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big fan of Phil's show, Phil

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Valentine's show, he told me on
the phone. He said, You know,

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you guys changed me. And I said,
How was that? He said I was

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looking for a music on the
radio. He said I was very

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liberal. I turned to your
station. He said, I heard this

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really cool Steve Earle song. He
says, pretty deep cut, and he

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said, and all of a sudden I
started hearing Phil talk, and

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he said I was disagreeing with
him, but I noticed that I

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couldn't turn away. And I kept
listening. And he said I kept

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noticing the music was really
cool. And he said, and all of a

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sudden I noticed, the longer I
stayed with the show, I was

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starting to change my mind, and
he said, I totally went the

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other direction. He said it was
all because of you guys,

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interesting, and that was very
that touched me.

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Welcome to a podcast about music
and entertainment before it all

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goes down the disposal. This is
circling the drain.

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Hey, welcome back into circling
the drain, the podcast that

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tries to keep the entertainment
business maybe ourselves from

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going down the garbage disposal.
My name is Johnny Beale or John

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E Bozeman, right over here.
We've got my man. Jay Harper,

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yes, I'm trying to avoid the
drain here today. Johnny B

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and A man that does, he does

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avoid the drain, right? Jim,
well, he's kind of in charge of

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the drain.

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So, yes, he is. He's in charge
of the disposal. He can put us

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down the

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disposal, right? He's the drain
keeper, the drain gatekeeper.

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I am adding that to my LinkedIn
profile. As you speak,

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glad I could be of service.

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And by the way, you definitely
want to follow us on all the

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YouTube

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and betcha, we're on YouTube. We
are on Facebook. Of course, the

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podcast come out every Wednesday
morning. Yes, and we also have

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Twitter feed, and we're on
Instagram. So all of the social

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media platforms now, you know
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rumble and some of these other
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Have no clue how they work. So
we're not we're not there. I

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don't know. We may never end up
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frackle? What the frack are you
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still around? Yeah, yeah. Is it
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and whenever I want to feel like
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there and log in. Oh, gosh, it's
one of those. It's like, you go

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and you log in and check out,
and you're like, Oh, I feel

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dirty though.

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Well, speaking up, we could
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fans only. Yeah, we could only
fans, or whatever.

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Only fans. That's what it is.
Only fans, that's what it is.

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Well, heck, let's get started

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on it. Have

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you seen the derivatives of it
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like a problem. Why did I think

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that's a great derivative about
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podcasters. There you go. Yeah,
guys that are out of shape, like

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we're glad to have you in for
this episode. I want to cover a

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few things we've had. Some
people basically want to tell us

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that we missed a lot of
musicians that became actors, or

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at least tried to or tried to.
And one was and very

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interesting. I always say that,
but it is interesting. Yes, it

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is Randy Travis,

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you know. And I really, I know
that he was in some things prior

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to his, you know, his medical
issues, yes, but I don't recall

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what they were. I mean, do you
know exactly what

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you know? I don't remember. I
don't recall the Yeah, I have

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seen him because my wife watches
a lot of things that I don't

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really care for, right? That you
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now, see my My wife hates that
stuff, so I'm good there, but

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what she likes to what she's
always watching are these crime

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shows, you know, the real life
crime things on, you know,

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investigation, discovery and the
oxygen channel, and they always

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seem to be these stories about
how These women murdered their

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husbands.

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homework? Like, yeah, exactly,
you know what? Why are you

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taking notes over there? What
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watching these shows. So, yeah,
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Well, I think we all do. And,
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know, I've always, it's always
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show. Well, I do too. I mean, I
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roped into, yeah, you know,
where the date lines and the,

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you know, 20, what? 48 hours,
those guys, those 2020, those

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investigative shows. You know, I
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been 48 hours. Was that what it
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would always surprise the guy,
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kitchen table, and, you know,
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48 one of those. One of those,
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was chasing the the pedophiles?
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pedophile profiles on some of
these scenes, and you know, the

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guy would show up, you know, to
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baby oil in a box of condoms

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and a bottle of wine, yes, To
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out would pop. I forget the
guy's name. Yeah, did. Though, I

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know there's Jim looking it up
for us, but you know, he would

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confront the guy in the you
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he's in the kitchen, and out
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Chris Hanson, yeah. So Hi, I'm
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what brings you here with a
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condoms

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and a cat of nine tails, I'm not
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to get out of here, though. This
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hey, I'm here to protect this
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reason I showed up.

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I and then the guy would try to
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police.

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Have you ever want to see what
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life flashes before their eyes?

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Man, I'm Chris Hanson,

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life is over like when Mike
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people, you know,

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pop in when they would see Mike
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as you say, Johnny the My life
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Oh, God, everything,

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yeah. I mean, was that dude a
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He was really, he was really
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imagine, you know, what he would
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or, you know, in terms of, like,
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to serve that guy, yeah, yeah.
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wouldn't want him to give you a
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on you. No, no,

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yeah, you would have to make
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the way it's supposed to be. But
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person that reminded me that,
Travis tritt, yeah, country

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singer, very good singer, by the
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Yes, he was in some western
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and he also played a, I don't
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he, like, played this doctor
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so that was Dr Demento, yeah, I

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didn't know that Travis. Didn't
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when I was a little kid. Man,
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radio show.

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Dr Demento, we talked about
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at the big ape UAP and

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what a doodle. Everyone, yeah,
very big Lisa, That's

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old school, right? Well, that is
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radio, right there.

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But, but, you know, Johnny, we,
you know, we love those comments

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that we get, you know, we do
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missed, or, you know,
suggestions like, hey, you know

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Johnny and Jay and Jim, your
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Why don't you talk about that?
Hey, we want to hear that.

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Yes, we do. We respond to you.
And I also want to respond to

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some folks that have come up to
me. I haven't really, I've not

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seen this on social media, but I
get it in person, they'll go,

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why aren't you talking about
politics? John, yeah, why aren't

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you talking Why aren't you
talking politics? Boy, well,

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frankly, I did it for so long
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on Oh, and it's, it's easy to
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know, it is such a divisive
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Johnny and I have, you know, we
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about, and before this circling
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fruition, right? Johnny and I
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discussions about what should we
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determine, you know, there are
so many sources for the

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political debate out there,

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Facebook, Twitter and not, and
not just political pundits.

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Everybody is a political pundit.

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You know, talk radio. You know,
there are all sorts of places

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for that stuff. And like you
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we kind of get beaten over the
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social media and whatnot. So for
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respite from all that stuff,

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exactly. It's more fun at this
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have a little fun.

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You and me both. Yeah, you

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know, the reason. Recent events
with the assassination of

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Charlie Kirk, which is certainly
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all you see on social media now.
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it's, you know, it's an
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people on both sides of the
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what upset me, and I wasn't
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so much I did, like the fact
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that's what I miss in talk radio
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getting or even policy dialog,
yeah, just dialog. It doesn't

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matter if we disagree, right?
Let's, let's, let's debate,

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let's talk. Yeah, and that's
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colleges. And I have to applaud
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almost like Dave Mason, you
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exactly, you know exactly? Why
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myself, and there are people,
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some are family members that are
cheering that this guy got

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assassinated, that I cannot
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if you I mean, there's plenty of
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with. Well, if I, if I saw
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same thing happened to them, I
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course not. Not at all. Just
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doesn't mean that I wish them
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assassination. However, it was
not a politician per se, that

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was struck down. I was a little
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King Jr was assassinated. Was
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something, and I remember
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you know, as a little kid, I
and, of course, no social media,

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so, you know, you didn't get all
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to consume about that issue. But
I can only imagine that it's

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this is probably pretty similar
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side of the political spectrum
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to think that a lot of people
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68 when King was assassinated,
were outraged by that as well.

