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You are listening to the USDN on the

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DFPN.

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I'm sorry.

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what is up everybody it's the chairman of

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the united states department of nerds

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where we are for the people by the

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people and of the people and tonight we're

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going from the editor's chair to the

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creator's desk

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We're joined by Michael J. Williams,

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a comic writer, editor, screenwriter,

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and one of the most quietly influential

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figures in indie comics today,

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who has credits at Advent Comics,

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Grop Comics, Champion Comics,

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Alter Ego Arts, Super Serious Comics,

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Mozzie Productions,

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And as editor-in-chief at Ink Studios,

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Michael has helped shape over forty

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crowdfunding campaigns contributing to

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projects tied to Wesley Snipes, Austin St.

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John the Red Ranger,

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and justin gray from creator owned worlds

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like wild ani and iron jaguar to host

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in comics and pop-tarts and it better be

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cookies and cream pop-tarts that's the

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only pop-tart that ever should be talked

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about michael bridges creation curation

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and community and tonight we're breaking

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it all down michael welcome to the podcast

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my dude i appreciate you mr chairman thank

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you so much for having me man

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Hey, no, welcome on, man.

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I know we were talking beforehand about a

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lot of stuff and I got a nice

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little show planned out for us.

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So let's dive into it, man.

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Let's dive in.

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So you wear a lot of hats.

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Yeah.

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Writer, editor, screenwriter.

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What came first and what pulled you into

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comics originally?

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So the ideal dream was never comics

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initially.

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It was the silver screen.

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I watched a lot of movies, TV shows,

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cartoons growing up.

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I was always a vivid storyteller during

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playtime.

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I wish I would have kept the journal.

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It probably would be a book in its

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own right.

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um every toy in my room had a

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role and uh when i noticed that i

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could write about fourteen i wrote a small

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fantasy series based on a mystical set of

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armor called the armor of aldalon and um

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i put writing down for a little while

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until uh i had kids got married later

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in my late twenties i i decided to

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go into game design

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I know it's a far left from telling

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stories.

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It's a huge far left.

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Yeah.

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So I was at a camp.

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But you're still telling a story though.

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Yeah.

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So I thought,

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so I thought I would be able to

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tell stories up until,

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I think it was after assets right before

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programming.

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We had a class on visual storytelling that

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let us play with some of the

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physics and unity and in that class one

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of the big things highlighted in bold on

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one of the notes one of the assignments

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was if you plan on telling story in

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video games game design is not the program

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for you i wish they would have told

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me that year one um

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So I had a small family tragedy and

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my grandma passed away.

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I had hurt my shoulder at work and

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I was kind of caught in between.

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What do I want to keep on telling

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stories?

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Or what do I want to keep on

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doing game design?

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Or do I want to tell stories?

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So I swapped from game design to creative

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writing for entertainment.

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And I'm like, cool, new journey.

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We'll finish this program,

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get my bachelor's.

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I moved to California,

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my native hometown of Orange County.

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San Clemente,

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where I was born in eighty eight.

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COVID happened, unfortunately, of course,

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that that uprooted a lot of things,

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including raising a family in California.

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And then the economic side of it was

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just too expensive.

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And I know,

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I know from reading lots of articles

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through Washington Post and New York

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Times,

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a lot of the bigger ones that talk

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about kind of the movie and entertainment

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industry that it's really hard to raise a

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family and come up as a starting writer

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for screen.

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I never gave up on that dream, though.

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So I dive right into the master's degree

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program the year I graduated with my

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bachelor's.

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I finished in twenty twenty one during my

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bachelor's degree program,

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rolling it back.

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I had a class with Roland Mann.

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Roland Mann is an artist in his own

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right.

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Worked on Catwoman back in the day.

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Did a lot of the Marvel tops.

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He runs Silverline Comics now.

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But my class with him taught me how

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to write comics.

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Taught us how to letter and work the

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programs.

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And I was kind of

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kind of starry-eyed,

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and then also super mysteriously and

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somewhat inspired to know more.

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So I kept doing that for a while,

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got hooked into a writing group,

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and we were trying to make a novel

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happen.

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That didn't work out.

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And then when I finished my master's

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degree program,

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I was kind of in the earlier stages

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of what would become comics and pop darts.

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I was interviewing a creator that I'd met

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in twenty seventeen that I'd interviewed

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for a project.

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And then Anthony was my my first client

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asked me to edit a book called Thirst,

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which is part of Limitless Comics.

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That was my first gig.

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And this was out of nowhere.

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I didn't seek him.

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I wasn't applying for comics jobs.

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I did the editing work on the book.

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Funny enough,

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that book actually coincided with Karen's

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Lady Doorbell as one of the prize covers.

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She's also the co-creator of Blade's

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Daughter.

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marvel okay i thought that was really cool

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that didn't happen until years later but

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it's it's a nice it's a nice go

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back and look that your name is stacked

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next to someone of that caliber i will

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say that run was really good though i

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don't read a lot of marvel but blade's

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daughter and also the um what was it

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the um

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red band additional blade what that

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featured his daughter yeah was top-notch

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stuff the bloodline series was probably

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one of blade's best series since probably

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like like if he'll just keep slaying

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vampires i'd read blade all day long

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It's when they like throw, I mean,

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some of his Defenders stuff and cameo

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appearances and Midnight Suns and all

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that.

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Yeah, Midnight Suns.

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That wasn't too bad,

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but anything outside of Blade's normal

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atmosphere,

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aside from the Deadpool and Wolverine

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movie, it's just,

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he gets B-rated so bad compared to like

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Spider-Man or Iron Man or anything like

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that.

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Yeah.

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But after that first initial comic,

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we worked together for a long time and

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I was trying to figure out ways to

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to kind of help his comic studio get

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get a little bit more renowned.

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And that's when I dived into like the

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podcast setting.

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And then after that, man,

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I just started talking to creators.

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And Comics of Pop Tarts was born.

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And from that,

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I ended up getting approached by the

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gentleman at Ink Studios.

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And then he asked me to be a

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copy editor.

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I did some work for him.

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Then he asked me to be editor-in-chief.

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And then that's when the crowdfunding

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stuff.

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And once that came into play,

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I had access to...

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Indie people all the time and I just

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pick their brain invite them on shows.

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We do interviews and from that I got

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a few jobs here and there I answered

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a few submissions like at grok for some

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of the shorter stories Like one last year

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published with meltdown press It was a

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fairy story in the house of haunts.

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Um I'd have to get you his name

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Uh,

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he's running for office in his hometown

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right now.

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But yeah, man.

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Um, so when the wild ain't it?

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Yeah,

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it's like one thing went from another

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thing to another thing all because of...

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In Grok Comets,

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the reason why you're sitting here now is

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because we have a mutual friend that works

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also on Grok Comets.

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Oh, yeah, Matthew just so.

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He did editing for Bill for a long

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time.

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It's not working for him right now,

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but he did do some fantastic things with

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Black Cobra on his way out before he

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did the episode with you on his new

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book.

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I'm about to have him back on.

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Him and Raymond will be on here soon

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to discuss their newest Kickstarter that

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will be starting here soon as well.

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Awesome.

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So he's becoming a repeat offender over

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here at the USDN.

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And we're not mad at him.

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We love having him on.

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He's a great brain to pick for anybody

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out there.

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Yeah.

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He's very knowledgeable about early comic

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year stuff.

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I loved working with him.

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We worked great together.

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He gave me lots of great notes.

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He learned some stuff from me.

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He actually got me a job.

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Someone had approached him from WKTJ

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Collectibles,

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and they wanted him to write, well,

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they pitched him to write a comic series,

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a parody about Sesame Street versus the

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Muppets.

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And he's like, I don't I don't know,

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Mike.

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So he reached out to me and he's

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like, I really want to,

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but I don't know if I'm equipped to

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write this.

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But I know you love to write stuff.

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And so I ended up writing this.

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It's called The Muppets Got Talent.

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This is the best.

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You can go to WKTJ on Facebook and

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order any one of these.

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Yeah.

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Hard to see.

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I'll send you a picture of it.

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But yeah.

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Yeah.

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But that was just wild how things pinball

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from one event to another and you meet

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someone and they tell someone else and all

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these things happen.

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The Ink Studios ride was kind of a

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really cool thing because it gave me some

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professional credits.

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We got to work on Bigfoot Moonshine and

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that was through Image Comics.

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And that was a what,

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an early two thousands thing there?

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Oh, the Bigfoot moonshine.

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Or is that more recent?

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No, it sounds familiar.

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I just can't place the year on it.

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Yeah.

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So I think I think it started in

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twenty twenty two and it was coming.

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It's either twenty twenty two or twenty

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twenty three.

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And it finally came together at the end

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of twenty twenty five.

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To his credit, though,

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Howard was releasing digital files like

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Exile did with Lawson up until they got

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to the point where they can print and

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send it off.

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But it was a great series.

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It also led me to have a real

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good friendship with Austin St.

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John, who's coming to Biloxi in February,

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the fourteenth and fifteenth.

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We talked off and on.

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I loved his comic Redemption.

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I've been trying to get me.

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I've been trying to talk him into hiring

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me on helping him finish it.

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We'll see.

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That's the I thought Boom Studios was

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working on that one.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I'm not sure.

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I haven't gotten any updates.

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I think I went about six months without

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talking to him.

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He's got really busy with...

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He's been having...

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His con schedule has been out of the

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world.

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Yeah, it's his con schedule,

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and he's been working really hard with

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FanWord to build that platform.

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It's a subscription-based platform where

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you get to interact with him and the

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original Black Ranger and a few other

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actors.

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Yeah,

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I did see the big announcement they did

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for that, and also seeing the...

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It was like a forty or forty-five minute

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show...

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they did on youtube that just kind of

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explained their experience and what they

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went through while working on power

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rangers which i thought was a really

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really great thing they did to kind of

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tell people how it was working in those

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in that time frame so

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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But a lot of that stuff happened the

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way it did,

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so other cool things could happen,

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like Jason coming back as the Gold Ranger

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I thought was a really great homage.

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And then the other episode he did with

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Ultimate Red where all the Red Rangers

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came back.

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which is one of my favorites because they

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had the old, damn, what was the name?

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The Kamen Rider costumes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That were actually the evil ones in the

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Beetleborgs series that had nothing to do

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with Power Rangers at all.

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Hey,

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you gotta cut corners and save money where

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you can, man.

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Yeah, no,

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it was cool to see them all there,

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though.

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It was a great episode.

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Yeah,

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just flashback to the nineties there, man.

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I love it.

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But yeah, I got sucked in.

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I didn't ask.

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Comics is a profession I didn't ask for,

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but

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Once I got asked to come into it,

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it became an inspirational thing.

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I got to meet so many people with

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so many ideas, concepts, stories,

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and everybody was working so diligently

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and putting their all in on it that...

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that i just kind of fell in love

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with the concept and it's still remotely

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similar to screenwriting if not even more

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visually and impactful than screenwriting

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based on some of the uh the techniques

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to the comic script style if you study

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into it like i got really deep into

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the way that brian michael bendis writes

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his stuff so much so that i bought

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a lot of the comics that have

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the screenplays that they made the artwork

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with in the back.

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And I've studied that.

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That's kind of helped format my technique

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and improve upon that.

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But that also allowed me to help others

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as an editor from the editor's chair on

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conceptualizing story,

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understanding your characters so that you

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can progress with them,

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how to come up with obstacles and

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conflicts that make sense and actually

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challenge your characters.

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I think a lot of indie comics that

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I've come across, not too many,

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but some of the more amateurish ones that

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we all still support,

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where they fall flat is the obstacles just

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aren't realistic.

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and they don't really challenge your

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characters enough.

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So being able to write, edit,

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and then the background on my degree side,

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along with the marketing that I got to

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experience,

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allows me to do a lot from the

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editor's chair when I'm in that position.

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That's been an absolute joy because I get

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to help people grow

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And they get paid to read comics while

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helping them improve their product.

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Dude, that's my favorite part of this,

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man,

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is getting to read comic books and meeting

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creators and sometimes getting to put my

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eyes on comics before they hit the

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Kickstarter or before

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you know they get to come to life

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elsewhere and whether they're completed or

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halfway completed or you know like i have

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a bruno catarina on tomorrow one of his

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best-selling covers that he did was uh i

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did i threw at him while we were

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like in the middle of a show and

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then like you know what this cover right

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here would be great as a virgin

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strip it down just give us the art

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underneath it and i'm like i'll personally

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buy one that's for sure it was like

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yep done and sure enough that was he's

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like dude i've sold so many copies of

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that cover

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Jeff gave me a really good cover for

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mine that actually influenced the story of

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Wild Oni just a tad bit because he

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did such a great job.

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I was like,

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there's no way I'm not putting this in

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the book.

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It's awesome how just the little ideas can

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turn out to be so great.

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But you mentioned Summer Surfer as your

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first comic book you ever read.

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What about that character has stuck with

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you?

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Silver Surfer.

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So this was the reprint.

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I think it was like a ninety three

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or four that I found at a treasure

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hut in Vegas.

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And it had a it had a silver

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copy and I had a gold copy.

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And I just remember from the Pokemon TCG

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collector's brain side of me, I was like,

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I got to have both of these.

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And this is back when comics at Treasure

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Hut were at seventy five cents.

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That's how old we are.

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We were actually.

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But I actually got to reading it and

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it was an interesting story.

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It's a guy who can't go home and

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he sacrificed himself to.

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be the usher of this galactic entity that

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consumed planets and I just remember

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relating to him being trapped in between

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an unnatural force and this ability to

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pick and choose who dies as a kid

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who grew up with lots of childhood trauma

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because I was raised by an alcoholic for

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the majority of my

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younger that that that was very relatable

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quality in characters.

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And I just man, he was pure silver.

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He flew the space time continuum on a

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board.

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I was born in California.

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So even though I didn't get to live

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there most of my life,

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I was still I was still kind of

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like a surfer.

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Yeah.

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And infatuated with dude, bro.

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And the whole surfer lifestyle.

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I grew up like my whole life was

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a dude.

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bro now I can't stand it like that's

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what everybody says to each other now even

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women I'm like do not call him bro

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and you two ladies shouldn't be calling

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each other bro you're not bros you're

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you're bros

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The kids would say,

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you are reaching unk status, man.

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I know, right?

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It's a shame, but I still look good,

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if not better than I did before.

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Hey, just a little grayer, that's all.

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Yeah, just a few in the beard.

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That's why I got it braided.

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Mine was red for about

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a month after I retired.

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And then I woke up one morning and

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it was just like, great.

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I was like, all right,

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I will accept this.

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At least it's not patchy.

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It only grows in here and here,

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you know?

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Yeah,

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you got a good deal going on there.

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I earned all mine,

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so I'm going to keep them in there

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regardless.

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Oh, yeah.

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Even if I wanted to dye it,

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I couldn't do it.

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I tried.

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I tried to dye my hair once.

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And the gray shone out like brighter than

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the dye did.

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So I was just like, all right,

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I'm done.

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I won't ever try that again.

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I'm a fan of all naturals,

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so I'm just going to leave it there.

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But yeah, man,

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that's why I just kind of stuck to

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Silver Surfer.

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Now,

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I didn't read too much up after that

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because I was a big Pokemon nerd and

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took up a lot of my time.

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Let me ask you this.

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Being a Silver Surfer fan,

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how did you feel about the female Silver

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Surfer being in...

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the new Fantastic Four.

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Because I mean, she is a thing.

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It's not like they just pulled it out

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of a hat.

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She is real.

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She is actually in the comic books.

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Not necessarily this storyline they're

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telling, but she is...

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You know, an actual thing.

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Yeah,

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I think I recall later on Silver Surfer's

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journey.

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It was I think it was in a

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what if I can't remember or recall or

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recant the exact issue or, you know,

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run from what year or age.

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that it was done,

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but his wife ends up taking over.

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So I'm a guy who appreciates when they

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do adaptations,

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they actually pull from source material

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and that's actually fact and it's not some

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socioeconomic residual or redundancy that

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they're trying to push now.

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I did have a problem at first until

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I watched the movie during the trailer

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about being more of like a, you know,

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the mother thing and how, you know,

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she needs to get everybody on board to

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save the world.

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But it wasn't until I saw that they

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were having a baby that it really got

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to me because then I got excited because

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Stephen Richards and an Invisible Girls

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kid.

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one of the most powerful characters um it

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is also a protege of dr doom himself

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which which you know if you think about

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end game or you know if you think

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about doomsday coming up says a lot about

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what's to come in the mcu so i

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wasn't mad one bit um i liked i

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liked the the kind of

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I don't know.

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It still felt like Silver Surfer.

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It just wasn't my Silver Surfer because

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they're pulling from different storylines.

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I'm still a fan of the Silver Surfer

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so much.

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Like when the covers used to be the

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actual pressed silver, you know?

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Yeah.

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They did Silver Stable the same way.

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Almost every issue of Silver Stable had

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that pressed silver cover.

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That was a new technique back then for

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printing.

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Everything was getting one of those.

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They abused the crap out of that.

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Image did it too.

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I got a few images of full-on shiny

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covers all around.

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I got a slab of Purgatory

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up there with the uh the red foil

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oh nice the nice red like pressed foil

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too it's in a nine six i don't

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know how it ended up a nine six

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but i'll take a nine six and a

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pressed foil any day of the week because

00:22:19.510 --> 00:22:21.913
i know how hard it is yeah to

00:22:21.952 --> 00:22:23.933
do that because you can't press it you

00:22:23.953 --> 00:22:25.736
can clean it but you cannot press it

00:22:25.756 --> 00:22:27.636
because then you press out the uh the

00:22:27.696 --> 00:22:31.019
stamp in the foil yep so but to

00:22:31.059 --> 00:22:32.941
pull a nine six i'll take that nine

00:22:32.961 --> 00:22:33.561
six any day

00:22:34.001 --> 00:22:34.201
Yeah,

00:22:34.221 --> 00:22:35.702
but I was a fan of the original

00:22:35.742 --> 00:22:37.345
Fox Fantastic Four.

00:22:37.365 --> 00:22:38.444
I thought they did a great job.

00:22:39.105 --> 00:22:41.528
I didn't like the remake in between the

00:22:41.567 --> 00:22:42.868
original Fox ones and that one.

00:22:42.888 --> 00:22:44.068
I thought the Doctor Doom and that one

00:22:44.088 --> 00:22:44.609
was kind of silly.

00:22:44.630 --> 00:22:45.410
I was about to ask you.

00:22:45.430 --> 00:22:46.810
You got to be specific because there was

00:22:46.912 --> 00:22:47.852
one in there that was like...

00:22:50.574 --> 00:22:51.934
And I didn't even have an issue with

00:22:51.954 --> 00:22:56.198
the gender-bending original Flame guy.

00:22:56.218 --> 00:22:56.417
I just...

00:22:57.219 --> 00:22:59.700
The emotions didn't make any sense.

00:22:59.760 --> 00:23:02.241
The romance part was kind of goofy.

00:23:02.342 --> 00:23:03.522
Doctor Doom was goofy.

00:23:03.923 --> 00:23:05.324
They did a pretty good job on the

00:23:05.423 --> 00:23:06.544
SFX thing,

00:23:06.644 --> 00:23:09.026
but it just didn't feel the same, man.

00:23:09.046 --> 00:23:14.348
Anytime Doctor Doom is seen as anything

00:23:14.469 --> 00:23:15.028
other than

00:23:16.130 --> 00:23:19.172
like a hard dude and just like one

00:23:19.192 --> 00:23:21.413
of the smartest men in the world yeah

00:23:21.633 --> 00:23:23.894
then i have i take you know offense

00:23:23.913 --> 00:23:26.615
to that because you know it's freaking dr

00:23:26.674 --> 00:23:29.817
doom like some respect on that shit when

00:23:29.856 --> 00:23:33.118
you say it you know but uh let's

00:23:33.179 --> 00:23:34.919
let's press man because we can sit here

00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:36.859
and talk fantastic for it oh

00:23:38.060 --> 00:23:40.663
moving on how important is it for indie

00:23:40.702 --> 00:23:44.144
creators today to understand maybe not all

00:23:44.184 --> 00:23:46.506
sides of the business but multitudes of

00:23:46.666 --> 00:23:52.130
like facets of the business it is

00:23:52.190 --> 00:23:54.310
imperative kickstarter type stuff because

00:23:54.351 --> 00:23:55.991
they're their own marketers they're their

00:23:56.112 --> 00:23:59.153
own managers when it comes to it you

00:23:59.173 --> 00:24:02.115
know making sure that timelines are being

00:24:02.175 --> 00:24:04.478
hit and communicating with people

00:24:05.915 --> 00:24:08.858
One thing I will say about being a

00:24:08.959 --> 00:24:12.462
traditional graduate from a degree program

00:24:13.163 --> 00:24:15.405
that I have over some of the Indies

00:24:15.546 --> 00:24:18.269
is that you get told early on that

00:24:18.588 --> 00:24:21.152
you have so many paths to publishing,

00:24:21.672 --> 00:24:23.554
there's no wrong or right answer.

00:24:23.673 --> 00:24:25.675
However, you do have to choose a path.

00:24:26.676 --> 00:24:28.397
um it is important for indies to know

00:24:28.438 --> 00:24:30.619
that if they are going to independently

00:24:30.779 --> 00:24:34.563
from the pocket publish create produce

00:24:35.202 --> 00:24:37.344
every aspect of design whether it be

00:24:37.423 --> 00:24:40.967
marketing pre-writing uh pre-writing as in

00:24:41.027 --> 00:24:44.229
like story bibles so your continuity for

00:24:44.449 --> 00:24:45.849
your product you're not just writing

00:24:45.910 --> 00:24:47.550
stories you're making product you have to

00:24:47.570 --> 00:24:48.011
look at it

00:24:48.891 --> 00:24:49.592
Look at it like this,

00:24:49.612 --> 00:24:50.652
and I'll use this analogy.

00:24:51.212 --> 00:24:52.273
In the morning times,

00:24:52.493 --> 00:24:53.375
I run a gas station.

00:24:53.595 --> 00:24:55.036
That's my job outside of comics.

00:24:55.455 --> 00:24:56.356
That's what pays the bills.

00:24:56.856 --> 00:24:58.919
In the morning, I count money,

00:24:59.078 --> 00:25:00.839
but I don't count money as value.

00:25:00.900 --> 00:25:02.300
I count them as individual bills.

00:25:02.340 --> 00:25:04.262
So I have sixty seven twenties going into

00:25:04.282 --> 00:25:04.863
my deposit.

00:25:05.304 --> 00:25:06.444
When you're looking at comics,

00:25:06.464 --> 00:25:08.266
you have to look at the creative side

00:25:08.286 --> 00:25:09.967
and then you have to you have to

00:25:09.987 --> 00:25:10.788
do the business side.

00:25:11.488 --> 00:25:12.567
So you have to look at your comic

00:25:12.607 --> 00:25:13.147
as a product,

00:25:13.208 --> 00:25:14.548
not a story that you created.

00:25:14.588 --> 00:25:14.888
Therefore,

00:25:14.909 --> 00:25:16.848
you have to detach from the overall

00:25:16.868 --> 00:25:18.529
creative bias and stop treating it like

00:25:18.549 --> 00:25:20.630
your baby and think about it in a

00:25:20.690 --> 00:25:22.691
way is how can that baby make me

00:25:22.750 --> 00:25:23.010
money?

