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What are you doing here?

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Looking for a friend. Do you mind?

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Kind of friend. Kind of

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friend. Maybe. Maybe. Do you know where I can get some?

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Calling us drug dealers? Is that what you're

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calling me? No,

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I'm calling you a midget donkey fucker.

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You want to do something about it?

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It's not fair. A gun against a knife

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and. Por favor, no hitting below the belt.

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It's not ladyl.

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Now let's see how smart you talk when I cut out your

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tongue. Praise the

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Lord for bringing us this generous penalty.

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Just give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Wait,

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wait. I worry what you just heard was give me a lot of

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bacon and eggs. What I said was give me all

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the bacon and eggs you have.

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L does about 56ameal,

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huh? Look like me

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back on the menu?

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That's why I'm hungry. Each word I say

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farther and farther into a radical.

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No secret. It's amazing. Don't skip on.

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I'd buy that for a dollar. No fat for

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me, please. When you're trying to come back. Oh, look at me. Look at me.

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I cannot seem EAS upset.

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What about that time I found you. Naked with that bowl of junk?

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Hello, folks. Welcome to Cinnamon Beef. The burnt ends.

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It's that. It's that crispy part of the brisket that tastes so,

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so good. Posse some sauce. You know,

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and speaking of deliciousness, I have

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my broadcast partner on last call. Torch. He's one of them

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with me tonight. The. The great Cameron

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Scott is here. How you doing, sir? I'm doing great.

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I'm ready to talk some Fred Ray. Man, I love this guy.

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Yeah, yeah, I forgot we're doing. Because we've been a while since

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we did this. We. We meant to put more of these.

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And that's my fault for not saying, hey, camera, you want to do some more

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of these? So if you can recall the last that we're gonna do,

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we'll do that to these two jams. But we figured we kick it off proper

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back again and do some Braille and Ray jams

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tonight. One, then probably Sunday night,

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another one. Behind the scenes stuff.

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This is Commando Squad from 1987. And here's

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the trailer.

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It was the perfect setup to infiltrate a drug operation from the

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inside. But suddenly something went terribly wrong.

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We sent 20 of our best agents down there to bust up that little paradise.

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Seven of them are missing in action. They mailed the rest of them to us

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in very small pieces. I'll send you a postcard. How you

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gonna handle it? Like I always do. Organized chaos.

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She's his only hope for survival and the last stand for

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justice. She's coming and you can't stop. She's afraid

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of me. I'm not afraid of her.

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If you're dealing with the underworld, the game can get dirty.

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This place is got to burn.

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But when you call in this dynamic duo, the game will change

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and the war will just begin.

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Because they're the army that's gonna blow this battle wide open.

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Culprit, Brian Thompson and playmate of the year,

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Cathy Showers.

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Together, they're the toughest team in town, rewriting the book on law

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and order. Sometimes it's

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not you play the game, it's how you win.

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And if you want to win, call in Commando

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Squad. Commando Squad.

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Your cheap applause synopsis is an American narcotics

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agent takes her squad to Mexico where she wants to break up a drug smuggling

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gang that has also kidnapped her boyfriend. That is a shitty plot synopsis

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for this movie. We'll talk lazy writing right there. That's lazy

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writing. It's a sadder boyfriend, for one thing.

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We'll talk about that, though. That's. Yeah, yeah. There's an inconsistency in

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that. This is directed by Fred Olive

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Ray, written by Michael Sonier. I have

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to see what his credits are real fast. I'm curious is this is. Because this

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is good, but it's kind of cheap at the same time. So we're

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gonna look right now and see what he wrote.

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Known for. Oh, the voice. He's also known as

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Dookie Fly Swatter, right? Oh, that's him.

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Okay. Yeah, same guy. Yeah. I'm pretty sure I was gonna make

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that joke in Cyclone that it was. If it's a freaking

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dookie supply squatter joint, it's obviously this or

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freaking David Dakota movie. But he is directed by the one and only

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Dookie Fly Swatter. Or written by. I mean,

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did not know that was his real name. I just always come to keep Lywater.

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This stars Kathy Shower as Cat Withers. Now she's in

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a bunch of films like this and a Bunch of Skin Max that you

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may have seen. Late Night Posse pulling your pud.

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I have no idea. But she's in a lot of those kind of movies.

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And including, including, including. Including Irresistible

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Impulse, Love Street, Fatal Choice. That can

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go either way. There's more of these. She's in a lot of

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these, you know, bumping and grinding type movies.

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The Skin of AX era, the Skin of X era. It's a wonderful thing.

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The legendary Brian Thompson, you know him from. From Cobra

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And Fright Night Part two and so many,

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many, many things. Mortal Kombat, Annihilation,

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if you're nasty. He's in that as well.

