What is going on guys and welcome back to the process of becoming my name is Dino.
This is Josh and we have a very, special episode today.
Josh, why do we have a special episode today?
Guys, we've been talking for a long time about creating a podcast.
We finally started a podcast and we kicked back and forth around to the idea of doing
some guests.
And today we actually have not only our first guest, but also our first and second
guest, two guests on today's show.
It's going to be pretty amazing.
Two people that are very near and dear to my heart.
and that have been with me on their journey of mindset for a very long time.
So we have none other than Jenna Garitas and Liz Hochsteller with us today.
They actually have their own podcast as well, which we will fully allow them to
plug because it is an amazing podcast, but we're going to pick their brains today and
give you a little bit of the inside scoop on where they've come through this entire
process of the things that we teach you guys all the time.
So Jenna and Liz, welcome.
Thank you.
Hello.
It's if we're excited because we're actually together right now.
We live across the country from each other.
I'm in Indiana and she's in Colorado.
And last week I just kind of like last minute booked a trip out to see her and
we're like, here we go.
So it's pretty cool.
Yeah.
So we're here.
It is well, it's 7 a .m.
our time now.
So it's not bad.
It's not too bad.
But we got up early for you
the accomplishment that you just did over the weekend with Liz out there.
Which is pretty badass by the way.
Yeah.
So I live in Flatland, Indiana.
So I told Liz, Hey, we should hike a mountain.
I was like, we should hike a mountain when I go out there.
She's like, okay.
So we just looked one up yesterday.
We started at what six in the morning.
We started like six.
Um, we hiked to the top of gray's peak, which is 14 ,270 something.
I don't know.
Um, but it was, it
It was hard, I'm not gonna lie.
But it was really, really cool to not only do that and experience that, accomplish
that, but do it with your best friend.
Like that was pretty special.
It was cool.
It was very cool.
And I've lived out here for 16 years.
And this was only the second time that I've hiked a 14er.
And so I needed that push.
But the first one I did, I was obviously 16 years younger.
And I was like, this is gonna be a breeze.
Like I remember it being so much easier.
And so we went into it with
the idea that it was going to be just like nothing.
Well, we were laughing on the way back down because we were like, thank God we
were so ignorant to the fact that of like how hard it was actually going to be
because like the first probably 75 % of it, we're like, oh, this isn't bad at all.
Like the views are beautiful.
I mean, I'm out of breath a little bit, but not terrible.
And then the last like 25 % of the way was like straight up and we were dying.
So yeah, very challenging.
But like you said, it was very special to do
together and very rewarding at the top.
was gorgeous.
How long was it as hard going back down?
Cause I know walking downhill sucked.
downhill was way easier.
We got up in about three, three and a half hours and we got down in two.
So it was way easier to come back down.
My knees don't love going up, going up and hurt your lungs coming down and hurt your
knees.
Yeah.
I have some pretty good sized blisters on the black of my heels also, but it's fine.
Which is what I heard about the whole way.
She said it's fine.
is like no worries.
How many snack breaks did you guys have to take?
my gosh.
It's like I literally planned this hike around the food.
I'm like, okay, first break I'm going to have my bar.
Second break, we did like three.
She's like, I'll make you a sandwich.
I'm like, Liz, I'm going to need two sandwiches.
I need two.
And I one sandwich on the way to the mountain, like in the car at 5 a .m.
Yeah, I was like nervous.
I was nervous I wasn't gonna have enough food at the top of the mountain, but we
survived.
We made it.
We did great.
So.
That's I'm proud of you guys.
That's a big deal.
Yeah, that's huge.
And like when it comes like physical challenge stuff, that's not really
something I aspire to do.
I'm like, I don't like everybody hears all about climbing mountains.
I'm like, no, I'm good.
I've had bad experiences at altitude.
So I'm pretty good.
I'm set.
I was worried.
Honestly, I was worried about the altitude and I always complain about the altitude
whenever I come out here, but I did really well.
But that last 25%, like I was saying, I was getting really lightheaded.
We had to take quite a few breaks going up to very, top.
I struggled too, and I'm out here.
I live out here.
Yeah.
So it's not just you.
It wasn't.
I was not being a baby.
It's really bizarre to me like how that whole thing works from like, obviously
particles and like I study all that kind of stuff, but like this how there's less
oxygen the higher you go.
It's really crazy.
And the other thing I saw you guys had like varying outfits on through your trip.
So it gets way colder.
So I noticed.
hot, then the wind would blow, it would get cold, and then just my hands would be
cold.
So I'd just be like wearing gloves and like a tank top and like… It was probably…
It was cold at the top.
40s.
Maybe like in the 30s at the top.
Yeah, it was really cold at the top.
Snow, mountain goats.
Mountain goats.
it's cool to see you guys together and it's cool to see you guys doing hard
things together.
apologize to make you wake up so early on a Saturday to do the show.
Been through there already, but.
gonna put it on a recording that you owe me a coffee because I woke my ass up super
early because
now.
is official.
It is official.
It's all good.
I'll send you one right now.
Starbucks delivery.
Get on.
Well, it's in the middle of the country so they don't even actually have it.
I've tried to do a Dasher stuff before.
Yikes.
Hey, I'm good over here.
I know I'm a class in the middle of nowhere.
She's like, I don't want to run all the way home.
I'm like, Liz, you live seven minutes from fucking everything.
So like, you have no idea how good you have
Try to live a day in my life.
It's so funny.
But guys, I love it.
One of the guys listening out there, like one of the big reasons why I wanted to
have these two on the show.
I've been planning it for a while and really the truth is is Dino and I are just
working through getting foundation laid but also figuring out all the
technological things to be able to do this and make sure that it hits the way we want
it to.
But I've personally known Jenna Liz, what is it now three years give or take?
I don't even know anymore.
about three years that I've been working with them hand in hand as a mentor for
them as they develop their businesses and brands.
And you guys already know one of my big things is mindset.
So that's, I've been pouring that a lot into them and I won't take sole credit for
it, but it's been, it's been cool to be able to pass it to them and then watch
them flourish and do the things that they do.
They've changed hundreds and hundreds of lives together, you know, separately, but
also thousands of lives together through fitness and health and these things.
But their, their brand has now become mindset and teaching other people how
to think because it's such a foundational thing for success in life in any regard.
And I'm very, proud of seeing them become who they have become and continue on that
process of becoming.
So today we're going to dive into their stories a little bit.
like, want you, I want it to be as real and raw as you guys want it to be.
You know, this journey that we're all on, I think you're going to find a lot of
relatability with these two because they are both moms.
both live similar lives, but also different lives.
They struggle with certain things that are in common and other things that are not.
And their journeys have been certainly
not standard by any stretch.
we're gonna dive into it and Dino is the great question asker.
So he's gonna be pegging you guys with some good questions and we'll just kind of
rock and roll.
So from here on out, it's gonna be mostly you guys talking, you good with that?
Yeah, let's go.
I got excited because you already know all the background, but Dino doesn't really so
like, yeah, ask all the questions.
pumped.
Yep.
Gonna be good.
So, first thing that I want to kind of dive into is the identity piece, right?
So we've been talking a lot about identity and like, just to kind of give you a
little background is like this.
Most people that live their life, they wrap their identity around all this shit
that keeps them complacent.
They keep, they keep some where they're at.
and they absorb that and they, they start thinking that, this is just who I am.
I'm never going to change that limited mindset.
Do you guys talk about it your podcast a lot?
so start at the beginning of like your journey, like where your identity was and
really what you like foundational things that you did to switch that identity.
Or, and if there's a specific moment when you knew that it shifted, kind of talk
about that a little bit as well.
Yeah, you can go first.
have, mean, similar, but like you said,
going to be solved of all kinds of questions if you haven't picked that up,
you're going to have to think a little
but very different stories like where we started you go ahead.
Yeah.
So I was like super into fitness for years.
I coached CrossFit for 10 plus years.
I've got three kids and after my third baby.
He was a COVID baby.
So I found myself like, I wasn't coaching anymore.
had gained like, through that pregnancy, I gained like 5560 pounds.
I don't even know.
I wasn't coaching.
I wasn't working anymore.
I used to work for an oral surgeon.
My whole life was just completely turned upside down.
After I had him, I fell really, really deep into postpartum depression.
I was this new stay at home mom when I didn't want to be necessarily at that
time.
I was just really, really struggling.
It's funny because ironically, that super low point in my life was when I met Josh.
Josh comes in and he's like,
I know.
I'm at this low spot where I have this very, very fixed mindset of like, this is
just how life is supposed to be.
Like I'm not meant to be one of those people who are successful.
like I really truly had it in my head that like certain people were just born to be
successful and they got dealt certain hands, like certain cards in life.
And I just didn't get that.
Like I truly believed it.
And then here comes this dude and he's like, why?
Like, why do you believe that?
You know, and he was probably the first person to ever challenge my thinking on
And I was kind of like, wait, hold on this per like somebody actually believes that I
can do more than what I'm currently doing.
You know?
And so like, honestly, just that little spark of belief opened my mind to be like,
wait, what if it is possible?
Like, what if I truly can become a better version of myself?
Like what, you know?
And so little by little, I started from there and just like that little teeny tiny
spark of belief was just enough to keep me going to continue to be
okay, I can do this.
Okay, I'm starting to do better things.
I'm starting to feel better about myself.
Like I'm starting to grow like bigger things are happening and like slowly
throughout that process.
I it's not definitely not overnight.
It's like slowly but surely you just start to grow into this person because you start
to have a little bit more self belief every day as you continue to.
I don't know, again, believe that you can become a better version of yourself.
So I don't, I don't
And now you get to pour that into and now I get to pour that into other people.
So it's like, mean, it's been a long three years that's been battling through.
mean, I was battling through postpartum depression that first year pretty heavy.
a lot, I mean, it wasn't perfect by any means.
Like I had a lot of still self doubt that I worked through, but it was literally one
person pouring a tiny bit of belief into me for me to challenge my thinking, to
open my mind, to be like, wait, wait, hold
You think it's possible for me to do better than this life that I am living?
know, like I could actually be successful.
and so that, mean, I can honestly remember that turning point in my life of just how
important belief is in pouring that into other people.
think, mean, that's like for me, that's health and fitness has changed my life so
much.
And that's why, like you were saying, like, now you get to pour that into other
people and,
That's why I love what I get to do.
I'll back like backing up.
I started as an elementary school teacher, so I graduated college, became an
elementary school teacher.
That just kind of came easy to me, but I've always loved being active.
I've always loved fitness.
I was a yoga instructor, started to get really passionate with fitness through
that and helping people, you know, just be more active.
So that's never been an issue.
But
I think for me, it has always been that like that self -limiting belief.
So teaching just came easy.
Had my two babies and then decided to stay home with them full time.
And one year postpartum got back into teaching classes, fitness classes, and
then started my journey.
Like I would say that's when I finally started my health and fitness journey and
like started.
lifting weights and like just doing harder things.
And like, that's when it started.
I was like, okay, wow, I can actually do things like this.
Had people asking me what I was doing.
I was able to start helping them, you know, with their journey.
I've always had this like, like teaching just came easy to me.
So it was never, you know, I was never doing things that actually were hard or
challenging.
But then I think it honestly, it was starting to get into lifting weights and
doing hard things and challenging myself and realizing that like, wow, okay, I can
do, I can do hard shit.
And that helped me grow as a person mentally.
And then like I said, people were asking what I was doing.
I was able to start helping them.
And that was just the coolest thing ever.
So being able to pour what I've learned on my journey into other people has just been
incredible.
But yeah, I mean, same with Jenna.
Josh has helped a ton with that mindset because that's always been
Okay, I'm, you know, at first I'm a stay at home mom.
This is just, this is, this is just what I'm going to do.
This is just what I meant to do is just be mom.
And then through fitness and you know, prioritizing my health that like lit a
spark.