00:25:24.951 --> 00:25:26.352
I know that's a horrible way to put

00:25:26.392 --> 00:25:28.832
it because slavery is dead and gone,

00:25:28.912 --> 00:25:30.313
but that's a product.

00:25:30.373 --> 00:25:30.732
It's not.

00:25:30.853 --> 00:25:31.752
It's your story.

00:25:31.813 --> 00:25:32.153
Yes.

00:25:32.553 --> 00:25:35.693
If you drew it, great writer, writer,

00:25:35.814 --> 00:25:37.114
artists are hard to come by,

00:25:37.153 --> 00:25:38.595
but they're out there and they're doing

00:25:38.634 --> 00:25:38.855
great.

00:25:39.444 --> 00:25:41.166
There's a lot of them out there doing

00:25:41.207 --> 00:25:44.109
a lot of great things right now.

00:25:44.369 --> 00:25:45.570
One of the greatest right now, I think,

00:25:45.590 --> 00:25:46.832
in indie is Mr. Fish.

00:25:47.313 --> 00:25:47.932
Mr. Fish Lee.

00:25:47.972 --> 00:25:49.134
If you ever had a chance to get

00:25:49.153 --> 00:25:50.395
him on your show, you ought to.

00:25:50.435 --> 00:25:51.596
He's a gem.

00:25:52.356 --> 00:25:53.117
He's a great dude.

00:25:53.157 --> 00:25:54.019
Loves to help people.

00:25:54.138 --> 00:25:56.121
He's just slamming out there on social

00:25:56.141 --> 00:25:58.784
media, especially with his video content.

00:25:58.804 --> 00:26:00.204
His video content has just gotten

00:26:00.224 --> 00:26:02.086
extraordinarily funny over the years.

00:26:04.249 --> 00:26:05.710
But it's imperative to know the business

00:26:05.750 --> 00:26:05.970
side.

00:26:06.190 --> 00:26:07.471
You have to know what's marketable.

00:26:08.211 --> 00:26:09.372
When you're thinking about writing your

00:26:09.412 --> 00:26:09.992
next story,

00:26:10.012 --> 00:26:11.973
you have to see what's out there selling.

00:26:13.115 --> 00:26:15.557
If you have a universe you're trying to

00:26:15.616 --> 00:26:17.597
build, unfortunately,

00:26:18.117 --> 00:26:19.558
universe buys are kind of dying,

00:26:20.420 --> 00:26:22.080
even though I'm the guilty one trying to

00:26:22.121 --> 00:26:22.681
build my own.

00:26:24.001 --> 00:26:25.542
But that doesn't mean that your stories

00:26:25.583 --> 00:26:26.884
can't sell in that market.

00:26:26.903 --> 00:26:28.805
That just means universe stories,

00:26:28.845 --> 00:26:31.106
especially in the superhero genre,

00:26:31.247 --> 00:26:32.587
are finally becoming niche.

00:26:33.176 --> 00:26:34.357
And it's just not something everybody

00:26:34.417 --> 00:26:34.718
wants.

00:26:34.837 --> 00:26:35.538
Once you know,

00:26:35.598 --> 00:26:37.019
every there's something's killing the

00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:37.820
children came out.

00:26:38.300 --> 00:26:42.284
I mean, you could write a hell.

00:26:42.344 --> 00:26:44.224
Harriet Tubman was a vampire slayer.

00:26:44.266 --> 00:26:45.526
That's that's already been out there.

00:26:45.626 --> 00:26:46.767
That was a good story, though.

00:26:46.787 --> 00:26:48.008
It was a great story.

00:26:48.628 --> 00:26:51.010
Winnie the Pooh stuff is some of that

00:26:51.030 --> 00:26:51.651
Winnie the Pooh stuff.

00:26:51.671 --> 00:26:54.553
Although beneath the trees where nobody

00:26:54.593 --> 00:26:56.454
sees is fantastic.

00:26:56.876 --> 00:26:58.317
That one, that one.

00:26:59.298 --> 00:26:59.618
Yeah.

00:26:59.679 --> 00:27:00.819
So I actually wrote,

00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:02.961
so that one came across the desk when

00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:05.082
I was working with a geek nation.

00:27:05.782 --> 00:27:06.002
I was,

00:27:06.143 --> 00:27:08.223
I was writing like articles and analysis

00:27:08.585 --> 00:27:08.904
comics.

00:27:09.594 --> 00:27:11.075
And that one actually came across the

00:27:11.115 --> 00:27:11.375
pool.

00:27:11.415 --> 00:27:12.076
I picked it out.

00:27:12.135 --> 00:27:13.416
I read it, and I was like, oh,

00:27:13.457 --> 00:27:13.897
my God.

00:27:14.298 --> 00:27:16.259
This is so not appropriate for children.

00:27:16.279 --> 00:27:18.402
But, damn, this story hits different.

00:27:18.422 --> 00:27:18.781
So good.

00:27:18.902 --> 00:27:19.603
So different.

00:27:19.643 --> 00:27:22.224
The twists in there, top-notch writing.

00:27:22.244 --> 00:27:22.684
Dude,

00:27:23.546 --> 00:27:24.707
I don't want to spoil that one because

00:27:24.747 --> 00:27:26.449
I really would like people to go read

00:27:26.469 --> 00:27:27.068
that one, but...

00:27:28.109 --> 00:27:30.592
that so you get the one twist and

00:27:30.612 --> 00:27:33.432
then i if it's the twist i think

00:27:33.452 --> 00:27:35.233
you're talking about yeah i didn't see

00:27:35.253 --> 00:27:37.095
that one coming because she comes out for

00:27:37.115 --> 00:27:39.717
some major vengeance oh yeah nobody sees

00:27:39.737 --> 00:27:41.917
that coming nobody sees that coming at all

00:27:42.038 --> 00:27:43.358
it's just like that's the one that's the

00:27:43.378 --> 00:27:45.359
twist that ends the first issue and i'm

00:27:45.420 --> 00:27:47.201
just like oh my god my head just

00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:49.602
like exploded with i have to know that's

00:27:49.622 --> 00:27:51.262
just yours his too oh yeah

00:27:54.695 --> 00:27:55.356
Go read it, kids.

00:27:55.376 --> 00:27:56.738
You got to find out in what context

00:27:56.758 --> 00:27:57.839
we're talking about exploding.

00:27:58.861 --> 00:28:00.122
But yeah.

00:28:00.142 --> 00:28:00.462
But yeah,

00:28:00.502 --> 00:28:02.365
going back to the creators needing to know

00:28:02.384 --> 00:28:03.586
the business night is absolutely

00:28:03.625 --> 00:28:04.086
imperative.

00:28:04.406 --> 00:28:05.648
It used to be hard,

00:28:06.390 --> 00:28:07.130
but it's really not.

00:28:07.170 --> 00:28:09.133
So you can go to places like Comics

00:28:09.173 --> 00:28:09.813
Experience.

00:28:10.114 --> 00:28:11.055
I'm a graduate of there.

00:28:12.444 --> 00:28:14.165
I took the college writing class.

00:28:14.606 --> 00:28:15.647
So that one's really good,

00:28:15.688 --> 00:28:17.669
and there's also an artist one that's very

00:28:17.749 --> 00:28:19.770
similar to it.

00:28:19.971 --> 00:28:20.171
Okay.

00:28:20.191 --> 00:28:21.432
It's called, I think, Sabe.

00:28:23.493 --> 00:28:24.535
He's an Italian artist.

00:28:24.575 --> 00:28:25.476
He does... Shit,

00:28:25.496 --> 00:28:28.959
I can't think of the name of the

00:28:28.999 --> 00:28:29.599
title right now,

00:28:29.619 --> 00:28:31.141
but he was on the podcast recently,

00:28:31.201 --> 00:28:33.563
and he's a graduate from that art school

00:28:33.682 --> 00:28:37.406
in Italy where they literally teach you to

00:28:37.446 --> 00:28:38.488
draw comics.

00:28:38.607 --> 00:28:38.807
Yeah.

00:28:39.651 --> 00:28:41.852
italian artists are some of the most dude

00:28:42.071 --> 00:28:44.873
insanely talented artists out there was my

00:28:44.913 --> 00:28:47.773
year of discovery when it comes to just

00:28:48.453 --> 00:28:50.233
not not just italian but you know

00:28:50.555 --> 00:28:54.236
canadians and oh yeah you know the uk

00:28:54.256 --> 00:29:00.038
as a whole italian artists um just there's

00:29:00.417 --> 00:29:02.218
so much talent out there in this world

00:29:02.778 --> 00:29:03.519
even so

00:29:05.634 --> 00:29:07.776
Ani Press does a horror series.

00:29:08.676 --> 00:29:12.919
One of their featured writers in one of

00:29:12.959 --> 00:29:14.398
their very first ones.

00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:16.299
That series is done now.

00:29:16.921 --> 00:29:18.541
The next series has taken over.

00:29:19.321 --> 00:29:20.762
But one of their writers in there was

00:29:20.823 --> 00:29:24.664
a Korean kid who wrote this Korean horror

00:29:24.704 --> 00:29:27.226
story for their comic book.

00:29:28.145 --> 00:29:30.688
And I was like, dude, that's amazing.

00:29:30.728 --> 00:29:31.008
Like,

00:29:32.045 --> 00:29:34.946
this young Korean kid just got published

00:29:35.007 --> 00:29:37.847
in an American comic book for just this

00:29:38.188 --> 00:29:40.789
amazing horror story that he wrote that he

00:29:40.829 --> 00:29:42.151
never thought would see the light of day.

00:29:43.506 --> 00:29:44.046
That's awesome.

00:29:44.446 --> 00:29:45.946
And that's really cool because Koreans

00:29:46.027 --> 00:29:48.929
actually have some of the best horror.

00:29:50.088 --> 00:29:51.650
I've been trying to get him on the

00:29:51.690 --> 00:29:52.630
podcast too.

00:29:52.730 --> 00:29:54.691
He's like, oh, my English.

00:29:54.730 --> 00:29:55.531
I'm like, dude,

00:29:55.571 --> 00:29:56.791
you speak English just fine.

00:29:56.811 --> 00:29:57.553
Come on the podcast.

00:29:57.573 --> 00:29:58.633
Let's talk about horror.

00:29:59.292 --> 00:30:01.534
Korean comic books and that kind of stuff.

00:30:02.035 --> 00:30:03.836
Korean cryptids are top notch when it

00:30:03.875 --> 00:30:05.076
comes.

00:30:05.816 --> 00:30:08.798
I put the next Ireland's cryptids.

00:30:09.377 --> 00:30:10.138
Oh, yeah.

00:30:10.358 --> 00:30:12.619
Some of the most gnarly, noxious,

00:30:12.661 --> 00:30:14.741
ghastly beings you'd never want to run

00:30:14.781 --> 00:30:15.061
into.

00:30:15.102 --> 00:30:15.261
Like,

00:30:15.301 --> 00:30:17.483
make Slenderman look like Poppy Playtime.

00:30:17.503 --> 00:30:18.704
Oh, yeah.

00:30:18.724 --> 00:30:19.965
With a balloon, you know,

00:30:19.986 --> 00:30:20.987
and it's not Cousin It.

00:30:21.467 --> 00:30:22.907
He's turning into a little pansy and

00:30:22.948 --> 00:30:23.769
running away from them.

00:30:23.848 --> 00:30:24.588
Yeah.

00:30:24.628 --> 00:30:24.749
Well,

00:30:24.769 --> 00:30:26.851
there's Pokemon based off the Ireland

00:30:26.911 --> 00:30:27.592
version of it.

00:30:28.392 --> 00:30:31.595
Drifloon is actually based off the Irish,

00:30:32.275 --> 00:30:32.955
you know, Fotel.

00:30:33.496 --> 00:30:33.756
Oh, nice.

00:30:33.776 --> 00:30:34.557
Because he steals kids.

00:30:35.905 --> 00:30:36.547
Oh, wow.

00:30:36.567 --> 00:30:36.826
Another.

00:30:37.247 --> 00:30:38.667
Yeah, there's a lot of those cryptids.

00:30:38.688 --> 00:30:40.368
There's a lot of creepy Pokemon out there

00:30:40.388 --> 00:30:42.349
based on real life cryptids from

00:30:42.450 --> 00:30:43.070
countries.

00:30:43.171 --> 00:30:44.491
And Drifloon is one of those.

00:30:44.511 --> 00:30:45.932
He's based off the Irish one that you

00:30:45.972 --> 00:30:47.854
actually just mentioned because he steals

00:30:47.894 --> 00:30:48.294
children.

00:30:48.693 --> 00:30:50.935
You know, Biloxi,

00:30:50.955 --> 00:30:52.656
Mississippi has its own cryptids called

00:30:52.717 --> 00:30:53.336
Lantern Head.

00:30:53.356 --> 00:30:54.597
Yeah, I know.

00:30:55.398 --> 00:30:55.638
Yeah,

00:30:55.659 --> 00:30:58.141
apparently people see like a being just

00:30:58.181 --> 00:30:59.480
walking around with like a head shaped

00:30:59.500 --> 00:31:01.623
lantern and they're not very nice.

00:31:03.708 --> 00:31:05.609
that's crazy people there ain't very nice

00:31:05.630 --> 00:31:08.172
either i'm working at a gas station i

00:31:08.192 --> 00:31:09.753
could tell you that first uh i could

00:31:09.814 --> 00:31:12.936
get it firsthand exactly exactly so what's

00:31:12.957 --> 00:31:15.117
the biggest mistake you see creators

00:31:15.157 --> 00:31:19.001
making before they launch a project

00:31:19.021 --> 00:31:21.163
because i mean you have forty crowdfunding

00:31:21.183 --> 00:31:23.246
campaigns underneath your belt i know

00:31:23.286 --> 00:31:24.066
you've seen a few

00:31:25.414 --> 00:31:27.577
Out of the out of the forty that

00:31:27.637 --> 00:31:28.779
successfully funded,

00:31:28.819 --> 00:31:30.982
we did have over a dozen that failed.

00:31:31.864 --> 00:31:33.605
A lot of it came down to not

00:31:33.646 --> 00:31:34.968
being ready to launch.

00:31:35.669 --> 00:31:37.372
A lot of it came down to and

00:31:37.692 --> 00:31:38.874
and there are a lot of people out

00:31:38.894 --> 00:31:39.234
there,

00:31:39.355 --> 00:31:41.057
including the comics launch creator.

00:31:41.718 --> 00:31:43.238
or the indie comics tribe folk,

00:31:43.278 --> 00:31:44.278
they talk about, you know,

00:31:44.298 --> 00:31:46.199
you got to pre-launch three months out.

00:31:46.898 --> 00:31:47.559
Like if you're not,

00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:50.259
you're not collecting pre-notifications

00:31:50.901 --> 00:31:52.441
and looking at it as a,

00:31:52.540 --> 00:31:54.240
if you get a hundred and thirty people

00:31:54.402 --> 00:31:57.142
to hit launch and notify me at launch,

00:31:57.801 --> 00:32:00.083
then you can't look forward to that thirty

00:32:00.123 --> 00:32:01.743
percent of a hundred and thirty people

00:32:01.943 --> 00:32:02.903
back in your campaign.

00:32:03.763 --> 00:32:05.505
and you only need less than a thousand

00:32:05.545 --> 00:32:06.885
depending on what route you take to

00:32:06.925 --> 00:32:08.467
crowdfund so you're either you're doing

00:32:08.487 --> 00:32:09.867
this one of two ways which is where

00:32:10.028 --> 00:32:11.249
i messed up as well if you want

00:32:11.308 --> 00:32:13.211
to talk about failings look no further

00:32:13.230 --> 00:32:15.853
than wild only i i spent about fifty

00:32:15.873 --> 00:32:17.273
five hundred dollars out of pocket to

00:32:17.334 --> 00:32:19.714
create that first issue had a lot of

00:32:19.855 --> 00:32:23.337
issues uh one my artist uh only got

00:32:23.377 --> 00:32:25.118
internet five days a week because he lives

00:32:25.159 --> 00:32:25.619
on an island

00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:28.480
Um, and then there was a, there was,

00:32:28.500 --> 00:32:29.621
there was a language barrier.

00:32:30.161 --> 00:32:32.481
I ended up having to outsource the rest

00:32:32.541 --> 00:32:34.623
of the book to a company in Texas.

00:32:35.502 --> 00:32:35.883
Uh, that,

00:32:35.962 --> 00:32:38.023
that was a lengthy process that didn't

00:32:38.044 --> 00:32:38.884
lead to a whole lot.

00:32:39.384 --> 00:32:41.065
I wasn't, I wasn't mad about the issue.

00:32:41.125 --> 00:32:41.965
The issue looked great.

00:32:42.806 --> 00:32:44.747
Uh, at the outside of it was, uh,

00:32:44.767 --> 00:32:46.406
I could have just took those initial six

00:32:46.446 --> 00:32:49.188
pages and I could have crowdfunded to make

00:32:49.248 --> 00:32:50.008
the comic book,

00:32:50.167 --> 00:32:51.689
which I didn't know existed at the time.

00:32:52.346 --> 00:32:53.967
because I didn't have the experience under

00:32:53.987 --> 00:32:54.387
my belt.

00:32:54.468 --> 00:32:57.549
But a lot of crowdfundings that were

00:32:57.590 --> 00:33:00.913
successful were those who were prepared.

00:33:01.574 --> 00:33:02.875
They did the three months out.

00:33:03.355 --> 00:33:05.136
They had all their assets in place.

00:33:05.557 --> 00:33:07.278
They did really well at defining what

00:33:07.298 --> 00:33:09.059
their story is and who their characters

00:33:09.099 --> 00:33:09.260
were.

00:33:10.301 --> 00:33:12.403
They had really good stretch goals and

00:33:12.484 --> 00:33:14.626
they didn't have confusing tiers.

00:33:14.968 --> 00:33:16.390
One of the biggest thing with people who

00:33:16.430 --> 00:33:19.574
choose the crowdfunding route are some

00:33:19.614 --> 00:33:20.736
that have just been like,

00:33:20.895 --> 00:33:22.758
I don't know what I'm exactly I'm back

00:33:22.817 --> 00:33:22.959
in.

00:33:23.298 --> 00:33:25.201
So I have to be very specific when

00:33:25.221 --> 00:33:26.083
I'm looking because I want

00:33:27.691 --> 00:33:30.354
the book i don't want the extra stuff

00:33:30.413 --> 00:33:32.576
i'm just looking for this book this cover

00:33:32.635 --> 00:33:34.258
in this thing and sometimes the only way

00:33:34.278 --> 00:33:36.420
to get that book that cover in this

00:33:36.460 --> 00:33:39.163
thing is to get a higher tier of

00:33:39.202 --> 00:33:40.884
something i'm like i don't want the higher

00:33:40.923 --> 00:33:42.006
tier of that i just want

00:33:42.892 --> 00:33:44.133
the book with this cover,

00:33:45.053 --> 00:33:46.212
you know what I'm saying?

00:33:46.232 --> 00:33:46.653
And it's like,

00:33:46.733 --> 00:33:47.993
how do I pick that out?

00:33:48.074 --> 00:33:49.555
Cause everything is so confusing.

00:33:50.494 --> 00:33:51.796
I think, I think a lot of people,

00:33:52.256 --> 00:33:54.557
uh, now that Kickstarter is more mature,

00:33:54.576 --> 00:33:54.856
they've,

00:33:54.896 --> 00:33:56.278
they've added more features and stuff.

00:33:56.597 --> 00:33:58.219
A lot of people get hung up thinking

00:33:58.259 --> 00:33:58.979
that they need,

00:33:59.019 --> 00:34:00.759
like they need stickers and prints and

00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:02.480
they need plushies and key chains.

00:34:02.500 --> 00:34:04.662
I know people who do books and only

00:34:04.701 --> 00:34:07.103
books only in that they will never do

00:34:07.202 --> 00:34:08.782
anything extra, just books.

00:34:09.182 --> 00:34:09.724
And I love that.

00:34:11.083 --> 00:34:12.264
Because it goes back to the kiss, right?

00:34:12.284 --> 00:34:13.744
Keep it simple, sleep it.

00:34:13.804 --> 00:34:14.764
Yeah, keep it simple.

00:34:14.905 --> 00:34:16.164
And some people could.

00:34:16.344 --> 00:34:17.264
They could keep it simple.

00:34:17.304 --> 00:34:18.664
That's kind of where I messed up too

00:34:18.684 --> 00:34:19.365
in my campaign.

00:34:19.425 --> 00:34:20.985
I did more covers than I needed to,

00:34:21.025 --> 00:34:23.445
so my expenses were kind of blown.

00:34:23.786 --> 00:34:25.407
So my recoup budget,

00:34:25.507 --> 00:34:27.047
even though I only raided a little over

00:34:27.086 --> 00:34:27.606
twelve hundred,

00:34:28.067 --> 00:34:30.067
wasn't enough to put everything back into

00:34:30.126 --> 00:34:30.748
perspective.

00:34:31.628 --> 00:34:32.447
And then the economy,

00:34:32.487 --> 00:34:33.487
the economic side of it,

00:34:33.748 --> 00:34:36.728
the people where creators mess up the most

00:34:36.748 --> 00:34:37.809
is they're so...

00:34:39.056 --> 00:34:41.996
They're so focused on the product in

00:34:42.056 --> 00:34:43.677
crowdfunding that they're not keeping

00:34:43.717 --> 00:34:46.018
their eye on what's happening outside of

00:34:46.057 --> 00:34:46.478
comics.

00:34:47.097 --> 00:34:49.079
So I don't care if you don't like

00:34:49.099 --> 00:34:49.619
politics.

00:34:49.699 --> 00:34:51.318
I don't care if you don't like finances.

00:34:51.438 --> 00:34:54.320
I don't care if you don't know what's

00:34:54.340 --> 00:34:55.820
going on in the entertainment business.

00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:57.260
You need to keep up with that stuff

00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:58.161
so you can keep up with...

00:34:58.621 --> 00:34:58.800
Well,

00:34:58.840 --> 00:34:59.842
how much is it going to cost to

00:34:59.882 --> 00:35:00.222
print?

00:35:00.661 --> 00:35:02.563
Who's still in business?

00:35:03.403 --> 00:35:05.684
If I'm going to outsource overseas,

00:35:05.985 --> 00:35:07.465
we need to be looking at things like

00:35:07.626 --> 00:35:10.907
international and foreign policies that

00:35:10.927 --> 00:35:14.989
are placing holds on imported cargo

00:35:15.050 --> 00:35:16.471
carriers coming into port.

00:35:16.751 --> 00:35:17.530
Because if you have a...

00:35:17.550 --> 00:35:18.532
And I've heard this...

00:35:19.231 --> 00:35:20.833
from other podcast sources and other

00:35:20.853 --> 00:35:21.652
creators before,

00:35:22.054 --> 00:35:24.034
if you ordered one hundred and fifty books

00:35:24.074 --> 00:35:26.456
from a Chinese printing press and they

00:35:26.496 --> 00:35:27.396
didn't I mean,

00:35:27.416 --> 00:35:28.657
they didn't listen to the U.S.

