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all right.

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I'm sitting down with longtime friend,
Jason, bud, and returning podcast guest.

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This is what fourth time number
four, number four, number four.

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Have we had somebody come
on four times before?

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I know, uh, Paul Ballard's
been on a few times.

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Okay.

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But I think, um, number four,
we'll have to check the, uh, we'll

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have to check the archives to see
where we're at here, but, um, I

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never thought when you first.

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Called me up to do the first
one and I was pretty hesitant.

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And you could tell them that.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Never thought I'd be back
for number four dropped.

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You know, I always figured you would be.

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I mean, you've got enough
stories and you course you do.

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Yeah, I did all this stuff.

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Well, you're still trying to
get me to write my memoirs.

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Yeah.

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I think you should.

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I really think you should.

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Yeah.

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Well we're

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baby steps, right?

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Yeah.

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Big plans maybe in October, but we.

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That'll come out later, I guess.

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Yeah.

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That'll be a fun announcement.

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Yeah.

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Well, right now, if people are watching
this on YouTube or if, even if you're

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listening through your normal podcast
provider and the audio sounds a little

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bit different, hopefully it doesn't, but
I'm using a travel kit at the moment.

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The studio is going under some
renovations, we're doing some upgrades.

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So, uh, let us know, uh, in the
comments, what it sounds like, what

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it looks like, and if we're going in
the right direction here, uh, I'm sure

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we'll find out because, uh, people
are pretty vocal about that anyways.

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Uh, um, we were talking
about wilderness survival.

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Yeah.

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And it was something that, uh, was
sort of on the back burner for a while.

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Cuz you've had a fair bit of time
in the mountains and in the woods.

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And actually since the last podcast we
did with Dean, you have, um, you've been

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spending a fair bit of time outside.

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Why, why don't you give a little
bit of an update of what, uh, what

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you've been up to before we start
talking about wilderness survival?

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Yeah.

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Um, I think we mentioned, um, I
was going on my assistant Alpine

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exam in the cascades 10 days.

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Right.

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Um, Went down and did some pre training.

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And then I was successful on my
assistant Alpine exam for the

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American mountain guide association.

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Right.

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So, um, I just need to complete the
full rock exam and the full Alpine exam.

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And that's pretty much done the if
MGA system, um, which is international

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Federation, Mount guides association.

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That's kind of what I set my
sights on a few years back.

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Um, and I was recommended to come back,
do the full Alpine exam next year.

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Mm-hmm  and they recommended I
go, I didn't bother applying for

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the full rock exam this year in
October of November of fed rock.

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Right.

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The examiners told me, encouraged
me just go on the wait list.

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Yeah.

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So I've done that.

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Gotta start pulling some harder grades.

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Mm-hmm  okay.

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But, uh, turning up for that.

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And then, uh, usually there's a very good
chance that probably gonna get on, uh,

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last minute opening in terms of like one
to two to three days, notice to move and

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then flight down to red rock Vegas, rent
a car, and five days on the rock exam.

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So exciting.

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That's kind of that this winter I'm
looking forward to the winter because

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ski guide exam was done last year,
so it's just cruising, having fun.

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Nice.

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Um, but Steph's, uh, training for her full
exam, probably the next one to two years.

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So we still gotta do
little objective base.

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Okay.

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Trip.

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So yeah, that's kind of what we
achieved, not moving forward.

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So it's been pretty slow.

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You haven't been doing
much is what you're saying.

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well, we did

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came off the exam room, took two weeks
holidays and went back to the cascades.

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Did all cause the problem with
this is I say the problem is that.

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You just don't apply for the next exam.

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You have to build a resume.

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So we had to do so many grade, um, Alpine
commitment, grade level, five climbs, and

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then so many glacier route and things.

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So we basically took two weeks holidays
and just completed as much as we could.

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And then most of my time off from
work, um, I'd been out either

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guiding or, um, Doing our trips.

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So we're building a resume.

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So beauty pretty much
done for the full Alpine.

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My resume's complete.

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So, so

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needless to say, you've had a little
bit of experience in the back country.

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You've had experience in the Bush, both at
the personal level and professional level.

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And, uh, it's that experience that
I'm hoping we can kind of share

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some of the, uh, uh, mishaps.

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I know I've, I've had a few mishaps
in the Bush that, uh, I figured I

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could share with the audience and,
uh, what I've learned from it.

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And, um, also, um, uh, see from what
you've been through, different things

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that have, uh, been, uh, perhaps shareable
learning experiences, as opposed to

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those UNS shareable learning experiences.

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yeah, I think, um, it really comes
down to, for me, um, back in, in,

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in the British army, we have a term,
um, for, uh, what was the term,

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um, Not kit hoarder, kit, monk.

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No, you're junkie.

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sort of like that they
have the term for it.

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Um, it'll come to me.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But, and we talked about it, I think
on the first podcast where, you know,

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pretty much in the British army, the
only thing I wore issued were my socks.

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Right, right, right.

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Um, everything else
you could buy in altar.

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And I was always buying the lightest gear
mm-hmm  um, or the most efficient gear or

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anything I could to make my life easier.

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Mm-hmm  cause weight is an issue
mm-hmm  and it that's some of the

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lessons I've learned that if I
can be lighter, light is right.

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Mm.

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You also have that term
pack light freeze night.

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I've been there.

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So it's finding that balance and then
carrying that into the outdoor community.

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Um, Like the term we often use is a
planned B, a B is where you're gonna

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camp for the night and an unplanned B.

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Right.

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And a lot of people just default
to saying, well, always pack if

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you're gonna spend the night.

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And I don't necessarily agree with that.

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Mm-hmm  because, um, if you have
lighter equipment, you can move faster.

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Mm-hmm  you can limit your
exposure to the hazards.

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Might be the elements might be overhead.

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Hazard might be avalanches.

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And there's certain times of
the day, maybe you want to move

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through this train or it's safer.

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Mm-hmm  right.

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Mornings tend to be safer, you know, for
lots of reasons, give an Alpine start.

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Yeah.

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Alpine start or, uh, avalanches,
you know, solar effect, everything.

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Right.

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So.

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limiting your exposure to
hazards is really critical.

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And if you are always lugging a
tent and sleeping a bag around

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on a day trip that day, trip's
gonna go into an overnight trip.

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Yeah.

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You're gonna be knackered too.

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It's gonna be knackered.

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Yeah.

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So the balance then on those day
trips is I always think of it this

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way is that you're bringing enough
equipment, so you're not gonna die.

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Mm.

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Right.

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Mm-hmm , you're not gonna die.

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You gotta last 24 hours.

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Mm-hmm  really, so you're gonna be
uncomfortable, but you're not gonna die.

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And, um, one of the, um, stories
that comes to mind that I can think

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back to is, uh, the elephant lake.

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The winter route elephant
lake, um, marked trail route.

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Yeah, I think it's 24 kilometers return.

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Mm-hmm  maybe a thousand meter gain
and you start in Squamish at the,

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um, Trailhead for the red Heather,
and then it's marked by Rangers.

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And they basically have these bamboo
poles that are every hundred, 200 meters

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along the winter route mm-hmm . And
because a lot of people would travel

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in from the city on a Friday night and
they just follow this marked route.

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So in terms of navigation, you don't
need a lot of age, you just follow

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yellow brick road, for example.

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Right.

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Right.

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Um, and this is back in 2010.

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Okay.

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So I'm dating myself back
here, going back a little bit.

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Yeah.

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On my very first set of back country skis.

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And I remember those skis,
little skinny, 60 underfoot.

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Yep.

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1 65.

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No idea.

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Yeah.

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Just to get me to, to
the mountain, to climate.

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Yep.

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Now that was my concept.

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Right.

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And my partner at the time, Laura
and I would very adventurous

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heading out into the back country.

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And, um, we would.

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Decided to do a day trip and
have dinner at the hut and then

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ski back with headlamps, right.

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Um, back to the car.

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Yeah.

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That was your plan marked up.

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Everything was kosher.

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Um, and all, I meant 2010, I
wasn't probably aware of a lot

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of the weather forecasting.

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Um, or maybe they weren't even
as developed as they are now.

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Right, right.

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So the weather forecasting
was a big issue.

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Uh, but we always had the basics.

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We always had your trans probe shovel,
a tarp, uh, warm jacket, spare gloves,

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spare hat to beanie for the UK.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um, I think beanie in the us as well.

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Not sure, but too.

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Yeah, yeah, too, too,
you know, Goretex jacket.

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Um, you know, the basics so that, you
know, the concept was is that you could

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last 24 hours if you needed to be.

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Hmm.

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Um, So everything was fine.

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I think we set off probably mid-morning
skinneded up, got into the hut probably

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early evening four o'clock had dinner.

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I opened the door last light and I
started seeing precep precipitation

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stuff happen a little bit of the wind
picking up and I'm like, well, let's go.

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This is gonna be fun.

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I like moving in storms.

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I told you I love storm skiing.

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Mm-hmm  so, Hey, this is gonna be great.

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And we got marked root.

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What could go wrong?

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Right?

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Easy, easy peasy.

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Right?

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Easy, easy peasy.

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So we're carrying on and heading
up the Ridge and, uh, the storms

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building and now it's black.

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Like we're going, we've lost light.

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Headlamps is fine.

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And the storm by the time we're
about halfway along the Ridge, it is

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completely ping pong ball, white out.

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And maybe you could see.

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You know, I, I couldn't see
the next marker anymore, right?

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Yeah, marker's gone.

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Yep.

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And I may have had a GPS,
but, um, you know, I probably

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didn't drop any bed crumbs.

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I probably had the parking lot, but
that doesn't necessarily gonna be able

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to navigate off this is pre iPhone.

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So my favorite navigation tools
or Cal Topo, Gaia fat map, um,

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easily follow those in a white out.

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No problem.

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Mm-hmm  I could navigate to a
couple meters of where I needed

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to be in a complete white out.

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Didn't have those tools.

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Right.

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Um, we heavily relied on map and
compass, but as you know, a map and

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a storm's not gonna work too well.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Not too, not too hot.

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Not the best.

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You know, I probably didn't have a root
card, so I didn't have my bearings.

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I didn't have my legs down.

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Like a good soldier would.

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Right.

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and I still do all that.

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I still, we call it a white Oak
card, um, for the mountains.

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Mm-hmm  so I still do it.

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Um, if I'm in unknown train,
I'll make a white Oak card.

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So if my iPhone piles in or
something like that, I'll have

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the bearing, uh, my backup.

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Navigation's always an imeter.

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Um, and that's the old SAS
navigation on the roots.

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You just have map compass, Otter mm-hmm
. And if you have a bearing with your

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Teter, you'll know where you're along
that line map, simple, simple tools.

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Right.

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So I did have a map cuz I was religious
in that, you know, map compass.

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So Timor, I did have that at the
time, but bought, but my problem

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solving was I just need to get
to the next marker mm-hmm  right.

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Um, so I'd have to leave Laura at one
of the posts where they headlamp on and

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I would do a 360 to locate the next one
and that's how I was navigating, right?

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Yeah.

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So H.

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I would've just dug an emergency shelter.

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Mm-hmm  right.

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So just a snow cave.

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Really just find a wind lip,
dig into the backside, get in,

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put your backpack backpack in.

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So it's, it's not like, uh,
an AGL or anything like that.

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Mm-hmm , it's just, but this was
Olympics and Laura was a volunteer

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and her very first day was starting
the next day and she's very like

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particular she needed to be there.

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so I also had that human factor
mm-hmm , um, affecting my decision of

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where we need to keep going, because
she's gonna needs to volunteer the

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next day to be at her very first
event where everything pulled me.

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I should just dig in right
for the night, right?

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Yes.

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And wait it out.

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Yep.

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Storm's gonna be good.

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We'll have some good
skiing down in the date.

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It's fine.

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But, um, I pressed on.

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Okay.

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And, um, We, we continued
that, leaving her at one post.

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I do it head out 360, find the
next post next bamboo marker.

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And then she just follow
the light ski to me.

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Yeah.

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Yell at her ski to me.

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Yeah.

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And that's how we got along the Ridge.

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And I think the Ridge is like
maybe four or five kilometers.

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Okay.

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That's how I got through this.

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And then at the certain point, then
when you get the, the dissent to

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Paul Ridge in the red, Heather,
um, that's pretty easy, you know,

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you're going downhill from there.

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Yeah.

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So we're touring along there,
but the elevation ban changed

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and the snow changed rain.

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Hmm.

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So Goretex is good.

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Yeah.

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And, um, I see this party of two
or three coming up, snow shoes.

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So they're transitioning
from rain to snow.

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Oh, I'm not fine in the Alpine.

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That's never good.

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That's never a good idea.

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Right.

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That's I avoid that at all.

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Like if there's a trip where
we're starting in rain going

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to the Alpine, I don't go.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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So.

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it's easier to go from snow to rain.

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Mm-hmm cause you're on your way out.

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Mm-hmm  and these guys have
black, uh, garbage bags over top.

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Oh, with the arms cut out.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I think there was stuff
hanging off it and everything.

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And I, and I said to the guy guys,
like, really, what are you doing?

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And this is probably at midnight now, too.

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Yeah.

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So that's how late we've gone.

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That's how long it's
taken us to get there.

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I remember trying to tell these
guys, like, not a good idea.

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Honestly.

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I said just go back to red, Heather
and bevy there for the night.

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Mm-hmm  there's no turning 'em around.

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I have no idea if they made
it, they didn't make it.

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Mm-hmm  um, I was in, in
squamous star at the time.

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Anyway, so no idea,
but just watching them.

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Trucking off you just say, you know, that
term, I think we call it, well, I call

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that term the unconscious and confident.

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Right.

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And then you're conscious, confident
as you get more training, as we talked

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about and we strive then to become, or I
try to train my clients to be conscious,

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confident, conscious, confident, yes.

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Conscious and confident.

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And then you wanna move into the
unconscious competent, right?

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Yes.

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And that's realm.

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So this is definitely the
unconscious, uh, incompetent.

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Right.

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You know, and it's just
sheer luck that sheer luck.

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Yeah.

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That's when get them through it.

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Yeah.

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So never a good idea.

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Midnight garbage bags heading out.

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And you'd see that.

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I mean, my days in Squamish star,
that was pretty common to see.

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Yeah.

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You know, people you're going
out to rescue like that.

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Right.

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I mean, I did the garbage
bag thing when I was younger.

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I'm

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there is a point like people say, when
it's fully on sleet over your Gortex.

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Yeah.

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You know, like, you know,
you can carry it for sure.

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You know?

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Well, I just did it cause
I didn't have any money.

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Yeah.

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I, uh, would go to the boardroom
or to, uh, where was it?

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I forget what it was.

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Yeah.

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Maybe it was sport check
or something like this.

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And, uh, rather than renting your skis
or your board, you could, uh, demo it

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there and you get a brand new board.

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So you demo all the gear and it was
way cheaper, but I would just put

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garbage bags on for all my gear.

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I looked like a goof on the slopes,
but, uh, uh, that was part of the

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learning experience and that whole.

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Conscious incompetent area is, and you
and I were talking about this earlier

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about the Dunning Kruger effect.

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And I mean, for listeners who
haven't heard of that one, I think

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more and more people talk about it.

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Now it's a bit more common, but
essentially the Dunning Kruger

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effect, there's two guys, Mr.

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Dunning and Mr.

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Kruger and two different universities.

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And, uh, they came up with a formula
that showed a person's confidence

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level based on their, uh, ability and
the length of time they've been into

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a new skill and they would find a
large bell curve where people get in.

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They're like, oh, I don't know anything.

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And they learn just a little bit.

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And all of a sudden their confidence
level is through the roof.

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They figure I can do this.

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And the more and more that they learn,
they realize holy Crow that was dangerous.

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Or I shouldn't have done that.

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Or I, I really am.

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I'm just scratching
the tip of the iceberg.

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There's so much to know.

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I don't know if I'll ever know it.

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So all of a sudden they're the
more they know their confidence

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level starts coming down a bit.

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Cuz they realize there's.

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They realize what they don't know?

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Well, I've always said a T one avalanche
skills trainer, one course or standard

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baseline course, we teach the students
enough to get themselves into trouble.

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Right?

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Yes.

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That's basically my takeaway that
I get them to take away is like,

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you're just now more conscious of
the actual hazards that's out there.

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Right.

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Mm-hmm  so for sure,

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for sure.

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So thinking about that,
uh, whole Dunning Kruger.

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I remember when I was, what was I 17?

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I think I was, and, uh, I decided to
take my wood panel station wagon up

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a mountainside up past cam loops and
went to a location where I'd known.

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And I've been there a lot since I've
been a little kid and, uh, it was

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up a logging road and usually it's
either, it was either helicopter

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flight in or a, um, or a hike in and.

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Uh, for this since the main road
was quasi plowed, but the side roads

00:17:54.255 --> 00:17:58.725
that take you in there weren't we
had about a 21 K hike in that's.

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Okay.

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I figured most of it.

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I'm gonna be hiking on a, on a road.

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That's easy.

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Right?

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Well, one thing I learned really
quick at that age was the main road

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and the side roads look all the same
when they're all snowed in right.

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Summertime that you can
really tell the difference.

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What else did I learn?

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I learned maybe don't load your, uh,
backpack full of all the food and

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booze and everything else that you
think you wanna be bringing in and

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leave behind some essential equipment,
because you know, in your back of

00:18:29.370 --> 00:18:30.540
your head, I know how to get there.

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I know where it is.

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I'm fit.

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I'll just hike it in.

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And we're good.

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It was about negative 12 out.

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And, uh, it was, it was hard
slogging through, I mean, we're,

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we're pay hole in every step.

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We had our snow shoes at, uh,
uh, the guy at mountain magic.

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It's a store.

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It's not a left around anymore, but,
uh, he stayed open on Christmas Eve

00:18:49.050 --> 00:18:52.379
so I could get off work and have
renting these snow shoes from him.

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And then he gave me a deal on it.

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Nice guy.

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Uh we're Payco and all, all the way.

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And end up getting lost going in there.

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And that was okay.

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I mean, like through the
day it was, it was sunny.

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Right.

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And so I've got my t-shirt on, it was
thinking of 12, but I'm hot cuz I'm

00:19:07.585 --> 00:19:11.540
working hard and heavy pack and, and
uh, probably a cotton t-shirt back then.

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It was a cotton t-shirt yes.

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absolutely.

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I love cotton, but it's
not an outdoor shirt.

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No.

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Yeah.

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But um, I remember we were going
in and I was with two other people.

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I was able to talk into going in and
they, one guy wasn't quite as fit.

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The other guy was, uh, even less fit and.

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It was, it was a long slow slog.

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And I was given a satellite maps
that a, another fellow came up.

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He says, oh, we got these satellite photos
that were taken by a logging company.

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You gotta use 'em.

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It shows all the new clear cuts out there.

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So it'll make it easy for you.

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And I'd never navigated off sat
photos before I'd use topos, right?

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Yeah.

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I'd use map encompass, but, and so
I'm just kinda looking around and

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looking and saying, good lesson,
know your kit, know how to use it.

