Unknown: There was a guy that big fan of Phil's show, Phil
Valentine's show, he told me on the phone. He said, You know,
you guys changed me. And I said, How was that? He said I was
looking for a music on the radio. He said I was very
liberal. I turned to your station. He said, I heard this
really cool Steve Earle song. He says, pretty deep cut, and he
said, and all of a sudden I started hearing Phil talk, and
he said I was disagreeing with him, but I noticed that I
couldn't turn away. And I kept listening. And he said I kept
noticing the music was really cool. And he said, and all of a
sudden I noticed, the longer I stayed with the show, I was
starting to change my mind, and he said, I totally went the
other direction. He said it was all because of you guys,
interesting, and that was very that touched me.
Welcome to a podcast about music and entertainment before it all
goes down the disposal. This is circling the drain.
Hey, welcome back into circling the drain, the podcast that
tries to keep the entertainment business maybe ourselves from
going down the garbage disposal. My name is Johnny Beale or John
E Bozeman, right over here. We've got my man. Jay Harper,
yes, I'm trying to avoid the drain here today. Johnny B
and A man that does, he does
avoid the drain, right? Jim, well, he's kind of in charge of
the drain.
So, yes, he is. He's in charge of the disposal. He can put us
down the
disposal, right? He's the drain keeper, the drain gatekeeper.
I am adding that to my LinkedIn profile. As you speak,
glad I could be of service.
And by the way, you definitely want to follow us on all the
YouTube
and betcha, we're on YouTube. We are on Facebook. Of course, the
podcast come out every Wednesday morning. Yes, and we also have
Twitter feed, and we're on Instagram. So all of the social
media platforms now, you know Johnny, I looked into Twitch and
rumble and some of these other platforms that are out there.
Have no clue how they work. So we're not we're not there. I
don't know. We may never end up on those platforms. Are we on
frackle? What the frack are you talking about MySpace? Maybe.
Are we?
Is MySpace
still around? Yeah, yeah. Is it really
and whenever I want to feel like I need to take a shower, I go
there and log in. Oh, gosh, it's one of those. It's like, you go
and you log in and check out, and you're like, Oh, I feel
dirty though.
Well, speaking up, we could always join fans, only
fans only. Yeah, we could only fans, or whatever.
Only fans. That's what it is. Only fans, that's what it is.
Well, heck, let's get started
on it. Have
you seen the derivatives of it like only drummers? No, it's
like a problem. Why did I think
that's a great derivative about only
podcasters. There you go. Yeah, guys that are out of shape, like
we're glad to have you in for this episode. I want to cover a
few things we've had. Some people basically want to tell us
that we missed a lot of musicians that became actors, or
at least tried to or tried to. And one was and very
interesting. I always say that, but it is interesting. Yes, it
is Randy Travis,
you know. And I really, I know that he was in some things prior
to his, you know, his medical issues, yes, but I don't recall
what they were. I mean, do you know exactly what
you know? I don't remember. I don't recall the Yeah, I have
seen him because my wife watches a lot of things that I don't
really care for, right? That you know, like the Hallmark movies
now, see my My wife hates that stuff, so I'm good there, but
what she likes to what she's always watching are these crime
shows, you know, the real life crime things on, you know,
investigation, discovery and the oxygen channel, and they always
seem to be these stories about how These women murdered their
husbands.
Yeah, are they doing
homework? Like, yeah, exactly, you know what? Why are you
taking notes over there? What are you doing? You know,
watching these shows. So, yeah, so I have to sleep with one eye
open.
Well, I think we all do. And, yeah, it's very interesting. You
know, I've always, it's always women. Women love the true crime
show. Well, I do too. I mean, I enjoy watching that stuff. I get
roped into, yeah, you know, where the date lines and the,
you know, 20, what? 48 hours, those guys, those 2020, those
investigative shows. You know, I enjoy a lot of those as well.
I used to like the one, I guess it was. Um, I guess it may have
been 48 hours. Was that what it was? I can't remember, but they
would always surprise the guy, the guy be sitting at the
kitchen table, and, you know, the guy would come out,
I think, yeah, I don't know which of those. It was 2020, or
48 one of those. One of those, yeah, where you had the guy that
was chasing the the pedophiles? Yes, you know, and having fake
pedophile profiles on some of these scenes, and you know, the
guy would show up, you know, to meet, you know, with a bottle of
baby oil in a box of condoms
and a bottle of wine, yes, To Catch A Predator.
Yeah, something Yeah, something along that line, yeah. And in
out would pop. I forget the guy's name. Yeah, did. Though, I
know there's Jim looking it up for us, but you know, he would
confront the guy in the you know, who had just shown up, and
he's in the kitchen, and out walks the reporter. So, yeah,
Chris Hanson, yeah. So Hi, I'm Chris Hanson with ABC News. So
what brings you here with a bottle of baby oil and a box of
condoms
and a cat of nine tails, I'm not here. I need
to get out of here, though. This is all just, oh no. I was just,
hey, I'm here to protect this young woman. That's the only
reason I showed up.
I and then the guy would try to leave the place, and then the
police.
Have you ever want to see what someone looks like when their
life flashes before their eyes?
Man, I'm Chris Hanson,
life is over like when Mike Wallace exactly walk in on
people, you know,
pop in when they would see Mike Wallace, it would be the yeah,
as you say, Johnny the My life is overlooked.
Oh, God, everything,
yeah. I mean, was that dude a bulldog or what?
Oh, he was man, yeah.
