WEBVTT 00:00:03.952 --> 00:00:07.636 You are listening to the USDN on the 00:00:07.716 --> 00:00:09.038 DFPN. 00:00:40.503 --> 00:00:41.424 Thanks for watching! 00:01:12.558 --> 00:01:14.362 what is up everyone and welcome to the 00:01:14.403 --> 00:01:16.006 united states department of nerds where we 00:01:16.046 --> 00:01:18.793 are for the people by the people and 00:01:19.013 --> 00:01:19.734 of the people 00:01:20.700 --> 00:01:23.221 Every comic universe begins with an idea, 00:01:23.662 --> 00:01:25.302 a character, a world, 00:01:25.703 --> 00:01:27.665 a story waiting to be told. 00:01:28.025 --> 00:01:30.387 But building an entire universe from 00:01:30.486 --> 00:01:32.628 scratch, that takes vision. 00:01:33.049 --> 00:01:35.510 Tonight, we sit down with Colin McLemore, 00:01:35.811 --> 00:01:38.432 the creator behind Skyline Comics and the 00:01:38.471 --> 00:01:40.813 emerging world known as the Skyline 00:01:41.073 --> 00:01:41.635 Universe. 00:01:42.055 --> 00:01:44.156 From the origins of his flagship character 00:01:44.355 --> 00:01:46.457 outline to the challenge of building a new 00:01:46.658 --> 00:01:48.980 indie comic universe from the ground up. 00:01:50.200 --> 00:01:51.962 We're exploring what it takes to start 00:01:51.981 --> 00:01:53.302 creating your own universe. 00:01:53.944 --> 00:01:54.664 Ladies and gentlemen, 00:01:54.683 --> 00:01:57.346 the Council of Nerds is now in session. 00:01:57.406 --> 00:01:59.728 Colin, welcome to the USDN. 00:02:00.728 --> 00:02:01.390 Thank you, man. 00:02:01.430 --> 00:02:01.810 Thank you. 00:02:02.230 --> 00:02:03.451 It's a pleasure being here. 00:02:04.453 --> 00:02:05.352 So everybody, 00:02:05.393 --> 00:02:07.795 this is Colin's first podcast, 00:02:09.096 --> 00:02:11.437 and I'm glad he picked the USDN to 00:02:11.497 --> 00:02:11.838 do it. 00:02:12.579 --> 00:02:15.442 It's going to be a fun night, 00:02:15.461 --> 00:02:16.603 but let's dive into it, man. 00:02:17.747 --> 00:02:20.510 So before Skyline Comics existed, 00:02:20.751 --> 00:02:22.733 when did you first realize you wanted to 00:02:22.812 --> 00:02:25.596 start creating comics instead of just 00:02:25.656 --> 00:02:27.938 reading them? 00:02:28.019 --> 00:02:28.740 OK, 00:02:28.780 --> 00:02:32.883 so probably when I realized I suck at 00:02:33.003 --> 00:02:34.466 everything else, you know, 00:02:36.367 --> 00:02:37.908 originally I wanted to be like a 00:02:37.968 --> 00:02:39.110 basketball player and stuff. 00:02:39.793 --> 00:02:41.354 Then found out, you know, my peak height, 00:02:41.593 --> 00:02:43.034 five, eight, not going to cut it. 00:02:43.055 --> 00:02:45.496 Oh, man, Mugsy Bones was there. 00:02:46.135 --> 00:02:48.016 But Mugsy Bones is good. 00:02:49.217 --> 00:02:50.437 I ain't Mugsy, you know. 00:02:52.419 --> 00:02:55.161 We also had, you know, 00:02:55.200 --> 00:02:56.941 a couple of other dreams I wanted to 00:02:56.980 --> 00:02:57.141 do. 00:02:58.102 --> 00:02:58.722 Couldn't do it. 00:02:58.782 --> 00:02:59.223 So, you know, 00:02:59.943 --> 00:03:01.764 I've been writing since I was a little 00:03:01.783 --> 00:03:02.104 kid. 00:03:02.304 --> 00:03:03.805 So why not bring that, you know, 00:03:03.824 --> 00:03:04.884 bring that kind of stuff back. 00:03:05.725 --> 00:03:06.306 And now we here. 00:03:06.566 --> 00:03:06.846 Mm-hmm. 00:03:09.586 --> 00:03:10.366 I like it, man. 00:03:11.007 --> 00:03:13.288 Do you have a particular comic, movie, 00:03:13.348 --> 00:03:13.907 or game, 00:03:14.068 --> 00:03:16.248 or kind of maybe another book that kind 00:03:16.269 --> 00:03:18.409 of influenced types of stories that you 00:03:18.430 --> 00:03:18.930 want to tell? 00:03:21.050 --> 00:03:24.633 I wouldn't say, well, Radiant Black, 00:03:24.812 --> 00:03:26.193 right? 00:03:26.213 --> 00:03:28.655 When I first started writing Outline, 00:03:29.996 --> 00:03:32.697 a lot of inspiration came from Radiant 00:03:32.736 --> 00:03:34.837 Black, especially the first two. 00:03:34.918 --> 00:03:35.237 But 00:03:36.774 --> 00:03:38.635 As far as characters or anything like 00:03:38.656 --> 00:03:39.977 that, I would say Punisher. 00:03:39.997 --> 00:03:42.879 A lot of comics. 00:03:42.900 --> 00:03:45.021 How did you feel when Radiant Black joined 00:03:45.342 --> 00:03:47.824 the Energon universe with Transformers and 00:03:47.865 --> 00:03:48.025 G.I. 00:03:48.224 --> 00:03:48.525 Joe? 00:03:49.626 --> 00:03:50.507 I was all for it. 00:03:50.606 --> 00:03:51.508 I'm not going to lie. 00:03:51.647 --> 00:03:52.489 I love Transformers. 00:03:53.310 --> 00:03:54.670 I've watched a lot of G.I. 00:03:54.730 --> 00:03:54.790 Joe. 00:03:54.811 --> 00:03:56.151 I haven't really read as much G.I. 00:03:56.171 --> 00:03:57.794 Joe. 00:03:57.894 --> 00:03:58.814 I was all for it. 00:03:58.835 --> 00:03:59.134 I loved it. 00:04:00.116 --> 00:04:01.698 Are you reading Radiant Pink as well or 00:04:01.717 --> 00:04:03.598 just more of the Radiant Black? 00:04:05.158 --> 00:04:06.099 More Radiant Black. 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:07.419 Also, 00:04:09.420 --> 00:04:12.002 I think it was – I know there 00:04:12.021 --> 00:04:13.323 was another character. 00:04:13.723 --> 00:04:15.283 It's like a solar character, 00:04:15.424 --> 00:04:16.545 a fire-ish character. 00:04:16.564 --> 00:04:17.324 I forgot the name. 00:04:18.673 --> 00:04:19.553 I know who you're talking about. 00:04:19.894 --> 00:04:20.694 Off the top of my head, 00:04:20.975 --> 00:04:22.596 I can't remember it because I never got 00:04:22.735 --> 00:04:23.276 into it. 00:04:24.156 --> 00:04:25.637 But no, 00:04:26.499 --> 00:04:28.500 I did enjoy the crossovers that they've 00:04:28.540 --> 00:04:29.321 done so far. 00:04:29.901 --> 00:04:31.822 The crossover with Spawn was really cool. 00:04:32.742 --> 00:04:34.244 With Transformers was really cool. 00:04:34.303 --> 00:04:38.987 But do you remember the first character or 00:04:39.048 --> 00:04:40.889 story that you ever tried to create? 00:04:42.333 --> 00:04:44.314 Yeah, yeah, it wasn't the best, 00:04:44.374 --> 00:04:46.595 but you know, 00:04:46.615 --> 00:04:48.076 I'm gonna probably bring him back sooner 00:04:48.096 --> 00:04:48.435 or later. 00:04:48.475 --> 00:04:51.817 His name was Mega Titan, you know? 00:04:51.937 --> 00:04:55.180 Okay. 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:55.279 Yeah. 00:04:55.300 --> 00:04:57.000 Everybody's first character ends up that 00:04:57.019 --> 00:04:57.401 way, man. 00:04:57.961 --> 00:05:00.021 I don't know very many creators who've 00:05:00.682 --> 00:05:02.583 like kind of just stuck with that one. 00:05:02.642 --> 00:05:03.744 Except for maybe Zing. 00:05:04.324 --> 00:05:06.404 Zing created a character thirty-two years 00:05:06.444 --> 00:05:09.666 ago and it's still going strong today, so. 00:05:09.706 --> 00:05:11.408 Shout out to him. 00:05:15.069 --> 00:05:17.031 So you're entering the comic book industry 00:05:17.192 --> 00:05:18.735 at a very young age. 00:05:19.375 --> 00:05:21.038 Do you think starting young gives you an 00:05:21.238 --> 00:05:22.922 advantage, creativity, 00:05:23.642 --> 00:05:25.105 from a creative standpoint? 00:05:26.692 --> 00:05:28.593 Um, actually, yes. 00:05:28.673 --> 00:05:31.153 Like most definitely, you know, um, 00:05:31.274 --> 00:05:33.814 cause you're like one, I'm Tony. 00:05:34.834 --> 00:05:35.696 Yeah. 00:05:36.175 --> 00:05:36.456 Yeah. 00:05:36.495 --> 00:05:38.357 So I started this, uh, 00:05:38.396 --> 00:05:41.237 like a year or two ago and from 00:05:41.358 --> 00:05:42.559 where I was like, you know, 00:05:42.699 --> 00:05:43.798 back then when I was like a year 00:05:43.819 --> 00:05:46.779 or two, I've jumped way ahead. 00:05:46.819 --> 00:05:47.420 Like I am, 00:05:48.141 --> 00:05:49.922 I'm a lot better than I was before. 00:05:50.382 --> 00:05:50.942 So, you know, 00:05:50.961 --> 00:05:52.523 you can only get better from this, 00:05:52.543 --> 00:05:52.843 you know? 00:05:53.642 --> 00:05:53.882 Oh yeah. 00:05:54.283 --> 00:05:55.663 Especially starting that young man. 00:05:56.194 --> 00:06:01.778 yeah bro so college you know college too 00:06:02.158 --> 00:06:05.680 balancing both no no no no i work 00:06:05.701 --> 00:06:08.362 in comic books huh yeah there you go 00:06:08.382 --> 00:06:10.783 that's that's that's what that's where we 00:06:10.803 --> 00:06:12.264 at right now at least you know maybe 00:06:12.305 --> 00:06:16.127 college in the future possibly yeah yeah 00:06:16.187 --> 00:06:19.369 hey dude if this works for you man 00:06:19.389 --> 00:06:20.769 you ain't gonna worry about it right 00:06:22.322 --> 00:06:23.605 If it works, but I don't know. 00:06:23.745 --> 00:06:25.367 I feel like I just kind of want 00:06:25.387 --> 00:06:26.387 to go to college, you know, 00:06:26.648 --> 00:06:28.591 just get that kind of accomplishment. 00:06:28.610 --> 00:06:32.194 Yeah. 00:06:32.235 --> 00:06:33.956 So at what point did you did the 00:06:34.076 --> 00:06:36.019 idea go from this would be cool someday 00:06:36.060 --> 00:06:39.023 to I'm actually going to do this? 00:06:39.463 --> 00:06:39.543 Um. 00:06:40.853 --> 00:06:42.375 So my senior year in high school, 00:06:43.396 --> 00:06:44.916 it was me and my friend Michael. 00:06:45.237 --> 00:06:47.298 He actually helps me with some of the 00:06:47.338 --> 00:06:49.259 things within Skyline Comics as well. 00:06:49.540 --> 00:06:51.221 Yeah. 00:06:51.281 --> 00:06:51.540 Yeah, 00:06:51.581 --> 00:06:54.403 so we just had an idea one day. 00:06:55.324 --> 00:06:56.564 We used to meet every day in the 00:06:56.665 --> 00:06:57.105 art room. 00:06:57.144 --> 00:06:58.925 So he would do all the art and 00:06:58.946 --> 00:07:00.706 stuff. 