WEBVTT NOTE This file was generated by Descript 00:00:00.789 --> 00:00:06.320 Welcome to the Soul Touched by Dogs Podcast, the show for dog lovers who 00:00:06.340 --> 00:00:12.000 see dogs not as toys or tools, but wise souls worth our respect and care. 00:00:12.580 --> 00:00:14.559 I'm an Herrmann, and I'm your host. 00:00:15.320 --> 00:00:20.560 I talk to poor some humans, people who do great work for dogs and their people. 00:00:21.099 --> 00:00:23.360 So come and join us for today's conversation. 00:00:25.746 --> 00:00:27.156 Anke: Hello and welcome, Erin. 00:00:27.346 --> 00:00:29.106 I'm very excited to have you here today. 00:00:30.036 --> 00:00:31.446 Erin: Thank you so much for having me. 00:00:32.476 --> 00:00:36.886 Anke: Well, as always, let's start with sharing with people where on 00:00:36.916 --> 00:00:40.726 this lovely earth you are and, you know, what's your business with dogs? 00:00:42.011 --> 00:00:42.471 Erin: Sure. 00:00:42.491 --> 00:00:45.871 I am in Baltimore, Maryland, which is on the East coast of 00:00:45.871 --> 00:00:50.031 the U S, uh, about an hour from Washington, DC, the nation's capital. 00:00:51.711 --> 00:00:56.481 And, uh, I'm here because I am so obsessed with dogs that it has 00:00:56.831 --> 00:00:58.511 just taken over my whole life. 00:00:58.511 --> 00:01:01.661 And I have two different dog podcasts that I do. 00:01:02.011 --> 00:01:05.991 I help run a nonprofit organization, uh, and I also have some products 00:01:05.991 --> 00:01:07.031 that I've been working on. 00:01:07.031 --> 00:01:09.751 So I'm excited to, to dive into these with you today. 00:01:10.206 --> 00:01:10.836 Anke: Oh, lovely. 00:01:10.836 --> 00:01:12.056 I can't wait. 00:01:12.086 --> 00:01:13.676 I can't wait to unpack all of that. 00:01:13.996 --> 00:01:16.496 So the totally obsessed with dogs. 00:01:16.586 --> 00:01:16.906 Yep. 00:01:17.126 --> 00:01:17.586 Get that. 00:01:17.596 --> 00:01:19.886 So how, how did you get sucked into that? 00:01:19.886 --> 00:01:23.916 Like what, like, did you grow up like this or when did you have your first dog? 00:01:23.916 --> 00:01:25.546 Or how, when did the obsession start? 00:01:26.636 --> 00:01:28.086 Erin: Well, it's kind of a funny story. 00:01:28.086 --> 00:01:31.016 I did not at all grow up with any kind of pets or animals. 00:01:31.476 --> 00:01:35.456 I was, I wouldn't go so far to say scared of them, but I didn't have a 00:01:35.456 --> 00:01:38.096 ton of great experiences with dogs. 00:01:38.136 --> 00:01:42.716 And when I met my husband, from the moment I met him, when we were dating, 00:01:42.726 --> 00:01:46.336 he kept saying he wanted to get a dog and, but he always kind of lived in these 00:01:46.336 --> 00:01:48.356 apartments where you couldn't have dogs. 00:01:48.356 --> 00:01:52.166 And so when we bought our first house, uh, he's like, you know, okay, we're 00:01:52.166 --> 00:01:57.146 getting a I, I think we lived here for like, 10 days before we brought our dog 00:01:57.326 --> 00:02:01.146 home and I was kind of reluctant about it. 00:02:01.146 --> 00:02:04.716 I, you know, I was like, not sure about this whole thing, but he 00:02:04.716 --> 00:02:08.146 had a very specific vision that he wanted a female Brindle Pitbull. 00:02:08.346 --> 00:02:10.196 And that was our first dog, Lucy. 00:02:10.466 --> 00:02:14.106 And she's actually the logo of the Believe in Dog podcast. 00:02:14.166 --> 00:02:17.986 And, uh, over the course of a couple of years, it just all changed 00:02:17.986 --> 00:02:21.606 my life, changed the direction of what I did in my spare time. 00:02:21.606 --> 00:02:25.261 And over the last 10 years, 20 years now has just completely, uh, taken over. 00:02:26.131 --> 00:02:26.631 Anke: I love that. 00:02:26.661 --> 00:02:27.091 I love that. 00:02:27.091 --> 00:02:27.511 It's funny. 