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I'm Travis Bader, and this
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Today, I'm joined by a man whose
musical talent, persistent drive and

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infectious attitude has opened up
adventures worldwide, including being

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a number one billboard charting country
artists, and the host of the sportsman.

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Channel's hit show Hoag wild.

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Welcome to the Silvercore  Podcast.

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Lucas Hogue.

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How's it going, man?

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Thanks for having me.

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Oh, it's awesome.

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So, you know, we've been talking back
and forth for, for a while here and I'm

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so glad we're able to make this one.

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But before we even get through.

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Yeah yesterday.

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You're what grand Ole Opry.

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Yeah, man, I, I, every time I get invited
to play the Opry, it's just like, it's

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just an honor all over again, you know?

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And, uh, it was a great lineup.

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My buddy Craig Morgan was playing Gary
Luvox showed up, uh, Travis didn't.

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Drew Baldrige you name it.

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It was just a bunch of
great, great people.

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Megan, Patrick, from up there,
she's a Canadian up there.

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Who's killing it.

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And, uh, so it was great.

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It was great to fund, uh, to
share the stage with everybody

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and finally hang out backstage
without COVID restrictions, right?

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Yeah, I guess so, man, that's been a few.

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Yeah.

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That's a hell of an accomplishment
being a being asked and reinvited

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back to, uh, play the Opry.

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That's, uh, you know, not many
people can put that feather in there.

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Yeah.

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That's

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uh, thanks man.

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Yeah.

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I had my Opry debut back in 2017 and uh,
I got to debut at the Ryman auditorium,

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which is the original, uh, grand old Opry.

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So it's the mother
church of country music.

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So it was really cool that night.

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And then I've been invited back for pride.

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Maybe 10 different times now.

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So, and last night was really cool because
it was kind of a double, it was, uh,

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we were benefiting conservation aid for
NWTF, which is a national Turkey, wild

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Turkey Federation here in the states.

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And, and, um, and it was just cool.

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We were raising money for conservation,
getting to play country music.

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I mean, it doesn't get better.

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Well, when I'm looking at all
the different things you've done.

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So you're, you're a musician,
you're an avid outdoors.

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When you're philanthropic,
you do a lot of charity work.

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You're an entrepreneur.

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I mean, you've got your own TV show
and this isn't your first home.

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I don't work with NASCAR
and Sunday night football.

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And I'm looking at all these different
avenues where we can kind of go.

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But from my perspective, when I
look at you and the accomplishments

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and the drive that you have, I'm
selflessly kind of looking at it and

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wondering, you know, like what, what
do you define as success in your life?

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Like if you were to say, look
it, this is what success is.

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What would that.

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Well, that's a great question because
I get that question quite a bit

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and it's different for everybody.

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Right.

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You know, it kinda stint, uh, back
a few years when you know, you're

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out there, two are in it, this was
before the TV show, but you're two

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or, and you're grinding like crazy.

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And you're having a lot of success
with what you feel success.

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Right.

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And you have everybody coming up
to the autograph line or whatever.

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And they're like, man, I can't
wait until you make it or it can't

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wait until this happens for you.

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I'm successful at exactly
what I'm trying to do.

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I'm, uh, you know, I might not be
the biggest country music star in

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the world, like Garth Brooks, but
man, I have been able to do that.

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You know, for my, basically most
of my life and not have to pound

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nails as a contractor anymore.

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And, you know, I, that's what
I did to support my music

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habit until the music took off.

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And to me, that's what
success is all about.

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Being able to do what you love every
single day and make a living at it.

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And to me, that's success.

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I don't care what industry you're in,
as long as you love what you're doing.

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And that's the dream that you've
been striving for to me, that's.

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I love that

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definition.

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You know, it's not the
actual achieving of the goal.

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It's a process of loving what you're
doing as you work towards different goals.

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I, I do enjoy that.

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Exactly.

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Now you've got a bit of a family
background, I think when music

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that father and brother was it
or were into music, is that.

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Yeah.

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Honestly, everybody in my family
is super talented when it comes

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to the music side of things.

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Uh, um, my dad obviously was the
singer in the family and my mom

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was a very natural at writing short
poems and short stories for kids,

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children's books and things like that.

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So that writing kind of, I guess, stemmed
from her and the music stem from my dad

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and my brother, uh, definitely took on
and he's got a band back home to some

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of my old band members are playing
for him and I'm the youngest of four.

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And, uh, My sister's both saying
in high school and my oldest sister

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was in the pageants and stuff.

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So it was all about entertainment, right?

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Oh man.

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So you've been doing this basically all
your life, then the music side anyway.

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Man, it feels like it started at
a young age playing the drums and

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then quickly, uh, gravitated towards
guitar and piano and things like that.

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And finding instruments that I
could carry around easier than

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the whole truckload of drums.

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Yeah, totally.

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Yeah.

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That makes it difficult.

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Well, I mean, we're talking before
and you're saying, you know, your,

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your guitar is basically been your
passport and it's taken you all over.

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Can you talk about a few of the
adventures that your guitars take

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one?

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Absolutely, man, honestly, it's it
started the day I left Nashville

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or not Nashville, not Nebraska,
my little hometown at 44 people.

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And I didn't know a single soul in
Nashville when I moved and I loaded

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up my old truck and with what worldly
possessions I had and my guitar and I, I

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moved to town and just start banging on
doors and not taking no for an answer.

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Literally, uh, taking advantage of
every opportunity that would come my

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way, you know, and, and, uh, finally
it started kind of picking up with

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writing circles and things like that.

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But until I started touring and playing
out a lot more with big bands and stuff

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like that, and going and meeting some of
these people out on the road, They would

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be find out that I was quickly a hunter
and outdoors man that I love to do and

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whatever, and it didn't take long for him
to start inviting me to plays tonight.

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I told him straight up, I was like,
don't invite me if you don't mean it,

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because I will show up on your doorstep.

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So, so you found that background
at hunting and fishing.

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It actually opened doors for you.

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A hundred percent, a hundred percent
because I would, uh, I would sing songs

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and write songs I still do about, you
know, growing up in the outdoors and love

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the outdoors and not everything about it.

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And a lot of these, um, I guess you
want to call them high rollers would

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come to town and I'd be sitting up
there on a stool, you know, and,

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and just playing my heart out.

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And they'd find out through my
stories behind the songs that, you

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know, I loved, you know, hunting
and fishing and all that stuff.

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They'd come up during breaks
and we start talking and that's

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when they started inviting me
to all their hunting adventures.

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And I'm like, man, this
is, this is what's up.

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This is cool.

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It's a lot different than growing up,
hunting white tail and Turkey in Nebraska.

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So is that something that was just a
family thing that your family would hunt?

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So you got into.

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Yeah, my dad and his brothers,
um, would go out every opening

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day for pheasant season in quail.

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And it felt like it was a holiday because
whether it landed on a school day or

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not, we were, we were taking that day
off, you know, and going, and, and to

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this day they still go out, you know,
um, and pheasant hunt on opening day.

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And my brother goes with them.

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I haven't had the opportunity to go
since I've been in Nashville so long,

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um, opening days hard for me to get
back to, but, uh, we're trying to strand

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and get back to doing some more stuff.

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I got

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to imagine it's gotta be difficult for
you to organize your life with all the

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different things that you're doing.

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I mean, just looking at some of the
charity work that you're doing and

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some of the, I mean, like you do
your singing, are you still doing,

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uh, performing for the troops?

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Is that something you.

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Well, I was until COVID honestly,
um, I was going overseas.

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I started going over in 2009
to perform for our troops.

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And, uh, we'd been to Iraq, Kuwait,
Kosovo, Pakistan, Afghanistan,

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um, parts of Egypt, um, Jordan
Nigeria, Northern Africa, Djibouti.

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I mean, you name it.

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We've been there.

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We've had to go to.

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I mean, I'm sorry to hear that.

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Somebody's got to do it.

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And, uh, we were, I was the first,
uh, band to go up and tour with, for

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the coast guard in Alaska in over
20, I think it was 21, 22 years.

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Nobody had gone up there to
visit the coast guard in Alaska

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because there's each little guard.

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Shack is only got anywhere from like
two to three or four people, you know?

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And I was like, man,
I want to go up there.

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And the USO jumped on board.

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So we did a little USO troop
tour to go hang out with the

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Coasties in Alaska, which was.

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Man we've been all over this, this
God's great planet of ours and seen

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some stuff that we shouldn't see,
but, uh, being able to go over there

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and look our service men and women
in the eye and tell them, thank you.

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On behalf of everybody back
here, that would love to go over

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there and say the same thing.

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Um, it's just a great honor.

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And, and the cool thing about last
night, wrapping it into the opera former.

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So every year when I go over to play
for our troops, I'd take a, I don't

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know if I've got one laying around here.

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Backstage passes, all access
backstage passes, right?

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As I probably take over a thousand of
them and I give them out to all the

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service men and women that I come across.

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And I say, okay, when you get
back to the states, if I'm doing a

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show near you or wherever you want
to come bring that to the front

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gate, and I'm going to get you in.

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And one of the guys that I met over
there, I think back in 2018 or 19, brought

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those passes to the Opry last night.

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And we were like, come on in,
you know, it was just so cool.

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You know, it was, it's really
cool for that to happen.

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So those are just some of the
things that we love doing while

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we're over there playing for.

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That's amazing.

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You know, I, I heard a story one time.

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I think it was about a, a,
a very special microphone.

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Uh, it might've been attached to an M for,

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uh, oh, I was a crazy story, man.

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Uh, we were, we were over in Afghanistan.

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It was Iraq, I think.

