S4 E27 Audio
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[00:00:00] Welcome back. It is another episode of Very Vehicular. As always, I am your host, Brian Scotto, and today's episode I'm dubbing Generational Conflict. All right, so here's the idea. We're gonna take a bunch of different concepts and topics, and we're gonna talk about them through different POVs. Myself, in my late 40s, I represent Gen X.

Ron Zaras, who you guys all should know and love, represents the millennials. And we bring a new guest to the table, Mr. Chaz Warren, AKA Chazzy, who if you don't know him, is a really rad up-and-coming photographer who's been capturing a part of car culture, if I'm being honest, I'm kind of only watching from afar.

And he, in his 20s, represents Gen Z. It was really fun mostly to kind of hear Chazzy's perspective on all of these things. And obviously, if you disagree, tell us so in the comments. Enjoy it.[00:01:00] 

Zac, welcome to the show Hi, Ryan. Welcome back, Ron, as always. That's such a great way. What up? I'm back, I'm back. I had to be here for this one. Oh, yeah. I had to be here with the homie, Chaz. Yes. All right, so I, I just wanna set the table for what we're gonna do, right? So the idea here is we're calling this generational conflict, because each of us have, like, about a decade apart, right?

Like, how old are you? I'm 27. 39, just turned. Just turned. I liked it better when you were 38, but- So technically I did too. Trust me ... whatever. Trust me. And I'm unfortunately 46. So we each have, like, a... We each represent almost, like, its own generation, and on this show, topics always come up, and we're always talking about it, and at some point, one of us is like, "I don't know, but [00:02:00] maybe, like, maybe, like, younger generation's, like, into that."

Like- We just don't know ... we just don't know. And we, we found out. So, like, it's like, whether it's, like, Burble Tune or Takeover, so, like, whatever, we're like, "Oh," like we're getting old, right? So we're starting to get crotchety and cynical, and we're just looking at that stuff going, "Maybe we need to bring a younger person on."

And, like, you're probably the youngest person we know, at least in Los Angeles. It's an honor. It's an honor. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so you, you unfortunately are gonna represent the entire delegation- ... for the young guns. Everybody 30 under. Yeah, yeah. Okay. All this, so if you are listening- It's all on you

if you are listening to this show and you disagree- Hit Chaz... don't give me a hard time, but- Hit Chazup ... I hope I get most of these answers right and, and topics- It's not even answers. It's opinions ... yeah, opinions. There's nothing to get wrong. Yeah. It's just opinions. Yeah, that's a good point. I think I have pretty good opinions, but I guess we'll see.

So- We'll see ... but before we get into all of that, like, not that you need to tell your whole life story, but how'd you end up here? And I don't mean in Long Beach, but, like, like, you've built a pretty cool thing around yourself over the last couple of years. Thank you. Like, Ron turned me on to you first. I think you were the first one who was like, "Yo, this kid's doing some [00:03:00] really cool stuff in photography.

He's, like, really capturing the community." And that was, like, when we were still at Hoonigan. Yeah, and just r- before you answer, real quick, 'cause I know you're pretty humble about the whole thing, like, I started, like, Instagram, like Facebook. Oh, God, no, nobody's on Facebook. Um, mostly on- You're showing your age

mostly on IG. MySpace. You know, like, i- it's this echo chamber. Like, somebody sees somebody doing something cool, they repeat that kind of shot. I started seeing your photos come out, and I was like, damn, like, not only is somebody shooting cars on film and putting it into digital, but your style was super unique, and you weren't biting anybody else's stuff.

It was, it was really cool to see that, like, that soft focus, film grain, but also your access was crazy. Like, you were already shooting wild stuff. So I, I, having shot photos for a lot of my life, like, it's rare that I see an account come up where I'm like, damn, like, that's really cool. It's hard to have photos that get your attention on Instagram anymore.

That was you, man. Oh, thank you, man. Like, I, I genuinely liked your stuff. So [00:04:00] h- how'd you end up here? Man, well, I guess a soft introduction to me if you don't know who I am, my name is ChazWarren, also known as Chazzy Dog on social media, and I just love cars and cool stuff that guys like. I mean, 'cause I have maybe 10% girls following me out of all 10 10%?

10%. Ten's honestly solid. Bro, you're, you're stacked. Yeah, yeah. You're stacked. I got ... I'm 90 pers- I'm 97%, dudes. Ooh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I'm at, like, a five- The- ... and I think Vin was at a 1.8 or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Trust me, the other 3% are women who know me because they're friends with my wife.

Right. So anyway. Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah, you're doing all right. So I, I started liking cars from Midnight Club II, looking back. Mm. I got a PlayStation 2, and Midnight Club and Gran Turismo were the only two games I had. And I enjoyed playing Midnight Club so much, just because it was, like, free world. Yeah. You could speed, run from the cops- Solid game

all that stuff. And the first car that I knew was a dream [00:05:00] car of mine was the Celica Seven, because that was the last car you could unlock in the game. Mm. And it was called, like, a weird name for copyright reasons, probably. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I- Licensing ... looked it up on the internet, and I was like, "Oh, that's a Saleen S7

And if you know, if you know ball of Midnight Club II, then you know. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, and that, that game was a, it was kinda revolutionary in a way, because most car games before that were, like, either a racing sim- Yeah ... or, like, you know, it, it, it didn't capture the vibe the way- It was- ... Midnight Club did.

It was either Gran Turismo- Yeah ... which was trying its hard to be realistic, or it completely lived in the arcade world. Yeah. And there was, like, a culture piece that Midnight Club brought that felt really rad. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I remember 'cause I was literally working in the business already by then when you were seven.

But whatever- Yeah ... we'll skip past that. Yeah, so pretty much that game inspired my whole life, and- Mm ... uh, during COVID a lot of people might have been inside, but I was definitely outside. Like, whether it was drifting or stuff like that, like, I was just out there. And then I fell in love with cars even more, and then the photography [00:06:00] kinda went hand-in-hand with that, and I just used the camera to capture the moments that I was around.

And- Mm ... I was very inspired by vintage aesthetics, and it goes on from there. And is that, that, that's what got you to film shooting, because- Yeah ... the first time I hired you, uh, you showed up with nothing digital. Yeah. It was all film. And I was like, "Oh, this dude's no joke." Yeah, yeah. I love the way film looks.

Even when I was shooting digital, before I learned how to shoot on film, I was trying to make it look like film. Oh, you were throwing the filters on? Yeah, I was trying to just- ... I don't know, fi- find out a way. And then I finally got a couple shoots where I can pay for film, and then I just had to dive straight in.

And all my friends at the time were already shooting film, so it was cool. Nice. What got you into photography? I think- Like video game covers, uh, like Midnight Club. Like there we go, we go back to Midnight Club. Yeah, yeah. The, the cover of that game was like a car drifting on the wet ground with a bike behind chasing him and the lights of Tokyo behind there, and it just...

Like that whole [00:07:00] game was just like how I wanted to live my life- Mm ... at that point. And luckily, like I didn't know it would kind of get to that point actually in my life, but the pho- the camera has brought me there, you know? Did you grow up here in LA? I have, yeah, yeah. So for you- Since I was born ... which is cool because you have like this immediate access to car culture in a way- Yeah

like other people don't. It, it has been kind of a cheat code, no cap. Yeah, no, I mean, if you grew up in like, you know, whatever, Kansas City, like you, there are probably a lot less super cars there. Your standards get a bit lower too. Yeah. I guess I'll do the photos. Nothing against Dodge SRT4s. But you're gonna shoot the one SRT4 that's in town that, you know, has like a off-color door.

I guess by now- By the way, by the way, by the way ... there's probably better ones, but ... the SRT4 catches way too much shade on this show. I know. I don't know why. I know. I always go there, and like I think we need to just start moving some of the shade to the Cobalt SS. Oh. 'Cause that is the ul- You call- What'd I call it the other day?

The Midwest Civic? It's the Midwest Civic. Wow. That's not meant to be [00:08:00] derogatory, by the way. Sorry. I literally interrupted that- We love the Midwest ... just to shade both those cars. Yes. But yeah, so, um, and, and then from there, I mean- You are, like, kind of humble because y- you quickly grew this, like, aesthetic and look, and then all of a sudden you had all this access, and you're shooting all these crazy supercars and hypercars and, and...

Did that start from, like, going to, like, Cars and Coffee type things? Yeah, so- And, like, doing, like, car spotting type stuff? But, um, and not to say you're in that world, 'cause you really have transcended into, like, this whole other space. But, like, how did you first get access to that? It's weird because before COVID there weren't really, like, different categories of car meets, in my opinion.

Mm. From what I've experienced, 'cause I was in college, like, I just remember a friend telling me, "Yo, come to this car meet." And then it would be very nice at the beginning, and then, like, an hour later, like, some muscle cars would show up, and then at the end, before takeovers and all that were a thing, people would just do burnouts leaving, it seems like.

Right, right. And it was [00:09:00] just a car meet. That's what a meet was, in my opinion, when I got introduced to the scene. Right. And yeah, that's kind of just how it was, you know? And then over time you noticed them getting a lot more specialized, like supercars only- Yeah, yeah ... or- I think- Or JDM ... yeah, 'cause social media started taking off around that time, too, and how I kinda got into supercars and hypercars was because I was really into cars shooting flames, like.

Mm. But twin-turbo cars, and, like, I remember seeing a photographer named Michael Rego taking photos of this one Huracán that was twin turbo shooting flames in New York. And I remember I was just like, "I need to get a print of this," and I put it on my wall. And then I, again, Hoonigan, uh, shout-out Hoonigan, uh, I saw Gymkhana, the Los Angeles one.

Mm. And I saw Larry's photos, and, like, that was really inspiring, so I've, I was just in love with both of those things, you know? Yeah. And was that... So were you already shooting photography at that point? Or did you s- I'd just started, yeah. So- So that's what, 2013? '14. '14? Yeah. Yeah. But I [00:10:00] was shooting mostly landscapes.

I didn't start going to car meets until 2018, 2019. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Mm. Yeah. You, it, 'cause you've mentioned this before, that, like, before the cameras turned on, you were kinda saying how you were doing photography and, like, now you've caught the drifting bug, and, like, you're like- Yes ... transitioning from sort of, like, spectator to participant.

Yeah, yeah. Um, was your first, and, yeah, was your first interest more the photography of cars and, like, capturing that versus cars themselves? I think true to heart, I really, really just love cars and what cars can do. Mm. So- Along with that, I definitely had an eye for photography, and I kind of combined the two, and then bringing in the aesthetics and film, I...

That was the vibe I really, really liked. So I just combined all of the stuff together, and it became a really nice photo sometimes. And with that, I think with social media, just people saw it, and I used the opportunity to try and reach out to people I would see at meets and stuff. So you were reaching out to them at first- Yeah

and then I imagine that [00:11:00] eventually swapped. Yeah, yeah. When people started to reach out to you being like, "Hey, I got this thing. You wanna come shoot it?" Yeah, the first photo shoot where I really took it serious was this Procharged Mustang, and it was when the Procharger was first a thing. It was the only Mustang that sounded like how it did.

And I remember going up to him at a car meet and was like, "Bro, we should shoot sometime. Like, I got this camera, and we should just make something happen." And I'd had no idea how to shoot manual or anything. Yeah. And I remember he was like, "Let's take rollers," and I didn't even know how to do that. I just put it...

I was, like, messing with everything. Try with my fire. I was like, "Okay, it looks like this." Uh, before I shot with film, it was digital still. Yeah. And then I just winged it, and then half the battle is editing in my opinion, so just posted it. And then when car pages were featuring a lot of work back then, uh, Mustang Magazine reached out, and they posted the photos, and then that kind of just got us started, uh, from there.

I started reaching out to more people. I taught Ron how to shoot a camera in the trenches in, like, three minutes, and then he became a way better photographer than me. Yeah. It's weird how that works. It was crazy. We're in Turkey. No, it was my first World Rally Championship race, [00:12:00] the first event I ever did where, you know, Ken was running things, and we're in a rental car, and we're running.

I can hear the car in the distance. And Scotto, as we're running towards the stage, not in the car, not at the hotel, like, as we're running towards the stage, hands me a camera. It was, like, a Canon 20D. It was, a Canon 20D. Uh, with, like, a whatever lens on it, and he's like, "All right, check it out. Uh, just kind of, you know...

It's fast action, but you don't wanna park the car, so put your shutter down to, like, I don't know, start at 250 and then go down from there." And I'm like, "All right, tight." And I hear, like, the car coming, like wa. Like, in rally you hear the car, like, noise- Miles away, yeah ... bouncing off the mountains and stuff like that.

And then, like, Ken just comes over this crest, jumps, like, the car bucks, like, you know, back high, and I'm like dr. I was like, "Whoa, that was sick." I, like, experienced a WRC jump- Wow ... for the first time, and then I looked down at the camera, and it was right there. And I was like, "Yo- this is sick. Yeah, yeah. Like this is the coolest feeling of, like, I caught [00:13:00] what that felt like to me.

Terrible photo. Yeah. But it, I, I- Like to stop time and- Yes ... yeah, that, that was awesome, too. Like when I was- Yeah ... taking rollers of the Mustang on my first shoot, like seeing that come to life was like, oh my gosh, like this is- It's crazy ... awesome. Yeah, I remember the first feeling. You even- That's how you got hooked

brought that back for me, yeah. Oh, that's so cool. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then I immediately yelled at him, "Come on dummy, we gotta get back in the car." Yeah. We gotta go to the next stage. We gotta go to the next stage. Oh man, yeah, that w- I, I was goofy man, but like that, that, that takes you to another place.

Like your brain just starts working in a totally different way. Yeah. Every time you see a car or car action, you're like, "This is how I wanna see it." Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's cool. And your whole view of that was influenced by- Yeah ... a video game. Mine was influenced by watching rally cars on Speed Channel. Oh, wow.

You know? Yeah, okay. Like on TV, when TV used to have cool stuff. Yeah. And I'm gonna date myself, 'cause my inspiration goes back to Knight Rider. Shout out to David Hasselhoff. Nice. And, uh, the A-Team, which is probably why I like vans so much. It's a weird... [00:14:00] Wow. That's such a realization. I'm having a moment right now.

You guys can- That's crazy ... talk amongst yourselves- Oh, yeah ... as I start to start to- Why, why is Michael- ... unpack why I'm so into vans. Why he likes Brolic- Yeah ... looking fast vans. Yeah. Yeah. B.A. Baracus is probably the reason. Yep. Bro had a style. He... Oh, he had- He had a look. He had it. It was just... I, I was super into that when I was a kid.

I remember wearing, like, overalls and, like, fake chains when I was younger. Yeah, so it's weird. Hell yeah. Yeah. Anyways. Nice. I mean, so here's a question. This is a question that I ask... I usually reserve this question for, like, the older heads, right? So, like, when Jon Nadiri was here, or Steph Papadakis, like, I asked them this question of do you currently think automotive right now, culture-wise, is peak?

Right? And I'm not gonna tell you what they said. I wanna kinda understand, 'cause you obv- you've been in it for a shorter period and- Yeah ... s- perspective changes as you get older, because the whole timeline starts to get smaller, right? Yeah, yeah. But, um, you got into cul- into car [00:15:00] culture when you were really young, around video games, and then, like, Tokyo Drift and things like that were a part of it.

But then you really dived into it, as you said, in 2018. Yeah. So it's been eight years. Like, where do you think car culture feels for you right now? Well, I've- Is it up? Is it down? Where is it? It's weird, because I feel like car culture as a whole, as the whole planet Earth, is the most popular it's ever been.

Like, people getting into cars as far as F1, uh, social media, and stuff like that. I think it's because many different things. I think technology might have peaked with the car... Like, okay. Now cars are super, super heavy and more like the hybrid system and the batteries, you know Disconnected. The conversations we all have had before.

Yeah. Yeah. But, um- They've gotten big and numb. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like before that, that was when cars were peak as a driving experience, because- Mm ... it's still all you. You don't have to... You take, press one button and the whole traction control is off, you know? Right. [00:16:00] Now it's like you have to make sure all of this stuff is very, a lot of rules and stuff.

So I think everyone, for everyone getting into cars right now, this is the peak to do it because we still have people working on old school cars as well as new school ca- cars are coming out right now, which is con- controversial for me because I don't really like the way new cars look, honestly. What's your favorite generation of cars, like years?

It, it's a l- long range, I think, from honestly since the first Countach to- Damn ... before COVID. Okay. I, I'm, I'm, I'm- That's, I mean, that's a good run ... I was gonna ask, when you say old school car, like, what's an old school car to you? I know that's a broad question, but, like, give me- I would say I think, yeah, starting from the '90s up is the modern era for me.

Okay. What's crazy- ... is a classic car is defined as 25 years old. Right. So a 2001 is considered... So, like, a 2001 [00:17:00] Mark 4 Jetta is technically a classic car today. That's crazy. Which is crazy, 'cause to me, if, like, when you say the word classic- Yeah ... I just think, like, a, like, a Tri-Five, like a '55 Chevy or something.

Yeah, I think, I think, like- Like, that's still classic for me ... Chevy Nova or, like- Right ... you know, that, like- '70s era ... late '70s muscle car era. Yeah, but, like, technically 25 years old is classic. So to you, old school is, like, E36 M3? It's getting there now. Okay. Like, when I first got into cars, I thought I, I really, really wanted that car, but now, like, cars have gotten faster.

Mm-hmm. Like, it's shifted from the '90s to the cars I want to, like, early 2000s. Well, what are you driving now? What'd you drive here today? I drove a E92 M3. Uh- Damn ... shout out SPD Motor Group. They are helping me throw events, and they're giving me cars to drive, so yeah. Is that your car or just a car you drive around?

It's the, it's the shop car- Oh, that's cool ... as you would call it, yeah. That's cool. But no one at the shop drives it, 'cause there's other cool cars they drive, so they kinda just- Yeah ... threw it to me. A man of fine taste, by the way. You had one of those. Yes, I did. Yeah. I... It was one of my- Vinny had a couple

favorite cars I've [00:18:00] ever owned. Yeah. And I like way analog raw cars. Like, I, I like, you know, rally type stuff that's super light, manual gearbox, all-wheel drive, no ABS, like nothing. So to me, the E92 was like, "Oh, I'm living." Yeah. Luxury. Like, this is crazy. But, you know. I think as a driver, I think we might've passed peak.

But as a car enthusiast- Right. That's what I mean, as a culture ... you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The culture itself with everybody- Mm-hmm ... like photographers, people who just like looking at cars, all that, I think it is at its peak, 'cause there's just so much to embrace and look at. But if you're purely just trying to drive, I mean, who's making manuals anymore?

