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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to The Bible Guys, a podcast where a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of friends talk about the Bible in fun in

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<v Speaker 1>practical ways. Hey, everybody, welcome to the Bible Guys career.

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Tom.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we today are your Bible Guys because Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>is out of the town with Chad.

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<v Speaker 3>He's off serving Jesus and Morocco.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm not kidding, even Morocco, which is great, but

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<v Speaker 1>he really is truly on a missions trip that is

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<v Speaker 1>not a vacation for him. But anyway, he was not

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<v Speaker 1>available today. So what we're doing is having a different

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<v Speaker 1>guest every day of the week, which is really fun.

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<v Speaker 1>And today we have Pastor Tom Blount.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great to be here. I'm excited just to be

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<v Speaker 2>in the same room with the Bible Guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Stop.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was hoping you would sing for me today.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, Oh my gosh, my.

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<v Speaker 2>Wife and I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you really?

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<v Speaker 2>Good morning? Mon Oh you do it?

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<v Speaker 3>Good to go, go go, come on.

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<v Speaker 2>Good moaning, good morning.

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<v Speaker 4>We talked the whole night through good moaning, good moaning

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<v Speaker 4>to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is a privilege for me, gay, No, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not kidding, because Jeff doesn't sing that and you sang it.

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<v Speaker 2>I got him to do it a little bit amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not as good as you, but no, no.

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<v Speaker 3>No, listen, now I know how Jeff feels.

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<v Speaker 1>That is pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>You did awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>How to snap.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hot in here, by the way.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. It is, which is why I have a

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<v Speaker 3>T shirt.

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<v Speaker 2>On you anyways, But it's great. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey listen, First of all, thank you for that. That

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<v Speaker 1>was a privilege. I forgot to tell people what you do.

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<v Speaker 1>You have been for a long time now our main

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<v Speaker 1>pastor of our Inly City campus for Heritage Church.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we're gonna actually be there this September. Eight years

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<v Speaker 4>eight years we helped start the campus, but then we

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<v Speaker 4>went and served another place for a little time.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, eight years. So we're excited.

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<v Speaker 1>So tell our listeners who perhaps are in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a driving distance away from your campus, what's happening on

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<v Speaker 1>April twenty fourth.

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<v Speaker 4>April twenty fourth, we're going to have the Bible Guys Live,

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<v Speaker 4>which is which is seven o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff and myself, Jeff.

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<v Speaker 2>And you will be there.

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<v Speaker 4>There's only gonna be two hundred tickets, so you'll have

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<v Speaker 4>to get online. I think it's Heritage Church dot com

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<v Speaker 4>slash events and you can reserve a ticket. Anybody's invited,

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<v Speaker 4>and I know a lot of the listeners who watch

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<v Speaker 4>on the podcast or maybe listen in their car, they'll

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<v Speaker 4>want to come out and see.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be a fun time little snacks.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we'll actually do an actual Bible Guys episode at

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<v Speaker 1>the Bible Guy yea, it's it's going to be straight

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<v Speaker 1>Bible Guys episode and then we're gonna do other stuff too,

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<v Speaker 1>So it'll be a lot of fun and if you

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you care about that sort of thing

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<v Speaker 1>and you want to come out and see us live

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<v Speaker 1>Bible Guys Live event. It's the first one we've ever

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<v Speaker 1>really technically promoted with with through this venue. Right, we've

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<v Speaker 1>never advertised the Bible Guys Live event on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 4>We thought it would be a great time because you

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<v Speaker 4>guys are just we're just finishing up with the Bible

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<v Speaker 4>Guys in the study of First Timothy in groups.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah cool, Yeah, that's really great.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you're you're people of your church are going

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<v Speaker 1>to come out because it's sort of the culmination of

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<v Speaker 1>a group.

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<v Speaker 2>Study, yeah study.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's an open invitation because it's just going to

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<v Speaker 1>be this random fun time. Uh. We're all we're really

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<v Speaker 1>going to be doing is just you know, getting together

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<v Speaker 1>and just encouraging people and doing bibba guy study.