He was really, he was really something, you know, and I can
imagine, you know, what he would have been like at restaurants,
or, you know, in terms of, like, you know, people that would have
to serve that guy, yeah, yeah. You definitely
wouldn't want him to give you a review
on you. No, no,
yeah, you would have to make sure that everything is is 100%
the way it's supposed to be. But go back to we also had another
person that reminded me that, Travis tritt, yeah, country
singer, very good singer, by the way, not a bad actor.
Yes, he was in some western theme. Yes, he was and
and he also played a, I don't know what show it was on, but
he, like, played this doctor that was really demented. He was
really good at
so that was Dr Demento, yeah, I
didn't know that Travis. Didn't know that Travis did well,
when I was a little kid. Man, that was, that was the cool
radio show.
Dr Demento, we talked about Uncle greasy grease. Man, he was
at the big ape UAP and
what a doodle. Everyone, yeah, very big Lisa, That's
old school, right? Well, that is old school. That's old school
radio, right there.
But, but, you know, Johnny, we, you know, we love those comments
that we get, you know, we do know for things that maybe we
missed, or, you know, suggestions like, hey, you know
Johnny and Jay and Jim, your conversation reminded me of X.
Why don't you talk about that? Hey, we want to hear that.
Yes, we do. We respond to you. And I also want to respond to
some folks that have come up to me. I haven't really, I've not
seen this on social media, but I get it in person, they'll go,
why aren't you talking about politics? John, yeah, why aren't
you talking Why aren't you talking politics? Boy, well,
frankly, I did it for so long that I kind of got burned out
on Oh, and it's, it's easy to get burned out on it. And, you
know, it is such a divisive subject. I mean, you know,
Johnny and I have, you know, we discuss what we wish to talk
about, and before this circling the drain podcast came to
fruition, right? Johnny and I had meetings of them, you know,
discussions about what should we talk about? And we ultimately
determine, you know, there are so many sources for the
political debate out there,
Facebook, Twitter and not, and not just political pundits.
Everybody is a political pundit.
You know, talk radio. You know, there are all sorts of places
for that stuff. And like you say, Johnny, I mean, you know,
we kind of get beaten over the head with it every day, yes, on
social media and whatnot. So for us, this is kind of a it's a
respite from all that stuff,
exactly. It's more fun at this point in my life. I just like to
have a little fun.
You and me both. Yeah, you
know, the reason. Recent events with the assassination of
Charlie Kirk, which is certainly heartbreaking, and that that's
all you see on social media now. And and I understand it's a
it's, you know, it's an emotional issue. It is for
people on both sides of the political spectrum.
They're saying it emotionally. It's at the impact of 911 almost
a similar I
would kind of agree with that, because
what upset me, and I wasn't really a Charlie Kirk follower,
so much I did, like the fact that the guy wanted debate, and
that's what I miss in talk radio today, is that you're not
getting or even policy dialog, yeah, just dialog. It doesn't
matter if we disagree, right? Let's, let's, let's debate,
let's talk. Yeah, and that's what he was doing in these
colleges. And I have to applaud the guy right for doing that. I
mean, it's
almost like Dave Mason, you know, there are no good guys.
There's no bad guys. It's just you and we just disagree
exactly, you know exactly? Why can't we just have a civil
discourse?
But, but the thing that I cannot stomach, and I really found
myself, and there are people, and there's our friends of mine,
some are family members that are cheering that this guy got
assassinated, that I cannot understand at all. I don't care
if you I mean, there's plenty of people that I have disagreed
with. Well, if I, if I saw someone on the very far left,
same thing happened to them, I wouldn't be cheering it. No, of
course not. Not at all. Just because I disagree with them
doesn't mean that I wish them ill will.
You know, as far as a non I mean, this was a political
assassination. However, it was not a politician per se, that
was struck down. I was a little bitty kid when Martin Luther
King Jr was assassinated. Was like eight years old or
something, and I remember hearing the news about it, but,
you know, as a little kid, I and, of course, no social media,
so, you know, you didn't get all of this vitriol for the public
to consume about that issue. But I can only imagine that it's
this is probably pretty similar event in terms of, you know, one
side of the political spectrum being outraged, and I would like
to think that a lot of people that were conservative back in
68 when King was assassinated, were outraged by that as well.
Yes, but I don't know if there's been any other murder of a
public figure that has really impacted the nation the way that
this Kirk assassination has, other than perhaps Martin Luther
King, you know, going back 50 years.
Yeah, I would agree. And I think, and really it's impacted
the world. I mean, you saw a lot of people come together in
remembering Charlie Kirk, even across the pond.
Yeah, and I don't ever recall seeing so many people that are
of the you know, that are on the left side of the political
ledger getting terminated by their employers. Well, you're
not kidding. You know. I mean, we have all heard of folks
expressing conservative and quote, unquote right wing views
losing their job right now. You know, rarely did you hear
anybody you know, espousing the leftist stuff and getting fired,
but they are now, well, on this particular issue, this has been,
you know, turning point, man, uh, boy, he named it correctly.
Yeah, he sure did, but
they made him I mean it, I have to say in death, his message is
becoming even more resonant. I mean, kids are really, really
flocking to his message,
and a lot of college campuses now asking to have their own
chapters of the of the turning point organization,
and not only that, but also got a lot of people to go to church,
which was quite astonishing. I mean, the guy had had quite an
impact on our society. And you know, either people that were
pro or anti Charlie Kirk, I never find anybody really in the
middle when it comes to him? There's a few. But yeah, he had
quite an impact on people.
He was to speak at the World outreach church in Murfreesboro.