No- Yeah ... almost nobody, you know? So I'm just- But do you, do you feel like it is still growing? Like, is there room to grow? I think so. Okay. I think, uh, drifting is the next wave. I really do. Next wave? Next wave. Yo. Yeah. Nice. I feel like- That wave's been going for, like, 20 plus years for us, but you, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, like- It's just, you can see everything. Drifting used to be, from what I know, from what I know. What, what is drifting? What do ... When [00:19:00] you see drifting, like, how do you define it? Like, what is drifting to you? I think it's a art form of cars. Mm. It's really pushing the car to its max as far as, as well as creating art.

I think tire marks are art, I think the smoke is art, I think the way people turn into a corner is ... You're, you know, you have- Yeah ... different styles. Um, you know, obviously the Japanese is huge, huge points for that, you know? Where do things like Formula Drift live in drifting for you, versus things like Final Bout, versus just, like, street jammers, or?

Man, uh, I think Final Bout is really cool because the tandems that they do. Mm. Like, 10 cars, teams, like, you guys all gotta hit it, and, like, I think just seeing a train of cars drifting is the, the coolest thing ever, 'cause it's, like, wow, like, you all are really hitting that you know? Yeah. Yeah. And where, and where does FD live for you?

Oh, man, I, I'm getting into ... I'm still learning drifting, obviously. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I- That's why it's [00:20:00] interesting to us, 'cause- Yeah ... I think D1 Japan is the king of drift events right now. Mm. Because it's a mixture of both style and, you know, like, uh, really hardcore, like, points, you know? Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. I think Formula Drift is so specific, and you have to get the line perfect.

I think Japan, you have a little more leeway. You should do bakies into a corner, you know? Right. Mm. You shouldn't just directly get to the zone. They should do it with style, you know? And I, I think, uh, drifting should be more focused on style, I feel like. Who are your, like, top three drivers in drifting right now?

Oh, man. I think James Deane, obviously. Yeah. The Machine. Good man. Yeah. Um, I'm going to Japan soon to watch Daigo Saito drift. He's- Mm. I've only seen videos, but- He is- Yeah ... one, an absolute amazing driver, and I remember when he came to the US and just upset the entire year. Like, just- In, in an SC430 one year.

In an SC430 that was like- The [00:21:00] weirdest platform. Yeah And he just crushed it. Yeah, just so unexpected. Yeah. And just made a lot of grown men cry. Yeah. Like Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, emotion, you know? Yeah, he- Yeah ... well, like, in both ways, the com- he made competitors cry- ... 'cause I don't think any ... He, I argue that he introduced, like, the pillow smoke era of drifting.

Mm. Mm. Because his car was making so much more smoke than anyone else's. And he cut holes out of the fenders to put more out there. Yeah. Oh. Like, there was so much more thought into that. It was super cool. He's also an amazing human being. Yes. Like, I just love Daigo. I love, I love hanging out with him- Yeah, yeah

and stuff like that. But okay, so James Deane, Daigo, and then who's your third? Who's your third? I mean, I recently had some tandems with Larry Chen, and his energy while you're drifting with him is so contagious. He's like, "Let's keep doing rounds." I'm like, my tires are on wires, but okay. Like, you know, he

The enthusiasm he gets when he drifts- And that's 'cause you get, someone you get to go drive with Yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. You familiar with, um, like, the Animal Style boys? Julian Jacobs and those guys? I need to see more of them, for sure. Those are like- 'Cause everyone talks about them ... they are like some of my, my favorite dudes to watch drive.

For me, in the US, there, there are some of the guys that embrace that [00:22:00] Japan spirit, where it's style's super important, but also driving aggression is super important. Yes, yes. Like, any time you see those dudes behind the wheel, it is the most aggressive entries, the most aggressive mid-corner, and somehow also exit, and they just, every time they're behind the wheel.

And it's not like- you know, how much side bite do I have? Mm-hmm. And how much, you know, like, can I put on this guy? It's like, no, just as aggressive sounding and looking as possible. Yeah. Yeah. They also, um, one, they've been driving together for so long that, like, they just know e- like, they just know each other's style so well, and it's like that, that part's great.

I, they also, like, really went hard when no one else was, like shipping their cars to Japan. Yeah, that was really cool. And like doing a tour and compete out there, and like all of that. And they also really stand behind the idea of, like, cars don't need to make 1,000 horsepower. Yeah. Yep. Like, just have a car that you- Drive what you got

can drive all weekend. Yes. Like, that's more important than building, like, some crazy YouTube car- Yeah ... that breaks, you know? Or like trying to drive a pro [00:23:00] car- Yeah ... or something like that, so. Switch subjects real quick. Um, right now, uh, if you had $100,000, I hand it to you to go buy a new car from the dealership, what do you go buy?

And all three of us will answer it. Oh, man. Okay, um... Entering generational conflict question one. I think, ah, I think Supra, new Supra. Okay. A90. Okay. Yeah. 'Cause they, they just came out with manual versions, right? And something like that. Yeah, I think like two years ago. So they're definitely targeting the enthusiasts with that.

I mean, I know the Z too, the, the... But one of those two, I can't really, uh, pick. The new Z or the new Supra, for sure. Oh, the, the 400Z? Yeah. Oh, damn. Okay. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's such a rare mention. You know, that car, that car lives in my blind spot all the time. All the time. And it gets swept on. Every time someone says it, I'm like, "Oh, right.

They introduced a new car." Mm. I mean, I just think that was like a major flop from Nissan, because there was so much excitement around, like, the first return of the Z, the 350. I was there when that happened. And then, like, that car [00:24:00] continued to have a hero status, and then I think they just delayed the new Z for so long- Uh-huh

that by the time it finally came out it was like, "Uh, okay." Do you remember, this is gonna throw it back, but do you remember, like, Chevy did that with the new Camaro in the mid 2000s? Mm-hmm. Transformers. Like, they were talk... Exactly. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah, they released it as Bumblebee- Yeah ... and then we didn't see it for another three years.

Yeah. And then we saw, like a tur- like a kind of like, you know, broken down version of, like, what we had seen as the concept car. And I feel like unfortunately Nissan just found the same fate. I mean, the Supra as well, the FT1 concept, everyone was like- Mm. Yeah ... "Oh, my God." And I remember when the Supra first came out, like, no one liked it, but now, without...

This is the new gen. Yeah. I think we've kind of accepted it. The, the Supra hate was weird for me, and I'm obviously like a Euro snob, but they're like, "It's too BMW." And I'm like, "Is that a bad thing?" Yeah. No, how is that- And I don't think it is anymore. How is that bad? Now that I've driven one. The g- yeah, like they are literally the ultimate driving machine.

I'm not a BMW fan, and I will still admit, like, they are very good at building cars. They are. They are. I, I give them all their props, 'cause- Yeah ... the E92 [00:25:00] M3 is so good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What are you, what are you buying, Ron? I mean, listeners of the pod will know I, I'm a big, big fan of the GR86. Yeah, that's my favorite too.

So I know that's way under the budget, but then- That's okay ... spend the rest on track time and tires, right? Like, that car to me is, like, peak driving experience of, like, feeling like I know with my hand exactly what the front tire's doing. Like, it's telepathic. Mm. And, like, super predictable, and it's just so fun to flick around.

Like, the A90 Supra has really grown on me a lot. Like, I see a yellow one on the highway, I'm like, "Ooh, okay." Yeah. Like, I, I get it. And I've driven one. I, I drove the manual one when it came out, drove the auto one on track. Great car, but to me it's still, like, that little bit of numbness is there, where the G- the, the GT86, GR86 is like- So very raw Perfect.

Oh, such a sick car. I know this is my question, but I absolutely did not prep [00:26:00] for it. So, like, while the ball- It's hard ... I was like, what would I actually... I, I hate to say it, 'cause I already had one before, but I'd probably buy a C8 Corvette. That's nice. Oh, yeah. Wow. 'Cause, like, bang for the buck- Yeah. Yeah

what, you can pick one up for, like, new 70-something now. I don't know whether they're 80. All right, that was a blind spot for me. But, like, that's like, like, it's a really, really, really good car, and it feels special for the money. Yeah, yeah. That's, like, that one's pretty cool. Great on track. Love that car.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't think you... Like, when I was your age, there's no way in hell I would've ever admitted to wanting a Corvette. Yeah, yeah. A Corvette, yeah. That's shifted, but- But that one, that one's, like, that one's stepping a little further away from the K Swiss, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

K Swiss. Yeah. Have they elevated from that? It was New Balance. Is, is it Phil- New Balance, K Swiss, it's, like, the same family, you know? Like, I- I think New Balance is a little bit- ... sometime- ... cooler than K Swiss ... we should break down generationally Corvette, what footwear you're wearing. C4, what shoe? Shoe game.

C5, what shoe? But that's a different pod. That's a different pod. Is this something young kids talk about, too, is the Corvette gang? I think- 'Cause Corvettes have, like, come [00:27:00] around and become cool. Like, when I see a slammed C5 driving, definitely the kid in the car- Yeah ... is under 30 now. Oh, yeah, definitely.

Yeah, definitely. Which is a trip to hear. Definitely, yeah. I think, uh, for speaking, uh, for the under-30 people, I think- Yeah, yeah, yeah. Foot- As the representative. As, as the representative. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, uh, I think the C5 and up is where we're at for sure. Like, we love most of those cars. The C6 is definitely probably the top one.

Okay. Everyone tells me C6. Uh, s- I think C7 over C6, but- Okay ... for style purposes, I think C5 has the pop-ups, and you could make it- Mm ... like a stance car, so. Yeah. So C5's cool to you? I think C5's really cool. Hell yeah. Yeah. I mean, the C5 is basically a thick RX-7. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like an FD RX-7, like- And it comes LS swapped.

So

they already fixed the biggest problem. Right, right. That's really interesting 'cause, like, yeah, when, when I first got into cars, like, anybody with a C5 was a dork. They were like- Yeah ... "Well, mine's one of one maroon with white [00:28:00] interior combo." And it's like, oh my God, whatever. You know? Or they're at an autocross bragging that they just smoked a Mini Cooper.

I'm like, bro- Right ... you have a Corvette. Right, right. Go to a real track. And then I, I don't... It was, like, somewhat recently that they really started growing on me. Like, you forget about it for a little bit, and then you see one, and you see somebody of your generation- Yeah ... do one properly, and you're like, "Oh, wow, that can actually look really good."

And then Kaisa did his rendition of one. Mm. Like, oh, man, all right. The red C5 that we had at Hoonigan was a ton of fun. It was so much fun. Uh, it was a $5,000 car out the box. Yes. It was a ripper. Yeah, yeah. It was a ripper. We put a Hurting on that thing. Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay, here's another question. Um, what is your favorite motorsport currently right now?

And I'll, I'll put some rules on that. It has to be a currently existing motor sport. So like something that's, that's gonna play, you know, on the weekends. Dang. Like, what, what is it that like makes... Or maybe you don't have one. You can also- I mean, I do enjoy some Formula Drift. Okay. What I was talking about earlier- Mm

n- nothing [00:29:00] bad with Formula Drift. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nothing bad with any type of drifting, but- Yeah ... like I enjoy Formula Drift a lot. I think it's really, really cool just seeing the aggression, like what he's talking about earlier. Mm. Um, F1, man, I don't, I mean, I wish the sound was there. It's not there. Mm.

Like, I, I just- Okay ... yeah, I look, I'd rather watch- Big respect on that comment ... older F1 videos than the new F1. Like, I enjoy the competition of modern F1, but if the sound could just get better- Yeah ... you, you got a whole new generation that probably would just stick. Now, speaking for your generation, do you feel like F1 though has like become more pop culture acceptable?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Every- That's what I mean by car culture as a whole. Like, everyone knows about it. E- there's more people getting into it. I think- The way everything's going with cars is reverse. If everything stayed the same to now with sound and maybe more naturally aspirated cars, then I think car culture would be even more booming than it is, I think.

What I love about that is that the [00:30:00] generational gap between us, you did not grow up watching F1 with the V8 era, with the V10 era. V10s, yeah. You were not into it at that point, right? Yeah, I just liked the sound, like- For sure ... I, yeah, I didn't really- But I- ... watch all the stuff going on, but I just knew, pew, I was like, "Ah," you know?

That's F1. Yeah. And it's even F1 to you a- and, and I love that because, like, it doesn't matter that you didn't grow up in that era, you just know that's what it should be. Yes, yes. Right? Yeah. We had a great moment, um, I brought him out to Goodwood in 2024, and we were with Williams in the paddock. Juan Pablo Montoya and the 2004- Mm-hmm

BMW Williams F1 car at 18,000 RPM, they fired it up, whir, whir, whir. Um, we could drop the clip in here, and Chazwent he went crazy. Yeah, I was geeking hard. All these, all these F1 guys are like, "Oh my God," like, he... Yeah, it was sick. Yeah. It was awesome to see your excitement around that. For me, my first introduction to motorsports was when, like, I went to go see a, a, I think IndyCar at Long Beach.

Mm. And I remember just walking to it and hearing [00:31:00] it, I'm like, "What am I about to get into right now?" 'Cause I've never heard anything like this. I... What lies beyond the fence of paying the ticket and stuff like that- Yeah ... and then seeing how fast cars are. It's like the whole experience, like, building up to seeing what is happening- Mm

which is a huge, sound is a huge part, I think, in cars, for sure. Absolutely agree. I could not agree more. Yeah. This is definitely something- It's everything. Yeah ... all the delegations are agreeing on right now. Yeah. Bring back the V10s. Yeah. And the man that drives the E92 M3, like the sound of it- Oh, yeah ... is the biggest...

It's not the fastest car in the world. No. It's not. Well, yours is supercharged. Yeah. So it's quick, but, like, there's so many other fast cars out there, but that vibe that it gives you, like, that feeling is, it's unmatched. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. I probably don't need to ask you this, Ron, but your favorite form of motorsport?

We all know, it's rally. Easily, by far. Like- I still have to get introduced to rally more. I wanna definitely see a car fly over me, besides a Tesla driving. Once, once you do rally, it's really hard to go backwards. Oh. Like, it's just, it's just a special sport, but I will admit [00:32:00] right now, like, I've actually...

I'm w- I'm watching way less rally, and the sport that I'm actually watching the most of right now is Australian Supercar. Mm, V8 Supercars? Yes, V8 Supercars. Yeah. Because, um, I, I've always loved it, and for me, when I was young- The, the one channel that played motorsports and racing was a channel called Speed Vision before it became Speed, which then became, like, a NASCAR channel.

And they just would air all of the stuff from other places. So we got British Touring Car, we got the WRC, and we got V8 Supercars. Yeah. And always thought it was cool, but then I got to go work with them when I did the Travis Pastrana thing, and then I ended up finding a feed for it on Racer, and I'm like, "Okay, this is now what I'm..."

Like, I really enjoy watching it. And I, even though there's only really two cars competing in it, although the Supra is coming, um, it is, like, some of my favorite racing. Yeah. Are you watching any? Do you know what I'm talking about? No, you guys will have to send me the link. I'm gonna have to, I'll put you on.

Yeah, please. Oh, yeah. I'll put you on because it is just a really good door-to-door. It [00:33:00] feels like racing from the '80s and early '90s in a modern car. Awesome. Yeah. Awesome. Like, guys are hitting each other. Like, just, like, hitting, jumping curbs, like, that is the sport. Like, it's a jump. Yeah. Like, that's what...

They s- they treat curbs like, like you're supposed to jump them. That's so cool. Like a BMX bike. Are you familiar with, like, the old, uh, DTM compilations? Yes, yes. It's like the modern version of that in a way. It's as close as we can get to that. It's the same kind of aggressive driving. Okay. Yeah, it's sick.

Yeah, definitely have to look into that then, for sure. But that's the one for me that, like, I've just lately been like, "I really like this." I, I got to see Bathurst, which is like one of the greatest ones. I won't go too long 'cause you don't know what I'm talking about. But- ... it, like, going there was this thing that I watched when I was younger, and then I c- finally got to see the place and, like, walk it, and it's like this crazy elevation changes, and the road's so narrow.

Yeah. It feels really sketchy. It has, like, a Nürburgring kind of vibe to it- Mm ... although shorter. And it, it just kinda made me fall back in love with it. So, like, that's my, that's my pick at the moment. Nice. So I don't know if I can- It's a solid one ... speak for the generation. I think my generation is [00:34:00] heavily Formula 1 right now.

Yeah. I think, like, they... And, and because they've always been, but, like, now it's like, it's there, it's the sport, it's what everybody's talking about. I heard they're bringing the V8s back, so I'm, I'm all for it. Like, please bring the V8s back. Yes. Please. Yeah, I think we can all agree on that. I mean, no driver seems to be happy about this yet.

Yeah. Especially Max. We want to s- No ... we- Yeah, no ... as a whole, I think we wanna see the racers feel good. Yeah. You know? Like- Absolutely ... it brings the whole audience down when the drivers themselves- Yeah ... are putting on a show and, like, they're not happy. If you had to pick a favorite F1 driver? I mean- Lewis Hamilton for sure.

Hell yeah. Yeah, yeah. Lewis is what got me back into F1 when he first came in. Yeah. And his, his rookie season was... It was amazing to watch. Yeah. Right. 'Cause it was so unexpected to see a rookie do so well- Yeah ... in year one, right? Yeah. Um, and that brought me back in, and then I kind of fell out of it, like- Mm-hmm

I don't know, after a couple years. Yeah. But yeah. 'Cause I was like, I got into it like Schumacher, Montoya days. Okay. Okay. I was on that, yeah. I, I'm noticing, I'm noticing kind of a thread [00:35:00] here, like, uh, with drifting being your favorite, like, kind of driving, FD is your favorite motorsport, Lewis is your favorite driver.

Like, it feels like style is super important to you. Yes. Like, style- Yes ... over almost everything. Yes. Like, that, that's kind of a... Because for us- Older guys, like cars were about the specs early on, right? Like, you're reading Car and Driver, Road and Track. Like, you go, "What's the zero to 60 time on that? What's the quarter mile time on that?

How much horsepower has this one got?" Yeah. And that was everything, right? Mm-hmm. And now, like those horsepower wars are kind of over. Like- Yeah ... you know, you get a Lucid or a Tesla that could smoke anything in a quarter mile, and it doesn't matter anymore. So style is like- Yes ... so much of everything now, and I'm noticing that as a thread for you.

I think the photography kind of helps with the style points. Hmm. Like, you know, I, 'cause after you see a lot of cars and go to the Cars and Coffees and stuff like that, you wanna see, like, why... Well, like what makes [00:36:00] this car stand out, and that's a person's personality- Hmm ... put into a car, which is, you know, style points, you know?

