.517
want to talk about later today.

00:32:15.676 --> 00:32:17.498
We want to dive into some interesting

00:32:17.557 --> 00:32:20.318
stuff about smart TVs and botnets.

00:32:20.798 --> 00:32:21.759
But first,

00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:23.019
I guess we'll give a little bit of

00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:24.599
an update of what we've been working on

00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:25.101
this week.

00:32:25.121 --> 00:32:26.080
Well,

00:32:26.141 --> 00:32:28.541
I guess what's been going on at Privacy

00:32:28.561 --> 00:32:28.902
Guides.

00:32:29.781 --> 00:32:32.544
So basically last week,

00:32:32.584 --> 00:32:33.963
if you didn't see it,

00:32:34.023 --> 00:32:36.226
we launched a video for members only.

00:32:37.686 --> 00:32:38.747
Members first, sorry.

00:32:38.846 --> 00:32:40.748
And it's now out this week.

00:32:41.028 --> 00:32:43.490
So on Wednesday, Wednesday?

00:32:44.089 --> 00:32:44.509
Tuesday.

00:32:44.830 --> 00:32:45.711
Yeah, on Tuesday,

00:32:45.851 --> 00:32:47.251
sometimes times those can be tricky.

00:32:47.731 --> 00:32:48.211
On Tuesday,

00:32:48.251 --> 00:32:52.214
we released the Plex Media Server video,

00:32:52.255 --> 00:32:53.015
which basically,

00:32:53.776 --> 00:32:54.655
if you haven't heard already,

00:32:54.776 --> 00:32:55.656
basically there were...

00:32:56.477 --> 00:32:58.459
charging seven hundred and fifty dollars

00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.242
for a lifetime license in july so you

00:33:02.284 --> 00:33:03.944
only have a bit of time left if

00:33:03.964 --> 00:33:06.567
you did want to get the lifetime license

00:33:06.587 --> 00:33:08.349
for i think it was two hundred and

00:33:08.369 --> 00:33:11.794
fifty dollars um so if you do want

00:33:11.814 --> 00:33:13.276
that you should probably buy it soon

00:33:13.316 --> 00:33:13.736
because

00:33:15.019 --> 00:33:15.160
Yeah,

00:33:15.180 --> 00:33:16.859
it's going to be it's going to be

00:33:16.900 --> 00:33:18.000
seven hundred and fifty dollars,

00:33:18.121 --> 00:33:20.601
but we kind of offered a separate solution

00:33:20.621 --> 00:33:20.921
to that.

00:33:21.340 --> 00:33:22.682
You don't need to pay money.

00:33:22.701 --> 00:33:24.521
You can use Jellyfin instead.

00:33:24.622 --> 00:33:26.882
So it's kind of like a tutorial on

00:33:26.961 --> 00:33:28.022
how to get that set up.

00:33:28.603 --> 00:33:30.383
It's not really that different to Plex,

00:33:30.403 --> 00:33:30.962
to be honest.

00:33:31.063 --> 00:33:32.563
Like the whole setup process is pretty

00:33:32.603 --> 00:33:33.003
similar.

00:33:33.763 --> 00:33:36.284
And they kind of went through and

00:33:36.963 --> 00:33:39.365
explained a lot of the basics,

00:33:39.424 --> 00:33:39.825
I would say.

00:33:41.808 --> 00:33:44.391
It's definitely, it's definitely,

00:33:44.411 --> 00:33:45.932
we got some interesting comments on that

00:33:45.952 --> 00:33:46.272
video.

00:33:46.593 --> 00:33:48.976
We got some feedback saying, you know,

00:33:49.375 --> 00:33:50.936
we should have included stuff about remote

00:33:51.038 --> 00:33:53.019
access, stuff like that.

00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:54.200
And that was,

00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:56.542
that was good to hear feedback from the

00:33:56.583 --> 00:33:57.022
community.

00:33:57.103 --> 00:33:59.025
But I think at the end of the

00:33:59.045 --> 00:33:59.204
day,

00:33:59.244 --> 00:34:01.646
the video was getting kind of long and

00:34:02.188 --> 00:34:02.788
complex.

00:34:02.827 --> 00:34:04.490
Like I already had to cut sections that

00:34:04.529 --> 00:34:05.471
were in there already.

00:34:07.239 --> 00:34:10.322
And it wasn't really super necessary.

00:34:10.382 --> 00:34:11.744
I think a lot of people will be

00:34:11.804 --> 00:34:12.704
using this, you know,

00:34:13.105 --> 00:34:14.887
in their own home to stream to their

00:34:14.927 --> 00:34:16.329
television and stuff like that.

00:34:17.068 --> 00:34:18.771
We did mention like boarding if you want

00:34:18.851 --> 00:34:20.432
access outside your home as well.

00:34:21.313 --> 00:34:23.416
So definitely give that a watch if that

00:34:23.456 --> 00:34:24.436
sounds interesting to you.

00:34:26.338 --> 00:34:26.960
But yeah,

00:34:26.980 --> 00:34:28.942
definitely was an interesting video to

00:34:28.961 --> 00:34:29.382
work on.

00:34:30.362 --> 00:34:31.784
Not really much more going on this week.

00:34:31.885 --> 00:34:32.786
As we said at the start,

00:34:32.826 --> 00:34:35.047
this week has been extremely quiet.

00:34:35.088 --> 00:34:37.429
Like we've had almost no news stories and

00:34:37.469 --> 00:34:40.914
like we were like struggling at the last

00:34:40.974 --> 00:34:42.355
minute to try and find a story to

00:34:42.414 --> 00:34:44.077
put as the headline for this week.

00:34:44.157 --> 00:34:48.581
So yeah, kind of the vibe this week.

00:34:50.423 --> 00:34:50.503
Yeah.

00:34:50.523 --> 00:34:51.443
I'll just add, um,

00:34:51.563 --> 00:34:53.784
Jellyfin is by far the easiest thing I've

00:34:53.804 --> 00:34:54.585
ever self-hosted.

00:34:54.864 --> 00:34:55.626
So, uh,

00:34:55.726 --> 00:34:57.065
even if you're new to self-hosting and

00:34:57.085 --> 00:34:57.405
you're like,

00:34:57.465 --> 00:34:58.326
I just want to kind of dip my

00:34:58.365 --> 00:34:58.827
toes in it.

00:34:58.947 --> 00:35:00.766
I would say spin up a server, uh,

00:35:00.786 --> 00:35:01.586
just as practice,

00:35:01.606 --> 00:35:02.708
like even if you never use it,

00:35:03.007 --> 00:35:04.588
because like it literally, in my opinion,

00:35:04.668 --> 00:35:06.048
does not get any easier than that.

00:35:06.389 --> 00:35:06.509
Um,

00:35:06.548 --> 00:35:07.548
so it would make for a great Guinea

00:35:07.588 --> 00:35:08.588
pig, but yeah,

00:35:08.608 --> 00:35:09.869
I've been using Jellyfin for years.

00:35:09.909 --> 00:35:10.909
I'm super happy with it.

00:35:11.070 --> 00:35:12.871
And, um, uh, yeah,

00:35:13.110 --> 00:35:14.010
just to what you were saying about some

00:35:14.030 --> 00:35:14.971
of the feedback to kind of give you

00:35:14.990 --> 00:35:16.211
guys a tiny little peek behind the

00:35:16.251 --> 00:35:16.612
curtain.

00:35:16.672 --> 00:35:17.052
We, uh,

00:35:18.715 --> 00:35:21.416
I try to keep videos under ten minutes

00:35:21.556 --> 00:35:23.878
if I can, just because I've kind of,

00:35:23.918 --> 00:35:24.798
watching the analytics,

00:35:24.838 --> 00:35:26.280
I've noticed that people kind of stop

00:35:26.300 --> 00:35:27.420
watching after about ten minutes.

00:35:29.242 --> 00:35:30.304
So yeah, that video was already,

00:35:30.364 --> 00:35:30.784
I think it said,

00:35:30.864 --> 00:35:31.643
I've already closed the tab,

00:35:31.664 --> 00:35:32.143
but I think it was like,

00:35:32.164 --> 00:35:33.704
eleven minutes and forty-five seconds or

00:35:33.724 --> 00:35:34.085
something,

00:35:34.125 --> 00:35:35.364
so it was already kind of getting long,

00:35:35.405 --> 00:35:37.166
and you know, if we talked about, like,

00:35:37.545 --> 00:35:38.806
now here's how you open it up to

00:35:38.826 --> 00:35:39.186
the internet,

00:35:39.226 --> 00:35:40.206
then we have to talk about there's

00:35:40.226 --> 00:35:41.306
different ways to open it up.

00:35:41.347 --> 00:35:42.567
You can use something like Tailscale,

00:35:42.586 --> 00:35:44.128
or you can just go straight to the

00:35:44.168 --> 00:35:45.148
internet if you're insane.

00:35:46.068 --> 00:35:46.289
You know,

00:35:46.329 --> 00:35:47.728
but then there's also these concerns that,

00:35:47.748 --> 00:35:48.909
like, it was just, you know,

00:35:48.949 --> 00:35:49.429
that's definitely,

00:35:49.969 --> 00:35:50.949
I think we mentioned a couple times,

00:35:50.989 --> 00:35:53.130
we do want to do a general tutorial

00:35:53.190 --> 00:35:53.490
for, like,

00:35:53.530 --> 00:35:55.090
general self-hosting tips that would

00:35:55.130 --> 00:35:56.492
probably include that kind of stuff,

00:35:56.572 --> 00:35:56.771
but

00:35:57.552 --> 00:35:59.976
Um, this one was specifically like, yeah,

00:35:59.996 --> 00:36:00.235
when I,

00:36:00.255 --> 00:36:01.416
when I saw the news about like,

00:36:01.436 --> 00:36:02.559
they're doing this price hike and it's

00:36:02.579 --> 00:36:03.920
like an insane price hike.

00:36:04.001 --> 00:36:05.222
I'm like, Ooh,

00:36:05.963 --> 00:36:07.105
people are going to be looking on how

00:36:07.125 --> 00:36:07.525
to switch.

00:36:07.565 --> 00:36:08.746
This would be a good time to like,

00:36:08.766 --> 00:36:10.309
try to push people towards something else.

00:36:10.349 --> 00:36:10.528
So,

00:36:11.780 --> 00:36:11.900
Yeah,

00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:13.721
that's kind of what went into that video,

00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:15.561
but it was a lot of fun.

00:36:17.402 --> 00:36:17.782
On that note,

00:36:17.802 --> 00:36:18.742
just to let you guys know,

00:36:19.583 --> 00:36:22.362
I did wrap up a script yesterday for

00:36:22.422 --> 00:36:24.344
another video that I think Jordan is

00:36:24.384 --> 00:36:25.164
leaving some notes on,

00:36:25.204 --> 00:36:26.525
and I will check those out this weekend,

00:36:26.585 --> 00:36:28.304
but I'm excited for you guys to see

00:36:28.324 --> 00:36:31.206
that because that's going to be a history

00:36:31.226 --> 00:36:35.226
video going over some important privacy

00:36:35.266 --> 00:36:36.788
history and cybersecurity history,

00:36:37.047 --> 00:36:38.208
and I'm excited.

00:36:38.327 --> 00:36:39.148
I think it's going to come out really

00:36:39.168 --> 00:36:39.789
good, but...

00:36:41.135 --> 00:36:41.496
Um, yeah,

00:36:41.516 --> 00:36:43.018
the only other kind of thing was just

00:36:43.057 --> 00:36:43.699
our news briefs.

00:36:44.018 --> 00:36:44.199
Uh,

00:36:44.219 --> 00:36:45.740
don't forget we have privacyguides.org

00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:46.942
slash news, um,

00:36:46.961 --> 00:36:50.045
which is also available on, uh,

00:36:50.105 --> 00:36:50.864
activity pubs.

00:36:50.885 --> 00:36:53.067
So like Mastodon, uh, pixel fed,

00:36:53.146 --> 00:36:55.849
whatever your thing of choice is, uh,

00:36:55.869 --> 00:36:57.871
at privacy news at mastodon.plus.

00:36:58.411 --> 00:37:00.514
There's also an RSS feed, but yeah,

00:37:00.554 --> 00:37:02.275
there's the weekly data breach roundup.

00:37:03.394 --> 00:37:04.235
I think, no,

00:37:04.255 --> 00:37:05.036
we did not cover the story,

00:37:05.056 --> 00:37:06.197
but there's a, you know, Meta's,

00:37:06.797 --> 00:37:09.199
Meta's little internal AI training key

00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:10.599
logger backfired.

00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:12.780
Kansas city is pushing for facial

00:37:12.820 --> 00:37:14.141
recognition on public transit.

00:37:14.181 --> 00:37:15.563
So yeah,

00:37:15.603 --> 00:37:17.704
some good stories there from Fria this

00:37:17.744 --> 00:37:20.164
week, but I think, yeah, like,

00:37:20.224 --> 00:37:21.226
like Jordan said is a,

00:37:21.266 --> 00:37:22.186
is a really slow week,

00:37:22.206 --> 00:37:23.487
which is kind of why we're leaning into

00:37:23.527 --> 00:37:24.248
it and doing this more

00:37:24.974 --> 00:37:26.135
relaxed episode.

00:37:27.157 --> 00:37:28.958
But that's,

00:37:29.699 --> 00:37:30.920
that's all we had going on this week.

00:37:32.463 --> 00:37:33.864
But all this is made possible as well

00:37:34.043 --> 00:37:36.025
as upcoming stuff that we're working on is

00:37:36.065 --> 00:37:37.367
made possible by supporters.

00:37:37.907 --> 00:37:38.568
So if you want,

00:37:38.588 --> 00:37:40.030
you can sign up for a membership or

00:37:40.110 --> 00:37:41.711
donate at privacy guides.org.

00:37:42.532 --> 00:37:44.034
You can go to privacyguides.org slash

00:37:44.074 --> 00:37:45.295
donate, and it'll take you right there.

00:37:45.815 --> 00:37:47.297
You can also pick up some swag at

00:37:47.336 --> 00:37:48.918
shop.privacyguides.org.

00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:51.240
And Privacy Guides is a nonprofit which

00:37:51.300 --> 00:37:52.782
researches and shares privacy-related

00:37:52.802 --> 00:37:55.105
information and facilitates a community on

00:37:55.144 --> 00:37:56.887
our forum and matrix where people can ask

00:37:56.907 --> 00:37:58.248
questions and get advice about staying

00:37:58.288 --> 00:37:59.849
private online and preserving their

00:37:59.949 --> 00:38:00.670
digital rights.

00:38:01.271 --> 00:38:02.192
And on that note,

00:38:02.711 --> 00:38:03.713
I think we're going to hop over to

00:38:03.733 --> 00:38:05.474
the forum and take another question.

00:38:07.532 --> 00:38:07.771
Yeah,

00:38:07.851 --> 00:38:10.414
so I got this other question here from

00:38:11.115 --> 00:38:12.838
Anonymous.

00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:17.302
How are things tracking regarding Keep

00:38:17.503 --> 00:38:18.364
Android Open?

00:38:18.985 --> 00:38:21.407
So I guess kind of a recap in

00:38:21.447 --> 00:38:22.510
case anyone hasn't seen this.

00:38:22.590 --> 00:38:23.891
I feel like everyone in our community

00:38:23.931 --> 00:38:25.552
might have seen this at this point, but...

00:38:27.014 --> 00:38:28.014
Let me just kind of read what the

00:38:28.054 --> 00:38:28.795
website says.

00:38:28.954 --> 00:38:31.155
Your phone is about to stop being yours.

00:38:31.335 --> 00:38:34.358
Ninety six days until lockdown beginning

00:38:34.458 --> 00:38:36.699
September twenty twenty six and a silent

00:38:36.739 --> 00:38:39.521
update non-consensually pushed by Google

00:38:39.561 --> 00:38:41.260
will block every Android app whose

00:38:41.300 --> 00:38:43.682
developer hasn't registered with Google,

00:38:43.983 --> 00:38:44.882
sign their contract,

00:38:45.003 --> 00:38:47.043
paid up and handed over their government

00:38:47.184 --> 00:38:47.284
ID.

00:38:48.804 --> 00:38:50.646
So this has kind of been an ongoing

00:38:50.686 --> 00:38:50.885
thing.

00:38:50.965 --> 00:38:52.726
I feel like we talked about this

00:38:52.905 --> 00:38:53.927
originally when it came out,

00:38:53.987 --> 00:38:56.507
like probably around a year ago,

00:38:56.586 --> 00:38:57.086
I would say.

00:38:57.648 --> 00:38:59.047
It's kind of been brewing since then.

00:38:59.108 --> 00:39:00.648
There hasn't really been too much of an

00:39:00.708 --> 00:39:02.309
update as far as I'm aware,

00:39:03.108 --> 00:39:04.570
which is kind of frustrating actually,

00:39:04.590 --> 00:39:07.190
because I feel like a lot of people

00:39:07.230 --> 00:39:10.010
have been opposing this, which is good,

00:39:10.090 --> 00:39:10.351
right?

00:39:11.311 --> 00:39:13.811
We're suddenly in support of Keep Android

00:39:13.911 --> 00:39:14.172
Open.