00:02:27.531 --> 00:02:29.981 It's actually, I mean, apart from the husband's story, that's 00:02:29.991 --> 00:02:33.791 very much like my, I, I didn't grow up with, with a dog either. 00:02:33.801 --> 00:02:38.301 So it was when I moved to Spain 20 years ago that it was like, Ooh, finally I 00:02:38.341 --> 00:02:40.871 live in a space and I can have, yeah. 00:02:41.391 --> 00:02:41.871 So. 00:02:42.286 --> 00:02:47.716 Well, having your first dog is kind of one thing, you know, to turn it into 00:02:47.716 --> 00:02:52.996 two podcasts and non profit, like that's a whole different level of dedication. 00:02:53.576 --> 00:03:00.156 So how did you, what sparked the idea to take this further than, you 00:03:00.156 --> 00:03:01.466 know, somebody just loving their dog? 00:03:02.741 --> 00:03:07.001 Erin: So it's so interesting, right, because I didn't, I so didn't 00:03:07.001 --> 00:03:10.491 know anything about dogs that I didn't know that there's people 00:03:10.491 --> 00:03:14.901 who have a problem or a negative stereotype around pit bull type dogs. 00:03:15.411 --> 00:03:19.501 And it kind of speaks to my heart because at my heart I'm like a don't 00:03:19.511 --> 00:03:23.311 judge a book by its cover, you know, kind of misunderstood kind of thing, 00:03:23.311 --> 00:03:27.671 you know, uh, tattoos, piercing, you know, like my husband's already 00:03:27.671 --> 00:03:31.051 tattooed and, you know, but he's like the softest, hardest guy, you know. 00:03:31.551 --> 00:03:32.021 So. 00:03:32.756 --> 00:03:34.206 That just very much speaks to me. 00:03:34.206 --> 00:03:37.566 And so I kept, I couldn't, like, I couldn't believe that 00:03:37.566 --> 00:03:39.576 people didn't love these dogs. 00:03:39.576 --> 00:03:42.216 And I kept thinking, well, if they met Lucy, they would understand. 00:03:42.216 --> 00:03:47.026 And I was looking for opportunities to, you know, highlight how 00:03:47.036 --> 00:03:48.556 awesome of a dog that she was. 00:03:48.556 --> 00:03:51.136 And that was what got me started in volunteering. 00:03:51.146 --> 00:03:55.516 And there was a group of Uh, dog owners in Baltimore who would do things like 00:03:55.536 --> 00:03:59.836 pit bulls on parade where we dress our dogs up in silly costumes and 00:03:59.836 --> 00:04:03.776 walk them around, you know, the inner harbor and introduce them to people. 00:04:04.316 --> 00:04:07.856 And then through that, we kind of took our organization in a different 00:04:07.856 --> 00:04:11.946 direction where we started providing free pop up veterinary care. 00:04:12.336 --> 00:04:15.066 in under resourced communities in Baltimore. 00:04:15.096 --> 00:04:18.356 And a lot of those dogs that we're reaching were pit bull type dogs. 00:04:18.366 --> 00:04:22.256 So it was really important to us, but we help, you know, any kind of dog. 00:04:22.726 --> 00:04:27.396 Uh, and so that has just led me to so many interesting people whose 00:04:27.496 --> 00:04:29.546 lives have been changed by dogs. 00:04:29.956 --> 00:04:33.476 And when I started realizing there was all these cool stories, I'm like, 00:04:33.476 --> 00:04:35.216 everybody should know about this. 00:04:35.606 --> 00:04:39.056 And then that's kind of how it led into starting the Believe in Dog podcast. 00:04:40.296 --> 00:04:40.986 Anke: Oh, I love that. 00:04:41.046 --> 00:04:41.536 I love that. 00:04:41.776 --> 00:04:44.296 So tell people, that podcast, what's it about? 00:04:44.336 --> 00:04:45.326 Like, what's the format? 00:04:45.326 --> 00:04:48.616 So who do you talk to and what do you talk about apart from dogs, I guess? 00:04:50.246 --> 00:04:53.966 Erin: So I love a long form deep dive conversation. 00:04:53.996 --> 00:04:58.026 I'm in the car a lot, so I like having those hour long episodes. 