And that was like something else that I had that was so much more than just, you
know, I'm just mom prior to starting my health and fitness journey was not in a
great place with, you know, mentally, but also like physically drinking a lot of
alcohol,
feeding myself crap all the time.
And you you just, you set that standard for yourself and it's like, okay, this is
just where I'm at.
But then have slowly grown into the person that I am today through literally through
just health and fitness.
And it's been, it's been a great journey.
So that's where I'm at
Dude, that's incredible.
The one thing that I kind of just like listening to both you guys talk about
this.
Did you guys both kind of have this idea that you're always meant for something
more that there was something more, but it almost just took someone to kind of
validate that for you guys in a way.
And then it became Josh, right?
Like, he almost kind of gave you that like, hey, yeah, you can go do this.
You're like, wait, what the fuck?
Someone just confirmed the thing that I've been thinking about this whole fucking
time.
You guys think that played a big role in
absolutely.
Like I always felt, I've always felt like something was missing.
Like I've always felt like out of place, like something's not right.
Like I don't feel like I'm in alignment with what I'm supposed to be doing.
There's just always been like an off vibe, I guess.
But I never knew what it was.
I never had a freaking clue what it was.
I knew that I loved helping people.
Like I said, I used to coach CrossFit.
That brought me so much joy.
And so when like I got out of doing that just because of like the whole COVID
thing, and then I ended up, obviously I was a mom of three young kids.
Like I just couldn't get to coaching classes anymore.
So I was feeling really down, which is how I ended up joining, and getting involved
with first form.
Cause I'm like, man, if I could help people online, this would be cool.
But even at the time I was like, this would be a cool side job.
Like maybe I wouldn't ever have to go back to work, whatever.
And then Josh comes in and he's like, dude, do you have any idea of what you're
actually capable of?
you know, and he's like, start pulling this belief into me and he totally changes
my perspective on like, holy crap.
Like I could actually help people change their lives.
Like that is probably the greatest thing that you could ever accomplish in this
lifetime is helping somebody else change their life and live a better life.
so once I, poured that belief and I started kind of going down that path and
actually believing that for myself and seeing that, okay, doing
fulfills me.
This fills that void that I've been feeling for years and years and years.
It's like I'd finally found it and it just took somebody kind of pouring belief into
me and maybe I was like a lost puppy dog really at first.
And it's like, I didn't know which way to go.
didn't know anything.
So it's almost like somebody helping me kind of shift which direction I needed to
head.
It's like, okay, let's go this way now.
I'm like, okay, we found it.
And so then once I found it, locked it in, now I just
grown.
The amount that I've grown personally over the last three years is astronomical.
I think about who I am three years ago, or who I was three years ago.
If you'd asked me what I was doing three years ago today, it would not be on a
podcast talking about mindset.
That's for damn sure.
Or climbing a mountain.
Or climbing a mountain for that Or I'm out on a plane and randomly coming to visit
your friend.
We were at the pool yesterday and we were looking at each other we're like, this is
so cool that
Like we're literally like we're working, but we're able to just help people from
anywhere be able to take time and go do like climb a mountain, come back down and
get back to helping people, you know, from our computers.
Yeah.
But like, I in a nutshell, to answer your question, yes, I absolutely always
believed like there was something more for me.
I just didn't know what it was.
I didn't know how to find it and I didn't know how to get it.
You know what I mean?
I think for me, I used to, I used to always look
other people's lives or like, you know, where they were at in their fitness or
their life, their success in life.
And I would be like, that's just, that's not meant for me.
You know, I'd look at them and like, I could never do that.
And that is something that Josh has helped me realize is like, they're no different
than you, you know, like those people have done it, that's proof that you can do it.
And so that is something that I try to help my people understand, because that's
been huge, a huge shift for me is
that person has done it, there's no reason why you cannot be in that place or you
cannot get to that point in your life or in your fitness journey that you want to
be.
And so that has been a huge shift.
like, Jenna, it's always, I've loved, I mean, I was a teacher, I've loved helping
people, I've loved teaching people things.
And so that's kind of what I brought into my coaching is just being able to, I mean,
obviously help and teach different things when it comes to their health and fitness
journeys.
but it's always been a passion and fitness has always been a passion.
So to be able to bring those two things together, I mean, like I said, was like
this thing that was missing where I just thought, just mom.
And there's nothing wrong with being mom, but it was like, I'm just mom, this is all
I have.
And so to be able to have this where I can help people change their lives, like
health and fitness has changed mine, it's just amazing.
Yes, there was always something.
I knew there was always something.
And to be able to have found it is, I don't know, it's just very surreal.
So that belief through action that you guys found turned into, I mean, honestly,
we'll call it what it is.
Leading by example, other people saw that like, holy crap, this person has like an
energy I need to be attached to and learn from.
So you guys poured into other people, which created your identity and led to
more belief, right?
So my question is, and I know this answer, but.
Do you just have an astronomical amount of belief all the time now that you've poured
belief in others and that you're kicking butt and taking names in life?
And because the answer is no, what do you do to reset yourself back on that belief
train?
Like give us some practical stuff like, when like shit hits fan, cause you guys
are human.
Like you guys still struggle all the time, but like when you're struggling through
those things, like what do you do to recenter yourself and get back to like,
all right, this is who I am.
This is my identity, not that old person, because we all go back to that.
I mean, for me, it's pushing myself like we did yesterday.
It's pushing myself to get uncomfortable doing hard stuff because then, like
yesterday, like halfway up the mountain, I'm sitting here like, I can't do it.
Like I was literally holding myself back and if Jenna was not there, I probably
would have turned back around.
You know, it was like, I need to do hard things and consistently get uncomfortable
and remind myself that, okay, you can do this.
You can do hard shit.
Cause that is a hundred percent what has helped build belief in me.
in myself.
mean, self -development books, really finding good ones and committing to that,
reading and pouring into myself every single day.
Podcasts, listening to different podcasts.
I think for me, I mean, because I am a freaking roller coaster when it comes to
No.
Not me.
Not you.
Never would've heard you say that.
I'm just gonna take a guess that you kind of are a roach.
You see that gray patch over there?
That gray patch is from Jenna.
okay, got it.
Because of that.
There's a lot of great patches, Jenna, just so you know.
here's the deal.
I am probably one of the most emotional people on the planet.
However, I have done a very good job at not acting on my emotions all the time.
But I do well at making decisions from like a sound mind versus emotions.
Like, it's just a whole journey that I've been on.
But anyway, I find that like when I start getting in my head really bad with my
emotions, because they creep up and they like,
attack you from behind.
I'll be on the top of my game.
And then all of a sudden, I find myself at the very bottom again overnight.
I find that it helps for me personally to take some time to really detach from
what's going on and almost like take a step back.
Like I have to take a step back and look at everything in an overview.
Like, you know, and I have to just think about the big picture.
And I'm like, okay, I have all this self doubt that's creeping in.
But what have I accomplished?
What have I done to
for me to think that I'm not good enough to do this or that it that's making me
doubt that I'm not capable of doing more of helping people or accomplishing all
these things.
Like I have to think about how far I've actually come and all the things that I
have accomplished and to kind of shut up that voice in my head and be like, you
know, because that's, it's just your ego trying to like, trying to tear you down.
So I think if you can literally take a step
and detach from your ego and truly see that that's what's trying to pull you back
versus who you truly are and recognize those like two voices.
And then I even had a conversation after you guys's, which episode was that?
The one about the subconscious mind.
I talked to Josh about that quite a bit because I'm super, super into that.
And I think that like, you know, the ego and the subconscious mind and you're like
your true self, it's all very separate.
And I think once you can kind
identify who your true self is from your actual ego and recognize where that
subconscious mind tends to point you.
Once you're able to identify that, you can detach from it you can make better
decisions.
So that's, and you can get yourself kind of back on track.
So that's what's really helped me is being able to just kind of step back and
identify things that pull me back, if that kind of makes
that.
I because I think a lot of people whenever you're dealing with like emotions,
especially people hit this thing where it's like, No, I shouldn't have these.
I gotta stop this.
I gotta like no bad, bad, bad negative negative thoughts.
And I think that could be very much more harmful than it can be beneficial, right?
Because Jenna, some of you said is you took a step back.
And I think that's a big piece because sometimes that subconscious not sometimes
most of the time, it knows a lot more things that we assume.
And
a lot of those emotions that we feel there could be a reason for it, right?
But here's where humans I think mess up often is we, we interpret emotions how we
want to interpret them, right?
But when you're able to take a step back, you can kind of look at it from like a
third person point of view.
And it comes with a better decision making process, right?
Where a lot of people when you kind of kick it out, you don't really listen to
it.
And in my mind, I think you kind of have to right now I'm not saying sit in the
negativity or anything of that nature.
But when you hear it, it's like, hey, why is it there?
Because hey, could be the alignment piece, right?
Both of you guys have that feeling of like, something is off, right?
And if you didn't listen to that emotion, what happens?
You're like, nope, it's, this is just life.
This is what I gotta do.
Both of you would not be here today.
Like that is just the truth.
So like when I hear those emotions and a lot of the people that are listening to
this, I think this is so important because that feeling that you have where it's
like, I meant for something more, listen to that, right?
Like take a step out, listen to it, understand where it's coming from.
But understand that it's trying to tell you something bigger and it's not trying
to harm you.
And I think that's where a lot of people lose sight of things where both of you
guys have found the balance of that I would say and now balance doesn't mean
5050 right but it's you guys are able to detach from that and look at it from
essentially a third person point of view without removing demotion.
I hope that makes sense.
Yeah, and I think that as you're saying that,
No, I like that.
I like that.
Go ahead.
No, because when you're saying like, when I had that feeling of like, I'm truly
meant for more, whatever that at the time, which I didn't realize back then, that was
my true self.
That was my spirit saying like, no, you are meant for more.
But here we are.
Like my ego is getting in the way of making me stay comfortable, making me stay
complacent, making me say like, no, this is just the hand that I'm dealt in life.
This is what you're supposed to be doing.
but you always have that pull.
Like that is your true self trying to speak to you.
So when you can literally step back and differentiate that and be like, okay, why
am I having that feeling?
Where's that coming from?
Whatever.
And then when you have emotions in the mix, you are able to identify, okay, I'm
feeling resentment.
I'm feeling jealousy.
I'm feeling all these other things.
You're feeling them for a reason.
So what's the reason you're feeling them?
You can trace that back to identify what's actually, what actually needs to be fixed,
what needs to be addressed versus just
rolling along with the emotions and acting on them.
Because I literally read this this morning in the book that I'm reading.
says, emotions, they are flowing.
They come and they go.
They never stay consistent day to day.
That's why they're called emotions, because they stay in motion.
They constantly flow through you.
Yes, I read that and I was like, I'm the most emotional person ever.
So like this just like, so it's just a roller coaster.
Like I said, I've been able to acknowledge that.
I know that I'm an emotional person.
I know that I feel things much deeper than other people do, but I'm able to recognize
it and I'm able to like not act on that because I know it's an emotion and I know
that there is a reason for me feeling the emotion.
Then I have to trace it back.
Why am I feeling the emotion?
You know, it's that's been something that's been huge that I've developed over
the last probably year, six months to a year.
that I've been really diving hard into because I have recognized that I am just a
highly sensitive person.
And so it's been something I've had to really work on, but be able to detach that
emotion from what I truly want, listen to my true self and make decisions based off
of that, not my emotions.
I like that.
Why?
I like that.
Okay.
Why am I feeling this way?
Why am I having this emotion?
Because I think that is
Okay, why am I feeling anxious?
It's probably because to be honest with myself, it's because I'm not taking action
on the thing that I know I need to be doing, right?
I'm sitting here, but figuring out what is it that I need to be doing?
Why am I feeling jealousy?
it's because that person is doing the thing that I know I should be doing or
that person actually went and took action.
And I'm looking at them thinking, you know, poor me, they have this life that I
wish I could have.
