WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:24.963 --> 00:00:26.583 Anke: Hello and welcome Tony. 00:00:26.763 --> 00:00:28.143 I'm delighted to have you here. 00:00:29.253 --> 00:00:29.913 Toni: Hi Anka. 00:00:29.913 --> 00:00:31.143 Thanks for having me. 00:00:32.043 --> 00:00:35.463 Anke: Well, I always ask, and I have to ask you as well, where in 00:00:35.463 --> 00:00:39.003 this lovely world are you based and what's your business with dogs? 00:00:39.333 --> 00:00:39.933 Toni: Sure. 00:00:39.933 --> 00:00:44.253 So I live in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in the United States. 00:00:44.703 --> 00:00:49.923 And um, I, my life with dogs is very long. 00:00:52.983 --> 00:00:58.863 Um, yeah, it's very long and I think we all can, we both can agree that our, our 00:00:58.983 --> 00:01:01.983 dogs kind of guide us throughout life. 00:01:01.983 --> 00:01:02.703 I feel like. 00:01:02.703 --> 00:01:03.933 So Cool. 00:01:03.963 --> 00:01:04.773 So yeah. 00:01:04.803 --> 00:01:12.933 So, um, but currently I have a podcast called Tony Unleashed, and it is about, 00:01:13.023 --> 00:01:18.363 um, natural remedies to common ailments. 00:01:18.723 --> 00:01:20.823 In pets, in dogs and cats. 00:01:20.823 --> 00:01:26.703 So I'm very holistically minded and, um, I feed my dogs raw food 00:01:26.763 --> 00:01:31.353 and, um, I really just try to spread that message as much as I can. 00:01:31.353 --> 00:01:36.243 So that's kind of what I'm, that's basically what I'm doing right now. 00:01:37.623 --> 00:01:38.073 Anke: I love that. 00:01:38.073 --> 00:01:38.658 I love that because I think. 00:01:39.168 --> 00:01:42.918 For, for some weird reason, there still needs to be quite 00:01:42.918 --> 00:01:44.148 a bit of education around that. 00:01:44.478 --> 00:01:44.748 Yeah. 00:01:44.838 --> 00:01:45.318 Topic there. 00:01:45.318 --> 00:01:45.798 Right. 00:01:45.948 --> 00:01:50.958 So I know when I started looking, when I started reading the labels was when my 00:01:50.958 --> 00:01:56.268 first dog just stumbled into my life and the kibble that I was, that the vet told 00:01:56.268 --> 00:02:00.948 me I needed, like I wasn't allowed, I was not to feed him anything else other 00:02:00.948 --> 00:02:02.838 than the expensive kibble they sold. 00:02:04.148 --> 00:02:08.858 You know, and he had skin issues and, you know, he kind of wasn't a good agent. 00:02:08.858 --> 00:02:10.388 Like something didn't add up. 00:02:10.388 --> 00:02:14.438 So, you know, that was what made me look, you know, and I came across the 00:02:14.438 --> 00:02:17.678 seaboard where somebody said, well actually tip number one, read the labels 00:02:18.398 --> 00:02:20.078 and you'll never feed that crap again. 00:02:20.318 --> 00:02:24.158 So that's kind of what, what made me look into the direction of, 00:02:24.488 --> 00:02:26.498 okay, kibble isn't the answer. 00:02:26.708 --> 00:02:27.008 You know? 00:02:27.008 --> 00:02:27.968 What was it for you? 00:02:28.848 --> 00:02:33.768 Toni: So literally 25 years ago, I was walking into a grooming shop, 00:02:33.768 --> 00:02:37.938 and as I walked into the grooming grooming shop, I witnessed the groomer 00:02:38.238 --> 00:02:40.818 handing her dogs raw chicken legs. 00:02:41.418 --> 00:02:44.058 And I am not a very shy person. 00:02:44.058 --> 00:02:45.498 And I said, what are you doing? 00:02:45.498 --> 00:02:49.998 You cannot give your dogs raw chicken, let alone chicken bones. 00:02:49.998 --> 00:02:51.228 Those are the legs. 00:02:51.228 --> 00:02:52.668 You're gonna kill your dogs. 00:02:52.948 --> 00:02:54.688 And she said, no, I'm not. 00:02:54.688 --> 00:02:56.608 She said, I feed raw food. 00:02:56.878 --> 00:03:01.078 This is how they, this is biologically appropriate to them. 00:03:01.078 --> 00:03:03.268 This is how they would naturally eat in the wild. 00:03:03.268 --> 00:03:10.048 Kibble is manmade and highly processed, and literally a light bulb went on in 00:03:10.048 --> 00:03:15.418 my head and we talked for a while, and then she recommended a couple of books. 