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public figure that has really
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this Kirk assassination has,
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King, you know, going back 50
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the world. I mean, you saw a lot
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remembering Charlie Kirk, even
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ledger getting terminated by
their employers. Well, you're

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not kidding. You know. I mean,
we have all heard of folks

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expressing conservative and
quote, unquote right wing views

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losing their job right now. You
know, rarely did you hear

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anybody you know, espousing the
leftist stuff and getting fired,

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but they are now, well, on this
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you know, turning point, man,
uh, boy, he named it correctly.

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Yeah, he sure did, but

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they made him I mean it, I have
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becoming even more resonant. I
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flocking to his message,

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and a lot of college campuses
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chapters of the of the turning
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and not only that, but also got
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which was quite astonishing. I
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impact on our society. And you
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pro or anti Charlie Kirk, I
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middle when it comes to him?
There's a few. But yeah, he had

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quite an impact on people.

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He was to speak at the World
outreach church in Murfreesboro.

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Yes, he was here in the in the
near future. So, you know, it

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makes you wonder if, will this
curtail conservatives from

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getting out and speaking in
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this? I don't think so. I think
what needs to happen is there

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needs to be better security.
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appearance was I thought, man,
there's not much.

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Why don't they sweep the
rooftops of these places? I

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don't know what it is about.

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But, you know, lately, but it
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really check rooftops

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anymore. I think he had his own
security detail. Yeah, he

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did, but I think I would have
had something a little more.

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Yes, I'm sure the man probably
had all kinds of death threats

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all the time. You're getting a
word from a lot of conservative

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lawmakers now, Nancy mace comes
to mind, the congresswoman from

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who I used to know when I was
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stuff, because she's the first
female Citadel graduate, yeah.

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But anyway, you know, she has
said that the just the horrible

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death threat. Matter of fact,
she played some of them on

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social media, she recorded some
voicemails that she received, oh

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yeah, just, I'm going to kill
you. I'm going to kill your

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children. I'm going to rape you.
I'm going to just disgusting

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stuff. Oh, it is. And, you know,
she says that she carries, oh

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yeah, you have to. You have to.
I mean, I remember, I was

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working with Phil Valentine. He
got, he got threatened on the

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air by someone with Antifa. I
don't want to give the guy's

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names. I don't want to give him
any any more publicity than he's

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ever had. But, you know, it was
a very strange call, because he

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started out very nice, very
polite, but probably in the

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scope of about two minutes, he
immediately went to, I'm going

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to come down to the station and
I'm going to get you. And I love

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Phil's answer, bring it.

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Thanks for the warning.

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Well, Phil carried

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I wouldn't be challenging.

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Mr. Valentine, well, you know,
Johnny, we say, and I guess this

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discussion we've had thus far
could be deemed political in a

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sense. But as we said, though we
really want to concentrate on,

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you know, just other more
lighthearted things, yes, but by

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the same token, I don't think we
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heavily impactful events. Well,
this one was huge. So I, you

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know, it certainly bears
exploring like we, like we've

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been doing. I think,

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Well, I think, I think what this
what this needs to teach people.

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And I've seen people on the
other side that have been

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horrified by some of the
comments that are out there,

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even John Lennon's son, Sean, I
noticed on Twitter, came out and

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said that even though he didn't
agree with Charlie Kirk. He

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said, You know, there are
children that are fatherless

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right now, his children are
fatherless. His wife doesn't

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have a husband. He said, I lived
through something like this. He

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said, Yeah, that, yeah, you need
to remember that. Yeah. Great

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point. And I think that's what
we need to we need to get back

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to, as we were saying in the
beginning. Let's get back to

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dialog. Let's get back to
there's nothing wrong with

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having a debate with one another
when you don't agree, but keep

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it civilized. There's no reason
to go down the road of, you

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know, wanting to hurt someone,
threatening people, because all

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that tells me is that you've run
out of ammunition. You've run

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out of bullets.

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No pun, no pun intended there,

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yeah, but, but you've just
basically run out of ammunition

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in your

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dialog. You know, Charlie Kirk
left a one year old son and a

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three year old daughter. Well,
it's

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heartbreaking. What? And you
talk about a family that seemed

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to really love one another. I
mean, they really, I mean, the

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guy had everything

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he had. He really embodied his
faith too. Yeah, he did

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31 years old. It's just, yeah,
it's sad.

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But as I said, there is a
positive. He did bring a lot of

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more people to faith. I noticed
that over the weekend after his

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shooting, that, you know, the
churches were full. People were

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really turning to their
religion, even people that

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didn't agree with

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him. Yeah, a lot of vigils out
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celebrating the man's life and
acknowledging his, uh,

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acknowledging his

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statements and his impact on on
society. And, you know, I think

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that's a good thing, I tell you,
though it those kind of big

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gatherings, though they they
still scare me. They shouldn't

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be some other left wing nut
thinking, Hey, man, the boy,

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there's a there's a whole group,
a whole group I can target

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Exactly. Yeah, that's what's
scary. That's what it's come to

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in this country. Well, it is,
and that's one reason I kind of

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gotten burned out on, as I said,
politics. I mean, I loved

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working in talk radio, and it
was a lot of fun for a while,

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but it started not to be,
because I noticed that

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everything was starting to get a
little more. There was more

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static, there was more, you
know, violence, and there wasn't

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debate anymore. It was people
calling each other names,

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screaming at one another. I. I
can't go for

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that. I'm with you. And you
know, the times that I fill in

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on the conservative talk station
here in Nashville, on news, you

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know, I will sit there and
listen to all that stuff from

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our, you know, from the hosts
that are all outstanding at what

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they do. Yes, they are. They're
very good. But I must admit

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that, you know, after a few
days, I'm just like, gosh, I

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couldn't do this every day. Now,
you know, listening to that day,

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and I know a lot of people eat
it up. That's why the station is

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so successful. Here they are,
you know, I filled in as a host

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a couple of times and and I I
talked about the, you know, the

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I know what the audience wants.
They want conservative political

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talk, and I gave him some of
that, but I also I had Dale,

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Darryl Worley and John Barry for
extended segments, and started

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getting complaints, you know, on
the text line, oh, yeah, why are

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you? Why aren't you talking
about Kamala Harris? And again,

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I couldn't do that every day. I
just, I get my gut full of it

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pretty quick.

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Well, that's me, Jay. I mean, I
had the same thing. My wife was

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really pushing me. She goes, You
know, you need to go for your

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own show. And I said, Well, I
would love to, but I don't think

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I would do the show that they
want. Yeah? Day one day out they

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want. They want red meat. Yeah.
I mean, that's all they want.

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They want. They want total
political talk. And I just can't

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do a show

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like, yeah, to me, it gets it
gets exhausting pretty quick.

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Well, it does. You know,

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you see enough, like you said on
Facebook, and Facebook's just a

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big echo chamber. There's no
one. You're not convincing

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anybody. No, you know, you're
not winning anybody over to your

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side. I mean, the thing about
talk radio is that at least you

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can turn tone. You could discern
attitude, things of that nature,

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and a dialog can happen, and
hopefully it's almost face to

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face. You know, you know that's
I always tell people in a

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political argument or discussion
or dialog, do it face to face.

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Exactly we're supposed to do it.

