1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,120 Welcome to NoOffice, a podcast about work, technology and life from a remote company perspective. 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:15,120 In Nozbe, we believe that work is not a place to go, it is a thing that you do. That is why, 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:23,840 since 2007, we run our company 100% remotely. In Nozbe, there is NoOffice. 4 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:30,800 The Know Office podcast is sponsored by Nozbe teams, a to-do app that helps modern teams do 5 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,920 great things. Go to KnowTheCom to learn more. Don't cram a bunch of people on Zoom. 6 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:41,200 We're a simulated office all day long. You know, you probably are going to work from home. 7 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:50,160 Hello and welcome to No Office, No Studio, a podcast about work, technology, 8 00:00:50,160 --> 00:00:52,800 and live from a remote company perspective. 9 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,200 My name is Rafal Sobolewski, and as always, 10 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,840 I'm joined by CEO of our remote company 11 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,920 and my good friend, Michael Sliwinski. 12 00:00:59,920 --> 00:01:00,960 Michael, how are you today? 13 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,520 - Yeah, I'm good. I'm excited because, you know, 14 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,920 we are going to see each other in just a few days. 15 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:11,600 - Yes, yes. We are going for Nozbe reunion next week, 16 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:16,560 and I cannot wait to see you and the whole team to hang out. 17 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:22,960 and we will also do some volunteer work for helping Ukrainians in the city of Lublin. 18 00:01:22,960 --> 00:01:25,680 Yes, we'll be in the beautiful city of Lublin. 19 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,320 Lublin, yeah, let's call it in Polish way. 20 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:30,560 In Polish, Lublin, it makes more sense. 21 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,320 It sounds strange in Lublin. 22 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:39,920 Yeah, so we will be in the city of Lublin and we're just 82 kilometers from the Ukrainian border, 23 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:42,720 so very, very close to Ukrainian border. 24 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:49,440 That's why I suppose there will be lots of refugees coming in and they are already there. 25 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:54,800 Like to this day there are more than two million people who came from Ukraine to Poland already 26 00:01:54,800 --> 00:02:01,360 because of this war. So the thing is the whole purpose of Nozbe reunion is to hang out together. 27 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:09,520 It's not to work much, it's not to you know work a lot and discuss lots of things. It is a team 28 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:14,240 building exercise to just be together. That's the main purpose of the reunion. We are not 29 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:20,400 planning any special, I don't know, things to really do because we are so good at doing things 30 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:26,480 remotely and doing things in an office way that we don't really need that. We need to hang out 31 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:32,880 as people to just build a better team. So hanging out by helping others, I think it's great. I think 32 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:38,240 this is good because then we see each other in action and we help each other and we see that 33 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:44,000 that there is something we can do with our hands, with our minds, with our being. 34 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:49,440 Yes, and many people in our team asked to organize something like this, 35 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:54,040 so they can help and then we can also learn how this... 36 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,040 because we will go to the bigger volunteer center, 37 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,240 some storehouse for the staff collected for refugees. 38 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,240 So I think we will learn some skills there also. 39 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:06,240 That would be nice. 40 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:12,640 will be nice. Yeah, it will be nice. And so that's why I think, you know, we were when 41 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:17,160 when the war started, we were thinking or should we continue with the reunion with the 42 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:22,520 reunion in the same the same place? Like what should we do? But, you know, as long as still 43 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:28,160 hopefully there is no immediate threat of an attack from Russia. We are still safe in 44 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:33,040 Poland, but Ukrainians are not safe in Ukraine. So we have to help them as much as we can. 45 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:37,440 That's why if we can get involved, because we are already involved. 46 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,160 We already mentioned in the previous episodes how we are helping Ukraine. 47 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,760 What we haven't mentioned is that we also blocked Russians from using Nozbe. 48 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,040 And so we did all that. 49 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:51,080 And now let's just get our hands dirty and help others. 50 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:51,760 Can't wait. 51 00:03:51,760 --> 00:04:01,360 And today we wanted to talk about hybrid work because no office as an idea is not only about working from home, 52 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:08,800 but working from many different places, the places that each employee can choose by themselves. 53 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,760 Yeah, that's the whole gist of my book "No Office" and we'll talk about my book actually and the 54 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:20,080 schedule of large of my book later in this episode. But the whole idea of no office lifestyle, 55 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:25,840 as I call it, is that office is a tool. You might have it, you might not have it, you don't have to 56 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:31,120 be as extreme as we are that we don't have any office. You can have an office or offices, but use 57 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:37,360 them as a tool for specific purposes but not as something that you have to go to. Work 58 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:42,880 is not the place to go, it's a thing you do. That's why I think the future will be hybrid. 59 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:48,160 The future will be hybrid in that sense that people will sometimes work from the office 60 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:53,120 and sometimes they will not. It just depends on how they will feel in the moment, how they 61 00:04:53,120 --> 00:05:00,160 will see it, and that's why I think this is the future. Yeah, I think even that it's a present 62 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:06,800 Already, I have many friends that used to work like in the office, going to the office, doing some IT work. 63 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:13,600 And now they work like, for example, four days from home and one day in a week they go to the office. 64 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:20,160 I see that also in my close environment of people who used to go to the office all the time. 65 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:29,520 You know, because of the two years of the pandemic, I think people felt the freedom and felt finally what we've been saying all these years. 66 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:36,080 that it is possible to work from home. Like, you know, Rafal, you remember before 2019 everybody 67 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:42,720 would be like, before 2020 actually, so still in 2019, people would still tell us, "No, no, no, 68 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:47,920 working from home is impossible. It wouldn't work in our case." And now people have felt the freedom. 69 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:52,480 They have felt that sometimes when they stay at home, they are very productive because there are 70 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:57,920 no disruptions, no unnecessary meetings. They can just get stuff done, write so many things, 71 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:02,920 work on these concepts. 72 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,440 People see this flexibility. 73 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,320 But I would argue that one of the main prerequisites 74 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,080 of hybrid to work is to let people decide. 75 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,320 It's not force them like Apple. 76 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:14,680 You have to be on this day in the office and this day you may, maybe not. 77 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,720 You have to be able to have the agency to choose. 78 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,600 I'm going to office on Monday, but I'm not going to office on Tuesday. 