So what brought this, what, what brought you to the table today, right? W- I wanted... I mean, it's when I saw you at that summit, I was like, "I wanna get on the pod at some point." But what brought you here today is 'cause Ron and I were having a conversation the other day that, like, at some point for the two of us, supercars/hypercars, like, just became something we weren't paying attention to anymore.

Hmm. Right? And we were going through a list and looking at, you know, different types of cars and what they're... I'm like, "I don't even know what this car is. I've never even heard of this." Yeah. Like, I couldn't- Blind to it. I, I couldn't name more than, like, two or three McLarens. Yeah. Like, I, I just, it just doesn't excite me anymore.

And we both said that the Bugatti Veyron, for us, was sort of the end of the hypercar. Oh, wow. Like, because that came out, and it was like, oh, wow, okay, it- That's final boss. Oh, wow. That's final boss. That's a, that's a W16. It's got four turbos. It's got 1,000 horsepower. Like, anything after that- Yeah ... like, what are you [00:37:00] doing?

And Ron said, "I bet you if you asked Chazy, he would feel completely different." I complet- Yeah, I do, 'cause I think the Veyron was the beginning of something. Ah, that's crazy. That's it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's wild. No, that, this is like BC AD, like- Yeah, yeah. Now we're learning- ... 'cause we have no idea.

Yeah. Yeah. So, so y- school us a little bit. Like, what is... Like, what are the top hypercars right now for you? I mean, okay, it sucks right now because the new cars that are coming out, like let's talk about the Ferrari F80, okay? Yeah. What is this mustache that these dudes are putting on, right? Like, what the heck?

And, but it, I think it looks fine without it. I think, uh, I think it's a lot of, again, style. I think the P1 looked so good, even when it first came out. When people first saw it- It was like, okay. Yeah. The, same with the LaFerrari, same, same with all the hypercars of that era, like the 918 also looked good.

But now- So what do you think- I'm like, "Ah, what?" ... is peak hypercar era? That, that, I think that generation. [00:38:00] 'Cause I don't feel the excitement from people even, like, in high school when- Yeah ... I was in high school. Like, when, when I was in high school, everyone knew about the LaFerrari, the- Mm ... 918, like the, that holy trinity.

That's what would've been a poster on your wall. The holy trinity. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I like that. Yeah. 'Cause the holy trinity- That's what we call it ... as you know- Yeah ... is the McLaren F1. Mm-hmm. The, uh, Mercedes CLK- GT-R ... GT-R. Ferrari F40. Ferrari F4- Or the Enzo. Well, yeah, Ferrari- Depending on your age. Right, right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the, the, the tri- okay, all right. Okay, so my trinity- Yeah ... my trinity was McLaren F1, the, uh, the Porsche GT1- Yeah ... and then the CLK GT-R. Mm. Like, that's my holy trinity. Those three cars at Le Mans, like that's- Oh, see, yeah ... everything to me. That's my trinity. I guess I- And yours is, like, F40- My, my, my holy trinity, it's weird 'cause, like, little little kid, Countach, Testarossa.

Mm. Like, it wasn't even a trinity. There were two. Right. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the DeLorean until we found out it sucked, right? Oh, yeah. [00:39:00] Right. But, but, like, those were the two, right? And then I think after that was, like- Definitely the McLaren F1. I mean, that was the super special car. Uh, the F40, and like the Diablo was cool, but like, it, it was another Lambo so like it kind of lived in that area.

Mm. And then there were those like weird ones like the Bugatti- Yeah ... like, you know, EB 110. EB 110, yeah. And like the- XJ 220 ... XJ 220. Yeah. Ah, wow. I wouldn't say that was in the trinity, but like those were in that like early-'90s vibe. That's your cloud. Yeah, yeah. But then as a journalist, like it was the Enzo.

Mm, yeah. Like, 'cause that was still the thing. And then the Veyron came out, and all of a sudden it was like it put such a fucking gap on the Enzo- Yeah ... that it just- On everything. Yeah. It just felt like it was like a new beginning. Yeah. And that's when we started to have the conversation of what's a supercar, what's a hypercar?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm. Which I still don't understand. Yeah. Well, I think a hypercar changes... Well, I mean, it's weird 'cause as you, you [00:40:00] had cars that defined your generation, you had cars that defined your generation. I feel like that holy trinity was defining my generation as a teenager. Mm. And now the next generation of teenagers are kind of going backwards, I'm not gonna lie.

Mm. Not like them, but the cars themselves. So we, we still had a V12 in the LaFerrari. Now we got a V6 in the new LaFerrari replacement, which is the F80. Yeah. And- That's a 11 ... you know, like all... You know, it, it was going up until now pretty much. Mm. And now I feel like the performance is still going up, but the emotion that we get from these engines and stuff is going kind of down, like, you know?

I don't know- So you're not a big fan of the new Ferrari EV? I think- No, yeah, let's, yeah, let's talk about that. What is happening? Like Hopefully regulations is the only thing that will spoil it for Ferrari. Regulations and making bank. I mean, uh, there is an audience for that thing, I am sure. You, have you seen people that have gotten excited for that car?

'Cause I swear I haven't. No, 'cause I don't, I don't speak the language. Oh. Like, it's, so much of it is foreign buyers or people just so far out of my tax bracket that I don't understand [00:41:00] them either. Mm. But it, when, when Porsche came out with the, uh, with the Cayenne, like a lot of people felt similar. Oh, yeah.

They're like, "Yo- I was there ... wh- how is Porsche like... Yo, an SUV? That's against everything they've ever done. That's like destroying the legacy." Meanwhile, that was allowing them to make cars like the- Yeah ... GT3 RS because they were making bank on those things, and people ended up buying them. And I was one of those people.

I was like, "Yo, that's gross. Never. I would never drive that." Yeah. "That belongs in a mall or like dropping kids off at soccer." And now I'm like, "Yo, Cayenne Diesel" Kinda sick Kinda hard Kinda hard The, I've actually been shopping recently Panameras 'cause I just want like a, like a nice, cool- Yeah ... fun sedan.

And when I remember when that thing came out- Oh, yeah ... it was kinda like- Yeah ... looking weird- Yeah ... four door. Like, what is this? You know? And now, yeah. But I want it on record, I'm not defending the Luche at all. No. I think that, I think it looks gross. It's still gross. I gotta put it on record. Matt Farah actually, uh, previously on the podcast, had a really interesting point on the Luche, which he said when they probably started designing [00:42:00] this, the Teslas were selling like absolute hotcakes.

Mm. Right. And they looked at the market and they said, "Well, why don't we just make an expensive Tesla?" And that's kinda what they did. Yeah. And if, if, if... I wonder if the Lucci came out two and a half years ago- Mm. If it would've- Mm ... been accepted differently because Tesla still felt peak. Yeah. Now Tesla is, like, this really weird brand that, like, I think everyone hates.

Ah, yeah. Like like its own- Yeah ... owners hate it. Yeah. Unfortunately. Yeah, like For however many reasons, and it just kinda became a commuter car, right? Like, when you first- It- ... saw Teslas on the road you're like, "That's really special." Now it's like, "Bro, another one?" Like, and they all drive- Like to me- ... horrible.

To me, there's no difference between them and, like, a Citi Bike or, like, a whatever the, like, the, the Lime scooters. Like, it's literally just transportation. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. That gets you A to B. And then I think Lucid came in and, like, really flipped lids on a lot of people 'cause the- Yeah, and, and Rivian.

And Rivian, for sure. I mean, from the truck side- Yeah, yeah ... but, like, visually. But the Lucid, like, I think it's the fastest- Crush it ... EV ever. I know. It's, like, a eight second car. Have, have you [00:43:00] driven one? No. I haven't driven one, but a few people have told me... 'Cause I always am like, I just don't like how heavy and- Yeah

like, I just don't enjoy the weight and the mass of driving an EV, no matter how- Mm ... fast it is. I don't care that it can make you throw up 'cause it's so quick. Like, that's just not interesting to me. But a lot of people are like, "You should drive the Lucid whatever, Sapphire, Air." I'm- Yeah, yeah ... probably getting it wrong.

But they're like, "That, they actually figured out how to make that thing handle well." Absolutely. Although, I like the 5N. I thought the 5N was- The IONIQ 5 N was great ... a good handling, but, you know. You know. Is that the one that shifts? Yes. Sure. The IONIQ 5 N? That's the only- Simulated shifts ... shift. Yeah, that's the only one people have said, "Oh, yeah, I like it."

Yeah. Yeah. That's so funny that that's, like, the thing that catches on. It's, but it's- But it also handles really well. Yeah. And Pikes Peak going on right now, like, there's a, there's a 5N at Pikes Peak that's doing really well right now. This is where we have to remind him that- Yeah ... he holds the record for the fastest EV up Pikes Peak- You

in a 5N. Still to this day. Yeah, did you not know that? I totally didn't know 'cause it was EV related. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No goats. So [00:44:00] that was gonna be- No goats ... my next question, um- Yeah, is like, speak for the generation on EVs. Yes. The, the, the council for the sub 30s. Uh, how do you guys feel- ... about EVs? I mean, I, it's kinda split 'cause, you know, you got the Cybertruck lovers and the stuff like that.

Yeah. But I think it goes down to emotion. If, if a car could bring out emotion, it doesn't matter what it can do. It, it- Mm. It'll have someone... Emotion just makes people stick. Yeah. So- Mm ... I just love sound, as you can tell. Like- Yeah ... just that type of thing. So it just doesn't do anything for me personally.

What... Can you, can you explain the Cybertruck to me from your point of view? Dude, like, I can't. All right. Yo, it turns out we got a lot more in common. Apparently we all have a lot in common here. We got a lot in common here. Yeah, yeah. I like it. I like it. Yeah. Uh- I, I appreciate the boldness of it. You know, you can always appreciate that.

Of course. But that's as far as it goes on the scale. Yeah, it's a weird boldness though. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like- It's a boldness just to be bold. Yeah. Yeah. It's like that friend that's really bold, and

then you're like, "I don't really... Like, he's not really my friend." Yeah. Yeah. Yep, yep, exactly. [00:45:00] You know? Yeah. Um- Let me, let me... I wanted to a- ask you guys something. Yeah, let's do it. I mean- We gotta talk about the way the economy is right now and, like, how everything is super, super expensive. Mm. Yeah. Did it feel...

I feel like cars are running away from me. Like, I'm trying to save up money- Yeah ... and like I'm- Yeah ... I see them, like disappearing 'cause they're getting so expensive. Mm-hmm. Like, did you guys feel any of that pressure when you were, like, 27? No, you're fucking cooked, bro. Damn. Um, I definitely didn't. I felt like cars were, there was a whole collection of cars that got cheaper by the year, right?

Mm. Like, you looked at a new car, and you're like, you looked at something brand new and you thought, "Okay, in five years from now, that's gonna cost this, and in 10 years from now, it's gonna cost this." So for example, my first car was a Volkswagen Golf. I bought it in 1997. It was a 1995. The car sold new for 18 grand, and I bought it for 10.

Oh, wow. Like, think of how [00:46:00] fast that depreciation was, right? So, like, I was able to get into something that was only two years old, and I don't know, and then that you could buy a Volkswagen Golf for, like, 500 bucks. I mean, you still kind of can in some places. Yeah. But it just felt like there wasn't this collector market around- Yeah

the cars I cared about. Like, the collector market- Mm ... was '69 Camaros. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, like, way, way, way older things. And I guess if you put the math on it now, it seems that way. But there are cars that literally sell new, like the GR, that go up in price. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Like markups on low price cars didn't r- that wasn't a thing when I was younger.

Yeah. Hmm. Like the markup thing has gone kind of crazy. So I do f- like, you guys are definitely feeling a, a massive burn there. Yeah, man, 'cause I'm, like, trying to stack and then- Yeah ... you look the next month, and it's like the car you want is, like, double the price. It pops up. You're like, "Bro, dang." I sent Vinny a post today- And then it's like, out

'cause a bunch of cars sold over the weekend, and I, I just, it's like, what am I... Like, I haven't, whenever I've been paying attention, the GT3RSs are selling for 700,000. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, wow. And, like, I [00:47:00] forget which Ferrari it was, but it sold for, like, 1.2 million. Yeah. And it was, like, a 458 or something, and I was like- Yeah.

It wasn't even anything super crazy ... and I was like, what, what? Yeah. Like, what, how did that happen? It, it just goes nuts. I, for me, I feel you 100% 'cause I watched it happen right before my eyes. So Fast and the Furious came out in the theaters when I was in, just started high school, like somewhere right around there, and I was like, "Bro, Mark 4 Supra, I need one."

And this was before YouTube. Mm. So there was a website called StreetFire.net w- that posted just street racing stuff. So sick, yeah. And so there were like big- Yo, just moment of silence. What a, what a great, what a great page. It just sounds cool. Fantastic. Yeah. It was like, it was like 1320, but pre-YouTube, you know?

Yeah. The videos were two inches by two inches. Yeah. Every, e- everything- What? Every, all the vibe that you kind of go for, like, if you looked at Street Fire, everybody had a DV camera, and that's it. I bet it's on Way- Like, that's what they were supp- I bet it's on Wayback Machine. It's gotta be somewhere.

Yeah. Um, and so I was like, "Oh my God, I need a [00:48:00] Mark 4 Supra. I need an FDRX7," and when I was in high school, the, you, you could find a Mark 4 Supra twin turbo six speed for probably 30 grand And I would be like, "Let's go right now. Let's get this." Yo, they actually dropped, 'cause when we first started Hoonigan, um, I- every day I used to say to, to Hert, I'm like, "We should buy Supras now."

'Cause they had got to, like, 15, 16 grand, and I'm like, "They're... You'd... Like, they are so cheap." They were crazy cheap. I was like, "We should buy Supras now." Yeah. And instead he bought an FDRX-7, which was a good buy- Yeah ... 'cause he bought it for, like, five grand. Um, m- yeah. Yeah, exactly. What? And we were sitting there...

I mean, it was a little rough, but still, he got it for f- it was a complete car. But, and then all of a sudden it was like boom, boom, boom. Yeah. It was like, oh, it's a 20,000, it's a 30, it's a f- 50, it's a 60. Mm-hmm. Like, oh, there's one for under a grand. And every, for every raise I ever got, every whatever, like the Mark IV, it was just boom, boom, just, like, just out of reach.

And then, you know, by the end of it, like, once I could, I, I'd had other interests. Yeah. But, like, that feeling of like, ah, I just can't... I'm right there- Yeah ... but I just can't catch it. Yeah. Like, it's [00:49:00] brutal, man. It's brutal. And now watching what all cars are doing, it's crazy. Like, I, I, I got a, a JZX 90 when, like, I started getting into drifting really heavy and watching all the stuff in Japan, and they were all running JZXs, beater cars, whatever.

Yeah. They still do that to this day. Yeah. And so the first year that I was able to bring one in, I brought it in. I got a Mark II Tourer V with 40,000 miles on it for 14 grand. Bro. Twin turbo, immaculate car, and, like, I sold it not long after that for 28. I was like, "Yo, this is crazy." Yo. Yeah. I have to, like, I don't know, find homies that will just- No

"Could you give it to me at the- Right ... early 2000s price?" Yeah. Well, like, I, I wonder- The time machine price ... it, it's funny 'cause just a few weeks ago I went to go look to see what the pricing was around, like, muscle cars, and, like, they've settled a little bit. Yeah. But they're not, like, a... They're not- They haven't tanked

they're n- they haven't tanked, so it's like, it's kind of unfortunate because I [00:50:00] think to the point you make of, like, modern-day supercars aren't that exciting anymore, a lot of modern-day cars are just not, like- Yeah ... filling the interest. Yeah. So a lot of people are buying older. Yeah. And it just, it's blowing up.

Like, the gap has gotten a lot smaller. Like, it used to be cars that were 25 to 30 years old were going back up in value. Now it's, like, cars that are anything made before 2010- Yeah ... is where the value is. Yeah. And because while supercars may have stayed cool through to 2020, let's be honest, like, most regular cars kind of fell off after 2010.

Yeah. Yeah, they did. And everyone, I think, started to realize that these are all going away, we're gonna hoard them all. Yeah. So, yeah. But also, I think you get to a point where, like, everything up until now, this kind of goes into your point of there's nothing being made new now that's, like, raw and manual and exciting.

Yeah. In the past it was like E36 M3. Again, I'll use the same example. Every car kind of hits the bottom of that depreciation [00:51:00] curve where it starts to become acceptable, uh, uh, accessible to kids that have no money and a ton of style, right? And they- Mm ... they buy that car, they make it really sick, and then everybody's like, "Oh, wait, those are cool."

Yeah. "I'ma jump in on that." And then it shoots up again. And then you see that happen generally, generationally. I'm seeing that happen to the '92 M3. Yes. Used to be able to ... I know you're, I know you're right. Hold on. I'm, I'm letting you, I'm letting you cook, bro. And- Keep going. Keep going ... what is that next one?

Like, are, is the F80 or, or the G80 M3 ever gonna be that cheap? And even if it is, or, like, what do you turn it into? Or are they gonna be expensive forever? I don't know. That's the tough part for your generation. Like, what's that new trick car? Do you know what we are experiencing right now? Automotive gentrification.

Oh. Cool kids are making shitty cars cool again, and then uncool kids run the prices up. Yeah. It's fucking Brooklyn all over, guys. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it is. But, I mean, that's a tale as old as time, you know? Like, [00:52:00] that, that's been, that's been going on forever, but I think that supply has dried out to me. Like, sure, the GR86, the GR Corolla, the Supra.

Wow, all Toyota products. Yeah. When in our generation, Toyota made nothing cool. Yeah. Oh, what? Yo- Nah, Toyota had, Toyota had a drought for like 10 years- This is a tangent, but- ... man, it was bad ... when I got in the car world and I was in magazines, Toyota had nothing cool. They had no performance cars. They, well, they had- By the way-

the MR S. Not a performance car. And I have to say it 'cause I can feel Nick staring in the back- The Celica. The Celica GTS. Yeah, I know. AKA the Celica. I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it was only cool in Europe. Oh. Yeah. Let's take a quick break, and we'll come back. All right. Okay. By now you might have realized I really enjoy European things.

I mean, my cars are European. My tools are European. I mean, my producer, he's, he's British, which I think is still European. That was rude, but go on. Did I tell you what I did this weekend? What did you do? So I decided that I'm gonna actually park the [00:53:00] Vanagon for a little bit and get back to driving the RS2, like literally knock the dust off of it.

And to do that, I figured I'd do a little preventive maintenance. It's not something I think of when I think of you, dude. Yeah, you see the problem is that car gets a lot of things right, but there's this one issue where the strut bearings just constantly fail, especially if the car is, like, slammed on its nuts like mine is.

