WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en-GB 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:13.210 Travis Bader: I want to start this episode off by congratulating Justin Garant. 00:00:13.289 --> 00:00:17.699 He's the winner of the Benelli game bag and the hunter chef cookbook that was 00:00:17.699 --> 00:00:23.520 being given away in conjunction with podcast episode 136 with Michael Hunter. 00:00:24.080 --> 00:00:27.025 If you wanted to get your own Benelli game bag, You can head over to Stoger, 00:00:27.025 --> 00:00:31.605 Silvercore club members get 25 percent off all clothing, 10 percent off 00:00:31.605 --> 00:00:34.365 all accessories and free shipping. 00:00:34.925 --> 00:00:38.585 After wrapping up the combat flip flops episode with Griff, I went 00:00:38.585 --> 00:00:42.444 out and purchased a couple sets of flip flops and one of the shemags. 00:00:42.894 --> 00:00:45.955 And of course I applied the Silvercore club discount to that as well. 00:00:46.305 --> 00:00:49.765 For those curious about all the 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social media this morning, I saw a post that 00:01:27.684 --> 00:01:29.925 I was tagged in by Dana Dykema. 00:01:30.304 --> 00:01:33.705 She had tagged me and Silvercore in it, and she was talking about 00:01:33.705 --> 00:01:36.835 the underlying themes in the podcast that she really values. 00:01:37.184 --> 00:01:40.774 One of which in particular was that surrounding failure. 00:01:41.304 --> 00:01:46.004 The main themes that I try to get across over and over again in the podcast are 00:01:46.005 --> 00:01:51.984 that of community, that of positivity, of pushing ourselves to higher levels. 00:01:52.164 --> 00:01:55.744 Of creating an awareness of the potential that we are capable 00:01:55.744 --> 00:01:58.354 of and to not be afraid to fail. 00:01:58.434 --> 00:02:01.035 I don't know if it was Churchill who said this one, but it's 00:02:01.035 --> 00:02:02.265 often attributed to him. 00:02:02.835 --> 00:02:04.164 Success isn't final. 00:02:04.864 --> 00:02:06.454 Failure isn't fatal. 00:02:06.645 --> 00:02:09.105 It's the courage to continue that counts. 00:02:09.324 --> 00:02:13.675 If it's true that our lives are made up of our memories and 90 percent of what 00:02:13.675 --> 00:02:17.955 we think about today is something that we thought about yesterday, perhaps by 00:02:18.005 --> 00:02:23.255 exercising awareness, by interjecting some critical thought and exposing 00:02:23.255 --> 00:02:27.994 ourselves to positivity will allow our tomorrow to be that much better. 00:02:28.134 --> 00:02:30.565 Without further ado, let's get this podcast rolling. 00:02:30.755 --> 00:02:34.545 As you go through life, there's a few people that you will meet that 00:02:34.545 --> 00:02:38.954 will have a massive impact on you, both personally and professionally. 00:02:39.700 --> 00:02:41.450 Today's guest is one of those people. 00:02:41.450 --> 00:02:44.250 And if you're a regular listener to the Silvercore podcast, 00:02:44.760 --> 00:02:45.850 you're going to recognize him. 00:02:46.709 --> 00:02:50.239 And if you've paid attention, you'll see that he marked an inflection 00:02:50.239 --> 00:02:54.329 point in the podcast and really helped expand the direction where 00:02:54.329 --> 00:02:56.449 we go with it and what we do. 00:02:56.479 --> 00:03:01.180 So without further ado, I want to welcome back my friend, Sablevoix. 00:03:02.170 --> 00:03:02.990 Good morning, brother. 00:03:03.180 --> 00:03:05.560 Good morning, man. 00:03:05.600 --> 00:03:09.829 You've had some things happen to you, some cool life experiences, some. 00:03:10.480 --> 00:03:13.970 Some interesting life experiences since the last time we chatted. 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:20.360 And I really figured it's about time that we kind of caught up and, uh, maybe 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:22.989 distilled a few of these things that you've gone through, kind of got your 00:03:23.440 --> 00:03:25.279 perspective on a few different things. 00:03:25.770 --> 00:03:29.540 But maybe before I really get rolling, I want to ask you, how are you doing? 00:03:29.540 --> 00:03:31.849 Seb Lavoie: I couldn't be better brother. 00:03:32.559 --> 00:03:37.040 Uh, things are, uh, you Very good at the moment, as you know, I'm in the 00:03:37.089 --> 00:03:41.779 transitional phase of departing British Columbia and heading out to Alberta, 00:03:42.579 --> 00:03:49.429 a nice rural property, 14 acres, log cabin, green roof, rivers, mountains, 00:03:49.749 --> 00:03:56.209 you know, on the border of Montana, just an amazing, an amazing move that. 00:04:01.005 --> 00:04:06.754 You know, but, um, I think sometimes understanding what the end goal is 00:04:06.754 --> 00:04:10.674 or what it is that you truly desire and negotiating that with what 00:04:11.285 --> 00:04:13.334 task you have at hand is critical. 00:04:13.334 --> 00:04:17.915 So I already knew, you know, 10 years ago or 15 years ago, that's what the direction 00:04:17.915 --> 00:04:23.100 that I was wanting to take, but I hadn't, I hadn't cemented what that was going 00:04:23.100 --> 00:04:24.650 to look like in relation to my career. 00:04:24.650 --> 00:04:30.439 And so obviously retiring in, in 2021, open the door up for 00:04:30.450 --> 00:04:31.580 a variety of different things. 00:04:31.580 --> 00:04:33.800 And that is one of those things that's occurring right now. 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:36.130 And I am beyond stoked. 00:04:36.599 --> 00:04:36.970 You know, that's 00:04:36.970 --> 00:04:39.249 Travis Bader: something that a lot of people, they'll have visions, they'll have 00:04:39.249 --> 00:04:43.410 ideas, Hey, hopefully, hopefully they're saying, here's what I'd like to achieve. 00:04:43.410 --> 00:04:44.620 Here's where I'd like to be. 00:04:45.200 --> 00:04:50.400 But for a lot of people, they just sit in their head as dreams and the path towards 00:04:50.400 --> 00:04:55.650 that dream, if they haven't traveled before, it seems almost impossible. 00:04:55.700 --> 00:04:58.780 They have a very difficult time seeing the next step or seeing 00:04:58.830 --> 00:05:02.189 their way through to the end and to actually achieving that dream. 00:05:02.915 --> 00:05:07.545 Did you find, because I mean, this is all new uncharted territory to you. 00:05:07.955 --> 00:05:13.345 Did you find that there was difficulties in both mentally transitioning yourself, 00:05:14.155 --> 00:05:19.415 leaving your work and finding sort of a new path in life and, and now 00:05:19.415 --> 00:05:21.624 the big move out to another province. 00:05:21.624 --> 00:05:24.775 And I mean, you've got your network and everyone over here in British 00:05:24.775 --> 00:05:26.505 Columbia, did you find that there is. 00:05:26.830 --> 00:05:29.390 Obstacles and hurdles that you had to overcome in order to kind 00:05:29.390 --> 00:05:30.660 of mentally get yourself ready. 00:05:31.380 --> 00:05:34.240 Seb Lavoie: I mean, the obstacle, the obstacles are the way. 00:05:34.980 --> 00:05:35.210 Right. 00:05:35.940 --> 00:05:36.290 Yes. 00:05:36.380 --> 00:05:39.239 I mean, it is just, you know, I'm, I'm regurgitating here, but, but 00:05:39.239 --> 00:05:43.490 the, the bottom line is it is, it is the case and, and self doubt 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:45.780 consistently creeps into your own mind. 00:05:46.605 --> 00:05:50.525 As well as not necessarily knowing exactly the direction that you're 00:05:50.525 --> 00:05:54.295 supposed to go into, or if you're even going in the right directions, you know? 00:05:54.295 --> 00:05:57.325 And so I think at the end of the day, there's part of this 00:05:57.325 --> 00:05:59.534 that's, that's, that's faith. 00:05:59.855 --> 00:06:05.435 You know, it's faith, having faith that you're capable of, of, of adapting to 00:06:05.435 --> 00:06:09.365 changing circumstances, that you're capable of picking the slack up. 00:06:09.365 --> 00:06:13.914 Should anything go sideways that you have enough in you and around you to 00:06:13.914 --> 00:06:16.345 make something happen out of nothing. 00:06:16.865 --> 00:06:21.300 All of those things are, are, are, you know, Incredibly important 00:06:21.300 --> 00:06:25.260 and to a certain extent anchors in making these difficult decisions. 00:06:25.770 --> 00:06:29.370 And so you can't just be coming out of nowhere, set yourself a very, 00:06:29.370 --> 00:06:34.620 very difficult goal and have never negotiated difficulties along the 00:06:34.620 --> 00:06:39.199 way to achieve a desired outcome that not many people achieve. 00:06:39.280 --> 00:06:41.780 And so you need to have that knowledge about you. 00:06:41.810 --> 00:06:45.570 And that's where, of course, you know, engaging in a difficult things and 00:06:45.570 --> 00:06:48.469 the things that are truly challenging you, the things that are scaring you. 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:54.000 Is incredibly valuable because it also teaches you what you can and can't 00:06:54.020 --> 00:06:58.120 do, or what you can and cannot yet do. 00:06:58.140 --> 00:07:01.119 There, I like that, I like that. 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:02.710 Travis Bader: No such thing as a word I can't. 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:03.610 No, there isn't. 00:07:04.665 --> 00:07:09.265 So, you know, people look at their job and they'll say, well, I'd love to do 00:07:09.265 --> 00:07:13.055 something different, but I can't leave because I'm the breadwinner or I've got a 00:07:13.055 --> 00:07:15.224 mortgage or I've got whatever it might be. 00:07:15.224 --> 00:07:16.735 So, so I'm stuck, right? 00:07:17.364 --> 00:07:22.244 Uh, or I'd love to, to move to a different place that offers a greater 00:07:22.244 --> 00:07:23.985 variety of what it is I'm looking for. 00:07:24.045 --> 00:07:25.835 Like for me, space, right? 00:07:26.215 --> 00:07:29.655 Greater space between myself and my neighbors, greater access to the 00:07:29.655 --> 00:07:32.735 outdoors, where I don't have to sit in traffic for hours to get there. 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:37.330 And people will come up with all this little checklist of, well, you know, 00:07:37.539 --> 00:07:43.340 once the kids are out of school and maybe once ABCD happens, did you have a list 00:07:43.340 --> 00:07:46.969 of these things that kind of popped into your mind that you had to systematically 00:07:46.969 --> 00:07:48.520 go through and kind of check off? 00:07:50.110 --> 00:07:53.210 Seb Lavoie: That is the propensity and it's my propensity as well as it 00:07:53.210 --> 00:07:55.040 is the propensity of the next person. 00:07:55.580 --> 00:08:00.630 The difference is I, I, I try to, at all costs, 00:08:02.930 --> 00:08:05.640 Disabled the disabler, if that makes any sense, because I will 00:08:05.640 --> 00:08:07.520 become, I will become the disabler. 00:08:07.969 --> 00:08:13.359 And as soon as I start focusing on something that creates an apprehension, 00:08:13.580 --> 00:08:17.140 you know, the body survival mechanisms kick kicks into full gear. 00:08:17.469 --> 00:08:21.740 And, and all of a sudden you're magnifying the risk that's associated with the, 00:08:21.740 --> 00:08:23.280 whatever it is that you are after. 00:08:24.190 --> 00:08:28.210 But, you know, for me, I was very aware of that. 00:08:28.210 --> 00:08:33.240 I was very aware that I was, that I was going to try to talk myself out 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:36.779 of it in a sort of surreptitious, maybe even subconscious way. 00:08:37.110 --> 00:08:42.119 And I, and knowing that as soon as it percolates in my mind, I'm 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:46.640 able to address it on the spot, essentially a reframing, right? 00:08:47.250 --> 00:08:47.670 Yes. 00:08:47.680 --> 00:08:48.790 There is no perfect way. 00:08:48.790 --> 00:08:49.230 Yes. 00:08:49.260 --> 00:08:49.620 Yes. 00:08:49.650 --> 00:08:51.140 I may have to do this. 00:08:51.319 --> 00:08:54.339 And so my, the question that I ask myself every time that something like this, 00:08:54.800 --> 00:09:00.590 Sort of creeping to my mind is what do I need to do to get to where I want to go? 00:09:00.990 --> 00:09:05.720 What in a, in an ideal world, if I removed all fears, and if I removed 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:11.020 all apprehension with respect to where I was, where I want to go, what would 00:09:11.020 --> 00:09:14.280 I need to do and how would I need to address it to make that happen? 00:09:14.310 --> 00:09:18.469 And you will, you will very often cognitively spew out the truth. 00:09:18.880 --> 00:09:20.230 The answers, right? 00:09:20.260 --> 00:09:23.720 Cause you, you, what you are doing is you, you are now, you have a knowledge 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:28.029 and emotion, you have set it aside and now you're, you're, you're brought the 00:09:28.030 --> 00:09:32.340 focus back to your cognitive mind and you start engaging your logical brain 00:09:32.340 --> 00:09:34.309 instead of the fear center of the brain. 00:09:34.609 --> 00:09:39.245 And so for me, Knowing that that's the case is the key. 00:09:39.255 --> 00:09:42.755 It's the self awareness that leads, leads to that self regulation. 00:09:42.785 --> 00:09:46.184 It's not that it isn't happening is that when it's happening, you 00:09:46.185 --> 00:09:48.124 recognize it and you move away from it. 00:09:48.145 --> 00:09:53.085 You take that step out, so to speak, you know, and look at the broader picture. 00:09:53.315 --> 00:09:55.054 And so there's plenty of time. 00:09:55.054 --> 00:09:58.345 And even without boring you with the details. 00:09:59.109 --> 00:10:03.510 Even if in our fight to, to get there, to sell our home, do all this, 00:10:03.520 --> 00:10:07.589 it's been a four months of ordeal and we've had multiple lenders fall 00:10:07.589 --> 00:10:11.990 through and we had multiple things happening and it just was, there was 00:10:11.990 --> 00:10:14.459 at least a hundred different times. 00:10:14.635 --> 00:10:19.795 Where everything in me said, quit, stop, just wait another 00:10:19.795 --> 00:10:21.545 year or wait another two. 00:10:21.865 --> 00:10:26.215 But then I would reframe that too and say another year, another two 00:10:26.484 --> 00:10:28.135 time is your biggest currency. 00:10:28.194 --> 00:10:30.154 You don't know that you have that. 00:10:30.694 --> 00:10:33.395 You don't know that you have that time at all. 00:10:33.675 --> 00:10:37.365 And so if you are to do anything and you keep on pushing it for, you know, 00:10:37.365 --> 00:10:40.675 for later and later and later, how many people have filled a graveyard? 00:10:41.954 --> 00:10:44.635 With all kinds of later project unfinished. 00:10:46.635 --> 00:10:49.245 Travis Bader: Do you ever have, and what I'm going to get you to 00:10:49.255 --> 00:10:52.214 do, just, uh, is there a piece of green tape in front of you there? 00:10:52.505 --> 00:10:52.775 Yep. 00:10:52.894 --> 00:10:53.244 Okay. 00:10:53.285 --> 00:10:55.435 I may be, I have it in the wrong spot or my camera moved. 00:10:55.464 --> 00:10:57.675 If you can move a little bit to you, there you go. 00:10:58.144 --> 00:10:59.214 And I'll, I'll edit that out. 00:11:10.835 --> 00:11:14.504 Do you ever have the thinking in your head? 00:11:14.554 --> 00:11:17.855 I mean, people will push for something and I can make something happen and I can 00:11:17.855 --> 00:11:20.095 push against all odds to make it happen. 00:11:21.050 --> 00:11:23.960 And sometimes it winds at my back and it just goes. 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:30.140 Am I pushing against the universe and out of sync with things and 00:11:30.140 --> 00:11:32.600 pushing for something that I'm eventually going to look back and 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:34.290 say, like, why did I do it like this? 00:11:34.819 --> 00:11:36.040 Do you have these thoughts? 00:11:36.240 --> 00:11:41.530 Like the difficult part with the mentality of all of the motivational and the self 00:11:41.530 --> 00:11:47.225 help and you can do it and keep on pushing is like, People being able to recognize 00:11:47.425 --> 00:11:50.415 when they're pushing towards something that's desirable, that's going to lead 00:11:50.415 --> 00:11:53.855 them in the right direction, or maybe the universe is saying, hold on, slow down. 00:11:53.885 --> 00:11:56.555 Maybe there's, maybe there's a different place we should be going. 00:11:56.865 --> 00:11:58.825 Do you, do you have those sort of thoughts? 00:11:59.515 --> 00:12:01.044 Seb Lavoie: Yeah, I absolutely do. 00:12:01.045 --> 00:12:02.155 And, and if I. 00:12:02.870 --> 00:12:04.210 Was to use a case study. 00:12:04.210 --> 00:12:07.020 Let's talk about Sean Taylor and I's book. 00:12:07.110 --> 00:12:10.560 When we first came out to, to, you know, to want to work on 00:12:10.560 --> 00:12:11.770 that, on that book project. 00:12:12.170 --> 00:12:17.159 And along the way, what we have found is that every little step we took was 10 00:12:17.159 --> 00:12:18.530 times harder than it should have been. 00:12:18.920 --> 00:12:24.150 Everything that we had in place somehow would There would be something that 00:12:24.150 --> 00:12:26.770 would generate a different outcome. 00:12:26.770 --> 00:12:30.300 And the person was either out or, or we didn't have the help 00:12:30.300 --> 00:12:34.000 that we needed or the person felt ill or whatever the case may be. 00:12:34.340 --> 00:12:38.090 And so it, it, it quickly became very apparent. 00:12:39.140 --> 00:12:42.210 And so it's important to look at the totality of the circumstances, 00:12:42.219 --> 00:12:44.830 not just what's happening, but what was happening with us. 00:12:45.070 --> 00:12:48.530 You know, and so I reassess what I do when this happens is I generally 00:12:48.530 --> 00:12:50.610 reassess our current situation. 00:12:50.660 --> 00:12:54.219 Are we in the best possible scenario or are we in the best 00:12:54.219 --> 00:12:59.860 possible state to operationalize our, our, our idea at the moment? 00:12:59.940 --> 00:13:03.749 And so, yes, we have all these external factors that are not going our way. 00:13:04.755 --> 00:13:10.325 But are there internal factors that are not optimized because this is where the 00:13:10.325 --> 00:13:15.585 difference is, if I'm fully optimized, I will push until I'm being told that 00:13:15.645 --> 00:13:17.274 it isn't going to happen or it quits. 00:13:17.335 --> 00:13:17.705 Travis Bader: Right. 00:13:17.765 --> 00:13:18.065 Seb Lavoie: Right. 00:13:18.105 --> 00:13:19.395 And that's, and that's okay. 00:13:19.435 --> 00:13:20.504 There's nothing wrong with that. 00:13:21.224 --> 00:13:25.645 But ideally, I will manage the interconnection between. 00:13:26.235 --> 00:13:31.975 The outcome and the goal and the external factors and, and whether or 00:13:31.975 --> 00:13:34.095 not I'm optimized to reach said goal. 00:13:34.155 --> 00:13:36.275 And that's precisely what happens. 00:13:36.275 --> 00:13:41.455 So that, that, that pushing an endless push and never quitting 00:13:41.685 --> 00:13:43.665 isn't always the best option. 00:13:44.104 --> 00:13:47.415 If you're not optimized as the individual or as the person. 00:13:47.570 --> 00:13:52.400 That's wanting to do certain thing you may have to reassess that 00:13:52.420 --> 00:13:55.350 and say, I can work on our sense exactly what we did with the book. 