00:03:15.723 --> 00:03:18.063 And this was 25 years ago. 00:03:18.063 --> 00:03:22.773 So I went straight to the bookstore and I, I bought the books. 00:03:22.773 --> 00:03:24.033 And read the books. 00:03:24.093 --> 00:03:27.663 And then my dog at the time, her name was Meg. 00:03:28.563 --> 00:03:33.483 She was eating Purina one, and that's what the shelter was 00:03:33.483 --> 00:03:34.743 feeding when I adopted her. 00:03:34.743 --> 00:03:40.203 So I just kept on feeding her Purina one, and as soon as I read 00:03:40.203 --> 00:03:42.633 those books, one of which is Dr. 00:03:42.633 --> 00:03:43.743 Ian Billinghurst. 00:03:44.293 --> 00:03:45.433 Give your dog a bone. 00:03:45.433 --> 00:03:50.263 It's a fantastic book that I highly recommend, but, um, I literally cold 00:03:50.263 --> 00:03:57.433 turkeyed her from Purina one to Raw Food the next day and we never looked back. 00:03:57.463 --> 00:04:02.923 And she, the, the crazy thing is Anka is she had zero digestive upset from 00:04:02.923 --> 00:04:05.473 going cold Turkey from kibble to raw. 00:04:06.103 --> 00:04:11.263 So, um, and then she didn't really have any issues like health issues. 00:04:11.263 --> 00:04:13.158 Fortunately, she was a pretty healthy dog. 00:04:13.968 --> 00:04:15.978 But she still changed. 00:04:16.008 --> 00:04:20.388 Like her coat became softer and thicker and fuller. 00:04:20.658 --> 00:04:25.728 Her eyes were brighter, her teeth were cleaner, her breath was fresher. 00:04:25.938 --> 00:04:29.448 She poops less, she drinks less water. 00:04:29.448 --> 00:04:35.508 She, I mean, there were just so many changes in her that it was just, uh. 00:04:36.153 --> 00:04:38.133 It, it just creates a different animal. 00:04:38.133 --> 00:04:41.733 So, um, so that was Meg. 00:04:41.733 --> 00:04:46.773 And the weird thing was too, where I was living at the time with Meg, there 00:04:46.773 --> 00:04:48.718 was a small little pet food store. 00:04:50.208 --> 00:04:51.708 Really close to my house. 00:04:51.708 --> 00:04:56.028 So when I would walk, Meg, uh, we'd stop in, but they didn't carry raw food. 00:04:56.058 --> 00:05:00.798 They carried natural foods like grain-free kibble and better selections. 00:05:01.308 --> 00:05:06.288 So, but I'd stop in and they'd give her a treat and I'd buy some treats and things, 00:05:06.288 --> 00:05:08.388 and you know how, you know how that goes. 00:05:08.388 --> 00:05:10.278 And you just get to know each other. 00:05:10.278 --> 00:05:12.648 It becomes like a, you know, like a family almost. 00:05:13.608 --> 00:05:14.988 So, um. 00:05:15.753 --> 00:05:21.333 So the owners one day said to me, I'm, we're thinking about moving to 00:05:21.333 --> 00:05:23.643 Florida and we wanna sell the business. 00:05:24.933 --> 00:05:25.533 Yeah. 00:05:25.563 --> 00:05:27.903 So, yeah. 00:05:28.353 --> 00:05:35.133 So, um, so prior to, and I was pet sitting at the time, so I had my, I'D had my own 00:05:35.133 --> 00:05:38.643 pet sitting business for about eight years and I was getting to the end of that. 00:05:38.643 --> 00:05:42.723 I was really burning myself out and prior to PET sitting, I have an 00:05:42.723 --> 00:05:44.823 extensive retail management background. 00:05:46.503 --> 00:05:49.173 Yeah, that's made in heaven, right? 00:05:49.593 --> 00:05:58.323 So, um, so that's kind of, so I bought the store, um, and that was one location 00:05:58.323 --> 00:06:00.153 that was a thousand square feet. 00:06:00.363 --> 00:06:02.853 I moved it six months after I bought it. 00:06:02.853 --> 00:06:07.533 I doubled my square footage, which allowed me to bring my first freezer in. 00:06:08.628 --> 00:06:12.288 And then, so that was in 2008. 