Ghost in the Machine

OpenAI disclosed that its own models escaped an evaluation sandbox, reached the open internet, and breached Hugging Face to steal benchmark answers. Andrew and Liz take the story without a guest, because this one did not need a referee.

Andrew's position is that the model did exactly what it was told. Give a system a goal and no stated limits, and it will find the shortest path, including the illegal one. Liz's position is that this is what happens when you deploy something that pursues goals without caring about rules, and that you cannot set it and forget it.

The Turn arrives on the question nobody in the coverage was asking: who is responsible? Not the AI, the parents. The company that built it and the company that deployed it, both at once, with overlapping rules that look a lot like a temp agency contract.

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What is Ghost in the Machine?

The AI conversation, without the noise.

Every week, Andrew DeGood and Liz Short sit down for a thirty-minute conversation about artificial intelligence. Andrew comes in as the optimist, a founder building AI products and betting his career on where this technology is headed. Liz brings the harder questions, the ones about what we lose, what we risk, and what we owe the people who didn't sign up for any of this.

They bring in the people actually shaping the field. Researchers, founders, ethicists, skeptics, builders. Real conversations about real implications. No hype cycles. No doom loops. Just two smart people and a guest trying to figure out what this moment actually means.

New episodes stream live every Thursday. Available on every podcast platform after.