So I ordered a set of strut bearings from FCP Euro, got them, and was gonna swap them out, and I stripped this really annoying nut. Like, seriously, curse the German engineer who designed this. It's like a weird half castle nut. It requires this weird specialty tool, and if you put too much force on it, it gives up.

So anyway, uh, I stripped that, and now my car was on a jack stand. And honestly, I was about to just leave it there, like I've left many other projects to die. But it's the RS2, so headed in, went to FCPeuro.com, found the part. Because they had it in Arizona, they were able to overnight it to me. Boom, I had it the next day at my farm.

Got the car back on the road. [00:54:00] It was awesome. FCP Euro most likely has the parts you need and can get them to you pronto. You know, so you can keep driving the cool cars. That's what matters. All right, so let's bring up a, let's bring up a touchy sub- subject now that we've had some snacks. So I know early on you saw a lot of takeover stuff, or some of it.

Yeah. Like, where, where did your, where's your opinion on that then, now, all that? 'Cause- Man. Yeah. Yeah. Takeovers, man, I'm sorry, but right now from- Pretty... Okay, takeovers didn't even get popular until after COVID. Yeah. Like, you know? Before, like I said, it was just car meets and people would do burnouts at the end.

Mm-hmm. But since the streets were so empty- Mm ... during COVID, and there was nothing else to do, everyone would come out, like, and just drive on... And then, like, cops wouldn't come for two hours, I remember being out there. And so it felt, for the first couple years during COVID, I'm not gonna lie, the definition of a takeover was, uh, a little different.

I mean, in the Bay Area they call them sideshows. [00:55:00] Yep. Mm-hmm. Uh, but I mean, people were hanging out there. I went to a sideshow in 2006, so. Oh, wow. Yeah, y- if, it's, it was kinda like that vibe, I hope. It was more like a- It was- ... party vibe than a- It was very much like a party, and it ki- Yeah ... it was, like, industrial areas.

Yeah, yeah. People were, nobody was stepping in front of cars. Yeah. It, like, wasn't a thing. Like, pe- it was just- There was, like, a respect still ... it was- Like, now it's just complete disrespect- Yeah ... to everybody and everything. Mm. And I don't stand for that, and I started realizing that after COVID. It's funny 'cause I, I have a story of the last time I sh- took photos at a takeover- Hm

which was in 2022, and I parked my car next to a fire hydrant, and this is when the task forces started coming out and stuff. And my car wasn't blocked in, but I was right next to them, so we all, all my friends ran into the store, and we just waited it out, and then we came back outside. And of course, like, my ca- my car started and the cops were like, "Hey."

And then one of the cops actually [00:56:00] pointed a gun at me- Mm ... believe it or not. Whoa. And he was like, "Get out of the car." And he, luckily he saw my photos, and he knew who I was, and was like- Oh, no way. Yeah, and he was like, "Yeah, I've seen your work. Like, it's very nice." 'Cause he pulled me out, and, like, they were arresting everybody that they found.

Oh, so he pulled a gun and then complimented you after? Yeah, he pulled a... He was like, "Get out of the car. Put the keys," whatever. Yeah, yeah. And then he told me- I'm gonna let you go this time 'cause I really like your work, and if I ever catch you out here, I'm gonna arrest you like those guys over there." Wow.

And then after that I was like, "Yeah, it's not even worth it, bro." Like, I, if a cop is telling me that and not arresting me and all that, and I, I sh- I should probably focus on better things than this. Yeah. And then I did, and then overall, like, takeovers just started getting worse and worse, and I'm glad I exited that, that realm because it's, it's just gotten really bad.

Like- Oh yeah. I, yeah, I don't defend takeovers, for sure. Like, right now at all. Like, uh, it's, it's pretty sad, honestly. No, and like, I, [00:57:00] you know, as a once journalist, like, and that's why I went to a sideshow 'cause it was like I wanna tell a story- Yeah ... of the culture like how it was. Mm-hmm. And it felt very different then.

Yeah. And I don't wanna be the like, "In my generation, when we did what we did- Yeah ... we did it safe." Um- But it's true. Yeah. I mean, I, for me, I got involved in around street racing in like the late '90s, and Fast and Furious ruined street racing. Because street racing used to be like really organized in New York, and there was a bunch of like old heads, like old Italian mobster dudes who would fuck you up if you tried to act fucking dumb, right?

Like, there was just a, like a code of the streets going out racing, and then all of a sudden Fast and Furious came out, and everybody thought that it was gonna look like that. Mm. Oh, wow. So, like, you know, a lot more people started to show up, and like, people were just like wilding for no reason, and like- That's kind of, it's funny, like I guess that's like- The social media, I feel like social media ruined- Yeah.

I don't even like [00:58:00] saying takeovers anymore, it sucks so bad, but- Yeah. I'll just say sideshows, it sounds a little better. But I think social media definitely ruined that culture of at least drifting. It was like- Yeah ... it was my experience of drifting, because obviously in Japan, when they go out into the streets, they are very respectful.

It's just Japanese culture in general. Yeah. But here, you know, it's just no one gives a Well, and, and I'm sure at a certain point- It's up to something ... like, I, I've never, I don't think I've ever been to a sideshow, uh, or a takeover or any of that. But I get the feeling of like when you were going there originally, it was about like who could put on the best show, right?

And then at a certain point it's like who can get the best clout. Yeah. Like, you get clout chasers that are like- Yeah, yeah, yeah ... I need to see someone get flipped upside down. Yeah. I need to see a car on fire. I n- and, and it just like that one-upman shit every time- Yeah ... just ruins things. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm gonna ask the oldest man question that's gonna get asked tonight.

All right. [00:59:00] All right, so I need to understand, I, well, I guess the part for me, like I get, um, like I, I understand the attraction of the sideshow takeover. Like, I, I understand like it's lawless, it feels wild. Like, I did shit like that growing up as a kid. Not that particularly, 'cause honestly, we didn't really understand that cars drifted back then.

Yeah, yeah. But like, but like I was in, like, I remember, like I could understand the excitement. I remember going to punk shows that were like outlaw shows or outlaw raves or things like that, and it just was like this mass energy, right? It was the same thing, the energy, you know? Yeah, and like you, you, it feels so cool and you, like there's this like, "Oh man, we're about to get caught."

Like I, I, I know and I understand that excitement. I think when things started to get to the point where it's like I don't get this was when people were like purposefully trying to like step out in front of cars. And like this, I, like I realize that this may be the old man side of me, but I'm like, I don't, I just do not understand that.

It's- Do you understand [01:00:00] it? Okay, so that obviously, when I... That didn't really even start happening until I left that scene. Right. So I remember I've only seen one person get smacked. That's what we call it, get backer smacked. I feel like now that's like the thing, or maybe that's just what makes it to social.

Yeah. 'Cause like my entire understanding of takeovers now is literally just seeing it on social. That's pretty much it, yeah. Or seeing the aftermath in my neighborhood, right? Like that's it. Yeah. Or hearing it at night. But it just seems like, that's just crazy to me. Like- Yeah, no, I, and I can't relate to any of that.

Like, I would never wanna even- Want to get smacked in the first place? Yeah. I- Yeah, I can't imagine. When I was going, it was literally a circle, and, like, the cars would get close to you, but obviously if you know how to slide a car- Yeah, yeah ... you can kind of get close. Mm. But I mean, towards the end, yeah, when that clout started, like, seeping- Yeah

into that community, there were definitely people, like, trying to get close, trying to get the angle- Yeah ... and all that stuff, and it would be, like, the worst video ever. But then yeah, I remember when I did see this dude get smacked, he got up and he was cheering. He was like, [01:01:00] "Yes, I got smacked." Wow. I was like, okay, like- That's crazy

and then a month later I had a gun to my head, so I was like, "I need to get the frick out of here." You know, I, I feel like the internet, well, social media, not just the internet, but social media kind of supercharges the, the timeline of all this stuff. Same exact thing happened with builds, right? Like, to us 500 horsepower was a lot back in the day, right?

And now we're in a time where if you're not making 1,200, like, what are you, what are you doing? Like, when are you- Like, what are we- I love that three months ago it was 1,000. Like, it's already in ... The inflation is just- Yeah ... already hitting horsepower numbers ... 'cause like, you have GTRs and then you have like, you know, Nelson Racing engines doing 2,000 plus horsepower.

Like, it, it, it's gotten nuts, right? And with takeovers, I'm sure it was the same thing. Like, at first, yeah, it feels cool. Like, oh, damn, okay, there's an empty intersection, let's get a couple cars, you know, go around. Well, it wasn't even ... Like, the, the ... I think the intersection part of takeovers started happening, and that was when it got bad.

Mm. Like, 'cause you know, like, like- Agreed, 'cause it used to be industrial parks. Yeah, and the cops [01:02:00] used to pull up and it w- they would know. Like, like- Or that one spot in Compton. Yeah. I for- the one that was next to, um, 686. Yeah, yeah. Right? I mean, I ... Most people, I think, in LA know that spot. Like, that's like the famous spot.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it had been going forever. Yeah. Yeah. And the cop ... You know, everyone knows. Even the cops know. Yeah. And we're out of harm's way. And there's no one there at night. Yeah. Like, very ... You're not impeding- It's warehouses and like ... Yeah ... you're not impeding ambulances or buses. Yeah. But then it became more of, like, a weird, like

I think the excitement was not the activity, the excitement was like, we're fuck- we're taking over. Yeah. I think that's the word, takeover. Yeah. Like, we're- It sucked, yeah ... fucking up the city. We're- That's why I like sideshows way better, 'cause that ... I feel like sideshows was before takeovers. Now they call them takeovers.

No, no, sure. So, yeah. Sideshows are part of the- Yeah ... DNA from back in the '80s, '90s. It was like the punk shows you were talking about, but with cars. Mm. But now it's, it's not like that at all. Like, I don't ... Yeah, I don't ... I f- I don't even want to talk about it. No, for sure. But, but it is, it is, like- Yeah, but it's important.

It's important ... it is a really important thing, because at first it was annoying, it was whatever. [01:03:00] Like, we were just old man yelling at a cloud. And realize, we were running Hoonigan at the time. Oh, yeah. And we're doing Burn Yard, which looks, has a lot of similar activities in it. Yeah. For All Intense and Purposes, like- I mean, a lot better drivers.

Yeah. But like, in All Intense, right, like, felt similar. Yeah. But we were also the ones sitting there being like, "You need to keep this shit the fuck off the streets." Yeah. "'Cause, like, this is bad for all of us." Yeah. "Like, this doesn't work out for anyone." But like we were talking about, you know, before the pod, like, people watch that and they see the energy, they see the excitement, they see the style.

They wanna do that. Yeah. Nobody has a private yard that they could dr- most people don't have a private yard that they could do this stuff in. Yeah. So they just wanna do it wherever. And then you have, like, Challengers and Charger Hellcats, like- Yeah ... you have access to this stuff. Yeah. And it, it, it gets out of hand.

But what really sucked for us was when you have police out there that see any car that's modded And they're like, "Takeover." Yeah. "Takeover, takeover, takeover." It doesn't matter if it's Scotto's 360, it doesn't matter if it's my Lancia. If it's got an exhaust, if it's [01:04:00] loud, they're like, "You're a part of that crew now," and that sucks.

My Rabbit, I'm like, "This ain't taking over shit, bro." Right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and like, and like, that is brutal for car community in general. Yeah. We- I think we all as a car community, 'cause, I mean, who's a car enthusiast that takeover these days, you know? I guess that was what I was gonna ask, was do you feel like there's any car enthusiasts left there?

Like, it's a different type of enthusiast. Yeah, I think, I don't even think it's... I think they just see what cars could do it, which is, like, the G35s and- Yeah ... all that, right? 'Cause you don't see, like- That's gonna be the rarest car in 10 years. They're gonna be- Oh, it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ... they're all, they've all been destroyed at takeovers- Yeah, yeah

or impounded. I watched one get, like, eaten by the machine the other day. I don't know even know where it was, but they were like, "We impounded your car," and then, like, it turns it into, like- Yeah ... just pieces of scrap metal, and like- Wow ... so many G35s are gonna go that route. I'm gonna set a reminder for myself in, like, 15, 20 years.

Yeah. What's the price of G35 coupe? Yeah, it's like- Like, a clean one now ... you're like, "This is one of seven left in silver." Yeah. You're like, "What? That's [01:05:00] the most popular color." Well, you know, they're all gone. Yeah. This one has the Brembo brake package. It's selling for $300,000. Bro, I remember when they were two grand.

At, at Mecum.

Oh. Yeah, no, it's... You know, I, to rewind back to, like, thinking about the kids getting, getting smacked, it's like, it kind of reminds me of in action sports, there were those kids who would just huck themselves. Mm. Like, they weren't actually good at the sport, but they would just send it. Yeah. And I'd be like, "Yo, you literally just came here to break yourself today."

Yeah. "You have no idea what you're doing." Mm-hmm. I guess there's al- I guess there's always gonna be that, like, in every, in every space and every sport. It just, that's the part that, like f- like f- it literally freaks me out. Yeah. And it's also, like, some of these takeovers I've seen, and I'm sure we've all seen this, like, dude gets hit Glock falls out with like- Yeah

an extended 30 clip. Yeah, yeah. And that's- And then you're like, you're like, "What?" Like, "This is insane." Yeah. Well, and that's why you can't be surprised that, like, a cop came up, like- Oh, [01:06:00] yeah ... gun out. Yeah. Because they have no idea. Like, anybody in any of those cars could be strapped as well, and like for them, that's a scary thing to go into, you know?

Yeah. And you know, I was, I was young. You know, I was only 21, 22- Yeah ... back then, and so- And we're not judging you on it- Yeah, no ... 'cause I, at that age, I could, especially as a photographer- Oh, for sure ... like I 100% see the attraction- Oh, yeah. The- ... to go and, and capture that, you know? The photos, I wish I could post them today and show everybody, but you know, like I wouldn't do that.

Yeah. But the photos I would get, like- Save that for a book one day though. I was gonna say, yeah. 'Cause in 20, in, in 10, 15 years from now, hopefully when takeovers are well behind, behind us- Yeah. It seems like they're doing a good job ... there, there's an interesting moment of like before it turned into what it became.

Yeah. Yeah. You know? So. Yeah, I'll hold onto them for now. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe one day you guys will check it out. Do you think- That'd be cool. I would, I would buy that. So I wanna kinda go back to like do you feel like the younger generation feels the same way we do about takeovers, where we're like, "This is really fucking bad and this is like gonna ruin it for everybody," or is there a mix?

I feel like you do have to educate the new car enthusiasts [01:07:00] before they go to a takeover. Mm. Like because- I mean, there are... It's rare that some sick cars go out there, but there still are some good, crazy cars that go out and s- like, whether- Yeah ... they're stolen or not, you know? Yeah. But, uh, I think, yeah, everyone should be educated, like, yo, it sucks that we have no more tracks in the city.

Mm-hmm. But that's also what I'm trying to do. I'm, I recently got a drift car, uh, a 350Z LS swap. Shout out AutoLink, shout out Street Aero. Um, and I wanna try to fi- I mean, there's no tracks left in the city. Yeah. So we need to bring kind of like that Hoonigan culture vibe back- Mm ... like, in order to maybe educate more people on, like, burnout etiquette, honestly.

Like, you know? Yeah, I mean, look, I thought Burnout was, was great when we were doing it, and it was once a month, which was great 'cause it gave the time for that. There were a couple, like, sort of sideshow kids that did come out for it. Um, a [01:08:00] lot of, obviously, drift kids came out for it- Yeah ... and, and kind of did all that.

But we were, like, working with sheriff's department and all of that stuff because we saw the value of, like- Giving people a place to do it. Yeah. You know? And the sheriff's department, you know, and I, I say this a lot, it's like, a lot of guys in the sheriff's department, they're car guys. Yeah. And it's like they enjoy it, too, right?

Mm-hmm. Um, but obviously they'll be, uh, they'll tell you, they're like, "You don't understand, like, we're getting pressure because of these takeovers." Yeah. "And people are upset about them and annoyed and all these issues, and all these videos show up, and w- you know, they're getting sent to the precinct such and such and such."

They're like, "And we have to do something about it." Yeah. But unfortunately, it's like a powder keg at a t- at a takeover. Like, if we roll into a takeover and try to shut it down, there's a really good chance people are gonna get hurt. Mm-hmm. 'Cause people are gonna try to leave and crash into each other or- And it just gets chaos.

And it's chaos. Yeah, yeah. It's true. Yeah. And he's like, and he's like, "There's..." He's like, "We would also need so many cops to do that." Yeah. "So it has to be like a task force type thing to go do it." He's like, "So [01:09:00] instead, like, tickets have to get written." Yeah. And then all of a sudden it's like everyone leaving a Cars and Coffee now gets a ticket.

Yeah. So at the end of the month they can say, "What were you doing about takeovers?" "Oh, well, we ticketed, you know, 1,000 illegally modified cars." And it doesn't really relate And, and, and the, and the people who don't understand the culture go, "Oh, okay, good. Those people." Yeah. And it's like, no, but the thousand people who got ticketed was like Jay Leno leaving Malibu.

Right. You know? Yeah, so I, I think I have to kinda... It's still the same subject, but I'm gonna deviate a little bit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Ron asked me about Alex Choi. Yep. And if you guys don't know me, I used to shoot for Alex Choi. I'm still very cool with him, uh, but I used to do all the videos with him. I've seen the Tesla jump live.

I literally filmed that. That's wild. Um, and, uh, a whole bunch of other things that I'm probably not gonna say right now, but- Yeah, yeah, yeah. As you guys know, Alex is working with CHP now. For the greater good. I don't f- For the greater good. I don't fully know. I like, I actually- That took me by surprise. I had, I had no idea.

Yeah, I [01:10:00] don't know that. I know that he, like, he's built this vehi- this 911. Yeah. Yeah. That like, it kind of... What was that movie with, uh, Jake, with, uh, Jake Gyllenhaal, where he's, like, Nightcrawler? Oh. Oh, yeah. Where he goes and like- Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah ... like, shows up to the crime scenes? That almost sounds like what Alex Choi has been doing recently.

Yeah. Right? It's funny, yeah. He's told me he's been educating these, the highway patrol and cops in general, like, what is an enthusiast car versus a car that you would probably see on the street. Oh, interesting. So I think if a- That's- ... if there's anyone that could probably make a positive impact, it's probably Alex Choi for now.