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The great William Smith, one of the best heavies that have ever heavied

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as Morgan Denny.

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His credits go on and on and on. The exploitation era.

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I'm not even going to go into it, but, you know, we do

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a. Whole series like Last Call of Torches is on William Smith.

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That guy's been in everything. I keep waiting for Doug Tilly

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because he's. They're looking for a new show to do after the big Diaz

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show ended. I must suggest that to do William Smith movies

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because there's a lot of good ones out there, and one of

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which is a favorite I I the Tiger with Gary Busey.

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Well, William Smith plays the heavy in that movie, and I. Oh,

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yeah. When he plays the big badass bald biker.

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Yeah. I love that movie. I mean,

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of course, he's also Conan's daddy.

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Conan's dad, yeah. Yeah. The late,

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great. I. I still miss him. Every time I walk into a convention, every time

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I see a Days of the Dead and he's not there, I get real sad.

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It's Sid Haig is Iggy looking like a Mexican

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street pimp in this movie. And I'm not even mad about it. Okay. You know.

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Oh, me neither. I, I hadn't seen this movie,

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so I'm giving that away here. Earlier on, when I

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saw that Sid Haig was in it, I was just like, I, I am all

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in. Oh, it's a sign of quality for sure,

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man. Yeah. Other folks include Robert Quarry,

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who you may know as Count Yorga in the Count Yorga

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movies. Mel Wells Quintano,

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Marie Windsor as Casey Andre

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as Anita. As some other folks in here, Russ Tamblyn shows up as an

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anchor. I just, I've been watching Twin Peaks, so I've

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been seeing Russ Tamblyn a lot again. For the

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first time ever, I've been watching Twin Peaks. How's that

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going for you? It's going good. It's going good.

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I'll talk about that. Another show for sure.

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Ross Hagen is Cowboy. There's some other folks in

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here. Michelle Bauer shows us probably an unannounced

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boobage moment, I'm sure. Probably random Mexican

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damsel in distress. I don't even know. But, you know, the thing

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is, I saw her name in the credits and we just met her like six

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months ago at Cinema Wasteland, and I was just like, oh, great,

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Michelle Bowers in this. But I'm like I could not find

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her. She must have been like the third refugee from the left.

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Could be, yes. Because I watched this twice and I'm just like,

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I couldn't fucking tell you where

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she was in that movie, man. Yeah, your basic plot is.

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This is the plot of Commando basically where, you know,

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they're told her team is dead. She goes to go find

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one of the members of her team in a Mexican encampment.

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And it turns out that that William Smith,

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who's not Vernon Wells, is not dead and he's working for this

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group, mercenaries. And she's gotta go

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blow out old Brian Thompson or be the hero with her,

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her fake Joan jet wig on and blow some people away.

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Oh, that wig is what's better than her hair. I'll get into that when I

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have my, my talk about that. So you know,

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Cameron, first time watching you, first time watch for me.

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What'd you think of Commando Squad from 1987?

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Well, dude, if you can. If the listeners at home can't tell

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from the model laughing that we're doing this movie's a hoot.

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And by saying that, I'm like, I'm not saying it's good.

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It's one of those. And I do believe in this saying. I'm a firm

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believer in something that's so bad it's good. This movie is pretty

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self aware what it is. It's a spoof of action

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movies. It's got every trope, it's got the damsel

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in distress, but the damsel is Brian Thompson. So go figure that one out.

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As Clint, he spends more time being captured and

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running away than he does anything. And that's not a slight to his

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character, to his acting, because he does great. But this

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movie is like a who's who of Z

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grade actors of the 80s.

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And I say Z grade. I mean that with utmost respect because I love the

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Z grade stuff. You know, Robert Corey, William Smith, Sid Haig,

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I mean, Russ Tamblyn, I mean everybody else that's in it. I mean,

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I'm a huge Robert Corey fan

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and I've been a fan of his ever since I saw My mother introduced me

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to the, the Count Jorgen movies when I was a kid.

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So this movie was just a hoot to watch. Like everybody in it. I'm pointing,

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I'm like, oh, that's Tank, you know, that's Tane McClure. Oh, that's Ross Hagen.

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Like, you know, everybody was somebody that

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I recognized. And the action is good, is really

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good as well choreographed. I mean and when I started diving into this,

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doing the kind of a deep dive, I couldn't believe that this movie was filmed

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for 750,000. Now I don't know if those numbers were fudged

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up for something, but it has a feel of a much bigger budgeted

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movie. And I usually.

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I just have an infinite love for movies

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that are inept, you know.

