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Thanks for watching!

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What is up, everybody,

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and welcome to the United

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States Department of Nerds,

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where we are for the people,

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by the people, and of the people.

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And joining me today is Ben Lacey,

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who you may recognize as

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the author of Samson.

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He was here just a few short months ago,

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but today he's here to talk

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about his flagship comic book, Sharkovor.

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And we're coming into issue number nine,

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which is going to be the end of an arc.

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Ben, welcome to the show.

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Thanks for having me.

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So let's dive into it.

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So for people who have not

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heard of Shark of War yet,

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and this is the first time

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they're hearing about it,

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how would you describe the

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series and what makes it

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different than other

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Kickstarter or indie comics out there?

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Shark of War, simply put, is, you know,

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do it in simple terms is

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Jaws meets RoboCop.

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It's Jaws if the shark were the hero,

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RoboCop if the cop were a shark.

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He's an escaped U.S.

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military experiment

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enforcing the law in the sea.

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And at this point in the story,

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the mobsters he is going after,

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mostly drug traffickers,

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human traffickers, criminal cartels,

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are fed up with him and

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they have hired somebody to

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make bigger monsters to take him down.

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So the first five issues

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were kind of his origin story.

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And this current four-issue

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arc is called the Whales of War arc,

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where they've developed

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something bigger and

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stronger than him to take him down.

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Killer whales that have been

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modified like he has.

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I think what separates this

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from a lot of Kickstarters, of course,

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is that we're issue nine of the series.

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That's very rare.

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Which is a lot for an indie

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comic Kickstarter.

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You can get all nine issues

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and it forms a continuous

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story that you can follow.

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I think that it's unique

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also if you're someone who

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likes sharks and is what

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likes shark movies and things like that.

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It's unique in how it's

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has a different relationship

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with the shark.

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Normally, you watch movies, they're,

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they're basically, you know,

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jaws with a bigger shark, you know,

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the Meg was jaws with a

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gigantic shark and the, you know,

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under the sea,

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all those are the shark

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trying to kill somebody.

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And we're so sympathized with the human.

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In this case, the shark is the hero.

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You know,

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he's been modified so he has a

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level of intelligence, you know,

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approaching that of a person,

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though he thinks like a shark.

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So you get that sci-fi aspect of, you know,

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seeing the story through

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his eyes and how he views

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it even as a non-human person.

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a non-human entity.

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You know,

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I don't know if people remember

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things like We Three or

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other stories like that involving,

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you know, sentient animals.

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But, you know, I try to have some of that,

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you know, not to humanize him,

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but make him, you know,

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still a shark that's been made smarter.

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Oh,

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he's a hundred percent still a shark

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and thinks with his belly.

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Only now he does it consciously.

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Yeah, yeah, he, you know,

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I made an intentional choice where he,

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you know,

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he starts to evolve some

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emotions that you, you know, we wouldn't,

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you know,

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a non-thinking animal wouldn't have.

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But, you know,

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after somebody tries to kill him,

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he starts to get mad about it, you know,

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and, you know,

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anger is not something I

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don't think most animals, you know,

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inherently have toward

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somebody or a specific person,

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but he's specifically angry.

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But his way of going about

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it is different and he's trying to

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He's also got confined

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because the people that

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made him put boundaries on

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him that forced him into

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certain behaviors that he

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doesn't necessarily like.

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And so he has an adversarial relationship,

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well,

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kind of an odd couple relationship

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with the AI that has been

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implanted in him to try and control him.

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Sometimes they work together,

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sometimes they're very much at odds.

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That's a great segue for the

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set the stage for this.

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So issue nine does bring us

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to the big finale of the

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Wells of War arc.

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Give us a spoiler free

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breakdown of what's been

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building up to this moment.

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You were almost getting there.

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I was like, okay,

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he may go ahead and answer this one,

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but you stopped just short of it,

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I think.

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Well,

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the spoiler-free is there's going to

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be a big fight between him

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and a much bigger and more

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powerful monster.

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And it's going to be

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something that he's going

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to have to use his

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intelligence to win or to

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at least survive.

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In the meantime,

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the bad guys are really in

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a dominant position and

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they're improving their situation.

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In a way, I think of it as

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If I look at Shark of War as

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a trilogy of stories,

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which is kind of how I look at it,

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this is the second part.

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I view this as the Empire

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Strikes Back of the Shark

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of War storyline where

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survival is his hope, not victory.

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That's kind of very much what you see in,

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I think, Empire Strikes Back.

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They survived, but they hardly won in that

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that movie in some ways why

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it's considered the best of

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the Star Wars movies no

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arguments no arguments here

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on that one um so I want to

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point out Dr. Douglas who

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is the main antagonist at

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this point along with the cartel

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Also helped create the Shark of War.

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She was behind the AI

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intelligence or helping to

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weave the brain in the AI.

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Yeah, she was a neurosurgeon who, you know,

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Ray Fisher was the scientist who was,

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you know,

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doing the computer side and the

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hardware side.

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Um, of the, of the concept, you know, the,

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the, the computer, um, AI insertion, the,

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all the technology,

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the shark of war has like

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the jets and the, uh,

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and the weaponry and the hardened skin.

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Um,

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she was the neurosurgeon who figured

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out how to enhance his

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intelligence and link him up with the,

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with, you know, being able to use these,

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these machines.

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Um, she just realized, you know, that,

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that, you know,

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there was a lot more money to be had.

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rather than working for the

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United States military as a contractor,

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she took that technology

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and then sold it to

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criminal cartels who would like to have,

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you know, these things as weapons.

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And she, you know,

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rather than focusing on

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making intelligent creatures,

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she focused on mass producing, you know,

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monsters that would do her bidding.

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And at that point,

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she basically stole the

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tech and sabotaged the

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program and ran and got hired.

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She's not been able to

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really duplicate those

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efforts so far in

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everything that she's done.

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yeah she I mean her her her

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skill set is is a is is

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biology and neuroscience

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and what she started to

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realize is the fact that

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the shark she didn't want

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to make intelligent

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creatures she wanted to

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make you know basically

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remote controlled drone

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animals that she would

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control and she started to

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realize those were too

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stupid to uh to to make uh

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you know to take down the

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shark war so what she

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decided realized that she

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needed to make an intelligent creature

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And she knew how to do that,

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but she didn't know how to

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control it because the

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control was the hardware side,

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the artificial intelligence

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that's been implanted into his brain.

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So she didn't understand how

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to do that part of it.

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And that's the technology she used.

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she basically acquired in the last issue.

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So now,

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now she's able to make a creature

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just like the shark of war

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and control it to the way she wants to,

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because that was her fear is that,

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is that she would,

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she would make this thing

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and it would basically turn on her.

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And there's actually a short

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story where it's part of

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the Cthulhu Man arc where

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she tried to make a giant

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creature before and it did turn out.

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Yeah,

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I've seen you made a reference in

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issue eight to Cthulhu Man as well.

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Yeah,

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so she tried to make creatures before

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that had intelligence and

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they invariably backfired on her.

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Um,

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so she knew she needed to have the same

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kind of control, you know, that, you know,

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same kind of governor,

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basically the shark of war, you know,

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and of course her governor

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is going to be much harsher,

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even the shark of wars governor.

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Cause if you follow the story, the AI,

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you know,

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you know,

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you can see the AI also evolving

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a little bit where he's,

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it has kind of its own

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personality and thoughts too.

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And it's starting to,

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even though it's forced to

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do things that some,

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you start to see it's,

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it's kind of being forced

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to do these things that

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doesn't really want to do

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these things that it has to do.

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Yeah.

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It was, I really enjoyed,

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and I know we were talking

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a little bit about this before we came,

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went live is like,

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I enjoyed seeing how the art evolved.

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you know, evolved,

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but also within this story,

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you also see the AI and the

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shark evolve and kind of like,

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They're starting to think

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similarly about things and

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topics and what their

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ultimate directives are and

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that kind of stuff.

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And I really thought that

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was cool how you kept

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everything in sync that way

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with the shark is getting smarter,

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the shark is learning,

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the AI is also learning the

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habits of the shark and

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that kind of stuff.

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I really thought that was

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cool and how you kind of

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meld it those two aspects

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together because I don't

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think you can really have

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them competing against each

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other even though you do

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see the AI kind of like

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give a couple of hand

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smacks a few times like no

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we can't do that

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Yeah,

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and it's the AI being a function of

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its programming,

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not necessarily a function

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of its own desire.

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Shark of War,

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I basically pitch it as an exciting,

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action-packed thing.

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But if it has any deeper meaning,

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there's two things I like to point to.

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The first is that people

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have an irrational fear of sharks.

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ever since jaws came out and

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this this kind of uh spoofs

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that a little bit and and

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counterpoints that um

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irrational fear and the

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second thing is about you

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know our relationship with

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ai which of course is

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becoming much you know even

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you know it's a bargain as

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well yeah when shark of war

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started five years ago it's

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just a minor discussion but

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now it's full-on and and uh

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My view of AI had always

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been that at some level it

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would be kind of this might

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evolve into this symbiotic

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relationship where, you know,

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you see not only the Shark of War,

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but the second Ray Fisher, you know, who,

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you know,

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who is the first one died in

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issue one of Shark of War.

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But his clone, which is a merger of two.

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clone body parts and

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computer artificial

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intelligence takes over.

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That personality is actually a kinder,

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better person than the original was.

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Exactly.

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You said that they never had

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a chance to meld the real

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Dr. Fisher's mind into the AI mind.

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He's like Dr. Fisher, but

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he's not as harsh as the

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actual Dr. Fisher.

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Really cool.

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And I know I've seen that in

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a movie somewhere as well,

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where the body parts were in tanks.

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and then, and there was an AI as well.

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I know there was a movie.

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I can't remember the movie.

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I think there's been a

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couple of things where

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there's been brains and bottles.

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And that's kind of, that's kind of where I,

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I drew it from is that I was, you know,

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I was referencing those,

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those kind of old,

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those kind of horror movies, you know,

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they saved Hitler's brain

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kind of stuff or, or things like that,

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where, where you have the,

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the floating brain in the bottle.

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And then I was like, well,

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he's also got this,

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this AI and, you know, merge where he,

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so now he has a different

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perspective than the original him.

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And he doesn't,

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where the original person

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was human was driven so

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much by ego and ambition and arrogance.

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Yeah.

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The new version with, you know,

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where he's been merged with

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this computer and, you know,

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it gives him a broader

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perspective and he's,

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he's not nearly as arrogant

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and he's much more helpful.

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And, you know, now, now he's the, the,

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Before he was the Lex Luthor

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and now he's more like the

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Mr. Terrific maybe.

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I'm trying to think of a good answer.

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I like the reference.

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The Reed Richards of the story rather than

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So now we have Dr. Douglas.

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She's unleashing the mega

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well of war as the ultimate boss threat.

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What inspired this monstrous

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escalation and how does it

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push Nasher to his limits,

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which we're already seeing

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that a little bit in issue eight.

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And I'm sure by issue nine,

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that's about to, well, it's out now.

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Well, people need to go back right now.

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People need to go back.

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Like kind of break that down for us.

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Like,

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Yeah, I mean, this is her, you know,

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she's evolved this weapon.

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You know,

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she's making a lot of money by

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supplying the cartel with these, you know,

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these cyborg creatures.

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And, you know, her counterpart, you know,

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the head of the mob, Lupita Timberone,

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who took over, you know,

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in issue five after the

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death of her brother,

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she's found a way to use

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these creatures to make herself the most,

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you know,

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the top crime Lord on earth by, you know,

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a fairly clever scheme of

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using them as a way to smuggle drugs.

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So they also managed to make

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herself the most beloved

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person in her country.

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Yeah.

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Cause, cause Nasher's battle with the, the,

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the whales in the earlier issue, you know,

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made, you know,

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look like it may look like

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the United States might be

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attacking that country.

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You know,

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when they realized the shark had

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U S emblems on it, she used that to her,

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uh, to her advantage to, uh,

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to basically promote herself as, you know,

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you know, she, she's acting like a,

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you know,

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a very much like a

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philanthropist and she's

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pretending to be a

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philanthropist and she's, but she's using,

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you know, fear mongering and, uh,

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and stuff like that to get

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people to think she's the, uh,

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She's a protector against

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this idea that their

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country is being invaded,

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which of course isn't what happened.

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It was, you know,

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Nashua was attacked and the

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battle took place over this

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country and they thought it

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was an invasion.

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So she's kind of twisted the

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truth around to her own

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ends as she pursues power.

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And like I said, in part of this series,

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we're going to see where that goes and,

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you know,

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it's going to lead into the next arc.

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And it's going to be a fairly, you know,

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this arc is going to conclude.

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And it's more a struggle for

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survival at this point than

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a struggle for victory.

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Because, you know,

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now she's got the use of

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this gigantic creature plus

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all the other creatures

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that she has on hand.

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Well, meanwhile, you know,

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the United States is kind

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of playing with one hand

00:17:16.751 --> 00:17:17.772
tied behind its back

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because it doesn't want to, you know,

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go to war with this country.

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Yeah.

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No, it's definitely interesting.

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And I know we're the when the Navy,

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this lone person who is

00:17:34.500 --> 00:17:36.060
technically in charge of

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Nasher breaks into their

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research facility and

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discovers all these other.

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I don't want to say monsters

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because they're people have

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been experimented on.

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Yeah,

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they're people who have been

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experimented on.

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I I really got island of uh

00:17:53.618 --> 00:17:55.339
dr moreau vibes from that

00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:57.362
scene yeah which phenomenal

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phenomenal movie not the

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the the nineties one but

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the one that come out in

00:18:00.865 --> 00:18:02.227
the fifties was completely

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brilliant um the other one

00:18:04.929 --> 00:18:06.411
was good too but I will

00:18:06.471 --> 00:18:07.811
always prefer the the black

00:18:07.932 --> 00:18:09.153
and white nineteen fifties

00:18:09.272 --> 00:18:11.816
one and I got that vibe

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from that so are you gonna

00:18:13.958 --> 00:18:15.419
are we gonna see those people

00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:18.580
come back in the next issue?

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No, you won't see them right away.

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Okay.

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If I had more, you know,

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obviously I'm limited in, you know,

00:18:28.309 --> 00:18:30.270
how much coverage I

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consider bringing some of them back,

00:18:32.153 --> 00:18:32.393
you know,

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because we implied at least that

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some of them survived.

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Yeah,

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I know we've seen one of them come

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back and actually help

00:18:39.400 --> 00:18:40.601
Nasher at one point.

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But I just thought that was...

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It was one of those scenes

00:18:45.185 --> 00:18:45.605
where I was like... My

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artist was so upset about his fate.

00:18:48.448 --> 00:18:49.067
I don't blame him.

00:18:49.328 --> 00:18:50.409
I'm not going to lie.

00:18:50.489 --> 00:18:53.751
I was... That one was... I was like, man,

00:18:54.051 --> 00:18:55.712
you expected it to be like, oh, no.

00:18:55.873 --> 00:18:57.273
Like, this isn't going to be good.

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But then you realize they're

00:18:58.335 --> 00:18:59.615
actual humans and they

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still have a human conscience about them.