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:59.840 For example, Sean and I realized that despite the fact that we had a lot of 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:01.490 good stuff, we weren't quite ready. 00:14:01.969 --> 00:14:03.950 We weren't quite ready for the book. 00:14:04.235 --> 00:14:09.985 To be as impactful as we wanted it to be for, we weren't elevated at 00:14:09.985 --> 00:14:14.465 a certain, at a certain level of proficiency, if even in our communication 00:14:14.465 --> 00:14:20.915 styles or even in formulating our ideas or concepts that would, that 00:14:20.915 --> 00:14:22.965 would make a meaningful difference. 00:14:23.624 --> 00:14:26.945 So my end goal was to create a book that helps in a book 00:14:27.125 --> 00:14:29.095 that create meaningful change. 00:14:29.670 --> 00:14:32.740 But I, we, both of us weren't optimized in that realm. 00:14:32.910 --> 00:14:35.959 And so for me, that was enough. 00:14:36.150 --> 00:14:40.310 I have the, the external factors telling me slow down, you're not ready yet. 00:14:40.340 --> 00:14:44.900 And I have my own evaluation of our current status and situation that 00:14:44.900 --> 00:14:47.209 says, hold on, you're not ready yet. 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:51.670 Then that's the time to tactically reposition, take, take a tactical pause, 00:14:52.020 --> 00:14:53.380 you know, whatever you want to call it. 00:14:53.500 --> 00:14:54.420 Cause it's not quitting. 00:14:54.480 --> 00:14:58.930 No, because ultimately all we did was, you know, You know, two years has passed, 00:14:58.970 --> 00:15:03.880 we developed together and did all kinds of things to get all kinds of projects. 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:09.200 And two years later, the end goal that we had, you know, three years 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:12.960 ago is exactly the same, but our, our capacity and our ability to, 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:14.610 to make it happen is, you know, 00:15:17.410 --> 00:15:23.680 Travis Bader: I've always had a difficult time, uh, just that, I guess, quantifying 00:15:23.730 --> 00:15:27.860 actually analytically quantifying when it's time to take a different direction. 00:15:27.860 --> 00:15:32.419 Cause when I set my mind to something, I'd like to be able to analytically 00:15:32.419 --> 00:15:34.779 say, okay, A, B and C are going on. 00:15:34.780 --> 00:15:37.959 It would be better to do this over here, but, you Man, I don't want 00:15:37.959 --> 00:15:39.319 to be running away from something. 00:15:39.420 --> 00:15:42.400 And you know, when things get hard, that's when most people quit. 00:15:42.410 --> 00:15:45.010 And that's where I found success in the past by pushing forward. 00:15:45.390 --> 00:15:49.289 But I will get a gut feeling and I'll just get this deep down gut feeling and 00:15:49.319 --> 00:15:50.839 I'll sit there, maybe it's a guy thing. 00:15:50.839 --> 00:15:55.699 And you try and you try and analyze that gut feeling when you say it's not ready 00:15:55.700 --> 00:15:59.729 yet, or I'm not prepared to do A, B, C, D, or maybe I'm prepared to do it, 00:15:59.989 --> 00:16:04.459 but the collateral damage is going to happen to those people around me, isn't 00:16:04.469 --> 00:16:06.239 something I'm prepared to take on yet. 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:10.525 Um, Do you just, I just rely on my gut. 00:16:10.594 --> 00:16:14.064 Is that what you do or is there a better way to be able to sort of 00:16:14.064 --> 00:16:17.844 process that you kind of look at to help put words to that gut feeling? 00:16:18.724 --> 00:16:22.295 Seb Lavoie: Yeah, I do use my gut and I use my gut as a 00:16:22.305 --> 00:16:24.424 barometer, like something is up. 00:16:24.715 --> 00:16:28.725 I'm having, I'm encountering some resistance or, or I have internal 00:16:28.725 --> 00:16:32.035 resistance or there's external factors that are creating anxiety 00:16:32.185 --> 00:16:33.755 or there's things I need to explore. 00:16:34.035 --> 00:16:40.145 And I, so I use my gut primarily to line up the, the sort of the, the 00:16:40.194 --> 00:16:43.915 actions that I need to take to ascertain whether or not I'm ready for whatever 00:16:43.915 --> 00:16:46.685 it is that I'm asking to do or to be. 00:16:46.975 --> 00:16:50.405 And so, no, there isn't an exact science, but at the end of the day, 00:16:50.405 --> 00:16:52.595 it's all about consequences too. 00:16:53.530 --> 00:16:55.310 What are the consequences attached to this? 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:59.080 Is this, is this, you know, grievous bodily harm or death? 00:16:59.390 --> 00:17:02.010 Is this, you know, dismemberment? 00:17:02.600 --> 00:17:03.720 Well, I just look silly 00:17:04.530 --> 00:17:05.729 Travis Bader: and we'll talk about dismemberment. 00:17:07.069 --> 00:17:07.690 Seb Lavoie: Yeah, exactly. 00:17:08.610 --> 00:17:11.469 And, but, but if the, you know, if the consequences that are attached 00:17:11.469 --> 00:17:16.030 with whatever it is that you, you are pushing for are not catastrophic. 00:17:16.430 --> 00:17:17.130 Send it 00:17:17.569 --> 00:17:17.770 Travis Bader: like, 00:17:17.770 --> 00:17:20.030 Seb Lavoie: I, I generally, I generally don't really hold 00:17:20.030 --> 00:17:22.079 back on at all on any of those. 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:25.390 Uh, but, but I will hold back on things that have, you know, 00:17:26.610 --> 00:17:27.819 catastrophic consequences. 00:17:27.819 --> 00:17:31.329 And when I say catastrophic consequences, I mean, if it was to affect your 00:17:31.329 --> 00:17:35.589 family in a very negative way or, or, or your business in a way that 00:17:35.619 --> 00:17:40.360 it'd be difficult to sustain living or whatever, um, you know, obviously 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:42.480 those things, there has to be more. 00:17:43.040 --> 00:17:46.729 There has to be more articulation to myself behind the decisions 00:17:46.729 --> 00:17:49.340 that I'm making or the, or the direction that I'm taking. 00:17:50.020 --> 00:17:54.409 But if it's just, if it's just that I'm encountering a lot of resistance, 00:17:55.839 --> 00:17:58.570 things happen where most people fail 00:17:59.250 --> 00:17:59.400 Travis Bader: and 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:00.329 Seb Lavoie: most people quit. 00:18:00.380 --> 00:18:00.880 Travis Bader: That's right. 00:18:01.049 --> 00:18:04.800 Seb Lavoie: Right on the other side of quitting is what you're after. 00:18:05.659 --> 00:18:09.939 But what's difficult is it's easy to have that conversation. 00:18:10.610 --> 00:18:15.890 But when it happens, wheels to the pavement and, and you get hit over and 00:18:15.930 --> 00:18:22.300 over and over and over again, it's really easy to take the path of least resistance, 00:18:22.539 --> 00:18:24.919 which is okay, maybe now is not the time. 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:28.960 And so the answer is you don't know if that's the case. 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:32.910 And so for me, unless there's catastrophic consequences attached to this, I'm going 00:18:32.910 --> 00:18:36.860 to push until I can no longer physically or mentally and emotionally cannot. 00:18:38.389 --> 00:18:42.589 Travis Bader: You know, I've always kind of used the phrase 00:18:42.610 --> 00:18:43.869 done is better than perfect. 00:18:44.669 --> 00:18:50.280 And I've also looked at, um, what's actually catastrophic because what's 00:18:50.280 --> 00:18:54.875 catastrophic in my mind today is A month from now, a year from now, 00:18:54.875 --> 00:18:56.375 I look back like that was nothing. 00:18:56.435 --> 00:18:59.314 And even the things that seem catastrophic, you can go back on 00:18:59.314 --> 00:19:02.405 and say, well, it seemed pretty bad at the time, but look at the 00:19:02.405 --> 00:19:03.914 better place I'm in right now. 00:19:03.964 --> 00:19:05.274 Look at what I've learned from it. 00:19:05.354 --> 00:19:07.114 And with the done is better than perfect. 00:19:07.114 --> 00:19:10.484 If I'm building a project or doing something, and I'll do it even with this 00:19:10.504 --> 00:19:14.854 podcast, like I'll agonize over certain parts of this and how should the intro be? 00:19:14.854 --> 00:19:15.774 And how should that be? 00:19:15.774 --> 00:19:15.935 And. 00:19:16.555 --> 00:19:19.075 I've recently just kind of changed things up a bit, and I'm trying a 00:19:19.075 --> 00:19:23.195 few things out to, uh, expand the value that we bring to the audience. 00:19:23.264 --> 00:19:26.945 And I figure, you know what, if I throw this out to the world, 00:19:26.964 --> 00:19:28.475 that'll be the ultimate litmus test. 00:19:28.475 --> 00:19:29.445 Maybe I'll look silly. 00:19:29.455 --> 00:19:33.195 Maybe, maybe it'll tank a little bit, but I'm going to learn 00:19:33.195 --> 00:19:34.705 from this and, and move on. 00:19:34.715 --> 00:19:36.774 Done is better than perfect has been the one that's helped 00:19:36.784 --> 00:19:38.214 me get through those points. 00:19:39.024 --> 00:19:40.965 Seb Lavoie: Wasn't that one of Patton's most 00:19:40.965 --> 00:19:41.815 Travis Bader: favorite quotes? 00:19:42.205 --> 00:19:43.195 Was it him who said that? 00:19:43.195 --> 00:19:43.605 Yeah. 00:19:43.655 --> 00:19:44.025 Okay. 00:19:44.065 --> 00:19:48.250 I'd steal another one from him, which is, uh, Uh, don't tell a person how 00:19:48.250 --> 00:19:50.970 to do something, tell them what you want to see achieved and let them. 00:19:51.835 --> 00:19:53.405 Surprise you with the results. 00:19:53.615 --> 00:19:55.065 Decentralized command. 00:19:55.225 --> 00:19:55.625 Yeah. 00:19:55.645 --> 00:19:56.555 It's massive, isn't it? 00:19:57.625 --> 00:19:58.425 Decentralized command. 00:19:58.425 --> 00:20:02.695 So you sent me a pretty cool video and I watched the thing 00:20:02.695 --> 00:20:04.084 through, it was about 45 minutes. 00:20:04.084 --> 00:20:07.345 And so that's, that's a time commitment for somebody with ADHD to go through. 00:20:07.574 --> 00:20:08.435 I'm not going to lie. 00:20:08.484 --> 00:20:13.455 I put my finger on it to play it at two times speed, but, uh, uh, but I watch it 00:20:13.465 --> 00:20:19.405 front of back and it was a neurosurgeon, MIT Uh, educated neurosurgeon spent 00:20:19.405 --> 00:20:24.305 about 20 years of his life doing neurosurgeon stuff, working on spines 00:20:24.305 --> 00:20:28.124 and learning about brains and wanting to make a huge impact on people's lives. 00:20:29.114 --> 00:20:35.435 And he up and quit and he made a massive decision to change the direction of his 00:20:35.435 --> 00:20:37.645 life to be more connected with nature. 00:20:38.085 --> 00:20:45.110 And he boiled down what he was seeing in the medical world of, uh, People 00:20:45.110 --> 00:20:46.890 who would come into him for a problem. 00:20:46.890 --> 00:20:51.070 They would have, let's say, degenerative disc disease or balds in their spine. 00:20:51.070 --> 00:20:54.990 And they're in a lot of pain and he would operate on them and they'd be back 00:20:54.990 --> 00:20:57.999 six months later or a year later with the exact same problem, maybe in the 00:20:58.140 --> 00:21:02.105 same place or different area, and And there's other people who he would work 00:21:02.105 --> 00:21:04.535 on and they would come into his intake. 00:21:04.545 --> 00:21:05.835 He's getting ready to do surgery. 00:21:06.225 --> 00:21:07.165 All right, here's your date. 00:21:07.165 --> 00:21:08.925 And they come back and they'd be like, yeah, you know, I still got 00:21:08.925 --> 00:21:10.685 this bulge disc, but I'm pain free. 00:21:10.755 --> 00:21:12.065 Like, do I still have to come in here? 00:21:12.545 --> 00:21:16.324 And he was using a questionnaire process to look at their lifestyle, 00:21:16.324 --> 00:21:17.474 to look at where they're at. 00:21:17.484 --> 00:21:24.014 And he noticed a, a trend and the trend that he tracked over a number 00:21:24.014 --> 00:21:28.745 of years for people who were seeing positive results, hadn't Little 00:21:28.745 --> 00:21:31.975 to anything to do with the medical intervention that he was providing. 00:21:32.235 --> 00:21:38.075 And if I remember correctly, uh, the big points that he pointed out were diet and 00:21:38.075 --> 00:21:42.514 he kind of pointed to a low sodium, uh, more of a plant based don't get rid of 00:21:42.514 --> 00:21:45.714 meat, but more plant based, um, sleep. 00:21:46.010 --> 00:21:51.340 Prioritizing sleep, um, exercise, being able to sweat, essentially get out 00:21:51.340 --> 00:21:56.560 there and move and sweat, um, positive social connections were massive. 00:21:56.560 --> 00:21:59.439 And of course there's that Harvard study that says that's the number one 00:21:59.460 --> 00:22:01.199 predictor for happiness in people. 00:22:02.340 --> 00:22:04.640 And I think, was there one more piece? 00:22:04.899 --> 00:22:07.100 Because the one more piece I would add would be purpose. 00:22:07.130 --> 00:22:10.370 That was one that he didn't put in there for general happiness. 00:22:10.370 --> 00:22:14.290 Having a purpose combined with those would, uh, would help a person. 00:22:15.205 --> 00:22:20.865 But he looked at these pieces and he says, I don't think I'm bringing the maximum 00:22:20.865 --> 00:22:22.675 positive effect I can bring to people. 00:22:22.855 --> 00:22:26.395 What if I started a YouTube channel and I did my best just to bring nature to them? 00:22:27.595 --> 00:22:28.004 And it was. 00:22:28.810 --> 00:22:32.889 Kind of a, I mean, for somebody to make that decision and leave 00:22:32.950 --> 00:22:37.389 a well-paying prestigious job, everyone's gonna be looking at him. 00:22:37.389 --> 00:22:39.370 His friends are gonna be saying, what the hell are you doing? 00:22:39.370 --> 00:22:40.450 Why are you doing this? 00:22:40.510 --> 00:22:44.500 They're gonna ask him to justify it and he'll be, he said he felt foolish 00:22:44.860 --> 00:22:48.250 and then he stopped feeling foolish and other people felt foolish for him. 00:22:48.250 --> 00:22:51.879 He said they were, see, looking at him and feeling embarrassed, said he'd leave. 00:22:52.730 --> 00:22:56.660 And I thought that whole thing was really interesting for what he had 00:22:56.660 --> 00:23:01.370 went through, but also what you have gone through with your career. 00:23:01.710 --> 00:23:04.370 You spent a fair bit of time with the RCMP. 00:23:04.550 --> 00:23:10.749 You got yourself to a position coveted, worked very hard and you left. 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:15.740 Is there a similarity between what this doctor was going through 00:23:15.760 --> 00:23:17.070 and what you have gone through? 00:23:17.845 --> 00:23:18.865 Seb Lavoie: Unquestionably. 00:23:18.945 --> 00:23:21.754 So the one piece that that was missing, the one angle that was 00:23:21.754 --> 00:23:23.945 missing with him is stress management. 00:23:24.015 --> 00:23:24.655 Yes. 00:23:24.665 --> 00:23:24.915 Right. 00:23:24.975 --> 00:23:25.665 Mindfulness. 00:23:25.694 --> 00:23:26.104 Yes. 00:23:26.165 --> 00:23:28.675 Mindfulness, stress management, all the mechanisms that 00:23:28.675 --> 00:23:30.025 feed into stress management. 00:23:30.515 --> 00:23:36.675 And I think that as valuable as the video was, When he's explaining and 00:23:36.685 --> 00:23:41.645 giving us the rational explanation as to why he left, what was really 00:23:41.645 --> 00:23:43.655 critical to me is what he didn't say. 00:23:44.195 --> 00:23:44.675 Tell me. 00:23:44.874 --> 00:23:49.185 Well, it was quite evident that the mechanisms that were employed by 00:23:49.185 --> 00:23:52.124 the people that were getting better were things that he couldn't do. 00:23:52.225 --> 00:23:52.665 Yes. 00:23:52.705 --> 00:23:53.475 Himself. 00:23:53.604 --> 00:23:53.804 Yeah. 00:23:53.804 --> 00:23:57.735 And so not only did he see that as a problem for people recovering from 00:23:57.735 --> 00:24:01.945 injury, but he saw it as a problem for himself because he was heading down 00:24:01.945 --> 00:24:04.075 the same path without a back injury. 00:24:05.385 --> 00:24:08.705 And one of the things he said to that effect was in relation 00:24:08.705 --> 00:24:14.135 to, I probably won't live to be 60 if I continue down this path. 00:24:14.135 --> 00:24:19.634 And just imagine, you know, being a sought after neurosurgeon on call all 00:24:19.634 --> 00:24:24.274 the time being dragged out everywhere and doing some very, very complex work 00:24:25.014 --> 00:24:29.340 with some people that Sometimes you can help and other times you can't. 00:24:29.340 --> 00:24:31.900 So there is a, there is a, there is an emotional load that's 00:24:31.900 --> 00:24:35.400 being carried as well on that and, and, and a certain burden. 00:24:37.250 --> 00:24:44.169 And so, you know, for me, when I, when I, when I watched that, the, 00:24:44.180 --> 00:24:46.429 the one feeling that came to sort of. 00:24:47.270 --> 00:24:53.680 That flared up was gratitude and, and I say gratitude and it sounds, it sounds, 00:24:53.710 --> 00:24:58.959 you know, either rehearse or, or, or, or tacky or, or, but the reality is I 00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:05.010 felt gratitude that I realized early enough in life that the things that I 00:25:05.010 --> 00:25:09.910 adore doings and the things that I was engaged in on an, on an operational front 00:25:09.940 --> 00:25:16.200 and the things that I, that I'd made my life meaningful over the last 25 years. 00:25:17.370 --> 00:25:22.449 Also had an underlying sort of hurting mechanisms. 00:25:22.509 --> 00:25:24.529 And so, you know, whether it's. 00:25:24.765 --> 00:25:29.895 Uh, exposure to trauma, like repeat exposure and consistent exposure to 00:25:29.895 --> 00:25:34.734 trauma, whether it's even dealing with administrative stresses, you know, 00:25:34.734 --> 00:25:39.074 from dealing with, with the nation, the nation's Capitol or, or, or the 00:25:39.074 --> 00:25:41.654 head office or, and, and, and, and. 00:25:42.015 --> 00:25:47.385 And managing highly stressful, highly consequential events in a, in a variety of 00:25:47.385 --> 00:25:51.335 different ways, whether it was tactically when I was, you know, in that kind of 00:25:51.335 --> 00:25:55.745 position or even administratively, if there, if the consequences attached 00:25:55.774 --> 00:25:59.265 to whatever actions that you are taking have a greater impact on the 00:25:59.265 --> 00:26:01.415 collective, which can be catastrophic. 00:26:01.485 --> 00:26:01.985 And so. 00:26:02.840 --> 00:26:05.580 All of this is a lot of stress and all you have to do. 00:26:05.580 --> 00:26:09.110 And I remember in 2015, I went to Hawaii for a vacation, 00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:10.570 which is coming back next week. 00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:16.460 So I went to Hawaii for a vacation and I, and I'm like, you know, I love my job. 00:26:16.490 --> 00:26:18.060 It really doesn't stress me out. 00:26:18.610 --> 00:26:19.940 I can manage everything. 00:26:19.940 --> 00:26:21.360 I'm good to go, all this stuff. 00:26:21.360 --> 00:26:23.000 And I was going to Hawaii for three weeks. 00:26:23.139 --> 00:26:23.899 I come back. 00:26:24.095 --> 00:26:29.185 And I was wearing a Garmin and my heart rate monitor was on just coincidentally. 