00:35:28.677 --> 00:35:30.637
and they put a QA.

00:35:30.717 --> 00:35:30.878
Yeah,

00:35:30.918 --> 00:35:32.239
they're going to sit in port for ninety

00:35:32.278 --> 00:35:33.500
days until they release it.

00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:34.579
And then it's going to it's going to

00:35:34.619 --> 00:35:35.420
hold you back.

00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:36.400
And you have to explain that.

00:35:36.521 --> 00:35:38.922
And there's still no guarantee on the QA

00:35:38.961 --> 00:35:39.342
of that.

00:35:39.663 --> 00:35:41.224
You're going to you order one hundred

00:35:41.244 --> 00:35:41.724
fifty books.

00:35:41.744 --> 00:35:43.164
You may get one hundred and twenty,

00:35:43.184 --> 00:35:44.485
one hundred twenty five books that are

00:35:44.525 --> 00:35:45.206
actually usable.

00:35:45.786 --> 00:35:46.126
Yeah,

00:35:46.146 --> 00:35:47.967
the rest of the twenty five or the

00:35:47.987 --> 00:35:48.108
other.

00:35:48.128 --> 00:35:49.108
What what is that?

00:35:49.128 --> 00:35:50.568
Twenty percent are probably going to be

00:35:50.628 --> 00:35:52.851
hot garbage, misplaced staples,

00:35:53.952 --> 00:35:54.851
bad prints.

00:35:55.393 --> 00:35:56.914
So you got to take that into account

00:35:56.974 --> 00:35:57.414
as well.

00:35:57.934 --> 00:35:58.554
And I think it was what,

00:35:58.614 --> 00:35:59.655
twenty twenty two,

00:35:59.715 --> 00:36:01.856
because I forgot a lot of the companies

00:36:01.956 --> 00:36:03.938
import paper from India.

00:36:04.338 --> 00:36:05.119
Yeah.

00:36:05.278 --> 00:36:07.300
India was having a shortage of paper.

00:36:08.260 --> 00:36:09.983
So that's why we've seen such a huge

00:36:10.123 --> 00:36:12.706
jump in prices starting in twenty twenty

00:36:12.746 --> 00:36:13.806
two as well.

00:36:14.648 --> 00:36:14.728
Yeah.

00:36:14.748 --> 00:36:15.949
And oddly enough,

00:36:16.650 --> 00:36:19.733
the company that does Wallace and Gromit.

00:36:20.693 --> 00:36:22.434
The clay they used also, I think,

00:36:22.454 --> 00:36:23.534
comes from India.

00:36:24.375 --> 00:36:26.356
So the new Wallace and Gromit movie that

00:36:26.376 --> 00:36:29.177
come out, what, in what,

00:36:29.936 --> 00:36:31.777
like a three-year delay because they

00:36:31.818 --> 00:36:35.579
couldn't get the clay from India to make

00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:36.858
the movie, which is wild.

00:36:37.298 --> 00:36:39.719
And if they do their due diligence in

00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:41.641
post-production, they could have...

00:36:42.690 --> 00:36:44.231
could have made sure that they had a

00:36:44.710 --> 00:36:46.871
third source or a second source or a

00:36:46.931 --> 00:36:50.112
fourth source so that only comes from one

00:36:50.132 --> 00:36:54.213
place in one country which is wild that's

00:36:54.373 --> 00:36:55.972
super wild yeah because there's other

00:36:55.992 --> 00:36:58.353
countries across the across the the world

00:36:58.373 --> 00:37:00.373
that have clay that they could buy they

00:37:00.393 --> 00:37:02.233
may not have like established like i don't

00:37:02.253 --> 00:37:03.594
know if you call them clay mines but

00:37:04.275 --> 00:37:06.594
uh clay corrals or clay businesses i don't

00:37:06.614 --> 00:37:08.556
know i just know wallace and that movie

00:37:08.576 --> 00:37:10.016
was good too i'm a huge wallace and

00:37:10.036 --> 00:37:10.596
gromit guy

00:37:12.911 --> 00:37:14.012
And but yeah,

00:37:14.032 --> 00:37:15.614
but a while something simple like that and

00:37:15.653 --> 00:37:17.836
like paper, the quality of paper,

00:37:17.898 --> 00:37:18.818
the card stock,

00:37:18.858 --> 00:37:20.601
you use the weight of the paper.

00:37:21.461 --> 00:37:22.483
Well, you help make the point.

00:37:22.523 --> 00:37:24.286
You help make the point, though.

00:37:24.387 --> 00:37:26.949
It's it's that factor right there that led

00:37:26.989 --> 00:37:27.771
to the delay.

00:37:27.811 --> 00:37:28.311
And if you can.

00:37:29.213 --> 00:37:31.275
if you can put off any delays in

00:37:31.375 --> 00:37:33.076
post-production when you're designing your

00:37:33.115 --> 00:37:36.217
campaign you have to be able to make

00:37:36.257 --> 00:37:38.298
a list of those variables like when you

00:37:38.338 --> 00:37:40.601
get done i if you use the comics

00:37:40.621 --> 00:37:43.143
launch crowdfunder planner the one thing i

00:37:43.163 --> 00:37:44.963
didn't see in there is make a list

00:37:45.003 --> 00:37:47.005
of things that could like blot out your

00:37:47.025 --> 00:37:47.465
campaign

00:37:48.365 --> 00:37:49.065
and, and,

00:37:49.286 --> 00:37:51.387
and write solutions on what you could do

00:37:51.427 --> 00:37:53.188
for all those mishaps that could happen

00:37:53.867 --> 00:37:55.949
and see if you have the resources already

00:37:55.989 --> 00:37:56.728
to prevent those.

00:37:56.768 --> 00:37:57.110
If it's,

00:37:58.090 --> 00:37:59.951
if it's your work schedule that gets in

00:37:59.971 --> 00:38:00.271
the way,

00:38:00.311 --> 00:38:01.570
wake up early in the morning before you

00:38:01.590 --> 00:38:03.911
go to work and post that one's knocked

00:38:03.972 --> 00:38:04.452
off the list.

00:38:04.472 --> 00:38:05.612
But if it comes down,

00:38:06.472 --> 00:38:07.052
that's what I do.

00:38:07.072 --> 00:38:09.233
I literally schedule posts for Instagram

00:38:09.273 --> 00:38:09.954
and Facebook.

00:38:10.534 --> 00:38:11.155
If it comes down,

00:38:11.175 --> 00:38:11.695
I got to show you.

00:38:11.715 --> 00:38:11.795
Yeah.

00:38:12.896 --> 00:38:13.096
Yeah.

00:38:13.715 --> 00:38:16.018
yeah money is a whole nother yeah it

00:38:16.057 --> 00:38:17.818
comes down to money though that's that's

00:38:17.838 --> 00:38:19.440
where you should have planned before you

00:38:19.460 --> 00:38:22.001
even started which i would i would suggest

00:38:22.021 --> 00:38:23.983
you delay until you have the adequate

00:38:24.023 --> 00:38:26.824
money available because that was also a

00:38:26.864 --> 00:38:28.985
problem for me i didn't look outside of

00:38:29.045 --> 00:38:31.367
comics to see what was going on

00:38:31.427 --> 00:38:33.248
politically and that ended up leading to

00:38:35.250 --> 00:38:36.951
raised prices in shipping,

00:38:37.090 --> 00:38:39.472
which blew my budget completely after I

00:38:39.512 --> 00:38:39.873
finished.

00:38:40.413 --> 00:38:42.695
And then the printing became an issue

00:38:42.715 --> 00:38:45.396
because printers were not only charging

00:38:45.577 --> 00:38:47.717
more money for proofs before you printed a

00:38:47.797 --> 00:38:50.480
run, like Kablam did,

00:38:50.539 --> 00:38:52.181
they charged forty dollars for a physical

00:38:52.221 --> 00:38:54.302
proof before you actually pay for the run,

00:38:54.322 --> 00:38:55.483
which I thought was outrageous.

00:38:56.182 --> 00:38:58.885
And then so I've seen that go from

00:38:58.965 --> 00:38:59.865
anywhere between

00:39:01.048 --> 00:39:04.309
know eight bucks to like yeah fifty bucks

00:39:04.329 --> 00:39:07.190
here lately and it's i mean that's wild

00:39:07.271 --> 00:39:11.251
that there's such a huge price difference

00:39:11.291 --> 00:39:15.052
between companies like that that's okay i

00:39:15.072 --> 00:39:16.893
ended up finding a local source on the

00:39:16.952 --> 00:39:19.313
east coast that does independent printing

00:39:19.373 --> 00:39:21.114
so i thought that was actually kind of

00:39:21.153 --> 00:39:22.653
cool that an independent comic book

00:39:22.693 --> 00:39:23.994
creator found an independent program

00:39:25.342 --> 00:39:25.601
Yeah.

00:39:26.222 --> 00:39:27.262
I know which one you're talking about.

00:39:27.643 --> 00:39:27.902
Yeah.

00:39:28.282 --> 00:39:28.523
Yeah.

00:39:29.242 --> 00:39:30.344
I don't know if he wants me to

00:39:30.503 --> 00:39:31.043
name his company.

00:39:31.204 --> 00:39:32.125
So I just want to talk about it.

00:39:32.144 --> 00:39:33.445
But but you know,

00:39:33.465 --> 00:39:34.405
I didn't talk about because I know

00:39:34.425 --> 00:39:36.005
somebody else who uses them to print up

00:39:36.025 --> 00:39:36.266
there.

00:39:36.746 --> 00:39:36.985
Yeah.

00:39:37.327 --> 00:39:39.166
So and they're and they're actually really

00:39:39.347 --> 00:39:40.088
decent in price.

00:39:40.108 --> 00:39:42.088
It's like less than one hundred for a

00:39:42.148 --> 00:39:43.009
run of twenty five.

00:39:43.128 --> 00:39:45.208
So which is really good.

00:39:45.289 --> 00:39:46.329
It's really great.

00:39:46.829 --> 00:39:48.670
It's actually what helped me get a lot

00:39:48.690 --> 00:39:50.692
of the copies that I have ready to

00:39:50.751 --> 00:39:51.152
fulfill.

00:39:52.152 --> 00:39:53.532
um so i had to take that into

00:39:53.572 --> 00:39:54.853
account but it's because i didn't look

00:39:54.914 --> 00:39:57.036
outside of comics that i wasn't able to

00:39:57.076 --> 00:39:59.498
see those types of things um it's hard

00:39:59.518 --> 00:40:01.458
to do because it's not really something

00:40:01.699 --> 00:40:03.820
because you're writing a comic book what

00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:06.061
does today's world have to do with that

00:40:06.762 --> 00:40:08.664
and it actually has everything to do with

00:40:08.744 --> 00:40:13.248
it and how price inflations and everything

00:40:13.288 --> 00:40:16.809
plays into everything and i think people

00:40:16.829 --> 00:40:19.311
it would behoove people to open their eyes

00:40:19.351 --> 00:40:20.992
to the world around them a little bit

00:40:21.052 --> 00:40:21.353
more

00:40:22.074 --> 00:40:24.664
So they're not blinded as much by what's

00:40:24.724 --> 00:40:25.547
in front of their face.

00:40:25.568 --> 00:40:25.869
Cause yeah,

00:40:25.889 --> 00:40:27.815
you want to produce this great comic book.

00:40:28.668 --> 00:40:31.490
But where's materials coming from?

00:40:31.570 --> 00:40:33.112
Where's colors coming from?

00:40:33.952 --> 00:40:35.333
Where's your artists live?

00:40:35.353 --> 00:40:37.514
Because there's a lot of really good

00:40:37.594 --> 00:40:39.376
foreign artists doing a lot of really

00:40:39.416 --> 00:40:40.536
great work out there.

00:40:41.416 --> 00:40:43.657
But sometimes political unrest in their

00:40:43.697 --> 00:40:47.760
country or internet blackouts could stop

00:40:47.780 --> 00:40:49.822
them from producing what you're looking

00:40:49.842 --> 00:40:50.682
for from them.

00:40:50.742 --> 00:40:52.202
So, no,

00:40:52.704 --> 00:40:55.666
that makes a whole lot of sense.

00:40:55.706 --> 00:40:57.666
But let's talk about Wild Ani real quick.

00:40:58.905 --> 00:41:01.447
This was your first creator-owned title.

00:41:02.288 --> 00:41:04.369
What made you decide this was your story

00:41:04.409 --> 00:41:05.550
that you needed to tell?

00:41:06.050 --> 00:41:06.891
Man, look.

00:41:07.811 --> 00:41:08.692
I'm not going to lie.

00:41:08.733 --> 00:41:10.773
The covers and everything I've seen from

00:41:10.793 --> 00:41:13.014
this book are so fucking cool.

00:41:13.675 --> 00:41:17.478
So I pitched this as a ghostwriter meets

00:41:17.617 --> 00:41:19.920
Hulk in the sixteenth century Japan.

00:41:21.240 --> 00:41:23.342
The reason I say that is because it's

00:41:23.362 --> 00:41:24.523
a story of duality.

00:41:25.635 --> 00:41:28.177
I don't really have a good answer as

00:41:28.197 --> 00:41:29.496
to why that was the first.

00:41:29.896 --> 00:41:32.818
I remember working with Anthony on one of

00:41:32.858 --> 00:41:33.597
his Kickstarters.

00:41:33.657 --> 00:41:34.978
I believe it was for the first one.

00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:36.358
And he was like, hey,

00:41:36.378 --> 00:41:38.079
you want to put anything up here?

00:41:38.099 --> 00:41:39.219
I'm like, really?

00:41:39.340 --> 00:41:39.659
He's like, yeah.

00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:40.699
I'm like, oh, man.

00:41:41.179 --> 00:41:42.181
So I sat down one night and I

00:41:42.201 --> 00:41:42.681
thought about it.

00:41:42.701 --> 00:41:44.481
I'm like, hmm, I really dig sci-fi.

00:41:44.521 --> 00:41:45.681
I really wanted to tell a sci-fi.

00:41:45.722 --> 00:41:46.842
But at the same time, I was like,

00:41:49.043 --> 00:41:50.182
I really love Samurais.

00:41:51.827 --> 00:41:53.809
And then I got back into like,

00:41:54.088 --> 00:41:55.369
I'm a really big fan of history.

00:41:56.891 --> 00:41:59.152
I've written several short historical

00:41:59.192 --> 00:42:00.012
fiction stories.

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Two of them were published.

00:42:02.793 --> 00:42:03.813
One of them is yet to find a

00:42:03.853 --> 00:42:04.114
home.

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But I'm a huge fan of The Last

00:42:07.755 --> 00:42:08.295
Samurai.

00:42:08.916 --> 00:42:09.916
I was a huge fan.

00:42:10.737 --> 00:42:12.338
Huge fan of Ghost of Tsushima.

00:42:12.358 --> 00:42:15.177
I'm still playing through Ghost of Yotai

00:42:15.217 --> 00:42:15.659
right now.

00:42:16.438 --> 00:42:16.878
Same.

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Did Assassin's Creed, the samurai one.

00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:22.420
I just love the culture.

00:42:22.541 --> 00:42:25.322
And then it was being a fan of

00:42:25.382 --> 00:42:26.541
Power Rangers growing up,

00:42:26.641 --> 00:42:29.043
getting to meet Austin and working with

00:42:29.083 --> 00:42:31.023
him personally on his project that really

00:42:31.043 --> 00:42:33.184
got me into the Bushido,

00:42:33.224 --> 00:42:34.385
the way of the samurai,

00:42:34.445 --> 00:42:35.644
the way of the martial artists.

00:42:36.637 --> 00:42:36.958
I don't know.

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I just wanted to tell something.

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I just wanted to tell a story that

00:42:40.103 --> 00:42:42.186
was about duality that was really tragic

00:42:42.246 --> 00:42:44.969
so I I went and looked into the

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history in sixteen hundreds around the

00:42:47.012 --> 00:42:47.875
time that um,

00:42:47.894 --> 00:42:47.914
I

00:42:48.666 --> 00:42:51.650
Things were rapidly changing in Japan.

00:42:54.253 --> 00:42:58.659
Toyotomi was becoming a sort of emperor.

00:43:00.322 --> 00:43:01.362
He was a lord regent.

00:43:04.688 --> 00:43:06.048
He was raised up

00:43:07.588 --> 00:43:09.009
from one of the greatest generals who

00:43:09.088 --> 00:43:09.909
unified Japan,

00:43:10.108 --> 00:43:13.250
and then he kind of built a cascading

00:43:13.969 --> 00:43:15.351
member of five or six,

00:43:15.610 --> 00:43:17.510
and they gave him a different name,

00:43:17.530 --> 00:43:19.331
and then he became Lord Regent up until

00:43:19.931 --> 00:43:20.672
he expired.

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But I found a really cool story about

00:43:23.452 --> 00:43:26.293
a rebellious samurai

00:43:27.380 --> 00:43:31.344
in Tsushima that raised a small rebellion

00:43:31.565 --> 00:43:33.467
against the samurai from a fishing

00:43:33.507 --> 00:43:33.847
village.

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His name was Mori Chika and he's a

00:43:36.289 --> 00:43:37.251
real character in time.

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And I thought that was a really cool

00:43:39.193 --> 00:43:39.532
story.

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So I kind of wanted to embellish upon

00:43:41.940 --> 00:43:42.199
that.

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It's historical fiction.

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I chose not to be as accurate with

00:43:47.583 --> 00:43:50.226
the historical elements as possible as to

00:43:50.266 --> 00:43:53.188
reduce the pressure or backlash of anybody

00:43:53.228 --> 00:43:55.829
trying to scream the ires of

00:43:56.530 --> 00:43:57.831
misappropriation of culture.

00:44:00.233 --> 00:44:01.753
It happens so often.

00:44:02.114 --> 00:44:04.096
I just want to tell a story.

00:44:04.576 --> 00:44:06.898
A story is a story to me unless

00:44:06.918 --> 00:44:08.778
you go in saying, oh, this is...

00:44:10.469 --> 00:44:12.431
know what really happened and then you try

00:44:12.452 --> 00:44:14.713
to say oh it's you know non-fiction and

00:44:14.753 --> 00:44:17.295
you're like come on dude you wonder why

00:44:17.315 --> 00:44:19.257
people are yelling at you if you go

00:44:19.277 --> 00:44:22.721
insane it's a historical fiction yeah

00:44:23.771 --> 00:44:25.552
then yeah but yeah there's a lot of

00:44:25.572 --> 00:44:27.432
people yelling about a lot of things here

00:44:27.472 --> 00:44:30.574
lately that if you just take it as

00:44:30.614 --> 00:44:33.775
it is as a form of entertainment yeah

00:44:33.914 --> 00:44:36.655
and there's no reason to yell you wrote

00:44:36.695 --> 00:44:38.376
something to entertain people be

00:44:38.456 --> 00:44:40.577
entertained if it's not your cup of tea

00:44:40.597 --> 00:44:41.717
it's not your cup of tea don't read

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it so so with the historical fiction and

00:44:45.759 --> 00:44:47.179
the background and the writing and all

00:44:47.219 --> 00:44:48.480
that i was like i can i want

00:44:48.500 --> 00:44:50.599
to tell a story of duality uh the

00:44:50.619 --> 00:44:51.840
story is really about a guy

00:44:52.657 --> 00:44:54.561
who wants to avenge his family,

00:44:54.802 --> 00:44:56.726
but also has to learn how to become

00:44:56.788 --> 00:44:59.132
comfortable with who he has now become.

00:45:00.469 --> 00:45:01.548
Just like Spider-Man,

00:45:01.708 --> 00:45:04.889
who didn't ask for an incredible power,

00:45:04.929 --> 00:45:07.090
he took on a credible role of

00:45:07.130 --> 00:45:09.791
responsibility, which he has now done.

00:45:09.971 --> 00:45:11.110
His is a little different, though.

00:45:11.150 --> 00:45:12.931
He made a pact with an Oni demon

00:45:13.731 --> 00:45:17.771
from the land of demons in the culture

00:45:17.831 --> 00:45:18.552
of Japan.

00:45:19.413 --> 00:45:20.893
They call it the Realm of Shinkai.

00:45:20.932 --> 00:45:24.934
The Shinkai is where all the Oni spirits

00:45:24.974 --> 00:45:25.353
come from.

00:45:25.934 --> 00:45:28.155
different from the spirits that were made

00:45:28.195 --> 00:45:30.197
into pokemon long time ago those those are

00:45:30.237 --> 00:45:33.259
more of like animagi spirits the original

00:45:33.739 --> 00:45:36.139
animagi or the elemental gods they used to

00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:40.003
worship post-sixteenth century where a lot

00:45:40.023 --> 00:45:41.844
of the native american culture gets their

00:45:41.884 --> 00:45:43.764
gods from because they were living gods

00:45:43.784 --> 00:45:45.405
you know the water was alive the grass

00:45:45.445 --> 00:45:47.766
was alive the tree was alive uh the

00:45:47.907 --> 00:45:49.929
air was alive the rocks talk to you

00:45:50.128 --> 00:45:52.570
you know stuff like that uh so he

00:45:52.610 --> 00:45:53.650
makes a pact with the demon

00:45:55.186 --> 00:45:58.929
But this first issue is really just kind

00:45:59.028 --> 00:46:01.150
of stating the fact and the theme.

00:46:01.791 --> 00:46:04.054
And then in the issues to come,

00:46:04.273 --> 00:46:05.875
we're going to talk about how he rejects

00:46:05.894 --> 00:46:06.215
this.

00:46:07.096 --> 00:46:10.599
There's a force of samurai that exists to

00:46:10.798 --> 00:46:11.860
expire demons.

00:46:13.041 --> 00:46:14.181
If we're playing off...

00:46:14.242 --> 00:46:15.983
What was that movie that came out on

00:46:16.043 --> 00:46:17.083
Netflix not too long ago?

00:46:17.103 --> 00:46:18.364
K-Pop Demon Hunters?

00:46:18.686 --> 00:46:20.726
Yeah, so it's kind of like that.

00:46:20.766 --> 00:46:21.208
We're like...

00:46:21.507 --> 00:46:24.409
They are charged with the power to keep

00:46:24.429 --> 00:46:25.971
these like portals closed.

00:46:26.630 --> 00:46:27.472
Yeah.

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And that's something that I discuss and

00:46:29.452 --> 00:46:30.293
the issues come.

00:46:30.313 --> 00:46:31.893
Now, this is a long series.

00:46:32.134 --> 00:46:34.235
I've got, I think, six issues mapped out.

00:46:34.255 --> 00:46:35.996
I'm still working on the outline for seven

00:46:36.036 --> 00:46:36.317
and eight.

00:46:37.335 --> 00:46:40.679
And then it turns into kind of like

00:46:40.798 --> 00:46:41.860
a demon hunter type thing.

00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:44.362
But one of the covers that Jeff Muth

00:46:44.402 --> 00:46:44.702
did,

00:46:46.443 --> 00:46:48.945
it was a human Oni in samurai armor

00:46:49.364 --> 00:46:50.085
at human level.