00:19:01.936 --> 00:19:03.218
They're still very much good

00:19:03.258 --> 00:19:04.959
people inside these creatures.

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And you're like, man,

00:19:06.259 --> 00:19:07.161
I kind of want all of them

00:19:07.181 --> 00:19:08.821
to survive and actually

00:19:08.882 --> 00:19:10.383
help out in the battle to come.

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That was where I was like...

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My mind went with this.

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It's like...

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Because now the U.S.

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can kind of turn the tides

00:19:18.027 --> 00:19:19.126
or Nasher can turn the

00:19:19.166 --> 00:19:20.228
tides on these people.

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And, you know,

00:19:22.068 --> 00:19:23.849
because now he has backup in this,

00:19:24.509 --> 00:19:25.230
you know, form.

00:19:25.851 --> 00:19:26.351
Yeah,

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I definitely like to bring some of

00:19:28.092 --> 00:19:29.112
them back at some point.

00:19:29.132 --> 00:19:30.813
You know, obviously the, you know.

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The limitations of being an

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indie creator mean it's

00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:38.721
hard to have the number of

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pages and the number of comics you want.

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I don't know if you read Cthulhu Man.

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I have not.

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That's going to be

00:19:47.565 --> 00:19:50.246
definitely getting read here soon.

00:19:51.606 --> 00:19:52.807
I've read a few issues of...

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The Vitsons.

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I haven't read all of them yet,

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but I definitely.

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There's only three.

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So you might have if you read three,

00:20:00.939 --> 00:20:01.798
you're caught up.

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But I haven't read all three yet.

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I think I've read like the first two.

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And I think that was back

00:20:06.603 --> 00:20:08.263
when you sent me the stamps.

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And so it's been a little

00:20:09.144 --> 00:20:09.984
while since I read them.

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So I definitely need to pick

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them up and read them again.

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Yeah,

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I think I finished issue three while

00:20:16.952 --> 00:20:18.973
the Samson Kickstarter was running.

00:20:19.854 --> 00:20:21.555
Yeah, if you see Cthulhu Man,

00:20:21.595 --> 00:20:23.355
that dealt even more with

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some of the people who were

00:20:25.297 --> 00:20:26.156
experimented on.

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Oh, okay.

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I'll have to listen.

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and there's you know clearly

00:20:29.898 --> 00:20:31.480
a couple survivors who I

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you know I was consider you

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know strongly considering

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doing a spin-off with um

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these two kids who

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basically wind up with

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superpowers you know at one

00:20:40.047 --> 00:20:41.407
point I was thinking I'd

00:20:41.448 --> 00:20:42.568
like to have them come back

00:20:42.588 --> 00:20:43.549
too but I haven't been able

00:20:43.569 --> 00:20:45.050
to get to it yeah I know

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some of the ladies that

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were in um shark of war

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number eight kind of gave

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vitsen vibes as well like

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they were from that park as

00:20:53.277 --> 00:20:55.439
well yeah the the uh the

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well both uh well

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Lupita Tiburon, the mob boss,

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appears in Vicious Vixens

00:21:01.068 --> 00:21:02.729
and like every issue.

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And I think Brooke Douglas

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makes a brief appearance as well.

00:21:07.230 --> 00:21:08.510
That's what I had thought.

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And that's where I was trying to be like,

00:21:10.050 --> 00:21:11.750
like, is he kind of like,

00:21:12.171 --> 00:21:13.231
did he just give us a nice

00:21:13.271 --> 00:21:14.971
little tie in to all his books?

00:21:15.132 --> 00:21:15.971
Oh, yeah.

00:21:16.071 --> 00:21:17.392
This Cthulhu man is

00:21:17.432 --> 00:21:19.252
definitely a spinoff because, you know.

00:21:19.333 --> 00:21:19.633
Okay.

00:21:19.853 --> 00:21:20.854
Because Douglas is the

00:21:21.275 --> 00:21:23.076
scientist doing the work.

00:21:23.376 --> 00:21:24.217
Gotcha.

00:21:24.877 --> 00:21:26.460
Like I said, I need to read that one.

00:21:26.779 --> 00:21:28.080
I need to read the newest

00:21:28.281 --> 00:21:31.704
issue of Vitson's or the

00:21:31.845 --> 00:21:32.865
two issues of Vitson.

00:21:32.905 --> 00:21:34.186
I think I'll be caught up on that.

00:21:34.307 --> 00:21:35.528
But no,

00:21:35.709 --> 00:21:38.030
I like it that you have these

00:21:38.070 --> 00:21:38.932
titles going,

00:21:38.951 --> 00:21:40.314
but you still find a way to

00:21:40.354 --> 00:21:42.154
kind of pull them all

00:21:42.194 --> 00:21:43.457
together to some degree.

00:21:44.300 --> 00:21:47.242
Yeah, Vixens, the Vixens were, you know,

00:21:47.282 --> 00:21:49.604
basically being sold as

00:21:51.085 --> 00:21:54.385
slaves by Lupita Tiburon's, you know,

00:21:54.405 --> 00:21:54.886
cartel.

00:21:54.926 --> 00:21:57.988
So she pops up several times in Vixens,

00:21:58.028 --> 00:21:59.929
both in the backstory and in the,

00:21:59.949 --> 00:22:01.730
you know, in the current story,

00:22:01.990 --> 00:22:04.090
because she wants to recapture them for,

00:22:04.271 --> 00:22:04.531
you know,

00:22:04.551 --> 00:22:06.952
because she has a lot invested in them.

00:22:09.804 --> 00:22:10.483
I like it.

00:22:10.663 --> 00:22:11.564
I like it, Ben.

00:22:11.824 --> 00:22:12.884
I like it a lot.

00:22:13.404 --> 00:22:16.605
So Nasher has now escaped

00:22:16.625 --> 00:22:19.346
the horrifying lab of terrors at last.

00:22:19.826 --> 00:22:21.126
What does that moment mean

00:22:21.166 --> 00:22:22.027
for the character?

00:22:22.507 --> 00:22:23.326
And how does it kind of

00:22:23.346 --> 00:22:26.307
change his fight going forward?

00:22:26.607 --> 00:22:29.847
The way his mind is working

00:22:29.887 --> 00:22:31.388
now and his AI is working now,

00:22:31.409 --> 00:22:32.028
he's kind of good.

00:22:32.884 --> 00:22:34.866
okay, this is my second chance.

00:22:34.886 --> 00:22:36.268
This is my new lease on life.

00:22:37.190 --> 00:22:38.510
I'm no longer a captive by

00:22:38.550 --> 00:22:40.012
these people who want to

00:22:40.614 --> 00:22:42.435
basically dissect me to get

00:22:42.635 --> 00:22:43.857
my computer and stuff.

00:22:44.818 --> 00:22:45.380
So like,

00:22:47.073 --> 00:22:48.353
was like how does that

00:22:48.373 --> 00:22:49.453
change the fight you know

00:22:49.814 --> 00:22:51.894
well now he's well as as we

00:22:51.954 --> 00:22:53.615
see he he's taking it to

00:22:53.714 --> 00:22:55.596
the the enemy but you know

00:22:55.635 --> 00:22:56.757
he does and he's winning

00:22:57.156 --> 00:22:58.176
but he doesn't realize the

00:22:58.237 --> 00:23:00.018
enemy has the face up their

00:23:00.077 --> 00:23:01.397
sleeve in terms of the mega

00:23:01.438 --> 00:23:03.519
whale of war um and that's

00:23:03.578 --> 00:23:04.679
kind of where we're we're

00:23:04.699 --> 00:23:06.359
going to see happen in the

00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:07.619
second issue you know in

00:23:07.660 --> 00:23:09.080
this issue nine he

00:23:09.625 --> 00:23:10.505
He's hoping, you know,

00:23:10.545 --> 00:23:12.925
he wants to not only take down, you know,

00:23:12.965 --> 00:23:13.905
his enemies here,

00:23:14.026 --> 00:23:15.226
he wants to also rescue a

00:23:15.306 --> 00:23:17.567
friend who also got captured in the last,

00:23:17.707 --> 00:23:20.446
you know, in issue seven and, you know,

00:23:20.467 --> 00:23:22.988
was being held by the cartel.

00:23:23.428 --> 00:23:26.648
And, you know, his Navy, you know,

00:23:26.709 --> 00:23:28.088
handlers also wants to

00:23:28.148 --> 00:23:30.349
rescue her because they're, you know,

00:23:30.769 --> 00:23:31.750
it's subtly spoken,

00:23:31.789 --> 00:23:33.549
but they're in a bit of a relationship.

00:23:33.609 --> 00:23:35.391
Yeah, yeah.

00:23:35.411 --> 00:23:35.770
That was...

00:23:36.750 --> 00:23:37.811
You say it subtly.

00:23:38.432 --> 00:23:40.012
It's... You can kind of,

00:23:40.073 --> 00:23:42.693
like... That vibe was there

00:23:42.713 --> 00:23:43.153
the whole time.

00:23:43.173 --> 00:23:44.755
Yeah, I mean, it's not supposed to be that,

00:23:44.795 --> 00:23:46.516
you know... Their story is

00:23:46.576 --> 00:23:48.016
peripheral to the real story.

00:23:48.056 --> 00:23:48.375
But, you know,

00:23:48.395 --> 00:23:49.497
I try to work it in so

00:23:49.537 --> 00:23:51.298
people know that they're...

00:23:51.538 --> 00:23:53.479
You did it very nicely because...

00:23:54.554 --> 00:23:57.277
Like you didn't just flat out like, oh,

00:23:57.336 --> 00:23:57.938
it's this.

00:23:58.137 --> 00:23:59.239
But, you know,

00:23:59.259 --> 00:24:00.840
the way you did it very subtly,

00:24:01.541 --> 00:24:02.883
you put it out there perfectly.

00:24:03.344 --> 00:24:04.124
At least I thought.

00:24:04.144 --> 00:24:04.964
Well, thank you.

00:24:05.405 --> 00:24:05.726
Yeah.

00:24:06.227 --> 00:24:08.249
And so he's he's now on the you know,

00:24:08.648 --> 00:24:09.951
he thinks he's going to be winning.

00:24:09.990 --> 00:24:12.053
But then then the tables get turned and,

00:24:12.153 --> 00:24:12.432
you know,

00:24:12.614 --> 00:24:14.675
the desperate fight in this

00:24:14.736 --> 00:24:16.337
climactic issue begins.

00:24:17.079 --> 00:24:19.000
And we wind up, we will end up in a,

00:24:19.201 --> 00:24:20.141
in a position where,

00:24:20.381 --> 00:24:22.021
where we start the next arc, which,

00:24:22.501 --> 00:24:22.721
you know,

00:24:22.801 --> 00:24:24.262
I'm viewing this as a trilogy in

00:24:24.282 --> 00:24:24.962
the near term.

00:24:25.002 --> 00:24:27.144
So this, the third arc will basically,

00:24:27.284 --> 00:24:28.784
you know, several, you know,

00:24:28.804 --> 00:24:30.045
I don't know how many issues,

00:24:30.065 --> 00:24:31.144
depending on how well the

00:24:31.184 --> 00:24:33.046
Kickstarter does, it may be,

00:24:33.145 --> 00:24:35.326
it may be fewer, it may be more, um,

00:24:36.126 --> 00:24:37.548
how quickly I try to wrap it up,

00:24:37.807 --> 00:24:38.567
but that will kind of,

00:24:38.768 --> 00:24:40.648
kind of tell a complete three arcs,

00:24:41.769 --> 00:24:42.970
three trilogy, you know,

00:24:42.990 --> 00:24:43.930
complete trilogy.

00:24:44.368 --> 00:24:45.890
of stories, Shark of War.

00:24:46.730 --> 00:24:47.891
I like it like that, man.

00:24:47.971 --> 00:24:49.031
I really do.

00:24:49.112 --> 00:24:50.472
You know, and then if there's the demand,

00:24:50.532 --> 00:24:52.814
you know, there's possibility of,

00:24:52.894 --> 00:24:55.414
you know, another set of stories,

00:24:55.434 --> 00:24:55.695
you know,

00:24:55.736 --> 00:24:57.195
the Shark of War returns or

00:24:57.236 --> 00:24:58.797
something like that for a

00:24:59.458 --> 00:25:02.259
new issue one and, you know,

00:25:02.519 --> 00:25:04.240
do what the big comic companies do.

00:25:05.000 --> 00:25:06.882
Get a Rise of Skywalker.

00:25:07.201 --> 00:25:08.282
Come out with a new issue

00:25:08.482 --> 00:25:09.624
one and things like that.

00:25:09.644 --> 00:25:12.444
Yeah.

00:25:12.484 --> 00:25:13.226
You don't even get me.

00:25:13.286 --> 00:25:13.526
Yeah.

00:25:14.929 --> 00:25:16.148
mean I personally don't like

00:25:16.189 --> 00:25:17.589
to do it but you know it's

00:25:17.630 --> 00:25:18.769
almost tempting because you

00:25:18.789 --> 00:25:20.829
know it's uh it's it seems

00:25:20.869 --> 00:25:22.210
to help sales to have an

00:25:22.250 --> 00:25:23.871
issue one as opposed to you

00:25:23.891 --> 00:25:24.790
know an issue even though

00:25:24.830 --> 00:25:26.171
an issue nine I think is a

00:25:26.851 --> 00:25:28.112
I think it's a much more

00:25:28.231 --> 00:25:29.692
you know important state

00:25:29.731 --> 00:25:31.031
statement of the longevity

00:25:31.051 --> 00:25:31.951
of the book and the fact

00:25:31.971 --> 00:25:33.712
that to me it is yeah yeah

00:25:33.732 --> 00:25:34.992
you're gonna get the rest

00:25:35.032 --> 00:25:36.932
of the story I mean you

00:25:36.952 --> 00:25:38.193
know plenty of people get

00:25:38.273 --> 00:25:39.634
out one or two comic books

00:25:40.434 --> 00:25:42.237
But that doesn't finish the story.

00:25:42.297 --> 00:25:44.560
And then do they ever get out the rest?

00:25:44.661 --> 00:25:47.365
Well, some do and a lot don't.

00:25:48.185 --> 00:25:51.130
So I think this is proof

00:25:51.170 --> 00:25:55.497
that this is a title that can stay alive.

00:25:56.553 --> 00:25:56.932
Yeah.

00:25:57.034 --> 00:25:58.275
And the way you market it

00:25:58.335 --> 00:25:59.916
and the way you do shows with it,

00:26:00.196 --> 00:26:02.058
I think really attributes

00:26:02.098 --> 00:26:03.980
to the longevity of this book.

00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:05.362
Oh, thank you.

00:26:05.721 --> 00:26:05.823
Yeah.

00:26:05.982 --> 00:26:07.765
I'm, I'm, I'm trying to do, you know,

00:26:08.005 --> 00:26:08.905
I try to do, you know,

00:26:09.326 --> 00:26:11.607
six or so cons a year, you know, to,

00:26:11.648 --> 00:26:12.809
to go out and promote it

00:26:12.829 --> 00:26:14.290
and sell it at cons.

00:26:14.371 --> 00:26:15.913
And then hopefully some of

00:26:15.932 --> 00:26:16.834
those people will come in

00:26:16.854 --> 00:26:17.855
and back as well.