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Right.

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Um, I just figured it would be easy.

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I, it would all make sense.

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And this is way pre iPhone.

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And this is pre satellite photos.

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Really?

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This was pretty

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stable.

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I mean, we used to get them
in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Right.

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So 2005, seven era.

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Yeah.

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Never had them in Koal Bosnia,
but yeah, they surfaced.

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Around that era, 2005 for me.

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So this set photographs.

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Yeah, this was 94 around there, 93.

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And so, I mean, they, they were doing it.

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They're doing it, but it was new for me.

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It's not like we had Google where we
just go on and so, uh, good learning.

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Did you have

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Google earth back then?

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Trump?

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No, not back then.

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No.

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Um, and I remember, I thought
I'm gonna take a shortcut.

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I think I know where it is.

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Right.

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And I got a compass out and I'm
using these sat photos and I'm gonna

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take a shortcut through this area.

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And I was correct in what I was thinking.

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I just didn't realize the, um, uh, the
sat photo, of course doesn't show the

00:20:55.065 --> 00:21:01.635
train and the, um, The sun was going
down and I went down this really steep

00:21:01.635 --> 00:21:06.075
embankment, and I kept falling into
the snow because there was, um, down

00:21:06.075 --> 00:21:07.905
trees that I was falling in between.

00:21:07.905 --> 00:21:12.225
And, and, uh, I remember I came back up
and I was still wearing my t-shirt right.

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And I didn't realize
how cold I was getting.

00:21:15.855 --> 00:21:18.375
And the other two were really
cold, but the sun's going down.

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And I finally, I said, you know what,
I'm going to, they were waiting at the

00:21:20.775 --> 00:21:22.725
top cuz I was going to show 'em the way.

00:21:22.725 --> 00:21:26.175
And of course I ended up coming
back up and, but everything

00:21:26.175 --> 00:21:27.675
was getting really dark for me.

00:21:27.705 --> 00:21:31.605
Like it seemed like it was getting
darker than what the sunset was doing.

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Yeah.

00:21:32.325 --> 00:21:34.755
And I realized I'm not
shaking or anything.

00:21:35.025 --> 00:21:37.425
And maybe this is hypothermia.

00:21:37.425 --> 00:21:37.905
I don't know.

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I've read about this.

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Right.

00:21:39.675 --> 00:21:41.805
So, um, I.

00:21:43.155 --> 00:21:47.625
I got some kit on and tried to get
some warm gear on and, uh, wanted

00:21:47.625 --> 00:21:49.185
to get moving as fast as I could.

00:21:49.185 --> 00:21:52.485
We're going back up a hill
and I told them, I said, look,

00:21:52.485 --> 00:21:54.074
it, I, I'm not feeling right.

00:21:54.105 --> 00:21:55.514
Something's not quite clicking.

00:21:55.635 --> 00:22:00.105
And, um, if for whatever reason,
cuz it's getting darker and darker.

00:22:00.110 --> 00:22:03.465
If, if for whatever, whatever
reason I happen to pass out, I'm

00:22:03.465 --> 00:22:04.905
pretty sure our destination is.

00:22:04.905 --> 00:22:07.935
And I point in the area and I think
it's only gonna be about another

00:22:07.935 --> 00:22:09.465
couple kilometers over that way.

00:22:09.764 --> 00:22:13.554
Just drop the packs and drag me in  right.

00:22:13.844 --> 00:22:19.245
And um, thankfully once I started to
warm up a little bit and I had some kit

00:22:19.245 --> 00:22:22.725
on things, started feeling a little bit
more optimistic and that doom and gloom

00:22:22.725 --> 00:22:24.855
feelings kind of started to subside.

00:22:25.350 --> 00:22:29.550
But the other two that I was with
were, uh, really delving deep into

00:22:29.550 --> 00:22:30.990
this whole mental doom and gloom.

00:22:30.990 --> 00:22:34.680
And, and I asked him, I said, look
at scale of one to 10, where you

00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:36.210
at 10 you're right as range zero.

00:22:36.210 --> 00:22:36.810
You're dead.

00:22:36.815 --> 00:22:37.470
Where are you at?

00:22:37.500 --> 00:22:42.300
And, uh, one guy's like, I don't know,
like a four, the other guy's like a two.

00:22:42.840 --> 00:22:43.139
I hated.

00:22:43.139 --> 00:22:43.200
Yeah.

00:22:43.830 --> 00:22:49.379
So, um, we ended up just through sheer
determination and stupidity slogging in.

00:22:49.385 --> 00:22:53.460
And I remember when we finally found
this one lake and was all frozen over,

00:22:53.879 --> 00:22:58.110
and that was the lake where we had
to be, it took us 45 minutes to cross

00:22:58.110 --> 00:23:02.040
something that in the summertime would've
taken you, I don't know, five, yeah.

00:23:02.310 --> 00:23:04.080
Seven minutes to, to cross.

00:23:04.500 --> 00:23:08.760
And then I get to the, um, to the
cabin and I figure, oh, this is great.

00:23:09.210 --> 00:23:10.409
I couldn't get the lock open.

00:23:10.409 --> 00:23:13.770
Cuz the hands weren't working, I figured
I'm gonna have to knock the door down.

00:23:13.919 --> 00:23:16.830
Eventually find a way in and the thinking.

00:23:17.610 --> 00:23:19.770
Everything would be great when
you're in the cabin and not

00:23:19.770 --> 00:23:21.330
realizing until you get inside.

00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:25.980
It's the exact same temperature as
everything outside, um, fire got going.

00:23:26.580 --> 00:23:27.090
We're good.

00:23:27.750 --> 00:23:28.860
Amazing how good.

00:23:28.860 --> 00:23:29.399
Yeah, you are.

00:23:29.399 --> 00:23:33.270
Once a fire gets going and you start
to warm up a bit and, uh, but there was

00:23:33.270 --> 00:23:34.679
a lot of learning lessons off of that.

00:23:34.679 --> 00:23:36.450
Know your kit, know what
you're bringing with.

00:23:36.450 --> 00:23:39.090
You don't bring untested
stuff the very first time out.

00:23:39.540 --> 00:23:42.720
Um, I didn't really have much
of a trip plan on that one.

00:23:42.810 --> 00:23:47.070
Um, maybe maybe have a
little bit lighter pack.

00:23:47.100 --> 00:23:52.919
Like it was heavy pack that I was packing
in and, um, I mean, bunch of fresh

00:23:52.919 --> 00:23:54.929
food, none of this freeze dried stuff.

00:23:54.935 --> 00:23:55.120
Right.

00:23:55.139 --> 00:23:59.070
I think I had a chicken or two in my
backpack cuz I wanted to cook those up.

00:23:59.490 --> 00:24:03.255
Um, I've learned a lot since then.

00:24:03.285 --> 00:24:03.405
Yeah.

00:24:03.465 --> 00:24:08.955
On, um, what, what not to do and how
to stay outta trouble and others.

00:24:09.015 --> 00:24:12.075
I mean, I was up there at another time in
the winter and these other people had to

00:24:12.465 --> 00:24:16.935
break into our vehicle and make a shelter
out of it because they, um, uh, they were

00:24:16.935 --> 00:24:18.405
lost and they found the vehicle there.

00:24:18.410 --> 00:24:18.625
Yeah.

00:24:18.625 --> 00:24:20.595
So, yeah.

00:24:20.655 --> 00:24:25.995
Um, couple little learning points
on that one, I think between you

00:24:25.995 --> 00:24:30.285
and I, I probably have more of these
survival type stories that you do.

00:24:30.455 --> 00:24:30.745
Yeah.

00:24:30.855 --> 00:24:31.935
Based, you

00:24:31.935 --> 00:24:35.655
mentioned that to me and they're like,
let's hear the, your, um, you know,

00:24:35.655 --> 00:24:37.935
some of your survival stories and
I'm like, Travis, I don't really have

00:24:38.205 --> 00:24:40.035
that many  and I've been out there.

00:24:40.305 --> 00:24:40.605
Yeah.

00:24:40.605 --> 00:24:41.745
And it comes down to that.

00:24:42.495 --> 00:24:46.245
And I've said that I've never had
an unplanned B yet touch wood.

00:24:46.305 --> 00:24:48.195
I've never had to stay
on a climbing route.

00:24:48.825 --> 00:24:52.785
Cause I ran at a time light or whatever.

00:24:53.325 --> 00:24:57.705
Um, and I think that really
comes down to touch wood.

00:24:58.095 --> 00:25:02.024
Um, Pretty good planning preparation.

00:25:02.034 --> 00:25:02.835
Right, right.

00:25:03.315 --> 00:25:05.985
Cause I haven't had that experience.

00:25:06.345 --> 00:25:12.014
of, I I've had some, some, um,
I wouldn't call it near miss,

00:25:12.014 --> 00:25:15.225
but I mean, I got frostbite in
my hand, on, on Hector, right.

00:25:15.230 --> 00:25:20.715
Similar, you know, uh, my defy and I
were going up to ski mountain Hecker.

00:25:20.715 --> 00:25:24.585
So mountain Hector, I thinks around
12,000 feet in the Rockies near

00:25:24.585 --> 00:25:27.345
mosquito hostel Icefield Parkway.

00:25:28.034 --> 00:25:29.205
And it was super cold.

00:25:29.205 --> 00:25:30.435
Maybe it was February.

00:25:30.585 --> 00:25:33.495
And um, we got a break.

00:25:33.795 --> 00:25:38.655
The conditions went to moderate
for avalanche clear sunny day.

00:25:39.780 --> 00:25:40.830
It's gonna be minus 20.

00:25:41.670 --> 00:25:46.170
So we thought let's go and I had these
good Atter gloves on, and if everyone

00:25:46.170 --> 00:25:47.250
hasn't done it, there's a gully.

00:25:47.250 --> 00:25:51.450
You gotta go up and it's faceted
snow because it's so cold.

00:25:52.170 --> 00:25:57.690
And one of the things I had going on
was I didn't have the, um, top of the

00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:03.180
gloves, cinch tight, and you basically
are having to plunge step up this gully,

00:26:03.180 --> 00:26:05.700
you can't skin it and I'm plunging up.

00:26:06.180 --> 00:26:10.290
And, um, the snow is going
down the inside of my gloves.

00:26:10.350 --> 00:26:10.800
Mm.

00:26:11.625 --> 00:26:13.275
, I didn't really clock
it cuz I'm working hard.

00:26:13.275 --> 00:26:14.505
Like you said, you're my t-shirt right.

00:26:14.955 --> 00:26:17.625
So I'm working hard and the
snow's going in my glove and it's

00:26:17.625 --> 00:26:18.705
melting, but everything's fine.

00:26:18.705 --> 00:26:20.565
Everything's warm because I'm working.

00:26:20.655 --> 00:26:20.955
Mm.

00:26:21.585 --> 00:26:27.615
And then as we progressed up the mountain,
just short of summiting, we took a break

00:26:27.795 --> 00:26:32.685
and I, maybe we talked about this in one
of our podcasts, but I remember looking at

00:26:32.875 --> 00:26:37.875
a, at, at a smaller pair of gloves in my
bag, going, my hands are cold right now.

00:26:38.295 --> 00:26:42.495
Mm-hmm  but I should put these
gloves on mm-hmm  but they're not

00:26:42.615 --> 00:26:44.025
as thick as the ones I'm wearing.

00:26:44.025 --> 00:26:45.675
So I can't see it being any better.

00:26:46.275 --> 00:26:47.325
So I didn't change.

00:26:47.415 --> 00:26:47.775
Right.

00:26:47.925 --> 00:26:48.975
But I should have changed my gloves.

00:26:49.035 --> 00:26:53.475
Mm-hmm  because you know, the wind
was howling from, I guess it would

00:26:53.475 --> 00:26:56.655
be coming from the Northeast, but
it would basically howling on this

00:26:56.655 --> 00:26:58.485
side of my face, this side of it.

00:26:59.145 --> 00:27:00.075
So we got up there.

00:27:00.975 --> 00:27:03.945
summited transitioned, beautiful ski down.

00:27:04.005 --> 00:27:04.935
It was phenomenal.

00:27:04.935 --> 00:27:07.185
Like we did this, I think
it was maybe six hours up.

00:27:07.215 --> 00:27:07.275
Yeah.

00:27:07.275 --> 00:27:08.145
I can't even remember.

00:27:08.235 --> 00:27:12.105
And we were 40 minutes back at the
car, high fived at the car, got in

00:27:12.110 --> 00:27:16.245
the car, um, drove down the road.

00:27:16.425 --> 00:27:17.805
Um, but I'll take a step back.

00:27:17.810 --> 00:27:22.035
So I did take my gloves out and
I noticed on my pinky finger and

00:27:22.035 --> 00:27:24.465
all my fingers, there was fleece.

00:27:24.465 --> 00:27:25.275
There was a liner.

00:27:25.335 --> 00:27:25.455
Yeah.

00:27:25.455 --> 00:27:27.165
Inside the Goretex Gutar glove.

00:27:27.675 --> 00:27:31.455
So the moisture went in, melted,
moved outside the fleece couldn't

00:27:31.455 --> 00:27:32.685
pass the leather barrier.

00:27:32.805 --> 00:27:33.025
Mm.

00:27:33.375 --> 00:27:34.425
Re ref froze.

00:27:34.695 --> 00:27:37.245
Each finger had a, like
a cocoon of ice on it.

00:27:37.725 --> 00:27:38.145
Okay.

00:27:38.145 --> 00:27:38.535
I guess.

00:27:39.435 --> 00:27:41.685
So I looked at it didn't
think anything of it.

00:27:41.685 --> 00:27:42.765
I'm like, oh, that's interesting.

00:27:43.035 --> 00:27:43.635
Got in the car.

00:27:45.045 --> 00:27:45.945
driving down the road.

00:27:46.095 --> 00:27:48.255
Two minutes later,
hands start thawing out.

00:27:48.315 --> 00:27:52.935
I had to pull over dry heaving,
agony, painful incapacitated.

00:27:53.145 --> 00:27:53.625
Wow.

00:27:53.745 --> 00:27:58.935
I had basically long story short ended
up with frostbite in my pinky, um, frost.

00:27:59.970 --> 00:28:01.140
That's not from that truck.

00:28:01.140 --> 00:28:02.490
I think that's anchors pencil.

00:28:02.810 --> 00:28:04.030
I'm just looking at it
now you're looking at it.

00:28:04.260 --> 00:28:04.920
Black finger.

00:28:04.980 --> 00:28:06.030
I think that's from the pencil.

00:28:06.035 --> 00:28:06.310
Yeah.

00:28:06.315 --> 00:28:07.620
Yeah, but actually it's this finger.

00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:09.960
Um, and we had to go to the ho
I couldn't sleep that night.

00:28:10.470 --> 00:28:13.350
It's one of the most severe pain
I've had, was having frostbite

00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:15.240
go to the hospital the next day.

00:28:15.245 --> 00:28:18.900
And we had planned to go up and ski
up in the wop then and stay at bohu

00:28:19.470 --> 00:28:22.740
and the dock side, you can't go back
out and expose your, your finger.

00:28:23.220 --> 00:28:27.210
Um, cuz if you get another cold
injury, orating it in the summer.

00:28:27.450 --> 00:28:28.410
Kinda like my fingers.

00:28:28.560 --> 00:28:29.280
I like my fingers.

00:28:29.310 --> 00:28:29.610
Right.

00:28:30.060 --> 00:28:32.550
So I had a lot going on when
we got back to Whistler, like

00:28:32.550 --> 00:28:33.750
we canceled a trip, came back.

00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:35.730
I was doing my ski instructor 1 0 2.

00:28:35.735 --> 00:28:39.420
So I basically had to ski
with Mitz and those hip pads.

00:28:39.794 --> 00:28:40.604
For the rest of the winter.

00:28:40.754 --> 00:28:41.205
Mm.

00:28:41.264 --> 00:28:45.135
And to this day, my fingers are definitely
affected, especially the ones that

00:28:45.135 --> 00:28:48.945
frostbite in mm-hmm . So it's very
subjective to the weather changes wet.

00:28:49.574 --> 00:28:51.824
Um, but that was a lesson on that.

00:28:52.334 --> 00:28:55.274
Like when, when we said, when,
you know, you should do something

00:28:56.054 --> 00:28:57.254
and we talked about it, like, yep.

00:28:57.435 --> 00:28:59.205
Change, change your socks.

00:28:59.535 --> 00:29:00.375
Tighten your boots.

00:29:00.435 --> 00:29:00.705
Yep.

00:29:00.795 --> 00:29:02.085
Fix the blister problem.

00:29:02.205 --> 00:29:04.905
Administrate change that
soaking wet base layer.

00:29:04.965 --> 00:29:07.455
Mm-hmm  change your gloves,
change your, to your, to soaking

00:29:07.455 --> 00:29:09.765
wet, you know, or adjust it.

00:29:10.755 --> 00:29:12.495
That's that's that's key.

00:29:12.615 --> 00:29:12.975
Yeah.

00:29:12.975 --> 00:29:16.815
Those little things of just
the very small, the discipline

00:29:16.820 --> 00:29:19.545
to administrate yourself to

00:29:20.235 --> 00:29:20.565
this pattern.

00:29:20.565 --> 00:29:21.615
We keep coming back to this.

00:29:21.645 --> 00:29:22.215
It is.

00:29:22.275 --> 00:29:25.275
And, but there's something else
in there too, which is kinda

00:29:25.275 --> 00:29:28.635
interesting, which is you thought
about it and went through your head.

00:29:28.695 --> 00:29:29.715
Maybe I should do this.

00:29:29.715 --> 00:29:35.325
And there is this weird little, six
sense type of thing that I don't think

00:29:35.325 --> 00:29:39.045
people should ignore, especially when
they're out in a situation that could be,

00:29:39.615 --> 00:29:42.525
um, could have some dire consequences.

00:29:43.245 --> 00:29:44.355
If for whatever reason.

00:29:44.355 --> 00:29:47.385
Now I get a sense, even,
you know, just around here.

00:29:47.385 --> 00:29:48.765
Oh, I should probably pick this up.

00:29:48.765 --> 00:29:49.665
Someone's gonna trip on it.

00:29:49.665 --> 00:29:49.725
Yeah.

00:29:49.935 --> 00:29:51.225
The second that I think that.

00:29:51.885 --> 00:29:54.255
It's kinda like a self
fulfilling prophecy.

00:29:54.255 --> 00:29:56.535
If I don't pick it up, somebody
will end up tripping on that.

00:29:56.535 --> 00:29:56.805
Right.

00:29:56.805 --> 00:30:00.945
So I've started to learn to really trust
that gut feeling or that sixth sense,

00:30:01.155 --> 00:30:03.405
you know, Travis, uh, I was
just telling you about a climb.

00:30:03.410 --> 00:30:05.025
I did this this Sunday.

00:30:05.115 --> 00:30:05.175
Yeah.

00:30:05.205 --> 00:30:06.555
It was called Goldy locks.

