/ Matt: Is this episode three?
Alison: Episode three.
Are you ready to record a podcast with me today?
Matt: Let's record a podcast with you.
Alison: Yay.
Matt: Hashtag podcast.
Hashtag blessed podcast.
Alison: Not, not our podcast.
Hashtag cursed.
Matt: Oh, no.
Alison: .Oh no.
Matt: Eyeball spinning.
I'm in a weird mood today.
Just warning you.
Alison: We are.
Matt: Yeah, it's been a weird week.
But I'm very excited about today's podcast, of ADHD20, which is a podcast
that tries to find the intersection between ADHD and role playing
games, oftentimes, D&D, but what?
Alison: Mostly D&D.
Matt: Mostly D&D.
Yeah.
I'm not a,
Alison: Here's the thing.
We want to open the umbrella to incorporate other RPGs,
Matt: Mm-hmm.
Alison: But you have someone here who is severely anxious about new things.
Matt: Right, I know,
Alison: We'll get there.
I have faith in us.
I am excited about it.
It's just a lot.
You know, we, we did take some time to take a look at
Pathfinder out of curiosity.
Matt: Yeah.
Alison: Enjoyed that time we spent it.
Just, it's so comfortable to know what I'm doing,
Matt: Mm-hmm.
Alison: And so the thought of not knowing what I'm doing again, well,
it triggers a little bit of what we're gonna talk about today, Matt.
Matt: I was gonna say, it kind of kind of goes along the lines of what
we, uh, have on the books today.
Alison: Well, but first I need to hear those two little words that you
like to give us to kick off podcasts.
Matt: Hi, Alison.
Alison: There it is.
And I guess we should probably roll a couple of d100s.
Matt: s Sss!
Oh yes.
Oh my gosh.
Alison: Let's, let's roll.
All right.
Would you like to go first or would you like for me to?
Matt: I'll go first.
Why not?
Uh,
Alison: right.
Matt: I rolled an eight.
Alison: Okay.
You and I rolled numbers right on top of each other this week.
That's fun.
Matt: Whoa.
Alison: I love this question for you.
What's something you are truly terrible at?
Matt: Wow.
That's amazing.
We haven't gotten this one yet.
How?
What's something you're truly terrible at?
So the 2023, uh, answer is not gonna start with so many things, right?
That's not true.
Um, what am I truly terrible at?
I am not good.
Well, I'm even getting, I'm getting better at saying no.
So that's one thing.
Okay.
I am truly terrible at sports, and exercise, to be honest.
Uh, it's not, it's not so much.
I actually kind of have pretty decent hand eye coordination,
but man, I am not good at sports.
That's why part of this podcast exists is that I channeled all of that, energy, and
I, I'm a little bit regretful for, uh, of it a little bit, that if there's one thing
that I kind of wish my parents had done, they encouraged everything about my life,
that artistic side, the creative side, the, imagineering , the, the dreaming.
They really, you know, they said I could be anything I wanted, but I do kind of
wish that they had said, try a sport because I have such a weird relationship
with exercise it's just not something I, I just don't have like a background of fun.
I don't have positive history with it.
So is that fair to say?
That's what I'm truly terrible at.
Alison: It's funny that you say that because I'd like to
tell a quick little story.
You and I and our friend Fitz went to There it is.
Uh, went axe throwing together a few months ago.
Fitz and I have both gone axe throwing multiple times each.
Fitz was even in an axe throwing league and the guy who's like teaching us how
to do it, you know, they always have somebody come out and show you the ropes
before they, you know, unleash you.
Fitz and I are throwing and throwing and we're just not hitting
the board over and over again.
Matt picks up an axe and on the first throw: bullseye and then
we're all like beginner's luck.
And then he just kept throwing bangers the whole time.
So I guess that's not athletics per se, but it is a definite
hand-eye coordination pursuit and you were instantly stunning at it.
Matt: Yeah, I do, I really do have a strange, I think that's what I'm
saying is like, I was a skinny kid, I was awkward, all of those things.