00:26:18.576 --> 00:26:19.896
You know, and then,

00:26:21.334 --> 00:26:22.896
And then that'll help keep

00:26:22.936 --> 00:26:23.980
the thing going because you

00:26:24.019 --> 00:26:25.201
always lose some backers

00:26:25.241 --> 00:26:26.444
from issue to issue.

00:26:26.505 --> 00:26:27.807
So you need to bring the new

00:26:27.907 --> 00:26:29.471
ones all the time.

00:26:30.900 --> 00:26:32.481
But I really try to make it

00:26:32.622 --> 00:26:34.063
easy for people to catch up.

00:26:34.423 --> 00:26:35.743
If you look at the pricing

00:26:35.884 --> 00:26:37.445
on my digital tiers,

00:26:38.866 --> 00:26:40.468
where you can basically get

00:26:40.488 --> 00:26:41.628
the digital tier for like

00:26:41.648 --> 00:26:42.930
two bucks a comic book,

00:26:43.010 --> 00:26:44.912
all my comics for two bucks a comic,

00:26:45.913 --> 00:26:48.035
or my physical tier where

00:26:48.275 --> 00:26:49.496
all the back issues are

00:26:49.536 --> 00:26:52.198
basically I'm selling at Comic-Con prices,

00:26:52.558 --> 00:26:54.701
five bucks for a floppy, you know,

00:26:57.012 --> 00:26:58.835
collection of issues one through five,

00:26:58.855 --> 00:27:00.017
which is the first arc.

00:27:00.676 --> 00:27:01.337
Um, plus,

00:27:01.417 --> 00:27:03.000
but you also get them delivered

00:27:03.059 --> 00:27:04.181
and you get them, uh,

00:27:04.813 --> 00:27:06.013
you get them with the

00:27:06.054 --> 00:27:07.394
digital version as well,

00:27:07.433 --> 00:27:08.734
which has the features

00:27:08.775 --> 00:27:10.315
which we talked about earlier, you know,

00:27:10.335 --> 00:27:11.536
like, yeah,

00:27:11.576 --> 00:27:13.777
extra little little articles

00:27:13.836 --> 00:27:15.136
and stuff like that really

00:27:15.377 --> 00:27:17.077
spoil none of the bonus

00:27:17.097 --> 00:27:18.318
features that you get with

00:27:18.398 --> 00:27:20.759
the the digital stuff.

00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:21.940
But they are really cool.

00:27:22.701 --> 00:27:24.320
Ben does take what he does

00:27:24.340 --> 00:27:26.402
for actual living and kind

00:27:26.481 --> 00:27:27.722
of breaks down some of the

00:27:27.762 --> 00:27:29.243
logic that he used when

00:27:29.284 --> 00:27:32.045
creating the actual Shark Award Nasher.

00:27:32.904 --> 00:27:33.566
And there's some other

00:27:33.786 --> 00:27:35.047
really cool bonus features

00:27:35.826 --> 00:27:36.887
within the first eight

00:27:37.509 --> 00:27:39.230
issues of the book that are

00:27:39.250 --> 00:27:40.351
just really cool.

00:27:40.530 --> 00:27:44.233
And the way he does them is

00:27:44.314 --> 00:27:47.215
very driven in actual science.

00:27:47.896 --> 00:27:48.698
So it's really dope.

00:27:48.758 --> 00:27:50.719
If you support the book,

00:27:50.858 --> 00:27:51.960
you just want it digitally.

00:27:52.941 --> 00:27:54.061
I would highly recommend it

00:27:54.102 --> 00:27:55.343
because the bonus features,

00:27:55.423 --> 00:27:58.085
although short, are phenomenally done.

00:27:58.105 --> 00:27:58.806
So thank you.

00:27:59.905 --> 00:28:01.067
My two cents on that one.

00:28:01.086 --> 00:28:01.867
Thank you.

00:28:03.597 --> 00:28:06.240
So where are we at?

00:28:06.260 --> 00:28:06.541
Okay,

00:28:06.582 --> 00:28:07.482
we're going to do a little bit of

00:28:07.623 --> 00:28:09.044
diving in on the Kickstarter.

00:28:09.505 --> 00:28:10.645
So one of the great things

00:28:10.685 --> 00:28:12.268
about indie Kickstarters is

00:28:12.307 --> 00:28:14.069
how new readers can jump on board.

00:28:14.130 --> 00:28:15.652
For anyone just discovering

00:28:15.692 --> 00:28:17.654
the Shark of War through this campaign,

00:28:18.194 --> 00:28:19.997
how easy will it be to

00:28:20.037 --> 00:28:22.539
catch up on earlier issues,

00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:23.821
which we were just talking about?

00:28:25.192 --> 00:28:26.792
incredibly in fact if you go

00:28:26.813 --> 00:28:28.054
to the kickstarter page at

00:28:28.074 --> 00:28:29.233
the very top of the page is

00:28:29.253 --> 00:28:30.474
a link you click on that

00:28:30.575 --> 00:28:31.836
link and it will open up

00:28:31.915 --> 00:28:33.096
issue one for you right

00:28:33.116 --> 00:28:34.836
there so you can try issue

00:28:34.978 --> 00:28:37.259
one absolutely free um

00:28:38.527 --> 00:28:39.346
And, you know,

00:28:39.406 --> 00:28:40.827
don't have to sign up for anything.

00:28:40.887 --> 00:28:42.147
It just opens up a Google

00:28:42.167 --> 00:28:43.488
Doc and you can you can

00:28:43.548 --> 00:28:44.929
read it all all there.

00:28:46.388 --> 00:28:46.769
The art,

00:28:46.888 --> 00:28:49.029
the artist for that issue one was me.

00:28:49.470 --> 00:28:50.770
The artist for the current

00:28:50.810 --> 00:28:51.790
issues is not me.

00:28:51.851 --> 00:28:53.230
It's somebody who's who's

00:28:53.270 --> 00:28:54.731
better than at art at me.

00:28:54.791 --> 00:28:55.932
So you'll you'll you'll

00:28:56.152 --> 00:28:57.451
the art the art will be

00:28:57.592 --> 00:28:59.073
improving if you find my

00:28:59.133 --> 00:29:01.413
art mediocre um if you find

00:29:01.452 --> 00:29:03.373
my art good you'll find

00:29:03.432 --> 00:29:05.513
this artist great um so

00:29:05.913 --> 00:29:07.473
either way he just brought

00:29:07.493 --> 00:29:08.473
that back up because we

00:29:08.493 --> 00:29:09.314
were talking about that

00:29:09.334 --> 00:29:11.275
before we went live how I

00:29:11.335 --> 00:29:12.234
enjoyed watching the

00:29:12.295 --> 00:29:13.295
evolution or we might have

00:29:13.315 --> 00:29:14.234
been doing it earlier in

00:29:14.255 --> 00:29:15.455
the show where we was

00:29:15.476 --> 00:29:16.496
talking about the evolution

00:29:16.516 --> 00:29:18.096
of the art along with the

00:29:18.115 --> 00:29:20.457
shark as well but it was

00:29:20.817 --> 00:29:22.457
kind of cool you kind of can pinpoint

00:29:23.786 --> 00:29:25.326
When like all of a sudden,

00:29:25.386 --> 00:29:27.327
like you were drawing and

00:29:27.367 --> 00:29:28.409
then you're like, oh, damn,

00:29:28.429 --> 00:29:29.249
he either got really good

00:29:29.288 --> 00:29:30.589
or he hired artists right here.

00:29:30.609 --> 00:29:30.730
Yeah.

00:29:31.250 --> 00:29:32.691
Yeah.

00:29:32.811 --> 00:29:34.772
I issue the first five issues are me.

00:29:34.813 --> 00:29:37.815
You know, I use, you know,

00:29:37.875 --> 00:29:39.295
I kind of implied I'm an

00:29:39.355 --> 00:29:40.556
engineer by background.

00:29:40.576 --> 00:29:41.757
So I used a lot of computer

00:29:41.817 --> 00:29:43.538
models and digital art

00:29:43.577 --> 00:29:45.259
programs to help me make the art.

00:29:46.098 --> 00:29:46.839
No AI,

00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:50.002
but I used digital models to help

00:29:50.103 --> 00:29:51.044
and things like that.

00:29:51.104 --> 00:29:52.746
It works pretty well for

00:29:52.766 --> 00:29:54.627
Shark of War because with

00:29:54.667 --> 00:29:55.509
the shark itself,

00:29:56.148 --> 00:29:58.211
the digital shark looks cool.

00:29:58.912 --> 00:30:00.192
It really does.

00:30:00.252 --> 00:30:03.676
For humans, the digital modeling art

00:30:04.497 --> 00:30:05.798
Looks kind of artificial.

00:30:05.817 --> 00:30:07.618
It gives it a video game quality.

00:30:07.878 --> 00:30:09.640
It does like the old school

00:30:10.121 --> 00:30:11.281
like PlayStation one.

00:30:11.622 --> 00:30:12.001
Yeah.

00:30:12.142 --> 00:30:13.323
So it doesn't it doesn't

00:30:13.363 --> 00:30:14.403
really look as good.

00:30:14.503 --> 00:30:16.325
So I knew at some point I

00:30:16.545 --> 00:30:18.145
and also because I'd rather

00:30:18.165 --> 00:30:18.946
write than draw.

00:30:19.467 --> 00:30:20.807
I knew at some point I

00:30:20.847 --> 00:30:22.209
needed to bring in new people.

00:30:22.308 --> 00:30:23.970
And, you know, as the campaigns got,

00:30:24.069 --> 00:30:24.250
you know,

00:30:24.269 --> 00:30:25.891
my backing account got a little bigger.

00:30:26.291 --> 00:30:28.113
I decided I could go ahead and risk it.

00:30:28.692 --> 00:30:31.013
So for everything from after

00:30:31.074 --> 00:30:32.854
issue five of Shark of War,

00:30:33.273 --> 00:30:35.515
not only the next four

00:30:35.575 --> 00:30:37.635
issues of Shark of War, but Cthulhu Man,

00:30:37.715 --> 00:30:39.276
Samson, the Vicious Vixens,

00:30:39.695 --> 00:30:41.076
all are drawn by other people.

00:30:41.576 --> 00:30:42.777
And I think you kind of see

00:30:42.797 --> 00:30:46.337
that the quality of the art does go up.

00:30:46.397 --> 00:30:48.278
Hopefully the story for the

00:30:48.298 --> 00:30:49.298
first five issues of Shark

00:30:49.318 --> 00:30:50.219
of War carries it.

00:30:50.459 --> 00:30:52.039
No, it does.

00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:54.759
It a hundred percent does.

00:30:57.162 --> 00:30:59.843
The way Nasher was drawn in

00:31:00.023 --> 00:31:04.226
issue eight was absolutely phenomenal.

00:31:04.326 --> 00:31:05.727
Your artist absolutely

00:31:05.767 --> 00:31:08.087
killed it with the way he

00:31:08.127 --> 00:31:09.188
was able to make the shark

00:31:09.228 --> 00:31:10.709
have emotions in certain

00:31:10.749 --> 00:31:15.491
scenes in the book were amazing.

00:31:15.511 --> 00:31:18.053
They were subtle, but it's there.

00:31:18.073 --> 00:31:19.114
You can actually see the

00:31:19.273 --> 00:31:21.355
emotion in Nasher's face in

00:31:21.394 --> 00:31:22.955
certain scenes, which is really dope.

00:31:23.672 --> 00:31:23.912
Yeah.

00:31:24.153 --> 00:31:24.373
Yeah.

00:31:24.432 --> 00:31:24.813
So I think,

00:31:24.993 --> 00:31:25.914
I think you'll get some more of

00:31:25.934 --> 00:31:28.278
that in this, this book as well, but yeah,

00:31:28.337 --> 00:31:30.861
he, he was very, you know, he,

00:31:31.121 --> 00:31:32.262
he worked a lot on it and

00:31:32.282 --> 00:31:33.763
we did a lot of iterations to,

00:31:33.904 --> 00:31:34.925
to get everything right.

00:31:34.945 --> 00:31:36.788
You know, we always go through a lot of,

00:31:36.827 --> 00:31:37.368
you know,

00:31:38.499 --> 00:31:40.180
talking through the layout, you know,

00:31:40.259 --> 00:31:41.619
and then, you know, where he does,

00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:42.079
you know,

00:31:42.140 --> 00:31:43.721
preliminary thumbnail sketches

00:31:43.780 --> 00:31:45.402
and then iterating back and

00:31:45.422 --> 00:31:47.903
forth to try and get just the right look.

00:31:47.923 --> 00:31:50.223
And I think it does really pay off.

00:31:50.844 --> 00:31:52.964
And I hope people want to go see it,

00:31:53.045 --> 00:31:54.204
you know, and pick it up.

00:31:54.444 --> 00:31:55.566
Like I said, I'm...

00:31:56.982 --> 00:31:58.263
All the back issues are part

00:31:58.304 --> 00:31:59.125
of the package.

00:31:59.545 --> 00:32:01.446
Like I said,

00:32:01.507 --> 00:32:03.729
I try to price my back issues

00:32:03.788 --> 00:32:06.050
very affordably because I

00:32:06.090 --> 00:32:07.311
really want people to get them.

00:32:08.413 --> 00:32:09.334
I don't want people to just

00:32:09.354 --> 00:32:11.635
back issue this one issue

00:32:11.855 --> 00:32:13.037
by the digital version.

00:32:13.076 --> 00:32:15.439
Honestly,

00:32:15.558 --> 00:32:17.961
I think if you just back this one issue,

00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:19.122
you're cheating yourself on

00:32:19.142 --> 00:32:21.644
a really fun and different

00:32:21.663 --> 00:32:23.045
type of shark story.

00:32:23.865 --> 00:32:25.248
If you just if you do that,

00:32:25.449 --> 00:32:26.470
this is definitely one of

00:32:26.509 --> 00:32:28.173
those comments where if

00:32:28.212 --> 00:32:29.013
this is going to be your

00:32:29.153 --> 00:32:30.737
first time jumping in to

00:32:30.817 --> 00:32:32.900
back Ben and Shark of War,

00:32:33.340 --> 00:32:34.281
definitely go ahead and put

00:32:34.321 --> 00:32:35.663
the other couple of dollars

00:32:35.704 --> 00:32:38.208
down and get the digitals of this cause.

00:32:39.102 --> 00:32:40.824
It is such a good story.

00:32:41.904 --> 00:32:43.105
Every issue,

00:32:43.326 --> 00:32:45.828
it builds on the next one going forward.

00:32:46.769 --> 00:32:48.171
It's very well laid out and

00:32:48.270 --> 00:32:48.971
very well told.

00:32:49.192 --> 00:32:52.055
So opt in, spend that extra money.

00:32:52.394 --> 00:32:52.576
Yeah,

00:32:52.615 --> 00:32:55.939
if you get the physical copy of just

00:32:55.979 --> 00:32:56.819
issue nine,

00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:58.180
There's an add-on where you

00:32:58.200 --> 00:32:59.280
can get all the digital

00:32:59.340 --> 00:33:00.820
included as an add-on at a

00:33:00.861 --> 00:33:01.682
very low price.