00:06:12.288 --> 00:06:19.608 And then 2011 I opened a second location, um, because I had people coming from all, 00:06:19.608 --> 00:06:24.948 like very far distances because I, I mean, I had a lot big selection of raw food. 00:06:26.043 --> 00:06:33.993 So then, um, I opened a third location in 2019 and then a fourth location in 2022. 00:06:34.833 --> 00:06:41.853 So, um, I really built and grew the raw food market, um, and I. 00:06:43.008 --> 00:06:46.908 You know, that really has helped a lot of pets in the area. 00:06:46.908 --> 00:06:49.638 Helped a, a lot of education in the area. 00:06:50.148 --> 00:06:56.088 And then, um, in like 2021, I'm like, I feel like this message needs to go further 00:06:56.088 --> 00:07:01.548 than just Pittsburgh and I, and that's why that's, that's how the podcast came to be. 00:07:02.063 --> 00:07:02.283 Anke: Wow. 00:07:02.478 --> 00:07:02.808 Wow. 00:07:02.813 --> 00:07:03.163 I love that. 00:07:03.348 --> 00:07:03.768 I love that. 00:07:04.218 --> 00:07:07.098 I mean, you know, it, it makes so much sense to me. 00:07:07.188 --> 00:07:09.798 You know, and it's interesting that you saw that, you 00:07:09.798 --> 00:07:11.718 mentioned the, the cold Turkey. 00:07:11.718 --> 00:07:16.998 I actually had somebody on the show not long ago, and she was basically saying, 00:07:17.148 --> 00:07:18.768 well, yeah, why wouldn't you go cold? 00:07:18.768 --> 00:07:21.708 Like, you know, if you like the moment, it's almost like if you. 00:07:23.283 --> 00:07:25.143 Nothing but hamburgers all your life. 00:07:25.143 --> 00:07:28.623 And all of a sudden you realize that that's actually not very good for you. 00:07:28.623 --> 00:07:31.353 You're gonna start eating better food, but you're not gonna kind 00:07:31.353 --> 00:07:33.693 of gently ease in for a month. 00:07:33.963 --> 00:07:35.133 You know, like, right. 00:07:35.373 --> 00:07:35.523 You know? 00:07:35.608 --> 00:07:40.083 So like, yeah, no, you're gonna eat better food and your body's gonna be grateful. 00:07:40.323 --> 00:07:40.593 You know? 00:07:40.598 --> 00:07:43.833 It's really, because I think it's one of those, um. 00:07:45.828 --> 00:07:49.308 This idea that people always have kib, then you kind of 00:07:49.308 --> 00:07:50.448 have to kind of transition. 00:07:51.558 --> 00:07:55.578 Is that, is would, in any case, would be situations when. 00:07:57.258 --> 00:07:57.588 You 00:07:57.588 --> 00:08:00.048 Toni: do have to transition from kibble to kibble. 00:08:00.408 --> 00:08:04.608 But the crazy thing is when you are a raw feeder, you do not 00:08:04.608 --> 00:08:06.588 have to transition with raw food. 00:08:06.588 --> 00:08:12.918 So my dogs eat different brands, different proteins from morning to night even, 00:08:13.068 --> 00:08:15.588 and they have no issues whatsoever. 00:08:16.518 --> 00:08:19.128 So I feel like that speaks volumes. 00:08:19.428 --> 00:08:19.578 Anke: Yeah. 00:08:19.578 --> 00:08:20.003 You know what I mean? 00:08:21.078 --> 00:08:22.548 So what do you think? 00:08:22.698 --> 00:08:25.998 Like what do you think, uh, why, why are you sort of KIPP still hanging in there? 00:08:26.028 --> 00:08:30.078 I, I get the sense, and I don't know, like it's my personal perception that 00:08:30.078 --> 00:08:34.698 more people become aware of, you know, Hey, this isn't the best thing to feed, 00:08:34.968 --> 00:08:39.738 you know, but it, it's still the common thing, like dog food is a, is on a 00:08:39.738 --> 00:08:41.478 shelf in a supermarket kind of thing. 00:08:41.628 --> 00:08:45.108 And if you're lucky, it's, uh, it's a more expensive kibble at the vets. 00:08:45.108 --> 00:08:47.658 But, so this idea of there's still this like. 00:08:48.933 --> 00:08:50.013 Is this a good idea? 00:08:50.283 --> 00:08:51.993 You know, that's even still a question, right? 00:08:51.993 --> 00:08:53.733 So what, what's your theory on that? 00:08:54.573 --> 00:08:57.333 Toni: So my theory on that's, that's a great question. 