00:07:00.786 --> 00:07:03.149 And we just kind of took it seriously. 00:07:03.509 --> 00:07:04.389 We came out with a book. 00:07:05.185 --> 00:07:06.406 That's like a homemade book. 00:07:08.086 --> 00:07:09.086 And it wasn't the best. 00:07:09.107 --> 00:07:11.108 It was like my first time writing, 00:07:11.148 --> 00:07:11.908 his first time drawing, 00:07:11.968 --> 00:07:12.528 and stuff like that. 00:07:13.028 --> 00:07:16.269 And then I just kind of held onto 00:07:16.309 --> 00:07:16.389 it. 00:07:16.468 --> 00:07:17.749 I wanted to get better at writing. 00:07:17.769 --> 00:07:19.009 So I practiced, I studied. 00:07:19.629 --> 00:07:23.391 And now we're about to get this official 00:07:23.490 --> 00:07:24.091 issue one out. 00:07:25.384 --> 00:07:26.725 It's going to be amazing. 00:07:26.745 --> 00:07:27.266 There we go. 00:07:27.586 --> 00:07:28.165 I like it, man. 00:07:28.187 --> 00:07:29.767 I like to hear when people start that 00:07:29.827 --> 00:07:31.610 young at a very young age and just 00:07:32.269 --> 00:07:33.091 stay with it. 00:07:33.730 --> 00:07:35.372 And I've talked to a lot of creators 00:07:35.432 --> 00:07:37.375 over the last couple of months, man. 00:07:38.536 --> 00:07:41.918 And that under-thirty crowd writing comic 00:07:41.939 --> 00:07:42.800 books right now is... 00:07:44.752 --> 00:07:47.814 some fire out there dude yeah we so 00:07:48.055 --> 00:07:49.576 usually i go live on like tick tock 00:07:49.596 --> 00:07:51.377 and stuff and yeah i caught you on 00:07:51.396 --> 00:07:53.338 there a couple of times yeah and a 00:07:53.538 --> 00:07:55.740 lot of people who like join the lives 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:56.841 and stuff like we have like this whole 00:07:56.860 --> 00:07:59.302 little smaller group and stuff and you 00:07:59.322 --> 00:08:01.524 know a lot of them are under um 00:08:01.543 --> 00:08:03.225 there's there's one guy actually it's two 00:08:03.245 --> 00:08:07.348 people maybe like over twenty but yeah 00:08:07.767 --> 00:08:09.288 dude i love to see it man it 00:08:09.889 --> 00:08:10.009 it 00:08:11.389 --> 00:08:14.211 I've learned that the future is bright for 00:08:14.232 --> 00:08:16.934 indie comics, and I'm here for it, dude. 00:08:17.434 --> 00:08:18.415 I want to be here for it as 00:08:18.454 --> 00:08:20.757 long as I can because there's still a 00:08:20.776 --> 00:08:22.119 lot of you out there that I have 00:08:22.139 --> 00:08:22.899 yet to talk to, 00:08:22.939 --> 00:08:24.199 and I want to talk to as many 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:26.002 of you as I can, man. 00:08:27.362 --> 00:08:29.845 So if someone told you five years ago 00:08:30.865 --> 00:08:32.707 that you would be building your own comic 00:08:32.788 --> 00:08:33.769 universe today, 00:08:33.808 --> 00:08:35.070 would you have believed them? 00:08:37.246 --> 00:08:37.826 Probably not. 00:08:38.106 --> 00:08:40.369 I'm not going to lie. 00:08:40.428 --> 00:08:41.509 Probably not. 00:08:41.548 --> 00:08:42.269 Five years ago, 00:08:42.370 --> 00:08:44.410 I was trying to get your permit. 00:08:45.350 --> 00:08:46.191 Yeah, actually. 00:08:46.230 --> 00:08:46.772 Yeah. 00:08:48.413 --> 00:08:49.173 You know, five years ago, 00:08:49.192 --> 00:08:50.634 I think I think I was still like 00:08:50.913 --> 00:08:52.414 hard on basketball and stuff like that. 00:08:54.995 --> 00:08:56.255 It was only to like two, 00:08:56.596 --> 00:08:57.136 three years ago. 00:08:57.256 --> 00:08:57.996 I figured out, yeah, 00:08:58.017 --> 00:08:59.197 I'm going to be an artist. 00:08:59.357 --> 00:09:01.359 I'm going to be a writer, you know. 00:09:03.831 --> 00:09:05.191 Dude, there we go. 00:09:05.211 --> 00:09:05.912 Five years ago, 00:09:06.272 --> 00:09:07.751 waiting for the permit and here we are 00:09:07.792 --> 00:09:08.111 today. 00:09:08.491 --> 00:09:08.851 Yeah. 00:09:08.913 --> 00:09:10.153 Hopefully you got your permit and your 00:09:10.192 --> 00:09:11.393 license and you're good to go. 00:09:11.812 --> 00:09:14.394 Oh yeah, it was definitely, no. 00:09:14.833 --> 00:09:16.414 But for people tonight, 00:09:16.575 --> 00:09:18.534 just hearing about Skyline Comics, 00:09:18.695 --> 00:09:20.775 what is the Skyline universe? 00:09:21.596 --> 00:09:24.917 So Skyline universe is, again, 00:09:25.096 --> 00:09:26.518 is a universe that I've created. 00:09:27.238 --> 00:09:28.097 Me and my friend, Michael, 00:09:28.238 --> 00:09:29.538 we've created Skyline universe. 00:09:29.658 --> 00:09:30.239 It is... 00:09:31.097 --> 00:09:34.524 mainly somewhat real i'm not gonna say too 00:09:34.583 --> 00:09:37.269 realistic but it's not the average marvel 00:09:37.830 --> 00:09:39.734 not the average dc it is 00:09:40.839 --> 00:09:43.799 It is more of a personal stories that 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:45.841 goes into Skyline Universe, 00:09:46.640 --> 00:09:48.120 especially with this first book coming 00:09:48.181 --> 00:09:48.961 out, Outline Issue One, 00:09:49.001 --> 00:09:52.462 it's a lot of personal and just real 00:09:52.482 --> 00:09:55.163 life stories that I've been involved with 00:09:55.203 --> 00:09:57.945 and have heard and it's put into Outline 00:09:57.985 --> 00:09:58.404 Issue One. 00:09:58.924 --> 00:10:01.326 So that is going to be the start 00:10:01.946 --> 00:10:04.447 and the flagship of the Skyline Universe 00:10:04.466 --> 00:10:05.027 going forward. 00:10:06.820 --> 00:10:06.960 Dude, 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:09.062 I like when stories are kind of held 00:10:09.621 --> 00:10:11.243 a little bit closer to the real world. 00:10:11.602 --> 00:10:13.443 The powers and stuff like that may not 00:10:13.504 --> 00:10:14.865 be related to the real world, 00:10:14.904 --> 00:10:17.006 but when the character is very deeply 00:10:17.067 --> 00:10:20.808 grounded into today and into the world, 00:10:21.590 --> 00:10:22.850 and they're not just like this 00:10:23.191 --> 00:10:27.254 over-the-top superhero, you know? 00:10:27.953 --> 00:10:28.355 Right. 00:10:28.375 --> 00:10:28.414 So, 00:10:28.434 --> 00:10:29.916 will Skyline Universe be shared with 00:10:29.975 --> 00:10:30.975 multiple characters, 00:10:31.135 --> 00:10:33.437 and will all their stories connect in some 00:10:33.477 --> 00:10:35.259 kind of way? 00:10:35.339 --> 00:10:35.538 So... 00:10:37.071 --> 00:10:39.432 Yes, though the entire universe is, 00:10:39.673 --> 00:10:41.355 it's still in, it's in the same world, 00:10:41.375 --> 00:10:42.275 you know, same universe, 00:10:42.676 --> 00:10:46.538 but you don't have to read like certain 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:49.081 books to get caught up, you know? 00:10:49.101 --> 00:10:51.464 So once one series ends, 00:10:51.563 --> 00:10:52.804 once the Outline series ends, 00:10:53.205 --> 00:10:54.927 then it's going to be another series that, 00:10:55.167 --> 00:10:55.386 you know, 00:10:55.407 --> 00:10:57.129 it's kind of involved with the Skyline 00:10:57.168 --> 00:10:58.789 series, but from that standpoint, 00:10:58.809 --> 00:11:01.231 so you can read any series, you know, 00:11:01.292 --> 00:11:01.893 in any order. 00:11:02.493 --> 00:11:05.577 And it will go to the end of 00:11:06.099 --> 00:11:07.179 the other series. 00:11:07.740 --> 00:11:08.142 Oh, okay. 00:11:08.241 --> 00:11:08.883 That's really cool. 00:11:09.244 --> 00:11:12.107 So once the outline story ends, 00:11:12.629 --> 00:11:13.951 the next character begins, 00:11:14.150 --> 00:11:15.894 it will be the same story just from 00:11:15.933 --> 00:11:17.735 the other character's perspective? 00:11:17.775 --> 00:11:17.897 Yep. 00:11:18.649 --> 00:11:20.529 Dude, that's a dope idea, actually. 00:11:20.549 --> 00:11:21.330 I kind of like that. 00:11:22.289 --> 00:11:22.450 Yeah. 00:11:22.509 --> 00:11:24.130 And since they're not running concurrently 00:11:24.171 --> 00:11:26.030 at the same time, that's even better, man. 00:11:26.091 --> 00:11:27.131 That's really cool. 00:11:29.351 --> 00:11:32.773 With Outline, once that series ends, 00:11:32.893 --> 00:11:35.014 the next character is the Green Phantom. 00:11:35.953 --> 00:11:37.794 The Green Phantom is in the Outline 00:11:37.815 --> 00:11:40.816 series, but once he has his own series, 00:11:41.355 --> 00:11:42.936 it's going to be completely different 00:11:43.056 --> 00:11:46.677 except for how he gets to that part 00:11:46.937 --> 00:11:47.857 of the Outline series. 00:11:50.056 --> 00:11:51.535 okay yeah dude i like that i i 00:11:51.576 --> 00:11:53.996 really do so when you started designing 00:11:54.037 --> 00:11:56.357 this universe what kind of came first for 00:11:56.398 --> 00:11:58.359 you was it like the world itself or 00:11:58.418 --> 00:12:00.919 like did you create the character and then 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:05.741 the world uh i would say the character 00:12:05.761 --> 00:12:07.383 first because like we went through a 00:12:07.423 --> 00:12:09.143 couple of different stories so we had to 00:12:09.163 --> 00:12:10.984 change the world up a little bit but 00:12:11.004 --> 00:12:13.424 the character primarily stayed the same 00:12:13.445 --> 00:12:13.825 you know okay 00:12:17.580 --> 00:12:19.941 So if you could describe the tone of 00:12:20.020 --> 00:12:24.504 Skyline, is it a dark, heroic sci-fi? 00:12:24.724 --> 00:12:26.524 I know you said it was grounded, 00:12:27.245 --> 00:12:30.407 but within that grounded universe, 00:12:30.447 --> 00:12:31.727 what kind of vibe does it have? 00:12:31.788 --> 00:12:32.467 You know what I'm saying? 00:12:34.740 --> 00:12:35.181 Well, 00:12:35.321 --> 00:12:37.381 I guess it depends on which character 00:12:37.402 --> 00:12:39.302 you're reading, but I would say for, 00:12:39.341 --> 00:12:40.383 you know, for Outline, 00:12:41.562 --> 00:12:42.984 it's a pretty dark story. 