00:33:01.701 --> 00:33:02.682
I think it's like a buck a

00:33:02.721 --> 00:33:05.803
book or somewhere around that price.

00:33:05.843 --> 00:33:07.282
I think it was like a dollar, I think,

00:33:07.343 --> 00:33:07.663
or two.

00:33:07.742 --> 00:33:08.923
It was either one or two dollars.

00:33:09.044 --> 00:33:09.344
Yeah.

00:33:09.443 --> 00:33:11.845
So all the digital copies I

00:33:11.884 --> 00:33:15.125
sell is as low as I possibly think I can.

00:33:15.885 --> 00:33:17.105
um you know like I think I'm

00:33:17.185 --> 00:33:18.747
even beating more what you

00:33:18.787 --> 00:33:19.946
buy a digital copy from

00:33:20.007 --> 00:33:22.126
marvel or dc from frankly

00:33:22.727 --> 00:33:24.248
um well those are actually

00:33:24.307 --> 00:33:25.887
normal almost normal price

00:33:25.928 --> 00:33:26.768
yeah I don't think they

00:33:26.788 --> 00:33:27.728
give you much of a discount

00:33:27.847 --> 00:33:29.528
I do because it it saves me

00:33:29.588 --> 00:33:30.788
money because that you know

00:33:30.848 --> 00:33:32.148
I my print costs are a lot

00:33:32.189 --> 00:33:33.529
more than theirs because uh

00:33:33.849 --> 00:33:35.230
yeah and of course they own

00:33:35.250 --> 00:33:36.210
their print they own their

00:33:36.250 --> 00:33:37.529
printer so and the shipping

00:33:37.569 --> 00:33:38.651
costs you know they they

00:33:38.691 --> 00:33:40.250
ship they drop ship to uh

00:33:41.221 --> 00:33:42.281
your comic store and you got

00:33:42.301 --> 00:33:43.522
to go get it I gotta ship

00:33:43.583 --> 00:33:45.423
it directly to people which

00:33:45.483 --> 00:33:46.444
means you know I you know

00:33:46.765 --> 00:33:48.385
I'm paying you know you

00:33:48.405 --> 00:33:49.267
know several bucks for

00:33:49.287 --> 00:33:51.208
shipping so yeah and

00:33:51.327 --> 00:33:53.249
shipping has gone way up

00:33:53.589 --> 00:33:56.771
across the board so yeah so

00:33:56.791 --> 00:33:58.173
that's a that's that's why

00:33:58.333 --> 00:33:59.252
I you know I'm willing to

00:33:59.292 --> 00:34:00.614
do digital and I'm willing

00:34:00.634 --> 00:34:01.815
to do it you know at a very

00:34:01.875 --> 00:34:02.955
low price because I want

00:34:02.996 --> 00:34:04.297
people to get the back issues

00:34:04.962 --> 00:34:06.203
But I really like people to

00:34:06.223 --> 00:34:08.103
get physical media too, though.

00:34:08.545 --> 00:34:09.644
So I'm trying to do that as

00:34:09.885 --> 00:34:11.626
low a price as I can as well,

00:34:12.365 --> 00:34:13.427
simply because I think,

00:34:14.487 --> 00:34:16.007
I back Kickstarters myself

00:34:16.068 --> 00:34:17.809
and I know how I am.

00:34:18.728 --> 00:34:20.349
And how I am is if I get a

00:34:20.389 --> 00:34:21.710
hard copy of a comic book,

00:34:21.791 --> 00:34:23.110
I'm almost certainly gonna read it.

00:34:23.510 --> 00:34:25.572
If I get a digital copy of a comic book,

00:34:25.612 --> 00:34:26.932
it's probably downloaded in

00:34:26.992 --> 00:34:28.934
some disk drive on some

00:34:29.014 --> 00:34:30.134
folder in my computer.

00:34:30.514 --> 00:34:33.076
And maybe I'll look at it at some point

00:34:34.297 --> 00:34:35.197
So it's funny you just

00:34:35.237 --> 00:34:36.237
brought that up because

00:34:36.277 --> 00:34:37.458
that's literally what I do

00:34:37.478 --> 00:34:40.838
with my digital comics that

00:34:40.898 --> 00:34:42.820
I get is I create a folder.

00:34:43.860 --> 00:34:45.880
Like, say, for instance, you, Ben,

00:34:46.721 --> 00:34:47.681
you have two folders

00:34:47.721 --> 00:34:49.081
currently on my computer,

00:34:49.561 --> 00:34:50.782
one for our first interview

00:34:51.742 --> 00:34:53.483
and then also for one for this interview.

00:34:53.503 --> 00:34:54.384
Yeah.

00:34:54.443 --> 00:34:55.764
And within each of those folders,

00:34:55.903 --> 00:34:57.644
I have the digital copies

00:34:57.784 --> 00:34:58.965
of your books that

00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:01.119
And what I do is I'll read

00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:01.960
it when you first send it

00:35:01.981 --> 00:35:04.981
to me so I can like, yeah, absolutely.

00:35:05.601 --> 00:35:07.422
I want to bring you on and

00:35:07.463 --> 00:35:08.463
we'll do this interview.

00:35:09.103 --> 00:35:10.724
And then I also go back and

00:35:10.784 --> 00:35:11.824
read it the day of.

00:35:11.844 --> 00:35:13.684
So I literally before coming live with you,

00:35:13.784 --> 00:35:16.425
I read eight issues of Shark of War.

00:35:16.445 --> 00:35:16.686
Oh, fantastic.

00:35:18.186 --> 00:35:20.047
It's it's how I like to do

00:35:20.067 --> 00:35:22.168
things that way when we sit down to talk.

00:35:23.186 --> 00:35:24.206
I have everything still

00:35:24.266 --> 00:35:26.467
fresh in my head from just reading it,

00:35:26.768 --> 00:35:29.349
you know, and I can, you know,

00:35:29.469 --> 00:35:30.289
in case you touch on

00:35:30.329 --> 00:35:31.590
something that I'm not tracking on,

00:35:31.630 --> 00:35:33.269
I can be like, all right,

00:35:33.289 --> 00:35:34.190
that must be issue nine

00:35:34.210 --> 00:35:34.891
because I haven't read

00:35:34.951 --> 00:35:35.972
issue nine yet myself.

00:35:36.411 --> 00:35:36.751
Right.

00:35:37.492 --> 00:35:37.711
Yeah.

00:35:37.731 --> 00:35:39.353
So that's, yeah, that's, that's great.

00:35:39.393 --> 00:35:41.134
But yeah, like I said, I think,

00:35:41.414 --> 00:35:43.315
I think people, I think people,

00:35:43.335 --> 00:35:44.594
a lot of people, maybe I'm,

00:35:44.614 --> 00:35:46.036
maybe it's because I'm older and,

00:35:46.155 --> 00:35:47.096
you know, and I'm, you know,

00:35:47.117 --> 00:35:48.416
I'm a relic of an,

00:35:48.757 --> 00:35:50.498
of an age of print media, but, uh,

00:35:51.396 --> 00:35:52.317
I think people are more

00:35:52.336 --> 00:35:53.476
likely to read it if they

00:35:53.516 --> 00:35:54.717
have the physical copy

00:35:55.157 --> 00:35:57.179
sitting around rather than the digital.

00:35:57.498 --> 00:35:59.260
But maybe for younger people,

00:35:59.300 --> 00:36:00.199
it's the opposite.

00:36:00.219 --> 00:36:04.963
I'm a physical media guy.

00:36:05.123 --> 00:36:06.862
I love the smell of a

00:36:06.963 --> 00:36:09.085
freshly printed comic book.

00:36:09.525 --> 00:36:09.724
Right.

00:36:10.224 --> 00:36:11.666
Not the ones that have gone to the store,

00:36:11.686 --> 00:36:13.387
but like when it went from

00:36:13.427 --> 00:36:15.728
the press to say your house

00:36:15.768 --> 00:36:18.009
and then your house to a, you know,

00:36:18.869 --> 00:36:22.152
a box to my house right it

00:36:22.172 --> 00:36:24.855
is and you can tell like

00:36:24.914 --> 00:36:26.157
each place has each

00:36:26.197 --> 00:36:27.277
printing company has its

00:36:27.378 --> 00:36:29.059
own unique smell from the

00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:30.521
paper and the print that

00:36:30.561 --> 00:36:32.242
they use right and that

00:36:32.262 --> 00:36:33.443
will never get old with me

00:36:33.684 --> 00:36:35.746
I will always love that

00:36:35.806 --> 00:36:37.307
smell of a fresh comic book

00:36:37.347 --> 00:36:39.550
that arrives to my house oh that's good

00:36:40.150 --> 00:36:41.072
Yeah.

00:36:41.112 --> 00:36:42.052
So I know exactly what

00:36:42.072 --> 00:36:42.733
you're talking about when

00:36:42.753 --> 00:36:43.373
you're talking about

00:36:44.012 --> 00:36:45.773
physical media being in your hands.

00:36:45.835 --> 00:36:47.034
It's one of my favorite things.

00:36:47.175 --> 00:36:47.815
Yeah.

00:36:48.076 --> 00:36:49.056
I also like the reading

00:36:49.115 --> 00:36:50.396
experience better too.

00:36:50.496 --> 00:36:51.277
I mean, I have, you know,

00:36:51.297 --> 00:36:53.338
I have a decent sized tablet so I can,

00:36:53.539 --> 00:36:53.699
you know,

00:36:53.778 --> 00:36:55.579
I can read a book okay on my

00:36:55.619 --> 00:36:57.400
tablet or I can read it on my desktop.

00:36:57.802 --> 00:37:01.963
But you can see things better, I think,

00:37:02.023 --> 00:37:04.005
when it's, you know, on paper and you can,

00:37:04.326 --> 00:37:04.565
you know,

00:37:05.512 --> 00:37:06.534
Even though it's not hard to

00:37:06.554 --> 00:37:08.096
flip back and forth on the computer,

00:37:08.155 --> 00:37:09.938
it's even easier to do it

00:37:10.438 --> 00:37:13.081
when you have an actual physical copy.

00:37:13.141 --> 00:37:13.822
Oh, a hundred percent.

00:37:13.842 --> 00:37:14.543
A hundred percent.

00:37:15.125 --> 00:37:16.626
And like me, I like to...

00:37:18.652 --> 00:37:19.913
study the pages as well.

00:37:19.952 --> 00:37:21.733
So I'll read the page and I

00:37:21.793 --> 00:37:23.014
actually pay attention to

00:37:23.054 --> 00:37:24.695
the art because I'm looking

00:37:24.715 --> 00:37:26.117
for something that's hidden.

00:37:26.637 --> 00:37:26.818
Right.

00:37:26.838 --> 00:37:28.079
A lot of artists, they,

00:37:28.259 --> 00:37:29.239
they will put little subtle

00:37:29.380 --> 00:37:30.641
Easter ads in places.

00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:32.581
And when I'm reading a book,

00:37:32.621 --> 00:37:34.864
I like to go in like, Oh,

00:37:34.884 --> 00:37:36.405
there's a subtle hint to

00:37:36.425 --> 00:37:37.626
this little thing over here

00:37:37.646 --> 00:37:38.365
from this book.

00:37:38.385 --> 00:37:38.626
Right.

00:37:39.047 --> 00:37:39.887
So that's,

00:37:39.907 --> 00:37:41.088
that's why I enjoy the most

00:37:41.128 --> 00:37:42.630
about it is I put eyes on

00:37:42.730 --> 00:37:44.010
it and I liked it.

00:37:44.996 --> 00:37:46.117
like to look at the art

00:37:46.297 --> 00:37:47.838
actually like look at the

00:37:47.998 --> 00:37:49.880
art not zoom in on the

00:37:49.900 --> 00:37:51.960
computer is that I can but

00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:53.641
I think when it's printed

00:37:53.802 --> 00:37:57.384
on the comic book page and

00:37:57.523 --> 00:37:58.864
you you get that more depth

00:37:58.925 --> 00:38:00.385
in the detail of it you

00:38:00.425 --> 00:38:05.088
know so but that's me and

00:38:05.108 --> 00:38:08.090
apparently you too yeah so

00:38:08.351 --> 00:38:10.211
with that man um

00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:13.003
What has been the biggest

00:38:13.103 --> 00:38:15.164
challenge and the biggest

00:38:15.206 --> 00:38:17.268
reward while bringing Shark

00:38:17.307 --> 00:38:18.349
of War to life?

00:38:18.789 --> 00:38:20.492
Not just issue nine, but across the board,

00:38:20.532 --> 00:38:22.635
like all nine issues, man, because I mean,

00:38:22.695 --> 00:38:24.277
nine issues is huge for a

00:38:24.336 --> 00:38:25.639
Kickstarter indie comic.

00:38:26.420 --> 00:38:27.440
you know it's it's always

00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:28.721
the kickstarter I mean it's

00:38:28.740 --> 00:38:30.581
getting it funded and and

00:38:30.641 --> 00:38:31.842
getting getting it over the

00:38:31.902 --> 00:38:34.483
line um you know writing

00:38:34.523 --> 00:38:36.342
the story is you know it's

00:38:36.362 --> 00:38:37.443
a little time consuming

00:38:37.503 --> 00:38:38.563
working with the artist

00:38:38.623 --> 00:38:39.983
it's all time consuming but

00:38:40.003 --> 00:38:41.385
it's it's it's the part you

00:38:41.425 --> 00:38:43.646
want to do um getting the

00:38:43.686 --> 00:38:46.065
kick promoting the book get

00:38:46.106 --> 00:38:46.726
it promoting the

00:38:46.746 --> 00:38:48.507
kickstarter running the

00:38:48.547 --> 00:38:51.327
kickstarter you know having to you know

00:38:52.577 --> 00:38:53.358
get it funded.

00:38:53.739 --> 00:38:55.159
Those are the things that, you know,

00:38:55.699 --> 00:38:57.280
you know, are the hardest part.

00:38:57.320 --> 00:38:59.740
You know, if I, if I, if I was like, uh,

00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:01.041
what's that guy's name?

00:39:01.242 --> 00:39:03.563
Brandon Sanderson, you know, or, you know,

00:39:03.623 --> 00:39:05.182
he just puts a book out and, you know,

00:39:05.242 --> 00:39:07.503
he gets, you know, ten thousand backers,

00:39:07.603 --> 00:39:07.885
you know,

00:39:07.905 --> 00:39:10.105
a million dollars of funding right away.

00:39:10.505 --> 00:39:10.985
You know,

00:39:11.166 --> 00:39:12.987
that would make this much easier.

00:39:13.106 --> 00:39:14.467
You know, I don't even need that if,

00:39:14.487 --> 00:39:15.768
you know, if it made, you know,

00:39:15.788 --> 00:39:16.927
if it made, you know,

00:39:16.987 --> 00:39:18.228
if it funded on day two.

00:39:19.228 --> 00:39:20.909
and then made a little over

00:39:20.969 --> 00:39:23.550
its funding amount, by the end,

00:39:23.630 --> 00:39:24.751
I'd be quite happy,

00:39:24.831 --> 00:39:26.351
and it's easy to do this.

