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It's time for the show, let's go!

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. Steve: Today we are with Chad Rowe
and Rowdy Stovall from 3rdHome, and

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they're going to be explaining  how to
become affiliates of 3rdHome through

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Cosago, what are the advantages and
homeowner acquisition strategies

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and how to get your homeowners.

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On the program to make them more
sticky and give them the benefits

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of this really cool offering.

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We have so welcome guys.

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Thank you.

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Thanks.

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How you doing Steve?

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Doing great.

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Glad to have you guys here.

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Chad, you're the SVP of
business development.

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Is that right?

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That's correct.

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Can you tell me a little
bit about your role there?

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Rowdy: Sure.

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Yeah.

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Within the business development
department my job is essentially B2B

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relationship building and partnership
acquisition, if that, that rings a bell.

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So whereby there's a different
division that handles our

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organic growth within third home.

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The affiliate and business development
division focuses on B2B relationships

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whereby major hotel brands, such as.

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Ritz Carlton, Four Seasons, Au Baird,
Rosewood development companies globally.

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To the obvious one here in short
term vacation rental managers right

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on down to individual real estate.

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Companies and real estate agencies.

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We work with them all.

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Steve: Yeah.

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And Rowdy, you're the director
of business development.

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Nick: That's right.

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Yeah, I basically was
brought on this last year.

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I was working on a resort
development lease last year.

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That's where I was introduced
to chat in the 3rd home.

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And then when I left that project, I
came over and basically is Director of

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business development supporting what
basically what Chad just mentioned and

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kind of focused on real estate developers
brokers VRMs, such as you guys and

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just supporting him in those efforts.

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Steve: Now, Chad, I understand
you started with natural retreats.

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Rowdy: Yeah, literally right about
the time when third home came out of

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the ground 2010 I brought a British
brand called natural assets and its

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sister company, its operating company
called natural retreats over here

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to the U S and launched it in my
hometown of Charlottesville, Virginia.

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So I, made myself employee number
one and grew that brand from  zero

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to the stance that it's in today.

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. 
, Steve: it's a great brand and some
really nice people over there.

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Sarah Frazen was there for a
long time and just a whole group

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of great people over there.

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Yeah.

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Good talent.

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Good talent on that team for sure.

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. And Rowdy, you were on 90210.

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Whoa, hold on.

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Nick: No, that's wrong.

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No, you don't have it wrong,
but that was many years ago.

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Yeah, I got a, when I left Texas
and moved out to elevate in the mid

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nineties, I was in the film industry
for about 20 years and first few jobs

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were acting jobs and my, one of my
first roles was, The bartender at

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the peach pit after dark on 90210.

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This was in like 97 or something.

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So yeah that, that is a fact that

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Steve: So tell me about third home.

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And how our partners are able to
leverage it and maybe just start

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with what exactly does it do?

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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Rowdy: The idea of luxury home exchange,
which is the industry that we're in

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specifically, not a new concept been
around for decades, but much like the

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short term vacation rental industry,
it really didn't organize itself

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and, professionally balance itself.

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Yeah.

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Here in the U.

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S.

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and elsewhere until around 2010.

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The idea of exchanging time in one's home
certainly overlapped with the timeshare

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theory, which this is certainly not.

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It instead pairs very well with the
luxury realm of second home usage.

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Whereby, whether a person rents
their home or not they might feel as

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comfortable or more comfortable if a
club member, a fellow club member of

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a vetted organization, so to speak,

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.

 Steve: Chad, tell me, . How
exactly does it work?

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Rowdy: Well, third home essentially
is a keys for time program.

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It's an indirect option
versus a direct option.

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So it's not.

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Two individuals exchanging
weeks in their own homes.

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It's guaranteed time in one second
homeowner's property for credits or

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keys that then are used like currency
to exchange in another homeowner's home.

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Does that make sense?

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Steve: Yeah, it makes perfect sense.

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Rowdy: That's correct.

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Yeah.

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There, there are some competitors.

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We're not in this industry alone that,
that do a direct model where it's

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quite literally two homeowners acting
as travel agents and coordinating

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with each other to share time and
in that property on a literal.

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Week for week exchange.

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We're not that model.