00:39:14.291 --> 00:39:15.592
I believe we might even be listed on

00:39:15.632 --> 00:39:16.873
this website, possibly.

00:39:17.882 --> 00:39:18.422
I think we are.

00:39:18.561 --> 00:39:20.262
I think we signed the open letter.

00:39:20.722 --> 00:39:21.302
I'll look for it.

00:39:22.983 --> 00:39:23.204
Yeah,

00:39:23.244 --> 00:39:25.224
so we definitely are in support of this

00:39:25.264 --> 00:39:27.005
whole measure here.

00:39:27.764 --> 00:39:32.286
I think it's super important to stop this

00:39:32.326 --> 00:39:32.786
sort of stuff.

00:39:32.806 --> 00:39:34.286
This kind of ties back a little bit

00:39:34.306 --> 00:39:35.686
to what I was saying before about

00:39:35.786 --> 00:39:37.847
companies having too much control.

00:39:39.608 --> 00:39:40.829
When there's an organization like

00:39:42.503 --> 00:39:45.664
Google that basically controls AI.

00:39:45.864 --> 00:39:47.244
I mean, sorry, controls Android.

00:39:47.264 --> 00:39:48.063
I don't know why I said AI.

00:39:48.083 --> 00:39:50.425
I think you've got AI on the mind

00:39:50.485 --> 00:39:50.864
a little bit.

00:39:51.985 --> 00:39:52.784
So Android, yeah,

00:39:52.824 --> 00:39:55.846
they basically can do these sort of

00:39:56.326 --> 00:39:56.885
shifts, right?

00:39:56.905 --> 00:39:59.987
They can basically create an ecosystem

00:40:00.007 --> 00:40:02.086
where only the apps that Google wants to

00:40:02.106 --> 00:40:03.987
be allowed access, right?

00:40:05.128 --> 00:40:07.192
So this is kind of a problem because

00:40:08.653 --> 00:40:10.556
individual developers and small teams

00:40:10.617 --> 00:40:12.519
won't be able to publish apps because it

00:40:12.539 --> 00:40:13.201
costs money.

00:40:13.621 --> 00:40:15.463
There's also financial restrictions

00:40:15.503 --> 00:40:18.188
because some people sometimes forget that

00:40:18.228 --> 00:40:18.489
like,

00:40:19.875 --> 00:40:22.237
the U S dollar is actually quite a

00:40:22.297 --> 00:40:23.117
strong currency.

00:40:23.157 --> 00:40:25.199
Like if you go to other countries in

00:40:25.219 --> 00:40:26.521
the global South, you know, that,

00:40:26.661 --> 00:40:28.702
that money might not be worth the same

00:40:28.742 --> 00:40:29.043
amount.

00:40:29.083 --> 00:40:30.925
It might be like two,

00:40:31.105 --> 00:40:32.365
two years of pay.

00:40:32.565 --> 00:40:34.467
Like it could be a ridiculous amount of

00:40:35.469 --> 00:40:36.389
money for some people.

00:40:36.710 --> 00:40:36.789
Um,

00:40:38.228 --> 00:40:40.489
and also just like restricting people's

00:40:40.630 --> 00:40:41.311
access to,

00:40:42.391 --> 00:40:43.952
to using whatever app they want on their

00:40:43.972 --> 00:40:44.532
device.

00:40:45.693 --> 00:40:46.313
And as far as I know,

00:40:46.353 --> 00:40:47.673
there hasn't really been too much of an

00:40:47.753 --> 00:40:50.215
update on this unless you've got anything

00:40:50.255 --> 00:40:52.476
to add on it.

00:40:52.536 --> 00:40:53.657
No, I was going to say that I,

00:40:53.856 --> 00:40:55.378
I haven't really heard anything either.

00:40:55.538 --> 00:40:55.858
I know.

00:40:57.398 --> 00:40:57.659
Yeah.

00:40:57.719 --> 00:40:59.239
Some websites like my website,

00:40:59.260 --> 00:40:59.800
the new oil,

00:40:59.920 --> 00:41:02.601
I've got the little banner up top just

00:41:02.621 --> 00:41:03.802
real quick, not to like self promo,

00:41:03.822 --> 00:41:04.543
but just real quick,

00:41:04.603 --> 00:41:05.744
I'll show you guys what it looks like.

00:41:05.784 --> 00:41:05.923
But,

00:41:06.740 --> 00:41:07.041
Um, yeah,

00:41:07.061 --> 00:41:08.362
I've got this little banner up top that

00:41:08.382 --> 00:41:09.463
says Android will be coming with lock

00:41:09.483 --> 00:41:10.864
platform and there's a countdown.

00:41:10.945 --> 00:41:13.067
So, um, you know,

00:41:13.106 --> 00:41:14.768
just trying to do my best part to

00:41:14.809 --> 00:41:16.050
spread the word as best I can.

00:41:16.150 --> 00:41:17.670
But yeah,

00:41:17.690 --> 00:41:19.193
I weirdly have not heard much either,

00:41:19.233 --> 00:41:19.592
which is weird.

00:41:19.652 --> 00:41:20.733
Cause this is one of those things that

00:41:20.773 --> 00:41:23.175
is just like wildly, wildly unpopular.

00:41:23.195 --> 00:41:23.235
Um,

00:41:24.717 --> 00:41:26.358
I don't know a single person other than

00:41:26.398 --> 00:41:27.579
Google who's been like, you know,

00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:28.201
this is pretty.

00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.402
And the closest I've heard is me saying

00:41:30.463 --> 00:41:30.822
that, um,

00:41:31.744 --> 00:41:34.625
Side loading is a serious problem in some

00:41:34.664 --> 00:41:35.324
parts of the world,

00:41:35.364 --> 00:41:36.766
specifically like Southeast Asia,

00:41:36.806 --> 00:41:38.106
I know is a really big problem where

00:41:38.146 --> 00:41:40.606
like that's how a lot of scammers will

00:41:40.626 --> 00:41:41.106
like, oh,

00:41:41.186 --> 00:41:43.327
go download this like side loaded.

00:41:43.668 --> 00:41:44.507
And for the record, yes,

00:41:44.547 --> 00:41:45.467
I know we shouldn't be using the term

00:41:45.528 --> 00:41:46.028
side loaded.

00:41:46.048 --> 00:41:47.309
You know, it should be installing,

00:41:47.329 --> 00:41:49.869
but like go download this third party APK

00:41:49.969 --> 00:41:52.190
and install this this Bitcoin wallet or

00:41:52.231 --> 00:41:52.851
whatever and.

00:41:53.530 --> 00:41:54.192
Or it's like, oh,

00:41:54.251 --> 00:41:55.693
this is like a premium version of

00:41:55.713 --> 00:41:55.893
WhatsApp.

00:41:55.913 --> 00:41:56.253
I don't know.

00:41:56.293 --> 00:41:57.534
There's a bunch of different ways they do

00:41:57.574 --> 00:41:57.634
it.

00:41:57.653 --> 00:41:58.494
But my point being is like,

00:41:58.914 --> 00:41:59.916
I know that it is a problem in

00:42:00.076 --> 00:42:00.916
some parts of the world,

00:42:00.936 --> 00:42:01.777
but even then it's like, man,

00:42:01.797 --> 00:42:04.159
this is a really heavy handed way to

00:42:04.179 --> 00:42:04.838
deal with this.

00:42:04.958 --> 00:42:07.260
That it's almost like,

00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:10.461
I don't want to say they are being

00:42:10.481 --> 00:42:12.583
malicious because we've definitely seen

00:42:12.664 --> 00:42:14.806
companies do dumber things and not realize

00:42:14.826 --> 00:42:15.445
they were being dumb.

00:42:15.967 --> 00:42:17.106
But it's one of those things where it's

00:42:17.126 --> 00:42:17.228
like,

00:42:17.288 --> 00:42:18.768
how can you not realize what a slippery

00:42:18.789 --> 00:42:20.090
slope this is and how much of a

00:42:20.130 --> 00:42:21.951
detrimental impact this will have?

00:42:22.010 --> 00:42:24.172
And it's such a shame because Android

00:42:24.293 --> 00:42:24.472
is...

00:42:25.494 --> 00:42:26.735
like notorious for being an open

00:42:26.795 --> 00:42:27.516
ecosystem, right?

00:42:27.536 --> 00:42:28.797
Like that's what drew a lot of people

00:42:28.836 --> 00:42:29.518
to Android is like,

00:42:29.538 --> 00:42:30.338
you can tinker with it.

00:42:30.358 --> 00:42:31.679
You can put different launchers on it.

00:42:32.059 --> 00:42:33.240
It's easier to be a developer.

00:42:33.380 --> 00:42:34.902
Like I, back in the day,

00:42:34.942 --> 00:42:36.222
like these days, it's really weird.

00:42:36.262 --> 00:42:36.882
It's kind of flipped.

00:42:36.943 --> 00:42:37.483
Like these days,

00:42:37.503 --> 00:42:39.005
there are some apps that are like iPhone

00:42:39.045 --> 00:42:40.166
only, but they're not on Android.

00:42:41.367 --> 00:42:42.947
They're either like iPhone only or they're

00:42:42.987 --> 00:42:43.307
both.

00:42:43.967 --> 00:42:44.708
Usually, not always.

00:42:45.248 --> 00:42:46.851
But back in the early days of smartphones,

00:42:46.891 --> 00:42:47.851
it was the exact opposite.

00:42:47.891 --> 00:42:49.693
Like everybody was on Android because it

00:42:49.713 --> 00:42:51.313
was like free and open and it was

00:42:51.434 --> 00:42:52.614
easier to code for Android.

00:42:53.215 --> 00:42:55.356
And the iPhone restrictions were so high

00:42:55.376 --> 00:42:55.795
that it's like, yeah,

00:42:55.815 --> 00:42:56.617
it's not worth iPhone,

00:42:56.637 --> 00:42:57.878
but I guess the market share is switched

00:42:57.898 --> 00:42:58.217
so much.

00:42:58.257 --> 00:43:00.018
But my point being is like, you know,

00:43:00.139 --> 00:43:01.980
Android was always this like super open,

00:43:02.059 --> 00:43:04.081
super tinker friendly, developer friendly.

00:43:04.740 --> 00:43:05.902
And I've even seen some people like,

00:43:05.922 --> 00:43:06.842
I don't know how serious they are,

00:43:06.862 --> 00:43:07.802
but I've seen some comments.

00:43:07.842 --> 00:43:08.882
It's like, man, if this goes through,

00:43:09.023 --> 00:43:10.744
I'm just like, I'm switching to iPhone.

00:43:10.804 --> 00:43:11.505
Cause what's the point?

00:43:11.565 --> 00:43:13.045
Like the only thing I liked about Android

00:43:13.065 --> 00:43:13.865
was that it was open.

00:43:14.286 --> 00:43:15.186
And if they're just going to turn into

00:43:15.306 --> 00:43:16.907
iPhone, why would I not go with iPhone?

00:43:16.947 --> 00:43:17.527
So yeah.

00:43:17.956 --> 00:43:19.257
Um, yeah, I mean, I don't,

00:43:20.077 --> 00:43:21.237
I don't necessarily agree with that,

00:43:21.277 --> 00:43:23.800
but it's just, it's definitely, it's like,

00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:24.460
what are they doing?

00:43:24.601 --> 00:43:25.601
Like, this is such a weird,

00:43:27.242 --> 00:43:27.583
I don't know.

00:43:28.123 --> 00:43:28.603
Yeah.

00:43:28.663 --> 00:43:30.664
But I haven't heard any updates.

00:43:31.556 --> 00:43:33.597
Yeah, I think people are saying like, oh,

00:43:33.637 --> 00:43:34.836
it's just what Apple does.

00:43:34.876 --> 00:43:37.257
Like, we can just, you know, it's fine.

00:43:37.338 --> 00:43:38.338
This is what Apple does.

00:43:38.358 --> 00:43:39.318
We can just let it happen.

00:43:39.378 --> 00:43:39.818
It's like,

00:43:40.898 --> 00:43:42.480
they even like talk about this on the

00:43:42.500 --> 00:43:42.940
website.

00:43:42.980 --> 00:43:43.539
It says like,

00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:46.380
Apple has been a walled garden from day

00:43:46.521 --> 00:43:46.661
one.

00:43:46.701 --> 00:43:48.081
People choose Android because it's

00:43:48.121 --> 00:43:48.481
different.

00:43:48.862 --> 00:43:49.882
Apple does it too,

00:43:50.041 --> 00:43:51.143
is a race to the bottom.

00:43:52.003 --> 00:43:53.903
Like, you know, we don't want...

00:43:54.943 --> 00:43:58.746
if we can have one platform that's usable,

00:43:59.467 --> 00:44:01.208
it's better than having no platform that's

00:44:01.268 --> 00:44:01.528
usable.

00:44:04.487 --> 00:44:06.409
Yeah, it's interesting.

00:44:06.588 --> 00:44:07.789
I kind of wonder how this is going

00:44:07.809 --> 00:44:10.190
to play with the EU's Digital Markets Act

00:44:10.250 --> 00:44:12.831
because Apple is kind of being forced in

00:44:12.891 --> 00:44:17.231
the EU to allow for installing apps from

00:44:17.271 --> 00:44:20.293
third-party app stores and open a lot of

00:44:20.313 --> 00:44:20.713
stuff up.

00:44:21.233 --> 00:44:22.873
It seems like the pressure hasn't been

00:44:23.233 --> 00:44:24.275
quite enough, though,

00:44:24.295 --> 00:44:26.335
to force this in the entire world.

00:44:26.396 --> 00:44:27.936
It's just kind of only applying to the

00:44:27.996 --> 00:44:28.335
EU,

00:44:28.356 --> 00:44:30.396
which I guess kind of makes sense because

00:44:30.456 --> 00:44:32.157
Apple is like a trillion-dollar company.

00:44:32.297 --> 00:44:33.398
They can afford to

00:44:35.259 --> 00:44:38.300
screw around with like making multiple

00:44:38.340 --> 00:44:39.681
versions of their operating system.

00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:45.842
But yeah, so it's, it's, it's not great.

00:44:45.862 --> 00:44:48.443
We're definitely opposed to this whole

00:44:48.483 --> 00:44:49.804
situation, but it's unfortunate.

00:44:49.844 --> 00:44:51.545
We haven't really heard too much of an

00:44:51.606 --> 00:44:52.985
update on this from Google,

00:44:53.005 --> 00:44:54.686
at least silence from Google.

00:44:56.835 --> 00:44:57.657
I was going to say, and it's like,

00:44:57.757 --> 00:44:57.996
I don't,

00:44:58.516 --> 00:44:59.577
I don't want to make this political,

00:44:59.617 --> 00:45:00.539
but I feel like it's almost,

00:45:00.659 --> 00:45:02.300
cause you mentioned like, you know,

00:45:02.340 --> 00:45:03.561
with all the stuff going on in Europe

00:45:03.581 --> 00:45:04.742
about being forced to open up their

00:45:04.782 --> 00:45:05.081
system.

00:45:05.121 --> 00:45:05.442
But like,

00:45:06.061 --> 00:45:07.103
I feel like a lot of this has

00:45:07.123 --> 00:45:08.224
to do with the fact that at least

00:45:08.244 --> 00:45:09.264
here in the U S we have a

00:45:09.304 --> 00:45:11.065
very pro business administration right

00:45:11.106 --> 00:45:11.286
now.

00:45:12.005 --> 00:45:13.347
And companies are really getting away with

00:45:13.367 --> 00:45:13.867
a lot of stuff.

00:45:13.887 --> 00:45:15.349
Like there's investigations that were open

00:45:15.389 --> 00:45:16.670
before Trump came into office that have

00:45:16.690 --> 00:45:17.530
been shut down now.

00:45:17.590 --> 00:45:18.530
And like, it's,

00:45:18.550 --> 00:45:19.972
I almost feel like it's them being like,

00:45:19.992 --> 00:45:21.012
yeah, we can get away with it now.

00:45:21.132 --> 00:45:21.333
Like,

00:45:22.219 --> 00:45:22.699
you know, if,

00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:24.141
if the administration was being a little

00:45:24.181 --> 00:45:26.302
bit harsher on businesses and forcing

00:45:26.322 --> 00:45:26.702
that, cause I mean,

00:45:26.983 --> 00:45:28.344
didn't they just lose like an anti

00:45:28.384 --> 00:45:30.045
monopoly lawsuit or something like that?

00:45:30.126 --> 00:45:32.027
So it's just, yeah, it's,

00:45:32.126 --> 00:45:33.548
it's like they see an opportunity and

00:45:33.568 --> 00:45:34.329
they're going for it,

00:45:34.349 --> 00:45:36.992
which is unfortunate to the detriment of

00:45:37.012 --> 00:45:37.331
everybody.

00:45:38.297 --> 00:45:38.556
Yeah,

00:45:38.597 --> 00:45:40.757
I do think like the EU has got

00:45:40.797 --> 00:45:43.320
like, they have their own interests,

00:45:43.380 --> 00:45:43.599
right?

00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:45.641
Like they're not doing this EU digital

00:45:45.681 --> 00:45:47.702
markets thing just because like they want

00:45:47.782 --> 00:45:49.202
it to be a better experience for

00:45:49.262 --> 00:45:49.842
everybody.