But I think I do have a natural talent for, especially like the
hand-eye stuff, like throwing a ball into a basketball hoop or something
like that, like I, I can do that.
I don't know why.
I have no idea why, but it was never fostered and I never, you know, because
then when I went to school and there were like sports and teams and all that
stuff, and I just kind of crumbled and was very unpopular and made fun of.
So it just became, I have such a negative thing towards all of it that,
Alison: Isn't it interesting the spectrum that exists?
You just said, you know, you were the skinny kid and that's why you were
picked on and didn't make the teams.
And I was the fat kid and that's why I was picked on.
And like, who, who is demanding perfection at eight years old?
And who do we need to talk to about this problem?
Because it's absurd.
Matt: I'm hoping that it's different now.
But yeah, it was a rough time.
If anybody has seen, um, Freaks and Geeks
Alison: Yeah.
Matt: You wanna get a good, good grasp on what my high school and Below
experience was, yeah, I don't know.
Yeah.
Alison: Uh, I got right on top of ya, number nine.
Matt: Number nine.
Number nine.
This is not possible.
Are you kidding me?
Alison: I ha unfortunately, normally I try to not look at what my question's
gonna be, but because it was right there next to your, question.
So, dear listeners, uh, my question today is, Matt?
Matt: Do any of your D&D characters have ADHD?
Alison: Which is the topic that we
Matt: today's podcast.
Weird.
That's weird.
Alison: That is synchronicity,
the universe saying yes.
So where the door is easily pushed, right open with no resistance.
That's what you should be giving the most of your attention.
Matt: I like it.
I like it.
Well, then that means we've got a good topic for y'all today, folks.
Alison: gotta, we gotta.
Matt: yeah.
Do we even answer that one?
Do we even, I mean, because that's kind of, it's a spoiler, right?
Stay tuned.
Yeah.
Okay.
Alison: So let's go for like the lighter fluffier topic first, and
then we will get into the meat of the episode and directly address.
Don't you worry.
In just a few more minutes, we will in fact be talking about, uh, which of my
characters I feel like may have ADHD.
Matt: Cannot wait.
Alison: So we have a new favorite word.
Which is neuro spicy.
Still a favorite word by the way.
Um, but I heard a word probably on TikTok a few weeks ago.
"Dopamining."
So dopamining is the practice of, uh, doing activities that give you a
maybe necessary little dopamine boost.
And I experienced this for the first time a few weeks ago.
New year, new me new budget, right?
And, uh, trying desperately to not spend money.
And I am, you know, one of the ways that my, lack of impulse control,
comes in a lot is just I spend way too much money on very unnecessary things.
I have, I have no chill when it comes to pulling out the old credit card.
So I'm trying to lock it down.
I'm trying to not buy any clothes cause I have plenty, I'm trying to not, you know,
buy any new tchotchkes or knickknacks or things for my house cuz I have plenty.
And I was taking down Christmas and the area where my Christmas tree
was, I was like, maybe I should do something new with that space.
And so I gave myself a little challenge.
I was like, I can pull any piece of furniture, any decoration,
anything that I already own to try and make this space new.
And over the course of the afternoon, I'm like going through my house
and moving furniture around.
By the way, were you, Matt, one of those kids that was
constantly rearranging your room?
Because I definitely was,
Matt: Uh, yes.
Uh, yes.
Young Matt did that and, and, uh, old Matt does that.
Alison: Yep, yep, yep, yep.
But anyways, over the course of the afternoon I ended up creating
myself a fun little book nook with a table from somewhere entirely
different and, you know, lighting from other places in my house and,
you know, and it's so adorable A.
It makes me wanna read more cuz I have a dedicated space for it.
It also has become like my meditation chair.
Um, And it's wonderful.
And I realized at the end of that that I had the same level of joy coursing
through my body that I do is when I go shopping and get to come home.
And, and I felt, I felt in that moment, like I had discovered like a little hack,
like do other people know about this?
That maybe you don't have to spend the money.
Maybe you could just spend the time breathing new life into
something that you already own.
And that's the exact same effect.
So two part question.
Part one is, Matt, do you have any dopamining that you'd like to share?