Well, they went and took action.
take a step back, like you said, why am I feeling this way?
It's a tough pill to swallow, but it's because we're not doing the thing or for
me, it's because I'm not doing the thing that I know I should be doing.
mean, that's the thing.
Nothing exists outside of yourself.
So when you can literally take full responsibility, full ownership of
literally everything, every emotion that you feel has to do with yourself, not
other people and not other situations, not, you
other people casting their limiting beliefs on you, all of those things, all
has to do with yourself and you are in 100 % control of all of it.
I think that was also a huge turning point in my growth was realizing that because I
used to play the victim hard, like hard.
I mean, up until about three years ago, once I realized what I was actually doing,
because I didn't realize I was doing it until somebody pointed it out, probably
you, Josh.
And I was like, wait, hold on.
And then I recognized that I was playing the victim all the
and that nothing exists outside of me.
Nothing can, I am in control of everything in my life.
How I, and if I'm not in control of an actual situation, I'm in control of how I
react to situations and how I interpret situations and how they affect me
emotionally and how they affect me, you know, in my mindset on things, on my
perspective, all of it.
And I'm in control of that.
So that was a huge turning point for me was accepting that and realizing it.
And then once you accept it and realize it, then you can,
take control and start taking action towards the life that you actually want to
I want to kick in here because I know there's probably people listening there.
Like they don't quite understand the depth of what you just said there.
And just to kind of tie it to the things that Dino and I've discussed is number one
is being intentional.
So you have to stop down, you have to detach and understand like, okay, I do get
to decide how I feel, what I think, all these things.
Okay.
The, the idea that we talk about all the time is you get to reattach whatever
meaning you want to something.
or attach a new meaning to something, right?
So somebody listening to the podcast right now might be thinking, well, you know, I
am how I am because of the way I was raised.
Cool.
Well, you get to attach whatever meaning you want to how that has affected you, not
only then, but also moving forward from here on
So it's like, because you were raised the way that you were, does not mean that you
have to continue being that person.
It's an intentional decision and understanding to your point, Jenna, is
that there are two places thoughts come from.
It's either your thought or it's another thought that somebody gave you that you've
interpreted the wrong way are now running with.
That's what Jenna means when like there is no such thing as anything outside
yourself.
Like you are in control of all of this.
It's understanding that okay, just because my dad told me that I wasn't gonna achieve
this or that or the other thing cool Well, he did he said those things I get to
interpret what that means for me and a lot of people internalize that and play the
victim card to your point and will use that to keep themselves complacent or from
ever achieving something
So it's like, if you're listening to this right now and you're thinking those
thoughts, it's like you're sitting here listening to two people, four people,
quite honestly, that have all been in that boat, but have just decided to reattach a
different meaning to it and take control and ownership of no, like that doesn't
affect who I am now or moving forward.
I can attach whatever meaning I want to those things, the emotions, all that
stuff.
I'm in complete control of
Some days you're in more control, some days you're not in as much control, but
it's about re -centering and detaching to the point of the question I asked you guys
earlier is like, what do you do and what do you actually, how do you re -center
those things moving forward?
And everybody has their own way of doing it.
But it's understanding, number one, that you're in control of it.
No one else is in control of it.
You might get a thought from somebody else because they've told you something about
you, but you get to interpret what that thought means to you and how it affects
you.
Point blank, like 100 % ownership.
There is no excuses for it.
It's like, cool.
And if you're hearing this for the first time, you're hearing it and take control,
take ownership and understand that five books that you've read last, this is funny
part about what you guys said is like, I have reading self development books.
That's how I recenter or I get around my friends that push me to be a little bit
better.
Your life is going to always be the sum of the last five books you read and the
people you spend the most time with, period.
Right?
Because guess what?
If other people do influence your emotion and your thought, why would you not be
around people that influence that in a positive way?
For sure.
think too, what's really cool is like, once you finally realize how much you
truly are in control of, there is this moment, I'm not going to lie, there was a
moment of panic and I'm like, holy shit, I am in control of my life and the outcome.
I don't, I don't get to blame anybody else.
So once you make that realization, it's like, you can't go back.
So you realize that everything is in your hands.
But at the same time, once I got over that fear of it, I was like, holy shit, this is
powerful.
How freaking powerful that you have absolute control over your entire life and
how you interpret everything.
Like the power that you have in your hands and the power that I wish people
understood that they actually had is astronomical.
I, that's what I want more than anything is to help people actually realize how
much power they actually have over their lives.
Because again, like you can, I have truly believed that I, cause I used to play that
victim card, like, I,
was raised X, Y, and Z.
All this stuff happened to me, whatever, like poor me.
I'm not going to do great things.
Now I'm like, okay, all of those things, everything that I have ever been through
has been placed in my life for me to learn through so that I can continue to grow and
turn around and help somebody else in that situation, 110%.
So any kind of like storm that I'm going through in life, any tough time, whatever,
I'm like, bring it
I mean, a little bit because I'm like, kind of sucks.
But at the same time, I'm like, I know why I'm going through it.
So it helps me get through it with a better mindset, with a more positive
mindset and with more of a urgency to learn through it so that I can help
somebody else because I know that there's meaning to it.
And I know that there's a reason why I'm going through it.
I know you guys talk about energy a lot and that goes with it too.
It's like if you're playing
victim card and you're saying, poor me, and you're focusing on harping on all of
that negative energy or the negativity that's going on in your life, you're going
to continue to draw that.
You're going to continue to draw those people into your life.
And that's been a big shift for me too, is like just constantly focusing on the
positive things that are around me and surrounding myself with positive people.
And that's been huge, is it's continued to bring more positivity into my life.
for anyone listening to this that like, like I said earlier, it's a tough pill to
swallow when you stop and realize like, okay, I have control, but also like you
are in the situation that you're in because of the energy that you continue to
put out.
So shift that, know, start focusing on all the good that you have in your life.
And if you don't have good people in your life, start surrounding yourself with more
positive.
Well, that's the thing though.
Once you start shifting your energy to being more positive and start raising your
standards and you raise your frequency to match other people in your life, which is
how this happened right here.
Liz and I literally have only known each other for like a year and a half.
And we literally laugh because I'm like, I feel like I've known you my whole life.
You would never know that it's not even been two years since we literally met on a
Zoom call and we were like,
You've got kids, you're into fitness, we should be friends.
Okay.
And then we're best friends.
Like that's literally how it happened.
So, I mean, but we wouldn't have like manifested each other into our lives had
we not been on that same energy frequency of sure living better, being on that same
vibration.
And so I, get, mean, especially since we've been out here this weekend, like
everything we've been posting on social media, I can't tell you the amount of
messages people just say, I love your friendship.
I wish I had that.
I wish I had that kind of friendship.
I'm like, I don't take a second of it for granted, but at the same time, feel like
I've earned it.
Yeah.
By growing into this version of myself, I've earned God placing this amazing human
being in my life.
And now we just build each other up constantly.
We're very, very similar, but we're also kind of opposite.
We challenge each other in great ways.
I don't know how to explain it.
One of you likes to talk a lot and the other one doesn't.
Yeah
What else did you guys expect from John?
and she has a lot of emotion though.
Yeah, true.
It's
That's a good balance though.
There's a question I want to ask you guys.
Huh?
my God.
hairs.
Josh not be okay.
Even more gray hairs.
my God, I think you might have to quit at that point.
I don't know.
There's a question I want to ask you guys because, know, obviously with your guys'
friendship and just how it all happened and how it all started, there's so much
beauty to it, right?
But before you guys got to that beauty, I assume there's also people in your life
that you kind of let go or separated or things fell off.
And I want to touch on that point because when you raise your frequency,
it's not just all smooth sailing from there.
Or at least it doesn't seem that way at first.
But there's there's reasons things happen, right.
And I kind of want to ask you guys, like, whenever you were shifting your frequency
and energy, the people in your life that weren't feeding you, was that starting to
kind of separate?
Did you kind of see more of that?
Did you see people just kind of step away from your life?
That you're like, Damn, I thought we were really good friends.
But it's like, holy shit, what happened?
I hope that kind of makes sense, you know, but like with you guys going towards your,
know, raising your own frequency, having that positive mindset, did you see to lose
certain things that maybe at the time seemed like, damn, but then obviously now
it's like, holy shit, this all happened for a
Yeah, there's, this is actually something that my, I feel like my clients struggle a
lot with because once they start working to become a better version of themselves,
they struggle because they're like, you I don't, I don't connect with the people
that I used to anymore.
And I will say that like, you start to create the separation and you can almost
feel like you're doing something wrong because there is this very awkward stage
in the middle where you're separating from people that you used to connect with, but
now you're not vibrationally energy wise.
You're not with them anymore.
So now you're in the middle in this kind of like very, very lonely spot where you
almost feel like you don't have any friends.
You don't feel like you have anybody that connects with you and or understands you
or like knows why you are wanting to become better.
Like they don't get it.
So there definitely was a period of loneliness.
And then, and I tell my people that too, I'm like, that's normal.
And it doesn't mean that you're doing anything wrong.
But as you continue to grow, you will attract more people into your life who
match
who get you, who want to be, or who you want to be around, who make you better,
all of the things.
So like, yes, absolutely.
There is that point where again, you second guess yourself because you're like,
they're living this way and they're making me feel like I shouldn't be living this
way.
They making me feel like I'm an outsider.
They making me feel like I'm acting like I'm too good to be around them.
And so again, it makes you question your self belief and like you doubt yourself.
You doubt the journey that you're on.
always.
I mean, I could give examples of like, and it's just like your health and fitness
journey.
There's going to be so many.
Call them out.
Say their names.
I know.
mean, like, yeah, I think we did on a podcast.
My husband's like, dude, are you not worried that these people are going to
listen to this and hear everything you just shared?
No, but it's like a It's going to ebb and flow.
You're going to be in different relationships and you're going to lose
some and gain some.
And and that's what it was.
It was like I was in a point where I thought I was in a great, a great place.
you know, mindset wise, and really, I wasn't because I was attracting so many
negative people.
And this was literally two years ago, before I met Jenna.
And I just, I mean, I just made that decision.
I'm like, I can't, I cannot surround myself with these people anymore.
And literally, a few months later, I saw her, I saw Jenna on a call, she was with a
call with Josh.
And I was like, I need that energy in my life.
And like it did, I reached out to Josh, I was
send her this message.
like, tell Jenna.
Well, we have to address this because Josh gets salty when we don't include him in
the birth of our friendship.
Just because you're on my podcast does not mean you need to give me credit because
you haven't until this point.
to give you for it all because Liz didn't have my number.
I wasn't on Zoom call.
I was at HQ with Josh and she was like, hey, tell Jenna that that was a great
call, blah, blah.
And he showed me the video, gave me her number.
So I reached out and then it was like, I mean, from there, we were texting like we
were best friends immediately.
It was crazy.
Yeah.
So
It's just kind of funny, but like that's the thing is you start to feel that
loneliness.
You start to feel like you're doing something wrong, but I can promise you
that like it's, it's what you gain from it at the end is so much sweeter than
anything that you're leaving behind.
It's, you just have to
is an element of faith there, right?
Because you guys, I'm just gonna call it what it is.
You guys have a blessing of being in an ecosystem where there are good and better
people to be interacting with, right?
You're kind of forced into that just by nature of your relationship with First
Form and how we operate.
But there's people out there that, like to Jenna's point, like that lonely part of
the journey, it's like, know, and you feel you're being pulled in this direction.
But every single day you're interacting with people or you're around people.
But at the same time, you don't really even know what's possible in terms of how
good things can be.
And something that we oftentimes say here at First Form is like, you have to be
really comfortable with leaving good in order to achieve great.
And the problem is, is that most people, they just look at their life and they're
like, it's good enough.
Like I'm good.
Like I'm the most positive person in my workplace or, you know, I do, I don't
engage in those cooler conversations.
So I'm doing good.
No, you're not.
Like you have the ability to be so much more.