00:12:43.144 --> 00:12:43.783 I'm not gonna lie. 00:12:43.823 --> 00:12:44.524 Okay. 00:12:44.604 --> 00:12:45.784 It's dark, grounded. 00:12:46.904 --> 00:12:48.705 There is a lot of powers and, 00:12:48.865 --> 00:12:50.206 you know, like, 00:12:51.297 --> 00:12:53.577 like i would say i would say uh 00:12:53.677 --> 00:12:57.457 street level powers at least but okay yeah 00:12:57.538 --> 00:12:59.379 it's it's a pretty it's a pretty dark 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:02.159 story we're in that daredevil punisher 00:13:02.220 --> 00:13:05.360 type of world then yeah hard hard 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:13.221 inspiration off of a punisher okay um i 00:13:13.261 --> 00:13:15.562 like those types of stories to be fair 00:13:16.703 --> 00:13:18.325 So your character Outline now, 00:13:19.785 --> 00:13:21.606 he's going to be like the central figure 00:13:21.706 --> 00:13:22.488 in this universe. 00:13:22.508 --> 00:13:24.188 So who is Outline? 00:13:25.190 --> 00:13:28.631 So Outline is a twenty-year-old college 00:13:28.692 --> 00:13:29.251 dropout. 00:13:30.092 --> 00:13:35.456 And at first it was supposed to be 00:13:35.576 --> 00:13:37.037 a character that represents me. 00:13:37.417 --> 00:13:40.438 But I kind of switched things around and 00:13:40.458 --> 00:13:42.019 now it's a character that represents 00:13:42.520 --> 00:13:44.261 everyone that I actually know. 00:13:45.379 --> 00:13:48.600 and um i put a lot into outline 00:13:48.801 --> 00:13:52.062 so you know outline he has to he 00:13:52.201 --> 00:13:55.123 ends up finding a job working for the 00:13:55.224 --> 00:13:57.585 biggest criminal in the world right but 00:13:57.884 --> 00:13:59.826 the world doesn't know that he's the 00:13:59.846 --> 00:14:02.187 criminal nobody knows that you know he's a 00:14:02.447 --> 00:14:05.227 huge mafia boss and stuff and i like 00:14:05.248 --> 00:14:06.928 to give an example as in like 00:14:07.528 --> 00:14:08.208 Let's say Mr. 00:14:08.269 --> 00:14:10.730 Beast gave you a million dollars in your 00:14:10.770 --> 00:14:11.110 hands. 00:14:11.730 --> 00:14:14.192 And Johnny from across the street say, 00:14:14.232 --> 00:14:16.254 hey, Mr. Beast stole that money. 00:14:16.573 --> 00:14:17.494 Nobody would believe him. 00:14:17.933 --> 00:14:19.674 And that's the situation that my character 00:14:19.774 --> 00:14:21.355 outline is actually in currently. 00:14:23.116 --> 00:14:24.278 Well, we're referencing Mr. 00:14:24.317 --> 00:14:25.979 Beast now as the villain. 00:14:26.379 --> 00:14:27.759 I knew it. 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:29.019 I fucking knew it. 00:14:29.139 --> 00:14:30.980 Nobody has that much money just to give 00:14:31.041 --> 00:14:31.341 away. 00:14:31.361 --> 00:14:32.841 Hey, whatever you're doing, Jimmy, 00:14:33.022 --> 00:14:33.702 you better stop. 00:14:33.722 --> 00:14:34.783 They catching up to you, bro. 00:14:37.432 --> 00:14:39.394 He uses it as a tax write-off, 00:14:39.434 --> 00:14:40.936 but the person winning that money is 00:14:40.956 --> 00:14:43.839 getting the shit out of that money. 00:14:44.318 --> 00:14:46.541 It might be. 00:14:46.701 --> 00:14:47.302 They really are. 00:14:47.341 --> 00:14:49.143 You can't just win something and not have 00:14:49.163 --> 00:14:50.745 it taxed. 00:14:50.764 --> 00:14:52.645 If you win a car, it's getting taxed. 00:14:54.126 --> 00:14:55.788 If you win money, it's getting taxed. 00:14:55.808 --> 00:14:58.730 You win the lottery, the city, the state, 00:14:58.831 --> 00:14:59.751 the federal government, 00:15:00.052 --> 00:15:01.653 everybody is getting their cut of that. 00:15:03.100 --> 00:15:04.780 Then again, Mr. Beast like to give like, 00:15:04.961 --> 00:15:05.500 you know, Mr. 00:15:05.520 --> 00:15:06.942 Beast wrapped cars and stuff. 00:15:07.501 --> 00:15:08.202 I don't think I would. 00:15:08.283 --> 00:15:10.703 No, for him, it's a tax write-off. 00:15:11.144 --> 00:15:11.604 Yeah. 00:15:11.625 --> 00:15:13.024 But he can get that money back or 00:15:13.065 --> 00:15:14.826 some of that money back recouped at the 00:15:14.946 --> 00:15:15.606 end of the year. 00:15:15.626 --> 00:15:16.506 Dang. 00:15:16.567 --> 00:15:18.648 But that person is paying taxes on that 00:15:18.668 --> 00:15:20.448 vehicle, which is wild to think about. 00:15:20.469 --> 00:15:20.568 Dang. 00:15:20.589 --> 00:15:22.610 Okay. 00:15:25.998 --> 00:15:27.359 well hey i wouldn't want to ride around 00:15:27.399 --> 00:15:29.740 in a mr beast wrapped car anyway you 00:15:29.780 --> 00:15:31.743 know he's not that not that cute of 00:15:31.763 --> 00:15:39.207 a mug is he so what inspired the 00:15:39.248 --> 00:15:41.210 design and the concept of this character 00:15:41.230 --> 00:15:42.791 because he is such a dope looking 00:15:42.811 --> 00:15:46.653 character man appreciate it man um we fool 00:15:46.714 --> 00:15:47.595 boy we went through 00:15:48.851 --> 00:15:51.773 every design imaginable you know like he 00:15:51.832 --> 00:15:54.553 had him wearing regular regular clothes at 00:15:54.673 --> 00:15:59.676 one point you know but um so at 00:15:59.716 --> 00:16:01.076 first we was going to make him a 00:16:01.096 --> 00:16:05.038 uh like a glowing skeleton kind of guy 00:16:05.437 --> 00:16:07.578 and then you know i don't know what's 00:16:07.599 --> 00:16:10.000 been kind of used up by yeah now 00:16:10.299 --> 00:16:12.961 yeah the the the main person we uh 00:16:13.481 --> 00:16:15.162 who kind of made us switch our main 00:16:15.201 --> 00:16:16.322 character i kind of made it which was 00:16:16.383 --> 00:16:16.783 geiger 00:16:17.562 --> 00:16:19.624 and then i've seen that's my dude right 00:16:19.644 --> 00:16:21.884 there man i love some geiger i like 00:16:21.903 --> 00:16:25.384 him i like him now but like yeah 00:16:25.424 --> 00:16:28.025 the initial two ago yeah that initial 00:16:28.046 --> 00:16:31.287 geiger run yeah yeah nah but he's come 00:16:31.326 --> 00:16:33.707 a long way man yeah most definitely and 00:16:33.768 --> 00:16:35.888 like like i kind of like made myself 00:16:35.988 --> 00:16:37.509 not like him because like i thought i 00:16:37.548 --> 00:16:39.109 was you know being unique with the 00:16:39.288 --> 00:16:41.690 character design and stuff and then geiger 00:16:41.710 --> 00:16:43.289 is like damn but you know who geiger 00:16:43.309 --> 00:16:45.490 is based off of right uh not at 00:16:45.530 --> 00:16:45.610 all 00:16:46.653 --> 00:16:47.693 Dr. Phosphorus. 00:16:48.053 --> 00:16:48.894 Oh, yeah, yeah. 00:16:48.955 --> 00:16:49.715 Creature Commandos. 00:16:49.735 --> 00:16:49.875 Yeah. 00:16:49.894 --> 00:16:52.677 And you know the reason why, 00:16:52.918 --> 00:16:54.818 the whole reason the Geiger universe 00:16:54.859 --> 00:16:56.780 exists is because all those writers used 00:16:56.821 --> 00:16:58.042 to write for DC. 00:16:58.142 --> 00:16:59.221 Mm-hmm. 00:16:59.403 --> 00:17:04.165 And Dr. Phosphorus, Geiger, that, 00:17:04.306 --> 00:17:04.926 the character, 00:17:05.207 --> 00:17:06.748 the stories that are being told in Geiger 00:17:06.768 --> 00:17:08.769 are some that were pitched to DC for 00:17:08.809 --> 00:17:10.111 those characters. 00:17:10.490 --> 00:17:10.651 Mm-hmm. 00:17:11.505 --> 00:17:12.507 But I like it better now, 00:17:12.547 --> 00:17:13.067 to be fair. 00:17:13.127 --> 00:17:14.750 I'm a huge Ghost Machine fan. 00:17:15.792 --> 00:17:17.576 They have not put out a bad title. 00:17:18.512 --> 00:17:19.453 I know a lot of people are like, 00:17:19.534 --> 00:17:19.834 oh, well, 00:17:19.854 --> 00:17:21.315 the Rocket Fillers aren't that good. 00:17:21.355 --> 00:17:21.695 I'm like, 00:17:22.296 --> 00:17:24.077 are you reading the Rocket Fillers? 00:17:25.178 --> 00:17:26.539 Because that shit is good. 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:28.080 I don't know. 00:17:28.201 --> 00:17:29.882 A lot of books and movies that people 00:17:30.303 --> 00:17:32.805 say that they don't like, 00:17:33.085 --> 00:17:34.586 I don't really see the problem in it. 00:17:34.605 --> 00:17:36.247 Dude, I'm with you. 00:17:36.788 --> 00:17:39.190 A big movie, and it might, 00:17:39.210 --> 00:17:39.529 I don't know, 00:17:39.549 --> 00:17:40.711 this might be a little controversial, 00:17:40.951 --> 00:17:43.712 but a big movie that people don't like 00:17:43.913 --> 00:17:45.295 was The Eternals. 00:17:46.855 --> 00:17:47.676 So I'm a fan. 00:17:48.217 --> 00:17:49.659 i i'm i'm a fan of it yeah 00:17:49.679 --> 00:17:53.423 like i love that movie but nobody likes 00:17:53.463 --> 00:17:56.127 it so i guess i liked it because 00:17:56.208 --> 00:17:59.271 it was outside of the normal marvel scope 00:17:59.311 --> 00:18:00.594 that they were trying to do 00:18:02.510 --> 00:18:04.271 It was a different side that they weren't 00:18:04.432 --> 00:18:04.952 used to. 00:18:05.432 --> 00:18:07.674 And just like when Star Wars tries to 00:18:07.694 --> 00:18:08.596 do something different, 00:18:09.455 --> 00:18:10.836 everybody's going to shit on it. 00:18:11.698 --> 00:18:13.058 They're trying to do something different, 00:18:13.118 --> 00:18:14.460 but it's still Star Wars at the end 00:18:14.500 --> 00:18:14.980 of the day. 00:18:15.421 --> 00:18:16.481 You still got the Force. 00:18:16.501 --> 00:18:17.722 You still got lightsabers. 00:18:17.742 --> 00:18:18.784 You still got the Sith. 00:18:18.844 --> 00:18:20.525 You still got the Jedi. 00:18:21.705 --> 00:18:24.808 Why are you shitting on it? 00:18:24.868 --> 00:18:25.990 Different figures, different formats. 