Wow. That, if, 'cause he's just the closest with CHP and stuff. Yeah. And he's trying to help the community out. I think, uh, up north, uh, Sacramento, I believe. Mm-hmm. They have a legal skid pad- Yep. Yep ... that, you know, like I think- See showing up somewhere. I think we really need one, like, bad, just one spot where everyone can just go to to rip some tires and make that- Absolutely

kind of, like, the car party spot. And I think when cops pull over, like, people and enthusiasts, like, [01:11:00] they're like, "Why are you speeding? Why this?" Like, obviously, it's not okay, but there's n- you have to go so far to a track, at least in SoCal to- Yeah ... you know, let it out, you know? Are you, do you, do you know anything about the history of Brotherhood Terminal Island Raceway?

Nope. Do you know about that? Nope. So, um, I, I don't actually remember exact- I think it was, like, '80s, '90s was when I think it started. Um, there was a group called the Brotherhood of Street Racers. Oh, I've heard of that. I've heard of that. And they worked with, uh, the city, Long Beach, um, to basically take an abandoned piece of property down in Terminal Island and build it into a drag strip.

Wow. And, um, it was after I think Lions closed, and what they, it's really interesting, there's actually an amazing podcast, uh, out there about the Brotherhood. Um, we'll leave it in the show notes, but, um, what was really interesting about it was that, uh- You know, crime's super high. It's like '90s, early 2000s in LA, especially in the Long Beach, Compton [01:12:00] area.

And they start doing these events, and they start to notice that on the nights that they do these events, so doing them on Friday and Saturday, these, like, open kind of drag race events, that they're watching a major drop in crime during- Ooh ... those nights, 'cause it was giving people something to do. Yep.

And it lasted for a really long time, and there's a lot of stories behind the whole thing, but when we were at Hoonigan, we tried to actually try to see if we could revive that, and tried it, 'cause we were in Long Beach and trying to make that work. And we actually had a bunch of good conversations. The problem is that the land wasn't there anymore.

Mm. But there's, it's not an easy thing, 'cause you- Yeah ... gotta get a lot of people involved, and it's not, the po- if the police could do it tomorrow, they would. Mm-hmm. But it's everybody else. Oh. And there's also all the NIMBYs who are like, "I don't want this in- That they just wouldn't, yeah ... I don't want it in my backyard."

Yeah. Yeah. And that's why, like, a place like Terminal Island worked, 'cause it was a shipping terminal- Nobody's backyard ... so there's no, there's no one there. Yeah. Um, so I mean, I, I think that there is a real conversation to be had, and that's what we tried to do with Irwindale, and that's why we made the ticket 10 bucks to get in.

Yeah. 'Cause we didn't want, we wanted it to be [01:13:00] easy barrier of entry for people, like, you know. Mm-hmm. And it w- that was the whole idea, was to give people a place to kind of come and do that before it all goes away. Yeah. And unfortunately, we lost Irwindale. That sucks, man. You know, all these thing- That's brutal

all these things have changed. The loss of Irwindale is brutal. Yeah. But you, so you've pivoted a bit, uh, from doing pure media to, you throw meets now. Yes. I love throwing car meets. It's, I just love car culture in general, and- For sure ... just, I feel like throwing meets fulfills my heart, and seeing people enjoy cars, like, you know?

But I've seen, a- and I don't know if this is, 'cause I'm just going by the content I've seen on your page. Uh, like I've seen you doing a meet at a warehouse, and people throw cars inside of a warehouse. Yeah. And it looks wild. Yeah. Like, that's kind of a sick venue. Like it's, it, it's a cool setup. Like, I mean, that's a possibility.

Yeah. You know? But, like, how, how do you, like you're holding the meet. You now understand the risk of, like, if that turns into a takeover, like you're, you're marked. Yeah. Like that's it. I mean- So [01:14:00] how do you police that now? I, if I'm working with a shop, I tell them to let their police department know, because- Awesome.

Yeah ... I'm on the same page as everybody. Like- If I'm giving you a space to enjoy car culture and stuff, you gotta enjoy it in that space. Don't ruin it for the people outside, you know? Mm. I want people to just come enjoy the sounds and sights of car culture without having to worry about looking over their shoulder for a cop- Mm.

Yeah ... and, and stuff like that. So, uh, I, I want people to enjoy it, but, like, I want cops to make sure everything else is safe as well, so I will gladly- Yeah ... tell the police, like, "We're gonna do this here. If you can let us do that, you, like, that would be, mean the world, and anyone who doesn't listen to that, like, you can pop them if you need to."

Mm. 'Cause, yeah, we're all just here- Yeah ... just to enjoy cars, you know? We used to have a huge sign up at 621 Golden that said, "Don't fuck it up for the rest of us." Yeah. Yeah. It only takes one person, so. Yeah, and then it chain reacts from there. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so I usually handpick [01:15:00] most of the cars that go into the warehouse or the show.

Oh, interesting. Including, like, drivers. Like, let's say we're at a drift- So it's, like, curated and stuff. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like, I won't let, like... Like, I need to see proof that you know what you're doing if you're trying to go and drive, and like- Yeah ... you know, I just gotta see- Yeah ... you really know what you're doing.

Huh. How many meets are you doing? Like, are you doing, like, one a month? Like, what's the- I'm working towards one a month. Uh, right now I'm doing one, like, every couple months, just because I'm working on getting a team. You actually, this has nothing to do with uh, like cars aren't, well, the pod right now, but you were talking at a convention, and I know that you need a team to succeed in, like, social media and, like, a l- a b- a much, a lot of things, and this is one of those things where I need a team of people to help me curate and make this car be- Make your, make your vision happen

go bigger, yeah. Could, I could at least do it more often, you know? For sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. For sure. Yeah, I think what we're, uh, getting to is the brotherhood of Chazzy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You ma- you make a, a new skid pad, we find a spot, [01:16:00] and that's it. You, you, you make it happen. Maybe one day, yeah.

The ci- the city needs it, and look, I mean, you know, after the pod, I'll, I'll connect you with people I've already been having the conversation with, 'cause they keep coming to me and I'm like, "Bro, I'm 46." Like, no one... Like, the people who care about me ain't doing that anymore. Yeah, yeah. You know? Yeah. But I, I, I, like, I am a big...

I, like, we had this saying in the early, early days of Hoonigan, which is something we stole from skateboarding, which was like, "Hooning is not a crime." Mm. Obviously, a lot of hooning is a crime. Yeah. Right? Hooning on the street. Right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But the concept of it, and the concept of skateboarding is not a crime, is, like, inherently the activity is not criminal.

Yeah. It's not murder. It's not assaulting someone. Yeah. The activity, it's where you do it, but unfortunately, the whole thing ends up getting criminalized. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So at a certain point, and, like, that's how, you know, a lot of things started to feel, where it was like, whether you were like, "I don't street race, but I'm still labeled as that because I have a car that looks that way."

Mm-hmm. Right? [01:17:00] Yeah. Or, "I don't, you know, I, I drive a drift car, but everyone thinks I'm doing street drift or whatever," and it's like there's, like, elements of, like- gaining this back where, like, enthusiasts don't feel like criminals. Yeah. And like right now I think, I, I think in LA, like, y- it feels pretty criminal right now.

Yeah, it does. Oh, for sure. Like, I even, like, drive cars of mine that, like, aren't that wild, like my RS2, and I'll be- You're looking over your shoulder ... I'll be in front of CHP, like CHP will be behind me, and I'm like, "Is today the day?" Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You know? It's on today. That, that, that's a crazy thing.

Yeah. Like, you're, you're, you're doing no harm to anybody around you, but like you feel like, "Yo, am I gonna get pulled over right now?" Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 'Cause you gotta run through everything on this car. Yeah, yeah. I gotta deal with all this stuff. Yep, yep. And it's like, "What? I'm just driving." Yeah. I mean, driving the E92 M3, I mean, it's, it's got some type of exhaust.

Yours is a target. You know? It's, it's a target. So, so I mean, that's where the valves come in, you know? But- Oh, true, yeah ... um, like when... I've gotten pulled over, like, twice and- We all have. On the way here today. Yeah, yeah. And, and the cop was like... He, he, I mean, he was nice. He was like, "Nice car. [01:18:00] Your car's just a little loud."

And I was like, "Oh, um, sorry about that, officer." You know, just be nice. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And then, you know, some officers now are starting to know the difference. Mm. I don't know if Alex Choi has a- Yeah, Alex Choi's been doing the thing, yeah ... a part in it, but, but hopefully he, he's doing his part with it. But I hope more cops, especially highway patrol, like, just realize, like, we just like cars because we- We're not all bad.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now I feel like I have to get Alex on the show to talk to him about that. That's actually, like, quite interesting. You should, yeah. Yeah, it's inter- I, I've never actually met him. I know he's, he did stuff with us, but I just wasn't there on the day. Mm. So. Although that, that Tesla thing annoys me, 'cause that's the kind of thing that makes it hard for me to do my job.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 'Cause then I go to cities, and they're like, "Oh, you're not gonna have, uh, copycats?" Yep. Exhibit A. San Francisco 2012. And now- Yeah ... we're like, "Ugh." Ugh. Yeah. Yeah. So. At your meets now, like what, what's the kind of person that's showing up? 'Cause like I'm not gonna lie, like a nighttime meet for me, I'm like, "I don't know," like, "How late am I gonna [01:19:00] be out?"

You know? I got stuff to do tomorrow. My car is not, like, cool enough for that crowd. Like, tell, tell me about- I don't even have underglow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway. We're gonna talk about all that stuff soon. When, when you're older, you get super into motorsport- Uh-huh ... for the most part. Uh, w- who's... What's the crowd showing up?

Like, what type of cars, what type of people at your meets? Um, I... It's all types of cars. All over? All... Uh, yeah, all over. You got lowriders. You got old school- Oh, really? ... you got new schools. You got the occasional hypercar sometimes- Mm ... like if that guy has time, you know? Oh, see I, I would've thought it was, like, really hypercar heavy, but it's not.

It's everything, man. Okay. Anything that just... Like the last meet I had, I had a four-rotor RX-7 pull up- Mm ... and just spitting flames for everybody, and like- That's cool ... that was the star of the show. Wow. And then other times, like I'll invite, like, my homie Devon who has, like, Pagani Zonda and be like, "Yo, let me, let's bring that to a meet," you know?

Mm. Um, but- Yeah, everyone pulls up. Uh, very respectful, all ages. You got people like you guys, and then you got people that are- Old that are here. Yeah, you got, like, kids that are- [01:20:00] Y'all dudes ... like, seven, eight years old. That's cool. And they all, like, just love it. Like, you know, kids have phones these days.

They're recording, trying to vlog. Like, you know, the car culture is definitely at its peak as popularity goes a lot. Mm. And yeah, I, I, I hope it, it keeps growing. You know, you said before, and I actually thought this was really funny 'cause I think about it now, and I've never thought about this before, but, like, in your era, so, like, from when you first get your car till you're about 30, like, you're hyper into, like, the flashiness of cars.

Mm-mm. Right? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Like, they shoot fire. Yeah. Like, they do this, they make cool noises. Deep dish chromes. Yeah, yeah. The colors. Like, right, the chrome, the underglow, all of that. Like, I was into all of that. Yeah. And then in your 30s you think you're gonna be a race car driver. Yeah. You get hyper into motorsports.

Mm. And then in your 40s, you just start collecting rare parts. Like like, like- I see this, uh- ... all the hype is gone and you're just like, "Hey, you see this intake manifold? The, this is one of six." Yeah. Yeah. Like, like, these become the things you care about later. Like, 'cause I think that that's, like, the weird pace.

Dude- Not that I [01:21:00] still don't enjoy a bit of flash and still have weird aspirations- Yeah ... to go race cars, but, like, the things I, like, they shift. It's, it's amazing, uh ... Or, or Brian Henderson, you know- Yeah ... BBS, KW, he just posted a story the other day with a new speed steering wheel, and he's like, "If anybody has a matching shift knob..."

This dude has had, like, Ferrari FF, an RS6, and whatever. No- Yeah ... he's building, like, an old Volkswagen for the vibes, you know? Yeah. And, and searching for that one- He's building it for my car show ... shift knob. Is he really? 'Cause he needs, 'cause he hasn't got accepted yet. That's amazing. But I'm like, this dude could have any car.

This dude could build anything. Yeah. And he's looking for one shift knob that was made in the '90s- Whoa ... that's, like, black and red leather, you know? Like, he just gets to that point. Yeah. Yeah. Super nostalgia stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Do you even know the brand New Speed by any chance? I, I literally don't. I...

New Speed was, like, really hype in late '90s, early 2000s in, like, mostly Volkswagen, but they also did Honda [01:22:00] parts and stuff like that. Mm. Yeah. But they were, like, they were, like, just this... I don't know. It was cool. I got one, I got one real quick. What's your, uh, of Scotto's car collection, what's the coolest one to you?

Oh, man. Uh, I mean, the RWB's a piece of history. First in the US, one of- Mm-hmm ... yeah, one of the first in the US at least, and honestly, that car just looks so cool. Like, so much presence. I appreciate that. Yeah, it's one ... It's, it's probably my favorite. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I ... The Ferrari's cool, too. Yeah, it's, it's whatever.

But, yeah. It doesn't ... The Ferrari for me doesn't have as much history. It's not like- I bring this up because when we were starting the pod, Scotto had me pull out the RWB 'cause you weren't here, and, uh, and Chaz was, like, shooting it, but then he puts his phone down. The car was still running. I was still doing the thing, and he's like, "Yo, this thing's so dusty."

He's like, "Does Scotto ... Like, does he just not drive it? Like, what's wrong with it?" I was like, "Nothing's wrong with it." I'm like, "Scotto has the 360. He's got the RWB. He's got the RS2. You know what he drives all the time? [01:23:00] Either the Golf ... the Rabbit, sorry- Yeah ... or the diesel van or, like, whatever, the Vanagon."

And I'm just like, "That's Ron. That's Ron." I drive the RS2 as well, but yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You do. You do sometimes. Yeah, but his mind was blown at how much dust was on- Yeah, I'm like, bro, I could literally have a layer of dust on my finger just from one touch. Oh, no, it's really bad. It's, it's really bad at the moment.

I, I ... It's, it's pretty bad. Yeah. Yeah. I was actually gonna wash it today, and then I didn't. But- To be fair, it is super dusty in this part of Long Beach. Oh, okay. Like, it's- Yeah, 'cause we get ... We got the chem trails. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Coming down every day. Yeah. All right, we're gonna take a quick break. Ken?

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Anyway, find them and plenty of other applications at kwsuspenions.com. So Ron, what's your favorite car of my collection? Oh, wow. That's a good question. Um, wasn't expecting that. I, I will, I have to say it's the RWB, but for reasons other than it being an RWB. Yeah. Like, I think the package that you got, like, the, it, the X50 is what it was.

Uh, mine's the NDL- Oh ... dealership package, yeah ... X50 was on the 996 Turbo. Yeah. You had the NDL, like, that's really cool, and that's rare. And that, that car is that, like, Widowmaker era, where that thing killed so many dentists and doctors, you know? I almost killed Ron in that car. He did. We spun on Queens Boulevard fully backwards arriving at a stoplight.

Well [01:26:00] over, well over- Whoa ... well over 350s. 'Cause he was like, yo, he just got these, um, CCW wheels on it. Yeah. And they had, they came from a buddy of ours. His dad did a ton of track days, and it had these, like, old track tires that were blue, like, crusty, whatever. But you had to put the wheels on. Yeah. Had to put the wheels on, and I had no idea what it took- And this was-

to heat up track tires. Oh, man ... this was pre, this was pre-RWB. This was before it had the fenders, anything. It was, it was, you know, crispy car. Okay, okay. And, uh, and he's like, "Yo, you need to ride in this thing. Like, you, you... It, this thing pulls." And I was like, "All right, cool." So we go on Queens Boulevard, first gear, second gear, wa-choo, you know, turbo noises, everything.

And it's like, oh, shit, red light, and then hits the brakes, whoop. Dude, it happened so fast. The spin happened so fast, we had no idea. And, like, bro, there was this- It was a movie at the end ... there was this chick at the red light, and we're like, ah, backwards. And I'm looking at her, she's looking at me. We- And Scotto-

perfectly next to her. Next to her. Like, like backwards. We're [01:27:00] just backwards at the light. Like, just, just backwards at the light. And, and Scotto, like, he had just barely owned the car, and it stalled. And he's like trying to turn it on but the key's over here- He's on the wrong side ... and like all, and then we drive away.

It's like the whole ride back was like, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig, dig as flat spotted all the tires. And I'm like, "Bro, you almost lost this thing." Yeah. Yeah. You just got it. Yeah. And you almost lost this car. Yeah. It's literally the, I think the only time I've ever driven home with the radio off with a friend in the car.

Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was silent. It was silent. Yeah. But still, I, that's my favorite car. Like, it's so raw. Like, you really need to know what you're doing. You need to respect the car. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Like, you ju- you get in a car these days, like, I, I haven't driven an F80, but you know, I'm sure you get behind the wheel and it's like all the nannies are on.

You could be an idiot. You could be, not know what you're doing. Yeah. Yeah. That thing, you have to respect that car. Even under braking apparently. Yeah. Especially when you're on- Yeah ... cold race tires. Yeah. Yeah. What- What, what do you think, what do... And you have to speak for the entire generation right now.

All right. All right. I feel like your [01:28:00] entire generation hates RWB right now. What? Yeah. Am I wrong there? I mean- Because of like, I think, like, it felt like it got oversaturated, and then there was, like, the whole Makai gluing on the thing. Mm. And then, like, internet just exploded. But maybe that's actually my generation.

So- I'm not really sure, or maybe it's your generation ... 'cause I disagree. I think it's the millennials that are anti- So it's your generation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Anti-RWB- Yeah ... because for whatever reason, like, it got super hyped. I think we look at, like, the RWBs as, like, works of, works of art honestly. So it's still cool to you.

Yeah. And so the, the, the gap- The style thing ... the gap is on the- It's the style thing. Yeah, it's the bolt. It doesn't matter how you get there, it matters the presence and the style that you have. Yeah. I don't think, like, you could still rice out a car, but I don't know if rice applies as hard as it used to.

Mm. Mm. Like, I, if it was up to me, I would put, I, I, if I can, for a C5 for example bro, I would put, like, spinners on it, chrome wheels. Like low, make sure it's lower, like, halfway pop-up headlights. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, bring some, like, I would put, like, crazy paint on it [01:29:00] too, like, if I could just do that, you know?

I just, I love- Man ... underglow as well. Like, I'm glad underglow is kind of making a comeback. I hope spinners do as well. Like, someone should- Yo ... start doing that. Like- I, I went to Hert a long time ago now, it's like six or seven years ago. And I was like, "We should start, like, a drift wheel spinner company."