79 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,600 You should decide based on what you think, how you see your work, how you see your team. 80 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:33,600 you should be able to decide. Yes, exactly. And with this approach, I think before 2020, 81 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:40,320 Office was a tool for the management, for the company management, yeah? To gather all the 82 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:45,760 employees. Yeah, exactly. Now with this hybrid approach for the companies who embraced it, 83 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:51,600 the Office became a tool for your employees. So they can choose to work from the Office if they 84 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:58,600 need to, if they, for example, don't have a spare room in the home to create a home 85 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:04,100 office environment that, well, they could do a focus work, or for some reason they prefer 86 00:07:04,100 --> 00:07:10,900 to work from office. As I said, they can choose to go to the office for only one or two days 87 00:07:10,900 --> 00:07:17,340 per week, which is actually, I think it's a perfect solution because it gives you always 88 00:07:17,340 --> 00:07:23,160 a small change of the daily routine is always stimulating your creativity. 89 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:29,000 Yeah, the first thing, as we agreed, you have to let people decide when they use the tool 90 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:34,140 of an office, when they use it, how they use it. And again, they should be able to choose 91 00:07:34,140 --> 00:07:38,260 it based on all these circumstances, you know, how the team is working, how is the progress 92 00:07:38,260 --> 00:07:43,580 on projects, like everything like this. So this is the one thing. Second, because it's 93 00:07:43,580 --> 00:07:48,180 flexible place. Suddenly people can, for example, come to the office a little bit later. For 94 00:07:48,180 --> 00:07:52,660 example, they can do some work in the morning at home and then go when there is no more 95 00:07:52,660 --> 00:07:57,700 traffic jams. Like, you know, like just think about it. Normally everybody goes around seven 96 00:07:57,700 --> 00:08:03,460 or eight a.m. Right. So then there are all the traffic jams. But I see that with lots 97 00:08:03,460 --> 00:08:08,020 of my friends that they just come to the office later because they know that they can do some, 98 00:08:08,020 --> 00:08:15,260 morning catch up email whatever like stuff in you know with their own coffee in the morning 99 00:08:15,260 --> 00:08:20,540 and then they go to the office around 11 there is nobody on the streets and they just drive 100 00:08:20,540 --> 00:08:27,460 instead of being stuck in a one hour in traffic jam it takes them 20 minutes for example and 101 00:08:27,460 --> 00:08:31,620 then they are there and then they get stuff done in the office and then they also they 102 00:08:31,620 --> 00:08:37,700 choose the time when they come back I think it's brilliant that's the way to go this hybrid 103 00:08:37,700 --> 00:08:46,180 work or working from home really. You can save many hours per year by not commuting with a car 104 00:08:46,180 --> 00:08:55,780 during rush hours. And one thing I miss from going to the office is morning commute, but not in a car, 105 00:08:55,780 --> 00:09:06,500 but riding a bike. So now when we finally, like pandemic is, it's not over yet, but currently we 106 00:09:06,500 --> 00:09:11,980 are in the good moment. I started having my Fridays away from my home office. 107 00:09:11,980 --> 00:09:19,140 That's brilliant. Yeah, go to some coffee place or to local community center or 108 00:09:19,140 --> 00:09:24,460 just grab my MacBook and iPad and just ride a bike for some time and 109 00:09:24,460 --> 00:09:30,180 work from some places. Yeah, I mean that's what it 110 00:09:30,180 --> 00:09:35,420 should be all about. So this kind of freedom to work like this. So that's the 111 00:09:35,420 --> 00:09:40,580 prerequisite of hybrid. But to do hybrid, well, it does require some involvement 112 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:45,380 from the management, because things have to be organized differently. For once, 113 00:09:45,380 --> 00:09:50,420 meetings. Let's talk about meetings. So first of all, if you go to nosbe.com/meetings, 114 00:09:50,420 --> 00:09:53,740 you will understand why you don't have to have so many meetings, how we do 115 00:09:53,740 --> 00:09:58,740 meetings, and that meetings are optional, regular, and well-prepared. 116 00:09:58,740 --> 00:10:03,660 And you will learn more about that there. But the idea about meetings is 117 00:10:03,660 --> 00:10:11,020 that because we are in a hybrid world, meetings have to be virtual, all of them, even if most 118 00:10:11,020 --> 00:10:15,880 of the people are in the office. And because, I mean, this was, according to my friends 119 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:22,900 who changed the lifestyle from going to office all the time, they said that this made a huge 120 00:10:22,900 --> 00:10:29,140 difference because before the pandemic, some of them did have some flexibility to work 121 00:10:29,140 --> 00:10:33,060 from home. But because every day they would have a meeting, they would barely go home 122 00:10:33,060 --> 00:10:36,380 because they stay home because they would know, "Oh man, I have a meeting so I 123 00:10:36,380 --> 00:10:40,220 better go. I have a meeting again. I better go." But now that meetings are 124 00:10:40,220 --> 00:10:44,820 virtual first, nobody is in disadvantage. Some people who are in the office, 125 00:10:44,820 --> 00:10:48,960 great, but some people who are not in the office, all of them meet virtually. So the 126 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:53,820 meeting is happening virtually and this way nobody is left out and everybody's 127 00:10:53,820 --> 00:10:58,140 treated on the same footing. It's not like the "we in the office and 128 00:10:58,140 --> 00:10:59,420 and the other guys. 129 00:10:59,420 --> 00:11:00,260 - Yes, exactly. 130 00:11:00,260 --> 00:11:02,780 And you don't feel left out. 131 00:11:02,780 --> 00:11:06,720 I remember such situations in my previous job. 132 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:08,660 It was like back in 10 years ago. 133 00:11:08,660 --> 00:11:09,500 - Many years ago, man. 134 00:11:09,500 --> 00:11:10,320 - Even, yeah. 135 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,140 20 years ago, yeah, I had the possibility 136 00:11:12,140 --> 00:11:15,660 to work from home for one day in a week 137 00:11:15,660 --> 00:11:16,820 if I asked my boss. 138 00:11:16,820 --> 00:11:20,860 But still, if I'm not at the meeting, 139 00:11:20,860 --> 00:11:26,500 or I cannot, yeah, the people were used to make decisions 140 00:11:26,500 --> 00:11:29,140 based on face-to-face meetings. 141 00:11:29,140 --> 00:11:31,020 In the coffee, et cetera. 142 00:11:31,020 --> 00:11:33,700 And now with this hybrid approach, 143 00:11:33,700 --> 00:11:35,620 the company must be set up the way 144 00:11:35,620 --> 00:11:38,060 that everyone can work from home. 145 00:11:38,060 --> 00:11:40,500 And the communication is asynchronous, 146 00:11:40,500 --> 00:11:44,560 and if meetings are required, meetings are all virtual. 147 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:47,180 And that way, it works. 148 00:11:47,180 --> 00:11:48,140 It really works. 149 00:11:48,140 --> 00:11:49,900 Look at our reunion, 150 00:11:49,900 --> 00:11:53,700 because there is always this pressure 151 00:11:53,700 --> 00:11:57,540 from people who want to keep the things how they were. 152 00:11:57,540 --> 00:12:00,060 Like everyone should be in the office 153 00:12:00,060 --> 00:12:02,220 to build the company's culture. 154 00:12:02,220 --> 00:12:06,260 But company's culture is built not by hanging out 155 00:12:06,260 --> 00:12:09,320 in the kitchen in the office with coffee, 156 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,980 but by doing great work together. 157 00:12:12,980 --> 00:12:15,460 And that's why our Nords-Billions are so great 158 00:12:15,460 --> 00:12:20,060 because we are building company culture every day 159 00:12:20,060 --> 00:12:21,920 by working asynchronously, 160 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,720 And then we can meet and hang out, 161 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,440 and we really love to spend time together. 162 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,240 We are not tired of each other. 163 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:30,200 - Exactly. 164 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:31,640 And when you think about it, 165 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,500 it's another myth that has been broken. 166 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:37,840 Because again, people would look at us pre-pandemic 167 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,160 and say, "Yeah, virtual meetings are okay, 168 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,180 but it's not the same as when we can be in the same room, 169 00:12:44,180 --> 00:12:46,080 the chemistry is there, you know, 170 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,080 the vibrations and everything. 171 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,560 This is just, this makes the meeting so much different." 172 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:53,720 Now, the same people who have virtual meetings are saying, 173 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,940 no, virtual meetings are pretty good. 174 00:12:55,940 --> 00:12:56,980 They're pretty great. 175 00:12:56,980 --> 00:12:59,600 I feel very well connected with my team. 176 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,820 It's something we've been saying all the time. 177 00:13:01,820 --> 00:13:03,740 Like on our design fight meeting 178 00:13:03,740 --> 00:13:06,280 or on our director's meeting when we have coffee together, 179 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:07,800 we have a good meeting. 180 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:12,800 We laugh, we shout, we quarrel, we fight, we do everything. 181 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,840 It's a very serious meeting. 182 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,120 Okay, we cannot punch each other 183 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:19,400 because we're not in the same place, 184 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,040 But you know, punching somebody is not really good anyway. 185 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,400 So don't try this at work. 186 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:25,240 So... 187 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:26,080 (laughs) 188 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:27,680 - Yeah, but we cannot high five. 189 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:28,520 - We cannot high five. 190 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,600 Yeah, that's the major drawback. 191 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,520 But apart from that, apart from not being able to high five, 192 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:34,360 everything works. 193 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:35,880 The meetings are real. 194 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,720 The meetings are exhausting. 