00:04:58.041 --> 00:05:04.811 And so sometimes I'm sharing new things that I'm learning, and I'll bring 00:05:04.811 --> 00:05:08.831 somebody on, you know, that might be like a trainer or a veterinarian or 00:05:08.831 --> 00:05:12.491 somebody who has something to share, you know, tactical knowledge wise. 00:05:12.871 --> 00:05:17.121 And then sometimes it's just people who are doing really cool things in the world 00:05:17.121 --> 00:05:21.851 with their dogs, whether it's writing a book or starting a nonprofit organization 00:05:21.851 --> 00:05:25.311 or something, and kind of really hearing the story of how this dog developed 00:05:25.371 --> 00:05:29.381 Dog came into their life and you know, they started going off in a different 00:05:29.381 --> 00:05:31.171 direction that they never envisioned. 00:05:31.181 --> 00:05:36.191 And so I, I really liked having that kind of mix of, you know, both learning 00:05:36.201 --> 00:05:38.361 and like kind of heartfelt stories. 00:05:39.221 --> 00:05:39.561 Anke: Yeah. 00:05:39.571 --> 00:05:40.054 I love that. 00:05:40.054 --> 00:05:40.591 I love that. 00:05:40.971 --> 00:05:48.161 So, so if, if you had to sum up the core, like call it the essence of 00:05:48.161 --> 00:05:51.061 the message, like what's the, what's the, what's the, you know, what's 00:05:51.081 --> 00:05:52.711 the core you want to communicate? 00:05:52.711 --> 00:05:55.701 Like, say the, like where I'm coming from is like, for me, it's like, 00:05:58.251 --> 00:05:59.421 you know, kindness first. 00:06:00.211 --> 00:06:04.571 You know, because like, let's just look at dogs differently. 00:06:04.581 --> 00:06:08.971 Not, they're not a toy, they're not toys for the kids, they're not the tool, you 00:06:08.971 --> 00:06:13.671 know, like they have so much to teach us, you know, and to kind of actually 00:06:13.671 --> 00:06:15.231 almost discover our own kindness. 00:06:15.976 --> 00:06:20.296 Through giving it to them and respecting them for what they are, you know? 00:06:20.296 --> 00:06:24.646 So that's kind of what I wanna, you know, kind of communicate and amplify, 00:06:24.826 --> 00:06:26.386 you know, basically bringing people on. 00:06:26.536 --> 00:06:31.276 So if you were to summarize the core message of, of your podcast or 00:06:31.276 --> 00:06:32.776 your, your work, what would that be? 00:06:33.516 --> 00:06:34.926 Erin: Well, I always say that dogs. 00:06:35.301 --> 00:06:39.511 can show up in our lives as healers, as teachers, and as inspirations. 00:06:39.991 --> 00:06:43.351 And so I like to kind of share a mix of those different kinds of 00:06:43.351 --> 00:06:47.531 stories as well as sharing what that has looked like in my life as well. 00:06:48.961 --> 00:06:50.441 Anke: So do you want to give a little glimpse of that? 00:06:51.341 --> 00:06:52.061 One of those? 00:06:53.111 --> 00:06:59.451 Erin: Sure, so I'm actually a five year breast cancer survivor and having my 00:06:59.451 --> 00:07:05.671 dogs in my life was just so incredibly healing and important at that time. 00:07:06.016 --> 00:07:10.846 It was such a surprise, you know, I have always said as a joke, because 00:07:10.846 --> 00:07:12.076 you have to laugh sometimes, right? 00:07:12.076 --> 00:07:14.826 Like, we're a heart attack family, not a cancer family. 00:07:14.836 --> 00:07:17.966 Like, I didn't know how to approach this. 00:07:18.106 --> 00:07:22.026 It was, it so caught me out of the blue and was just such a shock. 00:07:22.026 --> 00:07:27.736 And so, you know, Having my dog, I have my best girl Penny at that time, and to 00:07:27.736 --> 00:07:33.426 just be able to get in the car with her and watch her stick her head out the 00:07:33.426 --> 00:07:39.276 window while I'm cranking some 90s rock and just driving around, you know, just 00:07:39.276 --> 00:07:43.946 kind of helped me, you know, process my emotions, help me stay in the moment. 