00:26:29.185 --> 00:26:30.625 I never set it up or anything. 00:26:31.225 --> 00:26:36.945 And I sat down at my desk coming back, post vacation, and I fired up my email and 00:26:36.945 --> 00:26:43.155 within reading four or five email, I was 10 Heartbeat per minute above baseline. 00:26:44.055 --> 00:26:44.385 Right. 00:26:44.695 --> 00:26:49.235 And I remember thinking, I'm not feeling stressed right now at all. 00:26:49.515 --> 00:26:55.554 Like I'm not feeling an increase arousal or stress or anything yet. 00:26:55.565 --> 00:26:56.455 Here we are. 00:26:57.074 --> 00:27:00.254 You know, there is a, there, there is a physiological. 00:27:00.639 --> 00:27:04.480 Consequence to the type of work that I spent 20 years doing. 00:27:04.830 --> 00:27:08.139 And we are seeing it with a, with the suicide rates. 00:27:08.139 --> 00:27:13.190 We are seeing it with, you know, the, the amount of people that have severe post 00:27:13.190 --> 00:27:16.249 traumatic stress disorder, occupational stress injury, the amount of people that 00:27:16.250 --> 00:27:21.230 are in depressive states that have to stop working, all of those things are, are. 00:27:21.460 --> 00:27:22.480 So I do believe this. 00:27:22.520 --> 00:27:26.200 I do believe that a profession like this has a timeline. 00:27:26.369 --> 00:27:30.149 I do believe that we've extended the timeline way, way past. 00:27:30.405 --> 00:27:31.584 What is safe. 00:27:31.915 --> 00:27:36.605 And if we look historically at some of our members that worked for 30 and 40 00:27:36.615 --> 00:27:42.125 years, most of them, if not all of them are dead within a year of retiring. 00:27:42.925 --> 00:27:44.024 There is a good high percentage. 00:27:44.024 --> 00:27:44.465 Isn't there? 00:27:44.774 --> 00:27:46.325 It's incredibly high. 00:27:46.504 --> 00:27:51.014 And right now we are seeing it with some of our, some of our highest flyers 00:27:51.365 --> 00:27:55.550 that for, you know, Three decades of, I've provided an incredible service or 00:27:55.760 --> 00:28:01.790 extremely dedicated to a time obsessives, some might say, and really, really out 00:28:01.790 --> 00:28:05.080 there doing the thing and getting after it and helping as much as they could at 00:28:05.090 --> 00:28:08.639 every job and taking all the overtime in the world, doing all this stuff. 00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:10.490 And they are dropping like flies. 00:28:10.939 --> 00:28:12.300 You're seeing them drop like flies. 00:28:12.360 --> 00:28:15.950 And we're talking about people in their early fifties or mid fifties 00:28:16.760 --> 00:28:19.215 in great physical condition, people that have, that have Taking care 00:28:19.215 --> 00:28:20.475 of their bodies, all this stuff. 00:28:20.514 --> 00:28:26.705 And so, so, so answer your question precisely, you know, for me, I've had 00:28:26.705 --> 00:28:31.554 a great career, no complaints about my career, but I was very aware of the cost 00:28:31.915 --> 00:28:36.214 of the, of the work, of the unspoken cost of the work and the subconscious 00:28:36.214 --> 00:28:40.084 cost of the work, which was in my case, conscious, I knew it was happening, 00:28:40.084 --> 00:28:45.465 even if I didn't fully understand the extent to which it happened. 00:28:46.300 --> 00:28:51.340 And so when I decided to go out and explore life, I already had 00:28:51.350 --> 00:28:57.760 built enough experience in managing things that I, in which the external 00:28:57.769 --> 00:29:03.810 factors were extremely complex and successfully so that I wasn't worried 00:29:03.820 --> 00:29:05.950 about what's going to happen with me. 00:29:06.490 --> 00:29:09.510 I thought of it, it played on my mind. 00:29:09.520 --> 00:29:15.045 It wasn't the safest option, but it was But it also was, it also was a 00:29:15.055 --> 00:29:18.375 great challenge and a great op and something that I knew I would have 00:29:18.375 --> 00:29:22.384 to step up for myself in, in sort of a burn the boats type scenario. 00:29:23.405 --> 00:29:27.344 And, and when you're left with, when you left yourself no other choice, you, 00:29:27.344 --> 00:29:31.429 you have To take actions and you have to do the things that you need to do to, 00:29:31.430 --> 00:29:36.550 to, to satisfy or to, to accomplish the outcome that you're, that you're after. 00:29:37.220 --> 00:29:41.369 And so when I watched this video and I saw him explaining what he 00:29:41.370 --> 00:29:47.170 was hoping to accomplish out of his career, what triggers, so to speak, 00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:52.930 made him realize that what he was doing wasn't exactly in line with. 00:29:53.360 --> 00:29:58.220 With what gave his life meaning and that there was potentially a better 00:29:58.220 --> 00:30:03.070 way to achieve the meaning don't fall in love with your own plan. 00:30:03.820 --> 00:30:05.920 Don't don't fall in love with your own plan. 00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:07.489 I don't care how much you invested in it. 00:30:07.500 --> 00:30:10.459 Like, and the reason why I say this is imagine this. 00:30:10.900 --> 00:30:13.040 We have now an MIT train. 00:30:13.175 --> 00:30:18.815 Neuroscientist, a neurosurgeon that has 10 years of experience and he's out there 00:30:18.815 --> 00:30:24.745 in nature, focusing on his dog and, and, and, and connecting with nature, but now 00:30:24.745 --> 00:30:29.304 he brings this to other people and that there's a great lesson in there because 00:30:29.305 --> 00:30:34.065 if you want commitment to a cause, It takes 10 years, 15 years of schooling 00:30:34.065 --> 00:30:35.575 to get to the position that he was in. 00:30:35.575 --> 00:30:37.135 And then he did it for 10 years. 00:30:37.575 --> 00:30:42.295 And the money that's associated with that position is really good. 00:30:42.365 --> 00:30:43.125 Travis Bader: It's next level. 00:30:43.144 --> 00:30:44.055 It's really good. 00:30:44.055 --> 00:30:44.655 Yeah, it is. 00:30:45.285 --> 00:30:50.785 Seb Lavoie: So, so now you have from an outsider looking in, When now you 00:30:50.785 --> 00:30:54.915 start, this is perspective for you and it's not invalidation, it's perspective. 00:30:55.095 --> 00:30:57.445 You can look at this and say, okay, this guy was an MIT 00:30:57.445 --> 00:31:01.004 trained neuros, neurosurgeon that spent 10 years in neurosurgery. 00:31:01.054 --> 00:31:05.455 He made a ton of money and he made a decision that was better 00:31:05.455 --> 00:31:06.724 for his wellness overall. 00:31:06.734 --> 00:31:09.185 And that is the number one priority at the end of the day. 00:31:09.795 --> 00:31:13.405 And so, when you look at this and you, you know, you've spent. 00:31:13.890 --> 00:31:17.320 Three years in policing, for example, and you did a six months course to get 00:31:17.320 --> 00:31:22.820 there and you, you know, um, it's easy to think that everything you've put 00:31:22.820 --> 00:31:27.240 so much effort in that somehow, if you don't follow the path that you were 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:31.199 established for yourself, that you're going to do it wrong, but it isn't 00:31:31.199 --> 00:31:35.300 the case, that path that you forged, the information you've gained, the 00:31:35.300 --> 00:31:39.390 knowledge, skills, and abilities that you've gained are a part of who you are. 00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:41.019 I don't care what you do. 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:42.460 It's never going away. 00:31:42.460 --> 00:31:47.570 Like this guy, academic, academic achievements, the fact that he was 00:31:47.570 --> 00:31:51.869 able to negotiate what arguably non arguably one of the hardest program that 00:31:51.869 --> 00:31:53.800 probably is in, in the medical school 00:31:56.190 --> 00:32:02.450 as, as given him the self confidence that he needed to walk away from it, 00:32:03.290 --> 00:32:03.680 Travis Bader: you know, 00:32:04.030 --> 00:32:04.770 Seb Lavoie: all of that. 00:32:04.810 --> 00:32:08.540 And now he goes into a different venture with the same 00:32:08.840 --> 00:32:11.180 analytical mind, with the same. 00:32:11.600 --> 00:32:16.440 Intellectual capacity with the same drive, with the same, all of those things. 00:32:16.650 --> 00:32:18.660 So he's polished all of those tools. 00:32:18.790 --> 00:32:20.850 He's bringing them into a different context. 00:32:21.270 --> 00:32:26.780 Like he hasn't negated what he did for 20 years, that 20 years made him. 00:32:28.290 --> 00:32:33.419 And so now he's able to address life, you know, look, look, look, look at 00:32:33.419 --> 00:32:36.340 life through a different lens, but with all of that skills, knowledge, 00:32:36.340 --> 00:32:37.500 and ability is going nowhere. 00:32:38.380 --> 00:32:40.810 Travis Bader: There's a lot of power in what you just relayed there. 00:32:41.110 --> 00:32:45.230 And, you know, there's, there's that logical fallacy of being pot committed 00:32:45.230 --> 00:32:47.240 that so many people subscribe to. 00:32:47.539 --> 00:32:51.760 I put all of this time in, I put all this money into it. 00:32:51.779 --> 00:32:52.950 It's going to pay off soon. 00:32:52.979 --> 00:32:54.140 It's going to pay off soon. 00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:59.260 And being able to stop regroup, take a more desirable course of action by using 00:32:59.260 --> 00:33:00.590 what you've learned through all of that. 00:33:01.460 --> 00:33:03.570 I, I think there's a lot of power to that. 00:33:03.790 --> 00:33:06.960 And you know, the other one was don't get married to the plan. 00:33:06.990 --> 00:33:09.760 I don't know if I'm paraphrasing what you said there, but don't, 00:33:09.770 --> 00:33:11.280 don't get married to the plan. 00:33:11.280 --> 00:33:14.399 Don't get yourself so attached to the plan that you had in place. 00:33:14.410 --> 00:33:20.970 So the plan isn't giving you the outcome that you're looking for, but you also said 00:33:20.970 --> 00:33:24.170 something about looking for your meaning. 00:33:25.030 --> 00:33:26.310 What gives your life meaning? 00:33:26.450 --> 00:33:28.869 Seb Lavoie: Yeah. 00:33:28.870 --> 00:33:34.230 Various things give my, give my life meaning and all of those things are, are. 00:33:35.285 --> 00:33:36.675 Somewhat interconnected. 00:33:36.675 --> 00:33:41.075 And again, you know, we, as human beings, we, we tend to silo things because it 00:33:41.075 --> 00:33:45.105 makes us, it makes it easier for us and more palatable and easier to process. 00:33:45.435 --> 00:33:50.275 The reality is everything is interconnected deeply and viscerally 00:33:50.375 --> 00:33:54.754 and, and failing to recognize that can cause, can cause issues. 00:33:55.025 --> 00:33:58.735 And so for me, it's always been at the core of it, helping the 00:33:58.735 --> 00:34:00.485 collective in one way or another. 00:34:00.885 --> 00:34:03.895 I just love, I just love to help people. 00:34:04.170 --> 00:34:07.770 Yes, it really doesn't matter in one, in what context it 00:34:07.770 --> 00:34:11.350 could be, you know, physically protecting them again against harm. 00:34:11.450 --> 00:34:15.350 It can be mentally and emotionally being present when they need a friend or 00:34:15.350 --> 00:34:17.570 somebody to talk to or bounce ideas off. 00:34:17.720 --> 00:34:21.499 It can be in a professional setting and, you know, with coaching people 00:34:21.499 --> 00:34:25.770 or, or, or going and, and, and do guest speaking appearances and, and really 00:34:26.080 --> 00:34:28.650 convey some critical information. 00:34:28.980 --> 00:34:32.240 To, you know, to, to, to people so that they can make better and more 00:34:32.240 --> 00:34:35.540 sensible decision in relation to the things that they're wanting to 00:34:35.540 --> 00:34:38.510 do, or the things that they're stuck in or whatever the case may be. 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:45.670 And so for me at the core, always been that the, the vehicles that I use. 00:34:45.930 --> 00:34:50.370 To, to accomplish that were many, you know, I, I was a coach, I, I 00:34:50.370 --> 00:34:54.760 had gyms, I did put my body and my mind in harm's way to help. 00:34:54.760 --> 00:34:57.880 I, I did step, step in when the time was required. 00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:02.519 I, you know, I, I, I, I was there for anybody and who's anybody that 00:35:02.520 --> 00:35:05.450 reaches into my DM and, and, and is going through a rough time. 00:35:05.700 --> 00:35:09.250 And, and more importantly for the people that are very close to me 00:35:09.250 --> 00:35:11.030 that have needed me along the way. 00:35:11.350 --> 00:35:13.480 Not once have I not been there. 00:35:13.550 --> 00:35:13.870 Right. 00:35:14.160 --> 00:35:19.120 And so all of those things and continuing to proliferate the message and continuing 00:35:19.120 --> 00:35:26.369 to be out there, trying to not impart wisdom, but share wisdom, you know, 00:35:26.640 --> 00:35:30.089 and I, and I, and I always use this word because really, when I come and 00:35:30.089 --> 00:35:33.730 do an interview with you, I learn as much from you as you do from me. 00:35:33.730 --> 00:35:34.490 And we're, and. 00:35:34.675 --> 00:35:37.245 It's a, it's a, it's an exchange, right? 00:35:37.745 --> 00:35:41.045 But sometimes when you're looking at a problem and when you're looking at 00:35:41.045 --> 00:35:45.814 something through either the same lens or at their same angle, it's kind of 00:35:45.815 --> 00:35:52.744 like, um, brainstorming with yourself, there is no brainstorming with yourself, 00:35:53.225 --> 00:35:54.794 you know, the storm keeps going. 00:35:54.795 --> 00:35:57.825 And at the end you spew out the exact same outcome, which you 00:35:57.835 --> 00:35:59.245 have cognitive bias towards. 00:35:59.435 --> 00:36:02.175 And that's going to happen over and over and over again until 00:36:02.175 --> 00:36:05.755 somebody else comes in and says, wait a minute, look at it this way. 00:36:05.755 --> 00:36:05.805 Okay. 00:36:06.385 --> 00:36:10.725 You know, so those are all mechanisms that give my life meaning. 00:36:10.845 --> 00:36:13.145 I'm not necessarily looking for happiness. 00:36:13.805 --> 00:36:16.975 Happiness is, is one of those things it's very fleeting. 00:36:16.985 --> 00:36:20.175 And if you're looking for happiness and this is your measure of success, 00:36:20.515 --> 00:36:25.464 however you define it, you're going to fail miserably multiple times in life. 00:36:25.595 --> 00:36:26.935 But if you're looking for meaning. 00:36:27.150 --> 00:36:31.140 You never fail, even if you're on the wrong end of adversity or 00:36:31.160 --> 00:36:32.620 something extremely difficult. 00:36:32.810 --> 00:36:37.850 Travis Bader: That's the whole concept of logo therapy, which is logo, logo, smart. 00:36:38.010 --> 00:36:40.550 I, you know what, I don't, you're gonna mess it up, but a logo, I'm 00:36:40.590 --> 00:36:44.449 not even going to get into what the Latin is, but essentially Viktor 00:36:44.450 --> 00:36:50.610 Frankl, um, was the third VNE school of, of, uh, psychotherapy. 00:36:51.105 --> 00:36:55.045 Come up with this concept of logo therapy, which is meaning searching for 00:36:55.055 --> 00:36:57.495 meaning because you look for happiness. 00:36:57.645 --> 00:36:58.835 You're never going to find it. 00:36:59.445 --> 00:37:03.195 Happiness should be a by product of your hard work and your efforts. 00:37:03.205 --> 00:37:04.325 It's something that happens. 00:37:04.325 --> 00:37:06.095 It's not something that you can obtain. 00:37:06.794 --> 00:37:13.785 Uh, in, in that, I think for a lot of people is a, um, Is a bit of an aha 00:37:13.785 --> 00:37:15.465 moment when they finally understand that. 00:37:15.475 --> 00:37:19.785 And they realize that, that they will be happy when they're doing things, whatever 00:37:19.785 --> 00:37:21.325 it is, it goes towards their meaning. 00:37:21.345 --> 00:37:25.815 And if that's being of service and value to others, then And very often 00:37:25.955 --> 00:37:27.865 that's where happiness will come from. 00:37:27.905 --> 00:37:32.595 I find personally, because if my, my idea of meaning is for me to be awesome 00:37:32.595 --> 00:37:38.925 and me to be perfect, it's very self centered and, uh, it's not going to fuel 00:37:38.925 --> 00:37:42.935 that happiness for me, maybe for someone out there, but I got to imagine that. 00:37:42.935 --> 00:37:43.149 It's. 00:37:43.940 --> 00:37:45.920 It's probably not the formula there. 00:37:46.450 --> 00:37:48.170 Seb Lavoie: Well, there's a lot of empty shells, right? 00:37:48.170 --> 00:37:49.670 Let's go, let's call a spade a spade. 00:37:49.670 --> 00:37:54.800 And so if you're an empty shell and you're, you are seeking and looking for 00:37:54.820 --> 00:37:59.640 constant, either external validation or, or even gaining perspective with 00:37:59.650 --> 00:38:04.359 the purpose in mind to self validate, you're going to start doing things. 00:38:04.720 --> 00:38:08.280 To pump yourself up because there is an insecurity there. 00:38:09.180 --> 00:38:10.590 There's a better way to do it. 00:38:10.680 --> 00:38:13.879 There's a much better way to do it because ultimately you can lie to everybody 00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:16.250 around you, but you can't lie to yourself. 00:38:17.339 --> 00:38:21.220 And you're, you're going to call yourself out every single time you do it. 00:38:21.520 --> 00:38:25.670 And eventually it will have consequences that are, you know, not 00:38:25.680 --> 00:38:28.820 the, not the, not the consequences that you would, that you would like. 00:38:28.820 --> 00:38:30.580 And so there's a better way to do it, which is. 00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:34.340 Action, the things that you need to action, to be the 00:38:34.340 --> 00:38:36.240 person that you say you are, 00:38:38.590 --> 00:38:39.320 that's it. 00:38:39.730 --> 00:38:44.350 And if you live with authenticity and you, and you are investing 00:38:44.390 --> 00:38:47.279 in the steps of the process to make you the person that you are. 00:38:47.820 --> 00:38:51.790 That you truly want to be, or the person that you say you are, or the person 00:38:51.790 --> 00:38:55.560 that you, that you, that you, you know, that other people are perceiving you 00:38:55.560 --> 00:38:57.389 to be, and that's what brings you joy. 00:38:57.709 --> 00:38:59.999 Then you want to make sure that you are that person. 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:01.880 What you see is what you get. 00:39:02.539 --> 00:39:03.810 Travis Bader: Because you can't have a disconnect. 00:39:04.330 --> 00:39:07.990 If there is a disconnect in there, you can't You'll know it and it's 00:39:08.140 --> 00:39:10.960 going to show, it's just going to rear its ugly head and in some very 00:39:10.980 --> 00:39:12.030 Seb Lavoie: interesting ways. 00:39:12.520 --> 00:39:13.040 It does. 00:39:13.040 --> 00:39:16.440 And, and the problem with that is a surreptitious ways in which, or the, 00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:21.850 um, insidious ways in which, in which it will affect you and insidious is 00:39:21.850 --> 00:39:26.630 dangerous, you know, cause it, it's almost, you can almost talk yourself out 00:39:26.630 --> 00:39:31.510 of something is happening here, but really what's happening is at the fundamental 00:39:31.790 --> 00:39:34.959 level, your insecurities are impacting. 