00:30:06.555 --> 00:30:10.755
And it's up in Squamish put up by
calling Morehouse, uh, 15 pitch,

00:30:10.755 --> 00:30:12.975
Alpine climb, traditional climbing.

00:30:12.975 --> 00:30:14.055
So you place in your gear.

00:30:14.595 --> 00:30:19.275
Um, grade goes at, most of the
pitches are like 10 a can B.

00:30:19.635 --> 00:30:22.545
We felt that they're UN um, undergrad.

00:30:22.575 --> 00:30:24.435
They could, every pitch
could be over grade.

00:30:24.435 --> 00:30:26.685
So it's a pretty significant climb, right?

00:30:27.105 --> 00:30:31.095
One hour approach in, we were seven
hours on route, which is pretty good.

00:30:31.095 --> 00:30:34.395
21 minutes, a pitch mm-hmm . So
we're always calculating and timing,

00:30:34.485 --> 00:30:37.755
everything time estimates, but
the walk off there's a walk off.

00:30:38.265 --> 00:30:39.225
There's two ways to get down.

00:30:39.225 --> 00:30:41.655
Rep held the route and called
and Moreell said, don't

00:30:41.660 --> 00:30:43.365
recommend it parties below you.

00:30:43.370 --> 00:30:44.505
There was no parties below us.

00:30:44.510 --> 00:30:44.795
Right?

00:30:45.045 --> 00:30:45.555
Loose rock.

00:30:45.555 --> 00:30:46.965
We didn't really see any loose rock.

00:30:47.025 --> 00:30:47.235
Yeah.

00:30:47.595 --> 00:30:49.845
He did recommend somebody
coming up and bolting.

00:30:50.520 --> 00:30:52.140
A decent propel route off to the side.

00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:53.160
I have the hardware.

00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:53.790
I don't know if you wanna.

00:30:54.180 --> 00:30:54.420
Sure.

00:30:54.420 --> 00:30:55.140
And I could go do it.

00:30:55.170 --> 00:30:56.280
We'd take the gondola up.

00:30:56.850 --> 00:30:57.420
Sounds like fun.

00:30:57.420 --> 00:30:59.520
Let's do it, propel ourselves
in and bolt the route.

00:30:59.525 --> 00:31:03.060
But the other way is you walk back to
the gon and that wouldn't have worked

00:31:03.060 --> 00:31:06.870
for us because we would need another
four by four to get back up the road.

00:31:07.350 --> 00:31:10.080
So he says there's a
bushwa three hour bushwa.

00:31:11.310 --> 00:31:14.670
And to do the repel, you
needed a 70 meter rope.

00:31:14.850 --> 00:31:16.890
We brought a 60 and I have this Escaper.

00:31:16.890 --> 00:31:19.920
It allows me to repel single,
and you can pull it right.

00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:21.780
It's not meant to do 15 wraps like that.

00:31:21.785 --> 00:31:22.860
One wrap one off.

00:31:23.010 --> 00:31:24.930
This Escaper is pretty cool off the show.

00:31:24.935 --> 00:31:26.250
It, you, it's a pretty cool system.

00:31:26.255 --> 00:31:26.340
Sure.

00:31:26.790 --> 00:31:32.430
The BL Escaper where you can turn your
single rope into a 60, but we talked

00:31:32.430 --> 00:31:33.840
about it and then we didn't action it.

00:31:34.170 --> 00:31:34.530
Mm.

00:31:34.710 --> 00:31:38.280
And that's um, there's two, two
rules that I kind of follow.

00:31:39.210 --> 00:31:43.470
If I'm uncertain about something,
the first rule is get more info.

00:31:44.055 --> 00:31:44.925
Mm, right.

00:31:44.925 --> 00:31:46.395
Get more beta, more info.

00:31:46.485 --> 00:31:46.785
Mm.

00:31:46.845 --> 00:31:50.085
And the second rule is
increase your margin of safety.

00:31:50.925 --> 00:31:51.255
Right?

00:31:51.465 --> 00:31:54.405
So these are the two rules I apply when
I'm planning to go in the back country.

00:31:54.405 --> 00:31:57.045
So you gotta get your
information if you're uncertain.

00:31:57.555 --> 00:32:00.615
And one way to create, like for example,
we could have increased our margin of

00:32:00.615 --> 00:32:04.935
safety for this route by bringing a 70
meter route though, a 60 is adequate,

00:32:05.325 --> 00:32:09.225
but a 60 wouldn't be adequate to
repel the route, unless you have an

00:32:09.225 --> 00:32:10.845
Escaper for some of the longer route.

00:32:10.995 --> 00:32:11.115
Right.

00:32:11.115 --> 00:32:14.055
And I wouldn't, the Escaper is more
for emergency or that one off repel.

00:32:15.105 --> 00:32:18.405
So we talked about the 70,
we didn't bring it right.

00:32:19.005 --> 00:32:22.185
But there is ways of turning my 60
into a 70 without the Escaper too.

00:32:22.185 --> 00:32:22.275
Sure.

00:32:22.280 --> 00:32:25.065
And that's some Jedi guide stuff
that I can assure you later on.

00:32:25.065 --> 00:32:25.635
Sure, sure.

00:32:26.475 --> 00:32:28.275
We didn't even think about that either.

00:32:28.275 --> 00:32:30.645
And we both thought to ourselves
at the top, would've been nice

00:32:30.645 --> 00:32:35.805
to repel, but we sat off on the
bushwa and the bushwa was horrible.

00:32:36.075 --> 00:32:37.935
It was literally jungle warfare.

00:32:38.535 --> 00:32:42.345
one meter like horrible Bush
whacking for three hours to go back

00:32:42.345 --> 00:32:43.545
down to the forest service road.

00:32:44.025 --> 00:32:45.795
So just wrapped should have wrapped.

00:32:45.915 --> 00:32:49.365
And, and I said to Steph,
I said, let's avoid trips.

00:32:49.365 --> 00:32:51.345
Now that involve Bush walking.

00:32:51.465 --> 00:32:54.195
Mm-hmm  when they say three hours of
Bush walking, let's go find something

00:32:54.195 --> 00:32:59.205
else or find another, even though our
guts, our guts, you know, said don't

00:32:59.205 --> 00:33:03.195
like, bring a 70 mm-hmm  really think
about rapping, even though Colin say

00:33:03.195 --> 00:33:05.085
don't wrap it, totally wrap this route.

00:33:05.145 --> 00:33:05.235
Right?

00:33:05.235 --> 00:33:07.125
Like they do in a red rock,
there'll be 20 parties trying

00:33:07.125 --> 00:33:08.715
to wrap, I mean, popular route.

00:33:08.925 --> 00:33:09.165
Right.

00:33:09.435 --> 00:33:13.485
And I get it in the Rockies when
you have limestone and rock fall.

00:33:13.485 --> 00:33:16.755
And mm-hmm,  same up in marble canyon
here, but this route's totally adequate.

00:33:16.875 --> 00:33:18.765
It's just not a very good repel route.

00:33:18.945 --> 00:33:21.555
Mm-hmm, there's a lot of
horizontal movement and stuff.

00:33:21.555 --> 00:33:21.855
Right.

00:33:22.455 --> 00:33:27.075
So I, you know, I think, you know,
we, we talk about our guts and, and,

00:33:27.075 --> 00:33:31.905
you know, like for example, I said,
you know, I need to change my gloves.

00:33:32.265 --> 00:33:32.595
Right.

00:33:32.685 --> 00:33:33.435
But I didn't do it.

00:33:34.935 --> 00:33:40.575
Unfortunately, we often,
um, overpower that.

00:33:41.774 --> 00:33:48.135
Whatever that conscious, um, influence
is telling us to do something.

00:33:48.225 --> 00:33:52.905
Mm-hmm  we usually put it to our
mental map after it's gone wrong.

00:33:53.205 --> 00:33:53.534
Right.

00:33:53.925 --> 00:33:58.514
And usually, you know, the incidents
aren't significant enough to kill us.

00:33:58.604 --> 00:34:00.495
Mm-hmm  another mentor.

00:34:00.495 --> 00:34:03.104
Ben Peter says is mountain guide
says that, you know, some of the

00:34:03.614 --> 00:34:06.824
recreationally climbing we see is there
should be more fatalities out there,

00:34:06.830 --> 00:34:08.295
but humans are really hard to kill.

00:34:08.525 --> 00:34:09.554
Right, right.

00:34:09.560 --> 00:34:10.634
It's a luck game, right?

00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:10.725
Yep.

00:34:11.085 --> 00:34:13.784
The survival game is actually,
I believe it's really hard.

00:34:14.054 --> 00:34:20.154
Mm-hmm  and I see it so many times out
there with rec parties, but, um, I think

00:34:21.045 --> 00:34:23.924
we need to make that mistake survive.

00:34:24.344 --> 00:34:29.174
if we can put it to our mental map
and I'm, I rarely ever make that

00:34:29.435 --> 00:34:33.674
decision, that mistake twice mm-hmm
and, um, I'm probably my worst credit.

00:34:35.265 --> 00:34:36.195
Critic critic.

00:34:36.255 --> 00:34:36.465
Yes.

00:34:36.465 --> 00:34:37.725
On, on my exams.

00:34:37.785 --> 00:34:38.025
Yeah.

00:34:38.205 --> 00:34:40.605
I beat myself up harder
than the examiners.

00:34:41.175 --> 00:34:44.025
And, but, and I tell 'em that too.

00:34:44.085 --> 00:34:47.985
Like I really process, I analyze it
for 24 hours where I made that mistake.

00:34:47.990 --> 00:34:51.945
Mm-hmm  but my takeaway from it is
I never make that mistake again.

00:34:52.005 --> 00:34:57.825
And I tell the, the examiners that I said,
and I can actually put the examiner and

00:34:57.825 --> 00:35:04.005
the mistake and the exam I was on in my
guiding stream as a learning mental map.

00:35:04.245 --> 00:35:11.085
Mm-hmm,  where this guide said, you know,
like, um, I can remember for example, um,

00:35:11.685 --> 00:35:17.835
my Gado, who is a, our technical director
for the ACMG on my apprentice training

00:35:18.405 --> 00:35:25.544
in Whistler, the turn I skied under the
recreational, um, Uh, Decker, right?

00:35:25.694 --> 00:35:28.214
The recreational tri just goes
under Decker and you head out yeah.

00:35:28.395 --> 00:35:29.115
That's normal route.

00:35:29.174 --> 00:35:31.754
And he is like, Jay, I need you
to take as an apprentice guide.

00:35:32.294 --> 00:35:34.995
Um, the safer option, right?

00:35:35.654 --> 00:35:38.924
I need you to take, um,
the lesser of two evils.

00:35:38.924 --> 00:35:40.004
And I put that to my mind.

00:35:40.004 --> 00:35:41.984
I'm like, yeah, that totally makes sense.

00:35:42.015 --> 00:35:46.035
Mm-hmm  um, and recently this winter I
was guiding rainbow peak, rainbow peak

00:35:46.035 --> 00:35:50.024
has gen peak and it's a really fun day
trip, but I recommend the hell drop.

00:35:50.115 --> 00:35:52.544
I know a guy  but you can do it.

00:35:52.605 --> 00:35:54.524
And gen peak is a freaking flyer.

00:35:54.529 --> 00:35:59.774
It usually kills one to two people
a year mm-hmm  and I had a, a client

00:35:59.805 --> 00:36:01.935
up there and we got the gen lake.

00:36:02.055 --> 00:36:05.834
I can't, maybe it's generally it's the
lake that's at the base of gen peak.

00:36:05.834 --> 00:36:06.105
Okay.

00:36:06.435 --> 00:36:10.395
We went out to the center of the lake,
had our lunch transitioned, two rec

00:36:10.395 --> 00:36:12.404
parties skinned right underneath gen peak.

00:36:12.404 --> 00:36:13.305
And that's where they stopped.

00:36:13.575 --> 00:36:13.845
Mm.

00:36:13.875 --> 00:36:18.060
And I said, looking at this, I
said, I know today, We're at like

00:36:18.060 --> 00:36:19.920
two 11 in terms of avalanche risk.

00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:23.850
It's Bulletproof nothing's gonna
happen, but do the recreational

00:36:23.850 --> 00:36:27.090
party know that mm-hmm  and I
said, probably not, probably not.

00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.509
Then I pulled up pictures of
avalanches that almost reached

00:36:30.509 --> 00:36:31.730
the center of the lake mm.

00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:33.720
From the overhead above gen peak.

00:36:33.720 --> 00:36:38.100
And I said, I always default to the
safer option, even though I can actually

00:36:38.100 --> 00:36:41.790
make a hazard assessment and go on this
day, it's safe to stop where they did.

00:36:41.790 --> 00:36:44.580
I think it's just bad habit
to get into mm-hmm  right.

00:36:44.640 --> 00:36:47.160
So I think that's, you know, well,

00:36:47.160 --> 00:36:48.240
that's a growing thing too.

00:36:48.540 --> 00:36:52.380
It is like, you get older, you
get, um, you see what could go

00:36:52.384 --> 00:36:55.710
wrong when you're younger, you're
invincible nothing's gonna happen.

00:36:55.710 --> 00:36:56.009
Right.

00:36:56.220 --> 00:36:57.810
Or you don't care if anything happens.

00:36:58.170 --> 00:36:58.680
Exactly.

00:36:59.160 --> 00:37:02.580
Um, you know, well, that's why they
say like 25, uh, 20 to 25 is the

00:37:02.580 --> 00:37:04.980
highest fatality rate in young men.

00:37:05.430 --> 00:37:07.380
Is it more adventurous, less hazard?

00:37:07.620 --> 00:37:08.520
I could see that awareness.

00:37:08.940 --> 00:37:09.779
Um, and it's interesting.

00:37:09.779 --> 00:37:13.665
And I always say this, like the,
um,  you know, the British army has

00:37:13.665 --> 00:37:19.044
a matrix of what age you should be
at what rank, you know, private 16

00:37:19.095 --> 00:37:27.794
to 18, Lance corporals are 18 to
2122 section commanders, 23 to 25.

00:37:27.944 --> 00:37:32.805
Mm-hmm  right at that age because
they are leading the ban at church

00:37:32.984 --> 00:37:37.665
mm-hmm . Um, when we were teaching
those pre SES selection courses for

00:37:37.665 --> 00:37:39.645
the core guys to go on the infantry.

00:37:40.455 --> 00:37:42.045
Training course that I was
one of the instructors.

00:37:42.255 --> 00:37:46.155
Remember one of the chief instructors
saying section commanders are pit

00:37:46.155 --> 00:37:48.855
bulls being held by the platoon
commander on a chain mm-hmm

00:37:49.095 --> 00:37:51.435
And then the platoon
commander releases them.

00:37:51.585 --> 00:37:52.695
And that totally stuck with me.

00:37:52.695 --> 00:37:56.505
And they were mm-hmm  and in Iraq,
I was that I was that cutting edge.

00:37:56.655 --> 00:37:59.925
Mm-hmm , you know, leading the charges
in, you know, in the buildings and,

00:38:00.375 --> 00:38:02.385
um, El mark ABAR and things like that.

00:38:03.165 --> 00:38:07.065
Um, and the time I rolled in, in
Afghanistan, I was a platoon Sergeant

00:38:07.215 --> 00:38:13.125
and I was happy to be one tactical
bound back from the assault exception

00:38:13.845 --> 00:38:17.085
because what these boys got up to and
what they had to do, I'm just like.

00:38:17.835 --> 00:38:20.924
You know, I was probably 28 then mm-hmm,
the old man at 28 in the platoon.

00:38:20.984 --> 00:38:21.254
Right.

00:38:21.765 --> 00:38:25.665
Um, where my Canadian counterpart, I met
this warrant there from RCR, one of my

00:38:25.665 --> 00:38:27.015
buddies, and I we've talked about it.

00:38:27.015 --> 00:38:27.855
He was like 38.

00:38:27.855 --> 00:38:29.535
Mm-hmm  doing the same jobs.

00:38:29.535 --> 00:38:29.835
Right.

00:38:29.944 --> 00:38:33.705
Mm-hmm  um, but at 28 I was a
voice reason in that platoon.

00:38:33.710 --> 00:38:34.665
And I agree with you.

00:38:34.665 --> 00:38:37.064
And I got 23 to 25 is pretty critical.

00:38:37.365 --> 00:38:40.395
Mm-hmm  also the high,
highest fatality, you know?

00:38:40.725 --> 00:38:42.524
Well, you've mentioned a couple of things.

00:38:42.524 --> 00:38:46.205
So, uh, your phone, you're using the phone
for navigation mm-hmm  and you're loving.

00:38:46.830 --> 00:38:47.310
I love that.

00:38:47.310 --> 00:38:47.550
Yeah.

00:38:47.670 --> 00:38:49.980
Um, are you carrying backup battery power

00:38:49.980 --> 00:38:50.280
with you?

00:38:50.490 --> 00:38:51.150
A hundred percent.

00:38:51.390 --> 00:38:51.570
Okay.

00:38:51.780 --> 00:38:54.000
So there's certain things.

00:38:54.000 --> 00:39:00.630
So we it's interesting now, um, like Murn
park outside TWA mm-hmm  people get lost.

00:39:00.690 --> 00:39:00.990
Sure.

00:39:00.990 --> 00:39:01.650
And call SAR.

00:39:02.490 --> 00:39:04.920
And if they had situational awareness Hmm.

00:39:05.310 --> 00:39:06.690
They know that you got the ocean.

00:39:07.020 --> 00:39:07.290
Mm.

00:39:07.290 --> 00:39:09.330
You got the highway, you got the mine.

00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:12.870
Mm-hmm  and you got the highway mm-hmm
you're gonna walk in a direction.

00:39:12.930 --> 00:39:13.110
Yep.

00:39:13.560 --> 00:39:14.190
You're gonna get out.

00:39:14.730 --> 00:39:18.540
But they get lost in a
kilometer square footage.

00:39:18.630 --> 00:39:19.590
Mm-hmm  and they call SAR.

00:39:19.590 --> 00:39:23.340
Mm-hmm  um, and it's really
critical with your phone.

00:39:23.370 --> 00:39:28.110
If you find yourself in that situation,
you have to, um, save battery life.

00:39:28.110 --> 00:39:32.820
So airplane mode's really critical,
but you can't obviously use

00:39:32.820 --> 00:39:33.900
your cell with airplane mode.

00:39:33.930 --> 00:39:34.260
Right.

00:39:34.680 --> 00:39:38.340
But if you have cell reception,
then you need to call that's your

00:39:38.340 --> 00:39:42.270
most primary thing right away is
call and everyone has an iPhone.

00:39:42.270 --> 00:39:43.020
I don't know anything else.

00:39:43.335 --> 00:39:45.495
Besides iPhones, all these
other smartphones, but on the

00:39:45.495 --> 00:39:46.755
iPhone, they have a compass app.

00:39:46.845 --> 00:39:47.925
Mm-hmm  that comes with it.

00:39:48.285 --> 00:39:49.875
The compass app has your long lot.