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<v Speaker 2>That's gonna be a baba guys. Lie.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So now that we've promoted that, let's jump into

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<v Speaker 1>our segment. Uh, Thomas, this is what Desiree has written

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<v Speaker 1>for you. I call this the Crazy Questions. Thomas the

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<v Speaker 1>pastor of our Ina City campus and the coolest motorcycle

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<v Speaker 1>rider out there. So here's today's question. Yes, if you

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<v Speaker 1>could only use one type of transportation for the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of your life, but it had to be completely impractical,

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<v Speaker 1>what would it be? What a crazy question?

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<v Speaker 2>Man, that's crazy, I got you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh that's I wish you could be my motorcycle because

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<v Speaker 4>we're getting ready to do a trip out west.

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<v Speaker 3>What it can be?

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<v Speaker 1>Because that is technical impractical as you're well, practical in

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<v Speaker 1>winter in Michigan. Yeah, true, maybe not so much.

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of thought about a unicycle because when I

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<v Speaker 4>was a kid, I wanted to ride a unicycle.

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<v Speaker 2>That'd be kind of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever ridden a unicycle?

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<v Speaker 2>I tried in the basement, kept crashing in and all

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<v Speaker 1>Can you imagine going to the grocery store in your unicycle?

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<v Speaker 2>I actually thought about a hot air balloon. Can you

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<v Speaker 2>imagine having that view?

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<v Speaker 3>It does say your only source of.

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<v Speaker 2>It's only only and that's why. Yeah, man, that's tough.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll just say a unicycle because if it's my only

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<v Speaker 4>form of transportation, then sooner or later I have to

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<v Speaker 4>learn how to ride or I got to walk.

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<v Speaker 1>Well and all that, But then your whole life would

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<v Speaker 1>be probably confined in the city right that you would

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<v Speaker 1>never make it down for another Bible guys, never never, never,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're not going to ride forty five minutes in

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<v Speaker 1>a car. How long would that be on a unicycle? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>God, for me that don't know how to ride, it

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<v Speaker 2>be carried it on my shoulder.

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<v Speaker 1>Three days, maybe three days for me at least.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh man, that is I don't know. I guess I'll

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<v Speaker 4>say a unicycle. But I actually thought about a red

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<v Speaker 4>wagon that somebody had to pull me in the rest

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<v Speaker 4>of my life.

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<v Speaker 3>Who are you going deep on us now?

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<v Speaker 2>Red wagon, radio flyer, red wagon?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, look at you pulling off the memories.

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<v Speaker 2>Right there telling you, Yeah, I think it'd be fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you for entertaining us.

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<v Speaker 3>That was a thrill.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll bet, I'll bet, I'll bet the listeners are just

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<v Speaker 4>gonna well shock that on a star.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't you love knowing? Right now your wife's at home?

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<v Speaker 1>When did she listen to Bible?

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<v Speaker 2>Guys?

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<v Speaker 4>And we will know she'll listen to it if she's

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<v Speaker 4>cleaned the house. But we watch it at night together.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you really?

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<v Speaker 4>We watch it at night together and we love it.

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<v Speaker 4>You guys do a great job. I've learned a lot, which.

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<v Speaker 3>Means right now you're at home at night watching this

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<v Speaker 3>with your wife.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>To yourself, Hi, how you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>No, No, I said, say to yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh hey Tom, how you doing? Buddy? I wish I

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<v Speaker 2>could say hi to my mom?

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<v Speaker 3>But you did the right thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You said.

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<v Speaker 3>How did Judy first? That was the right thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know she's taught me. Well did you.

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<v Speaker 3>Like doing buddy?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey? I got to tell you something though. We just

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<v Speaker 2>are getting ready to pick up a new car for Judy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and she heard you in an episode that you

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<v Speaker 4>name all your cars.

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<v Speaker 2>She wants you to drive her car. That's crazy to

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<v Speaker 2>name it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm looking forward to that. That would be a privilege

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<v Speaker 1>for me, Thanks right. My brother Chucky has me named

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<v Speaker 1>all of his cars. I've named all infect her. Whole

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<v Speaker 1>family names all of our cars.

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<v Speaker 2>Crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've had like thirty cars if you consider all

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<v Speaker 1>the cars for my kids even and I was a

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<v Speaker 1>part of all the namings of them back when I

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<v Speaker 1>was sixteen up until now we've had I can name

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<v Speaker 1>you all of my cars, all their names.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I could remember the cars I drove.