Yes, he was here in the in the near future. So, you know, it
makes you wonder if, will this curtail conservatives from
getting out and speaking in large groups like
this? I don't think so. I think what needs to happen is there
needs to be better security. Because what I saw from from his
appearance was I thought, man, there's not much.
Why don't they sweep the rooftops of these places? I
don't know what it is about.
But, you know, lately, but it just seems like they don't
really check rooftops
anymore. I think he had his own security detail. Yeah, he
did, but I think I would have had something a little more.
Yes, I'm sure the man probably had all kinds of death threats
all the time. You're getting a word from a lot of conservative
lawmakers now, Nancy mace comes to mind, the congresswoman from
who I used to know when I was working the Citadel sports
stuff, because she's the first female Citadel graduate, yeah.
But anyway, you know, she has said that the just the horrible
death threat. Matter of fact, she played some of them on
social media, she recorded some voicemails that she received, oh
yeah, just, I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill your
children. I'm going to rape you. I'm going to just disgusting
stuff. Oh, it is. And, you know, she says that she carries, oh
yeah, you have to. You have to. I mean, I remember, I was
working with Phil Valentine. He got, he got threatened on the
air by someone with Antifa. I don't want to give the guy's
names. I don't want to give him any any more publicity than he's
ever had. But, you know, it was a very strange call, because he
started out very nice, very polite, but probably in the
scope of about two minutes, he immediately went to, I'm going
to come down to the station and I'm going to get you. And I love
Phil's answer, bring it.
Thanks for the warning.
Well, Phil carried
I wouldn't be challenging.
Mr. Valentine, well, you know, Johnny, we say, and I guess this
discussion we've had thus far could be deemed political in a
sense. But as we said, though we really want to concentrate on,
you know, just other more lighthearted things, yes, but by
the same token, I don't think we should ignore some of these
heavily impactful events. Well, this one was huge. So I, you
know, it certainly bears exploring like we, like we've
been doing. I think,
Well, I think, I think what this what this needs to teach people.
And I've seen people on the other side that have been
horrified by some of the comments that are out there,
even John Lennon's son, Sean, I noticed on Twitter, came out and
said that even though he didn't agree with Charlie Kirk. He
said, You know, there are children that are fatherless
right now, his children are fatherless. His wife doesn't
have a husband. He said, I lived through something like this. He
said, Yeah, that, yeah, you need to remember that. Yeah. Great
point. And I think that's what we need to we need to get back
to, as we were saying in the beginning. Let's get back to
dialog. Let's get back to there's nothing wrong with
having a debate with one another when you don't agree, but keep
it civilized. There's no reason to go down the road of, you
know, wanting to hurt someone, threatening people, because all
that tells me is that you've run out of ammunition. You've run
out of bullets.
No pun, no pun intended there,
yeah, but, but you've just basically run out of ammunition
in your
dialog. You know, Charlie Kirk left a one year old son and a
three year old daughter. Well, it's
heartbreaking. What? And you talk about a family that seemed
to really love one another. I mean, they really, I mean, the
guy had everything
he had. He really embodied his faith too. Yeah, he did
31 years old. It's just, yeah, it's sad.
But as I said, there is a positive. He did bring a lot of
more people to faith. I noticed that over the weekend after his
shooting, that, you know, the churches were full. People were
really turning to their religion, even people that
didn't agree with
him. Yeah, a lot of vigils out there
celebrating the man's life and acknowledging his, uh,
acknowledging his
statements and his impact on on society. And, you know, I think
that's a good thing, I tell you, though it those kind of big
gatherings, though they they still scare me. They shouldn't
be some other left wing nut thinking, Hey, man, the boy,
there's a there's a whole group, a whole group I can target
Exactly. Yeah, that's what's scary. That's what it's come to
in this country. Well, it is, and that's one reason I kind of
gotten burned out on, as I said, politics. I mean, I loved
working in talk radio, and it was a lot of fun for a while,
but it started not to be, because I noticed that
everything was starting to get a little more. There was more
static, there was more, you know, violence, and there wasn't
debate anymore. It was people calling each other names,
screaming at one another. I. I can't go for
that. I'm with you. And you know, the times that I fill in
on the conservative talk station here in Nashville, on news, you
know, I will sit there and listen to all that stuff from
our, you know, from the hosts that are all outstanding at what
they do. Yes, they are. They're very good. But I must admit
that, you know, after a few days, I'm just like, gosh, I
couldn't do this every day. Now, you know, listening to that day,
and I know a lot of people eat it up. That's why the station is
so successful. Here they are, you know, I filled in as a host
a couple of times and and I I talked about the, you know, the
I know what the audience wants. They want conservative political
talk, and I gave him some of that, but I also I had Dale,
Darryl Worley and John Barry for extended segments, and started
getting complaints, you know, on the text line, oh, yeah, why are
you? Why aren't you talking about Kamala Harris? And again,
I couldn't do that every day. I just, I get my gut full of it
pretty quick.
Well, that's me, Jay. I mean, I had the same thing. My wife was
really pushing me. She goes, You know, you need to go for your
own show. And I said, Well, I would love to, but I don't think
I would do the show that they want. Yeah? Day one day out they
want. They want red meat. Yeah. I mean, that's all they want.
They want. They want total political talk. And I just can't
do a show
like, yeah, to me, it gets it gets exhausting pretty quick.