00:39:49.965 --> 00:39:53.775
All you gotta do is call when you
call nine one one, they put you to

00:39:53.775 --> 00:39:58.095
the SAR manager, open that compass
app and give 'em that long lot.

00:39:58.095 --> 00:39:59.235
And it gives you elevation.

00:39:59.325 --> 00:39:59.565
Yeah.

00:39:59.835 --> 00:40:01.575
They're gonna find you
that's really critical.

00:40:01.725 --> 00:40:05.025
And often what happens is that
our managers talk people through

00:40:05.355 --> 00:40:06.495
how to find their location.

00:40:07.275 --> 00:40:14.580
I highly recommend navigation
apps like Gaia, Cal Topo, um, Fat.

00:40:14.580 --> 00:40:15.420
Map's pretty big.

00:40:15.420 --> 00:40:18.360
I'm not a big fat map map guy, myself.

00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:22.140
I really like Cal topple
mm-hmm , um, building roots and

00:40:22.140 --> 00:40:23.670
then I import them into my Gaia.

00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:24.290
Okay.

00:40:24.430 --> 00:40:27.450
And I think Gaia's a really
good navigation yeah.

00:40:27.450 --> 00:40:29.310
At, to use, but I love Cal topple.

00:40:29.580 --> 00:40:31.890
You can build the root, it
gives you the elevation.

00:40:32.130 --> 00:40:35.640
And then I, I calculate my speed
distance time with this, with

00:40:35.640 --> 00:40:37.080
another app called guide space.

00:40:37.830 --> 00:40:37.890
Yeah.

00:40:37.895 --> 00:40:38.250
That I use.

00:40:38.250 --> 00:40:41.130
So those three apps are my
biggest tools is the guide pace.

00:40:41.160 --> 00:40:42.360
And the compass is good too.

00:40:42.390 --> 00:40:45.600
I love the compass mm-hmm  with
quick reference elevation.

00:40:46.140 --> 00:40:49.920
Um, so when I'm obviously
navigating, I go to airplane

00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:51.240
mode, close, all your other apps.

00:40:51.240 --> 00:40:53.010
It drains, it drains the phone.

00:40:53.550 --> 00:40:56.580
So airplane mode also, I
don't know if you know this.

00:40:57.450 --> 00:41:00.510
Did you know if you charge your phone
in airplane mode, it charges faster.

00:41:00.660 --> 00:41:00.840
I

00:41:00.845 --> 00:41:02.310
did not know that you not know that.

00:41:02.310 --> 00:41:03.030
I didn't know that.

00:41:03.035 --> 00:41:03.450
Start the game

00:41:03.450 --> 00:41:06.180
trap really go play mode and it's.

00:41:07.095 --> 00:41:09.015
It, it, it rockstar it in,

00:41:09.315 --> 00:41:10.365
I know, works as fast.

00:41:10.424 --> 00:41:13.185
I, I believe the newer phones.

00:41:13.185 --> 00:41:13.305
Yeah.

00:41:13.305 --> 00:41:18.945
iPhones will charge from like zero to 25
really quick and then slower afterwards.

00:41:18.950 --> 00:41:20.355
So they can get a
emergency charge on plane.

00:41:20.355 --> 00:41:20.715
Try,

00:41:20.775 --> 00:41:21.645
like even in your truck.

00:41:21.645 --> 00:41:24.795
I I've been doing airplane mode probably
six, seven years now with iPhones.

00:41:25.065 --> 00:41:28.245
Interesting charges it like,
you know, like for example, um,

00:41:28.424 --> 00:41:29.174
like it makes sense.

00:41:29.174 --> 00:41:31.335
It's not gonna have as much
draw as you're charging it.

00:41:31.335 --> 00:41:31.424
Like

00:41:31.665 --> 00:41:36.525
often I, uh, will have my not start
my truck, but just turn the key.

00:41:36.525 --> 00:41:37.965
So it's charging off the battery.

00:41:38.025 --> 00:41:38.355
Right.

00:41:38.505 --> 00:41:43.575
So I don't wanna waste fuel, but I can
waste enough battery in my truck to

00:41:43.575 --> 00:41:45.285
charge my phone, go to airplane mode.

00:41:45.404 --> 00:41:46.755
And it's a fraction of the time.

00:41:47.265 --> 00:41:49.904
So that's why you can carry a small cell.

00:41:50.325 --> 00:41:55.185
I think I like usually just carry
the zero or zero, whatever, go zero.

00:41:55.305 --> 00:41:55.575
Yeah.

00:41:55.745 --> 00:41:56.035
Yeah.

00:41:56.035 --> 00:41:56.195
Okay.

00:41:56.195 --> 00:42:00.255
The low I get about four full
charges out of it in a claim mode.

00:42:00.255 --> 00:42:00.525
Yeah.

00:42:01.384 --> 00:42:02.075
that's pretty good.

00:42:02.134 --> 00:42:02.435
Yeah.

00:42:02.765 --> 00:42:05.915
Um, for longer trips, like I would
say anything more in three days

00:42:05.915 --> 00:42:09.665
I have a solar charged battery,
small, probably the sizes notebook.

00:42:09.754 --> 00:42:09.964
Yep.

00:42:10.325 --> 00:42:13.415
And I've migrated to all my systems.

00:42:13.535 --> 00:42:15.634
My headlamp can be charged by that.

00:42:16.174 --> 00:42:18.274
Um, my iPhone, my e-reader.

00:42:18.455 --> 00:42:18.634
So

00:42:18.634 --> 00:42:20.765
you're using a rechargeable
headlamp, not a battery.

00:42:20.794 --> 00:42:21.064
Yeah.

00:42:21.095 --> 00:42:21.395
Correct.

00:42:21.665 --> 00:42:22.115
Okay.

00:42:22.294 --> 00:42:27.185
And the rechargeable headlamp is
good without bringing like, um,

00:42:27.185 --> 00:42:28.475
I'm probably good for three days.

00:42:29.044 --> 00:42:29.285
Right.

00:42:29.285 --> 00:42:31.625
And be honest, I try not to
move that much at night anymore.

00:42:31.629 --> 00:42:31.984
Sure.

00:42:31.990 --> 00:42:32.254
Right.

00:42:32.254 --> 00:42:32.495
Sure.

00:42:32.495 --> 00:42:35.044
It's like, I try not to,
there is Alpine start.

00:42:35.044 --> 00:42:35.285
Sure.

00:42:35.290 --> 00:42:36.335
We we're marching off.

00:42:36.365 --> 00:42:36.455
Yep.

00:42:36.665 --> 00:42:36.964
Right.

00:42:36.970 --> 00:42:39.665
3:00 AM with headlamp and
you have different settings.

00:42:39.665 --> 00:42:40.865
So you go really low light.

00:42:40.924 --> 00:42:41.105
Yeah.

00:42:41.109 --> 00:42:43.444
If I'm technically climbing,
then I'll go higher beam.

00:42:43.774 --> 00:42:46.325
So I save that energy for that lamp.

00:42:46.415 --> 00:42:50.825
So I'm using, um, yeah,
I'm charging with that.

00:42:51.004 --> 00:42:52.444
So on Denali, I.

00:42:53.595 --> 00:42:57.525
My iPhone, my eReader, my
headlamp, all got charged with

00:42:57.525 --> 00:43:00.195
this solar panel battery pack.

00:43:00.195 --> 00:43:01.065
That was this size.

00:43:01.485 --> 00:43:01.695
Hmm.

00:43:01.845 --> 00:43:02.745
When it's that cold though?

00:43:02.745 --> 00:43:04.845
Minus three at night, everything's
gotta go in the sleep bag.

00:43:04.905 --> 00:43:05.235
Right?

00:43:05.325 --> 00:43:07.935
All the, anything batteries gotta
go in your sleep bag at that cold.

00:43:07.995 --> 00:43:09.105
Batter's only cold, right?

00:43:09.185 --> 00:43:09.385
Yeah.

00:43:09.390 --> 00:43:09.585
Yeah.

00:43:09.585 --> 00:43:10.245
Always in there.

00:43:10.635 --> 00:43:13.545
And, and your fuel canisters, but
you shouldn't have full canisters

00:43:13.545 --> 00:43:16.875
on the alley unless you're
climbing the more technical route.

00:43:16.875 --> 00:43:18.135
You be white gas anyways.

00:43:18.135 --> 00:43:18.435
Right.

00:43:18.555 --> 00:43:21.465
But, um, all that is in your sleep bag.

00:43:21.470 --> 00:43:25.845
So yeah, that definitely, if
it's a day trip, I usually don't

00:43:25.845 --> 00:43:28.545
bring that spare, um, battery.

00:43:28.665 --> 00:43:31.635
Mm-hmm  I'll just, I go
straight to airplane mode.

00:43:32.095 --> 00:43:32.385
Okay.

00:43:32.595 --> 00:43:33.435
Just save my battery.

00:43:33.825 --> 00:43:34.155
Right.

00:43:34.875 --> 00:43:40.425
And, and you gotta have it your
phone soon as you use that screen.

00:43:41.595 --> 00:43:44.714
Close it mm-hmm  as in shut the
phone off on the side, like not

00:43:44.714 --> 00:43:46.154
down, but like close that screen.

00:43:46.185 --> 00:43:49.365
I've had it where I've
left it on the camera.

00:43:49.365 --> 00:43:51.944
Like you go to take a photo
and it stays on, stays on.

00:43:51.944 --> 00:43:53.084
That just sucks the battery.

00:43:53.115 --> 00:43:53.354
Right?

00:43:53.384 --> 00:43:57.674
So you gotta be really diligent, like
shut the phone off into hibernation mode.

00:43:57.794 --> 00:43:58.544
Mm-hmm  right away.

00:43:58.549 --> 00:43:58.845
Boom.

00:43:58.845 --> 00:43:59.174
Save it.

00:43:59.354 --> 00:43:59.654
Right.

00:44:00.254 --> 00:44:04.995
Um, I try not to track too many
maps like Gaia, when you Gaia can

00:44:04.995 --> 00:44:06.794
track Telepo can track fat map.

00:44:06.915 --> 00:44:12.075
Mm-hmm  as soon as you do that, it just
depletes the energy mm-hmm  of the phone.

00:44:12.075 --> 00:44:14.415
So often I'll just create
my own maps anyways.

00:44:14.805 --> 00:44:19.125
Um, if it's key, I like, I really want
to track this, then I will track it and

00:44:19.125 --> 00:44:20.745
then I'll ensure I have battery pack.

00:44:20.805 --> 00:44:25.214
So if I'm tracking on a day track day
trip, then I bring a spray battery.

00:44:25.665 --> 00:44:31.515
You know, another way I do as a guide
now is I will build the route and

00:44:31.515 --> 00:44:33.375
share it with all my clients smart.

00:44:33.645 --> 00:44:35.115
So now everybody has it.

00:44:35.115 --> 00:44:36.464
So that's backup navigation.

00:44:36.615 --> 00:44:37.125
Mm-hmm  right.

00:44:37.125 --> 00:44:38.354
So everybody's on their iPhone.

00:44:38.354 --> 00:44:38.805
Has that.

00:44:39.180 --> 00:44:42.840
That route, um, something comes to
mind, we're talking about it, but,

00:44:42.845 --> 00:44:49.440
um, famous Alpine traverse called
the, um, Haltz route in, in the Alps

00:44:49.950 --> 00:44:56.100
in 2018 and a storm came in and 16
people died right over that weekend.

00:44:56.190 --> 00:45:00.810
And one of the parties was a 10 person
team, um, led by a mountain guide and

00:45:00.810 --> 00:45:04.260
his wife and they set off just pre-storm.

00:45:04.350 --> 00:45:07.740
It would've been better to probably
hang out in one of the huts.

00:45:07.770 --> 00:45:08.190
Sure.

00:45:08.520 --> 00:45:13.230
And he got, there were, I think
there were then four to 600 meters

00:45:13.230 --> 00:45:15.060
of, of the other hut on this Ridge.

00:45:15.065 --> 00:45:17.760
They couldn't find the exit
down mm-hmm  and his iPhone.

00:45:18.990 --> 00:45:24.720
And, um, eight people died that night
in his group, including him, the, the

00:45:24.720 --> 00:45:28.590
mountain guide and one person did,
I believe have a GPS, but it wasn't

00:45:28.590 --> 00:45:30.120
getting shared or anything else.

00:45:30.125 --> 00:45:34.245
And that's one thing,
um,  on a big expedition.

00:45:34.245 --> 00:45:39.015
I will bring a GPS and
plot the basic points.

00:45:39.135 --> 00:45:39.795
Mm-hmm  right.

00:45:39.795 --> 00:45:43.875
If you actually had the basic points,
but I don't, I find the older GPSs,

00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:47.955
they're not as, um, modernized right.

00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:51.285
With all the map layers and the
navigation as their iPhones.

00:45:51.345 --> 00:45:51.915
Sure.

00:45:52.035 --> 00:45:52.365
Right.

00:45:52.365 --> 00:45:56.085
So there's that trade off and they're
heavy and heavy by saying that I do have

00:45:56.085 --> 00:45:58.215
a little ere that's like, you know, right.

00:45:58.215 --> 00:45:59.205
The little guy, the little guy.

00:45:59.235 --> 00:45:59.415
Yeah.

00:45:59.445 --> 00:45:59.685
Right.

00:45:59.865 --> 00:46:04.125
But navigating, it's not the same,
the way points and everything,

00:46:04.130 --> 00:46:06.885
but it would be good to drop,
you know, critical way points.

00:46:07.485 --> 00:46:11.715
Like for example, that, um, critical
descent route you'd have the hu the,

00:46:11.925 --> 00:46:15.525
and that critical descent route would
be perfect to do so if something

00:46:15.525 --> 00:46:16.995
like that I'd have that in the group.

00:46:17.205 --> 00:46:20.145
I don't necessarily have to carry
it, but you'd have that backup.

00:46:20.655 --> 00:46:26.535
But, you know, honestly for myself,
um, I also carry an in reach.

00:46:26.805 --> 00:46:27.105
Right?

00:46:27.225 --> 00:46:29.655
So the little one, the little
I have the mini in reach.

00:46:29.655 --> 00:46:29.945
Yeah.

00:46:30.345 --> 00:46:35.685
And this goes back to the basics again,
where I can get my, um, if my iPhone

00:46:35.685 --> 00:46:41.325
shuts down, I can turn on this in reach
and I can get my UTM grid reference.

00:46:41.355 --> 00:46:41.595
Right.

00:46:41.775 --> 00:46:43.965
So if I have my map, you you're golden.

00:46:44.145 --> 00:46:45.645
I can find where I am on the map.

00:46:45.665 --> 00:46:47.115
Mm-hmm  and just plot my point.

00:46:47.445 --> 00:46:49.155
Now we're back to the
old school map compass.

00:46:49.155 --> 00:46:53.565
So these are old skills that we,
uh, even though they're old schools

00:46:53.565 --> 00:46:58.155
that you and I grew up on, um,
don't pay a lip service, right?

00:46:58.155 --> 00:47:01.665
Mm-hmm  like, definitely you need
to, well, it's worthwhile, worthwhile

00:47:01.665 --> 00:47:03.645
understanding how to read a UTM grid.

00:47:03.735 --> 00:47:03.975
Yeah.

00:47:04.905 --> 00:47:06.405
I've, I've migrated from the military.

00:47:06.405 --> 00:47:07.635
Good reference to the UTM.

00:47:07.725 --> 00:47:07.995
Mm.

00:47:08.415 --> 00:47:10.035
Um, I'm in and out long lats.

00:47:10.035 --> 00:47:12.795
I don't think it's as accurate,
but SAR likes the long lats.

00:47:12.885 --> 00:47:13.095
Okay.

00:47:13.095 --> 00:47:15.015
You get that in aviation long LA yeah.

00:47:16.399 --> 00:47:17.190
UTMs really important.

00:47:17.399 --> 00:47:20.040
I think it's the easiest way
to navigate understand UTM.

00:47:20.399 --> 00:47:24.390
So you can take that navigation
point from your end reach, plug

00:47:24.390 --> 00:47:25.740
on the map and that's my backup,

00:47:25.890 --> 00:47:27.330
but you have to have your GPS.

00:47:27.330 --> 00:47:29.759
So that's UTMs universal, transverse Meor.

00:47:29.940 --> 00:47:30.029
Yeah.

00:47:30.029 --> 00:47:33.299
And that's so you can take a look
at your map and exactly shows you

00:47:33.299 --> 00:47:35.279
exactly what map you should be
looking at and shows you exact.

00:47:35.279 --> 00:47:37.710
If you know how to read it, you can
see exactly where you are in the grid.

00:47:37.710 --> 00:47:37.770
Yeah.

00:47:37.770 --> 00:47:38.970
And it, it is a just.

00:47:40.065 --> 00:47:43.245
The the military good reference
system is a condensed version of that.

00:47:43.305 --> 00:47:43.665
Right.

00:47:43.995 --> 00:47:49.455
But, um, both are effective, but I
just find UTM now is just it's you

00:47:49.455 --> 00:47:51.585
don't have to convert anything easy.

00:47:51.825 --> 00:47:52.485
It's easy.

00:47:52.634 --> 00:47:53.775
Um, and understanding it.

00:47:53.775 --> 00:47:55.125
So I think that's really important.

00:47:55.365 --> 00:47:57.404
That's my backup really is the map.

00:47:57.615 --> 00:48:00.795
UTM compass eptember I carry
an, a temperature ever.

00:48:00.795 --> 00:48:02.445
I go mm-hmm  um,

00:48:03.345 --> 00:48:05.295
so that would be what your watch
or would that be your watch?

00:48:05.295 --> 00:48:05.565
Yeah.

00:48:05.570 --> 00:48:06.165
Yeah, my watch.

00:48:06.225 --> 00:48:07.815
So you'd have to always zero

00:48:07.815 --> 00:48:09.404
that zero in the morning, right?

00:48:09.410 --> 00:48:09.615
Yeah.

00:48:09.855 --> 00:48:10.605
It's kind of good too.

00:48:10.605 --> 00:48:12.495
Cuz now we're getting into
the weather mountain weather.

00:48:12.585 --> 00:48:12.884
Right.

00:48:12.975 --> 00:48:16.185
But you know, you look at the
barometer and the easiest.

00:48:16.590 --> 00:48:21.600
Layman's terms if your barometer
affects your altitude mm-hmm  so

00:48:21.720 --> 00:48:25.410
like if your, um, altitude has
gone up, you wanna go down, right.

00:48:25.415 --> 00:48:26.460
That's the most layman, right?

00:48:26.580 --> 00:48:26.760
Yeah.

00:48:26.765 --> 00:48:26.810
Yeah.

00:48:27.330 --> 00:48:30.360
If the Altitude's gone down, it goes
up and we can get more into the weather

00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:32.580
and barometer concept after you'd

00:48:32.580 --> 00:48:33.540
have a low pressure.

00:48:33.570 --> 00:48:33.840
Yeah.

00:48:33.870 --> 00:48:35.460
Low pressure, high
pressure systems, right.

00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:36.570
Layman terms.

