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Welcome back.
We've been gone for a little longer this time.
A little bit longer than usual.
And the reason being.
Oh, my God.
I swear I didn't do that on purpose.
I was a little sick last week.
I swear I did not do that on purpose.
My voice might still be a little off today, but I'm like 95 percent good.
Well, that's good.
I'm definitely not sick, but I know.
A lot of people around me are sick, so I'm really, really trying to avoid getting
sick.
I'm really trying to avoid getting COVID again, because it's going around like the
flu real bad.
Is that what you had?
No, well, I didn't check, but I've had COVID a few times and I always got real a
lot of muscle aches when I got COVID.
This just felt like this just felt like the plainest, most normal cold I've ever
had.
Like, it wasn't pleasant, but it was.
Yep, I'm sneezing.
Yep, I have a light sore throat.
Yep, I'm a little tired.
And that's that was it.
Yeah, I remember COVID, but I haven't had like when I have COVID, I had COVID about
eight months ago, I think, in April.
And I remember the muscle aches.
That was the worst and the shivers.
And I was in complete denial.
I told my wife, it's probably just a really bad summer cold or something.
And she's like, no, it's not a cold.
It can't be a cold.
And she's super paranoid and always checks, you know, does these little tests
to make sure that we don't have COVID like, unless we're going somewhere.
So they won't like get anyone sick or, you know, anything like that.
Infect anyone.
And they're always negative.
Like the tests were always negative.
And she's like, just do a test.
I was like, I don't have to do a stupid test.
And then I did a test and lo and behold, it was COVID.
So now I'm super paranoid.
You got to love doing those no swabs, right?
I got the vaccine and I still got it.
Yeah, but yeah, those are really painful.
I've heard our COVID numbers are going up, but the real scary thing going around town
here is there's a stomach bug going around that lasts like a week.
Oh, I've had a friend like living in misery for like a week.
Like he's been living, basically living in a bathroom for a week.
It's terrible.
Yeah, it's that time of year again.
Yeah.
Although segueing into the weather, the reason it is that time of year where
everyone gets sick is because everyone gets together for the holidays and it's
cold outside.
We are still like in nice, you know, high of low 50s weather here every day, and
it's every day on the upcoming forecast.
It's so bizarre.
So the weather here has been...
I don't know how to describe it.
I mean, very average, very normal.
So I live in the North, as most people know, and it's pretty wet.
So it just rains.
It rains all the time.
It's been raining a lot for like the past three or four weeks.
We did get snow, an inch of snow, which honestly was actually a lot.
It made the news.
So we got like an inch or two of snow and it was gone like three or four days later.
They predicted we were going to get like six or seven or eight inches.
Obviously we didn't.
Um, but it's a lot worse in the South.
Um, so like in Stuttgart and Bavaria and whatnot.
Um, and like in Switzerland, like they got hit real bad with snow.
Obviously they need snow cause it's where a lot of people go for skiing, but up here
in the North there's just rain, you know, as far as the eye can see, uh, and no
sunshine.
It's pretty gray actually.
So everyone's leaving for the.
for the holidays to go to like Spain or something.
It's it's weird because I'm still working remote in the company I work for is based
out of Florida.
So I'll like I saw like somebody's profile picture the other day on their email
account.
And it's just like their face.
But in the background, you just see like bright sunshine, water, boats.
And I'm like, yeah, that sounds nice right now.
Even though it's not miserable here, it is just a little gray every day.
This has been like the most global warming-y December I've ever seen in my
life in Montana.
It's bizarre.
Yeah, I really wish we would have snow for winter.
Or, sorry, yes, for winter, but I mean for Christmas, because that's right around the
corner.
I don't think we're gonna get snow.
I haven't had a white winter in like ever.
No, that's a lie.
I had it once when I was like 12.
But other than that, just rain.
I mean...
I'm okay.
I recognize it's a sign of a much bigger problem, but I'm okay with it, especially
because, and I can't remember if I've mentioned this, but I'm moving in about
like two weeks.
So I can't really say I want to carry furniture and stuff through a bunch of
snow.
Yeah, yeah, I can understand that.
Yeah, so I won't lie, when this weather started, like,
being the weird way it's been for like the last month and a half, part of me was
like, oh, it'd be kind of funny if it just stayed this way all the way until I moved.
And then it has, which is very abnormal for this area.
Yeah.
So that's pretty much the weather report for like the past three weeks.
So, but what's our topic for today?
Well, our topic is basically a recap because, uh,
partly due to me moving in about two weeks, and partly just because we haven't
done it in a while.
We're about to go on break.
We're gonna officially cap the season of episodes.
So we're just gonna kind of talk about the season.