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We followed more closely the Marriott
Bonvoy model, whereby a points driven

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system and already accepted and proven
system meshes exceptionally well and

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also rewards the higher end properties
and the higher end times of year for

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the deposited weeks in those properties.

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Steve: And so the way I understand
it is you provide a currency called

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keys and these keys are how you decide
what the credit is for like each

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week that you put into your property.

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How do you earn a key?

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And maybe explain what a key is.

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Rowdy: Sure.

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So keys again are the
currency of third home.

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They're formulated by two metrics really.

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One is the literal market value,
the real estate market value

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of the property in question.

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So we set a base key value
based on that market value.

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If it's half a million to
a million, it's a one key.

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Base key value.

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If it's a $5 million home and up, we
base that as a five key base value.

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And then we apply a metric of
desirability based on seasonality

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of the time deposited in that home.

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So if you had a $1 million home and
it was a one key property you put that

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same property in during peak season,
you'd get a two x multiple of that and

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it would be a two key week deposit.

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Same in a super peak prime holiday weeks.

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For example, would get you a three and
sometimes four X multiple providing

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more keys that then you could use to
exchange in the other homes elsewhere.

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So you rewarded by guaranteeing time
and the more valuable properties

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you own or represent, and then
exchanging desirable times in that

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property for others to exchange into.

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Steve: So it's by the
value of the property.

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Multiplied by the value of the time that
you offer to the third home in order to

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create an exchange for the keys, right?

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That's correct.

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And what's the cost for homeowners
on the affiliate program?

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We have a special deal through Costco.

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How does the franchisees, how did
the partners explain that to the,

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each homeowner as they're talking

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Nick: about it?

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So when they joined through,
through Costco you were able to

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waive those join initiation fees.

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It's usually a 2, 500 initiation
fee by joining through Costco.

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You gift them that membership where they
don't have to pay the initiation fee.

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And also you gift them
five keys and five keys.

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Like Chad was saying earlier,
that's basically on a non peak week.

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You're looking at like
a 5 million property.

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So it's a joining by
joining through Costco.

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It's a huge value add and a
great benefit to the new members

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by joining through you guys.

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Steve: Now that's great.

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And then do the partners also
earn keys when somebody signs up?

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How does that benefit them?

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Rowdy: That's right.

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The the partners benefit greatly and
really it breaks down to the frequency

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for which and the productivity
for which they introduce their

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homeowner clients to third home.

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As a, an owned home enters third home
by way of that affiliation the Costco

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will earn keys themselves into a master
account and those keys can be used for

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travel just like a homeowning member.

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Of the club, that's the one anomaly
to these affiliations is that you

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do not have to own a home if you're
an affiliate partner to travel as

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briskly as you wish within the club
using those keys that you earn.

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Steve: Is third home integrated
with streamline or do they do the

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homeowners need to block the units
separately in streamline as compared

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to the software system in third home?

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Rowdy: Really good question.

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Third home works on fixed weeks, right?

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So we're a bit old school in that regard.

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We do have a robust tech stack
behind our back office, but

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we don't require a direct A.

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P.

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I.

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In fact, we don't encourage.

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A direct API with our affiliate partners,
because we know exactly the times of

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the year that are being deposited.

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They're typically deposited all
at once and then potentially

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updated throughout the year.

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And they're, they follow the
pattern of an owner's usage block.

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So the same manner for which Steve, your.

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Franchisees would block times
on their booking calendar for

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owner stays third home weeks
would fall into the same pattern.

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So there's no question whether you
can double book that property and

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whether or not there's somebody
already staying in that property

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their time off the market, so to
speak for a third home member to join.

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Nick: Yeah.

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And one, one really cool thing,
Steve, is that when people put their

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weeks in, When they look at the
calendar, we'll send them a PDF.

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They'll look and, choose their weeks.

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They'll see on that file on the PDF
file, what weeks are peak season, then.

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So they'll make that choice.

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And then once they deposit those weeks,
they get their keys to travel, right.

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Then they do not have to wait for
anyone to book their property.

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And that, that's another differentiator
between us and, there's several

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differentiators, but that's one of the big
ones between us and other travel clubs.

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So they don't have to wait for
anyone to book their property.

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They can go ahead and travel.

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Steve: Benefit of the indirect model.

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That's correct.

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That's correct.