00:46:50.106 --> 00:46:51.266
Because, you know, Onis,

00:46:52.007 --> 00:46:53.889
the lore says they're about six to ten

00:46:53.909 --> 00:46:56.231
feet tall or nine to ten feet tall.

00:46:56.291 --> 00:46:56.871
They glow.

00:46:56.931 --> 00:46:58.512
They kind of look like giant red apes.

00:46:59.753 --> 00:47:02.215
They feed on destruction and death and all

00:47:02.235 --> 00:47:02.795
that other stuff.

00:47:03.655 --> 00:47:05.036
which is basically what it is but it

00:47:05.077 --> 00:47:07.958
ties into a legend that i created within

00:47:07.998 --> 00:47:11.400
the lore of it which which makes him

00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:14.702
the perfect person but not so perfect and

00:47:14.762 --> 00:47:16.483
it's it's got a really banging twist i

00:47:16.523 --> 00:47:18.804
can't wait to tell about his family that

00:47:18.824 --> 00:47:20.905
involves his family and the emperor of

00:47:20.965 --> 00:47:23.706
japan that kind of comes to a close

00:47:23.786 --> 00:47:25.387
and i kind of want the end to

00:47:25.407 --> 00:47:27.389
be like an epic or like this huge

00:47:27.449 --> 00:47:28.110
war kind of

00:47:29.235 --> 00:47:29.456
Yeah.

00:47:29.496 --> 00:47:30.237
It's gnarly.

00:47:30.418 --> 00:47:31.960
It's kind of like the end of Lord

00:47:31.980 --> 00:47:32.942
of the Rings III,

00:47:33.101 --> 00:47:34.304
The Return of the King at the end.

00:47:34.324 --> 00:47:35.206
I was going to go Lord of the

00:47:35.246 --> 00:47:38.490
Gods when you see the gods fighting in

00:47:38.510 --> 00:47:39.672
the sky and the heavens.

00:47:41.784 --> 00:47:43.126
It gets pretty wild.

00:47:43.786 --> 00:47:44.907
It's wild, don't it?

00:47:44.967 --> 00:47:46.307
It gets pretty wild, man.

00:47:47.047 --> 00:47:48.088
And it's really cool, too,

00:47:48.108 --> 00:47:49.871
because I've been working on...

00:47:50.971 --> 00:47:52.733
This kind of ties into Iron Jaguar just

00:47:52.773 --> 00:47:55.574
a little bit, where I have a...

00:47:55.795 --> 00:47:56.615
I'm glad you brought that up,

00:47:56.655 --> 00:47:57.615
because I was going to ask you about

00:47:57.635 --> 00:47:58.717
that one next.

00:47:59.257 --> 00:48:00.297
So let me just give them a little

00:48:00.318 --> 00:48:01.199
background real quick.

00:48:01.418 --> 00:48:02.320
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:02.420 --> 00:48:05.422
Iron Jaguar is rooted in mystical Mayan

00:48:05.461 --> 00:48:08.063
power described as your version of the

00:48:08.123 --> 00:48:08.704
Punisher.

00:48:09.605 --> 00:48:11.987
what draws you to legacy style characters

00:48:12.027 --> 00:48:14.411
with cultural depth that's where my

00:48:14.431 --> 00:48:15.952
question was going and you were going

00:48:15.992 --> 00:48:17.695
there but i wanted to get that question

00:48:17.735 --> 00:48:18.797
out of the way now you can go

00:48:18.836 --> 00:48:19.918
into fire jaguar

00:48:21.081 --> 00:48:23.282
so iron jaguar is a really cool character

00:48:23.922 --> 00:48:26.164
um i think that's about six years in

00:48:26.184 --> 00:48:29.088
the making now he does not have his

00:48:29.168 --> 00:48:31.309
own series but he has made cameo

00:48:31.349 --> 00:48:34.592
appearances in champions comics he is he

00:48:34.632 --> 00:48:37.835
is part of the g-men now um i

00:48:37.875 --> 00:48:39.396
got that i finally got that in last

00:48:39.436 --> 00:48:41.077
year and then um

00:48:42.418 --> 00:48:45.702
From his Pantheon,

00:48:46.204 --> 00:48:47.945
he's got a few cool characters.

00:48:48.286 --> 00:48:49.809
You mentioned the Punisher thing.

00:48:50.210 --> 00:48:51.632
That's actually American Lion.

00:48:53.007 --> 00:48:55.030
I'm not sure where the info came from,

00:48:55.889 --> 00:48:57.590
but he's part of the pantheon of Iron

00:48:57.610 --> 00:48:57.992
Jaguar.

00:48:58.012 --> 00:49:01.014
But Iron Jaguar gets his power from

00:49:01.153 --> 00:49:02.775
whatever I got from the data you sent

00:49:02.815 --> 00:49:03.114
me.

00:49:03.215 --> 00:49:07.818
You see how important continuity is?

00:49:09.699 --> 00:49:11.119
And writers aren't perfect, man.

00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:12.041
You know how hard it is to be

00:49:12.061 --> 00:49:12.981
a writer and an editor?

00:49:13.001 --> 00:49:15.402
You have to both edit yourself and edit

00:49:15.422 --> 00:49:16.943
other people because you're also the

00:49:16.983 --> 00:49:17.184
writer.

00:49:17.204 --> 00:49:18.644
So when you're writing, you're like, no,

00:49:18.664 --> 00:49:19.485
you can't do that, man.

00:49:20.045 --> 00:49:21.847
Go put this in your document over there.

00:49:21.927 --> 00:49:22.307
Shut up.

00:49:22.807 --> 00:49:23.487
Look, I got this.

00:49:23.527 --> 00:49:24.048
I'll do it later.

00:49:24.088 --> 00:49:24.829
No, you'll do it now.

00:49:25.628 --> 00:49:26.969
It's an interesting conversation.

00:49:27.010 --> 00:49:27.150
I mean,

00:49:27.170 --> 00:49:29.110
you heard me talking to myself about this

00:49:29.130 --> 00:49:29.329
stuff.

00:49:29.349 --> 00:49:31.010
I have a folder earlier.

00:49:31.030 --> 00:49:32.210
Let me pull that from this folder real

00:49:32.231 --> 00:49:32.510
quick.

00:49:32.891 --> 00:49:34.552
So in the back of Wild Oni,

00:49:34.652 --> 00:49:36.012
I do have a coming soon.

00:49:36.432 --> 00:49:36.992
It's a cover.

00:49:38.063 --> 00:49:40.364
It's an amazing cover done by Clovis

00:49:40.403 --> 00:49:41.304
Baitabola.

00:49:41.443 --> 00:49:42.523
I've worked with him in the past.

00:49:42.543 --> 00:49:43.903
He did a lot of work for Tony

00:49:43.923 --> 00:49:44.244
and them.

00:49:44.804 --> 00:49:46.005
He worked on Miss Vengeance,

00:49:46.585 --> 00:49:47.844
which is a comic that was put out

00:49:47.885 --> 00:49:48.846
by Limitless Comics.

00:49:49.106 --> 00:49:50.706
The creator of that, Jerry Jones,

00:49:51.045 --> 00:49:52.007
really good friend of mine.

00:49:52.447 --> 00:49:53.166
We did a few podcasts together.

00:49:53.226 --> 00:49:56.108
Not to be confused with the Dallas Cowboy

00:49:56.188 --> 00:49:56.467
owner.

00:49:56.907 --> 00:49:58.288
No, no, not at all.

00:49:59.628 --> 00:50:01.889
He's also from the East Coast area.

00:50:01.989 --> 00:50:02.829
Really great guy.

00:50:03.248 --> 00:50:04.070
Super talented.

00:50:04.110 --> 00:50:05.570
He does a lot of the technical stuff

00:50:05.590 --> 00:50:05.769
too.

00:50:07.101 --> 00:50:08.681
but he did amazing artwork.

00:50:09.322 --> 00:50:10.762
That cover is actually for a novel,

00:50:10.802 --> 00:50:12.762
but I'm going to use it for some

00:50:12.842 --> 00:50:13.561
type of comic.

00:50:13.661 --> 00:50:14.222
I don't know.

00:50:14.842 --> 00:50:16.282
I'd like to do a one-shot soon.

00:50:17.083 --> 00:50:18.623
I don't really have a series for him

00:50:18.684 --> 00:50:19.123
planned.

00:50:19.804 --> 00:50:22.003
His was to be sort of kind of

00:50:24.565 --> 00:50:25.244
the character,

00:50:25.385 --> 00:50:27.105
the legacy character that kind of ties all

00:50:27.125 --> 00:50:28.226
these other characters in.

00:50:28.346 --> 00:50:29.965
So I have an anthology I started a

00:50:29.985 --> 00:50:31.246
year and a half ago that's got a

00:50:31.286 --> 00:50:32.505
bunch of the characters that I've been

00:50:32.545 --> 00:50:34.867
working on for the last five years inside.

00:50:34.887 --> 00:50:35.067
It's

00:50:35.771 --> 00:50:36.931
It's not a comic book.

00:50:37.012 --> 00:50:38.574
It's just a novel based,

00:50:38.614 --> 00:50:40.356
but it's enough to publish a cast of

00:50:40.376 --> 00:50:42.217
characters to get people interested in

00:50:42.257 --> 00:50:44.539
wanting to see a comic of them.

00:50:44.619 --> 00:50:45.902
I do have like a little mini series

00:50:45.922 --> 00:50:46.943
for our Jaguar plan,

00:50:46.983 --> 00:50:48.463
but I got to wait for funds to

00:50:48.483 --> 00:50:48.925
catch up.

00:50:49.521 --> 00:50:50.822
tax season's coming and all that.

00:50:50.882 --> 00:50:52.422
But Iron Jaguar is a really interesting

00:50:52.463 --> 00:50:56.143
character that was inspired by the death

00:50:56.182 --> 00:50:56.884
of my grandma.

00:50:58.103 --> 00:51:01.364
So this Miguel Fiorello,

00:51:01.485 --> 00:51:03.324
which is a play on my name,

00:51:03.824 --> 00:51:05.005
Michael Florio,

00:51:05.405 --> 00:51:07.286
which is my family Italian surname.

00:51:08.626 --> 00:51:11.927
So Miguel Fiorello experiences the tragic

00:51:11.947 --> 00:51:12.786
death of his grandma,

00:51:13.126 --> 00:51:17.487
and his grandma sends him this shard,

00:51:19.161 --> 00:51:21.824
She worked for a biotech company that was

00:51:21.864 --> 00:51:23.306
developing a cure for cancer.

00:51:24.648 --> 00:51:26.050
My grandma died of cancer.

00:51:26.230 --> 00:51:27.110
For the fourth time,

00:51:27.211 --> 00:51:28.193
she went into remission.

00:51:28.233 --> 00:51:29.974
It came back super aggressive, brain,

00:51:30.074 --> 00:51:31.396
lungs, all this other stuff.

00:51:32.217 --> 00:51:33.097
It was really tragic.

00:51:33.398 --> 00:51:34.940
The conversation I had with her is

00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:38.103
actually highlighted in the graphic novel

00:51:38.143 --> 00:51:39.045
outline I have for it.

00:51:39.065 --> 00:51:39.786
Okay.

00:51:40.367 --> 00:51:43.088
I hate to hear that, man.

00:51:43.108 --> 00:51:43.648
Sorry about that.

00:51:43.809 --> 00:51:46.610
It's one of those things that I got

00:51:46.670 --> 00:51:48.612
into writing for when I switched out of

00:51:48.632 --> 00:51:49.393
game design.

00:51:49.432 --> 00:51:52.675
I wanted to give people a voice to

00:51:52.735 --> 00:51:53.576
talk about the thing.

00:51:53.596 --> 00:51:54.777
Because I felt like my grandma died

00:51:54.797 --> 00:51:56.097
without many options.

00:51:56.237 --> 00:51:57.099
And a lot of that has to do

00:51:57.139 --> 00:51:58.760
with the politics and healthcare that

00:51:59.219 --> 00:52:01.641
drastically and hopefully changes for the

00:52:01.661 --> 00:52:02.523
good here shortly.

00:52:03.402 --> 00:52:05.545
But there was the access to a lot

00:52:05.585 --> 00:52:07.726
of treatments around the world that you

00:52:07.746 --> 00:52:09.327
can't get if you don't move.

00:52:09.867 --> 00:52:11.208
My grandma was in her sixties.

00:52:12.329 --> 00:52:15.371
So, I mean, on a fixed income, retirement,

00:52:15.471 --> 00:52:16.112
couldn't do much.

00:52:17.353 --> 00:52:18.853
So it's just a tragic story.

00:52:19.233 --> 00:52:22.096
But the grandmother in the book sends

00:52:22.135 --> 00:52:24.416
Miguel this shard,

00:52:25.697 --> 00:52:31.101
gives him access to a divine power source

00:52:31.541 --> 00:52:32.342
that I can kind of,

00:52:33.244 --> 00:52:35.690
compare it to like the World Emerald and

00:52:35.751 --> 00:52:36.032
Sonic.

00:52:37.152 --> 00:52:38.414
Okay, yeah.

00:52:38.434 --> 00:52:41.414
But it's buried in Mayan tradition.

00:52:41.974 --> 00:52:44.235
So there is a city called Tikal that

00:52:44.275 --> 00:52:47.016
was taken over by the Spaniards during the

00:52:47.077 --> 00:52:49.918
hunt for El Dorado's fool's gold way,

00:52:49.938 --> 00:52:51.838
way back in the late histories.

00:52:51.858 --> 00:52:55.420
I think it was like the back story

00:52:55.460 --> 00:52:59.782
there is the Jaguar goddess of death comes

00:52:59.822 --> 00:53:03.063
to this ruler of Tikal and says that

00:53:03.123 --> 00:53:03.903
if you follow me,

00:53:04.063 --> 00:53:06.724
I have this underground

00:53:08.228 --> 00:53:10.548
Underground city that I will protect all

00:53:10.568 --> 00:53:12.409
your people because they were warring with

00:53:12.510 --> 00:53:15.451
other nations around them for land and and

00:53:15.490 --> 00:53:17.652
all that Resources and all that one just

00:53:17.672 --> 00:53:18.592
the threat of Spaniards.

00:53:18.632 --> 00:53:21.393
It was the threat of of other clans

00:53:21.432 --> 00:53:23.554
around them So they go into this

00:53:23.614 --> 00:53:26.255
subterranean city and there's this huge

00:53:26.295 --> 00:53:28.394
power source You could probably compare it

00:53:28.456 --> 00:53:30.856
to you know, Black Panthers, you know,

00:53:30.876 --> 00:53:31.717
Wakanda forever.

00:53:32.077 --> 00:53:32.476
Yeah, and

00:53:32.777 --> 00:53:34.536
Um, but it, but it gave him,

00:53:34.677 --> 00:53:35.958
it gave him incredible power.

00:53:36.557 --> 00:53:37.757
Um, he learns,

00:53:38.297 --> 00:53:40.338
he learns about this and goes on the

00:53:40.378 --> 00:53:42.539
hunt to reclaim this because once you're

00:53:42.579 --> 00:53:44.219
in the city, you're not supposed to leave.

00:53:44.318 --> 00:53:45.079
Unfortunately,

00:53:45.139 --> 00:53:47.460
he did fell in love with his grandma

00:53:47.699 --> 00:53:50.880
and gave her a shard as protection.

00:53:51.061 --> 00:53:51.960
And with this shard,

00:53:51.981 --> 00:53:53.880
she unlocked the secrets to cure cancer.

00:53:54.481 --> 00:53:56.342
This inevitably leads to her death and

00:53:56.382 --> 00:53:58.322
with it, a note for her grandson.

00:53:58.938 --> 00:54:01.641
And so in the graphic novel series that

00:54:01.820 --> 00:54:04.784
I'm getting edited soon is him running

00:54:04.824 --> 00:54:08.146
from this tyrannical corporation that

00:54:08.206 --> 00:54:10.527
wants this shard so that they can hide

00:54:11.489 --> 00:54:12.369
the cure for cancer,

00:54:12.409 --> 00:54:14.170
but really sell it on to the highest

00:54:14.210 --> 00:54:15.891
bidder before they put it out in market.

00:54:16.373 --> 00:54:17.574
And that's kind of what the story is

00:54:17.614 --> 00:54:17.954
about.

00:54:18.034 --> 00:54:19.936
It's giving power back to the people,

00:54:19.976 --> 00:54:22.677
but also understanding that with power,

00:54:23.338 --> 00:54:24.498
I know it's a cliche,

00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:26.420
comes great responsibility.

00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:30.362
And so he ends up becoming the superhero

00:54:30.521 --> 00:54:32.103
in what is now New Coast City,

00:54:32.543 --> 00:54:35.764
which is my idea of a futuristic southern

00:54:35.804 --> 00:54:38.525
Gulf Coast where Gulfport, Biloxi,

00:54:38.545 --> 00:54:40.085
and a lot of these southern coastal towns

00:54:40.125 --> 00:54:41.786
come together to create a larger city.

00:54:42.885 --> 00:54:44.266
It's a little bit of futuristic,

00:54:44.306 --> 00:54:46.686
but it's a little bit more militarized

00:54:46.706 --> 00:54:48.427
because the coast is more developed,

00:54:48.487 --> 00:54:50.889
but it very much has the same elements

00:54:50.929 --> 00:54:53.128
like the casino and the crime and the

00:54:53.628 --> 00:54:54.489
street level crime,

00:54:54.510 --> 00:54:55.190
but also like

00:54:55.932 --> 00:54:58.693
the mutagenic and the aliens and all the

00:54:58.733 --> 00:55:00.215
weird stuff that, you know,

00:55:00.235 --> 00:55:01.936
the people don't see in Batman, you,

00:55:02.016 --> 00:55:03.496
you get to see, uh, and,

00:55:03.536 --> 00:55:05.318
and that one characters.

00:55:05.518 --> 00:55:07.579
And, and then he, he discovers others.

00:55:08.259 --> 00:55:08.438
Um,

00:55:08.539 --> 00:55:10.820
I go back and forth on the Jade

00:55:10.860 --> 00:55:11.501
Jaguar,

00:55:11.641 --> 00:55:12.981
which is the one that fell in love

00:55:13.001 --> 00:55:14.541
with his grandmother comes into the

00:55:14.601 --> 00:55:17.244
picture and he becomes a mentor and you

00:55:17.264 --> 00:55:19.065
get to, you get to see inside the,

00:55:19.085 --> 00:55:20.965
the subterranean city of new to call.

00:55:21.485 --> 00:55:23.327
You get to explore the Mayan background

00:55:23.347 --> 00:55:23.867
and all that.

00:55:26.657 --> 00:55:29.099
My boy Mac says condolences to your

00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:29.561
family.

00:55:30.340 --> 00:55:32.483
Thank you.

00:55:32.503 --> 00:55:33.384
He's had a busy day.

00:55:34.965 --> 00:55:37.527
They were live this morning with Eat the

00:55:37.547 --> 00:55:38.268
Cake Anime,

00:55:38.847 --> 00:55:40.148
which I got to watch a few minutes

00:55:40.329 --> 00:55:43.331
of before having to dive in and do

00:55:43.371 --> 00:55:45.474
some house cleaning and start preparing

00:55:45.514 --> 00:55:46.295
for this interview.

00:55:47.195 --> 00:55:49.657
I'm hitting another interview tomorrow,

00:55:49.717 --> 00:55:49.958
so...

00:55:52.538 --> 00:55:54.900
I end up days where it's like back

00:55:54.940 --> 00:55:55.480
to back.

00:55:55.699 --> 00:55:57.161
Then I got a mess week.

00:55:57.221 --> 00:55:59.222
I got two.

00:56:00.061 --> 00:56:01.682
It might be three back to back now

00:56:01.722 --> 00:56:02.443
for next week.

00:56:02.543 --> 00:56:06.246
I can't remember, but yeah, pretty wild.

00:56:07.766 --> 00:56:08.286
But yeah, that's,

00:56:08.306 --> 00:56:09.907
that's iron Jaguar in a box.

00:56:10.347 --> 00:56:12.829
I'm super happy for all the crazy

00:56:12.869 --> 00:56:13.548
crossovers.

00:56:14.349 --> 00:56:15.811
The biggest one is yet to come.

00:56:16.510 --> 00:56:17.411
I don't know if you know who Brian

00:56:17.431 --> 00:56:18.192
J Lambert is.

00:56:20.409 --> 00:56:22.130
I have not heard of him.

00:56:22.471 --> 00:56:22.570
Okay.

00:56:22.630 --> 00:56:23.990
So he is the CEO and creator of

00:56:24.050 --> 00:56:24.871
Wingless Comics.

00:56:25.411 --> 00:56:27.251
They did a really great book called Air

00:56:27.291 --> 00:56:29.552
Force Ones last year.

00:56:29.692 --> 00:56:32.072
And one of the tiers was if you

00:56:32.092 --> 00:56:33.072
bought the highest one,

00:56:33.092 --> 00:56:34.994
you got to put your character and you

00:56:35.014 --> 00:56:37.673
got to see your character as a kind

00:56:37.713 --> 00:56:39.715
of mech character.

00:56:39.735 --> 00:56:39.815
Okay.

00:56:39.835 --> 00:56:41.855
That's really dope.

00:56:41.954 --> 00:56:43.715
Air Force Ones is basically Brian

00:56:43.735 --> 00:56:44.596
Jammert's version of

00:56:45.248 --> 00:56:47.608
of uh pacific rim meets gundam wing it's

00:56:47.650 --> 00:56:49.931
a fantastic book oh that's really cool i

00:56:49.951 --> 00:56:52.032
cannot wait for iron jaguar to be in

00:56:52.052 --> 00:56:55.474
like full cosplay gundam mech suit it's

00:56:55.514 --> 00:56:59.056
gonna be fantastic um that that's probably

00:56:59.076 --> 00:57:01.498
the biggest thing i have um coming up

00:57:01.557 --> 00:57:03.378
as far as iron jaguar goes but uh

00:57:03.871 --> 00:57:04.670
Wild Oni, too.

00:57:04.710 --> 00:57:06.271
The issue is almost done.

00:57:06.552 --> 00:57:07.672
It's almost done being written.

00:57:08.532 --> 00:57:10.393
I hope to get that out somewhere between

00:57:10.514 --> 00:57:12.614
summer and fall of this year.

00:57:13.596 --> 00:57:16.336
And Wild Oni actually ties into,

00:57:16.777 --> 00:57:17.818
going back to what I was trying to

00:57:17.838 --> 00:57:18.418
say earlier,

00:57:18.858 --> 00:57:22.000
ties into the future that connects with

00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:22.981
Iron Jaguar.

00:57:23.240 --> 00:57:24.840
I have an Australian shade.

00:57:24.922 --> 00:57:25.342
There's a...

00:57:28.143 --> 00:57:31.608
there's a wild samurai in the Iron Jaguar

00:57:31.648 --> 00:57:34.914
universe modern day that is trying to

00:57:35.034 --> 00:57:37.038
prevent the shard of

00:57:37.969 --> 00:57:41.291
Morichika's sword in the old Wild Oni

00:57:41.311 --> 00:57:43.992
series from being reforged and awakening

00:57:44.032 --> 00:57:44.773
the Wild Oni.