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And I have to say that about Fred Olin

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Ray. A lot of his movies are very much on the fringe,

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but I love this. I'd say it's

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a lot like his other 80s

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actioners. Like Terminal Force is a little similar

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to that. It's a little similar to Armed Response which

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I've seen several times. So I don't know how this one ever slipped

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past me. I always was renting movies like this when I was a kid.

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So I have to thank you for, you know, suggesting us to doing

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this one. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed this film immensely as first time

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watch. Yeah, I'm right there with it is a

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tolerable yet enough action film. I mean

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the plot's real loose. I mean she our

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lead actress who was playmate of the year 1986 by the way.

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So she's used to taking her clothes off. We don't see any

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of that in this movie. I guess they, they. I guess Fred found

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a girl that takes her clothes off but doesn't take clothes off in his movie.

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I, I guess he did a good job there, I guess. But she's

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a cop. I guess it's gonna go on vacation. But of course,

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you know, this one job sucks her back in and

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it goes on from there. I think it's biggest.

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It's not his biggest crime because he thinks this

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right away takes us. This actress is that. Well, it's not just at this point

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she's just a model. It turns into her to a pretty

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decent action star for probably one of her

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first times out in something like this. Yeah, I thought she handled

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it pretty well for being, you know, pretty much, you know, a newbie at

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the business. I, you know, I wasn't that familiar

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with her. You know, I've seen a couple of those Skin and Max movies back

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in the day. But she handles the action fairly well. I mean she makes it

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look believable. Told the gun right for one thing. So that's

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a big first step. One that you know, she told an assault rifle

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is obviously not. Not real or else she probably knock around a little

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ass. But you know they have the whole. And this is where it's

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pretty right Away because you have the opening sequence to where she's looking

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for somebody. I forget the plot point, but she follows them into like of course,

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a steel warehouse to where she dispatches them.

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And I don't know if, if Fred had like good

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stunt coordinators on this movie working with him. I think on the next one we're

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talking about the stunt coordinator acts and, and, and does the stunts

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and the next we're gonna talk about. But he

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made it, he may look good as far as like her

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movements and how she handles the gun and all kinds of other good

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stuff. And I, I, I have to commend him for that because

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I doubt a lot of it had to do with her. I mean, I had

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a talk with Bradley Greg, who's Philip

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in Nightmare 3, and Cody Culp from Class of 1999.

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I talked. Oh yeah, yeah, Cody, I remember that character.

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Yeah. And he was telling me that, you know, he, they had John Wayne's like

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stuntman, you know, working on that movie. And this is

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who in Steve McQueen stuntman who taught him how to handle the weapon.

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And that's the big first step for me is as long as they know

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how to handle the weapon. A lot of films can be

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handled, like watching Danny Bonaduce play the bass guitar of

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the Parsons family. Like he's not, he's just kind

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of like rocking it up and down. Not really do anything with it, you know.

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But yeah, she does it real good in this movie though. And I have to

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commend him for that. Yeah, I have to also give her some

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accolades because she didn't do the thing that most, you know,

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non weapon coordinated kind of people do

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with the weapons and they walk around with their finger on the trigger

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all the time. That bothers the shit out of me. Yeah, it's just like that's

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not proper gun safety. It's like at least like tell your actors that don't

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put your finger on the trigger until you're supposed to pull it.

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But one of the biggest mistakes that I, we talked about her hair earlier and

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the raven wig that she wears in this movie where she takes it

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off, she has like this big poodle mess, blonde hairdo and

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like. Yeah, you should have kept the wig on, darling. It kind of takes away

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the illusion that like you're this Joan Jet badass now. You look kind

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of sad a little bit, you know. Oh yeah, that's definitely a Joan Jet wig

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man. Yeah. But yeah,

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I, I like the whole concept of this. Like she goes to Mexico,

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she finds her, her former partner Former, you know,

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team member that she thought was dead. He takes

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her, takes her into camp, like, huh, I got something here. You think she

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has it. But you know, the movie's about, only about a third of the.

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And so of course the double cross happens and

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I, I just love the reverse, the reverse effect in this movie

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because Brian Thompson is captured. I mean they're pulling his teeth

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out, doing all kind of nasty to him. Oh yeah, they're torturing the.

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Out of him. Usually in a movie like this, you know,

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it'd be the other way around. The woman, the woman gets kidnapped and

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you even thinking already writes,

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writes women pretty well though I will say as far as in these kind of

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movies. But it's a nice change for, for 80.

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For 87. You were. A lot of these action

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films are very male driven to have inexperienced

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Kathy shower, you know, kind of show them

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up a little bit, you know. Yeah, I think they

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reversals roles very well. Like I never thought about it

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until like halfway through it. I'm like, yeah, this is like a. Pretty much a

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role reversal for, you know, I mean especially. That's pretty progressive

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for 1987, man. Yeah. Plus of course

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you got great heavies. I mean when Sidhe comes on screen,

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he has some, some great lines in this movie too.