There's a couple topics we're gonna do updates on and recaps on, but for the most
part, this is just looking back at what we've done and looking ahead at where
we're going.
Yeah, so I mean, it's been a really long season.
I don't even know how to call it a season.
because it has so many episodes.
And generally, I imagine seasons being a lot shorter.
We've done, I think, 42 episodes in this season.
And funny enough, I got a message a couple of days ago from the podcast host.
So we've been on air for three years, I think, now.
So give or take a month or two, which I think is a long time.
At least long for me.
Uh, yeah, we've been.
It's it's been fun to look back and see exactly how much we've done.
When I was kind of perusing our back catalog over the last week or so to see
what we need to talk about and kind of where we what this season is, where it
started.
I kept scrolling and I wasn't seeing any gaps anywhere.
There were a couple short ones that Chris had to point out to me, but because I had
thought we had taken
like two to three month breaks here and there, which I guess I just completely
made up in my mind.
We took month breaks at the most, but we've been pretty constant, more so than I
thought.
Yeah, definitely.
No, we've taken breaks here and there just because life gets in the way.
But no, we've never really taken like a super long break, especially not for the
holidays, which are right around the corner.
I don't have anything super special planned other than, you know, just buying
tree, buying gifts, you know, eating all that kind of stuff.
But, uh, yeah, I am actually ahead of things this year.
And unless I forgot someone on my list, you know, knock on wood, I should have all
of my gifts bought.
I got a bunch wrapped yesterday and the rest are coming in the mail.
Yeah, I gotta order all of them.
But it's just usually me and my wife, we buy gifts for each other, so it's honestly
a relatively short list, and it's something I can do pretty quickly.
I did read an article the other day saying that the average person, at least in
Germany, I don't know about the US, but the average person spends around $600 on
Christmas gifts.
Did you spend that much?
It has to be done anyway, but.
Yeah, I mean, I bought gifts for 13 people.
Oh, so that's probably about right.
Yeah, I don't know if I'm going to spend that much money.
Maybe like 100 or two, we'll see.
Yeah.
And that was in this year, 13 people is a very small list for me.
Usually it's more.
So I kind of appreciated the easier Christmas because I usually get really, I
don't know if I've mentioned this before, I usually get really stressed out over
Christmas.
Like I start dreading Christmas shopping in like June, which is not healthy at all.
That's what I do.
Yeah, that's, yeah, that is pretty unhealthy, stressing about Christmas
shopping in June and July.
But that's when most of like the Christmas music starts.
There's that meme with what's her name, Mariah Carey.
Will they start to like unthaw her?
Yep.
Come like August.
You know what?
Thankfully at least in the US with Halloween being such a big deal, they have
to wait till November.
They have to.
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
That's true.
Yeah, I do miss Halloween.
Wouldn't buy pretty fast and so did Thanksgiving.
But Black Friday was here and I didn't buy anything for Christmas.
I don't know.
Did you use Black Friday for your Christmas gifts?
No, I only ever use Black Friday for myself because I'm not put enough together
on Christmas shopping to be that far.
I usually don't even have my list made.
I bought a TV for my new place.
I ordered a 75 inch 4K TV, which is sitting, has been sitting in my dad's
garage for like three weeks at this point because there's really nowhere to put it
until I move.
I wouldn't even know what to do with a TV like that.
I mean, I bought like an HDTV like 10 years ago and that's the only one I use.
I mean, I'm excited.
This thing weighs like 120 pounds.
I bought like,
the best TV mount on the market.
It's like a heavy duty, 125 pound rated thing.
It like swivels out.
You can bend the TV at any angle.
I'm going to put it in my living room, going to be able to see it from my kitchen
while I'm cooking.
I'm very excited for it.
That's awesome.
Yeah, and this and this last season or actually in the current season, which will
be less, we'd spent a lot talking about buying stuff like Black Friday or like Los
leaders.
It's the most American thing you can do.
Yeah, like capitalism in general.
So we spent like a lot of time just talking about money.
And I think that's become more important than ever, especially since all the wars,
especially the war in Europe, like Ukraine and whatnot, where everything's just
become so expensive.
So I've had to cut back on luxury items, so to speak.
But for the most part, things have been kind of typical, I would say.
But for me, it was a little bit weird
you like I always hear from my parents yeah you know when I was your age things
were a lot cheaper and then like slowly things become like more and more expensive
over time but you never really notice it because it just kind of creeps up on you
whereas like with the war when it happened just like overnight everything just became
super expensive like I had to pay like 40% more in gas like 20% more for bread like
20% more for like electricity just like overnight everything became
And now it's slowly starting to go back to like pre-war levels.