00:08:57.363 --> 00:09:01.683 Um, my theory on that is as much as I want kibble to completely go 00:09:01.683 --> 00:09:04.023 away, I think it's an unrealistic, I. 00:09:04.743 --> 00:09:13.533 Idea because of mostly cost and marketing, we and the veterinary 00:09:13.533 --> 00:09:18.453 industry, the veterinary industry really pushes, pushes, pushes the kibble. 00:09:18.453 --> 00:09:22.948 And even not just even their prescription based kibble, they really push it 00:09:23.193 --> 00:09:27.873 because, you know, their, their phrase is, well, it's been scientifically tested. 00:09:28.458 --> 00:09:30.798 We've, we've got the data to back it. 00:09:30.828 --> 00:09:34.638 Well, the data is from the companies that make it, or the pharmaceutical 00:09:34.638 --> 00:09:36.528 companies that own the kibble. 00:09:36.528 --> 00:09:40.008 Companies that own the vets that own. 00:09:40.038 --> 00:09:43.548 So it's just this convoluted message. 00:09:43.548 --> 00:09:44.118 Right? 00:09:44.898 --> 00:09:44.988 Yeah. 00:09:44.988 --> 00:09:48.408 So, and then from a cost perspective, I mean, it is more 00:09:48.408 --> 00:09:49.908 expensive to feed raw food. 00:09:51.588 --> 00:09:56.628 Anke: True, but I, I must say, I've always had a says. 00:10:01.368 --> 00:10:06.138 It's been literally almost like to the, the week, 20 years since 00:10:06.138 --> 00:10:07.818 my first dog came into my life. 00:10:08.178 --> 00:10:14.328 And I can honestly say what I spent more on, on food I safe in bed costs. 00:10:14.418 --> 00:10:15.523 Toni: Yes, I 100%. 00:10:15.723 --> 00:10:15.918 'cause I 00:10:15.918 --> 00:10:18.888 Anke: literally, like, when I look at the kind of health issues that my 00:10:18.888 --> 00:10:23.808 dogs have is like nothing, you know, to the kind of health issues that 00:10:23.808 --> 00:10:27.138 dogs have, who I know are basically. 00:10:27.798 --> 00:10:28.818 Get kibble and stuff. 00:10:29.028 --> 00:10:34.248 So I, I don't really think that kibble is more cost effective if you really take 00:10:34.248 --> 00:10:38.448 everything into account in the moment, it's cheaper and maybe convenience. 00:10:38.448 --> 00:10:43.338 But then you were saying freezer, so you know, like, 'cause maybe not, so not 00:10:43.338 --> 00:10:47.323 everybody, not everybody wants to like chop the head off a chicken every day. 00:10:47.358 --> 00:10:50.483 You know, like it's, and not everybody's close to a 00:10:50.483 --> 00:10:50.843 Toni: butcher. 00:10:52.143 --> 00:10:55.503 Because going to a butcher that is very cost effective. 00:10:55.503 --> 00:10:55.623 Yeah. 00:10:55.623 --> 00:11:00.273 When you go straight to the source and get some necks and body parts 00:11:00.273 --> 00:11:03.633 and you know, that sort of thing, then it definitely can be effective. 00:11:03.993 --> 00:11:04.083 Yeah. 00:11:04.113 --> 00:11:07.263 And yes, you're a thousand percent right, you spend less money at the vet. 00:11:08.213 --> 00:11:12.143 Anke: So how do you kind of solve the convenience or, you know, 00:11:12.143 --> 00:11:14.093 address the convenience concern? 00:11:14.453 --> 00:11:18.113 I mean, is there a way, you know, when you say like, in the freezer, can, you 00:11:18.113 --> 00:11:21.533 know, if you kind of, I mean, I have a freezer here, literally it's for the dogs. 00:11:21.623 --> 00:11:22.853 It's for the dogs, right? 00:11:22.853 --> 00:11:22.913 Yeah. 00:11:23.663 --> 00:11:23.723 Toni: Yeah. 00:11:23.723 --> 00:11:28.438 It, I don't think it's, it's not more complicated to feed raw food, especially. 00:11:29.283 --> 00:11:34.473 If you can buy a brand that is thaw and serve like they make, they 00:11:34.473 --> 00:11:36.423 make them in eight ounce patties. 00:11:36.693 --> 00:11:39.243 They make them in two ounce little meatballs. 00:11:39.243 --> 00:11:41.223 They make them them in little bites. 