00:45:49.882 --> 00:45:52.043
It's like, no, no,

00:45:52.063 --> 00:45:53.284
you're doing this to like, you know,

00:45:53.344 --> 00:45:56.606
weaken American tech companies influence

00:45:56.786 --> 00:45:57.666
in your region, right?

00:45:57.686 --> 00:46:00.027
Like, which is good, right?

00:46:00.047 --> 00:46:05.190
Like I think countries should have like

00:46:05.650 --> 00:46:06.090
sovereignty.

00:46:06.130 --> 00:46:07.211
They shouldn't be relying on

00:46:07.931 --> 00:46:10.452
tech products from a single country which

00:46:10.492 --> 00:46:12.713
is like as much as people don't want

00:46:12.733 --> 00:46:14.614
to admit it like literally like ninety

00:46:14.655 --> 00:46:16.235
percent of the internet is just from

00:46:16.295 --> 00:46:19.356
America so like you know like everyone's

00:46:19.396 --> 00:46:22.478
on Google everyone's on um Facebook

00:46:22.518 --> 00:46:25.199
everyone's on Snapchat like all these

00:46:25.219 --> 00:46:27.019
platforms are like American tech

00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:29.880
corporations um so it kind of makes sense

00:46:30.201 --> 00:46:33.681
but yeah it can have goofy consequences

00:46:33.742 --> 00:46:36.422
like you know making things not as secure

00:46:36.443 --> 00:46:37.503
as they could be but

00:46:38.277 --> 00:46:39.617
I think it's definitely an interesting

00:46:40.097 --> 00:46:40.838
balancing act.

00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:45.101
I definitely have seen that things are

00:46:45.121 --> 00:46:47.664
definitely loosening up a bit in the US

00:46:47.704 --> 00:46:48.184
at the moment.

00:46:50.045 --> 00:46:52.407
And also the actual backbone of the

00:46:52.447 --> 00:46:52.708
internet,

00:46:52.728 --> 00:46:53.949
I'm on the Wikipedia page right now,

00:46:53.969 --> 00:46:54.208
and like,

00:46:54.269 --> 00:46:56.231
fifty percent of the tier one ISPs,

00:46:56.251 --> 00:46:56.791
which are like,

00:46:57.271 --> 00:46:59.693
the top level ISPs that literally provide

00:46:59.733 --> 00:47:01.454
the cables that go between continents,

00:47:01.494 --> 00:47:02.856
like, I swear,

00:47:02.976 --> 00:47:04.777
about fifty percent of them are US.

00:47:05.038 --> 00:47:05.938
So, and that's not...

00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:07.760
What's this fiber out?

00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:07.940
Oh,

00:47:07.981 --> 00:47:09.782
that's not even counting how much actual

00:47:09.802 --> 00:47:10.722
cable they control.

00:47:10.762 --> 00:47:11.804
That's just like how many different

00:47:11.824 --> 00:47:12.483
companies there are.

00:47:12.543 --> 00:47:14.385
So yay.

00:47:14.405 --> 00:47:15.385
Lumen technologies.

00:47:15.485 --> 00:47:17.086
Hey, when is a,

00:47:17.128 --> 00:47:18.108
when is the next season of severance

00:47:18.148 --> 00:47:18.809
coming out?

00:47:20.449 --> 00:47:21.630
Anyways.

00:47:21.891 --> 00:47:22.170
Yeah.

00:47:22.210 --> 00:47:22.311
Yeah.

00:47:22.351 --> 00:47:23.771
I think also people are,

00:47:24.072 --> 00:47:27.215
people are definitely wary of.

00:47:28.978 --> 00:47:32.081
changes and like you know I think the

00:47:32.141 --> 00:47:33.422
I think people are starting to realize

00:47:33.442 --> 00:47:36.204
that yeah the the the US government is

00:47:36.224 --> 00:47:37.885
a little bit unpredictable at the moment

00:47:37.965 --> 00:47:39.726
so they don't really want to rely on

00:47:39.746 --> 00:47:41.327
them too much which you know it kind

00:47:41.347 --> 00:47:45.190
of makes sense so I don't know uh

00:47:45.291 --> 00:47:46.871
it's good to acknowledge though that these

00:47:46.911 --> 00:47:49.414
things probably need to change at some

00:47:49.454 --> 00:47:51.856
point but it definitely seems like at

00:47:51.896 --> 00:47:54.056
least right now everything is basically

00:47:55.418 --> 00:47:57.380
still run through the United States which

00:47:57.400 --> 00:47:57.420
I

00:47:58.592 --> 00:47:59.291
can be a problem,

00:47:59.753 --> 00:48:01.534
but hasn't been so far,

00:48:01.614 --> 00:48:02.755
but it could be a problem in the

00:48:02.795 --> 00:48:04.976
future.

00:48:05.016 --> 00:48:06.396
For sure.

00:48:06.597 --> 00:48:06.657
Um,

00:48:06.677 --> 00:48:08.199
before we move on into the next story,

00:48:08.219 --> 00:48:08.458
uh,

00:48:09.059 --> 00:48:10.860
somebody on YouTube and maybe Bob's your

00:48:10.940 --> 00:48:13.782
uncle, maybe just maybe, um, you know,

00:48:13.822 --> 00:48:14.983
you, you mentioned the Canadian news.

00:48:15.023 --> 00:48:16.304
We did cover this last week, but yeah,

00:48:16.344 --> 00:48:18.905
there's bill C-二, which, um, just,

00:48:19.786 --> 00:48:22.088
I think has passed like part of your

00:48:22.148 --> 00:48:22.568
government,

00:48:22.668 --> 00:48:24.690
but not has fully has not fully passed

00:48:24.730 --> 00:48:24.949
yet.

00:48:25.030 --> 00:48:25.411
But, uh,

00:48:26.195 --> 00:48:28.762
Yeah, the government in a classic,

00:48:29.302 --> 00:48:32.552
they've tried to paint tinfoil hat privacy

00:48:32.592 --> 00:48:33.072
fears

00:48:34.204 --> 00:48:36.286
um, you know, for valuing your privacy,

00:48:36.306 --> 00:48:37.005
you're crazy.

00:48:37.166 --> 00:48:39.027
So yeah, um, we did,

00:48:39.146 --> 00:48:40.527
we did cover that I think last week

00:48:40.547 --> 00:48:41.186
or the week before,

00:48:41.208 --> 00:48:42.467
but that is something definitely to keep

00:48:42.507 --> 00:48:44.108
on your radar, especially for Canadians.

00:48:44.289 --> 00:48:45.849
Um, please contact your politicians.

00:48:46.309 --> 00:48:47.929
This is literally an encryption backdoor.

00:48:48.010 --> 00:48:49.489
Like there's already a bunch of services

00:48:49.530 --> 00:48:51.690
like signal duck, duck, go Nord VPN,

00:48:51.731 --> 00:48:52.590
which we don't recommend,

00:48:52.610 --> 00:48:53.452
but just to kind of show you,

00:48:53.472 --> 00:48:55.652
like they've all said that they're, uh,

00:48:55.672 --> 00:48:57.052
either going to limit services or leave

00:48:57.072 --> 00:48:58.833
Canada entirely if this passes.

00:48:59.153 --> 00:48:59.574
And, um,

00:49:00.936 --> 00:49:01.655
It's a backdoor,

00:49:01.715 --> 00:49:03.456
which I know I say this every time,

00:49:03.496 --> 00:49:05.836
but we have proof thanks to Salt Typhoon

00:49:06.137 --> 00:49:06.938
or maybe it's Volt Typhoon.

00:49:06.978 --> 00:49:07.757
I think it's Salt Typhoon.

00:49:07.797 --> 00:49:08.938
I should look that up and refresh myself

00:49:08.958 --> 00:49:09.438
one of these days.

00:49:09.498 --> 00:49:11.798
But that was when China hacked the US's

00:49:11.818 --> 00:49:15.920
telecoms infrastructure using a backdoor

00:49:16.021 --> 00:49:17.300
that only the good guys are supposed to

00:49:17.460 --> 00:49:17.780
use.

00:49:18.380 --> 00:49:20.081
And so we know that these things do

00:49:20.121 --> 00:49:22.021
not work and they are not only for

00:49:22.041 --> 00:49:22.563
the good guys.

00:49:22.623 --> 00:49:24.722
We have actual it happened proof.

00:49:25.242 --> 00:49:25.923
And for some reason,

00:49:25.983 --> 00:49:27.384
politicians keep pushing that lie.

00:49:27.643 --> 00:49:29.724
And yeah, this is a classic.

00:49:30.965 --> 00:49:32.405
It's called a thought terminating cliche

00:49:32.465 --> 00:49:33.565
where like we make you look bad.

00:49:33.606 --> 00:49:34.827
That's why they do the whole protect the

00:49:34.847 --> 00:49:35.367
children thing,

00:49:35.387 --> 00:49:36.547
because then if you protest this,

00:49:36.947 --> 00:49:38.088
it's so easy to be like, wow,

00:49:38.108 --> 00:49:38.907
what do you hate children?

00:49:39.007 --> 00:49:40.088
So, yeah,

00:49:40.849 --> 00:49:42.530
definitely keep an eye out for that if

00:49:42.550 --> 00:49:44.271
you're Canadian and please try to.

00:49:46.431 --> 00:49:46.612
I mean,

00:49:46.652 --> 00:49:48.472
do your like I can't do anything.

00:49:48.612 --> 00:49:49.932
I'm not Canadian,

00:49:49.952 --> 00:49:50.733
but you know what I mean?

00:49:50.773 --> 00:49:53.554
Like it's a let's I hope that doesn't

00:49:53.594 --> 00:49:54.534
pass because that's not good.

00:49:55.757 --> 00:49:57.717
I think another thing that's obviously

00:49:57.858 --> 00:49:59.637
this person, being a Canadian,

00:49:59.677 --> 00:50:00.659
you probably already know this,

00:50:00.739 --> 00:50:03.259
but the Canadian Parliament just went on

00:50:03.579 --> 00:50:04.199
summer break.

00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:05.840
So, like, this is the perfect time to,

00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:06.360
like, you know,

00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:08.800
get out there and actually make some noise

00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:09.942
about this.

00:50:10.041 --> 00:50:10.641
As far as I know,

00:50:10.702 --> 00:50:14.563
it still needs to go through the Canadian

00:50:14.603 --> 00:50:15.402
Parliament, I believe.

00:50:15.722 --> 00:50:17.344
Like, it's been approved, but it's not,

00:50:17.403 --> 00:50:17.664
like...

00:50:18.811 --> 00:50:22.755
passed actually yet um so uh the house

00:50:22.795 --> 00:50:24.556
of commons passed it now it needs to

00:50:24.596 --> 00:50:26.617
go to the senate and then presumably the

00:50:26.657 --> 00:50:28.318
prime minister or whoever's in charge

00:50:28.338 --> 00:50:31.440
there yeah so it still needs to go

00:50:31.460 --> 00:50:34.041
through more process so you know

00:50:34.302 --> 00:50:36.463
everyone's on break now so you know

00:50:36.873 --> 00:50:37.373
Get out there.

00:50:37.534 --> 00:50:39.996
I think that'll be, you know,

00:50:40.077 --> 00:50:40.916
I do want to say, like,

00:50:41.617 --> 00:50:43.059
the previous bills that have,

00:50:43.139 --> 00:50:43.980
I think it's C-II,

00:50:44.019 --> 00:50:46.802
Bill C-II was another one that was going

00:50:46.822 --> 00:50:50.344
through Canada and it was also a similar

00:50:50.905 --> 00:50:51.364
type of thing.

00:50:51.385 --> 00:50:52.226
It was accessing,

00:50:52.505 --> 00:50:54.027
I think it was to do with strengthening

00:50:54.106 --> 00:50:55.608
borders, but it had a whole bunch of,

00:50:55.648 --> 00:50:55.849
like,

00:50:55.949 --> 00:50:57.789
really terrible privacy concessions in

00:50:57.809 --> 00:50:58.391
there as well.

00:50:58.951 --> 00:51:00.632
And that got sent back.

00:51:01.092 --> 00:51:04.235
So I think, you know, get out there.

00:51:04.496 --> 00:51:05.976
If you're from Canada and you actually...

00:51:06.438 --> 00:51:06.538
Um,

00:51:08.967 --> 00:51:10.728
are able to get out there and do

00:51:10.789 --> 00:51:11.768
some, there's definitely,

00:51:11.809 --> 00:51:12.349
there might be some,

00:51:12.869 --> 00:51:14.389
someone organizing protests and stuff.

00:51:14.409 --> 00:51:16.610
I'm not sure, but, uh,

00:51:16.710 --> 00:51:19.692
definitely send some messages to your

00:51:19.731 --> 00:51:21.291
representatives as well.

00:51:21.311 --> 00:51:21.972
That can help.

00:51:22.413 --> 00:51:23.753
Um,

00:51:23.813 --> 00:51:26.773
and hopefully it doesn't actually get put

00:51:26.833 --> 00:51:29.936
into effect because yeah, like,

00:51:30.135 --> 00:51:30.835
like Nate was saying,

00:51:30.876 --> 00:51:33.137
it's like all these massive privacy

00:51:33.177 --> 00:51:34.197
companies are saying like,

00:51:34.237 --> 00:51:35.498
they're going to leave the country if it

00:51:35.538 --> 00:51:35.978
passes.

00:51:36.018 --> 00:51:36.438
So, um,

00:51:37.148 --> 00:51:38.550
That's kind of a good indication that

00:51:38.590 --> 00:51:42.695
something is a really bad idea.

00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:47.561
Yeah, that was C-II, so yeah.

00:51:47.702 --> 00:51:50.023
All right, well,

00:51:51.264 --> 00:51:53.025
on the topic of governments and bad ideas,

00:51:53.844 --> 00:51:55.286
I think we'll move into the next story,

00:51:55.985 --> 00:51:58.788
which is about the White House app,

00:51:59.628 --> 00:52:01.289
which auto-downloads to government phones

00:52:01.309 --> 00:52:03.250
and can't be uninstalled.

00:52:03.750 --> 00:52:08.192
So this story interests me in particular

00:52:08.211 --> 00:52:09.833
because I think there's always a really...

00:52:12.661 --> 00:52:14.862
I think it's a really valid debate and

00:52:14.983 --> 00:52:16.123
a struggle that I think a lot of

00:52:16.164 --> 00:52:18.905
us have as privacy-interested people where

00:52:20.726 --> 00:52:22.166
there's a certain amount of privacy that

00:52:22.186 --> 00:52:24.626
you give up with an employer, right?

00:52:26.467 --> 00:52:27.849
There's a certain level of privacy that

00:52:27.869 --> 00:52:28.748
they have to,

00:52:29.429 --> 00:52:30.349
at least here in the US,

00:52:31.010 --> 00:52:32.291
they have to report your earnings for

00:52:32.331 --> 00:52:34.391
taxes and they have to verify your

00:52:35.331 --> 00:52:35.911
employment,

00:52:35.952 --> 00:52:37.273
like are you eligible to work and

00:52:37.672 --> 00:52:39.173
citizenship status and stuff like that.

00:52:39.914 --> 00:52:41.255
and um you know i think that's kind

00:52:41.275 --> 00:52:43.876
of unavoidable uh for most people like a

00:52:43.916 --> 00:52:45.376
handful of people are very lucky and you

00:52:45.396 --> 00:52:46.516
can like start your own freelancing

00:52:46.556 --> 00:52:48.157
business or something but as a former

00:52:48.197 --> 00:52:50.298
freelancer i can tell you that is not

00:52:50.358 --> 00:52:52.179
always easy and not right for everyone so

00:52:52.219 --> 00:52:55.460
um there's always kind of like a bit

00:52:55.481 --> 00:52:57.061
of a struggle between like okay it's your

00:52:57.081 --> 00:52:59.563
employer's computer and they have a right

00:52:59.583 --> 00:53:01.262
to do whatever they want to their computer

00:53:01.722 --> 00:53:03.983
versus like you have a right to privacy

00:53:04.204 --> 00:53:04.664
and um

00:53:05.385 --> 00:53:07.887
I think this article talks a lot about

00:53:07.927 --> 00:53:11.831
how this app is really unpopular for a

00:53:11.871 --> 00:53:12.771
lot of political reasons.

00:53:12.851 --> 00:53:13.652
I'm not trying to be political,

00:53:13.693 --> 00:53:14.793
but just to give you some examples.

00:53:15.713 --> 00:53:16.795
There's a button within the app that

00:53:16.815 --> 00:53:18.155
allows users to text quote,

00:53:18.237 --> 00:53:19.237
text President Trump,

00:53:19.518 --> 00:53:21.039
which auto-fills a text bubble reading

00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:22.139
greatest president ever,

00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:24.442
which is definitely not something that is

00:53:25.023 --> 00:53:26.083
very insecure to do.

00:53:26.103 --> 00:53:27.043
Yeah.

00:53:27.985 --> 00:53:29.405
And somebody said it's shooting pure

00:53:29.545 --> 00:53:31.268
unadulterated propaganda into our veins.