Matt: Yes, in fact, I have been dopamining.
I, I'm delighted to hear that this is a real thing.
and okay, Here's my question.
So dopamine means taking what you've got and mining it for new dopamine, right?
Alison: Not necessarily just taking part in activities that you know.
So maybe if shopping is how you, dopamine, you go shopping or you
Matt: Uh,
Alison: Like whatever the activity is.
It doesn't have to be old, new, or otherwise.
It's the, the act of doing the thing that you know is gonna
bring you that hit of joy.
Scrolling endlessly through TikTok is how a lot of people, dopamine.
Matt: I get it.
I get it, But in, in this specific case, we're saying, how can we
dopamine without, uh, adding to our credit and spending money?
Well, I've been trying recently to kind of pair things down,
like, with all of my gear, right?
Cuz now I've got, I've got a "work-work" side of this office and, and a record
studio, edit side of the office.
And, uh, I feel like the, the edit studio side of the office, uh, was
kind of getting a little bit intense and every once in a while things were
just kind of, you know, stop working because it there was a lot going on.
And I was also using a separate computer just to, just to record and stuff.
But I thought, well, gosh, maybe I don't need that computer and
maybe my friend Alison might like it because it's a good computer.
It's a great computer, and you could actually use an upgrade.
Um, so my, my problem with dopamine and dopamining, possibilities happen every
time a new Apple product is released.
There's always a point where I have to obsess about it and go, okay, gosh, wow.
Do I need this upgrade?
Should I have this upgrade?
I spend hours and hours and hours and hours and hours of talking myself
into or out of certain things, right?
Uh, so there's a new few products released that were a solid upgrade, and I was
very excited about them because I was like, Ooh, well that could be beneficial.
and I was like, Ooh.
And it could also help Alison.
That's a part of me trying to work through it.
Uh, and so I was like, I'll, I'll do it.
And so you know, I'm selling you one of my computers.
And then when I went to press the buy button, I said, wait a minute.
Hold on.
Do I need this right now?
So what I did instead was I dismantled everything to get your system—a
monitor and a, and a Mac Mini.
That's gonna be so, so great for you, I think.
so, so, so much quieter, so much more powerful.
so that's gonna be great.
And I had it all aside.
I was like, okay, great.
Now I have room for something new.
And then I was like, well, What if I just did without, what if I don't use
two, two monitors in this room and I only have one here and can I do it all?
And I did.
And I, so everything is a lot simpler.
It's cleaner.
I've got my dice tray ready to go right at my hand because now I
have room for it cuz there's not another, something right there.
And, and my laptop, uh, which is a great laptop, can do it all.
So I'm, I'm just, you know, I am unplugging to move around.
But I was doing that anyway, so I've now dopamined myself into
this really lovely new experience, both in my work and this studio.
And, uh, I don't have to worry about changing settings on different computers
because that's what I was doing.
And I did a lot of cable management.
cable management is a big dopamining thing for me.
Alison: So what I'm hearing from you is that streamlining is dopamining for you.
Matt: Strangely, it is.
I think that my initial, my belief was, I need to be able to do
this and this and this and this.
And then, over the last year of actually doing that stuff and seeing
what I actually needed, I was like, oh wait, no, I can get everything
I need to get done just as well with a cleaner look and feel.
And it is really nice.
Playing D&D is better.
It's easier.
Less things to plug in and do.
Alison: It did seem like you were like always futzing.
Matt: Futzing is, is dopamining for me for sure.
No question.
Futzing is super fun.
Dopamine-y, yes.
Alison: You know, I realized it, I think we all knew this, but one of my instant
dopamine hits is something you just did.
Matt: Oh,
Alison: The dice rattle, man.
Ah, God yes.
It's why I am a total dice gremlin.
Rolling that dice and, and waiting expectantly to see, you know, did
I, did I fail or did I succeed?
Is just, it does something.
It tickles my brain in the best of ways.
I love
Matt: Yeah.
Alison: So I am very curious, uh, those listening.
Uh, I wanna know how you, dopamine, this has gotta be a thing.