00:39:35.380 --> 00:39:36.700 Everything you do. 00:39:36.890 --> 00:39:41.000 And so now you're 17 layers deep on this project or whatever the case may be. 00:39:41.310 --> 00:39:44.999 And, and nothing is going the way you wanted to, and all of this 00:39:45.049 --> 00:39:48.350 is triggered by insecurities that were never actually dealt with. 00:39:49.060 --> 00:39:52.300 So if there are insecurities that are not dealt with and you haven't optimized 00:39:52.300 --> 00:39:56.930 yourself, you're, you're going to bring these demons with you everywhere you go. 00:39:57.440 --> 00:39:57.990 Dealing with 00:39:57.990 --> 00:40:02.240 Travis Bader: these different challenges and speaking of challenges, 00:40:04.250 --> 00:40:07.000 you recently had an amputation. 00:40:07.650 --> 00:40:13.550 That you've had to work through, um, you know, you've approached that head on, 00:40:13.780 --> 00:40:15.580 you've approached it with positivity. 00:40:16.530 --> 00:40:22.820 You've been very brutally honest in social media, about the process and where 00:40:22.820 --> 00:40:27.269 you're at and how most of it you were looking at is, Hey, things are great. 00:40:27.279 --> 00:40:28.449 Things are going well. 00:40:28.659 --> 00:40:32.600 And I got to imagine when you talked before about being, uh, 00:40:32.620 --> 00:40:34.820 being there for other people when they reach out, it's good. 00:40:35.135 --> 00:40:37.295 Gotta take its toll on you. 00:40:38.270 --> 00:40:41.780 If you're of the mindset that you're always there for everybody as they 00:40:41.780 --> 00:40:45.470 reach out, and there's always going to be people that don't even realize 00:40:45.500 --> 00:40:48.800 the toll that they're putting on others when they ask for help. 00:40:48.870 --> 00:40:50.600 I remember what was that sign? 00:40:50.660 --> 00:40:54.749 There's an old show called the prisoner Patrick McGoogan or McGoogan 00:40:54.759 --> 00:40:56.670 was the star character of it. 00:40:56.690 --> 00:41:02.240 And on the intro to everyone, he'd ride into town and there's a sign that 00:41:02.240 --> 00:41:06.060 says questions are a burden unto others answers are a prison unto oneself. 00:41:06.580 --> 00:41:10.380 People don't realize the burden that they're putting on other people by 00:41:10.600 --> 00:41:12.000 constantly reaching out for help. 00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:16.109 I, it's a multi part kind of question. 00:41:16.109 --> 00:41:18.330 We could take it wherever we want to go, but I got to wonder 00:41:18.370 --> 00:41:21.010 about how you deal with that. 00:41:21.290 --> 00:41:24.310 If you're going to be a life preserver for all of these different people, 00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:26.920 um, where we kind of draw that line. 00:41:27.340 --> 00:41:32.150 And while you're dealing with your own Things that are going on, whether 00:41:32.150 --> 00:41:37.380 that be, you know, you've left work in the transition phase, you've been 00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:41.640 amputated, you've lost a leg, you've, uh, you're dealing with learning to 00:41:41.640 --> 00:41:45.859 be a new person, how to walk and, and, uh, exercise and get around. 00:41:47.990 --> 00:41:49.940 How are you dealing with that? 00:41:51.810 --> 00:41:58.320 Seb Lavoie: So, so for me, it's all about reframing and I use reframing Very, very 00:41:58.330 --> 00:42:01.060 seriously and all the time consistently. 00:42:01.510 --> 00:42:03.580 And I'll give you an example of where that might look like. 00:42:03.590 --> 00:42:04.030 Sure. 00:42:04.920 --> 00:42:09.900 We know that if a person takes the time out of their day to help 00:42:09.900 --> 00:42:14.850 somebody in need, that person is doing something that's, that's selfless, 00:42:14.859 --> 00:42:18.199 that's difficult, but is meaningful. 00:42:20.050 --> 00:42:24.290 If the person is going through a hard time themselves, and they're 00:42:24.290 --> 00:42:30.320 still out there for others, that's a next level of that meaning for me. 00:42:30.370 --> 00:42:35.639 Anyways, it, it, it adds to the meaning of what it is that I'm doing. 00:42:35.709 --> 00:42:38.879 And I've had people come back to me later. 00:42:39.899 --> 00:42:42.909 When I sent you this email, I never realized what was 00:42:42.909 --> 00:42:44.319 going on in your own life. 00:42:44.460 --> 00:42:46.260 Thank you so much for taking the time. 00:42:46.815 --> 00:42:48.805 Thank you so much for jumping on a zoom call. 00:42:48.805 --> 00:42:51.915 Thank you so much for going for coffee or whatever the case may be. 00:42:52.735 --> 00:42:56.355 And so I actually thrive in that. 00:42:56.435 --> 00:42:59.615 I thrive in that for a variety of different reasons, but one of those 00:42:59.615 --> 00:43:01.705 is I need to show up for myself. 00:43:02.395 --> 00:43:04.695 I am going through my own ordeals. 00:43:04.695 --> 00:43:08.275 I'm going through my own adversity and now I have to negotiate my adversity 00:43:08.275 --> 00:43:13.734 and perhaps helping somebody else that's having a hard time, not to be confused 00:43:13.734 --> 00:43:15.595 with not holding space for yourself. 00:43:16.125 --> 00:43:19.055 Like, and that's a, it's a feeling out process. 00:43:19.105 --> 00:43:22.775 I can't tell to the, I can't tell the next person that's doing way 00:43:22.775 --> 00:43:26.045 too much for everybody, perhaps that you should continue doing that. 00:43:26.045 --> 00:43:29.874 If it doesn't feel right at the end of the day, it needs, you need to do 00:43:29.875 --> 00:43:31.604 what feels right for you in the moment. 00:43:31.710 --> 00:43:34.850 And some people it's isolating when they're dealing with adversity. 00:43:34.850 --> 00:43:37.130 And then they come back and help the collective stronger. 00:43:37.570 --> 00:43:40.370 And that's the perfectly good way to do it. 00:43:40.830 --> 00:43:47.710 But for me personally, I just love to be challenged and I love to 00:43:47.720 --> 00:43:54.870 be challenged in a way that would really, really impact most people. 00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:58.680 You know, I love a real challenge like this amputation. 00:43:59.275 --> 00:44:05.055 That was a worthy challenge for me, you know, I, and, and, and for me to have, 00:44:07.215 --> 00:44:11.744 to continue engaging with the people, to continue to be there for those that 00:44:11.745 --> 00:44:15.054 needed me is, is just an added layer. 00:44:15.850 --> 00:44:18.770 To this, to this sort of meaningful enterprise that 00:44:18.770 --> 00:44:20.180 I got going on here, right? 00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:22.670 And you know what, let's call a spade a spade. 00:44:22.680 --> 00:44:26.970 Is it, is it a hundred percent selfless or is it, or is it somewhat self serving? 00:44:27.020 --> 00:44:29.039 It has to be, it's somewhat self serving. 00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:30.210 It makes me feel good. 00:44:30.600 --> 00:44:36.709 It makes me, it makes me spend less time fretting on some of the things that 00:44:36.709 --> 00:44:41.565 I'm going through and having, you know, Engage with other people and helping. 00:44:41.565 --> 00:44:45.285 And sometimes when I out there having a conversation with somebody 00:44:45.285 --> 00:44:47.635 and we're discussing all these things, sometimes I get answers to 00:44:47.635 --> 00:44:49.085 my own questions in the process. 00:44:49.695 --> 00:44:54.055 So there is a certain part of this that's, that is somewhat self serving, 00:44:54.615 --> 00:44:56.485 but it's on an individual basis. 00:44:56.485 --> 00:45:00.684 You need to, you need to know where the limits are for you. 00:45:00.685 --> 00:45:03.665 And that's, you know, a lifetime of establishing boundaries. 00:45:04.155 --> 00:45:07.685 And often what happens is I have very healthy boundaries. 00:45:07.875 --> 00:45:08.985 Very healthy. 00:45:09.215 --> 00:45:12.385 Some people laugh all the time at my boundaries. 00:45:12.385 --> 00:45:15.425 You know, when, when I'm in a social event, when I'm gone, 00:45:15.495 --> 00:45:18.265 nobody gets says hi to, I'm gone. 00:45:18.615 --> 00:45:19.295 I disappeared. 00:45:19.555 --> 00:45:20.125 That's it. 00:45:20.325 --> 00:45:21.584 There's no pass go. 00:45:21.584 --> 00:45:22.925 There's no claiming 200. 00:45:23.235 --> 00:45:24.244 It's like, see you later. 00:45:24.244 --> 00:45:24.474 Right. 00:45:24.475 --> 00:45:27.665 And everybody that knows me knows that when Seb is done here, he's gone. 00:45:27.925 --> 00:45:28.185 Yeah. 00:45:28.225 --> 00:45:28.525 Right. 00:45:29.035 --> 00:45:33.525 And, and those apply in a variety of different dimensions. 00:45:34.435 --> 00:45:36.375 But I may, I'm not ashamed. 00:45:36.600 --> 00:45:37.490 Of my boundaries. 00:45:37.520 --> 00:45:38.690 I have very clear. 00:45:38.790 --> 00:45:41.110 And so that is an important skill to have. 00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:46.230 If somebody doesn't have boundaries and they're trying to live in the 00:45:46.230 --> 00:45:53.100 way that I do, but without having boundaries, now they're going to 00:45:53.100 --> 00:45:55.069 get encroached upon all the time. 00:45:55.110 --> 00:45:55.490 Right. 00:45:56.060 --> 00:45:56.280 So. 00:45:57.275 --> 00:45:58.585 Let's take something very simple. 00:45:58.995 --> 00:46:00.695 A kid, a kid sends me a message. 00:46:00.695 --> 00:46:02.885 He says, Hey, I've been following your social media. 00:46:03.055 --> 00:46:04.465 I really love the stuff you put out. 00:46:04.465 --> 00:46:05.505 It's very motivating. 00:46:05.505 --> 00:46:08.235 I w you know, I want to be this, or I want to be that. 00:46:08.245 --> 00:46:10.584 And I was, I was hoping to get your thoughts on that. 00:46:10.764 --> 00:46:12.575 Well, I got 900 podcasts out. 00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:13.270 Yeah. 00:46:13.470 --> 00:46:18.130 So here, you know, here, here's a link to X, Y, and Z. 00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:21.690 And if you have any remaining questions, I'll be there after. 00:46:22.370 --> 00:46:26.400 So that's my way of establishing a certain boundary and still 00:46:26.620 --> 00:46:28.220 providing, providing some help. 00:46:28.980 --> 00:46:32.740 And so the question becomes, do I have boundaries? 00:46:33.130 --> 00:46:36.990 And if I do, what are some of the mitigating factors or some of the 00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:39.050 mitigating strategies that I can use? 00:46:39.380 --> 00:46:42.160 To maintain my boundaries and still accomplish the mission. 00:46:42.740 --> 00:46:46.480 So the mission is this, the mission execution is flowing. 00:46:46.530 --> 00:46:49.070 And this is, this is the biggest mistake that people make. 00:46:49.080 --> 00:46:52.030 It applies to tactical operation, but it also applies to life. 00:46:52.670 --> 00:46:54.880 You have an end goal, you have a plan, you have a mission. 00:46:56.019 --> 00:46:59.470 They, they falling in love with the mission is totally fine. 00:47:00.020 --> 00:47:01.070 Falling in love. 00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:05.040 In the way by which the mission is accomplished is not. 00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:06.220 Travis Bader: So when I 00:47:06.230 --> 00:47:08.670 Seb Lavoie: said, don't fall in love with your own plan earlier, I'm talking 00:47:08.670 --> 00:47:12.910 about the execution plan, the execution phase of the plan, which is which 00:47:12.930 --> 00:47:16.860 action do I need to take to achieve the outcome that I set for myself? 00:47:18.560 --> 00:47:22.940 And so that's something that has to be That has to be 00:47:22.940 --> 00:47:24.710 extremely clear in your mind. 00:47:24.750 --> 00:47:29.220 What is your mission and what are some of the, what are some of the ways by 00:47:29.220 --> 00:47:32.900 which you can accomplish the mission, maintaining healthy boundaries. 00:47:34.160 --> 00:47:35.870 Travis Bader: What were some of the biggest challenges that 00:47:35.880 --> 00:47:37.270 you've had with this amputation? 00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:44.230 And I'll throw a couple of things out there. 00:47:44.250 --> 00:47:49.630 I mean, When you were, when it first happened, you put a post 00:47:49.630 --> 00:47:50.930 out and says, okay, let's hear it. 00:47:50.930 --> 00:47:51.740 Let's hear the jokes. 00:47:51.770 --> 00:47:52.610 Come on guys. 00:47:52.700 --> 00:47:53.150 Right. 00:47:53.430 --> 00:47:55.839 I mean, I'm sure everyone loves, are you still enjoying the 00:47:55.839 --> 00:47:56.319 Seb Lavoie: jokes? 00:47:56.709 --> 00:47:57.730 Oh, absolutely. 00:47:57.919 --> 00:47:58.189 Travis Bader: Okay. 00:47:58.370 --> 00:48:01.639 Seb Lavoie: I got to tell you, man, if I'm being a hundred percent honest, which 00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:09.039 I always am anyways, um, I will say this, my request to ask or to ask people to make 00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:15.830 fun of me in that, at that time, Was the absolute saving grace of the first three 00:48:15.830 --> 00:48:21.560 days of my amputation, because what ended up happening is, and I want to bore you 00:48:21.560 --> 00:48:25.339 with the details, medically speaking, but they, I was supposed to have a stint in 00:48:25.339 --> 00:48:30.359 there that was supposed to prevent pain and it wasn't working, it wasn't firing. 00:48:30.359 --> 00:48:33.279 So I essentially raw dogged an amputation for two days. 00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:34.379 Right. 00:48:35.089 --> 00:48:40.575 And when that happens, I And I'm trying to distract myself from the 10 00:48:40.585 --> 00:48:42.055 out of 10 pain and all those things. 00:48:42.055 --> 00:48:47.745 And I jump on my social and I see a news, a news clip of me fighting a 00:48:47.745 --> 00:48:50.044 great white shark and having lost a leg. 00:48:50.085 --> 00:48:55.095 And, you know, it just made me laugh so hard that that is a natural thing. 00:48:55.505 --> 00:49:02.055 That is a natural medicine for pain, for adversity, for anything is to smile, to 00:49:02.055 --> 00:49:06.155 laugh, to take it life, to take yourself lightly, to not take everything so 00:49:06.165 --> 00:49:08.555 seriously, you know, all of those things. 00:49:09.044 --> 00:49:11.394 It was the single best decision I made. 00:49:12.570 --> 00:49:16.110 As I was going through the process was to say, let me have it. 00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:21.720 What it also did is it prevented people from getting in my inbox in a sort 00:49:21.720 --> 00:49:27.449 of self pity, you know, and I just, I gotta, I gotta tell you, man, I gotta 00:49:27.450 --> 00:49:34.870 tell you, I have, I have this thing where at the best of times, I absolutely 00:49:35.170 --> 00:49:37.960 do not like compliments at all. 00:49:37.990 --> 00:49:39.900 I, I, I don't, I'm the same. 00:49:39.940 --> 00:49:43.509 And it's funny because my, my fiance is soon to be wife 00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:45.290 makes fun of me all the time. 00:49:45.290 --> 00:49:48.340 She's like, you get so awkward when we give you compliments, right? 00:49:48.710 --> 00:49:54.059 And, and, and so if you think of it, you, you make a post, you make a mean, 00:49:54.139 --> 00:49:57.749 something that's meaningful that you think may have a meaningful impact on others. 00:49:58.109 --> 00:50:00.289 And now it becomes about you. 00:50:00.950 --> 00:50:03.210 Um, you know, because it's like, Oh, you're, you're the greatest. 00:50:03.210 --> 00:50:04.330 You're this, you're that, you're that. 00:50:05.530 --> 00:50:08.410 I'm not, what I'm doing here is, is nothing. 00:50:08.420 --> 00:50:11.100 And, and I'm going to, I'm going to say this. 00:50:11.100 --> 00:50:13.210 You look at a guy like Mark Omrod, for example. 00:50:13.630 --> 00:50:13.940 Right. 00:50:15.090 --> 00:50:18.899 I have a below the knee amputation and I'm not discounting the fact that 00:50:18.900 --> 00:50:23.050 it comes with challenges, but you, can you imagine, and it's an elective 00:50:23.050 --> 00:50:26.370 amputation, I made the decision to do it on account of the totality of the 00:50:26.370 --> 00:50:28.039 circumstances and it served the purpose. 00:50:28.039 --> 00:50:28.659 Okay. 00:50:29.655 --> 00:50:35.315 You're, uh, you know, a 19, 20, 21 year old vet that's out there somewhere 00:50:35.315 --> 00:50:37.965 patrolling and boom, three limbs missing. 00:50:38.565 --> 00:50:42.424 And now you're coming back and now you have to go through the, so I think 00:50:42.424 --> 00:50:50.694 that as humans, we, we, when we assess difficulty, we're not very good at it. 00:50:51.295 --> 00:50:55.485 At that we're not, we're, we're, we're actually not very good at knowing 00:50:55.485 --> 00:50:58.085 what's, what's truly, truly difficult. 00:50:58.155 --> 00:51:01.935 And, and what are the spectrums of difficulties that are going to be? 00:51:02.295 --> 00:51:06.154 And so, and I think part of this is you don't want to be elitist, right? 00:51:06.165 --> 00:51:08.004 Like, Oh, you're just a below the knee amputee. 00:51:08.004 --> 00:51:09.305 And we see it in amputee world. 00:51:09.305 --> 00:51:10.204 It's actually quite funny. 00:51:10.454 --> 00:51:14.045 There's a bit of drama like this, but one of the things, one of the things 00:51:14.045 --> 00:51:19.415 that's important to realize is that seriousness is only as serious as you. 00:51:19.890 --> 00:51:22.200 Apply it against the situation that you're in. 00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:23.870 That's a decision that you make. 00:51:24.670 --> 00:51:28.920 Nobody else can tell you this is really hard because for somebody really 00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:31.370 hard means walking two kilometers. 00:51:31.490 --> 00:51:31.810 Travis Bader: Sure. 00:51:32.300 --> 00:51:36.689 Seb Lavoie: For somebody really hard is running a hundred miles and for 00:51:36.689 --> 00:51:40.570 somebody really hard is running 10 times a hundred miles back to back. 00:51:41.580 --> 00:51:43.980 I, the spectrum is infinite. 00:51:44.950 --> 00:51:49.910 It's an infinite spectrum of difficulties and we are really bad at assessing, you 00:51:49.910 --> 00:51:51.870 know, what's truly, truly difficult. 00:51:51.900 --> 00:51:55.400 And so I came to the conclusion and for me, what, what has worked 00:51:55.409 --> 00:52:00.760 best over the years is to assign, to, to, to not assign a specific 00:52:00.760 --> 00:52:02.219 level of difficulty to an event. 00:52:02.580 --> 00:52:03.550 It just is. 00:52:04.420 --> 00:52:09.260 So instead of being like, Oh, that's going to be really hard, it changes nothing. 00:52:09.270 --> 00:52:12.460 Like me thinking that it's going to be really hard is an emotion. 00:52:14.110 --> 00:52:15.480 The work still has to get done. 00:52:15.490 --> 00:52:16.889 The actions still have to be taken. 00:52:16.890 --> 00:52:19.769 And I still have to take certain steps to make certain things happen. 00:52:20.190 --> 00:52:20.769 Travis Bader: Just is. 00:52:20.780 --> 00:52:23.710 Seb Lavoie: So you can stand in front of the board at the gym, watching 00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:27.855 the workout being Being laid out on the board and be like, Oh my God, 00:52:27.855 --> 00:52:28.795 this is going to be really hard. 00:52:28.795 --> 00:52:31.975 And you start getting in your head and you start interfering the process. 