00:53:31.608 --> 00:53:32.568
So, I mean, there's that.

00:53:32.648 --> 00:53:34.110
But I mean, from a privacy perspective,

00:53:34.150 --> 00:53:34.789
like this app,

00:53:34.829 --> 00:53:36.210
we've known for a while that this app

00:53:36.231 --> 00:53:37.072
has a lot of concerns.

00:53:37.132 --> 00:53:38.512
Like here, further down,

00:53:38.552 --> 00:53:40.693
it gets into April, back in April.

00:53:41.114 --> 00:53:42.135
Shortly after the app launched,

00:53:42.155 --> 00:53:43.615
cybersecurity experts flagged several

00:53:43.655 --> 00:53:44.117
concerns,

00:53:44.177 --> 00:53:46.378
including the fact that the app initially

00:53:46.398 --> 00:53:48.460
shared users' locations and IP addresses

00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:49.340
with third parties.

00:53:49.400 --> 00:53:50.740
And if I remember correctly,

00:53:50.780 --> 00:53:52.563
it was like pinging them like every thirty

00:53:52.623 --> 00:53:54.063
seconds with your location, which is...

00:53:54.764 --> 00:53:55.625
Completely insane.

00:53:55.664 --> 00:53:57.166
Like that is basically real time

00:53:57.206 --> 00:53:57.666
surveillance.

00:53:59.068 --> 00:54:01.050
They said that it goes through or it

00:54:01.070 --> 00:54:02.670
was developed by this Ohio based company

00:54:02.711 --> 00:54:03.793
called Forty Five Press,

00:54:03.853 --> 00:54:06.675
which is obviously has a certain political

00:54:06.715 --> 00:54:07.215
leaning there.

00:54:07.735 --> 00:54:09.498
They say that they specialize in expert

00:54:09.518 --> 00:54:10.539
WordPress developments,

00:54:12.460 --> 00:54:13.722
expert WordPress development design,

00:54:13.742 --> 00:54:15.202
hosting e-commerce and so much more.

00:54:17.545 --> 00:54:18.085
Uh, I'll be honest.

00:54:18.106 --> 00:54:18.987
I don't know if this matters.

00:54:19.027 --> 00:54:20.547
They say that the founder also runs an

00:54:20.668 --> 00:54:22.150
X account described as a website directory

00:54:22.170 --> 00:54:23.851
of historical and paranormal locations.

00:54:24.251 --> 00:54:24.492
Yeah.

00:54:24.692 --> 00:54:25.373
And like,

00:54:25.612 --> 00:54:26.733
I'm actually going to take their side on

00:54:26.753 --> 00:54:27.114
this one.

00:54:27.275 --> 00:54:28.416
Like I,

00:54:28.436 --> 00:54:29.677
I like to watch a good trashy ghost

00:54:29.697 --> 00:54:30.038
story.

00:54:30.157 --> 00:54:30.938
Like who cares?

00:54:30.998 --> 00:54:31.818
That doesn't mean I don't know how to

00:54:31.838 --> 00:54:32.280
do my job.

00:54:33.019 --> 00:54:33.141
Um,

00:54:34.351 --> 00:54:35.211
Although not to be political,

00:54:35.251 --> 00:54:36.492
I will say we have seen a lot

00:54:36.532 --> 00:54:38.353
of these alt-right tech companies like

00:54:38.393 --> 00:54:40.333
Parler and whatnot and Gab have a lot

00:54:40.353 --> 00:54:40.954
of data breaches.

00:54:40.994 --> 00:54:42.795
So I would argue that maybe they're not

00:54:42.815 --> 00:54:44.536
always great with security, but I digress.

00:54:45.536 --> 00:54:46.936
They said that the app incorporates a

00:54:46.976 --> 00:54:48.556
widget created by a Russian-based company

00:54:48.597 --> 00:54:51.458
called Elfsight, which...

00:54:53.065 --> 00:54:54.487
They said there was a vulnerability found.

00:54:54.567 --> 00:54:54.847
Oh yes.

00:54:54.927 --> 00:54:56.188
Expose the personal information of white

00:54:56.208 --> 00:54:56.788
house officials.

00:54:57.248 --> 00:54:57.688
They also,

00:54:58.068 --> 00:54:58.929
this was one where I kind of had

00:54:58.949 --> 00:54:59.809
to put two and two together,

00:55:00.210 --> 00:55:01.210
but they pointed out that like,

00:55:01.250 --> 00:55:02.090
when you remove this app,

00:55:02.110 --> 00:55:02.811
it just comes back.

00:55:03.331 --> 00:55:05.152
And this happens to state department

00:55:05.193 --> 00:55:06.994
phones as well, which the,

00:55:07.153 --> 00:55:07.934
this is where I had to put two

00:55:07.954 --> 00:55:08.393
and two together.

00:55:08.795 --> 00:55:11.056
The state department is usually the one

00:55:11.096 --> 00:55:12.737
handling spies in foreign countries.

00:55:13.896 --> 00:55:16.998
So we're forcing this app onto phones and

00:55:19.335 --> 00:55:21.784
potentially including of spies, our spies,

00:55:21.965 --> 00:55:22.909
in foreign countries.

00:55:24.724 --> 00:55:27.385
And I'm trying so very hard not to

00:55:27.425 --> 00:55:28.266
be political right now.

00:55:28.347 --> 00:55:30.568
But they asked the State Department

00:55:30.608 --> 00:55:31.528
whether these concerns,

00:55:33.411 --> 00:55:34.652
if they had concerns about the security of

00:55:34.672 --> 00:55:36.012
devices of foreign diplomats abroad,

00:55:36.032 --> 00:55:37.753
the spokesperson said the agency takes

00:55:37.793 --> 00:55:39.235
cybersecurity and protection of department

00:55:39.275 --> 00:55:40.056
related issue, blah, blah, blah,

00:55:40.115 --> 00:55:40.976
is a PR response.

00:55:41.016 --> 00:55:42.038
I'm not even gonna bother reading it.

00:55:42.217 --> 00:55:43.878
It was a garbage PR response that didn't

00:55:43.958 --> 00:55:44.800
actually say anything.

00:55:44.940 --> 00:55:47.101
And again,

00:55:47.442 --> 00:55:48.643
I'm not trying to be super political,

00:55:48.702 --> 00:55:50.264
but this administration has shown they're

00:55:50.304 --> 00:55:51.804
not always on the ball when it comes

00:55:51.846 --> 00:55:51.985
to

00:55:52.545 --> 00:55:54.291
thinking ahead about cybersecurity and

00:55:54.331 --> 00:55:55.054
privacy issues.

00:55:55.094 --> 00:55:55.876
So, I mean, this is,

00:55:58.298 --> 00:55:59.278
I know it's like I'm not doing a

00:55:59.318 --> 00:56:00.519
very good job of not being political,

00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:02.679
but I this this is not just like,

00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:03.659
well,

00:56:03.699 --> 00:56:04.981
it's government phones and they have a

00:56:05.021 --> 00:56:05.701
right to do that.

00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:07.681
It's like I'm really worried about like

00:56:08.141 --> 00:56:09.581
who is getting access to this data.

00:56:10.101 --> 00:56:11.722
Why is it pinging this data so much?

00:56:13.461 --> 00:56:14.802
Is it sharing this data with third

00:56:14.842 --> 00:56:15.202
parties,

00:56:15.242 --> 00:56:17.302
potentially hostile countries like Trump

00:56:17.342 --> 00:56:17.682
has?

00:56:18.182 --> 00:56:19.523
It seems we could be wrong.

00:56:19.603 --> 00:56:20.503
We'll see what happens tomorrow.

00:56:20.943 --> 00:56:22.324
Trump seems to have come around and maybe

00:56:22.364 --> 00:56:24.204
he's not quite as close as with Putin

00:56:24.244 --> 00:56:24.784
as he used to be.

00:56:25.717 --> 00:56:26.838
Which, you know, on the one hand,

00:56:26.878 --> 00:56:28.119
you could argue is a good thing depending

00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:28.878
on your political views.

00:56:29.139 --> 00:56:29.920
But also, again,

00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:31.199
there was that that one like one of

00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:34.461
the people who makes this app is Russian.

00:56:34.822 --> 00:56:36.304
So it's like, where is this data going?

00:56:36.364 --> 00:56:38.045
It's just I don't know, man.

00:56:38.105 --> 00:56:40.846
This is this is really unfortunate.

00:56:40.885 --> 00:56:43.827
I think it's it's it's pretty crazy.

00:56:43.947 --> 00:56:45.009
I don't know.

00:56:45.068 --> 00:56:46.329
I think I think I've said plenty there.

00:56:46.889 --> 00:56:48.331
Did I miss anything or did anything about

00:56:48.371 --> 00:56:51.012
this jump out at you that was worth

00:56:51.052 --> 00:56:51.413
discussing?

00:56:52.958 --> 00:56:55.085
I think this is funny.

00:56:55.646 --> 00:56:56.547
This is pretty funny.

00:56:57.490 --> 00:57:00.016
I think it is kind of like one

00:57:00.036 --> 00:57:01.079
of those things where it's like,

00:57:02.913 --> 00:57:04.414
Why exactly?

00:57:04.755 --> 00:57:07.476
Why does this need to be installed on

00:57:07.516 --> 00:57:08.097
every device?

00:57:08.117 --> 00:57:09.559
I don't know.

00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:11.320
I feel like Trump has a little bit

00:57:11.340 --> 00:57:11.981
of an ego.

00:57:12.141 --> 00:57:12.740
I don't know.

00:57:12.780 --> 00:57:15.043
Maybe he thinks that every government

00:57:15.063 --> 00:57:18.405
employee needs to have a direct line of

00:57:18.445 --> 00:57:21.307
information to their phone, I guess.

00:57:21.367 --> 00:57:24.291
But this is like you said.

00:57:25.090 --> 00:57:26.672
It's kind of a security risk as well

00:57:26.693 --> 00:57:29.594
because this random app that we don't even

00:57:29.614 --> 00:57:31.215
know anything about that has a Russian...

00:57:32.016 --> 00:57:36.119
like links, like Russian assets in it.

00:57:36.340 --> 00:57:39.222
And it's installed on every government

00:57:39.242 --> 00:57:40.041
employee's phone.

00:57:40.081 --> 00:57:43.905
Like does that, that's, I think, you know,

00:57:43.925 --> 00:57:45.326
obviously this would be a lot worse if

00:57:45.365 --> 00:57:47.766
it was like forcing it to be installed

00:57:47.806 --> 00:57:49.728
on people's personal devices, but like,

00:57:49.807 --> 00:57:50.628
yeah, this is a,

00:57:50.648 --> 00:57:52.429
this is a government issued device.

00:57:52.510 --> 00:57:52.710
Right.

00:57:52.750 --> 00:57:53.610
So it's not like it's,

00:57:55.179 --> 00:57:56.780
that bad in that respect I think you

00:57:56.820 --> 00:57:58.981
kind of unfortunately you kind of give up

00:57:59.101 --> 00:58:01.463
any privacy when you're doing something

00:58:01.784 --> 00:58:04.405
for work right like your your if your

00:58:04.445 --> 00:58:06.567
work I mean it should be that your

00:58:06.586 --> 00:58:08.907
work supplies you with devices to do your

00:58:08.947 --> 00:58:11.009
work right that should be how it is

00:58:11.090 --> 00:58:12.469
but I know that's not the case in

00:58:12.530 --> 00:58:14.050
every country I'm not sure if that's the

00:58:14.090 --> 00:58:16.512
case in the US maybe it isn't so

00:58:17.132 --> 00:58:18.313
but obviously if you're working for the

00:58:18.373 --> 00:58:19.914
government then that's a whole other thing

00:58:19.954 --> 00:58:22.576
right so it's

00:58:23.817 --> 00:58:24.217
Yeah, I don't know.

00:58:24.237 --> 00:58:26.259
This is just kind of bizarre, actually.

00:58:26.579 --> 00:58:27.579
It's just kind of bizarre.

00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:27.960
Like,

00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:30.842
I'm not really sure why they thought that

00:58:30.882 --> 00:58:32.443
this would need to be installed on every

00:58:32.503 --> 00:58:33.244
person's device.

00:58:33.284 --> 00:58:35.284
Like, I could understand if it was, like,

00:58:35.945 --> 00:58:37.525
every government employee needs to have

00:58:37.626 --> 00:58:39.327
Trump Messenger on their phone.

00:58:39.387 --> 00:58:41.068
I'd be like, okay, well, you know,

00:58:41.128 --> 00:58:42.489
it's like, I can understand that, like,

00:58:42.510 --> 00:58:43.751
because they need to communicate, right?

00:58:43.791 --> 00:58:44.510
But this is just, like,

00:58:44.530 --> 00:58:46.432
an app that has, like, some...

00:58:47.693 --> 00:58:48.173
Like you said,

00:58:48.393 --> 00:58:51.117
there's unadulterated propaganda or

00:58:51.137 --> 00:58:51.496
whatever.

00:58:52.398 --> 00:58:54.018
There's just a whole bunch of not really

00:58:54.139 --> 00:58:55.760
that relevant stuff in the app that

00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:57.981
doesn't really seem that useful.

00:58:58.023 --> 00:58:59.963
It's just increasing the security risk for

00:58:59.983 --> 00:59:00.505
no reason.

00:59:00.804 --> 00:59:03.686
It doesn't really compute to me.

00:59:04.027 --> 00:59:05.708
I'm not really sure what the purpose of

00:59:05.748 --> 00:59:07.050
this is exactly.

00:59:07.190 --> 00:59:11.875
Is it to make government employees...

00:59:13.581 --> 00:59:15.387
be up to date on information about the

00:59:15.407 --> 00:59:15.789
government.

00:59:15.829 --> 00:59:18.056
Maybe I would say maybe, but.

00:59:18.925 --> 00:59:21.047
So, yeah, it's, um, first of all, to,

00:59:21.148 --> 00:59:22.148
to comment on something you said.

00:59:22.208 --> 00:59:24.130
So legally in the U S a company

00:59:24.170 --> 00:59:25.891
cannot force you to download an app or

00:59:25.931 --> 00:59:27.092
something on your personal device.

00:59:27.851 --> 00:59:29.414
Um, but generally speaking,

00:59:29.534 --> 00:59:30.614
especially smaller companies,

00:59:30.653 --> 00:59:31.954
they don't have the money to give you

00:59:31.974 --> 00:59:32.516
your own device.

00:59:32.536 --> 00:59:34.836
And especially for like lower ranking

00:59:34.876 --> 00:59:35.978
jobs, like, you know,

00:59:36.018 --> 00:59:38.119
if you're not to malign anybody flipping

00:59:38.139 --> 00:59:38.820
burgers at McDonald's,

00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:39.740
but if you're flipping burgers at

00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:40.101
McDonald's,

00:59:40.121 --> 00:59:40.981
the company's not going to give you an

00:59:41.081 --> 00:59:42.543
iPhone just to like clock in or whatever.

00:59:43.362 --> 00:59:43.503
Um,

00:59:44.742 --> 00:59:46.704
And it kind of becomes one of those,

00:59:46.824 --> 00:59:47.965
again, not to be too political,

00:59:48.005 --> 00:59:49.865
but it becomes like a class struggle thing

00:59:49.905 --> 00:59:50.686
where it's like, okay,

00:59:50.746 --> 00:59:51.887
you desperately need a job.

00:59:52.568 --> 00:59:53.949
This is the first interview you've had in

00:59:54.010 --> 00:59:54.389
months,

00:59:54.570 --> 00:59:56.492
which is a potentially true story here in

00:59:56.512 --> 00:59:57.652
the US based on some of the stories

00:59:57.672 --> 00:59:58.833
I've heard from fellow job seekers.

00:59:59.635 --> 01:00:01.135
I don't know why I said fellow,

01:00:01.195 --> 01:00:01.976
but job seekers.

01:00:01.996 --> 01:00:05.579
And it's like, okay, we're hiring you,

01:00:05.900 --> 01:00:07.021
but you have to download this app.

01:00:08.003 --> 01:00:09.425
Are you really in a position to say

01:00:09.485 --> 01:00:10.487
no?

01:00:10.666 --> 01:00:12.027
You don't really have a lot of meaningful

01:00:12.068 --> 01:00:13.070
choice there, in my opinion.

01:00:13.670 --> 01:00:14.972
But legally, technically,

01:00:15.411 --> 01:00:17.614
you can say no or they have to

01:00:17.655 --> 01:00:18.394
provide you with a phone.

01:00:18.474 --> 01:00:19.956
But the government, I think,

01:00:20.077 --> 01:00:21.137
usually does provide a phone,

01:00:21.197 --> 01:00:22.280
especially at the federal level.

01:00:22.340 --> 01:00:23.260
They tend to have a lot of money.

01:00:24.782 --> 01:00:26.784
I remember when I joined the military,

01:00:26.824 --> 01:00:28.467
my recruiter had a government phone.

01:00:29.568 --> 01:00:30.989
I did not, but he was, you know,

01:00:31.030 --> 01:00:32.552
recruiter was a special job where they did

01:00:32.592 --> 01:00:33.353
get a government phone.

01:00:33.393 --> 01:00:35.815
So they probably do have them.