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<v Speaker 2>I did. My first car was a Chavette.

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<v Speaker 4>You could have paddled it like the flintstones because the

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<v Speaker 4>floorboards are rusted out. That was crazy, Yeah, buddy, it

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<v Speaker 4>was crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you know the part of that song says with

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<v Speaker 1>the courtesy of Fred's two Feet.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you know that does say that? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, because people don't really know that line of.

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<v Speaker 2>The courtesy of Fred's two Feet.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, that's that's the line and the song that

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<v Speaker 3>nobody gets.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, and you remember everything?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I do, not kidding me. All right, Hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>that's our time. We're at seven minutes, so let's move

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<v Speaker 1>into actual things. You know, speaking of feet.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great transition.

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<v Speaker 1>We are about to walk through Psalm forty four. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible, terrible shit.

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<v Speaker 4>I was trying to figure out one, but I just

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<v Speaker 4>couldn't do it, because you guys, when you do them,

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<v Speaker 4>they're bad.

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<v Speaker 1>When I said the word feet, I didn't even know

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<v Speaker 1>how I was going to use that, but I said.

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<v Speaker 2>Walk through to Psalm forty four.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sort of proud myself, so.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, uh you want me to read, Uh, sure, I'll

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<v Speaker 4>read and do the best I can in Psalms forty four. So,

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<v Speaker 4>oh God, we have heard it with our own ears.

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<v Speaker 4>Our ancestors have told us of all you did in

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<v Speaker 4>their days and days long ago. You drove out the

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<v Speaker 4>pagan nation by your power and gave all the land

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<v Speaker 4>to your ancestors. To our ancestors, you crush their enemies,

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<v Speaker 4>their enemies, and set their ancestors free. They did not

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<v Speaker 4>conquer the land with their swords. It was not their

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<v Speaker 4>own strong arm that gave them victory. It was your

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<v Speaker 4>right hand and strong arm and the blinding light from

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<v Speaker 4>your face that helped them.

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<v Speaker 2>For you love them.

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<v Speaker 4>You are my king and my God. You command victories

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<v Speaker 4>for Israel. Only by your power can we push back

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<v Speaker 4>our enemies.

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<v Speaker 2>Only in the name.

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<v Speaker 4>Can we trample our foes. I do not trust in

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<v Speaker 4>my bow. I do not count on my sword to

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<v Speaker 4>save me. You are the one who gives us victory

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<v Speaker 4>over our enemies. You grace, disgrace, You disgrace those who

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<v Speaker 4>hate us. Oh God, we give you glory to you

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<v Speaker 4>all day long, and constantly praise your name. But now

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<v Speaker 4>you have tossed us aside in dishonor. You no longer

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<v Speaker 4>lead our armies to battle. You make us retreat from

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<v Speaker 4>All we hear are the taunts of our markers. All

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<v Speaker 4>we see is our vengeful enemies. All this has happened

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<v Speaker 4>in the jackals desert home. You have covered us with

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<v Speaker 4>God's God would surely have known it, for he knows

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<v Speaker 4>the secrets of every heart. But for your sake, we

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<v Speaker 4>are killed. Every day, We are being slaughtered like sheep.

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<v Speaker 4>Do not reject forever us forever? Why do you look

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<v Speaker 4>your unfailing love.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's crazy. There you go, there, you go, there

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<v Speaker 3>it is there, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>That is a crazy chapter.

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<v Speaker 1>that God has let you down, don't despair. Instead, remember

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<v Speaker 1>God's past deliverance and be confident that He will restore you.

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<v Speaker 1>and and so yeah, it is a absolute desperate writing,

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<v Speaker 1>right because he said, he's saying, we are being defeated. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>We're getting ridiculed. We are we are like in the

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<v Speaker 1>jaws of jackals. We are at our lowest point. And God,

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<v Speaker 1>you have allowed this. We have we are faithful. God,

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<v Speaker 1>Please give us this victory. Why have you forgotten us?

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<v Speaker 1>And so they're praying, excuse me, they're praying for this victory.