00:52:31.975 --> 00:52:33.755 You start doing all this, or you can look at this and they, 00:52:33.775 --> 00:52:34.825 this is what I have to do. 00:52:36.464 --> 00:52:40.625 Just is like a knowledge, the fact that, you know, you're unsettled 00:52:40.815 --> 00:52:45.185 about it, perhaps put the emotions aside and look at it objectively. 00:52:45.185 --> 00:52:47.435 It's the work that needs to be done. 00:52:48.105 --> 00:52:50.325 There's neither good nor bad, but thinking makes it so. 00:52:50.335 --> 00:52:51.645 A hundred percent. 00:52:52.375 --> 00:52:58.375 And I think a lot of people, it's greatly under or under appreciated, 00:52:58.415 --> 00:53:00.144 and it's greatly misunderstood. 00:53:01.355 --> 00:53:08.487 People think that things are coming with an associated value of difficulty 00:53:08.487 --> 00:53:14.132 or an S you know, and it's like, it doesn't, what is it for you? 00:53:14.132 --> 00:53:14.884 Mm hmm. 00:53:15.745 --> 00:53:18.855 Like, how do you feel about, you know, and it's, and it's so interesting because 00:53:19.395 --> 00:53:22.505 it's almost like, um, anecdotal stifling. 00:53:22.505 --> 00:53:25.115 Like if somebody is coming in and telling you how difficult something 00:53:25.115 --> 00:53:26.655 is, then automatically at that point. 00:53:27.150 --> 00:53:28.860 It's difficult to you, right? 00:53:29.130 --> 00:53:32.700 And this is how people talk themselves outta doing all the all kinds of stuff. 00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:36.390 I'm not gonna go to the special operation selection because a friend 00:53:36.390 --> 00:53:39.750 of mine who's much fitter than me or much faster and stronger, it 00:53:39.750 --> 00:53:43.630 didn't make it, so therefore I won't. 00:53:43.750 --> 00:53:44.650 Mm-Hmm, . You know, 00:53:44.890 --> 00:53:46.930 Travis Bader: it's a very odd kind of group think that I see 00:53:46.930 --> 00:53:49.390 people subscribe to quite often. 00:53:49.790 --> 00:53:52.900 So one person thinks a certain way, the group starts thinking a certain 00:53:52.900 --> 00:53:55.520 way they did a, um, who was it? 00:53:55.660 --> 00:54:01.260 Uh, it was Tim Cook and I think it was Elon. 00:54:01.690 --> 00:54:04.759 I think that the two of them were in an interview, they're talking 00:54:04.759 --> 00:54:09.660 about, uh, how they hire people, how they bring people on and. 00:54:10.245 --> 00:54:15.165 The one big takeaway that I got from it was individuals who are high 00:54:15.165 --> 00:54:19.595 performers that go into a low performing environment will quickly adapt to that 00:54:19.614 --> 00:54:22.345 low performing environment and vice versa. 00:54:22.375 --> 00:54:25.434 You can bring a low performer and put them in the group of high performers. 00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:27.060 And they'll quickly adapt to that. 00:54:27.070 --> 00:54:30.090 And this kind of group think mentality is so massive. 00:54:30.090 --> 00:54:32.660 If you're hanging around, people are like, Oh, this is hard. 00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:33.790 Oh, this is difficult. 00:54:33.790 --> 00:54:36.359 And that becomes your bar and that's your world. 00:54:36.370 --> 00:54:41.459 And it's, you're constrained within this little sphere of, well, here's my 00:54:41.470 --> 00:54:43.729 limits and here's as far as I can go. 00:54:44.190 --> 00:54:51.995 And I, I think, uh, having the mindset and maybe that comes from, you I 00:54:51.995 --> 00:54:57.895 guess, forging your own path to a big extent, as opposed to, uh, trying to 00:54:57.895 --> 00:55:03.414 surround yourself with other people with a larger fear, having your 00:55:03.415 --> 00:55:06.544 own path where you have an infinite sphere in different directions. 00:55:06.545 --> 00:55:10.234 They can get kind of go to, I'm just kind of thinking out loud as I go 00:55:10.234 --> 00:55:14.505 through here, because I can definitely say there are those with larger spheres 00:55:14.505 --> 00:55:18.135 that I will talk to and I'll look at, and I will say, okay, that sounds good. 00:55:19.015 --> 00:55:24.035 Uh, in certain areas, is that what you do, or are you, are you kind 00:55:24.035 --> 00:55:25.365 Seb Lavoie: of creating your own sphere? 00:55:26.215 --> 00:55:27.765 I think it's a combination of both. 00:55:27.765 --> 00:55:30.914 I think if you're surrounded, if you're surrounded with the right people around 00:55:30.914 --> 00:55:34.435 you, the people that elevate you, the people that bring out the best 00:55:34.435 --> 00:55:37.865 version of yourself, the people that will call you out every time that, 00:55:38.195 --> 00:55:41.400 you know, you're doing something that people Perhaps this is substandard 00:55:41.430 --> 00:55:44.510 or, or, or that you're limiting your potential or that you're lacking 00:55:44.520 --> 00:55:46.120 vision or whatever the case may be. 00:55:46.400 --> 00:55:50.310 I mean, if you're surrounded by people like this, it's, it's, it's a great. 00:55:50.820 --> 00:55:54.520 It's a great check in, you know, a periodical check in where you, where 00:55:54.520 --> 00:55:58.030 you, where you actually get to say, okay, where am I in relation to others 00:55:58.030 --> 00:55:59.430 that are doing all these things? 00:55:59.799 --> 00:56:03.779 And I think that that occurs naturally, but generally what happens is people, 00:56:03.790 --> 00:56:08.250 instead of embracing that and saying, I can now elevate myself, there's a, 00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:12.880 there's an attitude of resistance to what I, what it is that I'm seeing. 00:56:13.300 --> 00:56:15.590 Like, so if the person, you know, works out more than I 00:56:15.590 --> 00:56:16.900 do, oh, but they love to work. 00:56:16.930 --> 00:56:18.490 They love to get up in the morning. 00:56:18.725 --> 00:56:21.615 And they love to work out if this person does X, Y, and Z. 00:56:21.635 --> 00:56:21.955 Oh yeah. 00:56:21.955 --> 00:56:28.225 Well, but you know, uh, uh, I've done, you know, and so again, an, 00:56:28.375 --> 00:56:31.894 an emotional reaction or emotion or a chain and emotional reactions 00:56:31.895 --> 00:56:33.085 to a variety of different things. 00:56:33.085 --> 00:56:36.054 They have zero control over, and that's not what the purpose is. 00:56:36.375 --> 00:56:39.765 If you want to optimize yourself, you need to look at it differently. 00:56:40.690 --> 00:56:42.720 Can I be a little bit better here? 00:56:42.830 --> 00:56:44.530 Can I engage a little bit more here? 00:56:44.740 --> 00:56:45.390 Can I do this? 00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:48.310 And if your friends are going, are out there getting after it and 00:56:48.310 --> 00:56:52.040 getting things done and moving the needle and helping others, and this 00:56:52.399 --> 00:56:55.590 is the sphere that you're in, you're in the, you're in the right spot. 00:56:56.189 --> 00:57:00.350 As long as you have the right attitude in relation to what you are discovering about 00:57:00.350 --> 00:57:02.170 yourself or the things that you are doing. 00:57:02.830 --> 00:57:05.830 If you start playing a possum, or if you start putting your head in 00:57:05.830 --> 00:57:08.509 the sand, you're doing it wrong. 00:57:08.830 --> 00:57:09.870 It's not going to work. 00:57:09.870 --> 00:57:11.540 I don't care if you surround yourself with the best. 00:57:11.865 --> 00:57:12.785 The best of the best. 00:57:12.925 --> 00:57:18.760 So you need to be engaged in the process of actively seeking the chinks in your 00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:22.985 armors and so that you can reinforce areas of your armor that are lacking. 00:57:23.815 --> 00:57:25.045 Where are your chinks right now? 00:57:26.035 --> 00:57:33.020 Well, right now my leg is, uh, you know, um, For me, there's, 00:57:33.030 --> 00:57:34.350 there's, it's constant, right? 00:57:34.350 --> 00:57:37.080 I have chinks in every single dimensions of my life. 00:57:37.080 --> 00:57:40.830 So it's just a matter of, can I bring a little bit more polish here? 00:57:40.830 --> 00:57:42.330 Can I bring a little bit more finish? 00:57:42.330 --> 00:57:45.419 Can I build it a bit more, you know, resilience? 00:57:45.419 --> 00:57:47.390 Can I be, can I build it a bit more? 00:57:48.175 --> 00:57:50.405 Ability to communicate, like all of those things. 00:57:50.405 --> 00:57:56.575 And so I'm in a constant state of self evaluation constantly, and, and I'm 00:57:56.575 --> 00:58:02.175 not suggesting that sometimes it's not obsessive, you know, it can be obsessive. 00:58:02.214 --> 00:58:06.785 And, and I think that maintaining a healthy perspective. 00:58:07.010 --> 00:58:08.220 On the reality of things. 00:58:08.230 --> 00:58:09.460 So I will use an analogy. 00:58:09.460 --> 00:58:15.630 I will use a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu analogy, just because, just because, because what 00:58:15.630 --> 00:58:16.840 is the conversation with our Brazilians? 00:58:19.390 --> 00:58:20.609 So, so I'll give you an example. 00:58:20.690 --> 00:58:24.919 Um, you know, you're looking at the world class grapplers 00:58:24.919 --> 00:58:26.490 as, as it stands right now. 00:58:26.490 --> 00:58:27.110 And really. 00:58:27.990 --> 00:58:31.250 From a competitive standpoint, belts don't really matter all that much at all. 00:58:31.250 --> 00:58:36.370 You have like guys that are at the top level slaughtering world class black belts 00:58:36.390 --> 00:58:40.940 and their blues and purples, which is much lower ranks, but their skill level in the 00:58:40.940 --> 00:58:44.179 way they develop and the way they train and to train full time and all of those 00:58:44.179 --> 00:58:48.090 things has, has the propensity to create. 00:58:48.725 --> 00:58:49.965 Grapplers such as this. 00:58:49.995 --> 00:58:56.235 Now, if they train with the right people, it's the possibilities are endless. 00:58:57.035 --> 00:59:01.205 And so when you look at this as a recreational grappler or somebody that 00:59:01.215 --> 00:59:05.784 did Jiu Jitsu as a, as a matter of self protection in the context of maybe an 00:59:05.784 --> 00:59:08.994 operational career or whatever the case may be, or even, even just for self 00:59:08.994 --> 00:59:11.355 defense purposes, when you look at this. 00:59:11.785 --> 00:59:16.545 You now start questioning, like I'm a BJJ black belt, I've had it for three years. 00:59:16.545 --> 00:59:19.615 I'm technically a first Dan now, just a matter of receiving it. 00:59:20.085 --> 00:59:24.604 But when I look at an operation, an operating context, so let's go 00:59:24.605 --> 00:59:28.154 to a gym full of solid black belts that are competitive black belts. 00:59:28.235 --> 00:59:30.794 I'm now at the bottom of the totem pole, right? 00:59:30.794 --> 00:59:34.114 Like from a, from a competitive or from a, from a competitive 00:59:34.114 --> 00:59:38.995 standpoint, take that same person and bring them to a lineup at the bank. 00:59:39.765 --> 00:59:40.315 Mm hmm. 00:59:40.595 --> 00:59:41.545 And now what? 00:59:42.190 --> 00:59:42.560 Right. 00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:43.040 Yeah. 00:59:43.080 --> 00:59:49.040 Like, and so I think it's, it's really, really healthy to understand 00:59:49.040 --> 00:59:52.090 that you can always be better, but everything has a cost and equal, 00:59:52.460 --> 00:59:55.879 equal or opposite reaction, or sometimes disproportionate reaction. 00:59:55.929 --> 00:59:57.200 It's necessarily not equal. 00:59:57.259 --> 00:59:57.749 Right. 00:59:57.750 --> 00:59:58.030 Right. 00:59:58.040 --> 01:00:01.470 So you could go, so you could go, for example, you could say, okay, I want to be 01:00:01.470 --> 01:00:03.380 as good as a, as a competitive grappler. 01:00:03.545 --> 01:00:05.245 I now need to train eight hours a day. 01:00:05.275 --> 01:00:09.115 Well, something is going to give on account of you having to do 01:00:09.115 --> 01:00:10.755 that and many things probably. 01:00:10.935 --> 01:00:11.225 Right. 01:00:11.795 --> 01:00:12.325 And so. 01:00:13.025 --> 01:00:15.105 There's two, there's two portions to this. 01:00:15.455 --> 01:00:16.735 Where can I be 01:00:18.745 --> 01:00:21.015 and where, where am I in reality? 01:00:21.285 --> 01:00:26.505 If I'm comparing myself to people that don't do this for a living and where 01:00:26.525 --> 01:00:32.895 is it that I'm an X and an acceptable range or ratio of those two things that 01:00:32.905 --> 01:00:36.185 make me fulfilled, that make me capable. 01:00:36.645 --> 01:00:42.465 That make me performing well enough that I'm satisfied with this, you know? 01:00:42.465 --> 01:00:46.685 So it's a constant, it's a constant evaluating what's being done out there. 01:00:46.785 --> 01:00:48.815 What's better, who does it better? 01:00:48.825 --> 01:00:49.834 How can I get better? 01:00:49.834 --> 01:00:50.764 All of those things. 01:00:50.845 --> 01:00:54.674 And then an evaluation or a risk assessment associated with that decision. 01:00:55.384 --> 01:00:59.665 If I'm to do it as good as this, what has to give for me 01:00:59.665 --> 01:01:01.295 to make that happen, you know? 01:01:01.635 --> 01:01:05.435 And so for me, I just got really good at kind of striking the balance. 01:01:06.790 --> 01:01:08.860 And I'm very comfortable with that. 01:01:08.980 --> 01:01:11.690 When I tell people I'm a recreational black belt, they're like, they 01:01:11.690 --> 01:01:13.130 always say, why do you say that? 01:01:13.910 --> 01:01:14.790 Why do you say that? 01:01:14.919 --> 01:01:15.660 Because I am. 01:01:16.100 --> 01:01:16.480 Sure. 01:01:16.560 --> 01:01:22.490 It's different, you know, and, and, and, and telling you that I'm not a competitive 01:01:22.500 --> 01:01:24.949 black belt does not take away from me. 01:01:25.239 --> 01:01:25.980 That you're a black belt. 01:01:26.330 --> 01:01:28.040 It doesn't define me at all. 01:01:28.050 --> 01:01:29.430 It's just a part of who I am. 01:01:30.310 --> 01:01:33.250 But what's even more a part of who I am is authenticity. 01:01:33.775 --> 01:01:36.525 And I can't stand here and tell you all black belts are created equal. 01:01:36.535 --> 01:01:37.895 Cause it's just simply not the case. 01:01:37.905 --> 01:01:38.275 Sure. 01:01:38.895 --> 01:01:39.155 Right. 01:01:39.335 --> 01:01:47.234 So the least amount of your self reflection are causing you to, to 01:01:47.234 --> 01:01:49.205 get your hackles up and to start. 01:01:49.645 --> 01:01:54.955 To want to, I, you know, to want to hide or to, or to, or to want to sugar coat or 01:01:54.965 --> 01:01:59.065 do all of those things, as long as actions are taking to be the person you want to 01:01:59.065 --> 01:02:02.935 be, your self worth will be at a level where those things no longer affect you 01:02:03.445 --> 01:02:08.645 in the same way, but it takes practice and you need to take it on the chin. 01:02:11.045 --> 01:02:12.545 Travis Bader: It's interesting you bring up self worth. 01:02:12.595 --> 01:02:17.104 That was something that, uh, Chance was talking about recently and he says, you 01:02:17.104 --> 01:02:21.605 know, I've always had a difficult time valuing myself and the idea of self worth. 01:02:22.394 --> 01:02:23.595 And I think that's a common thing. 01:02:23.684 --> 01:02:27.654 I think that's pretty common for a lot of people to, um, you know, maybe part 01:02:27.654 --> 01:02:29.545 of it's being Canadian and humble, right. 01:02:29.575 --> 01:02:34.615 Maybe part of it's, uh, insecurities, um, Maybe it's cause 01:02:34.615 --> 01:02:36.195 we're always comparing ourself. 01:02:36.225 --> 01:02:39.025 If we look at self worth, well, I'm sure I'm a black belt, 01:02:39.025 --> 01:02:40.305 but I'm not that black belt. 01:02:40.345 --> 01:02:40.635 Right. 01:02:40.655 --> 01:02:43.365 And that black belt will say, sure, I'm that black belt, but I'm not. 01:02:45.425 --> 01:02:47.695 I think that's something that a lot of people struggle with. 01:02:48.205 --> 01:02:53.235 And you also brought up the fact that you have a difficult time taking compliments. 01:02:53.685 --> 01:02:58.615 Are those two things, uh, is there an intertwining in there at all of, 01:02:58.635 --> 01:03:02.680 um, um, Difficulty with compliments. 01:03:02.680 --> 01:03:05.700 Cause I, I have a difficult time when, when people give me compliments, 01:03:05.830 --> 01:03:06.990 I have a hell of a time with it. 01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:11.060 The biggest compliment I can ever get is for someone to say nothing, but just 01:03:11.060 --> 01:03:12.539 to live their life in a better way. 01:03:12.539 --> 01:03:15.380 If I was able to affect them in a better way, right? 01:03:15.730 --> 01:03:18.059 That, that would be a compliment to me. 01:03:19.210 --> 01:03:21.400 Why do you think you have a difficult time with compliments? 01:03:21.420 --> 01:03:23.770 And can you talk a little bit about self worth? 01:03:25.310 --> 01:03:25.690 Seb Lavoie: Yeah. 01:03:25.690 --> 01:03:28.430 Like I, I don't know is the answer. 01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:28.870 Okay. 01:03:28.870 --> 01:03:29.200 Travis Bader: Fair enough. 01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:29.990 Seb Lavoie: So 01:03:29.990 --> 01:03:30.560 Travis Bader: you're like me. 01:03:30.560 --> 01:03:30.680 All 01:03:30.680 --> 01:03:30.910 Seb Lavoie: right. 01:03:31.520 --> 01:03:34.990 So when it comes, when it comes to, when it comes to my difficulty 01:03:35.300 --> 01:03:39.599 accepting compliments, I, I, I remember being like this as a kid even. 01:03:39.630 --> 01:03:40.100 Yes. 01:03:40.309 --> 01:03:43.284 So, so this is not, this is not something new at all. 01:03:43.284 --> 01:03:43.604 And I think. 01:03:43.745 --> 01:03:46.835 I, I think to a certain extent, I was a ambivert. 01:03:46.995 --> 01:03:49.705 So I was a, you know, a person that had the capacity to be 01:03:49.725 --> 01:03:51.025 extroverted and introverted. 01:03:51.025 --> 01:03:51.165 I've 01:03:51.175 --> 01:03:52.265 Travis Bader: never heard that term before now. 01:03:52.265 --> 01:03:52.775 Ambivert. 01:03:52.825 --> 01:03:53.205 Seb Lavoie: Ambivert. 01:03:53.494 --> 01:03:53.674 Okay. 01:03:53.985 --> 01:03:56.685 And for me, I find that, 01:03:59.410 --> 01:04:03.850 Compliments piece or some of those things seem to bring the introvert in me. 01:04:04.120 --> 01:04:07.060 I want to, you know, I kind of want to go into hiding and I'm sure a 01:04:07.060 --> 01:04:10.170 psychologist listening to this is going to be, Oh, we got some trauma here or 01:04:10.170 --> 01:04:15.060 something, you know, and I'm not, I'm not suggesting there is by any stretch 01:04:15.060 --> 01:04:17.419 of imagination, but, but the reality is. 01:04:17.650 --> 01:04:19.890 It makes me extremely uncomfortable. 01:04:19.890 --> 01:04:24.060 And, and to a certain extent, if you said to me, okay, 01:04:24.240 --> 01:04:25.090 here's what we're going to do. 01:04:25.100 --> 01:04:28.259 You're going to, you're going to post as you normally do the regular 01:04:28.260 --> 01:04:30.890 content on your social media, you're going to have these conversations 01:04:31.890 --> 01:04:36.640 and everybody will bring a piece of their wisdom to what you just posted. 01:04:37.465 --> 01:04:40.275 But you will never again be externally validated. 01:04:40.415 --> 01:04:41.885 I would take that in a heartbeat. 