00:11:41.223 --> 00:11:42.873 They make it e, it's easy. 00:11:43.053 --> 00:11:48.783 So if you do not want to go to a butcher and you know, do the body 00:11:48.783 --> 00:11:54.093 part route or make your own grind, you can go to a local, most likely 00:11:54.093 --> 00:11:58.083 a locally owned pet food store and get formulas that are already. 00:11:59.193 --> 00:12:00.153 Ready to go. 00:12:00.693 --> 00:12:01.143 Yeah. 00:12:01.473 --> 00:12:02.163 Anke: I mean, that's the thing. 00:12:02.163 --> 00:12:04.683 It's almost like there's, I can't even see a reason why 00:12:04.683 --> 00:12:06.318 somebody would still, you know. 00:12:07.983 --> 00:12:08.343 I don't know. 00:12:08.343 --> 00:12:11.313 There's, there's no, there's, I can't see any benefit because 00:12:11.313 --> 00:12:12.243 the stuff's like imminent. 00:12:12.423 --> 00:12:15.753 Like my dogs even didn't even, like, I remember Leo, I mean the 00:12:15.753 --> 00:12:18.213 other Don, like the last, the big ones nowadays she doesn't, I don't 00:12:18.213 --> 00:12:19.443 think she even like the last one. 00:12:19.743 --> 00:12:20.973 She's like almost three. 00:12:20.973 --> 00:12:22.623 I don't think she's ever tried it. 00:12:22.683 --> 00:12:24.933 Like I don't think she knows what it is, you know? 00:12:24.933 --> 00:12:25.413 That's awesome. 00:12:25.533 --> 00:12:28.083 But, um, you know, like Leo. 00:12:28.623 --> 00:12:30.123 I know was a picky eater. 00:12:30.123 --> 00:12:33.723 He wasn't a good eater, and I constantly have to put that bowl in front of his 00:12:33.723 --> 00:12:35.343 face to try and encourage him to eat. 00:12:35.703 --> 00:12:39.633 You know, the moment he ate real food, he gobbled it up and, and 00:12:39.633 --> 00:12:41.313 so I'd have to kind of, you know. 00:12:41.913 --> 00:12:42.153 Yeah. 00:12:42.153 --> 00:12:43.893 But also they, they don't get overweight. 00:12:44.733 --> 00:12:46.503 Toni: They don't get overweight because they, 00:12:46.503 --> 00:12:50.609 Anke: they do actually eat, like, you know, well, I don't know a lot or not a 00:12:50.609 --> 00:12:54.813 lot, whatever, but, but they don't get overweight even when they age, you know? 00:12:55.293 --> 00:13:00.093 Toni: Because you don't have to have that starch, that is the binder and kibble, so 00:13:00.093 --> 00:13:06.123 that starch turns to sugar in the body, and that's what makes them get fats. 00:13:06.513 --> 00:13:11.043 So yeah, my dogs have always been lean and mean. 00:13:11.043 --> 00:13:15.933 And I usually, I mean, usually people say to me, oh, isn't your 00:13:15.933 --> 00:13:17.913 dog a little on the thin side? 00:13:18.303 --> 00:13:20.913 And I'm like, well, actually not. 00:13:22.263 --> 00:13:22.803 You know? 00:13:22.893 --> 00:13:22.953 Yeah. 00:13:23.013 --> 00:13:28.953 We just, I think we have a distorted view of how big our dogs should be. 00:13:29.583 --> 00:13:29.673 Yeah. 00:13:29.703 --> 00:13:33.153 Um, and they even tell us, you shouldn't see their ribs. 00:13:33.153 --> 00:13:34.953 You should only feel their ribs. 00:13:35.223 --> 00:13:38.433 Well, I think if you can see the ribs a little bit, it's okay. 00:13:38.553 --> 00:13:39.243 You know what I mean? 00:13:39.243 --> 00:13:41.313 Like my dog, I have a great Dane. 00:13:41.313 --> 00:13:42.153 I have two dogs right now. 00:13:42.153 --> 00:13:43.503 I have a great Dane, Layla. 00:13:44.193 --> 00:13:48.963 And you can see her muscles like you, like. 00:13:48.963 --> 00:13:51.153 She is gorgeous. 00:13:51.213 --> 00:13:53.648 Absolutely, and you can see her too, but she. 00:13:55.728 --> 00:13:58.598 Anke: But I think it also depends on the breed, you know, like you can have a 00:13:58.598 --> 00:14:02.978 Greyhound and I think you should probably see some ribs because it's not the poor 00:14:02.978 --> 00:14:04.688 thing's probably too fat, you know? 00:14:04.688 --> 00:14:07.688 Whereas like a, a chunky Labrador, like, you know, whatever with 00:14:07.688 --> 00:14:08.773 a, or if they have longer. 