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<v Speaker 4>It's amazing because like you just said, I mean, here

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<v Speaker 4>they are. They're saying, God, you know our hearts because

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<v Speaker 4>if you think about it, in the Old Testament times,

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<v Speaker 4>when we are obedient to God and faithful to God

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<v Speaker 4>and have faith in God, he delivers them.

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<v Speaker 2>He fights the battles for them.

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<v Speaker 4>And they even said, we're not trusting in our own strength,

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<v Speaker 2>We trust in you.

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<v Speaker 4>And so it's almost like we're examining our hearts and

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<v Speaker 4>we didn't really do anything wrong. What's going on here?

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that relates to us in our own lives?

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<v Speaker 4>What did I do to deserve? What's going on?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me read you another note too. It says this

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<v Speaker 1>psalms were always sung to music, which is why you

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<v Speaker 1>number eight, which I wouldn't have said it either. But

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<v Speaker 1>the reason pause, Yeah, that's the reason why that's in

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<v Speaker 1>there is because that's a pause in the song. So,

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<v Speaker 1>believe it or not, this crazy wording in this chapter

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, Yeah, it's actually interesting if I could just say this,

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<v Speaker 4>looking back to the history and actually talking about the

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<v Speaker 4>very facts and how God has delivered them and the

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<v Speaker 4>forces by which he delivered them.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they almost pause, like.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, we're talking about this history, and then all of

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<v Speaker 4>a sudden, bang, we're in this helpless situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because that's what verse nine starts with. But now

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<v Speaker 3>but now yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so so yeah, you are the king, you are there,

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<v Speaker 1>You are a god. You command victories over Israel. We

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<v Speaker 1>our weapons. This other note said as and some forty

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<v Speaker 1>four one through three says you drove out the Pagan

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<v Speaker 1>nations refers to the conquest of Canaan, the promised land

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<v Speaker 1>described in the Book of Joshua, God gave us, who

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<v Speaker 1>gave the land to the Israelites. They were supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>to God. Israel was told not to settle the land

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<v Speaker 1>and to be a witness to the world to God's

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<v Speaker 1>power and love. Surrounded by enemies, the Psalms writer remembered

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<v Speaker 1>what God had done for his people and took heart

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<v Speaker 1>we can have the same confidence in God when we

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean, from.

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<v Speaker 1>Verse nine on to your point, it is definitely a

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<v Speaker 3>Hey Lord, wake up, Lord, don't reject us.

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<v Speaker 1>And we talked about this, I think yesterday because some

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<v Speaker 1>of the same discouragements happened in well, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if it was yesterday the day before in our podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>but one of the songs that we wrote read was

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<v Speaker 3>And so even though these are strong words, why has

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<v Speaker 3>God abandoned us? Forever? Has he rejected us? And all

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<v Speaker 1>Types of things? Uh, keep in mind that the God

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<v Speaker 1>has allowed the author to express all of these feelings.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet you know we're not condemned for it. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So we think God has gone? You know you know

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<v Speaker 1>we're teaching on Thomas. Okay, so not you, not you.

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<v Speaker 1>about you, buddy, But doubting Thomas, right, and you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>has it become so vibrant and prominent. So think about this.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you know the story of the Bible, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>en I'm doing some cross referencing here. But so Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>with the women and who else he else was in there.

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<v Speaker 1>But Jesus appears to the other ten disciples. They see him,

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<v Speaker 1>they interact with him, they talk with him, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they're absolutely convinced that Jesus has risen from the grave,

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<v Speaker 1>and not on that. But he appears in their room,

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<v Speaker 1>a locked room, and then it says it goes out

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<v Speaker 1>of its way to say Thomas was not there. And

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<v Speaker 1>then Thomas comes back. They all say, Jesus has risen

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to believe it till I see it, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is our theme.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe when I see it, And he says he

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<v Speaker 1>but he says something very specific.

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<v Speaker 3>He says, not only not only do I have see.

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<v Speaker 1>For myself, I have to personally touch his wounds and

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<v Speaker 1>his hands and his side. Right. And he was all

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<v Speaker 1>it says Jesus didn't appear to him until eight days later.

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<v Speaker 1>Eight days later, and then Jesus appears in the room.