00:39:26.592 --> 00:39:27.771
It's crazy you brought that up,

00:39:27.811 --> 00:39:29.132
because not just that one,

00:39:29.172 --> 00:39:33.594
but when Mark Spears did Monster,

00:39:34.355 --> 00:39:35.135
or Monsters,

00:39:35.275 --> 00:39:36.496
his very first one was done

00:39:36.536 --> 00:39:37.717
on Kickstarter before it

00:39:37.737 --> 00:39:39.378
was picked up by a publishing company,

00:39:40.619 --> 00:39:43.500
and that thing was like,

00:39:45.333 --> 00:39:46.373
I think maybe a day,

00:39:46.454 --> 00:39:47.655
day and a half or something.

00:39:48.215 --> 00:39:49.036
And then within a week,

00:39:49.096 --> 00:39:50.916
it was picked up by a publishing company.

00:39:51.117 --> 00:39:51.737
Wow.

00:39:51.777 --> 00:39:53.659
So it was kind of crazy in seeing that.

00:39:55.920 --> 00:40:00.023
Was that early days of Kickstarter?

00:40:00.043 --> 00:40:00.284
No.

00:40:00.443 --> 00:40:02.065
Muster's come out earlier this year,

00:40:02.085 --> 00:40:03.367
I believe, or late last year.

00:40:03.766 --> 00:40:05.068
Oh, is he well known?

00:40:05.407 --> 00:40:05.989
I don't know.

00:40:06.028 --> 00:40:06.728
Mark Spears?

00:40:06.789 --> 00:40:07.130
Yeah.

00:40:08.670 --> 00:40:10.391
Yeah.

00:40:10.431 --> 00:40:10.972
Definitely.

00:40:11.632 --> 00:40:13.675
He's got a very unique art style.

00:40:14.889 --> 00:40:18.213
style and it's very vibrant

00:40:18.253 --> 00:40:20.454
and colorful not to the

00:40:20.494 --> 00:40:23.376
level of um what's his name

00:40:23.396 --> 00:40:24.277
the dude who did the art

00:40:24.297 --> 00:40:25.579
for daredevil born again

00:40:25.699 --> 00:40:28.902
the tv series you're like

00:40:28.942 --> 00:40:30.163
frank miller or you're not

00:40:30.182 --> 00:40:31.503
thinking of him right not

00:40:31.523 --> 00:40:34.266
frank miller no um barley

00:40:34.606 --> 00:40:36.728
um something mac oh david

00:40:36.768 --> 00:40:38.869
mac or daniel mac something like that oh

00:40:40.748 --> 00:40:42.048
he he does really cool

00:40:42.208 --> 00:40:43.751
abstract type of covers but

00:40:43.811 --> 00:40:47.474
mark spears is a very like

00:40:47.673 --> 00:40:50.135
very um sort of look for

00:40:51.077 --> 00:40:52.297
like almost ultraviolet in

00:40:52.318 --> 00:40:53.900
the coloring of it like if

00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:55.240
you were to put it under a

00:40:55.601 --> 00:40:56.561
black light or something

00:40:57.443 --> 00:40:58.344
the colors in it would

00:40:58.403 --> 00:40:59.445
really pop but it's just

00:40:59.485 --> 00:41:01.166
very cool like covers and

00:41:01.206 --> 00:41:04.268
stuff like that but again like

00:41:05.304 --> 00:41:06.324
I think by the end of his

00:41:06.344 --> 00:41:07.686
campaign or something like that,

00:41:07.766 --> 00:41:09.246
he was picked up and funded

00:41:09.306 --> 00:41:11.347
by the Keen Spot,

00:41:11.407 --> 00:41:12.668
which is a hundred percent

00:41:12.987 --> 00:41:14.108
indie company as well.

00:41:15.469 --> 00:41:17.130
And I think they're doing some really,

00:41:17.929 --> 00:41:21.452
really good work right now, personally.

00:41:22.512 --> 00:41:23.592
There's some really cool,

00:41:23.652 --> 00:41:24.813
really good indie companies

00:41:24.873 --> 00:41:27.114
out there who are putting out some very,

00:41:27.153 --> 00:41:30.896
very good books that that's, you know,

00:41:30.916 --> 00:41:31.615
I'm an indie guy.

00:41:31.715 --> 00:41:32.836
I love indie comic books.

00:41:34.297 --> 00:41:35.157
I think they're doing some

00:41:35.237 --> 00:41:36.199
really good things don't

00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:37.318
run with scissors if you I

00:41:37.338 --> 00:41:38.018
don't know if you've heard

00:41:38.059 --> 00:41:40.139
of it there's a very good

00:41:40.980 --> 00:41:42.661
horror comic book from done

00:41:42.681 --> 00:41:43.760
by an artist and a writer

00:41:43.820 --> 00:41:46.322
out of italy oh okay and

00:41:47.963 --> 00:41:49.182
the covers are really fun

00:41:49.222 --> 00:41:51.103
and really unique but the

00:41:51.143 --> 00:41:52.284
story itself is like this

00:41:52.364 --> 00:41:54.644
dark very much horror

00:41:54.704 --> 00:41:57.065
filled comic book and I'm like

00:41:59.610 --> 00:42:00.650
I see what you're doing over there.

00:42:00.670 --> 00:42:03.873
It's not something you imagine.

00:42:05.894 --> 00:42:08.496
France did that one shark

00:42:08.536 --> 00:42:10.958
movie where there was a

00:42:10.998 --> 00:42:12.079
shark under the water.

00:42:12.099 --> 00:42:13.639
It was in the sewers of

00:42:13.699 --> 00:42:14.679
France or something.

00:42:15.121 --> 00:42:15.800
Exactly.

00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:18.063
That sounded terrible.

00:42:18.083 --> 00:42:20.003
It's very unique.

00:42:20.023 --> 00:42:20.684
It was different.

00:42:22.144 --> 00:42:23.405
I was just like,

00:42:23.445 --> 00:42:25.467
they bring a new fresh feel

00:42:25.507 --> 00:42:26.947
of horror to their stuff.

00:42:27.007 --> 00:42:27.568
I'm like,

00:42:28.166 --> 00:42:30.688
I'm like, okay, I can get behind this.

00:42:30.708 --> 00:42:31.628
And it's been a phenomenal,

00:42:31.668 --> 00:42:32.570
phenomenal read.

00:42:33.170 --> 00:42:34.371
I know we're off base right now.

00:42:34.913 --> 00:42:36.293
I'll reel it back in for us.

00:42:37.916 --> 00:42:38.896
So walk us through some of

00:42:38.936 --> 00:42:40.177
the rewards readers can

00:42:40.237 --> 00:42:41.539
expect with this Kickstarter,

00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:42.820
both for returning fans and

00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:44.101
for brand new backers as well.

00:42:44.641 --> 00:42:46.143
I know you touched on it just a little bit,

00:42:46.164 --> 00:42:47.324
but I'll let you expand on it.

00:42:48.378 --> 00:42:50.699
Yeah, I mean, the obvious one is, you know,

00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:53.902
you have the digital solo, you know,

00:42:54.342 --> 00:42:55.161
issue nine,

00:42:55.561 --> 00:42:58.123
both digital and hardcover for

00:42:58.184 --> 00:42:59.344
people who are returning

00:42:59.364 --> 00:43:01.105
who already have the book.

00:43:01.545 --> 00:43:02.626
If you buy the hardcover,

00:43:02.646 --> 00:43:03.965
you get the digital with it.

00:43:04.545 --> 00:43:06.606
And then, you know,

00:43:06.626 --> 00:43:07.668
then going up from there

00:43:07.708 --> 00:43:10.228
for the digital fans, we have, you know,

00:43:10.329 --> 00:43:11.329
all my digital, you know,

00:43:11.409 --> 00:43:12.789
all the Shark of War digital,

00:43:12.829 --> 00:43:14.451
which is nine issues.

00:43:15.050 --> 00:43:16.413
And then if you want everything,

00:43:16.552 --> 00:43:19.034
you get all of Shark of War, nine issues,

00:43:19.436 --> 00:43:20.356
Cthulhu Man,

00:43:21.318 --> 00:43:23.039
three issues of Vicious Vixens,

00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:24.541
and two issues of Samson.

00:43:25.121 --> 00:43:26.222
And the universes,

00:43:26.302 --> 00:43:27.965
you can see how it all ties

00:43:28.005 --> 00:43:31.108
together in those books

00:43:31.148 --> 00:43:33.231
with characters from, you know,

00:43:33.550 --> 00:43:35.311
Shark of War appearing both

00:43:35.391 --> 00:43:38.193
now in Cthulhu Man and Vicious Vixens.

00:43:38.875 --> 00:43:40.456
And in issue three,

00:43:40.476 --> 00:43:42.137
we're going to see a cameo

00:43:42.177 --> 00:43:43.237
by one of the characters

00:43:43.257 --> 00:43:45.139
from Shark of War in Samson.

00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:47.242
Oh, nice.

00:43:47.262 --> 00:43:47.782
I was about to ask.

00:43:47.842 --> 00:43:48.061
I'm like,

00:43:48.101 --> 00:43:49.764
we haven't seen a tie-in to Samson yet.

00:43:49.784 --> 00:43:50.284
Yeah, well,

00:43:50.324 --> 00:43:52.646
Samson right now is taking

00:43:52.666 --> 00:43:54.887
place at a different time period.

00:43:55.168 --> 00:43:57.030
But we're going to start to

00:43:57.050 --> 00:43:59.152
see how that era unfolds.

00:43:59.431 --> 00:44:00.271
it takes place in the

00:44:00.311 --> 00:44:01.632
nineteen nineties leads up

00:44:01.672 --> 00:44:03.914
to to to to shark of war

00:44:03.954 --> 00:44:05.014
that's really no I like

00:44:05.054 --> 00:44:06.675
that kind of current day so

00:44:06.695 --> 00:44:07.775
we're going to see a cameo

00:44:07.815 --> 00:44:09.317
by one a major character

00:44:09.376 --> 00:44:10.856
from from those comic books

00:44:10.876 --> 00:44:12.717
I like it I like that's the

00:44:12.757 --> 00:44:16.099
number three um so like

00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:17.219
when a big universe like

00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:19.021
that can be tied in

00:44:19.041 --> 00:44:20.300
together and like all your

00:44:20.342 --> 00:44:21.561
works kind of have that one

00:44:21.581 --> 00:44:22.461
little element that can

00:44:22.521 --> 00:44:23.422
bring them all together

00:44:23.893 --> 00:44:25.594
Yeah, I wasn't going to do it at first.

00:44:25.675 --> 00:44:26.695
I was going to have Samson

00:44:26.715 --> 00:44:27.775
be a separate universe.

00:44:27.815 --> 00:44:29.376
And my younger son was like, no,

00:44:29.436 --> 00:44:31.016
you have to have it all be one universe.

00:44:31.036 --> 00:44:33.336
You have to have a consistent universe.

00:44:33.637 --> 00:44:35.217
And at first I was resisting it.

00:44:35.237 --> 00:44:36.097
And then I started thinking

00:44:36.137 --> 00:44:37.358
about it and like, you know,

00:44:37.378 --> 00:44:37.918
that'll work.

00:44:38.338 --> 00:44:38.778
He ain't wrong.

00:44:38.878 --> 00:44:39.659
He's not wrong.

00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:41.360
Listen to that young man.

00:44:41.500 --> 00:44:42.820
At first I thought it wouldn't work.

00:44:42.860 --> 00:44:44.380
And then I thought about it more and more.

00:44:44.420 --> 00:44:45.802
And I said, you know, that will work.

00:44:46.326 --> 00:44:48.150
And it actually will make

00:44:48.190 --> 00:44:49.974
things improve things.

00:44:50.014 --> 00:44:50.775
So I'm going to do it.

00:44:50.936 --> 00:44:51.518
I like it.

00:44:51.657 --> 00:44:52.360
I like it a lot.

00:44:52.619 --> 00:44:53.422
That actually kind of

00:44:53.442 --> 00:44:54.523
changed my thinking about

00:44:54.583 --> 00:44:55.887
how Samson three was going

00:44:55.907 --> 00:44:56.708
to go a little bit.

00:44:57.594 --> 00:45:00.195
um but yeah anyway so for

00:45:00.295 --> 00:45:01.556
also for everybody there

00:45:01.577 --> 00:45:02.597
are there are two variant

00:45:02.637 --> 00:45:03.717
covers there's the base

00:45:03.757 --> 00:45:05.139
cover which is inspired by

00:45:05.179 --> 00:45:06.798
an old marvel marvel

00:45:06.838 --> 00:45:08.340
monsters cover and then

00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:09.300
there's the two variant

00:45:09.340 --> 00:45:11.081
covers I always do a spoof

00:45:11.141 --> 00:45:12.902
of the jaws movie poster or

00:45:13.041 --> 00:45:14.063
one of the jaws movie

00:45:14.103 --> 00:45:16.384
posters this one kind of is

00:45:16.403 --> 00:45:17.983
you know spins it around

00:45:18.003 --> 00:45:19.485
and you see he's he's not

00:45:19.525 --> 00:45:21.726
the attacker he's the attacked and the uh

00:45:22.061 --> 00:45:23.702
the woman in the jaws poster

00:45:23.722 --> 00:45:25.644
is kind of just being floating aside.

00:45:27.945 --> 00:45:29.166
You always have unique

00:45:29.568 --> 00:45:30.929
covers on shark of war.

00:45:31.068 --> 00:45:32.469
Like that was another thing

00:45:32.489 --> 00:45:33.851
when in the bonus material

00:45:33.891 --> 00:45:35.411
that you'll see is,

00:45:35.431 --> 00:45:36.452
I always put the colors in

00:45:36.512 --> 00:45:37.813
the digital bonus too.

00:45:37.833 --> 00:45:39.215
So you get a, you get a copy,

00:45:39.715 --> 00:45:40.956
even if you don't buy them,

00:45:40.996 --> 00:45:42.336
buying the actual copy,

00:45:42.356 --> 00:45:43.177
you get to see it.

00:45:43.918 --> 00:45:44.378
Um, yeah.

00:45:44.398 --> 00:45:44.898
And the other,

00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:46.740
the other variant cover is a,

00:45:46.981 --> 00:45:49.802
is a homage to fantastic for number one.

00:45:50.570 --> 00:45:51.271
with, you know,

00:45:51.311 --> 00:45:52.791
the cast of characters in

00:45:52.851 --> 00:45:53.893
place of the... No,

00:45:54.592 --> 00:45:55.753
that's another really good one.

00:45:56.994 --> 00:45:57.375
So, yeah,

00:45:57.394 --> 00:45:59.617
so those are your... So those are

00:45:59.677 --> 00:46:00.637
kind of your base,

00:46:01.217 --> 00:46:02.579
what I call your base rewards.

00:46:02.619 --> 00:46:03.940
And then, you know, you have the rewards.

00:46:03.980 --> 00:46:05.460
You can get all three covers.

00:46:06.041 --> 00:46:06.742
You have the rewards.