And the cool thing is to the point that these ladies are making,
is when you do that, like you are going to be attracted to the people.
And yeah, there is that lonely period where you're like, I'm not really sure if
what I'm doing is right.
Have that faith that when you get to where you're going and continue progressing
yourself, the right people will present themselves.
So there was a, there was actually a reason and you guys hit like the reason I
asked that question, you guys answered exactly in my mind what I thought you
would answer.
Like both of you, different answers, exactly what I needed.
And the reason I say this is because first off
When you're going through that period, you are going to feel like you are doing
something wrong.
Like you are right?
Because the people that have been with you 10, 15, 20 years, whatever now are the
people that you're like, dude, I'm different.
Like they're not hanging out with me.
They're it's, it's something's off.
Is it me?
Am I doing things wrong?
Am I crazy?
Like all every, all my other people are in this bubble.
They're hanging out.
They're going like it's me.
Right.
And I think you have to break that piece.
And it's so hard because it's almost
the part of you the memories all this other shit it's you got to cut that out.
So it almost feels like you're losing part of yourself.
But it's like I, I don't know if I've ever used this example on the podcast before
but and a lot of people might not know this but for a seed to sprout into a
plant, the seed has to break its shell completely.
Right.
So it's got to reinvent itself.
It's got to break.
And I think that's a huge piece to this journey is when you're cutting those
people or when you're moving into a different direction in life, you're going
to lose
part of yourself, so to say, or it's gonna feel that way.
But in reality, all you're doing is opening up space for more, right?
And that's a big, big piece of that, you know, into what Liz said is how a great
way to reflect on this is, hey, look at where you're at, right?
You think you're positive, you think you're doing this stuff, but then look at
the people you're around, right?
Because like Liz says, she was like, wait, I thought I was but then I still got the
same people like what the fuck?
I don't know if that's true.
And there's those two points right there where it's one, you got to reflect on
that, right?
Like,
Or am I actually as positive as I think I am?
Hey, am I moving in the direction that I think I am?
Because if not, those people in my life that I'm around more the time, are they
positive?
No, okay, that's me, right?
I got to switch.
Then also knowing when you make that switch, you got to cut off half of your
memory, your, you know, your fun times, your friends, and it's, it's, it's, it's a
tough journey, right?
So, again, I didn't even talk to you guys about this.
But those two things, I think are so big of pieces in
process of becoming something different or becoming the version of yourself that you
want to be is both of those.
So yeah, I just want to it just I just think it's cool.
I had goosebumps as you guys were talking because I was like, dude, that's crazy
that it aligned exactly to what I thought you guys would say, because I think that's
such a common thing that happens.
And you know, another thing I want to Yeah, go ahead, Jenna.
Okay, no, sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you, but okay.
Stop laughing at me.
that they're like I don't mean to interrupt but I'm going to interrupt
talking.
Okay.
Liz and I both just read the same book.
Okay.
It's called Worthy by Jamie Kern Lima.
I know what you're going to say.
Anyway, there's this part in the book where it talks about how obviously a
caterpillar turns into a butterfly.
And she's like, everybody knows the story.
Caterpillar turns into a butterfly.
Life is good, whatever.
But she's like, people don't know like actually what happens.
So when a caterpillar, I'm about to blow your mind.
When a caterpillar turns into a butterfly, when it goes into its cocoon, it actually
completely liquefies.
So it's not anything.
It's completely liquid.
So in that process, it's not a caterpillar, it's not a butterfly, it's
just straight up liquid.
So when it comes out of the cocoon, it starts to emerge from the cocoon, but its
wings are wet.
So it still can't even fly when it comes out of the cocoon.
And then, what was it, 2 %?
Only 2 % of butterflies actually emerge from the cocoon and are like successful
butterflies.
And so that fall down because a lot of them will try to fly when their wings are
still wet.
They think that their failures, all the things, right?
So she made this analogy of like, obviously caterpillars are not going to
understand the butterfly because they don't know that they can be that great.
They don't know what they're capable of, but in order to become the butterfly, they
have to go through this period of unknown where they're completely liquid.
And even coming out of that, they're doubting themselves because their wings
are wet and whatever before they can actually truly
And that hit hard because I was like, my gosh, that's just that in between spot
where people think that they're doing something wrong.
They think that, you know, they're not on the right path or doubting themselves,
whatever, but they don't know how truly great that they can be.
And they can't relate with the caterpillar anymore because the caterpillar doesn't
understand the butterfly.
So I thought that tied in very well.
were just talking about that.
Yes.
take it.
I might take it deep here.
All right, we're going deep.
Let's go.
So guys, want one thing I want you to understand this is probably gonna be too
deep for some of you to understand.
So I'm gonna try to dumb it down a little bit.
Not to say that you you just haven't progressed along this journey from an
energy and study standpoint to truly get this for this is class level 100 is what
he's trying to say.
What I want to dive into here and we don't need to go down this path, but it's
important to notice important to mention because that is an amazing example.
The same exact order.
right?
The same exact energy, the same exact call it divine intervention, or the same exact
intentionality of the universe that creates that caterpillar liquefies that
turns it into a butterfly and then gives that butterfly the chance and the free
will to understand like, Hey, if I just give it a couple of days, I'll be able to
fly and live my life as a beautiful butterfly versus the ones that try to
force it is the exact same power of intention that we are created
that we literally have the ability to tap into on a day to day basis is why we talk
about visualization, manifestation, positive affirmations.
Like to Janet's point earlier, you have no idea how powerful you are.
The same intention that freaking creates gravity, whatever, all these different
things that the universal laws operate off of is the same exact power that we have
the ability to tap into every freaking day, right?
Literally, like we have no idea what we are capable of from a standpoint of if we
can tap into that, truly understand it and get the hell out of our own way.
and just let these laws go into effect and just tap into it like a river and just
jump in and ride it.
Your life can be so much better than it than it ever could have imagined.
Right.
Even for us, like the journey that we're all on, we're so different than where we
were a couple of years ago, but we still have any, we're like at a half of a
percent of what we're even capable of.
Right.
So the whole idea there, I know I went deep on that, but to give you some
actionable stuff is this get out of your own way and understand that visualization
and manifesting you're already doing
Right?
So many people that I meet are like, I struggle with manifesting visualizing.
No, you don't.
You're already visualizing.
You do it every freaking day.
It's just that you're not doing it by intent.
You're literally just living your life and letting life, the river, so to speak,
direct you where you're going.
And it's the wrong river.
Get on the river of like, no, I'm in control of this.
I'm no longer going to let my past decisions or my emotions or experiences
dictate where I'm going.
I'm going to jump in.
I'm going to tap into the universal power that exists.
And I'm going to just
be the guy that controls that and moves my life forward intentionally.
I want to I want to hit on something you said here's a here's an example.
And actually, it's so funny.
I heard this last night.
I'm not gonna most likely butcher the exact way this guy put it because he
talked for like two minutes.
I'm not gonna like you know what mean?
That's two minutes long.
I'm not gonna do that.
All right.
But here's the example.
And he goes through and he talks about like, if you have ants, right, you look at
an ant.
And then let's say you grab a piece of food or a cookie, whatever you drop it,
you know, five feet away from
To that ant, it smells the cookie, but that cookie to the ant is in the future,
right?
To us, when we look at it, it's in the present.
We see both.
And what he talked about is if you look at God in the same logic, okay?
So let's look at the universe, God, whatever.
For us, we smell the future, right?
We think about the future, but God has this view where he can see it, and to him,
it's still the present.
He's like, dude, it's right there.
You just gotta keep going.
But to us, we're like, my God, we gotta wait for this moment.
We gotta wait for it until we get this, until we get this.
Dude, it's actually happening right now.
We just think it's in the future.
And to what Josh is saying is, oftentimes we think that we don't have the thing now.
Like we gotta go out and get it.
And when we get it now, it's moving.
It's like, no, dude, it's moving now, but it's what you think and what you do that
gets you there closer.
It's already there.
And like to that perspective, it's like God sees the plan.
It's there for us.
We don't see it yet.
And we just got to trust that we got to believe and we got to have that positive
mindset.
So just something I heard yesterday, I was like, Holy fuck, this is awesome.
You guys stop fighting.
So to add on to that, something I just thought about, and this, wanted to say
this a little bit earlier, when you guys were talking about like your journey, and
we talked about it all the time is like, I think a big thing that holds a lot of
people back from achieving the life or detaching from the old life and the
friends and all these things is that you don't know where you're going, right?
You don't you don't have like a point that you're aiming for like a North Star.
And when you don't, when you fail to influence your own decisions and
directions, you're going to be influenced by other people, right?
So by not knowing what you want and where you're going, you're always going to be
influenced by what other people want and what they're doing.
Right?
A simple example of that is like, if you go to a restaurant, like you get there and
now you're super indecisive because you're like, I don't know, the menu looks great.
I love all these photos or this sounds really good.
You don't know what you want.
So you're in that moment of indecision and complacency in that moment, right?
Versus if
know exactly what you're going to get when you get there and then the waitress starts
reading off the menu to you.
You're like, nah, I'm good.
I already know what I want.
I know exactly what I'm getting, right?
It's just that decision of this is what I'm doing.
This is where I'm going, right?
So an example that I want to tell a little story is like, all right, you're in a
hallway.
Okay.
There's a very long hallway.
Your goal is to get to the other end of the hallway.
Okay.
Now if there's a chair in the middle of that hallway, it's a chair, right?
In one example, if you know exactly what you're doing and you want to get to the
end of that hallway, all that chair becomes is an obstacle for you.
But in reality, what that chair actually is, is a place to stop and rest.
It's the purpose of a chair is to sit and relax.
And if you don't know where you're going, you're going to see that chair and you're
like, cool, a place to sit.
And you're going to sit there.
And that's what most people do with their life because they simply don't know where
they're aiming.
Right?
You tie in what you guys have talked about.
If you don't let go of those people behind you or the past experiences, the emotions,
all these things that are holding you back, that chair becomes a place to stop
and sit.
And it might be at the beginning of that hallway.
It might be a third of the way down.
It might be halfway or three quarters.
You're never going to reach the end of the hallway because you weren't aiming for it.
Right?
So it's just the intentionality and understanding this.
And again, getting out of your own way and being pulled to your point earlier of
like, Hey, I felt like I was pulled in that direction.
Listen to it.
Right.
And then take the actionable things that we've talked about on our podcast, the
things you guys talk about your podcast and allow that to pull you knowing through
faith that, Hey, all I gotta do is keep going.
That chair is an obstacle.
There's going to be more of them.
It's not a place to stop.
not a place to sit because you have a direction of where you're going and you're
not going to stop until you get there.
love it.
Question for you, spinning this a little bit.
We talk a lot about visualization and manifestation on this podcast.
So have you guys always visualized?
What has your experience been with that?
No.
for this.
Dive into your experience with visualization.
That's one of the things that probably the biggest feedback that I get on the show,
because we talked about it, people really truly want to step into it.
And I know it's not a perfect journey.
So just tell your true experience with it and how you guys do it.
But like what's been your experience with visualization and the shutting everything
down and just finding that piece?
And what do you struggle with still?
then one thing that I would like to know is also what's one of the scenarios you
guys visualize?
Like your favorite one or your one that you do often?
okay.
So visualization for me has helped because like I said, I always have struggled with
that self belief, that self limiting belief.
And so when I am able to take some time and actually visualize my best self, my
best version, like what I picture as my best self, that helps me actually believe
that is possible.
So that's been huge.
I know I never, probably, didn't visualize until, I mean, probably a year and a half,
two years ago, Josh introduced like a guided visualization to me that was on
YouTube.
And I needed that.
Like it was, talked me through like what you should be doing, closing down your
eyes and literally the things that you should be kind of thinking through.
And I needed that to start.
So that was a really helpful tool.
And then that like led me to actually see my best version of myself because like you
said, like, we're good.
