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are reading one of the most famous
passages in the Book of Numbers, and

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it is Numbers thirteen where the spies
go in and they check out the promise

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life. It's going to be super
cool. It is. So First of

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all, we have a social media
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one minute? Yeah? Well,
I don't know. There's some really nice

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things that people have been minutes minutes
Okay, So the first one, Lynn

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B says, thank you for such
a great episode, whatever episode that was.

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It really is a great way to
start the week with a reminder how

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much God has done for us and
still continues to do for us. It

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is true. That's awesome. And
thank you Lynn for writting in because that's

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right. Well, this is awesome. By the way, send your comments

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in because we love hearing this stuff. It gives us the drive to keep

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going absolutely. And then the next
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D says so happy that we are
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countries, but we are the most
blessed to have Jeff and Chris as our

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pastors. Wow. Wow, that's
a statement. Great job great job on

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not only this podcast that you are
doing every day, but on being great

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pastors and serving here at Age Church. They attend our church. So thank

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you, Charmon. That is unbelievable. Thank you. That is great,

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too, great comment. It's almost
a little embarrassing, it is. Thank

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you. And then Karen h says, you guys are so funny. I

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love it. Never thought learning the
Bible would be so much fun. You

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guys make it easy to understand.
Bless you both. Oh, I would

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say very enough. Some of us
on the podcast are funny, Thank you,

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Jack. They are so kind of
you. Others are just being carried

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over. No what just when I
think you don't have it in you,

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you surprise me all the time.
Just give you massive compliments. That's how

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you are here. Don't be hard
on yourself. I think you're kind of

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funny, too funny looking funny.
But you know what that other phrase though,

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never thought learning the biot would be
so much fun, you guys make

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it easy to understand that phrase.
You guys make it easy to understand.

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I've always felt like family ministries in
particular talking you know, all these years

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as we would hire new family ministries
people, I would say, I think

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one of your number one jobs is
to make sure that our kids and our

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young people don't leave going that's the
most boring thing I've ever heard. How

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do we take the most exciting story
in all of the annals of human history,

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the most amazing story. God invaded
this planet because he loved us,

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and he rescued us from the dragon, and he sacrificed himself for us.

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How do we take this the most
amazing story ever and bore people put them

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to sleep with it? Right?
And not only actually a lot of people

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are good at it. I know, I've I've worked for I heard a

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lot of news in my day,
buddy, But how do you do it?

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My friend Dave Wilson always says,
uh uh. He says, when

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somebody's falling asleep in church, wake
up the preacher. Yeah, that's true,

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that's what he says. That's true. Yeah. So, uh,

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you know, I think that's one
of our jobs is this is an incredible

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story. We have to get out
of the way of it a lot of

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times. Now we can, you
know, to make it understandable. If

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we can shed a little bit of
light, if we can turn some light

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on, and you know, expose
the texts and say, hey, this

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is this is what it means.
That helps a little bit. But the

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other part of it for us too
is we we horse around a lot,

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but this is pretty much what we
do. So if we don't get the

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if we don't get the horse around
a little bit together doing this kind of

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stuff, anything, that's right.
Uh. But but more than that,

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I think that my the reason why
I'm a pastor is because I sat underneath

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a pastor who made the Bible understandable
and relevant and uh, and I was

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I was continually u flabbergasted that he
could take a passage that at first glance

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was like, what does that mean? And then all of a sudden I

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could walk away and go, oh, my goodness, it means this one

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thing or these three things or whatever
it was. And I was like wow.

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And it was something that I remembered, something that I understood, and

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something that was relevant in my life
today. It was so practical and applicable

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and beneficial. And I thought to
myself, man, that is amazing.

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And and and by the way,
I compared that to my growing up experiences.

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So I was a teenager at that
time, but growing up I was

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just like, well, you know, geez, the Bible is the most

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difficult thing and most boring and irrelevant
thing in the world. And then all

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of a sudden you compare it,
you know, this juxtaposed position here,

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and I'm just like, this is
this is how it should always be.

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Right. Yeah, so hey,
we take that as a great compliment.