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Pretty sure it was, we were
downrange in Afghanistan and we were.

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Everywhere we go, we're in Blackhawks
and we call it , which is all the Ford

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operating bases that usually don't
get to see internet entertainment.

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And, you know, it could be
anywhere from 150 troops on

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the ground to less than that.

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And they're still eating MRAs.

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You never know what we're
going to pop into because

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it's just a guitar in my back.

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Some friends of mine from that, the
Western industry, they go over there

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and we're in these two black Hawks and.

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We had to auto rotate down, but
technically crash land in this space

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that we were not supposed to be at.

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I believe it was called
camp stone at the time.

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And, uh, there's so many cool
elements that are part of this.

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I'm going to try and condense it
as much as I can, but we, we land,

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we land at camp stone and the, our
tour leader, his name is Robbie

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powers, who was a retired army and a.

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I went through hell over
there, you know, so much stuff.

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But, uh, anyway, we land a capstone
and he sees this Memorial, right?

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When we start walking over to the
defect, which is the dining room.

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And he starts breaking
down just like instantly.

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I'm like, dude, what is going on, man?

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He's like, I don't know why we
crashed, landed here or whatever,

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but this camp camp stone was named
after his CEO that was killed in

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action when he was over there.

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And he had no idea.

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And so Stoney was his name and they
named the whole camp after his CEO

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that was killed in action over there.

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And, um, so that just started
small, you know, small world, small

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world just kept getting tinier and
tinier and I'm sitting in the DFAC

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and this guy, uh, comes up to me.

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You know, after I do this little shit,
well, sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself.

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But so we go to the defect, we have
dinner, we come back out and they're

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like, Hey, so I see you got a guitar.

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Do you want to do a little concert for us?

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I'm like, yeah.

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Where do you want me to set up?

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They're like, Anywhere you want, because
we don't have stage, we don't have lights,

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we don't have PA I'm like, all right.

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But then this, a bunch of guys start
scrambling around and they pull

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up all the up armored vehicles.

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The humpies, the Amwraps and they kind of
do a half moot circle around the defect.

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And this guy throws a, a pallet down
on the, on the ground and the dirt.

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And, uh, they find this like makeshift
old speaker and they hook it up

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to the batteries of the home fee.

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And this, this soldier, literally
ejects is a magazine and ejects a

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Carter's out and tapes, a microphone
on the info and he's holding it.

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And that's my microphone stand
for the evening flight, probably

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45, 30, 45 minutes, whatever.

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And it's just dark and you see silhouettes
of all of our, our troops out there

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with all these up armored vehicles.

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It's just a cool thing.

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Yeah.

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And then after the
performance, this, this.

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Marine walks out of the shadows
and he's coming up to me.

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He's like, Hey man, do
you know Steve Holly?

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I'm like, yeah, I know Steve always.

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He's like his good friend, whatever.

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And, uh, we started a quick conversation
and, and he's like, man, if you guys got

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to do anything since you've been downrange
over here and I was like, well, you know,

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just being over here, hanging out with
you guys, you know, what's cool for us.

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He's like now, have
you got to do anything?

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Cool.

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Blow stuff up.

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He's like, yeah.

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Have you blown anything up yet?

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And I'm like, no.

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And anyway, he was one of the head
guys at the interior base of that base,

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which is a Marine special MARSOC basis.

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Marine special forces.

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Invited us to come out and we loaded
up this old truck and all of their

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ammo and their grenade launchers.

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We just went out outside that wire and
we're just shooting into the mountains

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that some of their targets out there.

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And man, we just had
a blast at this place.

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And so it was fun, man.

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We've kept in touch with a lot of
those guys and, and, uh, we were

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able to fly them into Vegas and,
uh, for NFR and DECA mountain cowboy

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attire and, and just have a great.

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That's amazing.

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Well, when we spoke earlier,
you're talking about wanting

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to put a very positive face on
hunting and to try and shape.

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I don't know if it's reshaped
the narrative or shape the

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narrative if I'm out of.

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Yeah, you're absolutely right.

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And when it comes to changing the
narrative, it's like, it's, it's

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hard to do, obviously in the.

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That we're in to the outsider.

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Right.

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So I'm always trying, I don't, I
don't, I try and take the kill shot

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out of my show, just, just because
I have a lot of, um, people that are

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crossing over from my music world to.

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You know, the outdoor industry,
I'm trying to bring my audience

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over as much as possible.

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And there's a lot of those people
that might be turned off to a

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show where they're seeing the
Killshot or things like that.

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So it's just something that I felt
a desire to do personally as well.

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It's like to honor that animal.

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I don't always want to show the kill
shot, um, for that we'll go right up

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to it and then we'll see the harvest.

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You know, it's like, we don't necessarily
need to see the animal drop or, or

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suffer in any way, shape and form.

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So I try and take that out right away.

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Um, but the biggest thing is.

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The stigma that a lot of the
outsiders of our industry looking

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in don't understand what we do.

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So if I can take those little trigger
points out as much as possible to

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where that I can actually break down
a barrier to have a conversation

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with somebody that doesn't understand
our industry, to me, that's.

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Right.

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Because a lot of times when we can
just have a conversation, instead of

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that person being instantly triggered,
oh, you showing this, you're showing

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blood, you're showing guts, whatever.

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I'm like, well, no, that's
not what we're about.

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You know, that's part of the harvest
of the animal that we're trying to do.

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And to be able to have those
conversations, it really matters because

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I mean, I've had conversations with people
that, that were like strictly nothing to

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do with hunting and can't believe you'd
kill animals, all this things like that.

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I'm like, well, let me tell you what.

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And I tell you why we are the
people that are keeping all of

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these animals intact so that you can
enjoy them as a spectator, right?

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Because of us and somebody, because
they realize that they don't man,

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they don't north American model of
conservation, which is just founded.

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Hunters.

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Exactly.

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And organizations like NWTF and safari
club international, and the mule built

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all these amazing organizations that
like, if it wasn't for NWTF, there were

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probably hardly any turkeys in this
country right now, because it started,

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I mean, the numbers, when I've heard
them yesterday were like staggering.

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They started with like a few thousand
and now there's hundreds of thousands.

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If not millions of birds for joy, you
know, because of a hunting organization

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and hunters protecting these.

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You know, whenever somebody gets into
the whole anti-hunting or I'm just

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not into whatever, it might be a talk.

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If they are, let's say a vegan.

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Fair enough.

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I can, I can understand their viewpoint,
but if they actually eat meat, I

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always have a very difficult time
seeing what the correlation is because.

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If you're filling your freezer
with meat and you're just putting

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the dirty work onto somebody
else, or you're doing it yourself.

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And it's the enjoyment of the process
of being outside the harvesting

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of the animal that pulling of the
trigger or letting loose of the,

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uh, the, the string on the bow.

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There, that's a fraction of a second
of what the exact day or process is

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exactly.

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And that animal had so much.

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Living up until that point than any
animal that was basically living in

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captivity to just to be harvested
and then put in its store and sold.

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It's like this and we'll have
the best life in the world.

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And now it's having, it's feeding
us and it's nourishing our

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bodies and it's strengthening
a herd because it's sacrificed.

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I mean, it just goes on and on and on is
compounded conversations that could last

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forever.

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Oh, totally, totally.

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And you know, some of that we're
preaching to the choir here, but right.

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Yeah,

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exactly.

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You know, so, all right.

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So you came from small town or
humble Nebraska, Nebraska over to,

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to Nashville, into the big smoke.

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Not really knowing anybody
as you're going in there.

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And you started swinging a hammer and
doing construction work, which is, I think

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you were working some, maybe temp jobs and
trying to find work wherever you could.

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But the part that, from my
perspective, I find really

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interesting is you said, forget that.

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Why am I swinging the hammer
for other people when it's, I'm

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now tied around their schedule.

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I'm also trying to build this.

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What did I just go ahead
of me pay my own business?

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Yeah.

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Is that basically how the other thought

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process went?

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Uh, pretty much, man.

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I started working for, uh, other great
contractors in town and, and thank God I

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was able to get hired by him because you
know, the stigma of a musician coming to

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town, a lot of times you can't get hired
because of the fact that you're a musician

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and trying to do the dreams and all that
stuff, because they're like, oh great.

00:18:52.215 --> 00:18:54.285
He's just going to work for
a few weeks and quit now.

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But, uh, I worked for him as
long as I possibly could until.

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You know what I need to do something
bigger and better to, to elevate

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myself so I can get to my next goal.

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And that's when I was, I was just, you
know, working for a great contractor here.

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I was a superintendent, you
know, I had a company, truck

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and benefits and all that stuff.

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And I met my now wife at the time.

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And she's like, you got to decide
whether you came to Nashville to.

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Build houses or build your dream.

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And I was like, okay, I quit now,
but it was easy for me to pivot and

00:19:25.814 --> 00:19:30.675
still have my construction stuff going
because I was doing, you know, my solo

00:19:30.675 --> 00:19:35.085
stuff with construction and doing like
remodels and small jobs and things

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like that to continue to support,
you know, my life actually, and, and

00:19:39.314 --> 00:19:41.564
build a home actually in Nashville.

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That was the first.

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No kidding.

00:19:43.425 --> 00:19:47.655
So have you, have you maintained
that construction business as well?

00:19:47.655 --> 00:19:48.645
Or have you just gone?

00:19:50.804 --> 00:19:51.615
No, man.

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Now I got to a point probably about,
I want to say 10 or 15 years ago where

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I was just like, Yeah, I just can't
do it all because I'd get up at five

00:20:00.180 --> 00:20:04.080
o'clock in the morning, work until five
o'clock at night, take a quick shower, be

00:20:04.410 --> 00:20:08.070
playing downtown and right in downtown,
do songwriter nights and recording.