Like we get to a point where we feel like we're good, but we can be so much greater.
Like that has helped me believe in where I see myself.
So I don't know.
Was that that was that was your question, like how we started, how we started
visualizing.
Yeah.
And what do you visualize now?
Like what's your go -to visualization?
I visual I mean I visualize like some material things where I see myself where
we're living I mean like in detail the house I have it on my vision board the
house The area the land around it.
I visualize my kids riding four -wheelers around I have two boys I have an eight
-year -old 11 year old like to the detail myself my gym at the at the house like it
is
I always visualize myself parking my car in the garage, going through like the door
I go in, the sounds.
It's, it's, that's what I constantly go
What color is the door handle from the garage to the house?
hey, that's a good one.
It is black.
It's the long handle, so it's not a knob.
A white door.
Like, I can even hear the echo when I walk into the house.
The TV's on above the fireplace.
Like, I can hear the echo.
I'm coming into the kitchen, putting groceries down.
So mine's a little different.
I have struggled with visualization from day one.
Like Josh has been trying to help me with this for three years now.
I wouldn't say that I visualize very well.
However, I think I get into my head that I should be visualizing material things.
I ever since I started doing this from day one, I've never ever been able to
visualize a single
material item ever because I, it doesn't drive me.
don't, I don't have anything in my head material wise that I don't know.
I can't connect with that.
However, I visualize my best self and I visualize experiences and opportunities is
what I experienced or is what I visualize.
So that's been huge for me.
Just visualizing who I
And I'm not even going to say who I want to be because that's the act of
visualization is you become that.
Like that's what you are is like, that's why you visualize.
So you can visualize yourself as that.
And you can show up as that person.
Like that day, like you don't have to wait.
You don't have to wait for it to manifest in your life.
You don't have to wait for it to come to you because you are that person.
So that's really where I spend my time visualizing
my best self, how, what's my energy, how do I act, what kind of decisions do I
make, like what kind of person am I, what kind of a friend am I, like all of those
things.
That's what I do.
I visualize also opportunities, a lot of things with my business and my people, my
people succeeding.
That's what I visualize.
I see everybody that I work with, I see their potential and I visualize that
success for them.
So that's kind of my experience.
with it.
I don't know.
I want to talk about that because you said visualizing the things that you do to
become that, like becoming that best self, that best version of yourself and like
what does that person do?
I think that's really helpful too when visualizing is like, okay, this is where I
see myself, but what are the things that I need to do to get there?
Like what acting as if, like what are the things that that person does?
So like back when I was starting my health and fitness journey and I saw, you know,
that person
that my visualization has changed, you know, over the years.
And so I saw that I was looking more at like a physical standpoint of like what
that person looks like.
And what does that person do?
Well, that person goes to the gym when they don't feel like going, you know, like
they show up and they go and they get their workout in when they don't feel like
doing it.
What is that, you know, visualizing my best self as a mom?
What does that mom do?
What you know, what does she do with her kids?
So that's been part of the visualization.
visualization process.
And you made me think of that when you were talking about how you visualize is
what does that person do and acting as if and showing up as if you are already that
person.
Well, that's the thing though.
It's, that's the whole acting as if like you are that person.
That's the thing.
That person already exists and all you have to do is show up as that person.
Like that's been the probably my biggest takeaway from it all is it's like you kind
of like what you were talking about, like the future doesn't exist.
Like
it's there's no space between now and then there's nothing you have to wait for.
There's nothing that's going to happen between now and the future because because
time flows through us.
Like it's just, you already are that person.
So visualizing that like connects your energy with the person that you want to
be.
So you literally show up as that person.
You are vibrating as that person.
Like I don't, I don't know how to talk about it.
I don't know how to, it makes sense in my head.
So yeah.
No, we totally get it.
There's a question.
Yeah.
Well, here's a, here's the next question I want to ask that hopefully helps the
audience.
But how did you guys come up with who that better version of yourself is?
Like, how'd you guys find that?
Like, how did you get to that
mean, from a spiritual standpoint, you were saying like, God can see that that is
your path.
And like, you were asking us in the beginning, like you always had that
feeling of where you, of you were missing something.
Like to me, that was God reminding me that I was meant for more.
And so I think it's just been that, I don't know.
It's just been that feeling inside.
I think it has been a transfer
God reminding me of what I'm meant to be.
I don't know.
It's hard to say because I don't feel like I choose.
It's not like I choose these qualities that like, here this and this Nat like
that's going to be the perfect version of myself.
It's what aligns with me.
Like what is in your alignment?
What brings what when you picture it like your mind just goes there.
It's peaceful.
It's joyful.
It's it.
It connects with you like you feel like it.
It's it fits.
So you almost you have to.
Get yourself to a point where you are in like straight up meditation, where you're
not thinking about anything.
You know, when you are not active with your thoughts, like where do they go?
Like what do you, you know what I mean?
What comes to mind when you are not actively thinking?
I guess if that makes sense.
it's a great example that you guys gave with the caterpillar because it's it's
that right?
Your point was hey, when that there's that liquid process and it becomes a butterfly.
Well, the butterfly doesn't even recognize that the caterpillar was ever even a thing
anymore.
Like it was just spawned out of nothing to become the butterfly, so to speak.
Right?
Obviously, there's divine things happening there.
But it doesn't have like the past recollection of the caterpillar to be
like, man, you know, I used to crawl on the ground.
I remember those days like
It's gone.
And that's such a powerful thing of like truly becoming and manifesting and
visualizing is like you can't like the past doesn't exist.
Like that person.
And that was for me to answer your question is like, I had to recognize like,
right, like these are the situations that for me, it was a situational experience.
It was like, all right, well, in these situations in the past, these are the
things that I used to do and it didn't produce the outcome that I wanted.
So I can't repeat that.
Like if I'm going to repeat that, it's going to lead to more of those same
things.
So for me, I started visualizing like, all right,
what would what would have done in that situation if I wanted a future outcome
that was better, right?
Quote unquote future.
So I started realizing in the moment, it's like, all right, well, if I need to not be
that, then what's the opposite of that?
It's the whole contrast list that we talk about.
And again, if you don't know what you want or where you're going, sometimes you got
to understand what you don't want or don't where you don't want to go.
And then the opposite of that is true.
OK, everything in nature operates off of opposites, North Pole, South Pole,
positive, negative.
Right.
It's you know, we have positive electrons and
of things going on in the body and from a proton standpoint.
So everything from a standpoint of nature and order operates off of opposites and
it's no different for us.
So if you're somebody that's stuck in this rut of like, I don't really know where I
want to go.
Okay.
What don't you want?
Right.
Do the opposite and then manifest it and create that reality just by simply
quieting your mind and realizing, Hey, none of those old things are me anymore.
Like I get to decide right now who I am.
And then you move forward doing that.
And then you move forward and you get that opportunity to look back and be like, I
that for me, that's a driver is I look back at the old version of myself and I'm
like, I never, I wasn't a bad person, but I was very unfulfilled and very unhappy.
And I, I never want to go back to that.
So you need to get to that point where you can be able to, mean, not look back, but
look back enough to say, I never, I never want to go back to that.
I only want to move forward and only become better.
Yeah.
I think that was
That reminds me like that was a huge driver of me in the very beginning because
it's like when I like I was saying I was like a lost puppy dog.
Like I didn't know which direction I was going, but I knew that whatever I did, I
needed to get as far away from that version of myself as I possibly could.
Like I was at complete rock bottom at that point.
And so I was like, I don't know where I'm headed, but I, as long as I take a step
forward, it's going to move me farther away from that person.
So it's
That was my driver probably the whole entire first year because everything was
still very foggy.
I didn't know where I was going.
was like, yeah, I was getting self belief enough to make it to the next day to keep
moving forward.
But like it wasn't until, I mean, I'd made some decent progress and I'd started
making more changes was when I figured out the path and the direction where I truly
did want to go.
I mean, it took some time.
So it's not like I knew overnight.
It's not like it came to me immediately.
I just knew I didn't want to be that person anymore.
So.
I love that.
That was beautiful.
Um, question that we actually really didn't hit on too much.
But with the big life changes you guys have made and what you guys have done for
yourselves, right, like becoming the better version.
I mean, you guys literally just did a 14 or like fucking yesterday.
Like that's huge, right.
But what I really want to hit on is how do you guys do that?
And how did you find the strength to do that as parents, right?
Like, as moms
you know, where you have little, literally other life forms that are dependent on you
and what you do.
And then on top of the fact of like, okay, now I got to change myself for me, but
also for my kids.
And there's such a big pressure.
And there's so much that really, you know, like, for example, like I'm, I don't have
kids, right?
So I can go and be like, okay, I want to change my life.
I want to go do this and I have more time.
But how do you do that for someone who does have kids, right?
For someone who's maybe in the thick of it, but then they also have kids that
depend on like, how do you get through that, but still manage that piece of
This is something huge.
talk about a lot on our podcast just because - Mamas Rise Up is name of the
podcast, by the way.
Apple and
it.
hoping to get a YouTube channel.
So this is huge because I think there was a huge turning point.
I remember feeling that at beginning.
It's like, man, there's so much on my shoulders.
This is so heavy of trying to change myself and raise these little people.
But once I finally realized that by changing myself, was become ...
My kids deserve the best of everything.
Like I will, they deserve the absolute best.
So why would that not include the best version of myself?
Why would I give them a watered version of myself just because I feel like it's
selfish to pour into me?
When in reality you have to be selfish to become the best version of yourself so
that you can be selfless in raising them because you will be, they deserve the best
mom they could possibly ever get.
Again, so like by me being, I'm being selfish and not becoming that because I'm
like, once I made that connection, it made it so much easier and it made it all be
like, okay, this is all, this is for all of us.
This is for everybody that I'm working on myself.
Everybody is benefiting.
Even if I take an hour in the morning and it's okay if they sit on their screens
while I get a workout in, that's going to be a lot better than me showing up as this
watered down version of myself with no patience the rest of the day yelling at
everybody and
not being happy.
You know, like, what are they getting out of that?
They're seeing, they literally grow up with the examples that they see.
So if they're seeing a poor example from me, like they catch more than what you
say, like they catch what you do, not what you say.
So you have to be that example.
So by realizing that it made it a lot easier for me.
It wasn't so heavy.
You know, it wasn't so heavy to feel like everything.
was on my shoulders and it was like I had to do all of these things to change myself
to be a better mom.
It was like it all started flowing, I guess, if that made sense.
That's a huge mindset shift is that like, and I know a lot of parents struggle with
this, whatever you're doing to become better, what's holding you back is the
excuse.
Your kids are your excuse.
And instead you need to shift and let them be your reason for why you need to be
doing these things.
I'm guilty of it.
I've used them as my excuse of why I can't pour into this or why I can't do this.
And instead, and I know a lot of parents struggle with this and instead it's gotta
be no, they are my reason.
They have to be your reason why you are going to do this, whatever it is that
you're doing to become better.
So I think that's been my shift.
I love that because I think and obviously I'm not a parent, but what I have seen in
the past just from and you know, I knew you guys listened to the podcast here and
there but you know, growing up like I was almost like I was trained to be aware very
early on just because through all the things that we went through and not by
choice.
It's not like I had this magical power but I was just able to really see things and
try to interpret them as a young kid where normally you would kind of just like,
okay, whatever this is it.
But I remember just seeing a lot
parents use their kid as their like crutch.
And it's so tough because when I put myself in that kid's shoes, I'm like,
dude, you're putting all that like on this kid who hasn't even doesn't know life is
trying to go live his own dream.
And it's almost like you set this kid up for failure by using them as a crutch to
why you can't do what you do.
And then they become your you know, the thing that you hate because they're like,
my god, you're the reason I can't do this, can't do this, I can't do this.
Or they just become super dependent on the kid as
that's their only dream and goal, which I understand as a parent, right?
Like that's yours.
But when you do that, you take away something special from yourself, but also
from that kid, you know, the potential that they have.