01:00:35.856 --> 01:00:36.856
They probably wouldn't be forced to

01:00:36.876 --> 01:00:38.579
download this onto their personal device.

01:00:38.619 --> 01:00:39.559
But yeah, it's like you said,

01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:40.340
it's so like...

01:00:42.405 --> 01:00:43.885
They said this seems to be the same

01:00:43.905 --> 01:00:45.266
version as the one that's available to the

01:00:45.327 --> 01:00:45.646
public.

01:00:45.686 --> 01:00:47.047
So this is not like a special version

01:00:47.067 --> 01:00:47.887
of the White House app.

01:00:48.367 --> 01:00:49.648
And it says that it promises a mixture

01:00:49.688 --> 01:00:51.447
of, quote, real-time updates, live events,

01:00:51.509 --> 01:00:53.228
and direct access to the presidency.

01:00:54.628 --> 01:00:55.969
The article says that under the social

01:00:56.010 --> 01:00:56.630
section of the app,

01:00:56.730 --> 01:00:58.210
users can see posts from the White House

01:00:58.230 --> 01:00:58.831
Twitter account,

01:00:58.871 --> 01:01:00.391
Trump's own true social posts,

01:01:00.451 --> 01:01:02.150
and videos shared on an official TikTok

01:01:02.170 --> 01:01:02.952
and Instagram account,

01:01:03.012 --> 01:01:03.972
among other platforms.

01:01:04.351 --> 01:01:05.753
The new section of the app includes White

01:01:05.773 --> 01:01:06.954
House press releases, briefings,

01:01:06.974 --> 01:01:07.554
and fact sheets,

01:01:07.614 --> 01:01:09.175
as well as selected articles from Fox,

01:01:09.235 --> 01:01:11.356
Breitbart, Reuters, the New York Post,

01:01:11.456 --> 01:01:12.376
and other outlets,

01:01:12.797 --> 01:01:14.217
all of which paint a positive picture of

01:01:14.237 --> 01:01:15.978
the administration's policies or attack

01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:16.579
Democrats.

01:01:16.760 --> 01:01:19.061
So, I mean, again,

01:01:19.141 --> 01:01:20.963
struggling as best I can to put personal

01:01:21.003 --> 01:01:22.724
opinions and political commentary aside,

01:01:23.123 --> 01:01:23.824
you're absolutely right.

01:01:23.844 --> 01:01:25.364
Like, what purpose does this serve?

01:01:25.905 --> 01:01:27.726
Especially because based on my limited

01:01:27.766 --> 01:01:29.867
time working in government –

01:01:29.869 --> 01:01:30.971
Anything important is an email.

01:01:31.831 --> 01:01:31.992
Like,

01:01:32.072 --> 01:01:33.494
I cannot imagine that you're going to get

01:01:33.514 --> 01:01:35.215
a ping from this app's notifications

01:01:35.235 --> 01:01:36.697
that's like, by the way,

01:01:36.777 --> 01:01:38.137
you're getting a raise or like, you know,

01:01:38.237 --> 01:01:39.278
like they've changed the menu in the

01:01:39.318 --> 01:01:40.039
cafeteria today.

01:01:40.079 --> 01:01:40.219
Like,

01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:42.742
I just cannot imagine what this app could

01:01:42.782 --> 01:01:44.563
possibly tell you that you couldn't figure

01:01:44.644 --> 01:01:45.445
out either A,

01:01:45.746 --> 01:01:47.266
by just reading the news yourself from

01:01:47.286 --> 01:01:49.188
your outlet of choice or B,

01:01:49.509 --> 01:01:51.010
that you won't get an email from your

01:01:51.030 --> 01:01:51.371
boss.

01:01:51.650 --> 01:01:52.632
So yeah, it's...

01:01:53.472 --> 01:01:54.414
It's a very strange,

01:01:54.434 --> 01:01:55.175
as far as I know,

01:01:55.295 --> 01:01:55.815
I could be wrong,

01:01:55.835 --> 01:01:57.597
but I don't think any other administration

01:01:57.657 --> 01:01:58.737
has ever like done this.

01:01:58.858 --> 01:02:01.099
And I know relatively speaking,

01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:02.340
we haven't had a whole lot of digital

01:02:02.380 --> 01:02:02.900
presidencies.

01:02:02.940 --> 01:02:04.601
I think Obama was like the first really

01:02:04.782 --> 01:02:06.344
digital president, so to speak.

01:02:06.423 --> 01:02:08.606
But yeah, this is definitely,

01:02:10.246 --> 01:02:11.648
it's a choice.

01:02:11.668 --> 01:02:12.108
We'll say that.

01:02:14.237 --> 01:02:14.378
Yeah,

01:02:14.418 --> 01:02:16.318
I think the easy way to get through

01:02:16.338 --> 01:02:17.500
to people about this, you know,

01:02:17.539 --> 01:02:18.079
depending on,

01:02:18.260 --> 01:02:19.701
I know there's people out there who,

01:02:19.740 --> 01:02:19.960
you know,

01:02:20.021 --> 01:02:21.722
probably don't agree with us on our

01:02:21.762 --> 01:02:23.181
political views, but like, you know,

01:02:23.202 --> 01:02:24.623
I think we can all agree that like

01:02:25.483 --> 01:02:26.123
a crappy,

01:02:26.603 --> 01:02:28.465
poorly coded like app that has like

01:02:29.005 --> 01:02:31.525
malware in it is probably not a good

01:02:31.565 --> 01:02:33.086
idea to have on government employee

01:02:33.186 --> 01:02:34.248
devices, you know,

01:02:34.307 --> 01:02:35.168
especially like you said,

01:02:35.327 --> 01:02:36.528
people in other countries, like,

01:02:37.755 --> 01:02:40.400
You know, spies, government employees,

01:02:40.500 --> 01:02:41.141
all sorts of stuff.

01:02:41.181 --> 01:02:44.327
Like it sounds like a national security

01:02:44.367 --> 01:02:45.027
risk to me.

01:02:45.447 --> 01:02:46.289
That's what it sounds like.

01:02:47.025 --> 01:02:48.186
That's what jumped out at me is like

01:02:48.286 --> 01:02:50.907
I guarantee you from that garbage PR

01:02:50.947 --> 01:02:53.829
response that the White House gave Wired

01:02:53.889 --> 01:02:54.849
or Ars Technica here,

01:02:54.909 --> 01:02:57.391
it's like if it wasn't on foreign devices,

01:02:57.530 --> 01:02:58.572
I feel like they would say that.

01:02:58.731 --> 01:03:00.313
It's something to that effect.

01:03:00.652 --> 01:03:02.213
But this whole like we take cybersecurity

01:03:02.233 --> 01:03:03.894
and protection of department-issued

01:03:03.914 --> 01:03:05.195
devices, not personnel by the way,

01:03:05.235 --> 01:03:05.795
just devices,

01:03:06.436 --> 01:03:07.836
any applications made available on the

01:03:07.856 --> 01:03:08.838
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:03:08.878 --> 01:03:10.278
It's like so yes.

01:03:11.039 --> 01:03:11.820
So right now,

01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:14.163
there is somebody operating in China that

01:03:14.463 --> 01:03:15.945
keeps getting this crap pushed to his

01:03:15.985 --> 01:03:18.268
phone every freaking night when he removes

01:03:18.347 --> 01:03:20.070
it, and you're putting his life at risk.

01:03:21.050 --> 01:03:21.771
And I need to stop there.

01:03:24.217 --> 01:03:24.458
Yeah,

01:03:24.657 --> 01:03:25.938
I don't really think I have too much

01:03:25.998 --> 01:03:26.679
more to add here.

01:03:26.739 --> 01:03:28.579
I think this is for people outside the

01:03:28.659 --> 01:03:28.820
US.

01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:29.740
This is kind of funny.

01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:31.601
But like for people in the US,

01:03:31.621 --> 01:03:31.802
you know,

01:03:31.862 --> 01:03:33.282
this is kind of a this is kind

01:03:33.322 --> 01:03:35.463
of a national security concern, I think.

01:03:36.643 --> 01:03:37.925
So I mean, I'm with you.

01:03:37.985 --> 01:03:39.666
Like for as somebody who's not working in

01:03:39.706 --> 01:03:40.065
government,

01:03:40.166 --> 01:03:41.327
it's like it's easy for me to just

01:03:41.347 --> 01:03:42.867
put my head in my hands like, oh,

01:03:42.927 --> 01:03:43.648
but it's like, dude,

01:03:43.688 --> 01:03:45.349
like you're getting you're putting people

01:03:45.369 --> 01:03:45.789
at risk.

01:03:45.809 --> 01:03:45.889
It's

01:03:47.255 --> 01:03:48.217
Yeah, exactly.

01:03:48.878 --> 01:03:49.639
I think also,

01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:51.460
I guess we can dive into the next

01:03:51.481 --> 01:03:52.001
story here.

01:03:52.121 --> 01:03:53.163
We kind of talked about that for a

01:03:53.182 --> 01:03:54.885
while, unless you have any more to add,

01:03:54.905 --> 01:03:55.164
Nate?

01:03:56.005 --> 01:03:56.427
No, I'm good.

01:03:56.447 --> 01:03:56.527
Cool.

01:03:57.778 --> 01:03:59.400
All right, so this next story,

01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:02.521
fifty percent of LG and Samsung smart TVs

01:04:02.981 --> 01:04:04.943
embed residential proxies.

01:04:05.684 --> 01:04:08.166
So thousands of smart TV applications

01:04:08.206 --> 01:04:10.407
available on LG and Samsung platforms

01:04:10.447 --> 01:04:12.648
contain software that turns devices into

01:04:12.748 --> 01:04:14.289
residential proxy nodes.

01:04:14.789 --> 01:04:16.771
Researchers at Spur Intelligence

01:04:16.931 --> 01:04:20.954
identified proxy SDKs in two thousand of

01:04:21.054 --> 01:04:23.815
six thousand WebOS and Tizen apps they

01:04:23.896 --> 01:04:24.456
analyzed.

01:04:26.297 --> 01:04:28.699
So I guess if you don't know what

01:04:28.719 --> 01:04:29.900
a residential proxy is,

01:04:30.059 --> 01:04:32.820
it's basically like a VPN node,

01:04:33.740 --> 01:04:37.282
but it's in a residential IP.

01:04:37.543 --> 01:04:38.884
So basically, you know,

01:04:38.903 --> 01:04:42.684
turning someone's smart TV into a VPN

01:04:42.724 --> 01:04:42.985
node.

01:04:43.786 --> 01:04:45.766
And the reason why this is actually useful

01:04:45.806 --> 01:04:46.686
to, you know,

01:04:46.746 --> 01:04:48.827
threat actors is because they

01:04:49.605 --> 01:04:51.626
a lot of times these residential IP

01:04:51.646 --> 01:04:53.786
addresses aren't actually,

01:04:54.286 --> 01:04:55.547
they have good reputation.

01:04:55.887 --> 01:04:59.407
They actually don't have restrictions

01:04:59.847 --> 01:05:01.228
because a lot of these, you know,

01:05:01.268 --> 01:05:02.429
VPN IP addresses,

01:05:02.509 --> 01:05:04.969
a lot of times they're abused by,

01:05:05.170 --> 01:05:06.951
you know, people doing nefarious stuff.

01:05:07.050 --> 01:05:07.931
So, you know,

01:05:07.971 --> 01:05:10.472
when you have a residential proxy IP

01:05:10.492 --> 01:05:10.871
address,

01:05:10.911 --> 01:05:13.992
you're actually bypassing a lot of the

01:05:15.349 --> 01:05:17.391
issues that VPNs have.

01:05:17.791 --> 01:05:19.452
And a lot of times these residential

01:05:19.472 --> 01:05:21.673
proxies are even used in botnets and DDoS

01:05:21.713 --> 01:05:22.134
attacks.

01:05:22.153 --> 01:05:23.594
You know,

01:05:23.635 --> 01:05:27.356
having all these thousands of Tizen and LG

01:05:27.918 --> 01:05:30.898
TVs just like all DDoSing somebody.

01:05:32.119 --> 01:05:32.519
So, you know,

01:05:32.539 --> 01:05:33.661
that is another thing they can do.

01:05:34.541 --> 01:05:36.663
I guess also kind of, you know,

01:05:38.038 --> 01:05:39.157
Reading more from the article here,

01:05:39.217 --> 01:05:40.739
researchers found that Bright Data,

01:05:40.838 --> 01:05:43.059
Bright Data LTD and Bright SDK were

01:05:43.079 --> 01:05:44.880
associated through three hundred and sixty

01:05:44.900 --> 01:05:46.460
seven proxy enabled apps,

01:05:47.240 --> 01:05:48.920
while Honeygrain UAB,

01:05:49.420 --> 01:05:50.862
an Oxylab subsidiary,

01:05:50.902 --> 01:05:52.322
appeared as the publisher of sixteen

01:05:52.382 --> 01:05:53.081
applications.

01:05:53.623 --> 01:05:55.463
And most of those apps were identified as

01:05:55.503 --> 01:05:56.724
simple games, screensavers,

01:05:56.764 --> 01:05:58.164
clocks and utility tools.

01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:00.199
And basically,

01:06:01.539 --> 01:06:02.820
the way these apps would work is they

01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:04.920
would obtain consent basically through a

01:06:05.081 --> 01:06:07.181
one-time prompt during the setup process.

01:06:07.742 --> 01:06:08.902
And it would basically say like, oh,

01:06:08.942 --> 01:06:10.541
do you want to allow network access or

01:06:10.601 --> 01:06:10.961
whatever?

01:06:13.623 --> 01:06:15.563
And yeah,

01:06:15.822 --> 01:06:17.784
the report sites examples in which users

01:06:17.804 --> 01:06:19.224
are given a choice between viewing

01:06:19.364 --> 01:06:21.603
advertisements and allowing the app to

01:06:21.643 --> 01:06:23.545
monetize the internet connection via a

01:06:23.625 --> 01:06:24.364
proxy network.

01:06:26.387 --> 01:06:27.967
And I guess this is also kind of

01:06:27.987 --> 01:06:29.509
a massive security risk, right?

01:06:29.528 --> 01:06:31.769
You're basically allowing some random

01:06:31.809 --> 01:06:33.929
company to have access to your internet

01:06:33.949 --> 01:06:36.731
connection to make connections to other

01:06:36.851 --> 01:06:38.090
people outside the network.

01:06:39.311 --> 01:06:41.132
So, yeah,

01:06:41.172 --> 01:06:42.532
you don't want like random traffic

01:06:42.592 --> 01:06:44.492
associated with your IP address, right?

01:06:44.512 --> 01:06:46.273
Like it could be people doing stuff that's

01:06:46.293 --> 01:06:46.693
illegal.

01:06:46.713 --> 01:06:48.094
It could be people DDoSing.

01:06:48.673 --> 01:06:49.034
You know,

01:06:49.054 --> 01:06:51.695
you don't want your residential IP address

01:06:51.715 --> 01:06:53.195
associated with that activity.

01:06:54.396 --> 01:06:54.635
So...

01:06:56.465 --> 01:06:57.365
Yeah,

01:06:57.646 --> 01:06:59.628
the article also says it can raise privacy

01:06:59.668 --> 01:07:01.889
concerns because proxy-enabled TV apps

01:07:01.929 --> 01:07:03.751
could create security risks because they

01:07:03.811 --> 01:07:05.813
operate on the same network as routers,

01:07:05.853 --> 01:07:07.655
printers, cameras, NAS devices,

01:07:07.735 --> 01:07:08.456
and computers.

01:07:09.817 --> 01:07:12.579
And if a proxy provider's safeguards fail

01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:13.519
or are bypassed,

01:07:14.019 --> 01:07:15.581
attackers could potentially gain a

01:07:15.621 --> 01:07:19.864
foothold inside some home networks.

01:07:20.851 --> 01:07:22.831
so i kind of shared this a little

01:07:22.851 --> 01:07:25.813
bit um with people in my life because

01:07:25.954 --> 01:07:28.494
unfortunately i know people that are using

01:07:28.614 --> 01:07:32.197
lg and samsung televisions and honestly i

01:07:32.217 --> 01:07:33.478
wouldn't be surprised if some of them

01:07:33.577 --> 01:07:37.039
actually had these residential proxy apps

01:07:37.059 --> 01:07:39.862
installed so it's kind of concerning that

01:07:39.882 --> 01:07:41.922
this is so popular and it actually exists

01:07:41.963 --> 01:07:42.943
on so many apps on these tvs um

01:07:42.963 --> 01:07:46.806
do you have anything you wanted to add

01:07:46.865 --> 01:07:47.405
as well nate

01:07:49.201 --> 01:07:52.304
No, I think there's a couple of things.

01:07:53.045 --> 01:07:54.206
Like you said, it's very,

01:07:54.306 --> 01:07:56.309
like I'll admit on one of our TVs,

01:07:56.489 --> 01:07:58.351
I did kind of poke around the app

01:07:58.371 --> 01:07:59.693
stores a little bit and I did look

01:07:59.733 --> 01:08:01.215
at like, oh, here's a really cute,

01:08:01.996 --> 01:08:03.237
it's the Roku TV, I'll say that.