195 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,120 So they are real. 196 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,280 This is true. 197 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:46,040 So again, I'm happy that this other myth is being debunked 198 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,160 by just explaining to, 199 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:49,780 but just experiencing it themselves, 200 00:13:49,780 --> 00:13:52,900 like by seeing a virtual first meeting is fine. 201 00:13:52,900 --> 00:13:55,160 We feel we are in there together. 202 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,200 And then when you have the office, 203 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,460 when some of you from this meeting are in the office anyway, 204 00:14:01,460 --> 00:14:04,160 then after the meeting, go have a coffee and hang out. 205 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,100 You know, don't spend the time on the meeting together, 206 00:14:07,100 --> 00:14:08,740 but just, you know, do the virtual meeting 207 00:14:08,740 --> 00:14:10,060 and then go get a coffee. 208 00:14:10,060 --> 00:14:12,240 This way you socialize, you create this culture, 209 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:13,120 you create this bond. 210 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,360 - That's true. 211 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:18,080 But to be fair, I think a virtual meeting, 212 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,360 at least for me, are more exhausting than face-to-face meeting. 213 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:27,200 But that is why you should optimize for asynchronous communication 214 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:31,080 and do meetings only if they are really needed. 215 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:33,000 But why are they more exhausting for you? 216 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,520 Do you know? Can you pinpoint? 217 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:38,040 I think it requires more focus, more active focus, 218 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,360 to really be focused on the conversation 219 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,920 and not be distracted by the other things on the screen. 220 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,120 OK, that's true. 221 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,320 Because if we have physical meeting, 222 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,200 like we are in the same room, 223 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,440 it's obvious that we don't have laptops opened 224 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,080 and we only have some notes. 225 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,780 - That's one of the reasons why when we have a meeting, 226 00:15:02,780 --> 00:15:05,800 I prefer to put Zoom in full screen mode 227 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,640 or half screen mode Zoom 228 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,680 and then the other half screen, the notes for this meeting 229 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:11,500 and nothing else. 230 00:15:11,500 --> 00:15:15,600 So this way, the rest of the stuff from the screen is gone. 231 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:20,600 So I'm not tempted by other distractions, 232 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,760 by other notifications, by other things. 233 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,160 For example, yesterday we had the equality support meeting. 234 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,000 This is the meeting where we review support tickets 235 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,240 and see what we can improve 236 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,880 and what are the common requests now and all that stuff. 237 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,440 And for that meeting, for example, 238 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,240 I have a shortcut on my iPad 239 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:36,880 and I have it on my iPad actually, the meeting, 240 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,200 'cause I enjoy it like this. 241 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,360 So I have a shortcut that it shows me Zoom 242 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:44,040 and Dropbox Paper where we have the notes for the meeting 243 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:45,320 in split screen. 244 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,240 speedly. So this way on zoom I can see the people and then I have on the other 245 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:53,720 side I have the the notes and this way I can just go through the notes with the 246 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:59,840 team and just you know see people with camera and and I'm not distracted that 247 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:03,680 much and actually to make the meeting kind of more casual I just take my 248 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,000 iPad and sit on the couch so that it's just you know it's more comfortable it's 249 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:12,160 more like relaxed. So there are ways to make to making you know virtual meetings 250 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:13,160 a little bit less stressful. 251 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:19,920 Yeah, I need to try this to take my MacBook or iPad to the couch or to my com feature 252 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:21,440 and have a meeting there. 253 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:28,440 Yeah, I think so. I like it like this. I actually started enjoying having, for example, QoS 254 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:38,440 meeting like this. Very comfortable. So this is another prerequisite to hybrid. And now 255 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:43,160 I would also like to talk about the actual gadgets, 256 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,320 so the actual computers and stuff, 257 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,280 that should be enabled by the company 258 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,480 for the employees to be fully hybrid. 259 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,060 And we will be talking about this 260 00:16:53,060 --> 00:16:55,180 because our actually setups have changed. 261 00:16:55,180 --> 00:16:58,120 My setup has changed, yours has improved, 262 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,320 but mine has changed almost completely. 263 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,640 So we'll talk about it right after the break. 264 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,720 But first, before the break, I want to just point it out. 265 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:11,840 And this is one of the companies I know, it's a big company, and this company did it already 266 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:18,880 before the pandemic, which was a brilliant move. They gave everyone, so everybody had a computer 267 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:27,520 at their desk before 2019. And then in 2019, they had this whole push to give everyone a laptop. 268 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:33,920 This way, people could just connect the laptop to their screens in the office. And if they wanted 269 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:39,040 to work remotely from home, you know, once a week maybe, before the pandemic. Now they're 270 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:43,280 working more. So they could just take the laptop with them. So this way they can, they 271 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:49,040 have everything set up. And because this company is pretty, you know, pretty security conscious, 272 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,960 they have the VPNs and all that stuff set up. So they wanted the laptops to be really 273 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:58,680 well set up so that when they connect to, you know, even external Wi Fi, they automatically, 274 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:03,320 the laptop connects using the VPN, all that stuff. So that it's all secure, and then it's 275 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,120 all done in a very secure way. And the company wanted to control it. That's why they gave 276 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:13,640 the laptops and they set up the laptops for the team members. What they didn't do initially 277 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,760 is they didn't give additional screens to the homes of these people. But of course, 278 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,560 as pandemic hit, they realized, "Oh, crap, we need the screens." I was actually ahead 279 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:28,360 of the curve because once my wife got the laptop, I bought her a screen right away because 280 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:33,800 I thought, you know, she needs a screen for that anyway. But that's what I'm saying, that the 281 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:41,000 company should provide a laptop, a company mandated laptop for example, or the same kind of laptop. 282 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:48,360 We have our preferences, we'll talk about later, but a good laptop and an external screen both in 283 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:55,400 the office and at home. And because some screens are not that expensive as Max Studio Display, 284 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,400 which we'll talk about it later. But some screens are usually pretty cheap. 