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And oh yeah, of course, just, just a towering,

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you know, presence. He didn't gotta say anything. He's like, he's like

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Franco Nero. He gotta say nothing. He just kind of stands there and you know,

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the whole thing with them literally up to it, it kind of lulls in

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the middle a little bit. For me. That's my, my guess, my biggest,

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you know, a bitch about the film. But you know, it does drag

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in the middle for it because it feels like all of a sudden in the

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middle they didn't know where they're gonna go with it. Yeah, but you know,

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that's, that's, that's problem with the writers for me. I mean, because of 4.1

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on IMDb that's not really fair to me. I, I'd say that's

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closer to a six if you ask me. But yeah, I give it a

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six. Maybe like a six and a half maybe, you know,

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I think. But yeah, a 4.1. You said that was on IMDb.

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Yeah, that's kind of, kind of because. Yeah, that's low

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balling. It does a lot of things for, for,

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for a low budget action here directed by

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Fred Olin Ray. I mean once you get past all the stuff

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with, you know, they throw a love Interest in there, which I think is really

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stupid with. With the Hispanic girl. Oh,

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Anita. Yeah. They just kind of throw that in there because she's

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the contact. And it really doesn't go anywhere, but it

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picks up, you know, in the grand. The great escape

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at the end. And I think that, you know, it just.

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Yeah, they were looking for something to fill that. Fill 85 minutes.

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And the middle part lacks, but the

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rest of it rocks, I'd say. Yeah, I mean, it's got a great first.

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First, you know, half an hour, and then it's got a,

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you know, the second half hour. Kind of like you said, it lulls a little

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bit, but then, like, it really picks up in that, you know,

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that final third. Yeah. Oh. Oh, here's the guy.

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Oh, that's it. No, that's the wrong guy. Never mind.

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One thing I liked about this film a lot was. And the next film,

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too is like the front rock score that they gave it.

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Oh, yeah. That real weird synth track that it's got.

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Yes. The synth mix with the guitars, it's working for me.

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It's not like a lot of other films I've seen where, you know, they have,

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like. He did,

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like, Casio keyboards. We did one a while ago called Wired to

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Kill. Me and Ricky Morgan did a short time doing crippled theater.

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And it was just like. Somebody got a Casio keyboard

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from fucking Radio Shack and said, I'm gonna make a music score.

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And then they put it in the movie and, you know.

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Yeah, it's. It's a notch above that. It's not much

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above that, but it's a notch above. I would totally rock this soundtrack if I

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had it on CD or something, I would fuck Rocket. Oh, yeah. Oh,

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yeah. I think, though. I gotta say, though, when you were mentioning

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a few minutes ago about Sid Haig chewing up the scenery and having the best

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lines. I love the line he has in the opening scene with Brian Thompson and

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Tayne McClure when he's just like. Like, where they said something

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to the effect of like, oh, is this homegrown? You know, is this. You know,

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I don't know anybody that has cocaine, you know,

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local to the area. He's like, what am I supposed to do, man? Advertisement Advertise

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it. Cocaine five miles out.

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Said it only the way that said, hey, can. Oh, yeah.

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Dressed like a fucking extra from Miami Vice, he was, man.

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Oh, yeah. With the. With the lapels and everything. Just looking. He's looking

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fly, I gotta say. It's like he. He kept his wardrobe

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from which. Which Pancreas. Was he in. Was he in

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Coffee? Was that the one he was in? I thought it was

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Foxy Brown, but it might have been Coffee. One of those. He had a

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suit like. Just like that. It's almost like he kept his wardrobe.

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He brought it to set. It's like, this is what I'm gonna wear today,

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you know? Would you tell that man no?

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I. I tell that man no. When he. To what? He used to take my

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phone and call random people and them. Yeah, I never told him that. No way.

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That either. But, you know, again, I'm having. I'm having Sid Hay memories

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here. You know, they're good memories. I missed that man.

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Actually, I looked it up while we were talking. It was Foxy Brown.

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Okay. I know it's one of those two. I just couldn't recall. They kind of.

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Actually, no, I scrolled even further back. He's in Coffee as well.

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Oh. So it could have been either one, man. I wasn't going crazy.

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Yeah, he's wearing a suit just. Just like

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that, though. Like the blue lapels and stuff. And. Yeah, it's.

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It's like, hey, dude, I got my own wardrobe covered.

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God damn it. You know? Oh, my gosh.

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But, yeah, this is a ton of fun. I'm sorry. Go, Cameron.