Well, it does. You know,
you see enough, like you said on Facebook, and Facebook's just a
big echo chamber. There's no one. You're not convincing
anybody. No, you know, you're not winning anybody over to your
side. I mean, the thing about talk radio is that at least you
can turn tone. You could discern attitude, things of that nature,
and a dialog can happen, and hopefully it's almost face to
face. You know, you know that's I always tell people in a
political argument or discussion or dialog, do it face to face.
Exactly we're supposed to do it.
It was very interesting. There was a guy that big fan of Phil's
show, Phil Valentine's show, and I was talking to him on the
phone. He was he was dying from cancer, but he told me on the
phone, he said, you know, you guys changed me. And I said, How
was that? He said I was on the I was looking for a music on the
radio. He said I was very liberal. He said I was looking
for music on the radio. And he said, I turned to your station.
He said I heard this really cool Steve Earl song. He said I
recognized it. He says, pretty deep cut. And he said, I was
tuned in, and he said, and all of a sudden I started hearing
Phil talk, and he said I was disagreeing with him, but I
noticed that I couldn't turn away. And I kept listening. And
he said, I kept noticing the music was really cool, and he
said, and all of a sudden I noticed, the longer I stayed
with the show, I was starting to change my mind. And he said, I
totally went the other direction. He said, it was all
because of you guys interesting, and that was very that touched
me.
Sales, 101, see,
I lured him in. Everybody always said, Why are you playing those
liberals on it. I said, because that draws people in, right?
Liberals May, I mean, you can, you can complain about liberals
all you want, but they make great music. Yeah, they not.
If I played Pat Boone, nobody would listen.
And speaking of, you know, speaking of entertainment, we
lost great, great actor, director, he's been in our lives
probably as long as we've been.
Oh, absolutely. Robert Redford, yes. And Charles Robert Redford,
yeah, Robert was his middle name. But a long, productive
life and having quite an impact. And in other areas, with the,
you know, the film festivals that he created that are very
respected and renowned now. And, you know, he certainly was left
leaning very much so. But one of those guys, though, that you
knew his stance on stuff, but he to me anyway, I don't know how
you fellas feel about it. You knew that he was a left wing
liberal, but he didn't try to really cram it down your throat.
Well, no, no, he could be reasonable. I mean, you know, he
was in the White House once with George W Bush when he won. I
forget what the medal is.
They get presidential, the president of freedom. Yes,
something like, which Charlie Kirk is going to get posthumous.
Yes, he is from President Trump.
But yeah, yeah, I thought Robert Redford was, you know,
he was, he was also, he's of the silent generation as well. Yes,
before the boomers. So I think that makes. A big difference?
Well, he was so cool. I remember the first movie I saw him in
1969 as Butch Cassidy, yeah, gosh, he was cool
in that. And did he and Paul Newman not have the, I mean,
some of the best on screen chemistry with, yeah, with the
sting and the Butch Cassidy and Sundance Kid, you know. And I
really didn't realize how much older Paul Newman was then,
then, then Redford. I mean, yeah, Newman died at age 83 a
long time ago, yeah, you know. So yeah. But boy, their on
stream chemistry was just It was magical.
It really was. They were a great duo. And also, if you ever look
at look it up on on Google images or wherever you can. But
there's some great photos of Robert Redford when he was in
Nashville, hanging out with Waylon and Willie. It was when
Waylon had shaved off part of his beard. He just had a
mustache, and for some reason he's carrying a book on Adolf
Hitler. I don't know why.
I don't know if Robert gave it to him. So what, what kind, how
did that mustache look? Uh, Johnny,
well, it wasn't the good old, okay, yeah, all
right, just, just checking, yeah. So it wasn't the Charlie
Chaplin, Adolph Hitler,
but they, I think they were having a discussion about doing
electric horsemen, because originally, Waylon was supposed
to be in that with Willie, but Waylon for some reason,
well, you know a song by Willie that came from that film. My
heroes have always been cowboys. Yes, I think that's one of
Willie's best performances. Oh, it really was. He just
absolutely nailed
that at midnight. Rider he did on that too, the That's right,
yeah, and he did a good version of that. That's right, I've
forgotten about that. That's why you're Johnny B that's why
you're Jay Harper. That's why he's Jim McCarthy
or Chris or, yeah,
Chris or whoever. Oh, that's another thing I have to cover
with you guys. Oh, really, let's get into some personal stuff
here. Because my sister, which, you know, it really touched my
heart. My oldest sister, called me to tell me how much she's
enjoying this podcast. Great. But she said, John. I said,
What? She goes, What's that fella's name that? I said, Jim
McCarthy, yeah, I keep wanting to call him Chris. I said, well,
it runs in the family. I gotta tell on you two guys, because I
got to hang out with both of you away from here.
One was at the
opening of the podcast studio the East base. Is young, yeah.
And Jim invited both of us, but Jim, Joe, Joe, Jay couldn't make
it. Joe Jay couldn't make that one, but, but you, but she would
have loved it, Jay, because they were giving away guitars at this
thing,
they gave away three guitars.
And I thought to myself, my wife put her card in there. I bet
anything. I'm thinking this to myself, I bet anything, she's
gonna win one. You willed it into existence. I did. And when
they announced the last one, she won it. And you should have seen
her, I couldn't touch it. I said, Honey, do you want me to
hold that for you? No, no, but yeah, she, she won the guitar,
and it's now in her
Yeah, you had sent me a photo. I think maybe even you posted that
on a photo of your wife just beaming and, you know, and
looking totally oblivious to you. And you know, she every
guys weren't there.
Yeah, none of us existed. That guitar was all that. That was a
fun get together. I appreciated you inviting us, of course,
yeah, every Graham, we gotta have those guys on too.