So if, if you, if you don't already know, like take some time to find out.
It's super fun.
And if you do know, tell us, cuz I just, I bet that everybody has
different ways that they get that hit.
Matt: Now, here's the thing with ADHD, this beauty is gonna last
for a, you know, a month or two.
And then we're gonna be like, Hmm, something else is gonna come out and
we'll be wanting to change things.
And that is okay with us.
So yeah, please everybody send in your hits of the dopamine persuasion,
Alison: It to us.
All right, well, do you wanna talk about, now our nice chewy, uh...
Matt: I do.
Alison: How did we get How did we get to this, this idea?
Um, so I don't know if Matt or I have ever mentioned this, but we, we play
Dungeons and Dragons together, uh, a few times a week at this point.
Matt: Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Alison: uh, One might call us obsessed.
So in this campaign, actually Matt's first campaign, DMing for us.
I started out as a rogue, so rogues are your little sneaky sneaks.
And then I realized true to true to type, I missed being a magic caster.
And so I went to Matt and begged and pleaded, can I please, please multi-class?
Into a bard.
Because I had taken the entertainer background, and so I had built my
character around somebody who was already, you know, on the road performing for coin.
Uh, and so it seemed like a natural fit.
Um, and then my rogue-ish archetype, I had taken arcane trickster, so I already
had a little bit of magic in me, and so it just, it seemed like the right flex.
But Matt, you don't love multiclassing.
Care to talk about that for a second?
Matt: Yeah, we should explain.
Um, in, In Dungeons and Dragons, if you think of a class as your
profession, your job, right?
So there are rogues that Chimerical started off to be.
And then you could have the job of a fighter or a druid.
Uh, multiclassing is a mechanic uh, where you start off as a rogue
and then you say, my next level of experience is going to be in Bard.
I'm gonna be a magic musician.
Right?
And then I might become a fighter.
And look, I'm, I'm very much aware that part of the reason that
multi-classing drives me nuts as a Dungeon Master, is that it is triggering
my, internal ADHD, trying very hard to, to stay focused on something.
And I also just don't, I don't like, the current Dungeons & Dragons fifth
edition mechanic for multiclassing.
I just don't like the concept of it.
I don't, It doesn't seem realistic to me, because in D&D it's kind of like I'm doing
this now, uh, now I'm taking a right turn.
Now I'm plant doing this.
Now I'm taking a left turn.
Now I'm, you know, so it, it frustrates me.
Uh, and I've, I've made that, you know, apparent to, to the players
in the group, to their frustration.
But to Make Alison happy.
I said, of course Alison, I want you to have what you want in this
game that we play every week.
I want you to be happy.
So yes, let us, let's do multiclassing, right?
And so we, you know, I, I'm the kind of, I'm the kind of game master that
wants to, have like, reasons that people will make choices in the game.
Meaning...
Why would your character, Chimerical?
Suddenly decide to study the ways of a Bard?
Why would she go from a thief background to something else?
And you have, you've had great reasons for it.
But the other players in the group have come to me with like, these
major backstories and like these, very intense reasons why they are
what they are and do what they do.
But you and I have just kind of been like, you learn something new as a player
and you come to me, I wanna try this.
I'm like, okay, sure we can, we can do that.
And then the next time we talk about like, gaining new experience of like, Ooh,
and now I feel like she might do this.
Um, and then we finally, it finally dawned on us, didn't it?
Because, uh, something happened recently that, was an in game
extreme event that happened.
And this time Alison came to me and had a very different feel and a
demonstrative idea for her character.
Suddenly her character was razor focused on what she wanted to do
next and what she wanted to be.
And at that moment we both went, oh, Chimerical has ADHD, Chimerical has ADHD.
She's had it all along, and, and it's just taken this life experience,
this moment to, to both show us that.
Alison: One of the ways I, I'll give Evan especially a lot of credit
here is, is playing against type.
You know, like, anybody can be the bard who wanders around and
cracks jokes and strums on their lute, you know, and that's fun.
And I'm not, I'm not dunking on people who do that.
but do more, be more.