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I was just. I was just gonna say almost the exact same thing. This movie

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is shit. Ton of fun. I mean, it's action packed. It does lull in

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the middle a little bit. But if you can't get behind William Smith

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and Sid Haig together as heavies in this and Brian Thompson,

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I mean, with everybody that's in. If you can't get behind this movie, I.

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I don't know that we can be friends, man. You know, I would tell

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somebody that, like, what you didn't find Commando Squad, like, I wouldn't.

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I wouldn't say is like, you know, the John Wick of action movies or anything,

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but it's fucking fun. It's a good way to spend less than 90 minutes.

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And William Smith dressed like he's getting ready to go on a Hawaiian vacation

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throughout the whole movie, trying to pretend that he's not doing his best.

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Vernon Wells, I mean, that's. He's great as that

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heavy Morgan because, you know, like I said, I went

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into this blind. I hadn't. I hadn't watched it before,

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but I, you know, I like the twist that, you know, he was,

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you know, a DEA agent that went, you know, went rogue and went

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bad. I kind of like that idea. You know, it's I

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wouldn't say it was that different for the time because they were definitely kind of

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riffing on, you know, the Vernon

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Wells slash commando movie a little bit. That is what

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they're doing wholesale right there.

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Yeah. Minus the chain veil. But the mustache is

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intact, you know. Oh yeah, the mustache is there.

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And. And when you got William Smith is, is your like main

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heavy, you know, you're gonna have a good time. Oh yeah. Because you

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do the whole thing where they think all the guys are dead, they're presumed dead,

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and all of a sudden, hey, they're alive, you know,

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I. Love how they just, they dispatch. How they dispatch

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William Smith at the end with that knife, what was

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it? Sulfuric acid or whatever the hell it was. Did she stab him in the

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dick or she stabbed. I can't tell because they really don't show like the

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penetration obviously. But obviously downstairs

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is where he meets his end, you know. Yeah. If it's

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not in the junk is very. It's junk adjacent.

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One of my favorite parts about this movie is like, again,

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I think Brian Thompson escapes. Escapes his captors a

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good two or three times. And the one time he escapes them,

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he like has like bimbo moments to where he has

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a handgun. He dispatches the guy with the machine gun,

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doesn't go back for the bigger gun, tries to steal the motorcycle.

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The motorcycle falls over. He can't pick it up, of course. I mean,

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it's almost like again he's. He's like the damsel under stress.

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He can't do anything. So it's almost like,

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yeah, he's weak. I guess maybe he's weak from being in prison all

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this time. That's what I took it as. I took it

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like he's been, he's been being chased, he's been beat up, he's been shot at,

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he's been had the shit tortured out of him, like.

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And he's been tied up for fucking days. I. I just kind of took it

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as like he just, you know, he was just running out of gas and.

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But you know, he's not the hero of the movie. You know, that's Kathy

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Showers character cat. She's definitely. Because he even

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says, he's like, oh, when he tells. When William Smith has that

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kind of father to son moment. Brian Thompson even says that, he's like,

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why are you having this talk with me? He's wait a minute. He's like,

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they suck cat on you, didn't they? And he just kind of laughs at him.

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He's like, oh, one of those like you were in so much trouble, dude.

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You know, and like. Because she's the badass of this movie.

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Yeah. And that again, that's a nice switch.

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And it's not something that happened back in these days.

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I gotta give him. I gotta give him the love he deserves, you know?

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To Fred and good old Dookie Flyswatter.

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I wouldn't ever call him Michael Sonier. Never. His name

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is Dookie Fly Swatter. Okay. You know, I mean,

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you know, hey, he's. He's my boy, man. And like. But between Nightmare

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Sisters and Sortie Babes and Slime Ball Bolarama, you know,

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man, that dude's the man. I actually still have a

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cup. A copy of his album on audio

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cassette. Not. Not on cd, not even on vinyl. He had

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a band called Haunted Garage. Yeah. And it was just

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a bunch of punk, you know, kind of weird cramp style punk rock.

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But if you're. If you're so inclined to look it up, you can find that

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some of the songs on YouTube is highly worth. They have songs.

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They have songs in Nightmare Sisters and they have songs.

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And in Cyclone. They perform live in Cyclone.

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You know, spoilers for that review. But the band performs live

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in Cyclone. Oh, nice. Yeah.

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So looking forward to that. You get some Haunted Garage action in the

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next movie for sure. But as far as actually

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this. This is a fine action and you could do

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a lot worse. Biggest,

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you know, thing I could toss in the garbage is there's too

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much gender monologue with Cat. In my opinion. It just.

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There's too much going on. Yeah, it's not.