Yeah, yeah. We're trying to figure figure it out, because
they, all four of them want to be on. And I'm like, Well, we're
gonna have to do it at your place. Then, yeah, be tough to
sit everybody around this table. It only accommodates so many
people.
People be sitting on laps that might
start rumors. So have you gotten any other comments from family
members on the podcast?
I have not. That's been the only family
member that I think my wife is loving it. She is just thinking
it's so much fun, which, you know, I'm glad she feels that
way. And, you know, she's and Jim, perhaps you're the same
way. I think a lot of husbands are, you know, you know, when
your wife kind of approves of things, it feels good. Yeah.
It's like, well, you know, maybe I'm not the bumbling idiot she
thinks I am most of the time. So it's like, you know, part of
something that you like something, when you're part of
something cool, and
you happen to go to bed at night, it's kind of all of a
sudden,
you hear this in the background. We have, I'm on a podcast. Yes,
let's go right to. On the drink,
somebody order a pizza? Yeah,
here's your pizza.
What a pepperoni with that did anyway, also
the little Italian sausage.
Well before things, my wife does like the podcast as well. In
fact, she she's constantly turning people on to show them,
tell them how to get there, and all that.
My wife has done that too, and I must say this, Johnny, yes, you
know. And we keep saying we're going to do this, and we will.
We're going to get the four of us, and perhaps Jim and his wife
as well, get, get all of us together for a dinner or
something.
We need to because I got to meet Jim's wife. Yeah, I got to meet
Jim's wife at the get together in Brentwood where Glenna won
the guitar.
Well, she's great, my wife, you know, again, she hasn't met you
in person yet, but she said, Johnny, he's adorable. She
thinks you're adorable. Wow. And let me tell you, that's you have
passed some tough muster there.
Even my wife doesn't say that. She doesn't call me adorable.
Courtney has said that, not adorable, but she instantly
liked you, which says a lot. She's a hugely discerning
person. Well, I really liked her. You have a great wife.
Thank you. And one of the things that I'm going to give to you
guys is this really works. This is great.
Marketing. Oh, I like that. Yeah, this people will ask
you, and it's like, my I gave it to my wife, and she's like, What
do I say?
Really? All you got to do, what school you in that?
Yeah, yes. What's the answer? Like?
Send them to the the site on the back, and everything's right
there.
So, well, I do have another family member I should he's
actually a surgeon up in New Jersey. My on my wife's side,
he's an in law. But this guy just loves the podcast, and his
wife loves it more so. So, yeah, that's
because you're You're adorable.
That's debatable. But anyway, with Jay, I got to hang out at
the big Music City Grand Prix Over at the National Speedway,
empty car race. Man, that was cool. Was that cool? Or why?
What's my but I gotta tell you, Jay, I gotta tell this story,
because really, guys, we got in the wrong business. You know, we
got into broadcasting thinking we're gonna get girls. We got
girls, all right, but you should see, I couldn't believe he took
me down to the pit, and all I saw were these young blonde
girls wearing belly shirts and very short shorts with cowboy
boots,
either that or those. You know, the leggings that yes, hug every
every end of Yeah,
the Lulu lemons, yes, yes, but the Ba, ba, boom on the side,
yes, that are like 200 bucks a pair. Yeah,
yeah. But anyway, we're going up to the the big, the big, number
one racer.
What was his name? Alex below. He is a Spaniard, but he, Well,
no wonder he was getting so many Yes, he's the IndyCar champion
for like, the fourth year in a row or something like that.
All you had around this guy were these girls I was talking about.
They all these blondes with the short shorts and the belly
shirts and the cowboy boots, one hot looking Latino girl posing
with him getting a selfie, and who comes in right behind her to
get a selfie? Jay Harper, absolutely amongst all the
babes. Yeah, here's Jay Harper,
I have never been a geek germ to you know. You know, being around
artists and stuff over the years, you know, and nobody
said, I've never been star struck, except with Glen
Campbell and Roger Miller. They those are two exceptions for me.
But anyway, Heck, yeah, I I saw the guy was standing there. He
was being very cordial and nice and allowing photos and stuff.
So, yeah, man, I'm muscle in there got me a selfie with Alex
pillow, you know, when I posted that to the IndyCar Facebook
page, yes, you know, a cool experience at the, you know,
posted some other photos along with the one with Alex pillow,
and he got like, two or 300 likes on the, on the, you know,
and all these great comments and stuff. So I, yeah, I didn't. I
didn't get lambasted by people saying, Did you? Were you the
guy that pushed me out of the way to get a picture with Alex
below? Yes, he's the one that pushed all the boobs out of the
way
to pose? Yeah?
Like, oh gosh, pardon
me. Of women,
Hey, I've never seen my face slapped, so I guess I didn't
offend too many people,
like the jaws of the racetrack.
But I must admit, you know, I'd never been to a car race, an
IndyCar race, before. That was your first time. Yes, and I just
wanted to go. And I must thank you. Know a friend of mine,
Molly Abel. Whose Son or Son? Good grief, her brother. Her
brother was one of the racers. Yes, he was Jacob Abel was a
racer in the race. Anyway, she invited me for their hospitality
and stuff, and that was cool being able to get out of the
heat and go hang in their tent and have some free beverages.
Oh, free food. So I do have to thank her, but yeah, that was
one of the coolest experiences I've had. And I've always wanted
to go to the Indy 500 and me too, of course, you know the
tickets are like, you know, getting McCartney tickets in
terms of price. Well, that's the truth, you know. But one day,
darn it, I'm going to get up to the Indy 500 but yeah, that what
a cool
experience that was. And she was, by the way, what a sweet
lady.