But I mean, it's still pretty high.
So definitely being more conscious about like where I buy stuff and like how much I
buy.
Um, I know that we had mentioned talking like ethically, like buying ethically.
Um, I try to do that.
It's hard.
It's really hard.
Um.
Not because like I'm an unethical person.
I would consider myself to be an ethical person.
But honestly, I think everyone would say that about themselves.
But it's hard buying ethically because now, like all the fair trade products and
organic things, they're even more expensive than they were before.
You know, so like a regular gallon of milk here, I think is what is like two or three
dollars, maybe, maybe a little bit more.
And if you buy it like organically, like organic milk, or whatever you want to call
it, then it's like twice that.
So it's really hard to buy all that stuff because it's just way too much money.
Well, you know, there's the old standby.
There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
I think as a whole, that's a little bit too doomer for me.
Like I try to be a little bit better because it's true.
It's an absolute true statement.
But at the same time, I, I try to not give my money to like super blatantly evil
people that make it clear.
They like hate me or other people, you know?
But at the same time, there is no, there is no version of you buying a smartphone
or most electronics where it's ethically sourced, you know?
It's, it's just not a thing.
Yeah, I have to agree with you.
Um,
And I've come to accept that.
Because if you dig deep enough, you're always going to find skeletons in
someone's closet.
And I think my position is to do my best to minimize my impact or harm where I can.
Although I must admit it is rather limited and imperfect, but I try, you know?
Yeah.
I mean- Like black fri- go on.
I was just going to say realistically.
It's something we do to make ourselves feel better than anything and you need
some sort of organized action for it to actually matter.
Um, but we, yeah, feeling better about yourself is not worthless.
I mean, that's true.
I think it's more for the self than anything else.
Um, I think that's one of the biggest problems, uh, nowadays is it makes you
it makes you feel good, whether or not it has an impact, I think is secondary for a
lot of people.
You know, it feels like you're doing something, so you must be doing something
good.
But yeah, you know, you do what you can.
Yeah.
But I'll admit, like I going back to that TV I just bought.
So I spent.
On Black Friday weekend, I spent, you know, about an hour, hour and a half
researching like all the TVs on the market, and I landed on this brand and in
the specific model.
And everyone was like, you know, it's not the best TV on the market, but for the
price point, it's.
kind of shocking how much you're getting for this price point.
You know, it's really good.
And I looked a little farther into it like, oh, well, I kind of see the
unethical reasons why you're getting so much at this price point.
And, you know, again, it's not that much worse than most of them, because, again,
there's really no real ethical option for most electronics.
But it's, you know, I made the purchase.
I didn't feel good about it, but I made the purchase.
Yeah, I mean, it's not that we're not trying to make anyone feel guilty about
like what they're buying like for example I just try to buy less.
Um I definitely have been trying to buy less on amazon and I have I have succeeded
um, I have the stats to prove it but Um, like when black friday rolled around
people were like did you buy this?
Did you buy that?
Did you know look for these options?
Did you look for like these deals?
And you know what they say is if you spend nothing then you save 100 percent So I
didn't buy anything because I didn't need anything
But it was very tempting because everything was 50% off.
So I really wanted to buy like a Kindle scribe, whatever it's called.
And it was marked down 200 something dollars.
I was like, well, that's a really good deal.
But I don't actually need it.
I just want it because it's cheap.
And so those are like the traps I try to avoid is like buying stuff just to buy
stuff.
But if you're actually going to use it, if it's actually going to be in your
possession for a long time.
then I think it's okay.
Yeah, you know, at the risk of lingering on this recap topic too long, that's
something I'm actually kind of worried about moving.
So like last night, I was over at my parents and we were talking about, cause
they're, I think I've talked about this before, but they're remodeling it with me
and I'm gonna buy it from them and so the whole process.
So we were talking, excuse me, we were talking about getting internet set up and
I was looking at the available packages in my area and I was like, oh,
I'm going to need to buy a router.
So, you know, I talk with some friends who know more about that than I do.
They said, buy this one.
So I bought it.
I'm going to need a router.
There's no question about that.
Part of me wonders if because I'm in that phase where I'm just going to need to buy
new stuff all the time, right.
I'm moving like, oh, I don't own.
I don't own like this thing that my roommates have had.
And we've just shared forever that I can't even think of right now.
Right.
But I'm going to need it eventually.
It's going to come to me and I'm going to need it.
Eventually, I'm going to have to turn that off.
Like, do I really need?
You know, do I really need this specific kind of pan?
Do I really need?
So I'm.
I'm trying to stay aware and I'm curious how that's gonna be like to stop buying
new house things, you know
Yeah, yeah, coming to a close on that topic.