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And how many keys does a affiliate or,
one of our partners,  get per property

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or do they get it just by joining?

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How does that work out?

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Rowdy: So, an affiliate would
typically earn Well, a franchisee

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under Costco, let's put it that way.

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Every individual owner that enters
the program through that Costco

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franchisee the master account for Costco
would earn one key on the front end.

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So when that member joins and joining
it equates to the time for which

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they've entered the onboarding process
and made their qualifying deposits

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to become active within the club.

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As soon as that happens the franchise
E is delivered and they have a

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master account has delivered one key.

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Regardless of what the key value
of the home that enters is now

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there's a second key that comes in
and an ever evolving and evergreen.

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Pattern for them.

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So, the real flow of revenue for
third home and for this partnership

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success is in the booking and
travel of these properties once

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they're activated on our site.

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Not too dissimilar to an
OTA or another travel site.

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If a deposit that occurs through
one of the franchisees books

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then the franchisee another key.

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So every time a deposit occurs
and every time another member

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books that deposit, we incentivize
that franchisee with another key.

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So their pot of keys continues to
grow as the activity grows with each

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of their owners within Third Home.

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Steve: Have you seen a lot of short
term rental operators use this to for

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business development with homeowners?

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And if you have, how's the success been?

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And then as a second and follow up
question does it have you seen or do you

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have any data on how being with 3rd home
or, an operator using 3rd home makes

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properties more sticky in their inventory?

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Rowdy: Sure.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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We're we currently have
over 40 vacation rental.

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Partnerships within our organization,
and that's on a global scale.

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There's close to 200 affiliate
partnerships globally  include, everywhere

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from yacht brokerages to hotelers, the
developers, you name it in the VRM space.

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It's a fantastic fit for a lot of
different reasons, but for two it's

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guilt free and risk free, right?

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You're leveraging an asset.

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You're the owners under management are
leveraging an asset that they already own.

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So it's not a, an ask by
your your franchisees.

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It's a gift.

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It's an add on to their current package
of services that they have the right.

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As an affiliate to offer at no cost.

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No cost to the franchisee
and no cost to the homeowner.

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Once they're in, trust me, these
owners of homes are going to love it

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because they're not paying rent to use
these properties and they're paying

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a very low booking fee to 3rd home
to ensure that trip is both there.

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The homes are clean and ready to roll,
but we're also ensure those stays with

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that with the revenue that fee produces
the real flexibility is in the increase

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in travel flexibility for that homeowner.

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And let's say a franchisee you
have is managing 50 to 100 homes.

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Well, the good percentage of
those homeowners likely for a

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good percent of those homeowners,
that home might be one of one.

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It might be one of two second homes they
own, but they continue to utilize that

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destination and that property because
they fell in love with it at some point.

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It's an emotional asset for them.

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Third home adds to that.

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It doesn't decrease that, but allows
them the flexibility to take time that

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they would have used themselves For owner
block travel to that property and exchange

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it into properties all over the world.

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Anytime of the year, they wish as often
during the year as they wish, as long

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as they have enough keys to do so.

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Right.

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So there's definitely a recruiting
positive here for your franchisees.

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They're offering an add on to their
property management agreement that says,

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join us, we're different from others.

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We have an incredible incentive for you
to take advantage of from the day one

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that you join our management services.

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It's also a great retention tool for
those already under management because

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this can simply be gifted to those
homeowners right off the bat as a one off.

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for staying with us.

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Thank you for, being part
of the Costco family.

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Here's a membership by a third home
through the affiliate partnership

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that we've just negotiated.

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Steve: So, Roddy, tell me about how
our partners signed up for the service.

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Rowdy: Essentially Costco International
your master account as a brand will have

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already has a master account set up and
with that master account, we have set

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up a custom URL, a landing page, if you
will, excuse me, that allows recruitment

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to occur directly in and through
our back office for you for Costco.

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You're helping us recruit franchisees
within your your family here and

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offering this to them to then improve
their recruitment and retention model

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wherever that destination may be.

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They'll simply follow the same methodology
and take an introduction through you

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and be introduced to my team one on one.

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That can be done through that
landing page or with a simple

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email or telephone introduction.

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Once that affiliate or excuse
me, once that franchisee has had

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an introductory call we'll take
a hard look at their business.