00:20:08.070 --> 00:20:10.920
And I was like, man, I'm
going to get old really fast.

00:20:11.370 --> 00:20:13.800
I keep this no kid down.

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And uh, thank God.

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Cause she's an amazing
business woman as well.

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And she's just so great.

00:20:19.080 --> 00:20:19.290
Yeah.

00:20:19.310 --> 00:20:22.290
My wife, Flor Lynn, she has a
company called artistry alliances

00:20:22.290 --> 00:20:26.100
that she started in 2020, and it's
just taken off like crazy, but.

00:20:27.195 --> 00:20:31.155
She does sponsorships and things like that
for artists and TV, personalities, and

00:20:31.455 --> 00:20:34.095
pro athletes and builds brands together.

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And she's great.

00:20:35.255 --> 00:20:35.665
Yeah.

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I was looking at, I was looking at
that website actually, I'll put a link

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to it in the, in the description, as
well as the link to all the things

00:20:43.065 --> 00:20:44.175
that we've been talking about here.

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So people who are listening don't
have to be jotted down right away.

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They can just right.

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Click on it either on the
podcast or on, on YouTube.

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Cool.

00:20:51.615 --> 00:20:58.560
But yeah, I mean, You got a family
of entrepreneurs and it seems

00:20:58.560 --> 00:21:03.330
like, you know, people will look at
somebody who's successful and they'll

00:21:03.330 --> 00:21:05.070
say, wow, how did they get there?

00:21:05.070 --> 00:21:06.570
I want, I want that.

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They'll say, and they'll overlook all
of the five o'clock in the morning

00:21:10.530 --> 00:21:14.040
and working several jobs and all of
the difficulties and everything that

00:21:14.040 --> 00:21:17.580
you had to give up in order to be able
to get to where you are right now.

00:21:18.420 --> 00:21:21.810
And that process in between.

00:21:22.710 --> 00:21:26.610
As well as the process between now
into where you want to see yourself

00:21:26.610 --> 00:21:30.090
in the future, those are the two
points that really, really interests

00:21:30.090 --> 00:21:34.380
me were a person currently is fair
enough, but how did they get there?

00:21:34.380 --> 00:21:38.210
And what was that approach, that
thought process and some of the,

00:21:38.210 --> 00:21:42.090
the struggles that you had to endure
and overcome, because that's, that's

00:21:42.090 --> 00:21:45.360
something that I think is relatable to
absolutely everybody, whether they're.

00:21:46.470 --> 00:21:51.870
Whether their aspiration is, is
doesn't matter where it is on Fortune's

00:21:51.870 --> 00:21:53.310
wheel or on life's ladder there.

00:21:53.850 --> 00:21:58.920
And so what, w what is, uh, how,
how would you define your process?

00:21:59.430 --> 00:21:59.670
Man?

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My process was literally.

00:22:01.665 --> 00:22:05.085
Uh, survival, honestly,
because I knew that Nashville

00:22:05.085 --> 00:22:06.585
was where I needed to be in.

00:22:06.585 --> 00:22:10.035
Want it to be, um, more
than anything in the world.

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Sorry, I'm going to plug this in it.

00:22:11.205 --> 00:22:11.415
Right.

00:22:11.535 --> 00:22:12.255
Plugin came on down.

00:22:13.275 --> 00:22:18.285
I want us to crash and, uh, it was
literally, it was survival and I would,

00:22:18.285 --> 00:22:20.025
you know, holidays would come up and I.

00:22:20.909 --> 00:22:21.600
I can't go home.

00:22:21.600 --> 00:22:22.560
I can't afford to go home.

00:22:22.590 --> 00:22:24.780
I don't have $20 in the bank, you know?

00:22:24.780 --> 00:22:27.990
And, um, my next job doesn't
pay out for another two weeks.

00:22:27.990 --> 00:22:29.639
So it's like, how am I
going to stretch this out?

00:22:29.639 --> 00:22:33.330
Or I just, you know, it was
literally, it was survival based.

00:22:33.330 --> 00:22:36.840
And until those times, and
I still sacrifice, you know,

00:22:36.899 --> 00:22:39.060
moments of, do I get to go home?

00:22:39.120 --> 00:22:40.620
Should I do this gig?

00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:42.030
Should I, what should I do?

00:22:42.270 --> 00:22:43.350
You know, those kinds of things.

00:22:43.350 --> 00:22:43.990
So it's just a.

00:22:45.225 --> 00:22:48.795
Prioritizing or organizing your life
so that you can be successful in what

00:22:48.795 --> 00:22:53.115
you do would still enjoy, you know,
life itself, because you don't want

00:22:53.115 --> 00:22:55.965
to just burden yourself with, oh,
I'm going to get this next thing,

00:22:55.995 --> 00:22:57.225
this next thing, this next thing.

00:22:57.855 --> 00:22:59.805
At some point you hope to get
to that point where you're

00:22:59.805 --> 00:23:01.605
like, okay, that can go.

00:23:01.635 --> 00:23:05.715
That can slide because I want to have
more quality of life with family and

00:23:05.715 --> 00:23:07.815
enjoy them while we're all together still.

00:23:08.025 --> 00:23:09.345
And those kinds of things.

00:23:09.345 --> 00:23:09.825
So it's, it's.

00:23:10.575 --> 00:23:14.985
The give and take and struggle, but
literally it was sacrificed and, and,

00:23:14.985 --> 00:23:18.135
uh, survival all the way up until the
point where you're like, okay, I can

00:23:18.135 --> 00:23:22.185
let that, I don't need to do that,
but go back and do this, you know?

00:23:22.665 --> 00:23:25.455
So it was just really that kind
of thing, mentality more than

00:23:25.455 --> 00:23:30.675
anything you always know in your head that
you're going to be successful at anything

00:23:30.675 --> 00:23:32.175
that you put your mind to essentially.

00:23:32.865 --> 00:23:32.955
I

00:23:32.955 --> 00:23:37.455
mean, I, I guess I did, but it
wasn't, like, I just knew that I had.

00:23:38.505 --> 00:23:42.105
Make it six succeed to
get to the next thing.

00:23:42.255 --> 00:23:42.675
Right.

00:23:42.975 --> 00:23:47.295
And, uh, whether I crashed and burned,
it was like, well, try something else.

00:23:48.015 --> 00:23:50.445
I'll do something I'll
pivot here and do that.

00:23:50.505 --> 00:23:53.685
Something is just like, this is
what I've always wanted to do is

00:23:53.715 --> 00:23:57.825
sing and make music and be in the
outdoors and, and, uh, thank God.

00:23:57.825 --> 00:24:00.435
It all panned out the way it's looking.

00:24:01.705 --> 00:24:03.495
I mean, we're still on an upward spiral

00:24:04.035 --> 00:24:07.005
along the journey, you know,
people say, uh, and that.

00:24:08.145 --> 00:24:12.764
I look at people who would say, oh, I
would have had a business, but for, or

00:24:12.764 --> 00:24:17.165
I would have been successful, but for,
oh, it was the, the economy crashed

00:24:17.165 --> 00:24:20.564
back around oh eight or it's because
of COVID or whatever it might be.

00:24:21.405 --> 00:24:24.465
And I don't know if I'm ignorant
in my approach, but I've always

00:24:24.465 --> 00:24:28.425
had the mindset of really, if it
is what you want, you will get.

00:24:29.280 --> 00:24:29.490
Yeah.

00:24:29.520 --> 00:24:33.330
When you, when you achieve that goal
and look back whether the ends justified

00:24:33.330 --> 00:24:37.500
the means maybe they did, maybe they
didn't, maybe, maybe you sacrifice so

00:24:37.500 --> 00:24:41.909
much to get there, but if it is something
you truly want, you will get there.

00:24:42.300 --> 00:24:42.600
Yep.

00:24:43.080 --> 00:24:44.939
And I, and I think, sorry, go ahead.

00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:45.389
No, no,

00:24:45.389 --> 00:24:45.780
continue.

00:24:45.780 --> 00:24:46.169
Continue.

00:24:46.439 --> 00:24:46.770
Okay.

00:24:46.770 --> 00:24:50.520
And that's where I, when I'm
asking what, like, uh, what

00:24:50.520 --> 00:24:51.810
does success look like to you?

00:24:51.810 --> 00:24:54.270
And that's in my thinking.

00:24:55.575 --> 00:24:59.865
If success is based on a final goal,
then you're always going to be chasing

00:24:59.865 --> 00:25:02.385
that next goal in order to be successful.

00:25:02.745 --> 00:25:04.845
But it is based on the, on the process.

00:25:04.905 --> 00:25:09.915
Um, then, then you'll successful
follow you essentially every day.

00:25:09.915 --> 00:25:13.335
And that seems to be what I look at
your career and what you've been.

00:25:14.520 --> 00:25:17.970
Man, you just seem to love what you
do, unless you're a really good actor.

00:25:18.090 --> 00:25:20.250
You absolutely love what you do.

00:25:20.639 --> 00:25:21.120
Trust me.

00:25:21.120 --> 00:25:22.080
I'm no good at acting.

00:25:23.010 --> 00:25:23.910
I'll leave that to my wife.

00:25:23.910 --> 00:25:25.770
She's really, she grew up in that world.

00:25:25.770 --> 00:25:29.520
She's better at that than I am,
but, uh, yeah, it's, you know,

00:25:29.580 --> 00:25:31.500
it's that give and take thing, man.

00:25:31.500 --> 00:25:33.960
And I'm not gonna say there's
not a ton of bumps and bruises

00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:35.280
to get started in the long way.