00:48:36.570 --> 00:48:39.000
That's one way, just another
fun thing to look at.

00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:39.240
Right.

00:48:39.270 --> 00:48:39.480
So

00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:43.920
one thing that I tend to bring with
me is, um, I always like to have a

00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:49.530
way to make fire and I always now
bring a SIL tarp, some sort of a 4%.

00:48:49.530 --> 00:48:49.800
Yeah.

00:48:50.130 --> 00:48:52.260
So you're in the Alpine
a lot more than I am.

00:48:52.265 --> 00:48:58.530
I'm in the Bush Mo mostly slogging
through, but having a, um, a SIL

00:48:58.530 --> 00:49:02.250
tarp has been a godsend for us
on, on a number of occasions.

00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:08.340
And I, I remember we did a fly
in to, uh, spa C last year and it

00:49:08.340 --> 00:49:10.560
was, uh, myself, my wife, my son.

00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:16.110
And we were in quasi remote area.

00:49:16.110 --> 00:49:19.740
Well, I mean, remote area in so much as
there's nobody around for miles and miles,

00:49:19.740 --> 00:49:21.960
but another group had also flown in.

00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:26.520
So we were at a base camp area
and got up in the morning.

00:49:26.520 --> 00:49:27.840
We're gonna hike up the mountain side.

00:49:27.930 --> 00:49:29.400
We had an area we're gonna scope out.

00:49:29.405 --> 00:49:30.420
We're looking for caribou.

00:49:30.810 --> 00:49:35.550
And, uh, I remember we're going up there.

00:49:35.730 --> 00:49:39.930
We have our packs on going light
as you can, but still have your kit

00:49:39.930 --> 00:49:42.810
with you because if things go well,
you're gonna be coming back heavy.

00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:43.170
Right.

00:49:43.259 --> 00:49:45.540
So you're gonna be coming
back with an animal and.

00:49:46.065 --> 00:49:51.645
I, as we're slogging up the mountain
side, this other group of guys

00:49:51.645 --> 00:49:57.674
comes racing up shorts and runners
and, uh, no packs or most of them,

00:49:57.680 --> 00:49:59.444
and they're running up past us.

00:49:59.444 --> 00:50:01.215
And my son's getting a little upset.

00:50:01.215 --> 00:50:03.315
He's like, man, we got up early,
we're doing all this stuff.

00:50:03.825 --> 00:50:06.615
And these guys are gonna come up or they
get to see the animals before we do.

00:50:06.615 --> 00:50:07.634
I'm like, don't worry about it.

00:50:07.965 --> 00:50:08.745
Let's just keep going.

00:50:08.745 --> 00:50:09.015
Right.

00:50:09.105 --> 00:50:13.065
Anyways, we, uh, as we get higher and
higher in elevation and the weather

00:50:13.065 --> 00:50:19.424
changes, this was in, uh, August late
August and, uh, uh, starts raining,

00:50:19.515 --> 00:50:21.495
starts hailing, starts snowing.

00:50:21.500 --> 00:50:25.694
And then we're full on white out
conditions when we're up there.

00:50:25.725 --> 00:50:29.654
And uh, and I said, well, let's
just, well, we're gonna sit down.

00:50:29.654 --> 00:50:32.025
We could either hike all the
way back down the mountain side.

00:50:32.174 --> 00:50:32.235
Yeah.

00:50:32.625 --> 00:50:33.705
That's an option for us.

00:50:33.705 --> 00:50:34.065
Right.

00:50:34.634 --> 00:50:37.694
But why don't we just sit down,
set up the tarp, stay warm.

00:50:37.875 --> 00:50:39.884
We can have a little bit of food to eat.

00:50:39.884 --> 00:50:43.065
And, uh, the other group
that went running past us.

00:50:43.620 --> 00:50:46.770
They, they petered out they're they're
right back down the mountain side, we

00:50:46.770 --> 00:50:51.569
were out, we came back at sunset and,
uh, uh, didn't, didn't find any caribou

00:50:51.575 --> 00:50:56.520
up there, but, uh, uh, just having a
few essentials a means to stay warm,

00:50:56.580 --> 00:50:59.819
uh, something to, uh, make a fire.

00:50:59.819 --> 00:51:02.279
Now we didn't make a fire up
there, but we had our thermal.

00:51:02.285 --> 00:51:03.210
You could have, we could have, yeah.

00:51:03.450 --> 00:51:04.560
Had our thermal layers.

00:51:04.560 --> 00:51:11.009
We had our, um, uh, hard shells, but
that tarp man life changes your whole

00:51:11.009 --> 00:51:12.990
attitude and outlook changes when you're

00:51:13.379 --> 00:51:13.980
hunkered down.

00:51:14.009 --> 00:51:18.060
Even in the wintertime travel like
on my ski guide training, when we're,

00:51:18.240 --> 00:51:21.930
let's say mechanized and you're
waiting for the Debo to come in.

00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:23.460
It's amazing.

00:51:23.460 --> 00:51:29.070
Just wrapping like yourself in that
silk tarp or whoever's injured, right.

00:51:29.070 --> 00:51:30.900
It reflects the heat in right away.

00:51:31.050 --> 00:51:31.530
Right?

00:51:31.620 --> 00:51:36.810
Like it's crazy how much it shelters from
the wind mm-hmm  and, um, makes you warm.

00:51:37.080 --> 00:51:38.250
Steph just bought this one.

00:51:38.250 --> 00:51:38.940
It's really cool.

00:51:38.970 --> 00:51:41.850
Uh, but it's the ones that you pull
over and you sit in it and you get the

00:51:41.850 --> 00:51:43.470
different there's two, four person.

00:51:43.620 --> 00:51:44.130
Really?

00:51:44.160 --> 00:51:46.560
Yeah, it, I think it's from RA.

00:51:46.980 --> 00:51:47.340
Okay.

00:51:47.340 --> 00:51:50.070
I'll send you specs on it,
but it's not it's it's it's

00:51:50.070 --> 00:51:51.600
not like, no, not no longer.

00:51:52.590 --> 00:51:53.580
Tying it in like a tarp.

00:51:53.610 --> 00:51:53.970
Yeah.

00:51:54.060 --> 00:51:56.190
You just pull in, in, if you
have two people, they just

00:51:56.250 --> 00:51:57.540
sit on either side of it.

00:51:58.350 --> 00:51:59.100
Interesting stays up.

00:51:59.100 --> 00:52:02.610
Well, that's easy, but you cool at a bla
station because if it, all of a sudden

00:52:02.610 --> 00:52:05.100
you get caught in a shower, you just
pull it over and you just stand there.

00:52:05.730 --> 00:52:08.280
and it goes, oh, so that's kind
of a cool thing to look at.

00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:08.670
Yeah.

00:52:08.700 --> 00:52:12.690
So especially if you're in a blizzard,
you're not gonna worry about, um, trying

00:52:12.690 --> 00:52:13.800
to tie it up in trees and all that.

00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:15.720
Cause you're still gonna
get hammered on the side.

00:52:15.780 --> 00:52:16.110
Right.

00:52:16.290 --> 00:52:19.110
But yeah, I'll give you the specs
on it and maybe the listeners

00:52:19.110 --> 00:52:22.350
would be interested too, but, um,
it's a cool thing to add as well.

00:52:22.980 --> 00:52:26.040
Um, one thing that I have when I ski
guide though, I have a rescue tarp.

00:52:26.540 --> 00:52:26.830
Okay.

00:52:27.090 --> 00:52:28.290
That's also de bargain.

00:52:28.380 --> 00:52:31.440
Uh Tobo and it's from Alpine thread works.

00:52:31.710 --> 00:52:31.920
Okay.

00:52:31.925 --> 00:52:35.040
So it's a little heavier, I think
it's just under two pounds, but you

00:52:35.040 --> 00:52:38.040
can definitely, it's bigger than the
so tarps and it converts to a de.

00:52:38.790 --> 00:52:39.270
Cool.

00:52:39.660 --> 00:52:42.299
Um, check it out, out print
thread, work rescue to Bo

00:52:42.569 --> 00:52:44.819
you just slid down the side or
you put your gear on it and,

00:52:44.910 --> 00:52:46.589
uh, the skis okay.

00:52:46.589 --> 00:52:48.359
On the splitboard can go inside of it.

00:52:48.649 --> 00:52:49.029
Got it.

00:52:49.049 --> 00:52:52.830
And then it has, uh, you can Rigg in cuz
we rather have a RA rope, the six mill

00:52:52.830 --> 00:52:58.200
rope, or even a five mill cord, five
meter, six mill cord can make a bridal.

00:52:58.470 --> 00:52:58.710
Okay.

00:52:58.830 --> 00:53:02.549
And if it's steeper, you can have a
brake guy too, but it's on YouTube.

00:53:02.549 --> 00:53:03.480
Alpine thread works.

00:53:03.509 --> 00:53:07.350
Um, Neil is, he's a ski guy that
makes these he's so backlog.

00:53:07.350 --> 00:53:09.210
He had something like couple
hundred orders last year.

00:53:09.390 --> 00:53:09.930
Good for him.

00:53:09.990 --> 00:53:12.660
Um, yeah, so good for him kind
of his thing, but check it out.

00:53:12.690 --> 00:53:17.310
The Alpine thread works,
um, rescue tarp, ski tarp.

00:53:17.850 --> 00:53:20.190
Um, pretty cool to have
for the wintertime.

00:53:20.730 --> 00:53:22.440
You know, the reality is one person.

00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:25.950
We always say this Steph, we plan like
one person, unless they're UTRA isn't

00:53:25.955 --> 00:53:31.020
gonna drag somebody out  but two people
can make a good effort with one person.

00:53:31.049 --> 00:53:31.410
Sure.

00:53:31.649 --> 00:53:35.669
And one of my buddies, uh,
Rory, um, and I think Robin, my

00:53:35.669 --> 00:53:37.740
other buddy Sarek, Rob Robin.

00:53:38.985 --> 00:53:46.095
Rory's wife, they were up skiing in, um,
the sky pilot basin mm-hmm  and she blew

00:53:46.095 --> 00:53:50.805
her Neo and they called SAR and they were
starting to get dark and Rory had the tarp

00:53:51.555 --> 00:53:55.035
and, um, instead of waiting for squamous
SAR to come, they actually wrapped her up,

00:53:55.035 --> 00:53:56.475
put the skis in and they dragged her out.

00:53:57.015 --> 00:53:57.465
Nice.

00:53:57.555 --> 00:54:00.615
And I think they met them on the, um,
there's a cat track on the way out.

00:54:00.645 --> 00:54:00.855
Yeah.

00:54:00.915 --> 00:54:05.595
But they actually pulled row's
wife out of there with the bum knee

00:54:06.225 --> 00:54:10.995
instead of waiting around, you know,
and he's a ski guy, she SAR tech.

00:54:10.995 --> 00:54:12.555
So it was an no brainer.

00:54:12.615 --> 00:54:12.975
Yeah.

00:54:13.155 --> 00:54:18.615
But, um, often that's the case where, you
know, you're relying on SAR and you can't.

00:54:18.795 --> 00:54:21.885
And the reality is, is like, I always
tell people, this is really critical

00:54:21.885 --> 00:54:25.905
too, especially in the winter is my
turnaround times are really critical

00:54:25.910 --> 00:54:30.585
because, um, if I'm ski guiding
off Whistler or black home mm.

00:54:31.245 --> 00:54:36.015
I wanna be back inbound by three 30
mm-hmm  because it's dark by five 30.

00:54:36.015 --> 00:54:37.275
Mm-hmm  5, 5 30.

00:54:37.815 --> 00:54:41.865
And in the spring we can push that
timing out later, but it really comes

00:54:41.865 --> 00:54:46.635
down to SAR being able to mobilize
and the helicopter flight time.

00:54:46.785 --> 00:54:49.515
Mm-hmm  and that's why it's really
critical in winter to dial back

00:54:49.515 --> 00:54:51.465
your objectives start earlier.

00:54:51.885 --> 00:54:56.205
But it really comes to being
somewhere safe by three 30, because

00:54:56.205 --> 00:55:01.155
that limit that's given SAR an hour
and a half maximum time to respond.

00:55:01.275 --> 00:55:06.315
Mm-hmm  so that's why it's really critical
to keep that in mind in the wintertime

00:55:06.735 --> 00:55:08.895
and light, because SAR can't fly at night.

00:55:09.075 --> 00:55:11.025
Well saying that north
shore now has night vision.

00:55:11.055 --> 00:55:11.385
Right.

00:55:11.385 --> 00:55:11.625
Right.

00:55:11.685 --> 00:55:13.755
But they may not come in a storm either.

00:55:13.875 --> 00:55:16.425
Mm-hmm  they often SAR managers
are like dig in for the night.

00:55:17.215 --> 00:55:17.685
You know, a

00:55:17.685 --> 00:55:21.165
lot of the places that I'm
heading, we, we don't have SAR.

00:55:21.225 --> 00:55:22.605
That's gonna be coming out for us.

00:55:22.610 --> 00:55:22.675
Yeah.

00:55:22.675 --> 00:55:29.250
And it's um, uh, And when you're
talking about sharing the maps

00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:33.000
with the rest of the people in your
group, very smart, easy, easy to do.

00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:34.560
Everyone's gonna have
their cell phone with them.

00:55:35.190 --> 00:55:39.900
But that brings to mind, not just your
kit, the things that you have with you.

00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:43.470
And we've talked a little bit about
mindset, which is huge, but yeah, your,

00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:47.760
the people in your group, knowing who
you're going out with and their mindset,

00:55:47.765 --> 00:55:49.710
and I'll share a real quick story.

00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:54.780
Um, one of the guys that was
on that trip that I took in

00:55:54.780 --> 00:55:57.270
when I was 17, 18 years old.

00:55:57.275 --> 00:56:00.660
And, uh, they thought they
were gonna die out there.

00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:01.050
Yeah.

00:56:01.055 --> 00:56:06.300
In my head that was never, death was
never an option because my ADHD brain

00:56:06.300 --> 00:56:08.040
just never thinks of consequences.

00:56:08.130 --> 00:56:08.430
Right.

00:56:08.430 --> 00:56:09.840
It's just consequences.

00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:11.550
Ah, whatever I'm I'm in the moment.

00:56:11.550 --> 00:56:11.790
Right.

00:56:11.790 --> 00:56:14.850
And, uh, but they thought
they were gonna die.

00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:18.870
I didn't realize how
bad they thought it was.

00:56:19.710 --> 00:56:21.120
And when.

00:56:22.200 --> 00:56:23.100
A couple years later.

00:56:23.100 --> 00:56:26.520
And instead of having the wood
panel station wagon, I'd now have

00:56:26.520 --> 00:56:33.509
a, um, a nice 1980 Ford F two 50
half rusted out, but, uh, diesel

00:56:33.509 --> 00:56:34.919
truck and I got some chains for it.

00:56:34.924 --> 00:56:39.330
And I thought I can get us in closer
to our objective this time with

00:56:39.330 --> 00:56:42.450
a chains on and we'll drive in as
closer we can and we'll take off.

00:56:43.049 --> 00:56:48.060
And I talked one of these guys into
going with me, and that was a mistake

00:56:48.089 --> 00:56:53.640
because the I having the right people
with you who are in the right mental mind

00:56:53.640 --> 00:56:55.709
space makes one hell of a difference.

00:56:55.740 --> 00:56:57.810
We got in son's going down.

00:56:57.839 --> 00:57:00.060
I said, well, we'll just, I
got a canopy on this thing.

00:57:00.060 --> 00:57:01.740
We're just gonna camp in
the canopy on the back.

00:57:01.830 --> 00:57:02.040
Yeah.

00:57:02.069 --> 00:57:03.060
Fine, easy peasy.

00:57:03.060 --> 00:57:03.270
Right.

00:57:03.270 --> 00:57:06.345
And that's, you know, 1215 Redridge.

00:57:06.350 --> 00:57:10.815
So when, where we're at and, uh,
this guy starts falling apart.

00:57:10.875 --> 00:57:15.015
I, I, he was saying, and doing
weird things that I, I'd not

00:57:15.020 --> 00:57:16.395
known him to be like that.

00:57:16.815 --> 00:57:18.555
I'm like, you know, I'll make you a fire.

00:57:18.560 --> 00:57:18.795
Right.

00:57:18.795 --> 00:57:23.115
And so I find some wood and get a fire
going, and it's all burning through the,

00:57:23.115 --> 00:57:25.335
uh, this snow hard to keep it going.

00:57:25.335 --> 00:57:29.895
But we get something going, that'll
throw a little bit of warmth and

00:57:29.895 --> 00:57:33.135
he brings out some food and he's
eating a couple bites out of it.

00:57:33.135 --> 00:57:35.505
And he throws in the fire,
like, what are you doing?

00:57:35.565 --> 00:57:35.925
Right.

00:57:36.225 --> 00:57:37.575
And then he's got his
bottle of wine with him.

00:57:37.575 --> 00:57:39.495
He takes a couple sip and he
just dumps it in the fire.

00:57:39.495 --> 00:57:41.055
Like, you put the fire
out, what are you doing?

00:57:41.060 --> 00:57:41.265
Right.

00:57:41.415 --> 00:57:42.345
And then he's crying.

00:57:42.615 --> 00:57:42.975
Right.

00:57:43.035 --> 00:57:45.255
And then like, what that, so.

00:57:46.695 --> 00:57:52.634
Not pushing those in your group to the
level that you think they should be able

00:57:52.634 --> 00:57:58.424
to, but objectively just cuz you can do
it or you feel you can do it objectively,

00:57:58.545 --> 00:58:03.884
uh, gauging your group so that, um, you
can maybe kind of do away with that ego

00:58:03.945 --> 00:58:05.805
cuz he didn't want to say he was scared.

00:58:06.165 --> 00:58:08.384
He didn't want to say when he
woke up in the morning, the next

00:58:08.384 --> 00:58:11.924
day, um, he said he didn't think
he was gonna survive the night.

00:58:11.924 --> 00:58:12.915
Yeah, it was so cold.

00:58:12.975 --> 00:58:17.174
So I think that's another
piece of the survival puzzle

00:58:17.174 --> 00:58:18.825
is, uh, know who you're with

00:58:19.575 --> 00:58:22.424
and you know, like you, you mentioned
a, I just took some notes here too,

00:58:22.424 --> 00:58:27.765
Travis, but um, you know, sharing that
information in the group mm-hmm  is,

00:58:28.305 --> 00:58:31.575
and I share other things like the
distance, the elevation and the time.

00:58:32.235 --> 00:58:32.565
Right.

00:58:32.625 --> 00:58:34.125
And obviously a kit list.

00:58:34.875 --> 00:58:35.445
Um,

00:58:38.805 --> 00:58:42.435
What happens is, and what happened
on that fatality there in the Alps?

00:58:42.495 --> 00:58:42.765
Hmm.

00:58:42.884 --> 00:58:46.515
And the article about it talked
about, um, the expert halo.

00:58:47.085 --> 00:58:51.944
So we follow the expert without question.