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Yeah, for sure from Karen.
So thank you so much. Karen.

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All right, well today we're jumping
in. He never thirteen. We just

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talked about making exciting and then he
starts, he starts yawning. He's already

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board late. The situation always gets
me. I have to fight it,

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so numbers thirteen. Basically they've come
up to just so you know, up

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to this point, the people of
Israel have been wandering a little bit.

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They've been heading towards the Promised Land. The Promised Land represented so much to

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the people of Israel and figuratively represents, you know, where God brings us

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to ultimately, the promised land of
a relationship with Him and in eternity.

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But so they're heading towards the Promised
Land and they decide, hey, it's

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getting a little scary. What should
we do? And they come up to

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the Jordan River on the they're on
the east side, which would be in

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what would be now modern day nation
of Jordan, and they're ready to go

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across into Israel. And so with
that being said, numbers Chapter thirteen versue

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says that the Lord now said to
Moses, send out men to explore the

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land of Canaan, the land I'm
giving to the Israelites. Send one leader

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from each of the twelve ancestral tribes. So Moses did as the Lord commanded,

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and he sent out twelve men,
all tribal leaders of Israel, from

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their camp in the wilderness of Paran. And then for the next eleven verses

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it spells out all those names,
guys with names like Guel and Knabi and

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Amiel. So I'm not going to
try to read them all. What is

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it wolf? See, Yeah,
you can go ahead and read them if

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you like. Makis so from all
all of the tribes of Israel Rau.

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Then in verse sixteen it says,
these are the names of men Moses sent

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out to explore the land. Moses
called Hoshiah, son of None by the

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name Joshua. Moses gave the men
these instructions as he sent them out to

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explore the land. Go north through
the Negev into the hill country. See

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what the land is like, and
find out whether the people living there are

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strong or weak, few or many. See what kind of land they live

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in? Is it good or bad? Do they their towns have walls or

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are they unprotected like open camps?
Is the soil for or poor? Are

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there many trees? Do your best
to bring back samples of the crops you

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see. It happened to be the
season for harvesting the first ripe grapes.

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So they went up and explored the
land from the wilderness of zen as far

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as how do you say, rayhab
near le boheimoth ye judgement, That's exactly

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what I was going to say.
Going north, they passed through the Negev

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and arrived at Hebron, where Hymen, the Sheshai, and Talmai, all

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descendants of Anak lived. The ancient
town of Hebron was founded seven years before

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the Egyptian city of Zoa. When
they came to the valley of Eskol,

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they cut down a branch with a
single cluster of grapes so large that it

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took two of them to carry it
on a pole between them. They also

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brought back samples of the pomegranates and
figs, and that place was called the

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valley of Eskol, which means cluster
because of the cluster grapes the Israelite men

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cut there. After exploring the land
for forty days, the men returned to

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Moses, Aaron and the whole community
of Israeli kidish in the wilderness of Puran.

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They reported to the whole community what
they had seen and showed them the

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fruit. They'd take it from the
land. This was the report to Moses.

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We under the land you sent us
to explore, and it is indeed

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a bountiful country, a land flowing
with milk and honey. And here's the

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kind of fruit it produces. But
the people living there are powerful, and

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their towns are large and fortified.
We even saw giants there, descendants of

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Anak. The Amalekites live in the
Negev, and the Hittites, Jebusites and

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Amorites live in the hill country.
The Canaanites live along the coast of the

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Mediterranean Sea and along the Jordan Valley. But Caleb tried to quiet the people

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as they stood before Moses. Let's
go at once and take the land,

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he said, we can certainly conquer
it. But the other men who had

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explored the land with him disagreed.
We can't go up against them. They're

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stronger than we are. So they
spread this bad report among the land among

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the Israelites. The land we traveled
through and explored will devour anyone who goes

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to live there. All the people
we saw were huge. We even saw

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giants there, the descendants of anak
next to them, We felt like grasshoppers.

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And that's what they thought too.
The next verse says, in the

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whole began, the whole community began
weeping aloud, and they cried all night.