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<v Speaker 1>And the first thing he says out loud, he said, Thomas,

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<v Speaker 1>come and touch the wounds in my hands and my side,

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<v Speaker 1>which means this, and Thomas's lowest point, when he was

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<v Speaker 1>show me a sign. I'm not going to believe it

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<v Speaker 1>until my prayers answered this way. I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>believe it until God shows up in such a miraculous way.

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<v Speaker 1>At our lowest point, we don't think that God's listening.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet Jesus responded to Thomas's direct doubts, and guess

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<v Speaker 1>what he didn't do. He didn't condemn him, he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>All he really.

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<v Speaker 1>Said is he said, blessed or you that you've seen

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<v Speaker 1>me and you believe, But blessed are those in the

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<v Speaker 1>future us who believe it and don't see.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So Jesus meets Thomas where he is, He meets him

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<v Speaker 1>in his doubts. He meets him and never condemns him.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's proof. So listen, you know what that means

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<v Speaker 1>mean that's a pretty serious accusation, right, do not reject

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<v Speaker 1>us forever? Why do you look the other way? Why

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<v Speaker 1>do you ignore our suffering? These are feelings that they

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<v Speaker 1>if God is even listening. And yet what we know

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<v Speaker 1>is every part about God is God. Nothing escapes him.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 3>God. God knows your fears, he knows your doubts, he

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<v Speaker 3>knows your discouragement right now, and so if you think

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<v Speaker 4>Like I don't have to prove myself to you. But

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<v Speaker 4>Then they get in this situation where you just feel helpless.

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<v Speaker 4>And I have felt helpless many times, and I don't

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<v Speaker 4>all I went through here just recently.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing I really love about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But let our listeners know, you went through a cancer school.

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<v Speaker 4>Nine days later, I ended up back in the emergency

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<v Speaker 4>And so therefore they came into the room, I remember,

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<v Speaker 2>But long story short, we went through all this. I

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<v Speaker 4>To do this, and we were just kind of talking

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<v Speaker 4>but I'll be okay. And I remember telling the Lord,

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<v Speaker 4>I said, Lord, really, is there another way can we

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<v Speaker 4>just do this another way, and I'll never forget this

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<v Speaker 4>as long as I live. He said, you know, Tom,

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<v Speaker 4>I felt like it was Jesus is speaking almost audibly

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<v Speaker 4>to me. He says, look, I know how you feel,

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<v Speaker 4>because there was a time in my life or I

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<v Speaker 4>went to my father and said, look, I don't really

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<v Speaker 4>want to do this. Is there any other way we

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<v Speaker 4>can do this? But I trust you? And I remember

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<v Speaker 4>telling the Lord I said, I trust you, and he

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<v Speaker 4>just basically told me, he said, hey, I've got this,

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<v Speaker 4>and your daddy's got this.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to be fine.

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<v Speaker 4>And I, honestly, God think I fell asleep right after her.

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<v Speaker 4>So what I'm saying is, we know the history. We

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<v Speaker 4>know where he's been in our lives. We've seen him

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<v Speaker 4>take care of us. We've seen him take care of

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<v Speaker 4>us and our finances and our marital relationships and our

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<v Speaker 4>children when maybe we're just just at odds, And then

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<v Speaker 4>all of a sudden, we find ourselves in that middle

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<v Speaker 4>ground where it's like, are you here, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, people are laughing.

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<v Speaker 4>At me because I stand for you, and people think

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<v Speaker 4>that oh you tied, you're incumberor whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And then all of a sudden, what do they do?

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<v Speaker 4>They turn and they still go back to him who

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<v Speaker 4>is their hope, and say, look, would you just rise

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<v Speaker 4>up and help us? Yeah, and get us where we

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<v Speaker 4>need to be. It's an amazing passage. But I can

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<v Speaker 4>really relate to it and it's really helped me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know the the other part, as you were

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<v Speaker 1>saying all that, you said, Hey, we've seen.