Yeah, yeah. I used to, she used to be my assistant at a at a
job, and, yeah, she is. It's just perplexing why she's still
single, isn't it?
Johnny B Well, when you told me that I thought this, there's
something wrong with this equation. No kidding. Yeah,
she's a catch. Well, she's very smart. She's very lovely, very,
very nice person.
Yeah, yeah. But yeah, that was and I was glad to that you were
able to join me there. Johnny B, yeah, it was fun.
And what was really good about it? The weather was great. It
wasn't, you know, 95 degrees with a 97% humidity, which it
usually is in August.
And, yeah, this was the 30th and the 31st Yes, it was nice. So,
but yeah, I'm glad you were able to join me. We had a
large time. It was fun. Yeah, good time. I gotta hang I'm
really gonna thank you guys for for the good time. Yeah, and
even though I don't get to touch the guitar, I can't even look
at, you know, she's like, she's like, the Christopher Guest, you
know, spinal spinal tap where he says, Don't even look at it.
Don't even touch it. You know, spinal tap two is out now. Yes,
it is. I want to see it. I have, yeah, I have yet to see it. I've
seen, I've not
seen any reviews for Have you Jim, I have not, yeah, don't
know if it's being panned or what have you, but you know, a
lot of films that do get panned, I end up like, do you really pay
attention to reviews all that much.
I don't anymore if it's something I really want to see,
you know, I mean, it's a lot of stuff I see. Is Marvel stuff
so well, I saw so many contradicting reviews on that
last Superman movie. Yeah, I did too. Others saying it was woke
and all this stuff, right? And others saying it was they hated
the dog, or, I don't know, but I've not seen that, that film.
Now, see, I'm real bad about the because I love dinosaurs. Always
have, ever since I was a child. Yeah, me too. And I want to see
the New Jurassic World. I'm one of those geeks you know, that
wants to see it.
That's your thing. Man, running for it is, I am, and I was like
me with the Marvel stuff. I had no idea I'd be that into it at
this age.
Oh, it's me. Yeah, I'm that way too with Batman. I love Batman.
Always have.
Who was your favorite actor portraying Batman thus far?
That's a good question. I think I did like Christian Bale, but I
actually liked Michael Keaton the best.
I think Ben Affleck did a good job.
Yeah,
he did. I think, you know, I saw all of the bad reviews of him,
but I think he got they had, they had a good thing going.
Yeah, I think that was unfair. I do too of Affleck criticism, but
I like Val Kilmer.
I know my wife really liked Val Kilmer.
She constantly remembers
I thought he was adorable. Yeah,
you know, Johnny, if you put on those leather pants that Val
Kilmer war in Batman. I don't think it'd be the same effect.
Well, see, that's, that's what my wife always reminds me of
when that film comes up. Was Val Kilmer in the, oh, yeah, the
leather butt in the leather
pants, yeah? Because they made a big close up
of that, yeah, exactly, yeah, yeah. I'm surprised she hasn't,
like, had that, you know, lifted from the film and make a big,
you know, poster out casting, yeah, put it on the wall or
something. Yeah. She is so enamored, enamored with
that. Well, I think the cameraman on the first Jurassic
Park was, uh, enamored with Laura derns rearing. Because if
you ever watch that movie, it was like, Okay, there's another
shot of Laura walking in this with her shorts. You know, it
was like, the cameraman is really into Laura.
Wasn't, wasn't horrible. That was a Spielberg decision,
because I think he did the same thing with Kate Capshaw in the
second in Raiders movie, yeah, who? He ended up marrying him.
We married, that's right, yeah. And, of course, Amy Irving,
because he was,
Oh, she was very attractive, yeah. She was in no Miller
Nelson movie that married to her honeysuckle rose. That's right.
And I, you know, even though Willie wasn't a great actor, I
did like that movie
as you get Did you guys see the RE release of jaws? We went and
saw it
in the theater. No, no,
I did not. I had to. I had to. You just had it was, well, the
most perfect movie ever made. Yeah, that was a great movie.
Yeah, it certainly, you know, and I've seen it, perhaps you
fellas have as well the, you know, since it's the 50th
anniversary year of that film, there have been some of these
documentaries out there on the making of it, making of jaws,
and Spielberg, his interviews and the documentaries, you know,
he said, I thought my career was over that this was that film was
such a disaster in terms of it being over budget and taking so
long, and the shark, damn shark, wouldn't work, and a variety of
other other issues. And he said he literally, not figuratively,
but literally almost had a nervous breakdown over it all
during the making of that film. Wow. And he swore he would never
work again, that his name was going to be mud in Hollywood
with the producers and whatnot, film studio heads and so forth.
Boy, did he get that wrong?
Boy, he sure did. He owns it now. What was really bizarre. I
was in Georgia one time. Tell this story. I was at a gas
station. I think that's around Noonan, Georgia, where I think
Alan Jackson came from. But I was at this gas station. This
woman comes up, she goes, Can I ask you a question? I said, Yes,
ma'am. Are you? Steven Spielberg, why? Yes, yes, I am.
I did that. Yes. I am
going to shoot a movie down here.
I can remember seeing when I saw JAWS for the first time, it was
at a theater in New Orleans down on Canal Street, the joy
theater, you know, one of those grand old theaters from way back
when. Don't know if the joy is still operable or what, but
anyway, this is 1975 I remember going to see the film there, and
as we were walking out of the film, there was a teenage girl,
I'm assuming, with her boyfriend. They are walking out,
and she had a huge urine stain on the back of her. Wow, pants.