And I think it's so important.
And I know it's something, Jenna, I see you're ready to say something.
Dennis fired up.
She's ready.
She's like, I know exactly where you're going.
see us.
They need to see us doing these things.
That's another reason.
They need to see you persevering and doing hard stuff and taking care of yourself.
They need to learn these things.
Well, maybe because how can we pour belief into them?
They can grow up to be whatever they want and do whatever they want and be strong
and all these things.
And they can turn around and be like, then why didn't you?
That's the biggest You never want your kid to say that.
Well, then why didn't you?
Yeah.
Why aren't you doing that?
you being so dependent on your kid, by you, like that's so selfish in my opinion.
You know, like it's so selfless to be able to let them grow, grow up, see you living
and becoming the best version of yourself, guiding them again, because they follow
the things that you do, not what you say.
So that is the most selfless way that you can raise your kid.
It's not selfish by any means.
So something that I was told by a mentor a very long time ago, and this gentleman,
was a mentor in regards to how he parented his kids.
was before he even had kids.
He me one time, he's like, you're not raising kids, you're raising adults.
Like you are raising them to be the adults that you want them to be.
And to the point I want to make is like, guys, the calling and the energy and the
pool that we have, children have it at such a higher degree, right?
Like there's been studies done where they test
from the age of like one to six years old.
And up until six, six and a half, like almost like a ridiculous, like 98, 99 % of
children test on a genius scale, right?
So like they're just ridiculously creative.
They're tapped into that energy field.
Like they're very much more energetically aware because that is innately who we are
and how we were created, right?
Well, after seven to 13, like that starts dipping down to like less than 1%.
And you wonder why.
And a lot of the studies done were like, hey, like it's pointing to the education
systems or being told to sit still in a classroom and, hey, don't think this is
what you need to remember to pass this test and the quiz and the pressure of that
and all these things.
So the idea is as parents, like it is our responsibility and obligation to help them
learn to tap into these things and not to teach your kids manifestation on all these
things, but to show them what is possible.
Right.
You go back to Dino and my story and your guys' story as well.
It's like we had that person in life that we saw that broke us out of that at
whatever age it was of like, holy shit, that's actually possible.
Right.
And how much more powerful is that for us as adults and parents and friends?
Because if you don't have kids, it's the same exact thing with your friend groups
and your circles, but to show them what's possible and to help them tap into it so
that they have a head start and they don't have to wait till they're 35 years old.
Like I did to start learning this stuff.
Right.
Like you think about that.
And then if you listen to the Terrence Howard podcast on Joe Rogan, he talks
about it with, he started doing this stuff with his baby when he was in his womb,
when he was in the womb.
Because he understood like, this is my responsibility to like lead this kid to
this field of energy and possibility.
I'd be doing the world of disservice if I didn't do that.
Right.
So, and you don't have to go as deep and crazy into it, but to Jenna's point, they
will catch way more than you ever teach.
What are they catching?
Right.
And it is your personal responsibility to live an intentional life.
You might have to be selfish before you can be selfless in this to be like, all
right, I got to get my shit right before I can start teaching to my kid and leading
that way.
Cool.
Do it.
Cut that time in half and just freaking get on a war path of being that for the
people around you because the world depends on it.
And to Andy's point, personal excellence is the ultimate rebellion.
Everything that's going on in the world right now, the only way to beat it is to
be the absolute best version of yourself and to help the people around you do the
same.
Well, I think that's too, I mean, it's a huge driver also for, mean, I like I've
said, I'm highly emotional, highly sensitive person.
and I've had to kind of figure that out, like just through my life, I've dealt with
that, learned about it, whatever, like it, especially this last year, I really dove
into how to manage life with it, I guess you could say.
but my daughter is a carbon copy of me and she's nine.
And so she is very emotional.
She is, and I can tell like already she's struggling with a lot of the things that I
used to struggle with growing up.
And so like a huge piece of why I am working on fixing myself is so that I can
learn and be able to teach her and help guide her through these things and work
with her through that.
because it's been years and years and years and years and years of me trying to
figure it out.
And it's like, if I can cut that in half for her, you know, and help guide her and
teach her how to take care of herself and manage the emotions and all the things,
you know, like, again, I believe that I go through all of the stuff so that I can
turn around and help other people with it.
Like, so that's, it's 100 % true with your kids as well.
Jenna, I want to give you a different view because you've said you're emotional a
couple of times.
I think there's a superpower with that, right?
I don't think that's a bad thing, you know, because how I look at it, I think
being fully void of emotion is also a bad and then also obviously like too much
emotion, you know, we can go back and forth.
There's an economy to everything.
But there's there's a good thing there too, right?
Because as emotions are, there's something guiding us there, you know, so even for
your daughter, it's
Maybe she's just hyper aware of everything.
And because of that, she's able to understand how people think.
And she maybe has a higher emotional intelligence, just like you that maybe you
just haven't fully like, solidified it, right?
Or like came up with this like, all right, cool.
I got it under control.
But I just want to switch that because I don't think that's a negative thing when
you say that.
And I don't think you think so
I agree.
Well, and honestly, I, that is something too, that I've really come to terms with
over the last couple of months, really.
it's just because for the longest time, I thought there was something wrong with me.
Like I thought that I was just not right.
Like I thought that there was mentally, I was like, wacko, whatever.
and I have finally just come to the, come to peace with the fact that like, that's
just who I am as a person and it's not a bad thing.
It's not, it's, I don't need to change
But I also need to learn how to not obviously make decisions based off of all
of these emotions and like learn how to navigate life and all the things.
But no, I appreciate you saying that because that's been big for me over the
last couple of months is I don't need to change who I am, but.
percent.
Because it's also like when you think about emotions, right?
Like, let's say like for even for example, I think I am very emotional, right?
But not in the sense of like, sad, angry or negative.
I'm actually very just I'm way happier than I'm just usually like full of joy,
right?
But that's an emotion, right?
Happiness is an emotion.
And so it's like, that's why I say that because, you know, someone who has strong
emotions or is emotional, it just means they can tap into those higher levels more
than other people.
right?
So it's just choosing what level you want to tap into.
Then I also think that like, being able to remove emotion is so powerful if you're
able to still be able to like plug it in what needed to write like, Liz, I know
you're like the, the like, hey, you can step out, right?
But it looks like and what from what I see is you know, when to plug in the emotion
when it's needed, right?
So it's, it's cool, because I just I say this, because there's never a right size
fits all or, you know, sometimes I think we look at things and we're like, this is
not something I like.
It's like, no, this is a superpower.
How can I use it?
You know, because even if you look at like, I don't know if you guys seen the
boys or you know, some of those superhero movies or stuff like that.
But I relate to that a lot because I look at those guys and I'm like, they don't
just harness that power, right?
There's a power there.
And if they don't control it, it can go bad.
Well, we all have that power, just it's different for everyone.
It's like how you harness it, again, could be your superpower and the way you use it,
right?
So I hope that all made sense.
But just something just throw out
that like, I just, I feel things very, very, very deeply.
Like it's just, and I again, but it is your super, it's your superpower for what
you do with helping people.
connect with my, I have connect with my clients deeper than, mean, it's, it's
incredible.
The bit like relationships I'm able to build with the people that I work with.
And I, I've learned that like, it's all for good reason, you know?
Yeah, I think like the gift you think about this with like the gifts that you
are given, right?
They're always going to be reflective of who you are as a human being, right?
So example is like, if you just fall into a bunch of money, if you're an evil
person, you're going to use that and just do stupid shit with it.
If you're a great person to the DDoS points, like one of his biggest dreams in
life is philanthropy.
It's like, man, just want to be able to give, right?
So it's always going to be bounced off of who you are.
And that's no different with emotions.
And it's understanding that if you are a very emotional person, well,
God bless you because one of the keys to manifesting the life you want is to tap
into that emotion.
So you just got to bounce it off of your point, Jen, earlier, your true self of
like, who am I actually, and not let those emotions turn into an anxiety situation
from an outside source.
Right?
And it's wild.
This is something that I I heard recently.
And I actually man, it really kind of rocked me a little bit.
But when you pray, there's two people listening to that prayer.
One of them is going to answer.
Right?
So the idea there is when you pray, God's listening and the devil's listening.
And one of them is always going to respond to it.
And I truly believe knowing what I know is that it comes down to where your energy is
when you say that prayer.
Right?
Like, are you praying because of a self -fulfilled prophecy or something along
those lines?
Or is it a prayer of like, no, like this is, this is a good thing, you know?
and that's like whatever.
And my personal belief is that there's both of those energies are floating out
there when you say that prayer, and it's whatever one you kind of tap into.
And as human beings, we are nothing more than a basic transducer, right?
We could get into the pineal gland and how all that works.
A lot of crazy science with that.
But the idea is, is you're always going to pick up whichever radio frequency you are
closest to.
which is the idea of Jenna, your emotion.
It's like, yes, it's a very positive thing.
You just got to be more in check than most human beings of like, all right, which
frequency am I on right now?
Is it a good frequency or a bad frequency?
Where is that thought coming from?
Is it my daughter is an external thought.
and it's just as simple as that.
And most people don't even understand that, like I'm in control of what
frequency and bandwidth I get on.
And they don't put it in the work to actually understand it and do it, which is
the whole idea of the visualization loop.
It's like, you create that a reality.
Okay.
I'm
into the whole way to the end of that hallway.
My emotion is now in my control, right?
I'm going to tap into that frequency of the positive emotion, not the bad stuff.
It's going to lead to action, either positive or negative action, which leads
to habits.
You just go around the whole loop.
So you get to choose what frequency you're on is what I'm saying.
And a lot of people listen to the podcast.
You may be hearing this for the first time.
Cool.
Take control of it.
Start that process.
Well, I'm definitely, definitely not perfect.
I mean, it's been even this week, I both probably Josh, you and Liz know more than
anybody.
both of you have like, if my energy's not right, are very quick to check it.
Like Liz, I can't even tell you how many times she's been like, do you want me to
truly tell you what I think?
And I'm like, yeah.
And then she'll put me in my place.
And then even two days ago, Josh just sent me a message because I was venting about
something and he's like, check your energy.
I'm like, damn it.
I left the exhibit about, I deleted it, but there was an F word in there.
Check your fucking energy.
That's what I wanted to my God, I that.
again, it's like, I'm not perfect.
Sometimes it takes somebody to be like, hey, but it doesn't take much now.
before, it's come a long way.
Because before, would be defensive.
would be dwelling on it.
It would take me a long time to come back to that realization.
Now it's just like, no.
Well, I want to say something here and I want this to stick because I know I've
told you this a bunch of times.
I want it to stick today.
Guys, fear and excitement are the exact same thing.
Exact same thing.
So fear is is a negative emotion of something that is unknown, right?
So it's easy to be fearful.
OK, that is not coming from God.
That is coming from the other radio frequency.
We don't want to be on that bandwidth.
OK, excitement and hope.
Is that same thing?
Right?
It's the same exact energy, but it is a positive scenario.
You still don't know.
Right?
So like, hey, faith and fear, they're the exact same thing.
You have faith for something positive to happen.
That energy happens.
You can be fearful, but it's the same exact energy.
You're just on a different bandwidth.
So it's understanding again, and detaching, getting out of that and saying,
okay, which bandwidth am I on right now?
I don't want to be on that bandwidth.
Okay, I'm going to table that.
I'm going to get on the positive bandwidth.
What is the opportunity here?
What could potentially go well versus looking at fear of loss of what could go
bad?
Right.
And we all live in that every day.
And the crazy thing is, is that those decisions add up and the bandwidth
multiply.
it's like whatever bandwidth you're on, just get on the other one.
It's a simple decision.
So a lot of what we do.
Yeah.
Go
Good Dino and Jenna don't do a podcast together.
Yeah.