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It was very interesting. There
was a guy that big fan of Phil's

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show, Phil Valentine's show, and
I was talking to him on the

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phone. He was he was dying from
cancer, but he told me on the

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phone, he said, you know, you
guys changed me. And I said, How

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was that? He said I was on the I
was looking for a music on the

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radio. He said I was very
liberal. He said I was looking

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for music on the radio. And he
said, I turned to your station.

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He said I heard this really cool
Steve Earl song. He said I

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recognized it. He says, pretty
deep cut. And he said, I was

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tuned in, and he said, and all
of a sudden I started hearing

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Phil talk, and he said I was
disagreeing with him, but I

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noticed that I couldn't turn
away. And I kept listening. And

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he said, I kept noticing the
music was really cool, and he

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said, and all of a sudden I
noticed, the longer I stayed

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with the show, I was starting to
change my mind. And he said, I

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totally went the other
direction. He said, it was all

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because of you guys interesting,
and that was very that touched

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me.

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Sales, 101, see,

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I lured him in. Everybody always
said, Why are you playing those

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liberals on it. I said, because
that draws people in, right?

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Liberals May, I mean, you can,
you can complain about liberals

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all you want, but they make
great music. Yeah, they not.

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If I played Pat Boone, nobody
would listen.

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And speaking of, you know,
speaking of entertainment, we

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lost great, great actor,
director, he's been in our lives

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probably as long as we've been.

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Oh, absolutely. Robert Redford,
yes. And Charles Robert Redford,

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yeah, Robert was his middle
name. But a long, productive

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life and having quite an impact.
And in other areas, with the,

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you know, the film festivals
that he created that are very

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respected and renowned now. And,
you know, he certainly was left

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leaning very much so. But one of
those guys, though, that you

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knew his stance on stuff, but he
to me anyway, I don't know how

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you fellas feel about it. You
knew that he was a left wing

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liberal, but he didn't try to
really cram it down your throat.

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Well, no, no, he could be
reasonable. I mean, you know, he

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was in the White House once with
George W Bush when he won. I

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forget what the medal is.

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They get presidential, the
president of freedom. Yes,

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something like, which Charlie
Kirk is going to get posthumous.

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Yes, he is from President Trump.

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But yeah, yeah, I thought Robert
Redford was, you know,

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he was, he was also, he's of the
silent generation as well. Yes,

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before the boomers. So I think
that makes. A big difference?

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Well, he was so cool. I remember
the first movie I saw him in

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1969 as Butch Cassidy, yeah,
gosh, he was cool

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in that. And did he and Paul
Newman not have the, I mean,

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some of the best on screen
chemistry with, yeah, with the

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sting and the Butch Cassidy and
Sundance Kid, you know. And I

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really didn't realize how much
older Paul Newman was then,

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then, then Redford. I mean,
yeah, Newman died at age 83 a

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long time ago, yeah, you know.
So yeah. But boy, their on

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stream chemistry was just It was
magical.

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It really was. They were a great
duo. And also, if you ever look

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at look it up on on Google
images or wherever you can. But

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there's some great photos of
Robert Redford when he was in

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Nashville, hanging out with
Waylon and Willie. It was when

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Waylon had shaved off part of
his beard. He just had a

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mustache, and for some reason
he's carrying a book on Adolf

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Hitler. I don't know why.

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I don't know if Robert gave it
to him. So what, what kind, how

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did that mustache look? Uh,
Johnny,

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well, it wasn't the good old,
okay, yeah, all

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right, just, just checking,
yeah. So it wasn't the Charlie

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Chaplin, Adolph Hitler,

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but they, I think they were
having a discussion about doing

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electric horsemen, because
originally, Waylon was supposed

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to be in that with Willie, but
Waylon for some reason,

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well, you know a song by Willie
that came from that film. My

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heroes have always been cowboys.
Yes, I think that's one of

440
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:44,140
Willie's best performances. Oh,
it really was. He just

441
00:26:44,140 --> 00:26:45,040
absolutely nailed

442
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,980
that at midnight. Rider he did
on that too, the That's right,

443
00:26:47,980 --> 00:26:50,620
yeah, and he did a good version
of that. That's right, I've

444
00:26:50,620 --> 00:26:53,800
forgotten about that. That's why
you're Johnny B that's why

445
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,680
you're Jay Harper. That's why
he's Jim McCarthy

446
00:26:57,820 --> 00:26:59,080
or Chris or, yeah,

447
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,740
Chris or whoever. Oh, that's
another thing I have to cover

448
00:27:01,740 --> 00:27:04,800
with you guys. Oh, really, let's
get into some personal stuff

449
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,880
here. Because my sister, which,
you know, it really touched my

450
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,060
heart. My oldest sister, called
me to tell me how much she's

451
00:27:12,060 --> 00:27:15,960
enjoying this podcast. Great.
But she said, John. I said,

452
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:20,480
What? She goes, What's that
fella's name that? I said, Jim

453
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,800
McCarthy, yeah, I keep wanting
to call him Chris. I said, well,

454
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:30,500
it runs in the family. I gotta
tell on you two guys, because I

455
00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:33,320
got to hang out with both of you
away from here.

456
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,720
One was at the

457
00:27:35,900 --> 00:27:40,340
opening of the podcast studio
the East base. Is young, yeah.

458
00:27:40,580 --> 00:27:46,960
And Jim invited both of us, but
Jim, Joe, Joe, Jay couldn't make

459
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:54,220
it. Joe Jay couldn't make that
one, but, but you, but she would

460
00:27:54,220 --> 00:27:58,300
have loved it, Jay, because they
were giving away guitars at this

461
00:27:58,300 --> 00:27:58,540
thing,

462
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,080
they gave away three guitars.

463
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,140
And I thought to myself, my wife
put her card in there. I bet

464
00:28:07,140 --> 00:28:09,840
anything. I'm thinking this to
myself, I bet anything, she's

465
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,620
gonna win one. You willed it
into existence. I did. And when

466
00:28:13,620 --> 00:28:18,120
they announced the last one, she
won it. And you should have seen

467
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:21,260
her, I couldn't touch it. I
said, Honey, do you want me to

468
00:28:21,260 --> 00:28:27,800
hold that for you? No, no, but
yeah, she, she won the guitar,

469
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,480
and it's now in her

470
00:28:29,540 --> 00:28:33,080
Yeah, you had sent me a photo. I
think maybe even you posted that

471
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:38,780
on a photo of your wife just
beaming and, you know, and

472
00:28:38,780 --> 00:28:43,120
looking totally oblivious to
you. And you know, she every

473
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,080
guys weren't there.

474
00:28:44,140 --> 00:28:47,980
Yeah, none of us existed. That
guitar was all that. That was a

475
00:28:47,980 --> 00:28:51,100
fun get together. I appreciated
you inviting us, of course,

476
00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:53,680
yeah, every Graham, we gotta
have those guys on too.

477
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,220
Yeah, yeah. We're trying to
figure figure it out, because

478
00:28:57,340 --> 00:29:00,160
they, all four of them want to
be on. And I'm like, Well, we're

479
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,500
gonna have to do it at your
place. Then, yeah, be tough to

480
00:29:04,620 --> 00:29:07,680
sit everybody around this table.
It only accommodates so many

481
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:08,100
people.

482
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,920
People be sitting on laps that
might

483
00:29:10,919 --> 00:29:14,219
start rumors. So have you gotten
any other comments from family

484
00:29:14,219 --> 00:29:16,319
members on the podcast?