00:18:26.009 --> 00:18:26.150 Yeah. 00:18:28.077 --> 00:18:29.939 But nobody really likes, well, 00:18:29.959 --> 00:18:30.559 I'm not saying nobody, 00:18:30.579 --> 00:18:33.080 but a lot of people who are involved 00:18:33.121 --> 00:18:34.121 with the MCU and stuff like that, 00:18:34.141 --> 00:18:34.741 they don't like different, 00:18:34.761 --> 00:18:36.301 like a big difference. 00:18:37.942 --> 00:18:38.103 Well, 00:18:38.123 --> 00:18:40.364 they want their central character of the 00:18:40.423 --> 00:18:43.945 Avengers or the Avengers spinoffs of 00:18:43.965 --> 00:18:44.306 those. 00:18:44.346 --> 00:18:45.807 And I'm just like, 00:18:46.426 --> 00:18:48.248 I don't care for them. 00:18:48.268 --> 00:18:49.548 I don't even read Marvel that much. 00:18:50.689 --> 00:18:53.329 I feel like that's why they made RDJ 00:18:53.371 --> 00:18:53.990 Doctor Doom. 00:18:54.690 --> 00:18:57.990 because people can't let go of RDJ. 00:18:59.651 --> 00:19:00.351 I don't know, dude. 00:19:00.411 --> 00:19:01.791 I'm a big fan of RDJ. 00:19:01.852 --> 00:19:03.352 I thought he was a perfect person for 00:19:03.571 --> 00:19:04.132 Iron Man. 00:19:04.692 --> 00:19:05.972 But at the end of the day, 00:19:06.472 --> 00:19:10.794 I want a gritty, just no-fuss-giving Dr. 00:19:10.854 --> 00:19:11.193 Doom. 00:19:12.374 --> 00:19:13.773 Except for when it comes to his niece, 00:19:13.794 --> 00:19:15.234 because the man loves his niece. 00:19:16.134 --> 00:19:18.295 Y'all should have made me Dr. Doom. 00:19:18.315 --> 00:19:20.296 MCU, I got you. 00:19:20.316 --> 00:19:20.655 Trust me. 00:19:25.221 --> 00:19:26.064 Hey, let's do it, man. 00:19:26.104 --> 00:19:26.885 I'm here for it. 00:19:27.307 --> 00:19:28.650 Yeah. 00:19:28.710 --> 00:19:30.433 So without spoiling too much, man, 00:19:30.473 --> 00:19:32.659 what makes Outline unique as a hero? 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:37.481 I'll say a couple of things, right? 00:19:37.682 --> 00:19:41.045 So first is power, right? 00:19:41.805 --> 00:19:45.928 I spent months figuring out this stuff. 00:19:46.048 --> 00:19:47.469 I always knew it was going to be 00:19:47.608 --> 00:19:48.490 teleportation. 00:19:48.950 --> 00:19:50.431 But I didn't want it to be like, 00:19:50.830 --> 00:19:52.833 go through a portal, you do that, 00:19:52.873 --> 00:19:53.813 that kind of teleportation. 00:19:54.233 --> 00:19:56.394 So he teleports through light. 00:19:56.915 --> 00:19:58.317 And he has photokinesis, 00:19:58.636 --> 00:20:00.617 or light manipulation, stuff like that. 00:20:01.298 --> 00:20:03.880 And he just uses it and deals with 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:04.500 it differently. 00:20:05.365 --> 00:20:08.711 Um, another big thing is the perspective, 00:20:08.972 --> 00:20:10.876 you know, he, he, 00:20:11.257 --> 00:20:13.201 and in some people's eyes, you, 00:20:13.361 --> 00:20:15.184 people can see outline as, you know, 00:20:16.172 --> 00:20:19.954 being a bad person at first, you know? 00:20:19.974 --> 00:20:20.595 Yeah. 00:20:20.855 --> 00:20:21.655 And, like, 00:20:22.217 --> 00:20:24.238 I can't really explain too much into that, 00:20:24.317 --> 00:20:24.698 but, like, 00:20:24.738 --> 00:20:26.839 a lot of people would possibly see Outline 00:20:27.019 --> 00:20:28.201 as a bad person. 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:31.323 People who proofread my stuff gave me 00:20:31.383 --> 00:20:33.904 advice and thought Outline was a villain 00:20:34.305 --> 00:20:35.226 at first, but no, 00:20:35.246 --> 00:20:37.007 it's not like that at all. 00:20:37.027 --> 00:20:38.469 I mean, there's a lot of, like, 00:20:38.509 --> 00:20:39.449 good guy characters, 00:20:39.469 --> 00:20:40.849 a lot of heroes out there who, 00:20:40.930 --> 00:20:43.132 in the beginning, were perceived as bad. 00:20:43.592 --> 00:20:44.373 Yeah. 00:20:44.413 --> 00:20:45.634 But, you know, it's... 00:20:46.974 --> 00:20:48.135 I would say with Outline, 00:20:48.416 --> 00:20:51.539 he's been good since the beginning, 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:55.343 but has some hard choices in life. 00:20:55.963 --> 00:20:58.445 Yeah. 00:20:58.987 --> 00:20:59.988 And just me. 00:21:00.107 --> 00:21:01.429 I'm writing it, you know? 00:21:01.890 --> 00:21:03.111 Uh-huh. 00:21:03.171 --> 00:21:03.351 No, 00:21:03.611 --> 00:21:05.432 I would say that's a big difference from 00:21:05.613 --> 00:21:07.835 a lot of other artists, 00:21:07.934 --> 00:21:09.436 or a lot of other writers as well. 00:21:09.457 --> 00:21:09.576 Uh-huh. 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:13.421 So great comic characters usually 00:21:13.520 --> 00:21:16.143 represent an idea. 00:21:17.323 --> 00:21:21.085 What idea does Outline represent from the 00:21:21.125 --> 00:21:23.567 theme in the comic? 00:21:23.606 --> 00:21:28.750 I would say money isn't everything, 00:21:28.769 --> 00:21:29.650 you know? 00:21:31.040 --> 00:21:34.624 Coming off of dropping out of college, 00:21:35.404 --> 00:21:36.566 money is tight. 00:21:36.605 --> 00:21:37.166 Money is hard. 00:21:37.666 --> 00:21:40.750 So he tries to find any job possible, 00:21:41.009 --> 00:21:47.536 which leads him to working for a criminal. 00:21:47.875 --> 00:21:50.038 So I feel like in the world, 00:21:50.218 --> 00:21:52.559 the love of money is a really, 00:21:53.040 --> 00:21:54.041 really big thing. 00:21:54.642 --> 00:21:57.164 And it's not everything at the end of 00:21:57.184 --> 00:21:57.444 the day. 00:21:58.471 --> 00:22:02.333 Um, also, um, it, it, 00:22:02.353 --> 00:22:03.753 it also has a lot to do with, 00:22:03.773 --> 00:22:05.674 uh, you know, my, 00:22:05.795 --> 00:22:07.636 my religion at the end of the day, 00:22:07.817 --> 00:22:08.896 I add some, you know, 00:22:09.076 --> 00:22:12.358 Bible verses and stuff to, you know, 00:22:12.398 --> 00:22:13.980 my character, my character's book, 00:22:14.140 --> 00:22:15.141 even the first page. 00:22:15.540 --> 00:22:18.643 Um, you know, it, it has a little, 00:22:18.663 --> 00:22:19.864 it has a little Bible reference. 00:22:19.884 --> 00:22:21.325 So, you know, a lot of, 00:22:21.664 --> 00:22:24.666 a lot of religious and just real world 00:22:25.346 --> 00:22:25.926 stuff like that. 00:22:25.946 --> 00:22:26.067 Mm-hmm. 00:22:28.057 --> 00:22:31.019 So every hero is defined by their 00:22:31.118 --> 00:22:31.818 challenges. 00:22:31.878 --> 00:22:35.201 What kind of threats or villains currently 00:22:35.300 --> 00:22:36.780 exist within Skyline? 00:22:38.001 --> 00:22:40.942 The very first villain, no powers. 00:22:41.702 --> 00:22:43.584 He's an old guy, 00:22:43.644 --> 00:22:46.065 but he has as much power as... 00:22:48.047 --> 00:22:49.928 The President of the United States, 00:22:50.067 --> 00:22:52.470 you know, like he like, like, 00:22:53.730 --> 00:22:55.771 he controls a lot within Houston. 00:22:56.612 --> 00:22:58.413 And, you know, at some point, 00:22:59.032 --> 00:22:59.814 outline has to 00:23:02.102 --> 00:23:05.363 Outlaw will have to basically hide from a 00:23:05.522 --> 00:23:07.384 lot that happens within Houston. 00:23:08.923 --> 00:23:10.005 We have another character. 00:23:10.045 --> 00:23:11.164 His name is Madblood. 00:23:11.644 --> 00:23:14.465 Madblood is a character that I've created 00:23:14.486 --> 00:23:16.987 for a long time since I started writing. 00:23:19.001 --> 00:23:21.403 I would say his power is, you know, 00:23:21.903 --> 00:23:23.263 he regenerates and stuff like that, 00:23:23.344 --> 00:23:25.444 but if he touches, 00:23:25.825 --> 00:23:27.925 or if his blood gets on you in 00:23:28.046 --> 00:23:29.227 any way, shape, or form, 00:23:29.787 --> 00:23:31.047 you would go as crazy. 00:23:31.688 --> 00:23:32.627 You know, so think of, like, 00:23:33.669 --> 00:23:37.089 if he had, like, the scarecrow toxin, 00:23:37.109 --> 00:23:38.191 the fear toxin, you know? 00:23:38.211 --> 00:23:40.912 Okay, yeah, yeah. 00:23:40.932 --> 00:23:41.872 Oh, that's actually kind of cool. 00:23:41.892 --> 00:23:44.333 I like that. 00:23:44.393 --> 00:23:47.015 I like that one a lot, actually. 00:23:47.055 --> 00:23:47.255 So... 00:23:48.612 --> 00:23:51.714 Let's talk about building Skyline Comets a 00:23:51.734 --> 00:23:52.134 little bit. 00:23:52.174 --> 00:23:55.337 So you've started this, you know, 00:23:55.357 --> 00:23:57.660 your own comet studio from the ground up, 00:23:57.700 --> 00:23:58.201 basically. 00:23:58.260 --> 00:24:01.243 What made you decide to build Skyline 00:24:01.284 --> 00:24:03.125 Comets instead of just creating it like a 00:24:03.204 --> 00:24:05.126 single book or a one shot to kind 00:24:05.146 --> 00:24:08.851 of like test the waters? 00:24:08.871 --> 00:24:10.231 So we wrote. 00:24:10.992 --> 00:24:13.114 So, OK, so I wrote the first issue. 00:24:14.082 --> 00:24:16.522 And I realized how many characters 00:24:16.623 --> 00:24:18.963 actually had potential to have their own 00:24:19.044 --> 00:24:19.463 story. 00:24:20.125 --> 00:24:21.484 Because I come up with backgrounds. 00:24:21.744 --> 00:24:23.766 I come up with origin stories for all 00:24:23.786 --> 00:24:24.306 my characters. 00:24:24.905 --> 00:24:27.426 And I felt like they were just so 00:24:27.548 --> 00:24:31.148 good and deep as well to the point 00:24:31.189 --> 00:24:33.869 where they could have their own story. 00:24:33.890 --> 00:24:36.171 So then we started, hey, 00:24:36.191 --> 00:24:37.371 we're going to build a universe here. 00:24:37.431 --> 00:24:38.592 OK. 00:24:40.765 --> 00:24:42.566 So what have you learned while making 00:24:42.625 --> 00:24:45.287 comments that has kind of like surprised 00:24:45.326 --> 00:24:48.628 you the most? 00:24:48.749 --> 00:24:50.849 I would say what surprised me the most 00:24:52.824 --> 00:24:56.026 Um, no idea is your own idea. 00:24:56.566 --> 00:25:00.888 Like, you know, I'm over here writing. 