01:08:03.717 --> 01:08:05.539
And I'll say why I said that in

01:08:05.561 --> 01:08:05.780
a minute.

01:08:06.260 --> 01:08:06.420
You know,

01:08:06.460 --> 01:08:07.442
I poke around and I look at like,

01:08:07.541 --> 01:08:07.581
oh,

01:08:07.601 --> 01:08:09.202
there's a really cute like a like it's

01:08:09.242 --> 01:08:10.923
a screensaver of foxes or whatever.

01:08:11.003 --> 01:08:11.664
It's super cute.

01:08:12.144 --> 01:08:13.445
But then eventually I just decided like,

01:08:13.505 --> 01:08:13.644
yeah,

01:08:13.664 --> 01:08:15.166
but I like the standard Roku one where

01:08:15.186 --> 01:08:16.487
it just shows the city and there's like,

01:08:16.506 --> 01:08:16.667
you know,

01:08:16.686 --> 01:08:18.448
you get to spot all the movie references

01:08:18.467 --> 01:08:19.309
and stuff in the background.

01:08:19.328 --> 01:08:21.449
So but my point being is like, yeah,

01:08:21.470 --> 01:08:21.630
you know,

01:08:21.970 --> 01:08:22.970
I feel like a lot of the time,

01:08:23.131 --> 01:08:24.431
especially with Android, I am.

01:08:25.751 --> 01:08:27.072
We talk about like, oh, you know,

01:08:27.112 --> 01:08:29.953
there was this malicious app that was

01:08:30.033 --> 01:08:32.234
removed and it's been downloaded like five

01:08:32.274 --> 01:08:33.274
hundred thousand times.

01:08:33.293 --> 01:08:34.574
And it's like it's actually like thirteen

01:08:34.595 --> 01:08:35.734
different apps that all have the same

01:08:35.774 --> 01:08:36.355
malware in it.

01:08:36.756 --> 01:08:37.576
And when you look at the list of

01:08:37.636 --> 01:08:38.756
apps, in my personal opinion,

01:08:39.176 --> 01:08:40.457
it's some of the dumbest crap I've ever

01:08:40.476 --> 01:08:40.697
seen.

01:08:40.796 --> 01:08:42.877
It's like, oh, it's like a flashlight app.

01:08:42.898 --> 01:08:44.038
And it's like your phone already has a

01:08:44.078 --> 01:08:44.599
flashlight.

01:08:44.618 --> 01:08:45.279
What are you doing?

01:08:45.458 --> 01:08:46.100
Or, you know, it's like...

01:08:47.000 --> 01:08:49.902
like an AI powered PDF scanner or like

01:08:49.942 --> 01:08:51.283
just all these weird things that I'm like,

01:08:51.342 --> 01:08:52.744
why are people even downloading this?

01:08:53.125 --> 01:08:53.425
But, you know,

01:08:53.465 --> 01:08:55.006
things like I don't know who's playing

01:08:55.025 --> 01:08:56.648
games on their TV, but like screensavers,

01:08:56.688 --> 01:08:57.688
clocks, utilities.

01:08:57.788 --> 01:08:58.328
I'm like, OK,

01:08:58.448 --> 01:09:01.030
I could see why people download that kind

01:09:01.051 --> 01:09:01.310
of stuff.

01:09:01.331 --> 01:09:02.192
So it really sucks.

01:09:02.412 --> 01:09:02.572
And.

01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:04.980
Yeah, it's just a reminder that,

01:09:05.060 --> 01:09:06.421
especially with these IoT devices,

01:09:06.801 --> 01:09:07.462
at the top of the show,

01:09:07.481 --> 01:09:11.704
we talked about desktop versus mobile

01:09:11.725 --> 01:09:13.386
device and privacy and security.

01:09:13.525 --> 01:09:15.766
And with these IoT devices,

01:09:15.806 --> 01:09:16.807
you get neither.

01:09:16.847 --> 01:09:19.849
There's so little meaningful stuff you can

01:09:19.889 --> 01:09:20.350
do to them.

01:09:21.050 --> 01:09:22.570
in terms of hardening them or adding

01:09:22.610 --> 01:09:23.612
privacy protections.

01:09:24.773 --> 01:09:26.253
There's the classic joke that the S in

01:09:26.373 --> 01:09:27.654
IoT stands for security.

01:09:28.295 --> 01:09:29.256
And if you're confused,

01:09:29.275 --> 01:09:30.155
just think about it for a second,

01:09:30.176 --> 01:09:31.337
because I didn't get it the first time

01:09:31.356 --> 01:09:31.577
either.

01:09:33.417 --> 01:09:35.279
And so it's one of those things where

01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:38.582
less is definitely more with these kind of

01:09:38.761 --> 01:09:39.301
devices.

01:09:40.042 --> 01:09:42.944
Just stick to the official apps that you

01:09:43.005 --> 01:09:44.064
really need to use.

01:09:45.286 --> 01:09:46.606
And I mean, I'll note, you know, like,

01:09:46.627 --> 01:09:48.969
yeah, in a perfect world, like, you know,

01:09:49.389 --> 01:09:50.869
spin up a Jellyfin server, right?

01:09:50.989 --> 01:09:52.551
And just like try to keep it in-house

01:09:52.570 --> 01:09:53.631
and then it doesn't even need to hit

01:09:53.752 --> 01:09:54.252
the WAN.

01:09:55.052 --> 01:09:57.875
But, you know, basic things,

01:09:57.914 --> 01:10:01.516
changing the default passwords, you know,

01:10:01.577 --> 01:10:02.078
trying to put,

01:10:02.578 --> 01:10:04.578
maybe put like a DNS on your router

01:10:04.599 --> 01:10:05.840
that's known to block malware.

01:10:05.880 --> 01:10:07.360
That's not a hundred percent safe,

01:10:07.400 --> 01:10:08.421
but it's, I mean, it's, you know,

01:10:08.442 --> 01:10:09.703
it's all these things add up and,

01:10:10.868 --> 01:10:11.387
I think, um,

01:10:12.048 --> 01:10:13.710
the last thing I want to say, uh,

01:10:13.729 --> 01:10:15.411
just because I can never resist a chance

01:10:15.430 --> 01:10:16.631
to take a shot at Samsung.

01:10:17.233 --> 01:10:18.993
The article does point out that, um,

01:10:19.014 --> 01:10:19.833
cause in, in these,

01:10:19.935 --> 01:10:21.114
I think these particular ones,

01:10:21.135 --> 01:10:22.576
they focus it on like bright data,

01:10:22.636 --> 01:10:23.617
massive and oxy labs.

01:10:24.297 --> 01:10:27.479
I think these are actual like advertising

01:10:27.520 --> 01:10:29.720
companies that technically aren't doing

01:10:29.761 --> 01:10:32.162
anything illegal.

01:10:32.243 --> 01:10:33.944
They're just being really shady and not

01:10:33.984 --> 01:10:34.845
super transparent,

01:10:34.864 --> 01:10:36.787
but they're not malware by the technical

01:10:36.827 --> 01:10:37.247
definition.

01:10:38.067 --> 01:10:38.207
Um,

01:10:39.220 --> 01:10:40.421
But they do know that...

01:10:41.182 --> 01:10:41.984
Where did it go?

01:10:44.567 --> 01:10:45.828
They say one of the reasons that this

01:10:45.868 --> 01:10:46.529
is popular,

01:10:46.729 --> 01:10:48.070
especially with LG and Samsung,

01:10:48.810 --> 01:10:50.493
Amazon's developer rules prohibit apps

01:10:50.653 --> 01:10:52.095
that facilitate third-party proxy

01:10:52.114 --> 01:10:52.494
services,

01:10:52.536 --> 01:10:53.877
while Roku has reportedly blocked

01:10:53.917 --> 01:10:55.679
applications that use the Bright SDK and

01:10:55.698 --> 01:10:56.500
similar technologies.

01:10:56.920 --> 01:10:58.421
Spur found no equivalent public

01:10:58.462 --> 01:11:00.703
restrictions from LG or Samsung.

01:11:00.743 --> 01:11:00.925
So...

01:11:03.328 --> 01:11:03.988
Yeah,

01:11:04.029 --> 01:11:06.032
basically the LG and Samsung are letting

01:11:06.072 --> 01:11:08.134
this happen, which is super unfortunate.

01:11:08.213 --> 01:11:10.216
But yeah, it's – oh,

01:11:10.237 --> 01:11:11.137
there was one other thing I wanted to

01:11:11.158 --> 01:11:11.278
say.

01:11:11.297 --> 01:11:13.501
You're absolutely right about – a lot of

01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:15.063
the time when we talk about compromised

01:11:15.182 --> 01:11:16.845
IoT devices like routers, for example,

01:11:17.345 --> 01:11:19.387
we try to point out –

01:11:20.390 --> 01:11:21.890
Partially as like, here's how you,

01:11:22.030 --> 01:11:23.131
one way that you can find out if

01:11:23.152 --> 01:11:23.853
this has happened to you,

01:11:23.893 --> 01:11:25.453
but also like just to kind of,

01:11:25.554 --> 01:11:26.474
I think I do it to kind of

01:11:26.493 --> 01:11:27.055
motivate people.

01:11:27.454 --> 01:11:28.536
If your router, for example,

01:11:28.615 --> 01:11:30.197
has been hijacked by a crypto miner,

01:11:30.596 --> 01:11:31.957
you'll notice a slowed network.

01:11:32.458 --> 01:11:34.180
So that's not only one way you'll know,

01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:35.720
maybe not know, but you might suspect,

01:11:36.081 --> 01:11:37.322
but also to kind of motivate people like,

01:11:37.341 --> 01:11:37.502
yeah,

01:11:37.521 --> 01:11:38.462
you should care about this because your

01:11:38.483 --> 01:11:39.484
internet's going to slow down and that

01:11:39.503 --> 01:11:39.804
sucks.

01:11:40.163 --> 01:11:40.604
Yeah.

01:11:41.564 --> 01:11:41.945
But yeah,

01:11:41.985 --> 01:11:43.686
Jordan noted that this could even come

01:11:43.707 --> 01:11:44.127
back to you.

01:11:44.307 --> 01:11:46.750
There was a story that I could try

01:11:46.789 --> 01:11:47.890
to go find if anybody cares,

01:11:47.930 --> 01:11:49.131
but there was a story about a British

01:11:49.152 --> 01:11:50.953
couple that the police showed up at their

01:11:50.993 --> 01:11:53.155
door and basically accused them of

01:11:53.235 --> 01:11:54.697
downloading CSAM,

01:11:54.898 --> 01:11:56.319
like child sexual abuse material.

01:11:57.039 --> 01:11:58.801
And it turned out that somebody,

01:11:58.900 --> 01:11:59.662
I think it might've even been their

01:11:59.702 --> 01:11:59.962
neighbor,

01:11:59.981 --> 01:12:01.384
like hijacking their wifi or something,

01:12:01.423 --> 01:12:03.445
but somebody somehow had gotten access to

01:12:03.466 --> 01:12:05.528
their router and done illegal things from

01:12:05.587 --> 01:12:06.207
their router.

01:12:06.228 --> 01:12:07.248
So it all pointed back to them.

01:12:07.390 --> 01:12:09.291
And thank God the family was cleared.

01:12:09.351 --> 01:12:10.493
Like the cops spoke to them and the

01:12:10.512 --> 01:12:11.193
cops were like, okay,

01:12:11.233 --> 01:12:12.454
clearly this was not you.

01:12:12.854 --> 01:12:13.796
I think they found the malware.

01:12:13.815 --> 01:12:14.777
They got it all cleared away,

01:12:15.136 --> 01:12:16.719
but still it's like, those are, um,

01:12:18.618 --> 01:12:20.659
A very good book,

01:12:21.381 --> 01:12:22.402
not to ramble too much,

01:12:22.442 --> 01:12:23.382
but what's it called?

01:12:23.663 --> 01:12:25.386
Tracers in the Dark by Andy Greenberg,

01:12:25.405 --> 01:12:27.809
who is a fantastic tech journalist for

01:12:27.908 --> 01:12:28.588
Wired, I believe.

01:12:30.332 --> 01:12:31.773
this book takes place in four parts and

01:12:31.814 --> 01:12:33.833
it's basically talking about a cyber

01:12:33.873 --> 01:12:34.113
crime.

01:12:34.894 --> 01:12:36.694
The last part of the book specifically

01:12:36.734 --> 01:12:38.055
focused on like CSAM sites.

01:12:38.195 --> 01:12:40.615
And they talked about the first person

01:12:40.636 --> 01:12:42.136
that the cops, like not the first ever,

01:12:42.157 --> 01:12:43.117
but the cops he spoke to,

01:12:43.476 --> 01:12:44.837
they started this new operation to take

01:12:44.858 --> 01:12:45.377
down a site.

01:12:45.938 --> 01:12:47.578
And the first person that they like

01:12:47.698 --> 01:12:48.158
arrested.

01:12:48.458 --> 01:12:49.099
So they arrested him,

01:12:49.118 --> 01:12:50.038
they booked him and they're like,

01:12:50.059 --> 01:12:50.779
you're charged with this.

01:12:51.239 --> 01:12:51.500
Okay.

01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:52.880
Like go home.

01:12:53.060 --> 01:12:54.320
And cause you know, if you don't know,

01:12:54.600 --> 01:12:54.940
you know,

01:12:59.101 --> 01:13:00.063
Um, when they let him go,

01:13:00.203 --> 01:13:02.885
he jumped out of his high rise apartment

01:13:02.904 --> 01:13:04.065
building, um,

01:13:04.105 --> 01:13:05.167
to put it in a way that YouTube

01:13:05.707 --> 01:13:06.528
will let us get away with.

01:13:07.167 --> 01:13:07.809
And, uh,

01:13:07.828 --> 01:13:08.909
that was the moment that all the cops

01:13:08.949 --> 01:13:10.149
realized it's like, we need to,

01:13:10.211 --> 01:13:11.451
and I'm pretty sure he was guilty,

01:13:11.490 --> 01:13:12.731
but they realized like,

01:13:12.771 --> 01:13:14.314
we need to make a hundred percent sure

01:13:14.333 --> 01:13:15.635
that we're guilty if we arrest people,

01:13:15.694 --> 01:13:17.355
because this destroys people's lives.

01:13:17.655 --> 01:13:19.457
Like this dude was basically like,

01:13:19.478 --> 01:13:20.037
my life is over.

01:13:20.097 --> 01:13:20.899
I can't go back to work.

01:13:20.918 --> 01:13:22.640
And again, he was guilty, but you know,

01:13:22.720 --> 01:13:24.661
it's, it's like, that's my point is like,

01:13:24.740 --> 01:13:26.682
even though this family was cleared, um,

01:13:26.922 --> 01:13:28.203
those are the kinds of things that like

01:13:28.264 --> 01:13:29.043
stay with you.

01:13:29.163 --> 01:13:30.385
And it doesn't matter how many times you

01:13:30.404 --> 01:13:31.085
say like, Oh,

01:13:31.404 --> 01:13:32.605
but the cops said we were good.

01:13:32.626 --> 01:13:33.666
It's like, people are like, uh-huh.

01:13:33.725 --> 01:13:34.987
Did they really sure?

01:13:35.087 --> 01:13:36.087
Like, yeah.

01:13:36.167 --> 01:13:36.648
So I don't know.

01:13:36.707 --> 01:13:37.807
I'm not trying to scare people, but it's,

01:13:37.887 --> 01:13:38.128
it's,

01:13:38.149 --> 01:13:39.809
this stuff does have serious consequences

01:13:40.009 --> 01:13:41.970
and it's scary stuff.

01:13:42.050 --> 01:13:43.291
So be careful what you put on your

01:13:43.331 --> 01:13:44.811
devices and what devices you let into your

01:13:44.832 --> 01:13:46.292
home and which ones you let on the

01:13:46.313 --> 01:13:47.273
internet in general.

01:13:47.653 --> 01:13:48.734
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

01:13:48.774 --> 01:13:51.095
Tip your servers.

01:13:51.194 --> 01:13:53.155
I would say, yeah, I kind of,

01:13:54.850 --> 01:13:56.532
I don't know, maybe this is bad advice,

01:13:56.591 --> 01:13:58.454
but I would say probably try not to

01:13:58.614 --> 01:14:00.658
use the integrated operating system

01:14:00.778 --> 01:14:01.998
included on your smart TV.

01:14:02.319 --> 01:14:03.761
I feel like a lot of times it's

01:14:07.568 --> 01:14:08.448
got a lot of issues.

01:14:08.628 --> 01:14:12.331
Like it'll be, you know, not secure.

01:14:12.371 --> 01:14:14.212
It'll allow installation of malware like

01:14:14.252 --> 01:14:14.492
that.

01:14:15.113 --> 01:14:16.734
It's usually not getting security updates

01:14:16.774 --> 01:14:17.134
as well.

01:14:18.614 --> 01:14:19.935
And, you know, it depends.

01:14:20.055 --> 01:14:21.436
Maybe you're logging into a bunch of stuff

01:14:21.457 --> 01:14:24.878
on your smart TV and all those accounts

01:14:24.899 --> 01:14:25.859
could get compromised.