00:25:35.280 --> 00:25:38.340
I mean, everybody goes through them
and I've been taken advantage of when

00:25:38.340 --> 00:25:39.810
I first moved to Nashville a ton.

00:25:40.170 --> 00:25:42.210
But if you let those kinds of.

00:25:42.975 --> 00:25:44.385
Bring you down, you're
never going to do anything.

00:25:44.385 --> 00:25:48.195
You're just going to recluse into your
house and, and, you know, be a hermit

00:25:48.195 --> 00:25:52.665
and let everybody take advantage of you
and let them scare you out of submission.

00:25:52.665 --> 00:25:55.665
And that's just something
I wasn't able to do.

00:25:55.665 --> 00:26:00.435
It's just mean like, okay, so you needed
that money more than I did, so, okay.

00:26:00.435 --> 00:26:01.875
You can steal it from me type of thing.

00:26:01.875 --> 00:26:05.294
You know, you took it, you kind
of stepped on me to get to that.

00:26:06.159 --> 00:26:08.639
Uh, I can't live with myself
to do those kinds of things.

00:26:08.639 --> 00:26:09.780
So you go ahead and do that.

00:26:09.780 --> 00:26:13.020
And, and that was the thing that
I, I prayed about the most was, you

00:26:13.020 --> 00:26:16.770
know, I wanted to be surrounded by
people that were going to elevate

00:26:16.770 --> 00:26:19.590
me and I could elevate them and, and
good people, you know, and that's

00:26:19.590 --> 00:26:20.760
what I still pray about today.

00:26:20.760 --> 00:26:24.990
It's like, you know, I just want
to be surrounded by good people and

00:26:24.990 --> 00:26:29.409
life is too dang short, not to, uh,
be surrounded with good people and

00:26:29.459 --> 00:26:30.899
love the people that you're around.

00:26:31.169 --> 00:26:33.990
So I continue to, you know, kind of.

00:26:35.310 --> 00:26:36.810
Pull the weeds out of my life.

00:26:36.840 --> 00:26:37.890
And you have to do that.

00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:41.490
Whether, whether it's the wrong thing
or the right thing, you kind of got

00:26:41.490 --> 00:26:44.610
to pull the weeds that, you know,
those people just bring you down when

00:26:44.610 --> 00:26:48.270
you're trying to come to them with
some, Hey, I'm real excited about this.

00:26:48.270 --> 00:26:50.940
And they constantly are
like chipping at you.

00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:54.480
See you later, you're going
to pull that weed fast.

00:26:54.810 --> 00:26:58.710
You know what, if somebody
can, you know, that you can all

00:26:58.710 --> 00:27:00.930
support each other on the way up.

00:27:01.200 --> 00:27:01.950
And that's the thing.

00:27:01.950 --> 00:27:02.580
There's so many people.

00:27:03.555 --> 00:27:06.945
That won't support you or they
think that, well, I need it.

00:27:06.965 --> 00:27:08.205
I need that more than you do.

00:27:08.205 --> 00:27:11.145
Or it's just the people
that tear people down, man.

00:27:11.175 --> 00:27:13.785
There's enough to go around
in this world for everybody.

00:27:14.775 --> 00:27:19.245
You're in such an industry too, that you
probably see a whole absolute ton of it.

00:27:19.245 --> 00:27:22.635
And you know, there is
a, what is it Vaynerchuk?

00:27:22.635 --> 00:27:24.735
He says you can have the tallest building.

00:27:24.735 --> 00:27:28.035
There's two ways to do it by
building the tallest building or

00:27:28.035 --> 00:27:29.745
tearing everybody else's down.

00:27:29.745 --> 00:27:30.225
Right?

00:27:30.735 --> 00:27:31.555
Which one you want?

00:27:31.935 --> 00:27:32.265
Yeah.

00:27:33.360 --> 00:27:33.510
Yeah.

00:27:33.510 --> 00:27:36.990
That's exactly that process of weeding
and picking out for your life and

00:27:36.990 --> 00:27:40.650
finding positive people to be able
to surround yourself with is part of

00:27:40.650 --> 00:27:45.450
the reason why I started this silver
horror podcast, because the hunting

00:27:45.450 --> 00:27:51.960
industry, the firearms industry can be
absolutely wrought with a negativity

00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:53.970
and a social stigma surrounding it.

00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:56.879
If that's where you want
to put your attention.

00:27:57.660 --> 00:28:00.570
And I found myself in an area where.

00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:05.550
There was a lot of negativity and there
was a lot of, and I was constantly dealing

00:28:05.550 --> 00:28:09.000
with it and I was, I'm a consulting
subject matter expert for a number of

00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:12.240
different law firms and for, and so
obviously the things that come in are

00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:16.050
going to be negatively based and then
we'd post things up on social media

00:28:16.050 --> 00:28:17.550
and people would be cutting it down.

00:28:17.550 --> 00:28:23.970
And, and I found slowly, but surely it
kind of starts to shape, uh, your own

00:28:23.970 --> 00:28:26.190
perspective and your own life, right.

00:28:26.670 --> 00:28:29.490
By creating, let's say
the silver Corp podcast.

00:28:30.344 --> 00:28:34.034
By having something like whole wild,
where you can surround yourself with

00:28:34.064 --> 00:28:38.235
positive people who are doing what
you're passionate about in the industry.

00:28:38.294 --> 00:28:42.615
I think that's one of the ways that
I think that's one of the biggest

00:28:42.615 --> 00:28:46.274
ways that we're able to elevate the
industry in general and just shut that

00:28:46.274 --> 00:28:48.254
white noise off and hold the nice.

00:28:49.770 --> 00:28:50.250
Yeah,

00:28:50.370 --> 00:28:52.110
I completely agree with that, man.

00:28:52.320 --> 00:28:55.620
I completely agree with that philosophy
and I'm going to butcher the quote and

00:28:55.620 --> 00:28:59.430
I'm going to butcher who quoted it, but
I think it was mother Teresa when she

00:28:59.430 --> 00:29:03.450
was like, you know, don't invite me to
a war rally, cause I'm not going to.

00:29:04.170 --> 00:29:05.730
But he'd invite me to a peace rally.

00:29:05.790 --> 00:29:06.960
I'm going to be there every single time.

00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:10.380
I'll be the front one on the lines where
if you, if you promote what, you're,

00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:14.490
what you want to happen, as opposed
to promoting the negativity that's

00:29:14.490 --> 00:29:16.350
happening, it's never going to win.

00:29:16.390 --> 00:29:17.970
You're always going to
get more negativity.

00:29:18.120 --> 00:29:20.700
You're going to be promoting that
instead of like, I'm going to promote

00:29:20.790 --> 00:29:24.450
the love and the joy and the fun and
the comradery and all that stuff.

00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:25.260
That's what I want.

00:29:25.500 --> 00:29:25.860
Right.

00:29:25.980 --> 00:29:27.510
So why wouldn't I be talking about that?

00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:28.620
Absolutely.

00:29:28.620 --> 00:29:29.940
Talk about us, surround yourself with.

00:29:30.764 --> 00:29:35.175
I noticed talking with others
who are in the film industry

00:29:35.175 --> 00:29:36.524
or in the music industry.

00:29:36.524 --> 00:29:40.274
And sometimes I'll see that
people have two different.

00:29:41.264 --> 00:29:44.504
And they've got their public facing
persona, their entertaining persona.

00:29:44.595 --> 00:29:49.334
I think I remember bear Grylls
said he's got a BG and bear.

00:29:49.665 --> 00:29:49.965
Right.

00:29:49.965 --> 00:29:51.764
And when he's with his family, he's bare.

00:29:51.764 --> 00:29:56.024
And when he's out doing crazy
adventures and Eaton, who

00:29:56.024 --> 00:29:58.125
knows what well that's as BG.

00:29:58.215 --> 00:29:58.514
Right.

00:29:59.985 --> 00:30:08.235
Do you find that you kind of find the same
thing that there's a Lucas hole in LA?

00:30:09.360 --> 00:30:09.720
Yeah.

00:30:09.750 --> 00:30:12.930
I mean a little bit, I guess when it comes
to your family, you kind of let your guard

00:30:12.930 --> 00:30:17.490
down a lot more because they're family,
you know, and you know, when you're,

00:30:17.850 --> 00:30:21.120
when you're with on the entertainment
side, it's like you have all these.

00:30:22.035 --> 00:30:24.915
Barriers up a little bit, because you
don't want somebody to capture you

00:30:24.915 --> 00:30:27.915
saying something stupid or saying this
or something that with your family,

00:30:27.915 --> 00:30:29.205
you say stupid crap all the time.

00:30:29.205 --> 00:30:29.415
Right.

00:30:31.275 --> 00:30:34.155
And you don't care about it, but
you know, with the, with the way

00:30:34.155 --> 00:30:37.485
people are recording everything
and doing stuff, you kind of keep

00:30:37.485 --> 00:30:40.575
those little barriers around you a
little bit when you're out in public.

00:30:40.605 --> 00:30:41.235
So yeah.

00:30:41.725 --> 00:30:42.145
Yeah.

00:30:44.340 --> 00:30:44.820
I get,

00:30:45.900 --> 00:30:46.200
you know what?

00:30:49.800 --> 00:30:50.550
put a mask on a

00:30:50.550 --> 00:30:51.120
computer.

00:30:51.910 --> 00:30:53.280
I catch it through the screen here.

00:30:53.700 --> 00:30:54.480
Oh my God.

00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:56.730
Excuse me.

00:30:57.915 --> 00:30:58.905
I'm sure I'm getting over.

