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All right, we are here
at the Inch 360 event.

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Welcome to the Cybertraps podcast.

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I'm here with Dominic Booker.

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Dominic, welcome.

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Thanks for taking the time
to chat with me today.

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Tell us a little bit about yourself
and what brought you to this event.

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Oh, well, first of all, let me
thank you for allowing me to attend.

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So to answer your question,
I've been in the IT field for

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about Going on 15 years now.

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Um, I initially got into it because
I joke as a kid, I wanted to be a

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professional basketball player, but
then when I wasn't six feet tall, I was

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like, okay, what else am I going to do?

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Um, growing up, I just noticed
that computers were around.

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Um, my family wasn't like, like the
richest family, but we have one.

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So I'm like, well, if we can afford a
computer, everyone can afford a computer.

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Like a lot more people can.

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And then I start thinking, it's
like, well, if this breaks.

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Who's gonna fix it because we
don't have the money to fix it.

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So I was like, well, I can learn how
to fix it And I kind of just started

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messing around that's that's what
started my kind of like my My love hate

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relationship with technology When I
was about 10 years old What brought me

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to the convention here was the person
that I'm with she's really she's just

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starting her Journey into cybersecurity.

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She's currently going to school for it.

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It's like her first year into it So
she wanted to go, and I feel that

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it's important to get younger people,
especially women, like, into it,

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because, like, I've always wanted
to, I've always tried to build, like,

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this, community of just, like, hey,
if you want to do it, let's go do it,

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kind of a thing, it's like, oh, you
want to get into some cyber security?

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Well, let's do it, like, I'm, I'm
in the tech field, like, as well,

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like, is this what you want to do?

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I'll take a, I'll take a Wednesday
off, and let's go down and see what

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this is about, um, but, Security
to me, cyber security has always

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been important, but that's what
specifically brought me here today was,

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I want to support another individual
who wants to get into this field.

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I don't want to sit there and say, I
don't have time for you to, like, I don't

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have time to take you down here today.

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Because, like, realistically, it's
like, I have vacation time, let's take

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a day off, bring you down here, have
you meet, like, other members of this

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community, pretty much, that we're
trying to build here in Spokane, this

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industry and stuff like that, so.

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so far I think it's been
highly, highly educational.

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The amount of knowledge that,
from the people in the room

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is, to be frank, is insane.

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Yeah, no kidding.

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Like the people here, their experience,
their knowledge and stuff like that,

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and the one thing that I try to teach
people, I try to teach my friends, my

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family, my kids and stuff like that
is, one of the most important resources

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that we have in this world is time.

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And if somebody's willing to take the
time to talk to you, five minutes,

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10 minutes, 15 minutes, you should be
grateful and listen to what they have to

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say, because they could have taken that 15
minutes and done anything with it, right?

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They could be sleeping, they could
be drinking a cup of coffee in

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their house or something like that.

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They could choose not to share their
wisdom and their knowledge with you.

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So take the time to appreciate
somebody willing to give you advice.

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Listen.

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Inform.

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To be frank, shut up.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Like, just shut up and listen
to what they have to say.

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Because 9 out of 10 times,
they're going to teach you

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something that you don't know.

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And even if they don't, the fact that
they took that opportunity to spend

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15 minutes with you, I think it's like
overly important, and it's underly valued.

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If that makes sense.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Man, I think that's so powerful, and
that's, What a great example you are,

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bringing her with you and saying, I'll go
to this with you, not just, yeah, you can

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go to that, but saying, I'll be there.

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I'll, I'll be right next to you
and, and, and provide that support

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and make sure you feel like you're
not alone at something like this.

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I'm sure it could be intimidating
I mean, it's intimidating

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for me and I'm a nerd, right?

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To, to be here with all these really
smart people and feel like, man, do I

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have, do I have what it takes to show up?

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With all these people and with her just
starting, I think it's real powerful

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that you're there to provide that
support and, companionship through that.

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That's awesome.

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And,

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sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

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That's alright.

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For those who are listening, she is
currently in the middle of a panel.

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No, I didn't just abandon her.

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Just in case I was like, well,
what is he doing out here if he's

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supposed to be supporting her?

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She's in the panel.

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She's listening.

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I just wanted to come out
here and talk with Jethro.

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It's

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all good.

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So you asked a really good
question as part of the panel

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that I was just moderating.