00:57:45.233 --> 00:57:48.396
And there's kind of like a force behind

00:57:48.436 --> 00:57:50.916
that that's kind of mirrors the Foot Clan

00:57:51.536 --> 00:57:54.318
or the Hand that's led by a really

00:57:54.438 --> 00:57:57.981
just huge kingpin style Japanese corporate

00:57:58.041 --> 00:57:58.581
tycoon.

00:58:01.202 --> 00:58:03.344
I hope to do some shorts with that

00:58:03.483 --> 00:58:05.204
because I want there to be some

00:58:05.985 --> 00:58:07.907
really genuine martial arts,

00:58:07.947 --> 00:58:10.929
but also ground and pound level fight

00:58:10.949 --> 00:58:13.010
scenes that kind of mirror, you know,

00:58:13.030 --> 00:58:14.012
Keanu Reeves.

00:58:17.375 --> 00:58:18.356
Uh, yeah, yeah.

00:58:18.396 --> 00:58:20.057
There's berserker, but, but also the,

00:58:20.117 --> 00:58:21.318
the John wick stuff too.

00:58:22.278 --> 00:58:22.460
Um,

00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:24.360
just because the visual aesthetics of that

00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:26.523
leads to more of a cinematic feel.

00:58:26.543 --> 00:58:29.045
And I would love for something like that

00:58:29.085 --> 00:58:30.686
to be picked up cinematically for

00:58:30.726 --> 00:58:31.286
adaptation.

00:58:31.327 --> 00:58:31.407
Um,

00:58:32.248 --> 00:58:35.010
um that would be really cool in in

00:58:35.050 --> 00:58:36.672
going back to like the business side of

00:58:36.731 --> 00:58:39.132
it regardless of what you want your indie

00:58:39.193 --> 00:58:42.036
comics to be my original dream was

00:58:42.076 --> 00:58:44.297
screenwriting was getting something on the

00:58:44.336 --> 00:58:47.420
screen so there's so many that i get

00:58:47.659 --> 00:58:50.461
a chance to talk to that their their

00:58:50.501 --> 00:58:53.784
dream was uh the silver screen yeah and

00:58:53.965 --> 00:58:54.164
uh

00:58:55.246 --> 00:58:58.188
it comic books ends up being like their,

00:58:58.909 --> 00:59:00.889
their fail safe or their,

00:59:01.309 --> 00:59:02.931
where their path ends up landing them,

00:59:03.070 --> 00:59:03.831
I guess you could say.

00:59:04.190 --> 00:59:04.632
Yeah.

00:59:04.652 --> 00:59:05.251
And, um,

00:59:06.806 --> 00:59:09.068
I know Jess Silvetti and E.B.

00:59:09.108 --> 00:59:11.130
Coogan, they actually work in Hollywood.

00:59:11.170 --> 00:59:13.172
They have movies being produced,

00:59:13.351 --> 00:59:15.193
and they produce.

00:59:15.733 --> 00:59:16.855
It's possible.

00:59:16.934 --> 00:59:18.197
It's possible, absolutely,

00:59:18.217 --> 00:59:18.896
a hundred percent.

00:59:19.697 --> 00:59:22.541
And they're great, great writers.

00:59:23.141 --> 00:59:26.063
And their comic book, Shockhead at Peter,

00:59:26.143 --> 00:59:27.784
that's the name I was thinking of earlier.

00:59:28.306 --> 00:59:31.188
That's the one that Sabe does with E.B.

00:59:31.208 --> 00:59:32.409
Coogan and Jess Silvetti.

00:59:33.389 --> 00:59:35.451
okay it's a brilliant brilliant comic book

00:59:35.570 --> 00:59:37.492
i know they just funded issue number two

00:59:38.172 --> 00:59:40.114
which issue number one i have it was

00:59:40.153 --> 00:59:42.715
a brilliant read issue two from why i've

00:59:42.755 --> 00:59:45.956
got the sampler that i've gotten so good

00:59:46.436 --> 00:59:48.378
and then at the same time he announced

00:59:48.458 --> 00:59:50.780
when he was on the podcast that he

00:59:50.820 --> 00:59:52.481
had a movie that he was helping to

00:59:52.740 --> 00:59:54.902
or he was producing on i believe yeah

00:59:56.023 --> 00:59:56.764
So it's kind of cool.

00:59:56.804 --> 00:59:58.485
And then that movie came out.

00:59:59.226 --> 01:00:00.168
I'm just like, oh,

01:00:00.208 --> 01:00:02.650
that's so cool that I kind of got

01:00:02.670 --> 01:00:03.990
the, not the breaking news on there,

01:00:04.010 --> 01:00:05.052
but he, I was like,

01:00:05.172 --> 01:00:06.612
I got kind of the scoop on it

01:00:06.652 --> 01:00:09.235
before it actually hit the silver screen.

01:00:09.255 --> 01:00:10.155
So that was kind of cool.

01:00:10.556 --> 01:00:11.157
That's awesome.

01:00:11.936 --> 01:00:12.077
Yeah.

01:00:12.097 --> 01:00:12.478
That's, that's,

01:00:13.077 --> 01:00:14.239
that's one thing I keep in mind when

01:00:14.278 --> 01:00:16.001
I write, I always write for the visual.

01:00:17.659 --> 01:00:19.679
And sometimes I want it to be cinematic

01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:20.320
for a reason.

01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:22.199
And it's for that very reason because

01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:25.059
Hollywood doesn't do originals very much

01:00:25.099 --> 01:00:25.420
anymore.

01:00:25.641 --> 01:00:26.701
I don't know if you've been watching a

01:00:26.740 --> 01:00:27.340
lot of movies.

01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:28.481
Very,

01:00:28.541 --> 01:00:30.722
very few times I've been impressed by what

01:00:30.762 --> 01:00:31.822
comes out of Hollywood,

01:00:31.882 --> 01:00:33.001
the traditional Hollywood.

01:00:33.021 --> 01:00:35.942
And it's not been much.

01:00:35.961 --> 01:00:39.643
A lot of it's either echoes of old

01:00:39.682 --> 01:00:42.563
school action movies or it's dramedies

01:00:42.583 --> 01:00:43.724
with a bit of action now.

01:00:44.936 --> 01:00:47.097
Kevin James did one with the lead actor,

01:00:47.117 --> 01:00:48.398
a reacher I watched on Amazon,

01:00:48.438 --> 01:00:49.318
which was really funny.

01:00:49.898 --> 01:00:50.480
Yeah.

01:00:50.500 --> 01:00:52.121
That was like kindergarten cop and

01:00:52.161 --> 01:00:53.922
something else had a, yeah.

01:00:53.942 --> 01:00:55.202
I had a baby in that other movie

01:00:55.483 --> 01:00:56.202
with, um,

01:00:56.483 --> 01:00:58.704
triple H with the bus or whatever.

01:00:59.184 --> 01:00:59.605
Oh yeah.

01:01:01.025 --> 01:01:02.447
That's kind of what it reminded me of,

01:01:02.646 --> 01:01:04.168
but they were both really funny though.

01:01:04.387 --> 01:01:04.967
Oh yeah.

01:01:05.027 --> 01:01:06.929
They were, well, it was an interesting,

01:01:07.070 --> 01:01:08.190
it was an interesting dynamic.

01:01:08.210 --> 01:01:10.452
It was like, it's like, it's like, uh,

01:01:10.572 --> 01:01:11.552
it's like the white version of

01:01:11.612 --> 01:01:12.713
intelligence, uh,

01:01:12.893 --> 01:01:14.034
central intelligence with,

01:01:14.114 --> 01:01:18.077
with the rock and Kevin, Kevin, uh, yeah,

01:01:18.097 --> 01:01:18.559
Kevin Hart.

01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:19.719
That was, that was a great movie.

01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:20.701
Uh,

01:01:20.740 --> 01:01:22.501
but it's just not a lot of originality.

01:01:22.601 --> 01:01:23.724
And I know like a lot of my

01:01:23.764 --> 01:01:26.025
stories are set kind of in the hero

01:01:26.065 --> 01:01:27.987
genre or any genre,

01:01:28.027 --> 01:01:28.929
but a lot of them,

01:01:28.949 --> 01:01:31.311
they go into things like American line

01:01:31.351 --> 01:01:34.653
goes into very much the punisher vibe of

01:01:34.733 --> 01:01:35.454
clearing out,

01:01:36.260 --> 01:01:40.704
organized crime the samurai goes into the

01:01:40.804 --> 01:01:43.264
wild samurai goes into very much the

01:01:43.304 --> 01:01:45.405
street level crime of Tokyo and it also

01:01:45.445 --> 01:01:46.947
deals with international and foreign

01:01:47.427 --> 01:01:49.907
foreign crime as well Iron Jaguar deals

01:01:49.927 --> 01:01:52.110
with street level and then eventually you

01:01:52.130 --> 01:01:55.170
know supernatural threats there's another

01:01:55.210 --> 01:01:57.952
character that I have Red Nebula is

01:01:59.050 --> 01:02:01.295
a man who is created by a billion

01:02:01.335 --> 01:02:03.898
consciences and he comes to earth hoping

01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:05.702
to do the same thing that Superman and

01:02:05.742 --> 01:02:06.403
Green Lantern do.

01:02:06.956 --> 01:02:09.099
for DC and that's to protect his world

01:02:09.139 --> 01:02:11.800
from being, you know, taken over by this,

01:02:12.041 --> 01:02:14.083
uh, reptilian alien race,

01:02:14.143 --> 01:02:15.644
which is a mirror of some of the

01:02:16.085 --> 01:02:17.847
conspiracy theory stuff that goes.

01:02:17.907 --> 01:02:19.648
So it gets, it gets pretty,

01:02:19.789 --> 01:02:21.849
it gets pretty delts in,

01:02:22.030 --> 01:02:25.514
in sci-fi and mysticism organized crime.

01:02:25.534 --> 01:02:27.476
So you've got drama, you've got action,

01:02:27.496 --> 01:02:29.777
you've got, uh, emotional tyranny.

01:02:29.797 --> 01:02:31.099
You've got vigilantism.

01:02:31.179 --> 01:02:31.378
You,

01:02:31.438 --> 01:02:32.980
you have all these different aspects of

01:02:33.001 --> 01:02:33.460
duality.

01:02:34.507 --> 01:02:35.789
do you come up with all the origins

01:02:35.809 --> 01:02:39.231
yes um so this this is this is

01:02:39.632 --> 01:02:42.335
this is really cool cool question i'm i

01:02:42.394 --> 01:02:45.677
appreciate that mac aka your boy uh let

01:02:45.717 --> 01:02:47.559
me break it down for you the the

01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:49.501
way i came up and i described this

01:02:49.541 --> 01:02:51.663
earlier with wild oni was i looked into

01:02:51.702 --> 01:02:54.465
history and i was looking for a character

01:02:54.505 --> 01:02:56.847
to inspire me to create the story of

01:02:56.867 --> 01:02:57.889
wild oni like i knew

01:02:58.617 --> 01:03:00.219
I knew I wanted this character to make

01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:01.179
a pact with a demon.

01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:02.981
I knew I wanted this demon to be

01:03:03.101 --> 01:03:05.521
stuck in a meteoric prison.

01:03:06.503 --> 01:03:07.902
And I knew that he was going to

01:03:07.922 --> 01:03:09.704
have a family that tragically died that

01:03:09.824 --> 01:03:12.766
motivated him to just see nothing but red

01:03:12.885 --> 01:03:14.867
in his vengeance when he drew his sword.

01:03:15.467 --> 01:03:17.248
And so I discovered Morichika.

01:03:17.449 --> 01:03:19.070
And from that, I read his story.

01:03:19.250 --> 01:03:20.831
There's very little information because

01:03:20.851 --> 01:03:22.431
there's not a lot of international servers

01:03:22.472 --> 01:03:22.952
that share

01:03:23.621 --> 01:03:25.583
I was unsuccessful in my attempt to reach

01:03:25.643 --> 01:03:28.364
out to anybody with professional wisdom on

01:03:29.346 --> 01:03:30.206
Japanese history.

01:03:30.226 --> 01:03:33.188
I've had to buy many books to try

01:03:33.208 --> 01:03:37.012
and piece together cultural things.

01:03:37.231 --> 01:03:38.432
Video games kind of help fill in the

01:03:38.472 --> 01:03:40.114
gaps with some of the cultural stuff,

01:03:40.153 --> 01:03:42.115
like the way they do tea and their

01:03:42.155 --> 01:03:44.398
mannerisms and how respects works and

01:03:44.538 --> 01:03:46.579
roles of men and women and husbands and

01:03:46.619 --> 01:03:49.081
wives and regents and how land policy

01:03:49.101 --> 01:03:49.742
works and all that.

01:03:51.382 --> 01:03:54.523
the iron jaguar stuff i just really wanted

01:03:54.565 --> 01:03:56.425
to do something in mayan culture i love

01:03:56.445 --> 01:04:00.126
the jaguar funny funny story though no

01:04:00.166 --> 01:04:02.887
drugs included i was uh i had a

01:04:02.927 --> 01:04:05.829
dream and this dream was kind of like

01:04:05.849 --> 01:04:09.871
you ever play cubert the old school game

01:04:09.931 --> 01:04:10.331
on sega

01:04:10.699 --> 01:04:12.722
yeah so you jump on the little thingies

01:04:13.322 --> 01:04:15.324
they kind of look like the octagon uh

01:04:15.364 --> 01:04:17.686
blocks that you set up tabletop games with

01:04:17.706 --> 01:04:19.367
yeah so i was in a dream i

01:04:19.387 --> 01:04:20.847
was standing on those and there were like

01:04:21.309 --> 01:04:23.429
lights all around this huge just

01:04:23.590 --> 01:04:27.594
multi-columned cubert style game board and

01:04:27.954 --> 01:04:29.735
um i kept hearing growling and from that

01:04:29.795 --> 01:04:31.297
i came face to face with the jaguar

01:04:31.697 --> 01:04:34.760
uh when i woke up don't ask me

01:04:35.099 --> 01:04:36.800
i just iron jaguar was born

01:04:39.496 --> 01:04:41.137
Yeah, the little orange dude.

01:04:42.197 --> 01:04:44.559
Yeah, the little orange dude.

01:04:44.599 --> 01:04:45.981
And that kind of inspired me.

01:04:46.121 --> 01:04:47.521
And I was a huge fan of the

01:04:47.561 --> 01:04:48.402
movie El Dorado.

01:04:49.503 --> 01:04:50.684
As everybody should be.

01:04:50.704 --> 01:04:52.045
Yeah, from our past.

01:04:52.166 --> 01:04:57.289
And the guy that worshipped the jaguar

01:04:57.329 --> 01:04:58.409
goddess of death was kind of the

01:04:58.449 --> 01:04:59.670
inspiration of that war.

01:04:59.751 --> 01:05:01.713
And so when I looked into the history

01:05:01.773 --> 01:05:02.413
of Mayans,

01:05:02.474 --> 01:05:05.576
I got really infatuated by the Klan War's

01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:08.001
of the eleventh and twelfth centuries.

01:05:08.041 --> 01:05:10.344
So while you had England over here and

01:05:10.443 --> 01:05:15.387
Iraq trying to take Israel in the Middle

01:05:15.487 --> 01:05:17.329
East during the eleventh century,

01:05:18.570 --> 01:05:21.293
in the South American peninsula,

01:05:21.753 --> 01:05:23.295
you had all these clans of Native

01:05:23.315 --> 01:05:23.795
Americans,

01:05:23.876 --> 01:05:27.338
South Americans warring for who's going to

01:05:27.378 --> 01:05:30.442
conquer culture and territory and land.

01:05:32.125 --> 01:05:34.106
in south american culture they take slaves

01:05:34.146 --> 01:05:36.606
when they take over clans women usually

01:05:36.646 --> 01:05:40.088
become their new wives and they make more

01:05:40.128 --> 01:05:42.309
kids and that's how they conquer the land

01:05:42.369 --> 01:05:45.132
over there but newt to call stuck out

01:05:45.172 --> 01:05:47.612
to me because there was this prince who

01:05:47.913 --> 01:05:51.315
rose up from uh from nothing and saved

01:05:51.375 --> 01:05:52.856
his clan by

01:05:54.059 --> 01:05:57.061
basically being smarter tactically than

01:05:57.141 --> 01:06:00.322
all the other chiefs or upcoming chiefs.

01:06:00.842 --> 01:06:02.724
He ended up getting a lot of land

01:06:02.744 --> 01:06:05.445
for his clan up until the time where

01:06:05.527 --> 01:06:07.827
Spaniards were landing in South America.

01:06:08.628 --> 01:06:10.190
And they were kind of forcing clans out

01:06:10.210 --> 01:06:10.869
of territory.

01:06:10.909 --> 01:06:13.771
And so the resolution for them was to

01:06:13.831 --> 01:06:15.773
go into other unexplored territory and

01:06:15.813 --> 01:06:16.853
take over and start anew.

01:06:18.088 --> 01:06:19.650
And so I was like, well, what if,

01:06:19.791 --> 01:06:21.313
what if they weren't going to survive

01:06:21.353 --> 01:06:21.653
this?

01:06:21.693 --> 01:06:22.896
What if he had to make a hard

01:06:22.936 --> 01:06:23.436
decision?

01:06:23.496 --> 01:06:25.619
And it was a hard decision because with

01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:27.923
the acceptance of this new to call

01:06:27.963 --> 01:06:28.864
subterranean home,

01:06:28.925 --> 01:06:30.628
they could never leave came immortality.

01:06:31.320 --> 01:06:33.641
surrounded by the energy of this ultimate

01:06:33.860 --> 01:06:36.740
universal power um and that was the gem

01:06:36.780 --> 01:06:38.342
and that's what gave him the powers of

01:06:38.501 --> 01:06:40.501
jay jaguar he was able to you know

01:06:40.581 --> 01:06:44.222
strength and speed and jaguar-like

01:06:44.262 --> 01:06:46.923
abilities from you know the anime guy

01:06:47.123 --> 01:06:49.045
spirit that i was kind of drawing

01:06:49.065 --> 01:06:49.784
inspiration from

01:06:51.172 --> 01:06:53.974
um other origins though like american lion

01:06:54.074 --> 01:06:55.596
i just wanted to write a punisher story

01:06:56.076 --> 01:06:58.317
uh it couldn't be punisher of course i'm

01:06:58.336 --> 01:07:00.599
a huge lion i'm a leo so the

01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:03.579
lion is like i don't care if people

01:07:03.619 --> 01:07:05.981
talk bad about lions they make women go

01:07:06.001 --> 01:07:08.123
get the food like in a traditional

01:07:08.163 --> 01:07:09.804
marriage your wife is cooking you dinner

01:07:09.963 --> 01:07:11.644
like you do all the other important stuff

01:07:11.684 --> 01:07:14.626
security and all that that's not why i

01:07:14.666 --> 01:07:17.208
made that character i just the lion draws

01:07:17.268 --> 01:07:19.449
in strength he's not afraid of anybody on

01:07:19.469 --> 01:07:20.050
the savannah

01:07:21.041 --> 01:07:23.987
He doesn't ask anybody for questions for

01:07:24.047 --> 01:07:24.429
help.

01:07:24.849 --> 01:07:26.672
He doesn't ask for permission to go.

01:07:27.568 --> 01:07:30.911
know into a diner and kill whoever he

01:07:30.931 --> 01:07:33.052
thinks is bad i know that makes him

01:07:33.092 --> 01:07:36.612
a vigilantism and but there are some areas

01:07:36.733 --> 01:07:39.034
of story to explore there that have to

01:07:39.074 --> 01:07:42.115
do with the morality and and some of

01:07:42.135 --> 01:07:44.476
the more finer points of humanity that are

01:07:44.496 --> 01:07:46.637
a little darker more grim kind of like

01:07:46.677 --> 01:07:48.878
in the some of the batman some of

01:07:48.898 --> 01:07:51.239
the batman stuff from later on especially

01:07:51.260 --> 01:07:52.260
like during the hush years

01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:55.181
that I kind of draw inspiration from.

01:07:55.202 --> 01:07:56.844
The Hush here is like my favorite stuff

01:07:56.864 --> 01:07:58.784
in the current ongoing Hush too as well.

01:08:00.005 --> 01:08:00.766
Such a good read.

01:08:01.146 --> 01:08:02.447
This is my little lion right here.

01:08:02.487 --> 01:08:07.411
This is Evie.

01:08:07.451 --> 01:08:08.130
She's adorable.

01:08:09.311 --> 01:08:10.913
And Matt says that's dope and there's no

01:08:10.932 --> 01:08:12.833
way I could think of such a creative

01:08:12.873 --> 01:08:13.474
story like that.

01:08:13.813 --> 01:08:15.574
Matt, I know you better than that dude,

01:08:15.594 --> 01:08:17.475
and I know you came in.

01:08:17.555 --> 01:08:19.497
I've known you for twenty years, bro.

01:08:20.436 --> 01:08:21.417
That's not even true,

01:08:21.457 --> 01:08:22.878
and it really doesn't have to be about

01:08:22.939 --> 01:08:23.599
heroes, too.

01:08:23.698 --> 01:08:25.220
There's been a lot of great characters in

01:08:25.260 --> 01:08:27.280
comics that weren't heroes.

01:08:27.360 --> 01:08:28.681
I mean, look at Scott Pilgrim.

01:08:28.721 --> 01:08:29.442
He wasn't a hero.

01:08:29.462 --> 01:08:30.542
He was just a guy who wanted a

01:08:30.582 --> 01:08:31.122
girlfriend,

01:08:31.884 --> 01:08:34.104
and he ended up having to conquer all

01:08:34.125 --> 01:08:35.145
these different obstacles.

01:08:35.225 --> 01:08:37.806
I'm laughing because that's literally his

01:08:37.886 --> 01:08:39.027
favorite fucking story.

01:08:39.287 --> 01:08:39.667
Is it?

01:08:39.948 --> 01:08:40.148
Is it?

01:08:40.167 --> 01:08:42.109
He's a huge Scott Pilgrim fan.

01:08:42.828 --> 01:08:44.390
I love the series so much.

01:08:44.449 --> 01:08:45.551
I was tickled when they made it a

01:08:45.591 --> 01:08:46.832
movie, and then when I watched the movie,

01:08:46.851 --> 01:08:47.993
I was like, ah, the books are better.

01:08:48.193 --> 01:08:51.314
The animated story was really good, too.

01:08:51.395 --> 01:08:53.016
I hated the fact they canceled it early.

01:08:53.917 --> 01:08:56.139
See, that's fucking hilarious.

01:08:56.198 --> 01:08:56.498
Hang on.

01:08:58.359 --> 01:08:59.440
I told you, that's his guy.

01:08:59.461 --> 01:09:02.182
The moment you said Scott Pilgrim,

01:09:02.203 --> 01:09:02.842
I was like, dude,

01:09:02.863 --> 01:09:05.225
that's so funny because I love Scott

01:09:05.244 --> 01:09:05.465
Pilgrim.

01:09:05.645 --> 01:09:07.327
I mean, look at Ready Player One.

01:09:08.430 --> 01:09:09.610
Dude, so good.