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What was that movie called with Duda Cough? Me and Me Lee did it for

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Be part of the Cannon. Was it river of Death or something? It was called.

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Yeah, river of Death with the old duty. Yeah,

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Dude Cough. The whole whole time was doing the inner monologue,

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you know? Oh, yeah, that inner monologue,

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it sounded like something that was from another movie.

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Like they had filmed like a film noir and they just like

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half the, like, half the time I understood why they were using it, but other

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times it would just be like her infiltrating the. The area.

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Like all the money they had and they. They set. You know,

450
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they. They set up this shitty little camp and. Oh, my God,

451
00:27:58,658 --> 00:28:02,450
I was just like. It was so monotone. Like, as an actor,

452
00:28:02,610 --> 00:28:06,098
she was really good. She did a decent job as an action

453
00:28:06,154 --> 00:28:09,874
actor, but doing voiceover work and monologue

454
00:28:09,922 --> 00:28:13,170
was just not. It's not her forte, man. Yeah.

455
00:28:13,250 --> 00:28:16,614
Yeah, that's. That's really the only thing. Bad thing I

456
00:28:16,622 --> 00:28:19,462
have to say about her is that the inner monologue was terrible. But that was

457
00:28:19,486 --> 00:28:22,822
a director and writer decision. Not so much her

458
00:28:22,846 --> 00:28:26,742
decision, obviously, but it wasn't, it wasn't necessary. It's kind

459
00:28:26,766 --> 00:28:30,054
of like. It's kind of like, you know, and I'm not the biggest

460
00:28:30,102 --> 00:28:33,654
Blade Runner fan. But I was thinking the same thing.

461
00:28:33,742 --> 00:28:37,254
That sounds really stupid there too. I'll say about that.

462
00:28:37,342 --> 00:28:40,822
Yeah, yeah, I would be totally. For like this movie would

463
00:28:40,846 --> 00:28:44,280
go up to. From a 6 to 7 if you could give

464
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,672
me a non monologue cut. Yeah, give us

465
00:28:47,696 --> 00:28:50,872
the. Which I, I can see this one, you know, and I

466
00:28:50,896 --> 00:28:54,696
really haven't surprised that more Freddle and Ray jams haven't reached

467
00:28:54,728 --> 00:28:58,520
like a Vinegar Syndrome or Severin release because this

468
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,992
would be a fun one. And, and a lot of these guys are still with

469
00:29:02,016 --> 00:29:05,544
us. Of course. I'm sure if they tried real hard, they could throw a stone

470
00:29:05,592 --> 00:29:09,176
and get a Kathy shower to do. Do something, something. And Brian

471
00:29:09,208 --> 00:29:12,994
Thompson do something, you know. Oh yeah. Is William Smith

472
00:29:13,042 --> 00:29:16,386
gone now? Where. Look right now and I'll tell you. Yeah, he passed

473
00:29:16,418 --> 00:29:19,746
away like four or five years ago, I think. 20, 21.

474
00:29:19,818 --> 00:29:23,394
Yeah. Yeah, this would be a fun release today. They grabbed this because the,

475
00:29:23,482 --> 00:29:26,626
the version I watched was like a VHS rip,

476
00:29:26,658 --> 00:29:29,586
unfortunately. And. Same, same. Yeah,

477
00:29:29,618 --> 00:29:33,378
the dark spots were dark and you know, the fuzzy spots were

478
00:29:33,434 --> 00:29:37,426
real fuzzy. Yeah, the sound was exceptionally

479
00:29:37,458 --> 00:29:40,852
good. I would give it that though. Yeah, it was exceptionally good

480
00:29:40,956 --> 00:29:44,404
and I, I just need more. I need a better version of this and I

481
00:29:44,492 --> 00:29:48,040
think I would enjoy it even more and. But we'll,

482
00:29:48,620 --> 00:29:51,680
we'll leave it with this. Anything else you want to say about it, Cam,

483
00:29:52,060 --> 00:29:55,812
before we head out? Yeah. To the people at Severin

484
00:29:55,876 --> 00:29:59,892
and the people of Vinegar Syndrome or Arrow. Get off your asses and do

485
00:29:59,916 --> 00:30:03,460
a release of this. The. The elements have got to be there.

486
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:07,090
Just contact Fred Olan Ray. Hell, I mean

487
00:30:08,350 --> 00:30:11,926
it needs a dvd. It needs least a, you know, a Blu

488
00:30:11,958 --> 00:30:15,494
Ray or I would even dare say a 4k because I

489
00:30:15,502 --> 00:30:18,646
would love to see a good version of this. And if we could only get

490
00:30:18,718 --> 00:30:22,518
the. I'm gonna say the, the non monologue

491
00:30:22,534 --> 00:30:24,290
cut, I would give that a 7.