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Why don't you bring up
that question again?

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So it's a thought exercise for anybody
who's listening because I think it was it

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was really valuable for you to share that.

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Yeah,

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sure, so the question that I
asked, um, was as we are delving

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more and more into cybersecurity,
becomes more and more important,

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are we ignoring physical security?

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Um, because as we were
kind of, talking about.

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It's a phrase that I've, always
said my entire, uh, career.

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Is that, In this industry,
you can get to almost any room

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with confidence in a clipboard.

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Like, if you look like you're supposed to
be there, nobody's going to question you.

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And that's another thing that
I've always wanted to ask is like,

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is that part of your training?

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Because we have all these cyber security
training, and I know it sounds rude and

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a lot of people don't want to have that
awkward conversation, but sometimes

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you just have to ask, who are you?

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Like, are you supposed to be here?

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And like, yes, it's awkward and it sounds
rude the first time, But if they are

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supposed to be there, it was something you
laugh about, you know, the next day while

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you're buying that person a cup of coffee,
because, you know, you have to mend that

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bridge a little bit, but if you ask them,
who are you, and they can't answer you,

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then you could have just saved yourself,
your company, everyone in there from like

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a really awkward situation, because with,
uh, kind of like what one of the other

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presenters was mentioning, like those
flipper devices and things like that.

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There are just like some really
cool tech out there that you could

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just plug in, walk away, and it'll
automate scraping everything on there.

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And then all it takes, it'll
have a little built in like Wi

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Fi relay or something like that.

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You go sit down in your, in your car
with your cup of coffee and you're

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just like, Oh, I'm just scraping all
this data because nobody questioned me.

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And like I just sat down and sometimes.

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Somebody doesn't have to be there.

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It could be just a random
computer that that person just

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happens to not be there that day.

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You can power it on, plug it into
the USB in the back and just walk

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away because To be honest, how often
do you check the back of your tower?

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If you know, like, this is my workstation
I'm the only one that works here.

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How often do you look behind to be
like, I don't know what this is.

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Like, what USB stick is this?

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And then kind of go from there.

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And the way they're making them smaller
and smaller, you could just not see it.

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Like, they're out there, but you
could get something about as what, as

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big as your, uh As your pinky nail.

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As your pinky nail, and it's just like,
in a whole 3264 terabyte worth of data,

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you could just take off and move on and
just wait until the nighttime, or just

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wait until you know that Well, these
people see me coming at this day, so

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I'll be back tomorrow at the same time,
so they think that, Oh, I work here, he

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was here yesterday, let me in, grab my
data, and then jet out, and never see me

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again.

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Yeah, so I think that idea of physical
security is as important as cyber

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security, and even if you, like, even
if you just rent an office in a strip

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mall, or something, and that, or in a
co working space, like, those are all

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things that you need to Pay attention
to, and if you're working remotely,

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then it's a little bit easier to
just take all your stuff with you.

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But then, you know, as you mentioned
in the question, like, how many people

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have put their coats up on the coat rack
and haven't gone out to check it again?

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And maybe there's something put in
there, you know, and maybe, maybe not.

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But, you know, those are things that you
just need to at least be thinking about.

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Uh, sometimes that's
uncomfortable to even think about.

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I mean, I got a little squirmy
when you were asking that question.

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Knowing that I had all my podcast
gear out here, and I was like, there's

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a memory card on there, and when I
plug that into my computer, you know,

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could there be something going on?

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You know, those are, those are the
kinds of things that, that tend

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to keep, keep me awake sometimes.

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Yeah,

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and because then obviously you kind
of have to ask yourself that too.

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It's like when you go to plug
it in, it's not only, is there

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something on there, is that yours?

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Right.

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Is that the original memory
card that you put in there?

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Yeah.

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Like, if I'm walking around with
a bunch of, like, SD flash cards

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and stuff, I gotta be honest, I'm
not memorizing every single one.

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I mean, like, granted, if it's a complete
obvious, like, if I was on a Samsung,

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all of a sudden I look and it's a
SanDisk, I'm like, okay, something's

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off here, but you're just going through
your day, you're popping out SD cards,

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you're, like, you're editing and all
this stuff, getting your stuff ready,

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and then And, it could be something on
it you don't even notice, it could be

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less than a kilobyte executable on there,
that's just, it's just designed to run.