285 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:03,240 I mean good panels actually, good screens are pretty cheap. So it's not really a 286 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,640 big expense, but it's a boost of productivity that 287 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:09,640 people can just go to their home, connect the laptop to the 288 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,880 screen and to the charger and just work, and then go back to the office, do the 289 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,080 very same thing and just continue working. Also another 290 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:21,320 pro tip, two chargers. One charger at work, one charger at home. 291 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,920 Because traveling with chargers doesn't make any sense, because 292 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:30,760 you will forget the charger and then you will be screwed. So the best way is to have a charger 293 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:37,640 both at home and at work. Actually, the good display should have a charger built in via USB-C 294 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:45,880 for a laptop. That would be the best. But of course, we know that reality in many companies, 295 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:52,040 they just buy the cheapest one. Yeah, I mean, they do all these things like they have this offer from 296 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,280 from an IT company for like, I don't know, 100 laptops. 297 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,940 So they go with the cheaper option 298 00:19:58,940 --> 00:20:00,080 because it's 100 laptops. 299 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:05,080 So when you can save 100 euros on 100 laptops, 300 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,640 it's 10,000 euros. 301 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,340 So it is of savings. 302 00:20:09,340 --> 00:20:12,820 But I would argue that laptops should be good 303 00:20:12,820 --> 00:20:14,960 because I've seen really crappy laptops 304 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,760 being given to people and it's not good 305 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:20,080 because then they're not compatible with the screens 306 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:21,800 or they're doing something. 307 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:27,920 So you have a 4K screen and you want to connect the laptop and it's only 30Hz instead of 60Hz? 308 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:31,040 So you are hurting your eyes while working? 309 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,560 Yes, so all these things. 310 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:39,180 I think the company should step up here to just make sure that people have the same setup. 311 00:20:39,180 --> 00:20:44,280 And the good thing is that then they can change the setup in the office because they don't 312 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:51,100 need as many spaces to work for people because usually not everyone will be at work. 313 00:20:51,100 --> 00:20:55,980 So they can actually save some money on the setups and do more like kind of hot desking 314 00:20:55,980 --> 00:21:01,700 environment where people just choose a desk, get a desk which is available, connect their 315 00:21:01,700 --> 00:21:03,740 laptop and it just works. 316 00:21:03,740 --> 00:21:04,740 And that's it. 317 00:21:04,740 --> 00:21:13,020 I mean, when I was reading about many businesses, I was reading, for example, about Ryanair 318 00:21:13,020 --> 00:21:14,020 Airlines. 319 00:21:14,020 --> 00:21:19,900 Ryanair Airlines is my favorite airline because it connects my two favorite cities. 320 00:21:19,900 --> 00:21:25,420 have to choose them. But Rainer is the cheap airline of Europe. It's the biggest airline in 321 00:21:25,420 --> 00:21:31,180 Europe but also is the low fares airlines. And one of the ways how they get low fares is because they 322 00:21:31,180 --> 00:21:38,860 have the same planes. They don't have a fleet of different planes. All of them are Boeing 737-800. 323 00:21:38,860 --> 00:21:44,380 All of them. Now they are upgrading to a newer model, so newer version of it, but it's still the 324 00:21:44,380 --> 00:21:50,160 the same plane. So for everyone, for the flight attendants, for the pilots, it's the same 325 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,300 plane every time. They don't have to learn new things. They don't have to go through 326 00:21:54,300 --> 00:21:59,100 a different checklist in each plane. It's all the same. The parts are the same. If you 327 00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:05,740 need to upgrade parts or get some more parts for maintenance, it's all the same. And I 328 00:22:05,740 --> 00:22:10,680 think this is the key for the companies. That companies should decide one year, "We're going 329 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,360 buy these laptops and these screens and then there is no like you know I don't 330 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:19,240 have the cable I don't have that it's all the same so people can just connect 331 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:23,680 and it's uniform you know some people don't like uniformity I understand that 332 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,780 but here it's for productivity for just making it just easier for the whole 333 00:22:26,780 --> 00:22:30,480 company to work that's that's very good approach all right so shall we take a 334 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:35,960 break right now and yeah right so now office podcast is sponsored by nosbe the 335 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,480 fastest way to down a task based a sync communication app for personal family 336 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,720 family and business use. 337 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,440 Let's hear what our customers say about Nozbeam. 338 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:56,440 We tried different project management tools for the first couple years when I was with the organization I currently am, CCMA. 339 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:06,440 And then we realized that we just need really one place where we can communicate, where we can share projects, where we can think in written form, where we can give each other feedback. 340 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:11,440 So we tested a couple different things and eventually we settled with Nozbe teams. 341 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:16,140 And it's been really fun to see the software mature and just get better and better. 342 00:23:16,140 --> 00:23:21,500 The data security, I know the company is totally committed to improving the product. 343 00:23:21,500 --> 00:23:23,820 For us, it's simple. 344 00:23:23,820 --> 00:23:29,200 We have some members of our team who are very tech savvy and some who aren't as tech savvy. 345 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:35,580 So to find one tool that actually is usable for all those is not easy. 346 00:23:35,580 --> 00:23:40,260 We did dabble in a couple of competitors and they were just too much. 347 00:23:40,260 --> 00:23:43,300 You know, too complicated, too many features. 348 00:23:43,300 --> 00:23:49,060 What our team needed was something simple, reliable, trustworthy, something that was 349 00:23:49,060 --> 00:23:52,780 fun and attractive and enjoyable to use. 350 00:23:52,780 --> 00:23:55,660 And so Nozomi Teams has really fit for us. 351 00:23:55,660 --> 00:23:57,920 It's met that sweet spot. 352 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:58,920 It's reasonable. 353 00:23:58,920 --> 00:23:59,920 We're a nonprofit. 354 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:01,580 And so the price is right. 355 00:24:01,580 --> 00:24:02,740 It's easy to add members. 356 00:24:02,740 --> 00:24:04,100 I just added somebody yesterday. 357 00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:05,620 It was no big deal. 358 00:24:05,620 --> 00:24:08,860 You know, I think I went to the five person plan to six. 359 00:24:08,860 --> 00:24:09,900 It was not a big deal. 360 00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:12,900 So that's nice because it's flexible for us. 361 00:24:12,900 --> 00:24:15,360 It just gives us a place to park everything, 362 00:24:15,360 --> 00:24:17,240 and it works for us. 363 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,740 So we don't want to be emailing within our team. 364 00:24:21,740 --> 00:24:25,440 We're not perfect at that, but we want to cut down on that. 365 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,440 We want to cut down on interruptions during the day. 366 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,600 And so I'll try anything 367 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,520 that will help accomplish those two things. 368 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:36,560 So for us, Nozbe Teams really fits that need 369 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,060 that we have as a small team. 370 00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:45,020 And we're back and that's the time we will geek out. 371 00:24:45,020 --> 00:24:46,020 Yes. 372 00:24:46,020 --> 00:24:51,300 Because there was an Apple event, our favorite company event, they announced some stuff. 373 00:24:51,300 --> 00:24:57,100 I'm not buying anything from these announcements, but I'm still excited about them. 374 00:24:57,100 --> 00:25:05,780 So maybe let's talk about it for five, ten minutes and then we can jump to what we have 375 00:25:05,780 --> 00:25:11,060 recently changed in our setups and how it connects with all this hybrid work approach. 376 00:25:11,060 --> 00:25:15,780 Exactly, because really today our setups, our home office setups, will be very connected 377 00:25:15,780 --> 00:25:19,500 to the subject of hybrid work. So stay with us with that. 378 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:26,980 Yes, and also to the subject kind of about new stuff that Apple showed us, because you 379 00:25:26,980 --> 00:25:33,900 were hoping for the new iMac, the new big iMac, but I think it's not going to happen. 380 00:25:33,900 --> 00:25:42,380 I've been using, as you know, in my home office, a 27-inch 5K iMac for the last seven years. 381 00:25:42,380 --> 00:25:49,260 The same iMac. Really, I haven't changed a computer, my main home office computer, in seven 382 00:25:49,260 --> 00:25:54,540 years. Because for me, the 27-inch iMac is kind of an additional computer to my iPad, because iPad is 383 00:25:54,540 --> 00:26:01,820 my main work device. And I just liked the 27-inch screen, retina 27-inch screen, where I could just 384 00:26:01,820 --> 00:26:05,900 put things it's a very good reference point and it's a good you know thing to 385 00:26:05,900 --> 00:26:10,700 have so yeah this was my I was hoping that after the 24 inch iMac was 386 00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:14,580 launched last year they will just upgrade 27 inch also with new design 387 00:26:14,580 --> 00:26:21,460 also with you know the M1 processor M1 max pro ultra whatever in the end 388 00:26:21,460 --> 00:26:26,540 they killed the 27 inch iMac there is no 27 inch iMac they launched a 27 inch 389 00:26:26,540 --> 00:26:33,740 screen. So you can get a 5K 27 inch display, which is great. But also, if you want to have 390 00:26:33,740 --> 00:26:40,340 a computer for the office, you would just need to buy the Mac Studio, the new Mac Studio. 