This girl had wet herself seeing that film. That the only part of
jaws that kind of spooked me a little bit is when Richard
Dreyfus is swimming, you know, in the scuba gear, and they're
investigating a boat that was just Ben Gardner's boat
abandoned, right? And, you know, when he came up to the hole in
the boat and that head popped out of there? Yes, that did make
me jump. That made me
jump. And also the scene with Roy Scheider when he's chumming
the
blood and the, you know, the right before the line, of all
lines, yeah,
the head comes out of the water that that kind of well.
And the reaction from Scheider yes was so perfect. I don't know
how many times they filmed that scene, oh, he snaps up, yeah,
when he snaps up, and yeah, one of the greatest lines ever,
which I've heard conflicting stories. I mean, I know Jim, you
guys are both kind of film buffs, you know, I've heard
stories that we're going to need a bigger boat. Was an ad lib was
improvised, yeah, on the part of Scheider. So if that's the case,
man, perfect. Yeah, he should have trademarked that phrase.
And kind of like Pat Riley, kind of like Pat Riley's done with
the term three peat. Yes, you know he's got the trademark on
that. Yeah, Roy Scheider should have trademarked. You're going
to need a bigger boat.
It's funny, you mentioned the challenges they had a movie were
what made the movie so great, because of the shark breaking
down, like all the scenes that Spielberg wanted to show the
monster, but couldn't, so he had to rely on he was a huge, I
believe he was a huge fan of Hitchcock, and Hitchcock was
always a big proponent of not revealing the monster until the
right time. So you could only see the effects of the monster.
You couldn't see the monster like the beginning of the movie,
where she's getting pulled around. It's terrifying, because
it is, you know, you're in the water, the camera angles of
being at water level and like, how you could hear the water,
yeah, go into your ears and above, like that kind of effect.
That was, that's the genius of that movie, yes, as the fact
that you could, they could. It didn't work, but it made the
movie so
good. Oh, yeah. And we can't, we can't talk about the greatness
of that film without talking about John Williams music. Oh,
was that not? And of course, I think he is the greatest film
score. I mean, there's some other good ones out there, Tony
Conti and some others,
but Danny Elfman soldier, yeah,
but that, that music did that, not did that, not set the tone.
Oh, that film, it did. I mean, it's hard to imagine Jaws
without
it, and you can't and the the actors they got, I mean,
Richard. Ciphers. Robert Shaw was the one that really stole
it. Oh yeah, my god. I love that scene where he come when they're
talking about getting the shark, and he takes his fingers,
not only that, he drew a picture of the shark on the chalkboard
with the little boy in the shark's mouth. Yes, it's like,
do that some call
that is cold.
I'll get you shark the head, the
whole damn thing. Yeah. Well, you know, surviving my life a
lot more than that.
Chief Robert Shaw was, was a renowned alcoholic, and he was
drunk for many, you know, many days of filming, and they had to
delay things to get him sober. You know the speech about the
Indianapolis when they're all sitting there, and, yeah, kind
of bonding, if you will, in the in the scene as great scene.
Supposedly, they tried filming that, and he was sloshed, and
they just said cut. And they just stopped, and Robert Shaw
apparently apologized to Spielberg and said, Man, you
know, let's try that again. And, and supposedly, from things I've
read, that that whole scene was Shaw reciting that story was,
was kind of ad libbed. That's where I heard as well, you know,
that he didn't follow the script, that he just kind of
went free form with it. And one of the more impactful scenes of
the film, oh, it was especially when you realize that Richard
Dreyfus, who didn't care for the, you know, his character,
didn't care for the guy, you know, for Quinn, yeah, but
you've seen, you see sympathy and and, and some in respect,
yeah, come into his eyes when he realized that, like, you know,
he's seen some things, yeah, the drive. His character says you
were on the Indianapolis, yes, you know. And shiners, character
is like, what's that? And then Shaw goes into the into the
story. But you're right, Jim. I mean, a perfect film in so many
ways. Oh, yeah. Great performances, great script, you
know, the Peter Benchley novel that was a huge hit that became
a film. So there was a lot of hype about the film, because the
book was so popular, right?
And so and it's so different from the book. Yeah, the book
is, it's like, night and day,
yeah. I don't recall whether I read that or not back back then,
but Cooper
was a much different character, really. Yeah, he gets killed in
the story, he has an affair with Brody's wife, and he's, like,
really tall and svelte and, like, demure. So he's not
Richard drive. Oh no. They made Hooper's character very likable
in the movie. In the book, he is not likable at all.
Yeah, that's always the case, though. Books are never quite
like the movie. No, it was like the firm,
yes, yeah. Spielberg just said, Thanks for the idea. Take it
from here. Yeah. And Benchley actually makes it a cameo,
right, as a news reporter.
GREAT film. And 50 years old, you know, I think back when I
was a kid, you know, in the 70s, you know, 50 year old movies
would have been silent films.
They would have now it's the Exorcist,
you know it so, you know, it's great that you can still go back
and enjoy these 50 and 60 year old movies and some that are
older than that. Now, you know, I enjoy a lot of the the film
noir movies, you know, the black and white stuff with Robert
Mitchum and all that, Alan Ladd, you know, the black and white
stuff from back in the 40s and 50s is really when that film
noir stuff really took over, yeah, but I go on Netflix and
Amazon Prime and whatnot and look up those kind of there are
some great stories, great movies. Oh, there's a ton of
back in, you know, the black and white stuff, when those the
lighting design people were just geniuses at lighting the black
and white, oh yeah, films, well, I find that stuff fascinating.