01:09:10.671 --> 01:09:11.292
Not a hero,

01:09:11.332 --> 01:09:13.132
but he became a hero for everybody else

01:09:13.153 --> 01:09:14.354
when he saw the thing that he loved

01:09:14.394 --> 01:09:14.994
was threatened.

01:09:17.555 --> 01:09:22.119
Hey, Commissioner Gordon, not a superhero,

01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:25.282
but he even stood up to Batman sometimes

01:09:25.301 --> 01:09:26.382
when he got out the rails.

01:09:28.234 --> 01:09:30.015
I watched him put the gun to Batman's

01:09:30.055 --> 01:09:31.136
face and I was like, no, dude,

01:09:31.157 --> 01:09:34.177
you're going home tonight.

01:09:34.198 --> 01:09:35.958
That was one of the wildest issues I've

01:09:36.019 --> 01:09:36.599
ever seen.

01:09:36.859 --> 01:09:38.479
Gordon was like, nah,

01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:40.560
I'll take you home myself and held the

01:09:40.600 --> 01:09:41.161
gun to him.

01:09:41.180 --> 01:09:42.161
I was like, jeez,

01:09:42.201 --> 01:09:44.202
Commissioner Gordon ain't playing with

01:09:44.242 --> 01:09:45.322
Batman right now.

01:09:46.002 --> 01:09:46.222
Look,

01:09:46.483 --> 01:09:47.842
I read a lot of Oni Press stuff,

01:09:47.882 --> 01:09:49.363
but only because they publish Rick and

01:09:49.404 --> 01:09:49.743
Morty.

01:09:50.024 --> 01:09:52.265
Not Heroes, but a lot of people.

01:09:52.284 --> 01:09:52.864
Not no more.

01:09:52.885 --> 01:09:55.827
Oni Press' contract ended with...

01:09:57.713 --> 01:09:59.636
Rick and Morty in December of twenty

01:09:59.655 --> 01:10:00.317
twenty five.

01:10:00.396 --> 01:10:03.859
So no said it's I don't know if

01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:06.082
another company is picking up Rick and

01:10:06.122 --> 01:10:07.963
Morty, but as of right now,

01:10:08.965 --> 01:10:10.827
nobody has Rick and Morty.

01:10:11.407 --> 01:10:12.988
Oh, man, that's a tragedy.

01:10:13.009 --> 01:10:15.711
But, you know, Jerry, not a hero,

01:10:15.770 --> 01:10:17.113
but he's done some heroic things.

01:10:17.993 --> 01:10:19.094
It's really all about.

01:10:19.954 --> 01:10:22.938
So I tell people when I'm in writing

01:10:22.957 --> 01:10:24.659
stuff, writing classes,

01:10:25.240 --> 01:10:26.983
because I was this year,

01:10:27.023 --> 01:10:28.564
I stepped down to media and communication

01:10:28.585 --> 01:10:29.324
for the Writing Guild.

01:10:29.905 --> 01:10:30.686
I was VP,

01:10:30.726 --> 01:10:32.168
but we did a lot of workshops.

01:10:32.828 --> 01:10:34.051
I've given a few speeches.

01:10:34.490 --> 01:10:36.353
I've talked at a few conventions on

01:10:36.393 --> 01:10:37.734
writing and how to publish comic books.

01:10:38.234 --> 01:10:41.938
The thing about writing should be the play

01:10:41.997 --> 01:10:43.057
of creating characters.

01:10:43.859 --> 01:10:45.640
And one of the coolest things I ever

01:10:45.659 --> 01:10:46.560
did in a workshop,

01:10:47.360 --> 01:10:49.162
which I was still learning at the time,

01:10:50.082 --> 01:10:51.823
my good friend put that workshop on,

01:10:52.083 --> 01:10:55.286
and it was interviewing a character that

01:10:55.326 --> 01:10:56.346
you wanted to create.

01:10:56.407 --> 01:10:58.849
So think about a character that you wanted

01:10:58.868 --> 01:11:01.831
to create and then create a list of

01:11:01.890 --> 01:11:03.471
questions, no more than five,

01:11:03.532 --> 01:11:04.471
no less than four,

01:11:06.012 --> 01:11:07.814
on what you would ask them about

01:11:07.873 --> 01:11:08.594
themselves.

01:11:09.654 --> 01:11:11.076
It could be as simple as what do

01:11:11.095 --> 01:11:11.615
you want?

01:11:12.076 --> 01:11:13.537
Where were you born?

01:11:14.197 --> 01:11:15.597
What favorite music do you like?

01:11:17.458 --> 01:11:18.418
What's your favorite food?

01:11:19.099 --> 01:11:20.180
Do you have any family members?

01:11:20.520 --> 01:11:21.940
That line of questioning right there

01:11:22.661 --> 01:11:26.203
starts this entire kind of like character

01:11:26.262 --> 01:11:26.962
monologue.

01:11:27.483 --> 01:11:29.984
That's the way to go about doing that.

01:11:30.083 --> 01:11:31.364
I actually like that a lot.

01:11:32.204 --> 01:11:32.765
And from that,

01:11:32.805 --> 01:11:33.985
you can create more questions.

01:11:34.006 --> 01:11:36.527
And if it becomes fun, sky's the limit.

01:11:36.546 --> 01:11:36.686
I mean,

01:11:36.726 --> 01:11:38.247
you can fill up a whole notebook like

01:11:38.268 --> 01:11:38.387
that.

01:11:38.408 --> 01:11:39.448
And by the time you're at the end

01:11:39.469 --> 01:11:40.128
of that notebook,

01:11:40.149 --> 01:11:41.869
you can extract those answers.

01:11:41.890 --> 01:11:43.690
They have almost a story.

01:11:44.271 --> 01:11:44.612
Brother,

01:11:44.731 --> 01:11:47.012
I have a whole rack of notebooks that

01:11:47.033 --> 01:11:48.453
would make Michaels look

01:11:49.658 --> 01:11:51.939
like they don't even have enough that's

01:11:51.979 --> 01:11:54.399
funny because you know i got i know

01:11:54.420 --> 01:11:55.860
exactly what you're talking about because

01:11:55.921 --> 01:11:58.942
as i've been like writing ideas because

01:11:58.981 --> 01:12:01.082
i'm developing some stuff as well and

01:12:01.381 --> 01:12:04.403
congrats um like you know you get you

01:12:04.443 --> 01:12:08.104
get to that third notebook and you're like

01:12:08.123 --> 01:12:09.384
i want to need more notebooks and more

01:12:09.463 --> 01:12:11.444
shelf space because all of a sudden you

01:12:11.484 --> 01:12:11.664
know

01:12:13.003 --> 01:12:14.585
I guess even a lot of it makes

01:12:14.744 --> 01:12:15.824
zero sense.

01:12:16.104 --> 01:12:18.407
It makes zero sense, you know,

01:12:18.966 --> 01:12:20.106
but at the same time,

01:12:20.648 --> 01:12:22.689
it makes a hundred percent sense to me

01:12:22.708 --> 01:12:25.149
because I know what each one of those

01:12:25.189 --> 01:12:28.992
little sentences and little ideas and this

01:12:29.051 --> 01:12:29.952
little concept here.

01:12:29.971 --> 01:12:31.592
I know what that, that is like,

01:12:31.613 --> 01:12:33.894
I know what, when I wrote color splash,

01:12:33.953 --> 01:12:35.494
I know what I'm talking about, you know?

01:12:35.515 --> 01:12:35.935
Yeah.

01:12:37.354 --> 01:12:38.395
I get to do this from the editor's

01:12:38.435 --> 01:12:39.296
chair sometimes,

01:12:39.537 --> 01:12:40.838
and I definitely do this from the writer's

01:12:40.878 --> 01:12:41.699
chair.

01:12:41.899 --> 01:12:43.061
If I could give a nugget to your

01:12:43.101 --> 01:12:43.561
audience.

01:12:44.403 --> 01:12:44.963
Yeah, no, please.

01:12:44.984 --> 01:12:47.606
That's actually like quite literally.

01:12:49.368 --> 01:12:51.051
It's one of the last questions I ask

01:12:51.091 --> 01:12:52.773
each time is what advice would you give

01:12:52.832 --> 01:12:55.194
creators trying to balance creativity,

01:12:55.275 --> 01:12:57.899
family, sustainability, just like.

01:12:59.042 --> 01:13:01.423
What do you have for other creatives out

01:13:01.463 --> 01:13:01.863
there?

01:13:02.604 --> 01:13:03.125
So much.

01:13:03.265 --> 01:13:04.626
We can do a whole other podcast on

01:13:04.666 --> 01:13:05.466
it, but I'll keep it brief.

01:13:06.027 --> 01:13:06.648
I'll keep it brief.

01:13:08.149 --> 01:13:09.750
You don't need a master's degree to be

01:13:09.770 --> 01:13:11.251
a writer, to be a great author.

01:13:11.331 --> 01:13:13.372
You don't need a bachelor's degree to be

01:13:13.393 --> 01:13:13.993
a great editor.

01:13:15.253 --> 01:13:16.914
I do say that as you study and

01:13:16.954 --> 01:13:17.315
you learn,

01:13:17.416 --> 01:13:18.877
you do create a vacuum in skills.

01:13:19.896 --> 01:13:22.038
Those have led me to be just a

01:13:22.099 --> 01:13:24.300
detailed person who catches things that

01:13:24.341 --> 01:13:25.320
makes me a great editor.

01:13:25.921 --> 01:13:26.981
A lot of that, though,

01:13:27.203 --> 01:13:28.462
is my people skills,

01:13:28.502 --> 01:13:31.265
which helps me become a good teacher to

01:13:31.305 --> 01:13:32.506
those who don't know.

01:13:32.525 --> 01:13:33.606
And you don't know what you don't know

01:13:33.627 --> 01:13:34.387
until you know it.

01:13:34.807 --> 01:13:35.729
And then once you know it,

01:13:35.828 --> 01:13:37.048
you can get better from it.

01:13:37.550 --> 01:13:40.271
With that led me into the study of

01:13:40.952 --> 01:13:42.873
amalgamation of different writing

01:13:42.934 --> 01:13:44.595
techniques, everything from Save the Cat,

01:13:45.324 --> 01:13:47.846
to Dan Harmon's story circles,

01:13:48.707 --> 01:13:50.529
to the classic hero's journey,

01:13:51.490 --> 01:13:53.572
and then into the four-act structure,

01:13:53.612 --> 01:13:55.094
which is what animes are written in.

01:13:55.573 --> 01:13:57.935
But the most unique and effective quick

01:13:57.975 --> 01:14:00.578
way to create an entire story,

01:14:01.179 --> 01:14:02.000
six questions.

01:14:02.539 --> 01:14:04.122
It's the six essential questions.

01:14:04.721 --> 01:14:06.083
The first one is, who is it about?

01:14:06.104 --> 01:14:06.823
Okay,

01:14:06.844 --> 01:14:07.805
this is going to give you your main

01:14:07.845 --> 01:14:08.225
character.

01:14:09.265 --> 01:14:10.726
And that's a big thing because if you're

01:14:10.747 --> 01:14:11.967
a character writer like I am,

01:14:12.028 --> 01:14:13.408
don't focus so much on plot.

01:14:13.868 --> 01:14:15.649
You're diving into the internal and

01:14:15.748 --> 01:14:18.331
external workings of one character that

01:14:18.390 --> 01:14:20.131
the reader follows throughout the entire

01:14:20.150 --> 01:14:21.072
progression of the story.

01:14:22.252 --> 01:14:23.393
What do they want?

01:14:23.453 --> 01:14:25.394
What does the character want as far as

01:14:25.654 --> 01:14:27.515
the current standing of this character?

01:14:28.569 --> 01:14:29.850
At the beginning of the character and the

01:14:29.930 --> 01:14:31.872
opening image of your story where we get

01:14:31.912 --> 01:14:32.912
the inciting incident,

01:14:32.932 --> 01:14:34.252
your character wants something.

01:14:34.293 --> 01:14:35.694
They either failed at something and they

01:14:35.713 --> 01:14:36.395
want to get better.

01:14:36.414 --> 01:14:37.935
They lost something and they want to find

01:14:37.996 --> 01:14:38.076
it.

01:14:38.895 --> 01:14:40.537
They want something that's really hard to

01:14:40.577 --> 01:14:41.938
get and they'll do nothing.

01:14:42.078 --> 01:14:44.399
They'll do absolutely anything and stop at

01:14:44.500 --> 01:14:45.300
nothing to get it.

01:14:45.860 --> 01:14:46.480
What do they want?

01:14:47.301 --> 01:14:47.942
Super simple.

01:14:47.981 --> 01:14:49.101
Why can't they get it?

01:14:50.023 --> 01:14:51.804
So this is where the obstacles come into

01:14:51.844 --> 01:14:52.064
play.

01:14:52.104 --> 01:14:52.224
Well,

01:14:52.264 --> 01:14:53.604
why can't they get that thing that they

01:14:53.645 --> 01:14:54.145
really want?

01:14:54.246 --> 01:14:55.365
Why is it so hard?

01:14:57.676 --> 01:14:58.476
If they lost it,

01:14:58.618 --> 01:14:59.797
how come they lost it?

01:14:59.858 --> 01:15:00.519
What happened?

01:15:00.538 --> 01:15:01.859
That type of thing.

01:15:01.979 --> 01:15:03.260
What can they do about it?

01:15:03.340 --> 01:15:05.560
This is the action that solves the

01:15:05.661 --> 01:15:07.681
obstacles that gets them through.

01:15:08.042 --> 01:15:09.703
How can they find what they lost?

01:15:09.743 --> 01:15:10.623
Where do they need to go?

01:15:11.083 --> 01:15:12.965
It also opens the door to other questions.

01:15:13.545 --> 01:15:16.067
Why doesn't that work?

01:15:16.106 --> 01:15:19.429
Towards the end, after the break into two,

01:15:19.469 --> 01:15:20.189
break into three,

01:15:20.788 --> 01:15:22.569
which I'm quoting Save the Cat Beats

01:15:22.590 --> 01:15:25.572
there, where...

01:15:27.228 --> 01:15:29.131
what your hero, what your character does,

01:15:29.150 --> 01:15:29.931
your protagonist,

01:15:29.971 --> 01:15:31.293
however you want to define them in your

01:15:31.314 --> 01:15:32.735
story, what they try doesn't work.

01:15:34.082 --> 01:15:35.823
There's a cataclysmic event that happens.

01:15:35.863 --> 01:15:36.744
They try to save it.

01:15:36.805 --> 01:15:37.364
It doesn't work.

01:15:37.425 --> 01:15:39.065
Superman tries to catch a rocket.

01:15:39.086 --> 01:15:39.707
It blows up.

01:15:39.747 --> 01:15:40.287
People die.

01:15:40.787 --> 01:15:41.887
He should have cut it higher.

01:15:41.927 --> 01:15:43.269
He should have used a spree's breath.

01:15:43.628 --> 01:15:45.449
Whatever he didn't do, it didn't work.

01:15:45.710 --> 01:15:47.490
And because of that, consequences happen.

01:15:48.051 --> 01:15:50.792
And that's something to notate in that

01:15:50.832 --> 01:15:51.153
spot.

01:15:52.234 --> 01:15:53.515
So once you get done with why doesn't

01:15:53.534 --> 01:15:53.935
that work,

01:15:53.975 --> 01:15:55.416
here's the most important question.

01:15:55.716 --> 01:15:57.377
And this might mess with some people

01:15:57.417 --> 01:15:59.078
because not everybody can come up with

01:15:59.097 --> 01:16:00.298
this right away.

01:16:01.430 --> 01:16:02.032
How does it end?

01:16:02.572 --> 01:16:03.672
How does the story end?

01:16:04.694 --> 01:16:05.375
How does it end?

01:16:05.694 --> 01:16:07.756
And the reason that's so hard is because

01:16:08.137 --> 01:16:10.099
there are writers out there who can see

01:16:10.479 --> 01:16:11.940
where they want to go but don't know

01:16:11.961 --> 01:16:13.922
how to start it or how to pad

01:16:13.962 --> 01:16:14.463
in the middle.

01:16:15.064 --> 01:16:16.445
Second act of every story is hard.

01:16:16.966 --> 01:16:18.106
But that's where you have your fun and

01:16:18.127 --> 01:16:18.407
games.

01:16:18.447 --> 01:16:19.627
That's where you can talk about your

01:16:19.646 --> 01:16:20.106
characters.

01:16:20.127 --> 01:16:21.028
That's where you get to play with the

01:16:21.108 --> 01:16:21.507
obstacles.

01:16:21.528 --> 01:16:23.048
That's where you get to play with your

01:16:23.109 --> 01:16:24.908
villain or your antagonistic force,

01:16:24.948 --> 01:16:27.770
whether it's man versus nature or man

01:16:27.791 --> 01:16:29.270
versus man or man versus machine.

01:16:30.030 --> 01:16:31.631
You get to do lots of things in

01:16:31.671 --> 01:16:31.931
Act II.

01:16:31.952 --> 01:16:33.552
You just got to know how to finesse

01:16:33.592 --> 01:16:35.654
it and when to do what and how

01:16:35.694 --> 01:16:37.113
you want your story progression to go.

01:16:37.154 --> 01:16:38.295
But these six questions...

01:16:39.427 --> 01:16:39.988
Who is it about?

01:16:40.328 --> 01:16:40.948
What do they want?

01:16:41.409 --> 01:16:42.211
Why can't they get it?

01:16:42.671 --> 01:16:43.631
What do they do about it?

01:16:43.832 --> 01:16:44.832
Why doesn't it work?

01:16:45.012 --> 01:16:45.753
How does it end?

01:16:45.934 --> 01:16:47.935
Are so essential to the beginning of your

01:16:47.975 --> 01:16:50.037
story that it creates enough beats that

01:16:50.057 --> 01:16:52.581
you can take that to the Dan Harmon

01:16:52.600 --> 01:16:54.422
Story Circle, the Save the Cat,

01:16:54.823 --> 01:16:55.884
or the Hero's Journey,

01:16:55.923 --> 01:16:57.284
and you can plug in these elements,

01:16:57.324 --> 01:16:58.567
and then you can fill in the gaps.

01:16:58.966 --> 01:17:00.427
That'll help unlock the story,

01:17:00.788 --> 01:17:01.328
and as you...

01:17:02.579 --> 01:17:05.962
As you become more familiar with the

01:17:06.021 --> 01:17:06.561
content,

01:17:07.643 --> 01:17:09.203
get another notebook and start writing

01:17:09.222 --> 01:17:10.804
down questions and just start answering

01:17:10.823 --> 01:17:11.043
them.

01:17:11.123 --> 01:17:12.345
If you've got to interview your character,

01:17:12.484 --> 01:17:12.885
do that.

01:17:13.364 --> 01:17:15.405
Maybe interview the narrator,

01:17:16.686 --> 01:17:18.028
which is the perspective you're going to

01:17:18.047 --> 01:17:18.967
write your story in,

01:17:19.507 --> 01:17:21.248
whether you use caption for comics or

01:17:21.288 --> 01:17:23.310
whether you use third person or first

01:17:23.350 --> 01:17:25.310
person for novels.

01:17:25.631 --> 01:17:26.971
It's going to be important because they're

01:17:26.992 --> 01:17:28.032
going to have to know everything that's

01:17:28.072 --> 01:17:29.353
going on because they're the person who's

01:17:29.372 --> 01:17:31.154
going to tell the reader what's happening.

01:17:32.796 --> 01:17:33.777
Do that.

01:17:34.256 --> 01:17:35.136
That's a quick way.

01:17:35.176 --> 01:17:36.938
I did this for an idea I had

01:17:36.997 --> 01:17:38.198
called A Toy Store at the End of

01:17:38.219 --> 01:17:40.420
the Universe just last night.

01:17:40.440 --> 01:17:41.461
It took me an hour and a half.

01:17:42.081 --> 01:17:44.462
I have four pages of information,

01:17:44.703 --> 01:17:45.663
one of questions,

01:17:45.863 --> 01:17:47.564
and I'm ready to move on to Save

01:17:47.585 --> 01:17:48.305
the Cat Beats.

01:17:48.765 --> 01:17:50.086
I already have the prologue written,

01:17:50.265 --> 01:17:51.606
and then chapter one and two are going

01:17:51.627 --> 01:17:53.587
to be so easy that I'm hoping to

01:17:53.608 --> 01:17:54.889
pitch by the end of next month.

01:17:55.628 --> 01:17:55.829
It's...

01:17:56.750 --> 01:17:57.871
It's super surreal.

01:17:57.931 --> 01:17:59.833
So I know you said you can't do

01:17:59.894 --> 01:18:01.274
it, your boy, but you can.

01:18:01.735 --> 01:18:02.176
You can.

01:18:02.216 --> 01:18:02.936
Everybody can.

01:18:04.099 --> 01:18:04.738
Everybody can.

01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:06.560
I think we just lost the host.

01:18:07.762 --> 01:18:09.024
The chairman, where did you go?

01:18:12.127 --> 01:18:12.649
Oh, man.

01:18:15.712 --> 01:18:16.153
It is.

01:18:17.047 --> 01:18:18.128
Yeah, no, damn.

01:18:18.170 --> 01:18:22.014
I'll be doing some editing later.

01:18:22.774 --> 01:18:23.917
Thank you, internet service.

01:18:26.479 --> 01:18:27.841
I was sitting here listening.

01:18:27.862 --> 01:18:32.387
I was like, I started getting the spins.

01:18:32.547 --> 01:18:34.751
I was like, that was my internet.

01:18:35.091 --> 01:18:36.372
I was about to take off my hat,

01:18:36.412 --> 01:18:37.132
put the house on.

01:18:37.153 --> 01:18:39.314
All right, everybody at the USDN,

01:18:39.454 --> 01:18:40.395
I'm Inevitable Mike.

01:18:40.414 --> 01:18:41.555
This is not my podcast,

01:18:41.576 --> 01:18:42.556
but I'm filling in for my buddy,

01:18:42.596 --> 01:18:43.056
the chairman.

01:18:43.537 --> 01:18:46.579
Oh, man.

01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:49.903
It's funny because it's been so long since

01:18:49.943 --> 01:18:51.623
something like that has happened that I

01:18:51.644 --> 01:18:52.864
was just like, you know what?

01:18:52.885 --> 01:18:53.926
Let me give it a minute.

01:18:54.606 --> 01:18:56.368
Once the spinning stopped, I was like,

01:18:56.728 --> 01:18:57.248
refresh.

01:18:57.269 --> 01:18:58.890
And it was like, boom, popped back in.

01:18:58.930 --> 01:18:59.570
I was like, all right.

01:19:00.461 --> 01:19:02.221
Like, geez, that's but that's again,

01:19:02.261 --> 01:19:03.863
that's like the third time today my

01:19:03.922 --> 01:19:06.203
Internet has gave me the middle finger and

01:19:06.243 --> 01:19:08.043
was like, no.

01:19:08.144 --> 01:19:08.465
Earlier,

01:19:08.524 --> 01:19:09.845
he did it when I was working on

01:19:10.826 --> 01:19:13.046
stuff for Bruno for in the morning.

01:19:13.667 --> 01:19:14.527
So I was just like, come on.