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Yeah. So, and the story
does go on. But the bottom

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line is is we know the ending
of this story, which I don't think

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we're gonna touch on next week or
tomorrow. So the story is is that

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regardless of Joshua and Caleb's plea to
go into the land, they decide not

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to. Right. Yes, so
because we're not doing it right right numbers

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twenty h yeah, yeah, so
we just have to summarize. And because

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of their disbelief, then what happens
They wind up wandering in the wilderness for

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forty years until everybody voted not to
go dies boom, that is the way

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to say it. And so and
so God says, God says, here's

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the promise. I'm gonna, I'm
gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna lead

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you to the hence the word promised
land, the land that has promised to

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you. And then Moses says,
hey, go check it out. And

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just like God delivered the Egyptians from
the or excuse me, the Israelites.

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The Egyptians, right, I mean
they were they were weaponless, Egyptians had

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chariots and uh. And yet you
know God, God delivered them. And

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not to mention, you know the
stories of old right, you know how

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God just always shows up for uh, you know, his people and uh.

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And yet they felt like God was
not big enough apparently to overcome the

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people in the Promised Land. Right, but it was everything he promised it

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would be, yes, right,
They they literally came back. Hey,

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these grapes we had to we had
to hang between a on a pole between

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the two of us. Can you
even imagine? Yeah, you and I

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carried a cluster of grapes back from
Kroger in a little bag. In fact,

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in fact, it's many clusters of
grapes right right, because that's how

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big they are. That's how small
they are compared to them, you know,

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between a pole. Are you kidding
me? I can't by the way,

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I can't even imagine swallowing you rape
that size, right, eat it

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like an apple? Right right?
So, uh so it was everything God

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promised it would be. Yes,
why wouldn't they just go, Okay,

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we're going to take it. So
Caleb goes, let's just take it now.

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Let's not wait another minute, let's
go. Joshua is the other one

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who votes and says, hey,
we should go, right. Joshua's Moses's

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right hand man. Joshua believes that
God's going to keep his promises. But

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everybody else was voting on the was
voting based on the problems they could see,

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and Joshua and Caleb saw all the
promises God had made. There's a

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big difference between those two things.
If you live your life like you know,

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it's there's what twelve was it?
How many spies went in? Twelve?

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Was it twelve? Yep? Was
twelve? Yeah, so you get

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all these spies they go in and
two of them say we can do it.

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Yeah, twelve men went to spy
ocaine and ten we're bad and two

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we're good. I remember that one. Yes, yes, okay, so

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listen, I know that we're technically
not assigned chapter fourteen, but can I

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skip ahead and sort of read these
verses? We don't actually have to have

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them on the screen, But this
is one of my favorite parts of this

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story that we didn't get the chance
to read. So let me set the

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context. So, out of all
these twelve spies, they're all saying,

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no, we're afraid they're giants.
And then, as we already have read,

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Caleb is the only one right,
He's the only voice of reason.

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He says, come on, let's
go, And then they say and they're

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like, no, we Then Joshua
gives this incredible rousing speech. It reminds

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me of the Brave Heart speech from
this day to that would you not sacrifice

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that for your freedom? Right?
You know all that? So it says

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in fourteen it says that the Joshua
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right, and they said to all
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and explored is a wonderful land.
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he will bring us safely into that
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It is rich land, flowing with
milk and honey. Do not rebel

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against the Lord, and don't be
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They are only helpless pray to us. Think about how inspiring that is.

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They have no protection, but the
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of them. I mean, that's
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says, but the whole community talk
about stoning and cale, so it's like

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the best reaction ever, right,
It's it's like it's like this incredible speech

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and then you know, like a
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guys tied up or something. It's
like they talked about starting them give me

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a rock. I'm gonna shut these
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that we but we know is true. And you know, there's so many

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sermons in there, but but first
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We need the voices of faith around
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live our lives and we come across
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you know, we face trials,
we face things that discourage us, we

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lose faith, we doubt God's promises. We we we face things that are

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just we seem insurmountable, the odds
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it seems like God's you know,
sends hopefully that voice of reason. Maybe

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it's our mom, or maybe it's
our wife, or maybe it's a good

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friend. And they're the person that
you already know what they're going to say,

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right, because they're oh, here
they come. They're going to say,

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you know, have faith, believing
God, go to church, read

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your Bible, just be strong,
you know. And when we're when we're

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far from God, sometimes it's the
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sometimes what we do is we want
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we avoid. And as a pastor, you know this to be true.