00:30:58.905 --> 00:31:03.255
COVID even though I tested negative
rest of my family tested positive.

00:31:03.255 --> 00:31:05.505
So who knows how that works.

00:31:07.005 --> 00:31:11.535
And I've actually been asked to speak on
a, uh, a live cast tonight on the current

00:31:11.535 --> 00:31:13.605
situation over here in Canada with a truck

00:31:13.605 --> 00:31:13.935
rally.

00:31:14.565 --> 00:31:16.335
And how's that going up there by the way?

00:31:16.645 --> 00:31:18.165
It's interesting.

00:31:18.255 --> 00:31:19.245
It's interesting.

00:31:19.245 --> 00:31:22.185
I'm seeing bleed over into
the states as well with, uh,

00:31:22.425 --> 00:31:25.665
we're supposed to, yeah, I think
there's going to be a big truck rally

00:31:25.665 --> 00:31:26.745
starting here in the next couple days.

00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:27.740
Yeah.

00:31:27.780 --> 00:31:31.320
A bunch of truckers here in the
states are heading to the Capitol.

00:31:31.320 --> 00:31:32.040
So we'll see.

00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:36.330
I hope so, man, we need something
for us to stand up and fight back.

00:31:36.330 --> 00:31:37.410
So I agree,

00:31:37.470 --> 00:31:39.960
you know, it's from a
social science experiment.

00:31:39.990 --> 00:31:41.370
I find it very interesting.

00:31:41.700 --> 00:31:46.950
Just look looking at how people can
just, just so human nature is and how

00:31:46.950 --> 00:31:51.180
people act and how quickly people will
capitulate or give up rights and freedoms.

00:31:51.915 --> 00:31:56.355
It's and how scared people can
be to actually speak out because

00:31:56.715 --> 00:31:58.665
of these, of the social norms.

00:31:59.085 --> 00:31:59.445
Yeah.

00:32:00.135 --> 00:32:05.085
I think if it, if there wasn't all the
social media platforms, more people

00:32:05.085 --> 00:32:09.405
would have spoken out a lot sooner, but
you see everything that goes on social

00:32:09.405 --> 00:32:14.085
media and how people just get bombarded
with negativity and just destroyed

00:32:14.264 --> 00:32:16.455
lives because they say one little thing.

00:32:17.264 --> 00:32:19.004
I think if it was, you know, all that.

00:32:19.800 --> 00:32:23.370
Delete, we could have been
back to normal a long time ago.

00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:23.820
Oh

00:32:23.820 --> 00:32:24.000
yeah.

00:32:24.330 --> 00:32:28.260
You know, and I see you on, on Tik
talk and you're on social media.

00:32:30.794 --> 00:32:31.575
Oh, gosh, man.

00:32:32.235 --> 00:32:33.794
Not because I want to it's because I

00:32:34.605 --> 00:32:35.534
got to do it right.

00:32:35.534 --> 00:32:37.995
It's if you want to be able to
connect to the masses, you have

00:32:37.995 --> 00:32:40.304
to know how they're talking and
what they're talking about, right?

00:32:40.335 --> 00:32:40.784
Yeah.

00:32:40.845 --> 00:32:43.935
You try and get one little thing,
like your music stuff to pop off,

00:32:43.935 --> 00:32:45.044
you know, and do really good.

00:32:45.044 --> 00:32:48.705
And it just kind of does this, this stays
plateau, but then you do some stupid.

00:32:49.270 --> 00:32:52.510
Video about absolutely nothing I
did at Cobra, Kai, cause I'm a Coke

00:32:52.510 --> 00:32:56.500
Khalfan thing and I did a stupid
video and that thing popped off.

00:32:56.500 --> 00:32:59.380
I was like a million, some 0.3
million views or something.

00:32:59.380 --> 00:33:00.250
I don't know what it is.

00:33:00.250 --> 00:33:01.210
It's all about what?

00:33:03.670 --> 00:33:04.330
Oh man.

00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:06.220
It's funny way.

00:33:06.220 --> 00:33:06.760
It is.

00:33:07.300 --> 00:33:08.560
The people are communicating.

00:33:08.860 --> 00:33:09.100
Yeah.

00:33:09.460 --> 00:33:10.570
I heard something about.

00:33:11.925 --> 00:33:13.784
W what was it over here?

00:33:13.875 --> 00:33:16.725
Tick talk is people dancing
and doing goofy things.

00:33:17.294 --> 00:33:21.315
And apparently in China, the algorithm
rewards people who are inventing

00:33:21.315 --> 00:33:26.325
things or who are doing something
that said a worthwhile essentially,

00:33:26.325 --> 00:33:26.565
right?

00:33:27.075 --> 00:33:27.585
Yeah.

00:33:27.975 --> 00:33:28.965
What a concept.

00:33:31.245 --> 00:33:31.544
Okay.

00:33:31.555 --> 00:33:34.815
Rewarded for doing something
worthwhile the thought that's

00:33:34.815 --> 00:33:35.055
great.

00:33:35.055 --> 00:33:35.985
Is there any dancing in there?

00:33:35.985 --> 00:33:37.305
And I forget, I'm not interested.

00:33:37.514 --> 00:33:38.355
Oh my gosh.

00:33:38.685 --> 00:33:39.855
So with the.

00:33:40.665 --> 00:33:44.775
Do you find on a whole wild, do
you, are you catching heat for being

00:33:44.775 --> 00:33:46.695
the face of a, of a popular hunting

00:33:47.475 --> 00:33:48.075
FIM?

00:33:48.075 --> 00:33:48.855
I'm not listening.

00:33:51.375 --> 00:33:56.565
You know, I, I love what I do and
I want to share it with the world.

00:33:56.565 --> 00:33:59.205
And, and there's so many people
that are like, man, I can't

00:33:59.205 --> 00:34:00.375
believe you get to go and do this.

00:34:00.375 --> 00:34:01.125
I'm like you can't do.

00:34:01.125 --> 00:34:02.175
And that's the thing I want to show.

00:34:02.175 --> 00:34:03.785
Cause I'll be, I'll be doing some pretty.

00:34:04.740 --> 00:34:08.820
I call it some white glove hunts and some
pretty cool things where I'll be like,

00:34:08.850 --> 00:34:12.960
I'm going to yacht and in the Virgin
islands and we'd have a captain and a

00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:14.639
chef, but I'm like, they're my friends.

00:34:14.730 --> 00:34:16.230
So I think cost me anything to go.

00:34:16.650 --> 00:34:17.190
Yeah.

00:34:17.340 --> 00:34:20.489
I just know people in the right
places and you can hear the same thing

00:34:20.489 --> 00:34:24.810
and literally you can rent a yacht,
like a full, like a four-bedroom

00:34:24.810 --> 00:34:28.980
yacht in the Virgin islands with a
captain and a sh and a crew or chef.

00:34:30.179 --> 00:34:34.049
A family of four or six for the same
price that it would cost you to go to it.

00:34:34.049 --> 00:34:36.299
Like a big theme park here for a weekend.

00:34:36.569 --> 00:34:37.199
Oh, I'll tell

00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:38.310
you where my money's going.

00:34:38.850 --> 00:34:39.389
Thank you.

00:34:39.419 --> 00:34:39.839
Right.

00:34:40.350 --> 00:34:42.629
I can go straight to the blue
waters of the Caribbean baby.

00:34:43.080 --> 00:34:43.290
Oh

00:34:43.330 --> 00:34:43.819
yes.

00:34:44.040 --> 00:34:44.790
Hell yes.

00:34:45.839 --> 00:34:48.029
Well, you know, it's
not always blue waters.

00:34:48.029 --> 00:34:51.620
I mean, I, I watched you out and I
think it was Montana there on an.

00:34:52.590 --> 00:34:55.530
Yeah, it looked, uh,
Bella kind of interesting.

00:34:55.770 --> 00:34:58.800
That was crazy was supposed to be
this like great, you know, hunt and,

00:34:58.860 --> 00:35:00.450
you know, sleeping in wall tents.

00:35:00.450 --> 00:35:02.700
And that's, I love that stuff.

00:35:02.730 --> 00:35:06.480
I grew up, you know, hunting hard,
you know, and, uh, it got really

00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:09.740
hard because as soon as I start
driving from Nashville, we got to.

00:35:10.649 --> 00:35:14.460
South Dakota and man, the snow
and I started and I was white

00:35:14.460 --> 00:35:15.509
knuckling it the whole way.

00:35:15.690 --> 00:35:17.790
I'm driving a sprinter van
and trailer loaded down.

00:35:17.790 --> 00:35:19.200
Cause I'm going to be
out for like three weeks.

00:35:19.200 --> 00:35:24.060
I'm like, I got everything I need from the
mountains to a bird hunting Montana and

00:35:24.060 --> 00:35:26.450
to down do a Gator hunt and Louisiana all.

00:35:26.700 --> 00:35:28.259
So I'm like white knuckling.

00:35:28.290 --> 00:35:31.710
I see tractor trailers getting turned
over in front of me and people just going

00:35:31.710 --> 00:35:35.730
too fast and spinning out and I'm like,
I'm going like 30 miles an hour or 25.

00:35:35.970 --> 00:35:37.020
It took me three days to get.

00:35:37.600 --> 00:35:42.069
Sioux falls to great falls Montana,
and it should have taken me like

00:35:42.189 --> 00:35:43.810
less than a day to get there.

00:35:44.379 --> 00:35:49.450
And I'm just like, I'm going to, I'm
going to survive this crazy concept.

00:35:49.750 --> 00:35:55.839
And we get there and the snow just, just
pounds us go from like just a flurry to.

00:35:56.790 --> 00:35:57.270
What was it?