And so I, I tried to, when I built Chimerical, you know, even though I
had her with an entertainer background, I tried to, to come up with different
ways that she could entertain for coin besides just, you know, open
mic night at the local tavern, right?
Um,
Matt: Right, right.
Alison: And so, you know, kind of leaning into learning to, you know,
play against type and to take chances.
And so this event that Matt is referencing was an incredibly sad event.
A a an event in which, Matt has pushed a, a love theme into , into
this campaign with an NPC.
But I I found myself realizing I didn't want my character to be
defined exclusively by being lovesick.
Like, that's boring.
That's every romantic comedy that exists out there.
And so I, I was, it was me trying to play against type and say, okay,
but what are some more interesting in character choices I could make?
We've talked about this I think on the podcast, that anger and
sadness are kind of the low-hanging fruit of the emotional world.
And so try and find other reactions, find new different ways.
So that's kind of, that was the spirit in which I came to Matt and said,
okay, like this thing has happened.
But I don't want her to be defined by just pining endlessly cuz that's
not gonna be fun for me to play.
And it's not gonna fun for my party to have to just deal with this
lump who's crying all the time.
And so, yeah, so Matt and I start talking.
We both have this sudden like aha moment, realizing that the reason
she has changed focuses so many times is because she has ADHD.
I'll peel the player from the character for a minute.
It was a real life frustration of Alison's not necessarily Chimerical's, when I,
I had realized in recent weeks nobody in the party knew what I was good at.
And so anytime we would come up against anything where, oh, somebody needs to, you
know, uh, unlock a door or somebody needs to, do a vibe check on a room everybody
would turn to everybody else in the party.
And that was driving me, Alison, a little bit crazy because
I'm like, I'm good at that.
But I realized that the way that I was playing the character, I hadn't, you
know, I don't know if it was a masking problem, but that was when all of a sudden
I went, oh my God, it's ADHD because I hadn't let anybody know what I was about.
I had been so focused on being a Jill of all trades, multi-talented, able
to be proficient, cuz that's what...
you know, a Bard is proficient in a lot of things, but they're not the
one singular focus for any one thing.
And I think when I verbalized to you that I was really frustrated
that nobody turned to me in game to ask me to do these things, that was
when you and I both went, oh no.
And that gave me like the fire in my gut that you were talking about, to define the
thing that I stand for to make it known.
This is my talent.
This is what you need to rely on me on before anybody else.
And it's not an ego thing.
I think I'm not doing a great job of explaining it in a way that
doesn't make it sound all about me.
But in a, in a game, in a party, you wanna be balanced.
And we've talked about that before.
You know the archetypes, so you wanna know who to call on.
Matt: So, I think that the thing about multiclassing, for me, again, the,
that is probably triggering to me is that even though we strive to hit these
real emotional elements in the game, like the party has the archetypes and
everybody's moving and doing these things,
Alison: Mm-hmm.
Matt: There's a part of me that believes that, if you are kind of
a thief and kind of a magic using bard, then there is a chance that
you're going to experience this.
Because Evan is, Evan's character is just a monk that is going to
kill someone on the first strike.
And then we've got this druid and then the healer, they have
focused into being the ones that do the thing when the time comes.
And you are gonna struggle with that.
You're just, because you're not, you're not a super powerful bard,
nor are you a super powerful thief.
Right?
And that's, that's a frustration.
And as, as someone with ADHD in real life, you're gonna actually in game feel this
rejection sensitive dysphoria, right?
Alison: I, I think I've said this before, probably even on this podcast, where I
have learned more about my disability from this podcast with you, from our
community, Discord and otherwise, and from than I ever have from any formal diagnosis
or care plan with a doctor, right?
And one of the things that I never had even heard of until it's been
within the last six months is RSD: Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria.
Um, so I'm just gonna read really quickly from Cleveland Clinic RSD is when you
experience severe emotional pain because of a failure or feeling rejected.
This condition is linked to ADHD, and experts suspect it happens due
to differences in brain structure.
Those differences mean your brain can't regulate rejection related emotions and
behaviors, making them much more intense.