I think it was in Fight Club where they said like the things that you own
eventually own you.
So you have to be careful.
I'm definitely not really attached to a lot of stuff I have.
And so my wife and I were going to be moving soon too, hopefully.
And so we're going to have to start, you know, cleaning house, throwing things
away, and then possibly rebuying stuff we threw away because we didn't know we were
going to need them.
So it's a fine line between, do I actually need this or do I not want to throw it
away because I might need it in the future?
Just like hoarding everything.
And yeah, it's really hard.
Yeah.
Well, you know what?
I can report back on what I made that mistake with after we come back.
Like, oh, I threw out my, I threw out this thing.
Turns out I need it.
Yeah, yeah, it's a...
Something that you've never used for like 10 years and suddenly you need it But you
threw it away because you've never used it.
But yeah But there was another topic that you wanted to touch on so that we covered
there were a couple and they kind of link up So I was scrolling back and the episode
we talked about AI was January 2023 that was 11 months ago.
It feels like 20 years ago.
I See, I feel the opposite it feels like
a couple months ago.
It's been a wild 2023 for me.
But I
AI has been growing so much so fast and it's proliferation everywhere.
Like, you know, I won't pretend I know exactly what you're doing on the internet
all day, but I see AI stuff everywhere all day now.
And I have mixed feelings about it because if people are like making little images
for memes and stuff,
Mm hmm.
I mean, that's fine.
I kind of don't like it still, but it's like, look, this person was never going to
commission an artist to make a very specific meme for an in-group of like a
thousand people.
That was just not going to happen.
And they didn't have the talent to draw it to start with.
Like, it's not causing any harm.
But, man, you just get tired of like seeing it everywhere.
And it just has this.
It's the little things and I've heard artists explain it better, but it's the
little things that.
I as an artist can't really explain, but your brain notices it.
It's like shadows and light reflections off people and objects.
It's all wrong because the AI doesn't know how any of that works.
It just copies what it's seen.
But your brain notices it, so it feels all uncanny valley and wrong.
I've been noticing AI everywhere.
So when we talked about it first in January, it was still pretty new.
So chat GPT had just been released in, I think it was the end of November of 2020,
2022.
Oh yeah, I've seen, I even forgot about chat GPT.
That's how, I guess it does feel like a long time ago because that was the big
thing back then.
Yeah, so I mean, AI has been around forever, quote unquote.
So it's been around at least since like the nineties.
but it's never really been like that useful because it's always been in its
infancy up until like five or 10 years ago.
And even then it was pretty unknown.
So the majority of the people really didn't know what AI was or had never
really come into contact with it like consciously.
Like if you think about it, a lot of like our smartphones, like our devices, iPads,
like e-readers, a lot of them use
some form of artificial intelligence, but it's never really like in your face.
So you don't actually know you're interacting with it.
And so I think for the vast majority of people, chat GBT was their very first,
like interaction with quote unquote AI.
I have a huge problem with the term AI because it's neither artificial nor is it
intelligent.
But still, that's a side point.
But now it's like everywhere.
So like I think everyone and their dog, you know, has like AI and something.
Like I see it on websites all the time.
So my wife- Oh yeah, the barrier to entry is nothing.
It is, it's like, it's literally nothing.
So like my wife reads the news a lot.
And so she goes to like various websites and they have like chatbots built into
their websites and they'll give you your horoscope or they'll tell you tricks about
how to improve your love life or whatever.
or they'll retouch some of your fancy photos so that you look better for your
Tinder profile.
And it's super annoying.
It's like, it's everywhere.
And- Well, we're having full blown articles written by AI now.
They just skim information and write an article and it's not even always right.
No, it really isn't.
And the best way to know that these things are not correct is if you're a programmer.
So-
I often use like chat GPT and whatnot to help me like write programs or like to
give me advice on like certain, you know, programming algorithms and whatnot.
And I'll run the code and it won't work.
And so it just like it makes stuff up.
And so if you have no idea what it's doing, it looks correct.
And so that's the that's the beauty of like using it for coding because you have
like automatic feedback about if it's working or not.
because otherwise your program will just crash.
But you don't know that with like an article.
Like if it writes an article, like I don't know, let's say like politics, and you
know nothing about politics, then it sounds correct, but there's really no way
to like check it.
Yep.
And if I remember right, I think we talked about this in our actual episode.
There was a lawyer who had a chat GPT, right?
Like a brief and got in like huge trouble.
Such a terrible idea.
It's it's funny, though, like in one of the things I remember seeing a few months
ago in.
I can't remember where I saw it, but someone posted art and.