00:46:06.762 --> 00:46:07.822
You can get all the physical

00:46:07.862 --> 00:46:11.365
copies of Shark of War, you know,

00:46:11.485 --> 00:46:12.907
including the hardcover,

00:46:12.947 --> 00:46:14.849
which collects issues one through five,

00:46:14.989 --> 00:46:16.530
issues six, seven, and eight,

00:46:16.650 --> 00:46:18.030
nine as floppy issues.

00:46:18.775 --> 00:46:20.155
and there's the jaws version

00:46:20.215 --> 00:46:22.257
of those covers as well, which is,

00:46:22.336 --> 00:46:23.237
you know, so what you do.

00:46:23.297 --> 00:46:25.079
And so with the new art starting,

00:46:25.099 --> 00:46:26.199
are you going to take six

00:46:26.239 --> 00:46:27.820
through nine and do a

00:46:27.860 --> 00:46:28.960
hardback of those as well?

00:46:29.420 --> 00:46:30.541
I don't know, you know,

00:46:30.581 --> 00:46:32.242
from a business point of view,

00:46:32.722 --> 00:46:33.664
I don't know if I sell

00:46:33.704 --> 00:46:34.864
enough of the hardcovers to

00:46:34.885 --> 00:46:35.945
make it worthwhile yet.

00:46:35.965 --> 00:46:36.806
Yeah.

00:46:36.865 --> 00:46:38.626
So I'm not sure if I'm going to do that.

00:46:39.007 --> 00:46:41.489
I thought about it, but, but you know, it,

00:46:41.528 --> 00:46:41.768
you know,

00:46:42.230 --> 00:46:43.891
to make, to publish hardcovers,

00:46:43.931 --> 00:46:44.550
you really have to,

00:46:44.771 --> 00:46:46.112
you have to buy a ball in

00:46:46.152 --> 00:46:47.012
bulk from China.

00:46:47.572 --> 00:46:49.353
So, so you have to, you know,

00:46:49.373 --> 00:46:50.715
if you're not selling a lot of them,

00:46:50.775 --> 00:46:50.934
you're,

00:46:51.335 --> 00:46:53.195
you've got a lot of inventory left over.

00:46:53.775 --> 00:46:55.637
So I'm not sure if I'm going to,

00:46:55.876 --> 00:46:57.097
I'm in a rush to do that.

00:46:57.418 --> 00:46:57.677
I could,

00:46:57.938 --> 00:46:59.418
I may wind up combining the last

00:46:59.458 --> 00:47:00.980
two arcs and make, you know, one,

00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:02.181
you know, you know, make,

00:47:02.300 --> 00:47:04.181
have issue five and then, you know,

00:47:04.302 --> 00:47:05.682
one through five and then issues,

00:47:05.702 --> 00:47:07.603
you know, six through, you know,

00:47:07.664 --> 00:47:09.043
twelve or whatever it goes.

00:47:09.063 --> 00:47:09.565
Okay.

00:47:09.625 --> 00:47:10.085
You know,

00:47:10.494 --> 00:47:11.875
you know however many issues

00:47:11.914 --> 00:47:13.096
it takes to for the third

00:47:13.255 --> 00:47:14.896
arc and have that be one

00:47:14.936 --> 00:47:17.077
hard cover well okay but

00:47:17.556 --> 00:47:19.938
you know yeah I I I it the

00:47:20.418 --> 00:47:21.898
the economics of it you

00:47:21.918 --> 00:47:23.298
know and the effort to do

00:47:23.378 --> 00:47:24.679
it don't always make it

00:47:24.739 --> 00:47:28.380
work out so yeah but so so

00:47:28.619 --> 00:47:29.501
at this point you know if I

00:47:29.521 --> 00:47:30.581
was larger you know I'd

00:47:30.641 --> 00:47:32.762
definitely do it um because

00:47:33.101 --> 00:47:35.161
then the the economics

00:47:35.181 --> 00:47:37.202
would definitely work out um

00:47:38.463 --> 00:47:40.487
So then you have one arcs

00:47:40.507 --> 00:47:41.668
where you can get rewards,

00:47:41.688 --> 00:47:43.150
where you can get all, you know,

00:47:43.210 --> 00:47:44.012
all the books.

00:47:44.532 --> 00:47:46.335
And then there's, you know, the, the,

00:47:46.355 --> 00:47:47.657
the biggest reward of course,

00:47:47.697 --> 00:47:48.978
is being drawn in the book.

00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:50.501
Um, you know,

00:47:50.521 --> 00:47:52.563
there's a couple of cameo spots where you,

00:47:52.583 --> 00:47:55.146
you get, you know, you're either killed.

00:47:55.797 --> 00:47:57.798
in the battle or you're with

00:47:57.818 --> 00:47:59.199
the shark of war is one of

00:47:59.219 --> 00:48:01.603
the bad guys or you're one

00:48:01.643 --> 00:48:03.744
of the henchmen or something like that,

00:48:03.804 --> 00:48:05.166
you may or may not get killed.

00:48:05.206 --> 00:48:06.628
But there's at least three

00:48:06.648 --> 00:48:10.931
or four possible be drawn in a cameo.

00:48:10.972 --> 00:48:12.552
It's only a panel cameo.

00:48:12.612 --> 00:48:14.034
So it's not even normally I

00:48:14.094 --> 00:48:15.916
charge for bigger scenes.

00:48:17.016 --> 00:48:19.838
Like last issue and issue eight,

00:48:19.958 --> 00:48:21.679
we talked about the creatures,

00:48:22.438 --> 00:48:23.318
the monsters.

00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:27.681
Those people paid to be...

00:48:27.780 --> 00:48:29.041
The faces you saw on those,

00:48:29.601 --> 00:48:31.661
those were people, backers of the book.

00:48:31.742 --> 00:48:32.402
Every one of those.

00:48:32.501 --> 00:48:32.782
Nice.

00:48:32.802 --> 00:48:33.742
That's really cool.

00:48:33.862 --> 00:48:34.422
Those main people.

00:48:34.443 --> 00:48:35.063
But I know that can be...

00:48:35.902 --> 00:48:36.083
Yeah.

00:48:36.202 --> 00:48:36.943
Hard to do.

00:48:37.083 --> 00:48:37.324
Yeah.

00:48:37.804 --> 00:48:37.945
Yeah.

00:48:37.965 --> 00:48:40.586
So, so that, that, so that was a, you know,

00:48:40.626 --> 00:48:43.009
a pretty higher tier reward because,

00:48:43.068 --> 00:48:43.588
you know,

00:48:43.728 --> 00:48:45.030
they not only got to be drawn

00:48:45.050 --> 00:48:45.751
into creatures,

00:48:45.951 --> 00:48:47.692
they each got several panels,

00:48:47.911 --> 00:48:50.134
good panels of, of them, you know,

00:48:50.253 --> 00:48:50.855
in action.

00:48:50.934 --> 00:48:51.414
In the escape.

00:48:51.434 --> 00:48:51.574
Yeah.

00:48:51.594 --> 00:48:51.715
Yeah.

00:48:51.815 --> 00:48:56.659
And, you know, it was kind of cool too.

00:48:56.699 --> 00:48:57.820
Like one person, you know,

00:48:58.159 --> 00:48:59.621
he does his own indie comic

00:48:59.661 --> 00:49:00.983
and he wanted his indie comic.

00:49:01.202 --> 00:49:02.202
He didn't want himself drawn

00:49:02.244 --> 00:49:03.724
and he wanted his own indie comic.

00:49:03.905 --> 00:49:04.724
Oh, that's really cool.

00:49:04.784 --> 00:49:04.885
Yeah.

00:49:05.786 --> 00:49:07.027
And that's one of those things where,

00:49:08.509 --> 00:49:08.768
you know,

00:49:08.789 --> 00:49:09.949
I'm kind of the same way when it

00:49:09.989 --> 00:49:11.652
comes to my social media presence.

00:49:11.672 --> 00:49:13.853
You're not going to find, like, my stuff.

00:49:13.934 --> 00:49:16.536
But for me, it's about the podcast.

00:49:16.976 --> 00:49:17.217
Right.

00:49:17.237 --> 00:49:18.059
So I try to make everything

00:49:18.099 --> 00:49:19.119
about the podcast.

00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:20.740
Like, no matter what I'm doing,

00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:22.682
I will circle it back to what I do here.

00:49:23.123 --> 00:49:23.463
Mm-hmm.

00:49:24.188 --> 00:49:25.389
Because I'm really trying to

00:49:25.409 --> 00:49:29.289
bring people in to the podcast to see Ben,

00:49:29.329 --> 00:49:32.311
to see Mike, who was just on,

00:49:32.431 --> 00:49:33.210
and before that,

00:49:33.391 --> 00:49:34.811
Bruno earlier this month.

00:49:34.831 --> 00:49:35.871
Oh, okay.

00:49:36.012 --> 00:49:37.713
I know Bruno.

00:49:37.753 --> 00:49:39.092
Bruno's good people, man.

00:49:39.472 --> 00:49:40.213
And so is Mike.

00:49:41.373 --> 00:49:43.454
But I try to circle

00:49:43.474 --> 00:49:44.315
everything back so I can

00:49:44.335 --> 00:49:47.195
get eyes on people like you

00:49:47.255 --> 00:49:48.615
who come on and present

00:49:48.655 --> 00:49:50.215
their Kickstarter for everybody.

00:49:50.376 --> 00:49:51.777
And that's really been a

00:49:51.817 --> 00:49:53.036
direction I've been taking forward.

00:49:54.436 --> 00:49:56.418
Inadvertently, but I love it,

00:49:56.878 --> 00:49:59.961
taking the podcast to help

00:49:59.981 --> 00:50:00.943
spotlight Kickstarter

00:50:00.983 --> 00:50:03.224
campaigns and that kind of stuff.

00:50:03.505 --> 00:50:05.126
That's really what I've enjoyed doing.

00:50:05.306 --> 00:50:06.608
That's all I've done this month.

00:50:07.327 --> 00:50:10.751
You're my third one this month.

00:50:10.771 --> 00:50:11.851
I got one more after you.

00:50:14.554 --> 00:50:16.076
When I say this, it's literally like...

00:50:17.940 --> 00:50:19.121
If you know somebody with a

00:50:19.141 --> 00:50:20.081
Kickstarter going on and

00:50:20.101 --> 00:50:21.463
they need a platform,

00:50:21.922 --> 00:50:24.204
that's what the USDN has been here for.

00:50:24.304 --> 00:50:25.545
And I will continue to make

00:50:25.585 --> 00:50:26.347
it here for that.

00:50:28.108 --> 00:50:28.289
Yeah.

00:50:28.389 --> 00:50:30.811
I think you're on our, my list of, yeah,

00:50:30.831 --> 00:50:32.052
I think you're on our, our,

00:50:32.092 --> 00:50:32.733
we have a shared

00:50:32.793 --> 00:50:34.074
spreadsheet that we share

00:50:34.094 --> 00:50:35.034
amongst ourselves.

00:50:35.094 --> 00:50:37.056
And one of the tabs,

00:50:37.615 --> 00:50:40.478
this list podcast and you're, you know,

00:50:40.518 --> 00:50:41.639
you're listed on there.

00:50:41.699 --> 00:50:43.240
So, so people, you know,

00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:45.001
different creators want to

00:50:45.302 --> 00:50:47.103
want to look at that spreadsheet.

00:50:47.123 --> 00:50:47.963
Cause I share it with

00:50:48.103 --> 00:50:49.244
several Facebook groups.

00:50:49.565 --> 00:50:50.585
They can know that's awesome.

00:50:51.407 --> 00:50:52.467
It's an open invite.

00:50:52.648 --> 00:50:53.889
It's literally an email.

00:50:54.048 --> 00:50:55.170
That's how easy it is.

00:50:55.730 --> 00:50:57.652
Like all you do is show up and,

00:50:58.686 --> 00:50:59.867
talk about your comic book.

00:51:00.067 --> 00:51:02.148
I mean, it don't get no easier.

00:51:02.509 --> 00:51:02.889
Yeah.

00:51:03.010 --> 00:51:03.250
Yeah.

00:51:03.269 --> 00:51:05.271
It's, it's, it's been very easy to, to,

00:51:05.351 --> 00:51:06.391
to talk with you and I,

00:51:06.492 --> 00:51:08.373
I appreciate you having me on and stuff.

00:51:08.833 --> 00:51:10.536
I hope your audience enjoys it.

00:51:11.976 --> 00:51:14.458
They're, they're sticking with it.

00:51:14.579 --> 00:51:15.139
It was funny.

00:51:15.219 --> 00:51:18.842
Like before I was always like,

00:51:18.882 --> 00:51:20.364
I wouldn't know, you know, like,

00:51:21.224 --> 00:51:22.206
but now here lately I've

00:51:22.226 --> 00:51:23.327
been getting a lot of posts.

00:51:23.367 --> 00:51:24.887
Like I just had, um,

00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:28.661
Duke Electric on with Greg.

00:51:29.222 --> 00:51:30.824
Right.

00:51:30.844 --> 00:51:33.105
Beautiful Ash game he sent me.

00:51:33.286 --> 00:51:34.385
Really cool story.

00:51:37.869 --> 00:51:38.809
And like...

00:51:39.547 --> 00:51:41.048
I think there was like five

00:51:41.088 --> 00:51:42.168
or six people at one point

00:51:42.208 --> 00:51:43.809
watching his interview.

00:51:44.311 --> 00:51:45.771
And then it was like days later,

00:51:45.831 --> 00:51:46.652
somebody found that

00:51:46.731 --> 00:51:48.373
interview and left a comment on it.

00:51:48.853 --> 00:51:50.293
It was like, hey, this is really cool.

00:51:50.313 --> 00:51:52.315
And I'm like, oh, this is dope.

00:51:52.394 --> 00:51:53.014
I love this.

00:51:53.335 --> 00:51:54.615
I love when somebody finds

00:51:54.956 --> 00:51:56.336
their new favorite indie

00:51:56.356 --> 00:51:57.657
creator through my channel.

00:51:57.757 --> 00:51:59.179
I love that.

00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:02.400
So, yeah.

00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:03.621
That's enough about me, though.

00:52:03.721 --> 00:52:04.461
Let's get back to...

00:52:06.052 --> 00:52:07.152
to the shark of war.

00:52:07.652 --> 00:52:08.612
So we're coming up.

00:52:08.652 --> 00:52:10.454
This is the conclusion of a

00:52:10.534 --> 00:52:12.614
major arc within the shark

00:52:12.655 --> 00:52:14.596
of war without giving away too much.

00:52:15.195 --> 00:52:16.797
What is next for the shark of war?

00:52:16.916 --> 00:52:19.277
Once mega wealth showdown is done.

00:52:20.518 --> 00:52:22.800
Um, basically you're going to see in,

00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:25.780
in an all out war, um,

00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:29.882
between the United States, you know,

00:52:31.481 --> 00:52:32.443
what happens at the end of

00:52:32.623 --> 00:52:34.005
issue nine is basically

00:52:34.025 --> 00:52:36.208
going to lead to a state of open warfare.