391 00:26:40,340 --> 00:26:42,980 Because it's a Mac for your studio, not for the office. 392 00:26:42,980 --> 00:26:46,660 Exactly. It's a Mac for your studio. And because I don't have a studio, I have an office, it 393 00:26:46,660 --> 00:26:50,160 doesn't fit. 394 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:58,960 So they launched the 27-inch display with a Mac Studio display and then the computer 395 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:03,500 with the super ultra fantastic very fast processor. 396 00:27:03,500 --> 00:27:09,520 Actually the studio display is what many users were asking Apple for years and they are very 397 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:14,580 happy right now because it's what they wanted. 398 00:27:14,580 --> 00:27:25,180 the same screen which iMac had, but just the display that you can connect to your Mac Mini, to Mac Studio or to Macbook. 399 00:27:25,180 --> 00:27:33,180 Yeah, I'm still kind of sad that my 27-inch iMac is going away and the one that I have has very good display. 400 00:27:33,180 --> 00:27:36,580 It has some image retention issues, but apart from that it's a pretty good display. 401 00:27:36,580 --> 00:27:41,880 But I cannot use it as a display. It's impossible to change it to just a display. 402 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,520 So I will have to sell it with the display. 403 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:50,520 And yeah, that's, so I think, I think people are skeptical. 404 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,440 You know, some people just like me initially were sad, 405 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,240 but I think in the grand scheme of things they did right. 406 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,600 I mean, if you need an all-in-one, get the 24 inch. 407 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,300 It's big enough. 408 00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:04,080 It's beautiful, beautiful. 409 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,280 So if you need it for reception, 410 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,880 for like for all these other things that you really need 411 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,040 a nice fancy all-in-one, get a 24 inch. 412 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,600 It's great and it has an M1 processor, it's plenty fast, it's a great computer. 413 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,640 So, and it is colorful, really, so many colors. 414 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,480 So it's a good thing. 415 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,640 But for professional use, it's actually better and more modular to have the computer and 416 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,640 the screens. 417 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:32,160 And of course, Apple was supposed to launch a screen many years ago because they have, 418 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,280 just like you have, the 14-inch or the 16-inch MacBook Pros which were asking for an additional 419 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:43,760 and people had to figure out screen situations just like you did, because there was no other 420 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:51,280 option from Apple. Yes, that's true. And now with this change, iMac finally is the computer that 421 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:57,600 it was launched originally in the 90s or in 2000? No, the first iMac in the 90s, yes. In the 90s, 422 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:04,800 yeah. And it was the consumer line computer, yeah? And with years, it became like consumer plus 423 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:12,800 professionals. So prosumer. And yeah, and we even had iMac Pro, which is kind of the same 424 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:20,000 four factor, but some better cooling, etc. And now they don't compromise on this anymore. 425 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:28,800 They just gave what really these people like that has studios really want because this, I think this 426 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:36,320 modular approach is much better and you can have a nice display and update a computer to this display 427 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:44,800 after a couple of years. Exactly. So Rafa, my question to you, because you got the MacBook Pro 428 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:50,640 when the MacBook Pros launched and you needed a display for that. You figured out a solution, 429 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,840 as we discussed in the previous episodes, so aren't you tempted to get the 430 00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,880 Mac Studio Display? Not at all. Why not? Not at all, Michael. Because like I was afraid that I 431 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:07,760 if I decide to buy some display before Apple announced they own display dedicated to those 432 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:14,240 MacBooks I will be sad but after the conference after having my new display right here for half 433 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:20,400 the price of studio display I'm really good because yeah 5k is really nice for 27 inch 434 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:27,600 Display, but you really don't need it? Like, okay, there will be some group of people who really need this 435 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:36,080 Pixel density, but I have my display like I don't know 60 centimeters away from my from my eyes 436 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:41,520 So you don't need pixel density to be so high at iPhone or iPad level 437 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:41,780 Yeah 438 00:30:41,780 --> 00:30:49,220 The font the image is really sharp with 4k at 27 or even 32 inch which which option I finally 439 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:58,160 chosen because now I have 4k Philips Momentum 32 inch display which is I will add a podcast 440 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:07,440 chapter so you can see it yeah and it is it is really nice really big I have plenty of space to 441 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:15,040 put even like six apps side by side I still have some place to grab files from the desktop and the 442 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,560 The image is really sharp. 443 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,480 I don't see any pixels. 444 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:19,720 My eyes are fine. 445 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,880 And I'm really glad I bought this 446 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,120 because I wanted to have one display 447 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,380 that I can connect to my MacBook, 448 00:31:28,380 --> 00:31:32,520 but also to my PlayStation for fun, for gaming. 449 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,240 And this screen supports a high refresh rate. 450 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,080 - Yes. 451 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,080 - 120 Hertz via HDMI 2.1. 452 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:45,000 And I have it connected via HDMI 2.5, 2.1 with. 453 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:52,000 PlayStation 5, but also it supports 120Hz 4K via USB-C to my MacBook. 454 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:59,000 But what I've learned by using it, it's when you have the display that far away from your eyes, 455 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:05,000 you really don't notice the difference that much between 60Hz and 128Hz. 456 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:15,800 So, yeah, because when I have 128Hz via USB-C to my MacBook, the USB-A hub that is built into this display, 457 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:24,000 I have four USB-A ports and I'm using all of them, are USB 2.0 if I choose 128Hz. 458 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:29,000 If I switch to 4K 60Hz, now they are USB 3.0. 459 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:36,680 and I need 3.0 bandwidth to connect this camera so it doesn't have a lag and to connect my ethernet 460 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:44,280 because with USB 2.0 it limits it to 300 megabits per second and I have one gigabit 461 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:49,720 bandwidth so yeah and it has ambiguous lights as you can see in the picture 462 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:55,640 so it looks really nice and yeah and I love it. I mean the display comes with these lights? Yes 463 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:02,120 it has it built in. Cool. Yeah, it's Philips. Like I have a Philips, Philips, you know, TV screen, 464 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:07,080 and with Ambilight and it's glorious. It's perfect for watching, you know, for watching Netflix and 465 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:12,920 stuff. So, yeah. Okay. So even the monitors have the Ambilight. Nice. Yeah, like gaming monitors 466 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:18,200 are the are the growing market right now. Because it is a gaming monitor, right? Yeah, it is. It is 467 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:25,400 dedicated for gaming. It has not even like Xbox certified something sticker. Okay. 468 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:26,840 - Okay. 469 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,240 - So yeah, yeah, and the gaming, and it has HDR. 470 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,280 So the screen is really bright, 471 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,840 but I use it only for gaming because for office work, 472 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,960 it would burn my eyes if I use it for office work. 473 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:42,920 Yeah, I really like it. 474 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,080 I've set it for, for scaled mode. 475 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:51,080 So I have screen real estate is 3008 pixels per 1692. 