01:14:25.939 --> 01:14:27.041
Or like we saw in this story,

01:14:27.060 --> 01:14:29.421
like a bunch of apps have just got

01:14:29.502 --> 01:14:31.603
like a residential proxy included,

01:14:31.663 --> 01:14:34.104
which I think most people would say they

01:14:34.125 --> 01:14:35.086
don't want on their

01:14:35.605 --> 01:14:36.207
on their TV.

01:14:36.707 --> 01:14:38.189
Um, and you know,

01:14:38.368 --> 01:14:42.231
there's options outside of using the

01:14:42.332 --> 01:14:43.412
operating system included on your

01:14:43.453 --> 01:14:46.195
television, or, you know, you could do,

01:14:46.216 --> 01:14:47.537
you could do something really wild.

01:14:48.939 --> 01:14:51.161
You could like not use a television.

01:14:51.600 --> 01:14:52.641
I mean, but that is,

01:14:52.742 --> 01:14:53.542
maybe that's too far.

01:14:54.224 --> 01:14:56.466
Um, but I think, you know, there's,

01:14:57.185 --> 01:14:57.867
there's definitely,

01:14:58.407 --> 01:14:59.868
there's definitely issues with

01:15:01.743 --> 01:15:02.524
this sort of stuff.

01:15:02.583 --> 01:15:02.844
We've,

01:15:02.963 --> 01:15:04.845
we haven't really looked too much into

01:15:04.904 --> 01:15:06.484
like what the options are like at privacy

01:15:06.524 --> 01:15:06.744
guides.

01:15:06.765 --> 01:15:08.006
Like we don't have any formal

01:15:08.046 --> 01:15:12.447
recommendations, I guess, but I mean,

01:15:12.606 --> 01:15:15.228
I think you'd probably be a lot better

01:15:15.328 --> 01:15:20.088
off if you went with something from like

01:15:20.149 --> 01:15:21.229
a major manufacturer,

01:15:21.270 --> 01:15:22.390
like Google or Apple,

01:15:22.630 --> 01:15:25.011
like as much as I dislike Google and

01:15:25.070 --> 01:15:25.371
Apple,

01:15:25.570 --> 01:15:25.770
like

01:15:26.805 --> 01:15:26.985
you know,

01:15:27.006 --> 01:15:28.287
you're not going to have an issue with

01:15:28.587 --> 01:15:31.648
an app being a residential proxy or, like,

01:15:31.948 --> 01:15:33.007
getting software updates.

01:15:33.068 --> 01:15:34.708
So, yeah,

01:15:34.948 --> 01:15:39.650
I think it's definitely something that you

01:15:39.671 --> 01:15:40.891
should try and think about.

01:15:41.452 --> 01:15:42.752
A lot of people kind of forget when

01:15:42.792 --> 01:15:44.412
it comes to IoT devices, like,

01:15:45.453 --> 01:15:46.713
is this device getting updates?

01:15:46.833 --> 01:15:50.395
Is this whole process of installing apps,

01:15:50.454 --> 01:15:51.796
is it, like, you know,

01:15:51.855 --> 01:15:52.876
are these apps vetted?

01:15:52.975 --> 01:15:54.476
Is this an official app, you know?

01:15:56.064 --> 01:15:57.786
I think it's a good thing to think

01:15:57.805 --> 01:16:01.287
about if you haven't really thought about

01:16:02.809 --> 01:16:04.489
using, you know,

01:16:05.345 --> 01:16:08.365
securing your that area of your life I

01:16:08.386 --> 01:16:09.806
guess so I mean I don't really have

01:16:09.846 --> 01:16:12.228
more to add to this but I think

01:16:12.268 --> 01:16:15.309
it's definitely worth checking and you

01:16:15.548 --> 01:16:18.871
know the the the worst the best I

01:16:18.911 --> 01:16:22.032
think process here would just be using as

01:16:22.131 --> 01:16:24.172
little apps as possible just like install

01:16:24.273 --> 01:16:25.972
absolutely the bare minimum that you need

01:16:26.894 --> 01:16:28.975
you know don't install screen savers don't

01:16:29.034 --> 01:16:29.694
install like

01:16:31.212 --> 01:16:34.380
random apps that you don't know what they

01:16:34.420 --> 01:16:34.619
do.

01:16:34.881 --> 01:16:36.144
So just be careful out there.

01:16:37.266 --> 01:16:37.426
Yeah,

01:16:37.568 --> 01:16:38.729
don't really have too much more to add.

01:16:39.724 --> 01:16:40.564
Yeah, I mean, me personally,

01:16:40.623 --> 01:16:41.444
I'm the kind of person, like,

01:16:41.505 --> 01:16:42.725
if the screensaver comes on,

01:16:42.746 --> 01:16:44.126
that probably means I need to turn the

01:16:44.166 --> 01:16:45.707
TV off because I'm doing other stuff.

01:16:45.747 --> 01:16:46.608
But yeah, I'm with you.

01:16:46.648 --> 01:16:46.747
Like,

01:16:46.787 --> 01:16:48.167
the only things we have installed on our

01:16:48.207 --> 01:16:51.130
TVs are Jellyfin, Crunchyroll,

01:16:51.149 --> 01:16:52.390
because my wife does actually watch a lot

01:16:52.411 --> 01:16:55.332
of anime, and Apple Music,

01:16:55.351 --> 01:16:56.672
because I'm the one who will be like,

01:16:56.872 --> 01:16:58.434
oh, okay, I'm sitting out here.

01:16:58.514 --> 01:17:00.154
Or it's more like if company comes over,

01:17:00.234 --> 01:17:01.454
like, we're not really watching TV,

01:17:01.475 --> 01:17:02.815
but we just want some background noise on,

01:17:02.876 --> 01:17:04.216
so I'll just put on, like, some music.

01:17:05.077 --> 01:17:06.018
But yeah, it's definitely...

01:17:06.778 --> 01:17:07.738
The only other thing I wanted to add

01:17:07.759 --> 01:17:10.001
is I think if you're reasonably tech

01:17:10.020 --> 01:17:10.280
savvy,

01:17:10.301 --> 01:17:11.582
which I think most of our viewers are,

01:17:12.283 --> 01:17:15.286
maybe one of those DNS options that lets

01:17:15.305 --> 01:17:16.908
you see what network connections are

01:17:16.948 --> 01:17:20.131
happening, like Next DNS, Piehole.

01:17:21.212 --> 01:17:23.333
I know IVPN's got their mod DNS or

01:17:23.373 --> 01:17:24.654
whatever now, something like that.

01:17:27.082 --> 01:17:27.601
I don't know.

01:17:27.881 --> 01:17:29.143
Some of them I think don't really give

01:17:29.162 --> 01:17:31.302
you a lot of control over it,

01:17:31.342 --> 01:17:32.823
but I know like mod DNS and pie

01:17:32.844 --> 01:17:34.963
hole, for example, you'll be able to see,

01:17:36.185 --> 01:17:36.364
you know,

01:17:36.385 --> 01:17:37.524
where it's connecting and block it,

01:17:37.564 --> 01:17:38.005
which I mean,

01:17:38.045 --> 01:17:39.206
really the important thing is to know

01:17:39.265 --> 01:17:40.605
like, Oh, this is making connections.

01:17:40.645 --> 01:17:42.667
Like what the hell is this random Russian

01:17:42.867 --> 01:17:44.606
IP address that it's connecting to?

01:17:45.247 --> 01:17:45.908
And I mean,

01:17:45.948 --> 01:17:48.108
that alone will let you know what's going

01:17:48.148 --> 01:17:48.707
on, but yeah, I think,

01:17:48.728 --> 01:17:50.809
I don't know if I want to,

01:17:52.193 --> 01:17:52.792
I don't know if I want to say

01:17:52.813 --> 01:17:53.132
too much.

01:17:54.634 --> 01:17:56.895
Somebody well-known in our privacy chat

01:17:56.935 --> 01:17:58.176
was actually asking about this very

01:17:58.195 --> 01:17:59.395
specific article earlier.

01:17:59.536 --> 01:18:01.697
And we were kind of talking about what

01:18:01.737 --> 01:18:02.556
sort of defenses,

01:18:02.577 --> 01:18:04.377
like how can you detect it and stuff

01:18:04.398 --> 01:18:04.837
like that.

01:18:04.898 --> 01:18:08.939
So hopefully they will dig up some stuff

01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:10.201
in the research and maybe we can share

01:18:10.220 --> 01:18:12.702
it with you guys about how to detect

01:18:12.721 --> 01:18:13.921
this stuff and defend against it.

01:18:14.242 --> 01:18:16.243
But I don't want to say who and

01:18:16.262 --> 01:18:17.184
too much more because I don't want to

01:18:17.203 --> 01:18:18.764
commit them to something if they don't

01:18:18.804 --> 01:18:19.645
turn anything up.

01:18:19.685 --> 01:18:20.185
But yeah.

01:18:21.715 --> 01:18:25.176
That's all I got.

01:18:25.216 --> 01:18:25.796
So, yeah.

01:18:25.916 --> 01:18:27.095
I mean, again,

01:18:27.195 --> 01:18:28.756
it's been kind of a more relaxed episode.

01:18:28.775 --> 01:18:32.796
And we've been taking viewer questions.

01:18:32.856 --> 01:18:34.318
But we'll definitely shift over to the

01:18:34.337 --> 01:18:35.997
official Q&A segment in a little bit.

01:18:36.037 --> 01:18:37.537
So if you've been holding on to any

01:18:37.557 --> 01:18:39.078
questions or you've just been kind of

01:18:39.158 --> 01:18:41.338
listening in the background and anything

01:18:41.359 --> 01:18:41.998
popped into your head,

01:18:42.038 --> 01:18:44.239
go ahead and leave your questions either

01:18:45.020 --> 01:18:46.600
in the chat or we do have a

01:18:46.640 --> 01:18:47.920
forum that I've been keeping open in

01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:49.600
another window and keeping an eye on.

01:18:50.060 --> 01:18:50.841
Forum post, I mean.

01:18:51.680 --> 01:18:52.921
But in the meantime,

01:18:52.940 --> 01:18:54.782
we're going to hop over to the community

01:18:54.801 --> 01:18:55.002
forum.

01:18:55.021 --> 01:18:57.061
Um, there's always a lot of activity and,

01:18:57.862 --> 01:18:57.902
uh,

01:18:57.921 --> 01:18:59.422
there were definitely a lot of posts this

01:18:59.462 --> 01:18:59.743
week.

01:19:00.262 --> 01:19:01.842
Um, but this week specifically,

01:19:01.903 --> 01:19:03.262
I think the, uh,

01:19:03.283 --> 01:19:05.024
the one I wanted to share the most,

01:19:05.724 --> 01:19:07.163
um, came from one of our,

01:19:07.184 --> 01:19:10.085
our regulars and the title of this post

01:19:10.125 --> 01:19:12.664
says deflock groups may be organizing near

01:19:12.925 --> 01:19:13.286
you.

01:19:14.025 --> 01:19:15.126
And I think I, um,

01:19:16.229 --> 01:19:17.270
I wanted to share this just kind of

01:19:17.289 --> 01:19:18.710
as a shout out and like a call

01:19:18.729 --> 01:19:20.070
to action for anybody who doesn't know.

01:19:20.190 --> 01:19:23.153
So you guys probably know about Flock,

01:19:23.393 --> 01:19:24.894
the license plate reader,

01:19:25.594 --> 01:19:28.716
very wildly unpopular company with a,

01:19:30.136 --> 01:19:30.756
I live in America,

01:19:30.817 --> 01:19:32.717
I'm going to say a completely insane CEO

01:19:34.078 --> 01:19:36.640
and has a lot of hot takes about

01:19:36.680 --> 01:19:39.461
how all privacy people just like want

01:19:39.541 --> 01:19:40.742
crime and lawlessness to win.

01:19:41.856 --> 01:19:42.837
Clearly I love crime.

01:19:42.877 --> 01:19:43.478
It's my favorite.

01:19:43.778 --> 01:19:43.978
Um,

01:19:44.018 --> 01:19:45.259
that's why I've never publicly endorsed

01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:46.579
piracy because I love crime so much

01:19:46.840 --> 01:19:47.100
anyways.

01:19:47.560 --> 01:19:50.181
Um, so yeah, one of our members has,

01:19:50.322 --> 01:19:51.021
uh, posted this,

01:19:51.101 --> 01:19:53.724
this forum post that is a deflock groups

01:19:53.823 --> 01:19:55.024
may be organizing near you.

01:19:55.125 --> 01:19:55.984
And basically they say,

01:19:56.045 --> 01:19:57.086
if you're living in the U S and

01:19:57.105 --> 01:19:59.127
you're concerned about flock cameras, uh,

01:19:59.146 --> 01:20:00.368
there's a good possibility that there's

01:20:00.408 --> 01:20:02.128
local groups at either the state or the

01:20:02.149 --> 01:20:02.649
city level.

01:20:03.349 --> 01:20:04.050
And, um,

01:20:04.069 --> 01:20:05.511
they may also care about additional rights

01:20:05.530 --> 01:20:06.390
besides just flock.

01:20:06.970 --> 01:20:09.092
And they basically just left a list of

01:20:09.153 --> 01:20:10.432
local groups that they're aware of.

01:20:10.654 --> 01:20:11.113
And, um,

01:20:12.975 --> 01:20:13.635
I am so sorry,

01:20:13.675 --> 01:20:14.716
but I am going to read off the

01:20:14.735 --> 01:20:16.095
list of states here very quickly.

01:20:16.676 --> 01:20:17.837
So if you think you heard yours,

01:20:17.877 --> 01:20:20.597
go ahead and check the newsletter in the

01:20:20.618 --> 01:20:21.797
show notes and see if it's in there.

01:20:21.837 --> 01:20:24.279
But Alabama, Arizona, California,

01:20:24.319 --> 01:20:26.140
Colorado, Connecticut, Washington, D.C.,

01:20:26.180 --> 01:20:28.239
Florida, Georgia, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana,

01:20:28.279 --> 01:20:29.940
Kansas, Louisiana, Minnesota, Missouri,

01:20:30.020 --> 01:20:31.381
North Carolina, Nevada, Ohio,

01:20:31.440 --> 01:20:32.841
South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas,

01:20:32.862 --> 01:20:35.342
Virginia, Washington State, and Wisconsin.

01:20:35.603 --> 01:20:36.222
And of course,

01:20:36.363 --> 01:20:38.404
you can always start your own.

01:20:39.354 --> 01:20:40.235
So, yeah,

01:20:40.817 --> 01:20:41.997
I guess I just wanted to share that

01:20:42.018 --> 01:20:47.364
because I know we do have a –

01:20:44.039 --> 01:20:45.402
we're trying to encourage people to get

01:20:45.462 --> 01:20:47.564
involved and speak up wherever possible,

01:20:47.724 --> 01:20:50.287
and that may be a good starting point.

01:20:50.327 --> 01:20:50.707
If you're, like,

01:20:50.768 --> 01:20:51.828
not really sure where to go and you

01:20:51.849 --> 01:20:52.789
live in one of those areas,

01:20:53.310 --> 01:20:54.671
definitely check this link that they left

01:20:54.712 --> 01:20:56.434
here and see if you can get connected

01:20:56.453 --> 01:20:57.095
with a local group.

01:20:59.176 --> 01:20:59.818
I –

01:21:00.555 --> 01:21:01.515
I'll go ahead and say, um,

01:21:01.636 --> 01:21:02.815
I'm on the board of EFF Austin.

01:21:02.855 --> 01:21:04.497
I know I mentioned that before we have

01:21:04.556 --> 01:21:06.097
done some work with, uh,

01:21:06.137 --> 01:21:08.639
the no ALPRs chapter in Texas.

01:21:08.979 --> 01:21:10.100
Um, super awesome people.

01:21:10.340 --> 01:21:12.681
And that is how I ended up on

01:21:12.702 --> 01:21:14.261
the board was I was just like, I,

01:21:14.603 --> 01:21:15.483
I don't really have a lot of money

01:21:15.502 --> 01:21:16.823
to donate, but I want to get involved.

01:21:16.923 --> 01:21:18.385
And I found like a local digital rights

01:21:18.425 --> 01:21:19.664
group and I just started showing up and

01:21:19.685 --> 01:21:21.025
attending meetings and volunteering my

01:21:21.086 --> 01:21:21.386
time.

01:21:21.586 --> 01:21:23.507
And, um,

01:21:23.547 --> 01:21:24.667
we've been able to do some really cool

01:21:24.688 --> 01:21:25.007
stuff.

01:21:25.929 --> 01:21:25.969
Um,

01:21:27.130 --> 01:21:28.331
Mostly thanks to other board members,

01:21:28.371 --> 01:21:29.331
not really so much myself,

01:21:29.390 --> 01:21:31.132
but I help keep us organized, I guess.

01:21:31.153 --> 01:21:34.814
So yeah, it's definitely, in my opinion,

01:21:34.975 --> 01:21:35.595
I mean, I'm biased,

01:21:35.614 --> 01:21:36.496
but I think it's worth it to get

01:21:36.515 --> 01:21:37.416
involved in these kind of groups.

01:21:37.737 --> 01:21:38.837
So yeah,

01:21:39.917 --> 01:21:40.998
I think that's all I got on that

01:21:41.139 --> 01:21:41.238
one.