01:04:43.235 --> 01:04:46.724 I legitimately do not need it at all. 01:04:46.855 --> 01:04:50.615 But what I do need, and what I like to see is people bringing 01:04:50.615 --> 01:04:51.915 a little bit more wisdom. 01:04:51.925 --> 01:04:54.924 So I start something, I put a post out there. 01:04:54.994 --> 01:04:56.985 Some will say that there's wisdom in there. 01:04:56.985 --> 01:05:00.435 It's, some will say that perhaps it's inspiring or whatever the case may be. 01:05:00.665 --> 01:05:01.075 Cool. 01:05:01.565 --> 01:05:04.485 But what do you have to contribute to this? 01:05:04.485 --> 01:05:04.624 Thanks. 01:05:04.875 --> 01:05:05.265 Right. 01:05:05.285 --> 01:05:05.515 Right. 01:05:05.655 --> 01:05:10.265 Because we're ultimately what happens is we live life as passengers in a car, 01:05:10.495 --> 01:05:12.115 and sometimes it's a driverless car. 01:05:12.225 --> 01:05:14.984 I'm just sit here in the passenger seat, waiting for somebody to do something, 01:05:15.455 --> 01:05:15.855 Travis Bader: anybody 01:05:15.855 --> 01:05:18.425 Seb Lavoie: to take the wheel, any external factors, anything 01:05:18.495 --> 01:05:22.035 is impacting me directly because I'm not engaged in a process. 01:05:22.855 --> 01:05:27.774 I want you in a, um, what's the word? 01:05:28.620 --> 01:05:35.260 Um, there is a word for a, a, a, a style of education where you educate and the 01:05:35.260 --> 01:05:39.790 person reframe what you've taught them, and they come out with the, uh, with, 01:05:39.790 --> 01:05:41.890 with their own version, so to speak. 01:05:41.890 --> 01:05:42.610 And, right. 01:05:42.670 --> 01:05:43.150 I'm forgetting. 01:05:43.150 --> 01:05:43.630 Iter, the word iterative. 01:05:44.050 --> 01:05:44.440 No. 01:05:44.560 --> 01:05:45.790 Um, no. 01:05:45.790 --> 01:05:49.240 There's, there's a, there's a, there's a, a really good word for it. 01:05:49.240 --> 01:05:52.240 And now I, I can't, I can con constructivism. 01:05:52.360 --> 01:05:53.125 Constructivism, okay. 01:05:53.130 --> 01:05:53.680 Constructivism. 01:05:53.680 --> 01:05:54.040 Yeah. 01:05:54.100 --> 01:05:55.240 I, I believe that's what it is. 01:05:55.540 --> 01:05:58.630 So in constructivism is exactly what should be. 01:05:59.090 --> 01:06:03.200 In my opinion is here's all this wisdom, all these technical data, all 01:06:03.200 --> 01:06:08.150 these things that I'm providing you, you assess this, assess all of this 01:06:08.190 --> 01:06:12.499 against your own skills, knowledge, and abilities, and you come, come 01:06:12.499 --> 01:06:14.720 up with a hypothesis of your own. 01:06:15.255 --> 01:06:16.455 In relation to something. 01:06:16.455 --> 01:06:18.985 And now we're really moving the needle forward because it's 01:06:18.985 --> 01:06:20.185 easy to jump on a bandwagon. 01:06:20.185 --> 01:06:20.415 Oh yeah. 01:06:20.415 --> 01:06:21.325 That was a great post. 01:06:21.355 --> 01:06:21.915 Love it. 01:06:22.245 --> 01:06:22.765 Next. 01:06:22.775 --> 01:06:23.155 Right. 01:06:23.185 --> 01:06:23.475 You know, 01:06:23.525 --> 01:06:26.064 Travis Bader: passenger in a bus, somebody else's driving for you. 01:06:26.325 --> 01:06:27.785 Seb Lavoie: And so what do we know about that? 01:06:27.805 --> 01:06:29.125 Well, I'll tell you what we know. 01:06:30.075 --> 01:06:32.314 You can sit in the passenger seat of a car. 01:06:32.910 --> 01:06:38.040 And go to the same location five times and never know how to get there. 01:06:38.080 --> 01:06:38.990 You got that. 01:06:39.030 --> 01:06:39.610 Yes. 01:06:39.850 --> 01:06:43.300 But if I say to you, I need you to take the map book, I'm dating myself 01:06:43.300 --> 01:06:45.880 here and I, and I need you to. 01:06:46.315 --> 01:06:50.135 To monitor X, Y, and Z and tell me when the next turn is and what the 01:06:50.135 --> 01:06:51.955 street name is and all of those things. 01:06:52.475 --> 01:06:56.215 When you ask that person again to drive back to that location, they're in a 01:06:56.225 --> 01:06:59.554 much better position to do that because they were engaged in the process. 01:07:00.015 --> 01:07:05.675 And most people live life disengaged and engage in other people's lives. 01:07:07.095 --> 01:07:09.175 So, so you see external things. 01:07:09.175 --> 01:07:10.075 You're like, Oh, that's cool. 01:07:10.075 --> 01:07:10.475 That's cool. 01:07:10.475 --> 01:07:10.855 That's cool. 01:07:10.855 --> 01:07:11.145 That's cool. 01:07:11.145 --> 01:07:12.795 But you disengage in your own life. 01:07:12.985 --> 01:07:18.625 And so that's why I always, I love when people are engaging in the post. 01:07:18.635 --> 01:07:19.745 So I post something. 01:07:20.185 --> 01:07:22.115 It's, it's, it's thoughtful. 01:07:22.115 --> 01:07:25.345 It's, it's, it's maybe sometimes at times intellectual, it might be a 01:07:25.345 --> 01:07:29.585 variety of different things for different people, or maybe it's completely 01:07:29.585 --> 01:07:31.314 at odds with how you see the world. 01:07:31.745 --> 01:07:34.335 And if that's the case, then I want to hear it. 01:07:34.805 --> 01:07:38.155 Like let, let it, let it formulate some sort of a hypothesis or 01:07:38.165 --> 01:07:41.944 let's, let's formulate something that I can now think about. 01:07:42.600 --> 01:07:44.970 And now, now we're expending the knowledge. 01:07:44.970 --> 01:07:47.210 And I mean, we've seen it on all platforms. 01:07:47.210 --> 01:07:48.920 You've seen it on your silver core podcast. 01:07:48.930 --> 01:07:52.250 You, you know, you're growing an idea as you were developing it, as you're talking. 01:07:52.740 --> 01:07:52.979 Travis Bader: And it's 01:07:52.979 --> 01:07:54.089 Seb Lavoie: the same with the collective. 01:07:54.110 --> 01:07:56.800 The collective is really good at that because you have all these 01:07:56.800 --> 01:07:59.899 different perspectives coming in, all these smart people with 01:07:59.900 --> 01:08:03.270 incredible backgrounds, and they're bringing a different angle to this. 01:08:03.430 --> 01:08:06.480 And next thing you know, your own thought process has evolved. 01:08:07.370 --> 01:08:09.070 Adaptation is good. 01:08:09.250 --> 01:08:11.809 Evolution is, is excellent. 01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:15.880 Travis Bader: What do you think about Jason, and I'm going to 01:08:15.970 --> 01:08:19.310 butcher his last name, Subkowicz, how do you pronounce that? 01:08:19.650 --> 01:08:20.170 Subkowicz. 01:08:20.310 --> 01:08:21.110 Is that how it's pronounced? 01:08:21.140 --> 01:08:21.670 I believe so. 01:08:21.690 --> 01:08:21.960 Okay. 01:08:21.960 --> 01:08:22.069 Subkowicz. 01:08:22.070 --> 01:08:23.279 Subkowicz, yeah. 01:08:23.470 --> 01:08:26.639 Um, he recently made, put a post up there on social media. 01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:31.500 He was working really hard to try and share what his journey and positivity. 01:08:31.510 --> 01:08:33.450 And he says, you know, it's just not for me. 01:08:33.480 --> 01:08:36.100 This is, uh, it's not the path for me. 01:08:36.350 --> 01:08:37.784 Um, I don't know. 01:08:38.715 --> 01:08:40.085 I can identify with some of that. 01:08:40.375 --> 01:08:45.285 I can definitely identify with the, uh, uh, the, the tool of social 01:08:45.285 --> 01:08:49.535 media being used to be able to bring other people up and to assist others. 01:08:49.685 --> 01:08:50.645 What are your thoughts on that one? 01:08:51.345 --> 01:08:53.375 Seb Lavoie: I feel the exact same way as Jason does. 01:08:53.975 --> 01:08:58.465 I didn't, I wasn't on social media until 2017 and at the 01:08:58.465 --> 01:09:00.485 time I was running my team. 01:09:00.485 --> 01:09:04.275 I was listening to Metallica in the back room, you know, creating ops plans, 01:09:04.275 --> 01:09:05.805 going from operation to operations. 01:09:05.805 --> 01:09:06.195 And I was. 01:09:07.685 --> 01:09:12.655 Singularly focused on my work and my guys and the things that we needed to be doing. 01:09:13.365 --> 01:09:14.925 And so I never worried about that. 01:09:14.955 --> 01:09:18.585 And some of the guys would make fun of me for that and, 01:09:18.635 --> 01:09:19.875 and, and it was all good funds. 01:09:19.875 --> 01:09:22.315 And I, I owned it as I do anything else in life. 01:09:23.235 --> 01:09:28.820 And, um, and eventually I saw it as a, There was a, there was a way there was a 01:09:28.820 --> 01:09:32.980 way for me, perhaps, to continue impacting the collective by taking that route, which 01:09:32.980 --> 01:09:37.000 was supposed to be a temporary state of affairs and quite, if I'm being honest, 01:09:37.010 --> 01:09:38.869 it still is a temporary state of affairs. 01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:42.849 I do not stay and remain stagnant. 01:09:43.170 --> 01:09:47.070 And so once I spent five, six, seven, eight, 10 years. 01:09:47.850 --> 01:09:50.440 Putting all kinds of content out there, trying to help the 01:09:50.440 --> 01:09:51.580 collective do all this stuff. 01:09:51.730 --> 01:09:55.170 My mission here is done and I can, I can make a correlation 01:09:55.170 --> 01:09:56.330 to my mental health walk. 01:09:56.689 --> 01:10:01.239 You know, we just hit 60, you know, certain things started 01:10:01.249 --> 01:10:03.179 happening that made me re evaluate. 01:10:03.260 --> 01:10:07.420 And I came to the conclusion and the realization that those 60 walks. 01:10:07.745 --> 01:10:13.005 That I've done out of good, out of the, out of the, you know, out of goodwill and 01:10:13.025 --> 01:10:17.645 all of the sacrifices that were associated with this are not without their cost. 01:10:17.795 --> 01:10:18.295 That's right. 01:10:18.385 --> 01:10:22.795 And so for me at 60 mental health walk, it was done. 01:10:23.035 --> 01:10:23.345 Travis Bader: Yeah. 01:10:23.475 --> 01:10:23.825 Seb Lavoie: Right. 01:10:23.864 --> 01:10:25.545 I, I now I'm passing the buck. 01:10:25.915 --> 01:10:27.775 I've, I've, I've given the torch. 01:10:27.805 --> 01:10:27.975 Yeah. 01:10:27.975 --> 01:10:29.345 The torch precisely. 01:10:29.545 --> 01:10:30.475 And I've, and I've. 01:10:30.810 --> 01:10:35.870 And I've engaged in a process wholeheartedly, but I have reached my, the 01:10:35.870 --> 01:10:38.210 end of my capacity to continue doing that. 01:10:38.540 --> 01:10:41.720 Now I'm going to morph and do something else, right? 01:10:41.740 --> 01:10:42.730 I'm going to do something else. 01:10:43.120 --> 01:10:47.164 And so I, you know, when I look at a person like Jason, I don't know. 01:10:48.255 --> 01:10:52.975 I, I have an incredible amount of respect for, by the way, for a variety 01:10:52.975 --> 01:10:56.485 of reason, but primarily he's got a great heart and, and just, I love 01:10:56.485 --> 01:10:58.255 his philosophical take on things. 01:10:58.315 --> 01:10:59.965 I love, I love our present. 01:10:59.974 --> 01:11:00.934 He is for everyone. 01:11:01.214 --> 01:11:02.894 I just love how he lives. 01:11:02.915 --> 01:11:06.405 Like I love everything about how he walks the walks and, and talks 01:11:06.405 --> 01:11:11.735 to talk, but also I know that this was counterintuitive to him. 01:11:12.705 --> 01:11:13.715 And I'm sure. 01:11:15.250 --> 01:11:21.170 With some of the, some of the inherent negative backlash that you get, what 01:11:21.170 --> 01:11:25.310 it does is it brings, it brings, he's, he's in a peaceful environment 01:11:25.320 --> 01:11:26.890 doing peaceful and meaningful things. 01:11:26.890 --> 01:11:31.640 And he brings a certain layer of negativity. 01:11:31.680 --> 01:11:31.860 Yep. 01:11:31.869 --> 01:11:32.149 Right. 01:11:32.570 --> 01:11:32.910 And. 01:11:33.755 --> 01:11:34.865 You don't need it. 01:11:35.195 --> 01:11:36.805 You, you absolutely don't need it. 01:11:36.815 --> 01:11:38.735 You don't need to be reading all the comments. 01:11:38.735 --> 01:11:41.205 You don't need to be out having arguments. 01:11:41.205 --> 01:11:45.725 You don't need, you know, can, can you read says his best, you know, it's like, 01:11:45.725 --> 01:11:49.495 I'm at the age now that if you tell me that the sky is pink, I'll say yes. 01:11:49.614 --> 01:11:50.404 Of course it is. 01:11:51.245 --> 01:11:54.615 Like, you know, he's, he's done with trying to convince people against 01:11:54.615 --> 01:11:57.835 their will and people convince against their will or to some opinions still. 01:11:58.155 --> 01:11:58.535 Right. 01:11:58.975 --> 01:12:06.610 And so for me, I actually love that Jason did that because it poked me, it poked me. 01:12:06.610 --> 01:12:07.550 It said, what about you? 01:12:07.730 --> 01:12:10.369 I kind of figured it with, where are you at with that? 01:12:10.430 --> 01:12:10.790 Right. 01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:13.230 And that's why I told Jason, I said, as soon as, and I've 01:12:13.240 --> 01:12:14.550 been very open with this. 01:12:14.780 --> 01:12:19.980 When I'm in a, when I'm in a place and a, and a, at a time in my life where I 01:12:20.020 --> 01:12:24.930 feel Like I've provided enough and that I've given enough of myself and sacrifice 01:12:24.930 --> 01:12:28.780 enough of myself and those around me, because let's call a spade a spade, 01:12:28.780 --> 01:12:32.900 like taking the time to have all these conversations, doing all those things is 01:12:33.420 --> 01:12:37.320 taken away from the time that you could be spending with your family and friends. 01:12:37.320 --> 01:12:41.730 And so there is a cost to this and it's, it's a collective sacrifice. 01:12:41.730 --> 01:12:43.360 It's not just my sacrifice. 01:12:44.360 --> 01:12:49.745 And so when I look at this, it's not just It, it tells me when is your turn, 01:12:50.355 --> 01:12:52.325 you know, when are you re evaluating. 01:12:52.940 --> 01:12:56.290 When you need to reprioritize and, and go in a different direction. 01:12:56.370 --> 01:12:57.350 Did you ask yourself that question? 01:12:57.450 --> 01:12:58.080 Oh, a hundred percent. 01:12:58.080 --> 01:12:58.530 Immediately. 01:12:58.570 --> 01:12:58.930 And? 01:12:58.950 --> 01:12:59.530 Immediately. 01:12:59.950 --> 01:13:03.800 Well, so for me, it's, it's, it depends is the answer. 01:13:03.840 --> 01:13:05.750 It depends where everything else goes, right? 01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:07.400 Cause I have all kinds of plans. 01:13:07.749 --> 01:13:11.779 And so when some of those plans starts going, some of those will require a 01:13:11.779 --> 01:13:13.939 certain level of social media engagement. 01:13:14.379 --> 01:13:17.290 It's, it's the way it's the nature of the beast right now. 01:13:17.310 --> 01:13:17.640 Right. 01:13:18.330 --> 01:13:22.280 But as far as having, you know, a Uh, uh, an open public page with 01:13:22.280 --> 01:13:26.300 like regular updates and, and, and pictures that are pretty polished. 01:13:26.300 --> 01:13:31.010 And, you know, that's the piece that I don't, I don't, 01:13:31.200 --> 01:13:32.990 that's not sustainable for me. 01:13:33.059 --> 01:13:36.809 I, I, I, I'm not interested in doing that forever. 01:13:37.560 --> 01:13:39.924 And so it's going to be a matter of negotiating and. 01:13:40.395 --> 01:13:43.935 Or, or evaluating where I'm at in space and time. 01:13:44.015 --> 01:13:50.055 How do I feel about my contribution and where it's going and the reality of my 01:13:50.095 --> 01:13:54.005 current life and, and, and doing the things that are meaningful for me, which, 01:13:54.085 --> 01:13:57.854 you know, consist of generally being in the woods, walking around, hiking. 01:13:57.855 --> 01:13:59.555 I like that. 01:13:59.745 --> 01:14:00.045 Yeah. 01:14:00.455 --> 01:14:01.685 What does your next step look like? 01:14:05.350 --> 01:14:06.700 Well, so 01:14:09.040 --> 01:14:15.460 I'm essentially moving from the city to a 14 acre property in 01:14:17.650 --> 01:14:23.773 a rural setting that has no, skip the dishes, no . I like it lot. 01:14:23.778 --> 01:14:24.610 I know, I do too. 01:14:24.910 --> 01:14:27.880 And so one of the things I, I really want to pick up that 01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:29.290 I've never done is hunting. 01:14:29.740 --> 01:14:30.275 Travis Bader: Ah, yeah. 01:14:30.370 --> 01:14:30.580 Seb Lavoie: Yeah. 01:14:30.580 --> 01:14:33.790 So of course that goes without saying and, and it's almost shameful that 01:14:33.790 --> 01:14:36.670 I've been on this podcast three or four times, and I'm not even a hunter. 01:14:37.065 --> 01:14:39.065 Well, I've never hunted in Alberta, but I do have my 01:14:39.065 --> 01:14:43.375 Travis Bader: wild card, which is a requisite for hunting in Alberta. 01:14:44.195 --> 01:14:47.225 And I do know people in Alberta who are very good hunters. 01:14:47.235 --> 01:14:47.985 So I think 01:14:47.985 --> 01:14:49.674 Seb Lavoie: we're, I think we can figure something out. 01:14:50.195 --> 01:14:50.685 Awesome. 01:14:50.905 --> 01:14:53.384 So, yeah, I'm, I'm being told I need to do a couple of courses and I'm 01:14:53.384 --> 01:14:56.545 in, I'm in, I'm in to get all that done, but I want to do some of that, 01:14:56.575 --> 01:15:00.985 but what I want to do is really live the life that I currently live, but I 01:15:00.995 --> 01:15:02.955 have to go to various places to do it. 01:15:03.595 --> 01:15:05.115 And so I'll give you an example of this. 01:15:06.350 --> 01:15:10.610 Um, you know, uh, my days of working 50, 60 hours a week are done. 01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:15.569 It's never happening again, unless I'm working temporarily for, you 01:15:15.570 --> 01:15:17.850 know, for a short time to try to get something accomplished. 01:15:17.850 --> 01:15:19.040 There's no problem doing that. 01:15:19.099 --> 01:15:22.979 But my days of, of sacrificing health, wellness, and everything on account 01:15:22.980 --> 01:15:25.259 of making a buck are done, done. 01:15:25.739 --> 01:15:30.040 And so what I want to do is, so what I do now is, you know, I go to the gym, 01:15:30.150 --> 01:15:33.120 I get my training in, I do a little bit of work in front of my computer, 01:15:33.120 --> 01:15:34.470 a little bit later, I'll go on a run. 01:15:34.590 --> 01:15:38.240 Well, I'll go on a hike, I'll take my dog, Achilles out, I'll do all of those 01:15:38.240 --> 01:15:42.090 things, but I'll try to have multiple modalities in a day wellness modalities 01:15:42.090 --> 01:15:46.230 that is right in a various pillars, all interconnected doing all this stuff. 01:15:46.650 --> 01:15:51.340 So what I want to do is I want to go out there, I want to build a gym. 01:15:51.740 --> 01:15:54.820 Like, so a functional gym, I want to build a mat space cause I want 01:15:54.820 --> 01:15:57.410 to have some people coming in so I can continue doing jujitsu. 01:15:57.410 --> 01:16:00.230 And I've already had MMA fighters contact me, say, Hey, we're going to 01:16:00.230 --> 01:16:01.570 come train with you, all this stuff. 01:16:01.860 --> 01:16:06.500 So I'm in for that, but also I want to have sauna, hot tub, cold plunge, 01:16:07.099 --> 01:16:11.070 you know, and I'm 20 minutes from Waterton Lake or Waterton Park. 01:16:11.070 --> 01:16:14.510 So the, the, the, the provincial park, one of the most beautiful 01:16:14.510 --> 01:16:18.969 provincial park in Alberta, um, there's police lake next to me. 01:16:19.195 --> 01:16:23.365 Which you can go in for either swimming or fishing or doing all of those things. 01:16:23.375 --> 01:16:24.515 So I want to do some of those things. 