00:25:00.909 --> 00:25:02.609 I'm thinking, oh, yeah, I'm cooking. 00:25:02.690 --> 00:25:03.089 I'm doing. 00:25:03.590 --> 00:25:04.230 Yeah. 00:25:04.290 --> 00:25:05.692 Nobody ever thought about this. 00:25:05.912 --> 00:25:06.972 And then I go to YouTube, 00:25:07.613 --> 00:25:08.894 fourteen videos on it. 00:25:08.973 --> 00:25:09.513 I'm like, damn. 00:25:09.614 --> 00:25:11.194 OK, so. 00:25:11.256 --> 00:25:12.496 Yeah. 00:25:12.556 --> 00:25:12.635 Yeah. 00:25:12.655 --> 00:25:14.217 And I feel like everything is taken. 00:25:14.377 --> 00:25:15.097 But the way you know, 00:25:15.117 --> 00:25:17.098 there's no more original ideas within the 00:25:17.138 --> 00:25:17.740 comic world. 00:25:18.819 --> 00:25:20.681 it's just taking what you want and making 00:25:20.741 --> 00:25:22.462 it yours and doing it your way right 00:25:23.282 --> 00:25:24.304 at the end of the day that's all 00:25:24.324 --> 00:25:27.105 you can do because i can guarantee you 00:25:27.806 --> 00:25:30.547 there's an obscure x-men or obscure 00:25:30.747 --> 00:25:32.729 villain out there from the x-men universe 00:25:32.808 --> 00:25:35.809 or something that has something related to 00:25:35.849 --> 00:25:38.491 what you want to do right all right 00:25:38.531 --> 00:25:41.013 so yeah that dude that's a yeah that's 00:25:41.074 --> 00:25:41.513 a good one 00:25:43.165 --> 00:25:45.467 you've been using like you're heavily 00:25:45.527 --> 00:25:48.068 involved on social media from tick tock to 00:25:48.189 --> 00:25:51.650 instagram and youtube discussing your 00:25:51.730 --> 00:25:53.790 universe which is pretty huge that's i 00:25:53.810 --> 00:25:56.113 mean from a marketing perspective and 00:25:56.173 --> 00:26:00.015 getting that following early is a big deal 00:26:00.654 --> 00:26:02.615 how has social media and you you've come 00:26:02.695 --> 00:26:04.876 up in the social media world you're that 00:26:05.037 --> 00:26:08.338 age where you've never not had social 00:26:08.358 --> 00:26:10.140 media whereas guys my age 00:26:11.115 --> 00:26:12.496 hell we didn't even have internet growing 00:26:12.576 --> 00:26:15.778 up you know for us it's like it's 00:26:15.837 --> 00:26:18.199 one of those where we we we grew 00:26:18.338 --> 00:26:21.019 up with and this stuff was coming to 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:22.941 us and we were having to be some 00:26:22.961 --> 00:26:24.021 of the first ones to learn how to 00:26:24.142 --> 00:26:26.103 use the internet and getting social media 00:26:26.182 --> 00:26:28.084 and just kind of figuring it out but 00:26:28.144 --> 00:26:31.145 you did you were born and like boom 00:26:31.185 --> 00:26:32.405 everything's like right there at your 00:26:32.465 --> 00:26:35.307 fingertips so how has that kind of 00:26:37.041 --> 00:26:39.182 been for you to help launch this product 00:26:39.644 --> 00:26:41.865 or launch skyline comics and to build that 00:26:41.904 --> 00:26:47.508 hype and everything for that um honestly i 00:26:47.528 --> 00:26:49.950 would say you know promoting coming up 00:26:49.970 --> 00:26:52.990 with videos and stuff might be harder than 00:26:53.050 --> 00:26:57.334 making the book dude no shit no kid 00:26:57.374 --> 00:26:58.934 is there it's a problem yeah 00:27:00.724 --> 00:27:01.365 And honestly, 00:27:02.686 --> 00:27:04.147 you're not the first and you're never 00:27:04.167 --> 00:27:05.588 going to be the last person to say 00:27:05.608 --> 00:27:08.171 that marketing is the hardest thing you 00:27:08.191 --> 00:27:08.891 will ever do. 00:27:09.511 --> 00:27:11.192 Because you have to keep up with all 00:27:11.212 --> 00:27:11.834 the trends. 00:27:11.854 --> 00:27:13.454 You have to keep up with how the 00:27:13.954 --> 00:27:15.256 algorithm is behaving. 00:27:16.017 --> 00:27:16.576 And oh, by the way, 00:27:16.696 --> 00:27:19.259 nobody tells you how the algorithm is 00:27:19.318 --> 00:27:20.240 behaving that day. 00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:21.621 You know, 00:27:21.661 --> 00:27:23.241 you got to just make a video and 00:27:23.442 --> 00:27:25.644 just pray that it does good, you know. 00:27:26.900 --> 00:27:27.519 I would like, 00:27:28.161 --> 00:27:29.580 so I edit my own videos and stuff. 00:27:29.881 --> 00:27:31.101 So I would like sit, 00:27:31.141 --> 00:27:33.061 edit for like maybe an hour, post it, 00:27:33.342 --> 00:27:33.922 two likes. 00:27:34.001 --> 00:27:36.923 I'm like, bro, like where everybody at? 00:27:37.042 --> 00:27:37.863 No, and dude, 00:27:37.883 --> 00:27:39.903 that's the nature of the beast, man. 00:27:39.983 --> 00:27:44.744 I mean, I've got, let me see. 00:27:44.785 --> 00:27:46.586 Let me see here what I've done. 00:27:47.326 --> 00:27:48.185 What's my damage? 00:27:49.287 --> 00:27:52.468 I have five hundred and seventy seven 00:27:52.508 --> 00:27:53.827 videos posted. 00:27:54.617 --> 00:28:00.303 youtube right now and like some of the 00:28:01.083 --> 00:28:04.625 bigger ones they will get like fifty sixty 00:28:04.665 --> 00:28:07.729 likes and maybe you know two three four 00:28:07.749 --> 00:28:11.431 thousand views but that's a combination of 00:28:12.531 --> 00:28:15.835 shorts long form the whole the whole nine 00:28:15.855 --> 00:28:17.155 yeah 00:28:17.664 --> 00:28:20.428 I try to keep up with the trends, 00:28:20.667 --> 00:28:22.369 like the whole thumbnail trends that are 00:28:22.410 --> 00:28:23.490 going on right now. 00:28:24.772 --> 00:28:28.977 I literally have to do a weekly breakdown 00:28:29.436 --> 00:28:32.119 on Sunday or whatever day I don't have 00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:32.921 anything going on. 00:28:33.942 --> 00:28:36.845 I literally have to just sit down and 00:28:36.865 --> 00:28:38.326 just Google things. 00:28:39.622 --> 00:28:41.163 know what's trending right now what's 00:28:41.223 --> 00:28:43.326 working right now and just start making 00:28:43.365 --> 00:28:47.209 notes i have a running like notepad where 00:28:47.229 --> 00:28:49.010 i just like okay this is working for 00:28:49.050 --> 00:28:50.752 people right now i've seen this i've seen 00:28:50.772 --> 00:28:53.255 this i kind of like this and then 00:28:53.275 --> 00:28:56.038 you just kind of keep you know redefining 00:28:56.077 --> 00:28:56.958 how you do business 00:28:57.858 --> 00:29:00.862 and dude it is so much work no 00:29:01.001 --> 00:29:03.824 that's how it is honestly so um so 00:29:04.003 --> 00:29:05.525 i have like this little live group or 00:29:05.545 --> 00:29:08.768 like stream group right um it consists 00:29:09.107 --> 00:29:10.888 with uh you know a lot of people 00:29:10.910 --> 00:29:12.790 who also make comic books and stuff like 00:29:12.810 --> 00:29:14.833 that yeah so um 00:29:15.753 --> 00:29:17.535 Like, like we've been, we kind of started, 00:29:17.875 --> 00:29:19.576 I would say we started like around the 00:29:19.596 --> 00:29:20.857 same time and stuff. 00:29:20.877 --> 00:29:22.378 We're all got like around the same 00:29:22.419 --> 00:29:24.881 following and stuff like that. 00:29:24.941 --> 00:29:28.022 Bro, some, some people like get like, 00:29:28.063 --> 00:29:31.184 ten K, twenty K within like two months. 00:29:31.665 --> 00:29:33.227 We've been at this for like two years, 00:29:33.287 --> 00:29:33.586 bro. 00:29:33.606 --> 00:29:37.230 So, you know, it, you know, some, 00:29:37.269 --> 00:29:38.009 some people get it. 00:29:38.109 --> 00:29:39.951 Some people just, just making videos. 00:29:40.451 --> 00:29:41.992 I mean, you know, 00:29:42.012 --> 00:29:42.733 I look at it from, 00:29:42.814 --> 00:29:44.055 I take this step back and I look 00:29:44.095 --> 00:29:44.535 at it and go, 00:29:45.694 --> 00:29:48.718 in the year plus that i've been promoting 00:29:49.317 --> 00:29:53.382 indie comics my following is just now 00:29:53.461 --> 00:29:57.445 starting to slowly pick up and it's not 00:29:57.506 --> 00:29:59.748 anything that i've done wrong or anything 00:29:59.827 --> 00:30:00.769 like that it's just 00:30:02.073 --> 00:30:04.375 it's how it works like eventually you know 00:30:04.394 --> 00:30:06.356 people are like like the more people who 00:30:06.376 --> 00:30:08.519 come on and then they share my stuff 00:30:08.558 --> 00:30:10.319 and then i share their stuff and finally 00:30:10.339 --> 00:30:11.942 people start picking up like oh i like 00:30:11.981 --> 00:30:13.663 what this guy's doing and i like this 00:30:13.683 --> 00:30:15.724 and i like that and then you know 00:30:16.445 --> 00:30:17.826 you may end up with like thirty new 00:30:17.846 --> 00:30:20.410 followers in a week but the following week 00:30:20.450 --> 00:30:21.570 you've lost you know 00:30:21.971 --> 00:30:25.291 ten twelve fifteen it's just the nature of 00:30:25.311 --> 00:30:27.873 the beast and it sucks man because you 00:30:27.893 --> 00:30:30.094 feel like you're doing something wrong but 00:30:30.114 --> 00:30:31.753 you have to realize that people are just 00:30:31.914 --> 00:30:35.276 fickle and thank you brian danielson for 00:30:35.296 --> 00:30:37.576 that word he he's a big user of 00:30:37.596 --> 00:30:40.778 the word fickle people are fickle fans are 00:30:40.837 --> 00:30:41.198 fickle 00:30:43.502 --> 00:30:45.646 and it's it sucks because it tastes it 00:30:45.686 --> 00:30:47.630 you know it's a blow to your ego 00:30:47.690 --> 00:30:50.615 right because you're like man i thought 00:30:50.655 --> 00:30:52.940 that killed that one i like i spent 00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:54.762 eight hours on that video and 00:30:55.878 --> 00:30:58.641 three likes later and you know who you 00:30:58.661 --> 00:31:01.582 know you can have fifty one second views 00:31:01.622 --> 00:31:02.903 and you still haven't got a minute of 00:31:02.942 --> 00:31:06.025 you time on something and it sucks yeah 00:31:06.085 --> 00:31:08.606 bro it is it's it's just like like 00:31:08.787 --> 00:31:10.528 at this point i don't edit too much 00:31:10.548 --> 00:31:13.930 anymore until i do like content but you 00:31:13.950 --> 00:31:16.131 know as far as tick tocks instagram reels 00:31:16.171 --> 00:31:17.951 and stuff go yeah you know just quick 00:31:18.051 --> 00:31:20.534 edits then post it you know i didn't 00:31:20.554 --> 00:31:20.653 yeah 00:31:22.682 --> 00:31:23.582 Yeah, dude, 00:31:23.663 --> 00:31:24.942 I wish I could do that because I 00:31:24.982 --> 00:31:26.804 have to take all my videos, 00:31:26.884 --> 00:31:28.744 break them down into multiple clips, 00:31:28.825 --> 00:31:29.904 not just for myself, 00:31:29.945 --> 00:31:31.226 but I give them to you as well. 00:31:32.426 --> 00:31:36.249 And then I don't like to just put, 00:31:36.328 --> 00:31:37.689 oh, here you go, here's the clip. 00:31:38.189 --> 00:31:39.690 No, I like it to be about you. 00:31:39.769 --> 00:31:41.211 I use your logos, 00:31:41.290 --> 00:31:43.071 I use your comic book covers. 