00:52:36.768 --> 00:52:36.889
Um,

00:52:36.989 --> 00:52:39.072
we've seen Lupita Tiburon grabbing

00:52:39.112 --> 00:52:40.994
power and, you know,

00:52:41.135 --> 00:52:43.257
it's going to wind up in a, you know,

00:52:43.277 --> 00:52:44.940
and what she does is,

00:52:45.219 --> 00:52:47.563
is like somewhat shocking.

00:52:48.264 --> 00:52:48.844
Um, I think,

00:52:49.597 --> 00:52:50.478
Vaguely a little bit.

00:52:50.577 --> 00:52:51.458
I think people in the real

00:52:51.498 --> 00:52:53.021
world will relate to it a little bit,

00:52:53.181 --> 00:52:53.342
you know,

00:52:53.362 --> 00:52:54.543
without getting your shark

00:52:54.563 --> 00:52:55.324
aboard doesn't deal with

00:52:55.364 --> 00:52:57.907
real world issues that directly, you know,

00:52:59.027 --> 00:53:00.289
but, but you'll, you'll,

00:53:00.409 --> 00:53:01.771
you'll kind of recognize what,

00:53:01.871 --> 00:53:03.793
what the threat here is and

00:53:03.893 --> 00:53:05.576
that it's going to require

00:53:05.596 --> 00:53:06.777
a major response.

00:53:07.150 --> 00:53:08.550
So I've called tentatively

00:53:08.590 --> 00:53:10.510
dubbed the arc World War Shark,

00:53:10.851 --> 00:53:12.931
which is kind of a World War Hulk.

00:53:14.092 --> 00:53:17.954
And also a reality of what's

00:53:17.994 --> 00:53:18.554
going to happen.

00:53:18.594 --> 00:53:21.974
And the issue is it goes even bigger.

00:53:22.195 --> 00:53:24.295
Shark of War gets bigger and

00:53:24.335 --> 00:53:26.697
bigger with each issue.

00:53:26.817 --> 00:53:29.318
And at least that's the intention.

00:53:29.818 --> 00:53:31.699
And it gets bigger and bigger.

00:53:33.367 --> 00:53:34.710
some point you can't top yourself.

00:53:34.730 --> 00:53:35.431
So it's probably why it's

00:53:35.490 --> 00:53:36.512
only going to be a trilogy.

00:53:38.335 --> 00:53:39.175
That's perfect.

00:53:39.275 --> 00:53:39.757
I mean,

00:53:39.876 --> 00:53:41.199
unless he starts going into outer

00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:42.661
space and, you know, and fighting,

00:53:42.981 --> 00:53:44.782
fighting, fighting, you know,

00:53:44.884 --> 00:53:45.724
let's save that for the

00:53:45.744 --> 00:53:47.126
Fast and Furious franchise.

00:53:47.166 --> 00:53:47.447
Okay.

00:53:47.646 --> 00:53:48.407
But then, yeah,

00:53:48.467 --> 00:53:49.510
then we're going even

00:53:49.570 --> 00:53:50.831
further and I want to go, but.

00:53:52.431 --> 00:53:53.472
We're going too fast and too

00:53:53.512 --> 00:53:54.293
furious on this one.

00:53:54.313 --> 00:53:55.954
We've got to calm down a little bit, Ben.

00:53:56.054 --> 00:53:58.896
It's going to be a really big couple.

00:54:00.257 --> 00:54:01.797
The final story arc will be

00:54:01.818 --> 00:54:04.400
a really big couple issues with it.

00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:06.641
I like it.

00:54:07.101 --> 00:54:08.842
It'll end in a place where

00:54:09.764 --> 00:54:11.744
the story can continue,

00:54:11.864 --> 00:54:13.005
but you'll feel that you've

00:54:13.025 --> 00:54:14.467
gotten a satisfying ending

00:54:14.507 --> 00:54:16.489
for the whole trilogy.

00:54:16.548 --> 00:54:17.068
I like that.

00:54:17.248 --> 00:54:17.730
I like when...

00:54:18.643 --> 00:54:20.405
There's nothing better than a good,

00:54:20.684 --> 00:54:22.967
satisfying ending that can

00:54:23.027 --> 00:54:25.329
be replayed later if needed.

00:54:26.309 --> 00:54:27.931
Yeah, I think a lot of stories,

00:54:28.972 --> 00:54:31.215
even stories that have done really well,

00:54:31.375 --> 00:54:32.717
a lot of times the ending

00:54:32.777 --> 00:54:35.378
is kind of unsatisfying.

00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:36.019
Mm-hmm.

00:54:36.748 --> 00:54:37.728
you know that you're like oh

00:54:37.748 --> 00:54:38.570
the first part of that was

00:54:38.610 --> 00:54:39.849
great yeah that ending was

00:54:39.869 --> 00:54:43.471
kind of dumb but okay yeah

00:54:43.550 --> 00:54:45.931
exactly I'm hoping marvel

00:54:45.972 --> 00:54:49.472
and dc are notorious for

00:54:49.492 --> 00:54:50.313
that where they start a

00:54:50.393 --> 00:54:52.632
story strong and then it

00:54:52.672 --> 00:54:53.833
goes for maybe three or

00:54:53.853 --> 00:54:54.994
four issues longer than it

00:54:55.034 --> 00:54:56.335
should yeah and then you

00:54:56.355 --> 00:54:57.855
just get this shit ending

00:54:58.375 --> 00:54:59.215
pardon my language for

00:54:59.235 --> 00:55:00.275
anybody out there but it

00:55:00.295 --> 00:55:01.356
happens way too often

00:55:02.195 --> 00:55:02.916
they would have just stopped

00:55:02.936 --> 00:55:05.137
it at that one issue and

00:55:05.157 --> 00:55:06.036
then just be like okay

00:55:06.056 --> 00:55:08.237
that's we we stop it there

00:55:08.757 --> 00:55:09.478
we'll put the character on

00:55:09.498 --> 00:55:10.557
the shelf for a little bit

00:55:10.958 --> 00:55:11.878
then reach back up and

00:55:11.898 --> 00:55:12.679
bring them back for another

00:55:12.699 --> 00:55:14.398
story later but sometimes

00:55:14.418 --> 00:55:15.780
they just like oh we're

00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:16.719
gonna make this a twelve

00:55:16.780 --> 00:55:19.161
store twelve issue story

00:55:19.601 --> 00:55:21.240
with like four story arts

00:55:21.260 --> 00:55:22.101
happening in it and you're

00:55:22.121 --> 00:55:23.561
like y'all need to calm

00:55:23.601 --> 00:55:26.603
down all right you're doing

00:55:26.623 --> 00:55:28.543
too much you lost this

00:55:28.864 --> 00:55:29.943
after number five okay

00:55:32.318 --> 00:55:33.197
I won't say what book that

00:55:33.217 --> 00:55:34.498
was that I just finished

00:55:34.539 --> 00:55:36.239
with because I think it's

00:55:36.259 --> 00:55:37.798
still a few more issues left on it.

00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:38.760
But yeah,

00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:40.099
I'm going to finish it out

00:55:40.219 --> 00:55:41.740
because I'm committed at this point.

00:55:42.240 --> 00:55:43.221
But yeah,

00:55:43.240 --> 00:55:44.820
it didn't need to go past five or six.

00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:45.702
They could have just been like.

00:55:45.722 --> 00:55:47.282
Right.

00:55:47.302 --> 00:55:47.961
We'd have been good.

00:55:49.603 --> 00:55:49.842
But.

00:55:52.003 --> 00:55:53.963
So we're going to be we'll bring it home.

00:55:54.952 --> 00:55:55.833
but first let's get some

00:55:55.853 --> 00:55:57.653
advice from you to other

00:55:57.735 --> 00:55:58.594
indie creators thinking

00:55:58.614 --> 00:56:00.797
about launching their own Kickstarter.

00:56:00.817 --> 00:56:01.938
What kind of advice that you,

00:56:02.197 --> 00:56:04.480
what kind of advice do you have for them?

00:56:04.701 --> 00:56:06.481
You have to build up your own, your,

00:56:06.581 --> 00:56:07.503
your fan base.

00:56:07.523 --> 00:56:09.804
You know, Kickstarter will,

00:56:10.005 --> 00:56:10.786
will share your,

00:56:11.005 --> 00:56:13.467
your stuff out with people on Kickstarter,

00:56:13.748 --> 00:56:14.648
but there's a ton of other

00:56:14.688 --> 00:56:16.130
projects on Kickstarter.

00:56:17.311 --> 00:56:19.853
So you're not going to get funded probably,

00:56:19.934 --> 00:56:21.956
you know, just by, you know,

00:56:22.673 --> 00:56:24.034
being on Kickstarter.

00:56:24.695 --> 00:56:26.137
You got to promote it yourself.

00:56:26.277 --> 00:56:28.217
You got to build up a base first.

00:56:28.237 --> 00:56:30.179
I, I, the number of artists,

00:56:30.260 --> 00:56:32.722
especially who I'm like, you know,

00:56:32.742 --> 00:56:35.063
are you, when you're at a con, you know,

00:56:35.403 --> 00:56:36.385
ask people to sign up to

00:56:36.405 --> 00:56:38.025
your email list to do, you know,

00:56:38.085 --> 00:56:39.367
buy your art or something.

00:56:39.728 --> 00:56:41.068
And if I did art at a con,

00:56:41.409 --> 00:56:42.889
I think I'd have, you know, you know,

00:56:43.382 --> 00:56:44.244
I think that would help me

00:56:44.304 --> 00:56:45.965
because I'd have a bigger email list.

00:56:46.047 --> 00:56:47.628
And I'm constantly shocked

00:56:47.969 --> 00:56:49.052
that all the artists who...

00:56:49.112 --> 00:56:50.253
I'm on your email list, Ben.

00:56:50.313 --> 00:56:52.237
And I like your email list.

00:56:52.336 --> 00:56:52.858
Oh, thank you.

00:56:52.938 --> 00:56:53.639
I like the way you do it.

00:56:53.679 --> 00:56:54.561
You give a little bit of

00:56:55.110 --> 00:56:56.452
know like hey here's my

00:56:56.751 --> 00:56:57.831
upcoming kickstarter and

00:56:57.911 --> 00:56:59.052
yeah oh by the way I just

00:56:59.092 --> 00:57:00.233
watched superman and this

00:57:00.273 --> 00:57:01.474
is my thoughts I like that

00:57:01.893 --> 00:57:03.315
oh thank you yeah we're

00:57:03.434 --> 00:57:04.615
bearing with stuff you know

00:57:04.655 --> 00:57:05.996
yeah I don't want to spam

00:57:06.036 --> 00:57:07.876
people with constant back

00:57:07.916 --> 00:57:09.358
my project back my you know

00:57:09.398 --> 00:57:09.958
I'm trying to do a

00:57:09.998 --> 00:57:11.079
newsletter that that's

00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:11.838
entertaining and

00:57:11.898 --> 00:57:13.260
interesting it really is

00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:14.880
and I'm sharing shorts the

00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:16.342
last one was right a week ago

00:57:17.141 --> 00:57:18.563
Or two weeks ago?

00:57:18.583 --> 00:57:18.722
Well, no,

00:57:18.902 --> 00:57:20.405
I did one on Thursday where I was

00:57:20.445 --> 00:57:21.565
talking about... Okay, it was Thursday.

00:57:21.644 --> 00:57:22.626
I knew it was fresh in my

00:57:22.646 --> 00:57:23.367
head for some reason.

00:57:23.686 --> 00:57:24.628
I think that's actually

00:57:24.668 --> 00:57:25.507
where I discussed the

00:57:25.527 --> 00:57:27.389
shared universe concept

00:57:27.449 --> 00:57:30.211
that we just discussed a little bit.

00:57:30.271 --> 00:57:32.614
I went into the history of

00:57:32.914 --> 00:57:34.994
how originally comic

00:57:35.094 --> 00:57:36.516
universes weren't shared.

00:57:36.577 --> 00:57:38.518
They were somewhat standalone,

00:57:38.617 --> 00:57:40.940
even though Batman might be

00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:41.860
in the same universe.

00:57:42.201 --> 00:57:43.362
You almost never saw them

00:57:43.402 --> 00:57:45.643
together until later on.

00:57:45.702 --> 00:57:46.563
And then it became...

00:57:47.438 --> 00:57:49.117
incredibly tightly knit

00:57:49.217 --> 00:57:50.458
universe to the point where

00:57:50.699 --> 00:57:51.878
you know nowadays marvel

00:57:51.918 --> 00:57:53.219
and you know and their

00:57:53.278 --> 00:57:54.300
characters are just so you

00:57:54.619 --> 00:57:55.539
know they bump into each

00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:56.579
other going to the grocery

00:57:56.599 --> 00:58:00.221
store we have literally we

00:58:00.240 --> 00:58:01.300
have batman and deadpool

00:58:01.340 --> 00:58:03.882
going on right now issue

00:58:04.001 --> 00:58:05.302
one dropped on wednesday so

00:58:05.362 --> 00:58:07.663
I mean and before that you

00:58:07.682 --> 00:58:09.623
know we got batman spawn

00:58:09.864 --> 00:58:11.384
that we had we just had the second

00:58:12.548 --> 00:58:13.210
you know,

00:58:13.250 --> 00:58:14.550
I'm thinking more within their

00:58:14.630 --> 00:58:16.231
own universe than within, you know,

00:58:16.251 --> 00:58:16.472
cross.

00:58:16.492 --> 00:58:16.632
Oh yeah.

00:58:16.652 --> 00:58:18.052
Yeah.

00:58:18.432 --> 00:58:19.114
Used to, you know,

00:58:19.153 --> 00:58:20.394
Batman and Superman were in

00:58:20.434 --> 00:58:22.115
the same universe, but they would never,

00:58:22.376 --> 00:58:22.856
you know, it was,

00:58:22.956 --> 00:58:23.617
it wasn't until the

00:58:23.637 --> 00:58:24.757
nineteen sixties that they

00:58:24.797 --> 00:58:25.778
started teaming up.

00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:26.719
Yeah.

00:58:26.818 --> 00:58:28.000
And then, I see what you're saying now.

00:58:28.019 --> 00:58:28.501
Yeah.

00:58:28.561 --> 00:58:29.440
And then even then they,

00:58:29.561 --> 00:58:31.543
they didn't see each other all the time,

00:58:31.583 --> 00:58:33.143
but now it's like, you know,

00:58:33.204 --> 00:58:34.204
you pick up an issue of

00:58:34.664 --> 00:58:35.766
Superman and he's probably

00:58:35.806 --> 00:58:36.987
talking with Batman or,

00:58:37.387 --> 00:58:39.289
the flash is running in or, you know,

00:58:39.349 --> 00:58:40.351
is it,

00:58:40.371 --> 00:58:41.693
there's so many superheroes in

00:58:41.713 --> 00:58:42.373
their universe.

00:58:42.393 --> 00:58:43.896
It's yeah.

00:58:43.916 --> 00:58:45.597
I do like those little cameos like that.

00:58:45.858 --> 00:58:46.079
Yeah.

00:58:46.099 --> 00:58:49.143
Like give me a good Batman arc, but then,

00:58:49.202 --> 00:58:49.623
you know,

00:58:49.762 --> 00:58:52.005
maybe him calling Superman for like, Hey.

00:58:52.025 --> 00:58:52.106
Yeah.