00:58:52.424 --> 00:58:55.995
And, you know, they talked
about, well, everyone could

00:58:55.995 --> 00:58:57.525
have done a weather forecast.

00:58:57.884 --> 00:58:58.305
Sure.

00:58:58.305 --> 00:58:59.055
That was out there.

00:58:59.055 --> 00:59:01.995
They're all experienced ski,
mountaineers that hired a guide.

00:59:02.585 --> 00:59:05.685
And what they did wrong was they
put the brains in neutral and just

00:59:05.685 --> 00:59:07.214
let this guide make his decision.

00:59:07.220 --> 00:59:11.595
And there's some of that, um, situations
in Canada right now where, you know,

00:59:11.595 --> 00:59:13.335
it's gone to court and everything else.

00:59:13.335 --> 00:59:15.225
And, and, and mm-hmm,  the guide.

00:59:15.230 --> 00:59:17.174
They're the groups are
avalanche and everything else.

00:59:17.475 --> 00:59:23.234
Now I'm not saying to hire a guide and
then question every decision they make.

00:59:23.325 --> 00:59:23.444
Yeah.

00:59:23.444 --> 00:59:23.654
That sense.

00:59:23.654 --> 00:59:25.125
And then I'm not gonna
go out with you again.

00:59:25.174 --> 00:59:25.935
Right, right.

00:59:26.415 --> 00:59:28.515
But there is that element.

00:59:28.980 --> 00:59:30.450
Of that expert halo.

00:59:30.450 --> 00:59:34.049
And it could be simple as you
know, I'm in the mountains.

00:59:34.140 --> 00:59:36.240
Mm-hmm so you are gonna
come out with me now.

00:59:36.330 --> 00:59:37.290
Mm-hmm right.

00:59:37.500 --> 00:59:40.049
And that, and I have friends,
I have too ADA and Richie.

00:59:40.140 --> 00:59:40.319
Yep.

00:59:40.560 --> 00:59:41.819
They put their brains in neutral.

00:59:41.825 --> 00:59:44.910
They go skiing with JJ for the day
and they want that, which is great.

00:59:45.120 --> 00:59:46.500
And it's, it's, it's a guide day.

00:59:46.500 --> 00:59:46.859
Sure.

00:59:46.919 --> 00:59:48.149
I'm not taking any money for it.

00:59:48.540 --> 00:59:48.600
Yeah.

00:59:48.629 --> 00:59:50.430
But I'm actually responsible for them.

00:59:50.430 --> 00:59:52.529
And I like it cuz I've
been in charge in sure.

00:59:53.100 --> 01:00:00.089
But they actually, and I also have a
different level of risk, little higher.

01:00:00.359 --> 01:00:03.359
And I remember coming back into
disease Ridge and it was a storm bay.

01:00:03.359 --> 01:00:06.779
I love this storm skin and
there is elements that are VES

01:00:06.779 --> 01:00:09.089
on it and you can still ski it.

01:00:09.149 --> 01:00:11.730
You can, it's like going through a
minefield where the good train is.

01:00:12.330 --> 01:00:14.490
We had loads of snow,
probably a meter that night.

01:00:14.730 --> 01:00:15.569
And I remember.

01:00:15.750 --> 01:00:16.380
Going at.

01:00:16.380 --> 01:00:19.770
And I remember in my briefing,
the guys going the safest routes,

01:00:19.775 --> 01:00:20.820
just go straight down the Ridge.

01:00:20.820 --> 01:00:21.060
Right.

01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:23.130
But dropping in is gonna be the money.

01:00:23.220 --> 01:00:23.460
Yeah.

01:00:23.790 --> 01:00:27.600
And I remember going,
um, this should be okay.

01:00:28.860 --> 01:00:29.100
right.

01:00:30.030 --> 01:00:30.750
I'll go first.

01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:30.960
Yeah.

01:00:30.990 --> 01:00:32.280
And Adam's like, that's
not good enough for me.

01:00:32.940 --> 01:00:33.270
Hmm.

01:00:33.330 --> 01:00:36.569
I have a wife and, and,
and, and he's a smart guy.

01:00:36.810 --> 01:00:38.640
Yeah, he's a math, right?

01:00:38.640 --> 01:00:38.880
Oh yeah.

01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:39.240
Cal Clinton.

01:00:39.330 --> 01:00:39.779
That's right.

01:00:39.990 --> 01:00:40.770
This should work.

01:00:40.770 --> 01:00:41.400
It's not good enough.

01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:41.670
That's right.

01:00:41.670 --> 01:00:41.819
I've

01:00:41.819 --> 01:00:42.660
done the odds of C

01:00:42.680 --> 01:00:43.100
either.

01:00:43.100 --> 01:00:43.380
Gotta go.

01:00:43.384 --> 01:00:44.520
It's either gotta work or it's not.

01:00:44.549 --> 01:00:44.730
Yeah.

01:00:44.910 --> 01:00:46.650
And I said, you're a
hundred percent right at it.

01:00:46.950 --> 01:00:50.040
We need to go down the Ridge mm-hmm
. And I even said that to myself.

01:00:50.069 --> 01:00:53.610
If I was guiding, I wouldn't have
considered this drop in route.

01:00:53.830 --> 01:00:54.180
Right.

01:00:54.390 --> 01:00:56.880
I'm out with two buddies and
they're following expert halo.

01:00:57.060 --> 01:01:00.029
Mm-hmm  the one good thing was I
verbalized that decision making

01:01:00.029 --> 01:01:01.710
with them and that is like, yep.

01:01:01.980 --> 01:01:06.029
Um, I'm tapping out we're I, this
should go is not good enough.

01:01:06.270 --> 01:01:06.330
Yeah.

01:01:06.330 --> 01:01:06.810
Good for him.

01:01:06.900 --> 01:01:07.470
Good for him.

01:01:07.680 --> 01:01:08.730
And we went down the Ridge.

01:01:08.735 --> 01:01:08.940
Yep.

01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:11.970
When he said that and it, and that
was a good learning point for me.

01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:14.040
Mm-hmm  in the guiding element too.

01:01:14.220 --> 01:01:15.900
It's like, this should go, doesn't cut it.

01:01:16.500 --> 01:01:16.590
Right.

01:01:16.770 --> 01:01:19.170
It's either going or it's
not going mm-hmm  right.

01:01:19.170 --> 01:01:20.100
And why is it not going?

01:01:20.430 --> 01:01:20.700
Right.

01:01:20.790 --> 01:01:23.430
So, but that extra Halo's really critical.

01:01:23.819 --> 01:01:28.259
Um,  and it could be simply now all of
a sudden we're gonna rolls reversed.

01:01:28.259 --> 01:01:29.310
I'm going out hunting with you.

01:01:29.359 --> 01:01:30.640
Mm-hmm  right.

01:01:30.740 --> 01:01:33.180
Mm-hmm . And it's been a while
since I've been, I've been on the

01:01:33.180 --> 01:01:34.649
two, a right for range for a while.

01:01:34.649 --> 01:01:34.919
Right.

01:01:35.669 --> 01:01:37.049
but weapon safety.

01:01:37.049 --> 01:01:37.350
Sure.

01:01:37.410 --> 01:01:39.839
Um, packing for that element.

01:01:40.020 --> 01:01:42.930
Um, I, you know, I don't stock cougars.

01:01:43.029 --> 01:01:43.319
Yeah.

01:01:43.379 --> 01:01:45.120
You know, not anymore.

01:01:46.390 --> 01:01:46.680
easy,

01:01:47.350 --> 01:01:48.000
easy job.

01:01:49.819 --> 01:01:50.459
buy them a drink.

01:01:50.459 --> 01:01:50.549
Right.

01:01:51.240 --> 01:01:53.459
You know, that's the
standard standard one.

01:01:53.490 --> 01:01:53.819
Yep.

01:01:54.149 --> 01:01:54.359
Yeah.

01:01:54.359 --> 01:01:56.879
There's a Cougar hanging around
the base of the chief fire drink.

01:01:56.910 --> 01:01:57.209
Yeah.

01:01:57.990 --> 01:02:01.240
Um, but maybe we should edit all that out.

01:02:03.750 --> 01:02:04.109
oh man.

01:02:04.470 --> 01:02:08.250
But you know, that extra halo is
really, really critical too, you know?

01:02:08.850 --> 01:02:09.390
Yes.

01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:12.089
Um, fire, what are you bringing for fire?

01:02:15.359 --> 01:02:17.759
So I used to be really keen.

01:02:17.819 --> 01:02:18.000
Yeah.

01:02:18.029 --> 01:02:18.660
Collect Lin.

01:02:18.959 --> 01:02:19.230
Yep.

01:02:19.230 --> 01:02:19.740
From the fire.

01:02:19.740 --> 01:02:22.839
Now I usually have like.

01:02:25.350 --> 01:02:29.490
um, if you're on an overnight trip
mm-hmm  and you have a burner.

01:02:29.580 --> 01:02:29.820
Yeah.

01:02:30.870 --> 01:02:33.720
That is a really easy way to start a fire.

01:02:34.300 --> 01:02:34.800
yeah, it is.

01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:35.130
It'll dry.

01:02:35.130 --> 01:02:35.700
Everything out.

01:02:35.910 --> 01:02:36.030
Yeah.

01:02:36.330 --> 01:02:39.900
Um, in the past, on my, uh,
survival training with the SAR.

01:02:39.905 --> 01:02:40.990
Mm I've.

01:02:41.310 --> 01:02:44.970
Used a candle mm-hmm  with the
candle on the base, get the

01:02:44.970 --> 01:02:50.280
really small, really fine ground
fall type, really thin branches.

01:02:50.285 --> 01:02:52.680
Mm-hmm  use the candle as
your base to get that going.

01:02:52.740 --> 01:02:52.920
Yep.

01:02:53.280 --> 01:03:00.600
Um, often now I just bring, um, Like my
toilet paper, mm-hmm  with a lighter.

01:03:00.940 --> 01:03:01.160
Mm.

01:03:01.260 --> 01:03:04.110
So I'm removing it in different
elements, but you know, human

01:03:04.110 --> 01:03:05.460
waste is a big issue now.

01:03:05.520 --> 01:03:05.850
Right.

01:03:06.150 --> 01:03:09.990
And you know, there's a whole
bunch of, you know, like in parks

01:03:09.990 --> 01:03:11.160
they tell you to blue bag it out.

01:03:11.160 --> 01:03:14.460
Mm-hmm  like, especially in the states,
we're not so much in Canada, but

01:03:14.460 --> 01:03:16.800
we're getting more and more because
imagine like, if everybody had to

01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:18.330
poop at the base of the chief, right.

01:03:18.390 --> 01:03:19.350
Which is what's happening.

01:03:19.560 --> 01:03:19.740
Yep.

01:03:19.740 --> 01:03:20.610
Got poop everywhere.

01:03:21.150 --> 01:03:25.200
Um, but there's just different
disposals, the cat versus smearing your

01:03:25.320 --> 01:03:26.640
waist on a rock and everything else.

01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:26.820
Yeah.

01:03:26.820 --> 01:03:30.060
But ultimately, if you can burn your
toilet paper, that is a good option.

01:03:30.060 --> 01:03:30.900
If you don't pack it out.

01:03:30.905 --> 01:03:31.160
Right.

01:03:31.260 --> 01:03:34.530
So my toilet paper or my lighter, or in a
waterproof bag and they go hand in hand.

01:03:34.680 --> 01:03:34.920
Okay.

01:03:34.980 --> 01:03:37.260
Cause if there's not a fire, not
worried about starting to force

01:03:37.260 --> 01:03:38.910
fire, I'm gonna burn my toilet paper.

01:03:38.910 --> 01:03:39.180
Right.

01:03:39.240 --> 01:03:39.600
Mm.

01:03:39.750 --> 01:03:43.620
Um, so that would be my, basically
that's my fire starter kit.

01:03:43.740 --> 01:03:43.980
Okay.

01:03:44.250 --> 01:03:45.240
That I'm using right now.

01:03:45.750 --> 01:03:47.310
Um, I don't get, you know, the.

01:03:48.210 --> 01:03:48.870
Yeah, scratch

01:03:49.200 --> 01:03:51.540
little Piazzo PI zone, uh, lighter.

01:03:51.540 --> 01:03:52.350
Not just the lighter.

01:03:52.470 --> 01:03:52.710
Yeah.

01:03:52.710 --> 01:03:53.910
You know, and everyone has in a group.

01:03:54.090 --> 01:03:54.300
Yep.

01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:57.210
I always tell everyone bring a lighter
in a group and we have it, right.

01:03:57.215 --> 01:03:57.270
Yeah.

01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:03.000
Um, cuz ultimately that's all good
trap, but you heard the rule of three.

01:04:03.930 --> 01:04:04.200
Yeah.

01:04:04.560 --> 01:04:04.830
Right.

01:04:04.830 --> 01:04:05.910
Three minutes for oxygen.

01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:06.930
Three days for water.

01:04:07.200 --> 01:04:07.980
Three weeks for food.

01:04:08.160 --> 01:04:09.030
Mm-hmm  right.

01:04:09.210 --> 01:04:12.180
Those are the three that you
need to survive out there.

01:04:12.210 --> 01:04:12.420
Yeah.

01:04:12.600 --> 01:04:12.990
The rest.

01:04:12.990 --> 01:04:18.660
Anything else is a bonus and I'm not
saying just like, you know, Go light.

01:04:19.650 --> 01:04:20.250
completely.

01:04:20.310 --> 01:04:20.520
Yeah.

01:04:20.525 --> 01:04:20.630
Yeah.

01:04:20.760 --> 01:04:21.720
Too light going.

01:04:21.720 --> 01:04:22.410
Light's fine.

01:04:22.410 --> 01:04:23.910
As long as you know, when to turn around.

01:04:24.180 --> 01:04:24.480
Yeah.

01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:25.950
The whole mark Twight philosophy.

01:04:25.950 --> 01:04:26.190
Right.

01:04:26.190 --> 01:04:26.520
For sure.

01:04:27.090 --> 01:04:30.900
So, you know, that's pretty
much my fire starter at this

01:04:30.900 --> 01:04:32.370
point that I'm doing right.

01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:35.010
Either at the stove, which
will aid in that fire starter.

01:04:35.040 --> 01:04:35.220
Yeah.

01:04:35.460 --> 01:04:38.610
Um, candle candle's really good.

01:04:38.610 --> 01:04:43.290
I think a candle, a candle wrapped,
wrapped up in, um, tinfoil mm-hmm

01:04:43.560 --> 01:04:44.640
cause it can also melt snow.

01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:45.570
Right, right.

01:04:45.570 --> 01:04:49.950
For that water, if you need it, you know,
in that night, but you can also like in

01:04:49.950 --> 01:04:53.880
a water bottle, if, if you have a hard
water bottle, if you got water, just fill

01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:55.350
the snow in, it kind of melts it down.

01:04:55.350 --> 01:04:57.320
Cause ultimately I'll be honest tr.

01:04:59.130 --> 01:05:00.870
I'm just surviving for 24 hours.

01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:01.260
Right.

01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:04.260
Because if you're caught in a storm,
if you can survive that 24 hours,

01:05:04.260 --> 01:05:05.730
SAR can find you in the morning.

01:05:05.820 --> 01:05:06.120
Right.

01:05:06.180 --> 01:05:06.840
When it clears.

01:05:06.990 --> 01:05:07.140
Yeah.

01:05:07.170 --> 01:05:08.730
You've gotta survive 24 hours.

01:05:08.735 --> 01:05:09.810
Mm-hmm  and that's how
you gotta think about it.

01:05:10.200 --> 01:05:13.230
So if that means you've gotta bring a
tent in a sleep bag everywhere you go.

01:05:13.230 --> 01:05:14.160
Well then sure.

01:05:14.460 --> 01:05:15.510
But you also gotta suffer.

01:05:15.600 --> 01:05:15.930
Right.

01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:19.650
But can I dig a snow
shelter wrap up in a tarp?

01:05:20.580 --> 01:05:24.450
Um, you know, do I need
water in that 24 hours?

01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:26.640
There is ways of getting
water in that snow shelter.

01:05:26.640 --> 01:05:26.880
Right.

01:05:27.330 --> 01:05:29.310
Um, or maybe it's in
the summertime, right?

01:05:29.315 --> 01:05:34.110
Mm-hmm  um, so that's how I
think, I think 24 hours, you

01:05:34.110 --> 01:05:35.970
know, can that storm go longer?

01:05:35.970 --> 01:05:36.780
Yes.

01:05:37.380 --> 01:05:41.835
You know,  but there might be
contingency plans placed by SAR.

01:05:41.835 --> 01:05:45.945
Like for example, we can't fly
in the storm, but SAR migrated in

01:05:45.945 --> 01:05:47.565
Squamish to go into snowmobiles.

01:05:47.625 --> 01:05:48.435
Mm-hmm  right.

01:05:48.495 --> 01:05:50.445
And the first time they did
it, they just recruited some

01:05:50.445 --> 01:05:52.485
yahoos that didn't go too well.

01:05:53.565 --> 01:05:53.895
sorry.

01:05:53.895 --> 01:05:56.475
Being towed or on the back and getting
bounced off and everything else.

01:05:57.195 --> 01:06:00.135
So we have some, well, I say I'm
not partner squad SAR right now.

01:06:00.135 --> 01:06:00.825
Leave abs absent.

01:06:00.855 --> 01:06:05.505
But, um, there's some phenomenal,
um, snowmobile guides.

01:06:05.595 --> 01:06:10.995
Mm-hmm,  some mom phenomenal that
train the SAR annual training, and

01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:13.395
then they go out and they're qualified.

01:06:13.395 --> 01:06:14.505
Now they have quads.

01:06:14.685 --> 01:06:16.965
Um, Snowmobiles or internal.

01:06:17.265 --> 01:06:21.855
So instead of recruiting the yahoos,
that go on in the back 40 now, right?

01:06:21.855 --> 01:06:22.035
Yeah.

01:06:22.485 --> 01:06:22.905
So,

01:06:23.505 --> 01:06:29.265
so, um, some way to communicate, uh,
something to kind of keep you warm

01:06:29.265 --> 01:06:30.975
enough and shelter through the night

01:06:31.005 --> 01:06:33.555
shelter, you know, and that,
communication's interesting too,

01:06:33.555 --> 01:06:37.455
because I carry, we work off guides,
work off a three bank system.

01:06:38.265 --> 01:06:39.885
So cell phone and reach radio.

01:06:39.975 --> 01:06:40.335
Mm.

01:06:40.905 --> 01:06:45.945
Um, and the first tier for the
most part is my cell phone.

01:06:46.125 --> 01:06:46.545
Mm.

01:06:46.995 --> 01:06:51.105
And reach, and then radio is more to
deal with internal mm-hmm . So I know

01:06:51.105 --> 01:06:55.005
like if you're ski guiding on the, in
the back of black home, we monitor the

01:06:55.425 --> 01:06:59.415
ACMG channel because my first level
of rescue is gonna be other guides.

01:06:59.685 --> 01:06:59.835
Right.