492
00:30:27,310 --> 00:30:30,550
The only other thing that I would say that would make this movie better would

493
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:34,346
have been a bookend with Robert Quarry's character at the end. I feel like they,

494
00:30:34,478 --> 00:30:37,810
you know, they, they used him pretty much. You know,

495
00:30:37,850 --> 00:30:40,610
they look like they had him for a day or two. I could have done

496
00:30:40,650 --> 00:30:44,114
with another. I could have done with another five minutes of him Arguing with the

497
00:30:44,122 --> 00:30:47,458
Chinese takeout guys on the phone. That was,

498
00:30:47,514 --> 00:30:51,186
that was great stuff. But, yeah, great movie.

499
00:30:51,298 --> 00:30:54,642
Wonderful first time watch. I mean, everybody in it is,

500
00:30:54,746 --> 00:30:58,626
is, you know, working their asses off. You know, you show up for William Smith,

501
00:30:58,658 --> 00:31:02,210
but you stay for Sid Haig, is what I, I got to say about that.

502
00:31:02,250 --> 00:31:05,708
Sid Haig is the mvp. But, but then again, Sid Haig is always

503
00:31:05,764 --> 00:31:09,360
the MVP whenever you put him on camera.

504
00:31:09,860 --> 00:31:13,036
And, you know, and like you said, I miss that man immensely.

505
00:31:13,068 --> 00:31:15,564
You know, every time I saw him at a Horror Hound or Days of the

506
00:31:15,572 --> 00:31:19,452
Dead or whatever convention, he was somebody that was always larger than

507
00:31:19,476 --> 00:31:22,396
life and such a genuinely nice person. I miss him.

508
00:31:22,468 --> 00:31:26,028
But to think that we still have movies like this,

509
00:31:26,164 --> 00:31:29,612
that at least for me and for you, Gary, that we

510
00:31:29,636 --> 00:31:32,892
haven't seen yet, because we're just going to say that the amount of films out

511
00:31:32,916 --> 00:31:35,976
there are almost infinite because there's so many of these movies that we, we haven't

512
00:31:36,008 --> 00:31:39,592
seen. And I, you know, I, I appreciate this

513
00:31:39,616 --> 00:31:42,744
movie for the, you know, giving that to us. Like I

514
00:31:42,752 --> 00:31:46,040
said, it's a great time. It's a fun watch. You want, if you want

515
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,168
something not like a Fast and the furious movie that's 2 hours and 45

516
00:31:50,224 --> 00:31:53,000
minutes long, you want something that's a CRISP, you know,

517
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,520
85 minutes, you know, the won't, you know, kill you on your.

518
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,820
Your evening, watch this movie, man. It's badass.

519
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,986
You know, you think that, you know, when they put the rock

520
00:32:04,018 --> 00:32:07,282
in on the back of the Pontiac Fiero, I would have strayed me

521
00:32:07,306 --> 00:32:10,578
away from the Fast and the Furious series. They literally went into space

522
00:32:10,634 --> 00:32:14,178
with this car. But it didn't. Yeah, I stuck around for,

523
00:32:14,234 --> 00:32:17,522
for, for Jason Mo as just like gay lion. I was all

524
00:32:17,546 --> 00:32:20,930
for it, man. You know, I liked it. I liked it. But I'm just saying,

525
00:32:21,050 --> 00:32:25,042
you could watch this movie twice in the time. You could watch one

526
00:32:25,066 --> 00:32:28,896
Fast and Furious movie, you know. Yes, indeed. At least one and a half times.

527
00:32:29,058 --> 00:32:32,820
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, yeah, this is totally service play. I've seen

528
00:32:32,860 --> 00:32:35,716
tons worse than this movie. Again,

529
00:32:35,788 --> 00:32:39,556
Kathy Shower. She really gets an MVP

530
00:32:39,668 --> 00:32:42,836
for a lot of this film because she is inexperienced as

531
00:32:42,908 --> 00:32:45,476
an actress and as an action person.

532
00:32:45,628 --> 00:32:49,300
But I had to look up the stunt coordinator real

533
00:32:49,340 --> 00:32:52,212
fast. I lost the dang thing already as it is.

534
00:32:52,316 --> 00:32:55,972
But look right now and tell you who dang. Make up the

535
00:32:55,996 --> 00:32:58,920
problem. Make up the problem. Sound effect, stunts,

536
00:32:59,340 --> 00:33:01,240
stunt coordinator.