00:14:09.118 --> 00:14:11.488 Coat more fluffy. 00:14:11.668 --> 00:14:12.958 It's probably harder to see. 00:14:12.958 --> 00:14:15.928 You would wanna starve them to the point that you can see the ribs, right? 00:14:15.928 --> 00:14:16.018 Yes. 00:14:16.378 --> 00:14:19.318 But I think there's also common sense and comes in play, right? 00:14:19.318 --> 00:14:22.438 So you wouldn't wanna kind of just like, yeah, yeah. 00:14:22.438 --> 00:14:25.288 Go by that, go by that visual, you know? 00:14:25.888 --> 00:14:26.278 Yeah. 00:14:26.638 --> 00:14:26.998 Yeah. 00:14:27.448 --> 00:14:28.978 Toni: Unfortunately, sense. 00:14:28.978 --> 00:14:32.998 I think marketing has pushed common sense out of a lot of people's heads. 00:14:33.353 --> 00:14:36.473 Anke: Yeah, I mean, I mean you were mentioning sort of brands. 00:14:36.473 --> 00:14:39.863 Are there some specific ones that you would, other than your own? 00:14:40.163 --> 00:14:42.533 You know, like, is there, if somebody wants to start, I'm like, okay, I 00:14:42.533 --> 00:14:44.753 don't have, I can't go to Tony's shops. 00:14:44.753 --> 00:14:46.823 Like, where, where should I start? 00:14:46.823 --> 00:14:49.583 Like what's a, what's a good place to start if somebody 00:14:49.583 --> 00:14:50.663 goes, well, let me try this. 00:14:51.143 --> 00:14:51.503 Toni: Yeah. 00:14:51.593 --> 00:14:57.893 So depending on what's available and where your, where all your listeners are, um, 00:14:57.923 --> 00:15:00.473 solutions pet food is one of my favorites. 00:15:01.208 --> 00:15:06.248 Um, they're, um, real, they don't even freeze in plastic. 00:15:06.248 --> 00:15:09.848 That's how, you know extreme. 00:15:09.848 --> 00:15:12.068 They are as far as it being pure. 00:15:12.428 --> 00:15:16.808 So they only use ra, they wrap it in butcher paper and then pack it in 00:15:16.808 --> 00:15:20.348 cardboard boxes because they don't want the dioxins from a plastic 00:15:20.348 --> 00:15:21.968 to transfer into the raw food. 00:15:22.568 --> 00:15:23.048 Right. 00:15:23.828 --> 00:15:27.218 So, um, solutions pet food is one of my favorite. 00:15:27.518 --> 00:15:30.428 Um, raw dynamic is a great brand. 00:15:30.488 --> 00:15:37.028 Raw dynamic is, I feel like, has grown greatly because theirs is in little cubes. 00:15:37.328 --> 00:15:43.778 So I think from a, from a visual perspective, like a customer, a person can 00:15:43.778 --> 00:15:47.648 still see themselves scooping that just like we're so used to scooping kibble. 00:15:50.423 --> 00:15:51.298 I, I, I think it's, 00:15:51.688 --> 00:15:53.578 Anke: it's like hamburgers, right? 00:15:54.863 --> 00:15:55.013 It's, you 00:15:57.208 --> 00:15:58.943 Toni: feel like you're, you know. 00:15:59.888 --> 00:16:00.188 That's fine. 00:16:00.188 --> 00:16:00.548 Making that. 00:16:00.998 --> 00:16:01.508 Yeah. 00:16:01.568 --> 00:16:02.258 I don't know. 00:16:02.318 --> 00:16:06.518 So, um, rod, any, there are quite a few good brands. 00:16:06.548 --> 00:16:09.818 Um, what's another good one? 00:16:09.848 --> 00:16:16.748 OC Raw, um, instinct is good brand, which is more available at like, pets Butter. 00:16:16.748 --> 00:16:20.918 Petco selling Chewy's is now available at PetSmart and Petco. 00:16:21.488 --> 00:16:26.678 Um, so, and that's all, you know, a, a good selection of 00:16:26.708 --> 00:16:28.478 what's available in the us. 00:16:30.398 --> 00:16:33.278 Anke: It does seem to me like there's more and more, uh, choice. 00:16:34.633 --> 00:16:34.983 Right. 