01:19:14.827 --> 01:19:15.068
I'm like,

01:19:15.127 --> 01:19:16.728
please tell me it saved that part of

01:19:16.807 --> 01:19:16.868
it.

01:19:16.948 --> 01:19:17.408
And it didn't.

01:19:17.448 --> 01:19:19.569
So I ended up rewriting his whole entire

01:19:19.630 --> 01:19:22.331
interview again because nothing saved on

01:19:22.411 --> 01:19:22.490
it.

01:19:23.891 --> 01:19:25.613
The six essential questions that I spoke

01:19:25.634 --> 01:19:27.135
about, that's not my system.

01:19:27.154 --> 01:19:29.778
That's a system that I got from watching

01:19:29.877 --> 01:19:31.418
a dedicated YouTube channel on

01:19:31.498 --> 01:19:32.100
screenwriting.

01:19:32.899 --> 01:19:34.402
That system came from an interviewee.

01:19:35.141 --> 01:19:35.943
I've forgotten his name,

01:19:35.962 --> 01:19:36.844
but I'll send you a link to the

01:19:36.863 --> 01:19:37.725
video if you want to put it in

01:19:37.744 --> 01:19:38.244
the show notes.

01:19:39.707 --> 01:19:40.887
Aside from you said to me that you

01:19:40.908 --> 01:19:41.587
want to include it,

01:19:41.627 --> 01:19:43.050
just shoot it over and all it.

01:19:43.489 --> 01:19:46.211
I'll put it into the description of the

01:19:46.451 --> 01:19:47.810
actual YouTube description.

01:19:48.011 --> 01:19:49.712
So we give credit to the right creator

01:19:49.752 --> 01:19:50.612
for the right thing.

01:19:51.033 --> 01:19:52.073
It helped me out a lot.

01:19:52.573 --> 01:19:55.634
And I've studied story structure at

01:19:55.734 --> 01:19:56.134
length.

01:19:56.975 --> 01:19:59.194
Just don't get lost in the structure.

01:20:00.055 --> 01:20:01.956
The best way to really write down your

01:20:01.996 --> 01:20:04.497
story idea is to tell it to yourself

01:20:04.537 --> 01:20:05.077
on paper.

01:20:05.237 --> 01:20:08.518
This is how I wrote the thirty five

01:20:08.557 --> 01:20:09.338
page outline.

01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:12.399
for Iron Jaguar's graphic novel.

01:20:12.439 --> 01:20:13.701
When I when I come out with him,

01:20:13.740 --> 01:20:15.823
I'm going to go all in and I

01:20:15.842 --> 01:20:17.644
just want to do a graphic novel

01:20:18.430 --> 01:20:19.371
And if nobody wants it,

01:20:19.411 --> 01:20:21.431
I'll independently backtrack and create

01:20:21.652 --> 01:20:22.472
separate issues.

01:20:22.972 --> 01:20:24.194
But if somebody will pick it up,

01:20:24.253 --> 01:20:26.815
I'll let them carry the weight of breaking

01:20:26.855 --> 01:20:29.337
it down into issues and distributing it

01:20:29.417 --> 01:20:29.556
out.

01:20:30.057 --> 01:20:32.279
I just want his whole origin story out

01:20:32.298 --> 01:20:35.400
there because it drops so many characters,

01:20:35.440 --> 01:20:36.981
including the assassin Moccasin,

01:20:37.002 --> 01:20:39.984
which I'm super excited about because he

01:20:40.604 --> 01:20:42.065
debuted in The Black Dahlia,

01:20:42.645 --> 01:20:44.568
which was another Champions Comics recent

01:20:45.087 --> 01:20:46.328
Kickstarter that finally...

01:20:46.969 --> 01:20:48.970
nailed out towards the end of Tony twenty

01:20:48.990 --> 01:20:49.291
five.

01:20:50.131 --> 01:20:51.573
And he's he's got a he's got a

01:20:51.653 --> 01:20:54.454
plethora of backstory that's super unique.

01:20:54.895 --> 01:20:55.817
And that's what I tried to do.

01:20:55.856 --> 01:20:57.417
I try to craft and create unique

01:20:57.438 --> 01:20:57.898
characters.

01:20:58.458 --> 01:21:00.000
I would also tell your audience that, too,

01:21:00.039 --> 01:21:02.082
on top of the six essential questions for

01:21:02.101 --> 01:21:04.064
just getting your idea on paper,

01:21:04.724 --> 01:21:07.025
try to create characters that are unique

01:21:07.246 --> 01:21:07.886
and relatable.

01:21:08.606 --> 01:21:08.908
Don't

01:21:09.740 --> 01:21:11.844
don't give in to the trope the tropes

01:21:11.884 --> 01:21:13.966
happen you can't help some of those tropes

01:21:13.987 --> 01:21:16.350
a lot of story ideas they run into

01:21:16.390 --> 01:21:18.493
each other but every message is somewhat

01:21:18.853 --> 01:21:22.217
different that's okay but what i mean is

01:21:22.278 --> 01:21:25.221
don't don't make an echo that is exactly

01:21:25.261 --> 01:21:26.463
like your favorite character

01:21:27.610 --> 01:21:29.533
without it being some type of, you know,

01:21:29.632 --> 01:21:31.154
spin on the character itself,

01:21:31.173 --> 01:21:33.115
whether it be, you know, uh,

01:21:33.155 --> 01:21:34.898
the character inside the suit or the

01:21:34.938 --> 01:21:35.198
helmet,

01:21:35.217 --> 01:21:36.618
if you're working in the superhero genre

01:21:37.279 --> 01:21:38.621
or whether it's like,

01:21:38.661 --> 01:21:40.203
if you create your own version of K-pop

01:21:40.243 --> 01:21:41.344
demon hunters, that's fine.

01:21:41.384 --> 01:21:42.965
Just, I don't know, make them dudes.

01:21:43.865 --> 01:21:44.926
Maybe they don't sing.

01:21:44.966 --> 01:21:47.229
They just love K-pop and they get together

01:21:47.368 --> 01:21:48.850
as a group and listen to K-pop,

01:21:49.390 --> 01:21:50.471
but they're also demon hunters.

01:21:50.963 --> 01:21:53.365
it's it's mildly different and each one of

01:21:53.405 --> 01:21:54.426
those people would have different

01:21:54.447 --> 01:21:56.569
personalities from the characters that you

01:21:56.588 --> 01:21:58.671
know inspired you to write this story mori

01:21:58.690 --> 01:22:00.591
chika was inspired by the ghosts of

01:22:00.612 --> 01:22:04.074
tsushima uh video game just because i love

01:22:04.114 --> 01:22:06.716
the landscape but but not just because of

01:22:06.756 --> 01:22:08.338
it but just samurai culture in general

01:22:08.359 --> 01:22:10.921
yeah um a lot of the discipline is

01:22:10.961 --> 01:22:12.561
something that i envy in my own life

01:22:12.641 --> 01:22:14.083
my own personal life that i wish i

01:22:14.123 --> 01:22:15.625
had that i've been working on for years

01:22:16.225 --> 01:22:17.006
It's super hard.

01:22:17.046 --> 01:22:18.368
I just, I respect the culture.

01:22:18.408 --> 01:22:19.748
I wanted to tell a story in it.

01:22:20.270 --> 01:22:21.570
I wanted it to have supernatural

01:22:21.610 --> 01:22:23.271
characteristics and I wanted it to be a

01:22:23.332 --> 01:22:24.332
story of duality.

01:22:24.373 --> 01:22:26.435
So there's contrast to give the character

01:22:26.475 --> 01:22:29.018
that also gives something back to the

01:22:29.057 --> 01:22:31.140
reader, which is really hard to do,

01:22:31.220 --> 01:22:34.542
but it's that milestone where fun writing

01:22:34.603 --> 01:22:36.243
becomes professional writing and

01:22:36.283 --> 01:22:37.865
professional writing is something that

01:22:37.905 --> 01:22:38.947
gives you something that

01:22:39.167 --> 01:22:42.289
that you remember long after you've read

01:22:42.369 --> 01:22:44.150
or watched whatever product you just

01:22:44.190 --> 01:22:44.832
experienced,

01:22:45.452 --> 01:22:46.552
which is a lot of the reason why

01:22:46.613 --> 01:22:49.154
we have nostalgia and, and, and, um,

01:22:49.795 --> 01:22:51.235
and sentiment towards a lot of our

01:22:51.256 --> 01:22:53.817
favorite things being a part of, you know,

01:22:53.877 --> 01:22:57.018
the department of nerds, star Wars, early,

01:22:57.158 --> 01:22:58.618
early days of, uh, uh,

01:23:00.078 --> 01:23:03.121
Gallic damn Battlestar Galactica, uh,

01:23:03.320 --> 01:23:05.502
Stargate SG one, Star Trek,

01:23:05.542 --> 01:23:07.842
a lot of the sci-fis out there, early,

01:23:07.983 --> 01:23:10.823
early superheroes, um, jaws.

01:23:10.884 --> 01:23:12.685
If you're a horror fan was initially one

01:23:12.744 --> 01:23:14.805
of the most scariest movies that they ever

01:23:14.845 --> 01:23:15.126
made.

01:23:15.345 --> 01:23:16.025
Cause yeah,

01:23:16.305 --> 01:23:17.246
It was all in the music.

01:23:18.667 --> 01:23:20.146
Not a lot of people knew that their

01:23:20.266 --> 01:23:21.747
jump scares were a thing.

01:23:22.148 --> 01:23:23.207
Then you had Jason.

01:23:23.287 --> 01:23:25.689
You had my favorite, Leprechaun,

01:23:25.769 --> 01:23:28.270
Pumpkinhead, the Toy Master.

01:23:28.869 --> 01:23:30.070
I think it was called something different.

01:23:31.313 --> 01:23:32.354
Puppet Master, my bad.

01:23:32.373 --> 01:23:33.414
Puppet Master, yeah.

01:23:33.435 --> 01:23:35.898
Puppet Master is one of my favorite.

01:23:36.377 --> 01:23:37.680
You make toys that murder people.

01:23:38.581 --> 01:23:39.161
That's cool.

01:23:39.400 --> 01:23:40.061
Dude,

01:23:40.462 --> 01:23:41.583
there's going to be rumors that that's

01:23:41.604 --> 01:23:42.685
getting remade.

01:23:43.445 --> 01:23:44.947
You might get to get a new one

01:23:44.966 --> 01:23:45.547
of those.

01:23:46.427 --> 01:23:49.492
Imagine though with modern day CGI and all

01:23:49.532 --> 01:23:51.153
that stuff for that.

01:23:51.233 --> 01:23:52.814
It's going to be amazing.

01:23:54.015 --> 01:23:54.296
Yeah.

01:23:55.117 --> 01:23:55.917
Forget that, man.

01:23:55.938 --> 01:23:56.398
Like, look,

01:23:56.578 --> 01:23:58.259
let's jump to the AI thing real quick.

01:23:58.279 --> 01:24:00.900
I just want to make this known somewhere

01:24:01.140 --> 01:24:01.561
online.

01:24:02.101 --> 01:24:04.143
So I have a vision of the future

01:24:04.304 --> 01:24:05.064
for movies.

01:24:05.824 --> 01:24:07.786
There's going to be a machine one day.

01:24:08.065 --> 01:24:08.947
Someone's going to make one.

01:24:09.747 --> 01:24:11.529
It's going to have AI technology in it.

01:24:11.548 --> 01:24:13.029
I don't care how you feel about the

01:24:13.069 --> 01:24:13.850
copyright stuff.

01:24:14.310 --> 01:24:15.832
Just hear me out.

01:24:15.891 --> 01:24:16.792
Let's have a fun,

01:24:17.453 --> 01:24:19.213
quick note about my vision right here.

01:24:19.774 --> 01:24:20.875
There's going to be a machine that looks

01:24:20.895 --> 01:24:22.355
like the machine that you get in and

01:24:22.395 --> 01:24:24.438
take photos of for like five bucks.

01:24:25.795 --> 01:24:26.595
You're going to sit in there.

01:24:26.655 --> 01:24:27.296
It's going to close.

01:24:27.317 --> 01:24:28.018
It's going to lock.

01:24:28.057 --> 01:24:29.279
You're going to be able to create a

01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:32.762
movie in less than five minutes with a

01:24:32.823 --> 01:24:35.386
few key notes, a few keystrokes.

01:24:35.907 --> 01:24:36.747
It's going to ask you,

01:24:37.028 --> 01:24:38.029
would you like to watch it?

01:24:38.168 --> 01:24:38.949
You're going to watch it.

01:24:39.430 --> 01:24:41.052
You're going to be in that box for

01:24:41.073 --> 01:24:42.274
at least a few hours.

01:24:42.555 --> 01:24:43.855
At the end, it's going to ask you,

01:24:43.876 --> 01:24:44.976
would you like to buy the rights to

01:24:44.997 --> 01:24:45.478
this movie?

01:24:46.161 --> 01:24:47.122
And then in two hours,

01:24:47.162 --> 01:24:48.462
you can walk away with something that

01:24:48.502 --> 01:24:50.643
makes you however much money the economy

01:24:50.682 --> 01:24:51.963
will allow you to at the time of

01:24:52.003 --> 01:24:52.463
this invention.

01:24:52.484 --> 01:24:54.125
I see that going all kinds of wrongs

01:24:54.164 --> 01:24:55.945
in so many different ways and none of

01:24:55.966 --> 01:24:57.306
them are PG-XIII.

01:24:59.728 --> 01:25:01.309
So there would be some content

01:25:01.349 --> 01:25:02.909
restrictions on those, I'm sure.

01:25:03.689 --> 01:25:05.470
At least I hope the future creators of

01:25:05.490 --> 01:25:07.511
this device would be that fortuitous to

01:25:07.552 --> 01:25:07.733
think.

01:25:07.872 --> 01:25:08.872
Oh, they won't.

01:25:08.932 --> 01:25:10.413
That's what's going to maximize their

01:25:10.474 --> 01:25:12.435
money at the end of the day because

01:25:12.854 --> 01:25:13.775
that's what sells.

01:25:14.389 --> 01:25:15.690
Uh, maybe, maybe, you know,

01:25:15.810 --> 01:25:17.372
I hadn't considered that up until you said

01:25:17.432 --> 01:25:19.015
that, but, but it could be,

01:25:19.155 --> 01:25:21.118
could be one day that someone can create

01:25:21.158 --> 01:25:21.759
their own movie.

01:25:21.859 --> 01:25:22.039
I mean,

01:25:22.060 --> 01:25:23.421
they're kind of already doing this in the

01:25:23.521 --> 01:25:24.382
India space.

01:25:25.024 --> 01:25:26.525
Have you seen some of their like Pixar,

01:25:26.546 --> 01:25:28.708
like films, maybe an AI, like,

01:25:28.769 --> 01:25:30.692
I know there's a big conversation about it

01:25:30.771 --> 01:25:31.412
and there's.

01:25:32.148 --> 01:25:34.248
somewhat a subjective conversation to have

01:25:34.288 --> 01:25:36.650
on how it gets its content but eventually

01:25:36.671 --> 01:25:39.072
your copyright dies like if winnie the

01:25:39.112 --> 01:25:40.512
pooh coming out as a demon hunter has

01:25:40.613 --> 01:25:43.234
anything to say about it or a winnie

01:25:43.255 --> 01:25:48.337
the pooh was a demon yeah so and

01:25:48.358 --> 01:25:50.298
then like uh i forgot what they're calling

01:25:50.319 --> 01:25:51.119
that universe

01:25:51.939 --> 01:25:54.782
but yeah oh the ones about the movies

01:25:55.362 --> 01:25:57.564
yeah the baby boom just hit the uh

01:25:58.003 --> 01:26:00.786
oh did it within a day they announced

01:26:00.886 --> 01:26:02.346
they were making it so people are

01:26:02.407 --> 01:26:04.188
literally these companies are tracking

01:26:04.587 --> 01:26:07.729
when things are coming up and if they're

01:26:07.751 --> 01:26:09.591
not being renewed they're immediately

01:26:09.832 --> 01:26:12.934
getting the ip and making the horror movie

01:26:12.974 --> 01:26:14.895
based off of that ip like it's already

01:26:14.975 --> 01:26:16.756
made because they're dropping it almost

01:26:16.796 --> 01:26:18.317
immediately so you could tell

01:26:19.755 --> 01:26:21.994
that like the papa one that just they

01:26:22.015 --> 01:26:24.775
just did yeah he hit the market and

01:26:24.796 --> 01:26:27.695
within a week that movie was dropping so

01:26:27.716 --> 01:26:30.237
there's no way you could have made that

01:26:30.277 --> 01:26:32.476
movie in a week unless you know you're

01:26:32.497 --> 01:26:34.837
working on it you're working on it before

01:26:34.877 --> 01:26:36.978
again yeah everybody be quiet be quiet if

01:26:37.018 --> 01:26:38.398
we play this just right it'll come out

01:26:38.597 --> 01:26:40.319
right before so nobody else can touch us

01:26:40.878 --> 01:26:43.498
yeah no no i understand though but but

01:26:43.538 --> 01:26:45.439
consider this in the conversation ai man

01:26:45.479 --> 01:26:46.500
like people die

01:26:47.346 --> 01:26:49.009
then what happens to it your family

01:26:49.029 --> 01:26:51.310
inheritance it let's be honest my kids

01:26:51.331 --> 01:26:52.572
aren't going to want all my comic they're

01:26:54.634 --> 01:26:55.814
going to want to sell that they're going

01:26:55.835 --> 01:26:56.935
to want to sell that those ips like

01:26:56.956 --> 01:26:58.837
that maybe not my son because in his

01:26:58.917 --> 01:27:00.698
own right for a thirteen-year-old amazing

01:27:00.798 --> 01:27:02.980
artist taught himself to animate and color

01:27:03.100 --> 01:27:05.342
and work in art programs super excited for

01:27:05.403 --> 01:27:07.404
his future uh but my daughter's not gonna

01:27:07.425 --> 01:27:09.386
want all my comic she's gonna sell she's

01:27:09.407 --> 01:27:10.667
gonna sell it and keep some of it

01:27:10.688 --> 01:27:11.569
that she might have had a part of

01:27:12.556 --> 01:27:12.777
Yeah,

01:27:12.797 --> 01:27:14.581
Steamboat Willie was one of the first ones

01:27:14.600 --> 01:27:15.221
that come out.

01:27:15.943 --> 01:27:18.688
It went from Winnie the Pooh to Steamboat

01:27:18.728 --> 01:27:20.492
Willie, Popeye.

01:27:22.094 --> 01:27:22.775
I'm being honest, though.

01:27:22.796 --> 01:27:24.057
The Steamboat Willie one wasn't that

01:27:24.078 --> 01:27:24.338
great.

01:27:25.685 --> 01:27:26.766
I haven't seen none of them.

01:27:27.127 --> 01:27:29.569
I just I don't have the time for

01:27:29.649 --> 01:27:29.770
it.

01:27:31.332 --> 01:27:33.994
It wasn't like my time is spent,

01:27:34.015 --> 01:27:34.595
you know,

01:27:35.036 --> 01:27:38.340
writing and researching and getting ready

01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:41.203
for the next person who comes on after

01:27:41.243 --> 01:27:42.463
you, you know.

01:27:43.064 --> 01:27:45.106
So let's talk about that.

01:27:45.146 --> 01:27:46.228
What happens next?

01:27:48.034 --> 01:27:50.136
So like I said, Wild Only Two,

01:27:50.396 --> 01:27:51.137
the issue for it,

01:27:51.177 --> 01:27:52.179
the script is almost done.

01:27:53.038 --> 01:27:54.220
I hope to put that in the bake

01:27:55.440 --> 01:27:56.542
before the end of the year.

01:27:56.582 --> 01:27:58.203
I hope to get that at least finished,

01:27:58.283 --> 01:27:59.264
not maybe fulfilled,

01:28:00.083 --> 01:28:01.845
given the track record Wild Only has.

01:28:01.865 --> 01:28:03.407
I got a lot of trust earned back

01:28:03.426 --> 01:28:04.528
from the people that are already back.

01:28:06.189 --> 01:28:11.032
But I've been staying busy with work here

01:28:11.051 --> 01:28:13.514
and there on specific projects.

01:28:13.875 --> 01:28:15.496
What's coming up immediately next is,

01:28:15.975 --> 01:28:19.698
is uh sweet pea issue three my buddy

01:28:19.719 --> 01:28:22.640
alem johnson uh it's a it's an amazing

01:28:22.720 --> 01:28:24.721
story about a young fourteen-year-old girl

01:28:25.323 --> 01:28:29.985
who inherits power after a weird after a

01:28:30.046 --> 01:28:33.387
weird energy takes over the planet and now

01:28:33.488 --> 01:28:35.350
the hue the human race has to deal

01:28:35.390 --> 01:28:37.511
with an omicron invasion that's these

01:28:37.591 --> 01:28:38.971
aliens that come down they're kind of

01:28:38.992 --> 01:28:41.713
draconian based uh this issue is called

01:28:41.774 --> 01:28:44.256
the wild wind or deadly winds uh

01:28:45.762 --> 01:28:47.283
This is the issue that's going to sell

01:28:47.304 --> 01:28:48.743
the other two and the rest of the

01:28:48.783 --> 01:28:49.204
series.

01:28:50.604 --> 01:28:51.826
It is Jeff's kiss, man.

01:28:52.945 --> 01:28:53.846
It's super wild.

01:28:54.766 --> 01:28:55.867
If you guys get a chance,

01:28:56.167 --> 01:28:57.347
click the notification on it.

01:28:57.387 --> 01:28:58.427
Get notified when you're ready.

01:28:58.787 --> 01:28:59.929
I'm the editor on this book.

01:29:00.668 --> 01:29:02.510
Me and Alim met during my time and

01:29:02.529 --> 01:29:03.970
tenure at Ink Studios.

01:29:04.091 --> 01:29:04.690
We hit it off.

01:29:05.011 --> 01:29:06.351
We've been great friends ever since.

01:29:06.551 --> 01:29:10.033
I'm super proud at the progress he's made

01:29:10.533 --> 01:29:10.953
with this.

01:29:10.993 --> 01:29:12.394
It's not been an easy journey for him.

01:29:13.331 --> 01:29:13.671
Uh, we,

01:29:13.711 --> 01:29:15.412
we all as creators go through personal

01:29:15.452 --> 01:29:18.393
stuff, me included with wild only, but we,

01:29:18.432 --> 01:29:18.934
we all,

01:29:19.054 --> 01:29:20.634
we all support each other and our

01:29:20.654 --> 01:29:21.635
endeavors regardless,

01:29:22.175 --> 01:29:23.416
even if you're part of the community,

01:29:23.435 --> 01:29:27.277
that's wildly, wildly, uh,

01:29:27.296 --> 01:29:29.417
disciplined about getting the product out

01:29:29.457 --> 01:29:31.838
and the stuff you can't stop the setbacks

01:29:31.878 --> 01:29:32.359
to happen.

01:29:33.020 --> 01:29:33.619
Uh, but,

01:29:33.640 --> 01:29:35.240
but sweet peas coming out real soon.