00:35:57.270 --> 00:35:59.250
48 inches of snow overnight.

00:35:59.600 --> 00:36:04.320
We're packing in and our hip flexors are
killing us and we took three days and

00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:08.370
just sitting in Waltons chopping wood,
just to be able to stay on the mountain.

00:36:08.730 --> 00:36:09.780
That's hard hunting.

00:36:09.870 --> 00:36:10.260
Damn

00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:11.610
well.

00:36:11.640 --> 00:36:12.330
It was a blast

00:36:12.330 --> 00:36:12.540
though.

00:36:12.780 --> 00:36:16.620
I think you're going, you got some
crazy African adventures coming

00:36:16.620 --> 00:36:17.250
up, don't you?

00:36:17.580 --> 00:36:19.020
Yeah, I leave next Tuesday.

00:36:19.530 --> 00:36:20.140
Have you been there for.

00:36:21.030 --> 00:36:22.110
I've been to Northern Africa.

00:36:22.110 --> 00:36:23.220
I've now been to South Africa.

00:36:23.220 --> 00:36:27.510
So I'm looking forward to seeing
pretty Africa as opposed to the not

00:36:27.510 --> 00:36:29.250
so pretty Africa and north Africa.

00:36:29.820 --> 00:36:31.680
And, uh, yeah, it's going to be fun.

00:36:31.680 --> 00:36:32.010
We're going to be.

00:36:32.819 --> 00:36:35.310
Probably the first three or four
days and do like, just to kind of a

00:36:35.310 --> 00:36:39.720
shutter bug safari for my wife and
I, and then my camera guys and the

00:36:39.720 --> 00:36:45.089
crews show up, um, like around the
1st of January, February, March.

00:36:45.569 --> 00:36:46.229
Right, right.

00:36:46.319 --> 00:36:50.040
And it will be there till March
11th and, uh, doing Plains

00:36:50.040 --> 00:36:51.959
game and things like that.

00:36:51.959 --> 00:36:52.450
So, yeah.

00:36:53.715 --> 00:36:54.045
Good.

00:36:54.165 --> 00:36:56.445
I actually, what a lot of people
don't know which I'm going to try and

00:36:56.445 --> 00:37:01.035
bring to light is the fact that the
hunting industry is what kind of keeps

00:37:01.035 --> 00:37:04.935
South Africa or Africa in general
alive, you know, over there, it's fun.

00:37:05.025 --> 00:37:06.195
It funds a lot.

00:37:06.675 --> 00:37:10.425
I mean, millions and millions of
dollars for the locals over there

00:37:10.425 --> 00:37:13.875
and for conservation and what a lot
of people don't understand when.

00:37:14.910 --> 00:37:17.730
For lack of better words, it's
kind of the snowflakes get involved

00:37:17.730 --> 00:37:20.730
and they're trying to stop this
and that they don't understand.

00:37:20.790 --> 00:37:24.629
These hurts are getting so big over
these last two years, because none

00:37:24.629 --> 00:37:29.370
of us hunters have been able to go
over to help keep these herds under

00:37:29.370 --> 00:37:31.680
bay that they're taken over again.

00:37:31.680 --> 00:37:36.120
You know, and a lot of these little
tribes are getting ran into with

00:37:36.150 --> 00:37:41.430
like herds of animals and they're not
equipped to hunt like that anymore.

00:37:41.460 --> 00:37:43.440
You know, they really aren't.

00:37:44.435 --> 00:37:47.225
It's been devastating on
the industry over there.

00:37:47.225 --> 00:37:49.835
So it's great that they kind of opened
the borders back up for us to come

00:37:49.835 --> 00:37:50.255
back.

00:37:50.735 --> 00:37:51.335
No kidding.

00:37:51.335 --> 00:37:54.904
I know you're going to try and paint
that whole picture and get that for me.

00:37:54.904 --> 00:37:56.435
So alongside of the adventure.

00:37:56.495 --> 00:37:57.995
Sure, absolutely.

00:37:58.025 --> 00:37:58.475
Absolutely.

00:37:58.545 --> 00:38:00.815
We're doing a big rhino
conservation piece as well.

00:38:00.815 --> 00:38:05.345
So Tam safari is the one that's
bringing us over and, um, they

00:38:05.375 --> 00:38:08.674
have a whole rhino facility on
their property where they rent.

00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:14.310
Baby rhinos and put them back out in the
wild and they do this protection thing

00:38:14.310 --> 00:38:18.900
where they actually harvest the horns
that you know, that the big horn on

00:38:18.900 --> 00:38:24.120
the rhino and, you know, let them grow
again and all that stuff so that they're

00:38:24.120 --> 00:38:26.400
trying try and take out the whole ivory.

00:38:27.150 --> 00:38:28.680
You know, poaching thing.

00:38:28.860 --> 00:38:33.750
So it's like, okay, we've got plenty of
ivory, all plenty of that stuff on hand.

00:38:33.870 --> 00:38:36.660
No need to go out and just
poach these animals, if you

00:38:36.660 --> 00:38:38.069
want it here, type of thing.

00:38:38.580 --> 00:38:41.819
And there's so bad, the poaching
is just rampant over there.

00:38:42.029 --> 00:38:45.150
So it's, it's, it's cool to be
over there and witness all that

00:38:45.150 --> 00:38:47.009
and help bring the story to life.

00:38:47.520 --> 00:38:47.700
You know?

00:38:47.759 --> 00:38:49.950
Oh, I did a podcast actually.

00:38:49.950 --> 00:38:50.880
I did a couple of podcasts.

00:38:50.910 --> 00:38:52.290
Good friend of mine, Darren Mon.

00:38:52.310 --> 00:38:55.799
I did one cause he was a
professional hunter over in Africa.

00:38:56.970 --> 00:39:00.360
He's a Rhodesian Zimbabwe individual.

00:39:00.510 --> 00:39:07.320
And, uh, he's also the body guard for
Oprah Winfrey and it hurts for some time.

00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:07.500
Yeah.

00:39:07.500 --> 00:39:11.100
Some pretty crazy stories that
he, uh, that he had there too.

00:39:11.100 --> 00:39:16.200
But, uh, anyways, talking about how
the hunting industry really supports

00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:20.850
Africa and an ecosystem, and many of the
animals are alive because of the hunting.

00:39:21.300 --> 00:39:21.840
Absolutely.

00:39:22.290 --> 00:39:25.170
And, uh, then I get a message
from him a couple of weeks ago

00:39:25.170 --> 00:39:26.910
and he said, We're going hunting.

00:39:26.970 --> 00:39:28.050
We're going to go over to Africa.

00:39:28.080 --> 00:39:29.010
I'm setting it up.

00:39:29.040 --> 00:39:31.890
So I'll, uh, I'm excited.

00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:34.470
I'm going to see what it's all about,
but I'm going to watch your show first to

00:39:34.470 --> 00:39:36.780
try and get a bit more flavor about it.

00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:39.710
Maybe try it afterwards
about the, uh, the duties.

00:39:40.650 --> 00:39:41.110
Yeah.

00:39:41.860 --> 00:39:42.130
Yeah.

00:39:42.210 --> 00:39:43.740
And the, my camera guy
has been over there.

00:39:43.770 --> 00:39:46.500
Like, I don't know, eight or nine
times filming for other shows too.

00:39:46.500 --> 00:39:49.770
So it's really cool to have a native,
you know, a veteran guy that's going

00:39:49.770 --> 00:39:51.660
over there and to film with me as well.

00:39:51.660 --> 00:39:54.180
So I'll be, I'll be able to
capitalize on a lot more stuff.

00:39:54.180 --> 00:39:54.360
So,

00:39:55.259 --> 00:39:56.850
so what takes priority in your life?

00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:57.570
Is it going to be your.

00:39:58.365 --> 00:40:01.035
Music career or is it going
to be the, the showed?

00:40:01.125 --> 00:40:03.915
And when I say show, you've
done more than one show, I mean

00:40:03.915 --> 00:40:05.835
your animal conservation show

00:40:05.835 --> 00:40:06.285
as well.

00:40:06.285 --> 00:40:10.095
And yeah, I mean, honestly they go
hand in hand one feeds the other.

00:40:10.335 --> 00:40:14.715
Um, because every time I do a
sh uh, one of my, uh, hook wild

00:40:14.805 --> 00:40:16.665
episodes, I try and tie it in with.

00:40:17.460 --> 00:40:20.310
Either a concert or some
sort of a music element.

00:40:20.730 --> 00:40:23.879
So like when I'm in Africa, I've
got a concert over there that I'm

00:40:23.879 --> 00:40:27.660
doing and raising money for the Amy
Bell foundation, which they build

00:40:27.660 --> 00:40:31.649
schools for the children over there,
um, which is going to be really fun.

00:40:31.830 --> 00:40:33.990
It's a small little kind of a bar.

00:40:33.990 --> 00:40:37.200
And, uh, I want to say
chronic, uh, Africa.

00:40:37.589 --> 00:40:40.109
Um, so the seating is all
like hay bales and stuff.

00:40:40.140 --> 00:40:40.799
It's going to be awesome.

00:40:40.799 --> 00:40:41.640
It's gonna be so much fun.

00:40:41.890 --> 00:40:43.970
Just need a guitar and we're
going to raise the money and hope.

00:40:44.820 --> 00:40:48.030
And do some stuff over there
with the Amy Amy Bell foundation.

00:40:48.540 --> 00:40:51.630
And I kind of try and do that anywhere
I go, you know, like when we were just

00:40:51.630 --> 00:40:56.070
down in Dominican Republic, uh, shooting
an episode at Casa compo with some good

00:40:56.070 --> 00:40:59.520
friends of mine, uh, there was another
organization down there that I was able

00:40:59.520 --> 00:41:01.140
to do a concert for while I was there.