476 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,720 It's exactly, the screen in your state is exactly the same 477 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,640 as on 6K Apple XDR display. 478 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,880 - Wow. - So yeah, and I love it. 479 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,780 And recently we discovered this rectangle app 480 00:34:06,780 --> 00:34:08,760 that is open source app to manage windows. 481 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,320 So we have the keyboard shortcuts. 482 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,920 You can put the windows into Apple left corner 483 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,960 in the center, et cetera, et cetera. 484 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,520 There are many options and it, yeah, it works great. 485 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,200 Plus, which is really nice to talking about windows 486 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,040 and resizing them, Nozbe app and Nozbe web app 487 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,440 and beta Mac app is responsive right now. 488 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:28,280 - Yes. 489 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,280 - So you can really have a small narrow window 490 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,200 of your own one task or only on priority list 491 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,280 for your focus work. 492 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,040 And that's really nice when you want to have many windows 493 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,280 in the screen. 494 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,120 That's how it looks like right now. 495 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,840 And I think that's the way to go 496 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,080 because it is half of this monitor costs 497 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,100 half the price of studio display. 498 00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:52,740 So actually with the price of Studio Display, 499 00:34:52,740 --> 00:34:56,260 I could buy two of them, one for home office 500 00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:59,380 and second to other office if I had one. 501 00:34:59,380 --> 00:35:02,960 - Yeah, especially for your usage, 502 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,700 when you want to use this screen for both work and play 503 00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:10,460 because you want to connect the PlayStation and stuff. 504 00:35:10,460 --> 00:35:12,780 So with Max Studio Display, this wouldn't be possible. 505 00:35:12,780 --> 00:35:14,220 You wouldn't be able to do it like this. 506 00:35:14,220 --> 00:35:15,380 - It would be possible. 507 00:35:15,380 --> 00:35:16,940 I could connect PlayStation 5, 508 00:35:16,940 --> 00:35:20,780 but I wouldn't get 128 hertz. 509 00:35:20,780 --> 00:35:24,060 Yeah, and I would need a special cable for it and et cetera. 510 00:35:24,060 --> 00:35:26,240 - Yeah, and also you would have to actually plug 511 00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:27,700 and unplug the cables and stuff, right? 512 00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:28,980 Like you wouldn't be able to do it. 513 00:35:28,980 --> 00:35:31,680 - Yes, yes, because there's only one input, yeah? 514 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,220 The other three ports are USB-C, 515 00:35:34,220 --> 00:35:36,580 and they are only for USB hub, yeah. 516 00:35:36,580 --> 00:35:38,380 - Exactly, so actually for user use case, 517 00:35:38,380 --> 00:35:40,680 this monitor is better than the MaxLitre display, 518 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:41,700 and it's half the price. 519 00:35:41,700 --> 00:35:43,860 - Yeah, but to be fair, it takes, 520 00:35:43,860 --> 00:35:56,860 When I grab my MacBook and put it on the plate next to the monitor and connect monitor, it takes like 2-3 seconds to pop up the Mac OS on this big display. 521 00:35:56,860 --> 00:35:59,860 In MacStudio Display, it's just instant. 522 00:35:59,860 --> 00:36:05,860 That's true. There is no argument that the MacStudio Display has some really nice, cool Apple features. 523 00:36:05,860 --> 00:36:12,860 It is, I'm sure, designed nicer than your screen because it's all aluminum, it's very, very beautiful. 524 00:36:12,860 --> 00:36:20,140 Also, it works perfectly with the Max, so it's totally. 525 00:36:20,140 --> 00:36:24,520 But on the other hand, the price is okay-ish. 526 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,460 It's not very expensive, but it's also not very cheap. 527 00:36:28,460 --> 00:36:36,460 It's still $1600, so it's pretty steep for a screen. 528 00:36:36,460 --> 00:36:38,760 So I was actually going to order it. 529 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:39,760 And what happened? 530 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:40,760 I placed my order. 531 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:41,760 Oh, you even placed your order? 532 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:42,760 Yeah, I placed my order. 533 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:49,320 with my reseller, but then when my reseller said that I have to pay now for the thing 534 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:55,840 to order, and I was like, "Ah, no." So what happened was that I figured out that I have 535 00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:03,800 a good 4K 27-inch screen, the one that my wife was using, and I can get her actually 536 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:10,000 a 28-inch 4K display that will be compatible with her crappy Windows laptop that she got 537 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:17,240 from the office and for her it would be the same and one inch more actually of the screen 538 00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:22,100 estate so for her it would be the same anyway and for me the the the display that she had 539 00:37:22,100 --> 00:37:29,240 it's a it's a 4k LG display which cost me like $500 I think and it it charges the laptop 540 00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:33,660 from USB C and it doesn't charge her laptop from USB C because her laptop is a Windows 541 00:37:33,660 --> 00:37:39,540 laptop and oh yeah I'm sorry for crapping on Windows to this this much but there is 542 00:37:39,540 --> 00:37:48,100 a difference really. Like, her laptop is not retina display. After being in the Mac, I 543 00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:53,300 wouldn't be able to work on this thing. I'm too posh for that right now anymore. Just 544 00:37:53,300 --> 00:37:57,680 kidding. But I'm just used to the retina screen. And what happened to me is that I actually 545 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:06,500 had an M1 MacBook Air, which I didn't have, because I ordered it a year ago, and I rented 546 00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:14,300 it to Raju, my podcast co-host, because he had his old MacBook Pro and he was waiting 547 00:38:14,300 --> 00:38:15,680 for the M1 MacBook Pro. 548 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,920 And in the meantime, he wanted to do some work on M1 processors to make sure that everything 549 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,380 that we do at Nozbe works with M1. 550 00:38:22,380 --> 00:38:26,160 So he borrowed from me and he didn't want to give it back. 551 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,720 And finally, he gave it back when he got the 14-inch MacBook Pro, just like you did. 552 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:37,200 And I visited him in his home and I got my MacBook Air back. 553 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:42,340 And when I got the MacBook Air back, I was, as everyone else, blown away by the M1 speeds. 554 00:38:42,340 --> 00:38:44,320 Like this computer is just glorious. 555 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,320 It's a MacBook Air. 556 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,820 So it's the least powerful of the Apple laptops. 557 00:38:48,820 --> 00:38:52,120 But it's still, for me, for my use, it's plenty powerful. 558 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,980 It's like I don't need more power. 559 00:38:53,980 --> 00:38:56,680 It has no fans, so it's completely quiet. 560 00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,960 And it just works beautifully, really beautifully. 561 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:02,240 - Yeah, you got some features of your iPad into the MacBook. 562 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:05,280 - Exactly, and of course, with my old iMac, 563 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,480 I couldn't be on the latest Monterey anymore 564 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,380 because my iMac is so old. 565 00:39:09,380 --> 00:39:11,380 And here I'm on the latest Monterey, 566 00:39:11,380 --> 00:39:14,000 so I'm on the latest Mac OS, which is great 567 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,420 because I wanted to be on the latest processor, 568 00:39:17,420 --> 00:39:19,860 sorry, operating systems here. 569 00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:21,560 So I got the MacBook Air, 570 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,640 and then I got the same conundrum, like which screen to get. 571 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,580 And I wanted to be Apple-only setup 572 00:39:27,580 --> 00:39:29,580 to get the Mac studio display. 573 00:39:29,580 --> 00:39:32,160 But when I connected my wife's, 574 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,660 I decided I'm gonna connect my wife's screen first 575 00:39:34,660 --> 00:39:35,900 to see how it works. 576 00:39:35,900 --> 00:39:38,100 And I was blown away, it works very well. 577 00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:40,900 It charges my MacBook Air, it works very well, 578 00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:43,500 it works very fast, it's fantastic. 579 00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:47,180 And the screen, again, I also upscaled it. 580 00:39:47,180 --> 00:39:51,060 I don't have it in Retina 4K, but I have it upscaled. 581 00:39:51,060 --> 00:39:53,780 So basically I get the same screen state that I had 582 00:39:53,780 --> 00:39:55,860 with my iMac anyway. 583 00:39:55,860 --> 00:39:59,180 And I don't see the pixels anyway, so it's fine. 584 00:39:59,180 --> 00:40:00,740 >> Yeah, the font is very sharp. 