01:16:24.515 --> 01:16:28.745 So right now I'm in the wellness phase of my life, and it's probably 01:16:28.745 --> 01:16:32.964 been since I would say five years ago that I've put in an incredible 01:16:32.964 --> 01:16:37.274 amount of emphasis on prioritizing that above almost anything else. 01:16:38.175 --> 01:16:39.614 I also want to. 01:16:39.915 --> 01:16:42.835 Help the community as cheesy as this sounds, because that's a 01:16:42.835 --> 01:16:46.175 very tight knit community over in Cardston where I'm going. 01:16:47.065 --> 01:16:50.364 And I want to be there and I want to be, I want to engage in that. 01:16:50.364 --> 01:16:51.495 I want to engage in this. 01:16:51.495 --> 01:16:55.145 Somebody need, you know, needing us real time wheels to the pavement. 01:16:55.154 --> 01:16:58.944 We're in, I want to re spool We Defy Canada. 01:16:59.480 --> 01:17:01.510 We Defy Canada has not gone anywhere. 01:17:01.570 --> 01:17:02.770 I don't quit on things. 01:17:02.820 --> 01:17:07.200 I just set them aside because I need to reprioritize with Sean 01:17:07.200 --> 01:17:08.370 and I are finishing the book. 01:17:08.420 --> 01:17:11.169 We're probably six months, six, seven months away from that. 01:17:11.200 --> 01:17:11.920 Amazing. 01:17:12.010 --> 01:17:13.919 Um, I want to start a retreat. 01:17:13.929 --> 01:17:17.419 I would like to have a, uh, a wellness retreat. 01:17:17.580 --> 01:17:20.500 Aim that people wanting to get into first response world, 01:17:20.960 --> 01:17:22.360 the corporate world as well. 01:17:22.390 --> 01:17:27.700 I would love to do a decompression retreat for people that have left high stake jobs. 01:17:27.710 --> 01:17:34.470 And that can be in any sort of context for them to learn how to change the way 01:17:34.470 --> 01:17:38.990 they do life, because on, on account of, you know, how they lived life for so long, 01:17:39.440 --> 01:17:43.700 and maybe not having had the exposure that I've was blessed to have and, and, 01:17:43.700 --> 01:17:46.479 and making, and I want to do it not in a. 01:17:47.395 --> 01:17:52.005 Scripted way where I teach them things that we know academically, I want them 01:17:52.005 --> 01:17:58.475 to experience things, you know, so, so go and do equine therapy by riding horses 01:17:58.475 --> 01:18:02.744 in the mountains, go do a little bit of rock climbing so that even if you're 01:18:02.745 --> 01:18:07.354 scared, so that you can work through the kinks of pushing yourself outside your 01:18:07.354 --> 01:18:09.334 comfort zone and gain some valuable. 01:18:09.745 --> 01:18:10.345 Insight. 01:18:10.405 --> 01:18:10.495 Mm-Hmm. 01:18:10.735 --> 01:18:12.775 about yourself, your life, and how you do things. 01:18:13.015 --> 01:18:15.625 I want them to have some self-defense mechanisms. 01:18:15.625 --> 01:18:18.655 So there's gonna be some, you know, jiujitsu, some standup, 01:18:18.655 --> 01:18:22.015 some whatever is needed, but also some situational awareness. 01:18:22.015 --> 01:18:25.345 I wanna do some resilience classes and have some academic piece coming 01:18:25.345 --> 01:18:29.365 in there and bring some people that truly exemplify all those values. 01:18:29.370 --> 01:18:29.510 Mm-Hmm. 01:18:29.755 --> 01:18:34.075 and people that walk the walk to come in and guest and instruct on those. 01:18:34.075 --> 01:18:37.105 And, you know, I hate to say it, but you're, you're coming 01:18:37.105 --> 01:18:38.215 at some point my friend. 01:18:39.295 --> 01:18:41.075 Hey, I'd be honored to be there. 01:18:41.085 --> 01:18:41.365 Travis Bader: I'd be 01:18:41.365 --> 01:18:41.765 Seb Lavoie: honored to 01:18:41.765 --> 01:18:42.235 Travis Bader: be there. 01:18:42.285 --> 01:18:45.905 Seb Lavoie: But those are, those are projects that I have at the moment. 01:18:46.305 --> 01:18:47.555 And, uh, you know, 01:18:49.930 --> 01:18:55.020 I also made a way through a thesis I need to finish as well, which I always seem 01:18:55.020 --> 01:18:57.839 to find, you know, further down the line. 01:18:58.570 --> 01:19:00.809 Travis Bader: Yeah, that's, uh, well, that's an interesting one too. 01:19:00.850 --> 01:19:04.269 Did, did you, uh, did you go with the thesis that, uh, that we were 01:19:04.270 --> 01:19:05.830 talking about before the, the 01:19:05.990 --> 01:19:07.479 Seb Lavoie: possibly highly controversial one? 01:19:07.900 --> 01:19:08.980 No, actually I didn't. 01:19:08.980 --> 01:19:09.200 Okay. 01:19:09.210 --> 01:19:11.810 And the reason why I didn't is because it would have been very 01:19:11.820 --> 01:19:15.690 difficult to find empirical, um, you know, information about that. 01:19:15.690 --> 01:19:18.289 And also it would have had, it would have encountered all kinds of resistance. 01:19:18.289 --> 01:19:20.719 And that I'm at the point now where I need to finish my degree. 01:19:20.720 --> 01:19:21.260 That's all. 01:19:21.420 --> 01:19:21.760 Travis Bader: Yeah. 01:19:21.760 --> 01:19:22.070 You know? 01:19:22.390 --> 01:19:24.689 Seb Lavoie: And so, and one of the things that I'm very passionate 01:19:24.689 --> 01:19:26.309 about has been Haiti, right? 01:19:26.619 --> 01:19:31.099 And so Haiti, um, there's, there's, there's, there's 01:19:31.099 --> 01:19:32.429 a complex landscape there. 01:19:32.429 --> 01:19:36.250 And so, and it ties right into, you know, The, the nature of my, 01:19:36.320 --> 01:19:41.060 of my, um, T of my, um, degree, which is international security. 01:19:41.100 --> 01:19:41.400 Right. 01:19:41.830 --> 01:19:47.189 And so I re re sort of refocused on Haiti and it's great because it's recent. 01:19:47.200 --> 01:19:48.559 There's a lot of recency. 01:19:48.560 --> 01:19:52.610 There's a lot of recent events and there's also a long tracking history with Haiti. 01:19:52.819 --> 01:19:56.480 And so we're able to, you're able to, you have enough of that empirical data, 01:19:56.510 --> 01:19:59.480 but you also have enough of the anecdotal stuff and you have enough of everything 01:19:59.480 --> 01:20:04.510 else that you need to build a thesis that's meaningful, that fills a research. 01:20:05.880 --> 01:20:07.900 Travis Bader: Well, I'm, I'm looking forward to reading that one. 01:20:08.250 --> 01:20:13.980 You know, to change tracks here a little bit, um, just, and I 01:20:13.980 --> 01:20:16.080 know I'm kind of throwing it out here from, from left field. 01:20:16.150 --> 01:20:19.290 What was the best joke you ever got on the, uh, when you put the call out for 01:20:19.290 --> 01:20:22.409 the, uh, uh, after the amputation there? 01:20:22.530 --> 01:20:24.259 Seb Lavoie: Well, we already spoke about it. 01:20:24.260 --> 01:20:25.320 It has to be the shark. 01:20:25.390 --> 01:20:26.100 It was the shark one? 01:20:26.100 --> 01:20:28.440 So, but there's a, but there's a, there's a continue, there's 01:20:28.450 --> 01:20:29.830 a continuation to the story. 01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:34.815 So basically what happens is, is, is a friend of mine, uh, Makes a news clip 01:20:34.875 --> 01:20:40.145 and the news clip is, is a man saves his girlfriend by fighting a great 01:20:40.155 --> 01:20:41.715 white and loses a leg in the process. 01:20:42.255 --> 01:20:45.214 And of course it's me that's on the cover and there's a great white, you 01:20:45.215 --> 01:20:49.274 know, they have the great white hanging from a, you know, as if somebody fished 01:20:49.274 --> 01:20:50.984 it out of the water after or anything. 01:20:51.875 --> 01:20:57.395 What happened was, I guess one of my fiance's, Alex's friend. 01:20:57.720 --> 01:21:02.200 Or colleague was reading this and she thought this was the most 01:21:02.230 --> 01:21:03.860 heroic thing she's ever heard. 01:21:04.490 --> 01:21:08.490 And so what she started doing is telling all of her family and everybody about 01:21:08.490 --> 01:21:12.729 this incredible dude that Alex is with that fought a great white to save her. 01:21:12.730 --> 01:21:17.699 And you know, and everybody's in awe and we get to this, this event, 01:21:17.819 --> 01:21:20.920 Alex was working event and this person was there working with her. 01:21:22.160 --> 01:21:25.540 And when we started talking, she was all confused because she didn't realize 01:21:25.720 --> 01:21:27.700 that this whole thing was a joke, right? 01:21:27.700 --> 01:21:30.520 Like I didn't actually fight a great white and I'm not a hero. 01:21:33.660 --> 01:21:33.910 Travis Bader: Here. 01:21:33.910 --> 01:21:35.910 I thought when we left the hospital, you'd be wearing like 01:21:35.910 --> 01:21:37.289 an IHOP shirt or something. 01:21:37.910 --> 01:21:38.610 Seb Lavoie: Oh, man. 01:21:39.260 --> 01:21:43.810 Oh, it was, it was beautiful to see the disappointment in her eyes when 01:21:43.810 --> 01:21:46.630 she realized I actually wasn't a hero and I didn't fight a great white. 01:21:46.920 --> 01:21:47.695 Travis Bader: That's funny. 01:21:47.695 --> 01:21:48.339 That's 01:21:48.340 --> 01:21:48.790 Seb Lavoie: funny. 01:21:48.790 --> 01:21:49.094 Travis Bader: Yeah. 01:21:51.065 --> 01:21:53.985 What about, uh, there's the other thing that we kind of talked about a little 01:21:53.985 --> 01:21:57.295 bit at the beginning of this podcast, which was, uh, in recent events, 01:21:57.295 --> 01:22:01.915 depending on when this guy comes out, uh, the Trump assassination attempt. 01:22:02.345 --> 01:22:05.684 Uh, you've got a background in international security, you've got a 01:22:05.685 --> 01:22:11.314 background in leading teams for executive protection and, you know, everyone and 01:22:11.314 --> 01:22:15.944 their dog seems to have an opinion and be an armchair security expert on this. 01:22:16.225 --> 01:22:17.165 You've actually got. 01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:21.050 Some background and can speak with some authority on this. 01:22:21.140 --> 01:22:25.000 Uh, what were your thoughts on, uh, the assassination attempt? 01:22:26.230 --> 01:22:27.480 Seb Lavoie: Well, I have a lot of thoughts. 01:22:27.490 --> 01:22:33.130 It, it depends which segment we're looking at and we're evaluating, right? 01:22:33.590 --> 01:22:39.830 So one of the things, one of the things that, um, That I will prioritize when 01:22:39.830 --> 01:22:43.810 I, when it comes to form, formulating an opinion or forming an opinion 01:22:43.810 --> 01:22:47.549 in relation to something is there's generally a lot more than meets the eye. 01:22:47.590 --> 01:22:51.950 So understanding that there are limitations to what you are watching 01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:56.690 and those limitations are not to be understated because you are going to miss 01:22:57.090 --> 01:23:03.330 critical Pieces of information that were either not known to the person at the time 01:23:03.340 --> 01:23:08.149 that made a certain decision or, or, or, or that you, or that makes it look like 01:23:08.150 --> 01:23:12.099 somehow all that information was available to everybody because you're getting 01:23:12.100 --> 01:23:13.690 a bird's eye view of the situation. 01:23:13.690 --> 01:23:13.950 Sure. 01:23:13.990 --> 01:23:15.780 So that's very dangerous to do that. 01:23:15.789 --> 01:23:17.909 And I try not to do that as best I can. 01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:20.029 Certainly. 01:23:20.125 --> 01:23:22.455 There, there are a lot of questions, right? 01:23:22.465 --> 01:23:27.105 There's a lot of questions like we're talking about 130 yards away from, from 01:23:27.105 --> 01:23:33.385 the presidential stand where he was and with a clear shot, like how was that 01:23:33.385 --> 01:23:36.265 roof left unattended is very basic. 01:23:36.475 --> 01:23:39.930 Now, if that roof was 500 yards away, Okay. 01:23:40.030 --> 01:23:41.430 I can see that happening, right? 01:23:41.450 --> 01:23:44.330 You, you, you're going to have to stop expanding your perimeter at some 01:23:44.330 --> 01:23:46.300 point because manpower is a reality. 01:23:46.340 --> 01:23:49.430 Like you're going to, you're going to need to be able to, to, to staff those 01:23:49.450 --> 01:23:52.429 positions and make sure that you can maintain those positions and still have 01:23:52.429 --> 01:23:54.050 your core group where they need to be. 01:23:54.850 --> 01:23:56.609 Now, when you look at. 01:23:56.770 --> 01:24:00.050 Some of the reactions, uh, of the, of the secret service. 01:24:00.050 --> 01:24:03.270 And I've worked with secret service in the, in the context of close protection 01:24:03.270 --> 01:24:06.479 before I've worked primarily with cat and counterattack team, which is 01:24:06.480 --> 01:24:10.250 their sort of the SWAT team that's attached to the close protection team. 01:24:11.199 --> 01:24:13.709 And the cat has a, a bit of a different. 01:24:14.195 --> 01:24:17.155 Uh, sort of tasks set or mission set. 01:24:17.595 --> 01:24:20.565 But when you look at the executive, the close protection team themselves, 01:24:21.115 --> 01:24:22.515 there's a lot of questions there. 01:24:22.565 --> 01:24:29.465 There's a lot of questions, you know, if you are to use your body to body bunker, 01:24:29.465 --> 01:24:35.294 so to speak, uh, a, a, a very, very large individual who's six, three and. 01:24:35.355 --> 01:24:36.615 Quite imposing. 01:24:36.865 --> 01:24:38.755 It's going to be very difficult to do that. 01:24:38.785 --> 01:24:41.735 If you have, if your detail is very small, right. 01:24:41.735 --> 01:24:44.975 And there, unfortunately there was a lot of that going on, which would, 01:24:45.385 --> 01:24:50.175 uh, exposed, you know, the upper torso, the head, and there was a, it's 01:24:50.175 --> 01:24:54.265 almost like there was an assumption that it was only one shooter, whereas 01:24:54.274 --> 01:24:57.435 that's another, another thing you would never do always one plus one. 01:24:57.435 --> 01:24:58.815 If there's one, there's going to be others. 01:24:58.835 --> 01:25:03.105 And I don't care how secure you think the site is, your site was 01:25:03.105 --> 01:25:05.535 just proven to be Insecure, right? 01:25:05.565 --> 01:25:05.795 Right. 01:25:05.795 --> 01:25:07.695 Cause somebody was there capable of doing this. 01:25:07.695 --> 01:25:10.905 So that means that any sort of levels of security you had on 01:25:10.905 --> 01:25:14.104 that site has now been completely negated as far as you're concerned. 01:25:14.104 --> 01:25:16.675 And you need to treat this as if there is an additional shooter. 01:25:16.684 --> 01:25:17.344 A hundred percent. 01:25:17.375 --> 01:25:22.555 So having him at waste, you know, folded in half, covered by his, 01:25:22.625 --> 01:25:26.369 uh, by his people ASAP is a. 01:25:27.140 --> 01:25:29.970 Is a, there's no negotiating with that. 01:25:30.360 --> 01:25:33.350 Like that needed to happen a lot faster than it did. 01:25:33.850 --> 01:25:35.960 There may be reasons why it didn't. 01:25:36.010 --> 01:25:38.659 And that's the reason why I say we have to be careful when 01:25:38.659 --> 01:25:40.360 we're armchair quarterbacking. 01:25:41.160 --> 01:25:44.400 There's, there is all kinds of questions that can be asked. 01:25:44.400 --> 01:25:46.679 And I know there's all kinds of conspiracy theories out 01:25:46.679 --> 01:25:47.810 there and all kinds of things. 01:25:48.130 --> 01:25:50.710 And sometimes conspiracy theories are not conspiracies. 01:25:51.050 --> 01:25:56.700 Sometimes they're real, you know, and so, and so, but the only way to know 01:25:56.700 --> 01:26:02.079 that is to have intricate knowledge of every, of the timeline of everything 01:26:02.080 --> 01:26:06.640 that occurs and, and be able to establish who knew what, when, and what are 01:26:06.640 --> 01:26:10.270 some of the things that happen now, some of the hands and feet skills. 01:26:10.690 --> 01:26:14.230 And some of the things that we have seen, there's, I have thoughts on that as well. 01:26:15.010 --> 01:26:18.450 So there is a lot of memes being put out there, one of the ladies 01:26:18.490 --> 01:26:21.420 having a real hard time reolstering her pistol, doing all this. 01:26:22.019 --> 01:26:29.139 And the propensity has been to jump on a gender bandwagon, right? 01:26:29.740 --> 01:26:32.690 One of the, one of the, one of the good friends I have, her name is 01:26:32.690 --> 01:26:37.480 Jen LaSalle, has spent an entire, almost over a decade, if not more 01:26:37.940 --> 01:26:39.370 assigned to our prime minister. 01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:41.530 And she is. 01:26:41.595 --> 01:26:46.935 Uh, a team leader or was a team leader in a absolutely incredible woman, like really 01:26:46.945 --> 01:26:50.895 fit, really capable, you know, shoot, move, communicate, do all of those things. 01:26:50.904 --> 01:26:53.945 She would, she would have made this girl look like, you know, 01:26:54.025 --> 01:26:55.264 a completely different human. 01:26:55.865 --> 01:27:00.835 And so, but now when we're, when we start attacking the gender piece, What, what 01:27:00.835 --> 01:27:04.285 does that say about women like Jen that are out there doing the right thing or 01:27:04.285 --> 01:27:05.765 training hard that are doing those things. 01:27:05.765 --> 01:27:06.845 So I do not like this. 01:27:06.865 --> 01:27:11.144 And we're also taking a sanitized view of this because she just 01:27:11.144 --> 01:27:14.865 had the Superbowl, right? 01:27:15.154 --> 01:27:16.354 Let's call a spade a spade here. 01:27:16.354 --> 01:27:19.625 If your job is executive protection on the level five dignitaries, 01:27:19.664 --> 01:27:22.205 such as the president of the United States, and somebody just 01:27:22.205 --> 01:27:24.475 shot him, that was your Superbowl. 01:27:24.535 --> 01:27:24.975 Travis Bader: Yes. 01:27:24.975 --> 01:27:25.195 Seb Lavoie: Okay. 01:27:25.445 --> 01:27:29.015 The stress response that you will have in relation to this is extremely 01:27:29.015 --> 01:27:31.115 hard to, to emulate in training. 01:27:31.445 --> 01:27:31.715 Travis Bader: Sure. 01:27:31.715 --> 01:27:32.255 Really hard through the 01:27:32.255 --> 01:27:32.555 Seb Lavoie: roof. 01:27:32.585 --> 01:27:39.615 So is it possible, I'm just being devil's advocate, that she struggled with 01:27:40.085 --> 01:27:42.455 arousal more than she did with the rest. 01:27:42.455 --> 01:27:45.395 And so, you know, we know as, as you get more and more aroused, the fine 01:27:45.395 --> 01:27:48.485 motor skills are going out the windows and, and things are being impacted. 01:27:48.635 --> 01:27:48.935 Travis Bader: Sure. 01:27:49.115 --> 01:27:49.475 Seb Lavoie: Now, 01:27:51.525 --> 01:27:55.275 when the, when the military special operation communities looks at this. 01:27:56.050 --> 01:27:59.060 They probably, you know, it's been quite evident that there was a lot of 01:27:59.060 --> 01:28:03.500 condemnation on these types of things, but also the, the soft military community 01:28:03.500 --> 01:28:08.630 needs to understand that their skillset that was acquired, wasn't really 01:28:08.630 --> 01:28:10.430 acquired until they got into battle. 01:28:11.500 --> 01:28:14.929 They acquired technical skills and tactical skills and operational 01:28:14.929 --> 01:28:19.449 skills, but really where the meat, where the wheels meet the pavement 01:28:19.489 --> 01:28:21.339 is where the true learning happens. 01:28:21.795 --> 01:28:24.325 Well, that's a very, very difficult scenario to achieve 01:28:24.325 --> 01:28:25.675 in the policing context. 01:28:25.815 --> 01:28:25.975 Yeah. 01:28:25.975 --> 01:28:29.245 Travis Bader: You're not putting people in true, true situations 01:28:29.245 --> 01:28:30.595 over and over again to get that, 01:28:30.915 --> 01:28:32.485 Seb Lavoie: that training and experience. 