00:31:43.951 --> 00:31:44.833 I do them up nice. 00:31:44.893 --> 00:31:45.752 I make them nice. 00:31:46.773 --> 00:31:49.474 And again, it's one of those where 00:31:52.085 --> 00:31:55.268 you may get fifty or sixty lights on 00:31:55.288 --> 00:31:57.368 it and i may get five or six 00:31:57.528 --> 00:31:58.930 you know what i'm saying or i may 00:31:58.970 --> 00:32:01.251 get the fifty and then you may get 00:32:01.271 --> 00:32:03.394 the sits but together though because it's 00:32:03.413 --> 00:32:05.255 a cloud project because how i like to 00:32:05.275 --> 00:32:07.376 do it is i i when i post 00:32:07.436 --> 00:32:09.097 it i collab with send you a cloud 00:32:09.138 --> 00:32:11.400 link for it and that way we're both 00:32:11.440 --> 00:32:12.981 getting the views we're both getting the 00:32:13.021 --> 00:32:15.242 clips and we're both getting that to share 00:32:15.262 --> 00:32:15.544 that 00:32:16.304 --> 00:32:18.263 right and it it feels better when it's 00:32:18.284 --> 00:32:20.285 like oh yeah me and that person together 00:32:20.305 --> 00:32:22.625 we got like you know four hundred views 00:32:22.664 --> 00:32:24.965 on that so hell yeah we doing we 00:32:24.986 --> 00:32:28.967 doing our you know exactly i say this 00:32:29.007 --> 00:32:30.946 so much in my streams but like when 00:32:31.047 --> 00:32:32.946 i make it bro whoever whoever was 00:32:32.967 --> 00:32:34.728 supporting from day one go ahead and call 00:32:34.807 --> 00:32:36.167 out of work you know like it gets 00:32:36.188 --> 00:32:42.548 you right you know dude i like it 00:32:42.588 --> 00:32:44.950 man but yeah social media man 00:32:46.311 --> 00:32:47.553 I don't care if you grow up with 00:32:47.633 --> 00:32:49.574 it or if you kind of just adopt 00:32:49.614 --> 00:32:51.935 it to it like my generation had to 00:32:51.976 --> 00:32:53.676 do. 00:32:53.696 --> 00:32:54.877 If you're trying to make it out here 00:32:55.018 --> 00:32:57.118 in social media and do what we do, 00:32:59.861 --> 00:33:01.321 man, it's a lot of fucking work. 00:33:01.362 --> 00:33:02.742 It's just so much work. 00:33:02.762 --> 00:33:05.144 It also takes a lot of luck. 00:33:05.163 --> 00:33:06.724 A lot of luck. 00:33:06.786 --> 00:33:07.546 It really is. 00:33:08.426 --> 00:33:10.028 They say the sun shines on a dog's 00:33:10.208 --> 00:33:11.107 ass sometimes. 00:33:11.167 --> 00:33:13.609 Man, I'm still waiting on that sunshine. 00:33:13.630 --> 00:33:13.809 Yeah, man. 00:33:18.692 --> 00:33:18.913 It's hard. 00:33:18.973 --> 00:33:19.733 I got to keep going, 00:33:19.753 --> 00:33:21.155 keep putting out videos and stuff. 00:33:21.215 --> 00:33:23.116 For the like the seventeen, 00:33:23.237 --> 00:33:24.919 eighteen people that do watch the videos, 00:33:25.419 --> 00:33:27.721 shout out to y'all. 00:33:27.760 --> 00:33:28.000 Yeah, man. 00:33:28.121 --> 00:33:28.442 I mean, 00:33:28.582 --> 00:33:29.762 you want to put something good out there 00:33:29.803 --> 00:33:30.303 for them, man. 00:33:30.343 --> 00:33:30.423 Yeah. 00:33:31.344 --> 00:33:34.307 So do you think social media is becoming 00:33:34.326 --> 00:33:36.909 the new way for indie creators to launch 00:33:36.949 --> 00:33:37.429 projects? 00:33:37.469 --> 00:33:39.330 I know I've launched a lot of Kickstarters 00:33:39.371 --> 00:33:41.673 on my side with people and they're always 00:33:41.692 --> 00:33:42.433 a ton of fun. 00:33:45.693 --> 00:33:46.894 Honestly, yeah. 00:33:46.914 --> 00:33:50.215 Because I never noticed how many people 00:33:50.455 --> 00:33:53.377 actually create comic books like that 00:33:53.417 --> 00:33:55.298 until I started making my own and 00:33:55.439 --> 00:33:55.999 promoting them. 00:33:56.700 --> 00:33:58.300 And then a lot of people asking me 00:33:58.421 --> 00:34:01.382 to do collabs and stuff, do all this, 00:34:01.402 --> 00:34:01.721 do that. 00:34:02.222 --> 00:34:02.863 And I'm like, bro, 00:34:02.883 --> 00:34:04.943 I don't even got ten pages done yet. 00:34:05.324 --> 00:34:10.827 But now we have this collab book coming 00:34:10.887 --> 00:34:11.027 out. 00:34:11.628 --> 00:34:12.007 And 00:34:12.947 --> 00:34:16.791 We are about to start heavy promoting this 00:34:16.931 --> 00:34:21.052 on social media and stuff. 00:34:22.414 --> 00:34:23.775 Sometimes that's just the way to do it. 00:34:24.615 --> 00:34:26.476 You and your buddies release an anthology 00:34:26.496 --> 00:34:29.898 together that has three to four pages from 00:34:29.998 --> 00:34:31.559 each of your stories that you're trying to 00:34:31.619 --> 00:34:32.400 build right now. 00:34:33.097 --> 00:34:35.117 dude and then just use that to promote 00:34:35.157 --> 00:34:38.360 like hey here's what's coming up yeah um 00:34:38.581 --> 00:34:41.202 actually actually actually so at first you 00:34:41.222 --> 00:34:42.884 know i like a little collab book it 00:34:42.903 --> 00:34:44.704 was supposed to be like you know five 00:34:44.804 --> 00:34:48.146 pages stuff like that i just i just 00:34:48.166 --> 00:34:50.509 kind of like locked in five pages turned 00:34:50.528 --> 00:34:53.771 to like thirty pages bro so yeah you 00:34:53.791 --> 00:34:58.554 know dude do it man that's the way 00:34:58.574 --> 00:34:59.074 to do it just 00:35:00.572 --> 00:35:03.114 was especially if you know them and you're 00:35:03.134 --> 00:35:05.436 trusting them because i mean essentially 00:35:05.476 --> 00:35:07.858 you're putting your your work in their 00:35:07.898 --> 00:35:09.579 hands and they're the same with you you 00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:10.981 know they're putting their work in your 00:35:11.021 --> 00:35:13.443 hands as well so it's one of those 00:35:13.483 --> 00:35:15.744 where you definitely want to make sure the 00:35:15.784 --> 00:35:17.726 right hand's talking to the left hand and 00:35:17.947 --> 00:35:19.809 both of you all have good intentions for 00:35:19.829 --> 00:35:21.329 that one and the other so now he 00:35:21.349 --> 00:35:24.853 i'm like a lot of meteorite comics though 00:35:24.873 --> 00:35:27.414 he's amazing oh yeah yeah yeah i did 00:35:27.856 --> 00:35:28.076 yeah 00:35:31.635 --> 00:35:33.275 we followed each other today, actually. 00:35:33.576 --> 00:35:34.536 I was looking at his page. 00:35:34.556 --> 00:35:35.016 I was like, yeah, 00:35:35.036 --> 00:35:36.797 that's some dope stuff over there. 00:35:36.817 --> 00:35:38.217 If he wants to come on sometime, 00:35:39.038 --> 00:35:40.838 I think I got one spot left in 00:35:40.878 --> 00:35:42.820 May if he wants to hit me up, 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:43.119 man. 00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:44.041 We'll make something happen. 00:35:44.061 --> 00:35:44.581 I'll let him know. 00:35:44.601 --> 00:35:47.382 I'll definitely let him know. 00:35:47.661 --> 00:35:48.983 What do you think so far has been 00:35:49.322 --> 00:35:52.463 really no kidding the hardest part so far 00:35:52.563 --> 00:35:53.905 of building Skyline? 00:35:55.525 --> 00:35:56.085 Just 00:35:58.523 --> 00:36:06.184 actually a question um i would say writing 00:36:06.505 --> 00:36:09.865 but as writing as in is it good 00:36:09.925 --> 00:36:11.907 enough you know like i'm kind of like 00:36:11.947 --> 00:36:12.867 at first i was kind of like a 00:36:12.887 --> 00:36:15.306 perfectionist about it and you know i 00:36:15.327 --> 00:36:17.307 would like rewrite the story like fifty 00:36:18.047 --> 00:36:21.068 sixty times you know and just trying to 00:36:21.108 --> 00:36:23.949 get the perfect script get the perfect 00:36:23.989 --> 00:36:24.608 story done 00:36:25.329 --> 00:36:27.010 um a lot of research has gone into 00:36:27.050 --> 00:36:29.072 this story now but you know i still 00:36:29.092 --> 00:36:31.273 feel like i can make a better pro 00:36:31.293 --> 00:36:32.853 i can make a better issue one now 00:36:33.014 --> 00:36:34.994 currently but you know page is already 00:36:35.054 --> 00:36:37.936 done and i can't constantly you know keep 00:36:37.976 --> 00:36:39.617 writing the script or it's not gonna you 00:36:39.637 --> 00:36:41.559 know there's no it's not gonna be yeah 00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:43.280 so yeah i'll say just being a 00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:45.902 perfectionist bro that's that's probably 00:36:46.362 --> 00:36:47.123 the hardest for me 00:36:47.978 --> 00:36:48.498 Yeah. 00:36:48.579 --> 00:36:50.139 No, I mean, I mean, it's your book. 00:36:50.659 --> 00:36:51.420 It's your book. 00:36:51.460 --> 00:36:52.581 You're putting yourself, 00:36:52.621 --> 00:36:55.963 your vulnerabilities into this book and 00:36:56.003 --> 00:36:57.786 you want it to be as close to 00:36:57.865 --> 00:36:59.766 perfect as humanly possible. 