00:07:44.546 --> 00:07:49.196 Um, and when I was physically not feeling well after chemo and things 00:07:49.196 --> 00:07:53.406 like that, you know, she was right there alongside of me for that also. 00:07:53.406 --> 00:07:56.846 And, uh, I'm just so grateful, you know, for both of my dogs. 00:07:56.856 --> 00:08:00.806 Sometimes, they can just bring comfort without even having to say anything. 00:08:00.806 --> 00:08:03.766 Whereas people, I start feeling pressure to be like, no, I'm okay. 00:08:04.266 --> 00:08:04.896 Everything's fine. 00:08:04.906 --> 00:08:05.196 You know? 00:08:06.216 --> 00:08:07.906 And so they just kind of let you be. 00:08:08.936 --> 00:08:09.226 Anke: Yeah. 00:08:09.236 --> 00:08:10.526 That's, that's so true. 00:08:11.166 --> 00:08:12.246 And they get you, right? 00:08:12.246 --> 00:08:13.206 You can't trick a dog. 00:08:13.206 --> 00:08:15.178 I always say like, you can trick a person. 00:08:15.178 --> 00:08:17.706 You can't, you can't trick a, you can't trick a dog. 00:08:18.246 --> 00:08:18.636 Yeah. 00:08:18.746 --> 00:08:24.866 So, and you, you, I mean, I can't help it. 00:08:24.866 --> 00:08:30.466 I I'm curious in a, like, You just mentioned before we started recording 00:08:30.496 --> 00:08:36.386 that you're working on, on, um, you know, on, on a way for people to even like, 00:08:37.126 --> 00:08:40.216 track what's going on with the animals, because I think the tracking piece, 00:08:40.216 --> 00:08:41.696 especially like in the health context. 00:08:42.116 --> 00:08:46.076 Like it's a, it's big, you know, so tell me a little bit about that, we'll, 00:08:46.106 --> 00:08:49.696 we'll dig into that in a, in a different episode, but just touch on that. 00:08:50.546 --> 00:08:51.026 Erin: Sure. 00:08:51.056 --> 00:08:53.936 So I created something I call the Dog Health Journal. 00:08:54.196 --> 00:08:57.756 And right now it's a PDF download, but I'm working on a new way to do it 00:08:57.756 --> 00:08:58.996 that I think is going to be awesome. 00:08:59.496 --> 00:09:06.506 Uh, and it was born out of my frustrations and this whole saga with my girl Penny. 00:09:06.936 --> 00:09:07.486 And. 00:09:08.211 --> 00:09:11.751 She, you know, she had these allergies, she had these red itchy feet, and my 00:09:11.751 --> 00:09:16.511 vet would be like, okay, try green tea soaks or Epsom foot soaks, and we're 00:09:16.511 --> 00:09:18.421 going to try this herb and that herb. 00:09:18.681 --> 00:09:21.961 And she would have all these sores, you know, on her feet and be looking at, and 00:09:21.961 --> 00:09:26.221 so I was trying to look for this way to, you know, quantify what we were doing. 00:09:26.221 --> 00:09:28.281 Like, I don't know, how do I know if that's working? 00:09:28.361 --> 00:09:32.541 I need to count up these sores and, you know, and I was, I would play around 00:09:32.551 --> 00:09:34.331 with like a template for something and. 00:09:35.426 --> 00:09:39.686 So I finally just hired a graphic designer to, like, create what I was looking for 00:09:39.986 --> 00:09:44.216 to track, you know, things like their food intake and what supplements they're 00:09:44.216 --> 00:09:49.156 getting each day and how much exercise, you know, they're getting and, uh, if I, 00:09:49.316 --> 00:09:54.006 like, we had, um, a dog sitter, so if I needed a way to, like, leave notes for the 00:09:54.006 --> 00:09:57.786 dog sitter about, like, how to do this and she could write something back to me, you 00:09:57.786 --> 00:09:59.266 know, and it's kind of all in one place. 00:09:59.751 --> 00:09:59.981 place. 00:10:00.001 --> 00:10:03.181 And I was just, it was just sort of born out of all this. 00:10:03.181 --> 00:10:06.991 And when my vet saw it, she's like, Oh my God, I wish all of my clients did this. 00:10:06.991 --> 00:10:09.761 Like, you know, you need to make this available for other people. 