485
00:29:16,860 --> 00:29:18,900
I have not. That's been the only
family

486
00:29:18,899 --> 00:29:22,639
member that I think my wife is
loving it. She is just thinking

487
00:29:22,639 --> 00:29:26,299
it's so much fun, which, you
know, I'm glad she feels that

488
00:29:26,299 --> 00:29:30,139
way. And, you know, she's and
Jim, perhaps you're the same

489
00:29:30,139 --> 00:29:32,539
way. I think a lot of husbands
are, you know, you know, when

490
00:29:32,539 --> 00:29:36,319
your wife kind of approves of
things, it feels good. Yeah.

491
00:29:36,319 --> 00:29:39,559
It's like, well, you know, maybe
I'm not the bumbling idiot she

492
00:29:39,619 --> 00:29:43,179
thinks I am most of the time. So
it's like, you know, part of

493
00:29:43,179 --> 00:29:47,499
something that you like
something, when you're part of

494
00:29:47,499 --> 00:29:48,879
something cool, and

495
00:29:50,500 --> 00:29:54,400
you happen to go to bed at
night, it's kind of all of a

496
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:54,940
sudden,

497
00:29:54,940 --> 00:29:59,200
you hear this in the background.
We have, I'm on a podcast. Yes,

498
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,600
let's go right to. On the drink,

499
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,640
somebody order a pizza? Yeah,

500
00:30:04,020 --> 00:30:04,860
here's your pizza.

501
00:30:06,780 --> 00:30:10,680
What a pepperoni with that did
anyway, also

502
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,480
the little Italian sausage.

503
00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:20,120
Well before things, my wife does
like the podcast as well. In

504
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:25,100
fact, she she's constantly
turning people on to show them,

505
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,800
tell them how to get there, and
all that.

506
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,640
My wife has done that too, and I
must say this, Johnny, yes, you

507
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,400
know. And we keep saying we're
going to do this, and we will.

508
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,880
We're going to get the four of
us, and perhaps Jim and his wife

509
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,980
as well, get, get all of us
together for a dinner or

510
00:30:39,980 --> 00:30:40,400
something.

511
00:30:40,460 --> 00:30:44,140
We need to because I got to meet
Jim's wife. Yeah, I got to meet

512
00:30:44,140 --> 00:30:48,040
Jim's wife at the get together
in Brentwood where Glenna won

513
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:48,580
the guitar.

514
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,200
Well, she's great, my wife, you
know, again, she hasn't met you

515
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:59,260
in person yet, but she said,
Johnny, he's adorable. She

516
00:30:59,260 --> 00:31:04,020
thinks you're adorable. Wow. And
let me tell you, that's you have

517
00:31:04,020 --> 00:31:05,940
passed some tough muster there.

518
00:31:06,060 --> 00:31:09,360
Even my wife doesn't say that.
She doesn't call me adorable.

519
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,880
Courtney has said that, not
adorable, but she instantly

520
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,460
liked you, which says a lot.
She's a hugely discerning

521
00:31:14,460 --> 00:31:17,520
person. Well, I really liked
her. You have a great wife.

522
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,920
Thank you. And one of the things
that I'm going to give to you

523
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,180
guys is this really works. This
is great.

524
00:31:23,180 --> 00:31:28,040
Marketing. Oh, I like that.
Yeah, this people will ask

525
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,300
you, and it's like, my I gave it
to my wife, and she's like, What

526
00:31:32,300 --> 00:31:33,080
do I say?

527
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,440
Really? All you got to do, what
school you in that?

528
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,540
Yeah, yes. What's the answer?
Like?

529
00:31:43,540 --> 00:31:46,600
Send them to the the site on the
back, and everything's right

530
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:46,960
there.

531
00:31:47,020 --> 00:31:51,400
So, well, I do have another
family member I should he's

532
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,540
actually a surgeon up in New
Jersey. My on my wife's side,

533
00:31:56,140 --> 00:31:59,740
he's an in law. But this guy
just loves the podcast, and his

534
00:31:59,740 --> 00:32:03,060
wife loves it more so. So, yeah,
that's

535
00:32:03,300 --> 00:32:05,160
because you're You're adorable.

536
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,300
That's debatable. But anyway,
with Jay, I got to hang out at

537
00:32:12,300 --> 00:32:16,980
the big Music City Grand Prix
Over at the National Speedway,

538
00:32:16,980 --> 00:32:21,000
empty car race. Man, that was
cool. Was that cool? Or why?

539
00:32:21,060 --> 00:32:23,900
What's my but I gotta tell you,
Jay, I gotta tell this story,

540
00:32:23,900 --> 00:32:28,640
because really, guys, we got in
the wrong business. You know, we

541
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,720
got into broadcasting thinking
we're gonna get girls. We got

542
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,160
girls, all right, but you should
see, I couldn't believe he took

543
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,980
me down to the pit, and all I
saw were these young blonde

544
00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:47,020
girls wearing belly shirts and
very short shorts with cowboy

545
00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:47,260
boots,

546
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:52,180
either that or those. You know,
the leggings that yes, hug every

547
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:53,440
every end of Yeah,

548
00:32:53,740 --> 00:32:57,400
the Lulu lemons, yes, yes, but
the Ba, ba, boom on the side,

549
00:32:57,399 --> 00:32:59,679
yes, that are like 200 bucks a
pair. Yeah,

550
00:32:59,860 --> 00:33:04,620
yeah. But anyway, we're going up
to the the big, the big, number

551
00:33:04,620 --> 00:33:05,100
one racer.

552
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:09,360
What was his name? Alex below.
He is a Spaniard, but he, Well,

553
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,720
no wonder he was getting so many
Yes, he's the IndyCar champion

554
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,940
for like, the fourth year in a
row or something like that.

555
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,780
All you had around this guy were
these girls I was talking about.

556
00:33:18,780 --> 00:33:22,220
They all these blondes with the
short shorts and the belly

557
00:33:22,220 --> 00:33:27,740
shirts and the cowboy boots, one
hot looking Latino girl posing

558
00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:30,980
with him getting a selfie, and
who comes in right behind her to

559
00:33:30,980 --> 00:33:34,640
get a selfie? Jay Harper,
absolutely amongst all the

560
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,620
babes. Yeah, here's Jay Harper,

561
00:33:36,620 --> 00:33:42,100
I have never been a geek germ to
you know. You know, being around

562
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:44,800
artists and stuff over the
years, you know, and nobody

563
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,960
said, I've never been star
struck, except with Glen

564
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,020
Campbell and Roger Miller. They
those are two exceptions for me.

565
00:33:50,020 --> 00:33:54,340
But anyway, Heck, yeah, I I saw
the guy was standing there. He

566
00:33:54,340 --> 00:33:58,240
was being very cordial and nice
and allowing photos and stuff.

567
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:03,300
So, yeah, man, I'm muscle in
there got me a selfie with Alex

568
00:34:03,300 --> 00:34:08,040
pillow, you know, when I posted
that to the IndyCar Facebook

569
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,040
page, yes, you know, a cool
experience at the, you know,

570
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,920
posted some other photos along
with the one with Alex pillow,

571
00:34:13,980 --> 00:34:17,280
and he got like, two or 300
likes on the, on the, you know,

572
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,920
and all these great comments and
stuff. So I, yeah, I didn't. I

573
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,700
didn't get lambasted by people
saying, Did you? Were you the

574
00:34:25,700 --> 00:34:28,460
guy that pushed me out of the
way to get a picture with Alex

575
00:34:28,460 --> 00:34:30,740
below? Yes, he's the one that
pushed all the boobs out of the

576
00:34:30,740 --> 00:34:31,040
way

577
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,559
to pose? Yeah?