00:16:35.048 --> 00:16:39.338 You know when, yeah, when I first started to get layer off, off cable, 00:16:39.338 --> 00:16:43.148 like literally the Moroccan butcher down the road was literally the only 00:16:43.148 --> 00:16:44.828 place you could get stuff, you know? 00:16:44.828 --> 00:16:48.158 So there was nothing, you would look and there would be like cans, and it's like, 00:16:48.188 --> 00:16:50.588 oh, you know, this is the luxury band. 00:16:50.588 --> 00:16:55.148 It had like 30% of meat byproducts rather than four. 00:16:55.448 --> 00:16:55.928 You know? 00:16:56.108 --> 00:16:57.308 So that kind of stuff. 00:16:57.308 --> 00:16:58.808 And it's just like, yeah. 00:17:01.433 --> 00:17:05.243 It just reminds me there was, uh, a company, a UK company, I think it was, 00:17:05.453 --> 00:17:07.613 they advertised quite heavily for a while. 00:17:07.613 --> 00:17:10.943 I haven't seen it in a while, and they were selling something like. 00:17:11.798 --> 00:17:14.588 They would basically dry freeze food. 00:17:14.708 --> 00:17:15.488 Toni: Oh, free. 00:17:15.488 --> 00:17:15.998 Yes. 00:17:16.208 --> 00:17:16.838 You know, and they 00:17:16.838 --> 00:17:19.688 Anke: basically said, well, this way it keeps the nutrients and yada yada. 00:17:19.688 --> 00:17:23.228 And so there was some of the, they had some sort of supplements 00:17:23.228 --> 00:17:25.868 that kind of like herbal stuff that you couldn't put in front of. 00:17:25.868 --> 00:17:26.288 I tried. 00:17:26.288 --> 00:17:28.358 That ones didn't really, I don't know. 00:17:28.508 --> 00:17:30.998 Wasn't nobody, nobody got upset stomach or anything. 00:17:30.998 --> 00:17:33.008 But I also didn't feel like there was nothing where I. 00:17:34.853 --> 00:17:38.513 See a massive difference, but there was also no problem to fix, so Fair enough. 00:17:38.513 --> 00:17:42.113 You know, but they basically, their whole philosophy was to, to say that 00:17:42.113 --> 00:17:46.763 dry freezing process somehow keeps the nutrients and you just basically, because 00:17:46.763 --> 00:17:50.243 that really solved the convenience, that addressed the convenience bit, 00:17:50.273 --> 00:17:55.103 because it was basically like a, like, like dry, dry it, uh, parley or 00:17:55.103 --> 00:17:56.603 something, you know, that kind of stuff. 00:17:56.603 --> 00:18:00.803 And you just put water on it and then, you know, so what's your take on that? 00:18:01.313 --> 00:18:04.193 Toni: So freeze dried is very high quality. 00:18:04.193 --> 00:18:06.323 It's second best to raw food. 00:18:06.353 --> 00:18:11.483 So they literally, those companies are taking their exact raw food formula and 00:18:11.483 --> 00:18:16.373 putting it in, putting it through a freeze drying process and making it shelf stable. 00:18:16.613 --> 00:18:20.903 No different than, you know, things you can go camping with or go to, you 00:18:20.903 --> 00:18:23.423 know, the military goes to war with. 00:18:23.428 --> 00:18:24.028 As far as. 00:18:24.708 --> 00:18:25.608 Something to eat. 00:18:25.668 --> 00:18:27.258 It's still very high quality. 00:18:27.528 --> 00:18:32.658 It is one of the fastest growing categories, and the interesting thing 00:18:32.658 --> 00:18:35.448 is it is the most expensive category. 00:18:36.038 --> 00:18:38.138 Anke: Mm, isn't that wild? 00:18:38.138 --> 00:18:38.228 Yeah. 00:18:38.318 --> 00:18:39.848 But it is interesting, right? 00:18:39.848 --> 00:18:44.108 Because it feels to me it's like, well, you know, I don't, I'm not on 00:18:44.108 --> 00:18:45.758 trips all day every day, you know? 00:18:45.758 --> 00:18:51.398 So if I can norm, like feed my normal more inconvenient, messy, or you know, 00:18:51.398 --> 00:18:55.808 like, and then if I do go somewhere where I know I might not have a kitchen or I 00:18:55.808 --> 00:19:00.098 can't mess around with the chicken legs basically, you know, then that might be 00:19:00.098 --> 00:19:04.088 an alternative that will kind of tie me over when I'm not in my own own space. 00:19:04.658 --> 00:19:05.108 Toni: Totally. 00:19:05.138 --> 00:19:09.428 You can even get freeze dried goat milk if you like to, if you do goat smoke. 