00:10:09.761 --> 00:10:13.751 And even things like water and, you know, the, the pee and poop, 00:10:14.201 --> 00:10:15.826 you know, things like that. 00:10:16.366 --> 00:10:18.606 Anke: Yeah, I love, I love that because it is so true, right? 00:10:18.606 --> 00:10:21.636 Because, because you make some changes and then like, how do you 00:10:21.676 --> 00:10:22.956 know whether that's worked, right? 00:10:23.576 --> 00:10:26.526 Especially the stuff that isn't just like today I eat this and 00:10:26.526 --> 00:10:30.226 tomorrow I can see the results, especially with the things that, that. 00:10:30.246 --> 00:10:31.326 Right, when you're making those 00:10:31.326 --> 00:10:34.666 Erin: diet changes, you know, it can take a couple of weeks and, you know, and 00:10:34.666 --> 00:10:36.086 then you're like, when did I start that? 00:10:36.086 --> 00:10:36.426 I don't know. 00:10:38.106 --> 00:10:41.596 Anke: I think, I think you, you know, I think we almost need like 00:10:41.596 --> 00:10:43.576 the human and the dog version of it. 00:10:43.626 --> 00:10:44.096 Erin: Yeah. 00:10:46.306 --> 00:10:48.246 It's on my list of, it's on my to do list. 00:10:48.666 --> 00:10:51.063 Anke: Oh, so it's on your project list, right? 00:10:51.063 --> 00:10:53.978 Oh, that But it actually helped, it actually 00:10:53.978 --> 00:11:00.426 Erin: helped me save my dog Penny's hearing, because she had an ear 00:11:00.426 --> 00:11:05.026 infection, and we started using this medication in her ears, it's a really 00:11:05.026 --> 00:11:10.576 common ear medication, and like a couple days later, I came home, and she 00:11:10.596 --> 00:11:12.496 didn't get up to greet me at the door. 00:11:12.926 --> 00:11:15.746 And then, you know, the mailman came, and she would always bark 00:11:15.746 --> 00:11:19.866 at him when the mailbox, you know, clanged, and she just slept right 00:11:19.866 --> 00:11:23.336 through it, and all of a sudden I realized she wasn't hearing things. 00:11:23.336 --> 00:11:27.436 And so when I was able to look at my notes and see, oh, we just started 00:11:27.436 --> 00:11:29.916 this ear medication 48 hours ago. 00:11:30.366 --> 00:11:31.946 Could this be affecting her hearing? 00:11:31.956 --> 00:11:36.566 And it turns out, yes, in a very small percentage of dogs, there's an ototoxicity 00:11:36.576 --> 00:11:41.206 reaction to common ear medications that can make them lose their hearing. 00:11:41.556 --> 00:11:45.566 And so because we caught it so quickly, she did eventually 00:11:45.566 --> 00:11:47.496 regain some of her hearing. 00:11:48.236 --> 00:11:48.616 Anke: Wow. 00:11:48.626 --> 00:11:49.616 That is incredible. 00:11:49.616 --> 00:11:53.806 Like that's like that alone is already like makes this more than worth it. 00:11:53.806 --> 00:11:54.086 Right. 00:11:54.396 --> 00:11:58.706 It's such a powerful story, you know, because it's. 00:11:59.236 --> 00:12:03.026 It's just something that's so easy to overlook and, and when you, and I don't 00:12:03.026 --> 00:12:06.676 know, like, I have no sense of time, like, you know, it's like, I think, oh 00:12:06.696 --> 00:12:09.516 yeah, we just started that yesterday and it was like three months ago, kind 00:12:09.516 --> 00:12:11.416 of thing, kind of thing to document. 00:12:11.416 --> 00:12:15.656 It definitely, definitely makes, makes all the sense in the world. 00:12:15.936 --> 00:12:16.266 And humor. 00:12:17.576 --> 00:12:19.506 You know, I just love all the stuff you do with dogs. 00:12:19.556 --> 00:12:23.366 Like, there's like, it seems like, do you have time for anything else? 00:12:24.176 --> 00:12:26.346 Because you have other Well, I actually do have a full 00:12:26.346 --> 00:12:27.126 Erin: time job. 00:12:28.316 --> 00:12:30.426 Anke: Like, maybe like, that would be an interesting topic. 