00:58:53.827 --> 00:58:54.849
asking him something or

00:58:54.889 --> 00:58:56.108
talking to him about something.

00:58:56.489 --> 00:58:58.230
It's just like a panel.

00:58:58.309 --> 00:59:00.590
I love those little tie-ins

00:59:00.610 --> 00:59:01.891
like that where it's not related.

00:59:02.650 --> 00:59:03.550
Superman isn't going to show

00:59:03.570 --> 00:59:04.231
up in the story.

00:59:04.271 --> 00:59:04.891
He's just having a

00:59:04.911 --> 00:59:07.632
conversation with his friend, Clark Kent.

00:59:09.092 --> 00:59:11.414
Or Diana shows up, Wonder Woman.

00:59:12.273 --> 00:59:13.273
I like those little types of

00:59:13.293 --> 00:59:14.295
cameos like that.

00:59:14.355 --> 00:59:16.414
Those are always fun to me

00:59:16.956 --> 00:59:17.856
because it's like...

00:59:19.052 --> 00:59:19.791
See what they did there.

00:59:19.811 --> 00:59:20.472
I like that.

00:59:20.532 --> 00:59:20.713
You know,

00:59:20.753 --> 00:59:22.773
it's just like a frame or maybe a

00:59:22.813 --> 00:59:23.914
panel where he's having a

00:59:23.934 --> 00:59:25.014
conversation with somebody

00:59:25.034 --> 00:59:26.074
and you see the same thing.

00:59:26.815 --> 00:59:28.635
Like Superman will swing

00:59:28.655 --> 00:59:29.956
through a Batman comic for

00:59:30.016 --> 00:59:31.436
advice or something like that.

00:59:31.456 --> 00:59:32.157
And it's always really cool.

00:59:32.197 --> 00:59:32.936
You'll see him up on a

00:59:32.956 --> 00:59:33.996
rooftop somewhere and

00:59:34.496 --> 00:59:35.677
they're talking to each other.

00:59:35.697 --> 00:59:36.858
And then Superman just flies

00:59:36.938 --> 00:59:39.099
off and Batman goes back to, you know,

00:59:39.179 --> 00:59:42.400
brood in on the rooftop.

00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:43.639
So I always enjoy those

00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:44.760
little ones like that.

00:59:44.780 --> 00:59:44.960
Yeah.

00:59:46.731 --> 00:59:47.052
But no,

00:59:47.132 --> 00:59:48.773
now it's like you got Justice League,

00:59:48.813 --> 00:59:49.735
you got all that stuff.

00:59:49.835 --> 00:59:51.056
And I love Justice League,

00:59:51.096 --> 00:59:52.476
especially Justice League Dark.

00:59:52.978 --> 00:59:53.277
Right.

00:59:53.737 --> 00:59:56.360
But yeah, I know what you're saying.

00:59:58.137 --> 01:00:00.597
So let's bring it on home real quick, Ben.

01:00:01.278 --> 01:00:02.780
Tell everybody where they

01:00:02.820 --> 01:00:03.860
can find you and where they

01:00:03.880 --> 01:00:05.021
can find the Shark of War

01:00:05.061 --> 01:00:06.380
plush of their own.

01:00:06.842 --> 01:00:07.382
Oh, yeah.

01:00:07.402 --> 01:00:09.123
You can get, I didn't mention that.

01:00:09.143 --> 01:00:10.224
You can get the Shark of War

01:00:10.264 --> 01:00:11.583
plushie as part of this.

01:00:11.603 --> 01:00:12.284
I'm here for you, Ben.

01:00:12.385 --> 01:00:13.905
I had you back on that one.

01:00:14.326 --> 01:00:17.146
It's an add-on or it's in a tier.

01:00:17.827 --> 01:00:18.228
So yeah,

01:00:18.248 --> 01:00:20.148
definitely you can get the Shark

01:00:20.168 --> 01:00:20.949
of War plushie.

01:00:21.869 --> 01:00:23.751
Very nice little plush

01:00:23.831 --> 01:00:26.692
animal with the USS Nasher logo on it.

01:00:28.740 --> 01:00:30.242
Yeah, that'll be part of the Kickstarter,

01:00:30.282 --> 01:00:32.204
which is, you know,

01:00:32.304 --> 01:00:35.186
sow.bitingcomics.com is the

01:00:35.226 --> 01:00:36.327
shortened link, you know,

01:00:36.467 --> 01:00:36.967
or you can go on

01:00:36.987 --> 01:00:38.148
Kickstarter and there's a

01:00:38.188 --> 01:00:39.548
much longer link.

01:00:39.628 --> 01:00:40.228
I don't know if you'll put

01:00:40.289 --> 01:00:42.210
it in the... Literally,

01:00:42.251 --> 01:00:43.311
if you go to Kickstarter,

01:00:43.452 --> 01:00:44.572
type in sharkof,

01:00:45.393 --> 01:00:47.873
It's the very first thing that pops up.

01:00:48.114 --> 01:00:49.293
Oh, that's good.

01:00:49.614 --> 01:00:51.315
So, yeah, so you can get that,

01:00:52.114 --> 01:00:54.114
get the plushie and my

01:00:54.155 --> 01:00:55.115
Kickstarter and all my

01:00:55.155 --> 01:00:56.376
comics as part of that.

01:00:57.135 --> 01:00:57.755
If you want to go to

01:00:57.795 --> 01:00:59.396
bitingcomics.com and sign

01:00:59.436 --> 01:01:00.556
up for my email list,

01:01:01.277 --> 01:01:02.818
you'll be taken to a page

01:01:02.838 --> 01:01:04.277
where you can not only read

01:01:04.318 --> 01:01:05.717
the first issue of Shark of War,

01:01:05.737 --> 01:01:06.918
you can read the second issue,

01:01:07.378 --> 01:01:08.898
first issue of Vicious

01:01:08.938 --> 01:01:10.438
Vixens of Dakalanga,

01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:12.360
and the first issue of Samson.

01:01:12.798 --> 01:01:13.018
Plus,

01:01:13.059 --> 01:01:15.619
you'll get my handy How to Avoid a

01:01:15.659 --> 01:01:17.139
Shark Attack guide.

01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:20.382
That was a good one.

01:01:20.442 --> 01:01:21.481
It's also on the digital.

01:01:22.302 --> 01:01:24.103
It's issue three.

01:01:24.483 --> 01:01:26.164
It's in the digital collected.

01:01:26.244 --> 01:01:27.764
I think it's three and four, I think.

01:01:28.003 --> 01:01:30.505
It's three and four or in the hard copy.

01:01:31.065 --> 01:01:33.606
The single trade copy,

01:01:33.646 --> 01:01:36.347
it's in there as well as a bonus feature.

01:01:36.867 --> 01:01:39.228
I had so many people come up and say,

01:01:39.447 --> 01:01:40.728
I'm so scared of sharks

01:01:40.788 --> 01:01:41.688
after seeing Jaws.

01:01:41.748 --> 01:01:42.369
I figured I'd

01:01:42.789 --> 01:01:46.012
I did some research and

01:01:46.311 --> 01:01:47.632
wrote a humorous little

01:01:47.893 --> 01:01:51.436
four-page for what to do.

01:01:52.135 --> 01:01:53.257
The advice is real.

01:01:53.476 --> 01:01:55.778
The art is supposed to be humorous.

01:01:57.320 --> 01:01:58.161
You accomplished that.

01:01:58.481 --> 01:02:00.422
That's really good.

01:02:01.202 --> 01:02:02.503
I hope people check it out.

01:02:03.123 --> 01:02:03.465
Like I said,

01:02:03.505 --> 01:02:04.965
I'm about halfway defunded

01:02:05.025 --> 01:02:06.586
with about half the time left.

01:02:07.170 --> 01:02:08.610
so I you know I'd like to

01:02:08.650 --> 01:02:10.512
get it funded you know I'm

01:02:10.612 --> 01:02:11.514
used to getting funded on

01:02:11.534 --> 01:02:12.695
the last day if that's when

01:02:12.715 --> 01:02:13.635
it happens that's when it

01:02:13.655 --> 01:02:15.416
happens but I I'd very much

01:02:15.476 --> 01:02:16.597
like to get it earlier yeah

01:02:16.617 --> 01:02:21.061
and it is funded where can

01:02:21.081 --> 01:02:21.963
they find you on social

01:02:22.003 --> 01:02:23.405
media I know you're on

01:02:23.465 --> 01:02:24.626
facebook yeah facebook

01:02:24.666 --> 01:02:27.148
shark of war uh be lacy one

01:02:27.208 --> 01:02:30.570
on twitter uh ben lacy one on instagram

01:02:31.559 --> 01:02:32.800
What am I on blue sky?

01:02:32.820 --> 01:02:34.202
I'm on blue sky too, but.

01:02:34.222 --> 01:02:35.922
I think you're Ben Lacey on

01:02:35.963 --> 01:02:37.923
blue sky as well, but I can't remember.

01:02:38.003 --> 01:02:38.244
Yeah.

01:02:38.443 --> 01:02:38.643
Yeah.

01:02:38.684 --> 01:02:40.565
B Lacey one also,

01:02:41.106 --> 01:02:42.626
or it should come up as Ben Lacey,

01:02:42.646 --> 01:02:44.688
but my handle is at B Lacey one.

01:02:45.168 --> 01:02:45.668
Yeah.

01:02:47.090 --> 01:02:48.469
I don't go to blue sky a lot.

01:02:48.510 --> 01:02:50.030
Cause I, I, I know.

01:02:50.251 --> 01:02:50.891
I, I,

01:02:51.903 --> 01:02:53.704
At first, I thought people went there,

01:02:53.744 --> 01:02:55.427
and then I was like, eh.

01:02:55.447 --> 01:02:57.367
So it had a lot of hype in the beginning.

01:02:58.128 --> 01:02:59.831
And now, just like any other platform,

01:02:59.851 --> 01:03:01.452
it's either you're hardcore

01:03:01.492 --> 01:03:02.932
this or you're hardcore that.

01:03:03.873 --> 01:03:05.956
I happen to be a podcaster,

01:03:05.996 --> 01:03:07.436
so I have to spread my love

01:03:07.858 --> 01:03:09.438
throughout all the platforms.

01:03:10.019 --> 01:03:11.621
So I'm always-

01:03:12.253 --> 01:03:14.333
I think a lot of creators are on blue sky,

01:03:14.373 --> 01:03:15.695
but I don't think a lot of

01:03:15.735 --> 01:03:17.235
fans are on blue sky.

01:03:17.255 --> 01:03:19.557
I think the fans on Twitter

01:03:19.577 --> 01:03:21.059
and Facebook and all the creators,

01:03:21.318 --> 01:03:22.039
you know, it's funny.

01:03:22.059 --> 01:03:24.541
And nobody followed them in the beginning,

01:03:24.721 --> 01:03:25.262
in the beginning,

01:03:25.302 --> 01:03:27.543
the fandom was all on blue sky.

01:03:27.583 --> 01:03:28.704
And then it's kind of like, Oh,

01:03:28.824 --> 01:03:30.105
I guess Twitter isn't as

01:03:30.144 --> 01:03:30.965
bad as we thought it was.

01:03:30.985 --> 01:03:31.806
We'll go back over there.

01:03:31.865 --> 01:03:32.467
Yeah.

01:03:32.527 --> 01:03:33.987
And I'm still, I don't have a Twitter.

01:03:34.047 --> 01:03:34.827
I got a blue sky.

01:03:34.947 --> 01:03:35.548
So I'm like,

01:03:36.242 --> 01:03:37.083
you know, it works.

01:03:38.244 --> 01:03:39.605
It does everything I need it to do.

01:03:40.505 --> 01:03:41.146
So I don't,

01:03:41.706 --> 01:03:43.527
it is what it is at the end of the day.

01:03:44.047 --> 01:03:44.467
But Ben,

01:03:44.487 --> 01:03:45.608
I want to thank you so much for

01:03:45.668 --> 01:03:47.590
joining us today.

01:03:47.630 --> 01:03:48.630
Folks, if you love

01:03:49.666 --> 01:03:50.487
Cyber Sharks.

01:03:50.847 --> 01:03:52.788
Maniacal villains who make

01:03:52.827 --> 01:03:54.009
their way around all of

01:03:54.048 --> 01:03:55.088
Ben's comic books.

01:03:55.628 --> 01:03:56.969
Boss level well battles.

01:03:57.769 --> 01:03:59.911
Shark of War is definitely up your alley.

01:04:00.150 --> 01:04:03.172
I enjoyed every issue so far of this book.

01:04:03.371 --> 01:04:05.172
It is phenomenal.

01:04:05.492 --> 01:04:07.052
It's very enjoyable.

01:04:07.273 --> 01:04:07.914
It's readable.

01:04:10.434 --> 01:04:11.375
Sometimes you don't get a

01:04:11.414 --> 01:04:12.715
book that's very readable.

01:04:12.936 --> 01:04:13.735
It's weird.

01:04:15.016 --> 01:04:17.137
Like, it looks cool, the art is great,

01:04:17.277 --> 01:04:18.219
but when you start actually

01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:21.400
reading the book, it falls flat.

01:04:22.221 --> 01:04:23.641
Shark Award does not fall flat.

01:04:23.722 --> 01:04:25.463
It is very good start to finish,

01:04:25.503 --> 01:04:26.163
cover to cover.

01:04:26.764 --> 01:04:27.983
Go grab the latest issue,

01:04:28.405 --> 01:04:29.065
pick up some of the

01:04:29.105 --> 01:04:30.905
previous chapters in both

01:04:31.025 --> 01:04:33.086
digital and hard copy forms.

01:04:34.208 --> 01:04:35.088
All I'm saying at the end of

01:04:35.128 --> 01:04:37.909
the day is back it, support Indie Comics,

01:04:38.010 --> 01:04:39.530
get yourself a Shark Award plush,

01:04:40.451 --> 01:04:42.733
and at the end of the day, Ben Lacey,

01:04:43.746 --> 01:04:46.748
Shark of War, they're all USDN approved.

01:04:47.469 --> 01:04:48.769
And with that, ladies and gentlemen,

01:04:48.809 --> 01:04:49.791
if you joined us tonight,

01:04:49.831 --> 01:04:51.672
I want to say I appreciate you, Ben.

01:04:51.992 --> 01:04:52.432
As always,

01:04:52.492 --> 01:04:53.554
I appreciate you coming on the

01:04:53.653 --> 01:04:54.775
USDN podcast.

01:04:55.436 --> 01:04:55.876
As always,

01:04:55.896 --> 01:04:57.797
you're welcome back anytime you

01:04:57.838 --> 01:05:00.500
want to come on.

01:05:00.539 --> 01:05:02.762
So with that,

01:05:02.822 --> 01:05:03.882
let me find my outro because

01:05:03.902 --> 01:05:04.903
I don't have my outro set.

01:05:06.784 --> 01:05:08.246
Ladies and gentlemen, we are out of here.

01:05:08.286 --> 01:05:09.206
Enjoy your weekend.

01:05:09.608 --> 01:05:09.947
Thank you.

01:05:47.081 --> 01:05:48.148
Hey, thanks for having me.