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Where is the destination?

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Do we find it desirable?

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Do our members find it desirable?

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And as we survey our members often,
we know very well where the need

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for additional inventory should be.

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And then we take a look at the inventory,
we want to know that the invitation out to

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homeowners under management is going to be
well received that inventory is fitting.

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And if there are properties within
that inventory that may not fit the

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mold in terms of a luxury home exchange
we'll work with that franchisee to

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kind of trim down that list so that
we're only going after folks that

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both sides don't have to say no to.

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Nobody wants to be put in that
circumstance, but it's a very

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simple introduction can be done.

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Electronically can be done.

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Personally.

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We prefer personally once they're in.

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We simply on board those folks with their
own affiliate partnership agreement.

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We lay out the incentive plans that
have been negotiated by the home office

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at Costco, and we get them started.

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We provide a marketing
outline and timeline.

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We provide at no cost that franchisee
all the marketing materials and

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template messages, both print
and digital that they can use.

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And we're going to provide them with
an individual URL and landing page that

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they can embed in any message that's
relevant to their brand and the way they

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speak to their homeowners as an offer.

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A gift to those homeowners in
any way they wish to offer it.

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Those homeowners can literally follow
that link and be directed directly

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to a, a personal member experience
team member on our end, and they'll

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individually then onboard each home
within that franchise portfolio.

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Back of house you may not realize,
we're, we have a very robust personal

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team and in place and in Brentwood,
Tennessee, there's about 50 strong

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that do nothing but individual client
servicing and relationship management.

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We have a similar size office in
Marbella, Spain that handles our

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European business and another
office in the UK that does the same.

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So very well equipped both personally
and in a technical fashion to receive

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and manage your clientele very well.

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. Can I insert something real quick?

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One of the, one of the most important
pieces of, the why third home for a

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franchisee is not just the recruitment
and retention of homeowners under

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management, but something we've really
found success in over the past six

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or seven years with our partners is
recruitment and retention of employees.

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Okay.

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At my, 14 years with Natural
Retreats, we ran into the same issues.

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Hiring and retaining quality employees
and team members is one of the most

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difficult pieces of the vacation
rental industry, just like any other

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company and industry that backs it.

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So to have the ability.

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For that master account that we
talked about and by destination

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each of the franchisees master
accounts, they're earning keys, right?

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They're earning the ability
to travel as members.

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And as those keys compile in that
account, they have the right to gift.

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Those keys out in any manner.

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They feel they should to
incentivize their employees.

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And as long as someone is employed
directly under that brand destination,

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you can reward your best salesperson for
the month with a week long venture to Cabo

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or wherever it may be of choice to you.

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And you could do it as often
as your key count allows.

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So there's a fantastic benefit.

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Fantastic.

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Retention and recruitment tool for your
own business strength and your own team

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strength that I would highlight as well.

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Steve: Yeah, that's a fantastic
way to use those keys, isn't it?

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Rowdy: We think so.

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Steve: So is there a  email
that we can give them?

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. Rowdy: You're more than welcome
to reach us via email at

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chad, C H A D at thirdhome.

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com or rowdy.

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stovall S T O V A L at thirdhome.

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com.

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And we can start the process right there.

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You'll speak to one of us on the front
end from a franchisee level, and we'll

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be happy to, proceed with you from there.

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Nick: Steve, I was muted for a minute.

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If anyone wants to jump on a phone
call or send a text and like, wants

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to talk to someone right now and
ask, ask questions absolutely.

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They can give us a call.

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My phone number is 5 1 2 7 8 5 6 6 8 9.

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If someone wants to pick up the call, pick
up the phone and call or send a text, I'm

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happy to answer any questions people have.

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Yep.

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Rowdy: Same here.

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434 996 8543.

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I'm happy to take your call anytime.

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Steve: All right.

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Well, make sure to reach out to Rowdy and
chat and get on that third home program.

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Make sure to benefit your staff members,
homeowners, and even your guests.

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So thanks for coming on guys.

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Thanks a lot.

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It's the Casa cast we're so luxury.

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The Casa cast, they don't want to be us.

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The Casa cast just don't
call it in their being B

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Casa cast.

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We got Orange credo, the Casa cast, our
company's nato, the Casa cast created by.