01:07:00.165 --> 01:07:01.975
So we monitor all the ACMG.

01:07:01.980 --> 01:07:05.595
We chat, even though we're not working
for the same company, we'll do a heads up.

01:07:05.595 --> 01:07:09.705
Hey, you know, maybe a,
um, skier accidental.

01:07:10.215 --> 01:07:12.015
This slope is elevation on this layer.

01:07:12.165 --> 01:07:13.125
We just radio it out.

01:07:13.710 --> 01:07:16.230
You know, and everybody's
aware, so that's our first form.

01:07:16.609 --> 01:07:20.759
And then often what I like to do
now is I may split the calms up

01:07:20.790 --> 01:07:22.440
communications between the group.

01:07:23.279 --> 01:07:25.920
No point the guide, for example,
having all that radio, then

01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:26.970
I'm in the bottom of the KVA.

01:07:26.970 --> 01:07:27.420
Right, right.

01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:29.430
Having all the equipment
mm-hmm  so maybe I keep the

01:07:29.430 --> 01:07:30.720
radio, I'll give you the N reach.

01:07:30.725 --> 01:07:32.069
Mm-hmm  I show 'em how to operate.

01:07:32.069 --> 01:07:32.819
Then reach this.

01:07:32.940 --> 01:07:34.259
You gotta do is say the SOS button.

01:07:34.890 --> 01:07:39.509
So for example, um, I was
guiding on GU BK, uh, Mount

01:07:39.515 --> 01:07:42.690
Garley, um, 24 kilometer return.

01:07:43.230 --> 01:07:47.250
And in the car park, I did a
quick brief, uh, this is my radio.

01:07:47.910 --> 01:07:51.240
Um, this is the end reach
we may or may not have cell.

01:07:53.370 --> 01:07:58.080
And the party of three was, you
know, I'm still concerned about

01:07:58.080 --> 01:07:59.580
kvass rescue the guide's up front.

01:08:00.150 --> 01:08:03.509
So basically when we hit the glacier,
I did a demo on how to transfer

01:08:03.509 --> 01:08:06.180
the load to a picket mm-hmm  and
then hit the SOS on then reach.

01:08:06.210 --> 01:08:06.540
Right.

01:08:06.600 --> 01:08:07.830
And I said, I'm either climbing out.

01:08:08.370 --> 01:08:09.960
Or SARS gonna fly out right.

01:08:10.200 --> 01:08:12.360
Or Ross is gonna fly over from the Tanus.

01:08:12.780 --> 01:08:16.230
And I said, also here's Ross's
number and Ross is gonna fly over.

01:08:16.380 --> 01:08:16.500
Right.

01:08:16.500 --> 01:08:18.029
That was part of our
emergency action plan.

01:08:18.569 --> 01:08:22.950
Emergency response plan was that I, I
can't expect these clients to haul me out.

01:08:22.950 --> 01:08:27.540
It's not gonna happen, but I'm gonna
climb out, you know, would be my plan.

01:08:28.170 --> 01:08:31.050
Um, and that communications
actually came into play.

01:08:31.050 --> 01:08:34.410
Cuz we were talking about it
earlier, was that the clients,

01:08:34.470 --> 01:08:35.640
um, it was a very big trip.

01:08:35.720 --> 01:08:38.910
Mm-hmm  they weren't given the
heli option in and heli option out.

01:08:39.029 --> 01:08:39.380
Right.

01:08:39.420 --> 01:08:43.350
And when we just below the summit called
the return, walked out and I realized,

01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:47.850
um, the, you know, the fastest, this
trip's been guided has been 10 hours.

01:08:47.855 --> 01:08:49.080
Mm-hmm  that recently.

01:08:49.170 --> 01:08:52.050
And, um, we were on
par for an 18 hour day.

01:08:52.590 --> 01:08:52.710
Right.

01:08:52.715 --> 01:08:57.180
So I was able to get to high ground
with the cell reception and get

01:08:57.180 --> 01:08:58.440
a call out for the he company.

01:08:58.440 --> 01:09:02.610
And I, they picked up the clients
at the, um, park boundary.

01:09:02.790 --> 01:09:03.210
Mm.

01:09:03.270 --> 01:09:04.020
So I loaded them in.

01:09:04.020 --> 01:09:04.920
Then they were off.

01:09:06.255 --> 01:09:09.105
So they're happy, happy aside from
the, uh, the extra expense of the

01:09:09.105 --> 01:09:11.085
helicopter, but that's, uh, they're

01:09:11.085 --> 01:09:13.395
happy and they would've liked
the heli drop on the way in too.

01:09:13.395 --> 01:09:13.484
Right.

01:09:13.575 --> 01:09:14.115
That was good.

01:09:14.115 --> 01:09:14.745
Take away too.

01:09:14.745 --> 01:09:15.734
Get the heli option.

01:09:15.825 --> 01:09:16.365
Yes.

01:09:16.395 --> 01:09:17.234
Both ways, right?

01:09:17.234 --> 01:09:18.375
Not just, oh, by the way.

01:09:18.375 --> 01:09:20.385
Hey, there is an alley option out of this.

01:09:20.385 --> 01:09:24.135
If we need it and I could have done it
within and reach, cuz I often have the

01:09:24.135 --> 01:09:28.725
chief pilots of every company on my end
reach mm-hmm  and a lot of them like

01:09:28.725 --> 01:09:31.395
Ben from, um, who's operation manager.

01:09:31.395 --> 01:09:33.915
They're from shout out to Ben black home.

01:09:34.065 --> 01:09:37.845
Helies um, black home
heli Squamish, Whistler.

01:09:37.935 --> 01:09:38.175
Yep.

01:09:38.475 --> 01:09:41.955
Um, he's in my end reach and he
said, all I need is a long lot

01:09:41.955 --> 01:09:42.975
and I'll come get you anytime.

01:09:43.215 --> 01:09:43.505
Nice.

01:09:43.665 --> 01:09:43.965
Right.

01:09:43.965 --> 01:09:46.545
And then Darren from black
Tuss, same, same sort of deal.

01:09:46.725 --> 01:09:46.904
Yep.

01:09:47.025 --> 01:09:49.755
You know, two great pilots and
they'll give 'em a long lot.

01:09:50.325 --> 01:09:53.595
Worry about the finance after  right?

01:09:53.895 --> 01:09:53.984
Yeah.

01:09:53.984 --> 01:09:55.275
You'll owe 'em and you come out.

01:09:55.335 --> 01:09:55.815
So that's good.

01:09:55.820 --> 01:09:58.845
Split the columns up the
communications right within your group.

01:09:59.295 --> 01:09:59.445
Yeah.

01:09:59.475 --> 01:10:00.795
Communicate the plan to everybody.

01:10:00.795 --> 01:10:02.025
Split the columns up smart.

01:10:02.175 --> 01:10:04.440
Um, Fire

01:10:04.440 --> 01:10:04.890
warm.

01:10:05.280 --> 01:10:05.430
Yeah.

01:10:05.430 --> 01:10:07.890
Navigation, compass Teter last year,

01:10:07.890 --> 01:10:08.820
24 hours.

01:10:09.120 --> 01:10:09.360
Yeah.

01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:13.680
And you're golden, you know, I, I find
a lot of people can go down the rabbit

01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:17.580
hole of looking at survival gear and
I'll admit I've played with a whole,

01:10:17.850 --> 01:10:19.350
a whole bunch of different types yeah.

01:10:19.590 --> 01:10:20.400
In the past.

01:10:20.790 --> 01:10:23.070
And I keep coming back to the basics.

01:10:23.220 --> 01:10:24.750
It's, uh, it's neat.

01:10:24.750 --> 01:10:29.130
It looks Gucci, but it's more
weight in your pack and it's, uh,

01:10:30.060 --> 01:10:33.930
I found the heavier, my pack gets
the more likelihood I'm gonna find.

01:10:34.140 --> 01:10:36.690
I'm gonna find myself needing
to use all that gear there.

01:10:37.530 --> 01:10:45.630
Um, so being able to get through the night
and get to wherever you need to go, uh,

01:10:46.170 --> 01:10:50.190
without overdoing all of the, uh, geeking
out on all the kit, I think is a smart,

01:10:50.790 --> 01:10:51.330
it's smart.

01:10:51.390 --> 01:10:57.210
And, um, you know, one thing we haven't
talked about is first aid, what level

01:10:57.215 --> 01:10:58.680
of first aid kit you should have.

01:10:58.680 --> 01:10:58.950
Right.

01:10:58.950 --> 01:11:02.970
And I think it really comes down to
the basics like you should turnkey are.

01:11:04.035 --> 01:11:05.025
The new fad right now.

01:11:05.055 --> 01:11:05.235
Yeah.

01:11:05.235 --> 01:11:05.475
They're all

01:11:05.475 --> 01:11:05.835
using 'em

01:11:05.835 --> 01:11:06.165
again.

01:11:06.225 --> 01:11:06.705
Yeah.

01:11:06.710 --> 01:11:06.805
Yeah.

01:11:06.810 --> 01:11:07.905
I've turn to key my kit.

01:11:07.935 --> 01:11:08.175
Yeah.

01:11:08.565 --> 01:11:09.345
Pocket mask.

01:11:09.465 --> 01:11:09.705
Yeah.

01:11:10.155 --> 01:11:13.215
Is, goes in my kit and, uh, Sams splint.

01:11:13.455 --> 01:11:13.695
Yep.

01:11:14.145 --> 01:11:18.645
Um, and that's kinda like the team element
and I have some couple major bleeds.

01:11:18.885 --> 01:11:19.185
Yeah.

01:11:19.335 --> 01:11:20.925
Um, just like AB

01:11:20.925 --> 01:11:21.615
pads or.

01:11:22.275 --> 01:11:25.755
You know, like trauma dressing,
kinda like head in the military and

01:11:25.755 --> 01:11:29.865
then, you know, basic stuff after
that tape bandaids, um, which are

01:11:29.865 --> 01:11:31.065
the ones that get used all the time.

01:11:31.065 --> 01:11:31.455
Yeah.

01:11:31.875 --> 01:11:34.575
And then I always tell people
they need a per small personal,

01:11:35.205 --> 01:11:37.065
like, maybe you need blister kit.

01:11:37.125 --> 01:11:40.335
Maybe you need like, maybe another
bit of tape, things like that.

01:11:40.605 --> 01:11:44.115
So I'll keep it, maybe the team, like, I
don't think we need 10 turning keys out.

01:11:44.235 --> 01:11:46.095
Mm-hmm  we don't need 10 pocket mask.

01:11:46.095 --> 01:11:48.825
Hopefully mm-hmm  mm-hmm
so I try to do that.

01:11:48.885 --> 01:11:52.725
Um, I know for myself, I've had
some medical problems in the past,

01:11:52.725 --> 01:11:55.545
like, um, that HPI lower bacteria.

01:11:55.695 --> 01:11:55.845
Yeah.

01:11:55.845 --> 01:11:56.505
That was crazy.

01:11:56.535 --> 01:12:00.465
Did a normal, my guts were ended
up with, um, eroding esophagus.

01:12:00.465 --> 01:12:04.605
Loads of ulcers came the light on the
second trip to Natalie with the GI bleed.

01:12:04.605 --> 01:12:05.205
Right, right.

01:12:05.445 --> 01:12:09.015
So I carry one thing that
aggravates my tummy is.

01:12:10.035 --> 01:12:10.755
Dehydrated food.

01:12:10.965 --> 01:12:12.045
I love that you call it your tummy.

01:12:12.745 --> 01:12:14.535
finished, finished term coming home.

01:12:15.285 --> 01:12:16.185
My tummy chops.

01:12:16.395 --> 01:12:16.755
Yeah.

01:12:17.205 --> 01:12:20.535
But, um, due to this, to
the ulcers and things.

01:12:20.535 --> 01:12:20.595
Yeah.

01:12:20.595 --> 01:12:24.045
Like I've on like dehydrated
food is light mm-hmm  right.

01:12:24.045 --> 01:12:25.245
Socks, but it's light.

01:12:25.815 --> 01:12:28.275
So short trips, we go
to that big expeditions.

01:12:28.280 --> 01:12:31.425
We're gonna bring her more fresh
food for first couple weeks,

01:12:31.965 --> 01:12:34.545
but I've even migrated now.

01:12:34.550 --> 01:12:37.545
I know what my, my, my stomach, yes.

01:12:37.545 --> 01:12:38.025
Not tell me.

01:12:38.655 --> 01:12:39.975
um, appreciates.

01:12:40.005 --> 01:12:43.425
It's I, I really, the only meal I
eat for dinner is Mac and cheese now.

01:12:44.205 --> 01:12:44.385
Yeah.

01:12:44.445 --> 01:12:45.435
Nothing wrong with Mac and cheese.

01:12:45.435 --> 01:12:48.465
And it has the same calorie content,
a little bit more fat than the others.

01:12:48.495 --> 01:12:48.705
Yeah.

01:12:48.765 --> 01:12:49.515
Same protein.

01:12:50.055 --> 01:12:51.915
And my system digested problems.

01:12:51.915 --> 01:12:54.915
As soon as I start getting
in the lentils, the rice, the

01:12:54.915 --> 01:12:57.405
meats, it aggravates my stomach.

01:12:57.405 --> 01:13:00.015
So one thing in my own first
aid kit now is I carry.

01:13:01.035 --> 01:13:01.875
Any acid pills.

01:13:01.995 --> 01:13:02.385
Mm.

01:13:02.505 --> 01:13:05.535
So for example, if I'm going
away on a trip, I start doing the

01:13:05.535 --> 01:13:06.855
dosage and their prescription.

01:13:07.125 --> 01:13:07.485
Okay.

01:13:07.485 --> 01:13:09.825
So there's, I carry seven, yeah.

01:13:09.855 --> 01:13:11.925
With me on expeditions and stuff.

01:13:11.985 --> 01:13:16.575
But like, if I'm going away on a trip,
I'll start taking the anti acids prior,

01:13:16.934 --> 01:13:18.525
maybe three, four days, get in the zone.

01:13:18.825 --> 01:13:20.355
I have 'em there on the trip.

01:13:20.894 --> 01:13:22.035
I'll take 'em during the trip.

01:13:22.514 --> 01:13:26.085
Um, and I ensure that I won't
have any problems with my stomach.

01:13:27.045 --> 01:13:31.094
Um, three years ago, for whatever
reason I started getting migraines.

01:13:31.184 --> 01:13:31.455
Mm.

01:13:31.844 --> 01:13:37.125
So, um, one thing with the ulcers, always,
I wasn't able to take ibuprofen for years.

01:13:37.130 --> 01:13:37.235
Mm.

01:13:37.665 --> 01:13:40.245
So now Tylenol doesn't do the same effect.

01:13:40.245 --> 01:13:40.545
Right?

01:13:41.115 --> 01:13:42.135
I bef works.

01:13:42.195 --> 01:13:43.155
Ibuprofen works.

01:13:43.184 --> 01:13:46.755
So my stomach, my tummy
is diligent enough.

01:13:46.760 --> 01:13:50.985
Now that I can take ibuprofen a lot in
one dose, but I can't be on it regularly.

01:13:51.495 --> 01:13:55.275
So this migraine that came up three
years ago, it knocked me out for.

01:13:55.799 --> 01:13:58.170
In bed for seven days, I've
never had migraine in my life.

01:13:58.710 --> 01:14:02.219
I've had two more attacks this spring.

01:14:02.370 --> 01:14:10.830
Mm-hmm  um, doing research, uh, who
knew, but like red wine is a migraine

01:14:11.009 --> 01:14:14.580
in, um, cause and dark chocolate.

01:14:14.759 --> 01:14:15.780
I think some people knew that.

01:14:15.900 --> 01:14:16.320
Yeah.

01:14:16.410 --> 01:14:19.740
And I actually, um, love red wine.

01:14:19.799 --> 01:14:19.980
Yeah.

01:14:19.980 --> 01:14:20.759
Don't drink it anymore.

01:14:20.820 --> 01:14:21.059
Yeah.

01:14:21.150 --> 01:14:24.840
Both times I've had it twice in
migraines in the spring, migraine bad.

01:14:24.900 --> 01:14:31.500
And so now, um, I find long days
with dehydration will trigger

01:14:31.500 --> 01:14:34.170
cuz a headache and a dehydration
headaches different than migraines.

01:14:34.200 --> 01:14:34.530
Right.

01:14:34.799 --> 01:14:35.580
But I keep.

01:14:36.525 --> 01:14:38.775
Rapid migraine pills in
my first aid get too.

01:14:38.894 --> 01:14:43.785
So any in inclination, like I can't
explain it more than like migraines, like

01:14:43.785 --> 01:14:45.345
the back of your eyeballs start to hurt.

01:14:45.375 --> 01:14:45.525
Yep.

01:14:45.885 --> 01:14:47.655
There's pressure in different places.

01:14:48.045 --> 01:14:50.985
Um, I just know when I'm having a
migraine attack and I actually had

01:14:50.985 --> 01:14:54.885
one not too long ago, the next day
after, um, being out in the Alpine.

01:14:54.885 --> 01:14:55.245
Mm.

01:14:55.575 --> 01:14:57.855
Um, carrying in it's
different than a headache.

01:14:58.275 --> 01:15:01.485
And I just, so I keep two of
those with the anti acid pills.

01:15:01.485 --> 01:15:03.345
So these are my specialized first aid kit.

01:15:04.545 --> 01:15:05.295
And that's dad.

01:15:05.475 --> 01:15:07.485
That definitely helps with the comfort.

01:15:07.575 --> 01:15:11.985
Um, no fun being out there in the
back country with migraines, I,

01:15:11.985 --> 01:15:16.395
after, um, a car accident I was in,
they sent me to a pain doctor and

01:15:16.455 --> 01:15:21.345
they were talking about managing
pain and, uh, um, ibuprofen works.

01:15:21.675 --> 01:15:23.265
He says you don't chase the pain.

01:15:23.295 --> 01:15:23.985
You hammer it.

01:15:24.195 --> 01:15:24.435
Yeah.

01:15:24.545 --> 01:15:27.195
When, when it comes on, if you feel
the migraine something coming on, you

01:15:27.195 --> 01:15:33.645
don't just take one, you take two extra
strength, gel cab, Advils, and hammer.

01:15:33.650 --> 01:15:35.025
If that doesn't work, do it again.

01:15:35.055 --> 01:15:35.295
Yeah.

01:15:35.295 --> 01:15:39.075
And then you, you can small updates as
you go through terrible on the stomach.

01:15:39.075 --> 01:15:39.555
I'm sure.

01:15:39.560 --> 01:15:39.615
Yeah.

01:15:39.885 --> 01:15:42.465
But, um, but it manages a pain.

01:15:42.465 --> 01:15:42.555
Yeah.

01:15:42.975 --> 01:15:48.645
When you're, you know, I, um,
buddy Richmond fire, and he was

01:15:48.650 --> 01:15:52.605
with a group number of years
ago and they did, uh, Denali.

01:15:52.665 --> 01:15:55.335
They didn't get the summit
out of it, but, um, uh, he.