578
00:34:33,620 --> 00:34:34,880
Like, oh gosh, pardon

579
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:37,760
me. Of women,

580
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:43,540
Hey, I've never seen my face
slapped, so I guess I didn't

581
00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:44,500
offend too many people,

582
00:34:44,500 --> 00:34:46,240
like the jaws of the racetrack.

583
00:34:48,699 --> 00:34:51,219
But I must admit, you know, I'd
never been to a car race, an

584
00:34:51,219 --> 00:34:55,599
IndyCar race, before. That was
your first time. Yes, and I just

585
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:59,079
wanted to go. And I must thank
you. Know a friend of mine,

586
00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:03,779
Molly Abel. Whose Son or Son?
Good grief, her brother. Her

587
00:35:03,779 --> 00:35:08,939
brother was one of the racers.
Yes, he was Jacob Abel was a

588
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:14,339
racer in the race. Anyway, she
invited me for their hospitality

589
00:35:14,339 --> 00:35:16,919
and stuff, and that was cool
being able to get out of the

590
00:35:16,919 --> 00:35:19,499
heat and go hang in their tent
and have some free beverages.

591
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:22,279
Oh, free food. So I do have to
thank her, but yeah, that was

592
00:35:22,279 --> 00:35:25,999
one of the coolest experiences
I've had. And I've always wanted

593
00:35:25,999 --> 00:35:29,719
to go to the Indy 500 and me
too, of course, you know the

594
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,239
tickets are like, you know,
getting McCartney tickets in

595
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,359
terms of price. Well, that's the
truth, you know. But one day,

596
00:35:35,359 --> 00:35:38,239
darn it, I'm going to get up to
the Indy 500 but yeah, that what

597
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:38,599
a cool

598
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,980
experience that was. And she
was, by the way, what a sweet

599
00:35:41,980 --> 00:35:42,340
lady.

600
00:35:42,340 --> 00:35:46,240
Yeah, yeah. I used to, she used
to be my assistant at a at a

601
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:51,220
job, and, yeah, she is. It's
just perplexing why she's still

602
00:35:51,220 --> 00:35:52,240
single, isn't it?

603
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:55,420
Johnny B Well, when you told me
that I thought this, there's

604
00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:57,820
something wrong with this
equation. No kidding. Yeah,

605
00:35:57,820 --> 00:36:01,500
she's a catch. Well, she's very
smart. She's very lovely, very,

606
00:36:01,500 --> 00:36:02,640
very nice person.

607
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,420
Yeah, yeah. But yeah, that was
and I was glad to that you were

608
00:36:06,420 --> 00:36:08,460
able to join me there. Johnny B,
yeah, it was fun.

609
00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:11,820
And what was really good about
it? The weather was great. It

610
00:36:11,820 --> 00:36:16,260
wasn't, you know, 95 degrees
with a 97% humidity, which it

611
00:36:16,260 --> 00:36:17,520
usually is in August.

612
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,520
And, yeah, this was the 30th and
the 31st Yes, it was nice. So,

613
00:36:22,580 --> 00:36:24,980
but yeah, I'm glad you were able
to join me. We had a

614
00:36:24,980 --> 00:36:29,480
large time. It was fun. Yeah,
good time. I gotta hang I'm

615
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:33,620
really gonna thank you guys for
for the good time. Yeah, and

616
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,160
even though I don't get to touch
the guitar, I can't even look

617
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:41,260
at, you know, she's like, she's
like, the Christopher Guest, you

618
00:36:41,260 --> 00:36:44,260
know, spinal spinal tap where he
says, Don't even look at it.

619
00:36:44,260 --> 00:36:47,800
Don't even touch it. You know,
spinal tap two is out now. Yes,

620
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,520
it is. I want to see it. I have,
yeah, I have yet to see it. I've

621
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:52,060
seen, I've not

622
00:36:52,060 --> 00:36:54,820
seen any reviews for Have you
Jim, I have not, yeah, don't

623
00:36:54,820 --> 00:36:56,860
know if it's being panned or
what have you, but you know, a

624
00:36:56,860 --> 00:37:00,120
lot of films that do get panned,
I end up like, do you really pay

625
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,980
attention to reviews all that
much.

626
00:37:01,980 --> 00:37:04,440
I don't anymore if it's
something I really want to see,

627
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,800
you know, I mean, it's a lot of
stuff I see. Is Marvel stuff

628
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,640
so well, I saw so many
contradicting reviews on that

629
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,020
last Superman movie. Yeah, I did
too. Others saying it was woke

630
00:37:16,020 --> 00:37:21,620
and all this stuff, right? And
others saying it was they hated

631
00:37:21,620 --> 00:37:27,020
the dog, or, I don't know, but
I've not seen that, that film.

632
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,040
Now, see, I'm real bad about the
because I love dinosaurs. Always

633
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,000
have, ever since I was a child.
Yeah, me too. And I want to see

634
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,300
the New Jurassic World. I'm one
of those geeks you know, that

635
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:39,020
wants to see it.

636
00:37:39,020 --> 00:37:42,580
That's your thing. Man, running
for it is, I am, and I was like

637
00:37:42,580 --> 00:37:46,180
me with the Marvel stuff. I had
no idea I'd be that into it at

638
00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:46,780
this age.

639
00:37:47,260 --> 00:37:52,180
Oh, it's me. Yeah, I'm that way
too with Batman. I love Batman.

640
00:37:53,140 --> 00:37:53,740
Always have.

641
00:37:53,860 --> 00:37:57,820
Who was your favorite actor
portraying Batman thus far?

642
00:37:57,820 --> 00:38:02,400
That's a good question. I think
I did like Christian Bale, but I

643
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,380
actually liked Michael Keaton
the best.

644
00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:06,780
I think Ben Affleck did a good
job.

645
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,340
Yeah,

646
00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:13,020
he did. I think, you know, I saw
all of the bad reviews of him,

647
00:38:13,020 --> 00:38:16,740
but I think he got they had,
they had a good thing going.

648
00:38:16,740 --> 00:38:23,000
Yeah, I think that was unfair. I
do too of Affleck criticism, but

649
00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:24,800
I like Val Kilmer.

650
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,400
I know my wife really liked Val
Kilmer.

651
00:38:30,140 --> 00:38:31,640
She constantly remembers

652
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,500
I thought he was adorable. Yeah,

653
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,920
you know, Johnny, if you put on
those leather pants that Val

654
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,360
Kilmer war in Batman. I don't
think it'd be the same effect.

655
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,200
Well, see, that's, that's what
my wife always reminds me of

656
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,280
when that film comes up. Was Val
Kilmer in the, oh, yeah, the

657
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,840
leather butt in the leather

658
00:38:52,839 --> 00:38:54,939
pants, yeah? Because they made a
big close up

659
00:38:54,940 --> 00:38:58,120
of that, yeah, exactly, yeah,
yeah. I'm surprised she hasn't,

660
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,160
like, had that, you know, lifted
from the film and make a big,

661
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,400
you know, poster out casting,
yeah, put it on the wall or

662
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,520
something. Yeah. She is so
enamored, enamored with

663
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,040
that. Well, I think the
cameraman on the first Jurassic

664
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:15,000
Park was, uh, enamored with
Laura derns rearing. Because if

665
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,640
you ever watch that movie, it
was like, Okay, there's another

666
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,140
shot of Laura walking in this
with her shorts. You know, it

667
00:39:21,140 --> 00:39:23,600
was like, the cameraman is
really into Laura.