Yeah, we got this circle back.
think that's like a one on one discussion with you.
literally read last week, I posted it my stories, I can't remember the exact quote,
but it was like, self -belief and self -doubt take the exact same amount of
energy into the unknown.
And so it's like, it's just a matter of which one are you going to choose?
Because they both have to deal with the unknown.
So yeah, that just goes along.
Go ahead, T.
get your fucking energy, right?
That's exactly what I'm talking about.
As we were talking, two things.
So one thing, a lot of when it comes to the emotional side, I highly recommend for
everyone, this book called Emotional Intelligence 2 .0.
It's phenomenal.
The reason I say this is because when you guys when a lot of us think about like,
intelligence, people think school smarts, right?
IQ.
Well, there's also something called EQ, which is emotional intelligence.
So just a lot of the stuff we've been talking about, I think is a very good book
to dive into for anybody.
But another piece to exactly what we're talking about now.
And it's an example from the magic of thinking big, I think you guys have read
it, I'm sure you guys have read it.
Okay.
But the author, talks about he I guess he was a professor or something of that
nature.
But he goes into the class and he's like, Alright, guys, in 30 years, how can we,
you know, in 30 years, if we can get rid of all prisons, how can we do
And then people are like, get rid of all prisons.
Are you fucking normal?
Like, are you crazy?
There's no way there's no way you can't do this.
And they gave him like 100 different reasons as to why.
And he goes, Hey, guys, this is this is exactly why I asked he's like, me he's
like, I understand that it's it's probably not a the thing you can do.
But let's take 20 minutes.
And let's believe it.
Let's believe we can't.
Like, let's just believe it's possible.
Now, how do do it?
And then all of a sudden,
It was like, well, maybe we can start, you know, educating more of the inner city
youth.
Maybe we can start doing it.
All of a sudden, these ideas came about where before it was like, there's no
chance.
And I bring this example up because if you can just take time to just, hey, let's say
it is possible, like 100 % it is possible.
What if, how do we do it?
And when you can kind of have that creative, intelligent mindset where it's
just like, how do I free flow this?
Like, let's say it is possible.
How is it possible?
And kind of going back to the kids stages
You know, just being able to think whatever right being creative being able
to think that anything is possible How do we go back to that and then come up with
those pieces?
Right and the reason I say that because our mind goes to work for us So it's like
whatever you believe your mind will go to work on confirming that so Just something
to what we're talking about because to Josh's point too It's like if you believe
you can't or if you believe there's you know, there's no way well your mind will
go to work as to why there's zero possible way you can achieve that but if you say
you
all of a sudden there's these different ideas that just pop out.
seems like it's like the universe is just dropping little things like, here you go,
here you go, here you go.
But all it takes is just that mindset shift.
some of the some to throw out there.
It's attaching a new meaning to an experience, and then stepping into the
possibility of what could potentially be the what if, right?
That's it.
Because so many people listen, they say like, I'm stuck in this place in life
because this, this, this, this, and this happened when I tried it before, similar
to a weight loss journey.
Right.
It's like, I've tried everything.
Okay.
Well, if you were to give it a go again, what things would you do differently?
I'll do this, this and this.
Cool.
You've just created the pathway of how you're going to achieve this.
Right.
And all it takes is attaching a new meaning and that little bit of belief to
spark that fire.
Again, belief is an emotion and we can go through the visualization loop and the
whole process.
It all starts with a thought, which is an energy frequency.
It always comes back to that.
are, not what you want.
attract, I mean, that's the thing.
So if you are giving out like self doubt, like you're going to attract that again,
like to your point, like you just, your mind goes to work for you to find reasons
to doubt yourself.
All right, let's do this.
Are you good?
Yeah, yeah, actually, I am a quick thing.
I want to ask you guys, you guys have people in your life that and I feel like
all of us have that one person that's like, my god, here we go again.
This happened to me.
It's always like there's always something bad that happens to those people.
Right?
Like you guys have those people in your lives?
used to how often are they actually right in their thinking?
Or is it actually them?
Like how often is it the person and it's not just like, the world's giving me
I hope that makes sense.
You know, like you can tell based on their mindset, what's going to happen if that
makes sense.
Like I have, like, for example, I have a friend who, you know, constantly something
comes up like, my God, this happened.
I got this stolen.
I got this, I got this.
And then when you kind of look at them and their mindset, it's like, bro, all you
think about is negativity.
All you do is complain.
All you do this.
And it's like, that's not a surprise.
Do you guys have those people or have you guys witnessed those people
Yeah.
I mean, but then again, I would also say like, when they have that energy, yes,
they're attracting more of that into their lives.
But I also think that if they were to have different energy and that shit were to
happen, it wouldn't be given the same amount of attention or energy.
You know I mean?
Like it wouldn't be treated the same way.
If that kind of makes sense.
Like, I broke my phone
Okay, cool.
We'll get a new one or shit.
I cracked my phone.
my God.
The world is ending.
Like what am going to do?
How am I going to work?
How am I going to do that?
Like all the things like it's you attach the meaning of it that you want.
So some two people could live the exact same life and one person could just like
keep dwelling all the bad shit.
And then the next person could be looking at all the blessings that they have and
have gratitude for everything.
So it's like, I think yes, those people create that for themselves.
They, I mean, yeah, there's probably an element of attracting more of it, but it's
also the attention that they give
the perspective of to me or for me.
Because I mean, I could use my own example for that.
When my mom died, my sister went completely off the rails and literally,
like, intentionally tried to recreate the life that my mom lived so that she would
have the same outcome, like literally went down that same path.
Right.
For me, I looked at it as like, okay, how am I going to help other people through it
when they lose their mom?
What emotions and experiences should I take through this to understand like how
this plays out so that I can give that experience to other people in their
journey?
And this happened before I even understood manifestation, all these things, right?
So it's a, is this happening to me or is it happening for me?
It's a really simple energy shift.
Find that silver lining.
Cause there's a silver lining in everything.
Always.
What would be the number one thing?
Cause I know Dino's look, you have to get out of your work.
Yeah.
So I want to talk.
I want you guys to dive into like, all
You guys have been through a lot on your experience and your journey.
Like what is one tip or piece of advice?
And if it spawns into like a couple little things here and there, like somebody just
starting this journey out of like, man, I'm just trying to be better, but the
world's pulling me in this direction.
I'm trying to be better, but this keeps happening every time I get a couple of
steps ahead.
Like I get knocked down one.
What is your number one piece of advice or tips for people like that?
Can I go?
I mean, I like, this is what I this is I have a lot of people that I'm coaching
that are just starting their journey.
And so yesterday, we were literally almost to the top of the mountain, I pulled out
my phone and recorded a video of this message because this this helped me going
up the mountain.
It was literally like, stop looking because I think maybe someone that's brand
new to their journey could listen to this episode and be like, Holy shit.
Okay, there's so much that I have to focus on right
or there's so many things that I need to be doing.
It's like, stop looking at how far you have to go.
Cause that was my problem.
When I was climbing that mountain, I kept looking up and I was like, my God, those
people look like ants.
I'm never going to get there.
Like I started to like talk myself out of it and stop looking at how far you have to
go.
Just put your head down, keep your eyes forward and take it one step at a time.
Like I, I literally had to keep reminding myself of that.
And I think that's
That's my biggest piece of advice today.
And no matter what you are working towards, because I still am guilty of I
have goals and they're big and they're scary.
And I look at that and I think of how far I have to go until I get there.
And I start to talk myself out of it or you know, that negative self talk comes
in.
Stop doing that.
So that is my biggest piece of advice.
Don't look at how far you have to go.
Yes, Josh talks about the North Star and you should have a goal in mind that you're
working towards.
But instead of like when that thought like starts creeping in of, my gosh, I have so
far to go.
Take a step back and put your head down, keep your eyes forward and one step at a
time.
Just make one good choice at a time.
One thing at a time that's gonna move you in the right direction.
And then it feels a lot less overwhelming.
And that point, like when you stop down and you get complacent because of how far
you have to go, you're literally operating in the future.
Like there is no future.
We've already decided this.
Right.
So it's, it's easy to look so far ahead and be like, my God, that's so far away.
Cool.
Just be that right now.
Right.
Like you knew that in order to get to the top of the mountain, all you had to do was
walk up it.
Right.
So in the moment, I'm just going to walk.
Eventually I'll get there, right?
And my second thought with this, and this is something I wanna share, but it's a
good time to throw it in, is what if you don't?
Right?
So you have like all this way to go in your journey or to become the person you
ultimately wanna become.
Well, what happens if you don't?
You know, and as human beings, we need to start operating out of that fear.
Because I think as humans, we have a misplaced fear of like, look at it from a
fitness journey standpoint.
Well, I'm afraid to give this up and this up and this up.
And I'm also afraid that once I start this, I'm going to have to keep doing it.
Okay, well, what if you don't, you should be more afraid of that than you should be
of the things that are here.
Right.
So and if you can do that, to that point, it's like, what if I don't?
If I don't, then I don't reach the top of the mountain.
The mission that I set out on failed and I let my friend down because she came out
here to do this mountain with me.
And I don't get the benefit of actually climbing up there and seeing the beautiful
view from the top.
That's what happens if you don't.
So instead of looking at the future self of like, man, it's like another hour to
get to the top, the fall summit, that whole thing throws people off on huge
mountains.
So you know, like I'm just gonna keep my feet moving, right?
Because that's all I have.
Like I said earlier, reminding yourself that those ants at the top, they're proof
that they did it.
People have climbed this mountain.
Remember that.
Just because it feels impossible to you, it's possible.
Someone else has done it, and that's another thing.
We see 50 -year -olds passing this up, and I'm like, okay, they've done it.
They have gotten to the top.
I 100 % can do this.
Somebody passed us who was wearing sandals.
Sandals.
Yeah, you could do anything.
You could do anything at that point.
And to the point, the point, you know, made on a couple of different podcasts
about the pathway.
It's like, and that's proof right there is that you guys had a walkway to walk up
this mountain, maybe not a set of steps, but it wasn't just overgrown with trees
and huge rocks that were never camped down.
It's like thousands of people have gone this way.
So it's like the path has been created for you.
All you got to do is keep moving.
Love that.
so I think that mine kind of ties into that a little bit.
mean, because, I mean, we were hiking for a long time.
I had a lot of time in my mind going through things and thinking about things
relating it to, because we couldn't talk to each other.
was really sad.
couldn't physically
talking today.
You're like, I didn't talk all day yesterday.
We're getting out.
All of it's gone now.
so out of breath.
There was one point we got to where we were starting to talk about something that
happened over Summer Smash and we were laughing so hard and we were like, stop
laughing.
I'm getting dizzy.
that's
Okay, carry on.
Anyway, this is kind what I was thinking.
It's just part of the freaking journey because the reason that it's hard is
because you don't want it to be easy.
Easy accomplishes nothing.
If it were easy, then you would have done it before.
And it's like, again, I was kind of tying this into process over outcome as we were
climbing this mountain because I was like, as we're going through the trail to do it,
there were points where we were
We were going even downhill at one point, then we'd go up real hard and then we'd
flatten out.
And it's like, there's all these different points of the journey where you can kind
of, okay, I can catch my breath at this point.
Okay.
This part's a little bit harder, but you embrace all of it you learn through it and
you get better through all of it to make it to the top, to the peak of the mountain
where you are so freaking accomplished, like, and you have so much pride and you
freaking did that.
And so I was thinking in my head, like what I'm gaining from the actual climb.
is so much better than even being at the peak.
Because if I were to hop on a helicopter and somebody were to just take me up to
the top just to see the views, like, that's cool.
Okay.
Let's go back down.
different experience from me climbing it myself.
So I think when people are on whatever journey that they're on and they come
through hardships, like it's just part of it.
That's where you become better.
That's where you become the person that you are trying to
That's where you grow.
You're not going to grow if you're not challenged.
If that was a freaking five, that wouldn't be a five mile hike if it was just flat
land.
I would have no sense of accomplishment.