It wasn't it was AI assisted art.
I think the idea is you have AI like.
You basically, you know, you do the normal AI thing, you give it a bunch of prompts
and it generates an image, and then they go in and like actual edit it with like
art software or whatever they do and.
I think that's like a real gray area because obviously that takes artistic
talent, but that's not that different than having Chad GPT write you like a skeleton
program and then changing it up to what you need it to, right?
So I have kind of mixed feelings on it.
I think my whole philosophy boils down to something very simple, which is, are you
interested in like authentic connections?
because if you use these virtual reality, which we'll probably talk about virtual
reality next year, but it's related to AI.
If you're at all interested in authentic connections, then you'll know when not to
use these tools and when to use them.
If you're only interested in the end results, then I don't think it matters for
the majority of people.
So going back to your example that you mentioned like a few minutes ago, if
you're just interested in producing some funny meme,
you're not really going to go through the whole process of producing art.
You're just gonna use some cheap bot, have it produce an image and be done with it.
But if you're really interested in actually expressing your emotions,
actually making a connection with an audience, then you'll sit down and really
make an image yourself.
And there is a fine line between using tools and cheating.
And I think it's like it's very blurry at the moment with AI.
Like, where is the line?
It's not as clear cut as it used to be.
Yeah.
And, you know, and I am not an AI lover when it comes to art.
Like, I want to see, like, an individual style and like, I want to see the little
quirks and the little flourishes and the flaws, because that's all part of it.
I have seen some AI videos that I just don't think you can make without AI.
Like.
like, AI is best at uncanny valley stuff, and there have been people that have
leaned into it to make some of the most interestingly horrifying flesh morphing
things I've ever seen in my life.
And not like full on grotesque, but just like hard to describe.
And I think there's value in something like that.
Like it made me feel something and it didn't look
You know, I feel like the most lazy, you know, type prompts, be dumb with it, AI
art, all looks like it was drawn by the same person because it's just an
amalgamation of all the art it's ever stolen or scanned.
This was kind of different.
Yeah, I mean, if you think back to like the early 2000s, which was a very long
time ago, at least for us, and you think about Auto-Tune and how that entered the
market and everyone, well, everyone who was an artist.
was using auto-tune to make their voice sound better.
And even now they're still using auto-tune.
And so now it's nearly impossible to know who can actually sing, like who actually
is really good at their craft.
And it used to be, we admire these people for what they can do, for their abilities.
And it's like, if you're a really good artist, be that poetry, actual art,
painting, whatnot, or singing, we were like, oh my God, this person is great.
you know, that's what we admired them for.
Now it's kind of, are these people like really good entertainers?
So it doesn't actually matter that they can sing, it matters that they're
entertaining.
And so I think now AI is the same thing as well.
Like it doesn't actually matter if you're good or not, or are you good at selling
the illusion that you're good?
And so some people don't actually really care anymore.
I'm not an expert on AI either, I do my best to avoid it.
whatever possible.
You know, it's a trap, I would say, for the most part.
And kind of segueing into the other thing we want to talk about, but we've seen it
become, we're already seeing it become an issue in taking some people's jobs.
I can't remember, I think it's called The Finals.
There's a video, a fairly popular video game that a lot of people are criticizing
because...
all of their voice acting is AI.
But what they say they did is they got a bunch of voice actors and then had them,
give them samples, like they just recorded their voice a bunch, and then they used
that to train AI so that they could say they wanted to update the game real quick
to give this character the new line.
Then they have the flexibility of they don't have to call that person back, they
can just.
have the bot they trained to steal to take their voice to say whatever they want.
I really don't like that.
I understand the logistical benefits, but I don't want like the uncanny like good
voice acting is really good voice acting like good voice acting can turn an okay
product into like something amazing.
I just do not want to lose that.
I don't even want
Just a the tip of the iceberg and we've only the beginning of going down that road
But I just want to squash that now and not give anyone else any ideas That is crazy.
I didn't know that I do know that I do know that they're doing that for movies,
which I think is something you also wanted to touch on where They'll just have the
actors come in for a day or two have that recorded and
all possible variations and then pay them 100 bucks or something and be done with
it.
And basically they have their own virtual cash cow.
Yeah, you know what?
And this is my mistake.
I looked up the results of the exact results of the writer's strike before we
started.
I forgot to look up the actor's strike.
But a big part of the writer's strike was AI as well, because like we were saying,
there's just AI writing articles.
And, you know, it doesn't matter how good they are, if they get you to click on
them.
And if it's for something simple like sports, like.
This team beat this team last night, here are the stats and the score.
Like, it's hard for the AI to mess that up too much, right?