668
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:27,800
Wasn't, wasn't horrible. That
was a Spielberg decision,

669
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,920
because I think he did the same
thing with Kate Capshaw in the

670
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,100
second in Raiders movie, yeah,
who? He ended up marrying him.

671
00:39:34,100 --> 00:39:37,340
We married, that's right, yeah.
And, of course, Amy Irving,

672
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:38,600
because he was,

673
00:39:39,020 --> 00:39:41,800
Oh, she was very attractive,
yeah. She was in no Miller

674
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:45,040
Nelson movie that married to her
honeysuckle rose. That's right.

675
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,800
And I, you know, even though
Willie wasn't a great actor, I

676
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:48,820
did like that movie

677
00:39:48,940 --> 00:39:52,000
as you get Did you guys see the
RE release of jaws? We went and

678
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:52,300
saw it

679
00:39:52,660 --> 00:39:54,100
in the theater. No, no,

680
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:58,420
I did not. I had to. I had to.
You just had it was, well, the

681
00:39:58,420 --> 00:40:01,680
most perfect movie ever made.
Yeah, that was a great movie.

682
00:40:02,460 --> 00:40:04,980
Yeah, it certainly, you know,
and I've seen it, perhaps you

683
00:40:04,980 --> 00:40:08,820
fellas have as well the, you
know, since it's the 50th

684
00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:11,160
anniversary year of that film,
there have been some of these

685
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,180
documentaries out there on the
making of it, making of jaws,

686
00:40:15,180 --> 00:40:19,440
and Spielberg, his interviews
and the documentaries, you know,

687
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,880
he said, I thought my career was
over that this was that film was

688
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,980
such a disaster in terms of it
being over budget and taking so

689
00:40:27,980 --> 00:40:33,500
long, and the shark, damn shark,
wouldn't work, and a variety of

690
00:40:33,500 --> 00:40:39,740
other other issues. And he said
he literally, not figuratively,

691
00:40:39,740 --> 00:40:43,720
but literally almost had a
nervous breakdown over it all

692
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:47,980
during the making of that film.
Wow. And he swore he would never

693
00:40:47,980 --> 00:40:50,680
work again, that his name was
going to be mud in Hollywood

694
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,180
with the producers and whatnot,
film studio heads and so forth.

695
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:56,980
Boy, did he get that wrong?

696
00:40:56,980 --> 00:41:01,320
Boy, he sure did. He owns it
now. What was really bizarre. I

697
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,280
was in Georgia one time. Tell
this story. I was at a gas

698
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,420
station. I think that's around
Noonan, Georgia, where I think

699
00:41:09,420 --> 00:41:14,040
Alan Jackson came from. But I
was at this gas station. This

700
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,000
woman comes up, she goes, Can I
ask you a question? I said, Yes,

701
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:24,260
ma'am. Are you? Steven
Spielberg, why? Yes, yes, I am.

702
00:41:24,260 --> 00:41:26,600
I did that. Yes. I am

703
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,440
going to shoot a movie down
here.

704
00:41:30,740 --> 00:41:34,400
I can remember seeing when I saw
JAWS for the first time, it was

705
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:38,240
at a theater in New Orleans down
on Canal Street, the joy

706
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:41,560
theater, you know, one of those
grand old theaters from way back

707
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:45,100
when. Don't know if the joy is
still operable or what, but

708
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:49,600
anyway, this is 1975 I remember
going to see the film there, and

709
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,800
as we were walking out of the
film, there was a teenage girl,

710
00:41:53,860 --> 00:41:57,100
I'm assuming, with her
boyfriend. They are walking out,

711
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:02,820
and she had a huge urine stain
on the back of her. Wow, pants.

712
00:42:03,180 --> 00:42:09,120
This girl had wet herself seeing
that film. That the only part of

713
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,020
jaws that kind of spooked me a
little bit is when Richard

714
00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:17,760
Dreyfus is swimming, you know,
in the scuba gear, and they're

715
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,440
investigating a boat that was
just Ben Gardner's boat

716
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:26,360
abandoned, right? And, you know,
when he came up to the hole in

717
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,780
the boat and that head popped
out of there? Yes, that did make

718
00:42:29,780 --> 00:42:30,980
me jump. That made me

719
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:36,800
jump. And also the scene with
Roy Scheider when he's chumming

720
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:36,860
the

721
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,560
blood and the, you know, the
right before the line, of all

722
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:42,880
lines, yeah,

723
00:42:44,140 --> 00:42:47,200
the head comes out of the water
that that kind of well.

724
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:53,140
And the reaction from Scheider
yes was so perfect. I don't know

725
00:42:53,140 --> 00:42:57,220
how many times they filmed that
scene, oh, he snaps up, yeah,

726
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,200
when he snaps up, and yeah, one
of the greatest lines ever,

727
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,560
which I've heard conflicting
stories. I mean, I know Jim, you

728
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,140
guys are both kind of film
buffs, you know, I've heard

729
00:43:07,140 --> 00:43:10,740
stories that we're going to need
a bigger boat. Was an ad lib was

730
00:43:10,740 --> 00:43:15,180
improvised, yeah, on the part of
Scheider. So if that's the case,

731
00:43:15,180 --> 00:43:18,540
man, perfect. Yeah, he should
have trademarked that phrase.

732
00:43:18,540 --> 00:43:22,640
And kind of like Pat Riley, kind
of like Pat Riley's done with

733
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,900
the term three peat. Yes, you
know he's got the trademark on

734
00:43:26,900 --> 00:43:29,780
that. Yeah, Roy Scheider should
have trademarked. You're going

735
00:43:29,780 --> 00:43:30,740
to need a bigger boat.

736
00:43:30,740 --> 00:43:33,740
It's funny, you mentioned the
challenges they had a movie were

737
00:43:33,740 --> 00:43:37,580
what made the movie so great,
because of the shark breaking

738
00:43:37,580 --> 00:43:41,080
down, like all the scenes that
Spielberg wanted to show the

739
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,740
monster, but couldn't, so he had
to rely on he was a huge, I

740
00:43:44,740 --> 00:43:47,680
believe he was a huge fan of
Hitchcock, and Hitchcock was

741
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:52,360
always a big proponent of not
revealing the monster until the

742
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,660
right time. So you could only
see the effects of the monster.

743
00:43:55,660 --> 00:43:57,940
You couldn't see the monster
like the beginning of the movie,

744
00:43:57,940 --> 00:44:01,440
where she's getting pulled
around. It's terrifying, because

745
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,740
it is, you know, you're in the
water, the camera angles of

746
00:44:04,740 --> 00:44:08,700
being at water level and like,
how you could hear the water,

747
00:44:08,700 --> 00:44:11,880
yeah, go into your ears and
above, like that kind of effect.

748
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,780
That was, that's the genius of
that movie, yes, as the fact

749
00:44:15,780 --> 00:44:19,740
that you could, they could. It
didn't work, but it made the

750
00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:20,840
movie so

751
00:44:20,839 --> 00:44:25,039
good. Oh, yeah. And we can't, we
can't talk about the greatness

752
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:29,719
of that film without talking
about John Williams music. Oh,

753
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:35,419
was that not? And of course, I
think he is the greatest film

754
00:44:35,419 --> 00:44:39,139
score. I mean, there's some
other good ones out there, Tony

755
00:44:39,139 --> 00:44:40,459
Conti and some others,

756
00:44:40,460 --> 00:44:43,300
but Danny Elfman soldier, yeah,

757
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:49,840
but that, that music did that,
not did that, not set the tone.