I would have no pride, no self -confidence after that.
It's the hard shit that you will continue to do, you continue to overcome throughout
the process that creates the person that you're meant to be.
I would say, it's just something that I have grown to embrace.
over the last couple of years throughout my own journey is just like hard shit
comes and it's, have to embrace it.
You have to charge it.
You have to grow through it because there's a reason that you're going through
the harder parts and it's to get you to further ahead.
You know, it's like you don't climb the hard shit on the mountain only to end up
at the bottom.
Like you climb it to move further ahead.
You know, you climb it to move up.
So if I were to hit that hard climb and been
I'm just going to turn around and go back." Like, no, I didn't come this far to
only come this far.
I came this far to freaking get to the top.
Like, I'm going to keep going.
Like, this is part of it, you know?
So that was what I was reflecting on yesterday as we were climbing and I was
just in my head for three straight hours, which is scary, And we had quitting off
the table, which we talk about all the time, but quitting was not an option.
Yeah.
So… Quitting was not an option and it shouldn't be.
are quitting off the table, there was no other way but to finish it.
So it's like, you guys are gonna figure it out.
I think it's exactly what Jenna you're saying is, is if you make comfortable
decisions, comfortable decisions, you're gonna have a hard time.
If you make uncomfortable decisions, you're gonna have an easier time.
It's, you know, at the end of the day, you're gonna choose your hard.
And it's like, it's gonna be hard regardless.
It's like, but if you can control that hard and you choose it yourself, the other
end is a lot easier than it
to choose easy now and then have hard for the rest of your life.
Yeah, there is actually a episode called Choosing Your Heart on When Mamas Rise Up
available on Spotify and Apple Podcast.
Check it out.
Let's go.
The correlation I want to make to the mountain, right?
Life is exactly the same way, right?
Because every single day, God willing, we're going to wake up, we're going to go
through life, we're going to do all these things.
And before you know it, we've lived a lifetime worth of days, right?
You guys walking five miles versus climbing a mountain for five miles, the
process was exactly the same.
All you did was if you're walking five miles on flat land, you're taking one step
after the other.
You're looking around, you're enjoying the views, you're looking over your shoulder,
make sure your car is not coming.
The process is literally no different if you climb a mountain.
You're taking one step at a time.
You're looking around, looking at the surroundings.
Life is the exact same way.
The only difference goes back to what I talked about.
Hey, we're gonna choose to do this because it's gonna be worth it.
There's something at the end of this.
We don't even know what that is.
We don't know if we're gonna make it, but we're gonna just go and just give it our
best because all it is is that it's one step at a time.
Hey, life, guys, is exact same way.
Don't live your life for the next 30, 40 years unintentionally without aiming for
something, because you're going to live that life one way the other.
Why not make it so that you get to that point and you're never gonna get to the
end point, but get the absolute best views you possibly can along the way and
understand audit is a simple
100%.
We had no idea how beautiful that view was going to be at the end.
exactly.
And it was worth it.
It was beautiful.
It was amazing.
Yeah.
Just like you just said.
I made a joke, but I do need to know for real.
Like, did you guys see any Sasquatch sightings or markings or anything?
No.
Markings maybe.
Yeah.
We saw a lot of mountain goats, actually.
were a lot of mountain goats.
Like, in front of Two feet away from us.
They had no fear.
They gave zero fucks.
They were like sharing the path with us.
Yeah.
Like, they didn't care.
Yeah.
But that's, well, they're just called, Pika's.
We talked to some people and they taught us what… They were like mountain rats.
Mountain rats.
They were like just screwing around, but no.
No Sasquatch sightings.
It's too high up for him.
Yeah.
think it is.
think that that's probably where he wants to be.
Bullshit.
All right.
Well, as we've been at this for about an hour and 40 minutes, and I think this is
chalk to the value, we could continue adding value, but this is clearly going to
be a second episode because there's a lot we didn't get into that I wanted to.
Oh But as we kind of wrap this up, and I want you guys to tell people how they can
connect with you as well, but we're very big on books on the podcast.
So I know we've referenced a couple here, but
not currently where you're at books, but books that made a really big impact on you
earlier in this process of you guys becoming where you're at now.
What do
I would say probably one of my all time favorites is The Breakthrough Code.
I think you've probably talked about it on here before.
Especially if you're just starting out, because I remember starting to read self
-development books, was like, because I was very a fictional reader for a long
time.
So that was a very good transition book that was self -development, but also kind
of told a story so it was very easy to read.
And the message that it gets across in that book is incredible.
So that's probably one that I recommend.
I think a really
the things guys with Jenna, I'll pay her a compliment here in real time.
She keeps me on my toes with reading because like a lot of the people around me
that I mentor, they'll only read the books that I recommend to them.
And like I recommend a lot of books, so I understand, but she does a really good job
of getting outside and finding other books that are very valuable and then passing
those along.
However, with the Breakthrough Code, she didn't do that.
She read that book and was changed by it, but she never actually told me about it
until I was like, hey, have you read it?
And you were like, yeah, that book was amazing.
And I'm like, wait a minute, you didn't tell me about this book.
no, no.
that is the biggest bullshit lie ever.
I told you about that book and it took forever to know.
I told you about it and you didn't read it for a long time after I told you.
And then you were like, wow, this is great.
And then you started recommending it to everybody acting like it was your idea.
And I'm like, no, I read that first.
You are such a liar.
We did agree to not fight on this podcast,
I
We won't fight, we won't interrupt each other.
It'll be great, Dina.
You and me.
Well, so I think about like, I always go back to atomic habits.
But like, I think about when I was first getting back to reading, like honestly,
when I started reading self development, I probably had not read until college when I
or since college when I was forced to read, which is really sad.
And but Chappwood, Carrie water is a really, it's a really good mindset book,
but very like easy read.
So think that would have been a really good starter for me.
I will also say just because Liz and I both just finished the same book, that
book Worthy that I was just talking about earlier by Jamie Kern Lima, that's a
really good one.
It's more female targeted, but that's a really good one because it just talks
about the difference between self -worth and self -confidence and how they're very
different and how to, I mean, there's very simple steps to building self -confidence,
but it's not very common to talk about self -worth.
Self -worth is the foundation for self -confidence.
That's a really, really good book too.
So I would recommend that as well.
Love both of those.
Well, all three.
Solid.
Guys, I love it.
I appreciate you guys a lot.
to say it again, it's really, really cool from my perspective to like see the
journey that you guys have been on.
And we didn't even really touch on any of it today, which is fine.
We'll get into it eventually.
to see where you guys have come of like taking that ownership and being
intentional of like, no, like this is on me, right?
I got to do this myself to pass it on to my kids, pass it on to clients.
And to see you guys spin that into a podcast, it's a very successful podcast
where now you're impacting people out there in the world.
It's only the beginning for you guys.
Like
guys have a very, very, big mark to make on this world.
and it's really freaking cool to be a part of that journey in even a small way.
Right.
Like I literally, I know we joke a lot, but I don't take credit for it because,
like for real, like I don't, like I take credit for making you guys come together
for sure.
But like, I don't take credit for that journey because it's up to you guys to
take what I've taught you and to internalize it and to use it.
Right.
Very similarly, like my journey, like I was getting a lot of mindset and quite
honestly, a lot of the books that I've ended up reading, I was
that stuff 15, 17 years ago, right by different mentors that are my life at that
time, I just never latched onto it.
I'm like, I don't really see a purpose in this.
So my journey came to be when I like made that decision for myself of like, okay,
cool, this is what I need to go do.
And you guys have done the same thing, you know, and it's a continuation process.
I'm really proud of you guys.
For anybody listening, male or female, it's called when my when mama's rise up
podcast, there is so much value in there.
And it's really cool for me to personally listen to that.
Because I have my perspective, one of the things that I've taught you, but to hear
it from your perspective, and your
and how you've applied it, actually I learn a lot from it.
So I appreciate you guys, who you are and what you're doing in the world.
amazing.
Thank you.
We really didn't talk about that process all that much, but that was really a huge
part of both of our just journeys over the last year.
We just hit a year with When Mamas Rise Up.
We just had our year anniversary episode.
But that whole thing was literally like, we would talk on the phone for hours,
literally just about stuff, how people struggle with certain things, what we
would recommend, how we would make them better, da -da -da -da, all these things.
And we one day were just
we should have a podcast about this stuff.
It just like literally record our conversations.
And so we both put it on our vision board, but it didn't stay there for long.
It was maybe a month before we were like, let's just freaking do it.
You know, we didn't wait till we were ready.
Like we just did it.
And I would like, while I do love our episodes, our very first episode is kind
of painful to listen to.
don't.
Don't listen to the first like 10.
We've come a long way, but it's been really cool because that's
That's our whole thing is it's like, you know, we're both coaches and we both want
to make an impact, but we can still only help so many people doing that.
Like we wanted to be able to help people in a broader audience in a bigger way.
so that's why we started the podcast.
And that's what it's all about is just being able to reach more people and just
help them believe in themselves, help them believe that they're capable of more.
Like that's kind of the whole, I mean, idea behind.
That's like our whole mission really is just helping people believe that they're
capable of more in life.
taking that baton and running with
Yeah, that's really all I ever did for you guys was just like, Hey, like, this is the
path of what you could be.
What happens if you don't, you know, to talk about the reference back what we
talked to earlier.
So I know we're getting along here, but guys, if you gain value from the show, and
I know you did, this is one of those shows you're going to want to let's do a couple
of different times.
And over time, right?
They come back to this a month or two from now, the first time you listen to it,
because you're going to find different things as you're going through your
journey and down your path that you're like, man, I didn't catch that the first
time.
It's very much like reading a book.
It's like you didn't catch it the first time, but you're at a different spot in
your life and it's going to make that it's going to hit.
And I think we covered a wide enough topic range that like it will hit you at
different parts of your journey if you continue listening to this.
So share it.
If you did find value, if there's something that you picked up that you want
somebody else to have, give it to them.
And the second thing is start listening to their podcast.
It's a really, really good podcast to listen to, to just pivot.
And it's a different perspective on a lot of the things that Dino and I talk about
as well.
Yeah, it's not just for moms.
It's not.
It's not just for moms.
Like we do talk about mom stuff in there, obviously, because we are, that's our
life.
But the messages that we get out are for everybody.
Final question I ask is what was your most listened to episode?
He's asking that because Because he knows that, because, okay, well, was a guest.
Josh was our very first guest on our podcast and it - We had two episodes, but
it was the second one that hit.
Yeah.
The one about emotional sabotage.
Actually, that one has the most plays for us.
And actually, I send that one out to a lot of my clients still because I mean, people
struggle with that always.
So I always send, have people go back and listen to that episode.
You know, in a couple of weeks, I'm going to ask you the same thing.
Which one is your most played episode?
I guarantee it will be this one.
I already can already see it too.
I already know that it will be.
I love how Josh set up that question knowing.
mean.
It's innocent question.
Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, sure.
Yeah, yeah, no credit.
Zero.
But every all the credit for everything you guys did, but no credit, you know.
Nah, it's always a conversation.
yeah, this is
guests on another podcast before, so this was exciting for us.
We really appreciate you guys letting us speak on all the things.
Share a message.
We like to talk.
cover it.
We appreciate you guys.
Thank you guys again.
One more time.
If you find value in this year, it, both with, our podcast and with Jenna's
podcast, that's all we had in Liz's podcast.
Like that's all we ever ask is just give it to other people.
It's a gift, right?
It's why we do what we do is like, we have been passed the baton from other people
and we just want to pay that forward to do the same, but even more so as apply this
stuff, put it into practice.
If you have questions, I'll tag, Jenna and Liz's Instagram on, our bio here for this
episode, but reach out, ask them questions.
if you wanna know more about stuff they talked about.
We're all in open book to be able to help you.
without further ado, you guys have an amazing rest of your day together.
Thank you for waking up super early for us.
But yeah, guys, until next time.
Peace.