But again, like on a connection level, and I'm glad you use that word, because I
think that's a good one.
Like you want to have a human connection and art.
I do not want AI writing stories.
I don't even want AI writing like a skeleton of a story and then actual
writers like, you know, like changing words around to make it sound more human.
Like I want someone to have like, I want someone to be inspired.
I want someone to have an idea, even if it's a bad idea.
Like I just want to see a human's take on an idea and see it executed.
That's what I want out of art.
That and that's how I that's how I feel too.
Like I'm not opposed to AI I think that like machines and humans complement each
other So like there are things that people are incredibly good at which I think is
like for example like art And I use art in like a very broad sense like poetry
writing like acting picture stuff like that singing Playing an instrument like
art like people are very good at art I wouldn't say that we're very good at like
math or anything or like things that require high precision
Like machines are better for that.
Like machining or tooling, stuff like that, welding and whatnot.
You know, maybe that's a bit naive, but that's kind of how I split the whole
category.
And so I think if everyone stays in their lane, that will end up with a good result.
I just find it kind of sad that the things that make us people, you know, that make
us human, are being replaced by machines.
And...
then the question is like, what's left for us?
Like, what are we supposed to do then?
Like, we can't work, we can't do art, so like, what do we do?
Yeah, in a non-capitalist society, you know, machines and AI, you know, replacing
our labor, would not, would be a good thing, but in a society where everything
is based on money and compensation and, you know, resources, it doesn't end up
well for us.
And before I forget, I do want to include this.
Obviously the writer's strike wasn't just about AI.
That was just a part of it.
A big part of it was streaming residuals from Netflix and all the other streaming
services because the last time they negotiated this was, it was more at the
infancy of streaming TV and the compensation was not very generous.
So they, especially with basically all big shows, it feels like,
I maybe not all big shows because, you know, I don't know if you've heard of like
The Masked Singer and stuff like that.
Like, people watch network TV for that.
Like, I personally can't stand shows like that because they drive me crazy and
they're so slowly edited to waste your time.
But people love those shows and they watch them on network TV.
But it feels like amongst like people I know in my age demographic, nobody is
watching actual broadcast TV.
I feel like those shows, I don't know, I feel like the whole concept died 20 years
ago after American Idol.
Like, all these, you know, The Voice, American Idol, what is it called, The
Biggest Loser, all these shows, I feel like they're so outdated and yet for some
reason they're still being produced.
I could never get behind them.
I mean, how many versions of The Bachelor and The Bachelorette are there now?
There's like a million.
Yeah, I know.
But people love them.
So, I mean, and part of me is like, I think they're like not...
Because they're like maybe not shows like The Masked Singer, but like reality TV
like The Bachelor and The Bachelorette, they're all obviously scripted and things
like that.
But people enjoy them.
Like part of me is like I wish they didn't.
And I think it's contributing to society brain rot.
But also, I don't, you know, who am I to say you shouldn't enjoy what you enjoy?
You know?
Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to criticize anyone for their taste because they might
look at my taste or your taste and say like, oh, that's terrible, you know, so
it's in the eye of the beholder.
I just don't feel, I just feel like it's a bygone era, you know, I just feel like
it's a product of a bygone era.
And I find it kind of interesting that it's still a valuable form of
entertainment.
Another form, or another point of like a bygone era are residuals, which is what
you mentioned a few minutes ago, because
After we had that episode a couple months back, I was doing a bit of my own research
and a lot of people, so like a lot of like lay people, not actors, a lot of lay
people don't really see the point in actors receiving residuals.
You know, the common theme, you know, I saw in the comments was, you know, why
should you get paid more than once for the same job?
You know, like for example, I think a good example or a bad example, sorry, but a
common example that was used was...
like the plumber.
So there are a whole bunch of people saying like, you know, like think of like
a plumber, he comes to your house, he fixes, I don't know, your toilet or
whatever.
And he gets paid once for the job.
Like a plumber is not gonna get paid like 10 times.
But then I thought that maybe that's not fair because with actors, they're
continually using your likeness.
But I feel like a lot of people don't really think that residuals are a fair
form of compensation anymore for actors.
And the proof of that is probably an AI, which is why they just want to get rid of
the actors altogether.
But, you know, who knows?
We'll see.
Which is insane.
Like it makes so I've worked in like sales roles for the last few years, right?
I was I was always paid a salary plus a commission.
And I always felt like that commission motivated me to like, oh, man, I'm not
feeling it today.
I don't really want to put in that much effort.
But.
I kind of want to get paid more.
Like an actor is a salesperson.
Like they're there, especially with big actors, you just put their name on
something and.
That is true.
Way more people are going to watch it.