00:41:01.140 --> 00:41:06.720
So it's like, it all kind of happens
to, to tie in pretty, pretty seamlessly.

00:41:06.990 --> 00:41:07.260
Isn't

00:41:07.260 --> 00:41:09.060
that amazing how much you get back?

00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:11.340
Absolutely man.

00:41:11.430 --> 00:41:11.700
Amen.

00:41:11.730 --> 00:41:12.660
I started giving back.

00:41:12.900 --> 00:41:15.750
I mean, my wife was a huge advocate
about that from the beginning.

00:41:16.560 --> 00:41:19.590
And she started putting me in touch
with, uh, we started going down

00:41:19.590 --> 00:41:23.970
to Mexico, to Puerto Vallarta and,
uh, I would do a concert on the

00:41:23.970 --> 00:41:27.300
beach and we'd raise money for this
organization called hook the cure.

00:41:27.660 --> 00:41:30.450
And, um, it was all
benefiting cystic fibrosis.

00:41:30.630 --> 00:41:30.780
Okay.

00:41:31.560 --> 00:41:32.550
I started doing that.

00:41:32.580 --> 00:41:35.850
I didn't, we didn't know a soul
going down there, but we turned into

00:41:35.850 --> 00:41:37.590
just, wow, it's a family reunion.

00:41:37.590 --> 00:41:37.860
Right.

00:41:37.860 --> 00:41:40.080
Everybody comes back every
year for the last 10 years.

00:41:40.080 --> 00:41:43.320
And it's Orel Hershiser and Rick
Honeycutt and Matt young from the

00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:45.750
Dodgers and, you know, just great people.

00:41:45.750 --> 00:41:47.640
And we just became really solid friends.

00:41:47.640 --> 00:41:52.020
And now it's like opened up so well,
I have them on as guests, as celebrity

00:41:52.020 --> 00:41:54.660
guests on my show, they were, were the
ones that went to Dominican with me.

00:41:54.660 --> 00:41:57.420
And it just, you know,
it just compounds itself.

00:41:57.450 --> 00:41:59.250
You know exactly what you said.

00:41:59.250 --> 00:41:59.970
Give back, you get.

00:42:00.825 --> 00:42:01.335
Absolutely.

00:42:01.335 --> 00:42:01.635
Yeah.

00:42:01.665 --> 00:42:04.695
A hundred percent of what you get out
of life is what you put into it and what

00:42:04.695 --> 00:42:06.495
you, what you're willing to give up.

00:42:06.525 --> 00:42:10.395
But I think there's a, I think
there can be a, uh, a difficult

00:42:10.395 --> 00:42:11.715
part there for a lot of people.

00:42:11.715 --> 00:42:14.505
It sounds like you've got that
one squared in the giving back.

00:42:14.505 --> 00:42:18.345
There's going to be a lot of takers
out there and being, being able to

00:42:18.345 --> 00:42:24.885
identify where to give your time
and efforts and energy and w who

00:42:24.885 --> 00:42:27.765
are essentially the vampires who
are just going to continue leaching.

00:42:28.919 --> 00:42:32.790
Oh, yeah, man, we get calls
every day about organizations.

00:42:32.790 --> 00:42:33.480
How can you do this?

00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:34.410
Or can you donate this?

00:42:34.410 --> 00:42:40.049
And I'm like, I don't, I started out
like, I don't have money to give, and

00:42:40.049 --> 00:42:42.299
that's not the gift that I like to give.

00:42:42.330 --> 00:42:43.290
I give my time.

00:42:43.319 --> 00:42:47.100
I give my gifts, um, to
whatever those can benefit you.

00:42:47.189 --> 00:42:48.240
I would love to help out.

00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:51.780
But right now, If they're like, Hey,
can you give a hundred thousand dollars?

00:42:51.780 --> 00:42:53.400
I'm like, no, I probably can't.

00:42:55.590 --> 00:42:58.350
I'm just going to be
straightforward with it.

00:42:58.680 --> 00:43:00.720
If you're asking for money, it's
probably not going to happen.

00:43:00.720 --> 00:43:02.910
But if you need somebody to
come help you raise some money,

00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:04.470
I'll be happy to do that.

00:43:04.950 --> 00:43:06.330
You know, those kinds of things.

00:43:06.390 --> 00:43:10.740
Um, and I, I can help out that
way, but, you know, it's, you

00:43:10.740 --> 00:43:14.070
just have to weed through them and
hope that you're doing the right

00:43:14.070 --> 00:43:15.630
thing for the right organization.

00:43:15.630 --> 00:43:16.590
You know, you

00:43:16.590 --> 00:43:16.710
know,

00:43:16.710 --> 00:43:20.715
people will say, uh, It's not
personal, it's just business.

00:43:21.135 --> 00:43:25.605
And I've always been a very, very
strong believer that all business

00:43:25.635 --> 00:43:32.715
is personal business is based on
relationships, which are, are, uh,

00:43:32.745 --> 00:43:37.125
cultivated over time based on trust and
past history, because the best person.

00:43:37.814 --> 00:43:40.935
Predictor of future performance
is past performance.

00:43:41.325 --> 00:43:45.734
So from my perspective, business is
very much personal and being able

00:43:45.734 --> 00:43:49.214
to surround yourself with the people
who you can trust and you share

00:43:49.214 --> 00:43:51.225
the same core values that you do.

00:43:51.645 --> 00:43:51.944
Yeah.

00:43:52.185 --> 00:43:57.585
Uh, seems to me anyways, I, I don't
have nearly the accolades that you

00:43:57.585 --> 00:44:02.384
do, but within, within my small realm
of what I do seems to be the driving

00:44:02.384 --> 00:44:05.564
force to where I find my success.

00:44:05.654 --> 00:44:06.464
W would you.

00:44:07.770 --> 00:44:09.390
I'm a hundred percent
right there with you, man.

00:44:09.629 --> 00:44:12.600
I always say that you're never
really going to hard work your

00:44:12.600 --> 00:44:14.669
way to the top or to success.

00:44:14.669 --> 00:44:16.140
You're going to connect your way to it.

00:44:16.620 --> 00:44:20.430
And, um, you know, that's, that's been
my philosophy too, and try and never

00:44:20.430 --> 00:44:24.779
burn a bridge and, and you try and make
sure that everybody you meets not a

00:44:24.779 --> 00:44:27.330
stranger until they make it that way.

00:44:27.330 --> 00:44:30.359
And it's just, you know,
that's what it's all about.

00:44:30.359 --> 00:44:32.910
You know, just connecting it.

00:44:34.965 --> 00:44:36.645
Excuse me COVID again.

00:44:39.345 --> 00:44:39.605
Yeah.

00:44:39.705 --> 00:44:43.605
We just got a new hunting dog, man.

00:44:43.905 --> 00:44:47.505
Yeah, actually it was not too
far from where you grew up

00:44:47.505 --> 00:44:49.515
was in Kansas city, Missouri.

00:44:49.905 --> 00:44:50.595
Oh yeah.

00:44:50.685 --> 00:44:52.335
And a three and a half hours.

00:44:52.885 --> 00:44:59.445
I Googled it and I was like, that's about
three and a half hours, but yeah, we're my

00:44:59.445 --> 00:45:03.075
wife was going to fly down there and she,
uh, ended up having to cancel the ticket.

00:45:04.110 --> 00:45:07.200
And because she got COVID, she was fine.

00:45:07.530 --> 00:45:10.170
Didn't realize it and
just tested positive.

00:45:10.200 --> 00:45:14.220
But luckily we were able to find another
family that was picking up dogs and they

00:45:14.340 --> 00:45:15.870
drove it all the way back to Washington.

00:45:15.870 --> 00:45:18.270
And once the quarantine was over,
it could go down and pick it up.

00:45:18.300 --> 00:45:19.590
But, uh, it's great.

00:45:19.680 --> 00:45:22.230
Yeah, that was, um, yeah.

00:45:22.330 --> 00:45:26.370
Anyways, talking about COVID and the
different effects that has, it looks

00:45:26.370 --> 00:45:31.020
like in the next couple of months, that's
probably most of this COVID going to.

00:45:32.310 --> 00:45:35.670
Yeah, I think they're done
manipulating this, the masses and

00:45:36.120 --> 00:45:40.500
they're, so they've slapped us
around long enough to where okay.

00:45:40.710 --> 00:45:41.460
No more slaps.

00:45:41.670 --> 00:45:43.290
Well, and that's had your punches,

00:45:44.790 --> 00:45:48.420
but I think it was a really important
thing to happen because I think people

00:45:48.420 --> 00:45:51.930
needed to be pushed so far in order
for the push to kind of come back.

00:45:53.385 --> 00:45:53.715
Yeah.

00:45:53.745 --> 00:45:57.615
To keep these, you know, for lack of
better word politicians in lines and

00:45:57.615 --> 00:46:01.605
know that, Hey, we put you in this
place, we put you in office for a reason,

00:46:02.295 --> 00:46:03.765
and then you take advantage of it.

00:46:04.125 --> 00:46:05.295
We need to get it back.

00:46:06.045 --> 00:46:09.885
You know, one area where I found
that COVID has really helped.

00:46:09.885 --> 00:46:10.545
And I don't want to take up.

00:46:10.575 --> 00:46:12.595
I know you're really, really
busy there, but no, no, no.

00:46:12.615 --> 00:46:13.095
We're good.

00:46:13.245 --> 00:46:13.545
Okay.