00:19:09.818 --> 00:19:15.338 Um, shepherd Boy Farms is the brand for freeze dried goat milk, but I 00:19:15.338 --> 00:19:20.258 always have a bag of freeze dried in my cupboard in case I forget to thaw a meal. 00:19:20.258 --> 00:19:20.288 I. 00:19:20.678 --> 00:19:23.978 Or at, like you said, it's perfect for traveling. 00:19:24.338 --> 00:19:29.978 Um, but to, to, I don't, I, I mean people can do whatever they want, but I don't re 00:19:30.043 --> 00:19:36.128 re recommend using it as your day in and day out meal because it's so expensive. 00:19:36.698 --> 00:19:39.758 If you look at the feeding calculations, it's so expensive. 00:19:39.758 --> 00:19:41.018 It's cheaper to feed raw. 00:19:42.698 --> 00:19:43.118 Anke: Yeah. 00:19:43.238 --> 00:19:45.428 I mean that's, and I think I, you know, that's the thing. 00:19:45.428 --> 00:19:47.408 It's like you pay for the convenience. 00:19:48.488 --> 00:19:51.008 And so yeah, if you Well, fair enough. 00:19:51.008 --> 00:19:51.518 Fair enough. 00:19:51.578 --> 00:19:51.878 Yeah. 00:19:51.878 --> 00:19:52.298 Right. 00:19:52.298 --> 00:19:52.748 So. 00:19:54.323 --> 00:19:55.313 Find out more. 00:19:55.313 --> 00:19:57.323 Where can people listen to the podcast? 00:19:57.323 --> 00:19:59.903 Obviously we're gonna pop the links in the, in the show notes of course. 00:20:00.323 --> 00:20:01.133 But um, yes. 00:20:01.313 --> 00:20:04.373 Toni: So my website is tony unleashed.com 00:20:04.373 --> 00:20:05.813 and it's Tony with an I. 00:20:06.323 --> 00:20:10.913 My Instagram is Tony dot Unleashed and I'm on Facebook. 00:20:11.213 --> 00:20:14.303 Um, and TikTok, and that's just Tony Unleashed. 00:20:14.363 --> 00:20:15.023 So awesome. 00:20:15.353 --> 00:20:15.623 Such a 00:20:15.623 --> 00:20:16.133 Anke: cool name. 00:20:17.123 --> 00:20:17.723 Toni: Thanks. 00:20:17.963 --> 00:20:18.413 Thanks. 00:20:18.413 --> 00:20:23.213 I was unleashed from retail 'cause I sold three out of my four stores, so 00:20:23.243 --> 00:20:24.953 that's where the unleashed kind of. 00:20:25.163 --> 00:20:26.813 Anke: Oh, that's interesting. 00:20:26.813 --> 00:20:29.633 See, I'm thinking of leash and dog leash kind of thing, right? 00:20:29.753 --> 00:20:29.993 Yeah. 00:20:30.458 --> 00:20:32.508 It's a, it's aray on it, like flaring words. 00:20:32.738 --> 00:20:32.828 Yes. 00:20:33.578 --> 00:20:34.238 Very cool. 00:20:34.298 --> 00:20:34.868 Very cool. 00:20:35.498 --> 00:20:36.548 Well, thank you so much. 00:20:36.548 --> 00:20:36.878 Thank you. 00:20:36.878 --> 00:20:40.568 I think this is a, this is a, it's a message that I sort of really kind 00:20:40.568 --> 00:20:44.528 of wanna do anything I can to help get out because I've seen the big 00:20:44.528 --> 00:20:49.658 difference in, in Lejo, I've seen how the other dogs thrive and uh, so 00:20:49.658 --> 00:20:51.638 it's definitely, definitely worth it. 00:20:51.638 --> 00:20:54.518 So thank you so much for coming and, and sharing. 00:20:54.938 --> 00:20:55.628 Toni: You're welcome. 00:20:55.628 --> 00:20:56.708 Thanks for having me. 00:20:57.338 --> 00:20:57.818 Anke: Thank you. 00:20:59.149 --> 00:21:00.379 Thanks so much for listening. 00:21:00.899 --> 00:21:05.199 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe, and leave a review so 00:21:05.299 --> 00:21:07.079 other dog lovers can find the show. 00:21:07.869 --> 00:21:11.359 If you haven't already, head over to soul touched by dogs. 00:21:11.789 --> 00:21:17.359 com and sign up for weekly doggy cuteness tips, recommendations, and personal 00:21:17.459 --> 00:21:19.829 stories to warm your dog loving heart. 00:21:19.829 --> 00:21:23.559 And if you know a pawsome human you think I should interview, 00:21:23.979 --> 00:21:25.119 I'd love an introduction. 00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:27.429 Email me at Anke. 00:21:27.699 --> 00:21:31.934 That's A N k E at Soul touched by dogs.com.