And if they kill the role or it's like, wow, there are there are movies that are
not good, but one actor did such a good job or such an had such an enjoyable
performance.
People will buy it or go watch it anyway.
for one way or another, maybe their performance is just so bad it's good or
it's hilarious or they're like the one person really trying on a horrible cast
and that's kind of funny.
Like that's happened and I think people like that should get paid more for it.
That is a valid point and so we did talk about influencers and advertising so that
was like a couple months ago and that was like my personal pet peeve.
like the rise of influencers as, I should call it a job, it's really hard for me,
but like people see it as being a job, and advertising.
And you have, I don't know if you know this, but like they're like virtual
influencers.
Have you heard of that?
Like people only on the internet?
Is that what you mean?
No, it's like they're not actual people.
They're like AI bots basically.
Like Vocaloids?
Yeah, yeah, something like that.
But they're like, they're not people at all.
They're just like generated by AI.
And so this is super common in, um, anyone can feel free to correct contact us and
correct me, but it's super common in like, uh, East Asia.
So like in Korea and Japan and in China, you have these companies, like these
agencies producing influencers with AI.
And so you'll have, I can't remember her name or its name.
I don't know how to address it, but, um,
You know, you have like this AI influencer who's 21 years old forever, because it's
just computer generated.
And they're super popular in certain Asian countries and they'll sell products like
makeup or phones or clothing, or they'll be ambassadors for certain companies or
certain people.
So, you know, so even influencers could be replaced by AI if people fall in love with
machines, you know, that's the thing.
If you don't value the connection to people, then you can be replaced by AI.
So it's pretty scary.
That's a little horrifying.
I mean, I guess Vocaloids are kind of like that, but that's probably as far as I knew
about that.
I mean, it almost kind of sounds like VTubers, but just minus the actual person
behind it all.
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much what it is.
Because that makes sense to me.
Because VTubers like...
Like they'll s***.
stream for hours at a time and you know they're kind of putting on a character but
you can't stream for like hours a day for like months and years on end without like
developing like real connections to like the people watching you and like letting a
little bit of your real self out yeah and so i think that's been like now that i
think about it i think that's been one of like the common themes of this season um
because i think like we've been doing this for almost two years
And so like, is there a common theme throughout all of our episodes?
And I feel it's like the connection that people have because we've talked about
influencers, we've talked about AI, we've talked about art, we've talked about
countercultures, subcultures, like generational shifts, and it's always been
about like, you know, people seeing eye to eye, like trying to find a connection.
And so for me, that's the most important thing.
Uh, and traveling.
So you also said that, uh, so you've, you were also, you also traveled a bit this
year.
Yeah.
To Vegas.
I did go to Vegas.
I don't think I really have any more interesting, although I will say I don't
know if I mentioned this when we all got laid off at our last job.
So I worked with my best friend.
He was on a vacation from Vegas, landed on his way back home, landed in like Salt
Lake or wherever on his layover flight, opened his phone when he landed, saw the
messages.
So he found out he got laid off like on his way back.
So that was horrible.
But I do want to talk about a trip I went on a few weeks ago.
I went to Green Bay, Wisconsin, to watch the Chiefs of Packers play because my best
friend is a Packers fan.
I'm a Chiefs fan.
So we got to make sure to go anytime they play because it's not very often.
And you want to talk about connections.
That city is about one thing.
They are about the Green Bay Packers because it's not a big city.
It's about, it's a little over a hundred thousand people.
It's about the same size of the city I live in now.
And they have one of the largest NFL fan bases there is.
I think their stadium holds like 70 some thousand people and it's basically always
sold out.
There is a line of a hundred plus thousand people
get season tickets.
Oh, wow.
Like we went on a.
We went on a tour from a guy who's lived in Green Bay, sounds like his whole life.
And he said, yep, I'm number one hundred and one thousand something, something and
something.
I will definitely die before my time comes up, but I will pass that down to my to my
to my children.
And.
It's it's crazy out there.
They act they do have industry like they're the Green Bay Packers because they
were originally sponsored by like packing plants and oh Wow, I guess Green Bay,
Wisconsin is like the toilet paper capital of the country like they make tons of
toilet paper They have a lot of paper mills.
They hit they have real industry
But everything in that town, again, it's they are dedicated to that football team.
If you win a Super Bowl as a coach, they name a street after you.
There's Packerland Avenue.
I think there's like Mike McCarthy Lane and.
It's it's everywhere.
There's statues everywhere.
There's landmarks everywhere.
There's memorials everywhere.
Um, it was so bizarre, like.
NFL stadiums are so big, like they're.