01:15:56.115 --> 01:16:01.155
He was able to get morphine to,
uh, take out in up the mountain.

01:16:01.605 --> 01:16:05.025
Is that something that, uh,
anyone's bringing up with him

01:16:05.415 --> 01:16:06.915
just in case morphine pills?

01:16:07.455 --> 01:16:07.634
Yeah.

01:16:07.695 --> 01:16:09.464
Or, or did he have a
special clinic connection?

01:16:09.794 --> 01:16:10.544
He probably did.

01:16:10.544 --> 01:16:12.915
Maybe some paramedic gotcha.

01:16:12.974 --> 01:16:14.625
Type level in that probably.

01:16:14.804 --> 01:16:15.915
I think I knew it was connection.

01:16:15.974 --> 01:16:16.304
Yeah.

01:16:16.724 --> 01:16:18.735
Probably I was able to do it.

01:16:19.485 --> 01:16:20.054
Okay.

01:16:21.044 --> 01:16:26.474
I think that's probably, uh, a good now
you're, you're spending most of your time

01:16:26.504 --> 01:16:35.100
in cold weather environments and I know
in, uh, In British Columbia here most in

01:16:35.100 --> 01:16:38.460
Canada, most of the people who are gonna
be going out and enjoying the Bush who

01:16:38.460 --> 01:16:41.340
are interested in, um, hunting or fishing.

01:16:41.340 --> 01:16:45.480
And a lot of that's gonna be in the,
uh, the fall seasons or the spring

01:16:45.480 --> 01:16:47.100
seasons when it's gonna be a bit colder.

01:16:47.105 --> 01:16:52.860
But they're, uh, warmer does tend
to be easier in some respects.

01:16:52.860 --> 01:16:56.370
So you don't have as much kit with
you, but there are other considerations

01:16:56.370 --> 01:16:58.770
that you were talking about where
like dehydration, headaches.

01:16:58.830 --> 01:16:59.130
Yeah.

01:16:59.130 --> 01:17:02.010
Like for sure, like this summer
heat stroke, our cascades

01:17:02.010 --> 01:17:03.000
were all high thirties.

01:17:03.300 --> 01:17:03.750
Yeah.

01:17:03.750 --> 01:17:04.740
On the, on the glacier.

01:17:04.745 --> 01:17:07.740
And that's a different,
that's a different ke of fish.

01:17:07.980 --> 01:17:08.280
Yeah.

01:17:08.280 --> 01:17:12.420
Like knowing how to move on
glaciers or hot environment

01:17:12.420 --> 01:17:14.640
and still move loose layers.

01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:16.200
I'm all about the sun shirts now.

01:17:16.205 --> 01:17:17.520
Long sleeve sun shirts.

01:17:17.550 --> 01:17:18.810
BD makes a good one.

01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:19.170
Yeah.

01:17:19.170 --> 01:17:20.070
Outdoor research.

01:17:20.430 --> 01:17:26.010
I had a, uh, a guy on, um, an intro
to mountain ear course, short sleeved.

01:17:26.220 --> 01:17:31.275
Mm-hmm  um, Day one snow
school, complete lobster.

01:17:31.275 --> 01:17:33.495
And the day two, we took him
out to the Alpine and he was

01:17:33.495 --> 01:17:35.475
just completely dehydrated.

01:17:35.475 --> 01:17:37.005
One kid didn't have glacier glasses.

01:17:37.095 --> 01:17:37.445
Right.

01:17:37.605 --> 01:17:39.165
Didn't have any sunglasses two days.

01:17:39.255 --> 01:17:39.585
Mm.

01:17:39.765 --> 01:17:40.035
Right.

01:17:40.035 --> 01:17:40.545
Things like that.

01:17:40.545 --> 01:17:42.885
And they learned some really
valuable lessons yeah.

01:17:42.975 --> 01:17:43.485
On this.

01:17:43.485 --> 01:17:47.415
But yeah, like moving glaciers
is actually quite like in Denali.

01:17:47.415 --> 01:17:50.475
It could be you're in a t-shirt
and then it's minus 30 that night.

01:17:50.715 --> 01:17:50.985
Right.

01:17:50.985 --> 01:17:52.005
So that's interesting too.

01:17:52.005 --> 01:17:53.985
Now is the extreme changes.

01:17:54.195 --> 01:17:54.375
Hmm.

01:17:54.585 --> 01:17:55.425
Um, stuff.

01:17:55.425 --> 01:17:58.305
And I were climbing inston and we
were trying to go really light.

01:17:58.305 --> 01:18:02.955
We were was just the light over, over
bags, which were fine, but it was

01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:04.455
getting so cold in the Alpine at night.

01:18:04.455 --> 01:18:10.515
They had to go to our zero sleep bags and,
um, It's that sudden change and it usually

01:18:10.515 --> 01:18:15.330
starts, I find, and I remember also being
in the, you know, canyon forces in Wayne

01:18:15.330 --> 01:18:20.235
Wright August is that sudden change 30
during the day and then almost zero night.

01:18:20.265 --> 01:18:20.715
Right.

01:18:20.865 --> 01:18:23.805
And that's the change that I
find is actually I'm colder then.

01:18:23.809 --> 01:18:25.845
And then I am minus 10, right?

01:18:25.875 --> 01:18:27.725
15 in the winter camping.

01:18:27.945 --> 01:18:28.805
Mm-hmm  right.

01:18:28.995 --> 01:18:31.335
It's that, that change in the system.

01:18:31.965 --> 01:18:32.265
Yeah.

01:18:32.265 --> 01:18:32.805
That's hard to

01:18:32.805 --> 01:18:33.375
plan for.

01:18:34.275 --> 01:18:34.635
Yeah.

01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:37.515
It's a bit of a shock to the system,
plus the humidity in the air for

01:18:37.519 --> 01:18:39.015
whatever reason when he gets down to.

01:18:39.855 --> 01:18:43.965
Zero when it's humid out, it's it
feels colder when it's negative tan.

01:18:43.965 --> 01:18:44.054
Well,

01:18:44.285 --> 01:18:46.965
it's actually scientific cuz
people always say, oh, it's,

01:18:46.965 --> 01:18:48.134
it's a wet cold and isn't right.

01:18:48.165 --> 01:18:49.665
But there's actually science behind it.

01:18:49.695 --> 01:18:49.995
Yeah.

01:18:50.085 --> 01:18:54.644
That the humidity air, when
it's colder is actually colder.

01:18:55.035 --> 01:18:58.545
I believe it, it actually has to do with
like, you know, we, we perspire yeah.

01:18:58.605 --> 01:18:59.295
Will be cool.

01:18:59.415 --> 01:18:59.684
Yeah.

01:19:00.045 --> 01:19:02.025
And that's exactly what's
happening with their humid air.

01:19:02.025 --> 01:19:06.375
So that's why people Winnipeg always say,
oh, you know, west coasts complaining

01:19:06.375 --> 01:19:08.405
about the, you know, it's cold.

01:19:08.985 --> 01:19:15.165
like my friend, um, posty came out to
spend, um, Christmas, 2003 in Edinburgh.

01:19:15.405 --> 01:19:15.615
Yeah.

01:19:15.974 --> 01:19:21.075
And, uh, she was an officer came
forces born in Ontario, maybe minus 15.

01:19:21.235 --> 01:19:21.525
Yeah.

01:19:21.644 --> 01:19:23.384
And it was maybe zero in Edinburgh.

01:19:23.445 --> 01:19:25.755
Mm-hmm  the windy Cindy
mm-hmm  off the north Atlantic.

01:19:26.235 --> 01:19:27.434
He had never been so cold.

01:19:27.735 --> 01:19:28.005
Yeah.

01:19:28.009 --> 01:19:28.485
At zero.

01:19:28.695 --> 01:19:31.005
I believe it in Scotland, I
believe compared to being minus

01:19:31.009 --> 01:19:35.205
15 and it was completely different
experience for her, you know?

01:19:35.415 --> 01:19:35.775
So.

01:19:36.210 --> 01:19:36.540
Yeah.

01:19:37.200 --> 01:19:41.460
Well, why don't, uh, we look at wrapping
it up here, if there's anything else that,

01:19:41.460 --> 01:19:46.260
uh, we should be talking about, I'm sure
the listeners will, uh, will write their

01:19:46.260 --> 01:19:48.840
comments in and, um, and request it.

01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:55.320
But I think those are sort of my main
things that I like to have with me.

01:19:55.350 --> 01:19:57.120
The number one is my mindset, right.

01:19:57.120 --> 01:20:03.630
And my mindset and survival attitude, like
what you're talking about, having the, um,

01:20:04.140 --> 01:20:09.330
uh, taking the path of least resistance,
the safer path between the two, that's

01:20:09.330 --> 01:20:12.690
something that I've had to learn and I'm
still working on still working on it.

01:20:12.910 --> 01:20:14.250
I'm still working on option, right?

01:20:14.280 --> 01:20:15.120
The safer option.

01:20:15.150 --> 01:20:15.510
Yeah.

01:20:15.640 --> 01:20:15.930
Yeah.

01:20:16.020 --> 01:20:20.460
Um, and that's something that, uh,
you know, when you're young and dumb

01:20:20.460 --> 01:20:22.350
and male ego and all the rest, right.

01:20:22.350 --> 01:20:25.350
And I can do it and you
do, and you figure it out.

01:20:25.500 --> 01:20:28.950
But that, that little threshold
there, that knife's blade that we tend

01:20:28.950 --> 01:20:31.230
to walk on between life and death.

01:20:31.350 --> 01:20:31.500
Yeah.

01:20:31.530 --> 01:20:31.830
Yeah.

01:20:31.890 --> 01:20:34.470
We are very robust, but
there is also a very.

01:20:35.549 --> 01:20:37.530
And we aren't in some ways, right?

01:20:37.980 --> 01:20:38.190
Yeah.

01:20:38.339 --> 01:20:43.440
Um, I think those are the biggest things
that you can take away from a survival

01:20:43.500 --> 01:20:45.509
mindset is the attitude and the mindset.

01:20:45.870 --> 01:20:47.370
Then it comes down to communication.

01:20:47.370 --> 01:20:50.070
Then it starts coming down to the
kit in the order that you gave

01:20:51.179 --> 01:20:55.440
and to summarize, to summarize the final
point we didn't talk about is fitness.

01:20:56.339 --> 01:20:56.759
Oh yeah.

01:20:56.820 --> 01:20:58.379
Witness the fitness, right?

01:20:58.379 --> 01:20:58.650
Yes.

01:20:58.950 --> 01:21:00.509
So that's critical.

01:21:00.629 --> 01:21:00.929
Mm.

01:21:01.019 --> 01:21:06.000
Um, I discovered strength
training in my forties.

01:21:06.030 --> 01:21:06.330
Right.

01:21:06.419 --> 01:21:07.799
I wish I just did it in my thirties.

01:21:07.919 --> 01:21:08.009
Right.

01:21:08.009 --> 01:21:10.530
I didn't tell any of these young
guys, like, instead of working out

01:21:10.535 --> 01:21:11.610
to look good strength training.

01:21:11.700 --> 01:21:12.049
Right.

01:21:12.179 --> 01:21:17.160
But that's so critical being able
to move fast through the train at a

01:21:17.160 --> 01:21:23.009
safe speed limits, your exposure and
the impact on your body function.

01:21:23.009 --> 01:21:24.000
You do this a long term.

01:21:24.179 --> 01:21:24.360
Yeah.

01:21:24.389 --> 01:21:24.690
Right.

01:21:25.230 --> 01:21:29.219
Uh, key three mountain guide up Whistler
was talking about, he must be in his

01:21:29.219 --> 01:21:31.110
mid sixties and he's an examiner.

01:21:31.455 --> 01:21:35.264
Hell ski guide still doing it,
but he was talking about the young

01:21:35.264 --> 01:21:36.675
guys are gonna jump off the cliff.

01:21:36.915 --> 01:21:38.955
Mm-hmm  the older guys are
gonna ski around the cliff.

01:21:39.105 --> 01:21:40.335
Still get to where you're going.

01:21:40.455 --> 01:21:41.144
Yeah.

01:21:41.144 --> 01:21:41.146
Yeah.

01:21:41.745 --> 01:21:44.025
But as your older age, you're not
gonna be dropping off the cliff.

01:21:44.295 --> 01:21:44.894
Mm you're.

01:21:44.894 --> 01:21:45.855
Still skiing the slope.

01:21:46.125 --> 01:21:46.275
Yeah.

01:21:46.304 --> 01:21:47.415
You're not doing the big drop maybe.

01:21:47.415 --> 01:21:50.535
So I still find little drops
but I'm not doing big drops.

01:21:50.594 --> 01:21:51.315
Right, right.

01:21:51.434 --> 01:21:53.325
So I think fitness is so critical.

01:21:53.325 --> 01:21:57.615
You wanna be able to move fast,
limit your exposure and then you

01:21:57.615 --> 01:21:59.985
don't become a counter to yourself.

01:22:00.045 --> 01:22:02.835
Mm-hmm  stroke, cold
injury and all that stuff.

01:22:02.835 --> 01:22:03.105
Right.

01:22:03.285 --> 01:22:04.665
So fitness is really critical.

01:22:04.815 --> 01:22:05.085
Yeah.

01:22:05.415 --> 01:22:06.675
Start small, go big.

01:22:07.065 --> 01:22:07.575
Yeah.

01:22:07.580 --> 01:22:07.955
Fitness.

01:22:08.295 --> 01:22:08.804
I like it.

01:22:08.804 --> 01:22:10.094
And it helps a mindset too.

01:22:10.125 --> 01:22:10.304
Yeah.

01:22:10.724 --> 01:22:11.445
Cause you can think.

01:22:11.445 --> 01:22:15.855
And, and you know, like one I, one
trip I did with Brent fairy metals

01:22:15.855 --> 01:22:19.155
hut and the very first day we went
off, Brent likes to get up set the

01:22:19.155 --> 01:22:23.514
pace first day, we're doing this big,
um, big summit and I had the Arteri.

01:22:23.985 --> 01:22:25.155
Um, AIE bag.

01:22:25.304 --> 01:22:25.514
Yep.

01:22:26.054 --> 01:22:28.035
And the tear Avy bag was nine pounds.

01:22:28.155 --> 01:22:28.485
Mm.

01:22:28.514 --> 01:22:31.485
Plus, all the guide gear I
got 30 plus pound bag now.

01:22:31.545 --> 01:22:36.285
Mm-hmm  and I came from sea level
mm-hmm  we're up in the RO uh, Rogers

01:22:36.285 --> 01:22:41.505
pass mm-hmm  and I was exhausted
as the second guide on this trip.

01:22:41.594 --> 01:22:47.085
And luckily I packed a 30 leader,
Arteric alpha, um, Alpine bag.

01:22:47.245 --> 01:22:47.535
Yeah.

01:22:47.540 --> 01:22:47.625
Yeah.

01:22:47.684 --> 01:22:52.304
So I could barely get all my guide
kit in it, but yes, I'm limiting

01:22:52.365 --> 01:22:55.665
myself for being in avalanche.

01:22:55.695 --> 01:22:55.934
Yep.

01:22:56.264 --> 01:23:01.394
But I have more energy to make
conscious correct decisions.

01:23:01.934 --> 01:23:06.285
I'm more physically in like robustly
can lead up front break trail.

01:23:06.344 --> 01:23:06.615
Yep.

01:23:06.974 --> 01:23:14.025
And, um, you know, I was just mentally
there mm-hmm  you know, so that's

01:23:14.025 --> 01:23:15.405
this big debate about the Avie bag?

01:23:15.434 --> 01:23:18.105
I, I own two Avy bags, maybe three.

01:23:18.480 --> 01:23:21.990
But , there's a time and a place for
it, like ski and I have a Avi bag

01:23:22.019 --> 01:23:25.200
and I have a touring bag for when
the conditions storm indicate to it.

01:23:25.259 --> 01:23:25.559
Mm.

01:23:25.740 --> 01:23:27.629
But I mean, we could talk
about this on another podcast.

01:23:27.629 --> 01:23:27.780
Sure.

01:23:27.780 --> 01:23:29.070
And there is podcasts about it.

01:23:29.070 --> 01:23:29.339
Yeah.

01:23:29.490 --> 01:23:32.490
About Avie bag, not AIE bag
and the mindset with it.

01:23:32.490 --> 01:23:35.370
Mm-hmm  but there is a, there
was a time there, like I just

01:23:35.370 --> 01:23:37.080
ditched eight pounds right away.

01:23:37.440 --> 01:23:38.969
Made a huge difference
for the rest of the trip.

01:23:39.269 --> 01:23:39.570
Yeah.

01:23:39.570 --> 01:23:39.690
And

01:23:39.690 --> 01:23:44.969
that mindset, well, fitness, like you
were saying before, huge changes, how

01:23:44.969 --> 01:23:49.410
you changes, how you make decisions,
changes the outcome of your day.

01:23:49.830 --> 01:23:54.900
And the reliance on kit is one of
those things, relying on a nav bag.

01:23:54.900 --> 01:23:58.230
Well, that's extra weight and I'm
going slow, relying on all the cool

01:23:58.230 --> 01:23:59.790
kit that you found at the store.

01:24:00.299 --> 01:24:10.259
Um, I, I think really when it comes down
to, uh, wilderness survival mindset, um,

01:24:11.880 --> 01:24:15.960
communications, like, like you were saying
there, having enough, proper equipment

01:24:15.960 --> 01:24:20.219
to survive, not necessarily being, living
in the lap of luxury while you're there.

01:24:20.219 --> 01:24:20.280
Yeah.

01:24:21.179 --> 01:24:25.080
And that changes like
Squamish, a windbreaker mm.

01:24:25.110 --> 01:24:26.099
Is enough for the night.

01:24:26.130 --> 01:24:26.429
Yeah.

01:24:26.460 --> 01:24:29.639
But as we move into fall, then you
start, you know, your micro fleece and

01:24:29.644 --> 01:24:31.320
then mm-hmm,  move into your puffy.

01:24:31.620 --> 01:24:33.960
But going to the Rockies right
now, I'm, I'm bringing puffy

01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:35.190
pants and a puffy jacket.

01:24:35.219 --> 01:24:35.490
Yeah.

01:24:35.730 --> 01:24:36.000
Right.

01:24:36.360 --> 01:24:36.480
Yeah.

01:24:36.480 --> 01:24:37.530
Spare gloves and everything else.

01:24:37.530 --> 01:24:41.070
So you just gotta do your
homework, get the information.

01:24:41.070 --> 01:24:41.820
It comes back to that.

01:24:41.820 --> 01:24:46.380
Uncertainty, you know, get more
info, increase your margin of safety.

01:24:47.070 --> 01:24:47.460
Awesome.

01:24:48.179 --> 01:24:51.450
Jace, thanks very much for coming
on the Silvercore Podcast, time.

01:24:51.450 --> 01:24:55.150
Number four, number four, looking
forward to time's handshake.

01:24:55.349 --> 01:24:56.710
I do too, right on brother.