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You try to call somebody to encourage
them, what do they do? They

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dodge your calls or they avoid your
texts. Right. I was thinking of

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a really good friend of mine.
He's really discouraged about his marriage, and

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uh, and they're on my heart
like every other day, and and I

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and I texted this guy and I
was like, hey, I know you

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don't want to hear this, but
I'm your pastor and your friend and so

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I would be doing myself and you
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if I didn't say this to you. I said, but I'm praying against

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what you're feeling. I'm praying against
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I know you don't want to hear
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But it's because I believe God wants
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And he didn't respond, He didn't
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him to to be honest with you. But but I hope I'm the voice

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of Joshua and Caleb, you know. But but here's another here's another sermon

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that's in here. You ready for
this? Remember those names you skipped?

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Yeah, okay, think about all
the names that you hear today. Your

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name is Jeff, My name is
Chris. Do you know somebody named Joshua?

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Yes? Have a brother named Joshua. Do you know somebody named Caleb?

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Yes? Now do you know somebody
named Zacher No? Or Maki Nope?

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Or or Vafzi No? Right?
So you don't you don't know any

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of those guys, right? Or
Emuel or Sepher or Nabi or Uel or

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Gotti or Gidiel or Palti or Shamuah. The reason why you don't know that

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is because those guys are guys that
nobody wants to remember, right, They're

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relegated to the dustbin of But who
are the heroes of faith? The names

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that have carried on through the generations. Joshua and Caleb. They're the only

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two of the twelve that you still
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that's got to be a massive sermon
right there. Well, God chose to

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name his son, yes you will, Yeah, that's right, right,

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right, right, So Joshua's name, Jesus name was Joshua, right right,

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yeah, yeah, yeah, in
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to be honest with you, I
I think I heard that a long time

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ago, and I've really completely forgot
that. But you know, it's it's

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it's just an incredible tribute that.
So here's the sermon that's hidden in there,

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and that is that which we do
today. We may not see or

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think that our choices will live past
our lifetime, yeah yep, but yet

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they do, don't they. It's
right, our choices of standing up for

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faith. What it was the Bible
saying, our choices not only move the

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kingdom forward, but you know,
you never know this side of eternity.

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Uh, you know what what would
living for God will mean to the generations

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that come behind you? And only
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eternity where we know that what we
do on this earth has affected those who

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have come behind us. And so
you know, here's Joshu michaeleb probably in

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this moment, having no idea.
You know that here we are talking about

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them thousands of years later, maybe
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For me, I used to teach
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some of my high schoolers as well. When the crowd seems to be fueling

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its own hype, go against the
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always wrong, just even in our
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read an article. It started off
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a link from the from there to
another article. Right, so there's two

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articles about think of how many things
mainstream America now just mainstream media, mainstream

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America has gotten wrong just in the
last five or six years. Let's talk

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about masks and mandates and pandemics.
Let's talk about politics, let's talk about

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burning down cities, Let's talk about
all these things that then now mainstream media

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is retracting or stepping away from a
conspiracy and just shouting down anybody goes,

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Have you ever thought about Rah viciously
attacking anybody who gave an opposing view at

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all? Right? And now how
many things? It's dozens of things that

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literally had people fighting at Thanksgiving dinner
over things that turns out to be not

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true. Right, but we're gonna
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Yeah, this is my shocked face. Yes, right, and and here

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you go. You have twelve go
in, yep, two come back and

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go we can do it. God
problems, We can do it. And

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it's everything you said it was right, and ten go, yeah, there's

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some problems over there, and those
big guys we can't beat them, right,

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and the whole crowd wanted to kill
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we can do this, and I
know that we can do it, But