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Gather, delete, and disappear.

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You wouldn't even know that it's going,
because by the time you plug in, turn

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around to do something, come back, it's
already done its job, and it's gone,

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and you would have had no idea, so.

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But, like, my question wasn't to make
people, like, super nervous, but it's just

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like, like, let's not forget that in this
digital world, physical still matters.

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Like, it's still present every day,
and it's just like, are we taking

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the time to not only train people
on , like the digital security side,

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but just to make sure that we're still
being cognitive of the physical side.

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Mm-Hmm.

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. And that was kinda like the, the point
of my question, it wasn't really like a,

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it wasn't trying to be like a gotcha or
like a soundbite or something like that.

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It's just, just something for people
to think in the back of their mind.

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It's like, oh, maybe we should, yeah.

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Like make sure that like, maybe we
should take the team that's usually

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stuffed in this one corner of the office.

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Yeah.

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And just go out and say hi
to everyone every once in a

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while so they know our faces.

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Mm-Hmm.

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, um, and things like that, because.

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Like, we didn't have time to explain
it, or I didn't have time to explain

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it or tell that story, but the story I
was telling you with, like, I'm a field

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tech, I get sent out to fix one issue,
been working in this office for 30

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minutes, like 15, like 15, 30 minutes.

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Get a phone call from my boss,
ask me where I'm at, and I'm like,

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I'm on site, and they're like,
no, you're not like my mistake.

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I went to the wrong building,
but I just told them I'm with I.

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T.

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I'm fixing your printer, and I need
access to your network room, and they

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gave me full access 30 minutes alone in
like, in like, yeah, like it was my fault

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for going to the wrong place in there.

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I didn't have any ill will.

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If I was a bad guy.

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Yeah, I would have got
everything I needed.

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We've been out in five minutes, right?

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And then they wouldn't have no
idea who I was, especially if I

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actually fixed the printer, right?

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Which you could do.

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Then they'll just mark it off as like,
Oh yeah, the printer guy came in, like he

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was in the network room for a little bit.

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Everything prints now.

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And then they'll just mark
it off as a normal day.

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Yeah.

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And I can just walk out with the, you
know, the kings of the kingdom and just

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be like, I'll be back in six months.

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Yeah.

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Like my program won't launch now.

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It'll launch in about six
months and you'll have no idea

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why, that kind of a thing,

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so.

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Yeah, well Dominic, this was
great to get to know you.

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Thank you for sharing your question
in there and then coming and chatting

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and appreciate you being here.

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Last question is, what's
your takeaway from today?

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What's your, what's your key
learning that you got out of this?

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my, my key word was actually from the
one thing that I am going to take was

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actually from your segment, the, uh,
the, the four P's as we'll say, right?

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preparation, partnership,
predict, and ponder.

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Yeah.

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And the last one, the P, like he
said, like you said, ponder, but

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I was thinking when, as he was
talking, I was like, oh, procedure.

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Oh, there you go.

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Like procedural, like afterwards.

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Right?

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Like, like you try to prepare for it.

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You partner up with like a good, you know,
like MSP or a partner to help cover that.

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If something does happen, you try to
predict what does, is going to happen.

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And afterwards you make sure your
procedures are like up to date.

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So those are going to be like the,
the one things that I take away.

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And it was kind of like small
vindication hearing people talk.

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Cause the things you guys
were saying was just what I've

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been trying to explain to her.

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It's just things I just say
in my daily, my daily life.

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It's like, you know, like
it's not if it's when.

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Yeah.

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You know, trust, but verify
like things like that.

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Like I tell everyone I know it's like, so
I guess I know you know me, but if I tell

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you something, verify what I'm saying.

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Like, don't just blindly trust me.

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Right.

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Like, okay.

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Like, like you're a trustworthy person
and I'll take it with like, you know,

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a seven out of 10, but let me go and
verify that last three out of 10 to

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make sure you're not, you know, just
blowing smoke and things like that.

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So.

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Yep.

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Well, I was, I was glad to
see the, the four P's happen.

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I thought that was pretty cool.

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Glad it worked out that way.

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And when Aaron started talking, I
was like, I don't care what he says.

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We're going to find a P
we're going to find out.

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Okay.

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Well, thanks, Dominic.

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Appreciate you being

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here again.

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I appreciate you taking the
time and letting me hop on here.

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Yeah, no problem.