00:46:13.545 --> 00:46:14.805
Good is in.

00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:16.859
The hunting industry.

00:46:17.160 --> 00:46:21.120
I found the demand and people wanting
to learn how to hunt or to help be

00:46:21.120 --> 00:46:26.430
self-sufficient or forage has just, at
least in Canada, I found it just SkyRide.

00:46:27.345 --> 00:46:31.005
Oh, the outdoors industry
here has just exploded.

00:46:31.035 --> 00:46:32.925
I mean, you can't keep
things on the shelves.

00:46:33.435 --> 00:46:35.265
Um, you can't find ammo.

00:46:35.505 --> 00:46:39.225
I mean, Remington ammo is one of my
partners and I have a hard time ordering.

00:46:41.175 --> 00:46:41.865
Good for Remi.

00:46:42.134 --> 00:46:42.555
Yeah.

00:46:42.585 --> 00:46:44.475
Oh yeah, absolutely man.

00:46:44.565 --> 00:46:48.285
And it's just those things and you
see a lot of new brands popping up

00:46:48.285 --> 00:46:52.605
that are already super successful,
you know, so it's, it's it, wasn't

00:46:52.725 --> 00:46:55.935
a good, there are have been some
cool elements that have happened.

00:46:56.850 --> 00:47:00.870
You know this craziness, but, uh, I
wish it didn't have to have a happen.

00:47:01.080 --> 00:47:01.740
I

00:47:01.830 --> 00:47:02.970
absolutely hear you.

00:47:03.210 --> 00:47:07.410
Have you found that it's affected, um,
uh, the show, at least in viewership,

00:47:07.410 --> 00:47:10.080
more people wanting to learn essentially?

00:47:10.590 --> 00:47:10.890
Yeah.

00:47:10.890 --> 00:47:13.470
The first season man was awesome.

00:47:13.560 --> 00:47:13.830
I think.

00:47:14.790 --> 00:47:18.420
Like 3.5 million viewers out of
the gate, which was really cool

00:47:18.540 --> 00:47:20.400
for a Sportsman's channels show.

00:47:20.490 --> 00:47:23.640
And, um, obviously everybody was in the
house and everything was great, but the

00:47:23.640 --> 00:47:27.210
viewers have been great for season two
and really looking forward to season

00:47:27.240 --> 00:47:28.440
three is going to be the best yet.

00:47:29.100 --> 00:47:32.910
So we're just having fun and going to
keep putting out hopefully great content

00:47:32.910 --> 00:47:34.000
that people are going to want to see.

00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:38.880
And, but yeah, I definitely, uh, COVID
has, has, uh, given me more time to

00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:42.240
focus on the show because I haven't
been able to tour as a musician.

00:47:43.470 --> 00:47:46.140
As much because of it,
which is a downfall.

00:47:46.140 --> 00:47:50.610
But, uh, I like, again, I keep
trying to tie, uh, concerts into

00:47:50.900 --> 00:47:52.470
episodes as much as I possibly can.

00:47:52.470 --> 00:47:52.710
So

00:47:53.070 --> 00:47:58.350
that's what amazing, well, you know, I'm,
I'm conscious of time constraints here.

00:47:58.350 --> 00:48:02.640
Is there anything that we haven't
talked about that we should be talking.

00:48:03.570 --> 00:48:03.779
Man.

00:48:03.779 --> 00:48:04.320
I don't think so.

00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:05.279
We covered a lot, man.

00:48:05.310 --> 00:48:06.210
We want to get stuff.

00:48:06.690 --> 00:48:06.930
I've got

00:48:06.930 --> 00:48:07.680
ADHD.

00:48:07.680 --> 00:48:10.440
I'm kind of all over the
board, but, uh, I have to,

00:48:11.700 --> 00:48:12.480
oh, absolutely.

00:48:13.020 --> 00:48:14.820
I'll be thinking about one
thing was like squirrel a,

00:48:14.850 --> 00:48:15.690
what are we talking about here?

00:48:17.029 --> 00:48:18.960
It's an interesting way to
live a life that's for sure.

00:48:18.990 --> 00:48:19.310
Yeah.

00:48:20.820 --> 00:48:25.170
Is there anything that people would
be surprised to know about you?

00:48:27.840 --> 00:48:28.650
I don't know, man.

00:48:28.710 --> 00:48:30.870
I guess if they've watched
hog-wild they'll know that I.

00:48:31.860 --> 00:48:35.700
Pretty much came from nothing
and, and doing what I love to do.

00:48:35.700 --> 00:48:38.310
And you know, I'm not the
richest guy in that world.

00:48:38.310 --> 00:48:40.410
I'm not the most famous guy in
the world, but man, I have to feel

00:48:40.410 --> 00:48:43.920
like I'm one of the most successful
guys in the world because I love

00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:45.390
what I do day in and day out.

00:48:45.780 --> 00:48:50.175
And when you, when you have your own
business, It's like what you said,

00:48:50.205 --> 00:48:52.005
you know, nobody knows what goes on.

00:48:52.005 --> 00:48:54.795
They just see what we put out there.

00:48:54.855 --> 00:48:58.215
But when you're working for
yourself, you get up early and

00:48:58.245 --> 00:49:00.075
start the work until you go to bed.

00:49:00.135 --> 00:49:03.405
I mean, it's like, you never shut it off.

00:49:03.465 --> 00:49:05.025
I mean, you're always working.

00:49:05.265 --> 00:49:06.125
You're always on the phone.

00:49:06.165 --> 00:49:07.785
You're always trying to do
something and work and deal.

00:49:07.815 --> 00:49:10.575
So you're working 10 times harder
than you ever would have had you had

00:49:10.575 --> 00:49:14.475
a nine to five job, you know, and,
uh, but it's so much more rewarding

00:49:14.505 --> 00:49:17.595
because you're the one you can make
your own schedule, do your own thing.

00:49:17.595 --> 00:49:17.685
And.

00:49:18.870 --> 00:49:20.940
And builds whatever you want it to build.

00:49:20.970 --> 00:49:22.810
You know, that's, that's
what I love doing.

00:49:22.990 --> 00:49:26.100
And seeing my wife doing it too
with her new company is really,

00:49:26.100 --> 00:49:28.319
really cool and just killing it.

00:49:28.379 --> 00:49:31.680
And I hope that other people are
taking advantage of that too.

00:49:31.680 --> 00:49:35.000
And I think that's another thing
that if you want to call it good.

00:49:36.055 --> 00:49:39.825
Came out COVID was I think a lot of
people, since they didn't have to go to

00:49:39.825 --> 00:49:43.305
their nine to five step back and they're
like, man, I don't like what I'm doing.

00:49:43.515 --> 00:49:44.895
I'm going to do something else.

00:49:45.015 --> 00:49:45.185
Right.

00:49:45.185 --> 00:49:45.585
You know?

00:49:45.855 --> 00:49:48.075
And so many of my friends
have done just that.

00:49:48.075 --> 00:49:51.765
They're like, I'm going to start my own
business or I'm going to figure out how

00:49:51.765 --> 00:49:53.745
to do this myself and blah, blah, blah.

00:49:53.745 --> 00:49:55.004
And I'm like, dude, that's awesome.

00:49:55.035 --> 00:49:55.935
Congratulations.

00:49:55.935 --> 00:49:57.524
You know, what can I do to help?

00:49:58.500 --> 00:50:01.080
I'm just giving you a thumbs up
along the way or a slap on the ass.

00:50:01.439 --> 00:50:02.279
Cause good job.

00:50:03.100 --> 00:50:04.859
Ugly, man.

00:50:05.160 --> 00:50:06.060
I love that attitude.

00:50:06.089 --> 00:50:07.589
Absolutely love that attitude.

00:50:08.040 --> 00:50:10.259
Well, like I say, I'm going
to be throwing links up.

00:50:10.290 --> 00:50:12.959
We'll put a we'll chat
a bit off air as well.

00:50:12.959 --> 00:50:17.009
Anything else we want to kind of throw
in, but uh, cool for the listeners.

00:50:17.339 --> 00:50:18.060
Check it out.

00:50:18.089 --> 00:50:19.229
Check out Lucas Hogue.

00:50:19.560 --> 00:50:21.240
Hog-wild sportsman

00:50:21.240 --> 00:50:21.750
channel.

00:50:22.109 --> 00:50:22.740
Yeah, man.

00:50:24.015 --> 00:50:25.915
There's no DS and no use in Hogue.

00:50:25.935 --> 00:50:31.455
It's H O G E it's hog with an EU Longo.

00:50:34.435 --> 00:50:34.665
Yeah.

00:50:34.815 --> 00:50:35.535
That's easy way.

00:50:35.595 --> 00:50:36.795
Every time I look at it, it's like hug.

00:50:36.795 --> 00:50:37.755
Well, no hogwash.

00:50:38.325 --> 00:50:40.335
Don't don't say hog-wild,
don't say hogwash.

00:50:42.045 --> 00:50:43.535
I get it more than you can imagine.

00:50:43.665 --> 00:50:43.755
Oh,

00:50:43.755 --> 00:50:44.355
I believe it.

00:50:44.475 --> 00:50:45.075
I believe it.

00:50:45.615 --> 00:50:49.355
Thank you so very much for being
on the silver Corp podcast.

00:50:49.355 --> 00:50:50.355
I really enjoyed our cover.

00:50:50.355 --> 00:50:50.415
Yeah.

00:50:51.180 --> 00:50:51.870
Likewise, man.

00:50:51.870 --> 00:50:54.210
Thanks for having me on and
we need to keep in touch and

00:50:54.210 --> 00:50:55.080
we'll do this more often.