585 00:40:00,740 --> 00:40:02,380 >> Exactly, so it's fine. 586 00:40:02,380 --> 00:40:05,660 So really in the end, I thought, you know, why? 587 00:40:05,660 --> 00:40:07,300 And I have a very good webcam. 588 00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:10,380 I have the Brio, which I use for normal video conferencing. 589 00:40:10,380 --> 00:40:15,380 And here you can see me, of course, with my super camera, 590 00:40:15,380 --> 00:40:16,220 Sony camera. 591 00:40:16,220 --> 00:40:18,580 But normally I use Logitech Brio, 592 00:40:18,580 --> 00:40:20,500 which is plenty enough webcam. 593 00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:24,780 Actually, it's better webcam than the Maxo display has, 594 00:40:24,780 --> 00:40:26,820 because Logitech is 4K. 595 00:40:26,820 --> 00:40:28,900 So I have the very good webcam. 596 00:40:28,900 --> 00:40:31,380 And the only thing I don't have is very good speakers 597 00:40:31,380 --> 00:40:34,940 'cause the LG monitor speakers are okay-ish. 598 00:40:34,940 --> 00:40:36,740 - But you have a HomePod mini. 599 00:40:36,740 --> 00:40:39,100 - I don't have HomePod mini anymore here in my office, 600 00:40:39,100 --> 00:40:41,180 so I might get it again. 601 00:40:41,180 --> 00:40:43,180 I had to use it for different purpose, 602 00:40:43,180 --> 00:40:44,420 so it's not here anymore. 603 00:40:44,420 --> 00:40:46,180 But HomePod mini can be like a speakers, 604 00:40:46,180 --> 00:40:48,940 like for the Mac, right? 605 00:40:48,940 --> 00:40:50,100 - I think, yeah. 606 00:40:50,100 --> 00:40:51,980 It supports AirPlay, so it should be. 607 00:40:51,980 --> 00:40:53,260 - Okay, I'll check it out. 608 00:40:53,260 --> 00:40:55,880 So anyway, apart from that, everything works. 609 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,300 So I decided to stick with it. 610 00:40:57,300 --> 00:40:59,660 So the only thing to figure out was, 611 00:40:59,660 --> 00:41:01,760 and I'm not gonna bore you with the whole setup, 612 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,940 how to do, like how many hubs, USB hubs I had to figure out 613 00:41:05,940 --> 00:41:08,440 because the MacBook Air has only two ports. 614 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,560 So I had to figure out all these ports 615 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,000 and hubs and everything. 616 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,160 I'm gonna write it up at some point on my blog 617 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,800 for all the curious people how to figure it out. 618 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,840 - Yeah, I saw that you have a hub connected to a hub. 619 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,800 - Exactly, I have a hub connected to a hub 620 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:27,160 And this way, I can use all these two ports 621 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,360 and have full bandwidth everywhere I need. 622 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,360 So for example, the same what you said, 623 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:36,200 to have full bandwidth here for the Sony camera, 624 00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,320 not to have any lag. 625 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,160 And to the ethernet. 626 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,800 And to the ethernet, I have 1 gigabit ethernet thanks to that. 627 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,360 So all these things had to be precisely connected. 628 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,560 But the good thing is I figured it out. 629 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,280 And pretty cheaply, though, I didn't 630 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:55,600 need to buy a fancy $200 or $300 Thunderbolt 4 hub or something like this. 631 00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,640 Actually, pretty cheaply I could figure it out. It works. That's why I can tell you honestly, 632 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:06,320 let's go back to the hybrid work. For me, the best recommendation for people for hybrid 633 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:12,720 mode is get the MacBook Air for your team. The MacBook Air is really great. And unless 634 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:18,840 you're a developer or unless you really need the power of the M1 Pro or M1 Max, MacBook 635 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:24,360 Air, the M1 processor, is fantastic. It's enough for most of the use cases, so get the 636 00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:29,680 MacBook Airs and get them an external screen. And that's it, and you're set. It's fantastic. 637 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,320 So for me, this would be the recommendation. And if you calculate the price, one MacBook 638 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:42,400 Air is $1,000. A good LG 4K is $500. So at one and a half grand, you're actually cheaper 639 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:47,720 than the whole max of the display. So this is my ultimate recommendation for a home office 640 00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:48,720 setup. 641 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:50,440 - So you're now using MacBook Air, 642 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,280 and do you use it only on your desk, 643 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,440 or it happens that you grab it and use it, 644 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:58,520 for example, on your lap instead of your iPad? 645 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,120 - I still prefer to use my iPad for most of the things, 646 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,480 but because I had to do lots of Mac setting up, 647 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,100 so I'm still finishing setting up my Mac, 648 00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:09,080 because I wanted to have everything set up 649 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:09,920 the way I had it. 650 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,800 - Yeah, me too, actually, after almost three months. 651 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,240 (both laughing) 652 00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:17,760 - Yeah, so for that, very often, 653 00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,400 I just take the laptop and just work on the laptop, 654 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,620 somewhere at home. 655 00:43:21,620 --> 00:43:25,740 And I think this is additional mind change for me 656 00:43:25,740 --> 00:43:30,240 because I had the 5K, the iMac, and it was great. 657 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:33,440 But the problem with a computer like this is first, 658 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,380 you have to have a kind of power management thing, 659 00:43:37,380 --> 00:43:41,700 so a UPS to make sure that when the electricity dies, 660 00:43:41,700 --> 00:43:45,300 and sometimes it does, that the Mac doesn't die instantly 661 00:43:45,300 --> 00:43:47,460 because the normal computers don't have batteries. 662 00:43:47,460 --> 00:43:49,620 So the Mac dies in the same moment. 663 00:43:49,620 --> 00:43:53,500 So you have to have the power thing handled. 664 00:43:53,500 --> 00:43:55,740 When you have a laptop, laptop doesn't die. 665 00:43:55,740 --> 00:43:57,260 It has batteries. 666 00:43:57,260 --> 00:44:00,260 Actually, right now, because I'm using the Sony camera, 667 00:44:00,260 --> 00:44:03,260 and because I'm using this external display, 668 00:44:03,260 --> 00:44:05,060 a small external display, 10-inch display 669 00:44:05,060 --> 00:44:09,060 in the teleprompter, I had to unplug my main 4K display. 670 00:44:09,060 --> 00:44:13,260 So I'm running off the battery of the MacBook Air, 671 00:44:13,260 --> 00:44:14,780 and it's running fine. 672 00:44:14,780 --> 00:44:21,780 So the MacBook Air has great battery and the cool thing is that it wouldn't die when you have a power problem. 673 00:44:21,780 --> 00:44:23,620 But additional thing, what you just said. 674 00:44:23,620 --> 00:44:27,980 Sometimes you just want to grab the laptop and work from a different place. 675 00:44:27,980 --> 00:44:32,100 Just sit by the kitchen counter and just go through things. 676 00:44:32,100 --> 00:44:34,220 Organize your files, whatever. 677 00:44:34,220 --> 00:44:38,820 And for that, you cannot take your iMac with you. 678 00:44:38,820 --> 00:44:41,980 It's basically soldered to your home office. 679 00:44:41,980 --> 00:44:49,020 but when you have a laptop it's more flexible. I think in the end I am going to be a convert to just 680 00:44:49,020 --> 00:44:57,580 this, you know, laptop plus a screen lifestyle instead of having a big 27 inch computer all in 681 00:44:57,580 --> 00:45:03,980 one or whatever. And I don't need the ultra power of the of the Mac Studio computer anyway, so I'm 682 00:45:03,980 --> 00:45:09,420 not tempted at all. And I'm telling you the M1 processor is fine by me, it's for my use, it's more 683 00:45:09,420 --> 00:45:14,060 than enough so there is no need for me to even have the MacBook Pro. I have the MacBook Air and 684 00:45:14,060 --> 00:45:19,740 I'm happy with it. So really in the end I really appreciate this new setup and as I mentioned again 685 00:45:19,740 --> 00:45:24,380 in the hybrid, you know, hybrid app part of our episode this gives you the flexibility that you 686 00:45:24,380 --> 00:45:30,540 can have the laptop which you can use anywhere on your own on a train when you're traveling whatever 687 00:45:30,540 --> 00:45:36,060 but also you can just hook it up to a big screen in your office or at home in your home office and 688 00:45:36,060 --> 00:45:38,060 and you're good to go and you're productive. 689 00:45:38,060 --> 00:45:42,140 And with me, for example, I have this external keyboard as well. 690 00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:46,980 I have my external trackpad, I have my Logitech mouse, 691 00:45:46,980 --> 00:45:50,180 so I have everything here connected so it works perfectly. 692 00:45:50,180 --> 00:45:53,820 I'm not using the laptop keyboard when I'm in my home office. 693 00:45:53,820 --> 00:45:58,100 It's elevated, as you could see in the picture that Rafal showed you. 694 00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:02,980 It's elevated and this way it's more ergonomic, it's higher. 695 00:46:02,980 --> 00:46:07,780 It's right below my teleprompter as you can see on the photo, but it's perfect. 696 00:46:07,780 --> 00:46:09,340 Yeah, I'm a convert, Rafał. 