Yeah. I'm like, "This would kill." Like, let's do that. I would, I would, I would be down. 'Cause realize, like, I worked in hip hop car culture, that was what I did before this. I worked at a magazine called Rides, which was, like, the competitor for, like, DUB back in the day. And it's like sp- I was there when, like, the Sprewells first dropped, and like, that w- and like- Even if you thought they were dumb, there was still something kinda badass about it.

Like, there was technology behind, there were floaters- Floaters ... sploders- Yeah. Yeah, spinners. Yeah, sploders. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, like, you could think they were dumb until the first time somebody rolled up on you- Yeah ... and either was floating at 60 miles- Yeah ... an hour next to you, or was spinning stopped, like- So cool

like, on, like, like, in Miami on, like, what was that? Like, Collins or whatever. Like, car would roll up and just the wheels are still spinning, and you're like, "All right, [01:30:00] that's pretty cool." That's cool. Yeah. Yeah, like I never got to, I don't think, I've only seen, like, one car have spinners, like, my whole life.

Wow. Like, I swear. What? Yeah, and that's what I'm saying. Like, I feel like- That's crazy. Yeah, I, I really want- Wow ... my, as sp- I'm speaking for my generation now. I think spinners need to come back, for sure. Hell yeah. And just- Yeah ... make them cool. I'm not against that. You know? I'll bring, I, I would love to bring spinners back.

Imagine drifting with a floater. So you're going through a corner- Yeah ... tire smoke, but the face stays- Yeah ... right there ... I think that just adds just another factor to the car scene. I mean, some, some guys have done it. I've seen a few, but, like, no one's jumped into it. Yeah. When we were, when, when Wheelpros had bought Hoonigan, I was trying to convince them, like, dub wheels should come back- Oh, yeah 17s and 18s- Mm-hmm

and 19s and spinners, but the designs, like just steal the designs from Motegi. Yeah. Like, like literally just take like Japanese style designs, but make 'em spin. Yeah. You know? Yeah. That would be great. I mean, if you pull up to a car meet, any car meet these days, and you got spinners on, you're for sure, like gonna be one of the talking points.

And all the attention. What are you, what are you see- Yeah, for [01:31:00] sure ... what are you seeing spinners on right now? Like s- not like necessarily- He's not seeing them. He's not seeing them. At all? Yeah, I, I mean, like I would put them on like- Yeah, on the internet ... not like slammed cars, but you know, like nice show cars that you would see at like, like the convention shows, but I mean, I don't really like convention shows 'cause they're just inside, but.

See, I think spinners on drift cars would be fantastic. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I would love that, I agree. 'Cause I think visually it just creates such a look. Like, I don't even know how they activate when you're popping clutch or some- anything like that. I don't know. I don't know if they just fly off. I don't know.

But- I pitched it to Ken once and he just looked at me. See, like maybe- Yo, yeah ... he was just like- Yeah ... 'cause he, that's the next generation. Yeah, yeah. That generation- I mean, me and him technically are both Gen X, but he's closer to boomer, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, but he gets a little different, but- Oh, God.

Yeah. Whoa. What? It's true. That's, that's crazy talk. I mean, I guess I, I get you're a millennial. Yeah. What, are you Gen Z technically? I mean, I was born in '98. I have no idea what that means. That's crazy. Same. 27. I don't, I had o- was on my way to, I was already in college, but sure. Yeah. I mean, I have some people- You could literally be my son.

Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. An old man. [01:32:00] Yeah, I think spinners should come back, though. Like I, if there's one thing you take away from this podcast, someone, let's listen to this. Of all the things we've talked about. But I will rep s- s- like they, yeah, they gotta look nice, obviously. They can't be like- Yeah, yeah

trash spinners. But if someone could do it, like I'll wildly rock it. The tech is, the tech is there. Yeah, the tech is definitely there. It's been there. Yeah, so I... That's one thing I think car culture is missing as far as aesthetics on car. Spinners. Like yeah, we need spinners back, for sure. Underglow can back, we need spinners back.

This is amazing. This is like the equivalent of subway takes on cars. Like, this is a hot take and I'm, I 100% agree. Yeah, yeah. That's a good one. A hot take, spinners need a big comeback. Yes. What car would you run spinners on, of your own collection? You got a- FDRX7 probably. Y- I think it would look best on that.

I have a video. The Lancia would look- I'll send it, I'll send it to you guys ... the Lancia would be like, would be weird. The Lancia, though it would be weird because they're 15s, and I think a spinner that small would just be like, it'd be like one of those, like hats- ... with the fucking, you know- Yeah, yeah, yeah

the, the whirligig. Yeah. Like, what are you doing? What are you doing? Um- I think JDM cars, like the JDM classics with spinners. Yeah, [01:33:00] on the, the FD. FD on spinners would, would have some, yeah. FD and C5 on spinners are what I see right now. I'd run my D2 S8 on spinners. Mm. I've secretly wanted to put underglow on that car because I'm eventually gonna put it on air- Mm.

Mm-hmm ... and run it on 20s. Mm. And something about, like, really big body, so it's a big body Audi S8. Yeah. Like, something about big body cars slammed to the floor glowing is just kinda- Pretty sick, huh? Like, that VIP spec- That's dope. That's dope. Yeah, yeah ... is just kinda cool. Always appreciate it. Yeah, yeah.

Man, spinners. All right, yeah. I would love to see it. I, I'm shocked that it hasn't happened yet. 'Cause- Let one of us know, whoever's listening, like- You got it ... 'cause, like, that, I, I think you kinda answered it, but I'm curious if you have any other thoughts on it, but, like, with social media right now and what's getting attention and what's next and, like, what are you looking at, like, I don't know, what's your relationship with social and how do you one-up what you've been doing before?

Or do you even care? Oh, man. I mean, I- I just like cars. I think I got just ... People really like my [01:34:00] photos and just- Yeah ... I kind of gain traction from, on social media because of that. But, I mean- And I think you might have answered it before a little bit too, but like it's, for you now, because at your young age, you've seen a lot.

Yeah. You've seen so many more cars than either of us saw at that age. Like, every supercar, every hypercar, every RS, whatever. So is now, like, the rarest of the rare, that's the next big thing for you? Yeah, like I really wanna shoot a Hennessey, like a Hennessey F5. Uh- Mm. Zinger, they're, they're based in Long Beach aren't they?

Mm-hmm. Uh, I wanna shoot one of those out in the wild. A Zinger, like with a CZ? Yeah. Or a Singer? Oh, okay. C- CZ. CZ. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And, uh, yeah, just cars like that. Like, I'm gonna go to Japan at the end of the year. I wanna shoot, like, I definitely know there's gonna be like Valkyrie. Uh, I think the F50 GT was at Car Week.

I n- I never even- Mm ... got to see that car. That's sick. Like, just stuff, uni- true unicorns. Mm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like one of five CLK [01:35:00] GTR. Luckily I've, I've taken photos of one of them. I'm going to the, I'm going to The Idler race with RWB this year. You should come. Let me know. It's in August. Let me know. What ti- what, uh, part of August, 'cause I might be at Car Week.

I don't know. Back ha- back half of August, I think. Okay. Yeah. Let me know. I'm down. I've actually never been to Japan, which is weird. Whoa. Wait, wait, wait, wait. That's crazy. Wait, wait. Now, this isn't the, what we're talking about now. Yeah. You have to go to Japan, not only for the drifting, but I mean, man, like, Japan is heaven for car culture.

Yo, if Scotto comes back a JDM dude- Yes ... that would be, wait, no, actually, that would be insufferable. But, but, but you know that, like, I don't dislike JDM cars. No, I know. I know. I know. I just don't fit in many. Oh, right. Oh, right. 'Cause trust me, the other day I was talking to Vinny about trading him my Ferrari for his new GTR.

Mm. Oh. Yeah, 'cause I was like, I, I- The R33? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. With a little, with a little cash on top. Yeah, yeah. But like, but like an R33 on a Regamasters, like, that's like- I love ... a perfect car for me. Like, I love- Yeah, yeah. 'Cause remember when we had that R33, [01:36:00] I drove that to Vegas, and I was like, oh yeah, this is like finally a car I fit in.

Amazing highway car. I just don't f- like other than like- Yeah. Yeah ... Evos and Subarus, like- Mm ... like his FDRX7, like I have no idea how Kaizo fits in that. Like I do not fit in- Custom seat. Yeah, I do not fit- Yeah. Insane ... in like most J cars. So bec- it's not that I don't like them, it's just like when you don't fit in them, I'm like, eh.

Yeah, that makes sense. You would just appreciate, I think, the culture and- No, no, the culture is amazing ... yeah, all of that. Yeah. And the reason I never went was because I always worked at a, I always worked with a group of people where other people appreciated it more. So when I was at Zero to 60, it was like the guys who were more into that, I sent, I was like, "You take this trip."

And then when I was, you know, when we were at Hoonigan, it was like, okay, like, Hert, you should go here. Uh-huh. You should go, you know, like, because I was like, I'll take the Germany trip, you know, stuff like that. Oh, okay. You'll also be an automatic celebrity there. Just because of my height? 'Cause everybody's gonna think you're a, yeah, you're a basketball player.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got some more questions for us? Man, um, the generations meet Let me think. I asked you the main question was about the, the inflation of car prices. Mm. That, that I just wanted to confirm it. It's, it's really, it- it's something [01:37:00] that's really unfortunate. Like, I, I see it, and I actually...

We've, we've asked this question on the pod before is like even just new cars, like what is the new enthusiast car? Yeah. That other than the GT86- Mm-hmm ... there's very few things out there that are affordable and fun to drive. Yeah. Where- The other thing I... Oh, go ahead Were the enthusiast cars that were brand new on sale, like, affordable?

Sure Or was it... Yeah, if you could- Yeah, because, like, it, I mean, obviously front-wheel drive cars were a lot cooler during our era. Oh. But so you've got, like, the Civic, you know. Oh. We didn't get the Type R, but we got the Si, the Volkswagen GTI. Like, these were all, all these cars were like- I guess it's true

sub $30,000. Yeah, 'cause I, I got, uh, in 2005 my first- Integra ... new car was a Subaru WRX. I, I got it new. I leased it because- Yeah, I mean ... that's the monthly payment I could afford. But still, like, yeah, back then- What was that new, 32 or something? 27. Oh. Or 26. Yeah. Mine was 26. And, like, yeah, I worked really hard.

[01:38:00] Like, I, I did valet parking, like, six days a week in the summer to be able to afford that, but it was, like, I could do that. Yeah. You know? Mm. Like, I don't know, like, what job at that age you can run now and get, like, you know. I think a problem that we might see in the future is, like, there's a lot of, there's gonna be a lot of young people that wanna get into these enthusiast cars, and who knows how expensive they'll be.

Yeah. I'll, I'll tell you another thing that I think, um, like shifted the whole perspective of it is- I, I don't remember seeing Lamborghinis out in the wild. Mm. Oh. Like, that just wasn't a thing. I do. Well, I mean, yeah. You, but you know what I'm saying? Like, when, when I was, like in the late '90s and early 2000s, like it was really special to see something like that.

Yeah. Nine, like the amount of GT3 RSs running around- Right now ... right now in the streets of California- Yeah ... is crazy. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy, and like that car is hundreds of thousands of dollars, and I think like, [01:39:00] and we weren't paying attention to that as a kid. I think you were looking at things that felt like more in reach.

You're talking about things like Supras and stuff like that. It's like they were f- they weren't affordable, but they weren't hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, like the ceiling really raised up as to like what became car culture, and look, there were always the kids who- Yeah ... pined over the Enzo, but, and the, the McLaren.

But like the McLaren F1, like didn't hit a million dollars until like 2005. Yeah. Right? Like the- Yeah ... and that was the most expensive car in the world to us. Yeah. I'm sure there was some bullshit classic fucking steampunk thing that people paid a lot of money for, but to what mattered to us that wasn't much, the Enzo was like a $300,000 car.

Yeah, and that's crazy 'cause they go for like up to 5, 7 million now. I know. And it's like what the heck? Yeah, that's, that's, um, yeah. And you know, so it's like though we didn't, I, I think it wasn't just that there were no low price cars. It's like we, I don't really remember feeling like the community as a whole was reaching for these big things.

Like, you could just have a really [01:40:00] cool Civic, a really cool GTI- Yeah ... and you re- you felt like you were part of the community. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Where like now it's like everybody wants a GT3 RS, and guess what? Not everyone can have a GT3 RS. Yeah, and if you don't have one it's like, oh, whatever. It's, it's like the first- Yeah

like you hit mega success on YouTube- Yeah. Yeah ... and you get a 3 RS. Yeah. Here's, here's one. How much do you think I paid for my 911? I'll give you the stats on it. I bought it in 2010. It had 33,000 miles on it. It had, it was all original. Um, it had aftermarket turbo twists on it, but it had, the one fender had been repainted, but otherwise great car.

What year was, is your- It was a 1991 turbo. Bro, if you paid, I mean- Just 2010, you'd probably pay like 20, 30 grand? 35, 35 grand. It's a turbo. 35, yeah. It's a turbo. Oh, okay, okay, okay. It's a turbo. 35 grand. Yeah, yeah. So- That, I would say, I know where the market's gone. Like, bro- Like, when, when he was buying that thing, all of us in the office at the magazine we were working [01:41:00] at were like, "Bro, just buy an Evo X.

What are you gonna do with an old 911? Like, that's whack." And he's like, "I don't know. I just kinda like it. It's like a natural progression." We're like, "All right." Like, "Yeah, it's cool, but like 35 grand for a '91? You're crazy." Whoa. Yeah. And now you're like, "I'll put it down for a down payment for a large house."

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Easily. Yeah. Easily. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, so all of it has like really, really explo- And, and- 2010 I feel like was the takeoff even ... you know, and, uh, 2010 was a big one, but for me also COVID- Yeah ... changed so much in that, like For us, having one cool car was sick. If somebody had two cool cars, like an S2000 and an STI, it's like, "Yo, what do you do for a living?"

Yeah. "Yo, that's crazy." Oh, wow. Like, that's nuts. It's not what you do for a living, it's like you sell drugs? Yeah, you sell drugs. And then all of a sudden, like, and myself included, like, COVID happened and everybody had five [01:42:00] cars, and some of them were projects and some of them were cool, but all of a sudden, like, everyone you know has a collection, and it went nuts.

Everybody started buying cars left and right. Wow. And like that shifted a lot of things. Like, all of a sudden everybody's like, "Yeah, let's, let's just keep buying like cool used cars and build them up and tune them and everything." I, I think that goes... It's weird. It goes hand in hand 'cause I think the populate, the popular...

People are starting to like cars more, right? Yeah, true. Like, car, car culture as a whole is getting, going up, so there are more people in the space and maybe that includes some people with more money than others that just got into it late and just wanna, you know, like- Yeah ... I need this car, it's my dream car now, 40 grand for, for like another car that's like worth, like, $1.

So there's a piece of that because you have this older audience that has disposable income and they're buying up that stuff. You also have that the cars, cars have become the new art to the rich, and art- Mm ... the reason why, the reason why rich, the rich buy art is because it's not taxable as easily. So I could buy my car for [01:43:00] 35 grand, and then I can go sell it for $300,000, right?

And I don't have to pay capital gains on it. Oh. I mean, technically you probably are supposed to pay tackle, capital gains, but there's no tracking system- Yeah ... it's not like there is in art. So like if, if, if you made that much in stocks, like you just, it's automatically filed. You have to pay that tax.

Yeah. So if you were, if you were sitting here today and you said, "Okay, I've got, you know, $100,000 I want to invest in," right? Do I wanna put it into, you know, whatever, fucking this stock, that stock, right? You know, SpaceX, right? Um, or do I wanna put it into cars? And if you really had a good, you know, a good idea of like, hey, well, this is probably what's gonna be worth something in 10 years, the upside to the car thing is that you'll probably get away paying no taxes on it.

Oh, wow. I never looked at it like that. Yeah. You're gonna, you're gonna pay a capital gains, which is a large percentage tax- Yeah ... on any other money you make. So a lot of people now are investing in cars. The other thing- Bruh. I need to look into that ... and this is way shadier, a [01:44:00] lot of people launder money through cars.

Mm-hmm. So like they're l- they're cleaning their money through buying cars overpriced and moving them around. Yeah. So like that's a whole- Or under, and it was like engine blown, whatever, and then fixed it and then move it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. So like there's... So a, a lot of people have realized that. And then the other part is, is they've just become a dick measuring contest for rich people.

Yeah. I mean, it's like- Yeah, to, to a certain extent it's like- But it's like collecting Pokemon ... you know. Yeah, it's like cl- yeah, yeah, or like sneaker culture. Yeah. It's like I just want it all- That makes sense ... you know? Yeah. So- Yeah ... you know, there's, there's that. And I, as someone who loves the hobby, wants to see more younger and younger kids get into it, um, like I was stoked to hear you say you got into it from video games.

Yeah. Because there was a period of time when the Prius was really cool, and that's all anyone talked about, that everyone kept asking me, you know, "What's the future of cars?" Like, people don't like cars anymore. Oh, really? Huh. Yeah. I mean, there was this stat about how, uh young kids were no longer getting their driver's license, right, when they turned [01:45:00] 16 or 17, and that was, like, this really upsetting stat in the industry.

And I said, "They're all just playing video games." Yeah. "Like, don't worry, they're there." Oh, they will get there. Like, we- Yeah ... like, we know they're there. Like, they're playing Forza, they're playing Gran Turismo- Mm-hmm ... they're playing Midnight Club. Like- Yeah ... like, they're there- Yeah ... and they're gonna get there.

And, uh, and I, and I think that really is true. Like, I think, 'cause you look at the cars that are cool today, it's like a lot of those cars became cool 'cause you played them in video games. Yeah, yeah. Oh, for sure. That's true. I'm glad Forza Horizon 6 just came out, and now, like, Japan- Have you played it? I, I have only watched people play it.

I've never played it yet. Mm. Oh. Which, you know, I should soon. But, uh, I mean, I've played Gran Turismo a lot. Yeah. I love Gran Turismo. It's dope. I, that, that could be the Midnight Club for the next generation, you know? It could be. That, that setting- Yeah ... that setting the new, the new set of enthusiasts. Yeah, I think it, I think Hor- Forza Horizon, uh, did a good job on releasing Japan and- Mm

doing, doing what they're doing right now at a good time- Mm ... because, I mean, yeah, Japanese car culture is w- like no other. Like, uh, you can't even relate yet, but maybe in August we can. I mean, I've seen it all, but [01:46:00] not up close and personal. Yeah. I've done the research, but yeah. If y- the feeling you get is just like- I know

whoa, like I... You gotta go. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. What other questions do we have on the generational conflict? Okay, here's a good one. Um, can you explain to us why you guys like burble tune? There's no one that'll... I mean, m- maybe it was a stage, but I- Don't tell me there's no one- ... 'cause I motherfucking drove by like six seconds ago.