537
00:33:02,300 --> 00:33:05,204
Oh, it doesn't show it. Oh,

538
00:33:05,252 --> 00:33:08,660
well. But whoever was that who taught her how to handle stuff and

539
00:33:08,700 --> 00:33:12,628
handle herself and the Guns and the action made

540
00:33:12,684 --> 00:33:16,164
her look really good on screen. Not just as a female presence,

541
00:33:16,212 --> 00:33:19,860
but as an action presence. And I got to give it

542
00:33:19,980 --> 00:33:23,580
flowers for that, man. It's just. It's just fun

543
00:33:23,700 --> 00:33:26,716
for that reason that she took on this role, you know,

544
00:33:26,868 --> 00:33:30,268
and. Yeah, because it was supposed to be civil danning, what I read.

545
00:33:30,404 --> 00:33:34,188
And then there was some sort of weird falling out or there's a weird

546
00:33:34,284 --> 00:33:37,276
thing that happened between her and Fred Owen Ray. And I like civil danning,

547
00:33:37,308 --> 00:33:40,332
but I think Kathy Shower did a fucking great job.

548
00:33:40,436 --> 00:33:43,468
I have no problem with her casting in this. I would take either one.

549
00:33:43,524 --> 00:33:47,100
I would take either one. But, yeah, aces, man. This is fun.

550
00:33:47,220 --> 00:33:50,976
It just needs to be. Be more. Be more available to people,

551
00:33:51,128 --> 00:33:54,688
in my opinion. And I never knew Dookie

552
00:33:54,704 --> 00:33:58,160
Fly Squatter could write an action movie, but now I could say he can.

553
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:02,160
So there's that, you know, and add. That to his resume. And also doing

554
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,320
the voice of the imp. Voice of the imp. And you know, Omar the

555
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,264
swami from the beginning of Nightmare Sisters.

556
00:34:09,312 --> 00:34:12,720
And that man's got like

557
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,180
the biggest lips on a white man I've ever seen in my life.

558
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,750
Bigger than Steven Tyler. Okay. Is all I'm saying.

559
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,402
But yeah, we'll leave it at that. If you guys got the gumption,

560
00:34:23,466 --> 00:34:27,002
go check out Cameron's show, the Cinema Degeneration

561
00:34:27,066 --> 00:34:31,178
podcast. I just listened to a banging episode of the Grindhouse

562
00:34:31,194 --> 00:34:34,682
Pizzeria where you did 1984. Yeah, that was

563
00:34:34,706 --> 00:34:38,570
a fun one, Class. I tell you before. I'm sorry. But yeah,

564
00:34:38,650 --> 00:34:42,202
it's. It's always a good time over on that show. And if you guys are

565
00:34:42,226 --> 00:34:45,882
feeling nasty, go. Go subscribe to the butcher shop too. If you guys listen here,

566
00:34:45,906 --> 00:34:49,546
you guys are subscribed already. And the after Movie Diner

567
00:34:49,578 --> 00:34:53,706
with John Cross. You can hear the other half of the in the Parade Way

568
00:34:53,858 --> 00:34:57,110
shows there having a good time with him doing those.

569
00:34:57,410 --> 00:35:00,522
Talking about one auteur, Michael Perret. But on the next

570
00:35:00,546 --> 00:35:04,314
episode of this, we're going to talk about what a tour. Fred Olin

571
00:35:04,362 --> 00:35:08,282
Ray once again. And we're gonna go with Heather Thomas.

572
00:35:08,426 --> 00:35:11,722
We're gonna go with Martin Landau. We're gonna go

573
00:35:11,746 --> 00:35:15,818
with. Who else is in that? Oh, Jeffrey Combs. I saw

574
00:35:15,954 --> 00:35:20,148
Combs. He's in that movie for a short time. No spoilers yet

575
00:35:20,284 --> 00:35:24,548
about a supercharged motorcycle that he invents that apparently

576
00:35:24,724 --> 00:35:28,292
has lasers and makes girls with big boobs. And a

577
00:35:28,316 --> 00:35:32,340
scientist, apparently, because we'll talk about that later too. But this is the

578
00:35:32,380 --> 00:35:35,640
actioneer again, the Cyclone,

579
00:35:36,140 --> 00:35:39,236
I think, from the same year or right around the same year.

580
00:35:39,388 --> 00:35:42,452
But, yeah, it's a lot of fun. And we'll. We'll talk about

581
00:35:42,476 --> 00:35:46,200
that in the next episode of the Burnt Ends.

582
00:35:46,540 --> 00:35:50,164
But this has been civic podcast Burnt Ends,

583
00:35:50,212 --> 00:35:53,316
where if you got beef, we've got the grinder.

584
00:35:53,508 --> 00:35:56,388
Have a good evening. Adios, folks. Yes,

585
00:35:56,404 --> 00:35:57,660
Cyclone is stupid fun.