I do too. One thing I really miss about that era of Hollywood
was that the stars were, I think, more glamorous than they
are today, especially the actresses. I mean, when you
think of Carole Lombard, you think of Jane Russell,
Rita Hayworth was just Oh
yes. Sophia Loren,
you know, Lauren Bacall, to me, was something sexy about her? Oh
my gosh, yeah.
They just seem to have more of a glamor about them that is kind
of missing today.
Well, that, you know, let's face it, that was back in a time when
there was no debate about what a woman was,
feel like being a woman. You are,
yes, man, I feel like a woman. Yeah.
The some of those, those glamor babes back then were. And of
course, you know, I'm probably being thought of right now as a
sexist for using the term babe, but they were, I'm sorry. Well,
we'll get the comments Well, and, you know, and, and, darn
it, you know, men were men. That's right, real men, that's
right. John Wayne Bogart, you know Gary grant, and you know
Judy, Judy, Judy Gary grant, but, but, no, you know, I don't
know. I just really did enjoy the the films back then, and I
make a point to go watch that stuff. And a lot of them are
like, you know, they're 80 minutes long, yeah? No, they're
not long at all, but they develop the character. There's a
story there. Bam, you know? And you get, you cut to the chase,
and it's a pretty satisfying experience. How many films have
we watched over the years that were, like, three hours long?
Oh, and you say to yourself, Okay, it's an okay film. But,
you know, they could have cut an hour out of this exactly and and
not prolonged. What the message they were trying to
tell? Oh, yeah. In fact, there's a what was the movie that
recently came out? I can't Oppenheimer. Oh, yeah, I loved
Oppenheimer. But, my God, it was long.
Was long one, yeah, it was, it moved, though
it did move, yeah, I have to give it credit, because I and it
I never, I never. I mean, it did see, once I got done with it,
was like, wow, there went my day. But, but it was good. I
mean, it was a very good movie.
My father took us to see the last emperor when we were kids,
when you're little
kids like that, things like, I know, or like, Lawrence of
Arabia, Peter O'Toole,
yes. But I remember, like, I had that kind of moment with my son.
I said we were going to go to the movies, and he and I were,
he and I were going to go, what do you want to see? Oppenheimer?
Seriously, wow. He's like, Yeah, I want to go see him. All right.
I said, this is, like, my last emperor for you. But okay, let's
go. And he enjoyed it. Yeah? It was a good movie. It's, it had a
good flow, yeah?
Yeah. And it is interesting. I mean, there are some films that
are in an hour and a half and they seem like they're two days
long, Oh, yeah. And then others that are three hours or what
have you. And you thoroughly enjoyed it. It just goes right
on by, yeah, you know, if there's a story to tell that
warrants three hours, I'm all for it, you know, but sometimes
the story just doesn't warrant that. So why? I don't know why.
Like a Yoko Ono film,
there is one. Oh,
there's several, really, oh, yeah. I watched an old only
fans, yeah. Well, I watched it. I watched a Dick Cavett with
John and Yoko on it. They showed a they showed one of her movies.
All it was was a fly crawling on a woman's body. I don't know
what the significance was, but it was really, yeah, it was, and
what killed me was the audience when it came because I'm sitting
there watching it, going, Is this ever gonna Yeah, the hell
are we watching? I mean, for one thing, Dick, you're, you're,
you're using too long of a clip. I mean, it could have been
quicker, yeah, man, when they come back, everybody's, yeah,
you know. And rather, were they doing
this? Yeah, you must admit that Dick caveman had some of the
most greatest guests. Oh, he did. And really got people to
open up and talk about things that he's almost like the
modern day Graham Norton, you know, he wouldn't or Graham
Norton's a modern day dick. Kevin, rather,
you know, was it like, you know, Carson, you know, whom I loved.
I thought Carson, he was great. But, you know, people came on
that show and they talked about their movie that it right, but
with Dick Cavett, you know, Robert Mitchum had like, a full
hour or something with Dick Cavett and was, it was the most
revealing interview. First of all, he didn't want to be there.
He was there. George Harrison, yeah, he didn't want to be
there, but he was so matter of fact and open and honest in his
you know, I think it's the only interview where Mitchum ever
really opened up, because he was one of those anti Hollywood guys
didn't like being a movie star, right? You know, in Cabot would
ask him. So, you know, you get into your story and become the
character. And Mitchum says, you know, I just show up and I hit
my mark and I make believe. What's so tough about that, you
know, rather than, you know, some of these actors who make it
sound like they're solving the world's problems, their their
craft is one that totally can be achieved by being so serious.
Mitchum is like, yeah, I show up. I hit my mark, I recite the
line, memorize the lines, I show up, I go home. They pay me. And
that's all that really is required well.
And what was really interesting is, I watched a Dick Cavett with
George Harrison, and he didn't want to be there either. He just
said, I have nothing to talk about. I really don't know why
I'm here. But what was interesting they showed this
girl from the audience that was talking to Cabot before he gets
George Harrison. An out. It was May Pang the gal that ended up
with John Lennon during his lost weekend when he left Yoko for or
Yoko kicked him out of the house, basically, and sent him
on his way to LA. But I thought, wow, that's interesting. May
pay. He had
a type. Yeah, he did,
you know, I guess Dick Cavett still around. And yes, he is.
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