00:36:59.927 --> 00:37:01.568 The last thing you ever want to do 00:37:02.369 --> 00:37:04.271 is put something out that you don't have 00:37:04.291 --> 00:37:05.652 a hundred percent, a hundred, 00:37:05.692 --> 00:37:08.934 ten percent of yourself into because then 00:37:09.273 --> 00:37:10.375 people are going to know it's going to 00:37:10.394 --> 00:37:11.016 be noticed. 00:37:12.016 --> 00:37:14.938 He didn't put all of it into this 00:37:14.978 --> 00:37:15.199 book. 00:37:15.259 --> 00:37:15.739 You could tell. 00:37:16.378 --> 00:37:20.702 Even with big writers at DC and Marvel 00:37:20.822 --> 00:37:21.503 and Image, 00:37:21.943 --> 00:37:23.264 you can kind of tell when a writer 00:37:23.284 --> 00:37:25.085 gets tired of writing that because it gets 00:37:25.125 --> 00:37:25.465 sloppy. 00:37:25.485 --> 00:37:28.588 You're just like, the hell is this? 00:37:28.788 --> 00:37:29.548 What did I just read? 00:37:29.568 --> 00:37:34.211 Then finally, after another cycle of it, 00:37:34.231 --> 00:37:34.891 you're like, oh, 00:37:34.952 --> 00:37:36.032 they got a new writer in. 00:37:37.333 --> 00:37:37.753 Finally. 00:37:39.375 --> 00:37:40.235 The issue went out 00:37:41.240 --> 00:37:41.742 I like it. 00:37:42.543 --> 00:37:44.224 I actually really love my issue one now. 00:37:44.666 --> 00:37:45.706 I can't wait for it to come out, 00:37:46.007 --> 00:37:49.052 but like I really, 00:37:49.775 --> 00:37:51.315 Like I put a lot of time into 00:37:51.536 --> 00:37:51.635 it, 00:37:52.396 --> 00:37:53.597 but I know I can make a better 00:37:53.697 --> 00:37:54.699 one now, you know? 00:37:54.739 --> 00:37:56.639 So, you know, And you know, 00:37:56.659 --> 00:37:57.460 that's how it works, right? 00:37:58.061 --> 00:38:00.182 You do issue one, you release issue one, 00:38:00.483 --> 00:38:02.364 you get the feedback from issue one, 00:38:02.585 --> 00:38:03.666 you take that feedback, 00:38:03.706 --> 00:38:04.847 you make issue two, 00:38:05.347 --> 00:38:07.588 and then it goes and goes and goes. 00:38:07.648 --> 00:38:08.969 And then finally, you know, you're, 00:38:09.170 --> 00:38:12.231 you're getting ready to close out outline 00:38:12.311 --> 00:38:13.132 storyline. 00:38:13.612 --> 00:38:14.293 And you finally, 00:38:14.313 --> 00:38:15.715 you haven't nailed down perfectly. 00:38:15.755 --> 00:38:16.235 Here you are. 00:38:17.195 --> 00:38:18.655 that's the finale and you're about to 00:38:19.197 --> 00:38:20.577 start the next character you know what i'm 00:38:20.617 --> 00:38:22.717 saying yeah but now you have all these 00:38:22.777 --> 00:38:24.577 good lessons learned that you can bring 00:38:24.657 --> 00:38:27.878 over to the next character and and do 00:38:27.938 --> 00:38:30.059 it you know do it perfectly that time 00:38:30.099 --> 00:38:33.039 you know and dude if you're not evolving 00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:34.940 if you're not learning you ain't doing it 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:36.740 right right right so 00:38:38.083 --> 00:38:40.626 Do you see Skyline Comets as something 00:38:40.706 --> 00:38:42.708 fans can grow with over time? 00:38:42.748 --> 00:38:44.311 And this one they should be able to, 00:38:44.351 --> 00:38:45.251 man, because, I mean, 00:38:45.291 --> 00:38:46.893 you're starting at an issue one, 00:38:47.655 --> 00:38:53.420 ground up from nothing and just – 00:38:51.597 --> 00:38:53.016 Zooming it out for everybody. 00:38:53.858 --> 00:38:55.677 Nah, yeah, I'm not gonna lie. 00:38:56.117 --> 00:38:57.978 For the people that read Outline issue 00:38:58.177 --> 00:38:58.318 one, 00:39:00.898 --> 00:39:03.119 if you stick with the whole Outline 00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:03.579 series, 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:06.420 I feel like my character Outline would be 00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:07.581 very important. 00:39:08.001 --> 00:39:09.360 I'm not gonna say too important in your 00:39:09.380 --> 00:39:11.260 life, because it's an AD book and shit, 00:39:11.661 --> 00:39:15.302 but it would be a very important character 00:39:15.342 --> 00:39:16.483 in your life. 00:39:16.583 --> 00:39:18.023 He is very grounded. 00:39:18.922 --> 00:39:22.804 as grounded as possible you know so not 00:39:22.864 --> 00:39:24.907 yet a lot of people are going to 00:39:25.047 --> 00:39:27.927 actually love outline and you know all the 00:39:28.007 --> 00:39:32.351 side characters and stuff dude i like it 00:39:32.411 --> 00:39:34.231 and so for everybody out there i know 00:39:34.411 --> 00:39:36.032 we had talked about it briefly before 00:39:36.052 --> 00:39:37.793 because i still didn't have a really a 00:39:37.833 --> 00:39:38.494 good idea on 00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:42.621 on how outline and the universe was going 00:39:42.661 --> 00:39:43.282 to get started. 00:39:43.302 --> 00:39:44.501 There will be no Kickstarter, 00:39:44.541 --> 00:39:45.483 no crowdfunding. 00:39:46.103 --> 00:39:48.704 Your plan is to build this independently 00:39:49.224 --> 00:39:50.364 and sell it at the, 00:39:50.545 --> 00:39:53.545 at comic cons and on your website when 00:39:53.585 --> 00:39:54.286 it is finished. 00:39:54.686 --> 00:39:55.007 Yes. 00:39:55.286 --> 00:39:57.668 And take talk and sit, talk. 00:39:58.387 --> 00:40:00.188 So when you have all that stuff done, 00:40:00.228 --> 00:40:00.528 dude, 00:40:00.869 --> 00:40:02.550 I need you to send me those links 00:40:03.050 --> 00:40:03.190 a, 00:40:03.230 --> 00:40:04.530 so I can buy a copy of it. 00:40:05.532 --> 00:40:06.072 And B, 00:40:06.452 --> 00:40:07.552 I want to be able to share those 00:40:07.632 --> 00:40:10.195 links with the Council of Nerds. 00:40:10.215 --> 00:40:10.695 That way, 00:40:10.855 --> 00:40:12.596 everybody who wants to get in on this 00:40:12.615 --> 00:40:13.675 on the ground floor, 00:40:14.277 --> 00:40:15.938 everybody can get in on the ground floor 00:40:15.958 --> 00:40:17.679 with everybody, right? 00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:18.498 Most definitely, bro. 00:40:18.659 --> 00:40:19.760 I'm like, why? 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:20.739 Once it's actually out, 00:40:21.260 --> 00:40:22.481 everything is just going. 00:40:22.581 --> 00:40:22.800 Like, 00:40:22.940 --> 00:40:24.061 you're going to see the outline 00:40:24.382 --> 00:40:25.143 everywhere, bro. 00:40:25.182 --> 00:40:26.282 You might look outside. 00:40:26.302 --> 00:40:28.523 You might see an outline billboard for all 00:40:28.543 --> 00:40:28.804 you know. 00:40:28.824 --> 00:40:29.204 You never know. 00:40:30.963 --> 00:40:32.065 Dude, I like it. 00:40:32.204 --> 00:40:34.985 I like big dreams and like that. 00:40:35.346 --> 00:40:39.228 So you have become the youngest person to 00:40:39.327 --> 00:40:42.989 appear on the USDN and to share your 00:40:43.010 --> 00:40:45.791 story with the Council of Nerds at twenty 00:40:45.831 --> 00:40:46.771 years old. 00:40:48.032 --> 00:40:49.713 My man isn't even old enough to go 00:40:49.753 --> 00:40:51.054 down to the liquor store yet. 00:40:51.114 --> 00:40:52.114 Can't do it. 00:40:52.153 --> 00:40:54.235 Not yet, at least. 00:40:54.295 --> 00:40:56.335 Just wait till I hit that twenty-one age, 00:40:56.376 --> 00:40:56.675 you know? 00:40:57.195 --> 00:40:59.757 So for young creators watching right now, 00:40:59.797 --> 00:41:00.117 man, 00:41:01.581 --> 00:41:03.246 What do you want them to know as 00:41:03.266 --> 00:41:06.253 they maybe start this journey the same as 00:41:06.273 --> 00:41:06.454 you? 00:41:09.675 --> 00:41:11.717 truth truthfully truthfully truthfully 00:41:11.737 --> 00:41:14.257 dude yeah do it give them the best 00:41:14.336 --> 00:41:17.318 advice you can all right hey hey y'all 00:41:17.398 --> 00:41:18.958 y'all come here y'all come here all right 00:41:18.998 --> 00:41:21.360 it's not an easy thing this is you 00:41:21.380 --> 00:41:23.219 know this is probably one of the hardest 00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:25.460 things i've ever done in my life you 00:41:25.501 --> 00:41:29.702 know um but if you passionate about it 00:41:29.742 --> 00:41:31.123 like if you're actually passionate about 00:41:31.143 --> 00:41:31.882 it you want to get to 00:41:32.577 --> 00:41:33.717 Even if it's just one book, 00:41:34.157 --> 00:41:35.478 if you get that one book out, 00:41:35.759 --> 00:41:37.099 you're going to want to continue to do 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:37.239 it. 00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:37.539 You know, 00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:39.400 you're going to want to make more books. 00:41:40.001 --> 00:41:41.521 And the more you do it, 00:41:41.842 --> 00:41:42.762 the better you are. 00:41:42.943 --> 00:41:43.222 You know, 00:41:43.242 --> 00:41:44.963 the better you get at doing whatever 00:41:45.003 --> 00:41:45.583 you're doing in life, 00:41:46.003 --> 00:41:46.965 especially with this, 00:41:47.324 --> 00:41:48.306 especially with writing. 