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can I remind you of God's promises? They have no protection. God is

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with us. They are like pray
to us. These are some of the

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most inspiring unbelievable things that Joshua is
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inspiration, it's inspiration attached to promises. So under all the uncertainty over the

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last several years, I've had a
lot of people want to come in and

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say, Jeff, I just instinctively
am thinking there's something not right in society

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today, and I'm not sure where
I should go. And I would always

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say I'm not sure either, but
I can tell you when the whole group

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is going that way, go the
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Right. And so when you're not
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God's promises, and go God's promises, the direction of his promises, go

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his way, regardless of what everybody
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They went in to spy for forty
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and they d for forty years.
The consequences were ten times. There's forty

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days, So it's hundreds and hundreds
and hundreds of times, right, it

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was thousands of times. It was
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because each day was a year.
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three hundred and sixty five times right
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though the masses were going that way, and we live in a society that

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is even more mass hysteria driven then
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so one, stop getting your news
from every all your friends. Right,

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that'd be one. But then just
understand, when the whole world is going

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a certain way, you need to
go the other way. Go the other

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way, go God's way. Yeah, and uh, and you know because

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two lived, two lived through it, and two eventually made it to the

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Promised Land. Joshua and Caleb Caleb
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man, right, and everybody else
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forty years. But yeah, yeah, and then and then all. So

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here's another sermon that's in here,
which is, sometimes your choices and your

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disbelief in God don't just affect you, they affect everybody around you absolutely,

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because what happens is is they're the
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the point to where now the whole
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you know, just shut this guy
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if we go in there, we're
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of a sudden, you know,
they're persuading the crowd, and the crowd

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listens to the ten over the two, and then what ends up happening is

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everybody suffers. Everybody suffers for the
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know, sometimes like you know,
like I don't want to. You know,

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my dad's a wonderful human being,
you know, but when he divorced

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my mom, I don't know back
then if he would have thought because I

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never asked him, But it wouldn't
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he approached us and said, well, hey, this is my life.

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My choice has nothing to do with
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Don't tell me what to do.
It's my life. He didn't say

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any of those things, But wouldn't
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that choice divorcing, of divorcing my
mom only affected him. Right, I'm

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not talking about right or wrong or
reconciliation in my mom's situation. I'm not

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talking about any of that kind of
stuff. Decisions have trickled down effect that

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are devastating to the people. Yeah, I'm only I'm only saying it's sometimes

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it's silly to think, you know, to claim, hey, it's my

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life, it's my happiness, it's
my choices. Well, I mean that's

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fine, but just recognize it's never
just your life, almost never, it's

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it's it's it's going to bleed out
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have to consider that. And you
know, society does say, right,

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whatever makes you happy, society points
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we just want you to do what
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to do well. You know that
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you know, our choices almost always affect

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those around us. Yeah. So, so then in chapter fourteen, I'll

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finish up with this. Because your
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you must wander in the wilderness for
forty years a year, for each day

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suffering the consequences of your sin.
Then you will discover what it's like to

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have me for an enemy. Right, So the people then they change your

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mind. They go, oh,
god, you're right, we change her

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because you know what happens. Right
after that, all ten spies were struck

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dead right in front of them.
So then people, will you know what,

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God, we changed your mind,
will go. But at that point

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God had said no, now you're
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in the wilderness. So thea's no, no, no, we're going to

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go in and they were going to
go across the river Mos. Whoa,

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you can disobey God again. Now
he said to go in the wilderness,

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and you're gonna You're gonna bring more
plagues on us. But Joshua and Caleb,

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they chose to go the right way. God spared their lives. God

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carried them through that forty years of
difficulty, and then He does deliver around

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his promises. And so God never
promises that it'll be easy. There's no

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victory without a fight, right,
But God does say, I'll go with

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you, I'll for you, I'll
protect you, and I will give you

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everything I promised that I give you, And so we can always trust God.

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Otherwise we set God up as our
enemies. Yeah that's good, all

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right, Well, hey, we'll
see you tomorrow hopefully on the Bible. Gus