00:12:30.426 --> 00:12:31.686 Like, how to fit it all in. 00:12:32.306 --> 00:12:33.346 It's always like, you know. 00:12:34.256 --> 00:12:37.116 Take your passion and do something with it, but like you're taking 00:12:37.116 --> 00:12:38.156 this to a whole new level. 00:12:38.626 --> 00:12:41.146 So, so you've got another podcast as well. 00:12:41.756 --> 00:12:44.206 Erin: Yes, it's called The Alternative Dog Moms. 00:12:44.236 --> 00:12:49.626 I actually partner with a really kind of famous dog blogger named Kimberly Gaudier. 00:12:50.031 --> 00:12:54.881 And so we, like, really nerd out on the health things and talking to, you know, 00:12:54.881 --> 00:12:58.861 holistic and alternative practitioners and learning about things like 00:12:58.861 --> 00:13:04.251 homeopathy or, uh, traditional Chinese veterinary medicine and things like that. 00:13:04.571 --> 00:13:07.591 And we've gotten to talk to some amazing people like, uh, Dr. 00:13:07.621 --> 00:13:09.241 Ian Billinghurst and Dr. 00:13:09.241 --> 00:13:10.301 Barbara Royal. 00:13:10.621 --> 00:13:12.851 And it's just been so much fun. 00:13:12.851 --> 00:13:15.661 And I, I really get into the, the nerdy health stuff. 00:13:18.861 --> 00:13:19.411 Anke: I love that. 00:13:19.441 --> 00:13:19.801 I love that. 00:13:20.011 --> 00:13:23.361 I must say, I must say, like this podcast has been like this for me as well. 00:13:23.361 --> 00:13:25.011 Like you get to talk to all these amazing people. 00:13:25.251 --> 00:13:27.021 It's like you learn so much. 00:13:27.721 --> 00:13:32.031 You learn a lot in the process and it's, it's incredibly inspiring to 00:13:32.031 --> 00:13:35.991 see how many people actually do really great work with, you know, with dogs. 00:13:36.291 --> 00:13:36.711 So, um, yeah. 00:13:37.081 --> 00:13:41.281 Apart from the, from the, from the journal, like, do you have something 00:13:41.281 --> 00:13:43.081 else on your massive bucket list? 00:13:43.401 --> 00:13:47.941 Like, something that you're working on or that you've got going on, or 00:13:47.951 --> 00:13:49.951 on the, on the, on the, on the plan? 00:13:50.951 --> 00:13:54.701 Erin: Oh my gosh, well, I have a list of, posted here next to me of, 00:13:54.711 --> 00:13:59.616 like, 10 different t shirt designs that I have various work, you 00:13:59.616 --> 00:14:01.296 know, working on in various stages. 00:14:01.606 --> 00:14:05.816 And so that's one of my goals for the summer is to get that t shirt store 00:14:05.816 --> 00:14:08.946 launch, you know, t shirt stickers, you know, all the things like that. 00:14:09.346 --> 00:14:12.276 Uh, ones that I haven't seen before that I'm excited about. 00:14:13.166 --> 00:14:17.296 Anke: Ooh, like, look, see, I've got like these old Fetch by Docs t shirts. 00:14:17.336 --> 00:14:22.386 Like, I'm on the, on the mugs and t shirt bandwagon as well. 00:14:22.456 --> 00:14:24.586 So that's, so what, what is the day job 00:14:25.806 --> 00:14:27.486 Erin: I actually work as a paralegal. 00:14:28.216 --> 00:14:30.876 Anke: Okay, I was just thinking, like, how do you have experience 00:14:30.876 --> 00:14:35.306 with everything that's going on? 00:14:36.526 --> 00:14:37.246 That's fascinating. 00:14:37.266 --> 00:14:40.946 Did you see, like, a crossover, something where the two worlds meet? 00:14:42.061 --> 00:14:45.501 Erin: Well, it takes a lot of organization skills, number one. 00:14:45.521 --> 00:14:49.381 And number two, uh, you know, seeing projects from, you 00:14:49.381 --> 00:14:51.231 know, a thought until finished. 00:14:51.551 --> 00:14:55.061 And the specific type of work that I do, we actually do a lot 00:14:55.061 --> 00:14:56.781 of medical journal research. 00:14:57.051 --> 00:15:00.531 And so that's actually kind of what introduced me to, you know, 00:15:00.541 --> 00:15:02.051 how to do your own research. 