00:41:48.766 --> 00:41:50.126 If you study how to. 00:41:51.067 --> 00:41:52.929 how to actually write a story because i've 00:41:52.989 --> 00:41:56.152 been through editors i've done research so 00:41:56.172 --> 00:41:58.655 if you if you do the research you 00:41:58.695 --> 00:42:01.237 passionate about it you'll get better as 00:42:01.277 --> 00:42:03.860 time goes and you know you'll get that 00:42:03.900 --> 00:42:06.523 book out and you'll feel like you feel 00:42:06.563 --> 00:42:08.465 like you you won the lottery you know 00:42:10.447 --> 00:42:12.688 i like it man so 00:42:14.324 --> 00:42:15.284 Later this summer, 00:42:15.565 --> 00:42:16.565 when this book comes out, 00:42:16.644 --> 00:42:17.786 you got to come back on. 00:42:17.806 --> 00:42:19.327 That way we can talk about it again. 00:42:19.947 --> 00:42:24.030 And number two, this summer, I don't know, 00:42:24.429 --> 00:42:25.811 it may be June or July, 00:42:26.610 --> 00:42:28.711 I'm going to... You watch ESPN? 00:42:29.213 --> 00:42:30.112 Yeah. 00:42:30.253 --> 00:42:30.793 Yeah. 00:42:32.974 --> 00:42:34.596 So I'm going to do something similar to 00:42:34.655 --> 00:42:36.697 a Thirty for Thirty for comic books, 00:42:36.757 --> 00:42:37.077 right? 00:42:37.597 --> 00:42:38.597 I thought you said you was about to 00:42:38.617 --> 00:42:39.619 be on ESPN, bro. 00:42:40.338 --> 00:42:40.960 No, dude. 00:42:41.460 --> 00:42:42.119 I don't think they let... 00:42:43.811 --> 00:42:46.672 Indie comic book podcast on ESPN. 00:42:46.713 --> 00:42:48.293 Although if they need somebody to cover 00:42:48.333 --> 00:42:49.353 wrestling, hit me up. 00:42:50.713 --> 00:42:53.014 But I can't be doing it no worse 00:42:53.034 --> 00:42:53.954 than those guys over there. 00:42:53.994 --> 00:42:54.615 That's for sure. 00:42:55.315 --> 00:42:55.876 But no. 00:42:55.936 --> 00:42:56.655 So what I'm going to do is, 00:42:56.675 --> 00:42:57.976 you know, thirty for thirty. 00:42:58.016 --> 00:42:58.336 Right. 00:42:58.956 --> 00:42:59.976 I'm going to bring on a bunch of 00:43:00.016 --> 00:43:04.219 young up and coming indie comic book 00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:05.579 creators like yourself. 00:43:05.878 --> 00:43:06.739 And we're just going to have like a 00:43:06.860 --> 00:43:09.340 panel and we're just going to discuss any 00:43:09.380 --> 00:43:10.601 comic books like that. 00:43:11.382 --> 00:43:13.425 So it's just going to be, let's see, 00:43:13.826 --> 00:43:14.887 you at twenty. 00:43:15.246 --> 00:43:19.010 I got Ray, 00:43:19.050 --> 00:43:20.972 who's like twenty two and getting ready to 00:43:21.012 --> 00:43:21.733 graduate. 00:43:22.313 --> 00:43:23.474 Ray Raynett out there, 00:43:23.574 --> 00:43:25.998 who I think is also he graduates this 00:43:26.057 --> 00:43:26.717 year as well. 00:43:27.458 --> 00:43:29.440 So I got about like six or seven 00:43:29.481 --> 00:43:31.302 of y'all who've been on the podcast. 00:43:31.322 --> 00:43:33.005 We're all under the age of thirty. 00:43:34.248 --> 00:43:35.148 And we're going to come on. 00:43:35.409 --> 00:43:36.889 We're going to have a panel and we're 00:43:36.909 --> 00:43:38.530 just going to discuss kind of like the 00:43:38.690 --> 00:43:41.331 overall journeys as you've released a 00:43:41.371 --> 00:43:43.152 couple of comic books by that time. 00:43:43.271 --> 00:43:44.771 And just, you know, 00:43:44.891 --> 00:43:47.253 catch up with with all of you and 00:43:47.293 --> 00:43:49.153 kind of just like have that that big 00:43:49.193 --> 00:43:50.474 picture journey of like, OK, 00:43:50.514 --> 00:43:53.155 you have a couple of titles under your 00:43:53.195 --> 00:43:53.434 belt. 00:43:53.474 --> 00:43:54.936 You've released a couple of comic books, 00:43:54.996 --> 00:43:56.076 kind of like a follow up, 00:43:56.536 --> 00:43:57.916 but also just really. 00:43:58.896 --> 00:44:00.818 expand upon from the last time you were 00:44:00.838 --> 00:44:02.900 here and where you're at now you know 00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:04.762 what i'm saying yeah it's kind of like 00:44:04.782 --> 00:44:07.043 that i'm treating it like a thirty under 00:44:07.123 --> 00:44:08.565 thirty you know what i'm saying yeah i 00:44:08.724 --> 00:44:11.688 got you so we'll have to have you 00:44:11.728 --> 00:44:13.929 back on for that for sure but man 00:44:13.989 --> 00:44:16.512 it's time for that rapid fire round all 00:44:16.532 --> 00:44:19.114 right you ready let's do it all right 00:44:19.313 --> 00:44:22.195 don't think about it just answer okay 00:44:22.215 --> 00:44:23.838 marvel or dc marvel 00:44:24.789 --> 00:44:25.751 Favorite superhero? 00:44:26.090 --> 00:44:26.670 Moon Knight. 00:44:26.771 --> 00:44:28.893 You missed the opportunity to say outline 00:44:28.913 --> 00:44:33.655 there, but I'll let it slide. 00:44:33.735 --> 00:44:35.036 I was in a Marvel universe. 00:44:35.217 --> 00:44:35.516 See, 00:44:35.818 --> 00:44:36.818 that's why I told you not to think 00:44:36.858 --> 00:44:37.719 about it, but I like it. 00:44:37.739 --> 00:44:38.699 I like Moon Knight too. 00:44:39.219 --> 00:44:40.320 Favorite comic creator? 00:44:41.001 --> 00:44:41.280 Me. 00:44:41.300 --> 00:44:45.384 I'm on it right there. 00:44:46.063 --> 00:44:47.445 You're on it now. 00:44:47.485 --> 00:44:48.186 Favorite villain? 00:44:48.286 --> 00:44:49.527 My villains. 00:44:51.503 --> 00:44:52.804 I'm liking it even more. 00:44:53.204 --> 00:44:54.264 Favorite comic movie? 00:44:55.626 --> 00:44:56.085 Endgame. 00:44:57.907 --> 00:44:58.186 Okay. 00:44:58.246 --> 00:45:00.449 I'll give you Endgame. 00:45:00.849 --> 00:45:03.590 Physical copies or digital comics? 00:45:03.911 --> 00:45:04.831 Physical copies. 00:45:05.291 --> 00:45:05.992 I'm with you, dude. 00:45:06.773 --> 00:45:08.634 So if Outline could team up with any 00:45:08.693 --> 00:45:09.313 superhero, 00:45:09.414 --> 00:45:10.996 I don't care from what universe, 00:45:11.315 --> 00:45:14.577 who would it be? 00:45:14.597 --> 00:45:15.177 Punisher. 00:45:16.398 --> 00:45:17.099 Okay. 00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:17.599 Yeah. 00:45:17.699 --> 00:45:17.920 Okay. 00:45:19.574 --> 00:45:21.197 Favorite snack while you're writing? 00:45:23.842 --> 00:45:25.505 That's actually a good question. 00:45:25.525 --> 00:45:28.030 What is my favorite snack? 00:45:28.050 --> 00:45:28.612 A bag of chips. 00:45:28.692 --> 00:45:29.092 I don't know. 00:45:29.273 --> 00:45:29.914 I don't really eat. 00:45:31.427 --> 00:45:31.927 There you go. 00:45:32.829 --> 00:45:34.889 But Colin, before I let you go, dude, 00:45:34.949 --> 00:45:36.731 I want you to tell everybody where they 00:45:36.751 --> 00:45:39.072 can find you right now on social media. 00:45:39.652 --> 00:45:42.635 You can find me on TikTok at Skyline 00:45:42.675 --> 00:45:43.094 Comics. 00:45:43.135 --> 00:45:45.876 You can find me on Instagram at Official 00:45:46.016 --> 00:45:46.916 Skyline Comics. 00:45:46.956 --> 00:45:49.639 You can find me on YouTube at Skyline 00:45:49.679 --> 00:45:52.621 Comics. 00:45:52.641 --> 00:45:53.320 There you have it. 00:45:54.081 --> 00:45:56.083 Colin, I want to say thank you. 00:45:57.561 --> 00:45:59.641 We're coming on and joining the Council of 00:45:59.701 --> 00:46:00.422 Nerds tonight. 00:46:00.481 --> 00:46:01.902 It was a pleasure to have you on. 00:46:01.922 --> 00:46:03.782 I want to say thank you for sharing 00:46:03.802 --> 00:46:04.581 the beginning. 00:46:05.103 --> 00:46:07.862 We're on the ground floor of Skyline 00:46:07.902 --> 00:46:08.842 Comics right now. 00:46:09.922 --> 00:46:13.503 And, dude, we're here for it. 00:46:13.764 --> 00:46:14.744 We're clocked in with you. 00:46:14.804 --> 00:46:15.985 We're clocked in with you, dude. 00:46:16.005 --> 00:46:17.684 Yeah, I appreciate you having me here, 00:46:17.704 --> 00:46:17.764 bro. 00:46:17.784 --> 00:46:21.286 And, hey, you know, I stream every day. 00:46:21.306 --> 00:46:22.565 You should hop in a live one day, 00:46:22.606 --> 00:46:22.726 bro. 00:46:24.231 --> 00:46:27.132 I'm not actually on TikTok. 00:46:27.172 --> 00:46:29.632 If I see you're live on Instagram or 00:46:29.672 --> 00:46:31.614 whatever, I'm like, okay, 00:46:31.653 --> 00:46:32.434 let me check them out. 00:46:33.074 --> 00:46:34.954 But I do follow you on YouTube, 00:46:34.994 --> 00:46:37.054 so if I see the pop-up on YouTube 00:46:37.094 --> 00:46:38.635 as well, I'll watch it over there. 00:46:39.876 --> 00:46:40.235 I can't. 00:46:40.255 --> 00:46:42.777 I think the TikTok wave passed me by, 00:46:43.117 --> 00:46:43.257 man. 00:46:45.237 --> 00:46:46.978 That over-thirty-five crowd, 00:46:47.978 --> 00:46:48.599 I can't do it. 00:46:50.750 --> 00:46:52.811 I don't know we got a little older 00:46:52.851 --> 00:46:54.692 hair you know shout out Shockwave he like 00:46:55.072 --> 00:46:58.894 fifty sixty years old you know you know 00:46:58.994 --> 00:47:01.255 I like it dude but um 00:47:02.601 --> 00:47:04.422 Again, thank you for joining us, man, 00:47:04.463 --> 00:47:06.384 and to everyone watching and listening at 00:47:06.443 --> 00:47:06.724 home, 00:47:06.804 --> 00:47:09.065 if you enjoy discovering indie comic 00:47:09.105 --> 00:47:11.405 creators and the stories behind their 00:47:11.445 --> 00:47:11.945 projects, 00:47:12.005 --> 00:47:15.228 make sure you subscribe and join the 00:47:15.268 --> 00:47:17.188 conversation because we're doing this at 00:47:17.228 --> 00:47:19.048 least two to three days a week. 00:47:19.829 --> 00:47:22.010 But with that, ladies and gentlemen, 00:47:22.050 --> 00:47:25.192 the Council of Nerds is now adjourned. 00:47:25.731 --> 00:47:27.753 This has been the USDN Podcast, 00:47:28.072 --> 00:47:30.373 where indie comics come to life. 00:47:30.695 --> 00:47:31.454 Y'all be safe. 00:47:33.291 --> 00:47:33.755 You hang out. 00:47:33.775 --> 00:47:34.400 Don't go nowhere. 00:47:35.186 --> 00:47:35.630 I got you.