758
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,380
Oh, that film, it did. I mean,
it's hard to imagine Jaws

759
00:44:53,380 --> 00:44:54,040
without

760
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:59,380
it, and you can't and the the
actors they got, I mean,

761
00:44:59,380 --> 00:45:04,980
Richard. Ciphers. Robert Shaw
was the one that really stole

762
00:45:04,980 --> 00:45:09,480
it. Oh yeah, my god. I love that
scene where he come when they're

763
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,660
talking about getting the shark,
and he takes his fingers,

764
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,180
not only that, he drew a picture
of the shark on the chalkboard

765
00:45:18,180 --> 00:45:21,800
with the little boy in the
shark's mouth. Yes, it's like,

766
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,180
do that some call

767
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:25,880
that is cold.

768
00:45:26,540 --> 00:45:28,100
I'll get you shark the head, the

769
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,840
whole damn thing. Yeah. Well,
you know, surviving my life a

770
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:33,560
lot more than that.

771
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:38,840
Chief Robert Shaw was, was a
renowned alcoholic, and he was

772
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:43,060
drunk for many, you know, many
days of filming, and they had to

773
00:45:43,060 --> 00:45:46,720
delay things to get him sober.
You know the speech about the

774
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:49,600
Indianapolis when they're all
sitting there, and, yeah, kind

775
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:54,460
of bonding, if you will, in the
in the scene as great scene.

776
00:45:54,460 --> 00:45:59,140
Supposedly, they tried filming
that, and he was sloshed, and

777
00:45:59,140 --> 00:46:05,040
they just said cut. And they
just stopped, and Robert Shaw

778
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,980
apparently apologized to
Spielberg and said, Man, you

779
00:46:07,980 --> 00:46:13,800
know, let's try that again. And,
and supposedly, from things I've

780
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,960
read, that that whole scene was
Shaw reciting that story was,

781
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:23,180
was kind of ad libbed. That's
where I heard as well, you know,

782
00:46:23,180 --> 00:46:26,900
that he didn't follow the
script, that he just kind of

783
00:46:26,900 --> 00:46:31,040
went free form with it. And one
of the more impactful scenes of

784
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,280
the film, oh, it was especially
when you realize that Richard

785
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,620
Dreyfus, who didn't care for
the, you know, his character,

786
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,020
didn't care for the guy, you
know, for Quinn, yeah, but

787
00:46:41,020 --> 00:46:46,060
you've seen, you see sympathy
and and, and some in respect,

788
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,240
yeah, come into his eyes when he
realized that, like, you know,

789
00:46:49,540 --> 00:46:52,900
he's seen some things, yeah, the
drive. His character says you

790
00:46:52,900 --> 00:46:56,320
were on the Indianapolis, yes,
you know. And shiners, character

791
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:01,020
is like, what's that? And then
Shaw goes into the into the

792
00:47:01,020 --> 00:47:05,520
story. But you're right, Jim. I
mean, a perfect film in so many

793
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,360
ways. Oh, yeah. Great
performances, great script, you

794
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:13,620
know, the Peter Benchley novel
that was a huge hit that became

795
00:47:13,620 --> 00:47:16,620
a film. So there was a lot of
hype about the film, because the

796
00:47:16,620 --> 00:47:18,060
book was so popular, right?

797
00:47:18,060 --> 00:47:21,380
And so and it's so different
from the book. Yeah, the book

798
00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:22,460
is, it's like, night and day,

799
00:47:22,460 --> 00:47:27,440
yeah. I don't recall whether I
read that or not back back then,

800
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,100
but Cooper

801
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:31,880
was a much different character,
really. Yeah, he gets killed in

802
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:35,420
the story, he has an affair with
Brody's wife, and he's, like,

803
00:47:35,420 --> 00:47:41,020
really tall and svelte and,
like, demure. So he's not

804
00:47:41,020 --> 00:47:45,220
Richard drive. Oh no. They made
Hooper's character very likable

805
00:47:45,220 --> 00:47:48,040
in the movie. In the book, he is
not likable at all.

806
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,120
Yeah, that's always the case,
though. Books are never quite

807
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,760
like the movie. No, it was like
the firm,

808
00:47:55,900 --> 00:47:59,020
yes, yeah. Spielberg just said,
Thanks for the idea. Take it

809
00:47:59,020 --> 00:48:01,980
from here. Yeah. And Benchley
actually makes it a cameo,

810
00:48:01,980 --> 00:48:03,480
right, as a news reporter.

811
00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:09,000
GREAT film. And 50 years old,
you know, I think back when I

812
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,960
was a kid, you know, in the 70s,
you know, 50 year old movies

813
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,400
would have been silent films.

814
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,120
They would have now it's the
Exorcist,

815
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,580
you know it so, you know, it's
great that you can still go back

816
00:48:22,580 --> 00:48:26,360
and enjoy these 50 and 60 year
old movies and some that are

817
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,500
older than that. Now, you know,
I enjoy a lot of the the film

818
00:48:30,500 --> 00:48:33,740
noir movies, you know, the black
and white stuff with Robert

819
00:48:33,740 --> 00:48:37,280
Mitchum and all that, Alan Ladd,
you know, the black and white

820
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,600
stuff from back in the 40s and
50s is really when that film

821
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:45,460
noir stuff really took over,
yeah, but I go on Netflix and

822
00:48:45,460 --> 00:48:48,760
Amazon Prime and whatnot and
look up those kind of there are

823
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,360
some great stories, great
movies. Oh, there's a ton of

824
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,080
back in, you know, the black and
white stuff, when those the

825
00:48:56,080 --> 00:49:00,840
lighting design people were just
geniuses at lighting the black

826
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,320
and white, oh yeah, films, well,
I find that stuff fascinating.

827
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,340
I do too. One thing I really
miss about that era of Hollywood

828
00:49:08,700 --> 00:49:12,660
was that the stars were, I
think, more glamorous than they

829
00:49:12,660 --> 00:49:15,600
are today, especially the
actresses. I mean, when you

830
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,020
think of Carole Lombard, you
think of Jane Russell,

831
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,580
Rita Hayworth was just Oh

832
00:49:22,580 --> 00:49:25,400
yes. Sophia Loren,

833
00:49:25,460 --> 00:49:30,080
you know, Lauren Bacall, to me,
was something sexy about her? Oh

834
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:31,160
my gosh, yeah.

835
00:49:31,220 --> 00:49:34,700
They just seem to have more of a
glamor about them that is kind

836
00:49:34,700 --> 00:49:35,900
of missing today.

837
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,420
Well, that, you know, let's face
it, that was back in a time when

838
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,180
there was no debate about what a
woman was,

839
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,040
feel like being a woman. You
are,

840
00:49:50,380 --> 00:49:55,720
yes, man, I feel like a woman.
Yeah.