00:15:02.051 --> 00:15:06.501 And, you know, use things like PubMed and, you know, work with, Um, you know, at 00:15:06.501 --> 00:15:10.731 my day job, we work with a lot of expert doctors and expert witnesses and stuff. 00:15:10.731 --> 00:15:13.731 So I think, uh, some of it's all kind of, you know, blended 00:15:13.731 --> 00:15:15.271 together in the dog world also. 00:15:15.691 --> 00:15:16.301 Anke: I love that. 00:15:16.301 --> 00:15:16.771 I love that. 00:15:17.031 --> 00:15:20.331 Like, I think that's where we do the magic is when you bring two worlds together 00:15:20.451 --> 00:15:23.361 in an unusual, unusual kind of way. 00:15:23.541 --> 00:15:23.941 Yeah. 00:15:23.941 --> 00:15:24.371 That's, that's great. 00:15:24.371 --> 00:15:26.367 Fascinating, for sure, for sure. 00:15:26.367 --> 00:15:32.355 So, where can people go and, you know, find out about you and, you know, 00:15:32.355 --> 00:15:38.131 because I think there's, there's so many questions people could come to 00:15:38.131 --> 00:15:43.301 you with, because you've been on this massive journey and have spoken to so 00:15:43.301 --> 00:15:46.781 many different people, because sometimes it's not only just, you may have the 00:15:46.881 --> 00:15:50.511 answer, you might know somebody who is actually perfect for it, right? 00:15:51.411 --> 00:15:54.751 Erin: I feel like my brain is a clearinghouse for where to start solving 00:15:54.761 --> 00:15:56.341 all different kinds of problems, you know. 00:15:57.831 --> 00:16:02.811 But yeah, I'm most active on Instagram as Erin the Dog Mom and then through 00:16:02.811 --> 00:16:06.701 my website, the Believe in Dog Podcast dot com, which links to 00:16:06.711 --> 00:16:08.361 everything else that I'm doing as well. 00:16:09.401 --> 00:16:09.841 Anke: I love that. 00:16:09.851 --> 00:16:11.461 So we're obviously following the links. 00:16:12.641 --> 00:16:15.701 below the video if you're watching and in the show notes, 00:16:15.761 --> 00:16:16.851 obviously, if you're listening. 00:16:17.291 --> 00:16:20.381 So you can have a chance to get in touch with Erin. 00:16:20.391 --> 00:16:21.441 Well, thank you so much. 00:16:21.461 --> 00:16:24.051 It's like, it feels like we just scratched the surface. 00:16:24.711 --> 00:16:28.841 So we definitely have to have you back to talk about, I think I'm 00:16:29.031 --> 00:16:32.081 kind of really curious to dig in more into the alternative health 00:16:32.161 --> 00:16:35.956 kind of, you know, what, what you've learned and you know, and how you're 00:16:35.956 --> 00:16:37.666 going with the, with the journal. 00:16:37.696 --> 00:16:40.776 So when that's out, you know, I think we're going to, we're back 00:16:40.776 --> 00:16:42.336 and really diving into that topic. 00:16:42.336 --> 00:16:46.576 So for now, thank you so much for coming and sharing your passion. 00:16:46.616 --> 00:16:48.876 And, um, can't wait to get you back again. 00:16:49.706 --> 00:16:50.056 Erin: Thank you. 00:16:50.056 --> 00:16:50.986 This was so much fun. 00:16:50.986 --> 00:16:52.046 Appreciate your time. 00:16:53.827 --> 00:16:55.057 Thanks so much for listening. 00:16:55.577 --> 00:16:59.877 If you enjoyed the episode, don't forget to subscribe, and leave a review so 00:16:59.977 --> 00:17:01.757 other dog lovers can find the show. 00:17:02.547 --> 00:17:06.037 If you haven't already, head over to soul touched by dogs. 00:17:06.467 --> 00:17:12.037 com and sign up for weekly doggy cuteness tips, recommendations, and personal 00:17:12.137 --> 00:17:14.507 stories to warm your dog loving heart. 00:17:14.507 --> 00:17:18.237 And if you know a pawsome human you think I should interview, 00:17:18.657 --> 00:17:19.797 I'd love an introduction. 00:17:20.277 --> 00:17:22.107 Email me at Anke. 00:17:22.377 --> 00:17:26.612 That's A N k E at Soul touched by dogs.com.