The second that I heard about this concept I mean, it, it describes
everything that I always am.
Why little tiny things, you know, that to other people, they
would just kind of brush off and say like, oh, this is a spat.
We'll, we'll be over it by morning.
I'm like, oh my God, do you not love me anymore?
Do you not wanna be in my life anymore?
Do you not want anything to do with me?
And it, and it perplexes my, my friends and family.
But now that I have a name for it, and that's, you know, so much of what
this journey is all about is giving things a name, understanding them,
having conversations, and hopefully eventually, you know, there's some
things that, that we're just gonna be, and we're, we've talked about this
before, we're not gonna try and fight it.
This is something I'd like to fight.
But it, it explains so much, Matt, about why at various stages in our
lives, you and I have both been pegged as overly sensitive or overly dramatic.
And I think, you know, when I, when I started thinking about this
within the lens of Chimerical, she was feeling ignored.
She was feeling misunderstood.
She was feeling, you know, uh, like she was, she would and could
have been labeled at any turn.
These things that she didn't feel she innately was because she has ADHD.
And coupled that ADHD is RSD.
Matt: Yeah.
I know, I know.
It's so weird.
It's so amazing.
Um,
Alison: Other things that I do just want, wanna kind of read like, cuz I, I'm not
good enough at this to paraphrase, but like, I think that these are the important
parts of it that I kind of gleaned.
While rejection is something people usually don't like.
That's true, nobody loves it.
The negative feelings that come with RSD are stronger and can
be harder to manage or both.
People with RSD are also more likely to interpret vague reactions
as rejection and may find it difficult to control the reactions.
How many times has someone has innocently brushed me off and I,
I'm like, oh, they're mad at me.
And that's never it.
And usually when I come to them and say, are you mad at me?
They'll say, what are you talking about?
I, I was busy.
I, I was, I was focused on the work I was doing.
Um, and then the final.
I know, right?
I was streamlining.
And then kind of the final thing, and this is getting into the science
of it, is social rejection, even when it's vague or uncertain, causes
similar brain activity to pain.
So that like we are inflicted pain upon us.
And that resonates so hard with me that you just, you know, when you are in
blinding pain, you have a migraine or you know something is broken and it's
not, it's all that you can focus on.
It's all that you can fixate on because the neurotransmitters in your
brain are, you know, sending you a signal that something's not right.
Like, that's why pain exists, right?
And that's what's happening in my brain structure because of my ADHD.
It's the same reaction as if I had, you know, twisted my ankle.
It's my brain trying to get my attention and say, pay attention.
Matt: Right.
Alison: I think that it's really funny that I had to play D&D
to uncover this in real life.
Matt: I, I do, I do really want to hear from people who don't experience this
because I, again, we know that there are elements of this, everybody experiences.
I mean, feelings can get hurt.
It's not like we're saying, oh, we have the monopoly on hurt feelings.
But it is incredibly difficult to explain at the, the intensity and the
level of it to the point where, like you said, we are so unaware and so
the only feedback that we get, that we, that, that we can go off of our
entire lives is when people go, what?
Why?
Why are you reacting that way?
What?
They literally don't understand why we are in a full on tailspin.
cuz their, their email was just efficient.
I don't write efficient emails because I don't like getting efficient emails
cuz I think that they're mad at me.
I know, it's ridiculous.
But that's, a real thing.
And so I would love to hear from people whose maybe brains are,
are a little less neuro spicy.
That, that, like, what is it like then?
What is it?
Because I just take it for granted so much.
So yeah, so we're, you know, we're standing there we're, and we're
like, oh gosh, so this, this major thing just happened to Chimerical.
We're not gonna make her sad.
We're not gonna make her like furious, what are we gonna do?
She's gonna get even, how are we gonna make her get even, right?
Um,
and so you had some really fun ideas to do that.
And, it, it wasn't that, it's, you know, it's not gonna change your class
system, your choices up till now.
But what you're saying, which I think is something that we can apply in our real
lives, is personally I am, I'm proud to be a jack of all trades, master of none.