01:29:35.360 --> 01:29:36.721
I'm super excited about that.

01:29:37.402 --> 01:29:37.542
Um,

01:29:38.337 --> 01:29:40.337
Hopefully, if he wants to in the future,

01:29:40.377 --> 01:29:41.398
we can get a limb on and we

01:29:41.417 --> 01:29:42.438
can talk about it all together.

01:29:43.698 --> 01:29:47.479
No, I was going to say, dude,

01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:49.539
that looks like a very fun project.

01:29:49.579 --> 01:29:51.680
And I will include that link in the

01:29:51.720 --> 01:29:53.740
description of this video when it goes

01:29:53.780 --> 01:29:54.041
live,

01:29:54.121 --> 01:29:56.662
both on YouTube again and on all the

01:29:56.702 --> 01:29:59.063
podcasts and platforms that we do through

01:29:59.643 --> 01:30:00.462
Transistor.

01:30:02.779 --> 01:30:04.301
along with any other link that you would

01:30:04.320 --> 01:30:04.981
like to share.

01:30:05.301 --> 01:30:06.662
Just shoot them over to me and they'll

01:30:06.682 --> 01:30:07.404
be included.

01:30:08.184 --> 01:30:09.645
Dude, that one was a lot of fun.

01:30:11.207 --> 01:30:13.689
And this is what I love about indie

01:30:13.729 --> 01:30:14.810
comics is...

01:30:15.819 --> 01:30:17.000
You can do anything.

01:30:17.739 --> 01:30:19.701
There's no restriction.

01:30:20.462 --> 01:30:23.122
You don't have Marvel or DC with their

01:30:23.182 --> 01:30:24.804
thumb on you telling you to tell this

01:30:24.823 --> 01:30:25.324
story.

01:30:25.925 --> 01:30:27.865
You're telling a story that you want to

01:30:27.905 --> 01:30:30.328
tell the way you want to tell it.

01:30:30.988 --> 01:30:33.548
And that is what is so great about

01:30:33.628 --> 01:30:33.750
it.

01:30:34.489 --> 01:30:36.350
And if you come across a Kickstarter or

01:30:36.530 --> 01:30:38.972
indie comic that isn't your flavor, cool.

01:30:39.813 --> 01:30:42.216
i guarantee you five more minutes later

01:30:42.277 --> 01:30:43.597
you're going to find one that is up

01:30:43.618 --> 01:30:45.381
your alley and you're going to want to

01:30:45.421 --> 01:30:46.703
read that one and you're going to want

01:30:46.743 --> 01:30:49.867
to support that one and that's what i

01:30:50.046 --> 01:30:52.069
love it's like what draws me to

01:30:52.210 --> 01:30:55.314
independent comments is yeah is that

01:30:56.787 --> 01:30:57.546
There's been a few.

01:30:57.646 --> 01:30:59.427
Warbound by a company.

01:30:59.448 --> 01:31:00.887
I don't think they make any books anymore.

01:31:01.929 --> 01:31:02.908
I haven't heard from them in a long

01:31:02.969 --> 01:31:03.128
time,

01:31:03.149 --> 01:31:05.729
but Warbound was a series I was following.

01:31:06.449 --> 01:31:09.411
Cicada Samurai that came out last year was

01:31:09.451 --> 01:31:09.911
a good one.

01:31:11.532 --> 01:31:13.453
All the stuff that Travis Gibbs does with

01:31:13.493 --> 01:31:14.012
Cthulhu.

01:31:14.912 --> 01:31:16.854
oh yeah the the one in alice in

01:31:16.895 --> 01:31:18.435
wonderland i'm about to sit down forever

01:31:18.496 --> 01:31:22.198
after yeah by boom studios the the third

01:31:22.238 --> 01:31:23.501
of the trilogy i think this is the

01:31:23.541 --> 01:31:26.622
final of that trilogy and the first if

01:31:26.682 --> 01:31:29.626
it's anything like the first two it's

01:31:29.645 --> 01:31:31.606
going to be amazing because this is about

01:31:31.728 --> 01:31:35.069
alice's daughter and them trying to push

01:31:35.170 --> 01:31:38.974
alice's daughter to restart the cycle into

01:31:39.033 --> 01:31:39.394
the uh okay

01:31:43.108 --> 01:31:44.648
Is there a Cthulhu book by boom?

01:31:45.969 --> 01:31:46.668
Yeah, there is.

01:31:47.269 --> 01:31:47.488
Okay.

01:31:47.789 --> 01:31:49.569
So, so Travis Gibbs, uh, he's,

01:31:49.649 --> 01:31:51.591
he runs the orange cone and he's got

01:31:51.631 --> 01:31:54.532
a separate series on Cthulhu invades.

01:31:54.551 --> 01:31:56.712
Um, this last, this last one,

01:31:56.993 --> 01:31:58.654
I think he did a Alice in Wonderland.

01:31:58.673 --> 01:31:59.493
That one was really good.

01:31:59.514 --> 01:32:01.335
It's either boom or dark horses doing this

01:32:01.454 --> 01:32:02.555
Cthulhu series ended.

01:32:02.576 --> 01:32:02.695
Okay.

01:32:03.456 --> 01:32:04.737
Cause there's a one called, uh,

01:32:04.756 --> 01:32:06.777
the death of HP Lovecraft, I think.

01:32:07.537 --> 01:32:07.618
Hmm.

01:32:09.007 --> 01:32:10.828
And it's been like top notch.

01:32:10.847 --> 01:32:12.408
I just can't remember if it was Boom

01:32:12.529 --> 01:32:13.849
or Dark Horse doing it.

01:32:14.469 --> 01:32:15.868
I just know that it's been just like

01:32:15.989 --> 01:32:17.069
a top notch read.

01:32:18.069 --> 01:32:19.050
And he seems really cool.

01:32:19.310 --> 01:32:20.890
I'm hoping one day I get to that

01:32:20.930 --> 01:32:21.871
professional level.

01:32:21.970 --> 01:32:23.530
I've met some people at publishers,

01:32:24.331 --> 01:32:26.492
but not enough to get into a conversation

01:32:26.572 --> 01:32:27.712
or a room to be like, hey,

01:32:27.752 --> 01:32:28.712
my name is such and such.

01:32:29.652 --> 01:32:30.792
These are my credits.

01:32:30.853 --> 01:32:31.712
This is what I do.

01:32:31.813 --> 01:32:34.814
I'd love to provide that to any of

01:32:34.854 --> 01:32:36.694
your properties if I could on anything.

01:32:37.423 --> 01:32:38.024
At this point,

01:32:38.144 --> 01:32:40.125
I would love for anybody to give me

01:32:40.145 --> 01:32:42.345
a shot at a major publishing with no

01:32:42.386 --> 01:32:43.766
money down, no money at all, actually,

01:32:43.787 --> 01:32:44.466
on my first book.

01:32:44.988 --> 01:32:45.728
So if you're out there and you're

01:32:45.747 --> 01:32:47.028
listening, you need an editor or writer,

01:32:47.408 --> 01:32:48.788
I'll do it for free the first time

01:32:49.489 --> 01:32:50.630
just to get my name in the door.

01:32:52.350 --> 01:32:54.231
But it led to things like my buddy

01:32:54.252 --> 01:32:55.112
Daniel Garcia,

01:32:55.292 --> 01:32:56.412
and he hit me up one day.

01:32:56.432 --> 01:32:57.292
He's like, hey, Mike,

01:32:57.313 --> 01:32:58.253
I'm doing this crazy thing,

01:32:58.654 --> 01:32:59.634
and I want you to be a part

01:32:59.673 --> 01:32:59.873
of it.

01:33:00.173 --> 01:33:01.114
I'm not really sure how to do it,

01:33:01.135 --> 01:33:01.694
but I built it up.

01:33:01.715 --> 01:33:02.815
It's called Shark Force.

01:33:04.157 --> 01:33:05.257
He doesn't know I'm talking about it,

01:33:05.278 --> 01:33:06.297
but I'm going to throw it out there

01:33:06.377 --> 01:33:08.319
because I know he appreciates when I do

01:33:08.340 --> 01:33:08.940
stuff for him.

01:33:10.002 --> 01:33:14.305
But it's a really cool take on kick-ass

01:33:14.966 --> 01:33:17.608
shark people just kicking ass and taking

01:33:17.648 --> 01:33:18.208
names, man.

01:33:18.269 --> 01:33:20.770
It's kind of like mutagenic storylines.

01:33:21.091 --> 01:33:23.273
It's in the ire of nineties action

01:33:23.313 --> 01:33:24.012
cartoons.

01:33:24.493 --> 01:33:26.354
Really fun, really light.

01:33:27.095 --> 01:33:27.315
It's

01:33:28.877 --> 01:33:31.140
It's got some kid tones, probably PG-XIV.

01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:32.481
Nothing over the top.

01:33:32.842 --> 01:33:35.426
It does exist in like a superhero kind

01:33:35.445 --> 01:33:36.046
of universe.

01:33:36.067 --> 01:33:37.307
There's a few characters in there.

01:33:37.328 --> 01:33:40.070
It's set in a place called Meteor City.

01:33:40.712 --> 01:33:42.594
And man, the characters on there,

01:33:42.634 --> 01:33:43.536
essentially the artwork,

01:33:43.796 --> 01:33:44.917
if you want to pop it up later

01:33:44.936 --> 01:33:45.398
in the edit,

01:33:46.333 --> 01:33:47.255
It's really cool.

01:33:47.996 --> 01:33:49.898
It really inspired me because I was a

01:33:49.957 --> 01:33:54.402
big fan of what was that shark cartoon

01:33:54.421 --> 01:33:55.103
back in the day?

01:33:56.463 --> 01:33:57.043
Street Sharks.

01:33:57.685 --> 01:33:58.586
Street Sharks.

01:33:59.266 --> 01:34:00.046
Super cool.

01:34:00.828 --> 01:34:02.510
So it's about a couple of scientists go

01:34:02.550 --> 01:34:03.250
up into space.

01:34:03.289 --> 01:34:04.391
They get hit with this array.

01:34:04.992 --> 01:34:07.212
And they were studying sharks in space for

01:34:07.273 --> 01:34:07.833
some reason.

01:34:07.974 --> 01:34:09.935
And the DNA collides.

01:34:09.954 --> 01:34:11.636
They got this kind of Fantastic Four

01:34:11.796 --> 01:34:12.536
origin story.

01:34:12.876 --> 01:34:14.216
They crash back down to Earth.

01:34:14.296 --> 01:34:15.978
And Hammerhead comes out.

01:34:16.037 --> 01:34:16.938
And a big, big,

01:34:17.137 --> 01:34:18.658
big walking tiger shark comes out.

01:34:19.539 --> 01:34:21.041
And they're like, oh.

01:34:21.320 --> 01:34:22.701
And they get picked up by this secret

01:34:22.740 --> 01:34:24.721
organization that hires them to kind of

01:34:24.742 --> 01:34:24.863
fight.

01:34:24.882 --> 01:34:25.863
Which one did you say it was?

01:34:26.603 --> 01:34:27.184
Shark Force.

01:34:27.203 --> 01:34:28.965
Ah, there it is.

01:34:29.064 --> 01:34:29.385
Yeah.

01:34:30.782 --> 01:34:31.783
Really cool story, man.

01:34:32.863 --> 01:34:35.786
This one is in production right now.

01:34:35.845 --> 01:34:36.726
I think we're on like.

01:34:37.908 --> 01:34:39.529
Twelve or thirteen pages.

01:34:39.750 --> 01:34:40.990
I got to do some stuff for him.

01:34:41.150 --> 01:34:42.572
But as soon as we get it done,

01:34:42.891 --> 01:34:43.813
we're going to we're going to run the

01:34:43.853 --> 01:34:44.673
crowdfunding on it.

01:34:45.814 --> 01:34:47.435
He's he's he's going all in on this

01:34:47.496 --> 01:34:48.056
title, man.

01:34:48.337 --> 01:34:51.100
He's also the creator of Zyberon and did

01:34:51.140 --> 01:34:55.582
Fast Girls Atomic Vamp last year.

01:34:55.622 --> 01:34:56.984
So he's put out some really good stuff.

01:34:57.904 --> 01:34:58.426
Really good stuff.

01:35:01.613 --> 01:35:02.493
with the logo on it.

01:35:02.514 --> 01:35:07.077
Yeah, Shark Force, man.

01:35:07.117 --> 01:35:08.597
Yeah, it sent me a lot of stuff,

01:35:08.658 --> 01:35:09.738
and I was just like...

01:35:10.179 --> 01:35:11.699
I tried to label the files.

01:35:12.079 --> 01:35:12.400
You know,

01:35:12.421 --> 01:35:14.082
you did a really good job of labeling

01:35:14.141 --> 01:35:14.242
it.

01:35:14.261 --> 01:35:17.623
It's just my computer didn't want to help

01:35:17.663 --> 01:35:19.826
me extract files, so I was just like,

01:35:19.845 --> 01:35:20.845
come on, work with me.

01:35:21.707 --> 01:35:23.068
I used to use WeTransfer,

01:35:23.108 --> 01:35:25.529
but I hear on the wire they've changed

01:35:25.548 --> 01:35:26.310
their policy.

01:35:27.171 --> 01:35:28.570
So yeah, man,

01:35:28.610 --> 01:35:30.372
that's been blasted all over Facebook.

01:35:31.922 --> 01:35:33.064
This is really dope.

01:35:33.083 --> 01:35:33.505
I like it.

01:35:33.564 --> 01:35:35.246
I love concepts like this, dude.

01:35:36.306 --> 01:35:36.987
It's really fun, man.

01:35:37.006 --> 01:35:38.648
We're just a bunch of dudes just loving

01:35:38.688 --> 01:35:39.309
cartoons,

01:35:39.349 --> 01:35:41.409
wanting to create something of the same

01:35:41.470 --> 01:35:41.911
genre.

01:35:41.990 --> 01:35:44.472
This is one of those where you'd be

01:35:44.493 --> 01:35:46.234
sitting down Saturday morning to watch

01:35:46.253 --> 01:35:47.795
cartoons and eat some Cocoa Puffs.

01:35:47.895 --> 01:35:49.596
I'm so glad you said that, man.

01:35:49.617 --> 01:35:50.497
He's going to be so excited.

01:35:50.516 --> 01:35:52.078
That's exactly how he wants it to hit

01:35:52.097 --> 01:35:54.819
when it comes out.

01:35:54.859 --> 01:35:56.782
He definitely nailed that one.

01:35:58.173 --> 01:35:59.295
Yeah,

01:35:59.314 --> 01:36:00.456
you're getting me out the blue with that

01:36:00.536 --> 01:36:00.956
idea.

01:36:01.256 --> 01:36:07.201
It's Indie Comics, man.

01:36:07.261 --> 01:36:08.002
Indie Comics for sure.

01:36:08.021 --> 01:36:14.967
Did you freeze?

01:36:14.988 --> 01:36:23.975
I think he froze.

01:36:24.015 --> 01:36:25.577
Anybody out there who's listening or

01:36:25.617 --> 01:36:26.978
watching live, you got any questions?

01:36:28.541 --> 01:36:29.625
I'm all about the questions.

01:36:29.706 --> 01:36:30.970
We got questions asked now.

01:36:32.396 --> 01:36:34.144
We'll wait for Mr. Chairman to come back.

01:37:03.809 --> 01:37:07.311
Stay tuned as USDN works out its technical

01:37:07.332 --> 01:37:07.912
difficulties.

01:37:07.992 --> 01:37:08.332
Until then,

01:37:08.372 --> 01:37:10.434
you get to stare at my somewhat

01:37:10.514 --> 01:37:13.457
attractive, yet not so attractive mug.

01:37:13.476 --> 01:37:15.798
It's actually good for comics,

01:37:15.859 --> 01:37:17.800
just maybe not for television.

01:37:17.819 --> 01:37:19.341
So acting was out of the question.

01:37:21.943 --> 01:37:31.411
Anybody out there still listening?

01:37:31.490 --> 01:37:32.091
I'm sorry, Mr. Chair,

01:37:32.110 --> 01:37:32.851
and I'll be back shortly.

01:37:51.010 --> 01:37:51.911
Sorry about that.

01:37:52.091 --> 01:37:53.211
And there he is.

01:37:53.551 --> 01:37:53.952
Welcome back.

01:37:55.551 --> 01:37:56.632
If it's telling me anything,

01:37:56.653 --> 01:37:58.173
it's telling me that we need to be

01:37:58.194 --> 01:37:59.253
wrapping it up.

01:37:59.515 --> 01:37:59.954
Gotcha.

01:37:59.975 --> 01:38:02.716
So let's hit some rapid fire questions and

01:38:02.735 --> 01:38:04.096
we'll close it out real quick.

01:38:04.337 --> 01:38:04.537
Sure.

01:38:04.556 --> 01:38:05.618
Favorite superhero.

01:38:07.219 --> 01:38:07.639
Daredevil.

01:38:09.119 --> 01:38:09.760
Superpower.

01:38:16.444 --> 01:38:16.844
Flying.

01:38:18.125 --> 01:38:18.805
I like it.

01:38:20.438 --> 01:38:22.878
What is your writing soundtrack or do you

01:38:22.899 --> 01:38:23.960
just prefer the quiet?

01:38:26.621 --> 01:38:27.520
Writing soundtrack?

01:38:28.020 --> 01:38:29.242
Yeah.

01:38:30.181 --> 01:38:30.983
Cyber lo-fi.

01:38:32.403 --> 01:38:32.882
Good one.

01:38:33.583 --> 01:38:37.185
I've been known to dip my toes into

01:38:37.204 --> 01:38:39.506
that one as well when I'm writing.

01:38:39.565 --> 01:38:41.426
Coffee or late night snacks?

01:38:44.568 --> 01:38:45.849
I know for me, I'm a coffee guy.

01:38:47.095 --> 01:38:50.438
as you've seen when we were definitely a

01:38:50.478 --> 01:38:55.840
coffee guy one word to describe indie

01:38:55.880 --> 01:39:01.063
comics right now inevitable god damn

01:39:01.103 --> 01:39:03.283
that's a good answer holy shit that's a

01:39:03.404 --> 01:39:07.685
good one I love that one alright Michael

01:39:07.765 --> 01:39:10.927
where can people find you and your work

01:39:12.028 --> 01:39:15.510
you can find me really mainly on Facebook

01:39:16.641 --> 01:39:17.207
on Facebook.

01:39:17.751 --> 01:39:19.032
I haven't really gotten too heavy into the

01:39:19.051 --> 01:39:19.912
Instagram posts.

01:39:20.533 --> 01:39:22.113
I'm testing the waters on TikTok.

01:39:22.134 --> 01:39:23.614
You are a hard man to keep in

01:39:23.635 --> 01:39:25.475
touch with.

01:39:25.496 --> 01:39:26.837
I got so much to do, man.

01:39:26.896 --> 01:39:29.537
It's really hard to put social media down.

01:39:30.238 --> 01:39:30.819
Facebook,

01:39:31.198 --> 01:39:32.619
you can go check out any of my

01:39:32.680 --> 01:39:36.521
later podcasts for comics and Pop-Tarts on

01:39:37.122 --> 01:39:39.583
any one of the major listening streams.

01:39:39.663 --> 01:39:40.244
Amazon,

01:39:41.685 --> 01:39:42.966
all the other ones that I forgot since

01:39:42.985 --> 01:39:44.306
it's been so long since I've done any

01:39:44.327 --> 01:39:44.606
of that.

01:39:44.707 --> 01:39:45.528
I'm still out there.

01:39:45.648 --> 01:39:47.069
I've still got my hyperlinks in there.

01:39:47.548 --> 01:39:49.591
So my Facebook, my Instagram.

01:39:50.171 --> 01:39:51.733
Hopefully we'll have a sub stack soon

01:39:51.752 --> 01:39:53.274
where I put out shorter stories,

01:39:53.335 --> 01:39:54.115
visual stories,

01:39:54.895 --> 01:39:56.618
even some like Webtoon comic stuff.

01:39:57.399 --> 01:39:59.079
Working on that for twenty twenty six.

01:39:59.520 --> 01:40:00.721
Hopefully this will be a good year.

01:40:01.323 --> 01:40:02.644
But yeah, come check me out on Facebook.

01:40:05.150 --> 01:40:05.731
Perfect, dude.

01:40:06.252 --> 01:40:06.591
Mike,

01:40:07.092 --> 01:40:08.974
I want to thank you for coming on

01:40:08.993 --> 01:40:10.255
tonight and dealing with me and my

01:40:10.314 --> 01:40:11.456
internet issues.

01:40:14.278 --> 01:40:14.837
That's all right, man.

01:40:14.858 --> 01:40:14.957
Again,

01:40:15.018 --> 01:40:16.639
I'm going to have some editing to do,

01:40:16.679 --> 01:40:19.881
but that's what we sign up for.

01:40:19.902 --> 01:40:21.943
The USDM will be live again tomorrow

01:40:21.983 --> 01:40:25.206
morning with Bruno Caterino at ten a.m.

01:40:25.586 --> 01:40:27.988
Eastern Standard Time, which is three p.m.

01:40:28.608 --> 01:40:30.689
UK time to talk about his new Kickstarter

01:40:30.729 --> 01:40:31.270
flame vote,

01:40:31.289 --> 01:40:32.091
which is live

01:40:32.970 --> 01:40:33.331
Now,

01:40:33.931 --> 01:40:36.052
I just dropped the links to that out

01:40:36.113 --> 01:40:36.893
on social media.

01:40:36.912 --> 01:40:37.793
If you want to go have a look

01:40:37.833 --> 01:40:39.014
at that one and check out that

01:40:39.054 --> 01:40:39.715
Kickstarter.

01:40:40.454 --> 01:40:40.996
And with that,

01:40:41.195 --> 01:40:43.037
it brings us to the end of tonight's

01:40:43.337 --> 01:40:43.676
conversation.

01:40:46.237 --> 01:40:48.018
joining us and sharing his journey through

01:40:48.037 --> 01:40:49.659
writing, editing, crowdfunding,

01:40:50.300 --> 01:40:51.541
building meaningful stories,

01:40:51.740 --> 01:40:52.721
and indie comics.

01:40:52.761 --> 01:40:53.943
Make sure you follow his work,

01:40:53.962 --> 01:40:55.545
support creator-owned projects,

01:40:56.125 --> 01:40:58.046
and keep an eye out for what he's

01:40:58.087 --> 01:40:58.966
bringing next.

01:40:59.027 --> 01:40:59.608
As we've seen,

01:40:59.648 --> 01:41:02.750
Sweet Pea is looking to be a phenomenal

01:41:03.171 --> 01:41:03.511
book.

01:41:04.051 --> 01:41:05.192
If you enjoyed this episode,

01:41:05.231 --> 01:41:06.934
don't forget to like, share,

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01:41:08.215 --> 01:41:10.275
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01:41:10.796 --> 01:41:13.338
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01:41:13.378 --> 01:41:15.961
keeping this industry moving forward.

01:41:16.121 --> 01:41:19.309
forward until next time this has been the

01:41:19.349 --> 01:41:21.373
chairman in the united states department

01:41:21.394 --> 01:41:24.863
of nerds where indie comics come to life