697 00:46:09,340 --> 00:46:14,820 That's nice, but the question is, do you bring your M1 MacBook Air with you to Nosbu reunion? 698 00:46:14,820 --> 00:46:15,820 No. 699 00:46:15,820 --> 00:46:19,700 So iPad still remains your main mobile computer? 700 00:46:19,700 --> 00:46:22,180 Yeah, it's definitely my mobile computer. 701 00:46:22,180 --> 00:46:26,980 And as we mentioned, it's not like on the reunion we're going to get so much work done. 702 00:46:26,980 --> 00:46:28,900 Yes, exactly. 703 00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:32,220 We have plans like one or two hours per day of work. 704 00:46:32,220 --> 00:46:43,620 Yes, exactly. And my iPad is also very versatile. I have all the dongles, for example, to put the screen on the projector and all that stuff. So I really don't need the laptop for that. 705 00:46:43,620 --> 00:46:59,340 And so no, I'm not planning to go with my laptop anywhere. I travel. I still travel with my beautiful 13-inch iPad Pro, and it's still my main mobile device. I mean, it's still my main device, actually. 706 00:46:59,420 --> 00:47:05,700 My laptop in my home office is still my home office computer. 707 00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:12,300 It sometimes leaves the home office here and there, but it's still kind of my local computer. 708 00:47:12,300 --> 00:47:17,700 While my main computer, whenever I get work done, I take the iPad. 709 00:47:17,700 --> 00:47:18,380 This hasn't changed. 710 00:47:18,380 --> 00:47:26,780 Because you know, Federico Vitecci even admitted that he's changing his setup to hybrid setup between MacBook Pro and iPad Pro. 711 00:47:26,780 --> 00:47:28,700 Well, I understand it. 712 00:47:28,700 --> 00:47:35,020 I saw that also other people are doing that, but I don't need that. 713 00:47:35,020 --> 00:47:41,980 I need my laptop, my Mac here to locally download things, to have local copies here, 714 00:47:41,980 --> 00:47:49,420 or local backup, all that stuff. I need that for it. But I don't need it for really getting work 715 00:47:49,420 --> 00:47:54,300 done because I really get my work done. I have everything set up very well on my iPad. I have 716 00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:59,260 my shortcuts. Okay, some of the shortcuts I will migrate to the to the to the Mac of course, 717 00:47:59,260 --> 00:48:05,580 but I have really like I prefer working on the iPad. It's just more joy. It has a touch screen 718 00:48:05,580 --> 00:48:11,660 which I really love. The touch screen is really joy, but yeah, I really want to test this new 719 00:48:11,660 --> 00:48:20,220 universal control. It finally, they finally shipped it to macOS Monterey 12.3 I guess, and I tested it 720 00:48:20,220 --> 00:48:26,540 initially and there are some lags with my Bluetooth mouse and keyboards but it 721 00:48:26,540 --> 00:48:31,980 worked well if I had my MacBook Pro disconnected from external display so 722 00:48:31,980 --> 00:48:37,580 for traveling it would be actually a very nice setup like MacBook Pro plus 723 00:48:37,580 --> 00:48:43,580 iPad mini next to it as additional screen that I can run iPad apps there. 724 00:48:43,580 --> 00:48:47,380 Yeah I haven't to be honest I haven't tried Universal Control yet so I'm gonna 725 00:48:47,380 --> 00:48:54,740 test it today or tomorrow more extensively. Especially that I got a very cool stand for my 726 00:48:54,740 --> 00:49:00,580 iPad. I'm going to show it on the camera. It's a very cool stand. We're going to add it as a 727 00:49:00,580 --> 00:49:06,740 chapter mark in the podcast. It's a very cool stand for the iPad. This way I can use the iPad 728 00:49:06,740 --> 00:49:14,100 also in a vertical way because it works magnetically. I put the iPad, I can put it 729 00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:19,460 horizontal or vertical. And vertical I can just type more and I can use the same 730 00:49:19,460 --> 00:49:23,140 keyboard, external keyboard I have. I have Logitech keyboard and I can just switch 731 00:49:23,140 --> 00:49:26,100 the Bluetooth devices and this way I can just work on the... 732 00:49:26,100 --> 00:49:28,020 You don't have to switch, you can use universal control. 733 00:49:28,020 --> 00:49:33,380 I can use universal control, exactly. So it's even better. That's why I'm going to test it. 734 00:49:33,380 --> 00:49:38,980 I'm going to see how it works. And by the way, one of the things I'm blown away is this 735 00:49:38,980 --> 00:49:40,460 this old Logitech keyboard. 736 00:49:40,460 --> 00:49:43,940 This is a Logitech K760, I think. 737 00:49:43,940 --> 00:49:45,500 Yes, K760. 738 00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:47,420 And it's a solar keyboard. 739 00:49:47,420 --> 00:49:50,120 So it actually charges with the solar, 740 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,900 with sun and with light. 741 00:49:52,900 --> 00:49:56,420 And this keyboard is no longer available for purchase. 742 00:49:56,420 --> 00:49:58,660 And this keyboard is like, I don't know, 10 years old now. 743 00:49:58,660 --> 00:50:02,940 - Yeah, I remember I had this exact keyboard 744 00:50:02,940 --> 00:50:04,580 when I was joining Knowsby. 745 00:50:04,580 --> 00:50:06,060 - And it's glorious, this keyboard. 746 00:50:06,060 --> 00:50:07,540 I'm so happy that I still have it 747 00:50:07,540 --> 00:50:10,260 because it has the Bluetooth switches, 748 00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:13,060 so I can switch to my old iMac still, 749 00:50:13,060 --> 00:50:15,260 which because I'm still transferring data 750 00:50:15,260 --> 00:50:16,100 and all that stuff. 751 00:50:16,100 --> 00:50:17,140 So I can switch to my old iMac, 752 00:50:17,140 --> 00:50:18,560 I can switch to my new Mac, 753 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,140 and I can switch to the iPad if I want to, 754 00:50:20,140 --> 00:50:22,300 and then I will use universal control, 755 00:50:22,300 --> 00:50:24,900 but still I can switch between devices very easily 756 00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:25,980 with this keyboard, 757 00:50:25,980 --> 00:50:27,780 and I have never charged it in my life 758 00:50:27,780 --> 00:50:29,400 because of the solar thing. 759 00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,120 It just charges with the solar. 760 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:34,980 So it's very nice to appreciate some devices 761 00:50:34,980 --> 00:50:37,340 that just last a lifetime, so many years. 762 00:50:37,340 --> 00:50:40,620 Speaking of keyboards, I will have a new keyboard in two months. 763 00:50:40,620 --> 00:50:41,120 Again? 764 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:41,620 Yeah, again. 765 00:50:41,620 --> 00:50:43,120 [laughs] 766 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:48,380 Yeah, I solved the previous one, the previous mechanical keyboard I had. 767 00:50:48,380 --> 00:50:51,140 Now I use my old Microsoft card ergonomic. 768 00:50:51,140 --> 00:50:53,140 But yeah, let's leave it for now. 769 00:50:53,140 --> 00:50:55,340 I will talk it in two months. 770 00:50:55,340 --> 00:50:55,840 Okay. 771 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,540 That will be a surprise. 772 00:50:57,540 --> 00:51:00,540 All right, so I think we can wrap up this episode. 773 00:51:00,540 --> 00:51:01,940 Guys, thanks for listening. 774 00:51:01,940 --> 00:51:04,540 And remember that what day is tomorrow, Michael? 775 00:51:04,540 --> 00:51:05,420 It's Friday. 776 00:51:05,420 --> 00:51:07,500 Yes, so make it mighty fly day. 777 00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:10,360 Do your weekly review plan priorities for next week 778 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,540 and spend the rest of the day off 779 00:51:12,540 --> 00:51:15,180 on learning something new, some new skills, 780 00:51:15,180 --> 00:51:20,180 or test the tools you are using for day-to-day work, 781 00:51:20,180 --> 00:51:23,580 explore new features, for example, 782 00:51:23,580 --> 00:51:25,300 and have a great weekend. 783 00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:26,460 If you enjoyed this episode, 784 00:51:26,460 --> 00:51:28,740 please help support this podcast 785 00:51:28,740 --> 00:51:30,860 either by sharing it with a friend 786 00:51:30,860 --> 00:51:33,780 or leaving us a nice review in Apple Podcast. 787 00:51:33,780 --> 00:51:37,640 or the best thing you can do is to check out our Nozbe app. 788 00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:38,680 That's it for today. 789 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:39,880 Say goodbye, Michael. 790 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,280 - And if you go to fridayisfree.com, 791 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,180 you will be redirected to our Nozbe website, 792 00:51:44,180 --> 00:51:46,560 where you'll learn all about Mighty Fridays, 793 00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,720 also how to do a good weekly review. 794 00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:49,840 So everything is there, 795 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,560 and you'll be able to set up your Nozbe account 796 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:53,200 from there, just right there as well. 797 00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,760 So fridayisfree.com, go there. 798 00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,080 - Yes, and next month, after the reunion, 799 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,440 we will run a product blog about Mighty Fly Days. 800 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:08,800 so we will actually show in our Nozbe accounts how we approach Fridays inside the application. 801 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,600 Alright, so stay tuned. That's it. Goodbye. 802 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:19,600 This episode has not been created in the office, because in Nozbe, there is no office. 803 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,760 Your hosts were Mica Stravinsky and Rafa Sobolevski. 804 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:27,320 All the links and show notes you can find on nooffice.fm/38. 805 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:32,520 The whole production process of this episode has been coordinated in a project in the Nozbe app. 806 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:36,360 Work is not a place to go, it is a thing that you do. 807 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:40,440 Thank you and see you in two weeks. Remember to have a mighty Friday! 808 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,020 (upbeat music) 809 00:52:43,020 --> 00:52:45,600 (upbeat music) 810 00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,180 (upbeat music) 811 00:52:48,180 --> 00:52:50,760 (upbeat music) 812 00:52:50,760 --> 00:53:00,200 Bye!