I could hear it. I think when you're in a car, 'cause like, you know, when I first got in the, to the, the M3- Yeah ... man, like I, I l- I just love the way it sounds and like the loudness- You're just dieseling everywhere. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like the downshifts, all that stuff. Maybe it's a phase, like someone who maybe gets their- Do you like it?

I don't personally. Like, I- Did you ever? Mm. No? Be real, be real. I like, I like two-step, I like anti-lag, like I like- Okay, so that's the next question. Yeah. Because like you got, like that's definitely... I don't know, like we all revved our cars, but I feel like s- two-step and two-step competitions and like that being a reason to get together is huge.

And I [01:47:00] will f- first admit- Yeah ... that I have reached an age where, like, I think concerts are too loud. So- Oh. So clearly I'm already- Damn ... I'm already in a place where I'm like, "It, this concert would be way better if it was just a little bit lower." But yeah. Yeah, I'm far from that. This is what you got, this is what you gotta look forward to, man, 'cause I was the kid who used to be at punk shows getting his ears blown out, so.

But- Oof ... um, what, you know, like for you, like the two-step thing, like what's w- like explain it. Like why, why do you love that? I think... Okay, so when you're doing- 'Cause I feel like that's a bit of the thing ... when you're doing a burble tune it's just like pops and it's just noise, right? Yeah. But when you're listening and actually next to a car that's full on two-stepping, spitting flames, you actually feel it in your body.

Mm. Yeah. It's just a, like, one of the loudest things you'll ever hear, and it's like- I know ... you don't hear that every day. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, sure. So I'll explain it, and I, I'm having a little bit of a moment here too listening to, like, how your car world was shaped by Midnight Club. Mine was shaped by Gran Turismo.

I realize [01:48:00] why I'm such a fucking nerd about cars, 'cause to me everything was, like, handling and specs and spring rates and damping and all that. Yeah, yeah. Um, for us burble tune sucked because it's not real. Yeah. It's fake. That too. It's engineered. You have to tune it in, whereas if he drives that RWB around, it pops and bangs, and it burbles because it's got a really stupid old cam in it that it has no other choice.

Yeah. There's fuel going in, and it's exploding. Like, that's real. Yeah. That's legit. Yeah. Where it's not somebody like, "Yo, 150 bucks, I'll tune you in, you know, like, a little..." It, it's just natural, and for us it's, it's a poser thing. On a, on a previous show we referred to it as stolen valor. Um- It is stolen valor pops and bangs.

Yeah. 'Cause, like, if you have a car that actually does it 'cause it does the thing- Yeah ... then that's fine. But if you tune it in and, like, I didn't even know this was a thing, but ghost cams. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Where they tune it in to sound like you have- Oh, yeah ... a cam in your car. Yeah, it sounds, like, [01:49:00] lopey.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, th- they, even the Evo 9, like, when they put MIVEC in the Evos, the variable cam timing, it took away the lope of a big cam. Mm. And so I asked my tuner 'cause, like- Again, it was Hoonigan. Yeah. I was like, you know- He's like, "I'm guilty" ... I gotta, I gotta impress Zac, you know? I gotta show him how a four cylinder can chop, and my tuner looked at me and he's like, "I'm not doing that."

How dare you? He's like, "Do you know how stupid your timing table has to look for that to happen?" He's like, "I'm not doing it." I was like, "Okay" You know why he's not doing that? 'Cause at some point you're gonna bring that tune to someone else. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Someone's gonna open that and go- For sure ... "Who tuned this?"

"Who tuned this?" Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's funny because, uh, my first car was a H- Honda Accord daily. I still daily it to this day, and, you know, I'm ex- I'm an experienced car guy now. Like, I've seen a lot. Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, I know the difference between a verbal tune and a r- Yeah ... actual car that does that.

Yeah. But when you're getting into it, you just are like, "I want my car to sound [01:50:00] like this," and you just go get it. You just, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I'm saying? For sure. For sure. Yeah, yeah. So when my Honda, I was like, I just want it to be louder, and then so this random muffler shop was like, "Oh, we got you."

Yeah. Just cut the mufflers- Ah, dude ... straight piped the Honda. Yeah, it's still happening. I mean, we all do it. It's still happening. No, yeah, it's, I think it's, that's a part of it. That is a, that is a, a, a time tested tradition- Yeah ... handed down from the cavemen to us. Yeah. It would be- Cutting off your exhaust.

Cutting off- Yes. Yeah ... installing, like- Fuck yeah ... you know, the Mustang boys put in cherry pipes- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ... and, like, all those kind of things. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I think it's just a part of, like, just experiencing what it, what's cool, what isn't. For sure. You don't know. You're just like, "I like cars."

It's your first car. "I'm going to-" Like, you're not gonna drop, you know, 500 bucks on a muffler, like, but you want that sound. You want something. I love my loud cars. N- That 911's pretty loud. Yeah. Like, it's... it, and it's especially loud on the, like, on the chip. Yeah. Um, this thing's loud. Um, my Nova is, like, unfortunate.

Yeah, yeah. Like, it is really, really loud. It's hilarious. All of them I think deserve to be loud. Um, I find that as I get older, though, like, [01:51:00] those cars take a lot of energy for me to drive. Yeah, yeah. Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, like sometimes I just wanna just, I just wanna go somewhere. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And, like, the RS2 is the perfect amount of lo- loud for me. Mm. And by the way, I probably shouldn't say this, but that car is straight piped. Mm. So it's like, yeah, I don't want it to be straight piped, but that's how I got it. But the turbo quiets it down a lot. But the turbo quiets it down a lot. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. That's cool. But it has that good sound to it. Mm-hmm. You know? I actually, I need to install cats on it 'cause it just smells really bad. Mm. And, like, I just don't care about that anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, "This is not cool to me." Yeah. You know? I've, like, lost the interest in that. Like, I get it and I understand it, but it's definitely something that I, I think is, like, this major divide between the generations.

Like, the older guys are like, "These guys doing two step competitions, this just sucks. Ra, ra, ra, ra, ra." I can stand in your shoes and be like, "Nah, this is fucking cool." Yeah. Yeah. And I get it. Yeah. Like, I used to just sit on... I would love doing burnouts just on the rev limiter- Yeah ... in my front-wheel drive car.

Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. With your homies holding it back by the mirror. Just like ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, ba. Yeah. Yeah, it's like that's just fucking cool. Yeah, it's just fun. Yeah. I totally, I totally get that, but it's a question we had to ask. I know, I know people- And again, this is me [01:52:00] representing the, the, the old head delegation.

No, I know some people get... They just get annoyed when they see kids all pull their phones out and run towards a car that's doing the two-step, but for them- Yeah ... it's like new. Like, they, they probably have only seen that- They're experiencing it for the first time in person ... yeah, yeah, for the first time.

You got to remember. Yeah. I mean, I remember when I first saw two-step ever, like, uh... Well, first I saw on the internet, and I was like, "I got to go to a meet just to see this." And then seeing it in person, it was crazier in person, 'cause you could feel it. Right. And so I'm pretty sure these, these new people- You do feel it in the chest

or kids that are- Oh, for sure ... it is definitely an experience. For sure. Now, those, it gets to a certain extent, I feel like having a loud car, you have power. Like, you know, if you have a loud car, you g- go to a meet, you rev it once or twice. Yeah. Everyone starts talking about it like, "Yo, this car is super loud."

But if you're revving the whole meet, you become the- You become annoying real quick ... the most annoying person, so. There's an Overton window- Yeah ... of revving. Yes, yes. I believe, like, with the five revs and a couple pops, bro, chilling at least until the end of the meet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I support that. I fully support that.

Yeah. Absolutely. I fully support that. Especially if it [01:53:00] sounds good. Yeah, yeah. If it's a VQ, eh, go off. Maybe one or two revs. Okay, Matt, you're good. Can I tell you like a signature move I enjoyed as a kid rolling into a spot? Is you coming in, pop a rev, then you turn the ignition off and roll into the spot.

Oh, the, the- Ooh. ... the drag racer? Yeah, the, like- The drag racer stuff? ... ignition off on the rev up. Yeah. Probably horrible for engines. Oh, absolutely terrible. But man, did that sound cool. Like, that was like, that was like... And then, like, you just rolled in just quiet. Yeah, and everyone's like whispering, "Oh, shit."

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, that's why I, with the, the Evo 9 was, like, uh, evolved noise for me, 'cause I had a sequential. Mm. Mm. And crazy diffs, so I would roll up to a meet, and, like, the exhaust, it w- it was loud, but the transmission was louder than the exhaust. So like, you know, you would stop, and someone would pull forward, and you'd ka-chink, vroom, yeah, yeah, mm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Deet. And everybody's like, "Whoa." Yeah. I'm like, "All right, yeah, that's kind of sick." I will say, like, I think one of the coolest noises in a car is a good transmission [01:54:00] whine. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But the ultimate noise in a car ultimate, like the noise that if I hear, I'm like, I, the pneumatic shift. Oh, interesting.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, if you have a car that has a tsch, like that- Yeah, yeah, yeah ... pneumatic shift. Yeah. Because that's like, that's real race car shift. Mm. Yeah, yeah. And I respect your commitment to the game to drive that on the street. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I, yeah, I could see that.

And you don't hear it often. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, obviously all of Ken's car- That's a very specific car ... a lot of Ken's cars have the pneumatic shift, and that just- But now you got guys driving cup cars on the street. I know. Oh, yeah. And, and like the 991 plus cup cars all have the kts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Got out front of trust.

That is just wild. All, like, and that's, that's like a whole thing now too, is like let's just get race cars and put them into the street. Yeah. TJ Hunt was on and- That's the next level ... he was talking about that the whole time. Like, that, that's what I was kinda getting at with the social media question, is like what's next?

I think it, it, yeah, I think race cars on the road is- Like the whole race cars, race cars on the street is a thing ... I, that's definitely like a newer thing I've personally s- been seeing, like I- Yeah ... I don't remember seeing that like often at all, and now it's becoming a little more common, which I'm [01:55:00] all about.

Yeah. And I hope cops know that, you know? I mean- Well, it used to be let's make my street car look like a race car on the road. Yeah. I was a big fan of that, still am. And then it became, nah, let's just actually take race cars- Yeah ... and plate them and drive them on the road. Also a big fan of that. Yeah. Like I'm, uh, I think- Dude, you wanna talk about being tired after driving a car?

Oh. Like if I took my Evo to the canyons, and on the drive back, no AC, the sun is beating down, all carbon doors, so you're just huffing epoxy, and then like transmission noise, and diffs, and like everything's hard mounted so the gear stick is like, you know? Like it's, it takes everything out of you. Yeah.

Everything. You need a, you need a nap after, but it's sick. Yeah, driving the Z, I, I definitely can relate, 'cause after a track day I'm like, "Oh my God, that was insane. I could be good without drifting for a couple days." The Z, that's your- And then it'll come back ... that's your drift car. Oh yeah, we talked about it before.

Yeah, yeah. Is it, um, do you drive to and from the track? No, I, I have a trailer there. You do? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, dang. Oh, wow. It's, it's, it's not your [01:56:00] typical- Oh, right ... it's not your typical Z. It's, it's a LS1 swapped, and- Oh, I've seen pictures ... yeah, I don't know, pipes- You got exhaust out the- Yeah, coming out the hood

out the hatch. And I mean, it's just really, really loud, and then even the shifter and stuff is pretty cool. Where do you go mostly? Apple Valley? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I mean, there's not many places these days, but eventually, like, hopefully with some of the meets I throw, I can, you know, drift in other areas as well.

We'll see. Hmm. What's next for you out there after this? What are you doing? Like, meaning, like, do you see drifting being where you're putting all the focus in? You still doing as much photography, or you kinda- I still do a lot of photography. I think just right now I'm focused more on the events and sharing what I've built from my photography with other people.

So it's, it's cool, 'cause now photographers are kind of getting their light a little bit, 'cause we know car, cars from every culture, like, just anything we're interested in. So over my time of shooting, I just have met a lot of friends, you know? After I shoot a car, we usually go out to dinner or something, and then I tell them, [01:57:00] "Oh, I'm doing a car meet.

You should come." Like- Hmm. That's cool ... show off your whip. So that just accumulates over time And yeah, now there's just a bunch of different types of cars there, and photographers, like Larry, he, he did a huge meet for Formula Drift. Yeah. Like, probably one of the biggest meets- His meets have been going crazy

ever. Yeah, and because I've, I've seen a good amount of cars now, I wanna bring those cars that I've shot to new people who are getting into cars. Mm. And that's why I do the meets is 'cause maybe you haven't seen this certain car, and I might have shot it before. And I've had people comment, like, "Yo, could you bring this car to this meet, the, the next meet?"

Oh, that's cool. And then I'm like, yeah, I, I was like- 'Cause you want other people to feel that feeling. Yeah, like, and- That's really cool ... like, I'm calling my meets photo meets because you come, photographers and car enthusiasts can come and- Hmm ... yeah, you just take photos of cars, photo, car meet, photo meet, you know?

That makes sense. Yeah. I like that. So I- That's really interesting 'cause, like, car meets for us back in the day were just a way to meet with other people that had the same type of car as you, so you could talk about, like, what parts you got, what'd you do on this, [01:58:00] what'd you do on that, whereas what you're putting together sounds more like you're putting together a car meet for the spectators- Yes

more so. Yes. I, I- That's crazy. Yeah, there's a lot of people, like, I mean, and unfortunately, cars are getting more expensive and- Mm-hmm ... like, if you can't afford a certain car yet, you could at least see this rare car in person, like, with a bunch of other cars that you might have never seen before, you know?

Like, I, I'll bring a lowrider and put that next to a hypercar and- Mm ... you know, certain people like that, some pr- certain people like this other thing. Yeah, I love that. Yeah. So it gets people talking as well and, you know, you find enthusiasts that, everyone likes cars, but you just, you know? Yeah. You start opening your eye a little more to a certain type of car you might have never even thought of if you pull up.

Have you ever been to, like, a, like, I don't even know if, I think Whittier still does, have you ever been to, like, a- The lowrider cruise nights? Like, cruise nights? Yeah. Yes, yes. Yeah. That is something that you need to figure out how to bring back to car culture. Mm, mm. I, I give you that one as a task. Okay.

'Cause that- Hmm ... we had, in New York, we had DPA, we had Francis Lewis [01:59:00] Boulevard, and, like, I don't know, man, some of the greatest nights were just cruising with your friends. Yeah. Like- Yeah ... there's something about it 'cause it's like a car show, but you're driving. Yeah. You know? It's like you just keep looping.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you get to see everybody because, like, you know, one car's going this way, and then you make the U-turn, and you kinda- Come back, yeah ... and there's so- I mean, and obviously there's, you know, bad shit that happens too during that. Yeah. But, like, I've always wanted to figure out, like, how can you, we find a place where we could do, like, legal cruising and, like, just set that up?

Yeah. And I mean, honestly, the closest thing, there's this event, it would actually be, I think you would love going to it, is the Woodward Dream Cruise in Detroit. Mm. Oh. I don't know how long it is anymore, but they used to do, it used to be, like, a 26-mile cruise. So it's, it's like a parade in a way. Yeah, but I mean, thousands and thousands.

It's mostly muscle cars, but- Just seeing all that out, it was just so, like you're just driving for hours and it's just super cool. What's that area by s- under Sixth Street Bridge? A lot of people are opening up car shops there right now. Oh, the- You know what I'm talking about? They're calling it Car District.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm thinking, so you've got like, [02:00:00] um- Yeah ... Big Time's over there. Lean Customs. Uh, Lean Custom's over there. Yep. Motorunion- Mm-hmm ... is over there. They're definitely trying to start another wave of, like the cruise nights. You, I mean, they're- That's cool. It's a street and like they, it seems really, really cool.

Like, I know they're still renovating in the area. Yeah. But they see the vision, and I see it, too. Like, uh, they're lining up all car shops, and then people are just parking there and hanging out. That's really interesting. Yeah, it's a cool spot. It is a really dope thing that they're- Yeah ... they're doing over there, and I know a couple other people who've actually just rented space over there.

Yeah. Um, there's more and more car stuff moving in there, which is really rad. Um, it's funny 'cause original Hoonigan was, like, not that far from there. We- Wow ... we, we started over there, and back then there was nothing there. Nothing at all, yeah. Um, in downtown, it was just really super sketchy. Yeah. The thing that's weird for me, though, is, like, driving to downtown sucks.

It is my least- Yeah. It's so rough. I know. Yeah ... favorite place in all of LA to have to drive to. Yeah. The traffic is always trash, and the roads are trash. Yeah. Yeah, I've just now realized that, like, with that car. But it works. It is pretty crazy. But, like, I mean, that's one of the reasons that Hoonigan moved to Long Beach, was it was just [02:01:00] easier to get to for, like- Yeah

car culture. We would d- we would throw events, and people would be like, "Yeah, lost my oil pan on the way here." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the E30 homies, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man. But I mean, like, even, like, like Era Picture, like they're up over that area, too. Mm-hmm. Not in there, but like real close. Yeah, there is kind of a...

I, I didn't really think about that. Downtown, downtown's like- But you're right, it's got a groundswell going on- Yeah ... of car enthusiasts. Yeah, it's really cool. Yeah. It's cool to see. Which would never be the place I would imagine. Like, yeah, Downtown LA. No, but it never is. It never is. It's, it's where, like, shop spaces start becoming affordable, just like cars.

You know? Like, oh, the cool people are like, "Oh, I can't afford, like, a huge space in, you know, Long Beach or, you know, like, especially up any... Santa Monica, forget it." But DTLA, big warehouse space is available. Yeah. Looks kind of cool. There's a cool vibe. Yeah, let's do it. Let's get it. And, uh, you're seeing that happen.

Yeah, it's really awesome. So I, I look forward to the future for that area. Like, I think- Hmm ... as long as no one misbehaves, like, too much over there, I think, uh, there's a lot of potential. Yeah, no, it looks [02:02:00] quite... I mean, I've seen it, but I haven't been up there for an event, but I mean, I know the area really well, 'cause, uh, Fantasy Factory used to be over there.