01:28:32.495 --> 01:28:33.965 A certain level of inoculation. 01:28:34.355 --> 01:28:38.044 And so, and there was a lot of criticism on this special, on the, on the 01:28:38.055 --> 01:28:42.264 secret service and, and on police in general, but I got some news for you. 01:28:42.265 --> 01:28:44.165 A lot of these secret service guys are former, 01:28:47.795 --> 01:28:50.745 Like, so it's not, it's not so black and white. 01:28:51.705 --> 01:28:53.165 There's also another thing here. 01:28:53.165 --> 01:28:57.815 The last time a presidential candidate or a president, uh, a president was, uh, was 01:28:57.925 --> 01:29:00.925 attacked in, in such a way was in 1981. 01:29:01.124 --> 01:29:01.784 Travis Bader: That's what Reagan. 01:29:02.574 --> 01:29:02.904 Seb Lavoie: Correct. 01:29:03.594 --> 01:29:04.475 In 81. 01:29:04.505 --> 01:29:10.875 So anything that hasn't happened since 1981 is contributing to a certain 01:29:10.875 --> 01:29:11.994 level of political instability. 01:29:12.585 --> 01:29:19.475 Complacency, and I don't care, I don't care how you try to, you know, spin it 01:29:19.515 --> 01:29:22.535 or whatever it will inherently happen. 01:29:22.945 --> 01:29:23.674 It will happen. 01:29:23.674 --> 01:29:27.155 And if there is a problem, like say your current administration isn't 01:29:27.155 --> 01:29:32.434 supporting necessarily the, the, the, the fiscal burden that's associated 01:29:32.434 --> 01:29:34.194 with your work or those types of things. 01:29:34.654 --> 01:29:40.120 Now, what you, what you start doing, As you need to, to impose risk mitigating 01:29:40.120 --> 01:29:43.970 strategies and risk mitigating is not risk eliminating, right? 01:29:44.270 --> 01:29:49.339 It's only, what can we do based upon what we have available to us in this time, 01:29:49.339 --> 01:29:54.279 at this point, and unfortunately, this thing that we know could be something. 01:29:54.625 --> 01:29:58.635 Now needs to be left alone because we don't have anybody to do it. 01:29:59.715 --> 01:30:02.985 And so the rest of it is quite dangerous. 01:30:02.995 --> 01:30:06.415 Like when people say some cop was approach and provided the information 01:30:06.415 --> 01:30:09.444 or a cop showed up on the, on the roof and the guy pointed his 01:30:09.455 --> 01:30:11.175 rifle at him and he, and he left. 01:30:11.575 --> 01:30:16.095 Did he leave or did he, He got up on the rooftop and the rifle was pointing 01:30:16.095 --> 01:30:17.905 at him and he ducked down, right? 01:30:18.145 --> 01:30:21.625 Like, what do you, what do you expect him to do in that case? 01:30:21.625 --> 01:30:26.065 And I know with the, the, the propensity as well, okay. 01:30:26.355 --> 01:30:27.564 Action versus reaction. 01:30:27.564 --> 01:30:30.535 My friend, you show up and the guys that drop on you and he already 01:30:30.535 --> 01:30:31.645 knows what he's about to do. 01:30:31.734 --> 01:30:34.895 You're going to fall flat on your face every single time it happens. 01:30:34.925 --> 01:30:35.195 Yeah. 01:30:35.335 --> 01:30:37.135 We've seen it over, over in the scenarios. 01:30:37.135 --> 01:30:39.875 I can put you in this room right here, put a gun in front of you. 01:30:40.365 --> 01:30:43.995 And I can say to you, I will put a gun in front of me. 01:30:44.035 --> 01:30:45.085 Let's, let's change this. 01:30:45.085 --> 01:30:48.315 I'll put a gun in front of me here and I will sit here with my hands on the 01:30:48.315 --> 01:30:52.065 table and I will have a, an operator or somebody coming in or a cop coming 01:30:52.065 --> 01:30:54.115 in with their gun pointed at my chest. 01:30:54.224 --> 01:30:56.974 And I will retrieve that gun and shoot them almost every single 01:30:56.974 --> 01:30:58.245 time before they can react. 01:30:58.685 --> 01:31:00.265 Action versus reactions. 01:31:00.304 --> 01:31:03.395 You know, humans have to observe, they have to orient, they have to decide, and 01:31:03.395 --> 01:31:05.555 they have to act all that takes time. 01:31:05.745 --> 01:31:08.965 The person that's already knowing what they're about to do as 01:31:08.965 --> 01:31:10.515 only one thing to do action. 01:31:10.895 --> 01:31:12.825 That's, that's all that needs to happen. 01:31:12.825 --> 01:31:18.295 And so there it's much faster, all this to say that there is a lot of factors 01:31:18.295 --> 01:31:21.844 here and it's important that we look at the totality of the circumstances 01:31:21.845 --> 01:31:26.975 when it comes to sort of mudslinging and like the whole, but what's also 01:31:26.975 --> 01:31:32.045 important is to be blatantly honest, you know, from the secret service side, like 01:31:32.735 --> 01:31:34.545 feelings, a hundred percent there are. 01:31:34.885 --> 01:31:36.945 And so how do we address this? 01:31:37.135 --> 01:31:42.245 And I mean, had it not been for Trump, Moving his head in a very particular way 01:31:42.245 --> 01:31:46.155 at a very particular time, call it divine intervention, call it whatever you want. 01:31:46.155 --> 01:31:46.605 Sure. 01:31:47.085 --> 01:31:51.715 Um, we would, we would have, we would be looking at the prospect of very different, 01:31:51.775 --> 01:31:53.254 a very different landscape right now. 01:31:53.255 --> 01:31:55.915 In fact, I don't know how bad this could have been. 01:31:56.310 --> 01:31:59.480 Travis Bader: Oh, it would be really bad, regardless of what your opinion 01:31:59.540 --> 01:32:04.489 is of, of Trump, one side or the other, it's as bad for democracy in general. 01:32:04.619 --> 01:32:07.599 Seb Lavoie: As far as divisiveness, I don't think, I don't think it would 01:32:07.600 --> 01:32:09.820 have created a bigger, a bigger gap. 01:32:10.190 --> 01:32:15.760 And I think that to a certain extent, this, this unfortunate event, um, 01:32:17.350 --> 01:32:20.710 has brought people together from both parties and not everybody. 01:32:21.345 --> 01:32:26.385 But it has, it, it seems to have cemented that we're here for a 01:32:26.385 --> 01:32:29.565 common goal and we've been fighting each other this entire time. 01:32:29.854 --> 01:32:34.135 And you, you, you can see sort of a, uh, a bit of a shift in the landscape. 01:32:34.575 --> 01:32:37.234 Now, will that last people have short memories, as we know? 01:32:37.265 --> 01:32:37.714 Very short. 01:32:37.724 --> 01:32:37.814 Yes. 01:32:38.945 --> 01:32:42.245 Travis Bader: But the other thing they're doing and I'm liking is putting 01:32:42.245 --> 01:32:45.275 some responsibility on the media for how they're reporting and how 01:32:45.275 --> 01:32:48.625 people are inciting violence against other people, just through how they 01:32:48.625 --> 01:32:50.235 broadcast through the text through. 01:32:51.260 --> 01:32:56.640 But through whatever, and there is a social responsibility, like that 01:32:56.820 --> 01:33:02.979 teacher at UBC here, who's now under investigation, who is saying, uh, and I'm 01:33:02.979 --> 01:33:07.589 paraphrasing, uh, too bad, too bad Trump didn't get shot and too bad it could have 01:33:07.590 --> 01:33:12.925 been so much better if he was, um, there is a social responsibility on people 01:33:12.925 --> 01:33:19.063 who have a voice and who have influence over others to be not inciting that 01:33:19.063 --> 01:33:19.472 Seb Lavoie: sort 01:33:19.472 --> 01:33:20.290 Travis Bader: of divisiveness. 01:33:20.290 --> 01:33:20.699 Seb Lavoie: Sir. 01:33:21.310 --> 01:33:25.080 I couldn't agree more just before I launch into this, there's something I've, I kind 01:33:25.080 --> 01:33:26.550 of forgot that I want to add in there. 01:33:26.550 --> 01:33:28.510 You know, when I was talking about the lady, it was having a hard 01:33:28.510 --> 01:33:29.910 time reostering and all this stuff. 01:33:30.440 --> 01:33:34.249 I just want to be crystal clear, right there. 01:33:34.390 --> 01:33:35.929 We know that most, most. 01:33:36.280 --> 01:33:39.960 Law enforcement agencies are highly restricted when it comes to training. 01:33:40.420 --> 01:33:44.639 And when you look at a close protection agency that follows the presidential 01:33:44.639 --> 01:33:48.190 candidates and a variety of other people, past presidents and whatnot, 01:33:48.570 --> 01:33:54.900 I assume that there is, there probably is a lack of training there, right? 01:33:55.249 --> 01:33:58.610 And so some of the physiological responses to stress are going to be 01:33:58.610 --> 01:34:01.770 exacerbated if the training isn't where the training needs to be. 01:34:02.240 --> 01:34:05.700 So we can't just look at this and be like, okay, well, this was all nerves. 01:34:06.265 --> 01:34:11.705 Because it possibly wasn't right nerve where a factor, there's no question 01:34:11.825 --> 01:34:14.875 understanding how the gravity of the situation as an agent that's working 01:34:14.875 --> 01:34:19.595 this, but also understanding that that's precisely where you're there for you. 01:34:19.595 --> 01:34:21.845 And that needs to be at the forefront of. 01:34:22.045 --> 01:34:26.245 Everything you do, every step you take, every punch you throw or don't throw, 01:34:26.505 --> 01:34:31.734 every gym session, every range session, every bullet you fire, all of those 01:34:31.734 --> 01:34:36.445 things have to have that in the back of your mind, my ability to perform 01:34:36.445 --> 01:34:39.415 my job to the best of my ability. 01:34:40.045 --> 01:34:43.905 Is other people's lifeline, like it, you know, 01:34:44.045 --> 01:34:45.325 Travis Bader: there's no way around that. 01:34:45.395 --> 01:34:49.614 I think one of two things would likely happen from that for this individual. 01:34:49.614 --> 01:34:52.714 Who's this, the height of all these different memes, like, did you see the 01:34:52.715 --> 01:34:58.174 David Attenborough AI voice meme where, uh, David Attenborough, the documentary 01:34:58.205 --> 01:35:02.695 filmmaker for, um, Wildlife and it's this little voice over in the background 01:35:02.765 --> 01:35:07.795 of, oh, here we see the internatural environment and here's where she hones 01:35:07.825 --> 01:35:11.325 in on her professional acting skills of pretending she's drawing the pistol again 01:35:11.325 --> 01:35:12.695 and doing a deep scan of the environment. 01:35:12.944 --> 01:35:15.715 Like it's really funny, not for her. 01:35:15.774 --> 01:35:18.395 So I would imagine that one of two things are going to happen. 01:35:18.395 --> 01:35:21.534 One, she's going to say, maybe this isn't for me or two, she's going 01:35:21.534 --> 01:35:24.937 to say, all right, let's, let's get back to some training and let's, 01:35:24.937 --> 01:35:26.899 uh, let's pick this up a bit. 01:35:26.899 --> 01:35:27.179 MF. 01:35:27.650 --> 01:35:30.440 And how a person deals with that sort of thing is going to be, uh, 01:35:31.190 --> 01:35:34.970 uh, very important, but you said there's another point to all of 01:35:34.970 --> 01:35:36.110 this that you were jumping into. 01:35:37.680 --> 01:35:40.530 Seb Lavoie: Um, that was the, sorry, the original question you were asking 01:35:40.530 --> 01:35:42.020 here, which now escapes my mind. 01:35:42.020 --> 01:35:43.170 So what was it again? 01:35:43.240 --> 01:35:43.660 I don't know. 01:35:43.660 --> 01:35:44.160 I forget you. 01:35:45.440 --> 01:35:46.630 I was hoping you could kind of help me 01:35:47.030 --> 01:35:47.060 Travis Bader: there. 01:35:47.060 --> 01:35:47.530 Seb Lavoie: No, 01:35:48.030 --> 01:35:49.699 Travis Bader: um, I can't remember what it was now. 01:35:49.930 --> 01:35:51.590 Well, I'll tell you this much. 01:35:51.690 --> 01:35:55.530 Um, I'm, I'm pretty stoked to see where you're, Moving with your 01:35:55.530 --> 01:35:56.860 life and where things are going. 01:35:56.870 --> 01:36:00.460 I love the fact that you're constantly evaluating and taking a look at, 01:36:00.480 --> 01:36:04.650 am I bringing the most impact for myself and for those around me? 01:36:05.160 --> 01:36:08.760 Uh, I like the approach that you've taken with the, um, the mental health walks. 01:36:08.799 --> 01:36:12.669 You've done a lot of good with those and you've passed the torch 01:36:12.689 --> 01:36:15.010 and hopefully they continue. 01:36:15.770 --> 01:36:19.540 Um, I'm stoked to see what things are going to look like for you in Alberta. 01:36:19.970 --> 01:36:23.470 That's, uh, that's, that's going to be the next big transition here. 01:36:23.470 --> 01:36:28.010 And I, you know, when we're off air here, I've got a bunch of ideas for you. 01:36:28.050 --> 01:36:32.819 So I'm going to be throwing them your way just to see if, uh, if anyone are 01:36:32.820 --> 01:36:37.269 up your alley or if they hit, is there, is there anything that we haven't 01:36:37.269 --> 01:36:39.369 talked about that we should talk about? 01:36:41.765 --> 01:36:47.025 Seb Lavoie: We should talk about the fact that I been wanting an 01:36:47.055 --> 01:36:52.335 alibi dog for over a decade again. 01:36:52.385 --> 01:36:52.565 Yeah. 01:36:52.785 --> 01:36:54.255 But it's something that you just can't. 01:36:54.264 --> 01:36:57.305 So they're, they're also referred to as the central Asian shepherd. 01:36:57.575 --> 01:36:58.015 Okay. 01:36:58.675 --> 01:37:05.235 And, you know, I have Achilles, my Malinois, of course, I, I'm, I'm just 01:37:05.245 --> 01:37:08.424 all into the simple breeds, you know, the breeds that are super easy to train. 01:37:08.434 --> 01:37:11.155 Oh yeah, so easy, so easy to work with. 01:37:11.175 --> 01:37:15.545 And so, uh, so one of the things, one of the things that I, that I did is 01:37:15.545 --> 01:37:17.604 I recently put a deposit on an Abai. 01:37:17.615 --> 01:37:17.934 So I will. 01:37:17.934 --> 01:37:18.505 Did you really? 01:37:18.505 --> 01:37:18.755 Yeah. 01:37:18.775 --> 01:37:22.745 So it's, it's, the litter is supposed to be, uh, to be born in 01:37:22.745 --> 01:37:24.335 December or November or December. 01:37:24.335 --> 01:37:28.830 And so next sort of, you know, winter ish Yeah. 01:37:28.860 --> 01:37:32.790 I should, I should have an alibi on the property and that's super exciting. 01:37:32.930 --> 01:37:33.260 Travis Bader: No 01:37:33.260 --> 01:37:33.720 Seb Lavoie: kidding. 01:37:33.720 --> 01:37:34.520 Yeah. 01:37:34.600 --> 01:37:34.980 Yeah. 01:37:35.310 --> 01:37:36.660 So what are they known for? 01:37:36.690 --> 01:37:37.769 What's that breed known for? 01:37:37.790 --> 01:37:39.390 Well, they're, they're shepherds, right? 01:37:39.469 --> 01:37:43.089 So they're, they're, they're protecting the flock is their, and their flock is 01:37:43.089 --> 01:37:48.170 essentially their family unit, their territory, and they are extremely 01:37:48.200 --> 01:37:50.150 capable and they're extremely capable. 01:37:50.150 --> 01:37:53.380 And there's various stories out there of them, you know, fighting and. 01:37:53.475 --> 01:37:55.205 Beating wolves and, and things. 01:37:55.205 --> 01:37:58.825 And, and when you talk to wolf experts, they, you know, some of this has been, 01:37:59.595 --> 01:38:02.165 some of this has been questioned at time, but there is no question that there, 01:38:02.185 --> 01:38:06.254 there is individual anecdotal stories of these, some of these dogs, like growing 01:38:06.255 --> 01:38:08.915 to incredible length to, to protect. 01:38:09.354 --> 01:38:12.124 And I think that being in an environment where grizzlies are going 01:38:12.125 --> 01:38:15.215 to walk through your yard and all this stuff is probably a great idea 01:38:15.215 --> 01:38:18.285 to have 130 pound alibi, you know, 01:38:21.230 --> 01:38:25.380 My cute Malinois that, you know, is, is really cool for social media, but, uh, 01:38:27.630 --> 01:38:28.620 probably wouldn't do anything. 01:38:28.839 --> 01:38:30.270 A little too lovey dovey now. 01:38:30.670 --> 01:38:30.710 Yeah. 01:38:31.200 --> 01:38:33.379 Somebody, somebody compromised him, not to name anybody. 01:38:35.180 --> 01:38:35.790 Travis Bader: Yes. 01:38:36.640 --> 01:38:36.779 Yeah. 01:38:36.779 --> 01:38:38.329 I say the same thing about my dog. 01:38:38.410 --> 01:38:40.930 I'd be like, you guys have got what you look for, right. 01:38:41.540 --> 01:38:46.750 But I mean, it's, uh, there's a dog trainer that we've had on the 01:38:46.760 --> 01:38:49.650 podcast here and Ron Bamey's yeah. 01:38:49.980 --> 01:38:53.530 And, uh, I was talking to him a little bit back and forth. 01:38:53.540 --> 01:38:56.680 He's like, you're going to end up with a lap dog, Trav, you know that, right? 01:38:57.820 --> 01:38:58.420 I get it. 01:38:58.420 --> 01:38:58.960 I get it. 01:38:59.380 --> 01:39:02.099 Uh, but I'm, I'm like you, I'd love to have another dog, but 01:39:02.099 --> 01:39:04.459 it needs to have, uh, space. 01:39:04.460 --> 01:39:07.919 Uh, where we're at right now, I live in Ladner, got a 01:39:07.990 --> 01:39:09.950 beautiful place, got some space. 01:39:09.970 --> 01:39:15.960 And, uh, But I, the types of dogs we're looking at are higher energy. 01:39:16.000 --> 01:39:18.010 They need a lot of places to roam around. 01:39:18.010 --> 01:39:21.450 And so I figure our next dog, we're going to get, I'm going to have 01:39:21.450 --> 01:39:24.009 to do the same thing as you get, get some acreage, get some place 01:39:24.009 --> 01:39:25.150 where they can actually run around. 01:39:25.480 --> 01:39:26.070 Seb Lavoie: Absolutely. 01:39:26.070 --> 01:39:28.450 And you get, there's a lot of, you know, Cool stuff you can do. 01:39:28.450 --> 01:39:32.830 They got perimeter collars, you know, where, where it, because it's important. 01:39:32.830 --> 01:39:37.750 I mean, you have a dog breed, that's a big and strong dog breed like this. 01:39:37.750 --> 01:39:40.709 You want to make sure that there's a level of control and we're going to 01:39:40.709 --> 01:39:44.414 have, we're going to have some fencing and things and, and, and, and, and. 01:39:44.415 --> 01:39:48.735 And kennels, you know, for them, because also it has like very thick 01:39:48.735 --> 01:39:51.055 fur and it, it gets hot really quickly. 01:39:51.055 --> 01:39:52.215 So the winter is perfect. 01:39:52.215 --> 01:39:54.735 And also where I'm going in Southern Alberta, actually the 01:39:54.735 --> 01:39:56.415 average is something like minus 10. 01:39:56.715 --> 01:40:00.344 So the, so the bad, no, the winters are not like the winters are say 01:40:00.344 --> 01:40:02.005 in Calgary, for example, you know. 01:40:02.225 --> 01:40:03.915 And you probably get a fair bit of sun there too. 01:40:04.015 --> 01:40:05.545 It's the sunniest place in the country. 01:40:05.555 --> 01:40:06.125 That's right. 01:40:06.165 --> 01:40:06.435 Yeah. 01:40:06.525 --> 01:40:06.815 Yeah. 01:40:06.875 --> 01:40:10.055 And I have a seven acre available in case you want to build on it, by the way. 01:40:10.125 --> 01:40:14.274 Travis Bader: Well, just maybe a little workshop with a little shed upstairs. 01:40:14.945 --> 01:40:16.015 Do a little blacksmithing. 01:40:16.305 --> 01:40:16.785 I'm in. 01:40:16.845 --> 01:40:17.325 All right. 01:40:17.745 --> 01:40:18.265 I love it. 01:40:18.830 --> 01:40:21.930 Well, Seb, thank you so much for being on the Silvercore podcast. 01:40:21.940 --> 01:40:25.290 Again, we're going to do our next one, I think is going to be held 01:40:25.290 --> 01:40:26.870 in Alberta at your new place. 01:40:26.989 --> 01:40:29.500 I'm going to bring the show on the road and we'll do it there. 01:40:29.630 --> 01:40:30.670 Thank you so much. 01:40:30.760 --> 01:40:31.520 You're welcome, brother. 01:40:31.529 --> 01:40:32.120 It was my pleasure.