I don't like talking about superpowers and ADHD, but man there is nothing better than
to be able to go into a strange situation.
I did, I did this just Saturday.
We went to this super random, super last minute gala fundraiser thing.
Didn't know anybody.
Sat down, and I could talk about anything.
I could talk about anything.
That is pretty magical.
So I'm, I'm happy.
I'm happy that I can do that.
That's super fun when, when it happens.
But the, but the flip side is I'm not going to be a 10th level monk
or a 10th level wildfire druid.
I'm not going to be that focused.
Alison: Yeah, I think that that's, you know, one of the ways that RSD has
played out in my life has been around the concept of, of being too much.
And I think that that's kind of coming from the not feeling like you have
a place that you naturally fit in.
So you keep trying to insert yourself, you know, in any situation that you can.
And you kind of try to, you learn how to be everything to everyone.
And I think that this also leads into a conversation about masking as well.
And I think that that's something that I dealt with, that I brought
into my character of she was trying to be everything to everyone and to
your point, not getting anywhere.
Because instead of being at a level 10, she was at two level fives.
Matt: Mm-hmm.
Alison: You know?
And so, and that's where, you know, once I think, I think as humans, once
we step into our power and embrace it and say, Fuck it, this is how I am.
Then you stop hearing you're too much.
You know, because then you've learned to, to channel that power and
that energy into the right places.
and, and that falls away.
It's been years since I've heard "you're too much".
But I used to hear it a lot and I think because as I've gotten older, I've grown
more comfortable building the right boat and making sure the right crew
is on board, like putting your energy in there, all of the right places.
It all kind of comes back to that.
So, um, RSD is something we have but barely scratched the surface on.
You know, I think I've told you this before, Matt, that becoming your friend,
one of the early things is that you always made me feel seen, heard, and understood
in ways that others before had not.
I think it's because you and I both have ADHD, so you kind of
naturally knew what I needed.
But like I, I, I think when you begin to place more people like that in your
life, the RSD can fade away because you're constantly surrounded by
people who know both how to treat you.
And then you grow that confidence to not have to have as much validation,
as earlier versions of you required.
Matt: From what I know, I don't know a whole lot, but from what I know so
far, the, the experience of getting older is, both accepting things,
but also trying to find that path of understanding and, and ease maybe where
you're like, I could keep fighting this.
I could keep fighting.
I could fight to be this, there's lots of things worth fighting for.
But then I think maybe part of wisdom is that's not worth fighting for anymore.
Just not worth it.
In fact I have, I've been fighting so hard to be, with this person or to learn
this, that I am ignoring the awesomeness that has been next to me the whole time.
Right?
Like things like that.
But I love how, I love how we can find the way that it, it connects to D&D.
I love it when that happens.
Alison: And there's the answer to the question that I rolled
for, which is still hilarious.
Of all hundred questions I could have been asked today, it was that one.
Do any of my characters have ADHD?
Most of them probably, but definitely Chimerical.
Matt: Yeah.
But you would hope so though, right?
You would hope that, like we've said many times, I think everybody
should play a role playing game.
I think every single human being should, because it's you as your dream self.
It's you as your best and your worst all at once.
And, and so when it, you know, when it, when it actually rears its head in
Chimerical's case, you're like, wow, cool.
That's, that's deep man.
You're experiencing RSD in real life and in game.
Alison: Well, on that note.
Matt: Well, on that note, thanks for letting me be in your podcast, Alison.
Alison: Oh, oh oh!
We're turning tables.
Here we are.
You are welcome.
It is a pleasure to record a podcast with you.
Matt: Thank you.
I see and cherish your RSD.
Alison: The light in me, Namaste-RSD,
Matt: Namaste-RSD.
Alison: My RSD sees and bows to the RSD in you.
I love it when we devolve.
We have these nice serious heart to hearts, and then we say things like that.
And that's the way it is and always will be.
Matt: And always will be.
Amen.
All right, well, I guess until next time.
All the Nightmother's people say:
Alison: Amen.
Bidi Bidi Bidi.
Hello, my friends.
This is Matt.
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