But, um- And Gym7 filming- Yeah, yeah ... like, right around Magnus's. We were, we were, we were blocks away from there. Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. But, um, but, like, all the photos that come out of there is cool. And I think they also do a really good job of, like... It's also a very eclectic mix. Yeah. Which is something, like, we always tried to do back in the day, was like, how do you get exactly lowriders next to drift cars?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You know? Like, all the, the Lowrider crew in Long Beach used to always hang out at our shop. Yeah, yeah. You know, which was- So cool ... which was... And I, like, that's a culture, like, in and of itself that, like, is just so unique and different. Oh, and I love lowrider culture. I, I, I, I live right by Eldorado Park, and every couple Sundays- Oh, yeah, they do, they do.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they go crazy. Yo, this last Sunday was nuts. Like, I just parked up, and I just watched. And, like, some of the guys, they haul ass on, like- Oh, yeah ... 13-inch wheels. Yeah. And it's crazy- Low on spokes ... crazy to see. But it's, like, the, the variety you see in there, it's such an alien culture to me, but, like, the [02:03:00] detail that they have on the ch- on the frame rail- Yeah

underneath that you wouldn't see unless there was a mirror, like, that's so sick. Yeah, I think low- And the paint and everything ... lowrider culture is such an interesting c- car culture itself because- It's all style ... they, it's all style, and they're not really on the internet, you know what I mean? It's like- Like, they are, but they, they're not, like- It is all style- Yeah

but, like, there's actually, their performance is in the way- Poppers ... you work the switches. Yeah, yeah, that's true. That's true. Like, that is its own skill. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not easy. It's not just, like, pushing a button. Like- You're right ... that rhythm and all of that. Like, I learned that- And, and the equipment.

Yeah, like, you know Lloyd. Oh, you and Lloyd. Like, ri- I, I would go ride with Lloyd. And, like, man, like, you hit the switches, like, oh, I felt like I was getting thrown out of the car. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But there, but you can total a car doing it the wrong way. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You see the springs pop out and show up there if you- Yeah, 'cause, like, if you, if you, if you pop it up and then the wheels are sucked in, and it lands all the way down, like- A foreign.

Yeah, it's like landing with no suspension ... dude, struts through the... Yeah. The, the, I will say this is a really interesting thing, and I've thought this. One of my favorite things about raising my son in Long Beach, 'cause, like, as [02:04:00] a New Yorker, it feels really weird to, like, realize that, like, I'm raising a child who's not a New Yorker.

Yeah. Right? Like, he's a Long Beach kid. One of my favorite things about raising him here is to him lowriders are normal. Oh. Whoa, that's sick. Do you know what I'm saying? That's pretty rare. He sees, he sees them all the time. That's amazing. Like, they hang out at the park here. Like, we- Yeah ... see them cruising down Atlantic.

Like, like, we always just see lowriders. Like, it's not even a... Like, in the beginning, he'd be like, "Oh, Daddy, look a lowrider," 'cause I point out. But now it's just like, yeah, there's- Everywhere. Yeah ... like, yeah, cool, there's a Broham next to us on three wheels. Like- It's so universal here, you know ... it's so crazy.

And it's like, and I love that 'cause as a New Yor- as a kid in New York, I used to read Lowrider, um, Magazine as a kid, and Lowrider Bicycle Magazine. And I just, I wanted to, like, understand the culture so much more, 'cause it just seemed so different- Yeah ... and so unique, you know? You know what, though? It, it's a really interesting thing.

You look at lowrider culture, and, like, we're talking about, well, no one's making, like, raw performance cars, whatever. Yo, l- there hasn't been a lowrider made since, like, the '90s- Yeah ... at the [02:05:00] very latest. And that's, like, really stretching it. Like bubble, like- Yeah ... the Lincolns and everything. But really, it's, like- Yeah

'50s, '60s, '70s. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And, like- You had the early Bombs, then you obviously had the 6.3, the 6.4 Impala- Yeah ... were the classics, and yeah. And then there's a bunch of '70s cars and '80s cars. And that, and that culture is still, like, out here, it's still thrived out. Yeah. Yeah, it is. It is. And, and it's like I see more of them than I've ever seen, I feel like.

Yeah. Yeah. So that's cool. Maybe, maybe we got that to look forward to. I also think the thing that lowrider culture does really well, that I think has actually fallen apart in regular car culture, and maybe it's because they're not as heavy social push for them- Yeah. Mm ... is the car club and community supports each other- Mm

in a really strong way. Yeah. So- Yeah ... you, everybody helps each other build a car. Yeah. Like, the, the car club will get together to get a car built and pushed out for a new event, and that's how car culture felt to me in the '90s, right? Mm. Like, my buddy Jay Slacks building a car for, for H2O, and it's like all of us are at his house for, like, three weeks before, like, working on it every night to get [02:06:00] it there.

That feels like that's changed a bit. Mm-hmm. Like, that doesn't feel... Maybe, maybe it's different. Maybe you could tell me that that still does exist. I mean, I'm- I wanna hear it still does ... I'm just getting into building cars- Mm ... fixing, working on cars. Right. Like, I've, I'm, uh, at the end of the day, a photographer getting into the actual deep, like, parts of cars- Yeah, that's cool

rather than looks, so. I mean, right now, I mean, you definitely need a community of friends that know what they're doing, I feel like, because of how complicated cars have gotten. Mm. It's low-key a privilege to find someone that knows how to work on a certain car. Mm. And you wanna keep that person close, I think just because, at least in drift culture, like, you know, when you break something, you wanna make sure you get it done and fixed correctly again so you can go back out.

And, like, if it's done c- incorrectly, then you're, like, out until you find someone that knows how to work on it, or you do it yourself. So, um, I think it's still there, but it's not like everyone's doing it now, for sure. Mm. Like, I feel like most people would wanna pay a shop instead because of how modern cars are and how complicated they are, you know?

All right. I got one, I [02:07:00] got one last generational question, but anyone got any other ones before I hit it? Go for it. Okay. Look around the room, three car, what's your three-car solution? I don't believe a two-car solution exists. I actually think it's really a four car, but we'll go, we'll, we'll let it go with a three-car solution.

So three-car solution, like, these are the only three cars you have. You can have whatever you want. Okay. But you get, what do you, what do you, what are your three cars? Three-car solution for me is a super fun weekend car, I guess what most people call it. Name it. What is it? What's the, what's the car? That, that would be...

God I want a race car, a weekend car, and a, a daily that you're comfortable in. Right. So I guess the r- the weekend car would be, like, a gated Murcielago. Hmm. Doesn't have to be LP 640, but I think- Sick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. I was thinking- Yeah, it's great ... I think in the weekend, you know, upward doors. Yeah, what, what, what color?

Um, I think I would do, like, candy apple red. Hmm. Silver wheels, maybe some spinners on there. Yeah. Yeah. Yo, spinners- Yeah ... on the Murci. [02:08:00] Yeah, spin, spin, roll up, you're still spinning, doors go up. Oh, man. You're, you're- This is why you have- That's sick ... 10% female following you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's actually... Yep. We've answered it. Yeah, we've answered it. It took this long. That's what... That's honestly- Yeah ... the only reason we brought you on the show. We're trying to up our stats. Oh, God. I, I'm, I'm starting- And then 10% is like ... to realize, like, dude, this is so... Oh, God. Wait, d- did you name all yours?

No, he just did Murcielago. Oh, just the... Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's it. Oh, my gosh. He dropped the mic on the first one. Yeah, yeah. Then race car, I mean, bro, uh, I mean, I- it would probably be some type of drift car, like maybe a S15 street build. You know, like- Mm-hmm ... go into the touge, you know. Hmm. Just normal drive.

Mm-hmm. And then as a daily, that's probably the hardest one because I would still wanna... I wouldn't wanna get into a big car, or at least how I am right now, I don't wanna get into a big car- Mm-hmm ... and just chill. Like, I wanna still drive. Yeah. So man, uh- Yeah, that, that, the, the daily car is the hardest one.

I, I would probably just [02:09:00] say a Honda Accord. Yeah, nice. To be low-key. Keep it humble. Be low-key. Honestly, that would, that lineup would look sick in a driveway. Yeah. Like what do you daily? Oh, yeah, just- What you got, Ron? All right, so I'm, I'm starting to realize, like, this generational thing is super real, 'cause everybody harps on millennials as like, you know, millennial gray, like everything's super minimalist, whatever.

Well, isn't it now millennial green? You guys got really excited- Yeah, yeah ... and added a little tone to it. Green's, you know, for- forest green's fucking sick. Don't even come at me with that. But it is, yeah. We're, we're getting typecast for that. So my lineup is very similar in purpose, completely different in the actual cars.

So- Fire ... a daily driver, a race car, and a weekend car, right? Okay. Daily driver, Land Cruiser 200 series. I could talk for two hours about that alone. Do you go off-roading? 'Cause I've never been off-roading. I haven't in a long time. I want to badly. When I lived in Utah, every single weekend. Okay. Every single weekend.

Um, here not so much, 'cause it's just trails are blown out, they're [02:10:00] further away. I see. Like, and it's all like desert- Just like tracks? Yeah. Don't let him be too jaded. Off-roading is still really sick in California- It's amazing in California ... compared to a lot of other places. It's amazing in California.

Okay, okay. I- it's just, like, it's- You just, in Utah it's like ideal. It's like it's perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, okay, okay. Um, so the Land Cruiser 200 series. It tows, it's got a forever service life, like whatever. Um, race car is, I actually have it right now, a Evo VI, like, rally car, fully built. Like, long travel suspension, sequential- Nice

like all the stuff. Like, I, I've, I've acquired that dream car that's, like, amazing to me. Fire. Congrats. And if I went beyond that, it would probably be like, um, uh, like a 2005, like, Subaru WRC car or something like that, like old school. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, and then the fun weekend car, 996 GT2. Ooh. I think the 996 is- I like the 996.

I like, I like the, I like it. That's an interesting choice. I like that. In yellow. It's bo- oh, yellow makes it. Ye- like, [02:11:00] the minute you say 996 and then you say yellow- Yeah ... or red- Yeah ... I'm in. Yeah, the 996 GT2, I, every time I've ever seen one of those I'm like The front bumper is so good. It's such a savage car, like way overpowered, but you could do like a long weekend trip and also tear it up in a canyon.

Like, that's- Oh, yeah ... a perfect car for me. Shout out Midnight Club II again for- Uh, the final boss of Paris was a yellow 996. Wait, no way. Yes. I didn't actually know that. Yes. That's sick. Yeah, so sick. Oh, there you go. Yeah. All right. Gold 996, but yeah. All right, uh- I can't wait to hear yours ... mine are my own cars.

Oh, yeah? Yeah. Sick. Weekend car, 911. Okay. Uh, daily RS2, and like my utility vehicle would be my, my lifted 4x4 Econoline van. I knew it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He, this man- My, my van, my van makes 700 horsepower, so it's like So you guys have both, uh, like- It, it, it works. Yeah. He loves his diesel van. Oh. [02:12:00] Maybe more than- No.

No, I, it's, it, it's, I like, it's not here right now, but it's, uh, it's, it's a, it's a special van. It's got, like, a full built engine. This guy's J and K, and it's got a 4x4. Yeah. Like, it's up on, what, I have 35s on there. Oh, wow. Um, yeah. It's like, it's weird, but I really enjoy it. I also really enjoy smoking people who don't think they're gonna get smoked with the van.

Oh, yeah. That's the cool part. Yeah, 'cause it's big. Yeah. Like, my kid calls it the monster van. We call it the church van with two Us. Um, and, uh, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's a good one. I once smoked Larry Chen. I only- I was waiting, I was waiting. I knew you had to come out. Yeah, yeah. I, I only say it so we can cut to the footage.

Yeah. This becomes a joke on the pod, 'cause everybody knows it. He wrecked Larry's Turbo. Oof. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, Larry. 997. Yeah, yeah. That's cool. So you both have bigger cars as, like, your, your day-to-day car. Oh, for sure. Yeah, 'cause I- Trucks, vans. Like, yeah, even though the van to me wouldn't be my daily. The van's kinda like my, my other car at that point.

Mm. 'Cause I, I actually, I actually think a four-car solution's the right one. Mm. Which is, [02:13:00] like... And it actually wouldn't be the van. I think the four-car solution- Daily, utility, race car, weekend car ... yeah, yeah, y- I actually think what you need is a, a Raptor. Like, I think everybody needs a Raptor- I could get down with that

in a four-car solution, even though I don't own one. But, like, the Raptor is, like, f- pretty fun to drive, but you can also drive it to your friend's wedding. Oh, yeah. Right? Mm-hmm. So, like, you need that car that can do the other things, and then you get your race car, your project car, and your, you know, your whatever, right?

Yeah. Like, that, then you get all of that. But I also think that you need a fun car that you can drive every day, because race cars and project cars often don't run. Oh, yeah. And you need that car that just keeps you happy, and that's what the RS 2 is for me. Oh, okay. Like, it's like, I just enjoy driving it, but it's like, it's not that crazy.

Yeah, I'm just getting into cars, like, now actually in two cars, so, uh- Yeah ... I think my opinions will change a little bit ... meaning owning cars. Yeah, yeah. I think, I think as you, as you get on in your car journey- Yeah ... you'll realize how [02:14:00] important it is to have, like, a truck, whether it's an SUV or a pickup or whatever.

Like, it changes your world of, like, what you could do, the parts you can grab, like, all that kind of stuff. The marketplace finds you can get when you're like- Yeah ... "I got a truck, I'll be there in an hour." Yeah, and then you find out what your truck kink is, you know? Like, do you like really off-roady type stuff?

Like, for me, like, if you look up the Instagram, one of my favorite grams on the planet, Cruisers of War. Ooh. Like, Special Forces and the United Nations and NATO, like, they all get Land Cruisers in bulk, and they send them into war zones 'cause they know it'll come right back out. Like, sick. Ooh. But you could, you could have your own thing, you know?

Like- Okay. Yeah. Scotto's got a big diesel. I haven't got there yet, but I will definitely update you guys on my journey. We have any other generational questions? We got it- Are, are we wrapping this one? Hmm. I, I probably have a ton, but I think, I think we're in a good spot. Yeah. We could refresh, come back.

Like, I- We've learned a lot- Yeah ... and at the same time, I feel like we got more common ground than I thought. Yeah, I know. This is that moment where we realize that. Until the [02:15:00] comments hit and everyone's like- Yeah ... "Chads, you don't speak for me." Yeah, we'll see what they say, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm kind of nervous about it, but hopefully not.

But also, like, we're, we're not... Like, I'm not, I'm not- I don't speak- ... I'm not the millennial committee- Yeah ... and you're not the old man committee, you know? Uh-huh. 'Cause, like, you- I'm getting close to the old man committee, but yeah ... you, you talk to, like, you know, Matt Farah and, and Johnny Lieberman, like, they know all the supercars.

They know all the everything. They'll talk every last speck of every single- But that's because they're journalists. Right, right, right. And I knew all that stuff when I was a journalist, too. Yeah, that's true. Because when you're a journalist, the sexiest thing is the new hypercar to talk about. Yeah. It's what everyone gets excited about.

Yeah, true. But I think the minute I got out of journalism, I stopped caring about supercars- Hmm ... which says a lot. So you think for the most part, like, people your age just, like, they for- they don't know what most- Probably ... new supercars are? I think just like the generation before me and the generation before that, um, my generation right now is excited about nostalgia cars.

Hmm. Because it's like- Yeah ... you're at that age. You're like- Yeah ... I wanna buy the car that I wish I had when I was 25. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think, you know, that's what's really interesting. Absolutely. And you [02:16:00] said it, like Brian Henderson has all this super cool stuff, but- He's building a Mark II car And he's- Because it's-

mad excited about it But, and he's mad excited about it Oh. Yeah. 'Cause I think that, that, like, it brings you back to a certain moment. Yeah, it definitely does. And then I think, you know, there's certain cars that, like, you know, everyone has their own style or whatever, you know, where you're like, "Yeah, I want a cool fast car," but it's also

And this is where I'm not that person- Mm-hmm ... but that's, like, also convenient to my lifestyle. Sure. Right? Like, I can understand why so many people like the Audi RS6. Mm. I mean, that car is just gorgeous looking. 'Cause it looks sick. Yeah. It does all the things. It's really fast. It's really good. Sounds great.

It's not exactly the, what I like in an Audi, because it's really big. I mean, it's basically- ... a slammed Q8. It also looks good. Okay, I'm not gonna s- Wow. I'm not gonna cap right now. I think I would switch the Honda Accord to RS6. There we go. All right. There we go. I mean, that is a strong d- that is a really strong candidate.

Amazing daily. Yeah, amazing daily. I, I have said that if I had to only own one car, even though ... It would be the RS6. Like, i- if I [02:17:00] had to own one- Yeah ... like, that would probably be it. Mm. That's the one do it all. If I couldn't modify a car. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, if I just had to own a stock, one stock car, like, that's, that's probably it.

That's it? The brand new M5 wagon's also pretty good-looking. It is. I don't know. I, it had just came out, but- They look good ... I mean, they, they- They're, they weigh- They look really good ... they weigh more than a lot of SUVs. Oh, so probably still RS6 then, yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. I mean, the weight isn't everything, but.

I think they perform well, but yeah. Yeah. From what I've heard, it's, it's a truck. Well, Chazy, it was really nice having you on. This was really enjoyable. I have a lot of hope for the next generation, and, uh- Let's go ... I really hope you- I do, too ... I really hope you figure out, like, a good skid pad in LA, a good place for people to go hang out, 'cause it's just such a good part of the car culture, and it's a bummer that it's kinda disappearing for- Yeah

for the younger gen, so. Two shout-outs. Uh, I hope that ... Well, not two shout-outs, but I hope if s- any CHP officer is listening, I hope you are listening closely because we, I feel like as a car culture, we do not agree with where takeovers have gone, and we all just like sliding [02:18:00] cars, too. Also, uh, yeah, thank you to the people my age that have listened, and hopefully-

I am speaking, like, with all you guys, so. Uh, I mean, I know my- Yeah ... I know my own demographics, and as much as I joke that, like, it's an old man show, uh, your demo's actually a larger size listener than my demo. Oh. So there you go. That's cool. Let's get it. Yeah. There you go. Wu-Tangs for the kids. Yo. He's like, "Who's Wu-Tang?"

Ah, on that note. We out. Bye. I mean, Method Man's, like, kinda old now. Yeah. Well, yeah.

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But when I finally did step up and get some proper coilovers, I went for KWs and never looked back. I've been running their stuff for over two decades now, in everything from my 911 to my RS2. I even have a custom set in my Land Rover Discovery. And yes, that bloody thing does finally run. Anyway, because of my long history with them, I am very excited to announce KW as the newest partner in this whole podcast syndicate thing I'm building.

Anyway, check 'em out, [02:21:00] kwsuspensions.com.