You don't realize how big they are until you're like walking around one, but
they're insanely massive.
And their stadium is just in the middle of a normal neighborhood.
It's so weird.
Like you don't even notice it until you're driving past it.
And you can see some of the signs from a distance, but there's like a mom and pop
burger place across the street.
There's normal houses.
Those houses have skyrocketed in value now, by the way.
Like it's absolutely insane because people rent them out for game days and parties
and stuff.
So they're worth like millions upon millions.
But it's not going to.
I didn't know all that.
It's so I definitely knew that the Green Bay Packers were like a very beloved team.
But I didn't know that the culture went that deep.
Oh, it's so that team shouldn't exist.
It's one of the like it's over 100 years old.
and they almost went under a few times.
So they had to basically establish, because the packing companies who
sponsored them back in the day went out of business like once or twice.
So one of the players, the quarterback at the time, Curly Lambeau, who Lambeau Field
is named after, and a paraphrasing from all I learned on this trip, but basically,
I think he went to the town hall and was like, look,
If you guys want to have a football team in this city, uh, you need to give us
money to do it.
I'm going to sell stock in the team.
You don't get any benefits.
You don't get any residuals.
This is a donation, but he had all these certificates, you know, saying you could
be an owner of the team.
And ever since then, the team, it's the only team in the, in the league.
It doesn't have an owner.
Um, it's a nonprofit.
Uh,
They've sold stock like four or five times.
So they technically have over half a million owners.
And so it's a community owned team.
And they basically, anytime they, the first couple of times was like, we are
gonna stop being a team, please save us.
Now it's like, hey, we're doing this major renovation.
So we're gonna allow people to buy stock and we're gonna.
I think the last one was a few years ago, they put in like the biggest, uh,
Jumbotron, the biggest screen in the league, which I got to stand right
underneath.
It's insane.
Well, there's two of them cause there needs to be one on each side of the
stadium so everybody can see.
I don't know.
It's I don't have enough time to go into detail on everything.
It's a really special and unique place.
Like there's really I've never been somewhere where I felt like everybody like
this city exists for one thing.
And everybody, everybody's all about it.
And everybody's 100 percent bought in.
You know, they have other things going on, but the reminders are every.
Yeah, maybe I'll maybe I'll get the chance to check it out sometime.
Yeah, what's kind of fun is so we set Lambeau Field had a major renovation, I
think like in the 70s or 80s, I can't remember.
So they basically added like extra layers onto it, like they built upward.
So they had original bleachers in like the lower bowl area, and that's like the old
part of the stadium.
They allocated 18 inches per seat.
which is now what we would consider pretty small.
And when they put like actual chair seats in the upper part, they're bigger, but
they can't expand the lower 18 inch bleachers.
Because if they did that, they would lose like 10,000 seats.
And when you have a hundred plus thousand people already waiting on season tickets,
what are you gonna do?
Are you gonna tell a season ticket holder like, hey, guess what, you're going back
in line.
Your seat no longer exists.
So when you're, and that's where we were, you get really cozy with everyone and it's
kind of fun.
Like it's almost like being at like a concert and you're kind of chest to chest
with people.
And I don't know, it was cool.
There's, if anyone's ever in the area for the heck of it, and you wanna go watch a
football game.
And I've talked before about how I feel like the fun part of
about going to a baseball game is it kind of feels like you're watching history in
motion.
Going to a game at that field is like walking into history because that's what
they're all about.
So I I've ranted long enough if you if you have any questions about it if something
you feel like I left out you can ask but I think I gave my spiel.
No I don't think it was a rant.
I'm definitely glad you're passionate about football because I'm not really
passionate which is
disappointment for a lot of people who meet me here in Germany because football
is also like American football is also extremely popular here so everyone's
talked to me about you know like what's your favorite team what was your favorite
game did you see the Super Bowl and I'm like no I'm sorry you have the wrong
American I'm not really good at sports um no so that's it so uh like Chris said
we're gonna be gone for
A couple of weeks, we should be back around February of next year, so we have a
lot to do.
But, you know, I really enjoyed the season.
We really talked about a lot of different topics.
I think the season just went on for so long because we just never...
I just never stopped it.
So come next year, we'll be doing a new season.
Yeah.
So Christmas will be upon us in a couple of days.
So I hope everyone, you know, enjoys the holidays, whether you celebrate it or not.
Definitely hope that you all have a great new year.
Hopefully I'll be able to fulfill all of my goals next year, but I have to start
working on that list.
At any rate, thanks so much everyone for listening.
I really enjoyed it.
We really enjoyed it and we'll see you all in the new year.
Yep.
Everybody Merry Christmas, Happy New Year.
See you next year.
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