01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:44.961
Do you have anything you wanted to add

01:21:44.980 --> 01:21:46.421
about that, Jordan?

01:21:47.784 --> 01:21:50.686
I think it is kind of important to

01:21:52.268 --> 01:21:53.328
get involved locally.

01:21:54.128 --> 01:21:55.128
A lot of people, I think,

01:21:56.149 --> 01:21:58.492
they kind of think that this is a

01:21:58.671 --> 01:21:59.811
privacy thing, like, oh,

01:21:59.851 --> 01:22:03.293
I'll just install uBlock Origin and run

01:22:03.333 --> 01:22:06.115
Linux and Graphene OS and not do anything.

01:22:06.235 --> 01:22:08.176
But it's like there's all these issues

01:22:08.216 --> 01:22:09.337
that are going on in the real world,

01:22:09.377 --> 01:22:11.479
too, that are super important.

01:22:13.640 --> 01:22:15.863
There's not that many default groups right

01:22:15.923 --> 01:22:16.444
now.

01:22:16.465 --> 01:22:18.306
You've got, what, fifty states?

01:22:18.828 --> 01:22:22.692
And there's not even twenty, maybe?

01:22:22.912 --> 01:22:23.512
I was going to say,

01:22:23.533 --> 01:22:24.854
is that maybe just under half,

01:22:25.154 --> 01:22:25.775
give or take?

01:22:27.537 --> 01:22:27.738
Okay.

01:22:27.858 --> 01:22:29.140
Definitely a lot of room for improvement.

01:22:30.157 --> 01:22:32.259
Yeah, definitely a bit of room to improve.

01:22:32.378 --> 01:22:34.340
And, you know, even some,

01:22:34.359 --> 01:22:35.881
it looks like some states have got,

01:22:35.942 --> 01:22:37.181
you know, like five or six.

01:22:37.262 --> 01:22:38.804
So get out there.

01:22:38.904 --> 01:22:39.123
You know,

01:22:39.144 --> 01:22:40.845
maybe if there's no group in your local

01:22:40.925 --> 01:22:43.226
area, you know, get on it.

01:22:43.887 --> 01:22:45.448
Start a chapter or something.

01:22:46.945 --> 01:22:48.167
And I just want to say smaller States

01:22:48.207 --> 01:22:48.466
too.

01:22:48.506 --> 01:22:49.707
Like obviously you would look at a state

01:22:49.728 --> 01:22:51.229
like California, that's just massive.

01:22:51.248 --> 01:22:52.488
And you would expect to see multiple

01:22:52.529 --> 01:22:52.809
groups,

01:22:52.869 --> 01:22:55.711
but I mean like Arizona has to Colorado

01:22:55.730 --> 01:22:59.934
has to Florida has like five, which, okay.

01:22:59.953 --> 01:23:00.894
I guess Florida is a little bit bigger

01:23:00.913 --> 01:23:01.234
of a state,

01:23:01.274 --> 01:23:03.555
but Illinois has got like five.

01:23:04.275 --> 01:23:05.417
Virginia's got four.

01:23:05.596 --> 01:23:06.917
Ohio's got five.

01:23:08.439 --> 01:23:09.118
Did I say Virginia?

01:23:09.158 --> 01:23:10.600
Virginia's got like seven.

01:23:10.659 --> 01:23:11.439
Holy crap.

01:23:11.701 --> 01:23:12.881
Virginia is not that big of a state.

01:23:12.940 --> 01:23:13.801
So yeah, I mean,

01:23:15.014 --> 01:23:17.377
Yeah, there's room for everybody for sure.

01:23:18.198 --> 01:23:20.983
It also does seem like some of these

01:23:21.002 --> 01:23:23.807
groups are groups for other stuff,

01:23:23.847 --> 01:23:25.871
but they also are against this stuff.

01:23:26.190 --> 01:23:28.213
So if you're involved in a local...

01:23:32.572 --> 01:23:34.893
political group maybe you can get them on

01:23:34.932 --> 01:23:36.154
board with this sort of stuff it looks

01:23:36.194 --> 01:23:39.115
like i did see there was one in

01:23:39.836 --> 01:23:42.837
virginia dsa so maybe see if you've if

01:23:42.858 --> 01:23:44.719
you're a part of a local like political

01:23:44.759 --> 01:23:46.761
group you can get involved with that or

01:23:47.001 --> 01:23:51.484
you know start your own thing yeah and

01:23:51.503 --> 01:23:53.085
i mean just to put it out there

01:23:53.125 --> 01:23:55.405
we have the privacyguides.org activism

01:23:55.506 --> 01:23:57.728
talks about like how to organize how to

01:23:57.967 --> 01:23:58.108
uh

01:23:59.171 --> 01:24:00.052
how to, you know, it's,

01:24:00.092 --> 01:24:01.354
it's not like a step-by-step maybe,

01:24:01.935 --> 01:24:02.976
I don't know that I don't want to

01:24:02.997 --> 01:24:03.256
commit.

01:24:03.296 --> 01:24:04.297
That might be a little too much,

01:24:04.337 --> 01:24:05.460
but maybe we should look into seeing if

01:24:05.500 --> 01:24:06.801
we can put out a guide about how

01:24:06.841 --> 01:24:07.863
to actually start a group.

01:24:07.922 --> 01:24:09.364
Cause I mean, it's honestly,

01:24:09.425 --> 01:24:10.326
in my experience,

01:24:10.706 --> 01:24:11.707
granted limited experience,

01:24:11.728 --> 01:24:13.510
but it's not that hard.

01:24:13.609 --> 01:24:13.989
It's just,

01:24:14.090 --> 01:24:16.052
it's a patience game because you have to

01:24:16.092 --> 01:24:16.273
like,

01:24:17.094 --> 01:24:17.274
Okay.

01:24:17.293 --> 01:24:18.213
You have to go find a venue,

01:24:18.613 --> 01:24:19.854
which is usually not too hard.

01:24:19.875 --> 01:24:21.175
You can usually find someplace that's

01:24:21.215 --> 01:24:21.914
willing to like, yeah,

01:24:21.935 --> 01:24:23.534
you guys can have like, you know,

01:24:23.555 --> 01:24:24.536
you can go to a restaurant and it's

01:24:24.555 --> 01:24:24.636
like,

01:24:24.655 --> 01:24:25.836
you guys can have the back room like

01:24:25.935 --> 01:24:26.796
once a month or something.

01:24:26.855 --> 01:24:28.136
And then, but then from there,

01:24:28.176 --> 01:24:29.356
like the real challenge is just getting

01:24:29.396 --> 01:24:30.796
the word out and getting people to show

01:24:30.877 --> 01:24:31.356
up, I think.

01:24:31.457 --> 01:24:35.877
So it's, it's, it's not complicated.

01:24:36.177 --> 01:24:36.717
That's what it is.

01:24:36.778 --> 01:24:39.279
It's not hard or it is hard,

01:24:39.298 --> 01:24:40.899
but it's not complicated, but you know,

01:24:40.979 --> 01:24:42.520
it's, I mean, I don't know.

01:24:42.579 --> 01:24:43.199
I think we should, uh,

01:24:44.061 --> 01:24:44.702
maybe look into that.

01:24:44.762 --> 01:24:45.703
I'm not making any promises,

01:24:45.722 --> 01:24:46.623
but I'll look into that and see if

01:24:46.663 --> 01:24:47.604
we can offer any advice there.

01:24:48.845 --> 01:24:48.984
Yeah.

01:24:49.024 --> 01:24:50.525
There's public spaces, you know,

01:24:50.886 --> 01:24:53.689
libraries, all sorts of places there.

01:24:53.788 --> 01:24:55.329
They don't care about that sort of stuff.

01:24:55.350 --> 01:24:57.110
They'll let you, if you have a group,

01:24:57.131 --> 01:24:58.612
they'll let you, you know,

01:24:58.811 --> 01:24:59.813
set up shop a little bit.

01:25:00.573 --> 01:25:03.494
So I think it's definitely very positive

01:25:03.555 --> 01:25:03.875
stuff.

01:25:03.975 --> 01:25:05.556
I think, you know, we should try and

01:25:06.396 --> 01:25:08.217
make sure this gets more popular because

01:25:08.738 --> 01:25:09.858
the more that this stuff gets more

01:25:09.898 --> 01:25:12.538
popular, the more normalized it is.

01:25:12.779 --> 01:25:14.220
You know, I feel like some people,

01:25:15.060 --> 01:25:17.140
they hear the word like activist and they

01:25:17.161 --> 01:25:18.320
immediately recoil,

01:25:19.501 --> 01:25:20.902
which is a bit of a problem, right?

01:25:20.921 --> 01:25:22.141
Because, you know,

01:25:22.502 --> 01:25:24.622
like this stuff isn't going to change if

01:25:24.662 --> 01:25:25.844
nobody does anything.

01:25:26.104 --> 01:25:26.564
So like,

01:25:27.663 --> 01:25:29.846
When we see all these flock cameras being

01:25:29.886 --> 01:25:32.288
put up and then nothing happens,

01:25:32.328 --> 01:25:33.050
it's like, well,

01:25:34.030 --> 01:25:34.872
you've got to do something.

01:25:34.891 --> 01:25:36.512
You've got to actually get out there and

01:25:36.634 --> 01:25:37.555
make some noise because...

01:25:39.465 --> 01:25:42.068
That's kind of how you get your rights,

01:25:42.108 --> 01:25:42.228
right?

01:25:42.247 --> 01:25:43.009
You have to fight for them.

01:25:43.048 --> 01:25:44.850
You don't just get them automatically.

01:25:45.390 --> 01:25:48.094
So yeah, definitely important.

01:25:48.474 --> 01:25:50.416
Definitely check out privacyguides.org

01:25:50.435 --> 01:25:52.257
forward slash activism if you're

01:25:52.297 --> 01:25:54.960
interested in learning more about that.

01:25:55.060 --> 01:25:55.980
But yeah,

01:25:57.262 --> 01:25:59.104
we're definitely not opposed to expanding

01:25:59.484 --> 01:26:00.426
the activism section.

01:26:00.445 --> 01:26:01.806
It's something we've been talking about.

01:26:03.802 --> 01:26:04.023
you know,

01:26:04.082 --> 01:26:06.086
possibly doing more improvements to that.

01:26:07.148 --> 01:26:08.810
But we kind of just, yeah,

01:26:08.829 --> 01:26:11.613
see how we go with that.

01:26:11.694 --> 01:26:12.895
I don't really have anything more to add

01:26:12.954 --> 01:26:13.576
on this.

01:26:13.936 --> 01:26:15.158
Was there anything else you wanted to

01:26:15.259 --> 01:26:16.220
cover on the forum this week?

01:26:17.853 --> 01:26:19.796
No, it was a really busy week,

01:26:20.497 --> 01:26:22.800
but a lot of it... And personally,

01:26:22.840 --> 01:26:23.761
this actually makes me happy.

01:26:23.820 --> 01:26:25.103
A lot of it was questions,

01:26:25.162 --> 01:26:26.003
especially from newbies.

01:26:26.045 --> 01:26:26.905
I feel like I saw a lot of

01:26:26.945 --> 01:26:28.228
questions from new people this week,

01:26:28.247 --> 01:26:31.492
which makes me so happy, personally,

01:26:31.532 --> 01:26:32.793
that there's new people getting into

01:26:32.833 --> 01:26:33.215
privacy.

01:26:33.916 --> 01:26:34.195
I am a...

01:26:35.216 --> 01:26:36.478
I am a firm believer that there are

01:26:36.537 --> 01:26:38.118
no stupid questions that are asked in good

01:26:38.158 --> 01:26:38.479
faith.

01:26:38.640 --> 01:26:40.121
So, um, I mean,

01:26:40.140 --> 01:26:41.362
definitely use the search function.

01:26:41.502 --> 01:26:42.122
Cause I mean,

01:26:42.162 --> 01:26:43.543
the forum has been around for a long

01:26:43.604 --> 01:26:45.064
time and there's a good chance that

01:26:45.085 --> 01:26:46.386
somebody else has asked your question,

01:26:46.485 --> 01:26:48.608
but, uh, it's still like,

01:26:49.427 --> 01:26:50.828
if you do a search and it's not

01:26:50.868 --> 01:26:53.030
there, like, you know, it's, it's,

01:26:53.110 --> 01:26:54.452
it's cool to see people like getting into

01:26:54.471 --> 01:26:56.373
privacy and learning is kind of what I'm

01:26:56.394 --> 01:26:56.694
getting at.

01:26:56.753 --> 01:26:56.913
But,

01:26:57.881 --> 01:26:59.143
Um, yeah, that was,

01:26:59.182 --> 01:27:00.564
that was kind of all I saw in

01:27:00.583 --> 01:27:01.184
the forum.

01:27:01.203 --> 01:27:03.765
So I think we're good to open the

01:27:03.786 --> 01:27:05.527
floor if anybody's been holding on to any

01:27:05.546 --> 01:27:08.609
questions.

01:27:08.628 --> 01:27:09.128
Definitely.

01:27:09.429 --> 01:27:10.369
Um, I guess, yeah,

01:27:10.390 --> 01:27:12.490
I didn't really see any other stories in

01:27:12.511 --> 01:27:13.792
the forum this week either.

01:27:13.992 --> 01:27:16.632
Definitely been, oh, we keep saying it,

01:27:16.653 --> 01:27:18.033
but like, yeah, it's been,

01:27:18.113 --> 01:27:19.814
it's been a kind of slow week and

01:27:20.176 --> 01:27:20.315
yeah.

01:27:21.144 --> 01:27:22.925
you know, it's very rare.

01:27:23.246 --> 01:27:24.286
I feel like it is so rare.

01:27:24.305 --> 01:27:27.287
Like we've been kind of working pretty

01:27:27.328 --> 01:27:30.671
hard since and, you know,

01:27:30.690 --> 01:27:32.212
we rarely get a week where we're like,

01:27:32.412 --> 01:27:34.512
oh, there's nothing we can talk about.

01:27:34.613 --> 01:27:35.974
There's not really any big story.

01:27:36.335 --> 01:27:38.735
So it's nice to, you know,

01:27:38.775 --> 01:27:42.458
sometimes have a little bit of a more

01:27:42.519 --> 01:27:45.041
chill time and, you know,

01:27:45.060 --> 01:27:46.521
talk about some more positive stuff as

01:27:46.561 --> 01:27:46.801
well.

01:27:47.042 --> 01:27:47.983
So that is good.

01:27:49.881 --> 01:27:49.980
Yeah,

01:27:50.020 --> 01:27:51.122
I think one time when I was at

01:27:51.141 --> 01:27:53.823
Surveillance Reporter, when I was there,

01:27:53.963 --> 01:27:56.005
our episodes averaged about thirty to

01:27:56.045 --> 01:27:57.706
forty five minutes, depending on the week.

01:27:58.466 --> 01:27:59.606
And I think there was one time we

01:27:59.646 --> 01:28:01.068
literally had like an eleven minute

01:28:01.108 --> 01:28:03.368
episode because there was just no news at

01:28:03.429 --> 01:28:04.430
all that week.

01:28:05.229 --> 01:28:06.511
It was it was really weird.

01:28:07.150 --> 01:28:08.091
But, you know,

01:28:08.152 --> 01:28:09.552
in the like five years I was there,

01:28:09.573 --> 01:28:10.594
that only happened once.

01:28:10.894 --> 01:28:12.154
So.

01:28:12.194 --> 01:28:12.935
So it does happen.

01:28:15.117 --> 01:28:15.577
Definitely.

01:28:16.096 --> 01:28:17.618
I mean,

01:28:17.637 --> 01:28:19.297
not really seeing any other questions,

01:28:19.757 --> 01:28:21.677
unless there's anything you really wanted

01:28:21.698 --> 01:28:22.719
to talk about this week.

01:28:29.020 --> 01:28:29.479
Trying to think.

01:28:32.199 --> 01:28:32.621
Yeah.

01:28:32.661 --> 01:28:34.020
Like we've covered most things.

01:28:34.201 --> 01:28:35.100
I'm not really seeing any,

01:28:35.820 --> 01:28:37.921
any other comments anywhere else either.

01:28:38.002 --> 01:28:40.601
So maybe we do wrap it up early

01:28:40.641 --> 01:28:43.103
this week.

01:28:43.143 --> 01:28:43.903
I guess so.

01:28:44.023 --> 01:28:44.342
Yeah.

01:28:44.542 --> 01:28:44.762
I mean,

01:28:46.698 --> 01:28:47.438
I don't know why I want to talk

01:28:47.478 --> 01:28:49.279
about sci-fi, but what else is new?

01:28:49.300 --> 01:28:50.520
I always want to do that.

01:28:50.560 --> 01:28:53.362
That's all I got.

01:28:53.421 --> 01:28:53.702
Yeah.

01:28:53.782 --> 01:28:54.042
Okay.

01:28:54.101 --> 01:28:54.762
So yeah,

01:28:55.363 --> 01:28:56.423
we'll wrap it up a little bit early

01:28:56.463 --> 01:28:56.904
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01:28:57.744 --> 01:28:59.265
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