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<v Speaker 3>God work, We've seen God do this and do that,

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<v Speaker 3>and He's faithful.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is true, one hundred percent true, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>so we're supposed to trust God for our future uncertainties

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<v Speaker 1>based on God's past faithfulness. Yes, and who he is too,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, his characteristics and his attributes and who

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<v Speaker 1>we know him to be, and his desire and love

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<v Speaker 1>for us and all his promises and proclamations and everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, I do have to acknowledge,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to recognize the fact that there are people

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<v Speaker 1>who would say, yeah, I remember God's past history with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I went through a season in my life and guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't show up. He wasn't faithful, right, And we

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<v Speaker 1>think that we think that he wasn't faithful. The reality

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<v Speaker 1>is God's always with us. Right, there are definitely things

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<v Speaker 1>that come our way that our trials that we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>wish on our greatest enemy, and things that don't work out.

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<v Speaker 1>And we pray for things and we're like, God, take

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<v Speaker 1>this cup from me, and it does not go away,

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<v Speaker 1>and and uh, and and there are things that last

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<v Speaker 1>years and years and sometimes decades and sometimes a lifetime

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<v Speaker 1>and we and we do think, yeah, okay, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>why why did I get this hand?

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<v Speaker 3>Help to me?

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<v Speaker 1>Why did I get this lot in life? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm praying for a job and and uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and and and and I'm praying God will take care

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<v Speaker 1>of me. And and it's been two solid years and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't understand why I'm trying to be faithful and

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<v Speaker 1>God just won't give.

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<v Speaker 3>Me a secure job.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, or or I prayed for a child,

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<v Speaker 1>and we prayed and prayed and prayed, and we've had

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<v Speaker 1>five miscarriages and and God never showed up. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and then something else tragic happens or something like this. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, we definitely have to acknowledge the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that we can't always say that God answers our prayers

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<v Speaker 1>the way that we want them.

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<v Speaker 3>And I believe that we live in a broken and messed.

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<v Speaker 1>Up world, and a lot of times what we do

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<v Speaker 1>is we try to lay at the feet of God

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<v Speaker 1>that which should not be laid at the feet of God,

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<v Speaker 1>because we live in a broken, sinful world that has consequences,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's you know, God will one day defeat all evil,

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<v Speaker 1>but evil does exist and sorrow exists, so we cant

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledge that.

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<v Speaker 4>But He's not a vending machine where I picked that

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<v Speaker 4>certain thing and ask him this and he always answers.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what I've been asking the Lord.

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<v Speaker 4>How can I encourage other people yes that maybe their

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<v Speaker 4>prayer wasn't answer that way.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the things I think I've come.

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<v Speaker 4>To realize through these past few years is if I

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<v Speaker 4>want to live right, I need to believe right, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'll live out what I truly believe, not what I

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<v Speaker 4>just know. And I think it's a power of right believing.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think these people they knew God was sovereign

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<v Speaker 4>and majestic, but now it's God. You have mercy on me, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>well you have mercy on me. Don't give me what

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<v Speaker 4>I deserve. But I'm just trying to help other people

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<v Speaker 4>encourage them. Because I pray for my dad and he

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<v Speaker 4>passed away with cancer. I prayed for my best friend

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<v Speaker 4>Jimmy King, he passed away with cancer. So we don't

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<v Speaker 4>always get it. There's something in there that I'm saying. Lord,

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<v Speaker 4>I know we can help other people realize you can

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<v Speaker 4>be counted on, you can be counted. So the power

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<v Speaker 4>that right believing would be regardless of how I feel,

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<v Speaker 4>because that's kind of fickling fizzles away, right, sure, but

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<v Speaker 4>the true faith, trusting in Him is what gets us through.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, it really does.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. Hey, that's dude. I don't think we can

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<v Speaker 1>end any stronger than there. So that's great and that

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<v Speaker 1>is definitely our time. So what a great chapter. And

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you being here. And I look forward to being

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<v Speaker 1>in La City. Bible guys live. Yeah, twenty fourth, Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>and I on the twenty fourth, So mark it down

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll have you drive Judy's car and oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>then I'll name the car. Hey, maybe we can announce

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<v Speaker 1>it live.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll lie.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll do lie, okay that.

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<v Speaker 2>Anybody that's a clips, if anybody cares, that's Someboddy.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll have three people there yeah, okay, all right, way, well,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll see you tomorrow with a brand new guest, hopefully

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<v Speaker 3>on the babble Gush