841
00:49:55,720 --> 00:50:00,480
The some of those, those glamor
babes back then were. And of

842
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,180
course, you know, I'm probably
being thought of right now as a

843
00:50:03,180 --> 00:50:07,380
sexist for using the term babe,
but they were, I'm sorry. Well,

844
00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:10,740
we'll get the comments Well,
and, you know, and, and, darn

845
00:50:10,740 --> 00:50:13,980
it, you know, men were men.
That's right, real men, that's

846
00:50:13,980 --> 00:50:19,440
right. John Wayne Bogart, you
know Gary grant, and you know

847
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:24,800
Judy, Judy, Judy Gary grant,
but, but, no, you know, I don't

848
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,460
know. I just really did enjoy
the the films back then, and I

849
00:50:28,460 --> 00:50:30,920
make a point to go watch that
stuff. And a lot of them are

850
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,920
like, you know, they're 80
minutes long, yeah? No, they're

851
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,620
not long at all, but they
develop the character. There's a

852
00:50:36,620 --> 00:50:40,660
story there. Bam, you know? And
you get, you cut to the chase,

853
00:50:40,660 --> 00:50:44,020
and it's a pretty satisfying
experience. How many films have

854
00:50:44,020 --> 00:50:46,660
we watched over the years that
were, like, three hours long?

855
00:50:46,660 --> 00:50:49,780
Oh, and you say to yourself,
Okay, it's an okay film. But,

856
00:50:49,780 --> 00:50:53,560
you know, they could have cut an
hour out of this exactly and and

857
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,920
not prolonged. What the message
they were trying to

858
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,140
tell? Oh, yeah. In fact, there's
a what was the movie that

859
00:51:01,140 --> 00:51:05,640
recently came out? I can't
Oppenheimer. Oh, yeah, I loved

860
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,640
Oppenheimer. But, my God, it was
long.

861
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,640
Was long one, yeah, it was, it
moved, though

862
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,000
it did move, yeah, I have to
give it credit, because I and it

863
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,860
I never, I never. I mean, it did
see, once I got done with it,

864
00:51:19,860 --> 00:51:23,600
was like, wow, there went my
day. But, but it was good. I

865
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:24,980
mean, it was a very good movie.

866
00:51:24,980 --> 00:51:29,000
My father took us to see the
last emperor when we were kids,

867
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:29,720
when you're little

868
00:51:31,220 --> 00:51:35,420
kids like that, things like, I
know, or like, Lawrence of

869
00:51:35,420 --> 00:51:37,220
Arabia, Peter O'Toole,

870
00:51:37,220 --> 00:51:40,700
yes. But I remember, like, I had
that kind of moment with my son.

871
00:51:40,700 --> 00:51:42,880
I said we were going to go to
the movies, and he and I were,

872
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,520
he and I were going to go, what
do you want to see? Oppenheimer?

873
00:51:46,660 --> 00:51:50,020
Seriously, wow. He's like, Yeah,
I want to go see him. All right.

874
00:51:50,140 --> 00:51:55,240
I said, this is, like, my last
emperor for you. But okay, let's

875
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:59,320
go. And he enjoyed it. Yeah? It
was a good movie. It's, it had a

876
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,240
good flow, yeah?

877
00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,600
Yeah. And it is interesting. I
mean, there are some films that

878
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,120
are in an hour and a half and
they seem like they're two days

879
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,540
long, Oh, yeah. And then others
that are three hours or what

880
00:52:09,540 --> 00:52:12,600
have you. And you thoroughly
enjoyed it. It just goes right

881
00:52:12,780 --> 00:52:15,300
on by, yeah, you know, if
there's a story to tell that

882
00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:18,900
warrants three hours, I'm all
for it, you know, but sometimes

883
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:23,720
the story just doesn't warrant
that. So why? I don't know why.

884
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:25,400
Like a Yoko Ono film,

885
00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:29,540
there is one. Oh,

886
00:52:29,540 --> 00:52:32,120
there's several, really, oh,
yeah. I watched an old only

887
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,960
fans, yeah. Well, I watched it.
I watched a Dick Cavett with

888
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,340
John and Yoko on it. They showed
a they showed one of her movies.

889
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:45,520
All it was was a fly crawling on
a woman's body. I don't know

890
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:50,080
what the significance was, but
it was really, yeah, it was, and

891
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,780
what killed me was the audience
when it came because I'm sitting

892
00:52:52,780 --> 00:52:55,240
there watching it, going, Is
this ever gonna Yeah, the hell

893
00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:58,060
are we watching? I mean, for one
thing, Dick, you're, you're,

894
00:52:58,060 --> 00:53:02,400
you're using too long of a clip.
I mean, it could have been

895
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:06,060
quicker, yeah, man, when they
come back, everybody's, yeah,

896
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,460
you know. And rather, were they
doing

897
00:53:08,460 --> 00:53:14,340
this? Yeah, you must admit that
Dick caveman had some of the

898
00:53:14,340 --> 00:53:19,320
most greatest guests. Oh, he
did. And really got people to

899
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:22,520
open up and talk about things
that he's almost like the

900
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,760
modern day Graham Norton, you
know, he wouldn't or Graham

901
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,620
Norton's a modern day dick.
Kevin, rather,

902
00:53:27,860 --> 00:53:31,040
you know, was it like, you know,
Carson, you know, whom I loved.

903
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,920
I thought Carson, he was great.
But, you know, people came on

904
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,220
that show and they talked about
their movie that it right, but

905
00:53:37,220 --> 00:53:41,020
with Dick Cavett, you know,
Robert Mitchum had like, a full

906
00:53:41,020 --> 00:53:44,620
hour or something with Dick
Cavett and was, it was the most

907
00:53:44,620 --> 00:53:47,800
revealing interview. First of
all, he didn't want to be there.

908
00:53:48,460 --> 00:53:52,480
He was there. George Harrison,
yeah, he didn't want to be

909
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,560
there, but he was so matter of
fact and open and honest in his

910
00:53:57,220 --> 00:53:59,500
you know, I think it's the only
interview where Mitchum ever

911
00:53:59,500 --> 00:54:02,880
really opened up, because he was
one of those anti Hollywood guys

912
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:07,140
didn't like being a movie star,
right? You know, in Cabot would

913
00:54:07,140 --> 00:54:10,800
ask him. So, you know, you get
into your story and become the

914
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,000
character. And Mitchum says, you
know, I just show up and I hit

915
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:20,360
my mark and I make believe.
What's so tough about that, you

916
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,360
know, rather than, you know,
some of these actors who make it

917
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:27,140
sound like they're solving the
world's problems, their their

918
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:32,780
craft is one that totally can be
achieved by being so serious.

919
00:54:33,500 --> 00:54:36,620
Mitchum is like, yeah, I show
up. I hit my mark, I recite the

920
00:54:36,620 --> 00:54:39,860
line, memorize the lines, I show
up, I go home. They pay me. And

921
00:54:39,860 --> 00:54:42,460
that's all that really is
required well.

922
00:54:42,460 --> 00:54:45,940
And what was really interesting
is, I watched a Dick Cavett with

923
00:54:45,940 --> 00:54:49,060
George Harrison, and he didn't
want to be there either. He just

924
00:54:49,060 --> 00:54:51,760
said, I have nothing to talk
about. I really don't know why

925
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,760
I'm here. But what was
interesting they showed this

926
00:54:54,820 --> 00:54:59,260
girl from the audience that was
talking to Cabot before he gets

927
00:54:59,260 --> 00:55:04,800
George Harrison. An out. It was
May Pang the gal that ended up

928
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:10,140
with John Lennon during his lost
weekend when he left Yoko for or

929
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:13,680
Yoko kicked him out of the
house, basically, and sent him

930
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:18,240
on his way to LA. But I thought,
wow, that's interesting. May

931
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:19,080
pay. He had

932
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:20,600
a type. Yeah, he did,

933
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,220
you know, I guess Dick Cavett
still around. And yes, he is.

934
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:26,540
Hey, we get him on the podcast.

935
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,320
Well, he might be on the next
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936
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:34,460
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